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[ "i am proud of it okay this is our final meeting the detailed design meeting and again i will take minutes the what we have to get through in this meeting is firstly the prototype presentation from you 2 so you can show us what you have been working on so diligently yeah then it does look very cool then cat is going to present the evaluation criteria that we are going to be evaluating this against then i need to say some saint a few things about finance cause we have to check that it is within the finance criteria and then we will be making sure that our product fits both the evaluation criteria from cat and the financial limits and then we will have a brief evaluation of the whole process of production and design that we have been through so we have got 40 minutes and then do we get to make a remote control s cause we missed out yeah so it is now i guess that we are supposed to start at 1535 so we have got until 4 15 huh is that right how how much do we have 40 minutes yeah about 415 yeah yeah until about 415 yeah yeah so yeah okay so go for it do you want so you said are are we starting with the the so will you maybe start with like the the shape and things and and then i will explain the the user interface th things yes presentation okay like the buttons and the scrolling things and okay so basically going with our trend of vegetables and we selected the color and approximate shape of banana you think bananas are a safe thing to use it is a bit phallic yeah well but it is it is just an a approximation dual use perfect yeah dual use perfect 0 your remote control 0 that is just bad does it vibrate when you press the buttons so basically it is the it is the flip open thing again sorry sorry so now we we have the okay so ma maarika will explain you the user interface there and it flips open on the side so it opens like that and we have the user interface 0 in here and the the l c d and and the scroll are inside wow well everything else is probably user interface so yeah yeah yeah and it is the whole thing is made of rubber is that 0 yeah rubber yeah it has yeah yeah is it to scale or do you think you can make it a bit smaller it could be made a bit smaller and and of course it would be and yeah yeah but one thing we actually kind of forgot while designing that one side was supposed to be rounder so we said the back side round yeah yeah well but i since it is made of rubber anyway i i think it is it is yeah it l does look like the curvy and then the whole shape is curvy so i would say that this curvy does look quite like a vegetable yeah yeah yeah and it is spongy as well i was not very keen on that but yeah so so the user interface as as we discussed last time on on the on the cover we just have the very basic things huh so we have that n channels here starting from 123 there would be numbers in in the on the actual one yeah so it is 4 up to 4 up to 7 up to 9 and 0 z 0 here 6789 i like that yeah and then well this is on off button it is it is quite standard place for it and and also the color is quite often red so it is it is kind of user friendly yeah and then these ones would be for flipping the channels back and like the previous one and the next one huh and and we would also have a l little thing saying here previous and ne prevon prevon next so where is the volume yeah the volume is is scrolling on the side this one it is on the side ah you did get that in then yeah you just do it like this and and and it is it is on the back is cover or back lid because if you flip it open you can still do the scrolling here 0 okay see so the volume is you just scroll but then once you flip it open okay there there you have the screen and and you have the spinning wheel with options to choose yeah you can move back and forth and then if you need to m choose something on the screen you just push the cen the middle button cool 0 the thing we forgot was like a mute button no we we would not put so on on the cover we have the the bare essentials a mute button yeah well we will have this on the screen on the display y or you could have it so you on the wheel if you on the wheel like if you hold the wheel down then it will mute on the l c d we r you know the main menu will have various options well but the but the mute yeah the scrolling is kind of you have to scroll all the way to make it mute right but if you hold it in if it is a scroll and click so you hold it in yeah but it is a scroll and click is not it okay yeah okay okay cool so that that solves the whole mute issue yeah and okay so i so the the voice recognition is also just part of it you can not really see it in the interface no yeah it is hidden in there somewhere yeah and we do have the logo on it as well very good so i think it and it is with the the black and yellow you are even in the right colors yeah yeah i think we could do l the logo in gray as it is on the website cool yeah we ran out of resources here so in the actual one yeah so if you have questions you can have a look very good let us have a look test it out it is a sort of intermediate color i guess yeah 0 we hold the remote 0 but it it does feel all cold and slimy i hate play do it is just minging but yeah that is cool cool very good okay so maybe if we go on to evaluation cri criteria and then we will there i suspect we are going to have a couple of minor finance issues okay yeah see the budget but we will se i am sure we can get around them somehow we will just send all of our manufacturing to some nice poor country and cut some of the prices that way wales wales for example cool okay right okay fabulous yeah marketing expert okay cool so what we are going to do is prefer prepare the evaluation of the new design so we are going to be using a 7 point scale so one is you know yes it totally meets with that requirement and 7 is no it really does not we need to go back and start again you know basically what i did was i went through all the like user requirements and things that we have done and we have worked on and like made a list of them you know so that we can evaluate each one and like so it was about going back to the start and saying 0 yeah we did manage to do that or 0 no we really forgot about that yeah okay cool so these are what they are 0 so for each of these we need to give it a one to 7 is that right yes i did have a b c and d down here but it seems to have turned into like just bullet points dots never mind okay but if you can imagine that they say a b c and d then that would be really good i guess we will give it maximum points in everything yeah the yeah it is definitely attractive yeah i agree 0 the locatable thing we actually forgot well i thought we would kinda said that you would have a little thing to stick on the t v yeah yeah just prepare one now shall i just prepare it now yeah it will be red too cool okay so be attractive to look at that is this one what do you all say s 7 was th the maximum yeah so i reckon it yeah yeah i i go for 7 7 yeah it is terribly sexy 0 we are all so proud of the yes yeah okay so that will be a 7 for a could 0 no you can not whilst that is up there okay what i have done on the next page is i have set it up so we just put the marks in ah okay okay excellent except we can not we can if we then yeah i will take a note it is fine yeah but that is alright but we can we can i can i can take note if you take a note of them and then i will put them in in a minute okay so we are all agreeing on 7 for a yeah cool okay does it match the operating behavior of the user i would think yes yeah the the only thing that we were considering was that this thing is kind of more for right handed people than for left handed people i think it does yeah i mean so if you are left handed you are kind of left scrolling with your finger yeah so y so we we might do we might want to do like a another m model another another version alright which is like exactly the mirror image of this one yeah but that is going to be a problem cause you do not always have all left handers or all right handers in a family but then yeah yeah yeah so bu it is it is not a huge problem because i i it is operatable i th i think it is not it is not like it is a pen but then then i think left handed people are already used to discrimination anyway so they just yeah yeah but i mean because it is not like it is a pen you know left handed people can not normally write right handed yeah but they can normally do most things right handed so i would say it is not such a big issue yeah right yeah because i mean anyway right handed people would be able to scroll with it so i if the majority are right handed it is yeah yeah yeah i mean you can you can use your finger to to scroll rather than your thumb yeah yep so i mean that does kind of negate the whole r s i issue so maybe we need to put that needs a little bit of investigation maybe give it a 5 i would say what do you what do you all think 6 or maybe 6 because it is just 11 i one among the issues i mean yeah i think i think for i mean most people are right handed so in in terms of our greatest target group yeah i think it is pretty good but we might want to flag it for management they want might want to yeah one more thing is that i okay it might be a little clumsy when when it opens up right so it opens on the side they no yeah but but we have it nicely with the hinges here yeah so yeah yeah yeah i mean yeah so it will not be a problem it will be and it will be it will not be heavy yeah yeah so you guys can decide wh whether yeah oops i th i think the alternative is flipping from the top yeah well yeah but it is it is a bit long yeah but we which makes it kind of really big yeah the length is going to be difficu it is a little bit long well i mean it can be opened like this of course and yeah yeah but you were thinking about making it smaller yeah this this kind of makes it more and 2 it might interfere with the i r channel because s slightly smaller so you have to keep that side flat yeah but if we flip it open only as much as that okay so it works like a mobile phone flipping but y you know as long as that side is flat than that will work right okay okay okay so c are are we admitting defeat on c or are we saying we are going to stick a locator on the t v no we are going to put it like we have got th there is the locator dot no we have a locator there is a locator cool so that means you need a that does mean you need a little speaker on it though does not it that you stick on t v to make it beep yeah well w but l but the speak sample speaker is included yeah or a buzzer yeah so it it has some capacity to to do some to make some sounds so yeah okay yeah so that is 2 so that is 7 yeah it is locatable yep fabulous d intuitive completely intuitive yeah if if this means intuitive if it means the way people kind of are used to finding things and it is i th i think it is yeah i would say 6 cause the i mean the the standard layout for numbers is 333 and one rather than the way you have got it i really like the way you have it but it is not the immediate thing that you are used to yeah intuitive yeah and i mean d so and even the scroll it is a it is a new technology so m m might be a little more difficult for people to get used to in the beginni so it is kind of not very intuitive but it is a good technology might be but it and it is something that they will be experiencing in a lot of different places soon i mean once they get used to it yeah yeah so should we maybe say f a 5 and say it is intuitive but it is different so l 5 so do you know i mean it is obvious how to use it but you might have to think about it 1st yeah so we give that one a 5 you think yeah okay i am happy with 5 yep i am going to give a 7 in everything so yeah yeah i am glad you are accepting this it has taken a little while has not it intuitive but sorry it is really hard to write on those i just went a bit mad did not i okay cool e okay i would guess this comes back from this whole b thing links in here so possibly for left handed investigate yep but otherwise it is superb so should we give it a 6 6 6 the ergonom ergonomic design well i mean i d i dunno i mean the the repetitive stress things yeah but then who would be really pushing the buttons so much on the on the remote control anyway yeah yeah yeah unless you are a all the time sitting see yeah so it is kinda yeah well we have banned them from yeah i i think it is ergonomic i used to send 50 texts a day you know and i never got repetitive strain injury from that yeah so i find it quite hard to believe to be honest yeah and moreover it it has l c d and everything so that you know we minimize the pressing of the buttons anyway yeah yeah it is varied yeah okay so we give that a 6 yeah 6 okay f yeah it does have yeah absolutely voice control have 7 hang on how come it is showing up with the things there but it only had bullet points there that is just ah that is the 2nd one so you must have changed it on this one where it has got score but not on the previous slide 0 okay cool right so so it has voice control yes so that is a 7 then yep cool g technologically innovative anyway it ha yeah it is the most sophisticated remote that i ever seen technologi well but in terms of the actual technology none of it is actually new yeah well we have we have the sample speaker as well which is yeah it is kind of new yeah yeah but i mean you do not all of the components have been used in other things before but at the same time they are all they are all relatively new yeah but they have been brought together in a remote they are never been used i they have never been using remote remote control before i do not think but do yeah yeah yeah what do you reckon 56 yeah what do you all think 6 6 yeah i mean how how far can you go with a remote control really yeah well that is it i mean it still has to do what i what it has to do yeah but i mean everything has been used in space before it gets to anyone else really has not it so i do not think many peop space remote that is it they can take it with them put fashion in electronics absolutely yeah is not it fashionable yeah sure the carrot banana remote it is the maximum fashion so we give it 7 and we write fruit fruit and vegetables are fashionable these days so there we go so i think we have done very well but i think that is a cool very good what is the assessment yeah so we need the average here so we got the average is about 6 and something yeah one a little bit over 6 7 or a 7 there are how many 6s no wait a little bit under 6 so we have got 47s so that is 2836s 18 123 no wait 3 and 15 036s okay yeah 5112345678 okay 2838 fo 46 47s 46 and 551 6 point about 65 51 divided by 6 point something yeah 234 65 yeah 78 close enough okay that is pretty good i think now wait until we get to finance and then we will see if we can afford it that is all you have got at the moment or did you have anything more no that is it yeah that is it alright so finance and we will see if we can unscrew this 1st cool there we go sorry this is i am just there we go and there are the marks beautiful yeah not anymore computer no signal i guess it will have to wait for a bit adjusting there we go okay so we have looked at the prototype presentation and the evaluation criteria and now we have to calculate the production costs so i have got an excel spreadsheet to help us do that can you read that almost more or less i started filling it in but of course these are provisional so we have to go down no hand dynamo right yeah yeah one simple battery no kinetic energy no solar the chip we are going for an advanced chip on print advanced yeah we also said the sample sensor and sample speaker yep single curved surface so that we can fold it yeah yes case material we said rubber rubber yep i do not know what special color means anything i think which is not more i think something colored yeah probably so i think this is probably special co no it could be yeah yeah but rubber comes colored does not it rub rubber comes colored it is i would maybe it is like if you want titanium colored or wood colored it is different you know yeah or maybe maybe if you want some kind of pattern thing on it yeah yeah okay yeah let us leave it as 0 cause it is easy yeah yeah you might end up having to take off the we we are definitely going to have to so we have got pushbutton and then we have we have pushbuttons sample sensor scro we have scroll wheel as well scroll wheel with pushbutton we had no s for the muting s yeah yeah we had for muting yeah no we we have yeah yeah and we have l c display and yeah and button supplements no no we do not have we are not using any of that no no yeah but what do we ha we have l c display but but the wh but the s spinning wheel but the the spinning wheel is not there i have think maybe it is integrated with the l c display yeah okay let us yeah we have got more than one pushbutton though have not we i think the pushbutton 0 cause then you have i do not know if that is one that means you can only have 25 push buttons in total does not it not counting anything we would still be in budget yeah that seems unlikely push what whether whether pushbutton means that p count by button or do we i do not think that makes sense huh wh wh what is the limit 125 we have to count all of them or yeah i do not think so no no well it does not but it no it says what what is the kind of interface if it is pushbutton then you got a 05 no it is a scroll wheel so we we have put it is pushbutton and scroll wheel and l c d display so that is that is the 3 kind of interfaces that we have yeah yeah and l c display yeah yeah so as we can see that is way too expensive down here wh wh what is our criteria this sample sensor our budget is 125 okay yeah the sample sensor will have to go cause that is the most expensive thing on there yeah so that has implications though for the it does not have for voice recognition but it does have for the feedback speaker when you say when you press one it says one or it says hello yeah for the locator but that is a bit of a gimmick anyway really is not it yeah and the locator also goes away we can afford to get rid of it but it was very no innovative innovativeness yeah so that means no locator does it well yeah i mean does what else does it need well the speaker the sample speaker is is expensive but we could just have some some very very easy device that just beeps yeah cause the sample speaker was i think more complicated then just a beeping thing this would be yeah yeah yeah there you record your samples your speech samples and yeah yeah yeah okay so we a also i in the case i am not sure that you will evaluate this as a curved surface because it is just rubber so it is probably a flat surface rubber i mean yeah huh okay yeah right so we need 150 off see i was going to say the scroll wheel pushbutton thing cause take it down to just a scroll wheel we could do so tha that mean that we cannot press how do we how do we make a selection in in the l c d yeah then then we would be in the b budget if in the l c d we can scroll right but how do we make a selection if we d cannot push the button yeah b no no you can push this one but we do not have a pushbutton we ca we do not have this muting mechanism for this scrolling thing but that is well you would just have to to spin it down yeah you can have to scroll it straight r roll it straight down for for mute so that is 3 no w w w but ha it is it is the scroll wheel and i thought we were referring to this as a scroll spinning wheel and pushbutton thing but i mean we can put an additional mute button on the top as well if you yeah i mean that would not actually cost any more that is the spin wheel though is not it did not that come with the l c that is with the l c that comes with the l c d yeah we decided cause it is not on our list yeah 0 so so the the this is the scroll wheel is on the side so we are adding costs for right okay i mean i think this is good so s so we are 3 over we are 3 over at the moment it is nothing n unless we just take off the scroll wheel altogether and just have pushbuttons for the volume could b still put them on the side but yeah yeah i have i mean the scroll wheel is pretty cool but instead of scrolling here we have 2 buttons here up for up and down yeah yeah on the side yeah it sounds good actually yeah okay yeah rather than having 3 different things that people have to do okay there we go 0 look we are way under budget and we will make huge profits and we will all get bonuses yeah well we could admit to the single curve could not we or or that we have to have some sort of special color yeah but so that is alright we we will leave it at that and then i will take i can send it back to management and say we were not quite sure about the color yeah if that costs extra then we have still got some space for it yeah we have yeah yeah yeah excellent alright so did we lose on our evaluation criteria as a result of doing that no no i do not think so not really no because we keep all the features we keep voice recognition we keep l c d display yeah we instead of having scrolling we we just push the buttons yeah we just got rid of a gimmick that was never anyway yeah yeah and the scroll wheel is i mean essentially the 2 buttons that was it is not a great difference i do not think yeah yeah alright then but we lose the locator well we are going to have a beeping thing really we are going to have a beep so instead of speaker but yeah it is it is not like sample speaker but it will just beep so we still have the locate yeah yeah kay cool that is not a very exciting color i think you should make it more vegetable like tha which color the the color of the phone or the color of the 0 the the beeper thing but it can be yellow as well it it can come in the same color as the the case cause we we will not have run out of our pot of play doh yeah i think jen wants it to vibrate yeah i know i know my pen vibrates you know your pen vibrates yeah but only for a very short time okay so looks like we have designed a banana well done team we need we have just got about 10 minutes or so left of the meeting so it would be good if we could just have a little talk about the project itself and how it went so that we can feed back to the management for next time they are designing a product i think it cool feedback ideas yeah as far as creativity is concerned yeah i think there was there was room for creativity the only the only problem being that at the end we had to cut some things down because of the the budget we had i think n one thing that was lacking was that we did not know what the various things cost to begin with yeah we kap kept a adding things randomly yeah so had we known if we would had that sheet at the beginning should have been like okay yeah that or not yeah so we can have that lot let us just throw it together and do what we can yeah yeah yeah yeah so d all the random decisions at the end could have been prevented yeah but in terms of the process of going and working individually and then coming back to a meeting that that worked in terms of yeah i think cause the meetings were so regular you know it was not like we were alone for very long so you did not saint go off and think would not it be great to have a vibrating remote control shaped like a banana banana and then you know come back 3 days later and jen is going look look it vibrates and it looks like a banana yeah yeah so yeah yeah the m the means were very very good the means we used the whiteboard digital pens and the pens i like the pens we like the pens i want one that would just be so cool to d do all your notes and s yeah you could take it to lectures and just write stuff down and have it printed out when you got back to the office yeah yeah yeah that is it is it is i wonder what one of these costs yeah yeah they great do you think they would notice if one went i do not think you should say that was the recording 0 okay okay cover up the microphone alright let us take it yep shh yep okay but that worked well having having a whiteboard that we could draw on as well as having the powerpoint cause the i find that the problem with powerpoint often is that it is so static and you can not change it once you are in there yep it is a bit limiting is not it yeah yeah yeah yeah and and and this time also the time limits but actually preparing the yeah the thing flew in you did not have the whole whooshing thing cause there was not time for that so yeah yeah yeah that is alright that always irritates me anyway yeah not that you can do that on the board either we could make some little but yeah but i mean already just just preparing the slides before before the meeting yeah yeah totally i mean that was fairly tight anyway i mean especially with that last minute alteration yeah yeah yeah back it this is just had to be changed and yeah so cool yeah are we supposed to say nice things about jen now and presumably you do not you can say nasty things as well yeah i was i was satisfied with with the leadership yeah i have no stake in it yeah definitely yeah you were not like a a dictating leader so that was always good you have to say that cause i am taking the notes i will leave the room and you can have another go i know you have got the pen you might attack me with it better than that than the banana and then the teamwork i think i think it worked quite quite nicely yeah i think it worked quite well yeah yeah did anyone feel that they were getting sort of covered up and not being able to say their bit to express them no i guess it was a fairly small group so all of us got to express our opinions yeah yeah yeah new ideas found not quite sure what about well it is it is it is pretty new pretty novel solution for a for a remote control really all this flipping open thing and yeah yeah i do not know i do not go shopping for remote controls that often maybe somebody is already though of it yeah neither neither do i but i have never seen anything and and none of my examples were was was like this actually so yeah yeah i will be looking out next time i need to write an essay yeah that is right that looks boring i will see if anyone is made a remote control yeah maybe w maybe we could have a patent on this one yeah yeah yeah patent patent patent banana remote i think we would like to think the ideas were new but we have got no way of finding out yeah or you can always go to google and type in banana remote control that vibrates flip vibrate yeah but that would just come up with like other things really would not it and yeah nothing that you really want true yeah okay so costs are within budget well within budget including a little what have we got yes yes one left over for bits that we did not foresee we have evaluated yes the project you have got the scores and it is fabulous can you put that in the project documents file it is in the project documents it is in there already and the process wheel did not really have any major problems with were there any was there anything that you found difficult or anything that did not go as smoothly as you would hope and my main difficulty was the the time pressure yeah otherwise it is it is all fine yeah yeah sometimes it is like a little bit rushed i thought that was good though because if you are given too much time then you got nothing to do with your time and yeah yeah yeah yeah although we could have made the r s better had we had 5 more minute yeah okay then i think we are still well within our yeah we have got like 5 minutes left time we have got about 5 minutes left but if we have finished then we have finished yeah we are just too too efficient and you should never drag a meeting on just because you have extra time we certainly are yeah yeah yes so i would say that is the end of that meeting yeah it was a pleasure working with you thank you team kay yeah same here it was very productive day and we could draw animals on the board again no no i do not think so you can make some animals i do not like play doh no 0 you do not like anim it is just minging it smells so bad it does not it does smells quite nice smells very sweet right so we have to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary when they send it was there a questionnaire already sent i do not know if it is already sent or not no it has not been presumably i have to do we have to go back into the other room or can we stay in here now i do not see why you can not stay here really okay so the other way did i save this one production costs i made your animal for you it was supposed to be pink yeah that is the one but it was blue on the board" ]

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[ "proud of it okay this is our final meeting the detailed design meeting and again i will take minutes what we have to get through in this meeting is firstly the prototype presentation for youtube so you can show us what you have been working on so diligently then kat is going to present the evaluation criteria that we are going to evaluating this against then i need to say a few things about finance because we have to check that it is within the finance criteria and then we will be making sure that our product fits both the evaluation criteria from kat and financial limits and then we will have a brief evaluation of the whole process of production and design that we have been through so we have got 40 minutes and then did we get to make the because we missed out so it is now i guess that was supposed to start at 1535 so we have got until 4 how much do we have yeah about 415 yeah until about 415 so yeah go for it do you want so are we starting with a yes so will you maybe start with like the shape and things and then i will explain the they use the interface and things like the buttons and the scroll okay okay so basically going with our trend of vegetables and we selected the color and approximate shape of banana you think bananas are the same thing to use is a bit phallic well but it is just an approximation dual use perfect 0 you will make control 0 that is just bad does it vibrate when you press the bar sorry sorry so basically it is the flip open thing again so we have the okay marika would explain you the user interface there and it flips open on the side so it opens like that and we have the user interface in here and the lcd and the scroller inside well everything else is probably a good interface and the whole thing is made of rubber rubber yeah it is is it just made or do you think you make it a bit smaller it could be made a bit smaller and of course it will be shiny and yeah but one thing we actually kind of forgot while designing it one side was supposed to be rounder so is it the back side round but since it is made of rubber anyway i think it is it does look like the front is like curvy and then the whole shape is curvy so i would say that it is curvy it looks quite like a vegetable yeah and it is spongy as well i was not very keen on that so the user interface as we discussed last time on the cover we just have the very basic things we have the channels here starting from 13 3000 we have the cover 123 there would be numbers on the actual one so it is 4 up to 4 up to 7 up to 9 and 0 i love that yeah and then well this is on off button it is quite standard place for it and also the color is quite often red so it is kind of user friendly and then these ones would be for flipping the canals back in like the previous one and the next one and we would also have a little things saying here previous and preven next so where is the volume the volume is scrolling on the side 0 you did get that you just do it like this and and it is it is on the back cover or back lead because if you flip it open you can still do the scrolling here so the volume is you just scroll but then once you flip it open there they have the screen and and you have the spinning wheel with options to choose can move back and forth and then if you need to choose something on the screen you just push the middle button cool 0 the thing we forgot was like a mute button a mute button yeah we will not put that in the screen on the display so on the cover we have the bare essentials on the wheel if you hold the wheel down then it will on the lcd you know the main menu will have very options but the scrolling is kind of you have to scroll all the way to make it mute right to make it mute right but if you are it is a scroll and click is not it it is a scroll and click so you have it okay okay yeah and okay so the voice recognition is also just part of it you can not really see it in facebook yeah it is hidden in there and we do have the logo very good and it is with the black and yellow and you are even in the right covering yeah safe action i think we could do the logo in gray as it is on the website we are done out of resources here yeah so if you have a question there let us have a test it out i kick out it is an intermediate color i guess yeah 0 it does be a lot cold and slimy i hate play day it is just minginion yeah 0 that is cool cool okay so maybe if we go on to evaluation criteria and then we will i suspect we are going to have a couple of minor finance issues but we will see i am sure we can get around them somehow we will just send all of our manufacturing too some nice poor country cappend for the press it is that one wales wales for example cool okay right okay marketing expert yeah okay cool so what we are going to do is prepare the evaluation of the new design so we are going to be using a 7 point scale so one is you know yes it totally meets about that requirement and 7 is no it really does not we need to go back and start again you know basically what i did was i went through all the like user requirements and things that we have done that we have done and we have worked on and like made a list of them you know so that we can evaluate each one and like it is about going back to the start and saying 0 yeah we did manage to do that or 0 no we really forgot about them okay cool so these are what they are so for each of these we need to give it a one to 7 is that right yes i did have a b c and d down here but it seems to have turned into like just bullet points never mind okay but if you can imagine that they say a b c and d and that would be really good i guess we will give it maximum points and everything yeah it is definitely attractive yeah i agree that was a locatable thing we actually forgot well i thought we would kind of said that you would have a little thing to stick on the tv yeah shall i just prepare it now just prepare one now it will be red too so be attractive to look at so be attractive to look at what do you all say so 7 was not the maximum yeah yeah i go for 7 yeah it is terrible we will say proud of the call okay so that will be a 7 0 no you can not that is up there okay what i have done on the next page is i have set it up so we just put the marks in ah okay excellent except we can not yeah but that is right i can take a note of it yeah i will take a note it is fine so we are all agreeing on 7 for a cool okay does it match the operating behavior of a user 0 i think it does yeah yeah the only thing that we were considering was that this thing is kind of more for right handed people than for left handed people so if you are left handed you are kind of left scrolling with your finger we might want to do another version which is like exactly the mirror image of this one yeah that is going to be a problem because you do not always have all left handed or all right handed in a family but it is not a huge problem because it is unpredictable i think left handed people are already used to discrimination anyway so they just yeah but i mean because it is not like it is a pen you know left handed people can not normally right handed but they can normally do most things right handed so i would say it is not such a big issue yeah because i mean in any way right handed people would be able to scroll with it and so if the majority are right handed it is you can use your finger to scroll other than your thumb so i mean that does kind of negate the whole rsi issue so maybe we need to put that needs a little bit of investigation maybe 5 i would say what do you think or maybe 6 because it is just one amount of the issue i think for i mean most people are right handed so in terms of our greatest target group i think it is pretty good yeah one more thing is that we might want to plan it for management they might want to okay it might be a little clumsy when it opens up right it opens on the side no yeah but we have it nicely with a hinges or whatever yeah yeah so you guys can decide it will be and it will be it will not be heavy i think the alternative is flipping from the top yeah well yeah but it is a bit long it is a little bit long well i mean it can be open like this of course but you were thinking about making it smaller yeah this is a slight is more hand so you have to keep that side with the ir channel yeah but if we flip it open only as much as that okay so it works like a mobile phone flipping but you know as long as that side is flat then that will work right okay okay okay so c are we admitting defeat on c or are we saying we are going to stick a locator on the t no we have a locator there is a locator there is a locator cool so that means you need a little speaker on it though little speaker on it then is not it to make it beep yeah well but the sample speaker is included so it has some capacity to do yeah to make some sounds so yeah so that is 7 yeah it is locatable fabulous d intuitive completely intuitive yeah if this means intuitive if it means the way people kind of are used to finding things and it is i think it is i think it is because the standard layout for numbers is 3 3 3 and one rather than the way you have got it i really like the way you have it but it is not the immediate thing that you used to yeah and i mean and even the scroll way it is a new technology so it might be a little more difficult for people to get used to in the beginning so it is kind of not very intuitive but it is a good technology and it is something that they will be experiencing in a lot of different places soon so should we maybe say a 5 and say it is intuitive but it is different so yeah do you know i mean it is obvious how to use it but you might have to think about it 1st so we give that one a 5 do you think okay yeah i am going to give a 7 and everything so yeah i am glad you are accepting this it has taken a little while has not it intuitive but sorry it is really hard to write on this i just went a bit mad did not it okay cool okay i guess this comes back from this whole b thing links in here so possibly for left handed investigate yeah but otherwise it is superb so should give it a 6 6 6 the ergonomic design well i mean i do not know i mean the repetitive stress things but then who would be really pushing the button so much on the remote control anyway yeah unless you are all the time sitting yeah so it is kind of i used to send 50 texts a day you know and i never got repetitive strain injury from that so i find it quite hard to believe you know and moreover it has the lcd and everything so that you know we minimize the pressing of the buttons anyway so we give that 6 yeah okay yeah have voice yeah absolutely i want to have the things there but it only have bullet points there that is the 2nd one so you must have changed it on this one where it has got score but not on the previous slide 0 okay cool right so it has voice control yes so that is a 7 then ge technology yeah it is the most sophisticated remote that i have ever seen yeah but in terms of the actual technology none of it is actually new we have the sample speaker as well which is yeah yeah but i mean all of the components have been used in other things before but at the same time they are all relatively new they have never been used in remote control before i did not think yeah what do you reckon 56 yeah the geo thing 6 i mean how far can you go with a remote control really well that is it it still has to do what it has to do yeah but i mean everything has been used in space before it gets to anyone else really has not it see many space remote that is it they can take it with them put fashion in electronics absolutely yeah is not it fashion yeah sure the carrot banana it is the maximum fashion so we give it 7 fruit and vegetables are fashion these days so okay so i think we have done very well but very good we have said we need the average here so the average is about 6 and something a little bit over 6 there are how many no wait a little bit under 6 that is 2836 is and 15 18036 is okay yeah 28 38 47 46 and 5 51 51 divided about 65 about 65 65 close enough okay that was pretty good i think now i will wait until we get to finance if we can afford it that is all you have got at the moment or did you have anything there no that is it yeah all right so finance and we will see if we can unscrew this 1st cool sorry this is kind of this thing there we go there you go there you go another mask beautiful yeah not anymore you have to be nice of me you have to wait for it there we have to wait for it criteria and now we have to calculate the production costs so i have got an excel spreadsheet to help us do that can you read that almost 0 less i started filling it in but of course these are provisions or so we have to go down no hand dynamo right yeah one simple battery no kinetic energy no solar the chip we are going for an advanced chip on print we also said the sample sensor and sample speaker single curved surface so that we can fold it case material was said rubber i do not know what special color means anything i think which is not monotonic yeah probably so i think this is probably special color yeah yeah but rubber comes colored is not it yeah maybe it is like if you want titanium colored or wood colored or maybe if you want some kind of pattern thing or anything yeah you might end up having to take off the we are definitely going to have push button and then we will have scroll wheel with push button push button we had no yeah yeah we had for muting yeah and we have lcd display and and button supplements no no we are not using any of that yeah but would you we have we have we have lc display but but the spinning wheel is not yeah maybe it is integrated with the lc display okay let us say see i think the push button 0 but then you have i do not know if that is one that means you can only have 25 push buttons in total not counting anything you can still be in budget that seems unlikely what is the limit whether push button means that we have to count all of the more i do not think that makes sense no it says what is the kind of interface if it is push button then you got a 0 then you got a 05 it is a scroll wheel so we put its push button and scroll wheel and lcd display yeah so that is that is the 3 kind of interfaces that we have so as we can see that is way too expensive down here what is our our budget 125 yeah the sample center will have to go because that is the most expensive thing yeah so that has implications though for the it does not have for voice recognition but it does have for the feedback speaker that when you press one it says one or it says hello but that is a bit of a gimmick anyway really is not it and the locator also goes away but it was very innovative so that means no locator is it well the yeah i mean what else does that name well the sample speaker is expensive but we could just have some very very easy to do very easy device that just beeps yeah because the sample speaker was i think more complicated than this yeah yeah yeah there you record your samples yeah okay also in the case i am not sure that you will evaluate this as a curved surface because it is just rubber so it is probably a flat surface rubber huh okay yeah so we need 150 off see i was just i was going to say the scroll wheel push button thing because take it down to just a scroll more so that would mean that we cannot press yeah then we would be in the budget in the lcd we can scroll right but how do we make a selection if you cannot push the button no you can push this one but we do not have a push button we do not have this muting mechanism for this so that is where you just have to spin it down a you can have to scroll it straight roll it straight down for the mute so that is 3 but hey it is the scroll wheel and i thought we were referring to this as a scroll spinning wheel and push button thing but i mean we can put an additional mute button on the top as well yeah i mean that would not actually cost anymore that is the spin wheel there is not it did not that come with the lcd that is with the lcd yeah we decided because it is not on our list 0 so this is the scroll wheel is on the side so we are adding costs for both okay i mean i think this is good so we are 3 over at the moment unless we just take off the scroll wheel all together and just have push buttons to the volume you could still put them on the side but yeah i mean the scroll wheel is pretty cool but instead of scrolling here we have 2 buttons here up and down down sounds good actually yeah rather than having 3 different things that people have to do okay there we go 0 look we are way under budget and we will make huge profits and we will get bonuses well we could admit to the single curve and the stuff can we or that we have to have some sort of special color yeah so that is all right we will leave it at that and then i will take you i can send it back to management and say and say we were not quite sure about the color if that costs extra that we have still got some space for it we have yeah yeah excellent all right so did we lose on our evaluation criteria as a little bit of doing that no i do not really no because we keep all the features we keep voice recognition we keep lcd display instead of having scrolling we just push the button we just got rid of a gimmick that was never know anyway and the scroll wheel is i mean essentially the 2 buttons there is not very different but we lose the locator we are going to have a beep we are going to have a beeping thing so instead of a speaker yeah it is not like sample speaker but it will just beep so we still have the locator yeah that is not a very exciting color i think you should make it more vegetable like which color the color of the phone or the color of the 0 the beeper thing well it can be yellow as well and it can come in the same color as the case we will not have run out of our potpilator over that yeah i think jen wants it to vibrate do you know your pen vibrates yeah i know i know my pen vibrate but only for a very short time okay so it looks like we have designed a banana banana we have just got about 10 minutes or so left of the meeting so it would be good if we could just have a little talk about the project itself and how it went so that we can feed back to the management for next time they are designing the product cool feedback ideas yep as far as creativity is concerned i think that was there was room for creativity the only the only problem being that at the end we had to cut some things down because of the budget we had i think one thing that was lacking was that we did not know what the various things cost to begin with yeah and we kept adding things randomly yeah so if we would have that she at the beginning we usually would be like okay we can have that lot yeah yeah yeah so all the random decisions at the end could have been yeah but in terms of the process of going and working individually and then coming back to your meetings that worked i think as a meeting is so regular you know it was not like we were alone for very long so you did not go off and think would not it be great to have a vineboating shape like a banana and then you know you come back 3 days later of the means came lick lick hit by baits and it looks like a bit on it yeah yeah the means were very very good the means were used the whiteboard digital and the pens i like the pens i want one that would just be so cool to do all you know yeah you could take it to lecture and just light stuff down and have it printed out yeah yeah yeah it is i wonder what one of these costs do you think they would notice if 11 yeah i do not think you should say that whilst the recording okay cover at the microphone yeah yeah but that worked well having a whiteboard that we could draw on as well as having the powerpoint because i find that the problem with powerpoint often is that it is so static and you can not change it once in yeah yeah and this time also the time limits that actually preparing the nothing flew in you did not have the whole whooshing thing thing because there was not time for that so yeah it is alright that always it is not that you can do that on the board either yeah but i mean already just just preparing the slides before yeah totally i mean that was fairly tight anyway i mean especially with that last minute alteration yeah you can see with your brackets this has just had to be changed and yeah we are supposed to say nice things about jenn there yeah i was satisfied with the leadership yeah definitely you will not like it a dictating be you would say that is always good you have to say that because i am taking the night and then you have got the pen you want to tag me of it and then the teamwork i think it worked quite nicely did anyone feel that they were getting covered up and not being able to to express them i guess it was a fairly small group so all of us got to express our opinions new ideas fine well it is pretty new pretty novel solution for a remote control really all this flipping open thing i do not know i did not go shopping for mate controls yeah but i have never seen anything and none of my you know but i have never seen anything and none of my examples were was like this actually yeah i will be looking at next time i need to write an essay that looks boring i will see if anybody maybe we could have a patent on this one yeah patent patent i think we would like to think the ideas when you have got no way of finding it yeah well you can always go to google and type in banana remote control and vibrate but that would just come up with like the things really nothing nothing it is really true okay so costs are within budget yes or within budget including a little what have we got one left over for bits that we did not foresee we evaluated yes the project you have got the scores can you put that in the project documents yes in the project already and the process we all did not really have any major bad into it were there any was there anything that you found difficult or anything that did not go as smooth as my main difficulty was the the time pressure otherwise yeah yeah sometimes it is like a little bit less i thought that was good though because if you are given too much time then you have got nothing to do with your time although we could have made the hours better had we had 5 more minutes okay then i think we are still well within our yeah is that like 5 minutes left but if we are finished then we are finished we are just too efficient and we should never drag a meeting on just because you have extra time yes so i would say that is just that so i would say that is the end of that meeting it was a pleasure working with you it was a very productive day we could draw animals on the board again 0 no i do not think so you can make some animals 0 you do not like them no it is just minging it smells a bad it does not it is quite nice it smells very sweet so we have to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary when they is there a questionnaire already sent i do not know if it is already sent or not no it has not been presumably do we have to go back into the other room or put we stay in here then i do not see why you can not stay here do you mean what kate is the other one did i save this one i made your animal for you it was supposed to be pink yeah but it was blue on the board" ]

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[ "so yeah we put this stuff on so that so that we have some record of the whole thing what are going to say and the whole idea here is says also put the lapel on yep the whole idea of this meeting is that it is not me who will be talking all the time so so that would be a boring that would be definitely boring meeting 0 what what is the topic here s so joel is going to talk no i am going to listen yeah yeah yeah so i so the p the actually the reason why we got together is that it is ab it is about the time to a make sure that when petr leaves us i am afraid it may happen right i mean it or did you did not change your mind yet well i guess so that is mine i could not or your girlfriend did not change your mind i would like to change but i cannot so so that whatever he is whatever he has been doing is not forgotten and then people can stay on his shoulders and i hope that he will not get out entirely out of out of this problem but still we we need to continue on this yeah so i think the joel will be is is my main hope that he is he is going to pick up the key word spotting and some of these ideas and also the reason why p i p petr motlicek is here is that joel is also getting interested in opal models of tem temporal envelope yeah yeah that is true yeah and of of course pet petr for signals so about it but petr motlicek too well i think that i am more now eh both of you you know much more than me well may from different point of view so but but but you will be here and from different point of view eh because but petr motlicek is working mainly on speech coding yeah 0 yeah okay speech coding yeah and so so this is yeah i guess this is it so m i i guess that really you should be talking more than anybody else because you should be asking questions no yeah yeah well that is yeah yeah right yeah i know so what is it that you need to know so and let me just tell us so what you know already about i do not know how far you are with the s features yeah well so basically i started reading about the features that is taking the long temporal and time frame that is traps or yeah and tandem approach so you know s something like that yeah s yeah yeah so then i also started with the there was a paper on fitting a ear model to the d c t of a signal started with that and slowly getting used to the stuff to the d c d s yeah but t what christos was doing 0 i cannot say it i think yeah yeah to the hilbert envelope you mean no it is the paper by dan ellis and co right 0 this were ho how it started basically because that was marios athineos yeah and dan ellis yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they had a paper i believe it was not in icassp a s r u or something right a s r u 2004 i guess yeah it was a a s r u but that was a time when they were not using very long d segments 2003 yeah yeah okay yeah it was like 50 millisecond or something what they were playing with at the time okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i know so then i the story was that then marios presented that at so some meeting and we realized 0 so for yeah that might be cute thing for estimating spectral energies because that is what we want and we will the the way we have we are doing it is kind of i think it works but it is little bit inelegant somehow stupid so so 1st do the frame by based estimate yeah and then you you get stick to 100 hertz sampling 10 millisecond sampling or something and then you just pick up the trajectory so so marios was here for half a year maybe or even more and started work with petr who also j just came why that i do not think so so they were working little bit together mainly m marios was programming in matlab and petr was putting it into fancy is yeah and but and but then we were hoping th to pick up on that little bit more yeah i just re wrote in in c +plus i did not do us so much on that and we we did right you did a little bit of work well we we tried many knobs to tune on th on that yeah because you can decide what compression factor and everything okay so i tried a little bit like pick maybe 3 knobs and try to go through the 3 d 3 d cage to see what happens in which which kind of settings so this we did but we we did not because there was still a question that i do not remember right now and we never published that anywhere right huh yeah because there was some essential question i i do not remember i would have to look at it f and because be before i wou before i we could u we could write anything i i would be have to be sure that something is right there yeah yeah i could not be sure about it at the time yeah so and anyway it it takes time this this computation yeah it is it is very inefficient it takes like 100 times more than computing some m f c c s computing these features because it is huge d c t huge f f t everywhere and yeah we were also doing a serious thing that we were stepping it by 10 millisecond right yeah at the time there is no optimisation right we just stick to the trap yeah we wanted to make as close to trap as is possible which is silly but that w you have to start somewhere right that was a reasonable start yeah yeah yeah so then i continued with another paper that you are mentioning l p trap so i just moving around with that ideas and also the main idea today why i told maybe is like if you can list down what all things are there to be taken care of yeah then one by one because finally face find i do have something else so maybe to list down the things other than the what i have already taken from you y okay and also to discuss generally so so what well last time we we were s talking about what about gaussians you you have the gaussians running somehow yeah like feature extraction yeah feature extraction and then the tandem training c also so the you are able to train the net now part tandem training so you may be the only one in the whole world now because because chi fong is gone and and barry is gone no no so they are going from icsi so morgan was joking no what he informed me they are gone from icsi chi fong went to t i and and b barry is at lawrence livermore lab huh he basically got a job he he graduated and he is he will be working on things which he cannot talk about yeah he can not even say it on a microphone here i heard eh it is i yeah it is classified work typically it is and so so jo morgan was h only half joking he was s somebody was asking him you were or so s or somebody was asking him something or there was there was matthew and he said well probably we will be coming to ask you because nobody really knows anymore at icsi so please stay kay but who who is the one who who is now developing the quicknet and these things the the m l p 4 and these things th nobody because it is that was barry and now it is cl close histo actually brno is doing a a lot of that now it was barry they picked up the software and they play with the and nets ah i see yeah so that might be that brno will be at the soonest as a ultimate expert on on the whole thing i see well still we have the experts who who made the software on here you know olivier bornet and n n where which software no they ne quicknet was done well quicknet itself was done actually long time ago at icsi quicknet training yeah yes but olivier make it run on on these machines and make the cross the 2 g barrier here at idiap is that so group because we could not we could not do something i do not know what but he is he is no good in quicknet right i s i guess what yeah yeah okay so we h have to treat him well yeah okay so yeah right now i have the feature extraction part where i can get the phoneme posteriors and through the neural net so so right so then i think i need yeah so you just miss the back end which is easy because it is h t k it is everyone knows here yeah i yeah but yeah it is t k through for some other task i have run it is t k so i have the general feel okay but maybe i can take the interceptor from you and run it once on my to have it yeah okay a and you you just need from us to hear w what are the other p front ends and other features to to choose or something yeah so yeah basically so then i can can share what i ca have read and well the whole idea then is that then you start playing with it right yeah and you yeah and yes okay so how do we do it shou shou should i list it so i will use this or maybe that might be the yeah the let us do the feature extraction that we have already taken then the back end for that yeah then well like i i d i distinguish between feature extraction and then the m l p yeah because see you feed something to the m l p which are not the waves yeah okay so so well and that is that is what i call it so yeah and then the back end yeah but okay well so what what i have here what i have been working on since i was here was m f c c p l p which is always needed for compressing purposes yeah then traps with w various lengths and also you know traps now yeah traps i know but though with various with var various lengths we were trying to to start them from from on the ultimate length of 11 frame up to 12nd or even more okay length ah okay on frame frame 0 but it was so this also w then we apply the d c t on the trap itself which is some something like the gaussians okay applying some filt filtering filtering yeah basically the trap so this but this is mainly franta who was doing this so this is related to traps i was also trying the warping okay means if you have a 2nd which is a 101 samples i was just keeping the central 1010 samples yeah and then i was throwing away some some of them you know like with sampling this this 12nd of the trap to something which i which i preserved all the points in the center and just picked every 10th point at the boundaries which means the trap 101 trap trajectory shrank to say 15 points with with still preserving the maximum resolution at the center and throwing away most of the points near the boundary okay so this i was trying so these i have some results on so these are traps then the gauss traps okay then tandem system okay the tandem you +minus half because that is that is just a p l p s okay and then there is a training with m l p that is taking some context of these p l p coefficients okay huh so it is like feeding the p l p l p s or m f c s w whatever to m l p and taking some context this is the tandem so this set up we also have here okay i did not experiment with this but maybe you some more results 0 it is hemant who has the results on tandem i guess no okay he used to have before he lost all the data yeah yeah we should not smile it is alright right yeah but i think the i think the most important results are already in the thesis he is writing but he will have it again yeah so so is there some somewhere so this is tandem then then what and then there is the f d l p then we can talk more about yeah yeah that is ri which is which i have more experiments on yeah also this warping and compressions and all these things right so compression basically you are looking at i guess yeah so yeah yeah but i am using that for different different reason right so it is speech coding so what is the task is usual just take the speech of course somehow to encode it into as as small number of beat as possible and with a reasonable quality of course coding yeah and again to e decode it okay and i am using f d l p for that still playing with more less 12nd long segments huh huh so just dividing the speech into one s 12nd frames doing d c t okay huh it is just the standard wor of work and then doing some compression and computation of yeah yeah yeah sh 0 yeah well it is bil still sub bands no but you are doing the same no well yeah yeah b yeah yeah you take the the d c t and you just divide it into several sub bands frequency bands with a different but that you just did not talk about any sub band so far okay and by the way you do not do the overlap on the sub bands no no that is for compression i d i do or you do yeah but you do not do the overlap on the time domain you mean you said somethi yeah no no no no i do not do okay so that is the difference i do not need for for compression you basically do not need the yeah just 12nd with without overlapping but in frequency domain there is a overlap because you can choose which filters you want more less or just trajectories of those bands yeah so there is overlapping i am using those gaussian filters or classical those those trapet trapezoidal like in m f c c s right and p l p and then processing each f yeah p l p s p l p s m f c c or triangles triangle yeah okay tr triangulars that one then i am doing s doing independent processing of each frequency band okay so i am computing that hilbert envelope which is just the envelope of some temporal trajectory okay the speech signal yeah and more or less you can divide this into a hilbert envelope hilb hilbert carrier we use something like l p a linear prediction envelope auto regressive model and excitation signal yeah so those are 2 parts or items you need somehow to encode if you want again to get original speech or reasonable quality okay and yeah there is some compression factor which is again when you are computing that auto regressive model from f d l p you can compress the spectrum somehow in in such a way that you rather preserve those even also those dips not only peaks in the spectrum okay and it sounds better for some kind of speech signals so you know about this compression how how does it why it is okay yeah yeah yeah knows more than than than i do i just do not know ah he is new he is he is doing you most of the things so it is kind of logarithm when you use logarithm for m f c c s right s so that is good yeah so it is again compression factor something like th and but then you have to uncompress it again of course to get back the speech and there other other things which i am doing so but it is not related to speech recognition so much or but okay but certainly when it comes to like the the opal modeling of temporal trajectories even pe petr fousek is not here you probably know a lot about it by now well what well no that ap approximating hilbert envelope by opal model right right i what i a v a v l p i i d yeah as as i say when you when you are not here that that petr motlicek knows enough about it too well the beginning of the well it is yeah sure sure i know i mean it is more or less the same approach right 0 yeah sure sure sure sure because same ap yeah different application different different software or something okay there is m just more right right right yeah okay yeah so just they in th in the speech re synthesis or coding what you are doing did you try to to play with the knobs somewhere yeah with what like many v widths i m no no the compression number of bands and lengths of the so what you what you were playing with and what other result yeah yeah sure number of bands and like what to use so that it sounds the best you know that is the problem for speech coding because i do not have results like in speech recognition yeah 0 of course you you listen to it yourself so of course i have to listen it and and s well so now what i am using are 15 bands i d i am fine with that because which seems to me fit 15 frequency band which seems to me quite reasonable we can go down till like 12 and still okay i would say yeah but then you start hearing difference or also that is another problem okay once you can go down with frequency bands then you will have much more c complicated data but let us say excitation signal or that carrier which yeah because broad bands right if you go down yeah if if you make a b broader bands because because when the band is narrow the c excitation is close the carrier is close to s sinusoid basically co sinusoid yeah maybe like that no so there is more and more s frequency components let us say or something like that in one broad band i see so so you will not say that the l p c is not able to fit it so that the residual was easy so no l p c will maybe but then you have still another part sometime something like a source and a filter so when you are doing speech coding or you may almost want to dis i b yeah b use the white board yeah use maybe you can use the board for that yeah yeah i mean and that is why we have it here right so that will be hero why can we remove this when you are going to this place i do not think so i do not know now i do not think so it is quite long no no no no 0 i think no we are wired are not supposed well i mean it is it is the same like when you are doing l p l p synthesis right so you have got source signal i do not know source i think you have to push it push it as much as possible because it reacts to the except yeah and then there is some filter which is that one divided by a z and that is and that is it and the source can be a noise signal or it can be some sequence of what is that pulses periodic pulse yeah pulses right this is l p yeah this is a standard time domain l p right this is yeah yeah so and it is more less or less the same what i am doing so this is some envelope which is in our case related to hilbert envelope and this is a source signal which is hilbert carrier but since you are in a different domain this is he here we are in time domain right but this is but but you are you are really in a frequency domain right so it the line is turning to into sines right right and you p and since this this i mean because this thi this this spectrum is al has also line spectrum right 0 which lines exactly yeah so this is now going to be frequency yeah yeah okay okay okay okay okay i mean all components so if you are then if we are in a frequency th your source looks like this yeah so more or less if we can we can plot it and so what we can see is some hilbert envelope like this i see what you mean and then there is that hilbert carrier or this not hilbert carrier but this is the signal which we get from one di one frequency band so you compute d c t right from signal this is the sub band time signal yeah yeah exactly it is yeah right it is and what we get from that is this hilbert envelope right so you know that and the 2nd which should be that carrier should be something like this yeah i see it is just really close to cosine we m we might see if we do it do it properly right okay so and this is what you also have to somehow transmit or at least try to transmit in order to get i see and this is where i was thinking the residual in l p c fit of the hilbert envelope not this i was not thinking of this at all before you know right right cause there are 3 things 1st you have to encode this then the l p c coefficients and the residual after l p c fit if you like right no i do not need l p c no no this is like a residual for him 0 you do not this is a residual for me yeah in the for frequency it is this is the residual yeah i am just wan i just want to transmit this signal right it is and what you need is this envelope and this one carrier yeah well i and you again get the same signal this this this shape doing i d c t okay yeah yeah and the biggest problem currently is that the carrier is actually not cosine but something little bit more interesting putting everything together yeah right right but if you take a look for example for a s if you have a very g good music signal which is very periodic you can really see something like there is one peak and and if the frequency does not change over the wa over over the lengths of the and frequency more or less does not change it is related to that frequency of the broad band or how it is called yeah yeah that that is nice if you add those filters which are wider and wider this is that center frequency which is somehow related to this one yeah okay so then you can transmit just fe and so so so the so the broader bands do what on this picture l left left it is worse and worse do not then you do not see any anything like cosine but but f f fortunately because of he because of properties of hearing more or less but for the higher bands you if you put in just s some garbage some noise it does not really m w matter all that much it w sounds little bit worse but it is not a big tragedy where you really w if you want to g do a good voice speech you will want to get the lower bands correct right right yeah that that is and if you put in noise altogether it sounds like a whispered speech but you understand perfect everywhere it sounds like l p c when you excited by noise by noise it is better i would say yeah better quality definitely better quality it lower bit rate but that is a problem so now we have to kill them both so so because i mean gave all the secrets away yeah sure i mean qual computers is going to for any object you measure you use for a reconstructed signal and objective measure well it was some those distances spectral distances well edinburgh saw probably yes so well i mean if motorola or nokia gets hold of this tape then we are in trouble huh hopefully it by then it will be protected and and everything right although herve just said that we should not s talk about confidential things here it is it is it is but listen this is a science that is that is the problem i mean it is confidential to the extent that we are not i publishing it yet yeah but we w we of of course we will i h and and but we have to make sure that that if qualcomm has a interest of who is funding the work the they have to have a chance to to to patent it or something yeah but that is about all this is not a public public presentation alright so this i is not even a problem yeah sure the only problem would be if but you know i see nobody can beat p petr petr motlicek anymore in i mean if even if if nokia knows everything if you if you sell it tomorrow who did you work for th the text no okay t h p h p h p they will take half a year before they would even realize what it is yeah and by then so it is not no problem okay so that is where that is that is 0 okay so so there is a compromise between the the lower bands the the worse stuff you just said and and the more bands the more coefficients to transmit right so 15 is about okay yeah yeah yeah also there are papers about it that f if you have like 12 frequency bands it is somehow optimal okay so this and then there is a compression what about that compression is only to really to somehow feed that hilbert envelope to yeah to get the so that you get so that you can not model it actually yeah yeah you can model it better there is no echo or something like reve reverberance in the signal if you really go down with that compression factor to like 0 one something that yeah of what 000 compression 0 one kay so what is the compression factor we are getting here so when you comp w what you com when you compress the effectively they will want the signal which we are modeling huh right and so then you get the fitting to compress signal the sub band signal okay essentially if you were in spectral domain you would compress the power spectrum yes here you compress the the th this th this i the what ful yeah of d c t of of the signal right sub bands power spectrum it is it is s right and it is still yeah and so the w then you have predictor is fitting actually this compress signal but you know how much c it was compressed so you can always expand it back so that you get the c that you get a fit to the to the original thing to fit the the except that if it is different because it ha th basically this opal modeling has a different properties and it is yeah you just preserve something different little bit yeah so we can tell you a little bit more about it let us say in r s s this is an sort of old technique which it yeah i think hynek has got ma many papers or some papers over that and it was my thesis even so 0 p h d thesis actually in i think i read it a small sorry l p c l l p yeah it was s t l p was called spectral transform linear prediction it was my 1st icassp paper ever it was it 1983 boston you guys were still in kindergarten right yeah right more or less 0 this is terrible yeah so but no nobody nobody was using it for anything except it was cute but that was about it and and but now it seems like that is since since what we are doing here we are normal l p c is fitting peaks right coming back though yes but when you are modeling hilbert envelope you do not necessarily want to fit only peaks yes you sometimes want to get a basically good estimate of the of the envelope envelope yeah so that helps you because in this thi thi this spectral transform allows you to to find the right balance between how well it fits peaks how how well it fits dips and and yeah right exactly yeah and sort of the so this is g so i think that basically i do not know what else i mean you should be asking questions right s yeah so one thing i wanted to know is any a good literature on these lines well yeah yeah yeah go on well i think you can really take those papers from marius about f d l p where you started with yeah yeah yeah they are yeah that is one yeah 0 th 0 about 3 papers they are that is really enough on there was the s s s sapa or how it is called the confere then then i have 2 with the sapa and then yeah this is a this they are 2 papers in one is in sapa one is in u interspeech interspeech paper i and one is in in the america yes in a c cheju and one was in the a s r u it was from virgin islands yeah what is sapa sapa was a s i i tell you what it stands for statistic and ad and something ad and perceptual approaches i i do not know i just n you were i was on f i was on a f w s organizing committee i should know just something you do not know but statistic and and something approaches evaluation that is that is bad pattern right pe perceptua and statistics and perceptual a approaches approaches okay okay kay that was yeah but there are also reports from idiap i think at least 2 reports from marius seem to me but they are the same right as as and then also is there is some more work actually can be traced down yeah they are more less they are same like huh okay i think there wa the reading les atlas is papers are very good yeah because les atlas is doing a lot of work on coding in this domain okay he does not use opal model but he uses d c t and then he p so the so so and it and les is excellent guy huh yeah yeah he is very good mathemat h very good theoretician huh basically he is a he is at stanford the guy and really he likes to write things well right right yeah yeah so he is very rigorous as opposed to s to me for instance yeah okay yeah definitely so if you read that then it then you know that there are no errors and sometimes unreadable i would say okay yeah but so whatever you g whatever you get hands on from les atlas for over past 5 years regardi this 2 years ago it is quite difficult but yeah last year on one of the icassps he had like 5 papers right or various aspects of this because he is eager to yeah i think this year a lot interspeech there was one paper but it was regarded to speech recognition somehow okay is that so i did not even see it y yeah yeah yeah or it was not something like speech coding or that d c t transforms huh n nothing like that i do not so also i can before marius left he he has he had actually left himself but all the files are here you know so all the m matlab implementations of these are here okay and there is also one big table that he used he used to yeah to fill in yeah with all kinds of parameters he was also playing with all these compression factors and lengths of the of of that huh and there is a big table in in excel which you can look at huh he has all kinds of speech recognition results right yeah yeah yeah it was the 1st time you start using the cluster i remember or some some parallel processing this wa yeah because it it it took a huge amount of time that was a big thing here and he basically he he was the 1st one to realize that these these guys are pretty slow to to do these things everybody hated him for t temporarily so he he he just he just put here the p make environment and he did not stick to any cluster or anything right i remember huh he just put p make and run it on on all the machines here huh so at some point he was using all the available memory by any mistake you know so at th in the morning all the machines were were just stuck d no one could ever m move the mouse i yeah i remember frank came to me and says is everybody was computing like marius we would be all dead right but i say frank but i want everybody to compute like marius and so these these resul yeah yeah so because he was doing everything in matlab so it was again 10 times more demanding than c +and then yeah maybe yes maybe no i do not it is hard to say now it is not so bad with that if you really write it f well but he did he wrote it well and he did but anyway anyway i think so because i w i in the code that i wrote i was like playing also with if if the mat matrix is parse i really do not use it all sure i just multiply from here to here from here to here r right not to matrix p my matrix yeah yeah and then i i just optimized it a bit and also blast libraries and all these sta things yeah yeah but okay 0 well whatever whatever that is not important well it is important you know but the t whereas i mean this is something which we never talk about right i hear it how much work does put in here 0 yeah sure it is important for this case because it is true it is true this that that things sped up tremendously since i came yeah but still i mean of course partially because they started to buy some more more hardware yeah but also be p some at least some people basically know how to write faster programs yeah but there is a the back end recognizer which i will give you which is turn around of 18 minutes or well from 11 to 15 minutes this is fantastic normally it would take hour and a half and used to be 2 days yeah yeah no no today it was over one hour it is just like 10 times less maybe or 5 to 10 times less but still still you can you can 5 times more compute so do you already know where what is the situation with you you go back to prague for a while and then did you get anything in f in france great i got some ideas by the way i yeah i have to talk to you about these yeah i i do not know yeah i i did not try to i did not even mail to to chernotsky i must say huh i just talked to one girl there which told me that he would be possibly able to find me a job there any any job like related maybe to field but job not not anything any research 0 it is that is the that is the would be a pity right so if if nothing then then i could be able to get the job somewhere you you ca you t so you do not die of hunger yeah probably and so yeah yeah but t s but yeah yeah that is not the idea no we will we will we will we will try something let us see what we can do kay so joel your main basically thing is as i told you to t when we were walking that that what whatever petr did that it does not die but it i it carries yes and obviously v we very much hope that you get into that and you get excited and you do s more and or maybe even different things we hope that you find out that everything was wrong and that the potential is much bigger yeah but that it actually works yeah it is not that it does not work yeah it actually work that too right no but after you find out the back then it will be that will be the yeah yeah then so we will send you the papers related yeah so and i will point you to all the code which i have yes yeah and yes well regarding this f d l p and i and this and this is all on the record yeah yeah yeah yeah so if we if if we you can hold him to his word he does not send yeah i can play it back yeah yes so i can just now tell the the locations of all the files and you can rewind j ju you rewind browse through the meeting okay yeah yeah ferret yes so so how we doing time wise yeah i think half hour it is fine right yeah yeah and definite any any more things but you will be here until almost until end of yeah until 24 november it is the friday november so november yeah yeah november so breaks my heart okay it is just like i was just start teaching and then i n i will need an assistant yeah maybe yeah d hopefully it is make m makes pay pay some extra so we will see what are you going to t talk or to teach it is just that perceptual stuff and either speech but it is co actually compilation of really compilation of 2 classes i was giving at 0 g i which is like speech processing and and perception and so i tried to put it together so that it makes some sense do you already know how many students you have no no no i have it is i it i should have at least 4 because this is a p like graduates but i have one alright yes 0 it is graduate for graduates guaranteed i have one guaranteed that i do not know if anybody else is well i think guillermo was thinking about yeah bu 3 i mean 4 credits and or a total of 4 sorry i s i do not know ah i do not know if it needs to be 4 credit or not i do not know how much i like people without n not taking it for credit because then they just sit there and having good time yeah but it is okay no no it is okay because s s in i s it is 4 credits and guillermo is taking i think he is g yeah yeah guillermo is taking very good and so i will i s who already have at least 2 if yeah we pro i probably get 4 well i would like to go there but not just for credits just maybe to hear something new and it is possible that is for sure i mean that is okay it was yeah the last time it was for me it was good the course from my from one special reason because in the f when there th were the flats in i lost all my papers from my school all the all the exercise books how to say this yeah the notes notebooks notebooks note note yeah all the notepads and everything all the notes from any courses huh so i was remembering what i was learned or what i was taught at the time but that is good you know it is so so i have it now back at least partially cause all the all the algorithms you were speaking about yeah i did not get into too many things actually i would add we know the reason was that at the time we thought i was teaching with herve and we thought i we have much more time yeah and suddenly we ran out of time basically because what happened was that it was supposed to be 3 hour lecture now but it was only 2 hour lecture and herve assumed that it is going to run longer or i do not know what he assumed 0 but suddenly we sa s he said well so so where are you some i said well i am just slowly getting into l p c he said why but i we have only 3 more lectures yeah i have to teach h m m and everything so i the l p c part was like i had to do it in one hour and then everybody was c totally confused i guess yeah and yeah and also in the in the l lab labs the d people did not know anything about it and they just follow the papers yeah they were also confused yeah 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and i would have to stay one more where are the well it would be good reason for petra that i have to stay here yeah right right so is she getting another position there or what is the re reason of what a boyfriend huh yeah yeah because she has a good position because she has a friend which is starting who is starting a lab there and everything is it is a great opportunity for her at least 0 i see so that is good yeah but the problem is and then she will go back and there is f family issues and all these things you know for a girl it is always the pain yeah i know because she has to break for some time at least a little yeah but has to break yeah and in in the science it is not that easy to to break i know yeah okay okay yeah so in case i need something on this f d l p i will come to you yeah 0 sure otherwise i am also much more available than i was a any i mean when you came it was just like cra one of the craziest times of this year okay okay it is not it is not that i was very productive that i was doing anything useful yeah yeah but it just like it is a little bit like writing thesis all the time re writing and change the do make a little changes and and but takes your huh yeah but i think definitely you are the best person here to with related to availability of you because if if if i want to go to herve i probably call secretary he is there or and when i can and i there was no op no ev every time i came to you you were available yeah he is ver no he has many more sp many more people so to take care of yeah well i am typically i try to be because because you know i mean for s this is also my livelihood right students at least it that is great yeah so i have to make sure that that that they need to know something that so feel free basically to stop by any time and yeah and it is not that i know everything yeah but if i know i i think i sort of know a little bit like what you guys were doi doing right i think so but not not obvi every detail obviously yeah you know the core which we do not remember anymore programming what yeah you do not know why why you are doing it anymore we know the details and you know what what is th what is the global stuff why you are you doing this yeah good question sometime asking ask hynek 0 boy yeah ask my boss oops okay i think my mic is falling falling yeah so i think we go huh right yeah yes thank you very much yeah thanks thanks a lot thank you 0" ]

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[ "set up huh yeah all right let us set up so yeah we put this stuff on so that we have some record of the whole thing what this is that we are going to say the whole idea here is also put the lapel on yeah so the whole idea of this meeting is that it is not me who will be talking about so what is that it would be a boring that would be definitely boring meeting so joel is going to talk i am going to listen so actually the reason why we got together is that it is about a time to hey make sure that when petter leaves us i am afraid it may happen right i mean it did not change your mind yet goodness 0 your girlfriend did not change your mind i would like to change but i cannot so so that whatever he has been doing is not forgotten and then people can stay on his shoulders and i hope that he will not get out entirely out of this problem but still we need to continue on this so i think joel is my main hope that he is going to pick up the keyword spotting and some of these ideas and also the reason why petja mottlitschek is here is that joel is also getting interested in all pol models of the temple envelope yeah that is true and of course petterfosagnos about it but i think that you are more than you know from different point of view but you will be here and from different point of view is working mainly on speech coding and so so this is i guess this is it so i guess that really you should be talking more than anybody else because you should be asking questions yeah right yeah and so what is it that you need to know and let me just tell us so what you know already about i do not know how far you are with this yeah well features or so basically i started reading about the features that is taking the long temporal and time frame it is traps and tandem approach so you know something like that yeah so then also started with there was a paper on fitting air model to the dct of a signal started with that and slowly getting used to the stuff to the dcg yeah that is what chris was really it is a little bit of the paper by dan ellis and co 0 that is how it started basically because that was mario satineos and dan alice they had a paper i believe it was not even like asru or something right it was a but that was the time when they were not using very long segments yeah okay it was like 50 milliseconds or something when they were playing with that time time so then the story was that then marios presented that at some meeting and we realized 0 that might be cute think for estimating spectral energies because that is what we want and the way we are doing it is i think it works but it is a little bit inelegant somehow stupid so 1st do the frame based estimate and then you get stick to 100 hertz sampling and a millisecond sampling or something and then you just pick up the trajectory so marius was here for half a year or maybe or even more and started work with better just came so they were working a little bit together mainly marius was programming in matlap and petter was putting it in yeah i just rewrote it in the c pos i did not do too much on that and then we were hoping to pick up on that a little bit more and we did right you did a little bit of work well we we tried there are many knobs to tune on on that because you can decide what compression factor and everything so i tried a little bit like picked maybe 3 knobs and tried to go through the 3 d 3 d cage to see what happens in which kind of settings so this we did but we never published that anywhere right we did not because there was still a question that i do not remember right now because there was some essential question i do not remember i would have to look at it and because before i before i we could we could write anything i would have to be sure that something is right there i could not be sure about it at the time so and anyway it takes time this this computation it is very inefficient it takes like a 100 times more than computing some mfcs computing these features because it is a huge dct huge fft everywhere we were also doing a silly thing that we were stepping it by 10 milliseconds right yeah there was no optimization we just stick to the trap we wanted to make as close to trap as possible which is silly but that you have to start somewhere yeah so then i continued with the another papers that you are mentioning at ptrap so just moving around with that ideas and also the main idea today why i told maybe is like if you can list down what all things are there to be taken care of then one by one because finally if i find that you have something else maybe to list down the things other than the what i have already taken from you okay and also to discuss generally so so well last time we we were talking about what about goshen you you have the gosions running somehow like feature extraction yeah feature extraction and then the tandem training also so the you are able to train the net now you may be the only one in the whole world now because chifeng is gone and barry is gone so morgan was joking they are gone from ixie no they are gone from ixie chifeng went to t i and barry is at lawrence rivermoor lab he basically got a job he graduated and he will be working on things which he cannot talk about he can not even say it on a microphone here yes it is classified work quickly and so morgan was only half joking he was somebody was asking him you were or somebody was asking him something 0 that was matthew and he said well probably we will be coming to ask you because nobody really knows anymore at ixie so please take who is the one who is now developing the quick net in these things the mlp 4 and these nobody did it was barry and now it is a close it was very actually berno is doing a lot of that now they picked up the software and they play with this 4 layer nets so there might be that bernouff will be an ultimate expert on the host well still we have the experts who made the software run here you know olivier for that which software no quicknet training quicknet was done clicknet itself was done actually long time ago yes but olivier make it run on these machines and make the cross the 2 g barrier here at the dda because we could not we could not we could not do something i do not know what but he is he is now good in quickness okay so we have to treat him well so yeah right so i have the feature extraction part where i can get the phoneme posterior yeah generally through the neural net right so then i think you just miss the back end which is easy because it is hdk it is everyone knows yeah but yeah hdk through for some other task i have run hdk so okay i have the general feel but maybe i can take the entire setup from you and run it once online this thing to have yeah okay and you you just need from us to hear what are the other front hands and other features to choose something yeah basically so then i think i can share what i can have read and yeah well the whole idea then is that you start playing with it right yeah and you yes yeah and okay so how do we do it the list it or this yeah that might be the 1st is the feature extraction that we have already taken then the back end for that then well yeah like i i distinguish between feature extraction then the mlp because you feed something to the mlp which are not the waves so so well that is that is what i call it and then the backend but okay also what what i have here what i have been working on since i was here was mfc cplp which is always needed for comparison purposes and traps with warriors lens and also you know traps no yeah traps i know but with various with various lands okay length we were trying to start from the ultimate lens of 11 frame up to 12nd or even more but it was so this also then we applied the dct on the trap itself which is some something like the gosians applying some filtering basically the trap so this but this is mainly franta who was doing this so this is related to traps i was also trying the warping means if you have a 2nd which is a 101 i was just keeping the central 10 samples and then i was throwing away some of them you know like resampling this 12nd of the trap to something which i preserved all the points in the center and just picked every 10 points at the boundaries which means the 1st trap 101 trap trajectory shrank to say 15 points with still preserving the maximum resolution at the center and throwing away most of the points near the boundaries so this i was trying so these i have some results on so these are trubs then the gauss traps okay then tandem system okay the tandem you +minus have because that is just the plps okay and then there is a training with mlp which is taking some context of these plp coefficients so it is like feeding plps or mfcs or whatever to mlp and taking some context this is the tandemn so this setup we also have here i did not experiment with this but maybe some more results it is hemant who has the results on tandem i guess he used to have before he lost all that right yeah but i think the most important results are already in the tcc is writing so it is somewhere so this is tandem then then what and then there is the fglp then we can talk more about which is which i have more experiments on also this warping and compressions and all these things so compression basically you are looking at yeah yeah but i am using that for different different reason right so it is a speech conning so what is the task is you just take the speech of course somehow to encode it into as small number of bits as possible and with a reasonable quality of course and again to decode it and i am using fdlp for that still playing with more or less 12nd long segment so just dividing the speech into 12nd frames doing dct it is just the standard word of work and then doing some compression and computation so sub bends no yeah yeah yeah 0 yeah but you are doing the same no well yeah but you just did not talk about any sub bent so far yeah you take the dct and you just divide it into several sub bands frequency bands with a different and by the way you do not do the overlap on the sub bands no no you do i do yeah but you do not do the overlap on the time domain no no no i do not do okay so that is the difference for compression you basically do just 12nd without overlapping but in frequency domain there is overlap because you can choose which filters you want or less or just trajectories of those bands so there is overlapping i am using those gaussian filters or classical those trapezoidal like in mscc is right and then processing each mnccc are trying okay triangles that one then i am doing independent processing of each frequency band so i am computing that hilbert envelope which is just the envelope of some temporal trajectory and more or less you can divide this into a hilbert envelope hilbert carver which is something like lp linear prediction envelope autrogysm model and excitation signal so those are 2 parts parts or items you need somehow to encode if you want again to get original speech or reasonable quality and there is some compression factor which is again when you are computing that after aggressive model from fdlp you can compress the spectrum somehow in such a way that you rather preserve those even also those deeps not only peaks in the spectrum and it sounds better for some kind of you know about this compression how yeah why it is okay i just do not know more than than i do well he is new he is doing most of the thing so it is kind of logarithm when you use logarithm for mscc is right so it is again compression factor something like that and but then you have to uncompress it again of course to get back the speech and there are other other other things which i am doing but it is not related to speech recognition so much but certainly when it comes to like the op on modeling of temporal trajectories if that petit fosek is not here you probably know a lot about it by now well what no that approximating hilbert developed by all pol model what fdlp yeah well if you are not here that petter montu chic knows about it is more or less the same approach right there is different applications different software or something so just in the speech resynthesis or coding what you are doing did you try to play with the knobs somewhere with what with i know the compression number of bands and yeah sure number of bands and what you were playing with and what other and what are the results like what to use you know that is the problem for speech scoring because i do not have results like in speech recognition yeah of course i have to listen to it yourself i am fine with that because well so now what i am using are 15 bands which seems to me 15 frequency band which seems to me quite reasonable we can go down yeah till like 12 and still okay i would say but then you start hearing difference or also that is another problem once you can go down with frequency bands then you will have much more complicated that excitation signal or that carrier if you go down yeah because you might get broader bands because when the band is narrow the excitation is close the carrier is close to sinus sinus so there is more and more frequency components let us say or something like that in one broad bands so you want to say that the lpc is not able to fit it so that the residual was no lpc will maybe but then you have still another part something like source and filter so when you are doing speech cooling or you may almost want to this yeah whiteboard i mean yeah that is why you are here right so can we remove this when you are going to this place i do not know i do not think so no i am not supposed no i mean it is the same like when you are doing lp lp synthesis right so you have got source signal i do not know source i think you have to push it as much as possible because it reacts to the and then there is some filter which is that one divided by a z and that is it is and the source can be a noise signal or it can be some sequence of what is that falses right this is a standard time domain right so it is more or less the same what i am doing so this is some envelope which is in our case related to hilbert envelope and this is a source signal which is hilbert courier but since you are in a different domain this is here you are in time domain right but where you are you are really in a frequency domain so the lines turn into signs right right and you are exactly yeah so this is now going to be frequency yeah okay this spectrum is also a line spectrum right i mean all components so if you are then if you are in a frequency your source looks like this yeah so more or less if we can we can plot it so what we can see is some hilbert envelope like this and then there is that hilbert carrier or this is not hilbert career but this is the signal which we get from one frequency band so you compute dct right this is the subband subband time signal and what we get from that is this hilbert envelope right so you know that and the 2nd which should be that carrier should be something like this it is just really close to cosine we might see okay so do it properly right and this is what you also have to somehow transmit or at this try to transmit in order to get i was thinking the residual in lpc fit of the hilbert envelope not this not this i was not thinking of this at all before right right because there are 3 things 1st you have to encode this then the lpc coefficients and the residue after lpc fit no i do not need lpc no no this is like a residue for him this is a residual for me yeah i just want to transmit this signal right yeah and what you need is this envelope and this one carrier and you again get the same signal this this shape okay do you idct and the biggest problem currently is that the carrier is actually not cosine but something little bit more for example for us if you have a very good music single which is very periodic you can really see something like there is one peak and if the frequency does not change over the over the length of the range it is related to that frequency of the broadband or what is called if you have those filters which are wider and wider this is that center frequency which is somehow related to this one okay so then you can transmit so the broader bands the what on this picture it is worse and worse then you do not see anything like cosine fortunately because of because of properties of hearing more or less for the higher bands if you put in just some garbage some noise it does not really matter all that much it sounds a little bit worse but it is not a big tragedy right if you want to do a good voice speech you want to get the lower bands and if you put in noise all together everywhere it sounds like a whisper speech it sounds like lpc when you excited by noise it is better i would say better quality definitely better quality it will lover or betrayed but that is a problem so now we have to kill them most because i mean we gave all the secrets away yeah so any objective measure you use objective measure you use for objective measure well some those distances spectral distances well it did not work so operable so well i mean if motorola or nokia gets hold of this tape then we are in trouble hopefully by then it will be protected and everything right how the hell i just said that we should not talk about confidential thing it is it is it is a it is a problem listen this is a science i mean yeah confidential to the extent that we are not publishing it yet but we will and and but we have to make sure that if corcom has an interest who is funding their work they have to have a chance to patent it or something this is not a public public presentation right so this is not even a problem yeah the problem would be if but you know nobody can beat petra motley check anymore i mean if if nokia knows everything if you sell it tomorrow who did you work for hp hp they will take half a year before they will even realize what it is and by then so it is no problem okay so that is where that is okay so there is a compromise between the lower bands the worst stuff you just said and the more bands the more coefficients to transmit right so 15 is about okay yeah yeah also there are papers about that that if you have like 12 frequency bands is somehow optimal okay so this and then there is a compression what about that compression is only to really to somehow fit that hilbert developed to get that so that you get so that you can model it actually yeah yeah you can model it better there is no echo or something like reverberance in the signal if you really go down with that compression factor to like 0 one what 0 compression okay so what is the compression factor we are getting here when you compress the effectively the what the signal which we are modeling right and so then you get a fit into a compressed signal essentially if you were in a spectral domain you would compress the power spectrum yes here you compress the this this what subband power spectrum yeah the city of the signal right and so then your predictor is fitting actually this compressed signal but you know how much it was compressed so you can always expand it back so then you get a that you get a fit to the to the original thing except that the fit is different because it basically this opal modeling has a different properties yeah you just preserve something different a little bit you can tell you a little bit more about this is an old technique which yeah i think he has good many papers or some papers all that so it was my thesis even phd thesis actually there is no piece i think i read it was called spectral transform linear prediction it was my 1st icas paper ever it was in 1983 boston you guys were still in kindergarten right right more less but nobody nobody was using it for anything except it was cute but it was about it and but now it seems like that this since what we are doing here we are normal lpc is fitting peaks right yes but when you are modeling hilbert envelope you do not necessarily want to fit only peaks you sometimes want to get a basically good estimate of the of the envelope so that helps you because in this spectral transform allows you to to find the right balance between how well it fits peaks how well it fits dips and right so i think that basically i do not know what else i mean you should be asking questions right yeah one thing i wanted to know is a good literature on these where you started with i think you can really take those papers from marios yeah they about fdlp about 3 papers that is really enough i have to this is sapa or how it is called sapa and then yeah this is this is then then there are 2 papers in one is in sapa one is in the u interspeech and one is in the american and one was in the asru yes it was from virgin islands what is sapa i do not know i tell you what it stands for statistic and and something and conceptual approach i was on organizing committee i should know but you know and everything approaches perceptual and statistics and perceptual approaches approachs okay okay but there are also reports from idiab i think at least 2 reports from mario seem to me but they are the same right yeah they are more you are same and there is there is some more work actually can be traced down i think they are reading les atlases papers are very good because les atlas is doing a lot of work on the coding in this domain he does not use opl model but he uses dct and then he so unless he is excellent guy he is a very good mathematician very good theoretician basically he is a stanford guy and really he likes to write things well so he is very rigorous as opposed to me for instance so if you read this then you know that there are no errors sometimes it is unreadable i would say yeah but quite difficult so whatever you get hands on from les atlas for over past 5 years we got this 2 years ago last year or one of the ikes he had like 5 papers right all various aspects of this because yeah i think this year i do not interspread there was one paper but it was regarded to speech recognition okay somehow is that so i did not even see yeah yeah it was not something like speech coding or that dct transforms nothing like that also i can before mario is left he he has he had actually left himself but all the files are here and also all the matlab implementations of these are here and there is also one big table that he used to use to use to yeah with all kinds of parameters yeah he was also playing with all these compression factors and lens of that and there is a big table in excel which you can look at all kinds of speech recognition results right yeah yeah it was the 1st time you started using the cluster i remember or some parallel processes it was a big thing here it took a huge amount of time and basically he was the 1st one to realize that these guys are pretty slow to do these things everybody hated him temporarily i remember he just puts here the p make environment and he did not stick to any cluster or anything he just put p make and run it on all the machines here so at some point he was using all the available memory by any mistake you know so in the morning all the machines were just stuck no one could ever move to the house i remember frank came to me and said everybody was computing like marios we would be all dead i said frank but i want everybody to come in like various right yeah so these these results yeah because he was doing everything in matlop so it was again 10 times more demanding than t +and then maybe yes maybe you know i do not it is hard to say no it is not so bad with that if you rewrite it well but he did he wrote it well but anyway anyway because i in the code that i wrote i was like playing also with if the matrix is sparse i really do not use it all i just multiply from here to here from here to here not the matrix my matrix and then i just optimized it a bit and also blast libraries and all these things but okay whatever whatever important you know what i mean this is something which we never talk about right how much work 0 yeah sure it is important for this case but it is true that things sped up tremendously since i came i mean of course partially because they started to buy some more hardware but also some at least some people basically know how to yeah but there is a the back end recognizer which i will give you which is turn around of 18 minutes or well from 11 to 15 minutes normally it would take an hour and a half yeah no no today it was over one hour it is just like 10 times less maybe you are 5 to 10 times less but still still you can 5 times more so do you already know what is the situation with you you go back to prague for a while and then did you get anything in france i got some ideas by the way great i have to talk to you about these i do not know i did not try to anything i did not even mail to hondeljavlotsky i must say i just talked to one girl there which told me that he would be possibly able to find me a job there any any job like related maybe to field but job not not anything any research so if if nothing then then i could be able to get the job so you do not die of hunger yeah probably yeah but yeah that is not the idea yeah we will try something okay so jorge your main basically thing is as i told you to when we were walking that that what whatever patterns that it does not die but it carries and obviously we very much hope that you get into that and you get excited and you do more and or maybe even different things we hope that you find out that everything was wrong and that the potential is much bigger yeah it actually works that too yeah it is not that it does not work no but after you find out the bug then it will be that will be there so we will send you the papers related and i will point you to all the code which i have yeah regarding this fdlp yes and this is all on record so if we yeah he does not hold him into his word actually i can just now tell the the locations of all the files and you can rewind but i was through the meeting yeah yeah that yes so are we doing time wise yeah i think half hour it is fine right yeah any more things well you will be here almost until end of yeah till 24 is the friday november it breaks my heart it is just like i will just start teaching and then i will need an there is no petra svairnski and frater it hopefully makes a pay some extra what are you going to talk or to teach it is just the perceptual stuff it is actually a combination of really combination of 2 classes i was giving at ogi which is like speech processing and perception and so i try to put it together so that it makes some sense do you already know how many students you have students you have no no it is it i should have at least 4 because this is a like graduate school i have one right 0 it is a graduate i have one guarantee that i do not know if anybody else is well i think guillermo was thinking about 3 i mean 4 credits or a total i do not know i do not know if it needs to be for credit or not i do not know how much i like people without not taking it for credit because then they just sit there and having with time but it is okay no no it is okay because in ice it is for credits and germo is taking i think germostaking very good and so i already have at least 2 if i would probably get 4 i would like to go there but not just for credits just maybe to hear something new it is possible that is for sure i mean that is okay yeah the last time it was for me it was good the course from my from one special reason because in the when there were the flats in czech i lost all my papers from my school all the exercise books how to see this yeah the notes in your books yeah all the note pads and everything all notes from any courses so i was remembering what i was learned learned what i was taught at the time so i have it now back at least partially because all the all the algorithms you were speaking about i did not get into too many things actually you know the reason was that at the time we thought i was teaching with erwe and we thought we have much more time and suddenly we ran out of time basically because what happened was that it was supposed to be 3 hour lecture it was only 2 hour lecture and everybody assumed that it is going to run longer or i do not know what he assumed but suddenly we said well so where are you i saw well i am slowly getting into lpc so why we have only 3 more lectures i have to teach hm and everything so i the lpc part was like i had to do it in one hour and then everybody was totally confused i guess also in the in the lab labs the 2 people did not know anything about it and they just followed the papers it was there was this there was a d yeah okay yeah yeah let us see okay guys i think that unless somebody has still anything very important not to this topic yeah but i can come to right it is a little bit up to you you have to you have to back this especially better because just to make sure that but anyway after i am back i will be still on skype and all these things so no problem to contact me until i do not know may next year so it is fine you have seen that you will be done by may is it planned well i would like to yeah i think so yeah we made a mistake i tell you i think if i had to do it again we made a mistake you should have registered you here at epfl you would have had a degree by enough for epfl i was a mistake but i would have to study here for that long time no 3 years you were here how long you were here 2 years yeah i would have to stay one more well it would be good reason for petra that i have to stay here so is she getting another position there or yeah yeah because she has a good position because she has a good position because she has a friend who is starting a lab there and everything is it is a great opportunity for her at least but the problem is then she will go back and there is a family issues and all these things for girls it is always the pain because she has to break for some time at least a little but has to break and in in the science it is not that easy to know to break so in case i need something on this dlp i will come to you 0 sure otherwise i am also much more available than i was i mean when you came it was just like one of the craziest times of this year yeah it is not that i was very productive if i was doing anything useful but it is just like it is a little bit like writing pieces all the time rewriting and make little changes and yeah but i think definitely you are the best person here to with related to availability of you because if i want to go to herva i probably call secretary he is there and when i can many more people to take care of you there was no no every time i came to you we were available typically i try to be because because you know this is also my livelihood right students i have to be sure that they need to know something so feel free basically to stop by any time and it is not that i know everything but if i know i know i think i sort of know a little bit like what you guys were doing i think so but not every detail you know the core which we do not remember remember any more while programming yeah you do not know why you have to do we know the details and you know what is the global stuff why are you doing this ask my boss ask my boss okay my mic is falling so i think we go huh thank you very much yeah come thank you i am going to all if it is a little bit of the other i am going to not i am going to i must you have to see there is a starry it is just one the k n tlisks and they are going to they are going to you will just you will just you will yeah" ]

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[ "a lapel is also there no okay okay okay so should i start yep yeah yeah okay so i think it is better to 1st have a presentation of my work and then we can discuss with this crash in temp in temp what we can do for my future to to continue my research because apparently i i will have serious problems okay so i will start with the presentation of my work you can be sitting here itself and do the presentation yeah okay i start like this then yeah that is better okay so it is my g work is generally about using posteriors in speech recognition systems and somehow enhancing the estimation of posteriors getting new posteriors which are havi which are more informative by somehow integrating some extra knowledge like prior knowledge and contextual information related to the problem and then use this posterior estimation method for designing hierarchical speech recognition system so in this hierarchical arg architecture i will be able to integrate the extra knowledge at the proper level of hierarchy and i will be al also able to combine different kind of knowledge or sources sources of knowledge i have well as you know generally posteriors are estimated using neural networks and more specifically m l p s in a speech recognition system so time limited window of a speech signal is represented by some cepstral features which are then processed by an m l p and it gives us some evidence as in the form of pos phone posteriors then we use these phone posteriors as features or as scores for for either just decoding or d n d training and inference training and then decoding but we know that in this in this case we are not able to integrate contextual information line contextual information and we are not able to integrate the prior knowledge we can have about phone use or about words in the posterior estimation so the main motivation is to see if we can integrate this kind of extra knowledge in the posterior estimation so what is proposed to solve this problem is to use a what we formally use in h m m formalism which is called gamma state posterior i as a posterior for training or decoding so it is well as you know it is a state posterior probablility in a h m m which is defined as the probability of being in a specific h m m state at a specific time having the whole observation sequence and the model so whole observation sequence means having complete contextual information and the mod and the model can encode some kind of prior knowledge for us by means of topological constraints well you know it is this gam gamma posterior is written in terms of forward and backward h m m recursions and actually one way to use this gamma posteriors is using these posteriors as some kind of newer scores for decoding so in this case it will be similar to hybrid method the the difference is that we do one more step maybe i can explain it better there so we do one more step here and we here by means of another h m m we introduce some kind of prior knowledge and contextual information we get better evidences than what i we initially had here and then we do the decoding and the and s more informative posteriors instead of this one so we are expecting to the system to perform better and more robust to noisy cases here you see some results and how how what is the effect of introducing reasonable prior knowledge so different rows in this table are showing different level of noise and also clean speech and different columns are showing different kind of posteriors or gamma posteriors so the the 1st column is showing the our baseline system which is getting estimate of posteriors out of m l p and then d using these posteriors for decoding and the other columns are showing the performance of different kind of gamma so gamma which is estimated using information about minimum duration of phonemes about possible transition between phonemes and some kind some more prior knowledge like which wo like which word is composed of which phonemes and g gram grammatical knowledge ab about transition between words and things like this so as you see introducing more reasonable prior knowledge will h help to have better performance in almo in almost all the cases and here i compare the performance of the gamma base system with the standard h m m g m m system which is based on doing decoding using likelihood as the scores and the difference is that our system use is using posteriors for decoding so as you see s it is working better than the standard h m m g m m system and finally the conclusion is he here we saw how we can get some more informative posteriors by introducing extra knowledge like prior and contextual information and then using this p posterior estimation method to design hierarchical speech recognition system which we are which which the goal is to have a better more efficient and more robust system so if you want now we can discuss about the crash and the loss of data so well i lost all the posteriors i was i i used as input for my system so the gamma are somehow estimated or computed on top of posteriors and now i do not have any posterior and probably the scripts generating that posterior so what i can do okay you go to the table you have there like the big table you told and then we can discuss okay okay so which i think i have all the gammas no especially gamma full models i have gamma full model but what about other ones and what about the f posterior because because i i you know yeah posteriors i cannot stop my resea i i may do something else you know in future with this and well i need posteriors to now you need the different method from how from gammas you can generate the posteriors yeah and posteriors even you have those 3 state perform gammas also you have all these no no i do not have them there were all under temp you you we have that because you stored them huh ah okay okay so so now yeah now you can write another paper if you can yeah you can go back up to the feature you know yeah yeah maybe maybe some other m p h d student should be hired to work on you know the generating gamma up to gammas to posterior i was just let us talk about little about this presentation itself the slide number 6 6 okay okay how you feel it is important that you are taking the context of the whole utterance how important it could be is it not a possibility that you are having less context less context what you mean instead of having context from one to capital d which is for the whole utterance which does not make much sense in general yes so what is a possibility that you can cut the context instead of having the context from yeah you mean a smaller context instead of this that is right might be left or right everything there but not the whole context because it is it is a fact that when you are having one utterance so it one utterances link up full sentence or something and there might not be much breaks in it yeah so in that sense it does not make sense that you are going too much in the past and then you are trying to compute something which is not related yes yeah yeah b well even they can have some information which are not so meaningful or which are not related yeah well but then i will have the problem to find the optimum amount of context how much context should i take kind of let us say idea is usually 100 milliseconds or 12nd i 200 200 millisecond so but for numbers i think it may be okay numbers hardly yeah yeah numbers it might be okay because most of the sentences might be 3 seconds or something 12 even less than that yeah just few words like so but if for or something yeah okay like if it is really long sentence of 10 seconds or something you may not really need so much con that m that match of context to computer commas i know it is really computationally very intensive also like if you use okay yeah that is a good idea that is reasonable okay so when we are talking about them then my story they are the worst i think so pretty much all the posteriors are from you only yeah yeah i cannot generate posteriors yeah and and you do not have scripts for so there is i do not have the c files also presently with me sk ah okay you do you have just your no yeah no my said that enough is enough and what could happen if you do not even have your 0 you know yeah and then i then i would have taken 2 years extension yeah it was it was pretty scary but let us see what happens but al for your case you do not need really complicated posterior you just need some p l p s and then yes yeah you can then you know because if most did it on what numbers and one of couple of c t f experiments right n yeah i for c t s petr still i think have he did not lose anything so no but but ma he is he may be linking to matthew i guess because matthew got the wav files no no no no no i probably might but you got the all the wav files so yeah but the wave file is th that is in the temp only right so so the only thing is that i can recover it back from berkeley yeah so that is what i am saying like yeah icsi yeah yeah so if he got features then it is okay otherwise if he has to generate again he can not generate because even petr has lost a lot yeah he is having only the results with him so he does not have the files the real the real s ones ah because no everything we w if th if they say that we cannot recover it then i can quickly get it back from icsi in a couple of days i can put all the system back here yeah okay but but the p everybody has features in temp only most of the time all the c t s features or c t s wav files so yeah yeah so forget about c t s at least now i think because it is again yeah because even to download that much of data it takes at least one or 2 weeks yeah a lot of time no it i can dow obviously downloading is another thing the only thing is that i have to do is that they have data in one particular structure but segmentation so i have to 1st of all you know organize create tar files and then i can get it back here but you say do you need to do some segmentation also on top of that so and then you have to get the l p p l p features and yeah that i can get all those things okay because tho those files are also very big they are not single files all th all those m yeah yeah but the those files can be recovered easily only thing is that now if they had to say that we cannot recover it they are so there should not be any break yeah the we can wait at least one or 2 weeks for this because it is 11 day 1012 days like this week i can wait and see if they cannot recover it then i can just get all the data from icsi and put back the c t s system but still i think we can not really do these things before icas because yeah no we cannot do so maybe we can concentrate work especially on numbers now and then we can go to c t s yeah so in numbers case what do you really need like just po pi posterior estimated using p l p features for number which i think we can we can rate it yeah basically yeah w we need to generate again p l p s but wave files are there yeah p l p numbers 95 database is there fine p l p they are also last yeah p l p s yeah okay everything that everything is lost and if if you really ask me even the structure which was there real every point by point how p l p is well generated that information is also not there but you are generating p l p s from yeah but the parameters which are exact but at least you f hopefully 95% i know but that 5% yeah yeah that you can del and then we we need to train the new rates because m l p training needs to be done and then only the next step will happen okay so it is it is pretty pretty hol holding is stupid whether we can replicate the results whatever results you are showing whether we can replicate them or not presently it is it is not known but at least yeah you have something to verify their wa yes yeah so so p l p s or these are all 13 just only p l p s not deltas and del you nowadays not that one there is another problem for verifying these results because well for these results you know the the configuration should not well i also saved the configuration somewhere in the temp so exactly how many stays for decoding and which kind of language model and things like this i i think i can remember almost all of them but f it is it is a bit stressful yeah but if you got something from hemant or matthew then i have those number of stage yeah but h he does not like we have then you know like it is only for only close d c l k c l they have 11 no no no no he is using different setup i think no he he got from you only he does not use our setup do you use our setup for the number of states y m yes for the gamma estimation ah i think so yeah so then i have those number of stages okay no no those things i am also having because they were done 2 years back yeah ah okay anything which is done in the last 2 years is the one which is so lost ah so you did not have any p for these p l p s no p l p s or p files from p l p nothing so bu what about this noise levels like we have noise wav files in da da com databases the there is also in com com database yeah so we have directly f wave files with particular noise yeah that is right ah ok see no th those things are not disturbed no no but they are they are they are down in the database section nothing related to the database has been disturbed no but but i think de except the switchboard yeah except switchboard but the switchboard also we have it but only thing is that we do not have all the data we need yeah but but the problem is like all this i think it may not be there in database i guess no no it is dead no they are there 0 okay because it was that now you called the noise x database no no it was it was pre written there no no it w 0 ori originally done ah okay it is in the database itself even with s and r s that is right yeah no no it is even in d v d form we have it that the ah okay then it is okay ah yeah so it that is not a problem so y you it is not that you all the no no i did not do it myself yeah with s and r different s and r s no no no means at l yeah that part is less scary yeah so at least we have wave files so now we can generate anything in the p l p s or so at least yeah so the things which are related to your p l p can be done i think it is it is not such a major problem yeah okay yeah so so as the conclusion there is no major problem except regenera yeah which time for i guess no except except time so you tha m l p needs to be trained and p l p features those how much time we want to spend again to get so it is kind of one5 days work kind of to generate the new files but for all these s and r s so that is also again yeah yeah yeah that will aga means it will light up that is it yeah but all all of it is doable in 34 days time well i also had the of generated posteriors or gammas or things like this which i should regenerate i have the scripts but well it takes time it is c p u and regenerating all these things but okay it is okay so there is no major problem except time deadline of 2 weeks for icas okay and if i do not have to generate any new results i am also on the other side then yeah it is but if i need to generate new results then and anyway there is emotional loss so scripts and code everything written that is no the thing is like you can not really write this k i suppose the code is the real problem scripts is okay like yeah no yeah yeah even scripts also the configurations or you do if you forget something some factor or something it is really because it is yeah yeah yeah means losses are emotional as well as whatever it is there and bla bla but it is tragedy so so raid 5 you have told to the they are they are it is it is it looks like if you get 3 disk gone then it is very difficult to get it well like fine if it is one disk it is fine because at least one is having the mirror mirror which disk 3 disk no one disk there is no problem so it will recache on the mirror but if the 3 disk are gone it is very difficult so i do not know how it went like usually while as soon as one disk fails it should be replaced actually and i dunno so it should be replaced by mayb yeah otherwise it it will go on destroying other disks ah ok so i so the one so they i do not know how it happen you know such a thing like usually as soon as one fails it actually notifies the you know the system administrator or makes certain kind of noise yeah yeah to to make sure that you know it has to be replaced so w if it the disk is not replaced then it w it will fail it will ri it then then it there is a internal recovery if it just r replace the disk there okay it is it it can internally it can quickly recover everything into that disk so so it is like you know if you have a if you have it is kind of like essentially if it is like 12000 g b data space then it essentially will have a hun 200 g b only stu visible data f to you but then it can we as soon as they replace one of those hard disk i it can it can from the other one it can recover everything on that it will have measures like inter internally it can do that kind of thing but if the th if the 3 disks fail then it is it is it is yeah a really difficult job i do not know how it can be recovered probably the one way that they extend the har the hard disk to the people who are experts and they do like sector by sector block by block they try to recover but that is it is very expensive but like this th simple yes the simple thing might cost you minimum €10000 15 something like that but even this maybe really huge data also was it insured any idea i do not know whether it was insured i do not think insurance company will give no no insurance can take care of means anything can be insured in this world nowadays i think maybe some companies definitely do insure you can not really have so many backups but it still means one thing which is a mystery to me whe why temp one and temp 2 were residing on the same hard disk physical no it does because it was not temp one temp 2 but they have the same it has 3 g b 3 disks hard disk category and so you can go up to 14 or something like that but it can be on the same yeah yeah so it means which just partition these but so it tries to put if you it tries to quickly put things if this way that so that and but only thing that only one has the backup so that keep taking up the backup there so it puts everything quickly it can decide wherever it wants to put so it is faster to do that way no no no what i am saying means temp one and temp 2 could have been different systems altogether no i think that soft name they were given the i am saying they could have kept differently yeah but then what are the use of raid then but no raid on both they systems was the problem yeah no but that is what the raid can allow you to have keep up to 14 hard disk it can allow hard disk there there were already 5 hard disks right yeah so it they have 5 and you can go up to 14 if you want to keep there and it can still work and it takes the and the way it look like it it is still tolerant you know the way it it usually it does it if you one this crashes before i if it replace quickly then no problems but we we otherwise unsaved data will start the 1st thing is to get lo lost that is the thing yeah not everybody is going to be scared of temps i yeah no temp temp is no well it is a i think they can they can they can do so then then because th th some some of these people that expert there are couple of experts so they learned itself so if they can easily recover it well to do this kind of thing you know but is it really costly the system is yeah it depends on the job you know sometimes the small hardware thing they might do it to then you know €5000 and all but if it is very much detailed work they will just i it the system the the whole thing starts like this that you have to give your credit card number and sign a form and then only they will start touching your hard disk no no no no no no no no i checked over the net it is not the way you d you send the things to them they will see if they can recover yeah then only they will ask you that this is the quotation no no bu no th they will but if there is no no if they cannot recover they they will send it back no no that is what they say like you do it then send it the hard disk then they will say okay we can do it and then if you do it with only with only yeah no no no 1st they will give you a quotation the they will not go we ho without that it is not means it is a wrong information yeah maybe at least they will give some number others like they can yeah yeah because in the beginning what they say that send us the thing we will look at the things yeah yeah if it is recoverable we will tell you what is the quotation and if it is not recoverable we will send it back to you then what did they estimate of that but means f and i if they they cannot recover it then then what they will they will not charge anything from you for the inspection yeah i think that is yeah yeah yeah at least they they will know m beforehand i think but that is right yeah no it it is up to you know means looking at how much failure has happened yeah yeah accordingly they will tell you whether they can recover or not and in fact if they they can go a lot but you know they can go block by block and look into it and try to recover but that matthew will want to go or not is the question but even like how much important data l sometimes it is just m p 3s or something so you do not really need to yeah yeah yeah yeah and it is like 40 tera fo 4 tera no 4 tera that is 40 tera 4 tera it is like so how much is 4 tera 4000 gigabytes yeah 4000 gigabytes yeah okay 4000 g b s not much yeah it yeah that is a that is a big but now we got something like more than fift is it raid one has more compared to raid 5 no raid 5 is better i think it l it levels no raid one is having exactly f 50% capacity is utilized it is copy ah okay 2 copies of the same thing will be existing that is a raid one but raid 5 is then then 20% copy only that is right yeah raid 5 is 20% ah it is not the other way no so raid one is exactly it is means that is lot of wastage of resources but it is more tolerant and there is no kind of or anything nothing exists there yeah it is a so the disk which has crashed that cannot be recovered that disk which has not crashed it can be recovered completely means if both the disk have crashed for the same data you cannot recover anything yeah yeah yeah yeah if one disk has crashed crashed then you can recover everything yeah it will be then the other disk yeah it will be in the other disk so that is raid one and hemant how how do you want to go about it t if you are given a choice you want to take raid one or raid 5 or a simple laptop no i will say how do you like to go about with icas ah well i i think w after this meeting we can t we can try together to regenerate this well p l p s i think th they should be 1st regenerated then posteriors and if by the end of week we could have posteriors yeah then it is not that difficult i can easily regenerate the gammas and do all the experiments again yeah to what are the experiments you need to do maybe it is a what are the new experiments you are having in your mind again mainly th there would be some experiment to check how the system is robust against these tuning factors like language mod language modeling scaling scaling factor language scaling factor and inversion penalty this will be the main new issue and well but do you feel that is paper material yeah the new thing in the paper and well some and also maybe like this noise is he was no in these cases but but the one which you have reported means you want to report something more than that well actually actually this w this was not in the paper this is not in the paper actually d i put it in the presentation but it is not in the paper ah okay this is the paper was just for clean speech but since i had the results before and i cannot copy these things okay because i t i talked with herve and he said okay actually the numbers are not very reasonable because they are just 13 p l p features and we have to have at least something which is known for people i mean they are expecting something around 9087 or something like this so i anyway i had to re to redo all the experiments but now it is a little bit more difficult because before i had posteriors and now we have 2 more steps p l p s and and and posteriors so yeah okay at least now he can know a full system setup from so might be what i can do i can give you the setup and you can you can generate from bottom train m l p test m l p yes thank you very much yeah thank you very much so now mainly like 39 p l p you were always 39 no i was using 39 yes not sure but then why did this features you gave me like they are 13 0 m i wanted i wanted to extend this well actually the paper we wanted to write was for icas was something related to multi stream gamma you truncated them to no no no no these these these ones like the but okay okay will i i will explain so tha my plan was to have 2 streams and i i i well yeah i so i i thought that okay i one stream will be p l p and the other will be delta p l p s ah okay you did it on only one ah ah okay so this was one part of experiment so single stream and then i wanted to combine deltas with this and have another table so that was why deltas ah okay ah ok but actually because you know the numbers and the study is not sh i it is not showing strong results anyway results are not very important but they should be within a range of acceptable numbers so then for now i think it is better to instead of doing p l p and delta p l p i can have single stream of 39 p l p s and then combine them with traps just to have yeah those results only you reported in interspeech no like 39 p l p results yeah 39 and they were then they were but they were less than 10% or so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah now even the clean speech you are getting so what is this result this is related to your m l m i no no it is interspeech the okay no no this is just these numbers are full p l p 39 okay ah okay but just to make things clear in the presentation to show more steps what is a triphone gammas he use the triphone m l p and get try yeah ah okay your your m l p yeah yeah no n no he gave scale to me then i generated gammas no i i gave yeah even okay even even if you but those gammas will be same as s normalized scale likelihoods right yeah it yeah no no no no no no then the they are through that data from through the they are differently no yeah yeah because i have triphone g m g m m s and h m m s okay th so he gave me scale likelihoods of triphones not scale likelihoods yeah scale like scale likelihoo from t m l p scale likelihood posteriors scale likelihoods from from triphone memory g m m 0 m l p scale likelihoods yeah well yeah so i j i d do i did try it yeah th that is how you do that you are you are having posteriors there right you divided by the okay okay so it is scale likelihoods so then again i will pass through full network then i can generate triphone gammas okay and full network what was the r ch architecture it is like it is no no it is it is just g m m word models ah okay you have all the connections to between all the words like so what are the other things we need to discuss so then 1st thing is like we need to generate p l p s and then all these s and r s p l p s yeah it is amazing that everything was under temp no but i think what i think there is still some data which is recoverable at least they could give us time to i think that the most of those things should be there i can hope it already if they could no it was there on like yesterday morning also like even one day after the crash yeah so i was running some experiments and then it was okay but it is readable only so i can not write anything so yeah no you do not have to write but you could read no yeah so but we do not know like we thought like i thought it is recovering so maybe by tomorrow i will get everything so so if you want a copy again you will have that is all be because of you you came on wrong day from iran yeah you should had come on it would have been okay yeah anyway but yeah still some people are in vacation so they will really they will get a shock of their life yeah sileye will be back and he is not in vacation but he is in italy pedro pedro also might be the one kind of like if they have read their mails he flies to senegal directly yeah so daniel is well in italy yeah but even all over the recent iteration iterate training set in temp yeah everything is lost yeah because like we we s how much we can copy because it is really so many iterations and even we thought of really completing minimal experiment also yeah yeah yeah but it is a major loss no doubt but at least yeah a script are there every scripts like at least scripts are there but so if if they can decode the data on which we want to run the scripts is not there yeah if they can decode at least hemant is p files then hemant can if they can yeah if they can give me my c files then also it is okay yeah but c files yeah even if they give you p files it is really better even you do not really need to ru run all the yeah because i do not need to generate features also yeah yeah it is amazing i n i do not need all my p files just 3 of them yeah yeah you j just only like recent p files at least yeah and what if we have some day a fire in idiap we will lose all the data 0 that is fire will lose all the data you know i mean but they have well i i think w they can and yeah they can d you know store it somewhere nowadays it is not the case no no no they physically also separate the things physically yeah yeah physically it is updated but you know here we can easily have a fire because the everything is made of wood i think and it is small and no i think there is sprinkler or something around here i hope so yeah but still i think i it depends or it is sprinklers in edinburgh they had that big fire and then then what if their sprinklers do not work even even sa several da buildings and all the computers in that building they all burned but they have like 3 backups in the university so all these people they did not really affect much ah huh no it is the university is maybe it is really big so they can afford for yeah yeah in fact they distributed the whole thing around yeah they yeah yeah they want th they will have backup in different and also in in some in underground they may not have it in one place they will not keep it at one place yeah physically at different places yeah so that like file proof or something yeah yeah anyway the good the conclusion is to have a back up and and c d at home yeah maybe yeah no c d s are not enough like no yeah something like that i can recover c d s are not enough that is the problem yeah how much no but because one c d is how much it is not even one g b yeah for example f phonebook i can recover everything on phonebook because i have it on the c d so then c d s are not enough i wrote it once time to copy it to my home and so i have all the data of my c d but i do not know if i had i copied all the numbers that are on that so you are talking about datas or you are talking about data itself the whole feature to everything okay features segmentation every label file everything is there i could recover it back from there actually but but what about home directories or he also kept everything in temp i do not know temp no no he wa he was having locked many things in the proper places yeah but in temp he was not having lot of important things yeah all the experiments which he was running but he he did mostly on numbers no so at least if we can recover we we can read some of his stuff or something no did you locate it it is home or home speech or something look what look for any features or anything are there no i but what we will do with the switches no no he he maybe he might be using same p l p features or something it they are different no no no no no okay that way it might be but the situation is that he he was generating his own p l p features from his own scripts we do not know it his own he was not using using doctor speech ah okay is here he got his own yeah so he was like he was so i would borrowed few of the things from him yeah the f f t routine and reading the signal wave form these things i borrowed from him and i changed and then i put it in my all programs so i i kept the backups but those backups are the them is also on temp i did not i did not know that this this way it can crash because i thought maybe i can do a mistake and wipe out the things and then there is no backup so i cannot blame anybody but i did not know that the whole backup can itself crash yeah yeah so now in in my life i will never believe anything which is temp not whether it is temperature or whether it is temporary hey because just few few days back i took a backup of my laptop fearing the same thing but then i did not realize that i should take a backup of only good thing is that the numbers i think i pretty much can recover all the even the f triphone experiments yeah reverse because i think i have kept those labels all those things in the speech directory a p file of it 0 then it is good you know like we do not really nee so it is easier to it all back all those labels and everything yeah so but your p l p is also like p l p should be there i re should have kept the p l p also somewhere tha then we just need to run your neural net only yeah but p p p l p s are like hardly few minutes li p l p is hardly anything yeah n the the extra work on is like you know converting the segmentations from monophone to triphone this kind of thing then the all the scripts are there in the temp file that kind of thing ah i like no no no no no which which scripts from posteriors to s forced alignment no what you do is like you have the segmentation to train that for monophones right yeah you can you can convert the same thing into triphone segmentation because there is monophone and triphone they are not different yeah yeah except that you are just going to give a different label to them p depending on the context so it is easier to convert that segmentation directly here rather than now ugh you know you say the point that if you lose one so so the thing is that i have to recover means i have to recover through the pho no monophone segment segmentation to triphone segmentation and then the whole thing but but you still need to run all the nets no l yeah it is okay th that numbers it is very fast so it is no problem it is no but it is it is not i think at least it takes 2 hours or 3 hours i think yeah so it is yeah 3 years 2 to 3 years yeah you can not parallel also that is the problem yeah but right now you the thing is that right now you know almost what is the like the which will give you the best is also you can cont instead of running it not in all cases that is the problem which people are facing yeah because everything was written then and there itself means even if the optimisation has been done they did the optimisation there and they they worked on that started working on that he they did not write it with pen or something on a paper or saying that okay this is the best optimisation yeah yeah yeah so for example if he want repeated all these results then he ju he need to use all ma hemant is p l p configuration then that is really yeah because if i change my configuration and your results are somewhere else yeah the results will be then you do not you do not know well anyway let us recover it okay ho let us hope the best so how much time we have spent i think i think we have spent yeah for 3540 minutes it is yeah okay so this is good enough thank you okay yeah okay thank you thank you thank you okay fine okay fine have a good day you too it is all it is all we have to leave fast" 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[ "i am going to i am going to i am going to i am going to little apple is also that yeah okay okay okay okay so should i start yeah yeah okay so i think it is better to 1st have a presentation of my work and then we can discuss with this crash in temp what we can do for my future in fact to continue my research because apparently apparently i will have serious problems okay so i will start with the presentation of my work you can be sitting here itself and you do the presentation okay that is better okay so it is my work is generally about using posteriors in speech recognition systems and somehow enhancing the estimation of posteriors getting new posteriors which are having which are more informative by somehow integrating some extra knowledge like prior knowledge and contextual information related to the problem and then use this posterior estimation method for designing hierarchical speech recognition systems so in this hierarchical architecture i will be able to integrate extra knowledge at the proper level of hierarchy and i will be all also able to combine different kind of knowledge or sources sources of knowledge i have well as you know generally posteriors are estimated using neural networks and more specifically mlps in a speech recognition system so time limited window of speech signal is represented by some capsule features which are then processed by an mlp and it gives us some evidences in the form of phone posteriors then we use this phone posterior as features or as scores for for either just decoding or the training and inference training and then decoding but we know that in this in this case we are not able to integrate contextual information as long contextual information and we are not able to integrate the prior knowledge we can have about phonemes or about words in the posterior estimation so the main motivation is to see if we can integrate this kind of extra knowledge in the posterior estimation so what is proposed to solve this problem is to use what we formally use in formally which is called gamma state posterior as a posterior for training or decoding so it is well as you know it is a state posterior probability in which is defined as the probability of being in a specific state at a specific time having the whole observation sequence and the model so whole observation sequence means having complete contextual information and the model and the model can encode some kind of prior knowledge for us by means of topological constraints well you know it is this gamma posterior is written in terms of forward and backward recursions and actually one way to use this gamma posteriors is using these posteriors as some kind of newest scores for decoding so in this case it will be similar to hybrid method the difference is that we do one more step maybe i can explain it better there so we do one more step here and we here by means of another we introduce some kind of prior knowledge and contextual information we get better evidences than what we initially had here and then we do the decoding and and more informative posteriors instead of this one so we are expecting the system to perform better and more robust to noisy cases here you see some results and how how what is the effect of introducing reasonable prior knowledge so different rows in this table are showing different level of noise and also clean speech and different columns are showing different kind of posteriors or gamma posteriors so the 1st column is showing the our baseline system which is getting estimate of posteriors out of mlp and then using these posteriors for decoding and the other columns are showing the performance of different kind of gamma so gamma which is estimated using information about minimum duration of phonemes about possible transition between phonemes and some kind some more prior knowledge like which word like which word is composed of which phonemes and grammatical knowledge about transition between words and things like this so as you see introducing more reasonable prior knowledge will help to have better performance in almost all the cases and here i compare the performance of the gamma based system with the standard gmm system which is based on doing decoding using likelihoods at the scores and the difference is that our system use is using posteriors for decoding so as you see it is working better than the standard hmmgm system and finally the conclusion is here we saw how we can get some more informative posteriors by introducing extra knowledge like prior and contextual information and then using this posterior estimation method to design hierarchical speech recognition system which the goal is to have better more efficient and more robust system so if you want now we can discuss about the crash and the loss of data so well i lost all the posteriors i was i i use as input for my system so the gamma are somehow estimated or computed on top of posteriors and now i do not have any posterior and probably the screen generating that posterior so what i can do you go to the table you have there like the big table with all that then we can discuss so which i think i have all the gamas know especially gamma full models i have gamma full model but what about other ones and what about the posterior the posterior because i you know i cannot stop my research i am i may do something else you know in future with this and well i need posteriors to know you need the different method from how from gamas you can do that most serious even you have those 3 state performed gamas also you have all these no no i do not have them they were all under 10 we have that because you are stored them okay so no yeah no you can write another paper if you can you know maybe maybe some other phd students should be higher to work and gamma is to be generating gamma i was just let us talk a little about this presentation itself the slide number 6 how you feel it is important that you are taking the context of the whole utterance how important it could be is it not a possibility that you are having less context less context instead of having context from one to capital d which is for the whole utterance which does not make much sense yes in general so what is a possibility that you can cut the context instead of having the context from you mean a smaller context instead of this might be left to right everything there but not the whole context because it is a fact that when you are having one utterance so one utterance is like a full sentence or something and there might not be much bricks in it so in that sense it does not make sense that you are going too much in the past and then you are trying to compute something which is not related yeah well even they can have some information which are not so meaningful or which are not related yeah well but then i will have the problem to find the optimum amount of context how much context should i take kind of let us say hennix idea is usually 100 milliseconds or 12nd so for numbers i think it may be okay numbers hardly yeah numbers it might be okay because most of the sentences might be 3 seconds or something even less than that yeah just few words like so but for ctes or something like if it is really long sentence of 10 seconds or something you may not really need so much that much of context to computer gamas and it is really computationally very intensive also like if you is okay yeah that is a good idea that is reasonable okay so when we are talking about them then my stories are the worst i think so because yeah all the posteriors are from you only i cannot generate posterias and so there is and you do not have scripts for i do not have the c files also okay you do not you have just your theories yeah no god has stopped my my work he has said that enough is enough and what could happen if you do not even have your theris yeah then i would have taken 2 years extension or you would have yeah it was pretty scary let us see what happens but for your case you do not need really complicated post you you just need some plps and then yeah you can read and read it because it mostly did it on what numbers and one of a couple of on see experiments right yeah i have for cts peter still i think has he did not lose anything number but my he is he may be linking to matthew i guess because matthew got the wave files probably might but you got all the wave files so yeah but the way file is the in the temp only right so you so that is what i am saying that i can recover it back from yeah so if he got features then it took otherwise if he has to generate again he can not generate even path has lost a lot he is having only the results with him so he does not have the files the real the real if they say that we cannot recover it then i can quickly get it back from in couple of days i can put all the system back here but everybody has features in tempo and most of the time all the cts features or cts v files so so forget about cets it is at least no i think it is again to download that much of data it takes at least one or 2 weeks no i can now see downloading is another thing but taken i have to do segmentation they have a data in a particular structure so i have to 1st of all you know organize create our files and then i can get it back here but you said you need to do some segmentation also on top of that and then you have to get their p plp features and yeah that i can get all those things okay because those files are also very big they are not single files yeah but there are no be recovered easily only thing is that now if they have to say that we cannot recover it yeah the we can wait at least one or 2 weeks for this bosc one day 12 days like this week i can wait and see if they cannot recover it then i can just get all the data from xc and put back the but still i think we can not really do these things before i guess no we can so that is like maybe we can concentrate what especially on numbers now and then we can go to cts so in numbers case what you really need like just for fear poster you are the estimated using plp features for number where at least we can yeah we need to generate again plps but we files are there yeah plp numbers 95 database is there plps are also last yeah everything everything is and if if you really ask me even the structure which was there real every point by point how plps were generated that information is also not there but you are generating plps from fecal yeah the parameters which are exact but at least hopefully 95% i know but that 5% yeah that you can not really and then we we need to train the new weights because mlp training needs to be done and then only the next step will happen so it is it is pretty pretty whole whole thing is stupid whether we can replicate the results whatever results you are showing whether we can replicate them or not presently it is not known but at least yeah you have something to verify there yeah so so plps or these are all 13 just only plps not deltas and deltons no there is not delta and there is another problem for verifying this results because well for this result you know the configuration the configuration should not well i also save the configuration somewhere in the temp so exactly how many states for decoding and which kind of language model and things like this i think i can remember almost all of them but it is it is a bit but if you got something from hammond or met then i have those number of states like we have there no like it is only for only close dcl kcl they have no no no he is using different setup i think no he got from you do you use our setup for the number of states for the common estimation yes i think so then i have those number of states no no those things i am also having because they were done 2 years back anything which is done in the last 2 years is the one which is so you did not have any p 5 this plps no plps or p files from plp so what about this noise levels like we have noise wave files in their com databases so we have directly wave files with a particular noise added yeah that is right no those things are not disturbed they are all in the database section nothing related to the database has been disturbed no but i think except the switchboard yeah except switchboard also we have it but one thing is that we do not have all the data we need but the problem is that we do not have all the data is like all these snrs i think it may not be there in database no no they are there because you added already like all the noise it was it was pre written there even with snrs that is right okay then it is okay even a dvd form we have it yeah so that is not a problem so it is not that you are added all the no i did not do it myself with snr different snr so means at yeah that part is less scary so at least we have wave files so now we can generate anything in a plp so at least so the things which are related to your plp can be done i think it is yeah it is not such a major problem yeah so so as the conclusion there is no major problem except yeah yeah so it is how much time you are going to spend again mlp needs to be trained and the plb feature so it is kind of one5 days work kind of to generate the new points but for all these ssrs so that is also yeah that will like it means it will add up that set but all all of it is doable in 34 days time i also had the store thus of generated posterior or gamas or things like this which i should regenerate i have the scripts but it takes time it is cpu and regenerating all these things but okay it is okay so there is no major problem except time deadline of 2 weeks for icasp okay and if i do not have to generate any new results i am also on the other side then but if i need to generate new results then and anyway there is emotional loss so much of scripts and code no the thing is like you can not really write this script especially the code is real problem scripts is okay yeah even scripts also the configurations or if you forget something some even pre emphasis factor or something it is really means losses are emotional as well as whatever it is there man are and blah blah but strategy so so rate 5 you have told to the yeah it is it looks like if you get 3 disks gone then it is very difficult to get it which is like fine if it is one disk it is fine because at least one is having the no one does that is no problem mirror so it will recover from the mirror but if the 3 disks are gone it is very difficult so i do not know how it went like usually as soon as one disk fails it should be replaced actually so it should be replaced by yeah otherwise it will go on destroying other days so the one so they i do not know how it happened you know such a thing like usually as one fails it actually notifies the you know the system administrator or makes certain kind of noise you know maybe to make sure that you know it has to be replaced so why if the disk is not replaced then it will it will then there is an internal recovery if you just replace the disk there it is it can internally it can quickly recover everything into that disk so so it is like you know if you have if you have it is kind of like essentially if it is like 12000 gb there are data space then it essentially will have a 100 gb only visible data to you but then it can as soon as you replace one of those hard disk it can it can from the other one it can recover everything on that it will have mirror internally it can do that kind of thing but if if the 3 days fail then it is it is a really difficult job i do not know how it can be recovered probably they one way that they extend the hold the hard is to the people who are experts and they do like sector by sector or block by blog that i do recover but that is it is very expensive but the 2 ladies yes a simple thing might cost you minimum 10 but even this may be really huge data also was it insured any idea i do not know i do not think insurance company will give you no insurance can take care of means anything can be injured in this world loud is i think maybe some companies differently they will insure otherwise like you can not really have so many backups like servers but this still means one thing which is misduring to me why temp one and temp 2 were residing on the same hard disk no it was because it was not temp one temp 2 but they have the same it has 3 gp 3 disk hard disk category so you can go up to 14 or something like that but it can be on the same so it means it is just partition so that so it tries to put if you it tries to quickly put things if that is very that so but only thing is that only one stripe has the backup keep taking up the backup so it puts everything quickly it can decide wherever it wants to go so it is faster to do that way no no no what i am saying means temp one and temp 2 could have been different systems all together no i think that is a soft name they have given the i am saying they could have kept differently yeah but then what is the use of rate then no raid on both the systems what is the problem no but that is what the rate can allow you to keep up to 14 heart days can i think is that there are already 5 hard disk right yeah so they have 5 and you can go up to 14 if you want to keep there and it can still work and it takes and the way it looked like it is still fault tolerant you know the way it is but to be really it is that if you one disk crashes before if it is replaced quickly then no problems otherwise unsaved that i will start the 1st thing is get lose lost yeah now everybody is going to be scared of temps yeah i know everybody is going to be scared of temps yeah i know temp is no well it is anyway i think they said then they can do because some some of these people are experts there are a couple of experts in switzerland itself so if they can easily recover it probably to do this kind of thing but is it really costly the system is yeah it depends on the job you know sometimes it is a small hardware thing they might do it within you know €5000 and all but if it is very much detailed work they will just the whole thing starts like this that you have to give your credit card number and sign a form and then only they will start touching your hard disk no no no no i checked over the net it is not the way you you send the things to them yeah they will see if they can recover then only they will ask you that this is a quotation no but if there is no no if they cannot recover they will send it back no no that is what they say like you do it then send it the hard disk then they will say okay we can do it and then if you do it no no 1st they will give you a quotation they will not go without that it is not it is a wrong information maybe at least they will give some number other list yeah yeah because in the beginning what they say that send us the thing you look at the things if it is recoverable we will tell you what is the quotation estimate of that and if it is not a corridor we will send it back to you but means and if they cannot recover it then then what they will they will not charge anything from you for the inspection yeah at least they do know beforehand that is right how far they can go yeah it means looking at the how much failure has happened accordingly they will tell you whether they can recover or not and in fact if they they can go a lot but you know they can go block by block and look into it and try to recover but that much you will want to go or not is a question but even like how much important data like sometimes it is just mp 3s or something so you do not really need to and it is like 40 terra for 4 terra no 4 terra i guess like there was so how much is 4 terra 4000 gigabytes yeah 4000 gigabets okay 4000 gb not much yeah that is a big but now we got something like is it right one is more fault in tests compared to rate 5 no rate 5 is better right no rate one is having exactly 50% capacity is utilized it is copy 0 okay 2 copies of the same thing will be existing that is rate one but rate 5 is then 20% copy only that is right rate 5 is 20% it is not the other way no so rate one is exactly it means that is a lot of wastage of resources but it is more fault tolerant and there is no parity kind of or anything nothing exists there so that this which has crashed that cannot be recovered that the disk which has not crashed it can be recovered completely means if both the disk have crashed for the same data you cannot recover anything if one disk has crashed then you can recover everything it will be there in the other disk it will be in the other so that is read one anyway how do you want to go about it if you are given a choice you want to take red one or red 5 or a simple laptop i would say how would you like to go about with i casp well i think after this meeting we can try together to regenerate this well plps i think they should be 1st regenerated then posterior and if by the end of week we could have posterior then it is not that difficult i can easily regenerate the gommas and do all the experiments again so what are the experiments you need to do what are the new experiments you are having in your mind mainly there will be some experiment to check how the system is robust against this tuning factors like language model language modeling standard language scaling factor and world insertion penalty this will be the main new issue and well you feel that this paper material yeah the new thing in the paper and well so maybe like this noise is no easy cases but the one which you have reported means you want to report something more than that this is not in the paper actually this was not in the paper i put it in the presentation but it is not in the paper okay the paper was just for clean speech but since i had the results before and i cannot copy these things because i talked with hegwe and he said okay actually the numbers are not very reasonable because they are just 13 plp features and we have to have at least something which is known for people i mean they are expecting something around 9087 or something like this so anyway i had to redo all the experiments but now it is a little bit more difficult because before i had posterior than now we have 2 more steps plps and then posterior at least now he can know a full system set up from so why be what i can do i can give you the setup yes thank you very much you can generate from bottom train the mlp test the mlp thank you very much so now mainly like yeah 13 and plp you are always using 39 no i was using 39 yes but then why did these features you gave me like their 13 you truncated them to i wanted to extend this well actually the paper we wanted to write was for icas was something related to multi stream gamma but no no this this this one is like i will explain so that my plan was to have 2 streams and i i i did it all only one yeah i so i i thought that okay i one stream will be plp and the other it will be delta plp so this was one part of experiment so single stream and then i wanted to combine deltas with this and have another table so that was what but actually because you know the numbers and studies it is not showing strong results anyway results are not very important but they should be within a range of acceptable numbers so then for now i think it is better to instead of doing plp and delta plp i can have single stream of 39 plps and then combine them with traps yeah those results only you reported in interest speech you know like 39 plp results yeah they were that is where they were less than 10% no even like clean speech you are getting what is this result this is related to mlmi no no it is inter speech that no this is this is okay these numbers are full plp 39 okay but just to make things clear in the presentation to show more steps what is the tripod gommers he is the type of mlp and get a good 0 okay you are your mlp no he gave scale likelihoods to me then i generated gamas okay even but those gamas will be same as normalize the scale likelihoods right no no no they are differently they are passed me through the data from that hm yeah because i have trifone gmms and hm okay so he gave me scale likelihoods of triphons not scale likelihoods yeah scale likelihoods yeah scale likelihood from from trifone member g m no mlp is skill like lutes yeah well you are having posterias there right yeah so i i i i you are divided by the priors yeah okay okay so it is still then again i will pass through full network then i can generate triphoon gamas and full network what was the it is like architecture no no it is just gmm word models you have all the connections to between all the words like so what are the other what are the other things we need to discuss so then 1st thing is like we need to generate plps and then all these snrs plps yeah it is amazing that everything was under no but i think what i think there is still some data which is recoverable at least they could give us time to i think that most of those things should be there i can copy it already if they could no it was there on like like yesterday morning also like even so i was running some experiments and then it was okay but it is readable only so i can not write anything no you do not have to write but you can read yeah but we do not know we thought like i thought it is recovering so maybe by tomorrow i will get everything so because if you want to copy again you will have this is all because of you you came on wrong day from iran you should have come on chumma it would have been okay yeah anyway but yeah still some people people are in vacation so they will really they will get a shock of their life see they will be back and he is not in a vacation but he is in it through maybe they will not come back in there right their heads he flies to senegal directly so daniel is married italy yeah but even all over the recent iteration iterative training set up is in time because like we so much we can copy because it is really so many iterations and even we thought of really completing many more experiments also yeah yeah but it is a major loss no doubt but at least yeah scripts are there every script like really scripts are there but so if if they can record at least hammond is p files then amitken yeah if they can give me my c files then also it is okay but c files yeah even if they give you p files it is really better even you do not really need to run all the yeah because i do not need to generate features also yeah it is amazing and i do not need all my p files just 3 of them hey just only like reset p files at least and what if we have someday a fire in ediap we will lose all the data that is anywhere fire will lose all the data i mean but they have well i think nowadays that is not the case no no no they physically are also separate yes they can you know the story but you know here we can easily have a fire because the everything is made of wood i think and it is small and yeah sprinkler something around here i hope so but still i think i did it too in edinburgh they had that big fire and then when what is there in sprinklers do not work even even server that building some all the computers in that building they all burnt but they have like 3 backups in the university so if people they did not really affect much because universities maybe it is really big yeah so they can effort for the whole thing around yeah they will not keep it at one place yeah they will have backup at different physically at different places and also in some in underground so that like fire proof or something yeah and you need care for me to have you know yeah maybe yeah anyway the good the conclusion is to have conclusion is to have a backup on the on cd at home no cds are not enough cds are not enough yeah how much because one cd is how much it is not even one g b so then cds are not enough phone book i can take on everything on phone book because i have it on a cd i wrote it once upon time to copy it to my home and so i have all the data of my cd i do not know if i had i copied all the numbers that on that you are talking about data data itself the whole feature to everything feature segmentation every label file everything is there i can recover it back from there but whatever it is some iqbal is home directories already he also kept everything in no no he was having a lot many things in the proper places yeah but in temp he was running a lot of important things yeah all the experiments which he was running but he he did mostly on numbers no so at least if we can recover if we can read some of his stuff or something did you look at his home iqbal or home speech iqbal or something look what look for any features or anything or there what we will do with his features no no no he maybe he might be using same plp features or something no no no no no okay that way might be but the situation is that he was generating his own plp features from his own scripts he was not using doctor speech ah okay he got his own yeah so he was like he was so i borrowed few of the things from him the fft routine and reading the signal waveform these things i borrowed from him and i changed and then i put it in my all programs so i kept the backers but those backers are themselves on them i did not know that this way it can crash because i thought it might be i can do a mistake and wipe out the things and then there is no backup so i cannot blame anybody but i did not know that the whole backup can itself crash so now in my life i will never believe anything which is temper whether it is temperature or whether it is temporary because just a few days back i took a backup of my laptop fearing the same thing but then i did not realize that i should take a back over only good thing is that the numbers i pretty much can recover all the even the trifone experiments because i think i have kept those labels all those things in my speech directory a p file of it then it is good like we do not really need so it is all back all those labels and everything so but your plp is also like plp should be there i should have kept the plp also somewhere there then we just need to run neural net only neural not only yeah but p p plp so like hardly few minutes plp is hardly anything yeah the extra work on is like you know converting the segmentation from monophone to tri phone this kind of thing then they all the scripts are there in the temp for that kind of thing which which scripts like from posterous to no no no no no what you do is like you have the segmentation to train that for monophone right yeah you can you can convert the same thing into a typhone segmentation because there is monofone and triphor there are no different except that you are just going to give a different label to them depending on the context so it is easier to convert that segmentation directly here rather than now you know you see the point that if you lose one so so the thing is that i have to recover means i have to recover through the phone no monophone segment segment or tripe on segmentation the whole thing but you still need to run all the nets you know yeah it is okay that is a number that is very fast no but it is not i think at least it takes 2 hours or yeah 3 hours i think are in and you can not parallelize also that is the problem the thing is that right now you know almost what is the like the bond which will give you the best result so you can control not in all cases that is the problem which people are facing because everything was written then and there itself means even if the optimization has been done they did the optimization there and they they worked on that started working on that they did not write it with pen or something on a paper or saying that okay this is the best optimization so for example if he want to replicate all this results then he need to use all my hammond is plp configuration then that is if i change my configuration then your results will be your results are somewhere else then you do not know where anyway okay let us recover it let us hope the best so how much time we have spent i think we have spent 35 40 minutes ago okay so this is good enough thank you okay thank you fine have a good day good day so we have to leave 1st so we have to leave 1st" ]

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[ "so i will open our functional design meeting so i will play role of the secretary as also program ma manager so we will have the 3 presentations from the in industrial designer user interface designer and industrial design what is your talk marketing expert okay marketing experts and after that we will have the new product requirements the decision on the remote control functions and we will close the meetings after so i suppose the 1st to do the presentation will be the user interface designer okay so you are participant 2 11 no no no no you are one no i am participant one 33 it is 3 sorry i i think i am a okay never mind okay kay did you save your presentation in one in one sorry yeah is not that technical functions no sure so you did not save it maybe it is mine it is david jordan alright so name is jordan course so david jordan yeah so i will i let david jordan do his presentation okay no no this one does not want to be moved i think too great for email then okay so the 1st i will present the technical function design for user interface for our remote t v control yeah i i will focus on user interface design so move to the next slide as we know our remote c rem remote t v control it is very has very soph sophisticated functions as we show from this picture there is a lot of functions over i think over s 12 or 20 s functions of a remote t v control so how can we design a user interface with so sa with so many sophisticated functions let us move to next slide yeah so i so we want to design elegant easy to use inter interface a very good example is google as we know google it is a very successful because his powerful function but with very easy to use user interface so move to next s slide so my job is to design a google t v controller which i want to have sophisticated functions while with very easy to use user interface so that is the end of the talk the end of the presentation so you propose to to have the remote control which will be powerful with sophisticated functions but with very yeah powerful so powerful many functions and very easy to use yes yep so i dunno it is maybe difficult to have both i mean the the one on the right does not look so simple and to merge the 2 system huh yeah yeah you mean this one yeah yeah you have to learn the manual before using this remote control i suppose yep but if we have very very good user interface but but this is yeah it take less time for user to learn how to use it yeah and then yeah yeah you maybe you have some international standards where you know if you can use one is the other are or almost the same so the sign 0 you mean for the yeah pic pictograms or things like that yeah yeah for example i dunno here escape you know you have escape in computers you have so if you see escape you know that it should be the same 0 it should okay yeah so you have to the sh the user there for example the power off button it is something very international you know that the user should know so yeah such as maybe the yeah so go on go back and yeah but the question is how to merge you know the google system to the system alright yeah that is going to be the trick yeah that is my job that is your job that is my job it is not the easiest i have got to it you so you will propose us something which is yeah so powerful and easy to use yep okay okay powerful and easy to use so that is the point yeah that is the point so next i propose the industrial user interface to present things okay okay so you you are participant 2 yeah okay the rationale must be design or so baba is the the industrial designer okay so we can move to the next slide as you all know you know m my job is to design you know to give an industrial design of the remote control so the re basically the remote control will be you know infrared control so the problem is how to relate the how to relate the remote control device like for example this one i h i am holding in my hand and the t v so this one is leather bu based but i propose a nifra infrared base you know so so for me i think that it is better it is bet it is better to control t v so you know so it is it will be cheaper and it is less technology than you know for the cheap price we have for the cheap price we want to true so you mean that infrared control is a cheap technology i think it is cheaper than laser so yeah okay do y you know the requirements for the remote control 12 nearly 13 yeah what the cost is the cost yeah i think for the cost we want for the cost we want it is better to have 1212 a half let us see yeah you can move to the next slide so so the di the differen the findings you know what you find inside the re i the the system here inside it is just you know a bulb and an infrared bulb so here for example the infrared bulb will be here and the bulb it will be somewhere inside that might just so you can go to the next slide okay i have some kind of pictures you know here you have the b the bulb it is a blue the blue stuff here and the infrared and the infrared bulb it is the red stuff you know and so and you have the other subcomponent that are not really here so important yeah so what is this this is in fact some other component that are in between the electrical de the electronic device okay look but here what i wanted to emphasize it is just you know the bulb and okay so and the next slide it is the last one it is so it is i think it should be wire wireless re remote con because you know it is easier to manage and you know because you f the b the the battery problem can hold you know will you use a battery or the a wire to connected you or maybe some kind of thing that we can have both but you know i at my side prefer a wireless okay okay so if you have some question i did not answer okay what is the average price of this technology then well the avera the average prices i think that this technology will cost i dunno around €8 so or at least you know the so what the wireless remote control there is a wire with remote control you would yes you can it is so so bres you have to decide how how you will you know put some energy inside so you can think about wireless or you know it is it is a question that we can raise so we can think that you know with the wire you know without a wire we can have both also okay so you think that a cable between the remote control and the t v will not be a good idea okay okay no it wou maybe it will be cheaper i dunno i just may maybe you making a solu but this is what you would like to ask the user 1st and i do not think the user would be ready to have a yeah but wireless remote control yeah but some pa i do not think well yeah i do not think he would but in a sense i always want to have you know sometime i want to have wire because you know yeah but as industrial designer do you think that it will be feasible to have linked or to have link between the remote control and the television i am just asking you do you think it will be cheaper i do not think it will be too much could you answer please okay have to think about the question you know cause it is i think that you know you can always you know okay i think wha wha with the wire it is cheaper but you know the wireless it is more practical so yeah but i think the wireless problem is more the david jordan is problem as it is yeah the wire yeah true okay yeah i think it is more your problem mayb maybe you have just to to kind of research or try to ask people if they will like something wireless or not that is my job okay i am sorry that is the so now the yeah but it should be an agreement you know because even if you can think of the wireless it is it is it is the job of the the the g graphical user designer but you know if it is a lot cheaper and if you want to reach for example some the the money you have if you want to use so it can be good to have a wireless it it is a question okay so just think of the usability right so design a wireless remote control yeah just think of the problem if when you have wireless remote control and if you lose it yeah yeah i think it is would be easier to have a link between the remote control and the television yeah well that is actually one of the point yeah true this you will see in my presentation then so i will let you to do your presentation so yeah okay which is participant 4 so just trying to answer all the questions if the user would be happy to have something or something else we have made a study so could you go to next slide sorry for the functional recurrence so that is the standard method for marketing okay we had 100 subjects we observe their remote control use in a lab and then after all the experiments they had to fill up a questionnaire and see what was okay or not for them okay so then it is some statistics about what we observed and what they answered actually 75% of the users find m the most remote controls ugly okay so that is you mean the loo the look the outside the look how it look like okay yeah the the look is is bad for them so it is your job david maybe then 80% of users would spend more money actually if if the remote controls were not so ugly so this is where we could have yeah good market i guess if people are ready to pay more yeah so it is it is interesting information i think and then yeah the remote controls like the one you have shown previously it is not so does not fit the user requirements sometime because it is too many buttons and so on so we should change this as well and users are actually zapping a lot so they are using the device intensively that is something to take into account as well and you know 10% of the buttons are actually used in the remote control and this is one of the main point for me but i will come back to it later kay could you go next slide so as you said remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room so this is from the experiments we have done so if we could solve this problem this would be interesting for the user i think it takes too much time to learn how to use the remote control for 35% of the people and remote control are really bad for r s i problems for 26% of the users what is r s i r s i is like when you are using the same doing the same movement several times then you get injured yeah ah okay okay so those numbers are less important then the previous one but still it has to be taken to count so last slide so my president personal preferences for this problem is we have to meet the user needs if we can make it look fancy then we might sell more than our concurrent okay okay and definitely if it could have less buttons still maybe the same number of functions functions but less buttons this would definitely be a good way of selling more okay okay so okay and just to have an idea do you think you as the user interface designer to would it be possible to have less buttons and still have the same functionality and to have powerful remote control you think it is possible yeah sure yeah i think possible yeah because we can we can mix several function in one button yeah so lets you then you have less buttons yeah but do you think it will be easy to use but i am not sure because if you have many functions just for one button it would be quite difficult for the user to know yeah remember the user is not happy to read the yeah i think the the manuals manual it is no you you can have a switch menu so you can yeah but it has to be intuitive well for example yeah i think so like for for example you can you can category the function i i into several classes then for you can have a switch menu so you put the switch menu to it it tend to this kind of this category of functions yeah okay okay but then you you put the switch button then it switch to another category of functions yeah for example if you have remote control you you can rem you can control your t v and also you can control your recorder with a so there is a different functions but i if you you there is a button you can switch between control t v and control your recorder so we can has less buttons yeah but but what i am not so sure is about how to make the remote control look funny look fancy not funny look fancy this is a question that should be asked to the because different people have a different opinion about fancy you know if you ask the people maybe the the marketing people yeah yeah this is something we sh because maybe a colorful is fancy for some people but maybe simple and uniform colorful is fancy for some for other peoples so but this was 1st step and this was the 1st step yeah i think the solution is to have many colors of you know instead of having one gray standard yeah but i think it will increase the price of the production of the remote control specially distribution yeah yeah yeah maybe yeah maybe if you need to have special colors for remote controls it will cost more yeah personalized color because you know yeah it will cost little bit more yeah because maybe some people prefer a red remote control some people prefer black remote control yeah yeah yeah yeah but this is what we would ask to the users so and also f maybe we can have di di we can have several options so user can select which color they prefer so yeah yeah but as soon as you speak about options it means that the price increases yeah remember it is €12 and we do not really want the price to be too too high because we want to be able to produce it so we want something fancy as previously said florent something very easy to use powerful and also as it is written here 75% of users they zap lot so maybe just having many functions in one button is not that good if you want to zap a lot and they do not really want to zap between functions of their remote control they want to zap between channels on t v so i think you have quite lot of points to to think about and to discuss it with the other members yeah yeah yeah so is it okay for your presentation nothing else to to add yeah it is done just yeah if we would if we could remember like not too many buttons and make it look fancy i think it would make it okay so so i had some so new information about the product requirements so you will have to take care of it of it in your thinking in your designing of the remote control so the 1st one is that for the designing of the remote control we do not really want to use the teletext anymore as it is something that is it is is lame or no yeah because now everybody has internet at home so it is better to use internet then teletext yeah so you will have to think about it in your in in the design of your remote control yep and also the remote control will only be used for television so for y for you your designing you are not you will not be you will not had buttons to just to manipulate yeah to control the recorder or maybe the garage door or things like that control it is because if we want to to do remote control which will be used for for the television for the recorder for the camcorder and all the others it will become too complex and it will increase the pli the price and we can not do that we really want to focus on the remote control for the television is it okay okay but there is balance between function and the cost so maybe it will be easier for you to to design it to have very powerful and easy yeah okay and also we want the image of the real reaction be recognizable in the product such as the color and s the slogan yeah i mean that is if you want to buy a remote control and if you go in a shop and if you see the remote control you will recognize directly that s it is our product hm so you will have to use the color of the product of the okay of the of real reaction okay so and also so has to be yellow yeah yellow as we say we put the fashion in electronics so it has to be a fashion remote control okay fancy fashion powerful easy to use require lot of requirements but yeah for cheap remote control yeah and cheap yeah a low cost yeah but that is your your job to find something matches yeah yeah cause what i am thinking is how will you will connect the t v to internet so this is i do not think it is part of the remote control design anyway maybe not but mayb it is maybe more in browsing yeah but this this mean that your t v would be able to you know connect to internet you know surf the web yeah there is that box in 0 of it yeah a pi there is that box in the t v so with the set box you you can connect internet with your t v okay ok hm it is it is not so popular now it is pop i do not think it is popular so that is the problem so you had i if you are designing a remote control for you know the global usage so if people do not have the technology global okay so so everybody is okay with the new requirements so i i so as as for the color what what do you think i think it has to be yellow yellow yeah do you think that people like the color yellow yellow t v remote control min maybe you can change the color but the image of the society has to be recognized okay okay yeah i think if you have you know th like a yellow ribbon here is the double r why you go it has to be fashion or should be yeah so does not need to be completely yellow but just okay so you have to yeah it has to be a fashion and really be the image of the society just when you enter you say 00 it is real reaction think it is a re reaction remote control so okay okay okay and also it has to be attractive of course because if you want to sale to sell the remote control it is okay regarding the 1st line what so we are just expecting no more use of the teletext yeah and that is it yeah but i dunno but why nobody is a threat to me it is already changed for i think it would be simpler okay so i will close the meeting just after that we will have lunch break and you will have in 30 minutes individual work y you you will have as the i d i do not remember what is industr industrial designer to put pon yeah industrial designer yeah industrial designer component component yeah and the user interface designer to work on the user interface concept okay and florent to work my subject yep and so specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach okay it is okay yeah i think the session is closed good and by the way mister david jordan please record your presentations in your own folder okay okay that is clear okay not in mine okay should be better" ]

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[ "i am sorry i am gonnae i am fine ready see yeah it is better yeah so i will have in our functional design meeting so i will play the role of the secretary as also program manager so we will have the 3 presentations from the industry designer user interface designer and some designer and marketing experts and after that we will have the new project requirements the decision on the remote control functions and we will close the meetings after so i suppose the 1st to do the presentation will be the user induced presentation will be the user induced will be the user interface designer okay so you are a participant 2 one no no no you one no i am a participant one but i am in my house okay never mind okay did you save your presentation in one so yeah this yeah technical functions i am not sure so you did not save it maybe yeah it is my 0 it is david jordan so david jordan so david jordan yeah so i let david jordan to his presentation okay no this one does not want to be moved i think she will play it for you maybe so 1st i will present the technical function design for user interface for our remote tv control i will focus on user interface design so move to the next slide as we know remote tv control has very sophisticated functions as we show from this picture there is a lot of functions over i think over 12 or 20 functions of a remote tv control so how can we design a user interface with so many sophisticated functions let us move to next slides yeah so we want to design a to design elegant easy to use in the interface a very good example is google as we know google is very successful because it is a powerful function but it is very easy to use the interface so move to next slides so my job is to design a google tv control which i want to have sophisticated functions while it is very easy to use the interface so that is the end of the time so you proposed you to have the remote control which will be powerful with sophisticated functions but it is very powerful many functions and very easy to use yeah but it is maybe difficult to have both i mean the one on the right does not look so simple yeah you mean this one yeah you have to learn the manual before using this remote control i suppose yeah but if we have very good user interface it takes less time for user to learn how to use it and maybe you have some international standards some international standards where you know if you can use one is the other are almost the same so the sign are you mean for the yeah pictograms or things like yeah for example i do not know here escape you know you have escape in computers you have so if you see escape you know that it should 0 okay yeah the user should know the user there for example the power of button it is something really international you know that so yeah and so such as maybe go on go back the question is how to merge the google system to the system yeah that is my job that is my job it is not easy it is easy it is easy so you will propose something which is so powerful and easy to use yeah power and easy to use so that is the point ok so next i propose so next i propose the industrial user interface to present things so you are that is on true yeah okay wait a little baba so what is your name so baba is the industrial design yeah designer designer okay so you can move to the next slide as you all know you know my job is to design you know to give an initial design of the remote control so basically the remote control will be you know infrared control so the problem is how to relate the remote control device like for example this one i am holding in my hand and the tv so this one is laser based but i propose a infrared based so for me i think that it is better it is better to control tv so it will be cheaper and it is less technology than you know for the cheap price we have so you mean that infrared control is a cheap technology technology i think it is cheaper than leather yeah you know the requirements for the remote control 12 or nearly 13 yeah i think for the cost you want for the cost you want it is better to have so yeah you can move to the next slide so the different the findings you know what you will find inside the the system here inside it is just a bulb and an infrared bulb so here for example the infrared bulb will be here and and the bulb it will be somewhere inside that manages you can go to the next slide i have some kind of pictures you know here you have the bulb it is the blue the blue stuff here and the infried and the infrared and the infrared it is the right stuff here and so and you have the other sub component are not really here so important what is this this is in fact some of the components that are in between the electronic device but here what i wanted to emphasize is just the bell bent and the next slide the last one so i think it should be wireless remote because it is easier to manage and you know it is easier to manage and you know because if the battery problem can hold you use the battery or the wire to connect you or maybe some kind of things that you can have both but you know i myself prefer a wireless okay if you have some question i did not answer what is the average price of this technology then the average the average prices i think that this technology will costs around €8 so only you know the wireless remove control there is the wire remote control yes it is a problem is you have to decide how you will put some energy inside so you can think about wireless or you know it is a question that we can rise we can think that with a wire without a wire we can have both okay so you think that a cable between the remote corner and the tv will not be a good idea okay now maybe it would be cheaper i do not know i am just maybe making silly this is what you would like to ask the user 1st and i do not think the user would be ready to have a vardis remote control yeah but i do not think it would work in any sense i always want to have you know sometimes i want to have wire because yeah but as industrial designer do you think that it will be feasible to have linked or do you have a link between the remote control and the television i am just asking you do you think it will be cheaper i do not think it will be actually could you answer please i have to think about the question you know i think that you know you can always you know i think with the wire it is cheaper but you know the wireless it is more practical so yeah but i think the wireless problem is more the david jordan is problem as it is the wire yeah yeah true i think it is more your problem maybe maybe you have just to to kind of research or try to ask people if they will like something wireless or not that is my job okay go sorry no so yeah but it should be an agreement you know because even if you can think the wireless it is it is the job of the graphical user designer but you know if it is a lot cheaper and if you want to reach for example some the money we have if you want to use so it can be good to have wireless it is a question okay right so just think of the usability desire of wireless remote just think of the problem when you have a wireless remote control and if you lose it i think it would be easier to have a link between the remote control and the television that is actually one of the point yeah true this you will see in my presentation then so i will let you to your presentation which is participant for so just trying to answer all the questions if the user would be happy to have something or something else we have made a study so could you go to next slide sorry for the functional requirements so that is the standard method for marketing okay we have 100 subjects we observed their remote control use in a lab and then after all the experiments they had to fill up a questionnaire and see what was okay or not for them okay so then it is some statistics about what we observed and what they answered actually 75% of the users find the most remote controls ugly so that is you mean the look the look yeah the look is bad for them so it is your job david maybe then 80% of users would spend more money actually if the remote controls were not so ugly so this is where we could have yeah good market i guess if people are ready to pay more so it is interesting information i think and then yeah the remote controls like the one you have shown previously it does not fit the user requirement sometimes because it is too many buttons and so on so we should change this as well and users are actually zapping a lot so they are using the device intensively that is something to take into account as well and you know 10% of the buttons are actually used in a remote control and this is one of the main point for me but i will come back to it later later could you go to the next slide so as you said remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room so this is from the experiments we have done so if we could solve this problem this would be interesting for the user i think it takes too much time to learn how to use the remote control for 35% of the people and remote control are really bad for rsi problems for 26% of the users what is rsi rsi is like when you are using the same doing the same moment several times then you get injured okay so those numbers are less important than the previous one but still it has to be taken to count so last slide so my personal preference is for this problem is we have to meet the user needs if we can make it look fancy then we might sell more than our concurrent and definitely if it could have less buttons still maybe the same number of functions but less buttons this would definitely be a good way of selling more so okay and just should you have an idea do you think you as the user interface designer it would be possible to have less buttons and still have the same functionality and to have powerful remote control do you think it is possible yeah i think it is possible yeah you can mix several functions in one button yeah so then you have less buttons yeah but i am not sure but you think it will be easy to use because if you have many functions just for one button it would be quite difficult for the user to know remember the user is not happy to read the manual you can have a switch menu so you can it has to be intuitive yeah i think so for example you can category the function into several classes then you can have a switch menu so you put the switch menu to it tend to this kind of this category of functions then you put the switch button then it switch to another category of functions for example if you have a remote control you can control your tv and also you can control your recorder so there is different functions but if there is a button you can switch between control tv and control recorder so you can have less buttons but i am not sure it is about how to make the remote control look funny look fancy fancy this is a question that should be asked to the because different people have different opinion about fancy if you ask the people maybe the market people yeah this is something we maybe a colorful is fancy for some people but maybe simple and uniform color for fancy for some for other people so the solution is to have many colors of you know instead of having one gray yeah but i think it will increase the price of the production of the remote control yeah yeah maybe yeah if you need to have special colors for remote controls it will cost more color because yeah it will cost a bit more because maybe some people prefer a red blue contour some people prefer black yeah but this is what we would ask to the users so and we can have several options so user can select which color they prefer yeah but as soon as you speak about options it means that the price increases and we do not really want the price to be too high because we will not be able to produce it so so we want something fancy as previously said florent something very easy to use powerful and also as it is written here 75% of users they zap a lot so maybe just having many functions in one button is not that good if you want to zap a lot they do not really want to zap between functions of their remote control they want to zap between channels on the tv so i think you have quite a lot of points to think about and to discuss with the other members so is it okay for your presentation nothing else to add yeah it is done just yeah if we would if we could remember like not too many buttons and make it look fancy i think it would make it okay so i had some new information about the project requirements so you will have to take care of it in your thinking and your designing of the remote control so the 1st one is that for the designing of the remote control we do not really want to use the teletext anymore as it is something that is lane yeah because now everybody has internet at home so it is better to use internet than teletext yeah so you will have to think about it in the design of your remote control and also the remote control will only be used for television so for you for you designing you will not be you will not have buttons to just manipulate yeah to control the recorder or maybe the garage door or things like that it is because if we want to do a remote control which will be useful for the television for the recorder for the camcorder and all the others it will become too complex and it will increase the price and we can not do that we really want to focus on a remote control for the television is it okay but there is balance between functioning and the cost so maybe it will be easier for you to design it to have very powerful and easy and also want the image of real reaction be recognizable in the product such as the color and the slogan i mean that is if you want to buy a remote control and if you go in a shop and if you see the remote control you will recognize directly that it is our product so you will have to use the color of the product of them of the reaction and also so it has to be yellow yeah as we say we put the fashion in electronics so it has to be a fashion remote control fancy fashion powerful easy to use quite a lot of requirements for cheap remote control yeah yeah a low cost yeah but that is your job to find something what i am thinking is how you will connect the tv to internet i do not think it is part of the remote control design maybe not it will be more in browsing yeah but this means that your tv will be able to connect to internet you know serve the web yeah there is a set box in the tv so with the set box you can connect internet with your tv okay but it is not so popular now it is popular i do not think it is popular so that is the problem you are designing a remote control for you know the global usage so if people do not have the technology so so so everybody is okay so everybody is okay with a new requirements as for the color what do you think i think it has to be yellow yellow yeah yellow do you think that people like the color yellow remote culture maybe you can change the color but the image of the society has to be recognized okay yeah i think if you have you know like a yellow or one here is the double art it just to be fashion yeah so so you have to be completely yellow but just yeah it has to be a fashion and really be the image of the society okay just when you enter you say 0 it is a real reaction think it is a real reaction okay remote control and also it has to be attractive of course because if you want to sell the remote control okay it is okay regarding the 1st line what so we are just expecting no more use of the normal use of the teletext yeah and that is it yeah i do not know why no use of teletex maybe so what would it change for i think it would be simpler yeah okay so i will close the meeting just after that we will have lunch break and you will have in 30 minutes of individual work you will have as the idea i do not remember what is industrial designer to put and the user interface designer to work on the user interface concept and florent to work on the user interface concept and florent to work can i subject and so specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach it is okay yeah yeah i think the session is closed good thank you and by the way mister david jordan please record your presentations in your own folder okay not in mine it should be better okay that is okay okay okay okay good okay okay that was a funny one it was a funny one now please now it was very good" ]

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[ "so welcome the 1st kick off meeting what shall we do 1st the opening then the rest what are we going to do we m have to make a new remote control it has to be original trendy and user friendly so we will get back th on that 1st we have to make a functional design after that we have to make a conceptual design and then after that a detailed design so we will discuss that later 1st we have a look at so 1st to we have to make a small painting what have do we have to do 1st you can save the documents we have to do that every time we make something you can print it no and we have to use the pen and the eraser so now we all have to use this one you have to make your own favorite animal so i will make an example yep 1st do not touch that things you can use the pen and then you can make nice something you can change some things format line and change it and you can change the color an elephant so that is it so so and after it you have to save it okay now we can make a new one you have to paint now 0 so you are next kay well we will try where it going that is strange what is going on pop ups what are you what what is this pictionary a bird is a it is a it is a bird a duck so now save yeah yes now blank blank yes yeah yeah okay next one okay whoo let us try this yeah yeah 0 0 not 0 okay okay yeah no problem shit happens i am not getting anything on my screen now okay a parrot wow ish 0 he did it before no no yeah okay nice 0 very good blank thank you okay very good so you can always go back so that is it so that was 2 now next the budget the b we will sell the t at €25 and we have only 20 of €125 to make it so now we have to think about what we will make 1st i want to hear from you what are your experiences with remote controls so i will start f 1st big one they are not easy to use i have one set and a remote control when i dropped it it broke so that will not be our goal i think no and g big buttons m that is easier to use than i think not all the small buttons you do not know is this positive or negative that big buttons big buttons positive positive all all small buttons like when you have like a 100 buttons on your remote control you will not know what they are working for okay what are your experiences well i think the the the goal of a remote control is that it is it it has an influence on the t v set and that it controls the channels and the the volume and i i i think it is positive if there is a a led a led on the corner of the of the remote so that you know it s it still has batteries on it in it and that if you push the button the led gives a light and and you see that it is working and yeah so and do they always have that yeah but no no no but i my my experience is that it it it is convenient to have that it is easy to you yeah okay yeah kay at home we have a t v a video recorder a d v d player and a satellite receiver we have 4 distinctive remote controls for that thank you that is not really ea easy help also so it would be nice if we have one for all thank you and we also had a remote control for our radio set but i it it had a lot of buttons on it and you did not know which one was what and it was v not easy to use so we n barely used it okay so they have too much so next for our own remote control we have to think how do we make it so what ideas do you have for it for the new remote control what what does it have to have the weight not not too heavy not too heavy not much buttons yes yeah bust free that when you drop it it will not break like some kind of rubber on it or hard hard plastic buttons not too small something like when you lose your remote control sometimes it happen yes it between the couch and you can not find it when you push a but a button on the t v then you hear some some sort of bleep like a phone and then you hey there there is remote control yeah okay yeah so that is next yeah well that is that are good ideas yeah well the led on the corner that that indicates that it is working if you push a button yeah and looking on the budget not too expensive material so probably plastic or something okay yeah i think it from a marketing point of view it also has to look nice or you will not sell it yes and yeah on our website we can see what products we already have and it should work with as many as possible of them okay this is it has to be compatible with other things yes okay i have one more idea just popped up yes it it will not take a lot of batteries so you do not will not have to change the batteries once a week or once every 2 weeks no battery use so more ideas no no okay it is only the 1st ideas so what are we going to do now is next meeting is in half an h hour okay next meeting half an hour what you have to do well look on your and next instructions you will get in your email so this is the 1st meeting see you later in half an hour yes okay okay thank you" ]

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[ "what a beep okay okay very good hapsa hatsa so yeah yeah so that is it so let us get started in english very good english okay so welcome the 1st kickoff meeting what shall we do just opening then the rest what are we going to do we have to make a new remote control it has to be original trendy and user friendly so we will get back on that 1st we have to make a functional design after that we have to make a conceptual design and after that a detailed design so we will discuss that later 1st we have a look at that screen the 1st tool we have to make a small painting what we have to do 1st you can save the documents we have to do that every time we make something you can print it now and we have to use the pen and the eraser so now we all have to use this one you have to make your own favorite animal i will make an example 1st do not touch that thing you can use the pen and then you can make something you can change some things format line and change it you can make and you can change the color an elephant so and after it you have to save it now we can make a new one you have to paint now so you are next why no this is a pictionary a bird a duck now save yeah yeah now blank blank yeah okay next one okay let us try this yes sorry it is disturbance but your network is going to go 0 not i hope i can take it so you can write it on the pen i try and fix it so you can continue after the other no problem sorry about this shit happens i am not getting anything on my screen now just press the on button okay a parrot yes he did it before i am okay nice very good blank thank you i am i am thank you i am okay very good you can always go back so so so that was the tool now next the budget we will sell it at €25 and we have only €125 to make it so now we have to think about what we will make 1st i want to hear for you what are your experiences with remote controls so i will start big one they are not easy to use i have one said a remote control when i dropped it it broke so that will not be our goal i think and big buttons that is easier to use i think i think not all the small buttons it is positive or negative that are big buttons big buttons positive all small buttons like when you have like a 100 buttons on your remote control you will not know what they are working for okay what are your experience well i think the goal of a remote control is that it has an influence on the tv set and it controls and the volume and i think it is positive if there is a lead on the corner of the remote so that you know it is it still has batteries on it in it if you push button the lead gives it light and you see that it is working and yeah so do they always have that no no no but my experience is that it is convenient to have it easy to you yeah okay at home we have a tv video recorder dvd player and satellite receiver we have 4 distinctive remote controls for that that is not really easy so it will be nice if you have one for all thank you we also had a remote control for radio set but it had a lot of buds on it and you did not know which one was what and it was not easy to use so we barely used it okay so you have too much so next for our own remote control we have to think how do we make it so what ideas do you have for it for the new remote control what does it have to the weight not not too heavy not too heavy not much buttons bust free that when you drop it will not break like some kind of rubber on it or hard plastic but it is not too small there is something like when you lose your remote control sometimes it happens between the couch and you can not find it when you push a button on the tv you hear some sort of bleep and then you hey there is remote control remote control okay alright yeah well the lead so next yeah well that is the good ideas yeah well the lead on the corner that that indicates that it is working if you push a button yeah looking on the budget not too expensive material so probably plastic or something okay yeah i think it from a marketing point of view it also has to look nice or you will not sell it will not sell it and you know on our website we can see what actually we already have and it should work with as many as possible of them okay it has to be compatible with other things yes i have one more idea just popped up it will not take a lot of batteries so you do not have to change the batteries once a week or once every 2 weeks no battery use so more ids no okay it is only the 1st ideas so what are we going to do now is next meeting is in half an hour okay next meeting half an hour what you have to do look on your fancy and next instructions you will get in your email so this was the 1st meeting see you later in half an hour okay thank you see you see you later i am i am going to i am" ]

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[ "TS3010a" ]

[ "how do you wear this thing not too many cables and stuff original is recorded okay okay so welcome everyone so we are here for the kickoff meeting of the process of designing a new remote control so i will 1st start with a warm welcome opening stuff then we will see what will be our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it and then we will discuss if we have few ideas and we will end by dispatching the different task you will be you will have to fulfill to complete this process so just one thing you said 25 minutes but i have something else to do so got to have another meeting soon so maybe you could hurry up a bit sorry it is true i have another meeting so if you could you have another meeting soon yeah so you have to be quick yeah for the lawnmower project okay okay so the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user friendly so the design step will be divided in 3 main points 1st it will be the functional design 3rd is the conceptual design and then is the desired design so the functional design is to identify the main user needs the technical function the remote control should fulfill and then we will move to f conceptual design where we will specify the different component involved what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different trend in user interface and stuff like that and then the desired devi design will consist in specifically implementing and detailing the choice we have made in the 2nd point so i will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to each of us to to draw your favorite animal on the white board what an original idea do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us orangutan okay that is good no no n n n can i give you the no you should but i do not have to say anything when i am drawing the orangutan if you want to react about this wonderful drawing i will let you comment it is an abstract drawing of an orangutan okay it is an abstract drawing yes i think it is nice and original you should write y the name i think i do not have a red color usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but i do not have red pen so okay yes you want to draw something christine okay sorry you have to imagine a little bit this of course your animal is recorded so it is not lost sorry too yes i know is this wha what is this strange beast is it beautiful is it a monster do you know it is a cat it is a cat is not it i thought these things did not exist yes yes is it like that me ah yeah is it better ah yeah ah okay it is pretty yeah okay it is my cat okay it is your cat does have a name yeah the name is caramel caramel caramel ah ha yeah okay olivier do you want to and you i think i am too short for the cables okay i go but next time you will do something i am sure next time i concentrate i am a bit short on cable okay so what could i draw maybe i can draw like a very simplified cow i do not know if it looks like a cow he looks like a bong like a what okay sorry no quite squarey scary i dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact i would say he also i i think we will be finished this okay so i hope that it helps you in the process of designing a remote control is it for for putting a for logos no okay that is let us move on so here the financial objective of our project that is to say to to have a production cost lower than €125 and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of €50000000 i is there a matter for a new remote control yeah if it is trendy original i d fulfill the user needs is it a single device remote control or is it a multi device remote control we have to discuss that point ah this is not defined at all on yeah you you can suggest points like this ah okay so what what so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple so what is what are your ideas about that maybe i can have the your opinion from the marketing side well do we sell other stuff if if we bundle the remote control with something to sell then it could be a single device otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us okay so if it selled by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device yeah do you agree yeah so maybe it should be for multiple devices and do you have any ideas of design ideas or any technical requirement we we should fulfill i think we should not have too many b for my part no i couldn i cannot fi think of any requirements right now i think if we do not have so many buttons could be nice few buttons okay and do you have it also to be to be lighted in order to be used in the dark might be a good idea yeah okay and do you have any any idea of the trend the trend in domain what it should not it should look like or things like that something which is not squarey maybe not a box with rou okay like for okay something like that least fits in your hand yeah yeah okay the basic requirement so fit in your hand yeah only a buck and also it have i it may be it may be important for the remote control to be to to resist to various shocks that can happen if it fall waterproof water proof as well and i think we should have a device maybe it is original because you can use it in your in your bath whereas the others can not maybe water proof would be very original sorry havin having a water proof remote control so that the people can use it in their bath that could be b it seems so but if you do not have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f yeah but it is still something you have to buy and that is not maybe very and and that is one of the that is one of the shock i mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it is going to break and they put some extra plastic around it yeah mayb that is people they actually do it themselves b but maybe we can bulk it with already this plastic thing and the waterproof stuff as well yeah directly i it will look a bulky in that case yeah yeah maybe we can sell all that together so so plastic protection and and a waterproof box as well that might be good track to follow like as an optional thing optional or selled with it and i i think we should have something most of the time i i lose my remote control we should have s special bu button on the t v to make the remote control beeping yeah maybe we can have but we do not design the t v ah yeah maybe we can have something you whistle and the remote control beep yeah barks barks yeah barks yeah so we can have a whistle remote control yeah yeah whistle i do not know whistle able whistle tracking th whistle tracking yeah whistle tracking remote control that is a good idea that is very original and that is can improve that is that is quite cool but of course we you do not normally need any audio recording stuff on your remote control right yeah d d so i it is just going to add t to the cost yeah but s still we have to we have to have an advantage over our competitors i think this is a good advantage it is cool i think i like the idea but i am not sure about the what you who is giving who is giving who is giving our budget yeah we have to ask who is yeah we have to ask the quest of that is design to the industrial designer yeah yeah yeah which is you kay yeah okay so try to find that for next meeting okay okay so next meeting is in 30 minutes or so do not panic do not pani so so i will ask the industrial designer to find out more about this industrial design so any working any working function we have discussed so then i will ask the user interf interface designer to to think about the point we discussed like the number of buttons the the fact that is lighted or not things like that and what would be convenient for the user and also i will ask the market expert to try to find out what are the absolute requirements what is absolutely needed in a remote control for the user so and then i will just ask you to think about that and look at your mail because you will receive some good advice soon so thank you i think that is all for this point good thank you so we come back in 5 minutes half an hour anyway you will receive some messages be careful you eat it does it move okay but i do not know if it is still correctly we will see ah" ]

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[ "so i do not get to wear these 0 how do you wear this i am too many cables on stuff original it is recorded okay so welcome everyone so we are here for the kickoff meeting of the process of designing the process of designing the design a new remote control so i will 1st start with warm welcome opening stuff then we will see what will be our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it and then we will discuss if we have few ids and we will end by dispatching the different tasks you will be you will have to fulfill to complete this process so just one thing you said 25 minutes but i have something else to do so we have another meeting soon so you could have a bit it is true i have another meeting so you have another meeting soon yeah so you have to be quick yeah for the loanmower project okay okay so the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage of our competitors we have to be original we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user friendly so the design step will be divided in 3 main points 1st it will be the functional design 3rd is the conceptual design and then it is the design so the functional design is to identify the main user needs the technical function the remote control should fulfill and then we will move to conceptual design where we will specify the different components involved what kind of user interface we want and what are the different trend in user interface and stuff like that and then the detailed design will consist in specific implementing and detailing the choice we have made in the 2nd point so i will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for each of us to draw your favorite animal on the white wall what an original idea do you have any idea of of which animal you want to show us urang cutan okay let us go no no do not you will you should i do not have to say anything well man bring if you want to react about this wonderful drawing i will let you comment it is an abstract drawing of a ranc tank okay it is an abstract drawing yes i think it is nice and original you should write the name i do not have a red usually your rancutans have read here so this is very important i do not have a pen okay you want to draw something okay sorry you have to imagine a little bit this of course your animal is recorded so it is not lost not lost yes i know sorry too what is this what is this strange beast is it a monster do you know it is a cat is not it i thought it is things did not exist yes it is like that 0 yeah it is pretty okay it is my cat okay it is your cat does have a name the name is caramel caramel caramel okay what do you want to i think i am too short of pepper cables okay i go but next time you will do something i am sure next time i can sit there i am a bit short in the game okay so what could i draw maybe i can draw like a very simplified co i do not know if it looks like a co looks like a bong like what okay so quite squaring it is scary it looks more like a donkey in fact i would say okay so i hope that it helps you in the process of designing a remote control is it for putting a for a logo or no okay let us move on so you are the financial objective of our project it is to say to have a prediction cost lower than €125 and have a selling price of twice that price in order to target a profit of €50000000 is there a market for a new remote control yeah the original and fulfill the user a single device remote control or is it a multi device remote control we have to discuss that point ah this is not defined at all yeah you can suggest points like this so what what so we have to decide for example if you can control one device or multiple so what are your ideas about that maybe i can have the opinion have the opinion from the marketing side if we bundle the remote control with something that we sell then it could be a single device otherwise it could be programmable one or otherwise who would buy a remote control from us okay so if it is sell by its own it it would rather be for multiple devices yeah do you agree yeah so maybe it should be for multiple devices and do you have any ideas of design ideas or any technical requirement we should fulfill i think we should not have too many for my part i cannot find anything of any requirements right now if we do not have so many buttons it could be nice few buttons okay and do you have it also to be like to be lighted in order to be used in the dark might be a good idea yeah okay and you have any any idea of the trend the trend in the domain what it should it should look like or things like that something which is not square really maybe with wrong box okay like for okay that at least fits in your hand okay yeah the basic requirement so fit in your end yeah and your pack and also it have it may be it may be important for the remote control to be to to resist to various shocks that can happen waterproof as well and i think we should have a original because you can use it in your in your bath whereas the others count maybe waterproof would be very original sorry having a waterproof remote control so that the people can use it in their bath it seems so but if you do not have any waterproof remote control we can just cover it with some plastic and it becomes water yeah but it is still something you have to buy and that is a and that is a and that is for the shock i mean there are people that have the remote control and they are worried that it is going to break and they put some extra plastic around it yeah maybe that are worried they actually do it themselves but maybe we can bulk it with already this plastic thing and the the waterproof yeah yeah maybe we can sell all that together so so plastic protection and and the waterproof box as well that might be good track to follow like as an optional i think optional or selling i think we should have something most of the time i lose my remote control we should have a special button on the tv maybe we can make the remote control but we do not design the tv maybe we can have something you whistle and the remote control a bit a bit barks yeah blocks yeah so we can have a whistle remote control yeah whistle i do not know whistle label remote control whistle tracking whistle tracking yeah whistle tracking remote control that is a good idea that is very original and that can that is quite cool but of course you do not normally need any any audio recording stuff on your remote controller right yeah the do it is just going to add to the cost yeah but still we have to we have to have an advantage of our competitors i think this is a good advantage it is cool i think i like the idea but i am not sure about what you yeah who you have to you have to ask you a budget yeah we have to ask the cost of that design to the industrial designer which is you okay so try to find that for next meeting okay okay so next meeting is in 30 minutes so do not panic so i will ask the industrial designer to find out more about this industrial design so any working function we have discussed so then i will ask the user rentified the user interface designer to think about the point we discussed like the number of buttons the file that is lighted or not things like that and what would be convenient for the user and also we will ask the market expert to try to find out what are the absolute requirement what is absolutely needed in a remote control for the user so and then i will just ask you to think about that and look at your mail because you will receive some good advice soon so thank you i think that is all for this point thank you thank you in 5 minutes half a minute no no no no you will receive some messages you are not i am not only one i am not only one does it move though does it move probably but i do not know if it is still correctly well i will see woltz i am tight to not move no brogan you can not" ]

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[ "is everyone ready to start yeah yes yeah okay great well welcome to the 3rd meeting of conceptual design i will just get the powerpoint presentation up and running okay on the agenda for this for this particular meeting we will have your 3 presentations on what you have done since our last meeting after we came up with some general ideas of our design and then we have to make some key decisions on on our remote control concept and how we are going to make it what materials we are going to use and that sort of thing the meeting will be 40 minutes long okay and we will once again have poppy as our 1st presenter okay alright and i will switch up powerpoint thank you okay should be just loading okay 0 although i can not see it on my screen that says go here okay i have been doing some research into the different components that we could use what is available to us f to actually make the remote control 1st of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made and what is it happens inside the casing which is more your field thes main internal feature is a circuit board which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source which is not necessarily a battery as we are about to see there are several components of the circuit board that we need to consider where we will be getting them from what they will be made of including the integrated circuit which is also known as the chip which is where all the main information is contained diodes transistors resonators resistors and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well and all their positioning in the circuit are they all included like mandatorily or r are these different options these they are all different options they are all separate apart from the chip yeah which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple a regular advanced we can go into that later all the other things are individual components that we would have to get in separately and work out the most like effective circuit including all the wires and everything like that and the l e d of course that is a light emitting diode so we could so we have got flex flexibility with colors and things with that as well okay there are lots of different possibilities for the energy source we could use a basic battery but that brings with it like they need to be recharged and the bulk the size of it as well and they are not so great to dispose of environmentally there is a hand powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torches 50 years ago a bit out of date kinetic energy is something that has been recently developed what is a hand powered dynamo where you manually charge up the power like you wind up something just every every once in a while sorry just every once in a while or constantly yeah every once in a while i think but it is alright it would be kind of strange to always be cranking it i think yeah yeah it would be like going a step back in time i do not think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology no whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that is being used by some watches and other devices where you just shake the device and it gives it power i mean the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work or there is solar power which we have been considering inside a building which is where it is going to be used might not be quite so useful right but good to look into renewable energy always the way lots of considerations for the case like what sort of shape it would be curved or flat that has got a lot to do with the ergonomics like how it is comfortable and s sits in the hand we do not want something that is huge and you can not pick up or too small or too slidy i know i have had a remote control before which you could not tell which was the front and the back cause it had so many buttons on and the shape was so symmetrical that i would be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button because you can not really see which way round it is right we also can choose what materials the we could use metal we could use rubber which might be more ideal for the anti r s i it is like the same sort of rubber that is used in stress balls and things like that so it is very like soft not so stressful on your hands wood again stepping back in time again there i do not think that is quite up to date with what we are looking for here yeah titanium is not going to be possible even though it just it beyond our budget really but would have been maybe for future projects right our choice for buttons as well we have developed some we have got some good advances in technology with our research team have found some new multiple option scroll buttons i think that was brought up for they are basically quite a flexible design modern you do not have to use individual buttons you can just slide up and down i am sure we are all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads yeah one thing with the scroll buttons though it it we would have to have an l c d yeah that is true display and the glow in the dark thing and that would lead to an advanced yeah if we have yeah might be difficult we are going on to that later with the advanc with the l c d that means we would need a really advanced chip yeah and it is unlikely that that is going to be in our budget also we have got the integrated pushbutton which is what we are most familiar with it is the most straightforward but you can in like incorporate that with a scroll button as well got decisions to make there and this is what i was just saying before linked in the different depends on what type of buttons we have and the inputs simple would go with the pushbutton regular you could link with the scroll button and the advanced we would have to go with a l c d s display right my personal preferences i think we could go for the kinetic energy source i do not i think that is quite an advanced kind of technology it is not been seen before so it could be quite a a novelty factor attractive as well and also energy saving cause you are producing the energy you do not need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels you just give it a shake yeah sounds brilliant to me rubber casing i thing would probably the best if we are going for the anti r s i and like more choice with esthetics like it could be pretty much any color we want and gives you yeah more flexibility there and probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple then we could possibly have the scroll and the push but no l c d cause we probably can not afford that one yeah one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these chips and diodes and delicate technology as like as the exterior this is the one thing that is protecting its innards i think that would there would be an in sort of more internal casing and the rubber would just be the what is in contact with the human yeah yeah another thing is it might be more difficult if it is a rubber exterior talking about putting on interchangeable plates yeah is it i do not see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there like if it was sort of like a clip on plastic plate it would work that way maybe if the if it was just kind of a more of a rubber coating which was on to a case w so it was kind of the whole thing would be removable like plastic with rubber kind of on top yeah like i can not think of what yeah well there is there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing b like a nokia it is yeah yeah or like an you can get sort of outer casing for ipods and something that is just it is protective as well it is yeah yeah like the skin yeah it it stops it i mean it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something as well cause it would not damage itself so easily yeah alright i think i maybe a mixture of both there maybe so maybe the okay yeah yeah so the actual remote would be hard plastic and the casings rubber and then yeah yeah yeah okay and the buttons obviously are rubber yeah yeah yeah okay yeah that sounds good i is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber as far as i know it should be okay we will just say yeah yeah yes just why not yeah yeah alright i like the kinetic energy source idea yeah i thought that was i do not know when people will be moving a remote around a lot yeah tha but i think that it is worth it kinetety kinetic energy source it could make an we could have any kind of style yeah it would not be as heavy or bulky and yeah yeah just for environmental reasons yeah i guess it is a bit scary cause it has not been done before yeah so it seems we would have to do more research on it or i dunno if you could have a battery pack yeah like as a backup for something backup yeah so there is there is a one battery because most remotes use 2 batteries i believe yeah yeah yeah so if it was running off of one battery as a that would be good yeah yeah some alternative just in case something went wrong right maybe we could you were saying about solar power ma maybe not working indoors but a lot of calculators yeah have solar power that is true i just thought of that yeah so maybe that could be incorporated as yeah may maybe that could be the backup yeah instead of a battery yeah although it needs some light does not it like solar backup yeah do do those calculators yeah i suppose s but some yeah you can watch a t v in the dark then so if we are doing yeah if we are but thing is it is not you do not need the solar all the time i do not know how it works it can be stored it can be like you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it yeah yeah it just needs to be in light for a certain amount of time per day yeah like a few hours a day yeah i think that might be a little impractical though yeah i think sometimes it is just shoved under under a cushion and yeah yeah that is true it could easily yeah like people do not want to have to worry about that yeah yeah yeah i suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think 0 no i forgot to charge my remote today like if the kinetic thing i think what is best about that is that it is instant energy yeah yeah yeah you do not have to you know you can shake it a few times or whatever yeah and it works or just like pick it up when you are going to use it yeah yeah i suppose instead of you do not have to like make sure it is in the right place to charge and yeah yeah alright cool k okay is that the end of your presentation yeah yeah alright thank you there we go thanks 0 it is not on my screen it was not on mine either why i do not know why i think i just i just used the mouse on there you do not know why 0 okay is it that one yeah that is yeah i am just going to go through the interface concept with yous now 1st of all i will explain what a user interface is it is the aspects of a computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived for example heard or felt maybe or by the human user and it is also the commands that the user uses to control its operation and to input data there are 2 types of user interfaces there is the graphical user interface which emphasizes the use of pictures for output and a pointing device for example a mouse for input control so that is sort of like the scroll thing we were talking about 0 okay yeah yeah i am not really sure about the pictures that maybe that is on an l c d screen or maybe it is the the buttons or pictures or something yeah yeah do you think it is so i suppose sometime after you yeah cause i am sorry because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard yeah you are pressing the numbers for for what you want yeah so you must for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics like an l c d screen i s i suppose where on some buttons you would have like the power would be s some kind of symbol yeah and if you wanted to go onto teletext or i know we are not having that but i mean a similar thing you yeah they have there is a like little picture with a screen with lines across it which i suppose it is that sort of thing like the the symbol on the button yeah yeah but if we are having a simplified display anyway w that we probably will not have to focus so much on that yeah we will be doing it will be more the on the numbers and the volume yeah yeah it would be more a command interface and then yeah i suppose we need to think of symbols for like the volume display and stuff like that yeah so it is just draf graphical for the pointing aspect the infrared is like that is considered a i no i think it is to do with the actual symbols that are on the that is on the buttons of the remote control and per okay so when it says pointing device that does not include for inp well it could be a wee scroller thing and something could come up on the screen yeah i think they are talking about l c d type things okay yeah okay yeah but i think we are going to go with the command interface anyway to make it more simplistic yeah but the we could incorporate some of the graphical user points as in just to make it m nicer to look at maybe what do you mean like i can not think of an example but sort of like little pictures rather than 0 yeah like how the buttons like a little sound instead of saying volume like a little speaker or something yeah as a button though yeah something y so it is a keyboard in the shape of it right yeah m perha yeah okay yeah maybe yeah i like that idea the co we have decided that the command interface would be the most useful for a remote control as it would be less complicated and the controls would be more user friendly the remote control would be cheaper to design so that we would have more money in the budget to target the design area of the interface you know make it more trendy and original we will have more money if we keep it simple yeah i am sure i like kinetic energy would probably dip into the budget yeah yeah a bit more too yeah seeing as it is quite a new technology we we also have to keep in mind when we are designing our more user friendly remote control that a lot of interfaces consist of a clutter of buttons that that their functions colors and forms are not always helpful yeah that is true yeah that is in like the buttons with all the different like colors for different choices and things yeah it can be a bit yeah overwhelming and that all interfaces are different so that does not improve the use of the produ product so we need to come up with something that is easy to understand and maybe learn from the mistakes of other interfaces that can be too complicated for people to use yep does anyone have any questions do you think that we should keep all the buttons to one same color just to keep it give it a simplistic look i think if we go with the design plate thing we will have to just because of color clashing and if we wanted to so and yeah yeah and we might i mean depending on what comes out of the design we might have to stick to just black buttons but but what about the lighting up effect you mean different colors for the lighting or well i thought we had decided that we would if you touched one of the buttons they would all light up and so if they were black it would not be possible for them to light up 0 i see what you are saying well y if they were white they would glow probably if they were made out of rubber 0 so you are picturing the light is coming from the back i kinda pictured it as kind of coming from the sides and lighting it up frontwards 0 but but i guess you mean from the back 0 where would the light come from okay i would assume like an internal light that comes through okay yeah yeah so there would have to have to be some parts maybe transparent around the buttons or something right yeah and well rubber is a more translucent product too so we have that taken care of yeah yeah it should be able to in the phone that i was thinking of as well when you change the covers of it the the little buttons that actually you know that contro control stuff are behind the rubber li yeah so you can change the buttons when you are changing the faces 0 do you know what i mean yeah 0 cause it is just the wee control yeah thing that is behind it they they insert over okay so i mean we do not have to decide on one color each face could have its own color of buttons maybe well if they are raised up buttons yeah so that you can feel them we were talking about it being more a lot more tangible t it might be more difficult to do yeah if they are if they are sticking up if it is flat then like 0 like on a cellphone or a mobile phone it is like all very flat and you just have to sort of press down on these tiny little buttons but yeah yeah i think it would be possible i do not think it would make that much difference i mean the the dimensions of it cause if it is just like constructed in the same way as like the front cover of a mobile phone you can like take off the hard cover and then there is the like say the buttons and then you get to the circuit i do not think it would matter that the buttons were bigger through the the top casing i am sure you could f work it out to fit in the casing without causing too much difficulty yeah i am sure that would be fine okay yeah alright if it is do able we can do yeah sounds good to me so that is everything then okay alright thank you okay is that my turn then that means you are up yeah alright yeah i have a shorter report for you today it took a while to get this you are not plugged in yet 0 that is a very good point okay so this report is about trend watching basically so we can live up to our our purpose of having a very fashionable remote control sorry there we go so just so you know my method was mainly web web based research this time around i also spoke with fashion experts in milan new york and paris and i looked at the design reports from previous years here at real remote just so c we can work off of them see how fashions have changed so i will list the 3 most important aspects that i have come across and they they are each more important than the one that comes after it the 1st one is that there should be a fancy look and feel instead of the current functional look and feel this should be our priority as we have been saying the 2nd most important aspect is that a remote sh that the remote control should be technologically innovative so i think we have done a lot of talking about that just with lighting and the buttons and the face plates so it looks like we will be able to keep on track with that and the 3rd most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use so pretty basic there and the recent fashion update according to fashion watchers in paris and milan is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes shoes and furniture also in contra in contrast to last year the feel of the material is expected to be spongy again we have already discussed that with rubber versus hard plastic buttons so my personal preferences here of course as we we have already talked about the personal face plates in this meeting and i would like to stick to that the fruits and vegetable themes i do not know if that is going to work for us it sounds something that you would use on kitchenware i do not know if we want to do it on remotes it could be one of the options maybe for the television that people have in their kitchen the temporary light up idea sounds like we are going to stick to that and then tying in a trendy look with user friendliness yeah yeah it is the fruits and vegetables is the only area that i find rather jarring everything else we can really we can really it is strange do according to our plans already given the market but fruits and vegetables seems a very strange idea for a remote control it is it is a little but it it is everywhere yeah well so maybe we i have seen a lot of purses with olives on them you know yeah but i i think i think if we stick to t v based you know maybe t v shows or yeah yeah or color schemes but they still need to fit into people is decor though we right i think we possibly could take a more abstract design like look at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables and then just really like strip it down to like really basic shapes i mean we do not have to make something in the shape of a strawberry but it could have the curves of a strawberry or something yeah the yeah yeah or a strawberry seed or a leaf the essence of strawberry or just like you know really make it a quite abstract if that is fits in more with what we are doing yeah yeah instead of fruits and vegetables just if you look at it straightforward it is a bit yeah yeah yeah it does not s quite fit in with the trendy well obviously it does if that is the current theme yeah but may maybe we could go more directly i do not know yeah but initially i dunno i think if we just sort of tone it down a bit yeah and like not not yeah tone it down i guess yeah yeah like more like photos of fruit on on our product yeah or banana shaped one thing i was thinking though is i dunno if you all remember from our kickoff meeting we talked about our favorite animals yeah so maybe there could be animal based you know because a lot of people have a house cat or or a dog that might be getting you know too specific and we should see what the success of the 1st face plates are but it is something to keep in mind and did you have any questions pretty straightforward yeah yeah okay alright given that information we need to start making some more specific decisions so i will need to hook up the powerpoint again there you go have you guys been saving your powerpoint presentations to the okay i did not for the 1st one but i have now but it is still around right yeah okay hopefully where do you have to save it to project documents i think okay okay i am just trying to make this pop up now alright here we go okay so we have to decide now exactly what we are going to do so energy we 0 okay kay 0 no i can not write it in when it is in this setting does anyone know how to take it out of yeah just escape i think the powerpoint yeah okay so back to decisions energy we have decided on kinetic right kinetic yeah yeah okay so that is good are we going to have a backup or do we just but would a backup really be necessary i mean will people just use the battery if there is no if there is i think maybe we could just go for the kinetic energy and if there is backup be bold and innovative and hope this works and well hope that it works yeah yeah i think yeah there is like no reason why it would not work right i think no so i i think we should just like take advantage of like using this to its full potential yeah it could even be one of our selling points go for it it could be fully kinetic energy yeah yeah yeah yeah environmentally conscious or something is everyone happy with that so if it is not working they just have to shake it a bit and that revitalizes it yeah yeah okay hope so alright the next decision is chip on print i do not exactly know what that means it was whether we went for the simple the regular or the advanced chip and that linked in with what buttons we would going to have so right and we were going for more simplistic style right yeah it was so that was without the l c d yeah so that means we are not doing the advanced yeah so it depends on whether we wanted the scroll buttons or just the push buttons i think we decided on the pushbuttons right yeah i don yeah so that is the simple yeah would we need a more advanced one for the lighting the interior lighting system yeah possibly so it is probably going to be the regular chip that we are going to need yeah so it is a medium okay so regular chip that is called medium or regular regular sorry kay regular chip 0 is regular not simple yeah lighting yeah if we because of the lighting that we have decided to put in as well it is for the lighting yeah right right right okay and cases does this is this dependent on shape or what it is made of or what so th i think this is just like going to be the a very outer case which we will decide on rubber yeah yeah well i guess plastic and coated in rubber rubber yeah plastic coat yeah plastic with rubber plastic rubber coat coating and interchangeable interchangeable yeah still going for that yeah interchangeable plates yeah okay user interface concept this is your time to shine we decided on the component i i i am sorry i have lost my powerpoint thing so i can not remember what it is ca it is the component your screen think it was called command interface was it 0 yeah yeah command interface the command inter command interface ouch the command line interface yeah did you say command line yeah okay line interface alright and supplements what is that all about i think that is well we have not really made any decisions about what we are going to do about the cluster of button functions colors and forms in the in consistent use like what what are ideas to combat these problems you know how different interfaces are very different and can be confusing because because of their difference and because of the different clusters of buttons that they have we have not really decided what to do about that what are our choices here well it is just w where where shall we locate the buttons what kind of functions wi shall we have you mean like we will have the numbers of the channels and we will have the channel changer and volume and power the power volume so pretty just just the basic button functions yeah like i do not know if we should go into like adjusting light levels things like that because different televisions will have may yeah tone contrast and things yeah that is a bit that was on one of my presentations about how often it was used do you remember that yeah it was minima well it was not the l yep yeah yeah it was hardly ever used really i w should i bring it up yeah yeah that would be good and most televisions will come with a remote yeah and surely that would be like quite specific to the individual television so yeah each television yeah kay well we know we want numbers the ch t screen settings was used 05 times an hour so tw twice every once every 2 hours and it was considered a one5 relevance on a scale of 10 that is brightness color tone all that you do not change that often yeah i think most of that comes like on the i individual television set itself does not it i am sure it has its own buttons so you do not necessarily need to have it on remote yeah it does yeah and different televisions yeah like we i do not know if we can make a remote that would be universal to all the different kinds of yeah so we are just going for power channels volume changes like that volume the other one was audio settings mono stereo pitch i mean i sometimes use that some t v s will have the option of like living room style movie style yeah and that they say that is used 08 times an hour which is actually somewhat high like almost once an hour yeah relevance of 2 0 we have 5 minutes to finish our meeting crap okay let us do this fast well that did not some up on mine should we have audio it only comes up on mine usually it w it would seem silly if we would having anything else just have an audio button though 0 do you know yeah i do not i it is it is a problem with the international appeal i think if we have audio because we do not know how other televisions work but we but we know that everyone has this and it is the same yeah i guess that it affects the marketing cause it i have it is a good sales ploy to say are not you annoyed with remote controls that have all these buttons yeah this one has channel volume and your channe and your power yeah that is it that could be a sales pitch we can just go for make it a selling point that it is just the basic yeah yeah simple and yeah yeah i brilliant okay alright yeah good and okay in closing cause we only have 5 minutes we will be meeting again in 30 minutes you will be working poppy will be working on the look and feel design wait a minute is that right yep and the user interface design so this is where the trendy stuff comes in and you will be evaluating the product poppy and tara will have to work together using modeling clay and your personal coach will give you the rest of the information of what needs to happen okay alright so anyone else have something to say i just have one question about the whole fruit and vegetable aspect yeah yeah are we seeing as that was the most popular thing that came up out of your market research i thi i think we should keep to that rather than moving to animals or something because even if that may not seem obvious to us if that is what the surveys brought out i think that we should probably go along with that yeah yeah yeah so i suppose that will come out in our dev design development but you are happy to go ahead with the fruit and veg now do you guys need want an idea of how many are you going to come up with casing ideas like f 5 different y yeah yeah 5 what i what i was thinking what do yous think of this having the numbers kind of like not a bunch of grapes but you know like purple and kind of in a triangle like grapes yeah you can have some fun with the buttons it is true like that is kind of fruity or something that is just yeah we can have a look at those ideas yeah yeah i guess what you i ideally you would kind of think of age markets as well so it is a something that will you know appeal to the 15 to 25 year olds yeah something that your granny would want on her remote control and international tastes as well so yeah yeah not easy tricky a lot of things to consider yeah yeah lots of yeah hm okay alright kay we will stick to the fruit and veggie theme then alright and we will reconvene in 30 minutes okay okay kay okay bye thank you i 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[ "i am going to is everyone ready to start yeah okay great well welcome to the 3rd meeting of conceptual design let us get the powerpoint presentation up and running okay okay on the agenda for this particular meeting we will have your 3 presentations on what you have done since our last meeting after we came up with some general ideas of our design and then we have to make some key decisions on our remote control concept and how we are going to make what materials we are going to use and that sort of thing the meeting will be 40 minutes long okay and we will once again have poppy as our 1st presenter okay all right and i will switch up powerpoint thank you okay okay should be just loading okay okay although i can not see it on my screen let us just go here okay i have been doing some research into the different components that we could use what is available to actually make the remote control 1st of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made and what happens inside the casing which is more your effect while you are a field the main internal feature is a circuit board which contains all the electronics and also the contacts with the power source which is not necessarily a battery is about to see there are several components of the circuit board that we need to consider where we will be getting them from what they will be made of including the integrated circuit which is also known to the chip which is where all the main information is contained diode transistors resonators resistors and capacitors all need to be considered as well and all their positioning in the circuit are they all included mandatorily or are these different options they are all different options they are all separate apart from the chip which we will probably decide whether we buy a simple or regular advance we can go into that later all the other things are individual components that we would have to get in separate and work out the most effective circuit including all the wires and things like that and the led of course that is the light emitting diode so we could so we have got like flexibility with colors and things with that as well okay there are lots of different possibilities for the energy source we could use a basic battery but that brings with it like they need to be recharged and the bulk the size of it as well and they are not so great to dispose of environmentally there is the hand powered dynamo which is the sort of thing that was used for torches 50 years ago a bit out of date kinetic energy is something that has been recently developed what is the hand power dynamo where you manually charge up the power like you wind up something sorry just every once in a while yeah every once in a while i think it would be kind of strange to always be yeah it would be like going a step back in time i do not think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology no whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that has been used by some watches and other devices where you just shake the device and it gives it to power i mean the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work or the solar power which we have been considering inside a building which is where it is going to be used might not be quite so useful but good to look into renewable energy it is always so lots of considerations for the case like what sort of shape it would be curved or flat and that has got a lot to do with the ergonomics i think how it is comfortable and sits in the hand we do not want something that is huge and you can not pick up or too small or too sliding i know i have had a remote control before which you could not tell which was the front and the back the back it had so many buttons on and the shape was so symmetrical that i would be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button because you can not really see what you are around it we also can choose what materials we could use metal we could use rubber which might be more ideal for the anti rsi it is like the same sort of rubber that is using stress balls and things like that so it is very like soft not so stressful on your hands would again stepping back inside we go there i do not think that is quite up to date with what we are looking for here yeah titanium is not going to be possible even though it is just beyond our budget really but would have been maybe for future projects right i have a choice for buttons as well we have developed some we have got some good advances in technology with our research team i have found some new multi multiple options scroll buttons i think that was brought up before they are basically quite a flexible design modern you do not have to use individual buttons you can just slide up and down i am sure we are all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads one thing with the scroll buttons though we would have to have an lcd display yeah that is true display and the glow in dark thing yeah if we have yeah we are going on to that later with the advanced with the lcd that means we need them really advanced chip yeah and it is unlikely that that is going to be in our budget also we have got the integrated push button which is what we are most familiar with it is most straightforward but you can incorporate that with a scroll button as well good good so did you just say there and this is what i was just saying for linkedin to the different depends on what type of buttons we have and the inputs simple would go with the push button regular you could link with the scroll button and the advanced would have to go with a lcd display my personal preferences i think we could go for the kinetic energy source i think that is quite an advanced kind of technology it is not been seen before so it could be quite a novelty factor attractive as well and also energy savings you are producing the energy you do not need an external battery supply or solar panels you just give it a shake yeah sounds brilliant to me rubber casing i think we are probably the best if we are going for the anti r r si and like more choice with esthetics like it could be pretty much any color we want and gives you yeah more flexibility there and probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple and we could possibly have the scroll and the push but no lcd because we probably can not afford that one yeah one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these chips and diodes and delicate technology as the exterior this is the one thing that is protecting its innards i think there would be a more internal casing and the rubber would just be what is in contact with the human man another thing is it might be more difficult if it is a rubber exterior we were talking about putting on interchangeable plates yeah i do not see how a rubber plate going on top it would stay there because if it was sort of like a clip on plastic plate it would work that way maybe if the if it was just kind of a more of a rubber coating which was on to a case so it was kind of the whole thing would be removable like plastic with rubber yeah like yeah i can not think of what well there is there is a certain phone that has like a rubber case yeah or like you can get sort of out of casing for ipods and something that is just yeah it is protective as well it stops it i mean it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something something as well because it would not damage its half so easy all right so maybe a mixture of both there yeah so the actual remote would be hard plastic and then yeah yeah okay and the buttons obviously are rubber yeah yeah yeah that sounds good is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber as far as i know it should be okay we will just say yeah yeah yes just one yeah yeah yeah all right i like the kinetic energy source idea yeah i do not know when people will be moving remote around a lot but i think that it is worth it kinetic energy source it could make and we could have any kind of style it would not be as heavy or bulky yeah yeah just for environmental reasons yeah i guess it is a bit scary because it has not been done before yeah so it seems we would have to do more research on it or i do not know if you could have a battery pack like as a backup yes there is a one battery because most remotes use 2 batteries i believe so if it was running off of one battery is a yeah it is an alternative just in case right right maybe we could you were saying about solar power maybe not working indoors but a lot of calculates that is true yeah so maybe that could be yeah maybe that could be the backup instead of a battery like solar backup although it needs some light does not it yeah you can not watch tv in the dark then but the thing is it is not you do not need the solar all the time it can be stored it can be like you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it it just needs to be in light for a certain amount of time per day like a few hours a day i think that might be a little impractical yeah i think sometimes it is just shoved under a cushion that is true it could easily like people do not want to have to worry about that yeah i suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think 0 no i have got to charge my remote today like the kinetic thing i think what is the best about that is that it is instant energy you do not have to you know you can shake it a few times or whatever or just like pick it up when you are going to use it instead of you do not have to like make sure it is in the right place to charge yeah all right cool okay is that the end of your presentation yeah all right thank you there we go it is not on the screen why it was not on mine either i do not know why i think i just use the mouse on there 0 okay yeah i am just going to go through the interface concept with you now 1st of all explain what a user interface is it is the aspects of the computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived for example perceived for example haired or felt maybe or by the human user and it is also the commands that the user uses to control its operation and to input data there are 2 types of user interfaces there is the graphical user interface which emphasizes the use of pictures for outfit and appointing device device for example a mouse for input control that is sort of like the scroll thing we were talking about 0 okay yeah i am not really sure about the pictures that maybe that is on an lcd screen or maybe it is the buttons of pictures or something yeah so i suppose sometimes because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard you are pressing the numbers for what you want for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics i suppose on some buttons you would have the power would be some kind of symbol and if you wanted to go onto teletext i know we are not having that but i mean a similar thing they have there is a little picture of a screen with lines across it which i suppose it is that sort of thing like the symbol on the button but if we are having a simplified display anyway that we probably will not have to focus so much on that it would be more than the numbers and the volume it would be more command interface so it needs to think of symbols for like the volume display and stuff like that so it is just graphical for the pointing aspect the infrared is that that is considered no i think it is to do with the actual symbols that are on the that is on the buttons of the control and okay so when it says pointing device that does not include well it could be a score thing and something could come up on the screen yeah i think they are talking about lcd type things yeah okay yeah but i think we are going to go with the command interface anyway to make a specific yeah but we could incorporate some of the graphical user points just to make it nicer to look at maybe what do you mean like i can not think of an example but sort of like little pictures smaller than 0 yeah like how the buttons instead of the same volume like a little speaker or something yeah as a button though so it is a keyboard in the shape of it right yeah okay yeah i like that idea the remote we have said it as a command interface with the most of the most of the remote control as it would be less complicated and the controls would be more than the remote control would be cheaper in design so that we would have more money in the budget to target the design area of the interface and we make it more trendy and original we will have no money if they keep it simple yeah i am sure kinetic energy would probably dip into the budget yeah a bit more to do yeah it is quite a new technology we also have to keep in mind when we are designing our more use of my remote control that a lot of interfaces consist of the clutter of buttons that their functions colors and forms are not always helpful yeah that is true yeah like the buttons with all the different like colors for different choices and things that can be a bit yeah and everyone and that all interfaces are different so that does not improve the other products so we need to come up with something that is easy to understand and maybe learn from these decks with all our interfaces that can be too complicated for people to raise does anyone have any questions do you think that we should keep all the buttons to one same color just to keep it give it a simplistic look i think if we go with the design plate thing we will have to just because of color clashing and if we want to so we might i mean depending on what comes out of the design we might have to stick to just black buttons but what about the lighting up effect you mean different colors for the lighting well i thought we had decided that we would if you touch one of the buttons they would all light up and so if they were black it would be possible for them to light up 0 i see what you are saying well like if they were white they would glow probably if they were made of rubber 0 so you are picturing the light as coming from the back i kind of pictured it as kind of coming from the side and lighting it up frontwards 0 would the light come from back okay i would seem like an internal like okay yeah that comes through so there would have to have to be some parts maybe transparent around right there is something and well rubber is a more translucent yeah yeah product too so it should be able to have that taken care of in the phone that i was thinking of as well when you change the covers of it the little buttons that actually you know that control yeah are behind the rubber so you can change the buttons when you are changing the faces 0 yeah yeah okay okay i mean i mean we do not have to decide on one color each face could have its own color of buttons well if they are raised up buttons yeah so that you can feel feel them we were talking about it being more a lot more tangible it might be more difficult to do if they are sticking up if it is flat then like on a cell phone or a mobile phone it is like all very flat and you just have to sort of press down on these tiny little buttons but yeah i think it would be possible i do not think it would make that much difference i mean the dimensions of it if it is just constructed in the same way as the front cover of a mobile phone you can take off the hard cover and then there is the like you said the buttons and then you get to the circuit i do not think it would matter that the buttons were bigger through the top casing i am sure you could work it out to fit in the casing without causing too much difficulty i will be fine all right if it is doable you can sounds good to me yes everything is fun okay all right thank you okay is that my turn that yeah you are up alright yeah i have a shorter report for you today it took a while to get this so you are not plugged in yet 0 that is a very good point basically so we can live up to our purpose of having a very fashionable remote control sorry there i go so just so you know my method was mainly web based research this time around i also spoke with fashion experts in milan new york and paris and i looked at the design reports from previous years here at real remote just so we can work off with them see how fashions have changed so i will list the 3 most important aspects that i have come across and they are each more important and then the one that comes after it the 1st one is that there should be a fancy look and feel instead of the current functional look and feel this should be our priority as we have been saying the 2nd most important aspect is that the remote control should be technologically innovative so i think we have done a lot of talking about that just with lighting and the buttons and the face plates so it looks like we will be able to keep on track with that and the 3rd most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use so pretty basic there the recent fashion update according to fashion washers in paris and milan is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes shoes and furniture also in contrast to last year the feel of the material is expected to be spongy again we have already discussed that with rubber versus hard plastic buttons so my personal preferences here of course we have already talked about the personal face plates in this meeting and i would like to stick to that like to stick to that the fruits and vegetable themes i do not know if that is going to work for us it sounds something that you would use on kitchenware i do not know if we want to do it on remotes it could be one of the options maybe for the television that people have in their kitchen the temporary light up idea sounds like going to stick to that and then tying in a trendy look with user friendlyness yeah yeah it is the fruits and vegetables is the only area that i find rather jarring everything else we can really do according to our plans already given the market but fruits and vegetables seems a very strange idea it is a lot of left field but it is everywhere so maybe we have seen a lot of purses with olives on them but i think we stick to tv based you know maybe tv shows or color schemes but they still need to fit into people is decor though i think we could possibly take a more abstract design like look at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables and then just really like strip it down to like really basic shapes i mean we do not have to make something in the shape of a strawberry but it could have the curves of a strawberry or a strawberry seed or a leaf you know really make it quite abstract if that fits in more with what we are doing instead of fruits and vegetables just if you look at it straight forward it is a bit yeah it does not quite fit in with the trendy well obviously it does if that is the current team but maybe we could go more directly i do not know but initially i do not know i think if we just sort of tone it down a bit tone it yeah no like photos of fruit yeah on our one thing i was thinking though is i do not know if you will remember from our kickoff meeting we talked about our favorite animals yeah so maybe there could be animal based you know because a lot of people have a house cat or a dog that might be getting too specific and we should see what the success of the 1st faceplates are but it is something to keep in mind and did you have any questions pretty straightforward yeah all right given that information we need to start making some making some more specific decisions so i will need to hook up the powerpoint again have you been saving your powerpoint presentations to the i did not for the 1st one have now it is still around right yeah where do you just like project documents i think okay i am just trying to make just trying to make this pop up now all right here we go okay so we have to decide now exactly what we are going to do so energy we owe 0 no i can not write it in when it is in this setting does i do know how to take it out of the power point yeah yeah okay so back to decisions energy we have decided on kinetic right kinetic yeah okay so that is good are we going to have a backup or do we just but would a backup really be necessary i mean will people just use the battery if there is no i think maybe we could just go for the kinetic energy and be bold and innovative and hope this works and well hope that it works yeah yeah it is like no reason why it would not no right so i think we should just like take advantage of like using this with its full potential yeah it can even be one of our selling points it could be fully kinetic energy yeah environmentally conscious so if it is not working they just have to shake it a bit and that will be right yeah yeah all right the next decision is chip on print i do not exactly know what that means it was whether we went for the simple the regular or the advanced chip and that linked in with what buttons we were going to have right and we were going for more simplistic style right yep so that was without the lcd so that means we are not doing the advance so it depends on whether we wanted the scroll buttons or just the push buttons i think we decided on the push buttons right so that is the simple yeah would we need a more advanced one for the lighting the interior lighting system yeah possibly so it is probably going to be the regular chip that we are going to need so it is a medium so regular chip that is called medium or regular regular sorry okay regular chip 0 is regular and not simple yeah yeah if we because of the lighting that we have decided to put in as well okay and cases so is this is this dependent on shape or what it is made of or what i think this is just going to be that very outer case which we will decide on rubber yeah yeah well i guess plastic and rubber coated in rubber yeah plastic rubber with rubber coating and interchangeable interchangeable yeah we are still going for that yeah yeah okay okay user interface concept this is your time to shine we decided on the component i am sorry i have lost my powerpoint thing so i can not remember what it is called it was called command interface 0 yeah yeah command interface the command interface command line interface yeah do you say it command line yeah okay line interface all right and supplements what is that all about i think that as well we have not really made end decisions about what we are going to do both the cluster of button functions collusion forums and consistent use like what are ideas to combat these problems you know how different interfaces are very different and can be confusing because of the difference and because of the different buttons that they have we have not really decided what to do about that what are our choices here well it is just where shall we locate the buttons what kind of functions shall we have i think we will have the numbers of the channels and we will have power a channel changer and volume and power so just basic yeah i do not know if we should go into adjusting light levels things like that because different televisions will have yeah tone contrast and things that is a bit that was on one of my presentations about how often it was used do you remember that yeah it was minimal well it was not the yeah it was hardly ever used really should i bring it up yeah most televisions will come with a remote yeah and surely that would be like quite specific to the individual television so okay well we know we want numbers the screen settings was used 05 times an hour so twice every once every 2 hours and it was considered a one5 relative events on scale of 10 that is brightness color tone all that i think most of that comes like on the individual television set itself is not i am sure it has yeah it does not it does not necessarily need to have it on remote yeah and different televisions like we i do not know if we can make a remote that will be universal to all the different kinds yeah so we are just going for power channels volume the other one was audio settings monosterosterone i mean i sometimes use that some tvs will have the option of like living room style movie style and that they said that is used 08 times an hour which is actually somewhat high like almost once an hour yeah relevance of 2 0 we have 5 minutes to finish our meeting crap okay let us do this fast well that did not come up on mind should we have audio it only becomes up online usually it would seem silly if we did not have anything else just have an audio button there yeah i do not it is a problem with the international appeal i think if we have audio because we do not know how other televisions work but we know that everyone has this and it is the same yeah i guess it affects the marketing because it is a good sales play to say are not you annoyed with remote controls out of all these buttons yeah that is channel volume yeah that is it we can just go for make it a selling point that is just the basic yeah okay all right brilliant good and okay in closing because we only have 5 minutes we will be meeting again in 30 minutes you will be working probably we will be working on the look and feel design wait a minute is that right yep and the user interface design so this is where the trendy stuff comes in and you will be evaluating the product poppy and tara will have to work together see modeling clay and your personal coach will give you the rest of the information of what needs to have okay all right so anyone else have something to say i just have one question about the whole fruit and vegetable aspect are we seeing as that was the most popular thing that came up out of your market research i think we should keep to that rather than moving to animals or something because even if that may not seem obvious to us if that is what the survey is brought out i think we should probably go along with that so i suppose that i will come out in our design development but happy to go ahead with the fruit now do you guys want an idea of how many are you going to come up with casing ideas 5 different yeah we are not 5 what i was thinking what do you think of this having the numbers kind of like not a bunch of grapes but you know like purple and kind of in a triangle like grapes yeah you can have some fun with the buttons it is true we can have enough like ideas yeah i guess ideally you would kind of think of age markets as well so it is something that will you know appeal to the 15 to 25 year old something that your granny would want on her remote control yeah and international taste as well so tricky a lot of things to consider lots of all right okay yeah we will stick to the fruit and veggie theme all right and we will reconvene in 30 minutes okay bye thank you i will see you later 0 what i just do thank 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[ "0 right okay i cover myself up i feel like madonna with one of these on i said i feel like madonna with one of these on i have always wanted one of these i really have where do you buy em from they are right hello everybody hello back again for another wonderful meeting is everyone ready yeah yeah almost okay we c we can hold on for a minute 0 my gosh i figured with the spam thing if you can not beat it join in that is the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive kay are you ready okay right well i take it that you are all ready now alright 1st off we will just recap from our last meeting which was we got together just to basically decide on well to talk about what it is that we were actually supposed to be doing and who we all are and stuff like that get bit more of an idea together of what is going on what we are going to talk about in this meeting is now that we know what it is that we are doing now we know that it is a t v remote and stuff and you guys have just been off doing some some r and d for that that is research and development for those that have not heard that before see i am learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today yeah we are going to hear your th 3 little presentations whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want do you have any preference of order i would like to hear 0 i would like to hear who is g who is on the from from catherine actually 1st i want what i would like to hear about is if we have finally decided on what sort of energy we are going to be using and batteries i think she is still finishing her no no no no it is fine i am just preparing it is just that yeah let us let us hear from you 1st okay where is that thing okay it is it is here 0 sorry could not see would that work get yourself in position okay so that is me again ah so for the energy sources we can have a basic battery a hand dynamo which is which was used in the 50s for torches if you remember that kind of which would not be v would not be v v yeah yeah i do not think any of us remember the 50s is it like a crank thing or something it would not be very fancy you can have a kinetic provision of energy which is used on some watches these days so if you have just a bit of gentle movement that it will give it the energy to work or you can use solar cells but i am not sure about that indoors really but well there is sometimes combinations i mean like calculators do combinations of battery with but also using some solar power yeah do sol solar panel things do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb i dunno actually does anybody know i think it has to be on the on the solar energy but i do not know i dunno think the the what would cost the less would be the basic battery really okay and if we want something fancier i think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice but i do not know if it is worth the cost so we have got to discuss that okay jolly good for the case of the remotes itself they can be a general case which is just a flat one you can have a curved one or a double curved one if you know what i mean so what is a double curved one you know kind of more ergonomic that kind of suits the palm of your hand that kind of thing so okay then the case material itself so it can be either plastic or latex rubber wood or titanium and th for each of them you have cases where for example titanium you can not use it for if you if we are choosing a double curved case we can not choose titanium and if we are choosing solar cells then we can not choose latex for the case material so we just have to take that into account but if we are choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything and i think we discussed earlier on the r s i problem thing so we could so that might be an idea of using the rubber but then it should you know yeah yeah let us have a squeezable remote yeah and also it does not break as easily maybe i dunno when a t v program has got one watching the match and your team is just lost you can fuzz it across the room and it will bounce off the wall back at you yeah yeah i like that idea so rubber would be okay i think rubber is rubber we are all we are all going we are all liking that idea you think you can market that but after my after my fashion thing i think you will realize that rubber is more s so if d okay ooh we like rubber ooh people and then there are the push buttons so you can have basic push buttons or a scroll wheels like you have on a mouse or you could have l c d which gives you a display scroll buttons as well huh so if you use a rubber double curved case you must use rubber push buttons so if we are going for rubber then we have to decide for the case and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push buttons so it is a constraint well we are going to go with i think we have decided that it is going to be a rubber case so yeah but is it a double curved one or not if it is not a double curved then we have got the choice for the push buttons if it is a double curve we have got to go for rubber push buttons if that makes sense push buttons instead of the wheel yeah if it is rubber is not it malleable anyway it does not matter if it is double i mean is not a rubber case mean it is completely flexed i mean it it flexes to whatever they want it to mean so what is the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double rubber double curved case rubble double double no but na le you see you have got okay the energy that is one thing i will have a big mac please then you have the case is whether it is flat or curved and that is we do not care if it is rub rubber or not but then we have decided that we going for rubber for the case material so if we have chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it is flat single curved or double curved and i am just saying if it if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go i dunno why but we need to go for rubber push buttons okay so either i dunno we just need to decide on the on the case let us have rubber push buttons hey okay go rubber go rubber the whole way let us go crazy and then do i have a last slide yes i do so the push buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be so that is just the electronics between the but behind the push buttons yeah and the price that go with it with it so the simple push buttons are going to be the cheapest if we get a scroll wheel that is a higher price range if we get an advanced chip which is used for the l c d the display thing then that is even more expensive simple yeah chip on print it is a bit okay what i am not understanding here is okay advanced chip on print which i presume is like one p c b and that has got all the electronics on one board including the infra red sender yeah the infra red yeah right what a what alternatives do we have to that y what alternatives do we have to the chip on print well if if it is not chip on print then i guess you get different chip components and you build them separately and does not include the infra red it is less expensive so it sounds technically speaking it is not as advanced but it does the job too so why would we not go for that if it is something that is inside the the unit fo it does not yeah yeah yeah i it does not affects whether the customer is going to buy it or not totally yeah we want to go for an i i all so long as it works so let us not go for the yeah yeah you know i agree so let us not let us not bother with the chip on print so it is either the scroll wheel or the push buttons yeah s yeah push buttons what about the just developed sample sensor i think push buttons is what about what g there the sample sensor sample speaker thing well well what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit i dunno be cool it would be it would be cool but they are saying they have just developed it i am just guessing channel 2 yeah but it is going to be the most expensive option probably and s th the the speech recognition option is it does not seem really very promising for us cause yeah it is not something that we want to t go into with this product the yeah the example that they are already using it for is with the coffee machine where basically you can program a sample wi that when you say something it will give a response and you program the response as well just clips of tha that you record yourself so you can program your coffee maker that when you say good morning to it it says hello rick or whatever yeah but i mean it is not it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the t v on like hm turn the t v on and i turns comes on but it is not that it just gives you a it just gives you a verbal response 0 it just gives an answer so yeah i mean like what is the point of saying hello remote i mean hello how how are you 0 then then yeah yeah i thought i thought it was when they said just if you are really lonely maybe yeah if you are really lonely it is it is i thought when they said voice recognition they meant like channel 5 and it will change channel 5 and then it switches on no tha that w that w that would be more promising like you talk to it can i have channel 5 yeah it it is just a remote that talks to you 0 then forget about it yeah yeah 0 right okay i mean to certain cues yeah okay so i will go back maybe to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem what we should choose so for the energy source do we go for the battery or the kay yeah i am fine with the basic battery basic battery it is cheap it is cheerful it is worked does work cheaper option are you happy with that yeah okay so we will go for the battery then the case do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved we were go we were going with the late with the the r s i rubber were not we yeah so we want it rub rubber double curved the the so it will look like something like this double the double whopper please okay so then if we use double curved case then we have to u choose rubber push buttons and that is fine yep but we are going for the simple buttons so rubber rubber keys yeah yeah and it is cheapest all round it sounds kinda funky and we can also market it as i cause we were s saying earl you were saying earlier in your research that the the people have the r people were getting the complaining about r s i p yeah and this is anti r s i yeah yeah so that is another marketing point that we can use well the rubber push buttons do not you have to move your but anything is going to have buttons even if it is a jog wheel it is still repetitive i thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a you you see you can still get it does you still get repetitive strain injury whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen that they do not it is the v it is the fact that you are pressing the same doing the same movement it is not actually what you are doing but the fact that this this rubber i is actually used in these anti r s i ps specific yeah the rubber is good yeah we are giving them a way to burn off steam basically yeah yeah yeah so they can sit there and go like not that watching t v should be that stressful and you know yeah you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children yeah 0 yeah i guess t v can be stressful yeah if you are watching sports alright that is me done alright okay gabriel let us let us let us hear from you about the it is the interface alright yeah some of what i have to say ties into what catherine was just talking about great sorry okay so i am continuing with the user interface topic and so basically i consulted with our manufacturing division it sounded like catherine was also speaking with them i also took reissa is marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration cause i think that is that is crucial as far as what keys we are going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they are laid out and so the manufacturing division sent some some samples of of interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products like the coffee machine so i already mentioned the speech recognition interface i guess we we basically vetoed that idea it is it is pointless it is just a sample sensor sample output it would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the t v so yeah they they also give the they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an m p 3 player like ipod so we have already addressed that and i think that would actually be worse for something like r s i i mean you got that thumb movement that you are constantly doing yeah that does get annoying the other suggestion and i i have a feeling that we are interested in in something more general but they suggested you know going i a little bit into a a niche like either gearing our remote towards kids where you could have lot of colors the keys might be you know funny or or or something for the elderly where the remote is very large and the buttons are very large and there is only a few buttons but you know we can we can discuss this but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general but done well yeah so the key layout and design are really crucial you do not want you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without always pressing the wrong one and i did not mention that we need a power button in our last i can give you an example here of good layout and bad layout from our manufacturing department so this would be an example of bad layout where you have volume up and volume down but they have a v on both of them so yeah yeah it is sort of confusing for the user this is the example of the giant remote that is impossible to lose do we have an example of a good one brilliant huh well and for something for kids yeah yeah and so yeah i th i think my personal preferences of we have all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page so i was against the speech recognition and against going towards anything in in a niche sense i think it should be more general i did not i did not think the spinning wheel or the l c display were were crucial for us and yeah that is it for me okay well let us so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team the the the the interface type we are going for so we are we are not going to have any sort of display i think just the simple s simple straight set of buttons so yeah it is just going to be just going to be push buttons i think we shall have a limited number of buttons ideally i mean a a power yeah channel up channel down volume up volume down and a numerical keypad yeah and some sort of it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that yeah i guess it is to the point where we need to decide about that okay and we are not yeah well now that we have decided on our are we going to hav hav an are we d have we decided on whether w we are going to s supplement it with anything you know colors or particular gimmicky bits to it we are not we are just going to go for something it seems like we would not want to make it too busy and too sort of gaudy but we are maybe we can yeah i would say mayb maybe a couple of colors like like a black with with yellow and somewhere like maybe the r r can be yellow or something like that yeah yeah okay okey dokey yeah i do not have any other questions on this let us move over to i i guess the fact also that we are having a rubber case would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before i mean cause s so if we want to have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button yeah sure but i think that should be i mean i can speak with the button department but i think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other the other buttons from operating yeah the button that just does that yeah so that should be simple cool right well i am just basically letting you know what is happening in the markets yeah and what the fashions are for next year so yes so from looking at this year is trends and fashions and also recent investigation that we have done in the remote control market we have found that for the remote control market these are like most important aspects like that we really need to which we have already probably discussed the most important aspect is look and feel so the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already that we already have so it has to be yeah why should people buy this when they are already got a remote that came with the t v yep exactly yeah 2nd it should be technologically innovative innovative so what is that mean technologically it should be like work basically i guess it should work well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense i mean have something that is little more technologically advanced than what is on the market should that is new okay now the trouble is is we have already decided that we are going with the stuff that works already that is cheap yeah yeah yeah actually i mean these 1st 2 points we have already sort of gone away from yeah cause our rubber one is not fancy i mean it is different but i would not say like a rubber remote is fancy yeah if that is what people want then we maybe we are going in the wrong direction and it is it is not technologically innovative either so no loose maybe we could that is why i was thinking bluetooth cause if you like put up bluetooth and it is like a bluetooth remote control everybody is going to like 0 cause bluetooth is the in thing nowadays like it really is like people and when it comes to marketing like that is what people go for they do not really care whether you know at the end of the day whether it works properly or not of course they do well they do but it is like it is not 100% that is your 1st thing you go 0 i am not going to buy that cause i dunno if it works or not yeah but it looks good if it looks good and it is it can just be there for decoration okay well what do you 2 think about this so is is the advantage of bluetooth that you can just like synchronize it with other but like electronics yeah what i do not understand what m you could always insert yeah yeah that is basically what it allows you to do right yeah and it this is just going to all this is being used for is your television yeah but i mean people like it would that would mean you would need a television that has bluetooth in it which no no television does does it well if you are looking at if you looking at something that is going to be bought by people well you have to make it new you have to make it state of the art that would mean we would have to make a television as well bluetooth would for example enable you i think to connect for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone but your mobile phone is downstairs or something you would get on your television you are being called by this person right now things like that no that would be your telephone in with your television yeah the that would not be the remote so much i mean no i yeah and i no but if you get bluetooth on the remote you would be able to nah the televi the television would have to be a bluetooth compatible basically i with the television yeah i was just trying to find an advantage wha what w what advantage would you get for the well it does not an and there is no there is no such thing like it does not have to be you know bluetooth that was just an idea but like it needs do something that you know is new whether it is a battery it could be something really really minor you know like but i think we are really keeping to what is already out there and people have already seen it people have already got it okay if we want something new we need to move away from what we already have and just go creative maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then it has been done for watches but i have not seen that for remotes yet okay yeah this that is that is very good and then you can market it never have to change a battery again change the batteries ever again and and this is all tying in very nicely the fact that it is made out of this rubber we can throw it about th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about because it charges itself up by doing it yeah well and in little characters you say yeah but not too much yes so can i think safety s but yeah by the squeezing it the yeah we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the be the generating like the energy generator yeah that is a great idea yeah well done 3rd most important aspect is it is easy to use we are all about that and i think we have all worked that out okay in the fashion how it is supposed to look next year is fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths shoes and furniture so next year people will be buying i found this really funny you know strawberry shaped chairs okay so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a and an avocado key on them and things yeah yeah rubber things i want to watch the pineapple channel and as it is rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy so it is it is not quite spongy but spongy i would say is yeah so we are in well spongy that is where yeah we are we are ahead of the game there yeah that is great for us yeah and so personal what i was just saying like move away from the current remote controls like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel while still keeping to the company is image basically so yeah okay i had to say so we are moving in the right direction like right alright yeah no this i this is good so through all that we have we go we are right yeah we are going to go go back to going with the kinetic thing that is great yep yeah that is great using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti r s i you can as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself you are charging the batteries and i am not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though no vegetables yeah i do not know how we incorporate we do not have to follow every trend i guess maybe make it like fruity colors or something some sort huh or the power button could be like a big apple or something well yeah but apple would sue you for that yeah this is true they don they do not own all images of apples sued the beatles so okay we will make it a pomegranate a big pomegranate well okay it seems like the only thing that we have not really finally agreed on is its image like yeah we are we are saying no we do not want it to be fruit and vegetables but we dunno what it should be or like are we going yeah it looks slick but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing well i think if it is rubber it needs to be i mean you said earlier on i it should be funky different i think it is it should be i mean what do you associate with rubber you know like l keep it clean keep it clean really different colors basically okay sor i sorry i used the wrong word what do you associate with the mate the material that material like i am just thinking bright colors yeah bright natural colors nothing too bright but not too bright bright but too not yeah yeah like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink want to make it different colors so anybody can choo like like like the volume buttons should be the all the same color and the d and the the channel buttons should be one color and stuff like that do you mean yeah and on the back of it have the logo okay what yeah sure why not okay the one thing i am wondering about tha i hope that we are not going like too much down a gimmicky road of of having i mean if somebody go goes into the store they are going to see like 3 or 4 normal remotes yeah i mean we that is we we and then a big spongy pink t tomato remote yeah this is the remote control tomato i mean what are 90% of people going to take well i can say in this country you will get you know lots of people wanting something really funky and cool like and kids will be walking in with their parents saying mummy i want to buy that one and parents will see the will see the pro as well because it is like kids will not break it it is not breakable if you throw it around yeah especially with younger kids you know they can pick it up and and yeah the only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it but well it is it has got to be chew proof yeah so so it is rea it is quite it is quite like user friendly and also for different families i am going to write that down like like family use as well so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it i think especially maybe younger girls if it is in pink they will be like pink remote control for their room something so what are you saying maybe we should market it in different colors for different so we could do like the pink range yeah that is yeah the blue range the green range the so like you walk in you are like 0 i like that remote control because it is so bright and then and then the shop assistant comes up and says 0 what color would you like and then they go like 0 i can choose the color wow so it puts i think even the customer into more control over what they are buying instead of you have got all color it is either that or nothing so they also get to pick well personally i like walking into a shop and choosing a color yeah i mean that that seems to work well with for products like ipod where you know you have a variety of colors it is yeah that people feel like they are customizing it when they buy it even you know just just by the fact of choosing d you have got the although i would be curious to see how many you know there are some colors that i wouldn i would never choose and i would be curious how many people choose that color right well that is that can be down to bit of market researching you know if that is easy enough to find out what colors are more popular yeah and produce less of the silly colors maybe okay alright well we will alright let us what we are going to aim to get together by the next meeting then is from you catherine wi your y y you know you are going to be working on the the look and feel design yep gabriel you are going to be working on you know come up with the the user interface design then basically you 2 are going to be working together on this you will not be going off to your separate offices alright okay and i think you are going to get a chance to play with some clay 0 right i think yeah it is going to you know come up ki you know be ab for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some some i some physical ideas cause at the moment you know it is it is hard cool yeah we were kinda going yeah it has got to feel nice it has got to look cool and that it is you know now we can actually start it is you know s some sort of physical something or other that sounds good and you are going to be working on the product evaluation evaluation and i will be talking to the bosses basically and f fielding off some more spam and great that is it really keeping things t well you know ho hopefully keeping things together yeah that is this is this is good so we know for definite we know we have we have now got some definite things going on we definitely know how it is powered we definitely know that it is going to be a simple buttons we are not going to be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things so we have we are keeping the costs down it is this rubber casing that we can sell as fun and funky do not know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff people you know people are saying 0 standard stuff gives you repetitive strain injury well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite yeah it is supposed to fix it rather than cause it you know we are going to we we are going to as a sort of extra something on it you know what what extra things are there extra things this product have we will look into this lock key right facility although whether or not it happens or is possible i do not know but something to look into okay i think that is well done everybody alright anyone have any any questions everyone know what they are doing yeah cause if you do not you will i am sure you will soon get an e mail about it yeah i think we all know what we need to do now s this gives you all the details okay okay right well it is we are we have still couple of minutes until our meeting is due to finish but i got a note saying that you 2 who are going to be working together so bef before you all disappear off just okay i will stay in here hold hold fire does the pay raise immediately come into effect on our next pay check or is that i think it is yeah i think it is going to be par part more of a profit sharing on the product so we are buying fut i mean we are getting futures in the company yeah i think i i think that is i think that is the way it is going to happen at the moment so we really have a incentive to make this remote work yeah yeah i would like to share in the coffee machine profits because that is really doing well i want a share in the space rocket did you see that this k that this company we have made a spaceship yeah yeah this company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots yeah yeah yeah we are definitely not in the money making department well i i did notice looking at i mean they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the r r brand and and to be immediately noticeable yeah i mean if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page it is not obvious r r well it is to us because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine but it is does not have the color scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it is just sil silver and black that is true and the spaceship does not have the r have a massive r and r down the side of it but i still want one no does not okay i have just had a sign flashing up saying finish the meeting yeah okay yeah right well i guess that is us yeah it is not telling it is not saying do anything in particular just yet so maybe you should go back to your own offices okay right are we taking these off yeah yeah it says you 2" ]

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[ "alright okay i will cover myself up i feel like madonna with one of these on i said i feel like madonna with one of these on i was cool they dance and they say it is like i have always wanted one of these i really have where do you buy them we are buying from they are cool alright hello everybody i am back again for another wonderful meeting so everyone ready yeah yeah yeah okay we can hold down for a minute 0 my gosh 0 my gosh 0 my gosh i figured with the spam thing if you can not get joined in that is the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive ready okay right well i will take it that you are already now all right 1st off we will just recap from our last meeting which was we got together just to basically decide on well to talk about what it is that we were actually supposed to be doing and who we all are and stuff like that get a bit more of an idea together of what is going on what we are going to talk about in this meeting is now that we know what it is that we are going to talk about in this meeting is now that we know what it is that we are doing now we know that it is a tv remote and stuff and you guys have just been off doing some r d for that that is research and development those that have not heard that before i am learning all sorts of new terms and technology today yeah i am going to hear your 3 little presentations whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want do you have any preference of order i would like to hear i would like to hear who is on the from catherine actually 1st what i would like to hear about is if we finally decided on what sort of energy we are going to be using i think she is still finishing her no no no that is fine i am just just yeah let us hear from you 1st okay where is that thing it is here 0 sorry can you see would that work off get yourself in position okay so that is me again so for the energy sources we can have a basic battery hand dynamo which was used in the 50s for torches if you remember that kind of which would not i do not think any of us remember the 50s like a crank thing yeah yeah would not be very fancy you can have a kinetic provision of energy which is used on somewhat these days so if you have just a bit of gentle movement that it will give it the energy to work or you can use solar cells but i am not sure about that indoors really but there is sometimes combinations i mean like calculators yeah combinations of battery but also using some solar panel do now these solar panel things do they have to work from the saddle or can they work from a light bulb i do not know i think it has to be only solar i do not know i do not i think the cost or less would be the basic battery really and if we want something fancy i think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice but i do not know if it is worth the cost so we have got to discuss that okay totally good for the case of the remote itself it can be a general case which is just a flat one you can have a curved one or double curved one if you know what i mean what is a double curved one you know kind of more we are going to make that kind of sits the palm of your hands okay the case material itself so it can be either plastic or latex rubber wood or titanium and for each of them you have cases where for example titanium you can not use it for if we are choosing a double curved case we can not choose titanium and if we are choosing solar cells then we can not choose letech for the case materials so we just have to take that into account but if we are choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything and i think we discussed earlier on the rsi problem thing so we could so that might be an idea of using the rubber but then it is a you know to have a squeezable remote yeah and also it does not break as easily maybe i do not know when a tv program is when you are watching the match and your teams just lost you can fuzz it across the room it will bounce off the wall back at you yeah i like that idea so rubber is the i think rubber is rubber we are all going we are all like that idea you think you can market that after my fashion thing i think you will realize that rubber is more ooh we like rubber ooh okay and then there are the push buttons so you can have basic push buttons buttons or scroll wheels like you have on a mouse or you can have lcd which gives you a display scroll buttons as well so if you use a rubber double curved case you must use rubber push buttons so if we are going for rubber then we have to decide for the case and if we choose double curved case then we have to go for rubber push buttons well we are going to go i think we have decided that it is going to be a rubber case yeah but is it a double curved one or not if it is not a double curve then we have got the choice for the push buttons if it is a double curve we have got to go for rubber push buttons if that makes sense rubber push buttons instead of the wheel yeah if it is rubber is not it malleable anyways i mean it does not matter if it is double i mean it is a rubber case i mean it is completely flexes to whatever they want whatever they want so what is the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubber double double rubber rubble double you see you have got okay the energy that is one thing i will have a big mac place then you have the case is whether it is flat or curved and that is we do not care if it is rubber or not but then we have decided that we are going for rubber for the case material so if we have chosen rubber we have chosen rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it is flat single curved or double curved and i am just saying if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go i do not know why but we need to go for rubber push buttons so either i do not know we just need to decide on the case let us have rubber push buttons sorry go rubber let us go crazy and then do i have a last slide yes i did so the push buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be so that is just the electronics behind the push buttons yeah and the price that go with it so the simple push buttons are going to be the cheapest if we get a scroll wheel that is a higher press range if we get an advanced chip which is used for the lcd the display thing then that is even more expensive it is even more expensive chip on print okay what i am not understanding here is a thread center okay what i am not understanding here is okay advanced and okay advanced chip on print which i presume is like one pcp and that has got all the electronics on one board including the infrared sender yeah right what alternatives do we have to that what alternatives do we have to the chip on print well if it is not chip on print then i guess you get different chip components and you build them separately and does not include the infrared it is less expensive technically speaking it is not as advanced but it does the job too so why would we not go for that if it is something that is inside the unit it does not affect whether the customer is going to buy it or not so let us not go for it so long as it works yeah yeah yeah i agree so let us not bother with the chip on print so it is either the scroll wheel or the push buttons yeah yeah push buttons what about the just developed the sample sensor what about what the sample sensor sample speaker well what do we need the speaker for in the remote control unit well no it would be cool it would be cool but they are saying they have just developed it i am just guessing but it is going to be the most expensive option probably the speech recognition option is it does not seem really very promising for us yeah it is not something that we want to go into with this product yeah the example that they are already using it for is with the coffee machine where basically you can program a sample that when you say something it is a product when you say something you give a response and you program the response as well it is just clips that you record yourself so you can program your coffee maker that when you say good morning to it it says hello rick or whatever but i mean it is not it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the tv on like turn the tv on and it comes on but it is not that it just gives you an answer it just gives you a verbal response so yeah i mean like what is the point to say hello remote i mean i thought it was just if you are really lonely maybe i thought when they said voice recognition they meant like channel 5 channel 5 no that would be more promising it is just a remote that talks to you 0 there forget about it 0 okay i mean to certain cues yeah okay so i will go back maybe to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem what we should choose so for the energy source do we go for the battery or the yeah i am fine with the basic part basic battery it is cheap it is cheerful it is worked does work cheaper option are you happy with that yeah okay so we will go for the battery then the case do you want it flat or curved or single or double curved we were going with the later with the rsi rubber were not we yeah so we wanted rubber double curved so it will look like something like this double whopper please okay so we wanted rubber rubber so then if we use double curved case then we have to choose rubber push buttons that is fine it is cheapest all round it sounds kind of funky and we can also market it as because we were saying earlier in your research that people have the people were getting the complaining of rsi and this is anti rsi yeah so that is another marketing point that we can use 0 the rubber push buttons then you have to move anything is going to have buttons even if it is a jog wheel it is still repetitive i thought they would give an option of flat buttons or you still get you still get repetitive strain injury whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat button screen it is the fact that you are pressing the same doing the same movement it is not actually what you are doing but the fact that this rubber is actually used in these anti r si specific yeah the rubber is good we are giving them a way to burn off steam basically yeah yeah so they can sit there and not that watching tv should be that stressful and you know yeah you can fuzz it across the room throw it at your children i guess tv can be stressful yeah if you are watching sports all right that is me done okay gabriel let us let us hear let us hear from you about the interface yeah some of what i have to say ties into what catherine was just talking about great sorry so i am continuing with the user interface topic and so basically i consulted with our manufacturing division it sounded like catherine was also speaking with them i also took riesa is marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration because i think that is crucial as far as what keys were going to include what buttons were going to include and how they are laid out and so the manufacturing division sent some samples of interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products like the coffee machine so i already mentioned the speech recognition interface i guess we basically vetoed that idea it is pointless it is just a sample sensor sample output it would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the tv so yeah they also give the they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an mp 3 player like ipod so we have already addressed that and i think that would actually be worse for something like rsi i mean you have got that thumb movement that constantly doing that is okay the other suggestion and i have a feeling that we are interested in something more general but they suggested going a little bit into a niche like either gearing a remote towards kids where you could have a lot of colors the keys might be funny or playful in some way or something for the elderly where the remote is very large and the buttons are very large and there is only a few buttons but we can discuss this but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general but done well so the key layout and design are really crucial you do not want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without always pressing a long one and i did not mention that we need a power button in our last i can give you an example here of good layout and bad layout from our manufacturing department so this would be an example of bad layout where you have volume on and volume down but they have a v on both of them so it is sort of confusing for the user this is an example of the giant remote that is impossible to lose brilliant wow yeah something for kids yeah and so yeah i think my personal preferences we have all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page so i was against the speech recognition and against going towards anything in a niche sense i think it should be more general i did not think the spinning wheel or the lc display were more crucial for us and that is it for me okay well let us so what are our definite decisions on this then as a team the the the the interface type we are going for so we are not going to have any sort of display i think it is just going to be simple straight set of buttons i think we should have a limited number of buttons ideally i mean power channel up channel down volume up yeah numerical keypad in some sort of it will either have a lock button like we mentioned or a cover or something yeah i guess it is to the point where we need to decide about okay and we are not yeah well now that we have decided are we going to and are we decided on whether we are going to supplement it with anything you know colors or particular gimmicky bits to it we are not we are just going to go for something it seems like we would not want to make it too busy and too sort of gaudy but yeah i would say maybe a couple of colors like a black with yellow and somewhere like maybe the rr could be yellow something like that yeah okay okay dokey yeah i do not have any other questions on this let us move over to i guess the fact also that we are having a rubber case would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before yeah sure if we want to have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button i think that should be i mean i can speak with the button department but i think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents the other buttons from operating so that should be simple cool cool well i am just basically letting you know i am just basically letting you know what is happening in the market yeah and what the fashions are for next year so yes so from looking at this year is trends and fashions and also recent investigation that we have done in a remote control market we have found that from remote control market these are like most important aspects that we really need to which we have already probably discussed the most important aspect is look and feel so the rock control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that we already have so it has to be yeah why should people buy this when they have already got a remote that came with the tv 2nd it should be technologically innovative so what is that mean technologically it should be like work basically i guess it should work it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense i mean have something that is a little more technologically advanced the trouble is is we have already decided that we are going with the stuff that works already that is cheap actually i mean these 1st 2 points we have already sort of done away from because our rubber one is not fancy i mean it is different but i would not say like a rubber remote is fancy if that is what people want then maybe we are going in the wrong direction and it is not technologically innovative either maybe we could that is why i was thinking bluetooth because if you put up bluetooth and it is like a bluetooth remote control everybody is going to like because bluetooth is the m thing nowadays like it really is like people and when it comes to marketing that is what people go for they do not really care whether at the end of the day whether it works properly or not of course they do well they do but it is like it is not that is your 1st thing you go 0 i am not going to buy that because i do not know if it works or not yeah but it looks good if it looks good and it can just be there for decoration okay well what do you 2 think about this so is the advantage of bluetooth that you can just like synchronize it with other electronics yeah i do not understand what it is basically what it allows you to do right yeah and this is just going to all this has been used for is your television yeah but i mean that would mean you would need a television that has bluetooth in it which no television does does it if you are looking at something that is going to be bought by people you have to make it new you have to make it that would mean we have to make a television as well bluetooth would for example enable you a thing to for example if you get a call on your mobile phone but your mobile phone is downstairs or something you would get on your television you being called by this person right now things like that no that would be your telephone syncing in with your television yeah that would not be the remote so much yeah i mean no but if you get bluetooth on the remote you would be able to the television the television would have to be a bluetooth compatible basically and there is no such thing like it does not have to be you know know bluetooth that was just an idea but like it needs to be something that you know is new whether it is a battery it could be something really really minor you know like but i think we are really keeping to what is already out there and people have already seen it people already got it if you want something new we need to move away from what we already have and maybe the kinetic just go creating provision of energy then it has been done for watches but i have not seen that for remote okay yeah that is very good and never have to change the battery again and this is all tying in very nicely the fact that it is made out of this rubber we can throw it about we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about because it charges itself up by doing it and in little characters you say yeah but not too much but yeah by the squeezing it so we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the generating yeah that is a great idea well done 3rd most important aspect is it is easy to use and i think we have all about that worked that out okay in the fashion how it is supposed to look next year is fashion is very much in fruit and vegetables other than are the theme for cloths shoes and furniture so next year people will be buying i found this really funny you know strawberry shaped chairs so we could have keys that are like a broccoli key and an avocado i want to watch the pineapple channel and as it is rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy it is not quite spongy well spongy that is where we got we are ahead of the game there yeah and so personal what i was just saying like move away from the current remote controls like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel while still keeping to the company is image so yeah okay this is what i had to say so we are moving in the right direction 0 yeah no this is good so through all that we have we are going to go back to go on with the kinetic thing that is great using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that is anti r s i as you squeeze it you are not only therapeutising yourself you are charging the batteries and i am not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though no vegetables well maybe make it like fruity colors or something or the power button could be like a big apple or something yeah but apple would sue you yeah this is true they do not own all images of apples we will suit the beatles so okay we will make it a pomegranate a big pomegranate well okay it seems like the only thing that we have not really finally agreed on is its image like yeah we are saying no we do not want it to be fruit and vegetables but we do not know what it should be or like we are going yeah it should look slick but what do we mean by slick sort of thing it needs to be i mean you said earlier on it should be funky i think it should be i mean what do you associate with rubber you know like really different colors basically keep it clean keep it clean sorry i used the wrong word what do you associate with the material that material like i am just thinking bright colors bright natural colors nothing too bright but not too bright yeah like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink and make different colors so anybody can choose like the volume buttons should be all the same color and the channel button should be one color and stuff like that do you mean yeah and on the back of it have the logo okay what is usually yeah why not okay the one thing i am wondering about i hope that we are not going like too much down a gimmicky road yeah i mean if somebody goes into this store they are going to see like 3 or 4 normal remotes and then a big spongy pink tomato yeah remote what a 90% remote controlled tomato so i can say in this country you will get you know lots of people wanting something really funky and cool like and kids will be walking in with their parents saying mommy i want to buy that one and parents will see the we will see the pro in it as well because it is like kids will not break it it is not breakable if you throw it around especially with younger kids you know they can pick it up and yeah the only thing is is it really small kids might chew on it well it is just going to be true proof i am going to write that down so it is quite like user friendly and also for different families like family use as well little kids and for older kids like teenagers will like it i think especially maybe younger girls if it is in pink they will be like 0 yeah i have pink or a control for their room so what do you say maybe we should market it in different colors yeah for different so we could do like the pink range the blue range the green range so like you walk in you are like 0 i like that remote control because it is so bright and then the shop assistant comes up and says 0 what color would you like and they are like 0 i can choose the color wow so it puts i think even the customer into more control over what they are buying instead of you have got what color it is either that or nothing so they also get to pick well personally i like looking into shop and choosing a color i mean that seems to work well with products like ipod where you know you have a variety of colors that people feel like they are customizing it when they buy it although i would be curious to see how many you know there are some colors that i would never choose and i would be curious how many people choose that well that can be down to a bit of market researching you know that is easy enough to find out what colors are more popular just less of the silica okay alright well well all right what we are going to aim to get together by the next meeting then is from you catherine you are going to be working on the look and feel design yep gabriel you are going to be working on you know come up with the user interface design and basically you 2 are going to be working together on this you will not be going off to your separate offices and i think you are going to get a chance to play with some clay all right i think you guys are going to you know come up you know for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some physical ideas physical ideas because at the moment you know it is it is hard we were kind of going yeah it has got to feel nice it has got to look cool and that it is you know now we can actually start you know some sort of physical something or other that sounds great and you are going to be working on the product evaluation evaluation and i will be talking to the bosses basically and fielding off some more spam and that is it really keeping things well you know hopefully keeping things together yeah that is this is good so we know for definite you know we have now got some definite things going on we definitely know how it is powered we definitely know that it is going to be as simple buttons we are not going to be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things so we are keeping the costs down it is this rubber casing that we can sell as fun and funky do not know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff people are saying 0 standard stuff gives you repressive strain and injury well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite it is supposed to fix it rather than cause it you know we are going to as a sort of extra something on it you know what what extra things other extra things this product have we look into this lock key facility i mean whether or not it happens always possible i do not know but something to look into okay i think that is well done everybody anyone have any any questions everyone know what they are doing because if you do not you are i am sure you will soon get an email about it yeah i think we all know what we need to do now this gives you all the details okay right well it is we are still a couple of minutes until our meeting is due to finish but i got a note saying that you 2 were going to be working together so before you all disappear off just i thought i am in the movie yet hold fire does the pay raise immediately come into effect on our next paycheck or is that i think it is yeah i think it is going to be part more of a profit sharing on the product so we are buying i mean we are getting futures in the company yeah i think that is the way it is going to happen at the moment so we really have an incentive to make this remote work yeah yeah i would like to share in the coffee machine profits because that is really doing one i want to share in the space rocket did you see that this company has since we have made a spaceship this company has its fingers in a lot of different parts yeah yeah we are definitely not in the money making department i did notice looking at i mean they told you that they wanted whatever our product to represent the rr brand and to be immediately noticeable i mean if you look like at the coffee maker at the corporate web page it is not obvious our well it is to us because we worked here for years coffee machine but it does not have the color scheme of the company anywhere on it obviously it is just silver and black and the spaceship does not have the you think it would have a massive art and art down the side of it i still want one okay i have just had a sign fleshed up saying finish the meeting i guess that is us yeah it is not telling it is not saying do anything in particular just yet so maybe you should go back to your own offices okay all right are we taking this off yeah" ]

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[ "can i close this we do not have any changes do we so no 0 okay there we go okay here we are again detailed design 0 come on well ah s forgot to insert the minutes but it is about the same thing we discussed before could open that anyway think other design anyway we took as we took w we took rubber as as the material last time we also that you are just busy with it took the advanced chip to t implement the advanced features well we discussed the design no sharp corners we rounded it off like you see on the other screen which is fine we agreed that the color should be b yellow and black yellow in the back because it is m trendy more trendy than black anyway so then we ca yeah we agreed that we would implement both the l c d and speech recognition but i will get to that in a moment cause some changes in the finances have left us implications anyway so so like i said we had no insight in finances no prices but we have em now and it is bad anyway we are 0 prototype presentation well 1st you guys built the prototype so you could could present that but let us see what be handy to do nee no you just go ahead and present the w we will scrap it later because i think it is more or less the same as we had what it is basically what we agreed upon but just a little bit more specified 0 that is no much s has not changed that much huh no no no not at all i did not expect anyway you just colored it s final design basically in what we discussed cover and buttons will be made of rubber yellow color black components as you can see right over here we chose a different type of color for the menu i like the menu a bit darker yellow so that it com really shows in this keypad if you put them all black it is not really that good a contrast so and i suppose the the the yellow is not printed on the on the rubber it is it is part of the rubber i suppose probab yeah i think that is more i think that is more durable anyway than printed on to that is the be and it i guess it is more easier to just paint it on the rubber than to yeah of course yeah that is the integration story again okay so we have it is a bit round shaped that is what we had 0 yeah we chose the buttons to be teletext okay button favorite channel and the mute so that is basically what we chose there okay if you have anything to add please interrupt me no this is just a description of what we see there so yeah 0 yeah speaks for itself that is pretty much it okay now it is my time to ruin everything well not ruin everything but no nah 0 sorry finances that is what we have here what you drew we have battery power we have advanced chips and the sam the sensor the sample sensor and for speak recognition anyway so which you see the which is de 01 of the most expensive parts so well we have sin one curve a design rubber design and we had a special color suppose yellow is a special color so just half a euro for you have pushbuttons and an l c d display you have the total of €17 in production cost which is higher than the 125 that we are permitted to use so easy what do we scrap well think i had the best solution that i came up with is just to s take out the speech recognition i d yeah i would say that too because the l c d has more support on customer side there are 91% of the people or something like that but 90% who favor an l c d display and only 60% that favor speech recognition i think it is also harder to we do not really have a extra function with the speech sample which you can not do with a normal remote control which people already do yeah so so i ju i took that out so and so it is still stuck with 13 so i had to take out the special color i suppose and yeah i did not see anything else i could take out yeah i could take out the push buttons but we need those pushbut huh so generally what i came up with in order to be cou to to have production cost of €125 special color yeah spe scrap speech recognition and the separate covers can account for the if people want it we will just then we will do it in black we will just deliver it in black have the it has all the function that it is supposed to have and if you want it if you want the custom design then you can buy the separate covers well i would i tend to disagree with you on that because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this you make it d orange or whatever you want it was a big issue but so can not we just basically extend it to 13 i will just go back let us just let us see what okay let us just see what we no we we have to be under 125 yeah it it it is not the project is a no go if we go over 125 so the p okay but there is another problem and the p okay but there is another problem what if we take another cover for instance black then we also need another button frame cause black and black does not work obviously i think you that is what you were ass assigned to do really to to see how b th both those work together huh huh yeah so i think yeah it is i think it is y one of the it is a good way to to help people to make to keep the product trendy too just keep you just make new covers for the for it like we agreed before right i agree and everything that is left is is the basic function that that we want our product to have because the expensive parts are in either the advanced chip but we need that for the l c d display yeah we do then again we have the l c d display which is also expensive b yeah but those go together and yeah we could take out the curve or say let us lose rubber take plastic we could take out a curve indeed could we could take out the curve is that an option yes for you although we are demolishing a little bit the style but the and i think the color is more important than the really the curve because if you just end up with an entirely black remote control but yeah yeah i think it is it it does ruin it but the fact that i t took that decision or t the people yeah took this example actually not really decision but the example is because we do offer the the possibility of adding your own custom covers so you can change any color you want so it is just you deliver a basic remote control with a possibility to change you into whatever you want can we then not also change the material we take plastic for the basic cover and you can take plastic but i d it is something that is stuck into my mind is that something that really came forward from the marketing research is that people like the the the the squishy feeling of the spongy feeling of the and it really makes it also makes it different from the existing remote controls spongy yeah we can put those to the to the other covers yeah and because they are all plastic that is true so which in in turn rubber would increase durability because it does not break but okay but what do you then suggest we would lose because we have to lose 2 things and i guess i al like i said i lost the speech recognition and i lost the special color which would make this black a black and gray but yes okay and that is enough yeah that is that that that is enough because so black and gray is okay i guess those are the basic colors but so 0 which we can fabricate okay the people want to pay for for it so why why do we have to keep us on the 125 i think those are basic colonel they want to to ensure the profit that that is th that is the order we are just we are the project team and we got our our orders from the pro from the boss of our company which say we do not want to spend more than 1250 for this yeah but we can take a risk but that is not for our that is not our decision to take no we basically we have a budget of 1250 per product okay yeah we need to stick to that so stick that i do not think it is really bad either i mean if we we have the the backup of or the backup design thing i hope the people will like it but to have i think they would do th i think they do like because yo we you we agree upon that the that the the the cover thing was a nice idea because p you could have all sort of designs while at the same time just manufacturing one product yeah one basic product which you could turn into any any taste you want so i think it is the best solution to make those cu custom covers for the design aspect and keep the functionality between of within the th the boundaries of the your f your budget perhaps we should make m yeah huh the 1st sheet so perhaps we should make clear to our customer that we had to do this to stay under the cost and that is they know that this is an option and that we had to drop the option to stay under the cost that they know that well i do not think yeah perhaps they decide tha is it worth is it is it does it mean anything to the customer but they do not like it like we do not care we do not care that you had to of course perhaps they no but perhaps they think okay the cover is such a nice idea let us that that then they that allow us to make some more costs we ca we we can at least tell them that true but we did we did not get that so i think it is it should either be a pack you do not know that well huh maybe we sh that should be sold in in the s in stores with with a standard cover or something no i am not talking about that cost but the one that g has given us the order to design this but we could at least m make it like this like you said and then tell them okay they could but we had to drop this and that just that you know it is an still an option but not for this price it is an option but yeah it is true so actually it is not that much of an increase but yeah and if we we cannot contact them it is just the order that we got exactly but yeah so that is what we got to go with so it is either one fi just just to get it f just to get it through final it is either turned into plastic drop the squishy feel make it make it more breakable or turn it yellow yeah so it is something we have to decide on i would say lose the curve and the color and i say lose the curve 0 that is true we could lose the c yeah i forgot that sorry the curve so that is just this one just d this is the banana curve so which curve is that ba that is basically that curve yeah that is better so this would this would be straight so we could u still have the comfort no no that would be a curve inside the thing i guess no would ju then it would just be a straight remote just like like that which would yeah turn it into something far more ordinary we could make it yellow then but i 2nd that you 2nd that you 2nd that we lose the curve no that it would turn out to be a pretty straight forward remote control okay yeah so that is not really that yeah yeah so i think it would be a good idea to keep the curve to separate it from the rest of the remote control world so to speak so we keep the curve so the only only solution is either to use the l y lose the yellow or lose the rubber i would and i am in favor of keeping the rubber because it has more more advantages than the color yellow has 0 i agree yeah i would say i would agree with you on the color because that is an extra option no yep an extra service we can deliver for a little bit of more money so we can always do that yeah i guess people are willing to pay for that so i think we can take that option and just with with the idea in the back of our head that you can customize your remote control yeah so i think that would still make it a nice product yes okay we are final on that so it is too bad we can not make the whole super thing but anyways we are here yeah which is basically what we discussed this we discussed just now that is just now just we could just discuss how the project went i mean was kind of and i want to do that i sort of expected that everything would turn out this way but because you yeah everything cannot be for free we did not i think it was too bad we did not have the financial info the last time because that was i th it was really essential really to ma because we spent entire stage designing a product of which we had no idea what it would cost yes we could have huh so we just put something i think it is really nor not in stroke with reality actually yeah so me too i felt a bit blind throughout the project because in the beginning i had no list of available materials yeah yeah i think would have been yeah and then i d had not list of available c finances but materials would be ok at least the last meeting i would have expected had to have that so so i suppose let us see yeah let us see if it sells i mean i suppose this sells because it is very very extended but well i hope it sells let us i suppose it sells because it is good 0 i mean it has got everything for the for the reasonable price because we did not know what it is going to cost anyway okay let us eval evaluate the product of us our design i have some a method a requirements and scale of i will pre present some statements and we will decided together wha what if it is true or false and then we see if the requirements of the user are fulfilled or not okay have been met okay and i will make a new blank sheet yeah so so the buttons the look and feel i thought it was okay but the advanced settings screen audio and channel which are basically accessible through the menu button they are stuck under menu we are not for the menu i think those are totally met because we we really took them for the they have the feel they want they have the simplicity they want 0 the menu button is it yeah hi 0 okay then it is all i think it is very very well met either 2 or one maybe s it is true one i think we took that everything they wanted into consideration yeah so it could either be a 2 or a one so d 0 wait one5 pen which is not an option the p 0 yeah it is red okay but just create our own option look and feel is everybo it is true yeah so anyone and the next one yeah when it is lost you can find it it is perfect even for deaf people yeah it is it is i do not think it is perfect but we did everything possible to to get it back to make it that way yeah because if it is stuck in you couch you can see the light maybe you can hear it but i mean we tried so i think it that is that deserves a one yeah and it is and it is yeah definitely to that is okay then and the next one how is that w we had we do not have an manual manual yeah but i think that is a part of it i think the l c d display could be a little bit more difficult then a normal remote control but then again it is for young people but i would use an remote control yeah so yeah an l c d it tells a lot about yeah i th and it is pretty straight forward you have a navigation no keys to navigate through the l c d menus exactly it is pretty straight forward huh no that is true i think it will not be a big problem yeah so so it is a one or a i do not know one i d no actu i think but we did not even there was no issue on making a manual actually for the advanced settings we did not really discuss it but no okay that that is true i do not think it takes no it really does does not take time to learn i think we took it s it is so easy we have so little button everything speaks for itself really no it it is pretty straight forward 0 so it ah so i think that is yeah we did not it is either 2 or one i guess takes no ti maybe it is a 2 because d the l c d is a little is a little new and there is there are some option hidden under the menu button with the more important functions on yeah so i might make this a 2 instead of a one i guess yeah yeah and the l c d you have to see it so just make that a 2 0 it is a little bit learning okay yeah it is a little bit same but it tells you or not you can use the l c d in a good way i think so i think it is perfect the w where it is what it can do if it useful i think so but wha w 0 yeah what are we displaying on the l c d screen just only the channels and or the menus what things like brightness and those kind of things we have put in the menu because we have no buttons for those well basically the menu options indeed but 0 in the l c d screen no y i mean in the l c d screen the small screen yes what does it display and for a channel selection or that is not well i thought it was i thought it was i thought that people wanted previews on their i am not sure if that even possible yeah i thought i thought too but yeah but cause it is this requires a quite quite a bit of band width i do not think it is possible really but the they did not really define in what should be used for but maybe a t v guide or something in your l c d no but i think in for example like t v guides i think that is that th that you can transmit through it and everything yeah just for extra information on your programs yeah it must be clear then what what what for we use it but also things like like like menus or p how about preferences of your with configuring your remote control for favorite your favorite channel for example yeah yeah how do you configure that so that could be done by l c d display i think it is good no maybe it is not a one because it is we are not using it perfectly we did not give it i do not thing over discussing now we gave it enough thought though yeah i think we d should just lower this maybe maybe it is a 3 though we could have used it more effectively probably yeah indeed so everybody is agree with an 3 on it it is yes yeah yeah we are using it but it is not it is not poorly used but it is not efficiently used i think 2 or 3 w yeah so we could have ev even lost the selection button and done everything via l c d selection yeah it is now it is just extra to illustrate im extra features but okay yeah i a 3 nah it is not really only an extra you can 7 ah nothing that is no menus think about a 7 that is can you talk to remote control or we could say it well it can not talk anymore yeah so we scrap that or we could say neutral we cause we scratched the 0 yeah just to be a prick but of course you can talk to your remote control it does not do anything c yeah yeah yeah yeah but you c you can talk to it not with the speech recognition yeah all the trends and no colors anymore so well we did take everything into consideration of course the shape i shape is i yeah only in the curves i think we yeah i think that is okay but the colors we do not have special colors on it no we do not have the color yeah special co but we took into consideration the fact that it is customisable to the fashi so i yeah but we yeah we do not have it so d yes but the end product so we do not have it we do have it it is just sold as a package in the end product but it does it is not part of the basic product m changing covers is also trend that we followed it that that is what i call trendy i mean the shape is trendy the the sh the the functions are trendy it is just the colors that are not supporting the basic model now because you ha it is just not affordable at the moment but it is not a one maybe we should go with a 2 then because it is not perfect because we can not do it initially but we yeah 0 it is possible but you have to pay extra for the for the possibility of having it in a f a different color 0 well oops 0 it is a 2 right yeah on the last one that n that is all overall score overall score overall it is 123 1016 16 3227 or something like that 22 point some 2 point something i do not know why 1016 divided by 6 6 is 223rd 2 and 2 thirds so we can say it is it is the product is it is okay it is okay but that is yo m mostly it is it is influenced by the fact that we did not have enough resources to implement speech recognition y not there is cause yeah that gives you a 7 which ruins your your average yeah without that it would be like under it would not yeah it would be under 2 so i think we have even with this it is reasonable woah yeah if we make it into a 4 as in neutral because we did not implement it so we can not say that we that it is really not well implemented yeah we come out on a average of 218th well i think it is 2 is okay so which is pretty w good yeah 2 is pretty good it is at least on the positive side so we could definitely have done better if we have had more resources but of course definitely yeah yeah i think it is probably i i do admit that we d did miss a little or did not sp did not talk talk enough about the possibility of the l c d display yeah we could have used it more efficiently we just did not think of it that way yeah yeah yeah with true so like i said changing channels everything hidden in your l c d display so you just need the navigation buttons to do everything the scale but i think for this price this is it is really a reasonable product i think we div i think we did very well ev even if you look at this score we did quite well it is a good product yeah with an l c d screen 0 it just looking for improvements what what you could have improved 0 yeah so but if pep people really want speech recognition then they must be prepared to pu to pay more because it is cannot be done for this they sh they should get kids and just stick em in t v and say change the channel yeah you can make em another one yeah ah but for this price you cannot ask that i don think so you cannot th think of that it is just not it it is not affordable no it is not or your sh you should lose the l c d screen probably but i think that is i think the l c d screen is more worth than speech recognition 0 it is also more attractive definitely okay that was that yeah yeah so that is the final product without the speakers i guess so did you let us see what was left in the the another one yeah we evaluate the product general project what is i in for example i thou i thought we were pretty creative in what we created we took the whole new approach of making exchangeable cover for example which i thought was pretty creative because it was never never ever listed somewhere favorite channel well anyways yeah leadership is up to you i mean perhaps i screwed up because i d put a put a speech recognition into it but that is not for me to decide yeah i know i think we did pretty well as team work though yeah because yeah was very hard to work with one another if you cannot communicate in the meantime yes because when i got the when i got the input for the financial results initially of course i wanted to contact you yeah you are working separate yeah say look this is you are doing the wrong thing you are s you are wasting your time now because we are implementing stuff that we cannot afford yeah huh yeah yeah yeah yeah so it would be better if y if there was more communication between because that is that is what would w you what you would normally do yeah yeah yeah direct communication with yeah and we could share information which we received either call or email someone so that was too bad con was impossible here anyways that is the same thing that i had in the beginning everybody was using materials that s i did not have so it did not have or did not knew what they costs or whatever yeah 0 there was just too little information about what things actually cost and if you could use them yeah so that was a little unclear i suppose i think a smartboard smartboard is pretty cool i think s especially for design issues it is very easy just to give your give your thoughts a little it is easier to share them my handwriting is little bit yeah yeah although for actual design i would say the response time should be a little bit higher because it is a little less it the response time is le it is very bad it is good to visualize everything but i think the response time should could be a lot better the digital pen was definitely better to draw my ideas and to but th that is definitely yeah it is true yeah okay further elaborate on that so but there is also one problem with this i noticed you have to finish a page before going to a n no you do not have to no no you do not i jin i did not check the finish button you can 0 i just you just ditch it and you can copy it or whatever done and then it is okay okay i saw that only if you check the notes or press done then it then you can then it exports to word automatically but it is not necessary to check either one of those 2 you can just preview your p you can just preview your page in the in the program yeah but i made 0 okay okay but i made 3 pages and they were not finished okay yeah and when the 3rd one was finished i wanted to download it and then it was not possible anymore because you have to close all the pinnits the pages before going further okay before starting a ne a new page okay okay that could be b exactly so we cannot work on more than one page at same time 0 that is not possible you have to finish it completely then download it it is then start a new one okay 0 can you okay yeah okay that is not very handy but if you know that then it is not a problem that is yeah it is understandable okay any new ideas yeah more communication between between that is the thing i noticed that communication is very very important important to because if you get new information it is essential f for the other team mates to know that as soon as possible because you would avoid making doing extra work because you were doing extra work now m working on the on the speech recognition yeah you have limitation both on the technical on the d on the design side so i think that could have been better but that is i think it is more of a a setting here that you cannot communicate than than somewhere else so yeah well it could also possibly be well is it a more real time information base so we can all see which information is available to one another yeah i think so and l less p less spam probably i am not sure i i am not sure you got spammed as well but i get spammed like every t every 2 minutes there was a there was another email about master classes or something ah well so which were totally useless actually i thought i should probably look into them but they were all useless so i just well i personally did not have that but 0 okay that is probably your l description but i also did not not really but still you had that as well huh is that we finished up the design and then we checked the website and then there was just extra information yeah yeah after after 5 minutes yeah there was a little delay in the bit of a c yeah i did not have any more information it is just always the same here crucial delay so that is that is kind of a email it would change but not for me so i would i had no extra information to go on that one than what you give me actually i could not do any research myself or i see that is yeah w i could have done a little extra work probably then it is but i was busy enough anyway so yeah any new ideas found or is that a cause yeah it is well probably is no how much time do we have for this anyway i have no clue that is like it should i if the project is evaluated and it was it was in b within budget we should celebrate so okay bring out the beer yeah champagne okay think that is about it i want one for my own i am not sure what we should still do though t let us see what all your tasks were finished right yeah what you ha from your assistant i have no more email so let us my coach is being very silent now yeah my personal coach i okay i should i think i sh i still have the the total report to finish up i think we took very little time now because yeah we are in agreement everything the design is okay the one thing we missed though we do not have a product name what no we have not think above about that how about you cook a how about you cook up a product name product name yeah name huh it is better than thi i think than a serial number sony t r something f means nothing to me or fruit name just 0 think of a catchy name i will be working on this until the beep until it beeps so like fruit names fruit name or something like that the banana remote or something what fruit you do not want it to resemble a banana i do not know yeah it is the form of it the bana cause it is not yellow anymore it is not yellow anyway yeah 0 yeah it is not yellow anymore it is curved but yeah well i was going for the r c deluxe but it is not really a catchy name or anything it is more no it is at least it is not something with numbers numbers are so meaningless to the people yeah i mean something with our company name can we do anything with that that is true reaction real reaction maybe there is something on the website which will help us out real reaction the reaction deluxe real reaction future r c step into the future of of remote controlling your t v is that a name or a c campaign no that is a that is a catchy slogan yeah or the control your remote control the real reactor real react i go for future r c probably something like it is short f the real reactor i do not find that that bad at all real reactor yeah you should write it down as a an option because our name is real reaction that that is that makes me think of different products than a remote control really i am not sure real reaction in a real zapping the so that is one option real reactor did not notice i am looking for things in the name so that the 1st 3 letters are s the same should i write the banana down or r e a r e a yeah sure i take f yeah take a banana sure the banana remote banana recei r c the triple r real reaction remotes control remote well i triple r r 3 c do you mean it like r 3 c yeah you mean it like this yeah that real reaction remote control r 3 c 0 yeah no not like that it should be it should be longer because it is not a product name that you f print on a box i think triple r does not sound just write out triple like a word triple r c triple stripe 0 yeah triple r yeah triple dash r dash s s c triple r c ah the triple r c yeah yeah r s r 3 c r dash c dash c i think i like it like this more dash triple r or triple r c like a c right now or a dash in a c triple r dash how about do both sure if it looks stupid i think that the the r c together takes away the the the image of it is a triple the 1st the 1st one looks like it is a triple remote control but it is only a single remote control that and it is especially on the triple r that is important yeah this yeah i would huh the real reaction remote i would lose the c and just name it triple r is it triple r c s no it sounds like thinking about 2 different things and combining it triple remote i would just say triple r s triple r yeah yeah triple r yeah you can well that is another option that is also short catchy it is okay yeah triple r okay so which ones are we going to scratch the banana definitely banana banana remote banana i say this one as well yeah the deluxe i think we are all in agreement about the triple r i think triple r is cool yes the r triple r triple r triple r it is and it looks cool when you print it in font looks pretty cool yeah did you do now just like this just and you just print triple r it looks does not look bad it is short it is okay yeah yeah so have to write my report now i guess yeah so we have everything we have the product we have the costs we have the possibility of everything yep it can not work that will not okay i think it is adjourned retire to my lair and finish the report that was a short meeting but efficient though the boss is always the last one to go home so probably see okay goodbye okay see you in a minute damn i will write that one in a word document okay could you guys draw me a picture of the final design to put on the cover of the report yeah sure can not we take this one 0 sh otherwise we have to do it all over again i do not really know whether we can save it as a picture or no is it okay if i try is that okay with you sure yeah okay i will ask you when i need the information i will put it back in a minute so it is 0 okay it has been saving something but where to i do not know 0 merge 0 can i say exp yes i can sucks export as j peg okay can i not put this wherever i wants my document is the wrong one huh yeah but i cannot network places i do not know smart no ma it is maybe it is not on the network of the rest i do not think so that one is document and settings i would not pick that one no that is a pity that means that we have to going to draw it again are you going to do that sure okay 0 that yes okay okay okay yes that is correct yeah okay okay no 0 it is export 0 yeah okay can i see scores 1123s 2 0 of course sorry okay then we will overall 2 points yes i see you later yeah" ]

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[ "okay things are expensive so form blah blah blah right got it close this we do not have any changes do we so no okay there we go go okay here we are again need tilt design 0 come on well i forgot to insert the minutes but it is about the same thing we discussed before it opened anyway i think other design anyway we took rubber as the material last time we also know you just been busy with it i took the advanced chip to implement the advanced features well we discussed the design no sharp corners we rounded it off like you see on the other screen which is fine probably we agreed that the color should be yellow and black it is in the back because it is trendy more training than black anyway so i am okay yeah we agreed that we would implement both lcd and speed recognition but i will get to that in the moment there is some changes in the financials have let us have implications anyway so so like i said we had no insight of finances no prices but we have them now and it is bad anyway we are both presentation well 1st you guys built the prototype so you could present that but let us see what we need to do no no just go ahead and present we will scrap it later because i think it is more as the same as we had it is basically what we agreed upon just a little bit more it has not changed that much no no not at all i did not expect any of it you just colored it final design basically india what we discussed cover and buttons where we made of rubber yellow color black components as you can see right over here i like the menu we chose a different type of color for the menu a bit darker yellow so that really shows in this keypad if you put them all black it is not really that good at contrast and i suppose the yellow is not printed on the rubber it is part of the rubber i suppose probably yeah i think that is more durable anyway than printed on too and i guess it is more easier to just paint it on the rubber than to that is the integration story again okay so we have it is a bit roundshed that is what we had we chose the buttons to be teletext okay button favorite channel and the mute so that is basically what we chose there okay if you have anything to add please interrupt me no this is just a description of what we see there so yeah speak for itself that is pretty much it okay that is my time to ruin everything well not ruin everything but 0 sorry no finances that is what we have here what you drew we have battery power we have advanced chips and the sensor the sensor the 1st peak recognition anyway so which you see the which is just one of the most expensive parts so well we have one curve their design rubber design and we had a special color suppose yellow was a special color so it is just half a euro you got push buttons and an lcd display gives us a total of €17 in production cost which is higher than the 125 that we are permitted to use so easy what do we script i think the best solution that i came up with are just to take out the speech recognition i would say that too because the lcd has more support on customer side there are 91% of the people or something like that but 90% who favor an lcd display and only 60% that favor speech recognition i think it is we do not really have an extra function with the speed tempo which you can not do with a normal remote control which people already do which is true i took that out so i was still stuck with 13 so i had to take out the special color i suppose and yeah i did not see anything else i could take out yeah i could take out the bush but we need those so fairly what i came up with in order to have production cause of €125 scrap speech recognition and the separate covers can account for the if people want it we will just then we will just do it in black well just delivered in black it has all the function that it is supposed to have and if you want it if you want the custom design then you can buy the separate covers you make it orange or whatever you want disagree with you on that because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this so can not we just basically extend it to 13 let us just see what we know we have to be under 12 and a half it is not okay there is a no go we go over 12 and a half so but there is another problem if you take another cover for instance black then we also need another button frame because black on black does not work obviously i think you that is what you were assigned to do really to see how both those work together yeah so i think yeah it is a thing one of the it is a good way to to help people to make to keep product trendy too just keep you just make new covers for it like we agreed before i agree and everything that is left is the basic function that we want our product to have because the expensive parts are in the advanced chip but we need that for the lcd display then again we have the lcd display which is also expensive yeah but let us go together and yeah we could take out the curve or say let us lose rubber we could take out the curve we could take out the curve is that an option yes for you although we are demolishing a little bit the style than really the curve because if you just end up with an entirely black i think it does ruin it but the fact that i took that decision or took this example actually not really a decision but the example is because we do offer the possibility of adding your own custom cover so you can change me into any color you want so it is just you deliver basic remote control with a possibility to change into whatever you want can we not also change the material we take place for the basic cover you can take plastic but something that is stuck into my mind is that something that really came forward from the marketing research is that people like the the squishy feeling of the spongy feeling of the we can put the other covers it also makes it different from the existing remote controls these are all plastic which in term rubber would increase durability because it does not break but what do you then suggest we lose because we have to lose 2 things then like i said i lost the speech recognition and i lost a special color which was make this okay and that is enough black and gray yeah that is enough so black and gray is okay i guess those are the basic colors which we can fabricate the people want to pay for it so why do we have to keep us on the 12 now to ensure the profit that is the order we are just we are the project team and we got our orders from the product from a loss of our company which say we do not want to spend more than 1250 for this that is not for our that is not our decision to take no we have a budget of 1250 per product you need to stick to that stick that i do not think it is really bad either i mean if we we have the the backup of or the backup design thing i hope the people would like it to have i think they would do i think they do like we we agree upon that the that the the cover thing was a nice idea because you could have all sorts designs while at the same time just manufacturing one product one basic product which you can turn into any any taste you want so i think it is the best solution to make those custom covers for the design aspect and keep the functionality between of within the boundaries of your budget so you should make clear to our customer that we had to do this to say under the cost and that they know that this is an option and that we had to drop option to stay under that cost that they know that well i do not think yeah it does not mean anything to the customer like it like we do not care that you had to know but perhaps i think okay they cover such a nice idea that is that then they allow us to make some more costs we can at least tell them we did not get that you do not think it is it should either be a pack maybe they should be sold in in this in stores with with a standard cover or something 0 i am not talking about that cost but the one that has given us the order to design this we could at least make it like this like you said and then tell them okay we had to drop this and that just that you know it is not still an option but not for this price yeah it is true so actually it is not that much of an increase but yeah we kind of contact them it is just the order that we got so that is what we got to go with so it is either one is fun just to get it just to get it through final it is either turned into plastic drop the squishy feel make it make it more breakable or turn it yellow so it is something we have to decide on i would say lose the curve 0 that is true he could lose the yeah i forgot that sorry about the curve so so which curve is that that is basically that is just this one just just this is the banana curve yeah so this would be straight no that would be a curve inside the thing i guess now that would just be a straight remote just like like that which would yeah turn it to something far more ordinary we could make it yellow then but you 2nd that you 2nd that you are 2nd to we lose the curve no that it would that it would turn out to be a pretty straightforward remote control okay yeah it is not really so i think it would be a good idea to keep the curve to separate from the rest of the remote control world so to speak so we keep the curve so the only solution is either to use the lose the yellow or lose the rubber and i am in favor of keeping the rubber because it has more advantages than the color yellow has i would say i would agree with you on the color because that is an extra option an extra service we can deliver for a little bit of more money yeah i guess people are willing to pay for that so i think we can take that option just with the idea in the back of our head that you can customize your remote control so i think that would still make it a nice product okay we are final on that so it is too bad we can not make the whole super thing but anyways we are here which is basically what we discussed just now that is just now we could just discuss how the project went i mean it was kind of i sort of expected that everything would turn out this way but because yeah everything cannot be for free we did not i think it was too bad we did not have the financial info the last time because that was it was really essential really too many because we spent an entire stage designing a product a product of which we had no idea what it would cost so we just put something i think it is really not in stroke with the reality actually i do i felt a bit blind throughout the project in the beginning i had no list of available materials it would have been materials would be available finances at least the last meeting i would have expected had to have that so let us see if it sells i mean i suppose this sales i suppose this sells because it is very extended i hope it sells i suppose it sells because it is good i mean it has got everything for the reasonable price because we did not know what it is going to cost anyway let us evaluate the product of us our design some method requirements and scale of i will present some statements and we will decide together what if it is true or false okay then we see if the requirements of the user are fulfilled or not okay and i will make a new blank sheet so so the buttons the look and feel i thought it was okay but that found the settings screen audio and channel which are basically accessible for the menu i think those are totally met because 0 the menu but really took them for the they have the feel they want they have the simplicity they want then it is all i think it is very very well met either 2 or one maybe i think we took that everything they wanted into consideration so it could either be a 2 or one so 015 which is not an option 0 yeah just create our own option look and feel it everywhere it is true yeah so anyone and the next one yeah when it is lost so you can find it even for deaf people yeah i do not think it is perfect but we did everything possible to get it back because it is stuck in your couch you can not see the light maybe you can not hear it but yeah i mean we try it so i think that is that there is a one and it is yeah definitely that is okay then and the next one i was that we had we do not have a manual manual yeah i think that is a lcd could be a little bit more difficult than a normal emotional yeah but then again it is for young people yeah and lcd it tells a lot about and it is pretty straightforward you have a navigation keys to navigate through the lcd menu so so it is one or no i think what we did not there was no issue on making a manual actually no it really discussed that is true i do not think it takes no it really does not take time to learn i think we took it so easy you have so little buttons everything speaks for itself everything speaks for itself really so i think that is yeah it is a 2 or one i guess maybe it is a 2 because the lcd is a little new there are some options hidden under the menu button so i might make this a 2 instead of a one i guess and the lcd you have to see it so let us make that a 2 okay yeah it is a little bit the same but it tells you or not can you do the lcd in a good way i think so i think it is perfect where it is what it can do if it is useful i think so what are we displaying on the lcd screen just only the channels and or in the menu sir what like brightness and those kind of things we have put in the menu because we have no buttons for those they will basically be menu options indeed 0 in the lcd screen i mean in the lcd screen the small screen and for a channel selection huh i thought it was i thought the people wanted previews on there i am sure if that even possible yeah i thought too because it is this requires quite a bit of bandwidth i do not think it is possible really but they did not really define what should be used for maybe a tv guide or something for example like tv guides i think that is that you can transmit through it and everything just for extra information on your programs it must be clear but also things like menus or how about preferences of your about configuring your remote control for your favorite channel for example how do you configure that so that could be done by the sd display i think it is good maybe it is not at one because we are not using it perfectly perfectly we did not give it i do not think we are discussing now we give it enough thought though yeah i think we should just lower this maybe it is a 3 though you could have used it more effectively probably yeah indeed so everybody is agree with and they are free on it we are using it but it is not it is not poorly used but it is not efficiently used i think we could have even lost the selection button and done everything via lcd selection yeah now it is just extra to illustrate him yeah i am sorry extra features but okay free no it is not really only an extra nothing 7 7 that is can you talk to remote control well we can not talk anymore so we scrape that or we could say neutral because we scratch the just to be a prick but of course you can talk to your remote control does not do anything you can talk to it not with the speed recognition yeah yeah all the trends and no colors anymore so well we did take everything in consideration of course yeah i think that is okay but the colors we do not have special colors no we do not have the colors but we took into consideration the fact that it is customizable to the fashion yeah we do not have it and product so we do not have it we do have it it is just sold as a package it is not part of the basic product changing covers is also trend that is what i called that is what i call trendy i mean the shape is trendy the functions are trendy it is just the colors that are not supporting the basic model because yeah it is just not affordable maybe we should go the 2 then because it is not perfect because we can not do it initially it is possible but you have to pay extra for the possibility of having a different color 0 well the 2 right the last one overall score overall it is it is 3 27 or something i do not know 216 divided by 6 223rd 22 3rd 23 so we can say it but we can say it the product is it is okay it is okay but mostly it is influenced by the fact that we did not have enough resources to implement speed recognition because yeah that gives you a 7 which ruins your average yeah without that it would be like under it would not yeah it would be under 2 so i think we have even with this it is reasonable yeah if we make it into a 4 as in neutral because we did not implement it so we can not say that we yeah that it is really not well implemented we come out on an average of 218 i think it is 2 is okay which is pretty well good yeah 2 at least on the positive side so definitely we could definitely have done better if we have had more resources but yeah i think it is probably yeah i do admit that we did miss a little or did not did not talk them talk enough about the possibility of the lcd display we could have used it more efficiently we just did not think of it that way with score for you so like i said changing channels everything hidden in your lcd display so you just need the navigation buttons to do everything but i think for this price this is really a reasonable product i think we did very well even if you look at this score we did quite well with an lcd screen just looking for improvements to what you could have improved if people really want speech recognition then they must be prepared to pay more because it is you should get kids just stick them in tv and say change the channel but for this price you cannot ask that i do not think so it is not affordable no you should lose the lcd screen probably but i think that is the lcd screen is more worth that speed recognition it is also more attractive definitely okay what was that yeah yeah so that is the final product without the speakers i guess let us see what was the left of that another one yeah we evaluate the product general project what is i mean for example i thought we were pretty creative and what we created we took the whole new approach of making exchangeable cover for example which i thought was pretty creative because it was never never ever listed somewhere favorite channel 0 anyways leadership is up to you i mean perhaps i screwed up because i put a speed recognition to do it but that is not for me to the side i think we did it pretty well teamwork though because it was very hard to work with one another if you cannot communicate in the meantime because when i got the when i got the input for the financial results initially of course i wanted to contact you say look yes is you are doing the wrong thing you are wasting your time now because we are implementing stuff that you can not afford so it would be better if you if there was more communication between the right is that is what we would normally do either call or email someone so that was too bad can was not possible here it was the same thing that i had in the beginning everybody was using materials that i did not have it did not have or did not know what they cost or whatever there was just too little information about what things actually cost and if you could use them so that was a little unclear i suppose i think that is smart way smartbu was pretty cool i think especially for design issues my handwriting it is very easy just to give your thoughts a little it is easier to share them although for actual design i would say the response time should be the response time is very bad it is good to visualize everything but i think the response time should be a lot better the digital pen was definitely better to draw my ideas and to further elaborate on that but there is also one problem with this i noticed you have to finish a page before you do not have to no you do not no you do not i did not check the finish button you can copy it or whatever okay i saw that only if you check the notes or press done then it just you just you just you can just then it then you can then exports the word automatically but it is not necessary to check either one of those 2 okay but i may review you but you can just preview your page in the in the program okay but i made 3 pages and they were not finished and when the 3rd one was finished i wanted to download it and then it was not possible anymore because you have to close all the pinets the pages before going further okay before starting a new page okay so you cannot work on one on one page at the same time that is not possible okay finish it completely then download it it is then start a new one yeah okay that is not very handy if you know that then it is understandable okay any new ideas yeah more communication between that is the thing i noticed the communication is very important very important because if you get new information it is essential for your other teammates to know that as soon as possible because you would avoid doing extra work because you were doing extra work now working on the speech or ignition implementation both on the technical and on the design side so i think that could have been better but that is i think it is more of a setting here that you kind of communicate then somewhere else yeah we could also possibly be is a more real time information base so we can all see yeah i think so and less information is available i am not sure i am not sure you got spammed as well but i get spent like every every 2 minutes there was a there was another email about master classes or something which were totally useless actually i thought i should probably look into them they were all useless so i just i personally did not have that but that is probably your description what i also did not not really you had that as well is that we finished up the design and then we checked the website and then there was just extra information after 5 minutes there was a little delay in that yeah i did not have any more information it is just always the same here so that is that is kind of a email would change but not for me so i had no extra information to go and i would you give me actually i could not do any research myself or that is that is yeah i could have done a little extra work probably and but i was busy enough anyway so do any ideas found or that it is probably yeah yeah yeah how much time do we have for this anyway i have no clue it was like 0 what it if the project is evaluated and it was within budget we should celebrate bring out the beer champagne okay that is about it i am not sure what we should still do though let us see what all your tasks are finished right yeah i have no email my coach is being very silent now yeah my personal coach i think i still have the total report to finish up i think we took very little time now because yeah we are in agreement everything the design is okay one thing we missed though we do not have a product name no how about you how about you it is better than a serial number sony tr something means nothing to me 0 think of a catchy name i will be working on this until the beep until the beep fruit name is fruit name or something like that the banana remote or something you do not want it to remember a banana yeah it is the form it is not yellow anyway because it is not yellow anymore 0 yeah it is curved yeah well i was going for the art going for the rc deluxe but it is not really a catchy name or anything it is more no it is at least it is not something with numbers numbers are so meaningless to the people something with our company name can we do anything of that real reaction the reaction deluxe the reaction the deluxe step into the future of remote controlling your tv is that a name or a campaign that is a catch you a slogan control your remote control the real reactor i go for future rc probably really so thank a real reactor i do not find that bad at all real reactor yeah i mean that real reaction it makes me think of different products in a remote control really i am not sure reaction so that is one option so that is one option reactor i am looking for things in the name should i write the banana down yeah sure i take a the banana remote banana receipt the triple r real reaction remote remote triple r 3 c do you mean it like r 3 c do you mean it like this yeah real reaction remote control r 3 c 0 yeah no i got it should be longer because it is not a product name it should be a box triple r does not sound down write out triple like a word triple r c triple striped triple r dash c the triple rc triple rc yeah r 3 c r 3 c r c dash c i think i like it like this more triple r or triple rc like a c right now or a dash in a c how about do both sure if it looks stupid i think that the rc together takes away the image of it is a triple the 1st one looks like it is a triple remote control but it is only a single remote control and it is especially on the triple r that is important i would lose the c and just name it triple r the triple rc is not it sounds like thinking about 2 different things and combining it i would just say triple r triple r yeah yeah triple r there is also short catchy okay so which one are we going to scratch definitely banana i would say this one as well yeah the deluxe i think we are all in the green not the triple r triple r is cool triple r triple r it looks cool and you are printed in a font looks pretty cool what did you do now just like this and you just print triple art it does not look bad it is short it is okay yeah so if you write my report now i guess yeah so we have everything at the product we have the costs we have the possibility of everything okay i think it is adjourned retired to my layer and finish the report report it was a short meeting efficient though the boss is always the last one to go home probably okay goodbye see you in a minute i will write that i will write that one in a word document okay could you guys could you guys draw me a picture of the final design to put on the cover of the yeah sure can not we take this one otherwise we have to do it all over again i do not really know whether we can save it as a picture or no is it okay if i try is it okay with you yeah okay i will ask you when i will put it back i need the information so it is okay it has been saving something but where too i do not know i do not know no 0 can i say export yes i can export as sheepish okay can i can not put this my document is the wrong one my document is the wrong one huh i cannot network places smart no it is not on a network of the rest i do not think so that one i would not pick that one no that is pity that means that we have to draw it again are you going to do that are you going to do that sure help okay okay you are safe on the g pack yes that is enough it is safe then okay okay okay okay you do not have to do anything else and the meeting is over i am yes that is great yeah and you can return to your room where the last final 3 questioners will be sent okay okay okay no 0 it is export 0 yeah it must only okay okay can i see scores 0 of course sorry let us 1123 okay i will overall 2 yes i will see you later yeah i am going to be i am going to be" ]

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[ "all hooked up okay so now we are here at the functional design meeting hopefully this meeting i will be doing a little bit less talking than i did last time cause this is when you get to show us what you have been doing individually the agenda for the meeting i put it in the sh shared documents folder i do not know if that meant that you could see it or not did anyone no no 0 well i will try and do that for the next meeting as well so if you check in there there is a shared project documents folder and it should be in there wi on on a what 0 project project documents yeah yeah yeah okay project documents yeah so i will put it in there 0 okay yeah is it best if i send you an email maybe to let you know it is there yes i think so yep i will do that next time i will act as secretary for this meeting and just take minutes as we go through and then i will send them to you after the meeting the main the main focus of this meeting is your presentations that you have been preparing during the time so we will go through each of you one by one then we need to briefly discuss the new project requirements that were sent to us i just sent at the last minute i am sorry about that but we can see how that affects what you were you were doing yeah the last minute yeah yeah yeah and then we need to by the end of the meeting come to some kind of decision on who our target group is going to be and what the functions of the remote control that is the the main goal is to come up with those 2 things target group and functions of the remote control and we have got 40 minutes to do that in so i would you said targ target groups what does that mean say yeah as who it is that we are going to be trying to sell this thing to yeah okay kay so are so we need to yeah we need to have a fairly defined group that that we want to focus on and then look at the functions of the dem remote control itself okay so with that i think it is best if i hand over to you does anyone have a preference for going 1st alright i can go 1st yeah you want to go 1st okay okay so we need to unplug my laptop and plug in yours i assume we just pull it out right so f from the just before you start to make it easier would you 3 mind emailing me your presentations once we you do not have to do it now but when once you go back just so that i do not have to scribble everything down okay yeah afterwards yeah okay right sure okay so n with with regard to the working design of this remote control i have identified a few basic components of the remote and se from the design functional design perspective w i c we can now know wha what exactly the components are and how how they work together with each other so this is the method that i will mostly be following in my in my role the identification of the components and since since i am dealing only with the technical aspects i would need feedback from the marketing person and from the user interface person we will then integrate this into the product design at a technical level and basically update and come up with a new design so it is a cyclical process okay so these were the basic findings from today the last 3 bullets have been integrated from the last minute email i just quickly jotted them down so basically the as i told you the identification of how the remote control works and what are the various parts to it and what are the different processes and how the parts communicate with each other okay so e the mee email said that teletext is now outdated so we need to do away with that functionality of the remote control also the remote control should be used only for television because incorporating other features makes it more comp complex and the reason why teletext is outdated because of internet and the availability of internet over television how however our our remote control would only be dealing with the the use for television in order to keep things simple also the management wants that our design should be unique it so it should incorporate color and the slogan that our company has it as its standard okay so he he here is a functional overview of the remote control there is basically an energy source at the heart which feeds into the chip and the user interface the user interf interface communicates with the chip so i will basic go over to the okay so if if this is our energy source and this is a cell it communicates it feeds energy into the into the chip which basically finds out h how how to do everything there is a user interface here so whe when the user presses a button it feeds into the chip and the chip then generates a response and takes the response to an infrared terminal which then so the output of the chip is an infrared bit code which is then communicated to the remote site which h has an infrared receiver the there can be a bulb here or something to indicate whether the remote is on or communicating so these are the essent so a all the functionality of the remote control whatever new functions that we need to do make the chip more complicated and bigger basically okay so i in my personal preferences i am hoping that we can ke keep the design as simple and clear as possible this would help us to upgrade our technology at a future point of time and also if we can incorporate the latest features in our chip design so that our remote control does not become outdated soon and it is compatible with mot most televisions that is about it thanks so anything that you would like to know or okay do you have any i idea about costs at this point no i do not have any idea about what each component costs br yeah okay anything else cause that is something to consider i guess if we are if we are using more advanced technology it might yeah certainly yeah so so tha yeah we definitely need to operate within our constraints increase the price yeah but unfortunately i i do not have any data so i just identified the functional components for that that is fine are there any more questions or shall we just skip straight to the next one and then we can discuss all of them together at the end i think we need like some general discussion at the end probably yeah i think that will do yeah okay yeah okay so do you want to yeah i think since since we were discussing some design issues then i i i would like to continue okay yeah yes shall shall we pull this up i think that has to come out of there yeah yeah kay thanks yeah i thought those last minute things they are going to hit you the worst 0 i okay i hope wait should it just i it will take some time it ta takes a little there is just nothing 0 and have you you need to then also press on yours function f 8 so the blue function key at the bottom and f 8 0 right right right okay nothin okay something is coming up 0 there it is yeah now it is coming computer no signal it will come up it no signal no signal why maybe again yeah yeah it says something now adjusting 0 my my computer went blank now okay adjusting adjusting but i do not see anything i do not see anything on my computer now there we go there we go okay this is the problem but 0 that is strange 0 if you press if you press function and that again there is there is usually 3 modes one where it is only here one where it is only there and one where it is both okay and one more time okay so one more time now it is okay no no should yeah just wait for a moment adjusting 0 okay okay okay that is fine that is good okay let us start from the beginning so i am going to speak about technical functions design just like some some 1st issues that came up kay so the method i was adopting at this point it is not for the for the whole period of the all the project but it is just at th at this very moment my method was to look at other remote controls so mostly just by searching on the web and to see what functionality they used and then after having got this inspiration and having compared what i found on the web just to think about what the de what the user really needs and what what the user might desire as additional functionalities and yeah and then just to put the main function of the remote control in in words so the findings were that the main function of the remote control is is just sending messages to the television set so this quite straightforward and w some of the main functions would be switching on switching off then the user would like to switch the channel for example just m changing to the next channel to to flip through all all of the possible channels or then the other possibility would be that she might just want to choose one particular channel so we would need the numbers and and also the volume is very important i als okay sorry cou could you go back for a 2nd switching on off channel volume okay that is great kay among the findings i found that m m most of the curr presently available remote controls also include other functionalities in their design like operating a v c r but they do not seem to be able to deal with d v d players but then there are surely there are many other functionali functions that could possibly be added to them but according to the last minute update actually we do not want to have all this complicated functions added to our design so my personal preferences would be to keep the the whole remote control small just like the physical size and then it must be easy to use so it must follow some conventions like whereabouts you find the on off button and maybe the color tends to be red or something then yeah the must have buttons would be on off and then the channel numbers and then the one that allows us to go to the next or the previous channel and then volume has to be there but then other functionalities could be just there could be a menu button and you could change things on the screen then for example brightness and similar functions could be just done through the menu and yeah the last question i had about whether we wanted to incorporate n more functionalities the answer was already no because of the last minute update so at the for the time being that is that is all if you have questions yeah if i mean that was the the directive that came through from management but if we had a a decent case for that we really think it is important to include video and d v d i could get back to them and see it is w it is just whether it is worth arguing about yeah and also it is it is other question is because there are so many different and there are so many different things that could possibly be included because besides video and d v d there are the video c d s and whatever so it might be problematic to to choose between all these possible things yeah okay are there any questions for clarification of maarika before we go on to the next one so in the u user interface requirements we we have been able to identify what are the basic buttons that we do want but so so at this stage how we go about implementing those button we will not identify or i mean in we can completely do away with buttons and have some kind of a fancy user interface or something like that but is is there any any thoughts on that well i think the buttons are still kind of the most easy for the user to use i mean what other options would you have right a little screen or something but this would be really kind of i think a lot of learning for the user and and i mean the user just wants to get get a result quickly yeah and it will make the costs yeah not to spend time in like giving several orders i dunno right i think i th i would i would think the put the buttons but if if you have other proposals i think the co costs will also play a big role when we come to know about them so well we can probably wait until t we have more knowledge on that yeah yeah i if the if the costs allow we can have like an l c d display and with because we do want something fancy and fashionable as well so yeah yep cool sure we can discuss that maybe after the next one cool do you want to yeah do you want to give me the little cable thing am i going in the right direction yeah no wait okay here it comes 0 i am getting hungry okay here you are cool ah that is why it will not meet okay cool you set yep cool okay functional requirements we need to do the function key thing so that it comes up on here alright yeah hello try to press 0 okay yep is it plugged in prop it is working it is working okay excellent cool okay so what i have wh where i have got my information from is a survey where the usability lab observed remote control use with a 100 subjects and then they gave them a questionnaire so it was all about you know how people feel about the look and feel of the remote control you know what is the most annoying things about remote controls and the possibility of speech recognition and l c d screens in remote control not that they actually gave me any answers on the l c d screens so i should have taken that bit out but anyway okay so what they found is that people do not like how current remote controls are so you know definitely you should be looking at something quite different 75% of users find most remote controls ugly the other 25% have no fashion sense 80% of users would spend more to get you know a nice looking remote control current remote controls they do not match the user behavior well as you will see on the next slide i dunno what zapping is but it is switching between channels sort of randomly going through 0 right but you have that little thing that comes up at the bottom and tells you what is on okay 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons so that is going back to what you know we were saying earlier about you know do you need all the buttons on the remote control they just make it look ugly right okay cool so this is my little graph thing ooh that is a bit difficult to see k if you explain it to us it will be fine okay well i can send it to all of you yeah what it is is it is cones cause i thought they would be more exciting but ooh where is it go i liked the i liked the litt ooh come back back 0 no 0 yes cool okay i am going to stop playing with the little pointy thing okay so like what it shows is how much things are used relatively and what you can clearly see from that is the thing that is used most is the channel selection okay what you can not see is volume selection it is a little bit higher than all the others that is the next one along yeah yeah so what the graph shows is that you know power channel selection and volume selection are important and the rest of them you know nobody really uses and so that is the the numbers along the top represent their like their importance you know so on a scale of one to 10 how important is that and you know channel selection and volume selection are absolutely essential and the power well it is not quite so essential apparently although i do not understand how it could not be and everything else i think you know you can forget about having those buttons on the remote control cause they are just not needed and they are not used okay this is the bit that the email messed up for me and that is what i was fiddling about with at the beginning of the thing okay cool so okay so this is what people find annoying about remote controls that they get lost that the you know they are not intuitive and that they are bad for repetitive strain injury i think if you are watching enough t v to get repetitive strain injury from you know the remote control watching t v then that is the least of your problems but you know it is up there that yeah okay so i mean the the r s i thing would be that like when you have the computer keyboards and you keep your wrists up would be something that encourages you want something with an ergonomic t design that encourages good use of the remote control and you know right not straining your wrists watching t v yes okay cool right sorry this is pink because i was copying and pasting the table and i did not have time to white it out again that is alright okay but that shows how people whether they would pay more for voice recognition software so you can see from that that you know younger people to the age of 35 are quite likely to pay quite a lot more f well quite are quite likely to pay more for voice recognition software whereas as people get older they are a bit more skeptical about it and they are less willing to to try it so clearly voice recognition is something to think about but you know i d i do wonder how well that would work given that a t v you know tends to be people talking and you know how are you going to stop it from just flipping channels whilst watching t v right okay cool okay so these are my personal preferences so you have sleek stylish sophisticated you know so something that is you know a bit cool you know functional so it is useful but minimalist there is a there is an important thing that you know people use when you know when you are filling up your home you know a lot of people fill up their home with bits of crap basically you know and you have got all this stuff and you are just like what the hell is that who is ever going to use it you know so things should either be functional or beautiful or preferably both so i think we need to aim for both okay then a long battery life like you were talking about earlier and you know i was thinking that solar power would be quite cool because you know your remote control just sits there and you could just sit it in the sunshine and save the environment a bit and then like a locator so you know kind of like you have for a mobile phone or not a mobile phone some kind of a ring some keys and things like that yeah yeah that is it you know whistle and it screams at you yeah i know it is weird my flatmate and i were talking about this on the way into uni this morning and i was like i need to get one for everything so yeah so maybe something where you clap and then it beeps something a kind of sound that you do not often hear on the t v you know right cause you do not want your remote control beeping every 5 minutes cause you you would then deliberately lose it by throwing it out the window or something so okay cool that is me that is you excellent okay that is great thanks that is very good very interesting i am just going to tick yes so we have got about 1015 minutes to discuss i think one of the very interesting things that came up in ka kate cat cat is presentation was this this issue of like voice recognition being more popular with younger people cat is ca so if we need to have a target group then i think as far as the m motto of our company is concerned if we want to have something sleek and you know good looking we are better off targeting a younger audience then you know people who are comparatively elderly yeah i mean that is the thing is that it did not say in the survey you know whether right you know these are the people that will pay more for a more stylish remote control but i am assuming you know yes right bu but but the survey did say that f things like voice recognition are more popular with them so if you want to put in something stylish yeah then th it will certainly be more popular with this i ye with the younger people as compared to older people yeah yeah then again i guess the th where it was most popular was the 15 to 25 bracket and the i do not know how often they are buying televisions right and right well that is when you go to uni is not it so you know yeah but you do not have much money generally yeah yeah you share a television or something that yeah i would have thought it is it is more that 25 to 35 when people are really moving out and they have got their 1st job and they want their nice toys and right yeah but still if if you can go back to that slide and how popular was it 00 it is on sorry we unplugged it 0 i have unplugged it do you want me to 00 okay here let me that is alright if you can just look it up on your computer wh people between 25 to 35 yeah yeah how popular was so it was sti still still quite popular amongst them 763% it was 70 something yeah yeah yeah so even they are 76% is that high amount yeah i kn i mean i know what you are saying about the 15 to 25 year olds yeah but i mean it has been proven that that people of that age group have a higher disposable income because they do not have like i mean you know if you are at university you are paying your rent but you do not have a mortgage you do not have a life insurance policy you do not yeah they have got no commitments and alright usually not a car and all of those things normally have a car yeah so kids yeah you are still learning to drive actually so that just costs more than a car but yeah yeah so you are more likely to b yeah so i mean like it is an age group to target really i think yeah and if we are if we are talking €25 as a price that is not unaffordable even for young people no i mean that is what that is like £15 yeah you know i think yeah this this is not unaffordable but the problem is whether people need it whether they do have a t v to use its full yeah yeah i d i do not know many people without a t v yeah yeah but do they we did not have a t v last year and everyone thought we were off our heads you know but the t v s are often kind of someone is old t v that is blah blah and be a bit strange to have a fancy rome remote common the students yeah yeah the s the stu yeah and the remote control might not yeah it might not even function with the old t v bu but even even in the case of 25 to 35 it is quite popular right yeah i d well we have we have got quite a d decent t v yeah we are still yeah yeah so are are are or w maybe we can just kind of yeah i think i think the fact that you know 912% of 15 to 25 year olds are saying yes i would pay more for a voice recognition remote control does say quite a lot really yeah you know so i mean that and the disposable income and i do not think it is something to ignore you know yeah yeah but at the same time i think maybe we can we can just decide to to have both of these groups as our target yeah because actually i mean they are all still re young people is not a massive difference you know yeah yeah if we ta if we take 15 to 35 but that then does imply that we should try and incorporate voice recognition no do totally yeah is that going to have a an implication for the technical specs i was having a a general outlook on m most like sophisticated features but voice recognition itself i am not very sure about because one of the p things that cat pointed out was how do we go about implementing it and you do have it in your mobile phone though do not you because you have like i mean every mobile phone now has like call this person and it calls them yeah yeah but how frequently do we use it anyway and h ho how good is it you know voice recognition softwares are still quite yeah yeah i do not know yeah with but with a t v remote it is going to be quite limited if we are t saying the main things people want to do is on off channel 5 an yeah yeah yeah right louder tha that should be relatively simple s so right okay y you would maybe need a code word 0 do you know what i mean right so like when you say change except that is being said quite a lot on t v so maybe like you know remote i mean how often do people say remote on t v yeah although i only watch charmed so really i would not know but like so you would just say remote 5 you know remote 10 remote 129 right yeah okay so it seems like a feasible thing to implement for for a limited yeah yeah yeah but maybe if you want to look into that just to just to check so if we go for the the 15 to 35 age group yeah but and then of course we are going to get th anyone who is older than 35 who wants to look young and hip and trendy and has the money yeah yeah sure yeah yeah then they will they will still go for the same advertising yeah i do not think there is a lot of voice recognition remote controls yeah w well now the v the voice recognition if if it works wonderfully w we could possibly do away with all buttons but i think this is not really the right moment yet because people are just so used to buttons and yeah it is it is kind of safer so we we need both yeah i think we need both w what so the voice recognition would be just an extra it would not really reduce the size of the remote yeah what wh what i was thinking is that there is this separation between what the channels are on t v and how they are numbered on the remote control if we can do with away with that our product can be really popular in the sense that a person can say i want to watch i t v one instead of saying that i want to go onto channel number 45 huh yeah that would be another way to do it huh yeah so if if something like that can be incorporated some kind of so that if that was in the the voice recognition that would be great yeah but then the code word would be even more important because i mean sky advertise on every channel do not they you know yeah yeah so then it would be you would be watching charmed and then the sky advert would come on and it would change to sky watch sky and yeah yeah yeah and that would be really annoying alright yeah that is right but that is definitely a possibility yeah but m but on the other hand remote control is not as close to you you probably might just just speak into it and and the t v would be already further away yeah so it might not pick up the other things coming from there yeah do you not think that defeats the object of having voice recognition on a remote control though so that you can yell at it yeah yeah you know so you have to have the remote control it is more like if you lost it and it is down the sofa sometime you can yell at it and it will just change it you can look for it later yeah yeah alright yeah but then the remote control i think i mean the idea is kind of it is it is not that it is sitting there on on top of the television because then you could already yell at the television and you would not you you would not need the remote control so the remote control is still something you keep n near yourself yeah yeah i suppose nearer to you but a b like if you have surround sound then yeah and it might become very difficult from a distance for the television to understand what you are saying because of the noise factor for the remote control being cl i mean it will it will yeah yeah yeah yeah no but i i i was just defending the the fact why why we want to keep the remote control close to us yeah a and not to yell at it from the distance yeah yeah yeah so wh another thing that can be used is that there can be a beeper button on the t v so you can go and press that button and and the remote control wherever it is it will beep so we we can probably come to know where it is that is but then if you are buying the remote separately but y you could have something okay yeah 0 yeah yeah but i if it was something that you could like stick onto the t v or something right yeah yeah yeah okay yeah some like a 2 p if you bought it in a 2 part pack so one part attaches to the t v yeah cause it is it is quite important that you do not lose the the bit to locate the remote control the l well that is right but it solves the problem of having different noises alright yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah okay i think we are going to have to wrap this up but if we go away with that that kind of general specification in mind that we are looking at 15 to 35 year olds we want it to look simple but still have the buttons so it is easy to use but only those key buttons the major buttons and then one sort of menu one the major ones yeah and then voice recognition included as an option but that obviously needs a little bit more working out as to whether it is really feasible and some of those problems we were mentioning right okay what we have to do now is to go back to our little places complete our questionnaire and some sort of summarisation which y you will get immediately by email send me your presentations so that i can use them to make the minutes and then we have got a lunch break and after lunch we go back to our own little stations and have 30 minutes more work i will put the minutes in that project documents folder but i will send you an email when i do it so that you know so where exactly is this i it should be on your desktop so on the yeah ah okay yeah yeah so i will put it i will put them there as soon as i have written them did you find it it is just yeah yeah yeah yeah in that one right yeah yeah and email them round 0 so y you want our powerpoint presentations in there hey yeah that would be great okay 0 so so we will just put them i there we we yeah w we will not even okay 0 yeah put them in there yeah then you do not have to email them there you go but is everyone is called functional requirements no they are all called something slightly different no technical requirements and something something yeah okay so that is good yeah that is me done so if you put them in there we will all be able to see them and refer to them if we need to okay cool as to where we are going from here you are going to look at the components concept right yeah whatever that means yeah yeah i guess i will find out you will be looking you will be looking at the user interface concept something conceptual yeah on something conceptual and you are watching trends to see how we go and surely voice recognition will fall off the map or something that we will keep keep our options op wha what was it again that i was supposed to look into con components 0 components yeah sorry but the next meeting are we going to have it right after lunch or shall we prepare our no we have we have after lunch we have 30 minutes to ourselves to prepare to prepare okay yeah that is good so that is fine w before lunch we just have to complete the questionnaire and some sort of summary okay okay right on time cool okay so you can i guess we will see you for lunch in a sec okay see you" ]

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[ "all hooked up okay so now we are here at the functional design meeting hopefully this meeting i will be doing a little bit less talking than i did last time because this is when you get to show us what you have been doing individually individually the agenda for the meeting i put it in the shared documents folder i do not know if that meant that you could see it or not no 0 well i will try and do that for the next meeting as well so if you check in there there is a shared project documents folder and it should be in there and i am on the work or project documents yeah yeah okay yeah so i will put it in there okay is it best if i send you an email maybe to let you know it is there yes thanks i will do that next time i will act as secretary for this meeting and just take minutes as we go through and then i will send them to you after the meeting the main focus of this meeting is your presentation presentations that you have been preparing during the time so we will go through each of you one by one then we need to briefly discuss the new project requirements that were sent to us yeah the last minute yeah i am sorry about that but we can see how that affects what you were you were doing and then we need to by the end of the meeting come to some kind of decision on who our target group is going to and what the functions of the remote control that is the main goal is to come up with those 2 things target group and functions of the remote control and we have got 40 minutes to do that in so i would say you said target groups what does that mean so who it is that we are going to be trying to sell this thing to me okay so we need to yeah we need to have a we need to have a fairly defined group that we want to focus on and then look at the functions of the remote control itself so with that i think it is best if i hand over to you does anyone have a preference for going 1st i can go 1st you can go 1st okay so we need to unplug my laptop and plug your i assume we just pull it out so from the just before you start to make it easier would you 3 mind emailing me your presentations once we you do not have to do it now but once you go back just so that i do not have to scribble everything down okay so with regard to the working design of this remote control i have identified a a few basic components of the remote and from the design functional design perspective we can now know what exactly the components are and how they work together with each other so this is the method that i will mostly be following in my in my role the identification of the components and since i am dealing only with the technical aspects i would need feedback from the marketing person and from the user interface person we will then integrate this into the product design at a technical level and basically update and come up with a new design so it is a cyclical process okay so these were the basic findings from today the last 3 bullets have been integrated from the last minute email i just quickly jotted them down so basically as i told you the identification of how the remote control works and what are the various parts to it and what are the different processes and how the parts communicate with each other okay so the email said that teletext is now outdated so we need to do away with that functionality of the remote control also the remote control should be used only for television because incorporating other features makes it more complex and the reason why teletext is outdated because of internet and the availability of internet over television however our remote control will only be dealing with the use for television in order to keep things simple also the management wants that our design should be unique so it should incorporate color and the slogan that our company has it as its standard okay so here is a functional overview of the remote control there is basically an energy source at the heart which feeds into the chip and the user interface the user interface communicates with the chip so i will basically go over to the so if this is our energy source this is a cell it communicates it feeds energy into the chip which basically finds out how to do everything there is a user interface here so when the user presses a button it feeds into the chip and the chip then generates a response and takes the response to an infrared terminal so the output of the chip is an infrared bitcode which is then communicated to the remote site which has an infrared receiver there can be a bulb here or something to indicate whether the remote is on or communicating so these are the essential so all the functionality of the remote control whatever new functions that we need to do make the chip more complicated and bigger basically okay so in my personal preferences i am hoping that we can keep the design as simple and clear as possible this would help us to upgrade our technology at a future point of time and also if we can incorporate the latest features in our chip design so that our remote control does not become outdated soon and is compatible with most televisions that is about it so anything that you would like to know or do you have any idea about costs at this point no i do not have any idea about what each component costs that is something to consider i guess if we are using more advanced technology it might certainly yeah so that yeah we definitely need to operate within our constraints yeah but unfortunately i do not have any data so i just identified the functional components that is fine are there any more questions or should we just skip straight to the next one and then we can discuss all of them together i think we need like some general discussion at the end yeah i think that will do okay so do you want to yeah i think since we were discussing some design issues then i would like to continue okay should we pull this up i think that has to come out of there yeah thanks yeah i thought those last minute things are going to hit you at worst okay we hope right should it just it will take some time it takes a little there is just nothing and have you you need to then also press on your 0 right right right f 8 so the blue function key at the bottom okay and f 8 nothing okay something is coming out it will come up no signal no signal why maybe again yeah yeah it says something now 0 my computer one blank now okay interesting adjusting but i do not see anything i do not see anything on my computer now this is the problem if you press function and that again there is usually 3 modes one where it is only here one where it is only there and one where it is built okay so one more time and now it is okay no no just wait for a moment adjusting okay okay that is fine that is good okay let us start from the beginning so i am going to speak about technical functions design just like some some 1st issues that came up okay so the method i was adopting at this point it is not for the whole period of the of the project but it is just at this very moment and my method was to look at other remote controls so mostly just by searching on the web and to see what functionality they used and then after having got this inspiration and having compared what i found on the web and just to think about what they usually really needs and what the user might desire as additional functionalities and then just to put the main function of the remote control in words so the findings were that the main function of the remote control is is just sending messages to the television set so this is quite straightforward and some of the main functions would be switching on switching off and then the user would like to switch the channel for example just changing to the next channel to flip through all of the possible channels or then the other possibility would be that she might just want to choose one particular channel so we would need the numbers and and also the volume is very important i was so could you go back for a 2nd switching on off channel okay that is good okay among the findings i found that most of the current presently available remote controls also include other functionalities in their design like operating a vcr but they do not seem to be able to deal with dvd players but then there are surely there are many other functional functions that could possibly be added to them but according to their last minute update actually we do not want to have all these complicated functions added to our design so my personal preferences would be to keep the the whole remote control small just like the physical size and then it must be easy to use so it must follow some conventions like whereabouts you find the on off button and maybe the color tends to be red or something then yeah the must have buttons would be on off and then the channel numbers and then the one that allows us to go to the next or the previous channel and then volume has to be there but then other functionalities could be just there could be a menu button and you could change things on the screen then for example brightness and similar functions could be just done through the menu and yeah the last question i had about whether we wanted to incorporate more functionalities the answer was already no because of the last minute update so for the time being that is all if you have questions i mean that was the directive that came through from management but if we had a decent case for that we really think it is important to include video on dvd i could get back to them and see it is just whether it is worth arguing about yeah and also it is the question is because there are so many different that could possibly be included because besides video and dvd there are the video cds and whatever so it might be problematic to choose between all these possible things okay are there any questions for clarification verification of marica before we go on to the next one so in the user interface requirements we have been able to identify what are the basic buttons that we do want but so at this stage how we go about implementing those buttons we will not identify or i mean we can completely do away with buttons and have some kind of a fancy user interface fancy user interface or something like that but is there any thoughts on that well i think the buttons are still kind of the most easy for the user to use i mean what other options would you have a little screen or something but this would be really kind of i think a lot of learning for the user and i mean the user just wants to get a result quickly not to spend time in like giving several orders i do not know i think i would i would think the buttons but if you have other proposals yeah i think the cost will also play a big role when we come to know about them so we can probably wait until we have more knowledge on that yeah if the costs allow we can have like an lcd display and because we do want something fancy and fashionable as well so yeah yeah sure we can discuss that maybe after the next one cool do you want to do you want to yeah alright am i going in the right direction no wait here i am getting hungry okay here you are cool that is why it went to okay cool okay cool okay we need to we need to do the function key thing so that it comes up on how so that it comes up on her hi hello i try to press okay it is working yeah excellent okay so what i have right where i have got my information from is a survey where the usability lab observed remote control use with a 100 subjects and then they gave them a questionnaire so it was all about you know how people feel about the looking feel of the remote control you know what is the most annoying things about remote controls and the possibility of speech recognition in lcd screens in remote control not that they actually gave me any answers on the lcd screen so i should have taken that bit out but anyway okay so what they found is that people do not like how current remote controls are so you know definitely you should be looking at something quite different 75% of users find remote controls ugly the other 25% have no fashion sense 80% of users would spend more to get you know a nice looking remote control current remote controls they do not match the user behavior well as you will see on the next slide i do not know what zapping is but it is switching between channels sort of randomly going through 0 right but you have that little thing that comes up at the bottom and tells you what is on okay 50% of users say they only use 10% of the button so that is going back to what you know we were saying earlier about you know do you need all the buttons on the remote control it just make it look ugly okay cool so this is my little graph thing difficult to see if you explain it to us it will be fine okay well i can send it to all of you what it is is it is cones because i thought they would be more exciting i like that 0 come back back all right cool okay i am going to stop playing with the little point of things okay so like what it shows is how much things are used relatively and what you can clearly see from that is the thing that is used most is the channel selection what you can not see is volume selection is a little bit higher than all the others that is the next one along yeah yeah so what the graph shows is that you know power channel selection and volume selection are important and the rest of them you know nobody really uses and so that is the numbers along the top represent they are like they are important you know so on a scale of one to 10 how important is that and you know channel selection volume selection are absolutely essential and the power well it is not quite so essential apparently although i do not understand how it can be and everything else i think you know you can forget about having those buttons on the remote control because they are just not needed and they are not used okay this is the bit that the email messed up for me that is what i was fiddling about with at the beginning okay cool so okay so this is what people find annoying about remote controls that they get lost that they are not intuitive and that they are bad for repetitive strain injury i think if you are watching enough tv to get repetitive strain injury from you know watching tv that is the least of your problem but you know except there yeah okay so i mean the rsi thing would be that like when you have the computer keyboards and you keep your wrist up will be something that encourages you want something with an ergonomic design that encourages good use of the remote control and not straining your wrists watching tv yes okay cool right sorry this is pink because i was copying and pasting the table i did not have time to write it out again okay but that shows how people whether they would pay more for voice recognition software so you can see from that that you know younger people so age of 35 are quite likely to pay quite a lot more well quite are quite likely to pay more for voice recognition software whereas as people get older they are a bit more skeptical about it and they are less willing to try it so clearly voice recognition is something to think about but you know i do wonder how well that would work given that a tv you know tends to be people talking and you know how are you going to stop it from just flipping channels whilst watching tv okay cool okay so these are my personal preferences so you have sleek stylish sophisticated you know so something that is you know a bit cool you know functional so it is useful but minimalist there is an important thing that you know people use when you know when you are filling up your home you know a lot of people fill up their home with bits of crap basically you know and you have got this stuff and you are just like what the hell is that who is ever going to use it you know so things should either be functional or beautiful or preferably both so i think we need to aim for both okay then a long battery life like you were talking about earlier and you know i was thinking that solar power would be quite cool because you know your remote control just sits there and you could just sit it in the sunshine and save the environment a bit and then like a locator so you know kind of like you have a mobile phone or not a mobile phone some kind of a ring yeah that is it you know whistle and it it is weird my flatmate and i were talking about this on the way into uni this morning and i was like i need to get one for everything so yeah so maybe something where you clap and then it beeps something it kind of sound that you do not often hear on the tv you know because you do not want your remote control beeping every 5 minute because you would then deliberately lose it by throwing out the window or something so okay cool that is me that is you excellent very good so we have got about 1015 minutes to discuss i think one of the very interesting things that came up in kate cat cat is presentation was this issue of voice recognition being more popular with younger people so if we need to have a target group then i think as far as the motto of our company is concerned if you want to have something sleek and good looking we are better of targeting a younger audience than you know people who are comparatively elderly yeah i mean that is the thing is that it did not say in the survey you know whether you know these are the people that will pay more for more stylish remote control but i am assuming you know yes but but the survey did say that things like voice recognition are more popular with them so if you want to put in something stylish then it will certainly be more popular with this year with younger people as compared to older people then again i guess where it was most popular was the 15 to 25 bracket right and i do not know how often they are buying television well that is when you go to uni is not it yeah but you do not have much money generally yeah you share a television or something it is more that 25 to 35 when people are really moving out and they have got their 1st job and they want their nice toys yeah but still if you can go back to that slide and how popular i have unpluged it do you want me to that is all right if you can just look it up on your computer people between 25 to 35 how popular was it was still quite popular amongst them even they are 76% is a higher yeah i mean i know what you are saying about the 15 to 25 yards but i mean it has been proven that people of that age group have a high disposable income because they do not have like i mean you know if you are at university you are paying your rent but you do not have a mortgage you do not have a life insurance policy usually not a car normally have a car you still learn to survive actually so that just costs more than a car but yeah so i mean like it is an age group to target really and if we are talking €25 there is a price that is not unaffordable even for no i mean that is well that is like £15 you know yeah not unaffordable but the problem is whether people need it whether they do have a tv yeah yeah i do not know many people without tv yeah but do they have a tv last year and everyone thought we were off ahead but the tvs are often kind of someone is old tv that is blah blah blah yeah and the remote control might not yeah remote it might not even function with the old tv yeah well we have got quite but even in the case of 25 to 35 it is quite popular right so maybe we can just kind of i think the fact that you know 912% of 15 to 25 year olds are saying yes i would pay more for a voice recognition remote control does say quite a lot really you know so i mean that and the disposal of full income i do not think it is something to ignore you know yeah but at the same time i think maybe we can just decide to have both of these groups as our target because actually i mean are still young people it is not a massive difference yeah if we take 15 to 35 but that then does imply that we should try and incorporate voice recognition is that going to have an implication i was having a general outlook on most like sophisticated features but voice recognition itself i am not very sure about because one of the things that kat pointed out was how do we go about implementing it you do have it in your mobile phone though do not you because you have like i mean every mobile phone now has you know like call this person and it calls it how frequently do we use it anyway and how good is it you know voice recognition software are still quite with them but with a tv remote it is going to be quite limited if we are saying the main things people want to do is on off channel 5 right louder that should be relatively simple you would maybe need a code word do you know what i mean right so like when you say change so that has been said quite a lot on tv so maybe like you know remote i mean how often do people say remote on tv although i only watch chan so really i would not but like say just say remote 5 you know remote 10 remote one to 9 okay so it seems like a feasible thing to implement yeah but maybe if you want to look into that just to just to check so if we go for the 15 to 35 age group and then of course we are going to get anyone who is older than 35 who wants to look young and hip and trendy and have money then they will still go for the same advertising i think there is a lot of voice recognition well now the voice recognition if it works wonderfully we could possibly do away with all buttons but i think this is not really the right moment yet because people are just so used to buttons and yeah it is kind of safer so we need both so the voice recognition would be just an extra it would not really reduce the size of the remote what what i was thinking is that there is this separation between what the channels are on tv and how they are numbered on the remote control if we can do away with that our product can be really popular in the sense that a person can say i want to watch itv one instead of saying that i want to go on channel number 45 yeah that would be another way so if something like that can be incorporated so that was in the voice recognition that would be great yeah but then the code word would be even more important because i mean sky advertise on every channel to me you know so then it would be you would be watching charms and then the sky advert would come on and it would change the sky yeah yeah and that would be really annoying right but on the other hand remote control is close to you you probably might just speak into it and the tv would be already farther away so it might not pick up the things coming from there do you not think that defeats the objects of having voice recognition on a remote control so that you can yell at it yeah you know so you have to have the remote control it is more like if you lost it it is down the sofa and you can yell at it and it will just change it you can look for it later yeah all right yeah but then the remote control i think i mean the idea is kind of it is not that it is sitting there on top of the television because then you could already yell at the television and you would not you would not need the remote control so the remote control is still something you keep near yourself yeah i suppose near to you but like if you have surround sound then yeah and it might become very difficult from a distance for the television to understand what you are saying because of the noise yeah yeah yeah yeah but i was just defending the fact why we want to keep the remote control close to us and not to yell at it from the distance yeah so another thing that can be used is that there can be a beeper button on the tv so you can go and press that button and the remote control wherever it is it will beep but then if you are buying the remote separately but you could have something but if it was something that you could like stick onto the tv or something like if you bought it in a 2 part pack so one part attaches to the tv yeah because it is quite important that you do not lose the bit to locate the remote control well that is right but it solves the problem of having different noises yeah definitely yeah yeah okay i think we are going to have to wrap this up but if we go away with that that kind of general specification in mind that we are looking at 15 to 35 year olds we want it to look simple but still have the button so it is easy to use but only those key buttons the major buttons and then one sort of menu one and then voice recognition included as an option but that obviously needs a little bit more working out as to whether it is really feasible and some of those problems we were mentioning what we have to do now is to go back to our little places complete our questionnaire and some sort of summarisation which you will get immediately by email send me your presentations so that i can use them to make the minutes and then we have got a lunch break and after lunch we go back to our own little stations and have 30 minutes more work i will put the minutes in that project documents folder but i will send you an email when i do it so that you know it should be on your desktop 0 okay yeah so i will put them there as soon as i have written did you find it yeah yeah yeah and email them round 0 so you want our powerpoint presentations in there here yeah that would be great so we will just put them in there yeah then you do not have to email them but is everyone called functional requirements no they are all called something slightly different technical requirements and something something so if you put them in there we will all be able to see them and refer to them if we need to okay cool as to where we are going from here you are going to look at the components concept right yeah whatever that means yeah i guess i will find out you will be looking at the user interface face conceptual something conceptual and you are watching trends to see how we go and surely voice recognition or fall off the map or something that we will keep our option what was it again i was supposed to look into components components sorry but the next meeting are we going to have it right after lunch or shall we prepare our we have after lunch we have 30 minutes to prepare okay yeah that is good that is fine but before lunch we just have to complete the questionnaire and some sort of summary okay okay cool right on time okay so you can i guess we will see you for lunch okay see you" ]

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[ "right so start of the 1st meeting right so agenda of the 1st meeting where we we have 25 minutes for this meeting okay we are to get acquainted so does everyone want to say who they are that seem sensible yeah i am robin i am the marketing manager i am louisa i am the user interface designer i am nick i am the industrial designer and i am alastair and i am the project leader alright okay so tool training project plan so does anyone have any thoughts as to the tool training that is required tool training i am not exactly sure what you mean by tool training neither am i 0 i see so we should not really be 0 right okay so so we have the project team which is to basically to come up with a new r remote control device we have the starting base was the original which has been in existence now for a period of time and our idea is to to make the new remote control device more user friendly than the previous one and to to be trendier to be with it and therefore to to get a bigger market share and bigger audience yeah so method of doing this is split up as you can see into the functional design the conceptional design and the detailed design so in each of these phases we will basically be handing over to yourselves the designers of this yes this device and having meetings so that we can during the course of the day come up with a better better inst implement than we had before and therefore have a successful conclusion to the day and you will be doing various designs throughout the day to meet this end okay so we have got tool training try out whiteboard so we will right so everyone is to supposedly draw their favorite animal over on the white board over there i guess this is make sure the whiteboard works so i do not know who wishes to go 1st okay do you wish to go f have a 1st bash at whatever i do not mind i dunno ah let us see good job i got pockets today your microphone is just but now you you you will move out from the microphone and the camera i take it that are we supposed to do this right now do you think or i would i would guess so or yeah you have lost your microphone there i do not know 0 technical problems right here we go i mean you designers are meant to come up with these sort of things okay i think that i would have to say that my favorite animal is the cat little smiley cat there and this would be because they are very independent they are very intelligent compared to dogs maybe and they can be very very affectionate some people do not think so but i know very affectionate cats and they can look after themselves next okay yeah i will i will shall i rub that out actually i do not see as there is any need to there is plenty of space i mean whatever we can have have a whole menagerie exactly shall i see if i can get across without just tangling everything okay there is one we have had more time to prepare over this side so we have all stuck our bits and pieces in our pockets did not think of that kay pens are over here the 3 pens are underneath i will try the red pen okay i am going to go for the bear which i am be able to draw very well but you get marks for artistic impression i will have a bash at it ooh ooh i lost it there i think i have just knocked the microphone so you are just doing the face we will g then we will go for a a s small small bear and i like my animal that looks nothing like a bear because i dunno maybe because there is so many cartoon characters made up after the bear like the jungle book characters and stuff like that great right hello i am going to go for the dog and i am going to draw one badly as well looks like it is going to be a dachshund or something that is quite good right there is my dog i like dogs because they are very loyal and they are always happy so whenever whenever you are feeling sort of a bit a bit down or tired they are always coming up and they are always quite excited so you can always have a lot of fun with a dog and they are also good for exercise as well you can sorta get out and they they sorta never get tired and and when they are tired they are quite cute as well so okay that is why i like dogs right well i have not actually had too many pets over my time cause to be honest with you i am not too keen on them anyway not to worry so what my daughters have got at the moment is they have got a few fish and so hopefully will not prove too difficult to draw as you can see that my artist artistic work is useless as well anyway and one of the best things about fish is that they do not really take too much looking after because with most of the animals if you are going away on holiday or whatever you have got to spend money or get a friend or whatever to look after them for you whereas if you got fish you just got to put the food in a a a dripper feed which feeds them over the couple of weeks that you are away and change the water every couple of months and buy in a few plants so other than the fact that they keep dying fish are are not are are are reasonable pets in that they are low maintenance great right okay if we are still all with us right okay so work has been done on this project where by €25 is the expected selling price that information has come from our marketing manager here yeah so we are looking to sell internationally not just in europe we are looking at having our production costs limited to 12 and an half euro per unit and therefore making a profit margin of well not actually a profit margin it is because obviously you are going to have overheads and various other costs to take from from that to give you your profit margin per unit and so depending what the the overhead costs are will determine how many units we are looking to sell or projecting to sell at this point in time so experience with remote control 1st ideas new remote so i guess we are looking at having a discussion at this point in time to help you folks design our our new model as it were yes so any any thoughts i with some remote controls the buttons were a little small so they are quite hard to press so maybe we make something with easy to press buttons as that is the main function okay so so basically we are looking for some we are looking for a device that is robust and yes and therefore will not get damaged too easily we are looking for a device that is what was the other things you said there sort of easy to use so the buttons are accessible easy to use use is easy to use and see and see yes okay can i just check is this just a television remote because a lot of systems are kind of t v video combined now or t v d v d combined and one of the most annoying things is having like 5 remotes in the house so if you have got a combined system it could be a combined remote or is it just a television that we are supposed to be doing 0 i w basically i will get back to you on that but it seems to me sensible cause as you rightly said there is nothing more annoying than having 3 or 4 devices littered about the about the room yeah and so a device for for all remotes sorry you go i have you go okay yeah one of the things we found from the market research is that people often get confused by the number of buttons on them as well cause there is quite often lots and lots and sometimes they sort of remote controls defeat their own purpose because you are sat in the chair and the remote is somewhere else in the room so whereas in the past you would have to get up to change the channel now you have to get up to sort of pick up the remote so so i do not we need to sort of maybe think about how we could maybe develop a remote control which moves around the room comes to your whistle i do not know that is that is maybe something for the future when you can talk to your television but yeah but is it in a sense it is r mutually exclusive you can not have both the th the one device and then have few buttons on it to cause you want you want simplicity as well yeah you want any idiot to be able to use it yeah whilst at the same time you want as you rightly said one remote for all and so these are probably mutually exclusive options that you could argue that experience of using devices and similar devices as people get more and more used to using remotes yes therefore they are more with handling them therefore you can make them more complicated as time goes on yeah maybe we could have better instructions with the remote or are we just doing the design of the remote control itself or sort of the instructions that would come with it better instructions yeah i mean we have done some research about sort of you know what the cutting edge sort of hand held devices are and a lot of them sort of use you know they are like they are like mini laptops so it is possible that we could devise a system where where you are you are basically sort of holding a a miniature computer which is controlling all your your sort of your television your stereo and where you know if you buy a new thing then it sort of you can link it to that as well maybe okay well we have got 5 minutes before the end of the meeting so we have to start winding up is there next meeting in 30 minutes kay okay so right so we have got i d the come on where is my if you just click return it should be okay it will get rid of the message or not if you hit just hit return and it should get rid of the message 0 there we go 0 you have got yeah that is what i was looking for right so we have got function 0 what happened to the i think that might be back to the start yeah if you grab the kind of slide to the left and pull it down slide 4 yeah right right okay sorry about that okay so we have got the working design for i d for u i d the technical functions design marketing the user requirement specification specific instructions will be sent to you by your person by your personal coach so are we all clear what objectives we are looking to meet in the next 30 minutes and i guess i will try and write up some minutes of this meeting to to give it to you for the next meeting yes kay yes i am not exactly clear on what we are designing the rem remote for is this a mun multi functional one or do we decide that ourselves as we go away and work on it i think you just said at the start it was a television remote control so maybe we should just stick to that unless we get told otherwise television remote control right that is true cause during during the course of our day we might make decisions based on information or meetings that would change where we are going okay cool but at this point in time i think you are right that shall we make it just a t v okay kay so we will depart we will stay here and and break off and i will do minutes and and we will see you in half and hour okay that is great okay okay cheers okay right s" ]

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[ "take of the media 0 just no no you are okay you are okay okay okay okay okay is that okay okay okay okay okay so start of the 1st meeting right so agenda of the 1st meeting where we have 25 minutes for this meeting we are to get acquainted so does everyone want to say who they are and that senior sensible i am robin i am the marketing manager i am lisa i am the user interface designer i am nick i am the industrial designer and i am amostar and i am the project leader all right okay so tool training project plan so does anyone have any thoughts as to the tool training that is required i am not exactly sure what you mean by a tool training neither am i 0 i see so we should not really be all right okay so we have the project team which is to to basically to come up with a new remote control device we have the starting base was the original which has been in existence now for a period of time and our idea is to make the new remote control device more user friendly than the previous one and to be trendy trendier to be with it and therefore to get a bigger market share and bigger audience so the method of doing this is split up as you can see into the functional design the conceptual design and the detailed design so in each of these phases will basically be handing over to yourselves the designs of this device and having meetings so that we can during the course of today come up with better better and implement than we had before and therefore have a successful conclusion to the day and you will be doing various designs throughout the day to meet this end so we have got tool train try out whiteboard so we will right so basically everyone is to supposedly draw their favorite animal over on the whiteboard over there i guess this is make sure the whiteboard make sure the whiteboard works so i do not know who wishes to go 1st you wish to go have a 1st bash at whatever i know i have got pockets today but now you you you know you move out from the microphone and the camera i take it right now i would i would guess so or you have lost their microphone right now and the camera problems i mean you designers are meant to come up with things okay i think that i would have to say that my favorite animal is the cat a little smiley cat there and this would be because they are very independent they are very intelligent compared the dogs maybe and they can be very very affectionate some people do not think so but i know very affectionate cats and they can look after themselves thank you should i love that out actually i do not see as there is any need to there is plenty of space i mean whatever i have a whole menagerie exactly i will see if i can get the cost right this time we have had more time to prepare over this side so we have all stuck our bits and pieces in the pockets i did not think of that okay the 3 pens are underneath 3 pens are underneath i will try the red pen okay i am going to go for the bear which i may be able to draw very well i will have a bash of it you get marks for artistic impression so i lost it there so you are just doing the face they will go for a small bear one and i will go for a small bear button i like my animal that looks nothing like a bear because i do not know maybe because there is so many cartoon characters have made up out of the bear like the jungle group characters and stuff like that right hello i am going to go for the dog i am going to draw one badly as well well it looks like it is going to be a dachshund or something that is quite good right there is my dog i like dogs because they are very loyal and they are always happy so whenever you are feeling sort of a bit down or tired they are always coming up and they are always quite excited so you can always have a lot of fun with the dog and they are also good for exercise as well eating so they get out and they sort of never get tired when they are tired they are quite cute as well okay that is why i like dogs right well i have not actually had too many pets over my time because to be honest with you not too keen on them anyway not to worry so what my daughters have got at the moment is they have got a few fish and so hopefully will not prove too difficult to draw as you can see that my artist artistic work is useless as well and one of the best things about fish is that they do not really take too much looking after with most of the animals if you are going to win holiday or whatever you have got to spend money or get a friend or whatever to look after them for you whereas if you got fish you are just got to put the food in a dropper feed which feeds them over the couple of weeks at your way and change the water every couple of months and buying a few plants so other than the fact they keep dying fish are not are not are our are our are our are our are reasonable pets in that they are low maintenance right okay we are still with us right okay so work has been done on this project whereby €25 is the expected sun price that information has come from our marketing manager here so we are looking to sell internationally not just in europe we are looking at having a production costs limited to €125 per unit and therefore making a profit margin of well not actually a profit margin not actually a profit margin it is because obviously you are going to have overheads and various other costs to take from from that to give you your profit margin per unit and so depending what the the overhead costs are will determine how many units were looking to sell or projecting to sell at this point in time so experience with remote control 1st ideas new remote so i guess we are looking at having a discussion at this point in time to help you folks design our new model as it were so any thoughts maybe i am going to start a remote controls the buttons are a little small they are quite hard to press so maybe we can make something with the use of press but that is the main function okay so basically we are looking for some we are looking for a device that is robust and therefore we will get damaged to easily we are looking for device that is what was the other thing you said there easy to use easy to use use use nc and see okay because a lot of them television remote because a lot of them systems are kind of tv video combined now or tv dvd combined and one of the most annoying things is having like 5 remote in a house so if you have got a combined system it could be a combined remote or is it just the television that was supposed to be doing well i will get back to that but it seems to me sensible because as you rightly said there is nothing more annoying and having 3 or 4 devices listed about the room and so a device for all remotes okay yeah one of the things we found in the market research is that people have to get confused by the number of buttons on them as well because there is quite often lots and lots and sometimes remote controls defeat their own purpose because you are sat in the chair and the remote is somewhere else in the room so whereas in the past you would have to get up to change the channel now you have to get up to sort of pick up the remote so we need to sort of maybe think about how we could maybe a remote control which moves around the room i do not know that is maybe something for the future and you can talk to your television but in a sense it is mutually exclusive you can not have both the one device and then have a few buttons on it because you want simplicity as well you want any idiot to be able to use it whilst at the same time you want as you rightly said one remote for all one remote for all and so these are probably mutually exclusive options that you could argue that experience of using devices and similar devices as people get more and more used to using remotes therefore they are more afraid with handling them therefore you can make them more complicated as time goes on maybe we could have better instructions with the remotes or are we just doing the design of remote control itself for the instructions that would come with well better instructions yeah i mean we have done some research about sort of you know what the cutting edge sort of hand held devices are and a lot of them sort of use you know they are like mini laptops so it is possible that we could devise a system where you are basically sort of holding a miniature computer which is controlling all your sort of your sort of your sort of your television your stereo and where you know if you buy a new thing then it is sort of you can link it to that as well maybe okay well we have got 5 minutes before the end of the meeting so we have to start winding up is there next meeting in 30 minutes okay right so we have got id the command of my if you just click return it should be okay get rid of the message or not if you hit return it should get rid of the message there we go that is what we are looking for right so we have got functional 0 what happened to the i think that might be back and the soft if you grab the kind of a slide to the left and pull it down yeah right sorry about that okay so we have got the working design for id the uid the technical functions design marketing the user requirement specification specific instructions sent to you by your personal coach so we all clear what objectives we are living to meet in the next 30 minutes and i guess i will try and write up some minutes of this meeting to give it to you for the next meeting i am not exactly clear on what we are designed remote for is this a multi functional one or do we decide that ourselves as we go away and work on it i think you just said at the start there was a television remote television remote control that is true because during the course of our day we might make decisions based on information or meetings that would change where we are going but at this point in time i think you are right that so make it just a tv okay so depart we will stay here and break off and i will do minutes and i will see you in half now okay okay okay right so" ]

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[ "okay good morning everybody good morning 0 everybody is not ready almost ready alright okay let us go so we are here today to to have our 1st kick off meeting about this new project we are going to tak to talk about in a few minutes so i will be sebastian the project manager you are the i am michael i am the user interface designer okay hi i am guillermo i am the marketing expert and i am hemant the industrial designer okay very good thanks for being here so let us have a look to the the agenda so we are going to go through this agenda and mainly 1st to to make to to be used to the tools available in this nice and smart meeting room we have here then we will go to the plans for project and have general discussions about it so the goal of this project is to developed a new remote control it should be original trendy and also user friendly as usual we will follow the the project method that we are using in the in our company it is in 3 step as you know 1st the functional design the 2nd is a conceptual design and then the detailed design during each step of each design we wi you will work s separately individually on your specific tasks and will m we will meet to to discuss and take decisions about what you have you have you did and what we will do next so 1st we have to to train ourself with all the the tools availables in the in this nice meeting room and particularly the the white board so we are going to go through the white board and take some s some notes or do some drawings so who want to start ah well if no one else wants to yeah mister okay so want me to draw my favorite animal let us see well i do not really have a favorite animal but i think i have one in mind so you have one in mind i am going to about the spider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board the spider has a spider lives in a web and it has 8 legs and it can move all about the web in 2 dimensions unless it is a 3 dimensional web which y they have sometimes there are some spiders that live in like that have like kind of a a big ball of a of a web and the other thing is some spiders can actually fly like they have they let out like a stream of like the web building material but it is it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new build a new web somewhere else so i think they did this in in charlotte is web that movie that little well it is actually a book 1st but at the end all the the spiders kinda flew away so that is my animal okay th thank you very interesting guillermo you want to kay i dunno why but when i was a child i i wanted to be a a panther not a pink panther or maybe yes but do not you think it is very difficult to draw a panther it would be very funny for us yeah yeah so bad i do not like it 0 okay it is a friendly panther maybe it is happy cause it just ate someone yeah maybe actually honestly i i i dunno what is what is his it is be behavior i dunno if if it is the male who who hunts or it is the female i i i have watched that lions di did not hunt it is the the female lions who who hunt so but i like it because it is fast and it is black as well so it can he it can hide itself very easily and it is it is it looks like powerful strong i dunno i i watch a a film about a black panther when i was a child and i was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot okay thank you okay hemant sure so you do not like pink panthers i like it 0 yeah thanks this lapel is coming out once in a while it is not very strong okay so not the favorite animal but i think i will draw elephant i will try to draw elephant it is a problem okay thanks okay so elephant goes like this and then it has 4 feet i do not know whether there is any dist there should be any distance or not but i think this is the easiest and then we have it is trunk and yep something like this an eye cute yeah so poor elephant and sometimes they have a hump it seems that elephants are pretty friendly and they they have one very important way a different way of walking so when they walk wherever they are going to put their 1st feet the 2nd feet will always be when they will come to that position the 2nd the 3rd feet will be there that is the way they walk and that is very peculiar about them none of the other animals walk like this and they are very useful to human beings at least few few 100 years ago when there was no means of transportations or something or when they had to carry huge loads from one place to another elephants were very useful and they are found in usually the warm countries and they are the biggest terrestrial animal that is what i know about them so that is what i wanted to tell about elephants so is this an indian or an african elephant cause you have not drawn the ears there are 2 kind of yeah they are very different indian and african elephants so indian elephant is having one bump i think and the african have 2 and then there is a difference in the trunk of the animals these elephants who are indian and so at some for some elephants it is the trunk is having one do we have some message there yes we have to i have to catch you sorry wind up okay some other time we have to to go through the meeting okay thank you thank you we can discuss that off line yeah we will discuss a f a fly or do we will do another meeting abo on elephants thanks so so another important part of the project is about money and about so about finances so we should target selling price of €25 for this remote control and we have which which would generate a profit of of €50000000 okay and we should target the inter an international market so could i just ask one question is this a stand alone unit that we are going to be selling so it is going to be you already have a t v but you are buying an extra remote control for it or something 0 this is the next topic we have to discuss exactly so let us go to it okay alright so we should decide which kind of remote control we want to we want to we want to go should be should should it be specific remote control to some specific device should it be a universal one and etcetera so so i am waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because we have only 33 minutes to go okay well so it seems the the 1st thing that they have kinda specified is the price like based on how much profit we want to make which seems to a kind of a little strange if we do not know what the the product is yet but i guess if that is if that is the requirement that we need to to design the the product to actually fit that that price bracket so i guess we are going to need to find out what is actually you know what people ar are willing to pay for what kind of product they are expecting for €25 because it seems quite a lot for a remote control okay so it is okay i think this is more a job to our market person yeah marketing person yeah so it should be the topic of maybe of the next meeting just to to have an overview of this and in which direction we should go so we need to close the meeting we will have a new meeting soon and so the work every every of you ha have t d to do so you have to work on the on the working design you have to work on the technical functions and you have to work on us user requirements specs alright yeah you will receive some information by emails i as usual thanks for coming today okay thanks thanks alright" ]

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[ "i am not really bad okay okay good morning everybody good morning 0 everybody is not ready almost ready all right okay let us go so we are here today to have our 1st kickoff meeting about this new project we are going to talk about in a few minutes so i would be sebastian the project the project manager you are i am michael i am the user interface designer okay i am guillermo radilla i am the marketing expert and i am heyman the industrial designer okay very good thanks for being here so let us have a look to the agenda so we are going to go through this agenda and mainly 1st to to make to be used to the tools available in this nice and smart meeting room we have here then we will go to the plan of the project and have general discussions about it so the goal of this project is to develop a new remote control it should be original trendy and also user friendly as usual we will follow the project method that we are using in our company it is in 3 steps as you know 1st the functional design the 2nd the conceptual design and then the detailed design during each step of each design you will work you will work separately individually on your specific tasks and we will meet to discuss and take decisions about what you did and what we will do next so 1st we have to train ourselves with all the tools available in this nice meeting room and particularly the whiteboard so we are going to go through the whiteboard and take some some notes or do some drawings so we want to start i will know and that is one else one is so yeah okay so i am going to draw my favorite animal let us see well i do not really have a favorite animal but i have one in mine i have one in mine so i am going to tell you about the spider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a whiteboard the spider has a a spider lives in a web and has 8 legs and it can move all about the web in 2 dimensions unless it is a 3 dimensional web which they have sometimes there are some spiders that live in like they have like a kind of a big ball of a of a web and the other thing is some spiders can actually fly like they have they let out like a stream of like the web building material but it is it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new build new web somewhere else so i think they did this in in charlotte is web that movie that little well it is actually a book 1st but at the end all the spiders kind of flew away so okay that is my thank you very interesting guillermo you want to okay i do not know why but when i was a child i wanted to be a panther not a pink panther but do not get it is very difficult to draw a bender yeah so better i do not like it it would be very funny for us okay it is a friendly panther maybe it is happy because it just ate someone yeah maybe and actually honestly i do not know what is his behavior or i do not know if it is the male who hunts or it is the female i have watched that lions did not hunt the female lions who hunt so but i like it because it is fast and it is black as well so it can it can hide itself very easily and it is it is it looks like powerful strength i do not know i watched a film about a black panther when i was a child i was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot okay thank you okay 0 sure they do not like pink panthers i like it i like it can you help go ahead this lapel is coming out once in a while it is not very strong okay so not the favorite animal but i think i will draw elephant i will try to draw elephant that is a problem okay thanks okay so elephant goes like this let us assume and then it has 4 feet i do not know whether there is any distance there should be any distance or not any distance or not but i think this is the easiest and then we have it is trunk and something like this and i cute yeah so prove elephants and sometimes they have a hump it seems that elephants are pretty friendly and they have one very important way a different way of walking so when they walk wherever they are going to put their 1st feet the 2nd feet will always be when they will come to that position the 2nd the 3rd feet will be there that is the way they walk and that is very peculiar about them none of the other emails walk like this and they are very useful to human beings at least a few 100 years ago when there was no means of transportation or something or when they had to carry huge loads from one place to another elephants were very useful and they are found in usually the warm countries and they are the biggest terrestrial animal that is what i know about them so that is what i want to tell about so is this an indian or an african elephant because you have not drawn years kind of yeah they are very different indian and african elephants so indian elephant is having one bump i think and the african have 2 and then there is a difference in the trunk of the animals these elephants who are indian and so at some for some elephant it is that trunk is having one do we have some message there yes we have to wind up to cut you sorry okay we have to some of the time thank you thank you thank you we can discuss that offline yeah we will discuss offline or do you we will do another meeting about hecon so another important part of the project is about money and about so about finances so we should target the selling price of €25 for this remote control and we have we should generate a profit of €50000000 and we should target an international market so i could just ask one question is this a standalone unit that we are going to be selling so it is going to be you already have a tv but you are buying an extra remote control for it or something this is the next topic we have to discuss exactly so let us go to it so we should decide which kind of remote control we want to we want to go should be should it be specific remote control to some specific device should it be a universal one and etc so i am waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because we have only 33 minutes to go okay well so it seems the the 1st thing that they have kind of specified is the price like based on how much profit we want to make which seems to kind of a little strange if we do not know what the the product is yet but i guess if that is if that is the requirement that we need to design the the product to actually fit that that price bracket so i guess we are going to need to find out what is actually you know what people are willing to pay for what kind of product they are expecting for €25 because it seems quite a lot for remote control so i think i think this is more a job to our marketing person so it should be the topic of maybe of the next meeting just to have an overview of this and in which direction we should go so we need to close a meeting we will have a new meeting soon and so the work every of you have to do so you have to work on the working design you have to work on the technical functions and you have to work on the user requirements specs right yeah you will receive some information by emails as usual thanks for coming today okay thanks thanks all right i am going to" ]

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[ "hello hey guys hi hi hi i see my bunny is still standing yeah no one drawing it it is too beautiful yeah true i figured that much too wicked a minute please my laptop is 0 there it is thank you so welcome back at the functional design meeting the plan is that each one of you so not me but only you will present the the things you worked on the last half hour i will take minutes and will put the minutes that i have at the end of the session in the shared folder also the minutes of the previous session are also in the shared folder now so you can read that now or afterwards i had an email from the from the management board i do not know if you a al also received it but there were 4 points which i think are very important 1st one is they think that teletext teletext becomes outdated and internet will be the the main focus 2nd one is also important because it is one of the discussion points of the previous session the remote control shou should onl only be used for the television so it not going to it is not going to be a multi purpose remote control so that is one thing to keep in mind 2nd and i think that is important for the marketing expert the current customers are in the age group group of 40 years and older but with this new remote they will would like to reach a group younger than 40 and i think to keep in mind but not really for now is that they want the the the slogan and the and the logo to to be recognized more in the remote so we have 40 minutes so i think not more than 10 minutes per presentation each and please use all the the the facilities so that you have either smartboards the the word files what you whatever you want so tim can you start okay yeah kay welcome i have some new findings on marketing expert level which i will show you the method i used was giving orders to our usability lab to do a questionnaire 100 respondents were involved and my marketing department generated a report with a lot of results these were a couple of findings 1st page of 3 we have 3 audiences of 2 audiences i am sorry the 1st one this scale from 16 to 45 age the 2nd one is from 6446 to 65 as you can see here the market share for the 1st audience is about 60% 65 2nd audience audience is 35% and some interests from the from the age groups it seems like the young users of remote controls really like the fancy new technology stuff like an l c d screen on the remote control speech recognition i do not think that is really appropriate and when you see the audience the age is going up yeah they do not really want it anymore at least the new technologies 2nd findings out of the questionnaire are the opinion the opinions of the audience about current remote controls 1st point is 75% of the users find the most repo remote controls very ugly and 80% of the users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy so that is maybe something for the user interface designer okay 3rd findings according to the frequency of use versus importance investigation following buttons are most important i will tell something about the way this this test was yeah done persons were asked what the buttons were they use most how much an hour and in the 2nd table the importance of those buttons when you multiply them you get the these 3 points switching channels yeah that is pretty pretty normal that is what you do with a remote control the 2nd teletext and the 3rd volume controls i think it is good that we know what the user want wants at least the these 3 points have to be very clear but it is strange that the the manage board the management board said that the teletext will be outdated by the internet yeah okay so that that is strange yeah okay but at the moment teletext is yeah th the best thing you can get on t v like getting information yeah okay so when you ask people what do they use yeah they use teletext and not the internet on a remote control okay yeah okay that is ridiculous yeah that is a ne i it it is a new technology but it is not incorporated right now yeah okay my personal preferences i think we should aim at the audience from 16 to 45 1st of all it is the biggest share the biggest audience 65% 2nd i think you will get the most revenue from i from it yeah people from 16 to 45 watch a lot of t v more than people who are el elder 2nd point we have to impro improve the most used functions as i said here switching channels teletext and volume controls 3rd point that came out of the of the questionnaire people used to get lost off the remote controller so maybe it is an idea for us to design ex kind of placeholder on side of the yeah that is a cool idea yeah of the t v where you can put the the remote control in that is about it i think yeah when you mentioned improving functions what what do you mean by that what what are you think about not not the r not the functions but it came out that a lot of buttons were not even used on a remote control the funtionability so you can have a remote control full of buttons a 100s 100s of buttons but if you do not use them yeah it is yeah ah okay so focusing more on the used buttons yeah they have to be on it j just to t to get it done if necessary yeah but the most used buttons have to be bigger or could you use perhaps one button for multiple functions like example pressing it in longer makes it switch to an different function for example yeah perhaps just for the minor functions perhaps thank you yeah ma perhaps just just an idea just to get less buttons on the remote control to make it easier and quicker to learn yeah yeah kay that is it thank you tim janus can you yeah yeah i will go sure right i will be explaining a bit about working design about the project well what i did was i dissected current remote controls and i viewed how how they w looked how they worked what kind of components are involved and how they are connected together and after that i put up a scheme about how these things are organized and i will show it to you in in a in a few seconds and i will explain a bit about how it works and how we could build one and why i think several possibilities that we discussed in the earlier meeting falls off right well what i did was i i checked remote controls and the remote controls of today are all infrared not like all probably know and the thing about that is the remote controls have to act as a t v or a stereo or something and those have a transmitter that is also focused on infrared so if we want to build a remote control with bluetooth for instance then the t v should have bluetooth too in order to communicate so that would mean extra cost for the user and thus that is that would not mean a a cheap remote control for us so that is probably why most controls are still infrared furthermore they all have a a very simple structure so that would probably mean lower costs and i that could mean for us a good thing cause well we we should be able to build a relatively cheap a cheap remote well as i mentioned ready we have some bluetooth well it may be possible but i figured it would not be possible in within our budget but that is not for me to decide but that is maybe something for marketing to look into f because well my personal opinion is is not to do bluetooth or or radio waves although what do you think about incorporating bluetooth or a radio receiver in the place holder next to the t v connected to the t v yeah actually i have t so it is in the wrong product yeah yeah i actually i figured that would be that would be rather nice but then you would still have the the infrared function so in in theory you would actually just move the problem yeah yeah but what i did think about was when you mentioned about the the cup holder is why not introduce a speech function like where is the remote if somebody says where is the remote then it goes beep beep beep beep or something i dunno yeah maybe maybe something to look into i dunno what the cost that something like that would be but it may be may be something to explore i will i will just explain a bit of the components 1st you have the energy source the energy source would be a battery simple battery that you can find anywhere i figured that would be best cause when the battery stops functioning we could just use you could just go out and buy a new one so we did not and we do not have to do all to be too complicated about that the energy source is connected to the infrared button but the infrared button works only via the chip and the subcomponent to the switch there is a switch between these when the switch is pressed in a w on this this case it switches a button when a button is prush pushed in a electric current goes through here and in immediately a l a bulb lights up displaying to the user that something has happened that is that is so the h user will not be thinking well did the button be pressed w what happened or i press button but nothing is happening on the t v so is is something wrong or something so that is just to to to explain the of to to make it clearer to the user w well the signal goes via chip that is translated into electric sig electronic signals and then it is processed and then it is sent to the infrared bulb where it will be received on the receiving end and those interpreted by the device well in this case the television well my personal preferences here well we have to keep it simple not too many gadgets and functions just like you said well the most users n you have a lot of buttons and you u u use you do not use them so why why should we invent w spend more time on those i i think we should stick by with infrared transmitting and no receiving so no input from the television so i think we should not be spending time on teletext and saint things like that because when you want teletext on infrared you would have to build in a receiver too and so in order to receive the signals from what is on t v and such so i figure that would be spending too much money and time and yeah maybe another problem i think current t v s can even send infrared yes but what should we s i i i f i agree with you but should we spend money or and time on building a receiver into the remote control huh cause that would be i mean extra components extra designs larger g remote control yeah yeah these all all stuff that we have to take in account so i i my personal opinion is no no no receiver at all well we should look into the design and the functionability yeah like i said use one button for instance for m multiple functions or well just hide the few buttons 0 of switching it open or something the usual stuff and do not overbuild we should not make a big remote control for simple functions but we we should stick to the basics so that was my my personal opinion and that was my my presentation okay okay thank you janus yes i can go ahead you do the last presentation last presentation you have plenty of time tim and janus do not talk to 10 minutes so take your time okay if you take your time too long i will eventually warn you well i am going to give a presentation abut some of the technical functions of these design and usability functions what is my opinion about what is most important to combine the design technical possibilities and the user friendliness in one so if you going to design a remote that looks good that should not weigh over the if it is possible to make of course but also the user friendliness so tha that is that is some of the main points and another one is the use of many functions will will make it more difficult so use as as little functions as possible or at least do not display them all at once on the same remote if you have 50 functions you do not want 50 buttons t to be shown at the same time cause when you visit an internet site you do not want 50 links to see but maybe use a hierarch hierarchy structure and well one of the ideas was maybe use touch screen but s i do not know in how far that is possible since we are sticking to infrared and and the remote cannot receive anything but we might consider that well of course i i hope this is all clear to you if you you can use remote like this with all the functions many functions but well your thumb is a little bigger than th it than this you have to be very careful what you push and if you are looking for teletext you will be searching for half an hour from yeah well where is it where the hell he here i guess and yeah when you have to use something else so just keep it simple make clear buttons easy to use for example if you want to use a play and back and stop that is very important well this was because of our last discussion if multiple machines are used create easy switch between the machines but it is no longer applying well yeah i prefer to use it only for t v and n not to give too many options and and if possible the buttons should give a doctor direct action not 1st select you you just said you wanted to to combine more functions in one so you you want to keep it simple yeah and so that is where the difficulties lie yeah but but i think that if you want to do that then you can not escape the the fact that there will be buttons which give s more options than one yeah this so that is the thing you have to weigh against each other yeah yeah but do we want to use a few options and might not be so or original or multi purpose as we thought or do we want to use many buttons okay yeah so weighing those factors it is maybe an option if you use an l c d or a touch screen that in the middle are the the main keys like displayed on the yeah the does not yeah this no yeah something like that okay just in the middle the general functions like play channel switching and then at the top or at the bottom some menus like settings or that you can drop down yeah yeah but when all the questions i had do we want to use a menu display on the t v or does have to f everything be in remotes cause if you use a memory display on the t v you can simply push a more menu and then select the options you want to have and press okay so that is my recommendation if you use many options in one buttle button nah display the menu on the t v and do not use combination of t of 2 buttons at the same time or pressing buttons 3 times for 5 seconds yeah is too complicated for most users yeah i think so too but and that is partly because a lot of t v s have different menus yeah but and when you have a particular menu at your device it could be that do not correspond to the menu what is actually on t v yeah that will be a problem yeah well you d you have to keep in mind that several t v s do not even have a menu structure or they have a very simple menu structure so you have to keep in mind that not all d not our remote will not be able to work on all televisions yes and that would be a considerable problem so if we have to stick with current technologies and well yeah the restrictions of what is is on the market today you should keep it s at this yeah use big clear buttons not too many so maybe we will loose a few option options but i think i this is more important especially the important buttons if you want to switch channel change your volume use teletext it it has to work at once and more advanced options may be put it s somewhere away on the remote not embed behind a little little thing or a touch screen yeah but then with something like a touch screen could could make more menu up pop up or something and yeah if you want to s put on stand by or change the channel that should always be possible to do not 1st change menu options or switch something yeah well yeah as you already told give some feedback yeah if the user is pushing a button he should know if the television or n at least remote is reacting and not just that the batteries may be low and well my conclusion is is less is more keep it simple so maybe we should just ease down on the functionality to to keep it accessible on t because you all know if there are a lot of function on the the television some you you will never know and never use and therefore it is important if you want to change the volume or channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions that are not so important well you we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they are not in the way for the for the most important functions yeah yeah i think the idea about touch screen is very good because recently i saw news item on t v about new telephones for elder people they have like a touch screen with really big pictures on it like call hang up and that is a big ad advantage i think because one the one hand you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by scaling up the pictures or something it is very visual intended what was i to say more maybe that is an option keep the primary buttons visible yeah make a remote that fits easily in the hands and for some design issues well put a logo on it and maybe use it in some esthetic esthetic form but th the important buttons m make them always accessible and pushable and clear and maybe use a touch screen or if that is will become too difficult just like televi some 0 older telephones use a l maybe it is possible to to flip them open and just expand the number of options that are normally visible yeah okay but but if you pick the the idea the left idea yeah then what is going to be displayed on the touch screen the extra functions the extra functions you you just see a menu from system functions or teletext functions yeah but l like menu functions or yeah and you just choose one and then all all the options will become available and you just c s yeah t scroll through them ah okay would not it be better to make just one big touch screen yeah i think so 11 small touch screen applet and i will just make let us say 15 buttons on it and we have 3 of those actually just menus with sub menus with or sub items sub functions yeah well then i would like to make a proposal if you make one big touch screen yes use the same concept as here keep the buttons always available and use the lower part of the touch screen for the rest yeah yeah yeah yeah like like the ipod idea that that we just saw yeah yeah you just have a f a few selected buttons and a few menus and with this idea you could actually make several you can also improve later on yes i think that will be great okay so you think it is will be better to have a t kinda total touch screen yeah i think so yeah i wou i would actually go for the jirun okay i agree but i think it is very important that they always make the same buttons accessible so use just for special options a part of the touch screen yeah of course yeah yeah and so an elder designer picks up th the of an elder parents or grandparent picks up the remote from the little child and who is all in the systems functions yeah yeah yeah you will have to have the possibility to turn off the t v or to switch the channel without well using all the menu structures to get back to the primary functions yeah yeah i had another idea about maybe parental control like building in some kind of pin code which allows parents to switch to all channels yeah but children if children do not do not know the pin code they can not switch to violent channels or yeah wh is that possible to use or no that is possible that well that actually depends on the television but i think i figure that would be th there is just well yeah well does it have to depend on the television ju just a simple log in something like that well y you s you see the fi thing is when you buy a remote you you set the channels yeah yeah the the channels are different on each te television they are not set in a preset order yeah so if you lock on a remote let us say channel 15 well channel 15 on this television is different than channel 15 on the other television so that would be that would be actually the main concern yeah okay yeah well i think that he means that maybe by some option make sure that remote control and the t v match yeah and then after that you can use some s insert some passwords as being apparent that the children cannot use this change the settings of the t v yeah like color and then volume and yeah th that kind of stuff but maybe if you log in 1st as a parent you address the the channels and like 0 that is channel 15 that is yes vi violent channel m my ki my kids i do not want my kids to watch that then you set the priority to only parents 0 something like that yes yeah yeah okay yeah well b but make it a separate option in the menu so that it is it is dif dis displayed from displayed here so parents yeah that would b for example but yeah that yeah okay but but yeah that is just that is an a an added feature yeah okay but let us not go too wide about the those things that is that why we are here yeah th th those things are nice it is it is a nice idea but i think that is we wel later in the stage i have one little question about a total touch screen or a p yeah a partial partial because i think elderly people may be not used to a touch screen so they want the the the normal functions like teletext volume changing to be yeah kinda traditionals and the the the the other functions yeah the more difficult functions to be maybe on the touch screen but to keep this as normal as possible to keep it accessible yeah but but if you display it on l c d screen with r r really big numbers yeah you can de display it on the on the old style that is just as e just as easy i i do you can display actual buttons on the touch screens yeah yeah that is true that is true i do agree because well it is just not the same when you touch a touch screen or when you touch a button yeah yeah okay but well we have to look at what is our target audience yeah it is different w we are aiming for younger people and they they chose yeah yeah that is true yeah yeah age b below 40 yeah yeah yeah yeah that is a good point so that is that is probably a yep and th those young people yeah y you saw it in my marketing report they like the new fancy stuff so they like the fancy stuff yeah that is true a touch screen like microsoft al already developed something like that for multi media applications i th i think we can do that too yeah okay as you can see the minutes from the 2nd meeting this one are are done done i have added the this 4 things from the management board just to keep in mind each time i i had a sort of summary on what you told and what you personal think so that can be can be read out a f a few things i i noticed were moment ooh th the the main points in this in this meeting is i think how it is going to look with we must keep it simple but have the opportunity to have more options and have them hidden or something so they do not you do not have a big thing full of buttons or and the point that you want to use one controller for hypothetically each television so you must the the the the functions know like the menus or the the parental control must be all by the done by the remote control and not by the television i think that is the point what yes we discussed yeah yeah some of them the menus are not identical for all th for all t v s so you have to display it on one t v well you can use when you how do you call it s synchronized the remote and the t v then there is always yeah but that is not possible there are always possibilities to change the color and the brightness and the volume and well maybe we can look out if there is options that the remote in its memory can see what kinda t v it is yeah from ah it is a philips this and this and that and then give the options that are capable the capable from the t yeah but you have an yeah but you have an international market range so you have i think a big range of add th that that is an opportunity well there are universal d remotes and they all have a functionality for all the t v s yeah so this would not be a extra feature to incorporate the men menus of these yeah okay but they but and it is not too complex to do it well they they all have to be programmed to fit your t v and that that is bit of a tricky job no yeah yeah i actually use one of those when they are they are kinda kinda troublesome but but the thing is whe when you start building something like this you have to build a receiver into the t into the remotes because in order for the remote to process something from the t v like to synchronize and you have to send and receive and that is well yeah well yeah 0 mo no you can just say the c no no no he he he he me he means just just one other thing just build it in yeah with the current remote controls the universal ones you have to press yeah you have to press a code for t v yeah yes in codes y you you get a b a book with codes you look up i have a philips h 55 and it says press code 455 and you press code 455 on the in the remote and it displays all your menu options yeah yeah 0 okay yeah sure yeah yeah yeah 0 yeah yeah sure that would be possible yeah yeah now we just connect the t v type to a set of options in just just in the memory memory in the in the remote yep profiles so that if you yeah like profile so that if you touch in like 1410 kind of t v yeah the memory pops up the options yeah yeah that would be possible okay yeah sure i th do not think that is that takes a lot of storage space or some just varia variables no that would not be yeah a few variables yeah well if you look at the manuals from universal remotes there are maybe 3400s t v s at maximum yeah yeah if you have all of them all the old and new t v s summed up so i think it is possible ah it is it is definitely po but on the other hand on the other hand if you have a remote and buy a new t v that is not incorporated in the remote we have 5 minutes to go yeah well then you have to buy a new one it is very good for marketing new remote maybe or an update software update a firmware upgrade or something but from where firmware update you say yeah firmware upgrade ah maybe w that is maybe the cup holder no m may no maybe we can incorporate some kind of u s b or a firewire connection yeah yeah so that you can connect it to the p c and download the newest firmware from from the internet well not everybody has has a p c at home well the most most people have but not not everybody and well at you can go back to the shop and they yeah like a s kind of service center yeah yeah ser 0 and they can download it for you yeah maybe something like service cen or you could well you could s actually look at the place holder you talked about earlier yeah and you could probably make a connection to an telephone line or a internet connection yeah well already digital information is sent t to the the standards t v connections yeah you can see what is program is on on the new channels so maybe j they we can send that information along with standard t v well then then it is be back to the building a receiving well if it is actually worth it to build it in receiving 0 yeah yeah we could actually look at into it but i dunno it it would be bringing more costs with with it and yeah difficult yeah i i think it is most cheap or cheapest to just do the updates at the service center or at the shop yeah that would be probably best yeah yeah yeah s i think some i think it is good idea yeah yeah like when you when you buy a t v you just ask well i will it is it is it is not a lot of work just one docking station where you put it in press start bling bling updated yeah yeah that would be best yeah yeah yeah yeah you do not buy a t v every week new teev so okay let us save this in the meanwhile no no exactly so m for which one are we going my mistake let us vote that one or yeah my vote goes out to the right your vote and your okay my vote too yeah and your vote well i was doubting about which one to take but you have convinced me that if you di display buttons about the same as they would look on a normal remote all elderly people will know what to do yeah yeah and also like a clapping li like device that pops open opens up is too difficult or flips open too difficult maybe it is easier to break it n yeah break it i do not get yeah th th th that i yeah it is very sensitive 0 so yeah like my telephone it is it is sensitive too yeah yeah okay well it is almost at the end so we have now a lunch break finally yeah ah after the lunch break it is back to individual work once again 30 minutes i will put my minutes i have updated them so s they are updated in the shared folder too 30 minutes 30 minutes the how minutes failure the specifi specific instructions for the next meeting you will all will receive at the the the email i do not think i can say much about it so wait for your email and hopefully you get it done in the in the 30 minutes and i w will see you after the lunch break and the 30 minutes one question how late do we have to get back be back here yeah well 30 minutes a quarter to one maybe yeah 30 minutes lunch break 30 minutes lunch break yeah okay i thought 45 0 45 yeah then would it be 10 clock yeah or we we ask our personal coach okay yeah okay thank you thank you that was a very good session i think we we yeah is it possible to store this on the share documents or what yeah me too ye well save as yeah because all things are stored in smart board dot x d k and that is in yeah v but but you can open a from your pr from your laptop kay save it as an image on the res yeah maybe save as export no no maybe not export function export well i can i can export h t m l no and use an image if possible huh image j peg g yeah j peg j peg yeah it is better paper size a 4 screen size in this directory yeah n 0 0 yeah it is not connected to the you all have the the questionnaire again about the after work to our p c s no yeah it is connected it is connected yeah i think so to room deskt huh no i will just saved in my documents 0 yeah in my own in my own messenger yeah project documents yeah yeah it gives the na 0 yes okay nice okay thank you the questionnaire fill in we fill out d after lunch or well it is it is simply filling 0 no it is it is also filling out no i would do it after lunch i think okay aye cheers i am hungry so do it after lunch yes thank you all thank you you are welcome we can leave the p c on i think yeah and return to the yeah of course yeah well i bring it to my personal room yeah bring to i got to bring it home to my exave executive my executive big room with the with the panting a big office yes aye yeah okay" ]

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[ "hi guys hi hi i see my bunny is still standing yeah all enjoying it too beautiful i figured that much 0 wicked a minute please my laptop is 0 there is thank you so welcome back at the functional design meeting the plan is that each one of you so not me but only you will present the things the things you worked on the last half hour i will take minutes and we will put the minutes that i have at the end of the session in the shared folder also the minutes of the previous session are also in the shared folder now so you can read that now or afterwards i had an email from the management board i do not know if you all have all also received it but there were 4 points which i think are very important 1st one is they think that teletext teletext becomes outdated and internet will be the main focus 2nd one is also important because it is one of the discussion points of the previous session the remote controls should only be used for the telemet so it is not going to be a multi purpose remote control so that is one thing to keep in mind 2nd and i think that is important for the marketing expert the current the customers are in the age group of 40 years and older but with this new remote they will would like to reach a group younger than 40 and a thing and a thing to keep in mind but not really for now is that they want the slogan and the logo to be recognizable in the remote so we have 40 minutes so i think not more than 10 minutes per presentation each and please use all the the facilities that you have you the smart boards the word files what you whatever you want so tim can you start okay yeah yeah new findings on marketing expert level which i will show you the method i used was giving orders to our usability lab to do a questionnaire 100 respondents were involved and my marketing department generated a report with a lot of results these were a couple of findings 1st page of 3 we have 3 audiences of 2 audiences i am sorry the 1st one this scale from 16 to 45 years and age the 2nd one is from 64 46 to 65 as you can see here the market share for the 1st audience is about 60% 65 2nd audience is 35% and some interests from the age groups it seems like the young users of remote controls really like the fancy new technology stuff like an lcd screen on the remote control speech recognition i do not think that is really appropriate and when you see the audience the age is going up yeah they do not really want it anymore at least the new technologies 2nd findings out of the questionnaire are the opinions the opinions of the audience about current remote controls 1st point is 75% of the users find the most remote controls very ugly and 80% of the users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy fancy so that is maybe something for the user interface designer okay 3rd findings according to a frequency of use versus importance investigation following buttons are most important i will tell something about the way this test was done done persons were asked what the buttons were they used most how much an hour and in the 2nd table the importance of those buttons when you multiply them you get these 3 points switching channels yeah it is pretty normal that is what you do with a remote control the 2nd teletext and the 3rd volume controls i think it is good that we know what the user wants at least these 3 points have to be very clear but it is strange that the management board said that the teletext will be outdated by the internet that is strange yeah okay but at the moment teletext is yeah the best thing you can get on tv like getting information so when you ask people what do they use they use teletext and not internet on remote control that is ridiculous it is a new technology but it is not incorporated right now okay my personal preferences i think we should aim at the audience from 16 to 45 1st of all it is the biggest share the biggest audience 65% 2nd i think you will get the most revenue from it yeah people from 16 to 45 watch a lot of tv more than people who are elder 2nd point we have to improve the most use functions as i said here switching channels data tax and volume controls 3rd point that came out of the questionnaire people used to get lost of the remote controller so maybe it is an idea for us to design a kind of placeholder on sign of the tv where you can put the remote control in that is about it i think when you mentioned improving functions what do you mean by that not the functions but it came out that it came out that a lot of buttons were not even used on a remote control so you can have a remote control full of buttons 100s of buttons but if you do not use them yeah 0 so focusing more on the use buttons they have to be on it just to get it done if necessary but the most use buttons have to be bigger or could you use perhaps one button for multiple functions like example pressing it in longer makes it switch to a different function yeah perhaps just for the mining functions perhaps yeah perhaps just not yet just to get less buttons on the remote control to make it easier and quicker to learn yeah yeah okay that is it thank you tim yeah i will go sure right i will be explaining a bit about working design about the project well what i did was i dissected current remote controls and i viewed how they looked how they worked what kind of components are involved and how they are connected together and after that i put up a scheme about how these things are organized and i will show it to you in a few seconds and i will explain a bit about how it works and how we could build one and why i think several possibilities that we discussed in the earlier meeting falls off right well what i did was i checked the remote controls and the remote controls of the remote controls of today they are all infrared like you all probably know and the thing about that is the remote controls have to access a tv or a stereo or something and those have a transmitter that is also focused on infrared so if we want to build a remote control with bluetooth for instance then the tv should have bluetooth 2 in order to communicate so that would mean extra cost for the user and this that is that would not mean a cheap remote control for us so that is probably why most controls are still infrared furthermore they all have a very simple structure so that would probably mean lower costs and that could mean for us a good thing because well we should be able to build a relatively cheap remote well as i mentioned radio waves and bluetooth well it may be but i figured it would not be possible within our budget but that is not for me to decide but that is maybe something for marketing to look into because well my personal opinion is is not to do bluetooth or or radioways although what do you think about incorporating bluetooth or radio receiver in the place all next to the tv connected to the tv yeah actually it is in our own product yeah i actually figured that would be rather nice but then you still have the infrared function so in theory you would actually just move the problem but what i did think about was when you mentioned about the cup holder is why not introduce a speech function like where is the remote if somebody says where is the remote then it goes and beep beep beep beep or something i do not know maybe something to look into i do not know what the cost would be that is something like that would be but it may be maybe maybe something to explore i will just explain a bit of the components 1st you have the energy source energy source would be a battery simple battery that you could find anywhere i figured that would be the best because when the battery stops functioning we could just use could just go out and buy a new one so we did not we do not have to do all to be too complicated about that the energy source is connected to the infrared button but the infrared button works only via the chip and the sub components there is a switch between these when the switch is pressing in on this case the switch is a button when the button is pushed in electric current goes through here and immediately a bulb lights up displaying to the user that something has happened the user will not be thinking well did the button be pressed what happened i press the button but nothing is happening on the tv so it is something wrong or something so that is just to explain to make it clearer to the user well the signal goes via a chip that is translated into electronic signals and then it is processed and then it is sent to the infrared bulb where it will be received on the receiving end and thus interpreted by the device one in this case television well my personal preference is well we have to keep it simple not too many gadgets and functions just like you said the most users you have a lot of buttons and usually you do not use them so why should we spend more time on those i think we should stick with infrared transmitting and no receiving no input from the television so i think we should not be spending time on teletext and things like that because when you want teletext on infrared you would have to build in a receiver too and so in order to receive the signals from what is on tv and such so i figured that would be spending too much money and time yeah maybe another problem i think current tvs can not even send can not even send yes but should we i agree with you but should we spend money or and time on building a receiver into the remote control because that would be i mean extra components extra designs larger remote control yeah these all all stuff that we have to take in account my personal opinion is no no no receiver at all well we should look into the design and the functionality like i said use one button for instance for multiple functions or well just hide a few buttons or switching and open or something the usual stuff and do not overbuild we should not make a big remote control for simple functions but we we should stick to the basics so that was my my personal opinion and that was my my presentation okay thank you guys yes i can do the last presentation you have plenty of time tim and i do not talk to 10 minutes so take your time if you take your time too long i will essentially warn you well i am going to give a presentation about some of the technical functions design and usability function what is my opinion about what is most important to combine the design technical possibilities and the use of friendliness in one so if you are going to design a remote that looks good it should not weigh over the if it is possible to make of course but also the user friendliness so that is some of the main points and another one is the use of many functions will make it more difficult so use as little functions as possible or at least do not display them all at once on the same remote if you have 50 functions you do not want 50 buttons to be shown at the same time is when you visit an internet the site you do not want 50 links to see but maybe use a high arch structure and well one of the ideas was maybe use touchscreen but i do not know in how far it is possible since we have sticking to infrared and the remote cannot receive anything but we might consider that well of course i hope this is all clear to you if you you can use remote like this with all the functions and many functions but well your thumb is a little bigger than this year to be very careful what you push and if you are looking for teletext you will be searching for half an hour from yeah well where is it here i guess and when you have to use something else so just keep it make clear buttons easy to use for example if you want to use a play and back and stop that is very important well this was because of our last discussion if multiple machines are used create easy switch between the machines but it is no longer applying well yeah i prefer to use it only for tv and not to give too many options and and if possible the buttons should give a direct action not 1st select you you just had you wanted to combine more functions in one yeah so you want to keep it simple but i think that if you want to do that then you can not escape the fact that there will be buttons which gives more options than one yes but you have to wake and see how to do we want to use a few options and might not be so original or multipurpose as we thought okay or do we want to use many buttons wing those factors it is maybe an option if you use an lcd or a touchscreen that in the middle are the main keys like displayed on the yeah yeah something like this no yeah something like this okay just in the middle the general functions like play channel switching and then at the top or at the bottom some menus like settings or that you can drop down another question i had do we want to use a menu display on the tv or have to have everything be in remote if you use a memory display on the tv you can simply push a email and then select the options you want to have and press ok so that is my recommendation if you use many options in one button display the menu on the tv and do not use a combination of 2 buttons at the same time or pressing buttons 3 times or 5 seconds it is too complicated for most users i think so too and that is partly because a lot of tvs have different menus and when you have a particular menu at your device it could be that do not correspond to the menu what is actually on tv yeah there will be a problem well you have to keep in mind that several tvs do not even have a menu structure or they have a very simple menu structure so you have to keep in mind that not all our remote will not be able to work on all televisions yes be a considerable problem we have to stick with current technologies and well yeah the restrictions of what it is on the market today yeah you should keep it at this use big clear buttons not too many so maybe we will lose a few options options but i think this is more important especially the important if you want to switch channel change your volume use teletext it has to work at once and more advanced options maybe put it somewhere away on the remote behind a little yeah but there is something like a touchscreen could make more menu pop up or something and yeah if you want to put tv on standby or change the channel that should always be possible to do not force change menu options or switch something well yeah as you already told give some feedback give some feedback if the user is pushing a button you should know if the television or at least remote is reacting and not just the batteries may be low and well my conclusion is less is more keep it simple so maybe we should just ease down on the functionality to to keep it accessible because you all know if there are a lot of functionally on the television some you will never know and never use and therefore it is important if you want to change the volume or the channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions that are not so important well we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they are not in a way for the most important function yeah i think the idea about a touchscreen it is very good because recently i saw a news item on tv about new telephones for elder people they have like a touchscreen with really big pictures on it like call hang up and that is a big advantage i think because on the one end you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by scaling up the pictures or something it is very visual intended what was i to say more this option keep the primary buttons visible yeah make a remote that fits easily in the hand and for some design issues so well put the logo on it and maybe use it in some esthetic form but the important buttons make them always accessible and pushable and clear and maybe use a touchscreen or if that is will become too difficult just like tell you some other telephones maybe it is possible to flip them open and just expand the number of options that are normally visible yeah okay but if you picked the idea the left idea then what is going to be displayed on a touchscreen the extra functions you just see a menu from system functions or teletext functions and you just choose one and then all the options will become available and you just scroll through them would not it be better to just make one big touch screen i want one small touchscreen applet and i will just make let us say 15 buttons on it and we have 3 of those are actually just menus with submenues or sub items self functions then i would like to make a proposal if you make one big touch screen use the same concept as here keep the buttons always available and use the lower part of the touchscreen for the rest yeah i like the ipod idea that we just saw you just have a few selected buttons and a few menus and with this idea you could actually make several you can also improve later on yes i think that would be great okay so you think it will be better to have a kind of total touch screen yeah i think so yeah i would actually go for the thing okay i agree but i think it is very important that always make the same buttons accessible so use just for special options a part of the touchscreen yeah of course and so an elder designer picks up the of an elder parent or grandparent picks up the remote from the little child and who is all in the system functions you have to have the possibility to turn off the tv or to switch the channel without well using all the menu structures to get back to the primary function yeah yeah i had another idea about maybe parental control like building in some kind of pin code which allows parents to switch to all channels but children if children do not know the pin code they can switch to violent channels or that is possible well that actually depends on a television but i think that would be just a simple login well you see the thing is when you buy remote you set the channels the channels are different on each television they are not set in a preset order so if you lock on a remote let us say channel 15 well channel 15 on this television is different than channel 15 on another television so that would be the that would be actually the main concern i think that he means that maybe by some option make sure that remote control on tv match and then after that you can use some inserts and passwords as being a parent that the children cannot use this change the settings of the tv like color and volume and that kind of stuff but maybe if you log in 1st as a parent you address the channels and like 0 it is channel 15 that is a violent channel my kids i do not want my kids to watch yeah yeah they set the priority to only parents yeah for example but make it a separate option in the menu yeah so that is yeah okay but it is played from yeah that is just it is not an added future okay but let us not go too wide about those things that is why we hear those things are nice but i think that is we will later in the stage i have one little question about a total touchscreen or a partial yeah a partial because i think elderly people may be not used to a touchscreen so they want the the normal functions like tail attacks volume changing to be kind of traditional and the other functions the more difficult functions to be maybe on a touchscreen but to keep this as normal as possible to keep it accessible if you display it on an lcd screen with really big numbers you can display it on the old style i do agree because it is just not the same when you touch a touchscreen on when you touch a button but we have to look at what is our target audience we are aiming for younger people they chose it is below 40 that is probably and those young people yeah you saw it in my marketing report they liked the new fancy stuff so yeah touch screen like microsoft already developed something like that for multimedia applications i think we can do that too yeah okay as you can see the minutes from the 2nd meeting this one are done done i have i have added this 4 things from the management board just to keep in mind each time i had a sort of summary on what you told and what you personal think so that can be read out a few things i noticed were moment the main points in this meeting is i think how it is going to look at this meeting is i think how it is going to look with we must keep it simple but have the opportunity to have more options and have them hidden or something so they do not you do not have a big thing full of buttons or and the point that you want to use one controller for hypothetically each television so you must the functions like the menus or the parents or control must be all by the done by the remote control and not by the television i think that is a point with we discussed yeah yeah some of them the menus are not identical for all tvs so you have to display them on the tv you can use when you how do you call it synchronized the remote and the tv yeah but that is not possible then there is always there are always possibilities to change the color the brightness and the volume and well maybe you can look out if there is options that are remote in his memory you can see what kind of tv it is for 0 it is a philips this and this and that and then give the options that are capable of the yeah but you have an opportunity in that yeah but you have an international market range so you have i think a big range well there are universal remotes yeah and they all have functionality for all the tvs so this can not be an extra feature to incorporate the menus it is not too complex to do it well they all have to be programmed to fit your tv and that is a bit of a tricky job i actually use one of those they are kind of troublesome but the thing is when you start building something like this you have to build a receiver into the remotes because in order for the remote to process something from the tv tv like to synchronize and you have to send and receive and that is why no no no you can just just say yeah he means just one other thing with the current remote controls yeah the universal ones yes you have to press in codes you have to press a code for tv you look up i have a phillips age 55 and it says press code 455 and you press code 455 and you press code 455 yeah and the remote and it is displays all your menu options 0 yeah yeah sure that would be cool yeah now we just connect the tv type to a set of options in the memory so that if you yeah like profile so that if you touch in like a 1410 kind of tv the memory pops up the options yeah that would be possible yeah sure i do not think that is that takes a low storage space or something no that would not be just for variables yeah if you look at the manuals from universal remotes there are maybe 3 400 tvs at maximum if you have all of them all the old and new tvs summed up so i think it is possible but on the other hand on the other hand we have 5 minutes to go on the other hand if you have a remote and buy a new tv that is not incorporated in a remote well then you have to buy new one it is very good from marketing new remote maybe or an update software update firmware grade or something from where maybe that is maybe the cup holder ah maybe we can incorporate some kind of usb or a firewire connection so that you can connect it to the pc and download the newest firmware from the internet well not everybody has a pc at home well most people have but not everybody you can go back to the shop and yeah like it is kind of service center yeah maybe something like that you can download it for you or you could actually look at the placeholder you talked about earlier and you could probably make a connection to a telephone line or well already digital information is sent to the the standard tv connections you can see what program is on on the new channel so maybe we can send that information along with standard tv well then then you would be back to the building and receiving yeah yeah if it is actually worth it to build it in we could actually look into it but i do not know it would be bringing more costs with it and yeah i think it is most cheap or cheapest to just do the updates at the surf center at the shop when you buy a tv you just ask it is not a lot of work just one docking station where you put it in press start bling blink update it yeah that would be best you do not buy a tv every week no no in the meanwhile for which one are we going my mistake that is vote that one or my vote goes out to the right here your vote my vote yeah okay and your vote well i was doubting about which one to take but you have convinced me that if you display buttons about the same as they would look the same as they would look on a normal remote or elderly people will know what to do and also like clapping like device that opens open too difficult not too difficult maybe it is easier to break it yeah break it i do not know that is it is very sensitive yeah like my telephone it is sensitive too okay well it is almost at the end we have now a lunch break finally yeah after the lunch break it is back to individual work once again 30 minutes i will put my minutes i have updated them so they are updated in the shared folder 2 30 minutes 30 minutes 0 minutes the specific instructions for the next meeting you all will receive at the email i do not think i can say much about it so wait for your email and hopefully you get it done in the 30 minutes and i will see you after the lunch break in the 30 minutes one question how late do we have to get back be back here well 30 minutes a quarter to one yeah 30 minutes of lunch break 30 minutes lunch break yeah okay i thought 45 45 yeah well then would it be 10 clock yeah well we ask our personal coach yeah okay thank you thank you it was a very good session i think we are is it possible to store this on the share documents well safe ass yeah because yeah because all things are stored in smartboard but you can not open from your laptop you can not save it as an image yeah maybe save us maybe an export function export well i can html no use image if possible ah image jpeg yeah jpeg yeah yeah it is better paper size a 4 no screen size and this yeah directory 0 0 yeah it is not connected to the you all have the question area again about the effort to work yeah it is connected it is connected yeah i think so do you 0 no well just save it in my documents yeah ami on on the email on messenger yeah yeah yeah give the name 0 yes okay nice thank you the questionnaire filling we have to fill out after lunch or well it is it is simply filling 0 no it is it is also filling out no i do it after lunch i am hungry so do it after yes thank you all thank you thank you you are welcome you can leave the pc on i think yeah of course well i bring it to my personal room bring it to my executive big room with the 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the new requirements kay well then we can make some decisions about our remote control functions we have to deb we have to decide it in this meeting what our function will be and then we can discuss some more closely we have 40 minutes for this discussion yeah i think so alright well the closing we will not look at it yet alright now i will look at show this board well notes 1st meeting now i gave a disk a a presentation we familiarized ourself with the boards and then we discussed some 1st ideas so we said that we have to merge the strong points from our competitors and look at their remote controls right we should make it compatible with our new d v d and other releases we have our technical releases huh not too many one buttons one recognizable button in the middle where you do the most important functions with and well they can have 2 functions because you have a d v d and a television yeah the design has to fit the hand be original but also be familiar it is one of our ideas yeah well that wa it is just 30 minutes ago so it is not quite but well i have to do it yeah now it is right the materials well should be hard plastic with rubber from and well the labeling of the buttons should be indestructible it should be recognizable at all times it is meant to be easily wiped out yeah yes okay well fronts were to be just like mobile telephones and the technical aspects and also labeling of the buttons the functions should be universal standards well that is just some ideas from the 1st meeting it is quite logical al all of it now the new project requirements i will just show them i got this mail from our bosses well teletext goes out 0 we will not use teletext okay maybe a new sort of thing but n but not teletext i i disagree but it is not t it is not my place to disagree i guess well the 2nd is a bit sh pity because we just said we wanted to d include the d v d and they do not want it because of our time we have for this project 0 alright 0 alright 0 that is a shame so that is a shame because especially for the 3rd requirement we want to reach people under the 30 years because we do not have those customers a lot at th at this point well it is a bit pity because it is just those people want to have one remote control for all those technical devices they can reach it yeah but let us forget about it it is just time consuming so we have to go on yeah well and our corporate image should stay rec recognizable in our products so we have to use maybe a slogan maybe a color and yeah well on our remote controls the design has to be well as we already said a actually familiar yes not only just the shape but also our company yeah we are a real fashionable company i read i read it on the i did not know what company we were but we we design especially trendy trendy trendy stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah so it has to be a modern design okay that is important to know when you design a thing of course yes i i noted our slogan that we have our company it is we put the fashion in electronics yeah right so maybe that is a slogan we can put somewhere on our remote control or something yeah alright then we are going to have 3 presentations yeah you want to start yeah i think i have to start 0 you have to start i did not see anything about who had to start 0 no no problem the order no well s then start i i just have to to think which file is mine cause i was bit in a hurry okay well i think it is this one but i am not sure you already opened powerpoint yeah s right yes this is it yeah well i am going to tell you something about functional requirements to start with these points next sheet at 1st i tell you something about what people dislike about the current controls because it is a smart thing to exclude those things furthermore it is very important what they do like and what they do use then i tell something about the most important issues so we have to focus on those 3 thing 3 things and in the end i will show you our target audience or our target product users customers well the 1st findings are that people think most controls are very kind of ug ugly that is 75% of the current users they do not like it so we might think about fronts in that section they also say that is about i thought it was 50% that more money will be spent on better looking controls so it is very important that you design a a nice looking control the current user uses his machine just about well all of the time for a few functions almost every user uses it d the the control for just 10% of its capacity so it is really important to make the the buttons for the common tasks kind of big or kind of flashy furthermore it is 75% of the users zaps a lot thus it might be might be smart to make a a big zapping button or something in the middle so you can reach it with your thumb you can zap away yeah yeah right yeah yeah right a lot of losers users lose their controls in their in their living room so it might be sensible to make some kind of a button on your television that is your your control beeps or something that you can find this very easily yeah well i dunno maybe that is an idea cause it is a big i think 50% of the users loses his its control within the same room 0 0 yeah it should actually it should actually be loose from the television because it can also be used for other televisions so so if you deliver a small click on device that you can put on your television that bleeps to your remote control everyone can use it yeah but what if you lose your click on device no you can click it on your television yeah but if someone d somebody else uses it in ano other room or something yeah in another room yeah nee but it it specifically says it is the the control is lost in the same room well yes yeah so well a beeping device would be furthermore the learning time is a problem well we will have a look at it yeah 3434% thinks it is it is too too difficult to learn so the the learning curve should be very short for the dumbest people should be able to use it i think our user expert should also consider manual a manual for the remote of course yeah but people do not read manuals i did not read it 0 alright no no users to add one do you think i do not think i think you should put more time in the in the design of pick up and use than a manual yeah yes you should you should could take a look at it and and and know how it how it is supposed to work yeah alright yep because they do not use it alright yeah well there sh should always be a menu but it c can be very short right and it should be consistent with consistent with older remotes yeah but nobody reads a manual about a remote control i think yes okay well maybe for the if you do not recognize a button who d who d who do i call wh when i do not know it alright yeah right it sh it should be there the manual but but not to explain how the remote works only and we do not have much time so it is better to put our attention to the the design so you can pick up and use it than i think well we are a design team we can say to some writer make a manual point yeah right right is not it part of the of the u no so no well we will have a look never mind next point yes r s i well that is about 20% i thought but the designer should take it should wie zeg ik dat consider the m yeah consider the consequences of using your remote it should be a good in your hand yeah yep right this is the most important part we are like the requirements said we are going to specify of we are going to target a younger audience that is about 60% of the market so it is quite important research shows that they like to have a little l c d screen on their on their zapping device i thought it was the age between 16 and 2099% of the people like that well so it is very important we should definitely have that in our designs well with €12 50 as production cost we can not afford an l c d it is going to be expensive no yeah yeah but they think it is really important so if we want to s if we have a big yeah if we make lots of of the stuff maybe we can buy it very cheap i dunno we have to well we will consider it well yeah well it is your your task to look into the costs of those nigh i know we will think abo we will think yeah i do not know i do not have any information on that so no we will look we will look into that later right alright and another thing is speech recognition they also like that but research is very costly i think that is difficult to realize also so yeah but it it might be important for the sale we have very demanding clients it is not yet a standard development those so no and we have customers in multiple countries i think well i do think l c d is more reachable than the speech recognition we sh yeah absolutely yeah so we might consider l c d screens no yeah yeah alright well we will consider both and and see what what what we can find i think alright yep we do not rule them out yet kay alright i think that is it alright i think it is sensible to u to take this take these points into the notes so you can right yes well you i c i can still see your presentation yeah right it is in the well next i dunno who is next you got shall i give a technical talk 0 you go yes alright well go ahead well it is my task to explain or to point out a working design yip we have that here okay how do you enlarge it so that you can have the f f 5 f 5 f 5 yep alright well the working design that is my next button well alright you know who i am and what i do so we have this it is a bit unclear because i wanted to copy paste something it was originally in black and white but it became black and purple 0 right purple but i think you can read it yeah yeah yeah well i think it is important for you to realize the basic function of a remote control a bit well you can see maybe you can select it so it inverts and i then can select i can select on the dings it goes to the next page the p the whole picture nah never mind click well you can read it it is not too difficult yeah go ahead meanwhile this is a schematic view of how a basic remote control works you have basically the energy the power of the of the remote control and the sender w which is the led the the the the the the the the the bulb that sends the the infrared beam to the no to the set yeah alright and the source is of course the user the user interface is the the the buttons of course and the the user interface sends the the different signals of the different buttons to the chip and the chip sends it to the led and the led sends it to the receiver that is the that is the basic idea yep very basic well i have put it in a in in in a a couple of basic steps the remote is basically just waiting for a user to press a key it does nothing until of course the key is pressed the key a signal to a chip the chip senses the connection and recognize the key so well you understand the chip produces morse code a specific code to indicate that specific button that is pressed of course and it uses transistors in the in the remote control to amplify and to send that signal again to the to the led which is the bulb of course now the led produces an infrared beam and signals the well it is very simple and signals the signals to the sensor on the t v set yeah and the t v set also recognizes the the the signal and performs the assigned task so it is also why we have to have a button that says i am now busy with a d v d if we had done that and a button for t v ah bu yeah but we do not we no no but yeah so exactly well this is the basic function of a remote i have some couple of pictures here it is a very basic one and if we if we are going to add an an l c d screen to it it will not look anything like this but this is very basic basically the the shape of of a remote control it has very little buttons and but it it it is it is quite yeah you can easily recognize the buttons they are far enough apart and an anything it is not very high tech not very high tech indeed and it is not very user friendly if you look at the shape it is just a simple long box shape so we have to change a little bit to that so that it becomes more user friendly and that problems like r s i and those kinds of thing do not do not oc do not occur right can i say something yeah i have a table here about the l the relevance of the buttons the power button is used very much channel selection volume and teletext well teletext is not an option so that but i think it is very important to make the power channel and volume buttons near to the thumb so you can not have r s i consequences yeah because they are the the most important buttons and you can immediately right make them big make them easy to to press well but but if you have the most used buttons all in one place and you keep making the same well moves you do not have to look and and search for them you can also like right yeah right yeah i was thinking you can but if y if you would put it at a different place then you have to move your hands and that is on of the things about r s i right yeah that is right are some of the the the that is right that is right well you you can not have any every button under the thumb of course we no but the most important buttons m maybe you can just put them a bit apart so you would but yeah that is very important and reject r r s i r s i maybe you can make for for channel changing 2 little buttons on the side of the remote so you can just do like this like some little gameboy things or some yes i have saw that on m on mi mobile telephones they also have those buttons but is that is that useable do people when they pick up a remote know that they have to do that it is a f it is a new feature you can make make a double feature l like a button on the top and under it well well it it is yeah yeah alright but yeah but if you s say them up and down they they will understand it i think well also i if someone puts picks up his remote yeah 80% would well if someone puts up i picks up his remote and he picks up it he he touches the side then he is a already on the next channel yeah he feels it immediately yeah that is true that is very irritating i think yeah that is right yeah yeah but well right continue sorry but in e in any case the the basic function should be indeed and as you say at the thumb no i think that is a good idea and and that the less important buttons like the the the different channels the numbers 12345 as well should be yeah well not in reach because they do not use it all the time well it is pretty pretty basically as you said yep and i have some pictures of the inside workings but i do not want to get too technical because that is not very useful for you yeah that is right that is your part of the job so yeah exactly this is how it looks from the inside yep and well that is about it i think 0 yeah i still have this 0 i had to delete this but i had to make a schematic of the of the new but i had too too little time alright okay but do not well we understand do not look at it please alright i i think it is it is clear how it works we understand yeah it is clear alright 0 right no that is the most important thing nice alright then mike can give the 3rd presentation how late is did we start his presentation right i dunno i think w about 20 minutes ago wha yeah well then we have still the time so but we do have to come to a decision right later on losing time losing time yeah right so so well i thought everybody on the website would see the same thing but i do not think so obviously that is not the case yeah there are different we have all have different home pages with different links 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah right for instance you could not see this okay yeah well yeah well i am mike user interface designer the the method well i used my own experience with remotes took a good l look at the remotes on the corporate website which are these 2 yeah these are already in use yes these are from from another manufacturer alright okay this one is engineering centered so this one has the most functions and things this one is user centered yeah well yeah me too i like user centered i like user centr centered also the best yeah we also do that well i thought that we reduce the the option to control the d v d also and teletext and that kind of stuff so i thought we we we would use more or need more buttons than this one but we have to reject that because of the requirements but yes yeah th that is why this is not relevant any more i feel alright i think this is about the maximum number of buttons we will need yeah right i i kinda like the shape i think this is what we talked about but yeah you can not really see the differ from different sides but i think no i have well i showed it somewhere you can draw it if you yeah 0 yeah i think we should go further with the idea of a removable front so we can can yeah customize the well absolutely but i th they all have to have something about the recognition from our company so we cannot just yeah make someone w it is a front it is not the the whole remote that changes of course no but that is th the side they look look at is the front but it you can so if y if you make a a front with just a a tiger on it then our recognition is totally gone yeah that is right or you can you can can put the same symbol on on every remote yeah that is a must so l like ericsson does every we must have that yeah we must we can put it on the on the back side yeah well and and s something like this yes it is recognizable kay we can make a symbol of the company right here and if you put a front on it there is a hole on the front yeah so the symbol is always on yeah yeah so that you do not replace the symbol yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah something like that in the yeah or the th the the lowest part of the remote is not changed by the front yeah yeah but let us not focus on the front yeah those kind of things yes okay well so like i said i thought we would we would use more function if we we had to include more functions but we do not so yeah alright i think this is about the maximum number of buttons we need maybe some less like eject we do not need and some other buttons we do not need i think mike can you put that picture from me on the in the word documents file yeah i will in map i think for the remote less is more the less buttons the better the design yeah yeah i agree we should go with that concept i think i know alright i have i have got another point yeah there are 2 target audi audiences and we have chose for the younger one research has shown that it is a high interested in features they are high high interested in feature but they are more critical fo yeah critical the younger so the younger audience so we must must design a control that really speaks to the people well what if we i at i at home have a remote that has the most familiar buttons on the top and the bottom side of the front has a little clip a f a little you can click away and then you have f much more functions that most people do not use but s some do do i think the most functions underneath that no usually clip are not used much well but because you say they their features are important they want m a lot but not yeah right but yeah but what kind of features yeah i think m most like l c d screens and voice recognition yeah but yeah but i have most here look at these numbers the newest features are like i said are l c d and speech control our audience these people are very like these features yeah you see so we must build in something or they will to go to the concurrent competitors yeah the concurrent our competitor yeah competitors right so i do think we have to have some features yeah even though they cost a little more well maybe w we could s on some calculators you have lo those little little l c d th that you can click on or something right right or that you can click out of the remote and if if that is gives you a little bit of sta status information like a ticker tape yeah which program you are l watching or something yeah that is nice those kind of things because you also have those those program recognition for your v v c r s and well if y if your remote picks that up also you they can display which program you are currently watching yeah right yeah yeah right yeah so it it just signals the the different sig the different symbols on the screen you have yeah because if you change to s channel 2 you have 2 on the screen and 2 on your on your on your l c d screen for example it it could be such a little th that you can click in and out and you and you have it yeah we should keep that simple too but should it really be clickable or or just integrate inside to try to make it d more trendy it will yeah no not clickable well maybe no it should be integrated nah no no no i think yeah just at at the top so when you s you sit like this you can can watch i think it should be at the top yeah yeah something like on some radios in car yeah you where it is yeah walking to yeah yeah right it is a ticker tape idea r d s s or something but that is of course a bit more expensive than the basic calculator design with the scrolling text and that kind of thing wa yeah well it is just one script well i think it is you got it just means it is a script that is keeps it rolling and it is not that is 5 minutes off implementing time i think yeah 5 minutes of ja ja for programming yeah so i do not think that is the issue no alright alright we go with the l c d screen well i think so yes yeah well we we we still need to know how much that will cost kay right i do not know if i can find that but we are g no but we are we will have to look into that or maybe you will get that information yeah next time we can use this board again i think yeah right we can put some decisions about the controls we want th the issue where is my presentation yeah i understand what you are saying we should have a general idea of how it is going to look well i mean we are all here now i think these i have already given you so we have to decide on the different remote control functions right so we want to have a small l c d screen that is special at the top should not we start with the most important parts at the top or at the bottom yes the l c d screen alright but we should start with the power button i think the top is more yeah when you s how do you zap yeah but you just sit in your chair huh with the remote yeah but with with the l c d screen on the top it gets a bit unnatural that thing is terrible cause most remotes have some space left at the bottom yeah but that is where your hand ball might be yeah i dunno yeah no and then we will draw 2 and then we will see maybe we should centralize the discussion here i dunno what you were talking about but no he thinks yeah right we are busy with something he thinks it is better to put the l c d at the bottom and i think it is better at the top huh why do you think it is better at the bottom well well because most remotes have some space left at the bottom and that way you can keep the shape recognizable for everybody but your but you just can put the the the the the whole interface a bit down so that there is room for the for the interface i c yeah well i d i think that is that is ugly but the the ticker the l c d is like like small it is it is wide it is not not high huh but i th well i th i think mike mike has a point and and we can because when when when i use a remote i l i hate the buttons but buttons at the at the bottom yeah power button always yeah bottom yeah so and and i i like to use the ones yeah y you got to zap like this or you want to yeah on the top so when i u when i have to have an l c d s scr window yeah right but well that is a bit exaggerated we are making a remote with with a few functions you know well i agree with you it is it is also more recognizable we it looks more like a calculator to people if you have the l the the yes but we we we we do not want that the thing on top yeah you do not want you want yeah it it it must be a remote we do not want them to look like a calculator we want to look it like our original but familiar yeah w well but you do not have to throw important aspe important aspect like familiarity completely away because i think it is yeah high tech yea maybe a bic better white we white i think it is still important to have it at the top because it is width width format yeah format line width th that is not a problem width it is more familiar that way yeah when i draw here it 0 huh it is a bit off yeah it is off a little a little bit well it it needs to be calibrated again well let us talk about that later well maybe you should another pen maybe that is better you e you only have one pen for that screen where alright we have to make a decision now because we do not have much time it is special pen yeah yeah no i think we have a few functions and we can put the l c d above it and still have lots of room at the bottom where you can put your hand yeah i i agree i think it should be at the button bottom well i am the i i am the designer so at the bottom bottom the l c d in a few minutes 0 yeah 0 yeah i totally agree at the bot yeah so yeah we are 2 v s 2 well but what what if we we 1st decide the different functions and then look at the design he is the boss yeah right great we we were busy with that because we have to decide this yeah we should summon the the different aspects of the thing yeah so we have the power button and moreover i think that you 2 should be come to consensus about the l c d s yes it is your it is your job yeah of course well we have a power button it is no it is our job yeah w wh guys while you have to agree i can say it is like this and you must agree for all of us i think yeah right guys alright let us keep it central yeah we have a power button setting buttons l c d window the number buttons the 10 numbers yeah channel yeah volume volume control yes the mute button well let us look at your design i h love that one huh i think we we should use something like this to the the channel up and channel down button yes yeah in circle you know yeah yeah yeah yeah well that is that is also design and and a volume control also in it yes right yeah well h ho but th th on this remote th these controls are for something else a d v d player or something yes yes yes as i already said we could drop some of these buttons they are for some video so you should put that power button channel and volume should have the most importance yeah i think these should be in one big circle in the middle yeah but what he said about r s i was t kinda true when when you put them all in the same place the most used buttons you are doing the same thing all the time and that is just what r s i is all about so it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other apart so people have to move their hand and they get less complaints of r s i yeah it is it is also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand y yeah that is what i always do because all my i important buttons are the same place it is good to move from time to time yeah yeah but people do not like it when their buttons are all over the place yes they they need to be centered no but now y w would we have to choose a well not frequency of button use way in middle yes channels are most is most used within the hour volume hardly huh you can see so the the channel channel buttons should be far far apart i think up and down no i do not think 0 up and down far apart from each other far apart you thinking about r s i yeah but yeah but no well not too much y look at look at the frequency nei not too much but the other the other 2 frustrations are far more important so i think you can have the 2 buttons of up and down close together but you do not have have to have volume control and and zapping button close together well for example the power button you can if someone is constantly z zapping well they are used 4 times an hour so it is not going to miss that it that the power button is not right beside it because i have someone but the buttons is way nei nei nei n i i totally agree so that one can be put away but just yeah right yeah i agree the power button can be power bu button should be left at the top and should and should be red yes yeah 0 man 5 minutes yeah well 5 minutes left right just make some decisions yep the most important things we have to how are we going to do it with those numbers c c can you make you make we can use the drawing board now i think it it does not work well but but it it would be pretty pretty nice if we could just draw a simple thing well i have it here i do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now yeah well that is going to take too too much time just you decide that you decide that and ready yes yeah yes alright well the l c d you are industrial you are user interface so i think it is going to go to mike yeah but you will have to make consensus with well well consensus we we can put it in the middle so well it is a bit hard because we are going to be individually nei we are no we are deciding now so that is a bit yes top or bottom well yeah i i still think it is it is quite important though to to have it at the top so yeah yes it is you say familiarity is not important but well what if we are going to now decide about the functions and the design comes into the next round okay plus the d th the design round is still to come huh yeah d yeah right yeah okay alright alright these functions as we we we we agreed we do have a l c d the number f well yes that is alright so that is yeah okay w the number function that is enough yeah are we going to do it like on mike is screen with one button that says i am going to do a t 2 number digital no how do you want it to do then there is 12345667890 well just when you push a 11 and it it has to r recognize one as there could still come more no if you on most t v s if you press 2 numbers shortly after each other d it yeah 0 like that yes they would recognize it th that is the most that that is very easy alright so no button for that yeah yeah no yeah okay anyone any oth other functionalities of our remote i think these are the the most important functions do you still have the pictures over there yeah so yeah that is about it you do need the multi or did no like this one you do need them no we would just said we did not yeah i know but are we alright alright now okay well well because we can not integrate it with any other remotes all those buttons on those pictures are irrelevant right so just for a television is that all we need yeah it is most useable this way basic function yeah teletext is gone so all those buttons that ar are to do with teletext 0 screen placing we will have those buttons about and the 2 important ones we are l f forgetting there is screen you can make it wider and less wide yeah and the button that you can go to a v for your video right i do think we have to put that underneath a clip 0 yeah those 2 but it is just 2 and we make a clip just 2 just 2 under under th that is a bit waste we we can make make a little row of like 4 buttons down here yes yeah okay right i i think or at the top your l c d screen is going to go or at yeah alright then but you you can put 2 or 3 buttons under another section that is that is too complicated you can just put it somewhere they they are not used much not as much as those other so you can put it somewhere yes yeah 0 they can be small or round like buttons yeah s bit smaller and s well and and i think more at the bottom yeah yeah or at the top yeah what do you think those those buttons above or down well i think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote and w where well we design it later we have it and we design later where everything goes yes yes yeah yes well any other well if you you take those th if you why go to video go to video that is always on your remote control yeah but you can z you can zap t you can you can zap to the video channel from 0 to to a v to a v a v a v the the video channel that is just 0 yeah well l n no not at not at my remote no no not always ze yeah 0 is a different channel than the the video channel yeah yeah but you can can zap down yeah but when you zap down 0 you get to a v yes yes i think th i do not i go to 99 no then you press 99 ah well whatever i think go to video is an irrelevant button but th that is the button no but it is easy to go if you are at at channel 55 and you want to go immediately to the video channel you do you have to push a to to get below 0 no you can ch push 0 it is more easy to get to where the specific video channel button yeah yeah i i think that one button is i use it yeah but if we are choosing to incorporate these buttons you have to have channel setting if you wa if you have a new t v you have to set the channels yeah right all th these different buttons you have to these buttons i do not have buttons for channel setting especially on my remote ah i do yeah well d different screen settings a yeah sk yeah y you you you you have screen width it is it is incorporated with p m +and down those yeah well y you must have yeah you yeah you have 11 button from s set frequency 0 or something and then with +and min minus you can adjust the right that is the only one we put in there so we still have 14 for a screen fu channel setting ch ch yeah to 0 yeah of course to configure the program the yeah program right okay 0 the okay button 0 you always have in the center an okay button for your menu yeah yeah alright menu button you should yeah i think that is important and and the settings to change the brightness the settings to change the brightness and the contrast channel setting menu we have to go okay channel yeah so save chief chief yes see th the menu menu button is also important then you can yes i have put it in where i do not see it here 0 menu alright i think things like contrast and brightness should be in the menu yeah in the menu and you can then adjust it with the zapping buttons or something yeah the because the zapping buttons are not used then if you are in the menu alright or the volume or something like that guys yeah or the volume yeah we are going to go to our rooms and we will have to decide s things on our own i think your pen ah great so yes chief alright i thought we would lunch right now or not well see you w w we have lunchtime by the way now so yeah this is this is your thing ah yeah lunch break okay i am hungry lunch get into my belly ah we did not exactly do everything but so see you later mate" ]

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[ "hey hey so so your queen was also a way no no no no no hi right so 0 great 0 i have got my pen well i do not need it 0 no no my screen is small again well it does not matter a lot here is what to do yeah i know but i can read it i can read it like hey my screen is big great man who starts well i will start just with another presentation so then we can look at the agenda for this meeting okay put some new things in the map 0 so this is it i do not know that short good so ah i well our functional design meeting that is the states we are in and you also have all 3 of you have prepared something about it yes well and we will just have a look at the notes from the previous meeting what we thought we had decided but then we will look at the 3 presentations from you i think you have prepared for all yeah we will look at the new project requirements we i do not know you also have received that mail the new project requirements from our bosses no no 0 i have received a middle with some additional requirements and i will have a look of well i think we should show them before your presentations because it is not really smart to include some things weekends because of the new requirements well then we can make some decisions about our remote control functions we have to be we have to decide in this meeting what our functions will be and then we can discuss some more closing we have 40 minutes for this discussion yeah i think so alright well the closing i will not look at that yet right now i will show it at this board well i will know i will show it at this board well i know notes 1st meeting now i gave a presentation we familiarized ourselves with the boards and then we discussed some 1st ideas so we said that we have to merge the strong points from our competitors and look at their remote controls we should make it compatible with our new dvd and other releases we have our technical releases not too many buttons one recognizable button in the middle where you do the most important functions with and well they can have 2 functions because you have a dvd and a television the design has to fit the hand be original but also be familiar it is one of ideas it is just 30 minutes ago so it is not quite no it is right but where i have to do it the materials well should be hard plastic with rubber from the ties and the labeling of the buttons should be inextricable it should be recognizable at all times not being used well fronts for the remote just like one more telephones like mobile telephones and the technical aspect and also labeling of the buttons the functions should be universal standards well that is just some ideas from the 1st meeting it is quite logical all of it now the new project requirements i will just show them i got this mail from our bosses well tatar text goes out we will not use tata text maybe a new sort of thing but not teletext it is not my place to disagree i guess the 2nd is a bit pity because we just said we wanted to include the dvd and they do not want it because of our time we have for this project 0 all right so that is a shame because especially for the 3rd requirement we want to reach people under the 30 years because we do not have those customers a lot at this point well it is a bit pity because just those people want to have one remote control for all those technical devices they can let us forget about it it is just time consuming so we have to go well and our corporate image should stay mechanizable in our products so we have to use maybe a slogan maybe color and yeah well on our remote controls the design has to be well as we already said actually familiar not only this the shape but also our company yeah we are a real fashion more company i read it i did not know what company we were but we we designed especially trendy trendy trendy stuff so it does to be a modern design that is important to know when you design things yes i noted our slogan we have our company our company that is we put the fashion in electronics now so maybe that is a slogan we can put somewhere on a remote control or something all right then we are going to have 3 presentations you want to start i think i have to start i did not see anything about that 0 no well i just have to think which files mine because i was a bit in a hurry okay well i think it is this one but i am not sure i have to my you already opened to powerpoint all right yes this is well i am going to tell you something about functional requirements to start with these points next year at 1st i tell you something about what people dislike about the current controls because it is a smart thing to exclude those things furthermore it is very important what they do like and what they do use then i tell something about the most important issues so we have to focus on those 3 things and in the end i will show you our target audience or our target product users with product users customers well the 1st findings are that people think most controls are very kind of ugly that is 75% of the current users they do not like it so we might think about france in that section they also say that is about i thought it was 50% that more money will be spent on better looking controls so it is very important that you design a nice looking control the current user uses his machine just about well all the time for a few functions almost every user uses the control for just 10% of his capacity so it is really important to make the buttons for the common tasks kind of big or kind of flashy furthermore it is 75% of the users zaps a lot this might be smart to make a big zapping button or something in the middle so you can reach it with your thumb you can zap away yeah right right a lot of losers users lose their controls in the living room so it might be sensible to make some kind of a button on your television that your your control beeps or something that you can find it very easily i do not know maybe that is an idea because it is a big i think 50% of the users loses its control within the same room it should actually be loose from the television because it can also be used for other televisions so if you deliver a small click on device that you can put on your television that leaps to your remote control yeah but if you lose your click on the device no you can click it on your television yeah but if somebody else uses it in another room or something yeah yeah it is yes it is yes it is the the control is lost in the same room so well b 2 device would be furthermore the learning time is a problem 34% thinks it is too difficult to learn so the learning curve should be very short for the dumb people should be able to use it i think our user expert should also consider manual a manual for the remote of course yeah but people do not read manuals no they do not read it 0 no so it is users to add one do you think i do not think i think you should put more time in the design of pickup and use than a manual you should take a look at it and know how it is supposed to work yeah right you should always be a manual but it can be very sure yeah but nobody with all the remotes about a remote control i think yes okay maybe for the if you do not recognize a button who do they call who do they call it should be the manual but not to explain how the remote works we do not have much time so it is better to put our attention to the design so you can pick up and use it we are a design team we can say to some writer make a manual is that part of the no no well we will have a look next point yes erisee well that is about 20% i thought thought but the designer should take it to should consider the consequences of using your remote it should be good in your hand right this is the most important part like the requirements said we are going to specify if we are going to target a younger audience that about 60% of the market so it is quite important research shows that they like to have a little lcd screen on their on their zapping device i thought it was the age between 16 and 20 99% of the people like that so it is very important we should definitely have that in our designs well with €12 50 as production cost we can not afford an lsd yeah but they think it is really important so if we want to if we have a big if we make lots of of those stuff maybe we can buy it very cheap i do not know we have to well we will consider it yeah well you are your task to look into the costs i do not know i do not have any information on that well i know we will look into that later right and another thing is speech recognition they also like that but research is very costly i think that is difficult to realize also yeah but it might be important we have very demanding clients it is not yet a standard development no and we have customers in multiple lcd is more reachable than speech recognition so we might consider lcd screens yeah all right i will consider both see what we can find i think we do not rule them out to yeah me okay i think that is it i think it is sensible to you to take this take these points into the notes so you can right well you i can still see your presentation yeah right well next i do not know who is next you got a can i give a technical talk yes well go ahead well it is my task to explain or to point out a working design yep and we have that here how do you enlarge it so that you can have the f 5 f 5 well the working design that is my next button well all right you know i am and what i am know i am and what i do so we have this it is a bit unclear because i wanted to copy paste something it was originally in black and white but it became black and purple but i think you can read it well i think it is important for you to realize the basic function of a remote control well you can see maybe you can select it so it is no yeah it is inverts and i do not i can select on the it goes to the next page the whole picture click well you can read it it is not too difficult this is a schematic view of how a basic remote control works you have basically the energy the power of the remote control and the sender which is the lead the bulb that sends the infrared beam to the set and the source is of course the user and the user interface is the buttons of course and the user interface sends the the different signals of the different buttons to the chip the chip sends it to the left and the lead sends it to receive that is the basic idea very basic well i have put it in a couple of basic steps the remote is basically just waiting for a user to press a key it does nothing until of course the key is pressed the key press the signal to a chip the chip sends the connection and recognize the key so well you understand the chip produces morse code a specific code to indicate that specific button that is pressed of course and it uses transistors in the remote control to amplify and to send that signal again to the lead which is the bulb of course and the lead producers in infrared beam and signals the well it is very simple and signals the signals to the sensor on the tv set and the tv set also recognizes the signal and performs the assigned task so this is also why we have to have a button that says i am now busy with a dvd if we had done that and the button for tv but we do not no no but yeah exactly well this is the basic function of a remote i have a couple of pictures here it is a very basic one and score if we are going to add an lcd screen to it it will not look anything like this but this is very basic basically the shape of a remote control it has very little buttons and but it is it is quite you can easily recognize the buttons they are far enough apart and anything it is not very not very not very high tech indeed and it is not very user friendly if you look at the shape it is just a simple long box shape so we have to change a little bit to that so that it becomes more use princely and that the problems like air z and those kinds of things do not do not say something do not occur yeah i have a table here about the relevance of the buttons the power button is used very much channel selection volume and teletext well teletext is not an option but i think it is very important to make the power channel and volume buttons near to the thumb so you can not have erasy consequences yeah because they are the most important buttons and you can immediately make them easy to well you do not have to look and search for them if you have the most used buttons all in one place and you keep making the same well i was but if you would put it at a different place then you have to move your hands and that is one of the things about rsi that is right that is right you can not have any every button under the thumb no but the most important buttons maybe you can just put them a bit apart so you would that is very important reject rsi maybe you can make for channel changing 2 little buttons on the side of the remote so you can just do like this yes i saw that on my mobile telephones they also have those things usable do people when they pick up remote know that they have to do that it is a new well it is a new feature you can make a double feature like a button on the top and also if someone puts up and down they will understand it i think well if someone picks up his remote and he picks it but he touches the side and he is already on the next channel that is very irritating yeah that is right yeah yeah right right right in any case the basic function should be indeed as you say at the thumb i think that is a good idea and the less important buttons like the different chambers the numbers one 3 4 or 5 should be well not in reach because they do not use it all the time well it is pretty pretty yeah basically as you said and i have some pictures of the inside workings but i do not want to get too technical because that is not very useful for you are part of the job so yeah this is how it looks from the inside and well that is about it i think 0 yeah i still have this 0 i had to delete this but i had to make a schematic of the thing but i had to do a little time but do not look at this please well i think it is clear we understand all right all right that is the most important thing nice all right then mike can give the 3rd presentation right how late is we started this presentation i do not know i think about 20 minutes ago yeah then we have still the time but we do have to come to a decision yeah right so so sq 0 i thought everybody on the website would see the same thing i do not think so that is not the case yeah there are different we have different home pages 0 yeah different links yeah yeah right for instance you could not see this okay yeah well yeah well yeah well i am mike younger usually in face design the method well i used my own experience with remotes to look at the remotes on the corporate website which are these 2 yeah these are already in use yes they are from another manufacturer all right this one is engineering center so this one has the most functions and things this one is user centered and i like user center yeah i like user center i like user center also the best we also do that well i thought that we would use the option to control the dvd also and tailor text and that kind of stuff so i thought we would use more or need more buttons than this one but we have to reject that because of the requirements that is why this is not relevant anymore i think this is about the maximum number of buttons we will need yeah right i kind of like the shape i think this is what we talked about i think you can not really see it different from different sides but i think no i show it you can draw it if you yeah 0 yeah i think we should go further with the idea of removable fronts we can yeah customize well they all have to have something about the recognition from our company so they cannot just make someone it is not the whole remote that changes no but the side they look at is the front so if you make a front with just a tiger on it then our recognition is totally gone yeah that is right you can put the same symbol on every remote that is a must we can put it on the back side something like this it is recognizable we can make a symbol of the company right here and if you put the front on it there is a hole in the front yeah so that do not replace the symbol or the lowest part of the remote is not changed by the front but let us not focus on the front okay well so like i said i thought we would use more function we had to include more functions but we do not yeah i think this is about the maximum number of buttons we need maybe some less like eject we do not need some other buttons we do not need mike can you put that picture for me in the work documents while yeah i will i think for the remote less is more the less buttons the better the design yeah we should go with that concept i think i have got another point there are 2 target audiences and we have chose for the younger one research has shown that it is a high interested in features they are high interested in feature but they are more critical yeah critical the younger audience so we must design a control that really speaks to the people well what if we i at home have a remote that has the most familiar buttons on the top and the bottom side of the front has a little clap a little you can click away and then you have much more functions that most people do not use but some do but i think the most functions underneath that club are not as much they are well but they are usually they their features are important they want a lot but not but what kind of features yeah i think these screens but most look at the numbers the news features are like i said our lcd and speech control our audience these people are very like these features you see so we must build in something or they will to go to the conquerant our competitors right so i do think we have to have some features even though they cost a little more maybe we could on some calculators you have those little lcd that you can click on or something you can click out of the remote and if that gives you a little bit of status information yeah which program you are watching or something yeah that is those kind of things because you also have those those program recognition for your pcrs and yeah right if your remote picks that up also you they can display which program you are currently watching so so it just signals the different symbols on the screen you have because if you change to channel 2 you have 2 on the screen and 2 on your for example on your lcd screen it could be such a little that you can click in and out and you have it yeah we should keep that simple too but should it really be clickable no it is going to be integrated just integrate inside to make it more trendy when you sit like this you can watch something like on some radios in car where it is walking yeah right rds or something but that is of course a bit more expensive than the basic calculator design but the scrolling text and that kind of thing wow that is just one script you got a script that keeps it rolling and it is not it is 5 minutes of implementing time yeah for programming yeah so i do not think that is the issue no all right all right we go with the lcd well i think so yes we we still need to know how much that will cost right i do not know if i can find that no we will maybe you will get that information we can use this board again i think we can put some decisions about the controls we want the issue with it that where is my present presentation i understand what you are saying we should have a general idea of how it is going to look well we are here now i think these i have already given you so we have to decide on the different remote control functions so we want to have a small lcd screen that is special should we start with the most important part at the top or at the bottom alright we should start with the power button yeah how do you zap you just sit in your chair with the lcd screen on the top it gets a bit terrible because most remotes have some space left at the bottom yeah but that is where your handball might be yeah i do not know and then you draw 2 and now we see a maybe we should centralize the discussion here i do not know what you are talking about we are busy with something and you yeah right he thinks it is better to put the lcd at the bottom and i think it is better at the top why do you think it is better at the bottom well because most remotes have some space left at the bottom and that way you can keep the shape recognizable for everybody but you just can put the the whole interface a bit down so that there is i think the lcd is like small it is white it is not high i think mike has a point because when i use a remote i hate the buttons at the bottom so and i like to use the ones on the top so when i have to it is these well i agree with you with a few functions you know it is also more recognizable it looks more like a calculator to people if you have the yes but we do not want that we do not want them to look like a calculator you want to look at it like our original well but you do not have to throw an important aspect important aspect like familiarity completely away because i think it is i think it is still important to have it at the top because format line line it is more familiar that one when i draw here it is a bit off yeah it is off a little bit it needs to be calibrated well let us talk about that later hey you shoot another pen maybe that is better no no you only have one pen for that screen right we have to make a decision now because we do not have much time no i think we have a few functions and we can put the lcd above it lcd above it and still have lots of room at the button where you can put your hand i think it should be at the button well i am the design 0 yeah i totally agree we are 2 with vs 2 well but what if we 1st decide the different functions and then look at the design we were busy with that we should summon the different aspects of the thing so we have the power button more of i think that you 2 should be a come to consensus about the lcd is your job yeah of course yeah it is a yeah we have a power button guys are you have to agree i can not save on it is like this and i agree yeah we have a power button setting buttons lcd window the number buttons channel yeah volume volume control yes 0 let us look at your the mute button i have loved that one i think we we should use something like this to the channel up and channel down button yes yeah in circle you know yeah well that is that is also design also yes next be yeah well on this remote these controls are for something else a dvd player they are for some video you should put that power button channel and volume should have the most importance yeah i think these should be in one big circle in the middle yeah but what he said about rz was kind of true when you put them all in the same place the most used buttons you are doing the same thing all the time thing all the time and that is just what eros is all about so it might be smarter to put them a little more apart away from each other so people have to move their hands and they get less complaints of ours yeah it is also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand that is what i always do because all my important buttons are the same place people do not like it when their buttons are all over the place 0 no we have to choose a frequency of button use yes channels are most is most used within the hour volume hard to see so the channel buttons should be far far apart i think up and down i do not see up and down far apart from each other you are thinking about airsy well not too much much look at frequency not too much but the other 2 frustrations are far more important i think you connect the 2 buttons of up and down close together but you do not have to have volume control and zapped and zapped and close together if someone is constantly zapping it is not going to miss that is that the power button is not right beside because i have someone i do not agree so that one can be put away yeah right yeah the power button can be a power button should be left at the top yes and should be right 0 man 5 minutes yeah well 5 minutes left just make some decisions yep the most important things we have to how are we going to do it with those numbers we can use the drawing board now i think it does not work well but it is it would be pretty pretty nice if we could just draw or simple yeah well that is going to take well that is going to take too much time you have to keep it central now just you decide that you decide that yes all right ready well the lcd you are industrial you are user interface so i think it is going to go to mike but you will have to make consensus with thais well consensus well it is a bit hard because we are going to be individually that is a bit we are deciding now yes so top of bottom well yeah i still think it is quite important huh yes it is we have it at the top so yeah you say familiarity is not important but well what if we are going to now decide about the functions and the design comes into the next round okay but the design round is still to come eh yeah all right all right these functions because we agreed we do have lcd yes that is all right that is okay the number function that is enough are we going to do it like on mike is screen with one button that says i am going to do 2 number digital no how do you want it to do then there is 123 or 5 it has to recognize one as that can still come more if you all like that if you if you press 2 numbers shortly after each other yes it recognized it so no button for that that is very no okay anyone any other functionalities of our i think these are the most important function you still have the pictures over there yeah so yeah that is about it you do need milt or did like this one you do it no we just said we did not are we all right all right well no okay well because we can integrate with any other remotes all those buttons on those pictures are irrelevant so just for a television is that all we need yeah it is most useful this way it has your basic function teletext is gone so all those buttons that are to do with teletext 0 screen placing you have those buttons about and there is 2 important ones we are forgetting there is a screen you can make it wider and less wide and the button that you can go to a for your video right i do think we have to put that underneath the clap those 2 but it is just too and we just left just to under under a that is a bit waste make a little row of like 4 buttons down yes yeah okay right or think at the top your lcd scanners going to go you can put 2 or 3 buttons under another section that is that is too complicated you can just put it somewhere they are not used much not as much as those others so put it somewhere smaller round yes a bit smaller and well and and i think more at the bottom yeah yeah or at the top yeah what do you think in those those buttons about i think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote and where well we designed it later we have it and we designed later where everything goes now well any other well if you why do you go to video if you go to video that is always on your remote control yeah but to avie to have the video channel that is just 0 yeah no no not always not at my remote yeah 0 is a different channel than the video channel yeah but when you step down 0 you get to avi yes i do not i go to 99 then you press 99 i think go to video is that is the button but but it is easy to go i mean do if you are at a channel 55 and you want to go immediately to the video channel you do you have to push to no below 0 more easy to get to a with a specific i use it yeah but if we are choosing to incorporate these buttons you have to channel setting if you want if you have the new tv you have to set the channels all these different buttons i do not have buttons for channels something especially on my remote yeah well it is different screen settings +and down you have one button from set frequency or something and then with +and minus you can adjust the that is the only one we put in there so we show you have 14 for a screen of channel setting yeah to yeah of course to configure the program 0 the ok button 0 you always have in the center an okay button yeah for your menu menu button you should yeah i think that is important channel setting menu and the settings to change the brightness and the contrast okay channel yeah so chief chief yes say the menu button is also important yes i have to put it in where i do not see it here 0 many all right i think things like contrast and brightness should be in the menu and you can then adjust it with the zepen buttons or something because the zephyne buttons are in the menu guys we are going to go to our rooms and we will have to decide things on our own i think yes chief all right we have lunch time by the way now i am hungry i am hungry lunch get into my belly we did not exactly do everything man we go in the pauses sticent though do see you will light mike so i must have a closing say i had the closing not done hey i must have a closing do for my presentation you have just done" ]

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[ "okay door is closed well let us begin because if we have as much time as the last meeting we will have to hurry up i am listening right well i will start with the presentation again the agenda great yo so this one i think yeah well alright well i will show you the notes it is not as interesting as it should be because we just had the meeting but i will show them we will get your presentations again on the conceptual design then we will have to dec decide about the control the remote control concepts i have put a f a file in the project management folder which says exactly what kind of decisions we should take so this time we exactly know what to decide about alright great and then we will close again alright well these are some examples but we will talk about them later we will 1st look at your presentations alright walter will start again this time yeah great yo alright trendwatch kay right i will speak about latest trends trends latest fashion updates and things we must not do kay the trends it is very important that the control is fancy looking and good feeling this because of our last model was very functional but it people did not like that so our new mo model must be very good looking that is something you have to take a look at alright and the feeling has to be very great also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great alright there is a -2 times here because this is the most important point this is 2 times as less important and same for this one less technological technological innovations that is regarded very highly too such as an l c d screen speech acknowledgement as we talked about earlier well yeah so we have to have something like that like we l c d and our our fronts right the last point is easy to use well i think that speaks for s for itself i do not know who is who is going to look at that easy to use well easy to use s is a bit contradictionary with the 1st functional is not an issue and then easy to use yeah i think that is your ta yeah i know well we have to choose one of them i think we have to go for the 1st one yeah it is the most important one so we have to take that one okay so it it it is not very important that that it works easy well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use but it has to look great yeah we will we will look at we will see you yeah yeah yeah you can make a very complicated remote anyway so ease of use it is not a very comp complicated device yeah right but the most important thing is that it looks great and people say wow that is real great great concept alright kay alright these are the new colors of this year so it must be very bright very colorful people like this so we we have to think in this direction so i set your mind to it so well findings fashion update fruit and vegetables are cool i am told you think the group we are targeting is very pleased with fruit and vegetables so we we we might cons consider in front of in in that sort of way yeah well bananas furthermore material that is your part should be very strong i was thinking of something like well iron plate over it maybe in a color or something that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong yeah and that is also for the younger public b well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year th this year it is fruits but next year it is it is something totally different yeah that is great yeah but i think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something really thin yes so it looks very heavy but you can still use it very easily yep alright well the don ts older people like dark colors and simple shapes well we do not want older people we want young people so we are going to turn that around we are going to have real cool shapes and lots of colors alright right wood is popular okay aha we do not want wood yeah yeah yeah yeah among the old people yeah old people so that is it for me alright nice well show us right i am going to tell you something about the components design again i have put up the specification properties this so the different components of the of of the device and the materials i have heard several things so i i will have to change that on the way but the case i suggested in the previous meeting hard plastic but as you indicated it should be strong yeah we should change that it should feel strong so maybe plastic is not sufficient we should move to something well maybe it it it is but it does not look strong so maybe well yeah y hard plastic i is of course pretty pretty tough but it does not have a really really tough look no no no but we still have to look at our price of course so because if we want an l c d window etcetera yeah also yeah but we will return to that yeah the buttons of course rubber i think everyone agrees and electrical cables copper is all pretty basic stuff the chips made of silicon i guess i think that is the best way to do it and infra infrared l led is just a simple bulb then i have had a few findings made a few findings the target audience product style it is generally the case that senior and wealthy people above 45 years old like as you said particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that they also like straightforward shapes and luxurious style but of course that is not our things this so this is things we must not do yes and then we have young and dynamic people which is of course our group the people we aim at under 45 years old they like soft materials with primary colors soft materials is of course agai again a bit a contradiction with our material choice of what you said that it should be hard an and and and and strong looking yeah but they like soft materials so we might we have to consider that yeah and also they like curved round shapes so not too formal like like the older people want and if also a finding but not very ap applicable here that sports and gaming devices such as discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices gaming devices should define the characteristics of the device but since we do not have a really a sports or gaming device so we do not really have to consider that sports they are that are accessible on on your l c d window huh soccer fronts that is nice well i also have all the results we keep coming back to the fronts yeah several examples of styles so you can get a clear picture of what i mean yeah these are the basic older older peoples stuff yeah yeah it was not very interesting very classical looking but that is n that is not what we want we have these kind of things fruity i do not know what exactly they are it looks like well you know you recognize the shapes it is very primary colors bright colors and round shapes nai no you also see this device it is not very round and fruity of course fruity yeah it that is true it is t terrible alright and well round shapes primary colors you can see it all here and of course this famous device i think as you know something some devices like this yeah alright so to give you an idea of well it has got a strong look this this has a strong look although it is plastic it is it is gray to to to give it iron look yeah yeah it still has a strong look yeah and it is round that is but then you are losing your fruity colors yeah well we have to make a well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another color that is true so those kind of things you can you can combine well we can not really make a round a round remote control i do not think that is very practical but but it is important to to to think about the color no it is not okay because if we make it gray or or silvery looking it it does make it a lot more does make it looking a lot more stronger yeah but the yes cause if you look at this it it does not look very very strong becau but this is plastic and and this too but but it does not have to look strong the the results are the feel of the material is expected to be strongy the feel the feel alright well so if you ti and it it does not have to be strong also well nah yeah the feel you you maybe you should have some some colored titanium or something only the feel so it it looks pretty but it feels strong right 0 i agree and i then i have some more findings about the energy energy source of the of the device i suggest the basic battery i got some other energy sources of course but solar energy is not very practical inside a house because you do not have a have a lot of sun and kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical i think for for a simple remote that is a bit 0 that is a bit no titanium that is a bit much and i also suggest as a shape a double curved case the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium that that is the information i received if you use the curved case a curved case double curved then you what do you exactly mean with double curved can not use titanium now this to give it a more modern look and now the the shape yeah a curved case yeah i think sort of triangle shaped bottom or something a more modern look not plain long box style but i dunno double curved i will draw it but maybe later yeah it it mean yeah well okay yeah and it makes it gives it a more u user friendly shape than if you have anyway f as for the buttons simple push buttons no otherwi no difficult scroll things or some things like that because it makes more complex and expensive and as we agreed we do not use a speaker or a sensor or speak speech controlled device yeah right because it makes it also more complex and expensive but we do use an l c d screen so we we do have to consider of we have to use a more advanced chip which is more complex and expensive but well it is worth the trouble i think because the buttons can be made of an a soft material because people like that this soft material thing from yeah rubber is a soft material i guess yeah soft enough yeah right right yeah so that is basically what i want to talk about alright okay we will take that and then mike okay yeah well nah the method we will include the buttons as we discussed earlier an l c d s screen will be implemented we must decide where this meeting there are new developments in speech recognition systems and they are already being used on coffee machines and well they are cheap so we could use them now 0 it is not really speech recognition it is more like you can talk to the chip that is interesting record the message and record an answer and then once you talk to the remote then he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left so if i say hi mike and you have recorded hi mike back then you will get that 0 yeah i understand 0 okay yeah okay right but you can also say that when you say something it does some function no it does not does not do anything no 0 but i it is just a yeah it is it is cheap that is a bit but that that makes it cheap it is it is just a an extra function and it is cheap yeah yes i understand but it has no functionality for our remote at all no but no but that is the gadget they want or the gimmicks yeah right but it it is n nice for young people young people love them yes we we should really include that one i think they like gadgets yeah ple yeah right if it is cheap yeah well as i said earlier i think the l c d screen should be positioned at the lower end of the remote the buttons for screen width and general settings and and that kind of stuff we can also do let that kind of functions be shown in the l c d screen instead of extra buttons so you put a menu in the l c d i think young people and yeah w well every user would like that the buttons should be positioned positioned the same way as they are on a well conventional remote i think for the learnability and well to keep it recognizable a voice recognition can be implemented and i drew an example but it did not work quite the well the way i wanted it to do alright can you draw it now of can you draw it now how how ah well i have the i can draw it again and i know what i did wrong i did not tick the note bo box in the alright how do you give input to the menu on the l c d screen with the the up and down and and well buttons and the alright so you have a menu button and then you can go up and down well i will draw what i had drawn on the screen but then we should also have an an okay button yeah right yes i shall draw this button yeah if it works just there is already a blank yes so yeah yeah so have i nah you have to push hard i suggest a banana shape because of the fruity fashion yeah yeah no m next year that is out yellow and yeah alright yeah just a hunch well these little buttons are a bit difficult to draw yeah those are the the cha the channel buttons of course correct yeah just the numbers and then below is the l c d screen these these will be bigger in the the real design alright yeah this must be the okay button used to interact with the l c d screen and with this you can yes go to through the menus and that can yeah the video button should be an apart button because you want it to t yeah to use it fast within one click you have yes right and what is the menu button and you you need a you need a speaker it is for the this button can also be the menu button we use in the menus well we we can add another button here but but how did how do you get out of the menu then yeah maybe i you could j just do an an exit with okay by pe pressing the menu button again by pressing the menu button again you go out yeah yeah yeah it is usual the the the d kind of the way it works yes well but bec because when you push menu you get in and then you have to push okay when you get to a choice yeah yeah ah right yeah well you you and but you can men you can press menu again to get out well that is also the okay button that is you you should have no no we we we should add a extra menu button and this the okay button no or you can put in the l c d is window an option get out exit exit ah once you have an extra menu button you do not need that that extra option well it is just a choice you have redundancy but we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech part or do not yeah if we decide to to implement that maybe we should why would you put it then and where is the recording the microphone where would you put it well they that could be anywhere that is very small it could be down here huh well not here i yeah i suggest here but that is just a little gap right and spea speaker at the back or something microphone yeah yeah well the speaker and the microphone i think are the same little hole thingy yeah i understand alright yeah but we could d do but it is perhaps more expensive the speaker on the back or something well i there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines so they will not be very expensive but huh alright alright yeah okay this is my suggested design well okay alright yes then let us have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make and 0 i think as you can see so the l c d screen does look better at the lower end or at the bottom i would i agree yeah fine but fine move on well yeah yeah yeah yeah 0 i had some examples i can live with it you can yes but i did not like it very much but well these are too big quite obvious very ugly remote yeah they do they do not look fruity enough nei they are n they are not trendy no well th they are all black yeah well not all hey that one i like this is for children but th tho yeah those it does not look strong no no but it does not the w but with the colors i it is a bit the way we are going to the remote yeah right yeah ok yeah well this is a terrible terrible this is just crazy but it it must not look too childish of course huh it is it is all too much buttons this looks yeah too many buttons that is this these are the l c d screens i think we should if it is possible one with colors but nah th it is too expensive i do not know too expensive well that is too expensive i think yeah alright well nah but it yeah alright yeah okay ha even more huh n no but are we going for a strange form kay no not very strange cause people like that not not too strange not too strange no you can make the the underside you can make it more round where the l c d is it still has t yes th a a kind of bridge so it f falls over the hand i dunno if you know the no nokia telephone with the round thing at at the bottoms s something like that well yeah yeah yeah you know well i have at home a remote with a bridge it is just a half round half half circle at and then it falls exactly over the hand and that is very nice that is it feels comfortable yeah but people like something new you know exotic yeah yeah different we have t yeah yeah yeah i will design it we design it later y yis so we will get to that later i guess alright great yeah alright where did i put it the specific shape conceptual phase i think this is it the i got this from our friends so yeah the conceptual design our sources these are a few examples which we have to decide about all the the materials from the case the electric cable that is all your your side of the story your bag yeah now from the user interface your package where no well that is more like the buttons where they have to come and b a bit of yeah well a bit of design yeah this is what we have just done but we should decide now yes but we have to decide about these now right ah right yeah materials are the most most impor and the trend watching so as you said fruity is in well sells good wow yeah these things so we have to put it in one document yes so if we go through them copy paste this story into a into a word document and then put the answers after the subjects yeah not everything well we have to decide all these things yeah but all these examples are of a coffee machine yeah well w we can override them why should i yeah so well a case that is me i suggest well what do i suggest actually what what kind of properties should it have s solid yeah well we just listened i think we why do not we use titanium or or a hard yeah yeah some kind of metal for the the the whole remote except the front do you know the new that just like most cell phones are yeah i understand no no yeah so we have titanium the front is the most important yeah but the non removable elements of the of the remote so not the front could be titanium to give that strong look yeah you know what and then the front is made of plastic and you can put that on and off and switch it yeah but the feel of plastic is not strong no but you have titanium of course no but you you have this yeah you have the best of both worlds yeah alright alright kay yeah you have the re remote in your hand like this so you feel titanium and of course yeah you have the the the plastic front end but you also have the titanium yeah fronts are are cheaper than when they are from plas yeah yeah of course but yeah you have to make a and i do not know if you can make steel just any way you want it to decision yeah but it it is expensive i guess so titanium i sh i think yeah bendable huh bendable well well the well any color according to my sources it is it is totally possible to make an entire titanium is available and we can make an entire remote out of it if we want yeah then you you paint it in the color you want it yeah the plastic is is the color you want it paint spray yeah alright so yeah so we are going for a titanium back and a plastic front alright i have yeah i think that is a nice trade off titanium back plastic front okay well i am going to put it in here because we can look yeah great yeah i solid feel and trendy look alright so material hard plastic for the front yeah for the front and then titanium for the back yeah for the non removable part but then you have the problem when you have a titanium back you can not switch it when you want an other color on the front it does not match well but you know well titanium is neutral the titan titanium is not is not v very yeah i it does not curves i understand no i nei titanium is very no no no but you know b titanium is very basic color yeah yeah yeah and it does not really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front yeah yeah alright i dunno if if you disagree but i think it is does not matter very much well yeah alright our customers will use those funky trendy colors and they do not use wood funky customers and even if it does does not match it will people like colors that do not match yeah alright okay and well the the electrical cable is just normal cop copper material yeah excuse me the electrical cable does it is from our coffee yeah copper i just a ba basic no we do not use an electrical cable yeah inside but this is for the coffee machine yeah in yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of of course yeah but that is not what is meant here i think nei so external 0 external yeah yeah well a coffee grind does not have na ja never mind the coffee grind well all the all the inside work of our remote is standard work so right the chip is normal silicon the buttons are normal etcetera okay alright so that is just easy we decide about that just by looking at our competitors and our earlier remotes the conceptual specification of the user interface well we have our beautiful drawing alright well i got a better one here and i will well you can put that in into the shared folder and then i will put it in our end report the shared folder i will work this out for the next meeting yes you can yeah you can put some which button is what yeah yeah yeah okay the trend watching included these days and what do we we thing that fruit and bright colors are yeah the the the front w i think we can launch a couple of packages you can buy a different kind of of of machine but it is the same thing but with another front yeah yes so we can also implement we can also implement fronts from movies that are very hot yeah that is the whole idea of the front and you can you can yeah yeah yes those kind of things yeah right but that is for later on the fronts y you can do anything with them yeah yeah but if you if you launch 5 different packages like ipod mini yeah right for the initiative launch yeah for the for the launch yeah it is good marketing launch different lines at once so e th then a c couple of basic colors not not very sim not yeah n not too heavy you can always take another pick yeah we should not give them the m the most lovely front they have to buy it later on when they buy it for the 1st time yeah 0 yeah yeah yeah right yeah come on more basic we still have to make those 50000000 yeah yeah yeah very boring yeah well you can you can give them s s 3 or so so that they can experiment with it and that they want more the most boring fronts possible the most ugly yeah right 2 yeah but you you can have some basic colors and then we come with the special patterns on them and and and yeah red red blue and green you give them or something and then you can give them other ones yeah yeah yeah alright well the buttons etcetera we get from mike this fruit and bright colors yeah well i think we will have to in the next half an hour we will have to s s specify the different types we want to launch when we well introduce our remote we still have to make we have still have to make the es the the real basic design because yeah we have the sketch but yeah but we we must remember that fancy look and feel is the most important thing yes else it w will not sell so yes alright yeah well i will have to before i get another warning for 5 minutes i am going to get where is my mouse where is my mouse lost my mouse 0 yeah this is it unbelievable well this we have yeah basic stuff interface we have supplements l c d maybe a a cheap voice recording well yes yeah we should do that the price alright individual actions we all agree on that yeah industry designer user interface mike you are going to work together on a prototype drawing on the smartboard yeah we can do that together or yeah together yeah togeth that is what i got to hear how yeah yeah but how do i but bu we stay we stay here or something yes well we will get it to hear that i think but i think so you can take the smartboard th they are saying smartboard and that is it ah right this is the smartboard so and take it to our rooms and so you can you you are going to make a prototype and y well that is includes specifying the buttons etcetera ah specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach yeah so you will get it on your em on your laptop well you will go and do something else on the project yeah project evaluation have fun some some non functional tasks so kay what are you going to do i do not know what product evaluation exactly means but you will get the specifications we do not have produ product yet so kind of difficult yeah that is why i but you are fired no but how long do we still have well can we talk about something else yeah no i do not know anything but maybe anyone else yeah ajax yeah nah will we use round buttons or square ones for the for the numbers round round i think yeah yeah i i i also thought yeah round to make it as as round as possible and these these s these buttons are more triangle ish shaped with a square one in the middle why does curvy yeah so you can see you have to up or down ah f fuck you yeah yeah but now i see the and this must be volume i think and this program heh we can not get well most of the time up and down is program and left and right are volume i think well th th th th th that depends yeah yeah it depends but well we if you turn up the volume you always see this thingy go up we we j we will just give them an we will design it and then they can give comments on it yeah that is right yeah yeah alright yeah ts it does not work any more okay we can not save them so we will just have them standing there yeah i noticed you can not click the corners no it is a bit bit a pity it is a real real great thing well we still have more than 5 minutes so what are we going to do i as project manager ha do not have a clue let us start the design 0 we can decide how we implement the feeling from our company into the remote well yeah i think a logo our company logo and the slogan should be or could be yeah why not also the slogan on the if there is enough space you can put we will we will i i would say only the logo 0 yeah me too too much text and it gets too too busy well our slogan is not very long it is just a simple what is it well it is quite a long phrase we put the fashion in electronics we put the fashion in electronics but we kree we keep adjusting to the fashion you c with our fronts so but you can put it on the back on the titanium part the logo and the and the yeah right ah the logo should be on the top i think the logo on the top yeah well in in in the right top corner yeah they do well yeah yeah right corner yes and well you c on the back you can put h at the bottom you can put the logo with the right corner or maybe here in the middle the text yeah yeah but the logo the logo should not be exchangeable when you get off the front just just small yeah at the back yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board and you can remove the front well you c well yes yeah well yeah you can the logo can be on on every front yeah yeah but you can scratch it off or something it is better if you have it yeah but then you must really yeah push it in or something carved into the material no you you can carve it into the titanium at the back i l i like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing but am i the only one or yeah on the backside well management would like it well n n not not on the front side i think the front side no no l no slogan no not on the front but on the backside on the back yes you you can yeah push that in so that it is always be there sorry i think it is a nice idea to make it more recognizable that the next to the logo you have the slogan yeah yeah i agree to make more of an impression but not too big just yeah not too big no very small not on the entire back but just very small but readable enough of course okay yes slogan from but we will we will take that with us into the design company yeah i think over here the logo lo yeah on the back or maybe here in the middle but we will decide later with logo and logo also on the front but not exchange when changing fronts alright that is decided do you do you see a bit of the of the 5 minutes left of the titanium 0 on the front maybe if we make this this this lower part titanium the front is the the upper part and the the bit with the with the l c d screen yes we could so so a bit of titanium between yeah yeah no no betwe of between we can do but but then you have 2 parts of front 2 fronts that that is a bit 0 that that is that is pretty cool no they have 2 fronts that no no no no you have to make this titanium too you you can yeah no yeah this enti entire bottom else you you get problems with the l c d yeah yeah yes like dust in it and so things like that yeah when you exchange all the fronts and it is open i already have all kinds of no you can you can just and then not a straight line but some sort of wave or something filth between the mobile and then the lower part is titanium this is titanium i think that is nice yeah yeah and this is some some kind of wei weight in it yeah yeah round forms f front yeah i like that bit of titanium also on the yeah yeah with the with the curved edge yep a bit like a bit like your mobile phone maybe you can show it yeah it also has the those 2 distinct yeah tada bit like this yeah yeah yeah you can make it go it is round this corner too where the logo is because it has to be there all the time you know what yeah yeah ah that yeah so round where so a little corner of titanium maybe a nice touch yeah yeah that is nice finishing touch you need 0 yeah yes that also sounds pretty neat so this this is the exchangeable part i think i am going to buy it we want it yeah this is the front and it is only f €25 come on this is the that is a bit too much but no no no no but i think this looks pretty nice actually no that is nothing the phillips remote costs more of course because it is my design but no our d our design alright right my design taking all the credit well you 2 are going to work together you will get your specifications on your laptop and then you yeah we will stay here i guess but there is a problem we can not take a blank one or can we well i think we can i just it is well we can erase an animal i guess yeah the 4th one nah that is alright that is alright but do not erase my cat yeah 0 the 4th one is empty is not it yeah 0 i want to preserve it this one is empty yeah you have to empty one huh 0 we have a one what are you doing chief so you can draw a yeah alright yeah i think we have to wait yeah until the until the beep goes well i will get a i will get the message no but i do not do we have to stay here or i think we have to return 1st no i think well you will maybe you can keep your laptop here yeah maybe or get your mouse because it is little bit hard to work with these plates the high powers from above will have to tell us yeah yeah it is not relaxing i always have a mouse next to my laptop i hate these i i do not have a laptop yeah touch pads yeah ugh we can do a touch pad on our remote yeah right no just kidding yeah dream on well we have b you have to have a bit of humor in the in the discussions too because it becomes too too too too stressy and in your remote control so we put a touch pad on it and say ha ha aha half this has no function yeah we know you will you will you will hate it but but th youth does not care about functio functionality so no but they do want some gadgets it is all about cool things so that is wha what we are doing yeah and it will sell we will be rich bless you well we will not our bosses will be rich we have done too much in the previous meetings too much yes we have got nothing to do now well they well that is not bad is it no i think that is good we all had our talk and we agree i guess on several thing on most on things its the best remote ever so pinball 0 0 he is totally off again well no man you just have to push harder yeah you have to push harder but when i start here yeah it is here so is it yes but you you get really close to the screen with your hand and i do not think that is recalibrate it nope where is the good old chalk board with the yeah the green board with the how do you call it chalk yeah we can better draw a design on this yeah maybe yeah but we can not maybe if i if that thing is recalibrated we can draw a thing quick and then before it yeah goes off again let us go well finish meeting now finish the meeting now alright now we know what to do so we will stay here yeah 0 or we will get the email message maybe w maybe we maybe w m can we get email here no get away huh yeah yeah guess so i i am not sure maybe you yeah well you will have to work on this one well we will wait a few seconds and then we will get an email yeah that is a good idea alright have fun lads well yeah a happy hol happy holidays good luck" ]

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look at your presentations all right walter will start again yeah great right trend watch okay right i will speak about the latest trends trends latest trends latest fans latest fashion updates and things we must not do the trends it is very important that the control is fancy looking and good feeling this because of our last model was very functional but people did not like that so our new model must be very good looking that is something you have to take a look at and the feeling has to be very great very great also the menus and things like that they have to feel great there is -2 times here because this is the most important point this is 2 times less important and same for this one technological technological innovations that is regarded very highly too such as an lcd screen speech acknowledgement as we talked about earlier so we have to have something like that like we lcd and our fronts right the last point is easy to use well i think that speaks for itself i do not know who is going to look at that easy to use yeah easy to use is a bit contradictory with the 1st functional is not an issue yeah i know easy to use well we have to choose one of them i think we have to go for the 1st one it is the most important one so we have to take that one okay so it is not very important that it works easy it has to look great it can be easy to use yeah well we will look at the we will see yeah yeah you can make a very complicated remote anyway so easy to use it is not a very complicated device the most important thing is that it is a very complicated device looks great and people say from wow that is a real great great concept all right these are the new colors of this year so it must be very bright very colorful people like this so we we have to think in this direction so set your mind to it findings fashion update fruit and vegetables are cool i am told are targeting is very pleased with fruit and vegetables so we might consider in front of in that sort of way furthermore material that is your part should be very strong i was thinking of something like well iron plate over it maybe in a color or something that looks really flashy but it is also strong and that is also for the younger public well the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends every year this year it is fruits but next year it is something totally different but i think we can all make the fronts of titanium or something really thin so it looks very heavy but you can still use it very easily yeah all right well the don ts older people like dark colors and simple shapes well we do not want older people we want young people so we are going to turn that around turn that around we are going to have real cool shapes and lots of colors right wood is popular we do not want wood yeah among the old people so that is it for me all right nice well ties show us right right i am going to tell you something about components design again i have put up the specification properties so the different components of the device and the materials i have heard several things so i will have to change that on the way but the case i suggested in the previous meeting hard plastic but as you indicated it should be strong it should feel strong maybe plastic is not sufficient we should move to something it is but it does not look strong so maybe well yeah hard plastic is of course pretty pretty tough but it does not have a really really tough look but we still have to look at our price of course yeah also yeah everyone wants an lcd window etc but we will return to that the buttons of course rubber i think everyone agrees electrical cables copper is all pretty basic stuff the chip made of silicon i guess i think that is the best way to do it the way to do it and infrared lead is just a simple bulb then i have had a few findings made a few findings the target audience product style it is generally the case that the senior and wealthy people above 45 years old like as you said particularly the traditional materials such as wood and materials such as that they also like straightforward shapes and looks luxurious style but of course that is not our things so this is things we must not do and then we have young and dynamic people which is of course our group the people we aim at under 45 years old they like soft materials with primary colors soft materials is of course again a bit of contradiction with our material choice of what you said that it should be hard and strong looking but they like soft materials so we have to consider that and also they like curved round shapes so not to formal like like the older people want and if also finding but not very applicable here that sports and gaming devices such as disk mends for jogging and those kinds of devices game devices should define the characteristics of the device but since we do not have have really a sports or gaming device so we do not really have to consider that sports there are that the i access one on your lcd window that is nice i also have we keep coming back to the fronts several examples of you can get a clear picture of what i mean these are the basic other other people is stuff yeah it is not very interesting very classical looking but that is not what we want we have these kind of things i do not know what exactly they are it looks like well you know you recognize the shapes it is very primary colors bright colors round shapes you also see this device it is very round and fruity fruity of course it is terrible that is true all right and well round shapes primary colors you can see it all here and of course this famous device i guess you know something so to give you an idea of strong look this this has a strong look although it is plastic it is it is gray to give the iron look and it is round it is you are losing your fruity colors yeah well we have to make it 0 you can make that middle ring can you you can make another color that is true so well we can really make a round around around remote control i do not think that is very practical no it is not but it is important to think about the color because if you make the gray or silvery looking it does make it a lot more it does make it looking a lot more stronger because if you look at this it does not look very very strong but this is plastic but it does not have to look strong the results are the feel of the material is expected to be strong the feel the feel right well if you it does not have to be strong well the feel maybe you should have some colored titanium or something so it looks fruity but it feels strong right i agree then i have some more findings about the energy source of the device i suggest the basic battery i got some other energy sources of course but solar energy is not very practical inside the house because you do not have a lot of sun and kinetic and dynamos are not very practical i think for a simple remote that is a bit no titanium that is a bit much and i also suggest as a shape a double curved case the disadvantages of that that you can use no titanium that is the information i received if you use the curved case a curved case double curved then you can not what do you exactly mean with double curved now this to give it a more modern look now the shape yeah just a curved case yeah i think a sort of triangle shaped bottom or something in any of all a more modern look not plain long book style but double curved i do not know i will draw it but maybe later and it makes it gives it the more you are friendly shape than if you have a but good anyway for the buttons simple push buttons no other way no difficult scroll things or something things like that because it makes more complex and expensive and as we agreed we do not use a speaker or a sensor or speech control device because it makes it also more complex and expensive but we do use an sd screen so we do have to consider we have to use more advanced which is more complex and expensive but it is worth the trouble i think the bucas can be made of a soft material because people like that a rubber is a soft material i guess yeah right soft enough so that is basically what i want to talk about okay we will take that and then mike okay well now the method we will include the buttons as we discussed earlier and also this screen will be implemented we must decide where this meeting there are new developments in sports developments in speech recognition systems and they are already being used on coffee machines and well they are cheap so we could use them yeah it is interesting it is not really speech recognition it is more like you can talk to the chip record a message and record an answer and then once you talk to the remote then he will answer with the pre recorded message that you left so we can say hi mic and you have recorded high mic back then you will get that but you can also say that when you say something it does some function it does not do anything that makes it cheap it is just an extra function it has no functionality power removed at all but that is the gadgets they want yeah right but it is nice for young people they like it you should really include that one i think if it is team yeah well as i said earlier i think the lcd screens should be the positions at the lower end of the remote the buttons for screen width and channel settings and that is the thing and that is kind of stuff we can also do that kind of functions be shown in the lcd screen so you put a menu in your extra buttons i think young people and yeah well every user would like that the buttons should be positioned positioned the same way as they are on well conventional remotes i think for the learnability and well to keep it recognizable a voice recognition can be implemented and i just i do an example but it did not work quite the way i want to do can you draw it now i can draw it again and i know what i did wrong i did not tick the note box in the door how do you give input to the menu on the lcd screen with the up and down and all right so you have a menu button and then you can go i will draw what i have on the screen an ok button yeah right i shall do with the button if it works just there is already a blank yes yeah so long you have to do 0 no you have to push hard you have to push hard i suggest a banana shape because of the fruity fashion no yellow next year that is out yeah all right just a hunch well these little buttons are a bit difficult to draw those are the channel buttons of course yeah just the numbers and then below is the lcd screen these will be bigger in the real design this must be the okay button used to interact with the lcd screen and with this you can go through the menus and you have a video button should be a part button because you want to use it fast within one click and what is the menu button you need the speaker for the this button can also be the menu button we use in the menu we can have another the menu again yeah maybe i you could by pressing the menu button again by pressing the menu button again you go out it is usual the kind of well the way because when you push menu you get in and then you have to push okay when you get to a choice yeah but you can menu you can press menu again to get out well that is also the okay button that is no no you should have a extra menu button and this or you can put in the lcd window and get out exit exit i want you have an extra menu button you do not need that that extra option well but we need a recording recording button for the speech part and why i am if we decide to to implement that why would you put it then and where is the recording the microphone where would you put it that could be anywhere that is very small it could be down here huh well not here i suggest here but that is just a little right the speaker at the back or something well the speaker in the microphone i think are the same little whole thing yeah i understand but we could do what it is perhaps more expensive the speaker on the back or something they are already being implemented in coffee machines so they will not be very expensive alright this is my suggested design okay let us have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make and 0 i think as you can see so the lcd screen does look better at the lower end i agree yeah fine fine move on 0 yeah yeah 0 i had some examples i can live with it yes i did not like him very much well these are quite obvious very ugly remote they do not look fruity enough no they are not trendy they are all black yeah well not all hey that one i like this is for children but it does not look strong no but it does not with the colors it is a bit the way we are going to yeah right yeah well this is terrible terrible it is all too much it must not look too childish of course these are the lcd screens i think we should if it is possible one with colors but i do not know it is too expensive yeah all right yeah okay okay ah even more no but are you going for a strange form not very strange not too strange not too strange you can make it more round yeah a kind of bridge i do not know if you know the nokia telephone with the round thing at the bottom something like that you know well i have at home and remember have at home a remote if a bridge it is just a half round half circle and then it falls exactly over the hand and that is very nice that is that this feels comfortable yeah but people like something new exaltic yeah i will design it we design it later so we will get that later i go all right where did i put it there is a specific shape conceptual face i think this is it i got this from our friends so our sources yeah the conceptual design these are a few examples which we have to decide about all the materials from the case electric cable that is all your side of the story your bag yeah now from the user interface your package where in the world that is more like the buttons where they have to come and a bit of well a bit of design yeah this is what we have just done but we should decide about these now yeah material so at most important the trend watching so as you said frutji is in net well polaris sells good wow so we have to put it in one document yes so if we copy based this story into a word documented and put the answers after the subjects yeah not everything we have to decide everything yeah but all these examples are of a coffee machine yeah well why can override them yeah well well case that is me i suggest well what do i just actually what kind of properties should it have well we just listened i think solid yeah yeah why do not we use titanium or hard yeah some kind of metal for the you know the remote except the front just like yeah i understand yeah so we have titanium the front is the most important yeah but the non remove moveable elements of the remote so not the front could be titanium to give that strong look and then the front is made of plastic and you can put that on and off and switch it yeah but the feel of plastic is not strong no but you have titanium of course you have the best of both worlds okay and you have to do a remote in your hand like this so you feel titanium and of course yeah you have the plastic front the plastic front end but you also have the front are cheaper than yeah of course but yeah you have to make and i do not know if you can make steel just any way you wanted to yeah but it is expensive i guess so titanium i think bendable well well any color according to my source it is it is totally possible to make an entire titanium is available and we can make an entire remote out of it if you want yeah then you paint it in the color you want yeah the plastic is the color you want yeah all right so we are going for a titanium back and a plastic front yeah i think that is a nice plastic front okay well i am going to put it in here because we can yeah good solid feel trendy look cell material so material hard plastic yeah for the front and titanium for the back for the non removable part but then you have the problem when you have a titanium back you can not switch it when you want a other color on the front it does not match well but well titanium is neutral titanium is not very yeah it does not curse no i the name is very no no no but you know that name is a very basic color and it does not really matter if you have a purple front on it or orange front i do not know if you disagree but i think it does not matter very much and even if it does not match i mean people like the customers all right the electrical cable is just normal corp copper beans con he has been that is all of the on the thing excuse me excuse me the electrical cable it is a copper just our coffee we do not use them in electrical cable no inside but this is for the coffee machine yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of that is not what is meant here no 0 well yeah so external 0 external well we do we do not coffee grind does not have no yeah never mind the coffee ground well all the all the inside work of our remit is standard work so the chip is normal silicon the buttons are normal etc okay so that is just easy we decide about that just by looking at our competitors and our earlier remote the conceptual specification of the user interface well we have our beautiful drawing i have got a better one here and i will all right well you can put that into the shared folder and then i will put it in our end report i will work this out for the next meeting you can put some which button is what yeah yeah okay the trend watching pottery sells good these days and what do we we think that fruit and bright colors are yeah the i think we can launch a couple of packages you can buy a different kind of machine but it is the same thing with another front yes you can also implement you can also implement fronts from movies that are very hot right that is for later on these fronts you can do anything with yeah yeah but if you if you launch 5 different packages like ipod mini for the initiative yeah for the launch yeah it is good marketing a couple of basic colors not very yeah not too easy you can always take another pick yeah we should not give them the most lovely front they have to buy it later on come on more basic we still have to make those 50000000 very boring yeah the most boring funds possible the most ugly experiment with it and that they want more you can have some basic you can have some basic colors and then we come with special patterns on the red red blue and green you give them or something and you can give them in an other ones well the buttons etc we get from mike this fruit and bright colors yeah well i think we will have to in the next half an hour we have to specify the different types we want to launch when we well we have to do our remote we have still have to make the real basic design because now we have the we have the sketch we must remember that fancy look and feel is the most important thing yes also it will not so all right yeah well i will have to before i get another warning from 5 minutes i am going to get where is my mouse where my mouth i lost my mouth 0 yeah this is it unbelievable well this we have basic stuff interface we have supplements lcd maybe a cheap voice recording well we should be that yes all right individual actions we all agree on that agree on that industry designer ties use interface mike you are going to work together on a prototype drawing on the smart board we can do that together together together or yeah yeah well we will get it to hear that i think but i think so there is smart you can take the smart board this is the smart board so and take it to our rooms and so you can you you are going to make a prototype and you well that is includes specifying the buttons etc yeah so you will get it on your email in your laptop well you will go and do something else project so so okay you know what are you going to do i do not know what product evaluation exactly means but you get the specifications we do not have product yet so yeah that is why i yeah kind of difficult but you are fired no how long do we still have well can we talk with something else yeah so now i do not know i think but yeah yeah yeah we use round buttons or square ones for the round i think to make it as round as possible and these these these buttons why is a more triangular yeah so you can see you have to yeah but now i see the this must be volume i think in this program most of the time up and down is program and left and right are volume i should think well that depends it depends yeah well we volume you all see this we will just get it will design it and that they can give comments on it yes it does not work anymore we can save them so we will just have them yeah i know this you can click the corner no it is a bit so really really we still have more than 5 minutes so what are we going to do i have a clue that is dark the design 0 we can decide how we implement the feeling from our company into the remote well yeah i think a logo our company logo and the slogan should be or could be yeah why not if there is enough space then you can put the wheel i would say only the logo yeah me too too much text and well our slogan is not not very long just a simple what is the fashion in electronics phrase we put the fashion in electronics we keep adjusting to the fashion with our fronts so but you can put it on the back on the titanium part the logo and the yeah the logo should be the logo i think on the top yeah how they do well yeah right top corner and well right corner or can put maybe here in the middle at the bottom you can put the logo with the text yeah but the logo should not be exchangeable when you get it should be a hard on the board and you can the logo can be on every you can scratch it off or something it is better if you have it yeah but then you must have really carved into the material push it in or so now you you can carve it into the titanium at the back i like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the thing but am i the only one or well management who like it not on the front side i think the front side no but on the back side yes you can push it in so that is always a nice idea to make us more recognizable that the next to the logo you have the slogan i agree to make more but not too big just not too big no very small not on the entire back but just very small but readable now of course okay but we will take that with us into the design over here the logo yeah or maybe here in the middle what we will decide later with logo and logo also on the front but not ex change so we are going to be yeah when changing fronts all right do you see a bit of the 5 minutes left of the titanium on the front maybe if we make this lower part titanium the front is the upper part and the bit with the lcd screen so a bit of titanium between between yeah now between that is pretty cool but then you have 2 parts of 2 parts of yeah yeah this entire you get problems with the lcd yes like dust in it and things like that when you exchange all the fronts and it is all yeah i already have all kinds of and then not a straight line mobile some sort of weight and then the lower part of titanium this is titanium i think that is nice some kind of way yeah yeah round form yeah i like that a bit of the team also on the yeah a bit like your mobile phone maybe you can show it it also has the those distinct a bit like this yeah you can make it go around this corner too where the logo is because it has to be there all the time yeah yeah that yeah a little corner titanium 0 yeah it is all that sounds pretty yeah so this i think i am going to buy it we want this is the front and it is only €25 come on no it is nothing no no no but the phillips remote costs more of course because it is my design our our time well you 2 are going to her together you get your specifications on your laptop and then we will stay here i guess but there is a problem we can not take a blank one or can we well i think we can i just put it well we can erase an animal i guess yeah yeah that is right but do not erase my cat yeah the 4th one is empty 0 i want to preserve it this one is empty you have the empty one now we have a pretty empty one what are you doing chief so you can draw yeah i think we have to wait i will get the message but i do not do we have to stay here or i think we have to be on 1st well maybe you can keep your laptop here maybe or get your mouse because it is the high power from above hard to work with these plates we have to talk it is not relaxing i always have a mouse next to my laptop i hate these i do not have a mouse touch pads yeah we can do a touchpad on our remote just kidding 0 you have a you have to have a bit of humor in the in the discussions too because it becomes too and in your remote control so we put a touchpad on it and say ha ha this has no function we know you you hate it but but the youth does not care about functionality no but they do want some gadgets it is all about cool that is what we are doing and it will sell we will be rich bless you well we will not our bosses will be rich we have done too much in the previous meetings too much yes we have got nothing to do now well that is not bad is not it no i think that is good we all had our talk and we agree i guess on several things on most things it is the best remote error so 0 he is here he is totally off again well no man you just have to push harder yeah you have to push harder but when i start here it is here you get really close to the screen with your hand and i do not think it is recalibrated where is the good old chalkboard with the yeah the green board with the how do you call it you can better draw our design on this yeah maybe yeah but we can not maybe if that thing is recalibrated we can draw a thing quick and then before it goes off again well finished meeting now finish the meeting now alright now we know what to do so we will stay here yeah maybe you know get away can we get me a meal yeah i am not sure maybe you are yeah well you have to vote a few seconds yeah that is a good idea all right have fun lads happy holiday do not do too little 0 man make us a nice design going to relax i think we have to design here or maybe this room is only for discussions but how can we cooperate if we do you have to come with the well it is a little off again and also do we have to either industry designer and the designer and we have to design now together the yeah here and you would you be here talking yeah they stay here and we are here all right exactly good good luck alright you who draws you draw the main design so i am the better artist i guess that is true of course i really like this yeah i really like this yeah i think we have to put somewhere also there is i think we have to put somewhere also there away so we can decide things for ourselves mike and thais and co and company get into your room maybe that is not very fair i have no question no come me thank you" ]

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[ "okay right okay alright is everyone here yep yep okay this is our conceptual design meeting and i will just take a few minutes and go through the previous minutes then each of you will have your presentation and then we will need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control and then we will have 40 minutes for finishing up i will go through the mee through the minutes 1st we just refreshed our our goal of making the finest remote control available we decided that or we know that we need to use company colors company logo and our marketing expert gave us some i information from interviews with a 100 different remote users with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before people thought their remotes were ugly that remotes zap a lot they only use a finite amount of buttons and that they often lose the it is easy to lose a remote which were all things we were thinking we would want to make it simple and some sort of locator either a button or tracking device and that it should look different than what is out there kind of mixed mixed response on the speech recognition the younger people said they wanted it older people did not i think we decided that the expense was not necessarily worth it and that it was probably a gimmick that would increasingly wear on the consumers nerves then the user interface designer explored some of the technical functions of the remote the simple versus the the complex the simple one being better for a user the complex better for an engineer and some personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user oriented remote something simple and that we did not want to go with a universal remote because increasing cost and increasing complexity we would just have a t v remote and that we should also focus on the appearance of the remote have it s be something that looks different and finally our industrial designer gave us a rundown of how the remote will work from energy source what we would use batteries because we do not want to have a a cable how that would power the remote and the lamp if we were to to have one the user interface then would connect to a chip which would work with the infrared controls to send the signal to the t v i believe then we came up with a couple of ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be something that will fit into easily into someone is hand and with a just a few buttons just the basics and with a scrolling function also okay and i will leave that leave it at that so marketing okay we are watching trends yep can i have your cable please i suppose that you can have this thanks okay so i was looking at trend watching unfortunately i was not given too much information i was given a brief executive summary and then an update on some recent fashion trends that we might like to look at and then i will just tell you some personal preferences that i got from that okay the most important finding was that the fancy look and feel seems to be twice as important to the users as the current functional look and feel design which i think we have kind of already discussed before the 2nd most important finding was that the remote should be technologically innovative and again these are all things we have kind of already come up with on our own but this just backs it up and thirdly the remote would be easy to use as far as fashion update we have learned that fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for cloths shoes and furniture so that might be a bit of a challenge to incorporate this into our remote but we can try and also as opposed to last year this year the material is expected to be spongy in feel okay so from that as we have already said we need to focus on a fancy look and feel i think we have already discovered that it is kind of hard to go away from the traditional rectangular design but i think that even if it is very subtle we need to kind of trick our consumers so they at least get the idea that they are getting something that is new and modern and sleek and whether it is through the shape or the colors or all of that for technologically innovative we have talked about the tracking device we brought up the idea of having 2 pieces which we could discuss further and manuel had suggested the energy source and the user interface discussing some of those that we could change a little bit we need to keep it simple have limited buttons which i think the 2 piece idea might be really beneficial for we need to incorporate this fashion trend of fruits and vegetables i do not know i mean i guess the 2 options are if we had our remote in the shape of a fruit or vegetable a banana shape 0 it was sort of banana shaped yeah yeah right or with exterior designs but my question is i mean the stereotypically speaking you kind of picture males with their remote controls and i am not sure how they would feel about having fruity logos on the outside so maybe we could have something that is somewhat removable or i do not know different options for female male target groups and then the spongy feel i guess we could look at mobile phones and other technology that is out there c and look at different types of material that might please our users who want spongy feeling remote controls so that is that so possibly like a sorry just to butt in for a 2nd alright possibly like a cover like they have for mobile phones that is what i was thinking yeah those like yeah sort of spongy ones you have one with a flag and one with a banana and one that is a spongy yeah so when you buy your remote you can buy feel to it you can various coverings various covers what is it called cust you personalized yeah personalize your remote we could leave that to the cover department yeah we all know they have got nothing to do all day okay why can not i see the crazy yeah i talking about the interface concept and how the customer relates to will use the consumer will use the actual device so i have looked at some of the stuff i was sent try and get some inspiration but keep in mind that our own ideas that we had i was sent some information from the company saying that they the technology department have devised a new speech recognition technology where you can program questions into such devices they gave an example of a coffee machine where you program a question you program the answer and the machine responds accordingly okay there is different ways of a user can use products l like a remote there is a graphical use where you you look at pictures and well on a screen a command line where you obviously type things in and you get a response and then it ju that is just to point out the sort of inconsistent u sort of use of interface in remotes you can not really see that picture well but there is various different remotes once again with lots of different buttons on making it more complicated so then i had a look at new products that are on the market not necessarily remote controls but ones that you will recognize this is the voice there is a voice recognition remote control which can control mus multiple devices i have a there is a picture you surf your favorite channels with your voice store up to 80 speech samples controls 4 devices t v cable satellite v c r d v d and audio and you can record your own v verbal labels that are connected to remote control functions so the technology is there the one on the left is very similar to what we drew up on the board in the previous meeting where there has scroll down functions on the side you can sort of just make those out and then on the right is obviously an ipod which is you know possibly one of the simplest things to use out there and really is and all that is is just a a nice big scroll menu that y you sort of go through that is a possibility and nothing is simpler really then there is things like this which is a a a kid is remote where the the parents have the facility to control and program what children can watch before so the remote control it 0 only allows them to access the channels that their parents want them to watch and it means that th children have a novelty of having their own remote control so i do not know if there is a possibility of having one remote contr you know like we just had 2 components maybe it can have more components you know different remotes the point made at the end there here is that you have to be sort of be need to be clear on your devices as to what you know things you use sometimes an arrow pointing down which may suggest volume down could become confused just as a v for volume just little things like that which would need to be made clear in the design i think d carrying on from what i have already said a user friendly remote with minimum buttons maybe we have so suggested this 2 part thing where if it was to have a speech recognition thing you could maybe control that on the do it or program all that on the control bit and then just have the simple sort of hand held thing that we sort of devised earlier as the actual remote i do not it could be a graphical display the actual remote contr the actual control port maybe could have like an ipod where you just sort of control through the menus stuff like gets more and more compli complicated and then the the hand held bit should be ergonomically designed and that is it why am i 0 yeah just where are we just to sort of show you m they have even got things like that huge things which is just for your gr 90 year old grandma yeah that is industrial design for cranes stuff like that yeah yeah notice the giant dog bone shape dunno and that yeah makes sense makes sense also good for animals yeah see things why is my screen crazy well let us see i am going to bore you with a couple of descriptions of the interior just to to make it more obvious what we have to fit in there and that we do have to fit the stuff in there i have more information on possible materials as well what we can and cannot do but let us just wait for this to load up and i will show you what we are talking about here okay the details of the components design as you can see there what we have is the board main board of the remote control the underside that is pretty cheap piece of of technology really top left side you can see the chip which is the what we were talking about this was is the device to recognize the signals the input and it passes it on to a row of further transistors and stuff like that on the right side that actually amplify the signal which later on is being is being transferred to a infrared lamp which then of course shines infrared light onto the television which then will recognize what signal it is getting and will do what you tell it so much for the the workings of the of the remote control itself its job is to wait for you to press a key then to translate that key press into infrared light signals that are received by the television when you press a key you complete a specific connection the chip senses the connection and knows what button you pressed it produces a morse code line signal specific to that button right pretty clear transistor amplifies the signal and then sends the m sends the signal to the l e d which translates the signal into infrared light the sensor in the t v can see the infrared light and seeing the signal reacts appropriately this is the circuit board from the other side the lower part of it i do not know if you can see that properly with the green greenish board is is what we what we saw in the 1st the 1st slide just flipped over you can see the circuit board itself that is the cheapest way to make electronic connections basically on the market what you do is you have do not have cables but you have the connections actually in these in these lines on the on the board these are the actual keys that are being pressed they close the electric circuit that then sends the signal to the chip on the other side that would be behind here which sends it over to the transistors and all that stuff that amplify the signal and all that is being sent to the infrared lamp up there now as you can see this is the the rubber button version of it the way it works is that you have the keys here the rubber button has a little metal plate on the other side which closes the circuit here and thus gives on the signal now this is the simple version we are talking this this the simple and cheapest version at the same time we are talking something more complicated of course it is going to be more expensive as well and not only that we are also restricted in the use of our outer shell or in the material that we could use for our outer shell i have gotten some information that we could use for the case material plastic rubber as well rubber that is used in these anti stress balls so it is pretty squishy spongy that would that would serve that purpose we could also use wood or titanium what is the approximate per 100000 for the titanium 0 fya i do not have an information on that however our company obviously can provide us with with the titanium so i assume i am i was given an okay to use it it certainly is an expensive material i am aware of that but i was given an okay but there are certain restrictions to certain materials now let us 1st go through the list with the materials so we what we can use is plastic rubber wood and titanium can also mix these as for the energy source we were talking about that shortly in the other meeting what we could use is or what i was offered or what we could use is a basic bateer battery right a dynamo interestingly enough we could use solar cells or a device that was not n not further specified that provides kinetic energy such as like watches you know where you just move them m move the the actual device and this pr provides it with with some energy so obviously i personally have to say that dynamo is out of the question really you do not want to wind up your remote control before you can use it right solar cell is interesting may fail though every here and there would you have to leave it by the window yeah yeah or you know you lose it it lies behind the couch for a week and yeah yeah always the you works well in arizona but in edinburgh not so but exactly y probably not yeah yeah the kinetic energy thing might work but the same problem you leave it lying around and you 1st have to shake it before it it starts to work so i would say what we are stuck with really is the basic battery which also makes a base station basically obsolete we do not need that then however our interface options are push buttons in which in the production of which or in manufacture of which our company is expert however we have discussed that scroll wheels are a better option and they are possible we have an okay for scroll wheels okay however when it comes to the scroll wheel of the ipod i have one big objection and that is that we have to fit an l c d into the remote control as well this however may exclude certain materials if you have a squishy kind of remote control then an l c d screen may be affected by the movement hence we might not be able to put it in there so there is also restrictions to when it comes to the chip if we have a more sophistic sophisticated scroll wheel rather than this very basic set up that we that i have just presented the chip has to be more s more sophisticated and thus more expensive as well i do not have any details to when it comes to the cost but it will be a significant difference i would rather say drop the titanium and therefore let us have a more sophisticated chip but that is not up to me to decide really so that is for the for the scroll wheel it limits our choice and squishy is hip so i would say rather not go for for that let us see now solar cells cannot be used on a curved or latex surface or remote control but obviously that is not our problem since we have decided or against solar cells i assume right or is anybody still alright yeah no i think i think batteries are probably the way to go no alright yeah which makes it very conventional but therefore traditional i assume with the titanium we cannot make it a curved design we would just be able to make it flat and and yeah a straight design pretty much which i assume would exclude some of the more sophisticated versions would the sort of spongy and the the plasticky thing y you can get those mobile phones that initially have a it is plastic but then they have sort of a a s a cover on it which is just sort of soft and stuff like a covering yeah so i do not know if that would still be possible to have you know in plastic but then where do people hold it just all be sort of spongy yeah the we can have the fruits and vegetables on the spongy parts so they can remove it so you as the the possibility of having a a graphical display on it like a screen like the ipod you can have an l c d screen but therefore no rubber will be used right alright so plastic yes titanium yes but this will of course influence the form with plastic as i understand it you can use any form latex is tricky or rubber and and titanium also seems to be tricky when it comes to the form so the way to go is if you want a scroll wheel you either make it flat and angular add an l c d screen and then you can basically choose either plastic or titanium yeah or wood even if you want to make it a particular shape use plastic add an l c d screen add a scroll wheel that will be fine yeah or make it just push buttons basically plastic gives you the b biggest variety of of options maybe not the nicest feel or not much originality really so the ru wait the rubbery we can shape it however we want or the rubbery we cannot with rubber we could sh pretty much shape it the way we wanted it but we cannot add scroll wheels and we cannot add an l c d screen kay that is the tricky thing could we not you know have a shape with a scroll and the screen and then j just sort of that initial shape we had just which is sort of banana esque so that is thing if we did it yellow yeah and you know you just p stick on just sort of rubber things that that sort of grip the thumb bit they would not have any they are just on the exterior they would not be necessary to the actual shape of the thing is that an option a plastic shell with a rubbery coating on at certain spots s certainly can be done yes yeah if that does not affect the functional side of it all yeah like say just the underside or so then it can be done i assume yeah so the fruit design how about affecting the surface of the actual remote control say we do not make it p a particular fruit shape obviously but give it like the surface of an orange banana whatever you name it what about a smell just design wise t to the remote nice one you could just sell it in different colors as well i suppose in different ye yellows bright citrus colors yeah i do not suppose we have to stick to co well we we are supposed to stick to the company colors though that is yellow and gray stick to the colors yeah 0 yeah yellow and gray yellow and gray so what have we lemon banana is grapefruit grapefruit grapefruit is what we would go for when it comes to the outer appearance perhaps but i would say if i were to make a decision i would probably put the fruit aspect at the lower lower end of the spectrum of of importance yeah i think having a shape could be a little ridiculous like yeah well we have it banana shaped already kind of well we kinda do yeah yeah so well perhaps the implied shape will be enough to lure that fruit minded remote buyer yeah and if it is yellow and if it if it was done yellow which is a company color right it is it is yellow i it is yellow it is curved gray buttons yeah well so why not add a couple of gray stripes and make it look like a banana it is sort of couple of couple of gray stripes yeah we could put the gray stripes on the bottom so that that person could turn it over on the the gr the rubbery grips could be gray it would look like a banana just sitting on their table yeah there you go rather than rather th it could and then you could actually h put the banana shaped thing on the fruit bowl 0 on the coffee table and then people would always know where it was maybe the holder if we were to have a holder it could be shaped like a fruit nice could look like a fruit bowl it could be an ape could be it could be an ape or a fruit bowl yeah hey we could have a variety of options here yeah kay yeah do you have more to your presentation that is pretty much it i informed you about the materials what the interior has to look like and what the limitations to certain materials are on there you go 0 okay i am going to plug in here real quick sure if i could hang on there you go like i said we have to make a decision on a couple of these items here ow ow so is the 2 piece idea out or have we not decided well we sort of rid of that because going to use a battery and the base station might not be necessary 0 right okay well we can still design a 2 piece remote without having a base having one of them be a base station yeah yeah but just have it be an optional either big remote with lots of functions or you take out the smaller piece we can still do that however of course this would be like designing 2 remotes pretty much so which then as i understand it would probably limit the limit again the the the use of certain materials because they would be too expensive say like have a scroll wheel and on both of them or have an l c d screen and so on so on you would probably have to stick rather with a just traditional rubber button design which we saw there but could be done of course okay so these are the decisions that we do need to make by the end of this meeting for our components concept we need to come up with the energy source the chip on print and the case probably case material and probably a shape also and then for the user interface concept we need to decide what the tape what what the type is and what kind of supplements we will have energy source i think we have i think we have decided batteries although not exciting are probably our best bet right and we have 5 minutes okay when it comes to the chip on print as i said the the more advanced features you want the fancier the chip has to be and the more expensive if you want just a normal button version the chip on print is going to be a cheap one right kay so i guess we should pick the case then if we go with the plasticky case or the the plastic case then the chip on print is still kind of we could have either or we could have a complex one or a a non complex yeah but did we decide that the rubbery feel was important enough to us well what about what you said like putting the just just maybe yeah finger grips just on top of the plastic just a little bit of okay so we would we would have the l c d screen as long as the pla the rubber is nowhere near the controls yes kay so i guess the case would be plastic with perhaps that is not even enough rubber to qualify as being part of it it is more of a su it is more of a supplement maybe yeah yeah m more of a l lamination perhaps yeah so then for the scroll are we going for the ipod type yeah i think so yeah i think okay which will require a more expensive chip on print right yes it does kay so i guess that is that is that about it so we have a good idea of what we are going to need to to do on this right okay so we will have another meeting in 30 minutes here is what is going to be going on ryan you will be working on the user interface design manuel you will be working on the look and feel design right corrine we will want a product evaluation and the 2 of you get to play with the modeling components and maybe and and get us a prototype which should go along well with your look and feel design and your interface so that basically just be working on the prototype we will accomplish your other 2 actions alright okay 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[ "i am sorry okay okay all right is everyone here yeah okay this is our conceptual design meeting i will just take a few minutes and go through the previous minutes then each of you will have your presentation and then we will need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control and then we will have 40 minutes for finishing up and we will go through the minutes 1st we just refreshed our our goal of making the finest remote control available we decided that or we know that we need to use company colors company logo and our marketing expert gave us some information from interviews with 100 different remote users with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before people thought the remotes were ugly that remotes zap a lot they only use a finite amount of buttons and that they often lose that is easy to lose remote which were all things we were thinking we would want to make it simple and some sort of locator there is a button or tracking device and that it should look different than what is out there kind of mixed response on the speech recognition the younger people said they wanted it older people did not i think we decided that the expense was not necessarily worth it and that it was probably a gimmick that would increasingly wear on the consumer is nerves then the user interface designer explored some of the user interface designer explored some of the the technical functions of the remote the simple versus the complex the simple one being better for a user the complex better for an engineer and some personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user oriented remote something simple and that we did not want to go with a universal remote because increasing an increasing complexity we would just have a tv remote and that we should also focus on the appearance of the remote have it be something that looks different and finally our industrial designer gave us a rundown of how the remote will work from energy source what we would use batteries because we do not want to have a cable how that would power the remote and the lamp if we were to have one the user interface then would connect to a chip which would work with the infrared controls to send the signal to the tv i believe then we came up with with a couple ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be something that will fit into easily into someone is hand and with a just a few buttons just the basics and with a scrolling function okay and i will leave it at that so marketing we are watching trends yep can i have your i suppose that you can have this okay okay unfortunately i was not given too much information i was given a brief executive summary and then an update on some recent fashion trends that we might like to look at and then i will just tell you some personal preferences that i got from that okay the most important finding was that the fancy look and feel seems to be twice as important to the users as the current functional look and feel look and feel design which i think we have kind of already discussed before the 2nd most important finding was that the remote should be technologically innovative and again these are all things we have kind of already come up with on our own but this just backs it up and thirdly the remote should be easy to use as far as fashion update we have learned that fruits and vegetables will be the most important thing important theme for cloths shoes and furniture so that might be a bit of a challenge to incorporate this into our remote but we can try and also as opposed to last year this year the material is expected to be spongy and feel okay so from that as we have already said we need to focus on a fancy look and feel i think we have already discovered that it is kind of hard to go away from the traditional rectangular design but i think that even if it is very subtle we need to kind of trick our consumers so they at least get the idea that they are getting something that is new and modern and sleek and whether it is through the shape or the colors or all of that for technologically innovative we have talked about the tracking device we brought up the idea of having 2 pieces which we could discuss further and manuel had suggested the energy source and the user interface discussing some of those that we could change a little bit we need to keep it simple have limited buttons which i think the 2 piece idea might be really beneficial for we need to incorporate this fashion trend of fruits and vegetables i do not know i mean i guess the 2 options are if we had our remote in the shape of a fruit or vegetable a little banana shape yeah right or with exterior designs but my question is i mean stereotypically speaking you kind of picture males with their remote controls and i am not sure how they would feel about having fruity logos on the outside so maybe we could have something that is somewhat removable or i do not know different options for female and male target groups and then the spongy feel i guess we could look at mobile phones and other technology that is out there and look at different types of material that might please our users he wants spongy feeling remote controls that is that it is possibly like a sorry just to butt in for a 2nd possibly like a cover like the head for mobile phones that is what i was thinking yeah we have one with a flag and one with a banana and one that is a spongy feel to it when you buy your remote you can buy you can various coverings various covers personalize personalize yeah we could leave that to the cover department yeah we all know they have got nothing to do all day yeah i talk about the interface concept and how the customer relates to the consumer will use the consumer will use the actual device so i have looked at some of the stuff i have sent try and get some inspiration but keep in mind our own ideas that we had i was sent some information from the company saying that the technology department have devised a new speech recognition technology condition technology where you can program questions into such devices you gave an example of a coffee machine where you program a question you program the answer and the machine responds accordingly okay there is different ways of a user can use products like remote there is a graphical use where you look at pictures and with on a screen a command line where you obviously type things in and you get a response and that is just to point out the sort of inconsistent sort of use of interface in remotes you can not really see that picture well but there is various different remotes once again with lots of different buttons on making it more complicated so then i had a look at new products that are on the market not necessarily remote controls but ones that you will recognize this is the voice there is a voice recognition remote control which can control multiple devices there is a picture on it but it in serve your favorite channels with your voice stored up to 80 speech samples controls 4 devices tv cable satellite vcr dvd and audio and you can record your own verbal labels that are connected to remote control functions so the technology is there the one on the left is very similar to what we drew upon the the board in the previous meeting where it has scroll down functions on the side you can sort just make those out and then on the right is obviously an ipod which is you know possibly one of the simplest things to use out there and really is and all that is just a nice big scroll menu you sort of go through that is a possibility and nothing simpler really then there is things like this which is a kids remote where the parents have the facility to control and program what the children can watch before so the remote control only allows them to access the channels that the parents want them to watch and it means that the children have a novelty of having their own remote control so i do not know if there is a possibility of having one remote control you know like we just had 2 components maybe you can have more components you know different remotes the point made at the end there is that you just have to sort of need to be clear on your devices as to what you know things you use sometimes an arrow pointing down which may suggest volume down could be confused just as a v for volume just little things like that which would need to be made clear in the design i think carry on from what i have already said are usually friendly remote with minimum buttons maybe we have suggested this 2 part thing where if it was to have a speech recognition thing you maybe control that on the do all program all that on the control bit and then just have the simple sort of handheld thing that we sort of devised earlier as the actual remote i do not it could be graphical display the actual remote control the actual control port maybe could have like an ipa we just sort of control through the menus so that it gets more complicated and then the the handheld it should be ergonomically designed and that is it just just sort of show you and they have got things like that huge things which is just that like a 19 year old grandma industrial design yeah cranes stuff like that it makes sense notice the giant dog bone shape also good for animals yeah yeah no why that is good well let us see i am going to bore you with a couple of descriptions of the interior just to make it more obvious what we have to fit in there and that we do have to fit the stuff in there i have more information on possible materials as well what we can and cannot do but just wait for this to load up and i will show you what we are talking about here the details of the component is design as you can see there what we have is the board the main board of the remote control the underside it is a pretty cheap piece of technology in the top left side you can see the chip which is the we were talking about this is the device to recognize the signals the input and it passes it on to a row of for the transistors and stuff like that on the right side that actually amplified the signal which later on has been transferred to to a infrared lamp which then of course shines infrared light onto the television to recognize what signal it is getting and will do what you tell it so much for the workings of the remote control itself its job is to wait for you to press a key then to translate that key press into infrared light signals that are received by the television when you press a key you complete a specific connection the chip senses the connection knows what button you press it produces a morse code line signal specific to that button clear transistor amplifies the signal and then sends the signal to the led which translates the signal to infrared light the sensor in the tv can see the infrared light and seeing the signal reacts appropriately this is the circuit board from the other side the lower part of it i do not know if you can see that properly the greenish board is what we saw in the 1st slide just flipped over you can see the circuit board itself that is the cheapest way to make electronic connections basically on the market what you do is you do not have cables but you have the connections actually in these lines on the board these are the actual keys that are being pressed they close the electric circuit that then sends the signal to the chip on the other side that will be behind here which sends it over to the transistors and all that stuff it amplify the signal and all that is being sent to the infrared lamp up there now you can see this is the rubber button version of it the way it works is that you have the keys here the rubber button has a little metal plate on the other side which closes the circuit here and thus gives on the signal now this is the simple version we are talking the simple and cheapest version at the same time we are talking something more complicated of course it is going to be more expensive as well not only that we are also restricted in the use of our outer shell or in the material that we could use for our outer shell i have gotten some information that we could use for the case material plastic rubber as well rubber that is used in anti stress balls so it is pretty squishy that would serve that purpose we could also use wood or titanium what is the approximate cost per 100000 for the titanium 0 you know i do not have an information on that however our company obviously can provide us with the titanium so i assume i was given an okay to use it it certainly is an expensive material i am aware of that but i was given an okay but there are certain restrictions to certain materials now let us 1st go through the list with the materials so what we can use is plastic rubber wood and titanium so mix these as for the energy source we are talking about that shortly in the other meeting what we could use is or what i was offered what we could use is a basic battery a dynamo interestingly enough we could use solar cells or a device that was not much further specified that provides kinetic energy such as like watches you just move them move the actual device and this provides it with some energy so obviously i personally have to say that dynamo is out of question you do not want to wind up your remote control before you can use it right solarcell is interesting may fail though everything there but you have to leave it by the window yeah or you lose it advice behind the couch for a week yeah works well in arizona but but in edinburgh not so the kinetic energy thing might work but the same problem you leave it lying around and you 1st have to shake it before it starts to work so i would say what we are stuck with really is the basic battery which also makes a base station basically obsolete however our interface options are push buttons in which in the production of which or in the production of which our company is expert however we have discussed that scroll wheels are a better option and they are possible we have an okay for scroll wheels however when it comes to the scroll wheel of the ipod i have one big objection that is that we have to fit an lcd into the remote control as well this however may exclude certain materials if you have a squishy kind of remote control then an lcd screen may be affected by the movement because we might not be able to put it in there so there is also restrictions to when it comes to the chip if we have a more sophisticated scroll wheel rather than this very basic setup that we just presented the chip has to be more sophisticated and thus more expensive as well i do not have any details to you when it comes to the cost but it will be a significant difference i would rather say drop the titanium and therefore that is have a more sophisticated chip but that is not up to me to decide really so that is for the scroll wheel it limits our choice and squishy is hip so i would say rather not go for that let us see now solar cells cannot be used on a curved or latex surface or remote control but obviously that is not our problem since we have decided or against solar cells i assume right or anybody still yeah i think i think batteries are probably the way to go which makes it very conventional but therefore traditional i assume with the titanium we come out to make it a curved design we would just be able to make it flat and and straight design pretty much which i assume would exclude some more sophisticated versions with the sort of spongy and the plastic thing you can get those mobile phones and initially have a it is plastic but then they have sort of a cover on it which is just sort of soft stuff so i do not know if that would still be possible to have you know it plastic but then where the people hold it they still will be sort of spongy and we can have the fruits and vegetables on the spongy parts we can remove it so was the possibility of having a graphical display on it like a screen you can have an lcd screen but therefore no rubber will be used right so plastic is titanium yes but this will of course influence the form as i understand it you can use any form latex is tricky or rubber rubber and titanium also seems to be tricky when it comes to the form so the way to go is if you want to scroll wheel you either make it flat and angular add an lcd screen and then you can basically choose either with plastic or titanium yeah or wood if you want to make it a particular shape use plastic add an lcd screen add a scroll wheel that will be fine or make it just push buttons basically plastic gives you the biggest variety of options maybe not the nicest feel not much of originality wait the rubbery we can shape it however we want or the rubber we cannot with rubber we could pretty much shape it the way we wanted it but we cannot add scroll wheels and we cannot add an lcd screen that is the tricky thing could we not you know have a shape with the scroll and the screen and then the sort of initial shape we had just which is you know sort of banana esque that is the thing if you did it yellow yeah and you know you just stick on just sort of other things and i sort of grip from it they would not have any they are just they are just 0 they are just 0 the exterior they would not be necessary to the actual shape of the thing is that an option a plastic shell with a rubbery coating on at certain spots certainly it can be done yes yeah that does not affect the functional side of it all like say just the underside so then it can be done i assume yeah so the fruit design how about affecting the surface of the actual remote control say we do not make it the particular fruit shape obviously but that the surface of an orange banana whatever you name it what about a smell to the remote you could just sell it in different colors as well i suppose in different yellows all those smells i would stick well we are supposed to stick to the colors yeah yellow and gray yellow and gray yellow and gray so what have we lemon banana grapefruit is what we would go for in terms to the author appearance perhaps but i would say if i were to make a decision i would probably put the fruit aspect at the lower end of the spectrum of importance i think having a shape could be a little ridiculous well we have not benetian shaped already well perhaps the implied shape will be enough to lure that fruit minded remote supplier and if it was done yellow it is yellow it is curved so why not add a couple of gray stripes and make it look like a banana a couple of gray stripes we could put the gray stripes on the bottom so that that person could turn it over it would look like a banana just sitting on their table yeah there you go rather than rather than and then you could actually put the banana shaped thing on the fruit ball 0 on a coffee table and then people always know where it was maybe the holder if we were to have a holder it could be shaped like a it could be an ape it could be an ape or a fruit bowl we could have a variety of options here okay yeah do you have more to your presentation that is pretty much it i informed you about the materials what the interior has to look like and what the limitations to certain materials are there you go okay i am going to plug in here real quick sure i could like i said we have to make a decision on a couple of the questions on a couple of of these items here so is the 2 piece idea out or would we not decided we sort of might want to go with that because if we are going to use a battery then the base station might not be necessary to say well we can still design a 2 piece remote without having a base having one of them be a base station but just have it be an optional either big remote with lots of functions or you take a smaller piece we can still do that however of course it would be like designing 2 remotes pretty much so which then as i understand it would probably limit the limit again the use of certain materials because they would be too expensive say like a scroll wheel and on both of them or have an lcd screen and so on so you would probably have to stick rather with a just traditional rubber button design which we saw there but could be done okay so these are the decisions that we do need to make by the end of this meeting for our components concept we need to come up with the energy source the chip on print and the case probably case material and probably a shape also and then for the user interface concept we need to decide what the type is and what kind of supplements we will have energy source i think we have decided batteries although not exciting are probably our best bet we have 5 minutes okay when it comes to the chip on print as i said the more advanced features you want the fancier the chip has to be and the more expensive if you want just a normal button version the chip on print is going to be a cheap one so i guess we should pick the case then if we go with the plasticy case or the plastic case then the chip on print is still kind of we could have either or we could have a complex one or a non complex but did we decide that the rubbery feel is important enough to us what about what you said like putting the finger grips just on top of the plastic okay so we would have the lcd screen as long as the rubber is nowhere near the controls yes okay so i guess the case would be plastic with perhaps that is not even enough rubber to qualify as being part of it it is more of a supplement maybe yeah more of a lamination perhaps yeah so then for the scroll are we going for the ipod type yeah i think so yeah okay which will require a more expensive chip on print right yes it does thank you i guess that we have a good idea of what we are going to need to do on this okay so we will have another meeting in 30 minutes here is what is going to be going on ryan you will be working on the user interface design manual you will be working on the look and feel design corinne will want a product evaluation and the 2 of you get to play with the modeling components and maybe get us a prototype which should go along well with your look and field design and your interface so that basically will just be working on the prototype another prototype will accomplish your other 2 actions let us do it" ]

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[ "which data you know i i want everything and then i will decide what i want yeah so this was that face to face meeting okay but it it does not there is not th so there are things in the eye tracker record that we definitely do not want in the g d f format like the frame rate eye movement you know we we i we are if we are expecting the g d f format to be sort of a parsed version of events and you know there is just too much raw frame f frame rate stuff coming out of this you would not prob you would not want it in this kind of format for up translation to the other things we can get back to it we can get we can always get back to it yeah we yeah you can get back to it we are not th actually throwing anything away yeah we are not throwing anything away and if we decide to re jig this at some finer this is just the stuff yeah mecha method we will still have the original and a method of of filtering yeah but the th but the way to think of this is this is the data that we want to be able to analyze against the other tracks of data so so the data that we want to compare with a language or with whatever and so okay as long as the format in which we pick it up is a format which could be generalized to a finer take because the worst thing that can ever happen to you is you discover that you have done huge amounts of analysis and th you actually had the data but you threw it away because you treated it so grossly yeah okay so whatever we should be able to b you know backtrack and say okay instead of every 2nd every 10th of a 2nd or some such thing s so in essence what you would then do is but you know th well we are not doing frame rate at any frame for well maybe we are i do not know well the eye tracker does i i had thought we were yeah the eye tracker does yeah 500 hertz though but yeah but right w what w the kinds of events that we had r before talked about putting into the record for then use in elan and n x t is not based on saying every x seconds something you know give me give me what is happening every x seconds well you need it is more like you know give me the fixations and the the blinks well one needs to know the duration of these things right yeah 0 yeah so one needs to be able to say durations are in there but it is not there is a difference between saying that something is in a particular state every frame whatever the frame rate is you know 10 seconds a minute you know that is that is one kind of w way of looking at data and a parsed version of the data which is not at any particular length it relies on this really close frame rate that is underneath well so there is no real time there is only ev there is only events what i am we are trying to figure out is whether we have thrown time away no no the time the time is still in there but you will get what you want is to figure out what are the the concepts behind that data that you want represented so rather than saying the eye was at this particular place you know here and then a 10th of a 2nd later here and then a 10th of a 2nd later here here you say there was a fixation from this time to that time and there was blink from this time to that time okay and so one of the formats in which eye tracker data is analyzed is percentage of time spent on some target as opposed to some competitor over the 1st 2nd after some event okay so you actually have to be shu have to show at some time slice rate whether the eye was on the same target as the other guy okay a similar target what we would both been deali you know so we have to b we have all the parts the interesting parts of the screen identified and be able to show distribution of gaze over time alright now we could be really unlucky and somebody would expect us to do that at the real frame rate yeah but i think that is really unlucky but but my point is that we must not throw away in or lose the capacity of being able to deliver that kind of data right so there is 2 issues here we are not throwing anything away but the question is what tool would you use to get that information out of the data would you be so the more you can plan s so typically the eye will move right so over any 12nd they eye is actually f fixing on a bunch of different things and you and so when you say the eye was on this from here to here what is going to happen is that is that if you use the real frame rate it is going to jiggle all over the place it is going to be on this landmark yeah it is on this object that object this fixed thing that fixed thing okay you are going to get lots and lots of stuff and it is percentage distribution that you are going to want it is not i went here i s you know it is not like person walking i went here i stayed here it is it is more like a fly hovering so you need to know the percentage of time it was on during that fixation yeah because if you if you take them as separate events you get 1000s of separate events m m i i yeah but the p sort of start and end times will give you back to that output a as a and then you just measure it against you know the c the c yeah the cumulative total time record or something against bigger frames okay so the percentage is i i is a cut it is not something you are using for measurement so it is a cut off for whether or not it counts as a fixation well that is the that is the problem is that there are 2 ways of doing it one is that there is always a cut off right but the other is that there will be a time span a kind of reaction to some event span b m yeah so i will i will lag in some of it during the i suppose there is the the saccadic movement itself for example right right and so i mean there are there are really 2 ways of looking at this one would like to know for example the percentage of time overall in which 2 people are looking at the same thing okay and one would like to know sequences of they did not look at the same thing and then they broke it or they did look at the same thing and then they did or did not brea you know 11 could imagine those 2 categories that is that is a kind of testing of our hypotheses but there is a certain amount of dues you pay to the way they do things in the literature to get your papers published and one of the things they will want to know is an event series after some critical event right what percentage of time is given to looking where the other guy is looking and what percentage of time over some you know reasonable time span of a couple of seconds alright so they will be they they will want to see essentially the gaze settling on particular incidents on particular places so we have to be able to deliver those 2 things and they are rather different demands th th th yeah right the it should still come out that the little sketch i asked this p for for last week about n x t and whether it would have that sort of tiered effect so you could see the overlap of where one person is looking compared to the other and their mouse movements and things yeah that that should ra address all that cause all you want to know is whether they were looking at the same object in the period after but but because it is also in the i based on the the time course of the procedure you will be able to basically get the scan path of the pattern of events from that as well yeah okay can we draw it to make sure that that that this is satisfying ellen is concerns yeah yeah so i did have it somewhere i did not have it r have not brought it right well there is a white board right trying to remember it we love this thing see if the pens work so this is a is eyes right and b is eyes and i think what you are saying you should probably draw this right is that they you know if from this time to this time they are looking at triangle one w what you are saying is that you want to know in the critical you want to know after they are they are looking at triangle one what is happening in this period with this guy right or how l alright let us let us imagine a typical construction event okay there is some part there are there are separate movable parts on the screen ready for use right there may be or not a construction already begun right somebody makes the 1st move there is some kind of communication either gestural imaginary or verbal that plans how we are going to do it right before that happens the person who speaks is going to do some kind of visual scanning while they are speaking or communicating in some way the other person may or may not be looking where they are looking okay they may be overlapping gaze at particular objects which are of interest let us call it the c the construct existing construct which could be 0 alright or the the addendum the thing which is next going to be added next piece okay now in neither case when you draw this he is looking at triangle one which you are actually drawing you know for a the period of time in which he is steadily looking at triangle one is going to be very very short right because staring fixedly without interruption blink or or saccade is is an extremely short event the it m it m but br at that point they are all of it lumped all the individual fixations as long as it does not move off that triangle together as a total sort of gaze gaze time on that that is fine so it is in a region it is in a region yeah so yep yeah that that is a target within the target region okay but even so you are likely to get bouncing in and out of the region right m so even so you want to look at if we are interested in how long before the construction move takes place how much of the time they spend looking at the same thing let us call that our measure of alignment so they are going to be yeah that is right a is going to be on triangle one and various other places alright huh that is right and and b okay m yes somewhere and we are going to look at the percentage of of that time where they are both in the same region right so what i want to make sure is that we do not simplify do you know what i mean so temporarily simplify too much so that yeah it it sh yeah it i mean as long as we are dif r yeah it there should not be anything missing cause then you lose percentage as an as a as a d v right and so b has some periods of looking at one and all it will which will also be intermittent that should be alright yeah because yeah yep so you know he might get triangle one there and no maybe this one is going to overlook lap quite a bit m m yeah yeah yeah yeah right so what you want to do is be able to define bigger periods which is the period when they are sort of interested in triangle one overall right yes this is sort of some meta level analysis when they should be so we yeah so we if we have an an event yeah that that yeah the 2nd line then for the 2nd before it right and then we can just take that chunk out and do something with it yeah but that is that is not a something that you can do in the n x t query language but it you can not do that in any you know that should i i okay this is such special purpose s but it is easy enough given the data format for any of these things to do that so you could do it on cause i it is just a matter of i the hard part is deciding how close together these have to be before you decide that this is a event that you want to pull out right because you know algorithmically you are you are already putting together i mean this is essentially already you know these fixations with stuff in between yeah yeah yeah and you know we we have got an algorithm for deciding when that is a look i guess you already have that or no well if it is just based on like a a stable fixation for so long or or something and crossing into that region well it 0 yeah yeah yeah so it is all fixations they are these are all fixations and saccades but within the yep yep right so that is easy enough what so the hard thing is they could be moving their eye arbitrarily here right and you know maybe even having fixations on other things yes yeah yes because for example for part of that time both b and a are probably looking at the construct okay yep if if your intention is to move the red triangle to sit on top of the thing already constructed you would tend to look back and forth yep back and forward yep right so this is not yeah and we should be able to to figure that out but what you need to do is we we can already build into this g d f format these regions if you can give a definition of what you think that is but i think the right way to do this is to be able to inspect the data in some tool and play around with the definitions because you will not get it right the 1st time yeah yeah sure so so the question would be under what tool should we be looking at these events yeah and elan is a reasonable choice for that right so what you need is something well no because you need to to y you need to be able to see the effects of this do not know so i g i guess this is a case of craig writing some scripts so robin having some ideas about what the relationship is and saying you know add this data a automatically it i mean it is not that hard right it is just there will be a bunch of these yeah you will have some rules about how maybe how long you spend on other objects and w whether the other object is the existing construction or not right right so so essentially there is there is a e is divided into t r one and c and other stuff okay where c is the construct the existing thing and so ah right so if they if they they had a fixation on c you would not be worried but if they had a fixation on well no i mean we would take a separate we would look at the percentage time i mean i have no idea because i do not know how people look when they are building things together okay so there is a there is the addendum and the and the co the existing construct and i do not know whether they are going to spend more time looking at one or the other but if they are whatever it is that one is looking at if the other is looking the same place they are in good shape yeah they are yep but yeah they are going to look at the clock and they are going to look at they may look at completely irrelevant yeah sure sure and that is what the other stuff that is what the that is what the diagonal stripes are for that is true but we c we can one of the things we will be doing is categorizing people i take it or interactions by the amount of time people spend looking at the clock we would expect that if we put people under time pressure they will look at the clock a lot more yeah more but that is like a separate analysis right sure it is a separate analysis so but you do not want to throw it away right it no no so so you can define if all of these things are actually categorized by the eye tracker as to where the eye is alright the so every separate yeah you should be able to pull out any interesting category and say alright for this phase it is t r one or c for this phase it is s q one or c okay yeah but what we find e what we can get out of the data easily at the moment is at this kind of level right and then it is a case of defining algorithmically all these other transformations that you want so this is one we had not thought of adding before but we should right which is well how would you decide whether something was the current addendum the cu you have to actually transcribe the thing or watch the film further on so that is a human decision yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah yeah so so m so i assume that well once you have that sort of information you well you got the g d f format but the ex yeah you then filter it to say right between time x and time y they are they are constructing that having triangle one to the construct and then you just say in that time period what percentage are they looking at triangle one what percentage are they looking at the construct right does that sound does that sound reasonable right yeah that is the addendum in the construct should be you know kind of they they change their true identity yep but they are i their categories of stuff now i w my kind of assumption was that that this was j p land yeah that that is what he was re what he was really interested in was the kind of coding which would define the building sequence okay well he is really interested in right so and the and maybe he wants to think about that more and say well there were several candidates for the addendum alright so which one does and and it was the negotiation of which candidate was going to be the right candidate that is actually the interesting stuff so i should talk to him about this he is he is actually emailed me with a l with a list of things he wants to discuss at length but we believe so i w i will bring this one back to him but we believe j p to be defining that maybe well this is my question for him is he going to define this kind of building sequence in a way that we can get out or is he so b i mean you know they have been working on construction there for a while so it may be that they have a coding system that is ready to go and we should just apply it yeah okay they do a lot of sub assembly in the tasks they have been doing so they may well have a yeah i could believe them yeah no taking an interest in that let us find out i mean the general division was language here and other stuff there right right right that is what i have understood it to be so wha right but well i do not know i will just i will just minute that what well we but we have the now actions i mean actions might mostly be theirs right but w but since we have the the eye tracker i th we are going to have to answer their questions about gaze right 0 yeah eye tracker here yes huh yeah right yeah i mean we know that yeah i right but so they will they will they will tell us something about that but presumably what you piously hope is happens here is what happened with transactions right that the verbal analysis and the and the visual analysis give you the same breaking points the same chunking points well yeah but i mean with transaction coding on something like this you would use i y you would not consider it verbal analysis exactly it would be verbal plus action because it is a task breakdown well i mean what you know it is just a segmentation it is it is it is a task breakdown but for the verbal version there are ways of announcing that now we are doing a new one right yeah but you would not have you you would not do 2 codings for task level one you would not do transaction coding in a action segmentation or that we are finished with the old one no you would not but i mean one of the things one of the things you would like to establish you know as an as an outcome of this is that you could analyze either end and you would get the same chunking of the material the thing which you guys thought to make in a paper i i do not think that is realistic because i think what you would actually do is use the full record of what you have and do a segmentation i think it would be hard to understand what was going on if you used like just the language without watching the video to decide whether we are breaking down the task it is a hypothesis 0 you do not want it to be coding th based on that though and then that seems a strange way to go about things well i mean this the language events are multi modal right you know they are they are doing all these things together they are doing these things together but one of the things that you one could imagine doing is senator is you know having the transcription there and pl just play it back to a bunch of captive undergraduates and say when do they stop and start wha why do you care whether they can do it just based on the the language because because essentially you are looking at cycling sequences in discourse is and if the discourse tells you what is going on that is information i mean i g one of the questions is how the information is going to be shared across these media and if you can get it all out of the speech you know if the if all of the chunking is available when there is speech okay then it is carrying a lot of the burden well it seems to me much less important than the other things one could get out of this data it is saying we are done with that and but i you know i it is a possibility but this is but we have not looked at data like this with this with our old fashioned analyzes you know it is we will and i it is it would be really nice to know that that much information that chunking of the task information is being carried by the language because j p is question the overriding question is so what is language for you know if people are busy interacting all the time and all of our colleagues do not even bother to control for whether people are talking to one another when they are doing these joint tasks because it seems to them to be irrelevant cause language is irrelevant it would actually be nice to demonstrate that in a place where we are controlling whether you have language or not you could get the entire chunking of the task out of a language yeah well i c i can see maybe wanting to know whether you can do the chunking just based on the actions without the language in cases where they use both it is more g i can not quite see why it is important to know that they can do it just based on the language when w you know that they had both because you know it is a self contained system as opposed to a system which is which can not be interpreted without the other system huh well i think that one is just bound to fail okay usually the claim almost all studies on language claim that language is a self contained system which will give you everything you need to know but yeah really that is the claim okay alright anyway i did not say it was true i said that is the claim and so it is worth testing so back back to this main problem which is yeah w the record that we are getting in the 1st instance is about the m about these you know they are looking at some region of the screen defined dynamically and then we need some way of knowing what the you can you can see adding these other analyzes about you know they are they are jointly focused on this region and trying to figure out what s percentage of time they are looking at it as adding new tiers of information to either the elan track or n x t they are they are both sort of track based in this way but the hard part is knowing how you want to do that and i i think in the 1st instance what we are trying to get into the g d f format is just this and then we have got no option but to figure out a way for like to look at this just explore this data suggest ways about doing it and be able to play them back and see when we think we have got these things right i do not think we even know what the set of these things are that we want much less how to get em yet no no and we will not and establishing the full set will you know take us much of the project so th so you know yeah that is right so this is not the you know this is something we are aiming for but this is not something that affects what craig programs for the initial g d f translation you can we can announce now fine my only concern w you a as i said when i barged in was just to make sure that we did not lose the things that we might need to pick up later yeah that is all so let us just return to this question of frame rate because this is the thing we were not planning to transfer into this format so again you know what a frame rate kind kind of coding is ag it can again be seen as a track but it says it is a coding like this right where you say it is in state a state b state c state a every single frame well okay but since the l the definitions of look a thing we are looking at are d are the ones which get rid of the lower level like jiggling around in the area of a particular object right so if we are moving the the green triangle we have defined a region which is the dynamically the green triangle wherever it is we will jiggle around in there but it does not matter where we are in there that is beneath our level of analysis right so you right so i am just you are happy that it is not going to have frame rate like this s well it is going to have an interpretation like this well the in that interpretation is definable to frame rate by our by the only way we are going to use frame rate what does that mean sorry i c well i mean i because i can i can say for how many frames this fixation went is officially defined so that as long as i as long as it is not a untimed event okay yeah all all the all events have a start time and an end time a and an end time right so so it is you know it is fine i can say it is a long one or it is a short one w right or it is you know it is 20 milliseconds more than that one yeah but it seems to me it seems to me that ellen is concerns might mean we need to add more information to these tags because that is you know this thing in itself is th bunch of fixations right with saccades but y y y you mean to the tags of the data w within it yeah so so things like fixation the number of fixations a and fixations and the percentage of time those fixations cover you might want bi yeah with some some measure of the so we could work out the number of fixations that made and the average fixation duration as well because having saint long steady fixations can be informative okay and okay i am i am asking you as an expert so number of fixations percentage of this is this this is not a leading question this is a question question why would that be informative particularly if if they are holding their if there is less dancing around the the cognitive focus tends to be in one sort of part huh so there is a difference between if they even though they are still looking at the same part if they are looking around it rather than just holding their gaze steady or and longer on it huh on it so you think that if for example if they are looking at one or another apex of a triangle it would just that would make a difference yeah they were exploring the thing as opposed to they were simply alright there is it there it is it yeah it is it is certainly it is it is worth okay so th so that really means that we are not throwing away absolute fixations no i would not want to throw out the screen location of absolute fixations put the actual location no no this is this is still summary data they are he is we are talking about just adding attributes to these things that say the number of fixations that counted as that looking at triangle one right alright huh so y it is possible as opposed to out of it i mean presumably so you so i thought i understood you to mean exploring the figure because you know your fixation is a point and the figures are bigger than points so you could be exploring the figure or you could be just somewhere in the region defined as the figure but not on it if well yes but that probably is not going to be easy to get out because you would then have to break up the parts somehow okay alright fine the so you just want to know the variability of the of the fixation yep and would not that differ from person to person it it yes it can do but it is also looking at it within their their own behavior to see yeah okay so it is the number of different spots within that region where the eye has fixed the number of different fix 0 ok okay th w i i would say just the number of fixations i mean it could just be yeah the number of different yeah yeah the spots will be different anyway so it is a jiggle rate okay cause i you are not going to g have the same pixel yeah yep exactly right so so we have the option that we can put in an a fixation thing here right as well if you want the smaller if you want the smaller coding in in here i mean to so that it is not just parsed into this idea of which object but you also have the raw fixation data we can put that in as another track if you think that that is something that you might want to look at in one of these tools that shows you the tracks against each other well all i th understood you to ask for was the duration of each fixation inside yeah i d that is all he asked for it yeah yeah yeah if if we have got everything then i suppose it is you can always yes it is you are not throwing anything away then well i think you can come back yeah and in n x t there is no cost right because the y the you just do not choose to load those or right all we are doing is dumping it as output that you can load if you choose to i g s you know so if they are things that you just know are crazy and you are not going to want then we do not do it okay but otherwise we go ahead and dump em right cause it is easy to dump out the fixations yeah yeah so it is the number of different fixations okay so it is the number of fixations the did you want the you well actually do you want the average duration or do you want the number of different ones but number well the duration time as well somehow whether it is the average one or duration of each fixation in the region of the fixation m not e well if it is each you have to d you have to break it down into another tier right well yeah you can not you can say there were 3 fixations and they averaged a certain time the the average should be alright to work with but you do not want to d well what about the the overall sum of the durations the the is that i mean which way do you want to well you have already got that well if you have got the number of fixations in the average time you can then just generate it yeah then that is that is the way you want it that way around yeah yeah okay so that is a measure of jiggle in the region roughly and y did you want the percentage of time fixated as opposed to which is sort of another view of this number moving you can have as many of these as again that that should be you should be able to derive that presumably from yeah well it is not the the extra cost of having these as attributes is not high so you know it saves you i having to do write scripts to do arithmetic on that later if you know that these are numbers that are going to be useful to you okay right what is our error of measurement on location on the screen so to what degree do we actually know whether the 2 little eyes little circles are exactly in the same place or just somewhere in the same region that it can vary a bit depending on the calibration but if we are building in a sort of error margin it it will be based on pixels around right okay right but there will also be a minimum one cause i am trying to think that it is probably the small the actual mouse icon is so small it will need a slightly larger just because if what you have i is a sort of larger error or of b error margin around it it is yeah okay right s okay so my question was going to be alright the the mouse is a dynamic object right yeah the eye track is a dynamic object or is it only the the piece that the eye tra the other person is eye track is on that is that is an object in this definition no the 0 the other person is gaze position as well is a is an object yep okay trea treated the same as as the mouse say with some with plus or minus something or other yeah around it yep some circular area yes yep okay and so you can be on the object but not on the other person is gaze so there can be a triangle which has a is gaze in the center and your gaze actually happens to be here yes so if there if yes you are in the triangle region does this but not looking at their individual and pr fact they probably will avoid looking directly okay because if they are looking directly at it it is obscuring the the part but it is directly added when when these 2 in this situation when these 2 overlap right like this yeah okay yeah cause i think that that is going to co that is cause b the diagram we got there suggesting that they are only looking thing at time so whether it is triangle or whatever else but so what you are suggesting there is they can be looking at the triangle and maybe a mouse pointer and maybe an eye at the same time yeah the okay okay well it would come up it would say yes right i mean because they would be in the same place i do not know so if you y you are going to have dynamic regions which overlap one another by definition if the mouse is on the construct then right right the m the mouse the gaze and the part are all layered yeah yep yeah yeah well well but y those are different tracks of information cause you get c cause you so what you want is one track of information about which object it is 11 about whether or not it is on the other guy is gaze right and one about whether it is on one of the mouse positions we treat those as as other objects but the difference between them and the the parts of the c thing to be constructed is that they are allowed to overlap with other things so nothing breaks okay yeah but i in in the analysis you should treat those as completely separate tracks of information if we because they can be looking at they could look sim simultaneously at somebody is mouse somebody is gaze and some object right ye yes as opposed to simply looking at somebody is gaze when the mouse is not also there right so yeah and you want to know those things yep so the these are independent right they are i they are independent dynamic objects so so what we want is whether they are looking at s at the other person is gaze right and say they are in this period well i mean they are probably not given what i have trying to okay so a definition of we are all looking at and touching the same thing so imagine that we have just added a piece to the construct alright so now that is the construct and both mouse symbols are on it right yeah and both gazes are on it right yep so at that point you should have a line up of a is on the construct a is on the mouse a is on a is on a is mouse a is on b is mouse a is on b is gaze and b likewise yeah okay so g so there is there is a lot of tracks here right right because well we just added this fixation track ooh i love the eraser and then there is a is mouse not their eyes is on an object right and the mouse might be on triangle one yeah but the mouse is also a dynamic object but it does not matter i mean i the mouse we are just saying where is the mouse that is fine okay you know it is on this object and then a is eye is on well a is mouse i guess right a is eye might be looking at a is mouse here a is eye might be looking at b is mouse here right i mean these are all the different ways of taking cross products at the things that could be co located right so you just treat em as independent and i am guessing from what you say yeah and then you then you look for combinations of them yeah i guessing from what you are saying you want all these tracks i think we need to because tha some measure of alignment is looking where the other guy is directing attention yeah which is fine there is no problem with that at all and there are 2 measures of where the other guy is directing attention that you get from the visual track one is where the mouse is and the other is where the gaze is yeah so s so you kinda got the idea here yep yep okay yeah yeah so so yeah so so it is just a matter of adding these the 2 mouse pointers and the 2 gazes as extra objects so yeah as long as as long as they have got an i d in there we can just say right at this p between these times they are looking at that object or they are looking at the mouse right right they are looking at whatever but the important thing is you do not treat that entire set as mutually exclusive and exhaustive so it is just so tha the objects is like a separate level of analysis yeah that actually true be cause if whether they are looking at the objects than whether they are looking at the gaze right cause they can happen at the same time but that it is also going to be the case that whatever region you define as the region of the dynamic object of the red triangle may get to the point where it overlaps the region of the dynamic object of the green square yep okay what do we do about that does that happen yeah because if you have them close together there is always some fuzz factor around them if when they get moved together 0 right and so if they are left lying close together okay or in the in fact in the model in the not in the model it huh in the in the supplies set they are actually neatly packed into a little space okay so what you are saying is like a new problem for us which is i am going to change 2 objects close together your eye gaze can actually be looking at the left edge of one and the right edge of the other that is the bad one and they are sor therefore looking at 2 objects at once yeah yeah so you are saying squeak squeak saying they need some new pens okay yes can you write on my pen pad new pens just say yeah pens pens white board pens white board pens so you are saying you know they could be looking at square one at this point i confuse em cause they because the 2 are so close together that their regions overlap close together okay that is a problem for the data models and either of the things that we were using yeah unle but it unless we just define it as there is only they are they are exclusive that would and which ever area m has the greatest overlap is what they are actually looking at what do you mean by greatest overlap the greatest overlap with what well it w if if you have got your sort of eye position ho ho and it is it is unlikely to be exactly 50% in one object and 50% in the other draw my g my spacial reasoning is no good yeah well i put these things on i think i think you are throwing information away see i i am the one that uses the white board cause i actually put the the microphones on yeah what i am i am thinking is if you have got say one object there and right you know so this is this is the better pen thank you part one and part 2 and you have got they are sort of they are looking there huh then that overlap means they are looking at the 2 pieces simultaneously yeah but but you had a way of choosing which one right yeah yeah just if this is there is more of it yeah i yes but it may be a bad idea it may be a bad idea you have just thrown data away yeah that is w that is that is a decision we will i am saying is if they are looking if most of what their overlap is here then we stick with that one yeah well thing is that with j so you just mean which i is it closer to the is the circle i mean what is this circle well they are looking at a pixel or something right that is th we no that because the gaze position will be a sort of fuzzy area it will not just be a pixel it will it will be an actual like circle and area the gaze will wobble right yeah the gaze will wobble so i i it it that is that is going to be w it is it is not just a single point that is natural s right 0 so those vary in size it is it is a it is a sort of lump target yeah yeah and so there will be a bit of a a sort some sort of overlap of 2 objects yeah or indeed they might be looking from one to another or b yeah they could just be oscillating yeah d or deciding which one to choose or thinking so you do not want to decide it is only one and throw the other one out they could be yeah thing thing is w g d s formats is wor is working at the moment it is actually got a separate track for each part okay well that is fine so that i was going to say that is the obvious way to do it 0 but what pain that is going to be analytically yeah because it is going to how many parts are there well each one is yes or no well the like well the the the it depen depends on the depends on what you build in couple of dozen there is different parts there is different parts whether you are doing the tamgram or whether you are doing an airpa airplane or whatever right 6 to a dozen usually okay but th but sa but thing is if if we if we got if we got tracks for each for each part we can we can easily analyze it down later on i know ways of getting around this analytically cause you c yeah i mean i think it is very likely that if people are considering f i mean if if they are oscillating though then that is presumably going to saint change the weight so you are actually going to see them flipping between when you decide they are looking there if they are really close yeah well not if the regions overlap okay if they are really close to each other it is going to get foxed if the regions i yeah right yeah and if you define the regions so neatly that there is that you know that we are losing gaze because of jiggle outside this closely defined region when it is in the middle of space then h yes i mean i i actually like the solution however ugly it it looks in terms of a data format of having a track for every possible object of gaze yeah well the it is not the data format i am worried about it is the the way you do the analysis because you do not want to have to say you know did they jointly look at triangle one okay did they jointly look at square one okay did they jointly look at you know you need some way of going over the whole thing s a thing but i c we can find ways around that well okay i think for now we we do it this way and then we we think about what we need out of it in the end so it is just you know in elan it that has the side effect that if you go for the naturalistic way of of up translating to elan there will be a zillion tracks and it will probably ruin their viewer cause you will get very sparse data on each track huh it will be like the old referring expression generalis visualization the map task you know where they talk about one object one landmark and then another landmark i always thought that was brilliant well it is big right yeah it is big and you do have to scroll through it to see what is going on but it gives you a very clear picture of what is going on well we will see if elan likes it or not yeah well okay but so we would we would better do a test one and and listen to them scream the yeah yeah and we b we better also like have in the representational list of par like even in the n x t up translation a list of parts with parts it it affects the way we do the n x t u up translation and make things easier for people yeah right so i mean so yeah well the the the the does not really list part in the in the g d f so yeah that that that is not a problem there so that bas basically what i have got is well there there there is places where you got the i d though so you have the an i d for a part you got an i d for a location on the screen so it shows you the target config the clock whatever else and then we can easy add i d s for the 2 mouse points and the 2 gazes and from that and ba basically all all the all the tracks are doing is saying at this between this time there is a look at this 0 this object yeah th this i d so so it is effectively a track for each i d okay so what about the point where a part becomes the construct the th yeah the but but do you still identify it as a part i mean i think one should lose that i take it well wha wha what happen what happens there is that the the 2 the the existing parts basically cease to exist and a new part with a new i d starts existing at the point where they are joined cause right so you cha so every time a part is added to the construct it becomes a new part so the construct actually has say it has 6 things that are added to some initial thing okay so if there is just the initial thing you have put it in the middle of the screen that is just the initial object right yep soon as you put a part there is a construct but it is construct one because when you add another part construct one ceases to exist and you get construct 2 right yeah so actually defining all of those as the construct is going to be the trickiest thing i it is also going to be a problem because you are going to have one part or a construct forming in the middle of a fixation well the right so it is not going to be quite as clear if you can not can not chop it off right so you are you are looking at triangle one right and all of a sudden it ceases to exist huh and then it yes and it suddenly becomes and there could be more than one construct at a time right and it becomes construct or assembly whatever 2 yeah 0 it is there is no the construct right cause you can build sub assemblies no and then you can start again you can build sub sub assemblies and then link the the part really yeah also when you when you screw it up you g start again yeah what why does it why does construct one become construct 2 when you add something to it because the definition yeah that that that that is what that is what that is the way he is working the moment because it th it is it is generating a new i d when you c when you create a new part i so each yeah 0 and this is because we do not want it to stay triangle one when you start with a construct it is not a construct at all it is just a one thing and we do not want triangle one to suddenly have bigger stuff well the problem is that all of these things are popping out of existence yeah so do we know the difference between we broke it and it went away and it is now part of the construct yeah but there there is there is joint events so if the if a joint event if if if it is there is joint event linked to linked to the item then you know it is become part of a construct of can we ta can we tag the constructs with what is in them yeah the the the yeah yeah yeah there are wai w i th the con the con the constructs are already tagged with that yeah there are so that i am act there is actually a s a separate file of the data format which says for each construct which which 2 parts made it made that came together to make that construct which constituent parts okay so we could we could essentially well then we could cumulati or it is a new construct cause it has a new list of a new cumulative list of parts right yeah but you can still ta you can still track what parts went into it but we will right so so you can still find triangle one whatever so some fancy programming is going to have to be done to say i was looking at triangle one and now i am looking at triangle one in construct one cause the 1st construct was triangle one and square one okay yeah yeah but but that is easy n it is easy to do because the the co each construct has the i d s for the pa the things that construct it alright so now we have to ask whether so l let us imagine this we have made a construct of 2 parts and we are c i a triangle and a square and we are considering now adding something on to the side of the square that is not attached to the triangle okay are we looking at the square or we looking at the construct yeah construct that was the next question i had yeah yeah you will be looking at the construct cause that is the way it is dis defined in this definit should be looking at the construct yeah there is not a way to figure out that you are looking at the square rather than the triangle yeah well we will d yeah well with the yeah d well thing is that we we still have the x wa the x wave traces from the ascii formats looking at areas within it so if if you want if you want to be able to say i am looking at a square instead of i am looking at the construct that is it is possible to get that data out it is it is yeah it is 0 yeah it is it is not doing it is not doing it in the gest analyzer at the moment but i can easily add it to give that information if you want well okay because i mean that is that is the example m f presumably that is the best example of overlapping overlapping areas cause if if the thing the 2 s the 2 things are now abutted of course there is an area which is common to both of them okay that will cover most of em so what i am trying to run through in my head is that we can always tell the difference between something going out of existence cause it is joined to construct something going out of existence cause we threw it away right suppose we pick up an we we we screwed up the 1st time we put the triangle with the square and we threw it away and decided we did not like it and we took another one is it triangle one is it triangle one prime or something like that it is the replacement for triangle one i yeah yeah if if you take it if you t if you crea if you create a new part it it gets a new i d it is triangle 2 so if you get if you drag a new part out of the parts bin well how do i know what it replaces you do not because that is you would have to have human coding to do that yeah there might be multiple triangles that you have broke and you will not know which one they are planning on using it for yeah i mean the we e w n n this is true but if i have triangles 123 right and i throw them away any triangles i take out are to replace 123 well you know which mold they come from and so you know which shape they match okay but you can not possibly know which one of the ones they are meant to replace yeah i mean you know whi you know which way they match except that ex no you do not know which one they are meant to replace so you can but you know they are not meant to replace any that are all that are that have not been thrown away they can not replace the new parts only appear when the previous one is broken okay right so the new parts are replacing those which have disappeared from the screen yes and if there is no more t r one track the t r one track is gone now they ca they can appear without them you c 0 so there is no 2 parts with the same shape yeah the 0 there are many with same shape but not the same shape and color then same identity same eye 0 same shape and color yeah right okay yep 0 is that true you have decided not to make all the triangles red and squares green and well that is well that is that is what they are at the moment 0 okay 0 okay so you can tell what it is meant to replace then right because it is the same it is just a case of the mold right 12 and 3 they yes so that is the way it works at the moment i just assume that is how ni nijmegen had set it all up okay th that is that is back to tim is day so so there yep so shape plus color they are individual you have different colors for the yep okay they are unique unique yeah yep all the parts are unique so wai hang on that makes the task a little bit easier right yes the tam tamgrams are much easier when you can see the all the lines yep so it is just a construction task rather than a puzzle indeed which kind of leaves you with an obvious way of making the same task harder and easier does not it yep yeah but the this also but but that is hard to code i mean that is really a thing we might do okay so now let us make sure that the coding would survive that it is just it is a beautifully controlled situation the construction task is essentially the same it is the figuring out stuff that gets harder if everything is purple for a just to choose a color at random here yeah yeah so yeah yeah yeah so i think that anything is loading there is there is then 2 triangle is not there there is 2 identical triangles in the tamgram yes it at the moment there are d there are 2 i think 2 small ones and 2 large triangles they are actually the same physical size and shape at the moment they are in different colors that also means in the p new parts list they are there for you know 2 v large triangles and 2 small one small ones say whereas in in the revised edition if they were all just black there would only be one mold in the new parts yeah we in when you specify these things do you specify the molds or does it figure out what the molds are based on so is this hard wired into tim is program or is it just an artifact of the way we s as far as i know it is hard wired it just appears so well yeah yeah when you when you specify the molds in the in the in the p the file that c that generates the parts like a list of parts the molds are bas just taken out of the the file that generate that specifies the parts right okay so so ho however many part however many mo however many parts there are in the file that is how many parts appear in the in the parts box the polygon one polygon 2 whatever it might be so it is hard wired so if you have 5 black triangles there going to be 5 black triangles in the parts box or one if you have 5 black triangles going to be 55 parts in the fi 5 black black triangles in the parts box huh so minor modification needed for but what what what but what you can do well if in the in the initial configuration you can re use a triangle so if you so if you only want one black triangle you just create one black triangle in the parts box and then re use that pa that triangle 5 times in the configuration okay as long as it this is possible so c that that just is a kind of thing which is so simple yep so much like a single 10 variable change that it if it that does not already exist yep same same pieces but what were the req wha cause i am tr i am trying to kinda map this onto baufix and baufix has has multiple you know all the the has multiples yeah the the v the nuts are are red or and all the flat things are wood color something no so they they can have different nuts there w well nuts that are different colors the same part the same part is different colors but same part in different colors yeah 0 yeah yeah but they do not have enough to make unique no what i mean there is more than they are multiple pieces that look the same so what so when you say a red nut or a green bolt or a long green bolt then there will be lots of them lying around and i think that is how the robot is set up to there are 55 green bolts yeah so i th here is one you know i think we have gotten to the point where you know to try to summarize we we think tim is program can do both of these conditions that you want okay okay but i am still worried about what the effects are for analysis so because you were aiming at something in the g d f format and i was not quite sure what okay and w so w all i am i am doing is kind of worrying out loud about all the things that will happen that we will miss by th a simple view of for example regions and looking at at triangle one yeah when is triangle one not triangle one anymore so so okay does it s keep its identity so i will summarize what we said about that part that every time you cast off a new part from a mold or you know every black triangle has a different i d identity yes and you know it is a black triangle cause you know which mold it came from but you do not know which part it was intended to replace on the screen because you can not mind read yep that is true so how can we define the shapes that people build what do you mean define well if assuming i was for a moment i was j p and i wanted to know how they actually went about building the thing okay and i wanted to to look at the strategy and i wanted to see if the strategy was different when we could talk about it and when we just picked up whatever i mean suppose i can not talk to you and i am doing this task with you and i can not talk to you the thing which is going to be hardest for me is making elaborate plans with you i can reach for the next thing and you can go where i reach but if i have some you know sub goal some long term sub goal of doing something clever with putting these together cause it is hard and then putting these together cause it is hard there it is going to be almost impossible to convey that to you and the difference in the history of construction right is an important thing and i wonder how we can get that information back i think that this is a human coding that is part of the action coding do you think because i do not see how anybody but a person watching this can guess why they cast off this thing at this time no it why is not that is that is not the question i am asking the question i am asking is what is the history of the construct so you have the n the names of the things in there and you have 2 constructs suppose we have 2 sub constructs and whichever one had 2 pieces put together 1st is the earlier numbered of those constructs right yep how do you tell the difference between adding a piece to this 1st construct and creating a 2nd construct well when the when the f when the final construct the the way the the way the the constructs are defined in the file you have got like your p your parent construct and the parts that it is constructed out of okay and yeah as i say the it is it is it is parent child relationship yeah yeah so you got parent child relationship and i the child can be a part or it can be another construct okay so construct 2 could b construct one is a red triangle and a green square construct 2 is 2 green squares okay construct 3 right is a red triangle a green square and another red triangle construct 4 okay yeah but that is okay cause they all have different underlying part numbers and when you say what a construct okay and you can so how are we going to tell when for example you think we are going to have to do human coding on when 2 sub constructs are put together no that is a definition wherein a construct has a c has constructs as children no no no yes yeah yeah yes cause there is a joint action okay the result the t what you need for a join action you need to yeah a construct and a part 2 parts whate whatever you are taking together okay and then the result of that is a construct you have got time when that happens you can see that construct appeared at that time right and you can still track the children of that construct so we could zip we could zip through this and look at all the all the interactions in which people build sub construct contstructs 1st which we expect them to do bu as a wild hypothesis more when they have verbal communication than when they do not okay and we can do that by simply searching for any constructs that have constructs as children yep yeah so we can easily look at things like that automatically okay it is just the why they g why they get new parts that is the problem for us we can not if they suddenly if they decide to get a part of a mold we do not know we can not know why until they do something with it if they do yeah we have not actually made a rule that you can not collect extra parts right and the extra parts do not appear so you can not collect them 0 yeah you said that yeah there there are a couple of them that it is like grayed out they really very faint yeah but you can so you see the mold is there but they do not come filled until no no i mean you have to b you have to break one to get one okay but you can break you you can but you can break one when you break one you do not cast off the mold yourself it happens automatically yes yes 0 okay never mind then i i it appears in the new p like suddenly the th th the new part lights up sort of thing and it is there so they just have to use it yeah huh 0 but they have to drag it up past the mold line yes yeah they have to bring it into play and you can not just bring extras in case you screw up no you have to screw up 1st and then you can bring an extra nope that yeah that that is one think unlike the say the baufix or anything we i assume the the baufix yeah where there is extra parts the there are not any extra parts and at the moment the software does not a allow for that i but it does have replacement yes yeah replacement but no superfluous so you can not have a a standard stock with extra parts that it will never use yeah okay there there is a so you so so you appreciate you appreciate the cost of so this why question does not even arise because cause you know what they are going to do with it screwing up when they decide to move it past the mold line they are p doing something with it probably and you will know what they are going to do with it because yeah yeah well by by the by the time by the time they are doing that they must have already broken something they do it that is right so you will so you will know what they are replacing yeah yeah so right okay so they rejected something or they broke something inadvertantly okay is there a way of telling the difference between intentional and unintentional breakages intentional in the sense that they break deliberately when they bring them into the new parts how would you do that bec yeah but they c you know it is like the trash can idea that they bring a no you p they both put they both put their hands on a construct because they do not like it yeah but there is there would be no way of coding that automatically right how could you possibly do that you have to hope that there is language and one of them says something but that is a human coding right you c yep so that just has to be coded there is no there is there is no way you could tell that just from the the raw movements or or something not generically so w yep because they will if they are going to do it by gesture they will build up a convention right so that is going to particularly be a problem for j p right what else do we need to know remember m all the things we are looking at are f with language with and without language and it is going to be very difficult to tell whether they broke something intentionally without the language which means it is probably not unless they develop a convention suppose they start off with language and then they they say hey look you know let us do it like this yeah okay yeah but th this is properly part of the action coding it i sure so we should well we should make a wish list right as a side effect absolutely i just i just want to make sure that a wish list yes although yes what i am trying to remember is if the people deliberately break things by moving 2 pieces together they they do not both break they do they both they both if if if what if one if one person is trying to get a part to a part that is not that that so the part that is just sitting on the screen that is not being touched they both break so the i intentional thing is when they actually both click on the same object and it breaks for sure you know that is and l or well n is not necessarily intentional no they could just make a mistake or screw up yeah yeah they could just screw up yep yeah they could discuss deciding to break something and and then one guy does it yeah y yeah or i do not think that is very good no we will never get away with that we will get a bad score but that is bringing in the the language thing again yeah yeah let us just throw that away and start again yeah yeah okay which reminds we have fixed the score problem have we well yeah cause yeah c cause it was through the rotational part 0 yes at the the percentage score right yeah yeah so our yes rather than the number of penalties or or something no the the score w is fine was the percentage overlap and that made the score ye that is that is the way it is worked out yeah that is when i left but the problem was to do with the m the p they had a relative and absolute piece and it is all to s to the symmetry of that 0 yeah well do you know which which which which one was the top right yeah but that is all been fixed so as long as it is defined fine that is that is that is back yes yep it was not it was not a bug it it it was a do not tell me it was a feature well no no yes it was something that had to be defined and the dutch lot did not it was them just doctor forgetting to define an attribute they had to alright yeah 0 okay so that was it was actually their their fault well whi which is probably a documentation fault right yeah i mean i am 0 so but it is not clear enough in the documentation i have th i have yeah it is it is in the documentation yeah yeah but it is like 2 thirds of the way down a quite a long page but i it it is quite fundamental and causes quite immediate problems if you do not know about it but the right yeah so not prominently flagged yep exactly okay yep yeah a communication flaw but okay so we can now that is now just lovely and there will not be any crazy scores anymore yeah is there a y yeah well while we are on past things is there anything else you want to tell us about the prior part of this which is the you know what else is he holding you up from or 0 we are well we yeah we should should go back to the beginning the camtasia was tested last week and initially we were a bit worried because in the old version it seemed to interfere with it 0 i have to use a new page huh but when you when craig re compiled it and did his new version it started wor wor it seems to work fine yeah right yeah so it does not slow down the eye tracker it does not do anything nasty so we we p so we pay for it and nothing we can tell no no the the the there is there is very small graphical bugs no but it is it is not it is not big thing it is like couple of white pixels in the course of a in the course of a the course of a task so it is there is distracting nothing important and noth nothing big enough they are going to look at it right no no alright so the last i think i am sorry you know i had as assorted emails from you and i was probably did not catch everything the problem was that there are 2 camtasia records yes there will now have to be 2 camtasia records because e each person actually sees a different screen because of the gaze feedback they do not see their own gaze they do not see their own gaze to the other person they see the 0 only the other guy is gaze right yep yeah so there will need to be 2 separate camtasia videos generated yeah yeah i know 0 do you need 2 copies of camtasia to do that hopefully we will not huh huh you mean officially or yeah but then the que the que the question is there a license for camtasia where you just need one editing c thing and 2 recording things cause yeah the r the recording yeah the recording thi pro program is just quite a it is quite a small program they just general it just generates the video and so i do not know do not know if it is worth having a look at the licensing for that just to see okay i mean yeah i had not thought about the i was assuming we would just get one and one license both of us so you are going to look into this right check out suppose technically we should have 2 because it will be 2 machines well y c look at the license conditions it might not i suspect that it will it will be per machine i would think i c i never pre judge licenses until i have read em okay i i will have a yeah i will have a l a look at the actual camtasia license so we the other thing we are we so well and hold on before we get go any further so this has implications for data storage right because w it means we have got well no this is 3 times right cause we have got 0 no it cause it is now twice twice the size of a we are going to build we are going to use javascript to build the videos on the fly right cause it is fast so the the permanent storage is just the camtasia stuff yeah so is that a problem where are we putting things is there is there such a thing as you know dual track video because you can certainly mix things what ideally one wants one does not really want to l to have these things because we are using them for back up and for coding we do not really want to play them independently 0 we can we can put em in the same thing right we do almost always want to use them in exactly in parallel time aligned you can dump em into one video frame if you do not mind losing resolution but that is maybe a problem right because well the other problem is camtasia has to be manually launched on both machines separately so the synchronization is going to be a problem yeah what are we doing for synchronization otherwise during the task there is a flash and a bleep 0 i mean not during the task before for each task yeah before the task yes okay so that we would have to re align them we could not dump them from their start points yes well maybe you could the thing that you are dumping them onto just starts running with the flash and the bleep you turn on the 2 copies whenever at different times but they are still no is the what what i th what are they i do not really understand the the parts that are operating here camtasia y yeah 2 videos are turning on there is no time stamp that comes from some common source but no they are they are on 2 s the 2 separate machines and the you you start and end them separately no the they they are not talking to each other they are just recording you start it recording and it starts recording what is on one screen right and you start the other recording on the other machine right so and they are they are totally separate okay they do not know about the other one these are ba these are back ups right so the flash get allows you to hand synchronize them later if you need to by stripping extra video off the front right is there a div as long as you make sure you start em before the flash then you are fine yep yep but it will there is a a cost of having to go to back up which is synchronizing them so they will include things like the the eye tracker calibration right which is not a bad thing actually yes because sometimes you want to go back and find out if this was just a particularly duff subject yeah see how how long it took them actually that is that is true how long did it take them to calibrate right yeah or yeah and hand every time we re calibrated the damn thing slipped yeah how many t how many times before the validation worked or something yeah that is true 0 okay that actually helps so you so you should start the camtasia really early then i i mean that ni right well it at the moment the that is what i was assuming on on on doing that it is done 1st yep right okay right no they that actually saves you hours trying to make somebody is data smooth out when it will not because yeah you go back and actually yes they were crap is not that the answer that is a technical term that is a a technical categorization in psychological research yeah yes the other thing we were getting sorted out was the the microphones cause only one of the camtasia videos will actually have the soundtrack and that is because we are just getting we have got one cable and to the 2 mics i suppose we can do it is it would it be worth splitting it well we need sound we we need real sound recording right that is that is 2 track that is stereo yeah so the at at at the moment it is ins well what we have finally just at 120 clock today looks like we have got it sussed is to get one channel one microphone being the left channel and one being the right channel to merge into a stereo single file alright huh huh unfortunately the on one machine on w on what sorry on one of the the display p c s con yeah the camtasia v video 00 it is or m m multi media thing on camtasia that is not where you are putting it i mean u that is our only sound record yeah yes well okay you have got the proper sound record but you are not dumping it through camtasia to record it right it it is you are yep it is camtasia that is recording it what before we were going to use camtasia at all what well what we were going to do what were we going to do with the sound huh yeah so ha wou is there any sound degradation that comes about from putting this through camtasia rather than running it out straight how good is it yeah have to really question no you got you yeah you got exactly the same access to sound quality as you got from anythi anything else on the windows so you can you decide whatever quality you want so got a bit of okay so what you are planning on doing it is bunging it on one of the camtasia tracks and then splicing it off the camtasia track it is an easy bit of yeah and then you are going to bung it on the other camtasia track too if you need it right and then then they can do sound analysis on that but we will just we are going to store all 3 separately then and the sound is going to start at the same time as one of that arbitrary one of the camtasia videos but you will know when the real experiment you will know the relationship between that and the eye tracker timings yeah because the the synchronization the audio and vi the audio visual synchronization comes at a specific point in the eye track file yeah no human intervention required it is time stamped no it is yeah th it is i i sta stamped into it so it is just after just after it prints the line starting experiment yeah i will i am pretty sure it is just yeah yeah yep but ho hold on do we need that i mean it i i thought the way that tim had this set up originally the audio w the time stamps used there would be joint time stamps between the audio and the eye tracker so that you know the audio record 10 seconds in was the same as 10 seconds into the eye tracker record so that we did not have to do any extra hand work you know any chopping the starts of audio signals to get there was nothing okay so we are relying on your matlab script to get us the chopped version of the audio right well the well the matlab script bas just sa just says yeah gi gi gives you the times of the audio beep in the s in the signal right so we can either adjust the eye trai track data or we can actually chop the audio signal to take off the 1st whatever however many seconds so i just 0 okay yeah right so we there is going to be a way to sooner or later to align the eye track camtasia one camtasia 2 with 2 sound channels yeah yeah but but d the lining up the camtasia 2 is going to take we w he is working on a matlab script for the sound but not for so the one that has got the sound on it right that will also tell you where to chop the video to get it to line up the one that does not have the sound on it it will not ah the bleep we will find 0 so it is just got the bleeps 0 yeah 0 okay so w no hand synchronization required at all as long as the scripts work right yeah kay how confident are you about the finding these things pretty confident but you you have you have seen them it it was it was so we just have to w hope we do not have an any subjects with the odd vocalizations right yeah yeah i do not see him with 10 he kilohertz right right they they also tend to have a funny funny shape beeps so yeah yeah okay yeah cause this this is the drop out test yep okay yeah is there an end signal when you decide it is all over does it ping you back and yeah the the the there is a signal at the start and the end of every trial yeah yeah right okay so so when you have when you have pressed we are finished it pings back at you yep yep okay it is just that all kinds of crazy things happen when you are running things and so up saving a percentage of a trial is sometimes a good i you know being able to do that is sometimes a good idea okay 0 yeah yes it is a stereo jack it is a stereo jack i know but so you g you got a solution for that then but it is a mono but it is a mono microphone mono mono recording on microphones line in sp going going through a line in 0 right okay so it is a so it is a lit so it is quieter because it is not as though it is not powered yeah but it is still think yeah we we still pick up a signal can w you are sure there is not a better solution that involves yeah can we do can we do something better than that like having cause you know people might want to use this for speech recognition or something yeah you never know if it is the data is there then yeah i mean it is it is crazy we are in an anechoic room which we specially yeah built an anechoic you know but you know sound room which we specially built for this yeah and you are going to want forced alignment we are d in good circumstances we should not screw it up more than we have to is there anything we can do to improve this yeah 0 no yeah no well no no no no better to collect and sort do you have a powered microphone or something well the the when they are they are the the they have batteries in them well it is the mono but i there is not does not but does not seem to be powered because the because the line in input is so low wait wait w i i thought the sol that a better solution was fixing this problem with the mono microphone socket right sound card so you said the problem was the m it the m m i is expecting a mono microphone input the so the sound the sound the s that the line is stereo the input is mono right is that what you said well the yeah the the yeah the the the the jack that is that it is plugged into is stereo right is ah but when you plug in when it is recording from microphone it records in mono so is that fixable like is there any way yeah that is somewhere in the sound card and yeah a new sound card is fixable i think a new sound card sounds a better solution than monkeying about with trying to filter white noise out yeah als think we we have a well i suppo i suppose it well one th one thing you do is re is record the sou speech signal separately for each for each person but then you would have to pull the 2 pull the 2 sounds together which is not hard yep but hi but it is only got one input right so if so if i i if each machine recorded its own with a recorded the recorded like the the p th the the user on that one its own track its own video you have to align the videos anyway right yeah i i believe it is easy to put 2 monos into a stereo signal yeah 0 they yeah and then the so the yeah so th yeah it is easy yeah easy well i am not the technical person who would do it so if if nothing if nothing else you h if nothing else you can do it in a matlab script but i know who to ask you just write read read file one read file 2 yeah yeah and then you just yeah so is there any reason why we wou do not do that yeah but then the the the matlab the matlab script will tell you how l it will tell you how far apart they are but it is the same as cause you can do you can just measure the drift between the 2 of them cause you got a l you got a list of where the where the beeps are and then you say right this stream is like i do not know nought 25 seconds behind the other one says robin thinking about cutting and splicing yeah yeah yeah okay well it is in the old days we probably would have want a little if they had been in the same room we would have had a little stereo thing in the background as backup as well just to make sure cause it is slightly dicier you know if his scripts do not work then you do not get the overlap yeah i want to see several of them i want to see i want to see one of them look really nice before we start running subjects can we do that it does not have to be a real trial yeah it just has to be 2 guys talking in the 2 bits yes that is right and then i just want to know it works the way you expect it to work this is not a a gesture of mistrust this is just experience that if anything can screw up it will yeah we have both been so badly bitten in the past i i am trying to choose my language carefully because we are being recorded but you will hear more choice language at the point when we have all done a lot of work and and then we discover we can not use the session because of some thing we did not think about yeah right yeah but this this sounds reasonable to me so then i so i think yeah right and then then we combine do do they both have the same sound card problem i would not count on it they have both got the same sound card okay so yeah yeah yeah yeah cause cause cause it is probably worth mentioning this to the to the guys in the garage in toronto right to say yes yeah so the the external version has got plugs that size and that that is stereo microphones huh right but yeah the other one is plug is like the smaller size and that is not stereo so the color the color can do it 0 it is just that the connectors on the the connectors at the back of the computer can not well yeah i think tell the guys i think that is a if the documentation said it w could record in stereo then i think we should talk to them about how they have done this is you are not sure from the documentation what it says it can do to yeah yeah yeah but as as far far as we can and find the the web site of the yeah the the creative labs web site and the review of it and they were not entirely clear but they both suggested that it is there is a mono that there there is a mono microphone yeah yeah yeah it is just the way they wired it so it is getting late and i have got a 20 clock and i have got a nice lunch right okay so i want to eat my lunch today what did you want to get through today more okay i mean i think i think it was useful going through your expectations about this cause that is quite a bit clearer in my head at least and but i think mostly we leave you to go away and re design the g d f or add new bits to the g d f along these lines yeah i am yeah so and basically out the output the g d f is just going to be a whole series of events you know with start and end time and then w yeah right and the event is going to have whatever all whatever the object is that is being looked at and things right okay and then yeah and then it is a matter of we are going to put whatever filters you need after that so you can say right right i just want so you can say from the time where they picked up triangle one to the part time it became part of the assembly find out how it is how m percentages of time they were looking at it or whatever right right okay so when you i mean given that there are these events recorded we can use any of them as the beginning of any of them as a start point for example right there are also motions being recorded of objects yep so yeah right so you got mo yeah yeah yeah yeah there there is move events there is look events there is fixations and blinks now at the moment as well right and yeah and 0 yeah and see looks at looks at objects and looks whatever else so s okay but i think the thing to do is for you to go away and think about it this way with the different tracks for the different objects and the the kinds of things we have added about whether they are looking at the other person is gaze and what have you and and try to change the spec so it it reflects this and maybe 0 maybe by that point there will be some sample data or something and the right thing to do is for us to look at the sp the spec the way you understand it now and some data yep yep and then ellen will have new ideas about what is needed or about these post analyzes you know the and then and we can add em in right yeah yeah yeah i will so i am right but it is going to emerge over time i mean that is clear that that that is great i i would before we break up for lunch i just want to make sure that tha that i know how long it is going to be before we are in run mode okay so the sound thing the sound thing is stands in our way we need to be recording sound online 0 so the spec to the other conversation yeah okay so that is a thing that has to be solved the shape thing is solved yeah that is that is solved now we think yeah test we believe we have to test right so that is that that that should be done this week yep in fact like tomorrow for example the shape all the shape problems are solved generating shapes no problem scoring shape overlap no problem nothing is problem there there are no visual display problems well you do not have your models or do you yeah they had their they had their inspection last week j p staggered away from it and ah yeah yeah well anything you actually need fixed you know yep okay s joe does not live here anymore right so well i but he was not going to be booking any time to us after the 31st of october so that that means that any bugs that need fixed are now craig is responsibility right you do not know have any change on that right okay fair enough i have not i have not had any discussions with him since cause he that is what he said to us originally so i would assume you know no more contact with joe it is not fair to get work out of somebody for free so you know ask craig instead okay well he is ph he is physically here yeah if we want to pay him for some more time we can do that would that be a just better use of our time in get i do not think yeah well w he was not paid in advance he is being paid in arrears so it does not matter right i think it is but m he he he is around and i believe and if if the if i if it is a i think it is better to have all the software i mean it is not big things it is just maintenance at this program at this and right but if if everybody has a lot to do and you know joe could give it a couple of hours which i is what it might take just to fix it then let us do it because starting run time is now getting to be fairly urgent yeah i if he can give it you know like because the problem is you got to have an immediately when you discover a bug in that and we can make craig shift all his other priorities to do this cause we bought him right right right but we can not we can not make joe do this ec alright yeah so it is a kinder way so there is some trade off between availability and speed from start to finish given that this is somebody else is code it yeah yeah so you know but it sounds like you do not think there is anything that actually needs fixed at the moment well yeah yeah because w we only need this to work well enough that you can use it for something and you got work rats right so we are we are b we are building models so right we are we and how many models do you need to completion and how long does that take we have the design somewhere and you got well and you know about complexity you are waiting on marloes okay you can cold call her today this afternoon yeah i think so cause i have to check back with with j p fairly soon okay he wanted to kn the 18 the next 18 month plan great deliverables great progress with the experiment well that is what we are doing now okay so what do we think if you have a fairly hectic week are we looking for subjects next week okay ads go up yeah i do i do but i think ad should probably go up this week we want people for n for next week is that okay is anybody now terrified at the thought that we are live next week there are people coming in here one after another or p 22 after 2 more likely that is her job yeah yeah okay is the is this is this generalized is this generalized anxiety robin come on or do you have a specific thing that okay yeah so aside from the usual angst which we all suffer when we go live so we w we want to do some piloting at the end of the week yep right yeah so we will we will get we will get the get the audio stuff tested you know single microphones yeah get that tested next couple days and i assu i assume that is not something you need me for t in terms of that okay right s right 0 yeah she is using but she is actually relaxed that somewhat okay yeah ostensibly booked time which is not so you can dash in there for half an hour at a time does not sound very useful for you huh okay well okay we have but we have we have a solid booking for all the mornings anyway you guys sort it out right and l except by permission of us alright we own it so we can change that i mean they everybody acknowledged the the other week that we that we had priority right but it would be kind to tell her ahead of time which of your morning sessions you are bumped 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah 0 yeah yeah yeah 0 yeah yeah do not worry there is there is a booking system right so it is public what is booked and what is not i thought that was the problem that your mornings were not sliced off on the booking system okay no alright maybe w should get on there and book mornings as far as the eye can see alright huh cause you know i if you are sa told use the booking system yeah just a well we think we spoke to all the people who who used those facilities the other day but we could be wrong so huh yeah right and what are the instr what are the people upstairs downstairs have i you know as rules about who you hand the keys to well the 2 key holders are here cause you know we like people to know to ground the 0 i thought the the lending for the booking system caroline 0 i see from caroline or the general office the general office see cause you are supposed to have training in i see but no they need a they need an account on this machine to actually to use it they need account on these machines so that they could book 0 okay so that is the safety they could not actually log in and you control those accounts 0 okay that is fair enough okay okay we are also working on a way of making sure that the matin that the machines return to 0 state when they are when you come off them huh yeah that is safer because the it is the people have been leaving var well people have been leaving various bits of who knows what around on them cause then they learn the 1st time right which which we think is what is critical yeah yeah okay i really have to get out of here okay so what else is important before you run nothing right piloting piloting piloting you have we have to build the things you got willing heads we have to try the machi th things we have to check them with marloes and j p that they like the representation the variables right how about you have any time on friday 0 i do not think i brought my diary up but maybe i get a email back why maybe you and i should be the pilot subjects 1st pilot subjects the ones who know which questions we want to ask and then we should get another pair who are naive to the whole thing okay so okay yeah this is generalized floating anxiety no no it is it is it is wisdom but yeah well because actually we can i mean you know if we make comments they feed back in a lo into the development so do you know what time of day you might want cause i should c i should check that okay you do not you do not need me involved in the pilot do you so well unle unless unless it is a bug report yeah you all have to b you will have to be there to when it falls over i will w yeah w i will i will i will b i will be around but yeah i will make sure but ho hopefully it will run smoothly and yeah i can relax yeah so okay so that all sounds f good fun well i can just leave you guys here you know why not" ]

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[ "data man you know yeah i want everything and then i will decide what i want so this was that face to face meeting okay but it it does not there is not so there are things in the i tracker record that we definitely do not want in the gdf format like the frame rate eye movement you know we are we are expecting the gdf format to be sort of a parsed version of events and you know there is just too much raw frame rate stuff coming out of this you would not probably you would not want it in this kind of format for translation to the other things yeah we can get back to it we can always get back to it we are not actually throwing anything away we are not throwing anything away this is just the stuff jig this at some finer yeah mech method we will still have the original and a method of yeah but the way to think of this is this is the data that we want to be able to analyze against the other of data so the data that we want to compare with the language or with whatever and so as long as the format in which we pick it up is a format which could be generalized to find or take because the worst thing that can ever happen to you is you discover that you have done huge amounts of analysis and you actually had the data but you threw it away because you treated it so grossly yeah okay so in essence what you would then do is whatever we should be able to backtrack and say okay instead of every 2nd 2nd every 10th of a 2nd or some such thing but well we are not doing frame rate at any frame for well maybe we are i do not know i had thought we were yeah the i tracker does but right what the kinds of events that we had before talked about putting into the record for then use in alana and nxt is not based on saying every x seconds something you know give me what is happening every x seconds it is more like you know give me the fixations and the what needs to know the duration of these things right yeah 0 yeah durations are there but it is not there is a difference between saying that something is in a particular state every frame whatever the frame rate is you know 10 seconds a minute you know that is one kind of way of looking at data and a parsed version of the data which is not at any particular length it relies on this really close frame rate so there is no real time there is only events what i am trying to figure out is whether we have thrown time away no no the time is still in there but you will get what you want is to figure out what are the concepts behind that data that you want represented so rather than saying the eye was at this particular place you know here and then a 10th of a 2nd later here and then a 10th of a 2nd later here you say there was a fixation from this time to that time and there was blink from this time to that time okay so one of the formats in which eye tracker data is data is analyzed is percentage of time spent on some target as opposed to some competitor over the 1st 2nd after some event so you actually have to show at some time slice rate where the eye was on the same target as the other guy a similar target what we would both been dealing you know so we have to we have all the parts the interesting parts of the screen identified and be able to show distribution of gaze over time all right now we could be really unlucky and somebody would expect us to do that at the real frame rate but i think that is really unlucky but my point is that we must not throw away or lose the capacity of being able to deliver that kind of data so there is 2 issues here we are not throwing anything away but the question is what tool would you use to get that information out of the data would you be so the more you can plan so typically the eye will move right so over any 12nd the eye is actually fixed on a bunch of different things and so when you say the eye was on this from here to here what is going to happen is that if you use the real frame rate it is going to jiggle all over the place it is going to be on this landmark it is on this object that object this fixed thing that fixed thing okay you are going to get lots and lots of stuff and it is percentage distribution that you are going to want it is not i went here i you know it is not like a person walking i went here i stayed here it is more like a fly hovering so you need to know the percentage of time it was on during that fixation because if you take them as separate events you get 1000s of separate events yeah but the sort of start and end times will give you that output and then you just measure against you know against bigger frames yeah the cumulative total timer okay so the percentage is a cut it is not something you are using for measurement it is a cutoff for whether or not it counts as a fixation well that is the problem there are 2 ways of doing it one is that there is always a cutoff there is always a cutoff right but the other is that there will be a time span a kind of reaction to some event span yes a lag in some of it i suppose there is the saccadic movement itself and so i mean there are really 2 ways of looking at this one would like to know for example the percentage of time overall in which 2 people are looking at the same thing and one would like to know sequences of they did not look at the same thing and then they broke it or they did look at the same thing and then they did or did not you know one could imagine those 2 categories that is a kind of testing of our hypotheses but there is a certain amount of dues you pay to the way they do things in the literature to get your papers published and one of the things they will want to know is an event series after some critical event what percentage of time is given to looking where the other guy is looking and what percentage of time over some reasonable time span of a couple of seconds so they will want to see the gaze settling on particular incidents on particular places so we have to be able to deliver those 2 things and there are rather different demands right it should still all come out the little sketch i asked this for last week about nxt and whether it would have that sort of tiered effect so you could see the overlap of where one person is looking compared to the other in their mouse movements and things yeah that should because all you want to know is whether they were looking at the same object in the period after because it is also based on the time course of the procedure you will be able to basically get the scan path of the pattern of events from that as well can we draw it to make sure that this is satisfying ellen is concerns i did not have it well there is a whiteboard right we love this thing see if the pens work so this is a is eyes right and b is eyes and i think what you are saying you should until we draw this right is that they you know if from this time to this time they are looking at triangle one what you are saying is that you want to know in the critical you want to know after they are looking at triangle one what is happening in this period with the sky right or how let us imagine a typical construction event okay okay there is some part there are separate movable parts on the screen ready for use right there may be or not a construction already begun somebody makes the 1st move there is some kind of communication either gestural imaginary or verbal that plans how we are going to do it before that happens the person who speaks is going to do some kind of visual scanning they are speaking or communicating in some way the other person may or may not be looking where they are looking okay they may be overlapping gaze at particular objects which are of interest let us call it the the construct existing construct which could be 0 all right or the the addendum the thing which is next going to be added next piece okay now in neither case when you draw this he is looking at triangle one what you are actually drawing you know for the period of time in which he is steadily looking at triangle one is going to be very very short right because staring fixedly without interruption blink or saccad is an extremely short of end at that point it will have lumped all the individual fixations as long as it does not move off that triangle together that is fine gaze time so it is in a region it is in a region that is a target in the target region but even so you are likely to get bouncing in and out of the region right so even so you want to look at if we are interested in how long before the construction move takes place how much of the time they spend looking at the same thing let us call that our measure of alignment so they are going to be yeah that is right a is going to be on triangle one and various other places that is right and b okay and we are going to look at the percentage of that time where they are both in the same region right so what i want to make sure is that we do not simplify do you know what i mean temporarily simplify too much yeah i mean as long as we are because then you lose percentage is not it yeah there should not be anything right and so b has some periods of looking at one which will also be intermittent yeah yeah so you know he might get triangle one there and no maybe this one is going to overlook quite a bit yeah so what you want to do is be able to define bigger periods which is the period when they are sort of interested in triangle one overall right this is sort of some metal level analysis if we have an event at that yeah the 2nd line then for the 2nd before it and then we can just take that chunk out and do something with it yeah but that is not something that you can do in the nxt query language but you can not do that in any you know this is such special purpose but it is easy enough given the data format for any of these things to do that so you can do it on because it is just a matter of the hard part is deciding how close together these have to be before you decide that this is an event that you want to pull out because you know algorithmically you are already putting together i mean this is essentially already you know these fixations with stuff in between in between and you know we have got an algorithm for deciding when that is a look i guess you already have that or no well it is just based on a stable fixation for so long or something crossing into that region 0 yeah yeah so it is all fixations these are all fixations and saccades but within the yeah so that is easy enough so the hard thing is they could be moving their eye arbitrarily here right and you know maybe even having fixations on other things yes yes because for example for part of that time both b and a are probably looking at the construct if your intention is to move the red triangle to sit on top of the thing already constructed you would tend to look back and forward so this is and we should be able to yeah but what you need to do is we can already build into this gdf format these regions if you can give a definition of what you think that is but i think the right way to do this is to be able to inspect the data in some tool and play around with the definitions because you will not get it right the 1st time yeah sure so the question would be under what tool should we be looking at these events and ilan is a reasonable choice for that right what you need is something well no because you need to i do not know you need to be able to see the effects of this so i guess this is a case of craig writing some scripts so robin having some ideas about what the relationship is and saying you know add this data automatically i mean it is not that hard right it is just there will be a bunch of these you will have some rules about maybe how long you spend on other objects and whether the other object is the existing construction or not right right so essentially there is this is ae is divided into tr one and c and other stuff where c is the construct the existing thing right so if they had a fixation on c you would not be worried but if they had fixation on well no i mean we would take a separate we would look at the percentage time i mean i have no idea because i do not know how people look when they are building things together okay so there is the addendum and the existing construct and i do not know whether they are going to spend more time looking at one or the other but if they are whatever it is that one is looking at it if the other is looking at the same place they are in good shape but you know they are going to look at the clock yeah sure sure and they are going to look at they may look at completely irrelevant that is what the diagonal stripes are for that is true but we can one of the things we will be doing is categorizing people i take it or interactions by the amount of time people spend looking at the clock we would expect that if we put people under time pressure they will look at the clock a lot more but that is like a separate analysis right sure it is a separate analysis but you do not want to throw it away right so you can define if all of these things are actually categorized by the eye tracker as to where the eye is you should be able to pull out any interesting category and say all right for this phase it is tr one or c for this phase it is sq one or c but what we find what we can get out of the data easily at the moment is at this kind of level right and then it is a case of defining algorithmically all these are the transformations that you want so this is one we had not thought of adding before but we should right which is well how would you decide whether something was the current addendum you have to actually transcribe the thing or watch the film for the line so that is a human decision yeah absolutely yeah so once you have got that sort of information well you have got the gdf format you then filter it to say right between time x in time way they are constructing they are adding triangle one to the construct and then you just say in that time period what potentially they look at triangle one what percentage are they looking at the construct does that sound reasonable the addendum and the construct should be you know kind of they change their true identity but they are categories of stuff now my kind of assumption was that this was j p land that is what he was really interested in was the kind of coding which would define the building sequence okay so and the and maybe he wants to think about that more and say well there were several candidates for the addendum all right and and it was the negotiation of which candidate was going to be the right candidate that is actually the interesting stuff so i should talk to him about this he is he is actually but we emailed me with a with a list of things he wants to discuss at length so but we believe jp to be defining that maybe well this is my question for him is he going to define this kind of building sequence in a way that we can get out or see so i mean you know they have been working on construction there for a while so maybe that they have a coding system that is ready to go and we should just apply it yeah okay they do a lot of sub assembly the tasks they have been doing so they may well have a i could believe them you know taking an interest in that let us find out i mean the general division was language here and other stuff there right right so i have understood it right i do not know i will just admit it back i mean actions might mostly be theirs right but since we have the eye tracker we are going to have to answer their questions 0 yeah eye tracker here yeah i mean we know that but so they will tell us something about that but presumably what you piously hope is happens here is what happened with transactions right the verbal analysis and the visual analysis give you the same breaking points the same chunking points well yeah but i mean with transaction coding on something like this you would use you would not consider it verbal analysis exactly it would be verbal plus action well i mean but it is a task breakdown it is just a secondation it is a task breakdown but for the verbal version there are ways of announcing that now we are doing a new one right yeah but you would not have you would not do 2 codings for task level one no you would not do transaction coding one of the things one of the things you would like to establish you know as an as an outcome of this is that you could analyze either end and you would get the same chunking of the material i i do not think that is realistic because i think what you would actually do is use the full record of what you have and do a segmentation i think it would be hard to understand what was going on if you use like just the language without which in the video to decide whether we are breaking down the task it is a hypothesis 0 you do not want to be coding based on that though and then that is a seems a strange way to go about things i mean the language events are multimodal right you know they are doing all these things together they are doing these things together but one of the things that one could imagine doing is having the transcription there and just play it back to a bunch of captive undergraduates why do you care whether they stop and start whether they can do it just based on the language because essentially you are looking at cycling sequences and discourse and if the discourse tells you what is going on that is information i mean one of the questions is how the information is going to be shared across these media and if you can get it all out of the speech you know if all of the chunking is available when there is speech okay then it is carrying a lot of the burden well it seems to me much less important than the other things one could get out of this data but i you know but this is but it is a possibility we have not looked at data like this with our old fashioned analyzes you know and it would be really nice to know that that much information that chunking of the task information is being carried by the language because jp is question the overriding question is so what is language for people are busy interacting all the time and all of our colleagues do not even bother to control for whether people are talking to one another when they are doing these joint tasks because it seems to them to be irrelevant because language is irrelevant it would actually be nice to demonstrate that in a place where we are controlling whether you have language or not you can get the entire chunking of the task out of the language yeah well i can see maybe wanting to know whether you can do the chunking just based on the actions without the language in cases where they use both it is more i can not quite see why it is important to know that they can do it just based on the language when you know that they have both because you know it is a self contained system as opposed to a system which can not be interpreted without the other system huh well i think that one is just bound to fail almost all studies on language claim that language is a self contained system which will give you everything you need to know really that is the claim okay all right anyway i did not say it was true i said that is the claim and so it is worth testing so back to this main problem which is you know the record that we are getting in the 1st instance is about these you know they are looking at some region of the screen defined dynamically and then we need some way of knowing what the you know the you know they are looking at some region of the screen defined dynamically what the you can you can see adding these other analyzes about you know they are they are jointly focused on this region and trying to figure out what percentage of time they are looking at it as adding new tiers of information to either the elan track or nxte they are both sort of track based in this way but the hard part is knowing how you want to do that and i think in the 1st instance what we are trying to get into the gdf format is just this and then we have got no option but to figure out a way for like to look at this just explore this data suggest ways about doing it and be able to play them back and see when we think we have got these things right i do not think we even know what the set of these things are that we want much less how to get them yet and we will not establishing the full set will take as much of the project yeah that is right so this is not you know this is something we are aiming for but this is not something that affects what craig programs for the initial gdf translation fine my only concern as i said when i barged in was just to make sure that we did not lose the things that we might need to pick up later yeah so let us just return to this question a frame rate because this is the thing we were not planning to transfer into this format so again you know a frame rate kind of coding can again be seen as a track but it says it is coding like this right where you say it is state a state b state c state a but since the definitions of the thing we are looking at are the ones which get rid of the lower level like jiggling around in the area of a particular object right so if we are moving the green triangle we have defined a region which is dynamically the green triangle wherever it is we will jiggle around in there but it does not matter where we are in there that is beneath our level of analysis right so you are happy that it is not going to have framework this it is going to have an interpretation like this well that interpretation is definable to frame rate by the only way we are going to use frame rate what does that mean sorry well i mean because i can say for how many frames this fixation went is officially defined so as long as it is not an untimed event yeah all events have a start time and the end time so it is you know it is fine i can say it is a long one or it is a short one it is 20 milliseconds more than that one it seems to me that alan is concerns might mean we need to add more information to these tags because this thing in itself is a bunch of fixations right with saccades so things like fixation the number of fixations and the percentage of time those fixations cover you might want yeah with some measure of the so we could work out the number of fixations that made and the average fixation duration as well because having long steady fixations can be informative and so number of fixations percentage of this is not a leading question this is a question question why would that be informative particularly if they are holding their if there is less dancing around the cognitive focus tends to be in one sort of part so there is a difference between if they even though they are still looking the same part if they are looking around it rather than just holding it their geese steady on it so you think that for example if they are looking at one or another apex of a triangle it would just make a difference that we are exploring the thing as opposed to they were simply all right there is there it is okay so that really means that we are not throwing away absolute fixations no i would not want to throw out screen location of absolute fixations but the actual location no no this is still summary data we are talking about just adding attributes to these things that say the number of fixations that counted as that looking at triangle one right so it is possible out of it so i thought i understood you to mean exploring the figure because your fixation is a point and the figures are bigger than points so you could be exploring the figure or you could be just somewhere in the region defined as the figure but not on it well yes but that probably is not going to be easy to get out because they have to break up the parts so you just want to know the variability of the fixation and would not that differ from person to person yes it can do but it is also looking at it within their own behavior okay so it is the number of different different things of different spots within that region where the eye has fixed i would say just the number of fixations the number of different yeah the spots will be different anyway you are not going to have the same pixel so we have the option that we can put in an a fixation thing here right as well if you want the smaller if you want the smaller coding in here so that it is not just parsed into this idea of which object but you also have the raw fixation data we can put that in as a little another track if you think that that is something that you might want to look at in one of these tools that shows you the tracks against each other well all i understood you to ask for was the duration yeah that is all he asked for yeah well i think we have got everything then i suppose it is you can come back you can always yes it is you are not throwing anything away then yeah and in nxt there is no cost right because the you just do not choose to load those all we are doing is dumping it is output that you can load if you choose to you know so if the things that you just know are crazy and you are not going to want then we do not do it but otherwise we go ahead and dump them because it is easy to dump up the fixations yes so it is the number of different fixations okay so it is the number of fixations well actually do you want the average duration or do you want the number of different ones the number but duration things will somehow whether it is the average one or duration of each fixation in the region not each well if it is each you have to you have to break it down into another tier right you can not you can say there were 3 fixations and they averaged a certain time but you do not want to the average should be all right well what about the the overall sum of the durations is that i mean which way do you want a number of fixations in the average thing yeah then that is that is the way you want it that way around yeah so that is a measure of jiggle in the region roughly and did you want percentage of time fixated as opposed to which is sort of another movie you have this number you can have as many of these should be you should be able to derive that presumably yeah well it is not the the extra cost of having these as attributes is not high so you know it saves you having to do write scripts to do arithmetic on it later if you know that these are numbers that are going to be useful to you what is our error of measurement on location on the screen so to what degree do we actually know whether the 2 little eyes little circles are exactly in the same place or just somewhere in the same region it can vary a bit depending on the calibration but if we are building in a sort of error margin it will be some pixels around but there will also be a minimum one because i am trying to think it is probably the small the actual mouse icon is so small small it will need a slightly larger just because it is yeah okay right sort of a larger area or margin around it okay so my question was going to be all right the mouse is a dynamic object right the eye track is a dynamic object or is it only the piece that the other person is eye track is on that is an object in this definition no the other person is gaze position is a is an object okay with some with plus or minus something or other yeah around it some circular area okay and so you can be on the object but not on the other person is gaze so there can be a triangle which has a is gaze in the center and your gaze actually happens to be here yes you are in the triangle region but not looking at their end of the center individual but they probably will avoid looking directly if they are looking directly at it it is obscuring the part but it is directly at it when these 2 in this situation when these 2 overlap right like this yeah so that is kind of that is because the diagram we have got out there suggesting that they are only looking at one thing at time so whether it is triangle or whatever else so what you suggest in there is they can be looking at the triangle and maybe a mouse pointer and maybe an eye at the same time okay well it would come up it would say yes right i mean because they would be in the same place so if you are going to have dynamic regions which overlap one another by definition if the mouse is on the construct the most of the parts right well those are different tracks of information so what you want is one track of information about which object it is on what about whether or not it is on the other guy is gaze and what about whether it is on one of the mouse positions we treat those as other objects but the difference between them and the parts of the thing to be constructed is that they are allowed to overlap with other things and nothing breaks okay yeah but in the analysis you should treat those as completely separate tracks of information because they can be looking at they could look simultaneously at somebody is mouse somebody is gaze and some object right yes as opposed to simply looking at somebody is gaze when the mouse is not also there and you want to know those things so these are independent right they are independent dynamic objects so what we want is whether they are looking at the other person is gaze right and say they are in this period well i mean okay so a definition of we are all looking at it and touching the same thing so imagine that we have just added a piece to the construct all right so now that is the construct and both mouse symbols are on it right and both gazes are on it right so at that point you should have a lineup of a is on the construct a is on the mouse a is on a is mouse a is on b is mouse a is on b is gaze and b likewise yeah okay so there is a lot of tracks here right because we just ended this fixation track and then there is a is mouse not there on is on an object right and the mouse might be on yeah but the mouse is also a triangle one dynamic object but it does not matter that is fine the mouse which is saying where is the mouse you know it is on this object and then a is eye is on well a is mouse i guess right a is i might be looking at a is mouse here a is eye might be looking at b is mouse here here right i mean these are all the different ways of taking cross products the things that could be collocated so you just treat them as independent and i am guessing from what you say and then you look for combinations of them yeah i am guessing from what you are saying you want all these tracks i think we need to yeah which is fine there is no problem with that at all looking where the other guy is directing attention and there are 2 measures of where the other guy is directing attention that you get from the visual track one is where the mouse is yeah the other is where the gaze is so you kind of got the idea here yeah yeah okay yeah so yeah so it is just a matter of adding the 2 mice pointers and the 2 gazes as extra objects so yeah as long as they have got an id in there we can just say right at this between these times they are looking at that object or they are looking at the mouse they are looking at whatever but the important thing is you do not treat the entire set as mutually exclusive and exhaustive it is just so that the objects is like a separate level of analysis whether they are looking at the objects then whether they are looking at the gates but it is also going to be the case that whatever region you define as the region of the dynamic object of the red triangle may get to the point where it overlaps the region of the dynamic object of the green square okay what do we do about that does that happen yeah because if you have them close together there is always some fuzz factor around them and so if they are left lying close together okay or in the in fact in the model not in the model in the supplies set they are actually neatly put packed into a little space okay so what you are saying is like a new problem for us which is i am going to change 2 objects close together your eye gaze can actually be looking at the left edge of one and the right edge of the other and therefore looking at 2 objects at once yeah so you are saying squeak squeak okay hey can you write on my pen pad just say yeah pens pets whiteboard pens so you are saying you know they could be looking at square one at this point because they because the 2 are so close together that their regions overlap okay that is a problem for the data models and either of the things that we are using unless we just define it as there is only they are exclusive and whichever area has the greatest overlap is what they are actually looking at what do you mean by greater distance overlap with one well but if you have got your sort of eye position and it is unlikely to be exactly 50% in one object and 50% in the other draw it my special reasoning is no good i think you are throwing information i am the one that uses the whiteboard because i actually put the microphones on what i am the thing is if you have got say one object there this is the better pen thank you part one and part 2 and you have got their sort of they are looking there huh then that overlap means they are looking at the 2 pieces simultaneously yeah but you had a way of choosing which one right yeah but it may be a bad idea there is more of it it may be a bad idea you have just thrown data away yes yeah that is a decision i am saying is if they are looking if most of what their overlap is here then we stick with that one so you just mean is it closer to the circle i mean what is the circle they are looking at a pixel or something right no that because the gaze position will be a sort of fuzzy area it will not just be a pixel it will be an actual like gaze will wobble the gaze will wobble so that is natural that is going to be it is not just a single point it is a sort of lump target so there will be a bit of a some sort of overlap or indeed they might be looking from one to another yeah you know deciding which one to choose or thinking so you do not want to decide it is only one and throw the other one out the wally gds performance is working at the moment it is actually got a separate track for each part okay well that is fine i was going to say that is the obvious way to do it 0 but that is going to be analytically because it is going to how many parts are there well it depends on what you are building there is different parts there is different parts whether you are doing the tangram or way you are doing an airplane or whatever 6 to a dozen okay the thing is if we have got a series of tracks for each part we can easily analyze it down later on i mean i think it is very likely that if people are considering if they are oscillating to us then that is presumably going to change the weight so you are actually going to see them flipping between well not if the regions overlap if they are really close to each other it is going to get foxed yeah yeah right and if you define the regions so neatly that there is you know that we are losing gaze because of jiggle outside this closely defined region when it is in the middle of space then i mean i actually like the solution however ugly it looks in terms of the data format of having a track for every possible object it is not the data format i am worried about it is the way you do the analysis because you do not want to have to say you know did they jointly look at triangle one okay did they jointly look at square one okay did they jointly look at you know you need some way of going over the whole thing but we can find ways around that i think for now we do it this way and then we think about what we need out of it in the end it is just you know in a lawn that has the side effect that if you go for the naturalistic way of up translating to alon there will be a zillion tracks and it will probably ruin their viewer because you will get very sparse data on each track it will be like the old referring expression general visualization in the map task where they talk about one object one landmark and then another line mark well it is big right yeah it is big and you do have to scroll through it to see what is going on but it gives you very clear picture of what is going on well we will see if alon likes it or not yeah well okay so we better do a test one yeah and we better also like have in the representation a list of part like even in the nxt of translation a list of parts it affects the way we do the nxt yeah well there is only list parts in the gdf so yeah that is not a problem so basically what i have got is well there is 3 places where you have got the id day so you have got an id for a part you can id for a location on the screen so that is just the target configured the clock whatever else and then we can easily add ids for the 2 mouse points and the 2 gazes and from that basically all the tracks are doing is saying between this time there is a look at this object this id so it is effectively a track for each id okay so what about the point where a part becomes the construct you still identify it as a part they do not think one should lose that well what happens there is that the 2 the existing parts basically cease to exist and a new part with a new id starts existing at the point where they are joined so every time a part is added to the construct it becomes a new part so the construct actually has say it has 6 things that are added to some initial thing so if there is just the initial thing that you put in the middle of the screen that is just the initial object as soon as you put a part there is a construct but it is construct one because when you add another part construct one ceases to exist and you get construct 2 yeah right so actually defining all of the constructs those as the construct is going to be the trickiest thing it is also going to be a problem because you are going to have one part or construct forming in the middle of a fixation right so it is not going to be quite as clear right so you are looking at triangle one right and then all of a sudden it ceases to exist and it becomes construct or assembly whatever too yeah and there could be more than one construct at a time right there is no the construct and then you can start again you can build sub sumably and then link the point start again why does it why does construct one become construct 2 when you add something to it yeah that is the way it is working at the moment because it is generating a new id when you create a new part 0 and this is because we do not want it to stay triangle one when you start with a construct it is not a construct at all it is just a one thing and we do not want triangle one to suddenly have well the problem is that all of these things are popping out of existence so do we know the difference between we broke it and it went away and it is not part of the construct yeah there is joint events so if a joint event if there is a joint event linked an item then you know it is become part of a construct can we tag the constructs with what is in them yeah the contracts are already tagged with it so there is actually a separate part of the data format which says for each construct which 2 parts made that came together to make that construct we could essentially well then we could cumulative or it is a new construct because it has a new list of a new cumulative list of parts yeah but you can still track what parts went into it right so you can still find triangle one whatever so some fancy programming is going to have to be done to say i was looking at triangle one and now i am looking at triangle one in construct one because the 1st construct was triangle one and square one yeah but that is easy it is easy to be because each construct has the ids for the things that construct it so now we have to ask whether so let us imagine this we have made a construct of 2 parts a triangle and a square and we are considering now adding something on to the side of the square that is not attached to the triangle okay are we looking at the square or are we looking at the construct yeah that was the next question i had yeah you will be looking at the construct in this step it should be looking at the construct there is not a way to figure out that you are looking at the square rather than the triangle well well yeah well the thing is we still have the xy traces from the ascii format so if you want to be able to say i am looking at the square instead of i am looking at the construct it is possible to get that data out it is it is not doing it in the jasanlad of the moment but i can easily add it to it to give that information if you want okay because i mean that is that is the example presumably that is the best example of overlapping overlapping areas because if the thing the 2 things are now about it of course there is an area which is kind of both of them okay so what i am trying to run through in my head is that we can always tell the difference between something going out of existence because it is joined a construct something going out of existence because we threw it away right suppose we pick up and we we screwed up the 1st time we put the triangle with the square and we threw it away decided we did not like it and we took another one is it triangle one is a triangle one prime or something like that it is the replacement for triangle yeah if you take if you create a new part it gets a new id so if you drag a new part out of how do i know what it replaces you do not because that is you would have to have human coding to do that yeah there might be multiple triangles that you broke and you will not know which one they are planning i am using it for this is true but if i have triangles 123 right and i throw them away any triangles i take out are to replace 123 well you know which mold they come from and so you know which shape they match but you can not possibly know which one of the ones they are meant to replace yeah i mean you know you know which one they are meant to replace but you know they are not meant to replace any that are all that are they have not been thrown away they can not replace the new parts only appear when the the previous one is broken right so the new parts are replacing those which have disappeared from the screen yes and there is no more tr one track the tr one track is gone now 0 so there is no 2 parts with the same shape 0 there are many with same sheet but not the same sheep in color 0 same shape in color right okay 0 is that true you have decided not to make all the triangles right and squares green well that is what they are at the moment 0 okay okay so you can tell what it is meant to replace them because it is the same it is just in case of the mold right yes that is the way it works at the moment i assume that is how nymegan had set it all up okay so that is back to tim is so shape plus color they are individual they are unique all the parts are unique so hang on that makes the task a little bit easier yes right tangrams are much easier when you can see all the lines yeah so it is just a construction task rather than a puzzle indeed which kind of leaves you with an obvious way of making the same task harder and easier does not it yeah yeah but that is hard to code i mean that is really a thing we might do okay so now let us make sure that the coding would survive that it is just it is a beautifully controlled situation the construction task is essentially the same it is the figuring out stuff that gets harder if everything is purple just to choose a color at random here yeah yeah so everything is purple there is then 2 triangles is not there there is 2 identical triangles in the tangram yes at the moment there are 2 i think 2 small ones and 2 large triangles they are actually the same physical size and sheep at the moment they are in different colors that also means in the new parts list they are there for 2 large triangles and 2 small ones whereas in the advised edition if they were all just plaque there would only be one mold in the new parts when you specify these things do you specify the molds or does it figure out what the molds are based on so is this hardwired into tim is program or is it just an artifact the way we yeah yeah when you specify the molds in the in the file that generates the parts we have got a list of parts the molds are based just taken out of the file that the general that best 1st place the parts right okay so how many parts that are in the file that is how many parts appear in the parts box so if you have 5 black triangles there are going to be 5 black triangles in the parts box or one if you have 5 black triangles in the parts box so what you can do in the initial configuration you can reuse a triangle so if you only want one black triangle you just create one black triangle in the parts box and then reuse that triangle 5 times in the configuration okay as long as this is possible so i mean that just is a kind of thing which is so simple so much like a single yeah same 10 variable change that it does not are existing because i am trying to kind of map this onto bowfix and bowfix has multiple yeah has multiple you know all the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the all the flat things or wood colors they can have different nuts that are well the same part the same part as different colors yeah but they do not have enough to make unique no i mean there is more than there are multiple pieces of look the same so when you say a red nut or a green bolt or a long green bolt then there will be lots of them lying around and i think that is how the robot is set up to 5 green bolts here is one i think we have gotten the point where you know to try to summarize we think tim is program can do both of these conditions that you want but i am still worried about what the effects are for analysis because you were aiming at something in the gdf format and i was not quite sure what okay so all i am doing is kind of worrying out loud about all the things that will happen that will miss by a simple view of for example regions and looking at triangle one when is triangle one not triangle one anymore so okay so i will summarize what we said about that part that every time you cast off a new part from a mold or every black triangle has a different idea identity yes and you know it is a black triangle because you know which mold it came from but you do not know which part it was intended to replace on the screen because you can not mind read that is true so how can we define the shapes that people build what do you mean define well if assuming i was for a moment i was jp and i wanted to know how they actually went about building the thing okay and i wanted to look at the strategy and i wanted to see if the strategy was different when we could talk about it and when we just picked up whatever i mean suppose i can not talk to you and i am doing this task with you and i can not talk to you the thing which is going to be hardest for me is making elaborate plans with you i can reach for the next thing and you can go where i reach but if i have some sub goal some long term sub goal of doing something clever with putting these together because it is hard and then putting these together because it is hard it is going to be almost impossible to convey that to you and the difference in the history of construction is an important thing and i wonder how we can get that information back i think that this is a human coding that is part of the action coding because i do not see how anybody but a person watching this can guess why they cast off this thing at this time no why is not that is not the question i am asking the question i am asking is what is the history of the construct so you have the names of the things in there and we have 2 constructs suppose we have 2 sub constructs and whichever one had 2 pieces put together 1st is the earlier numbered of those constructs right how do you tell the difference between adding a piece to this 1st construct and creating a 2nd construct well when the file construct the way the constructs are defined in the file you have got like your parent construct and the parts that was constructed out of okay and yeah as you say they are it is a parent child relationship it is a parent child relationship yeah yeah so you have got a parent child relationship and the child can be a part or it can be another construct okay so construct 2 construct one is a red triangle and green square construct 2 is 2 green squares okay construct 3 right is a red triangle a green square and another red triangle construct 4 yeah but that is okay because they all have different underlying part numbers and when you say what a construct so how are we going to tell when for example you think we are going to have to do human coding on when 2 subconstructs are put together no that is a definition where a construct has constructs as children yes yeah because there is a joint action the result what you need for a joint action you need to you know a construct on a part 2 parts whatever you are taking together and then the result of that is a construct you have got a time when that happens you can see that construct appeared at that time and you can still track the children of that construct so we can zip through this and look at all the all the interactions in which people built subcontract 1st which we expect them to do as a wild hypothesis more when they have verbal communication than when they do not okay and we can do that by simply searching for any constructs that have constructs as children yeah so we can easily look at things like that automatically it is just the why they get new parts that is the problem for us we can not if they suddenly if they decide to get a part off a mold we do not know we can not know why until they do something with it yeah we have not actually made a rule that you can not collect extra parts right extra parts do not appear so you can not collect them 0 yeah you said that yeah there are they are like grayed out yeah but you can so you see the mold is there but they do not come filled no no i mean you have to break one to get one yes you can but you can break one when you break one you do not cast off the mold yourself it happens automatically yes 0 okay never mind that it appears in the new like so they just have to use it the new part lights up sort of thing huh 0 but they have to drag it up past the mold line yes you have to bring it into play and you can not just bring extras in case you can screw up you have to screw up 1st and then you can bring it that is one thing unlike the say the bow fix or anything yeah well there is extra parts there are not any extra parts and at the moment the software does not but it does have replacement yes replicement but no superfluous so you can not have a standard stock with extra parts that they will never use okay so this y question does not even arise so you appreciate the cost because you know what they are going to do with it when they decide to move it past the mold line they are doing something with it probably and you will know what they are going to do with it because yeah but they are doing that they must have already broken something so you are saying what they were replacing so they rejected something okay is there a way of telling the difference between intentional and unintentional breakages how would you do that intentional in the sense that they break deliberately when they bring them into the new parts it is like the trash can idea they both put their hands on a construct because they do not like it yeah but there would be no way of cutting that automatically right how could you possibly do that you have to hope that there is language and one of them say something but that is a human coding right so that just has to be coded there is no way you could tell that just from the role movements or something not generically no because if they are going to do it by gesture they will build up a convention so that is going to be a problem for jp right remember all the things we are looking at are with language and without language and it is going to be very difficult to tell whether they broke something intentionally without the language which means it is probably not a convention suppose they start off with language and then they say yeah okay but this is properly part of the action coding sure so we should i just want to make sure we should make a wish list right wish list as a side effect yes what i am trying to remember is if the people deliberately break things by moving 2 pieces together they do not both break they do if if one if one person is dragging a part to a part that is not that is just sitting on the screen not being touched they both break so the intentional thing is when they actually both click on the same object and it breaks for sure you know that is or well it is not necessarily intentional they could just screw up yeah but they could discuss deciding to break something yeah i do not think that is very good no we will never get away with that we will get a bad score let us just throw that away and start again yeah fix the score problem have we well yeah because it was through the rotation 0 yes percentage score yes rather than the number of penalties or something no the score there is the percentage overlap and that made the score that is the way it is worked but the problem was to do with the which they had a relative and absolute peace and it is all too to the symmetry of that so as long as it is defined fine it was not a bug do not tell me it was a future no it was them just forgetting to define an adjective it was something that had to be defined and the dutch lot did not yeah which is probably a documentation fault right it is not clear enough in the documentation but it is like 2 thirds the way down a quite long page it causes quite media problems not prominently flagged yeah exactly a communication floor so that is now just lovely and there will not be any crazy scores anymore well while we are on past things or anything else you want to tell us about the prior part of this which is the you know what else is holding you up from well yeah we should go back to the beginning the camtasia was tested last week and initially we were a bit worried because in the old version it seemed to interfere with it but when craig recompiled it it did his new version it seems to work fine right so it does not slow it on the eye tracker it does not do anything nasty so we have been told there is very small graphical bugs but it is not a big thing it is like a couple of white pixels in the course of a task so it is nothing to distractive nothing important enough nothing big enough they are going to look at it right no so the last i am sorry i had assorted emails from you and i probably did not catch everything the problem was that there are 2 kemptasia yes there will now have to be 2 camtasia records because each person actually sees a different screen because of the gaze feedback they do not see their own gaze they see only the other guy is gaze so there will be 2 separate camtasia videos yeah i know 0 do you need 2 copies of camtasia to do that hopefully it will not you mean officially or yeah well the question is it the license for camtasia where you just need one editing thing and 2 recording things because yeah the recording program is just quite a small program that just generates the video so that is worth having a look at the licensing for that just to see so you are going to look into this right yeah i had not thought about i would assume we would just get one and one license code we would unlock both i suppose technically should have 2 well look at the license conditions it might not i suspect that it will be per machine i think i never prejudge licenses and blubred them okay i will have a look at the actual kantasia license the other thing we well and hold on before we go any further so this has implications for data storage right because it means we have got well no this is 3 times right because we have got 0 no we are going to use joescript to build the videos on the fly right because it is fast so the permanent storage is just the camtasia stuff so is that a problem where are we putting things is there such a thing as a dual track video because you can certainly mix things what ideally one wants one does not really want to have these things because we are using them for backup and for coding we do not really want to play them independently we would almost always want to use them in exactly parallel time aligned you can dump them into one video frame if you do not mind losing resolution but that is maybe a problem right because well the other problem is camtizzi has to be manually launched in both machines separately so the synchronization is going to be a problem yeah what are we doing for synchronization otherwise during the task there is a flash and a bleep 0 i mean not during the task before before each task okay so that we would have to realign them we could yes dump them from their start points well maybe you could the thing that you are dumping them onto just starts running with flash and a bleep you turn on the 2 copies whenever at different times but they are still no what are they i do not really understand the parts that are operating here 2 videos are turning on there is no time stamp that comes from some common source no they are on the 2 separate machines and you start you start and end them separately they are not talking to each other they are just recording you start it recording and it starts recording what is in one screen and you start the other recording and the other machine and they are totally separate these are backups right so the flash allows you to hand synchronize them later if you need to buy stripping extra video off the front as long as you make sure you start them before the flash then you are fine but there is a cost of having to go to back up which is synchronizing them so they will include things like the eye tracker calibration yes which is not a bad thing actually because sometimes you want to go back and find out if this was just a particularly tough subject yeah see how long it took them actually that is true how long did it take them to calibrate or yeah every time we were calibrated the damn thing slipped the validation worked or something 0 okay so you should start the camtasia really early right well yeah i was assuming in doing that it is done 1st that actually saves you hours trying to make somebody is data smooth out when it will not because you go back and actually yes they were crap is not that the answer it is a technical term it is a technical categorization in psychological research yes the other thing we were getting sorted out was the microphones because only one of the camtasia videos will actually have the soundtrack and that is because we are just getting we have got one cable and to the 2 mics it is supposed to well we need sound we need real sound recording right that is 2 track yes at the moment it is in what we have finally just at 120 clock today looks like we have got it sussed is to get one channel one microphone being the left channel being the right channel to merge into a stereo single file unfortunately the on what sorry on one machine on one of the the discreetecesia video it is or multimedia that is not where you are putting it i mean that is our only sound record yes well okay you have got the proper sound record but you are not dumping it through camtasia to record it right yeah it is camtasia recording before we were going to use camtasia at all what were we going to do with the sand huh yeah because it is because it is a particular going to be able to be in the area so is there any sound is there any sound degradation that comes about from putting this through camtasia rather than running it out straight no you got you yeah you got exactly the same access to sound quality as you got from anything else on the windows so you can decide whatever quality you want so okay so what you are planning on doing it is bunging it on one of the camtasia tracks and then splicing it off the camtasia track it is an easy bit of yeah and then you are going to bung it on the other camtasia track too if you need it right but we will just we are going to store all 3 separately and the sound is going to start at the same time as one of an arbitrary one of the camtasia videos but you will know when the real experiment you will know the relationship between that and the eye tracker timings yeah because the synchronization the audio and the audio and visual synchronization comes at a specific point in the i track file yeah no human intervention required it is time stamped no it is stamped into it so it is just after it prints the line starting experiment yeah i am pretty sure yeah yeah but hold on do we need that i mean i thought the way that tim had the setup originally the audio the audio the timestamps used there would be joint time steps between the audio and the eye tracker so that you know the audio record 10 seconds in was the same as 10 seconds into the eye tracker record so that we did not have to do any extra handwork you know any chopping the starts of audio signals to get there was nothing okay so we are relying on your metlab script to get us the chopped version of the audio right well the matlab script base just says yeah it gives you the time of the audio beep in the signal right so we can either adjust the i track track data or we can actually chop the audio signal yeah take off the 1st whatever 70 seconds there is going to be a way to sooner or later to align the i track camtasia one camtasia 2 with 2 sound channels yeah yeah but lining up the camtasia 2 is going to take we he is working on a metlab script for the sound but not for so the one that has got the sound on it that will also tell you where to chop the video to get it to line up the one that does not have the sound on it it will not the bleak will find out 0 so it is just the bleeps okay so no hand synchronization required at all as long as the scripts work right yeah yeah i okay how confident are you about the pretty confident are you about finding these things pretty confident you have seen them it was it was yeah so we just have to hope we do not have any subjects with odd vocalizations yeah i do not see it on 10 hicklehertz but you know they also tend to have a funny funny shape so yeah okay there is one also in each file so we need one to start to the dropout test yep okay is there an end signal when you decide it is all over does it be there there is a signal at the start and the end of every trial right okay so when you have pressed we are finished it pings back at you yep okay it is just all kinds of crazy things happen when you are right things so saving a percentage of a trial is sometimes a good idea you know being able to do that is sometimes a good idea okay yeah pretty sorry because it is just a good thing and they are just a patient in something like that they are 0 yeah yes it is stojack but it is a mono microphone so you got a solution for that then lining it is going through a line in so it is quieter because it is not powered but it is still yeah we still pick up the signal you sure there is not a better solution that involves you sure there is not a better solution that involves can we do something better than that because you know people might want to use this for speech recognition or something you never know if the data is there yeah i mean it is crazy we are in an anicolored room which we specially built an anacolitan room which we specially built for this and you are going to want for certain circumstances we should not screw it up more than we have to is there anything we can do to improve this 0 no no no better to collect a sort of powered microphone or something but when they are there there they have batteries in them but it is not there is it does not seem to be pad because the lining input is so low wait wait i thought a better solution was fixing this problem with the mono microphone socket sound card so you said the problem was the the the sound the sound the sound the sound the sound the sound the sound the microphone is stereo the input is mono right yeah the the the jack that is plugged into is stereo but when you plug it when it is recording from microphone it records in mono so is that fixable like is there any way somewhere in the sound code yeah i think a new sound card sounds a better solution than munking about with trying to filter white knives out 0 i think the other one thing you do is is record the speech signals separately for each person but then you would have to pull the 2 sounds together which is not hard but if each machine recorded it is own they recorded the they recorded like the yeah it is a lot of video you have to align the videos anyway right yeah yeah i believe it is easy to put 2 lanas into a stereo signal yeah it is easy i am not the technical person if nothing if nothing else you do in a matlab script you just read file one readfeltt and then you so is there any reason why we do not do that then the back that script will tell you how will tell you how far apart there because you can just measure the drift between the 2 of them so you get a list of where the beeps are and then you say right this stream is like i do not know 025 seconds behind the other one says robin thinking about cutting and splicing yeah yeah well it is in the old days we probably would have run a little if they had been in the same room we would have read a little stereo thing in the background as backup as well just to make sure because it is slightly diceier you know if his scripts do not work then you do not get the oven up i want to see one of them look really nice before we start running subjects can we do that it does not have to be a real trial it just has to be 2 guys talking in the 2 bits and then i just want to know it works the way you expect it to work this is not a gesture of mistrust it is just experience that if anything can screw up it will we have both been so badly bitten in the past i am trying to choose my language carefully because we are being recorded but you will hear more choice language at the point when we have all done a lot of work and then we discover we can not use the session because of something we did not think about yeah but this sounds reasonable to me so i think yeah do they both have the same sound kind problem i would not count on it they have both got the same sound card okay so yeah yeah yeah because it is probably worth mentioning this to the guys in the garage in toronto right to say yeah yeah so the external version is that the game of the circuit system the front circuits in the version of the version of the version of the version of the yeah so the external version has got the version has got plugs that size and that is stereo microphones right but yeah the other one plugs the smaller size and that is not stereo so the car can do it it is just that they connectors on the connectors that are the back of the computer can not well yeah i think tell the guys i think that is a if the documentation said it could record in stereo then i think we should talk to them about how they have done this is you not sure from the documentation what it says it can do do yeah but the website and they are yeah yeah but as far as we can tell when found the the website of the the creative labs website and a review of it and they were not entirely clear but they both suggested that it was a mono there was a monom microphone yeah it is just the way they wired it so it is getting late and i have got a 20 clock and i have got a nice lunch so i want to eat my lunch today what did you want to get through today more i mean i think it was useful going through your expectations about this because that is quite a bit clearer in my head at least but i think mostly we leave you to go away and redesign the gdf or add new bits to the gdf along these lines yeah so basically the output the gdf is just going to be a whole series of events yeah we are starting in time and the event is going to have whatever the object is that is being looked at and things and then yeah and then it is matter of we can put whatever filters you need after that so you can say right i just want so you can say from the time where they picked up triangle one to the part time it became part of the assembly find out how much how percentage of time they were looking at it or whatever okay so given that there are these events recorded we can use the beginning of any of them as a start point for example right there are also motions being recorded of objects yeah so yeah so you have got move events there is look events there is fixations of blinks in there at the moment as well and yeah and 0 yeah and looks at objects and looks wherever else but i think the thing to do is for you to go away and think about it this way with the different tracks for the different objects and the the kinds of things we have added about whether they are looking at the other person is gaze and what have you and try to change the spec so it reflects this and maybe maybe by that point there will be some sample data or something and the right thing to do is 1st to look at this the spec the way you understand it now and some data and then alan will have new ideas about what is needed or about these post analyzes you know and then we can add them in but it is going to emerge over time that is clear that is great before we break up for lunch i just want to make sure that i know how long it is going to be before we are in run mode okay so the sound thing stands in our way we need to be recording sound online so that is the thing that has to be solved the shape thing is solved yeah that is solved now we think yeah test we believe we have to test so that should be done this week in fact like tomorrow for example the shape all the shape problems are solved generating shapes no problem scoring shape overlap no problem nothing is a problem there are no visual display you do not have your models so do you they had a proper meeting off of the mortgage of the time yeah they had their inspection last week jp staggered away from it so they are that is right there is the model was still odd me but this day knew that it was both down and so when they were yeah well anything you actually need fixed you know i mean you know joe does not live here anymore right so well but he was not going to be booking any time to us after the 31st of october so that means that any bugs that need fixed or not craig is responsibility right you do not know how to change on that right that is what he said to us originally i have not had any discussions with him so i would assume you know no more contact with joe it is not fair to get work out of somebody for free so you know ask craig instead well he is physically here if we want to pay him for some more time we can do that would that be just better use of our time and get yeah well he was not paid in advance he is being paid in arrears so it does not matter right i think it is he is around and i believe and if i think it is better to have all the software i mean it is not big things it is just maintenance of this program at this point but if everybody has a lot to do and joe could give it a couple of hours joe could give it a couple of hours which is what it might take just to fix it then let us do it because starting runtime is not getting to be yeah if you can give it you know like because the problem is you have got to have it immediately when you discover a bug and that and we can make craig shift all his other priorities to do this because we have bought him right but we can not we can not make joe do this yeah so there is some trade off between availability and speed from start to finish given that this is somebody else is code but it sounds like you do not think there is anything that actually needs fixed at the moment because we only need this to work well enough that you can use it for something and you got workouts we are building models right and how many models do you need to completion and how long does that take we have the design and you got well and you know about complexity well that is what i am you are waiting on me loose you can call her today this afternoon yeah i think so because i have to check back with it with jp fairly soon okay he wanted to the next 18 month plan great deliverables great progress with the experiment well that is what we are doing now okay so what do we think if you have a fairly hectic week are we looking for subjects next week okay ads go up yeah i do i do but i think ads should probably go up this week we want people for next week is that okay is anybody now terrified at the thought that we are live next week there are people coming in here one after another or 2 after 2 more likely okay that is her job come on is this generalized anxiety robin or do you you have a specific thing that okay so aside from the usual angst which we all suffer when we go live so we want to do some piloting at the end of the week yep we will get the audio stuff tested yeah single microphones yeah get that tested next couple days okay i assume that is everything you need me for in terms of that right right 0 yeah but she is actually relaxed that somewhat okay yeah ostensibly book time which is ostensibly book time which is not book time which is not so you can dash in there for half an hour at a time does not sound very useful for you okay well okay we have we have a solid booking for all the mornings anyway and except by permission of us all right we own it so we can change that everybody acknowledged the other week that we that we but it would be kind to tell her ahead of time which of your morning sessions you are both yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah do not worry there is a booking system right so it is public what is booked and what is not i thought that was the problem that your mornings were not sliced off on the booking system all right maybe you should get on there and book mornings as far as the eye can see because you know if you are said told use the booking system well we think we spoke to all the people who used those facilities the other day but we could be wrong so yeah and what are the people upstairs downstairs have you know as rules about who you hand the keys to well because you know we like people to know to ground the 0 i thought the lending for the booking system caroline from caroline or the general office the general office see because you are supposed to have training in but no they need an account on this machine to actually use it they need to count on these machines so that is the safety so that they could book they could not actually and you control those accounts okay that is fair enough okay okay we are also working on a way of making sure that the machines return to 0 state when you come off that is safer because then they learn the 1st time well people have been leaving various bits of who knows what around on them right which we think is what is critical yeah yeah okay i really have to get out of here so what else is important before you run nothing right piloting piloting you have to build the things we have to try the machine things we have to check them with marlis and jp that they like the representation of the variables right how about do you have any time on friday 0 i do not think i brought my diary up but maybe why you can email back maybe you and i should be the pilot subjects 1st pilot subjects the ones who know which questions we want to ask and then we should get another pair who are naive to the whole thing okay so yeah this is generalized floating anxiety no no it is wisdom but yeah well because actually we can you know we make comments they feedback and a vote into the development so do you know what time of day you might want because i should i should check that okay you do not need me involved in the party though you all have to unless the bug report yeah you will have to be there to yeah i will be around but yeah i will be sure hopefully it all runs smooth in yeah i can relax okay so that all sounds good fun well i can just leave you guys here you know why not thank you i guess the word just the week that is pretty good yeah they are about pollution and we do not know what they are on you know we are not going to have to be in a place where they are in a coming out and how to 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[ "excellent so i sent you the agenda it was on the in the project documents i do not know if you got a chance to just have a look at it anyway it is the meeting is going to follow more or less the same structure as last time so we will go round each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you have been up to and at the end of that we need to discuss what you have come up with so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts so that is we need to know about the components properties materials the user interface and any trends that the marketing expert has been watching right okay do you want to start again okay let me we have got 40 minutes right s so i have not made a powerpoint presentation yeah i i thought i will use the whiteboard instead you have not made a powerpoint okay okay let us hope the pen holds out so basically i will start off by i thought i will use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in the options that are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that okay so i will start again with a brief introduction to connect that anyway brief introduction to the insides of a remote control and then we can probably discuss the various components yeah yeah okay so w what you see here is so this is the outside of the remote right if you open it you have a circuit board here right and this is the chip that i was talking about last time this basically sends information to a tr transistor here which then sends the information to an l e d device here if you flip the printed circuit board and this is th the most important point here everything else is kind of okay so if you flip the circuit board this is what it looks like so you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the p c b and on pressing this button i a circuit completes yeah the information goes to the chip which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation which goes goes out through there so the important point that i read over the website was that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards are quite cheap to make you can ge get them printed as you want to so w we can have a configuration irrespective of the cost the way we want to have right so that is the important point here so these are the different options that we have okay so the batteries i will start with the battery right so they can be simple which is like the normal batteries in our the cells yeah yeah thes these are the kind different kind of batteries that the company makes right so and dynamos yeah yeah does that mean like a wind up one a wind up remote so i do not know if even if you want to consider this but these are the different things that the company makes so th they will they will since they will come internally from the company they will be eas cheaper all these options okay so the 3rd one is the kinetic energy ones you could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike and then people could exercise whilst watching t v yeah and charging their remote yeah yeah and stop worrying about the whole r s i from the remote thing cause that is just yeah it is a good option so what was what was this k ka the the kinetic energy one is that e they are usually modern watches since our hand keeps moving it keeps the watch ticking okay yeah but i dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control because it will just lie there for a long while sometimes for a remote cause you yeah but as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it re recharges or something yeah and the 4th option is the solar cells which are also made by the company yay environment friendly okay so i will list things and then we can come back and discuss what what we think from everybody is perspective yeah there are different cases that can be provided they can be basically the shape of the cases they can be flat they can be curved with one sided curved and one side flat and they can be curved with on both the sides these are the 3 options right you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control yeah yeah would it be flat on both the sides would be curved from one side or whatever there were different kind of supplements available yeah like it can be in plastic rubber wood or titanium right okay did you say wool wo wo wood wood wood wood yeah 0 right a fluffy remote not wool yeah you will understand why when we get to my presenta 0 really okay huh the so we can use even a certain titanium is also used in the company to make some space design equipment so it is kind of it will be probably nicer to use because it relates to the overall image of the company but it cannot be used on a double curved surface if we choose this we cannot use titanium for for these 2 we can use titanium wood rubber or plastic yeah okay the interface options now so we can have push buttons like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push buttons ooh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on mouse pointers sony sony ericsson mobile phones has it yeah yeah something like that so and they have they can even have an an integrated push button inside the scrolling thing okay the scroll plus push so this is something that has been recently developed by the company in the last decade so not too recent and l c d s we can have l c d s so these 2 are recent and and this is q quite old the various electronic options are so th this concerns firs 1st of all the the chips i i showed you at so there is there is a chip behind this one right the p c b is inexpensive so we can put put in whatever we want but the various integrated circuit options are we have either a simple one or a regular or advanced and the price goes up as we go down obviously okay so the good thing about wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that l c d s can only come with the advanced chip the we need regular or advanced for scroll wheels right and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender yeah besides this in electr under electronics also the company has started making a sample sender which is did not explained what i what it was but i am guessing that so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker so i am guessing that the sample speaker is probably something like you know as soon as you press a button it it give gives you feedback 15 or whatever yeah on and i dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not but anyway so these are the different options that we have okay so th that is that is basically now now i think that we can integrate you know the user interface and the marketing things in that keep taking out things from this and underlining things that are important yeah yeah excellent do you want to stay somewhere near the board so that if we need to you can sit down but just we might need you to leap up okay yeah yeah sure sure yeah okay what are you powerpoint or i have some powerpoint yeah right okay 0 do you think these pens can give you cancer of the hand kay some sort of radiation no it has got its little camera in there plug it in yeah okay is a yeah it should should do it yeah right interface concept okay to be honest actually i mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the this talk this time i m i mentioned them already in the previous talk that is fine so yeah this time i might not have them on the slides but i i can just mention them aw again okay so i thought i would also include the definition of user interface so it is the aspects of a of of a computer system or program which can be seen by the user and and which the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data so this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and voice recognition as well and color and so on the method i employed this time was a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then analyze them from the point of view of user fen friendliness and also whether their appearance was was pleasant and then this this this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product so some findings so in in the case of many user interfaces they are just so full of buttons that it is actually hard to find the ones you you really want to use and and it is just confusing it takes y know time to learn okay and i thought i would just quickly show some of them that i found okay some of them are here well the picture is not very clear but as you can see there are actu oi 000 sorry for that is go back that is nice one ah no please okay so yeah they are quite big and have many many buttons actually of the of all these i personally p prefer this one because it is it is the smallest and and with with least with the smallest number of buttons as well and i would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice ugly okay so let us carry on with this so 0 other findings some new things used some of them were mentioned already by our technical designer our own company has developed a new in user interface wait no this is not the one okay there is a we can include voice recognition and it allows i it is possible to record 80 different voice samples on it so this this one was already mentioned the l c display it is yeah s another new development is a scroll button which was also th also already mentioned and our own manufacturing division ha has designed a new programmable speech sorry speaker unit i guess it is it should be yeah and this means that once it it it comes together with a voice recognition but it is once once the gadget recognizes the voice of the speaker there can be a pre programmed answer for example you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever huh hi yeah so i mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include sorry can you go back for a 2nd are you sure wha what this means a spinning wheel with the l c display 0 yeah are th it is like the like you said no the scroll scroll wheel yeah you can not no no the scroll button is a different thing i i have a picture if you just a moment i will i will show you i was not completely sure myself but i think it is just like it is it is a wheel it is like not separate buttons 0 okay the ipod thing yeah look this one here 0 it is like the ipod but i am i am not really sure whether whether you can really turn it round it is like you press this or this or g yeah no you can it is the ipod kind of it is like it is like where you you know how you have your your mouse huh and y you go round and i it is kind of like that and you spin round and it yeah alright right okay okay so instead of going down you just spin yeah yeah it is you just go round and it is a bit weird at 1st but it is actually very like fast huh i like the the wheels that click on the side you you get em much slower so it is quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff right huh do you know if you are lookin if you are th scrolling through the a to z of your music and you are looking for something at t then it is a lot faster than the wheel but you have got a lot less control over it right so maybe i should include that here as well l c d s plus spinning yeah yeah okay and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time it it has to be small simple okay we decided to include voice recognition so to have the standard major buttons like on off ch the channels and and then volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen and i i also thought if we want to keep it small and nice and actually i i quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button i thought it could be for for voice like i dunno it like on a i like it used to be on walkmans or something there is i think there is no reason why we could not use something like this for for the remote control so yeah that is that is it excellent okay straight to trends and then we can discuss it all at once right okay i have put the copy of the presentation in the yeah the project documents excellent if you 2 could both do that as well in case we need to refer to it cool here it comes okay fabulous okay cool so what i did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are going to be wanting in the the near future okay right now the 1st aspect is apparently twice as important as the 2nd aspect which is twice as important as the 3rd a aspect okay so i mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the which i think given the target group is what you would expect really you know people want something new something technologically innovative and different so the whole idea with the l c d s and the spinning and the colors and the voice recognition is quite like quite the thing to go for okay and yeah it wants to look fancy fancy look and feel so maybe as you are discussing things is it okay if we just keep highlighting things here so yeah yeah sure yeah yeah yeah right so so it yeah so probably voice recognition is is kind of important right that is over on the interface if if you could put yeah and an yeah and maybe the l c d and spinning so that means we need an advanced thing okay i i have a point about l c d i dunno if it is the right point to take it up w l c d s are basically for feedback right to the user who is pressing buttons and the feedback can come through television itself so do we need an l c d on the remote depends how fast your television runs really do not do not you think i mean we have got one of those telewest boxes and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the t v and then you wait and then it comes so i it actually takes quite a long time and if you get the number in wrong then it is a bit of a pain so i think right you know a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that but like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit right it it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you do not interrupt the picture on the screen so if you are watching something you know yeah that is true yeah that is also and i it would be like i mean if you could make it integrate with the t v then it could come up with new information about what is on and you could just see that on the remote rather than yeah rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure yeah but i think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone you know right like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen is protected so it does not actually get scratched so you can have like what looks like a normal remote control you know or like a minimalist remote control yeah so you got your buttons one to 9 your on and off and your volume on that and then if you want to mess about with it right and then you can flip it open you flip it open and yeah okay so now we seem to have a consensus that l c d s are definitely the way to go because of style and yeah i think so yeah so that kind of decides your whole chip thing right yeah you you agree maarika yeah yep yeah yeah right so l c d s yeah definitely okay go on cool okay apparently fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration sorry i discovered clip art so these will be an important feature for clothes shoes and furniture so i mean i am taking this to mean you know curviness do you know cause you do not tend to get flat vegetables yeah and possibly even uneven like not not symmet yeah you know yeah bit of asymmetry and stuff but that would be a good way to to get in the whole r s i issue in there because i mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands so you want to you curve it so that it is suitable for use with the right hand right yeah i am not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy something a bit squishy and yeah but i mean y you have to yeah we we have we have rubber but there is a problem that i forgot to discuss with the with using so it could be like a rubbery yeah huh well i suppose you would not get a remote an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber yeah and it would help if you drop it it protects it as well yeah yeah to some degree so if if we use latex cases they will not allow us to use solar cells as an energy source that is the constraint huh so we could use titanium wood or plastic or or if we want to use the the latex then we have to go with one of the other power things if it is made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there you could just bounce it up and down yeah w energy source from from bouncing it yeah tap it on the desk yeah you can have it as like a little ball to bounce that flips open yeah so yeah okay so probably double curved surface is the way to go yeah yeah yeah yeah or or curved at one end and flat on the top because i i am not sure if it is flat on both both the sides then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons etcetera you have to have a certain element of flatness i think yeah it it depends on the whole ergonomics of it you know it is like how you put your hands so y it is the least movement basically yeah yeah singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much does it huh it no i d i do not think it makes a lot of difference i i have one of those s slidey phones and i mean the back is essentially straight but it is curvy so i think besides you have 4 sides to a thing so i mean does curved one side mean one side is straight and yeah cause the yeah right you know curved 2 sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing right dunno di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff because according to the information that i have i think the onl only options that we have with the case is are these 3 yeah eith either we have a flat surfaced case or a curved surfaced case it does not say anything about whether technically you know this this stuff is available at all nothing to open them yeah it is it is more about the protecting the l c d which i think is where it came from right yeah yeah but no my research did not tell me anything which is why we have all the pictures cause i had nothing better to do with my time right okay okay cool anything else what have we got combine style with a level of functionality beauty and practicality and a thing of beauty and p function okay so cool thanks okay thanks looking at what we have got we we want an l c d display with a spinning wheel yeah let us let us try to r rub off things and yeah so hand dynamos are definitely out right yeah rub off some of those yeah it is not that is not streamlined and sexy having a having a wind up you you got a wind dynamo yeah yeah hum yeah okay kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of appeal but i think tha it is about the practicality of it really is not it it is yeah you know as against a watch which constantly keeps moving this this thing will have to be tapped every time which which might be very frustrating for the user i mean if depends how much how much movement it really needs kinetic energy it needs i do not have too much technical information on that yeah right pr presumably if they are suggesting it then we could use it okay let us keep it option keep an option yeah i would i would keep it on the flat co completely flat case is definitely out right yeah it is yeah we do not want that it is no it is not not vegetable it has to be at least curved from one side yeah okay we still have all all the options wood do you think wood will be a good idea n wood is i can not n how do you i mean you can not keep it really small you can not make it like thin and right the wood thing i can not imagine a m wooden remote control because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in so i mean if the case you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky wi yeah yeah if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it is likely to break it is it is much more yeah yeah yeah and given that we are we are looking at more spongy material preferences i ha would think maybe rubber or plastic is more yeah u yeah wood is not really yeah right well it is not very cleanable either do you know yeah that is true yeah it is it is not a practical i mean it is it is alright for a table but for a remote control you know yeah and splinters and stuff and yeah okay wood is out yeah it just m does not make any sense i think is the thing with wood right yeah yeah in the case of remote control not really yeah okay now for the really interesting stuff the interface yeah right so the the push buttons is is our expertise in the industry but it seems to be out of trend you know nobody seems to be you have to have some push buttons do not you yeah but you i think for for the channel numb channel numbers you still need them would not you g yeah yeah right yeah so for channel numbers but 0 if if we have l c d displays that opens up a whole world you know if you have an l c d display then you can select almost everything on the l c d display but i th yeah but i think the l c d display is kind of yeah just for fast it is faster with a m yeah and w if we dis and when we s discussed that we might like this flipping open thing then i mean y you can use it as a normal remote control but if you do want to use l c d right yeah okay yeah then you flip it open but it is it it is more time consuming yeah yeah i think this is going back to the the graph at the beginning that i made where you know the buttons that people use all the time you want buttons for them and everything else menu driven right yeah and it yeah l l c d so in in the buttons we have for the channels also we have options do you do we enumerate everything from 0 to 9 or do we have just channel plus channel minus just to just to scroll no no i mean we we definitely need the the numbers because it is otherwise people do not want to flip through all the channels the numbers yeah yeah do we need them on as buttons or do we need them as l c d right or on the l c d we can you know g yeah i would think buttons yeah yeah i would say buttons because it is yeah buttons okay it is it is the i think the thing is so if someone just wants to turn on their t v and put on a channel i so then it should be easier to use than any other remote and then if someone wants to you know yeah yeah change the contrast on their t v and they should be able to do that and it should be accessible but you know alright i mean most of the time i mean there is a limit to how much the biggest techno geek can spend fiddling with the t v yeah right i think is the the the issue there okay so buttons definitely in but 0 shall we try to draw a prec i think that is what you guys are going to do next so if we put down the key things that we want okay okay okay so the components yeah right so what about the the scrolling yeah but n i i am not completely completely clear i yeah about the spinning wheel so i think it it does not make sense to have both like a scrolling and spinning thing e either or it is you can al include everything in the spinning if you yeah yeah in that case just spinning and not scrolling i would say g yeah i would say the s the s the spinning goes at a high speed to th to the scrolling wheel yeah so you have to decide whether you you know you want to be going so fast or not but i mean the the thing with this whole if y you are planning on making it out of rubber on the basis that it is spongy then i am not sure how well a scrolling wheel would work but if you have got a if if you have got a flipped thing ah but i mean you can effectively it is something that is curved on one side and flat on the other side but you folded it in half yeah but y your spinning wheel tends to go to one side th that would be on one side huh i am not sure it will be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber yeah i i think so too i mean the case would be yeah the case would be rubber and the the buttons i it no i think it is just the casing rubber on the outside you want an outside of rubber and then open it up and or or at the corners edges just the edges covered by rubber or something like that yeah rubber buttons but then yeah everything else in plastic or even titanium if we want to use it yeah or maybe like interchangeable cases cause i know like we are going back to ipods again n the whole spinning wheel but i have like a you know obviously my ipod is not made of rubber but then i have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it and i can change the color theoretically to match my outfit right right right okay so so that gives us a more trendy look as well yeah i think the spinning wheel is definitely very now right yeah and we are going more for the trends than for the usability anyway right that is right that is what they are after yeah so i will rub that out and colors can be provided with the case rather than but we still need to te think about the color of our remote as such you know just keep it black or yeah i think we it was a a requirement that we use our th the colors of our company so would it be like yellow gray and black or something or i guess that does not fit in with the whole vegetable theme though yeah does bananas yeah banana is yellow yeah definitely yeah but i mean do you think we could incorporate the colors of the company into the buttons and then make the color of the main remote the color like vegetable colors do you know so you could have like i mean i suppose vegetable colors would be orange and green and some reds and maybe purple and that and then you would pick the buttons in company colors to to match with it green yeah okay okay if you g go over to the integrated circuits since we are having l c d s there there is no way that we are will be able to what we do need to consider we need the advanced yeah however is that the price is going up for the ever every such thing that we are considering yeah but since l c d s seems to be a definite yes so it seems to be one area where we would want to spend yeah so i will rub off the other 2 so are we discounting solar energy because rubber is going to be used in there somewhere or that was the 0 is 0 the constraint was yeah if solar panels with the rubber we can not have solar panels with rubber so yeah so yeah okay so we lose that i think shall we go for if we are going for rubber we think on as our case and then and the buttons as well i think yeah yeah i think we will have using the simple battery will be a safer option as compared to the kinetic energy one we have got 5 more minutes i mean a although it does seem interesting yeah yeah but it does not hold any advantages as such for a yeah yeah it is just a gimmick okay okay so r we understand this better now that the the speaker is for the feedback right it it says the things that you type in or something like that so yeah i think if we can if we can include them at not too much extra cost then i would put them in but if it is ye yeah we we do not have too much information about it yeah yeah but it it i think it should be quite cheap because it is from our own company yeah it is from the company so yeah okay so so th this is in as well then the sample speaker yeah okay right and the case is curved on one side but then flat flat so it is flipped into each other flat on the top yeah okay can i pull the thing out the back of your computer yeah sure j just so we can sorry do you want me to nothing it is right i am just there we go what does i c s mean i c s integrated circuits okay cool so it is advanced integrated circuits yeah 0 now i have gone too far we we are definitely going in for voice recognition as well as l c d s yeah yeah we are on our way okay so we have basically worked out that we are going with a simple battery the advanced chip and a curved on one side case which is folded in on itself made out of rubber and right yep the buttons are also rubber we are having push buttons on the outside and then on the inside an l c d with spinning wheel and we are incorporating voice recognition that is our overall concept and it is going to look sort of vegetable and be in bright vegetable colors huh so w w would with have the spinning wheel inside with the l c d or would it be on the outer i think it is on the imagine it would be inside okay so actually that could like really cut down your thing so you have got your outside which is like minimalist and then you open it up and you have got a screen and a spinning wheel which you can incorporate buttons into yeah okay so you have still not got like a lot of stuff in the yeah on the you have maybe got you know like if you are modeling on ipod you have got 5 buttons and a wheel and 4 of the buttons are in the wheel and the other one is the little bit inside the wheel yeah in the center yeah sure yeah okay so now we have got 30 minutes before our next meeting in the meantime the industrial designer over here is going to work on the look and feel design which i will presume he will work out what that means the user interface designer will work on the user interface design and the marketing expert is going to work on product evaluation and as well as that the 2 designers are going to work together on our prototype following those instructions that we have just come up with using modeling clay and you will get extra instructions from your personal coach cool is that all okay and anyone who has not put their their presentation in the project documents folder it would be good just so in case we have to refer to it yeah yeah okay cool i am going to go and sit on my own y ah nobody wants to talk to you i know i am hated unplug yourself i have got a bit tangled up in all this so but shall i move away 1st or shall i stay here with we need to i dunno maybe i would car" ]

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[ "excellent so i sent you the agenda that was in the project document i do not have you got a chance to just have a look at it anyway the meeting is going to follow more or less the same structure as last time so we will go around each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you have been up to and at the end of that we need to discuss what you have come up with so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts so that is we need to know about the components properties materials the user interface and any trends that the marketing expert has been watching right okay do you want to start again okay we have got 40 minutes so i have not made a powerpoint presentation i thought i will use the whiteboard instead okay so basically i will start off by i thought i will use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start to rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in the options that are more highlighted underlining them or something like that okay so i will start again with a brief introduction to i will connect that anyway brief introduction to the insights of remote control and then we can probably discuss the various components okay so what you see here is this is the outside of the remote right if you open it you have a circuit board here and this is the chip that i was talking about last time this basically sends information to a transistor here which then sends the information to an led device here if you flip the printed circuit board and this is the most important point here everything else is kind of okay so if you flip the circuit board this is what it looks like so you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the pcb yeah and on pressing this button a circuit completes the information goes to the chip which is somewhere here and the chip that then translates the code into an infrared radiation which goes goes out through there so the important point that i read over the website was that the configurations of these printed circuit boards are quite to make you can get them printed as you want to so we can have a configuration irrespective of the cost the way we want to have so that is the important point here so these are the different options that we have okay so so the batteries i will start with the battery so they can be simple which is like the normal batteries in our results these are the different kind of batteries that the company makes so hand dynamos does that mean like a wind up one yeah a wind up one may i do not know even if you want to consider this but these are the different things that the company makes so they will since they will come internally from the company they will be cheaper all these options so the 3rd one is the kinetic energy one you can make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike and then people could exercise whilst watching tv and charging their remote yeah and stop worrying about the whole rsi from the great thing it is a good option so what was the kinetic energy one is that they are usually in modern watches since a hand keeps moving it keeps the watch ticking but i do not know if it is a good idea for a remote control because it will just lie there for a long while sometimes as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it recharges or something and the 4th option is the solar cells cells which are also made by the environment friendly okay so i will enlist things and then we can come back and discuss what we think from everybody is perspective there are different cases that can be provided they can be basically the shape of the cases they can be flat they can be curved with one sided curved and one sided and one side flat and they can be curved with on both the sides these are the 3 options you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control yeah would it be flat on both the sides would be curved from one side there were different kind of supplements available like it can be in plastic rubber wood or titanium okay did you say wool wood wood yeah you understand why we get to purpose 0 really okay so we can use even so titanium is also used in the company to make some space design equipment so it is kind of it will be probably nicer to use because it relates to the overall image of the company but it cannot be used on a double curved surface if we choose this we cannot use titanium for these 2 we can use titanium wood rubber or plastic okay the interface options now so we can have push buttons like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push buttons we can have scroll wheels like the ones on mouse pointers sony alex mobile phone maybe yeah something like that so and they have they can even have an integrated push button inside the scrolling so scroll plus push so this is something that has been recently developed by the company in the last decade so not too recent and lcds lcds we can have lcds these 2 are recent and and this is quite old the various electronic options are so this concerns 1st of all the chips i showed you that so there is a chip behind this one right the pcb is inexpensive so we can put in whatever we want but the various integrated circuit options are we have either a simple one or regular or advanced and the price goes up as we go down obviously okay so the good thing about why we would want to use advanced we might want to use advanced is that lcds can only come with the advanced chip we need regular or advanced for scroll wheels and the chip basically includes the infrared sender besides this under electronics also the company has started making a sample sender which they did not explain what it was but i am guessing that so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker so i am guessing that the sample speaker is probably something like you know as soon as you press a button it gives you feedback 15 or whatever yeah on and i do not know whether simple center has to do something with voice recognition or not but anyway so these are the different options that we have okay so that is that is basically now i think that we can integrate you know the user interface and the marketing things in that keep taking out things from this and underlining things that are important excellent do you want to stay somewhere near the board so that if we need to yeah yeah sure you can sit down but just we might need you to leap up what are you in powerpoint or i have some powerpoint yeah okay okay 0 yeah 0 yeah these pens can give you a cancer of the hand some of the radiation i have got his little camera in there click it in okay yeah it should do it interface concept okay to be honest actually i mentioned some of the things which could fit on the and this talk this time i mentioned them already in the previous talk so yeah this time i might not have them on the slides but i can just mention them again okay so i thought i would also include the definition of user interface so it is the aspects of a computer system or program which can be seen by the user and which the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data so this would include things like shape and size and buttons and voice recognition as well and color and so on the method i employed this time was again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then analyzed them from the point of view of user friendliness and also whether their appearance was pleasant and then this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product so some findings so in the case of many user interfaces they are just so full of buttons that it is actually hard to find the ones you really want to use and it is just confusing it takes time to learn okay and i thought i would just quickly show some of them that i found okay some of them here well the picture is not very clear but as you can see there are actually 00 sorry for that let us go back that is nice one 0 please okay so yeah they are quite big and have many many buttons actually of all these i personally prefer this one because it is the smallest and with the smallest number of buttons as well sense as well and i would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice okay so let us carry on with this so in other findings some new things used some of them were mentioned already by our technical designer our own company has developed a new user interface wait no this is not the one okay there is a we can include voice recognition and it allows it is possible to record 80 different voice samples on it so this one was already mentioned the lcd display yeah another new development is a scroll button which was also the also already mentioned and our own manufacturing division has designed a new programmable speech sorry a speaker unit i guess it should be and this means that once it comes together with a voice recognition but it is once once the gadget recognizes the voice of the speaker there can be a pre programmed answer for example you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says hello and your name or what here so i mean this is also one of the new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include can you go back for a 2nd are you sure what this means the spinning wheel with the lcd display it is like the like you said no the scroll the scroll button is a different thing i have a picture if you just a moment i will show you i was not completely sure myself but i think it is just like it is a wheel it is like not separate buttons look this one here but i am not really sure whether you can really turn it around it is like you press this or this it is like where you you know how you have your mouse and you go around and it is kind of like that and you spin around and it okay so instead of going down you just spin you just go around it it is a bit weird at 1st but it is actually very fast like the wheels that click on the side you get a much slower so it is quite good if you are like searching quite a lot of stuff you know if you are scrolling through the a to z of your music and you are looking for something at t then it is a lot faster than the wheel but you have got a lot less control over it right i should include that here as well as cdis plus spinning less spinning yeah okay and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as last time it has to be small simple we decided to include voice recognition so to show the standard major buttons like on off the channels and then volume and then the rest will be the menu on the screen and i also thought if we want to keep it small keep it small and nice and actually i quite like the idea of the scrolling button it would be a voice like on like on like it can be in warpments or something i think there is no reason why we could not use something like this for the remote control so yeah that is it excellent okay straight to trends and then we can discuss it all at once okay i am going to be able to do that cool cool okay cool you know what users are going to be wanting in the near future okay now the 1st aspect is apparently twice as important to the 2nd aspect which is twice as important as the 3rd aspect so i mean the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the which i think given the target group is what you would expect you know people want something new something technologically innovative and different so the whole idea with the lcds and the spinning and the colors and the voice recognition is quite like quite the thing to go for and yeah it wants to look fancy so maybe as you are discussing things is it okay if we just keep highlighting things there right so that is over on the interface if you could put so probably voice recognition is kind of important right and maybe the lcd and spinning yeah okay i have a point about lcd i do not know if it is the right point to take it up lcds are basically for feedback right to the user who is pressing buttons and the feedback can come through the television itself so do we need an lcd on the remote depends how fast your television runs really do you think you have got one of those teleos boxes and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the tv and then you wait and then it comes so it actually takes quite a long time time and if you get the number wrong then it is a bit of a pain so i think you know a screen on the remote would probably cut down any time on that but like remotes do tend to get thrown about a bit right it is also quite nice though to have something here so you do not interrupt the picture on the screen so if you are watching something that is true yeah that is true i mean if you could make it integrate with the tv then it could come up with your information about what is on and you could just see that on the remote rather than yeah rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure but i think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone you know like you have the slidy ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen is protected so it does not actually get scratched so you can have what looks like a normal remote control you know or like a minimalist remote control so you have got your buttons one to 9 you are on and off and your volume on that and then if you want to mess about it you flip it open okay so we seem to have a consensus that lcds are definitely the way to go because of style yeah so that kind of decides your whole chip thing right you agree yep yeah right so okay lcds yeah definitely go on okay apparently fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration sorry i just give a big clipart so these will be an important feature for clothes shoes and furniture so i mean i am taking this to mean you know curviness do you know because you do not tend to get flat vegetables yeah and possibly even uneven like not a bit of asymmetry and stuff but that would be a good way to get in the whole rsi issue in there because i mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand right hand so you curve it so that it is suitable for use with right hand yeah i am not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy something a bit squishy and yeah but i am just like it could be like a rubbery we have rubber but there is some of the with using so if we use latex cases they will not allow us to use latex cases they will not allow us to use allow us to use solar cells as an energy source of the strength so we could use titanium wood or plastic or if we want to use the latex then we have to go with one of the other whether you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there you can just tap it up and down you can have it as like a little bald it flips open so yeah so probably double curved surface is the way to go yeah yeah or curved at one and flat on the top because i am not sure if it is flat on both the sides then how much easy would it be to reach for buttons etc you have to have a certain element of flatness it depends on the whole type of normal thing it is like how you put your hands it is like how you put your hands so you can not really see single side curve or double side curve does not say too much does it no i do not think it makes a lot of difference i have one of those sly phones and i mean the back is essentially straight but it is curvy so besides you have 4 sides to a thing so i mean just curved one side means one side is straight right and you know curved 2 sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy put thing did it say anywhere in your research material about the sliding stuff because according to the information that i have i think the only options that we have with the cases are these 3 either we have a flat surface case or a curved surface case it does not say anything about whether technically this stuff is available at all yeah it is more about the protecting the lcd which i think is where it came on my research did not tell me anything which is why we have all the pictures because i had better to do with my time okay cool what have we got combined style with a level of functionality beauty and practicality and the thing is beautiful functions okay yes so looking at what we have got we want an lcd display with a spinning wheel let us try to rub off things so hand animals are definitely out right yeah that is not streamlined and sexy having a wind up kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of appeal but it is about the practicality of it really is not it you know as against a watch which constantly keeps moving this thing will have to be tapped every time which might be very frustrating for the user the user depends how much movement it really needs i do not have to much technically if they are suggesting it then we could use it okay let us keep it option i keep it on the flat completely flat case is definitely out right it has to be at least curved from one side yeah okay we still have all the options wood do you think wood will be i i can not how do you i mean you can not keep it really small you can not make it like thin and right i would think because you need to put all the technology in so i mean if the case you add the case yeah if it is really thin if it is really thin it is likely to break it is much more yeah and given that we are looking at more spongy material preferences would think maybe rubber or plastic is well it is not very cleanable either yeah that is true it is not a practical i mean it is right for a table but for remote control you know and splinters and stuff yeah yeah it does not make any sense i think yeah in the case of remote control not really okay now for the really interesting stuff the interface right so the push buttons is our expertise in the industry but but but you know but you know the push buttons is our expertise in the industry but it seems to be out of trend you know nobody is thinking i think for the channel number channel numbers you still need them would not you yeah yeah right so for channel numbers if we have lcd displays that opens up a whole world you know if you have an lcd display then you can select almost everything on the yeah but i think the lcd display is kind of yeah it is faster with a and if we when we discussed that we might like this open thing then i mean you can use it as a normal remote control but if you do want to use lcd then you will flip it open but it is it is more time consuming i think this is going back to the graph at the beginning that i made where you know the buttons the people use all the time you want buttons for them yeah and everything else yeah so in the buttons we have for the channels also we have options do we enumerate everything from 0 to 9 or do we have just channel plus channel minus just no no i mean i mean we definitely need the numbers because it is otherwise people do not want to flip through all the channels yeah do we need them on as buttons or do you need them as lcd on the lcd we can you know yeah i would say buttons because it is yeah it is i think the thing is so if someone just wants to turn on the tv and put on a channel then it should be easier to use than any of the remote and then if someone wants to you know change the contrast on their tv and you know they should be able to do that and it should be accessible but you know i mean most of the time i mean there is a limit to how much the biggest technology you can spend fiddling with the tv yeah i think is the issue there okay so buttons definitely input shall we try to draw our i think that is what you guys are going to do next so if we put down the key okay okay so components that we want what about the the scrolling yeah but i am not completely clear about the spinning wheel so i think it does not make sense to have both like a scrolling and spinning thing you cannot include everything in the spinning if you just spinning and not scrolling i would say that the spinning goes at a higher speed to the scrolling wheel so you have to decide whether you want to be going so fast or not i mean the thing with this whole if you are planning on making it out of rubber on the basis that it is spongy then i am not sure how well a scolding wheel would work but if you have got a flip thing effectively it is something that is curved on one side and flat on the other side but you have folded it in half yeah but your spinning wheel tends to go to one side that would be on one side i am not sure it will be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber yeah i think so too i mean the case would be yeah the case would be rubber on the buttons or at the corner the edges covered by rubber or something like that everything else in plastic or even titanium if you want to use it or maybe like interchangeable cases because i know like we are going back to ipods again the whole spinning wheel but i have like a you know obviously my ipod is not made of rubber but then i have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it and i can change the color theoretically to match my outfit okay more trendy look as well yeah i think the spinning wheels definitely very now right yeah and we are going more for the trends than for the usability anyway that is right that is what you are after so i rub that out and colors can be provided with the case rather than but we still need to think about the color of our remote as such you know just to be black yeah i think it was a requirement that we use so the colors were a company so would it be like yellow gray and black or something or i guess that does not fit in with the whole vegetable thing bananas banana is yellow yeah definitely i mean do you think we could incorporate the colors of the company into the buttons and then make the color remain remote the color like vegetable colors you know so you could have like i mean i suppose vegetable colors would be orange green and some reds and maybe purple and that and then you take the buttons and companies and companies tell us to tonight okay okay if you go over to the integrated circuits since we are having lcds there is no way that we are we will be able to what we do need to consider however is that the price is going up with every such thing that we are considering but since lcds seems to be a definite yes yeah so it seems to be one area where we would want to spend so i will rub off the other 2 so we are discounting solar energy because rubber is going to be used in there somewhere or that was the 0 so the constraint was we can not have solar panels with rubber so yeah okay so we lose that i think should we go for if we are going for rubber we think it on as our case and then and the buttons as well i think yeah yeah i think we will have using the simple battery will be a safer option as compared to the kinetic energy one i mean although it does seem interesting but it does not hold any advantages as that yeah it is just a gimmick okay so we understand this better now that the speaker is for the feedback right it says the things that you type in or something like that yeah so i think if we can if we can include them at not too much extra cost then i would put them in we do not have too much information about it yeah but i think it should be quite cheap because it is from a company it is from the company okay so so this is in as well then yeah okay and the case is curved on one side but then flat on the top flat so it is flipped into each other okay can i pull the thing out the back of your computer just so we can sorry julie nothing it is like i will just what is ics mean ics you know ics integrated circuits okay okay so it is advanced integrated circuits yeah we are definitely going in for voice recognition as well as ncds yeah okay so we have basically worked out that we are going with a simple battery the advanced advanced chip and curved on one side case which is folded in on itself made out of rubber and the buttons are also rubber we are having push buttons on the outside and then on the inside an lcd with spinning wheel and we are incorporating voice recognition that is our overall concept and it is going to look sort of vegetal and be in bright vegetable colors so would we have the spinning wheel inside with the lcd or would it be on the outer i do not know it would be inside okay so actually that could like really cut down your things so you have got your outside which is like minimalist and then you open it up and you have got a screen and a spinning wheel which you can incorporate buttons into so you have still not got like a lot of stuff in the in the you have maybe got you know like if you are modeling on an ipod you have got 5 buttons and a wheel and 4 of the buttons are in the wheel and the other one is the little bit inside the wheel in the center yeah sure okay so now we have got 30 minutes before our next meeting in the meantime the industrial designer over here is going to work on the look and feel design which i presume will work out what that means the user interface designer will work on the user interface design and the marketing expert is going to work on product evaluation and as well as that the 2 designers are going to work together on our prototype following those instructions that we have just come up with using modeling clay and you will get extra instructions from your personal coach is that all okay and anyone who has not put their presentation in the project documents folder it would be good just so in case we have to refer to it cool i am going to go and sit on my end nobody wants to talk to you i know i am not i am hating i have got a bit tangled up in shall i move away 1st or shall i stay here i do not know maybe i would carry i am" ]

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[ "okay 0 i totally yeah cause i moved it is put it over here then we do not have to worry about it ready for this all set cool alright it is powerpoint time i have done more powerpoints in this particular experiment than i have ever done in my life before this experiment which is kind of fun yeah 0 man so here we have our detailed design meeting where we will look at the prototype and right so i finally figured out what this whole 2nd bullet point is about in my that my coach was sending to me it means i am supposed to read the minutes from the previous meeting 0 really okay i think huh i do not know otherwise it is just saying i am the secretary and i am therefore i am taking the minutes s so just to go just real briefly to go over minutes from last meeting i will open them slowly no wait for it wait for it yeah that is not you no that is how the wait this is this is very high powered stuff here double clicking there we go so basically the moral of the story from our last minute last meeting was that we that we had meetings from we had presentations done by the industrial designer or from nathan and ron and from sarah about what we can do here and what sort of limitations we are operating with excuse me what limitations we are operating under what kind of risk we would be looking at with some of the various approaches we were discussing and we essentially came to the conclusion that we should develop a remote with voice recognition i e that had a vaguely non remote like shape because you did not really need to use it as a remote since you could just use your voice that would include some mostly just the simple design features for a television operation but with a slide or a fold out bay for more advanced functions for users and the the u i d and the i d were asked to go ahead and start developing a prototype for us to look at so that is sorted back to the main meet here go ahead and take it away guys well we have assembled our prototype what is to be said about it we took into account a lot of the things that we went over in the last meeting some of the most important things to consider are that we decided not to go for the touch screen which you can see and opted for some very large buttons for the primary functions this is going to be the on off button and we have these buttons to go through the channels and then 2 volume buttons down here d we decided those were the most important buttons and then for the more advanced functions there is a slide out panel here and you can see that there are lots of other things going on but this actually can slide back in and provides a very nice esthetic when it is all put away as far as the whole visible light thing we decided to go with the multiple colors coming out why not ah nice fair enough of course if that is annoying for some people that function can be turned off perfect no it is important to we talked a quite a bit about you know the the interchangeable faces and what we have done here is come up with a bit of a natural look here f we call it fruity if you will go ahead right appropriate okay right of course that is interchangeable and i think it would be desirable for the for the regular product in the in the in the in the 1st packaging to be something a little bit more subdued but this is kind of something that can be done and as you can see on the television there we have the voice detector device on the top there kay it is an option 0 right that is this here ah i see so that that will work quite well with with regard to finding this contraption what other things do we see here well if you give it a touch it does have actually a bit of a spongy feel so i think that will work well with regards to our market and let us see well clearly there is going to be some more colors and what not available do you have anything else to add to that i worried about the materials it is the entire thing is covered in a rubber coating so it is very durable it is not going to break like some types of plastic that is dropped and of course as you can see and if you touch it it does have that nice squishy feel it is actually important to note that the television you know if there is an earthquake or anything like that that i it actually is edible inside fact i dunno if you noticed but i wrote the the company is name on the telephone screen i thought that was kinda nice 0 well done yeah yeah 0 ok nice this was actually an apple on the inside do we need to worry about rot factors this it is encased in a new type of 0 okay there is preservatives involved we do not need to worry okay polymer yeah yeah it is fine we got a bit ahead of ourselves i know we are not talking about making televisions at this point or anything like that but fair enough edible televisions it is a wave of the future no but it is a couple years off at least it is pos a possible new product okay but i think that is i think that sums up the main features of our of the remote i dunno if you guys have any questions or f whether that whether we need to worry about any other marketing areas or anything of that nature brilliant right did we come in under budget we did yeah this cost well to put this into production we are looking at about what was our goal it was €1250 and this actually came in at about 1199 so i was quite pleased with that one thing that we did not do obviously we had a choice with the buttons whether to use scroll buttons or standard rubber buttons but we just went for a classic rubber button and since we did that we did not have to use as many microchips which was quite nice and that is what helped keep the cost down brilliant so even though it has a lot of modern technology for example the voice recognition in a lot of ways it is just a simple remote and i think if we shopped around for other manufacturers we might be able to get even cheaper okay did we talk about the voice recognition option and 0 no we have not talked about that yet have we so so yeah on the back here you all noticed this area here which is actually the voice recognition console and i think it is nicely designed into the into the overall look okay yeah but basically the voice recognition incorporates the latest designs that our research team has been able to cufw come up with basically quite similar to the coffee maker design that we were talking about earlier and kay i think that has given a proven ease of use and what not yeah and allows features like the remote actually talking back to the user so right cool any questions do we have other for lack of a better word skins no no i think that is covers in play now or are those ones going to be developed later once we see how the couple we have g go or do you want to answer this one or do you want me to answer it do we know where we stand on that yet well we did not quite have enough material 0 i was not expecting a prototype i just did not know if you guys had any in mind yet yeah yeah 0 i see right well as you can see this is just a most superficial layer and it would be very easy to put another layer of something else like okay just veneer really yeah right okay actually this bottom red ring here just unclips and then you put a a new a new a new plate on top of that and the whole thing okay right so i mean there are i we definitely priced out a spongy even spongier non natural look materials which i think worked out fine yeah there is okay we also continued on with the ideas that f following apple is color schemes with the kind of the light orange and the green kay okay very cool it is not it is not quite a a face plate it is more like a pseudo face plate because it is simple enough that in the factory it could we could very easily put a different one on it okay it locks into place such that you know it is pretty permanent but at the same time if we want to go the other way it is just a matter of a couple of adjustments and we could go the face plate way if you know what i mean okay yep it is still an option if we need it yeah very cool nice job right yeah thanks guys that is very very good work i like it brilliant what we need to discuss now is the finance of it i got me you have got you provided a number that actually sounds quite nice the trouble is i was just given this by finance it is a spreadsheet of the parts and i have just tentatively put in what it is going to look like 0 ooh i am just going to clear this out real quickly but it looks like so we will just if we can just itemize what is in here we have got this it is a solar cell thing right right we did not really touch on that but it it is in there yep with a back up battery with the ba okay and the voice recognition area actually doubles as as the solar cell area clever clever well done yeah so i guess that would mean we have got a bit of a it is a s a speaker and a sensor at the same time is not it yeah yeah it is just making use of the same space and the same materials but okay and the case it is more of a single curved case i guess would be that be the general yeah one big curve i guess you could say and we have got a rubber skin material basically throughout push button interface with this other drop down so maybe we have got 2 push button interfaces do not we yeah and a special i guess it is we have got a sort of a wood materi a rubbery type material that throughout yeah yeah special and s i guess you have to mark special color and special form as well do not you cause it i it is very unconventional i like to think of it as unconventional yeah it is it is quite unique i like it yeah it is so it looks like m come in at 16 a bit over budget 0 huh does not match up does it so what we could do perhaps a simple fix would maybe to switch away from the solar cells or take out the back up battery how do you feel about that i mean i think that if we are talking about it being one of our main selling features being environmental and without the batteries and what not although it does still have a battery so i am not sure that you know what the sell is on that yeah i mean we could take we could take the battery out of it you see and it would probably work 99% of the time but you are going to have to set up a call center for that one of the time when people are calling and saying 0 look my remote is not working what am i going to do k people would be real upset i think in the long run it is better to keep the battery true it is hard to scrap the whole cell battery idea cause that is so integral to the theme that we have what is difficult we have all these things integral to the to the design of it that we just can not back out of now nah it would have to be seems like we would have to go back to square one in a way if we were going to try to undo one bit we would probably have to undo most of it yeah although we do not want to get rid of the whole environmental i mean obviously the solar cell is a big piece of the way we are marketing this as like a natural new thing but honestly if we cut that one piece out we are actually coming in under budget if i have done my math correctly i mean you might be able to sway me on the idea that we our main selling point could be already this voice recognition thing i mean that is what sets us apart right i mean which it is yeah that is what setting us into this young market i mean that is where we started from so i do not know and i mean you know perhaps when the cell technology comes down in price we can bring that back into the game but it looks like at this point that may be out of our league and the reality is you know for me from an ideological stand point i would like to stick with the the solar cell right but i h kind of have to throw myself in the in the business structure model here and you know i think i think that i think that we need to come to a compromise here and maybe move ahead with the project right yeah right it is either or yeah without the solar cell yeah i think unfortunately that is our best option i guess we might have to do that it is the only way we are going to get below our goal is not it of 1250 cause we can not remove the push buttons cause they are and we can not get rid of the i mean removing the changing the case would not be so much of a it kind of yeah yeah savings nor would changing the case materials so yeah that looks like to be the only thing yeah so that would be the it is a major change but yeah got to do what you got to do alright so we are in agreement on that unfortunately i think we are no i think that was a good compromise you brought forward sarah right moving along swiftly so i guess now we just go to the project evaluation which i will allow sarah to take over that would be me cord ah of course sorry no problem whoosh can you reach that would be great thank you yep that would be great i did not even do that one on purpose either damn okay basically i was just evaluating from what we know of how our product is working right now with the criteria that we set at the beginning of these are the things we needed to do these are the things that look like we feel they are important so i was looking at basic design things does it fulfill its functions as a remote is the design what we wanted it to do i are technologies up to where we hoped they would be and does it fulfill the esthetic qualities that our original market research was looking for basic questions like you know does it turn on does it respond to voice recognition and overall in general it looks like it is coming up to par the only thing is with with the pull out panel that is can it take some adjusting because it is a new sort of interface that looked like it was coming up rough but then once you get used to it it does make a lot of sense so i think overall we are headed in the right direction really good so they like that spongy feel yeah it looks like it is going over well so and the paging function works well that is good to hear we worked hard on that one 6 we are we are good yeah we did yeah it is i think eventually if we do branch out with this product maybe we do have a higher budget options and if it goes over with this model we can look into wider range voice recognition like from other rooms of the house and stuff but for now what we have got is working in the range we need it for so it is all good brilliant i am bit disappointed about losing the solar panel but it is okay that is everything from me yeah yeah it is a set back but okay do you need the cord back w we might have we might have lost that granola market again that we are yeah i was just go on i know well they do not own tellys anyway do they i guess that is true true right so this one is a bit unclear to me to be perfectly fair i got this slide from the coach and i am not sure what it is connected to so i guess we are going to discuss our project process and that is going to go into my report so i guess this is the point where we go out of role it looks like and talk about our satisfaction for room for creativity and so forth and how that all worked okay i guess as in within the team or i think so yeah right so it is just kind of a open mic kind of thing or okay i think it is i i think so kay i think hope i am not screwing up an experiment it is now you are in charge so there you go but i trust that she would jump in if i was so okay fair enough yeah whatever right so any thoughts are we considering these points here yeah okay i think they are starting blocks yeah what do you guys feel about the process you know i think in general for a day is worth of work we actually were relatively productive considering the little amount of input we had going in and the technology has definitely been a help it is really been interesting to try out all this new stuff we did not use the whiteboard at all no we did not no no no whiteboard we could now if that would make up for it but really and i feel like if you guys had been designing in here perhaps that would have changed but because of room constraints and does not really matter also had i not been intrigued about the pen i do not think i would have used it at all i did not write barely anything yeah i think i was taking notes more often than usual just cause i liked the pen yeah yeah it is true was pretty cool tack though yeah definitely i am disappointed i did not get a note back from my personal coach as you write your personal coach yeah but i did not get a response so we will see what if you get a response 2 or 3 months from now okay that would be kinda creepy that would be weird attempts to contact coach ineffective well what kind of coaching is that really what if i really needed something i so i do not n i think there was a lot of room for creativity we could do whatever basically what we wanted until the budget came down on us i think so and even then we did get a decent product turned out although it is not everything we wanted it to be yeah with the natural look that is very natural very natural look organic really that is the brilliance of they had a p they had a peeler in here and highly resourceful team mates might i add which is always a plus yeah yeah i think yeah re i thought it was like really creative actually i mean i think the teamwork was good as well yeah i am impressed and to prove that we were not wasteful we did not waste a single bit of play doh we used every bit nice all 4 of those little containers including the s the multi colored wave pattern yeah i guess my one my one criticism is that we did not have enough colors to work with we only had 4 was not enough yeah you could have developed multiple skins really had you had more colors i know it could have been amazing 0 well what did you guys think about the the the roles they were good yeah it is f kind of fun it was yeah i think it was pretty clever cause we were never able to get too far off track because the information came in at the right time and kind of filled in the gaps enough true at the same time you had enough room to kind of just make things up which was kind of fun do your own though i did feel like th the level of information dropped off severely over the course of the day yeah i mean maybe it is just me but i did not actually get any information for the last presentation at all that is true i i got this spreadsheet nothing i did not even get an email like that was it so yeah i feel like that was slightly lacking but then you know fill in the blanks on your own level of creativity upped well i think that was i think that was an issue i kept finding with regard to well no but also yeah when i was reporting about what each of us was doing i was often confused as to what you were doing and then i also felt like you know a lot of our discussion would center around n specifically what my task was because that was kind of the interface portion which was what the whole project was about but and then in the end i think our jobs kind of melded together a little bit more whatever of what to do huh that was not very much you know yeah yes very much so yeah that was fun which was fine i think the most helpful thing out of everything was getting the the powerpoint slides already put together for you cause if we did not have that there is no way we could have got all that done in time yeah already having the formatted stuff helped a lot very much so cool and i think your leadership was quite good it was really good yeah she said i i i she actually made a comment off boy you are getting into this and i really i think it is true i did get i i felt like i got way too into it yeah that is kind of a good thing though you know give the rest of us some structure to work with so hey i felt like i slipped into it a lot it is kinda fun i dunno an so is that the 1st time you have taken on that kind of role the 1st time i have ever done anything like yeah project project management i usually organize crap it is one thing to do you know set up a party with your friends you know yeah yeah little different but you guys felt that you could keep the yeah suspension of disbelief kind of like like the role and the okay yeah yeah i except for a couple moments where it just got out of hand and i knew we were all lying through our teeth other than that yeah i had to admit as soon as w we started i mean as soon as we got the play doh i could only imagine th you know the whole concept of really trying to stick with reality went out the window yeah yeah maybe in in legos you know possibly be fun with legos too like make a remote control or spaceship we used to have spaceship legos did you guys ever used to build spaceships with legos everybody knows best spaceships ever 0 yeah still have em yeah totally you guys felt like there was enough teamwork in all yeah i think so yep you do not no i no i dunno i d i i dunno i do not i i was just i though we did not actually i mean other than minor discussion at meetings there was not except for the actual building yeah but i feel like if this was a team project there actually would have been much more of the collaborative like brainstorming it is true huh use the board well and this would have been 6 months worth of work not like 3 hours worth of meetings yeah i mean i think had the issue been more serious we probably would have brainstormed more during our meetings as a team yeah that is true yeah course i am i am conscious of the idea of the project manager asking if you guys feel like there is a team you know it is like kind of like like it d yeah that is kind of but yeah interesting it is kind of fascinating was not it i mean the whole process of wonder why is there anything about the way that we got so much inform what was it that kept us from going to the the board i do not know i i do not know if there was a ri i th mine was the mics i did not feel like getting up and down and dealing with all these wires i was afraid i was going to break something actually yeah that is it cause the mics are loose and each time you get up it is s a possibility of tripping over something or getting tangled or yeah yeah yeah well i dunno what i would have shown on that board true but it did not even occur to me as an option i mean i do not know that i would have but i know that i consciously did not nor i i mean it is just like the paper i do not know what i really needed the paper for true because i have got this laptop yeah standard i just used it cause it is literally right in front of me yeah i want to see the output files from these from the digital paper well it looks really professional i want to see wh wh what my my handwriting looks like digitized because my handwriting is crap i know yeah that is it i mean just to see what it looks like in p d f format or something usually i would do a lot more doodling too but i did not because i know i felt like i needed to be professional so i did not like draw all over my paper and stuff okay well not entirely but still i doodled less than i usually do t i i am curious about what the de briefing is going to be like you know like what is the what exactly we are looking for here so is this all we need to get through i dunno i am not sure what the new ideas found i is about i guess new ideas it did it just say in an email that we need to discuss that is it well that is the thing i got i in the email i got this powerpoint file but this slide was just there that slide was like that i did not change this one at all well ch i guess we are on the right track yeah well any new ideas with regard to remote control concepts w i kinda like th no none i think they still do their job i think they are fine actually yeah you can not i am thinking outside the little square box though with literally in like form i do not yeah yeah maybe a s a circle would be alright different yeah does kinda make you wonder i mean how much can you do with a remote control it is like inventing a new car yeah yeah you can it is still got to be technically car shaped or it will not fit on the road you know yeah do not know what is that kay our limited ability to think outside the box kind of so this was other costs are we back into project mood i dunno i think this is 0 how long was our meeting supposed to be how much time do we have left 40 ish i i i we should go on a bit yeah about the project eval i dunno about you guys but i felt like a bit under stimulated on the whole thing like what like you know what am i really doing you know what is yeah at the beginning it started out and i felt actually like under pressure like the 1st couple were taking a lot of work and i was like had like all this brainstorming i was doing and then suddenly i was like well it is just another 2 minute presentation that you guys do not really care about anyway so type away yep yeah why hey huh i think it was the real you know you know what i mean like we all sort of knew where we were headed with it so it did not feel like it mattered anymore yeah yeah definitely when when i 1st filled out the questionnaire i was marking it probably higher in terms of how much i had to how much i stressed over it and then by the time i got to the last one i was like you know not very much whatever yeah think it was also realization of you basically just copy and paste what is given to you into your presentation which was not so clear to me at the beginning yeah very much yeah i actually did not do that at all though every single one i a all the presentations i either added slides or edited em i di 0 i added like 5 slides too but i see i only got blank ones 0 did you really i just got blank ones and what really my slides were all blank they would have a title maybe and they were just empty yeah mine too me too did they not have they did not like mine yeah they did not come like this like with this was what it looks like like with those words already on it this is what that looked like literally just like that no no interesting i wondered why yours always looked so more complicated huh huh huh i deleted slides i think i added a slide one time i added many slides every time yeah hey with the whole new background being innovative yeah that was class that was pretty cool it was a high moment of the whole experiment interesting any other thoughts come to mind i want to know how our product would fare i can not just leave it there i think it would fail i think it would be a huge disaster especially if it looks like that i think it would take extensive marketing okay an apple with a red button on top even i am skeptical but you know the whole even you yeah i do not we kind of designed it to look little bit like a face yeah but i know it is it is a happy face actually that looked a lot more like a tongue from previous to fr some other design modifications builds i hope you appreciate the incorporation of some tin foil from a random kit kat bar that happened to be consumed i i noticed that by accident interesting well huh an interesting day all in all i would say yeah it is yeah i would say so so again i reiterate my question of how different we are comp compared to the other groups especially between culture groups and what not i know i know it seemed like everything flowed pretty logically i want to see a i you know from the the the basics to the conce although the whole concepts thing the whole concepts phase i do not think i really understood like the concept yeah well the id okay the notion of yeah i mean i it is not like i have a concept of a mug is material it is just it is what it is cause it is such a functional item yeah you know maybe i rather than concepts i it should be th thought of we sh i i thought of i thought of rather than in terms of concepts i thought of it in terms of like proposed idea and then the final would be like th the actual specified prototype or whatever i dunno but all in all it is kinda interesting so we have more slides or no just this closing one no we have established that the costs were not really within budget but we could s you know do it we got it to be we did the project evaluation based on sarah is evaluation of on off switches and like cutting corners kind of though it was really technically an evaluation of the product not the project in general which i am not sure is the same thing at the time that just i made more sense but i could see if they were really asking about us true yeah cause we di we had a thu think about it yeah and it is all recorded woo hoo yeah what i am going to i am going to put i am supposed to do this final report thing at the end so i will put all that into the final report as well yay or as much as seems like maybe not like the articles and stuff like because and if and so forth but i will put most of it in the reports i make it sound eloquent it would be so cool if we get a copy of the recording 0 i have to done i have i have done transcription before and it is really ridiculous how many words people say like just in the middle of their sentences like that that mean nothing nice 0 yeah there is a whole branch of psychology that looks into that psycholinguistics what the uhs and the really there is a guy studying it here yeah he is studying ums and ahs or something filler words or yep they are called disfluencies yeah disfluencies that is a good word for it yeah we like our fancy phrases and terminologies for things just add some prefixes sounds classier exactly i will save this into the project documents i find myself hitting the send and receive button on the email a lot just out of boredom like c come on gimme something i yeah pretty compulsively during meetings like yeah yeah 0 yeah yeah i know come on give me some information well to be fair we are we are hooked we are all hooked on the internet so i mean i do the yeah we are addicts that is scary yeah it is scary well just around that 8 or or 9 people that are i know imagine we went the 1st 10 y 15 years of our lives without the internet it is only in the last 10 that we are like where is the internet yeah i mean you know it just in the past 5 we have gone from 288 modems to broadband all the time i yeah dude i think we have had internet for like 18 years true no we have but i not in the sense that it is so un you know ubiquitous i yeah yeah but it is not regular i mean my grandparents had it in the 80s and i got it in 94 but still it is crazy huh so in the 80s my grammy does computer science back in the states and so they had an e d u and governor network there is basically the fundamental structures but it was not household to household yet because it had not been right yeah it was to the like 7 universities or something partitioned off and stuff yeah that was him you guys ready to celebrate yeah that is our last step apparently does that include like champagne or something exciting celebration should i think so kay i guess we can probably call that meeting to an end for the most part i think that is a closer cool has it been 40 minutes or whatever this has been long enough celebrate where do you find that i have no idea is that the only song you have there is another one is this one of those media player huh yep w 0 that is awesome the default track maybe i have a different one i thought it was david burns look into the eyeball that is one that seems to be shipping with it shipped with for a while maybe this is the new version so is that a close yeah i guess we will call that a a doner okay that is the end of the meeting fab thank you gentlemen i feel like i am signing off" ]

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[ "0 i am going to all me 0 i told me i can not even yeah because i moved it all set all set all right it is powerpoint time i have done more powerpoints in this particular experiment than i have ever done in my life before this experiment yeah which is kind of fun so here we have our detailed design meeting where we will look at the prototype right so i finally figured out what this whole 2nd bullet point is about in my that my coach was sending to me it means i am supposed to read the minutes from the previous meeting 0 really okay i think i do not know otherwise it is just saying i am the secretary and i am therefore i am taking the minutes so just to go just real briefly to go over minutes from the last meeting i will open them slowly no wait for it wait for it yeah that is not you no that is not me wait this is very high powered stuff here double clicking there we go so basically the moral story from our last meeting was that we had meetings from we had presentations done by the industrial designer or from nathan and ron and from sarah about what we can do here and what sort of limitations we are operating with or excuse me what limitations were operating under what kind of risk we would be looking at with some of the various approaches we were discussing and we essentially came to the conclusion that we should develop a remote with their voice recognition that had a vaguely non remote like shape because you did not really need to use it as a remote since you could just use your voice it would include mostly just the simple design features for a television operation but with a slide or a fold out bay for more advanced functions for users and the uid and the id were asked to go ahead and start developing a prototype for us look at so that is sorted back to the main meet here go ahead and take it away guys well we have assembled our prototype what is to be said about it we took into account a lot of the things that we went over in the last meeting some of the most important things to consider are that we decided not to go for the touchscreen which you can see and opted for some very large buttons for the primary functions this is going to be the on and off button and we have these buttons to go through the channels and then 2 volume buttons down here we decided those were the most important buttons and then for the more advanced functions there is a slide out panel here you can see that there are lots of other things going on but this actually can slide back in it provides a very nice esthetic when it is all put away as far as the whole visible light thing we decided to go with multiple colors coming out why not of course if that is annoying for some people that function can be turned off perfect now it is important to we talk to quite a bit about you know the interchangeable faces and what we have done here is come up with a bit of a natural look here right we call it broody appropriate right of course that is interchangeable and i think it would be desirable for the you desirable for the regular product in the 1st packaging to be something a little bit more subdued but this is kind of something that can be done and as you can see on the television there we have the voice detector device 0 right on the top there so that will work quite well with regard to finding this contraption what other things do we see here if you give it a touch it does have actually a bit of a spongy feel so i think that will work well in regards to our market let us see well clearly there is going to be some more colors and whatnot available do you have anything else to add to that i am worried about the materials the entire thing is covered in the rubber coating so it is very durable it is not going to break like some types of plastic that is dropped and of course as you can see if you touch it it does have that nice squishy feel it is actually important to note that the television you know if there is an earthquake or anything like that it actually is edible inside i do not know if you noticed but i wrote the company is name 0 well done yeah this is actually an apple on the inside do we need to worry about rot factors it is encased in a new type of 0 okay there is preserved as involved in it we got a bit ahead of ourselves i know we are not talking about making televisions edible televisions it is a wave of the future it is a couple years off at least a possible new product but i think that sums up the main features of the remote i do not know if you guys have any questions or whether we need to worry about any other marketing areas or anything of that nature did we come in under budget we did yeah this costs well to put this into production looking at about what was our goal it was $1250 and this actually came in about $1199 so i was quite pleased with that one thing that we did not do obviously we had a choice with the buttons whether to use scroll buttons or standard rubber buttons but we just went for a classic rubber button and since we did that we did not have to use as many microchips which was quite nice that is what helped keep the cost down right so even though it has a lot of modern technology for example the voice recognition a lot of ways it is just a simple remote i think if we shopped around for other manufacturers we might be able to get it even cheaper did we talk about the voice recognition option 0 no we have not talked about it so on the back here you will notice this area here which is actually the voice recognition console and i think it is nicely designed into the into the overall look but basically the voice recognition incorporates the latest designs that our research team has been able to come up with basically quite similar to the coffee maker design that we were talking about earlier and i think that has given a proven ease of use and whatnot yeah and allows features like the remote actually talking back to the user cool any questions no no i think that is do we have other for lack of a word skins covers in play now are those going to be developed later once we see how the couple we have go or do we know we stand on that yet well we did not quite have enough material 0 i was not expecting a prototype i just know if you guys had me in mind yet right well as you can see this is just a most superficial layer it would be very easy to put another layer just something else actually this bottom red ring here just unclips and then you put a new plate on top of that so i mean there are we definitely priced out a spongy even spongier non natural look which i think worked out fine we also continued on with the ideas of following apple is color schemes with kind of the light orange and the green it is not quite a faceplate it is more like a pseudo faceplate because it is simple enough that in the factory we could very easily put a different one on it walks into place such that it is pretty permanent for the same time if we want to go the other way it is just a matter of a couple of adjustments we could go the face plate way if you know what i mean yep it is still an option yeah very cool nice job right yeah thanks guys that is very good work i like it brilliant what we need to discuss now is the finance of it you have provided a number that actually sounds quite nice the trouble is i was just given this by finance it is a special spreadsheet of the parts and i have just tentatively put in what it is going to look like i am just going to clear this out real quickly but it looks like so we will just if we can just itemize what is in here we have got this it is a solar cell thing right right with a backup battery it is in there with the back okay the voice recognition area actually doubled as the solar cell area clever clever well done so i guess that would mean we have got a bit of a it is a speaker and a sensor at the same time is not it yeah it is just making use of the same space and the same materials in the case it is more of a single curved case i guess that would be the general yeah one big curve i guess you could say and we have got a rubber skin material basically throughout push button interface with this other drop down so maybe we have got 2 push button interfaces do not we yeah and special i guess we have got a sort of a wood material a rubbery type material yeah special throughout yeah i guess you would have to mark special color and special form as well i am sure because it is very unconventional yeah it is quite unique i like it yeah so it looks like a bit over budget 0 i just know so what we could do perhaps a simple fix would maybe to switch away from the solar cells or take out the backup battery how do you feel about that i mean i think that if we were talking about it being one of our main selling features being environmental and without the batteries and whatnot although it does still have a battery so i am not sure that you know what the sell is on that i mean we could take the battery out of it you see and it probably worked 99% of time but you are going to have to set up a call center for that one of time and people are calling and saying 0 look my remote is not working what am i going to do people would be really upset i think in the long run it is better to keep keep the battery and it is hard to scrap the whole solar battery idea because that is so integral to the theme that we have well it is difficult we have all these things integral to the design of it that we just can not back out of now it would have to be it seems like we would have to go back to square one in a way if we were going to try to undo one bit we would probably have to undo most of it although we do not want to get rid of the whole environmental i mean obviously the solar cell is a big piece of the way we are marketing this is like a natural new thing but honestly if we cut that one piece out we are actually coming in under budget if i have done my math correctly i mean you might be able to sway me on the idea that our main selling point could be already this voice recognition thing i mean that is what sets us apart right yeah that is what is setting us into this young market i mean that is what we started from so i do not know and i mean you know perhaps when the cell technology comes down in price we can bring that back into the game but it looks like at this point that may be out of our league and the reality is you know for me from an idea of that logical standpoint i would like to stick with the solar cell but i kind of have to throw myself in the business structure and model here and you know i think it is either or i think that i think that we need to come to a compromise here and maybe move ahead with the project without the solar cell yeah i think unfortunately that is our best option it is the only way we are going to get below goal is in 1250 because we can not remove the push by the because they are yeah we can not get rid of the i mean removing the changing the case would not be so much of a so much of nor would changing the case materials so yeah that looks like to be the only thing so that it is a major change but yeah all right so we are in agreement on that unfortunately i think we are i think that was a good compromise you brought forward to right moving along swiftly so i guess now we just go to the project evaluation which i will allow sarah to take one that would be me cord 0 of course sorry no problem can you reach that would be great thank you that would be great i did not even do that one on purpose either okay basically i was just evaluating from what we know of how our products working right now with the criteria that we set at the beginning of these are the things we needed to do these are the things that look like we feel they are important so i was looking at basic design things basic design things does it fulfill its functions as a remote is the design what we wanted to do are our technologies up to where we would hoped they would be and does it fulfill the extended qualities that our original market research was looking for basic questions like you know does it turn on does it respond to voice recognition and overall in general it looks like it is coming up to par the only thing is with the pullout panel that is going to take some adjusting because it is a new sort of interface that looked like it was coming up rough but then once you get used to it it does make a lot of sense so i think overall we are headed in the right direction really good so range voice recognition like from other rooms of the house and stuff but for now what we have got is working in the range we need it for so it is all good really i am at this point losing the solar panel yeah it is okay yeah it is a setback but okay do you need the cord back we might yeah we might have lost that granola market again 0 they do not tell these anyway do they i guess that is true right so this one is a bit unclear to me to be perfectly fair i got this slide from the coach and i am not sure what it is connected to so i guess we are going to discuss our project process and that is going to go into my report so i guess this is the point where we go out a role it looks like and talk about our satisfaction for a room for creativity and so forth and how that all worked i guess as in within the team i think so yeah right so it is just kind of open mic kind of thing i think so it is now you are charged so there you go i am not screwing up an experiment but i trust that she would jump in if i was so okay fine on me whatever right so any thoughts are we considering these points here yeah i think they are starting blocks yeah what did you guys feel about the process you know i think in general for a day is worth of work we actually are relatively productive considering the little amount of input we had going in and the technology has definitely been to help it is really been interesting to try out all this new stuff we did not use the whiteboard at all no no whiteboard we could now if that had makeup board really and i feel like if you guys had been designing in here perhaps that would have changed but because of room constraints it does not really matter also had i not been intrigued about the pen i do not think i would have used it at all i did not write barely anything yeah i think i was taking notes more often than usual just kind of like the pen yeah that is true it was a pretty cool tack though i am disappointed i did not get a note back for my personal coach did you write your personal coach yeah but i did not get a response what if you get a response to 2 or 3 months from now okay that would be kind of creepy attempts to contact coach well what kind of coaching is that really what if i really needed something so i think there was a lot of room for creativity we could do whatever basically wanted until the budget came down on us and even then we did get a decent product turned out although it is not everything we wanted it to be yeah with the natural look it is very natural look organic really it is brilliant so they had a peeler in here and highly resourceful teammates might i add which is always in class yeah i thought it was really creative actually yeah i am impressed the teamwork was good to prove that we were not wasteful we did not waste a single bit of play doh we used to every bit nice all 4 of those little containers including the multicolored wave pattern my one criticism was that we did not have enough colors to work with we only had 4 yeah you could have developed multiple skins really i know more color it would be amazing i love what did you guys think about the roles they were good yeah it is kind of fun yeah it was i think it is pretty clever because we were never able to get too far off track because the information came in at the right time and kind of filled in the gaps enough the same time you had enough room to kind of just make things do your own do your own though i did feel like the level of information dropped off severely over the course of the day yeah i mean maybe it is just me but i did not actually get any information for that this presentation at all that is true i got the spreadsheet i did not even get an email like that was it so yeah i feel like that was slightly lacking but then you know fill in the blanks on your own level of creativity up well i think that was an issue i kept finding with regard to what to do well no but also yeah when i was reporting about what each of us was doing i was often confused as to what you were doing that was not very much and then i also felt like you know a lot of our discussion would center around specifically what my task was because that was kind of the interface portion which is what the whole project was about very much so but and then in the end i think our jobs kind of melded together a little more that was fun i think the most helpful thing out of everything was getting the powerpoint slides already put together for you because if we did not have that there is no way we could have got all that done in time very much so cool i think your leadership was quite good it was she actually made a comment off on the boy you are getting into this and i really it is true i did get it i felt like i got way too into it that is kind of a good thing though i feel like i slipped in a lot give the rest of us some structure to work with so hey so is that the 1st time you are taking on that kind of rule the 1st time i have ever done anything like yeah project management i usually organize crap it is one thing to do you know set up a party with your friends yeah you know a little different but you guys felt that you could keep the yeah suspension of disbelief kind of like the role except for a couple moments where it just got out of hand and i knew we were all lying through our teeth other than that i had to admit as soon as we started i mean as soon as we got the play doh i can not even imagine you know the whole concept of really trying to stick with reality went out the window yeah yeah maybe legos you know possibly legos too like a remote control or a spaceship we should just have spaceship legos do you guys ever used to build a spaceship 0 yeah yeah everybody knows totally best spaceships ever you guys felt like there is enough teamwork and all yeah i think so yeah no i do not know i do not know i do not i was just no we did not actually i mean other than minor discussion in meetings there was not except for the actual building yeah but i feel like if this was a team project there actually would have been much more of the collaborative like brainstorming and used the board well and this would have been 6 months worth of work not like yeah 3 hours worth of meetings i mean i think had the issue being more serious we probably would have brain storm more during our meeting so that is true yeah of course i am conscious of the idea of the project manager asking if you guys feel like there is a team it is that kind of like yeah that is kind of but yeah interesting it is kind of fascinating was not it i mean the whole process of i wonder why is there anything about the way that we got so much what was it that kept us from going to the board i do not know i do not know if there was a record mine was the mics i did not feel like getting up and down and dealing with all these wires i was afraid i was going to break something the mics are loose and each time you get up it is a possibility of tripping over something getting tangled or well i do not know what i would have shown on the board true but it did not even occur to me as an option i mean i do not know that i would have but i know that i consciously did not i mean it is just like the paper i do not know what i really needed the paper for true because i have got this laptop yeah i just used it because it was literally right in front of me i want to see the output files from the digital paper i want to see what my handwriting looks like digitized because my handwriting is crap yeah i mean just to see what it looks like in pdf format or something usually i would do a lot more doodling too but i did not i know i felt like i needed to be professional so i did not like drawl them in my paper and stuff okay well not entirely but still i do it less than i usually do i am curious about what the debriefing is going to be like you know like what is the what exactly we are looking for here so is this all i need to go through i do not know i am not sure what the new ideas found it is about ideas did it just say in an email that we need to discuss that well that is the thing in the email i got this powerpoint file but this slide was just there that slide was like that i did not change this one at all wow and i guess we are on the right track yeah i am on any new ideas with regard to remote control concepts no i kind of like it i think they still do their job yeah they are fine actually i am thinking outside the little square box though it is literally in like form yeah maybe a circle would be all right yeah different this is kind of make you wonder i mean how much can you do with a remote control it is like inventing a new car yeah yeah you can it is still got to be technically car shaped and will not fit on the road yeah do not know where is that a limited ability i will be back into i do not know i think this is well how long was our meeting supposed to be how much time is 40 ish i we should go on a bit yeah about the project eval i do not know about you guys but i felt like a bit under stimulated on the whole thing like what like you know what am i really doing you know what is yeah at the beginning it started out and i felt actually like under pressure like the 1st couple yeah taking a lot of work and i was like had like all these brainstorming i was doing and then suddenly i was like well it is just another 2 minute presentation that you guys do not really care about anyway so you know what i mean like we we also knew where we were headed with it so it did not feel like it mattered anymore when i 1st filled up the question i was marking it probably higher in terms of how much i had to how much i stressed over it and by the time i got to the last it was like whatever i think there was also a realization of basically just copy and paste what is given to you into your presentation which was not so clear to me at the beginning i actually did not do that at all though every single one all the presentations i either added slides or edited them 0 i added like 5 slides see i only got blank ones i just got blank ones what really my slides were all blank they would have a title maybe yeah mine too and they were just empty me too they did not like mine yeah they did not come like this like this was what it looks like like with those words already on it literally just like that interesting i wonder why yours always looked so more complicated i did not need slides i think i added it i have a slide one time i did many slides every time with the whole new background being innovative that was pretty cool that was class it is a high moment of experiment interesting i want to know how our product was there i think it would fail i think it would take extensive marketing okay the red button on top even i have the skeptical but you know the whole even you we kind of designed it to look a little bit like a face i know it is here brian it is a happy face actually that looked a lot more like a tongue previous to build other design modifications i hope you appreciate the incorporation of some tin flail from a random kit cat bar that happened to be consumed by accident interesting an interesting day all in all of and all yeah i would say so so again i reiterate my question of how different we are compared to the other groups especially between culture groups and whatnot i know i know it seemed like everything is flowed pretty logically you know from the basics to the concept although the whole concepts thing the whole concepts phase i do not think i really understood like the concept well the idea okay the notion of functional item yeah i mean it is not like i have a concept of a mug is material it is just it is what it is yeah you know maybe rather than concepts it should be thought of we should i thought of it i thought of it i thought of it in terms of concepts i thought of it in terms of like proposed idea and then the final would be like the actual specified prototype or whatever i do not know but i know it is kind of interesting so we have more slides or no just this closing one we have established that the cost were not really within budget but we could you know do we got it to be we did the project evaluation based on based on that sarah is evaluation of on off switches it was really technically an evaluation of the product not the project in general which i am not sure is the same thing at the time that just made more sense but i could see if they were really asking about us yeah because we had to think about it yeah and it is all recorded woohoo and what i am going to put i am supposed to do this final report thing at the end so i will put all that into the final report as well or as much as it seems like maybe not like the articles and stuff like because and if and so forth but i will put most of it in the reports it would be so cool if we get a copy of the recording i have had to done i have done transcription before and it is really ridiculous how many words people say like just in the middle of their sentences like that that mean nothing there is a whole branch of psychology that looks into that psycholinguistics there is a guy sitting it here yeah he is studying the odds or something yep they are called disfluencies disfluencies that is a good word for it yeah we like our fancy phrases and terminologies just add some prefixes sounds classier exactly i will save this into the project i find myself hitting the send and receive button on the email a lot yeah pretty compulsively straight yeah i know something come on give you some information well to be fair we are all hooked on the internet yeah so i mean i do we are addicts that is scary yeah it is scary i will just throw on that area there i know imagine we went the 1st 10 15 years of our lives without the internet it is only in the last 10 that we are like where is the internet i mean you know just in the past 5 we have gone from 28 8 modems to broadband all the time i think we have had internet for like 18 years no we have but not in the sense that it is so you know ubiquitous my grandparents had it in the 80s and i got it in 94 but still it is crazy so in the 80s my grandma did computer science back in the states and so they had an edu and governor network there was basically the fundamental structures but it was not household to household yet because it had not been yeah it was to the like 7 universities or something yeah that was him you guys were ready to celebrate yeah that is our last day does that include like champagne or something exciting should i think you can probably call that meeting to an end i think that is a closer cool has it been 40 minutes sort of because it has been long enough celebrate where did you find that i have no idea that is the only song you have there is another one this is windows media player huh that is awesome the default track i thought it was david burns looking to the eyeball that is the one it seems to be shipping with it i hardly shipped with for a while maybe this is a new version so is that a close yeah i guess we will call that a dinner that is the end of the meeting fab thank you gentlemen i feel good to find it on" ]

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[ "yeah it is with cameras you look quite funny at the moment tim this is not supposed to look like just ah sod that okay there nice group k da yeah yeah i guess whatever it is yeah i never get this so what is the point of if this is strapless if this strap is supposed to go behind m i obviously doing this wrong obviously failing this like whatev calling center and tra you you have this going behind your ears the yeah like this and then yeah you know what the shit has to do now yeah look is good yeah okay yes so actually i just realize i do not have power let me just switch on the other which is going to run out okay okay so there is probably not much to talk about at the moment in terms of like talking about each other is stuff i mean beyond what we have been talking about yesterday yeah that is true i think so what i have been thinking is maybe if we try to really make sense together of the x m l format to be sure that we can all produce the data that we are producing in a way or at least i mean i guess my data i will probably load in from completely different way anyway because it is matrix but all this stuff that goes with annotation that we have it in the right format maybe if we just sort of pool what we know about the x m l format and try to make sense of it i do not at all know how to go about this what i did just now is i downloaded i downloaded some files some x m l files and i was thinking if we maybe just should go through some of them and like try to see if you understand the general structure and pool together what we think about the structure 0 yeah what we think that things mean and then talk about how the annotation for information density and stuff should maybe be structured in a similar way yeah or but i do not r i do not really have an idea like what other words what we would do today in this meeting i mean yeah we have not got that much to talk about i do not think no just maybe talk about how you would give me your data file yeah yeah yes we can do that what is that part that is the interface between having the topic segments and calculating the information importance of words yeah so i i would need separate files for each segment or just maybe have delimiters inbetween each segment alright yeah well that that is the way it works it has got delimiters in between the mar the boundaries okay yeah and y then i can make files of that but yeah if you are happy to do that yeah alright and you are saying you need a a label for each segment but i mean the most i ca you do not need a one no i do not kno know it no well i could give you an i d but it would be quite difficult to actually give a topic a title yeah that is fine i just i just need a a title for the file but does not matter what it is right okay yeah that is no problem yes so does anyone have a good idea where to start like which what so what is it we talk about getting in at the moment we are basically just cause the 2 of you will merge your data together right in some way like i in the end it will result in one annotation yes so the only thing we are trying to tie in is just an additional annotation which is similar to the annotation about what what would it be s most similar to simply to the segmentation information or yes perhaps yeah but i mean they are all very very similar all those x m l files okay i had a look at the for example a s i am not sure it ah see that is what i was thinking not sure what software i have at the moment which would be hello yeah ah does anyone know any good standards software displays x m l i am not sure take mozilla yeah but i am afraid i only have firefox and firefox does not have the nice x m l viewer anymore i think i do not have mozilla no i can probably just emacs them so we have then when we are mixing our values together is it a value for each expression for each sentence or something yeah i think that would be m i mean for me it is quite difficult to say 0 on yeah you know w what scope one annotation would have i think it would be certainly more than one word and i think it would work best with utterances or segments yeah yeah i would just end up with values for each word so i would not have yep any boundaries for segments at all but i just i just would have the words and then how we how long each expression would be i do not know but going from from a word business would not it be easier to then go back and calculate for each utterance yeah but what is an utterance yeah you know wha wha each turn so if we i think just the segments as they are segmented in the for example in the point se 65 okay yeah so what we what we would fit in into the xml files would it be a value for each utterance or what you i think so okay and you would s probably still need your values for the words perhaps for for the keywords that are displayed when you click on something so then we would have to fit in more than just one where values yeah but that is another representation then i think f for the importance measure so d yeah does anyone does anyone know in which file the actual like what is it called the splitting into the utterances but should yeah po is it not segments is is called is that yes or is it dialog act dialog acts no it is not it is for example there is b d b 001 c 6 is it what does it end with does it with with sax does that look like it i can not see anything very much but yeah that is that is it yeah huh okay i think that is it yeah be nice yeah they have all got an i d for each utterance let us actually just see if maybe k right 0 this is how much time you spend just getting the right software going is that better to see i guess yeah white and black is better to see yeah it is better can you use a bigger font so just see if i can view okay so okay so here there is for each segment that is really all segments i mean it is it can be words or topics or anything i think this this that is why th it is for example time provenance dialog act or time provenance segment or time provenance yeah and it has got a different file for each speaker but what is this i mean this does not contain any content like any text no but it yeah n no it just points to the to the words 0 wait somebody s s somebody explain that slowly to me so yeah it p 0 well some of them point to the words other others point to the dialog acts yeah yeah so that is kind of the global thing that ties together other things so what do all these things in this file have in common what what are they yeah they have their nite i d the time no but w like so they are they are segments in what sense wh what is definition of a segment then the i suppose so the utterances but also includes things like like the segment is what is displayed in one line by nite okay and and that is usually dialog what what is difference i between provenance dialog act and between segmenter i do not yeah it looks the segment thing looks in the into the words x m l file and the dialog acts thing yeah i think it is in a different a dialog act a dialog act annotations of dialog act so is that just another representation of text no their their annotation of dialog acts and one segment can have or one of those word strings that are presented in one line can have several dialog acts annotated on it that is why just see can we have this files somewhere so the stuff that is that is called segment here that do we know which file this is pulling from from yeah it is it is c it from words x m l is that it is saying here yeah it is from words yes let me see if i have that words x m l file so let us for example look at that is just below so we n would need a value label for each of those segments that are not dialog acts for all those that point to the actual words okay let me just try to get them all to a different screen is that what we were sorry i am just i am trying to arrange them so that we have one above the other so to make some sense of that so no here we had but i think these segments are perhaps not exactly what we are looking at because that is just 01 tying all the others together and the information or r i mean we are going to create a file that looks more like the words file i think i am just trying to understand what this segments file is about like it is it is referencing here it is referencing to to a certain position in the in the words file yeah think so so it is that non vocal sound one here that is the mic noise okay but what is the does it always just 0 no it is it is referencing to several word structures so this would be basically be a a sequence right yes so that is from w 52 are they not ordered or 0 yeah from w 52 down to w what are we talking about yeah they are and yeah w sorry to discourse marker dis f marker fi 5 yeah that is there no no up up yeah that is there no above go up yeah right yeah okay so this so this is somebody saying it it does not do we have any confirmation do we actually see from this file who is doing it just out of interest yeah yeah this is all the speaker d you and the speaker d 0 sorry in speaker d is file so this is where he would like time stops and then it only starts at a later time because 0 you do not see when i am pointing at screen it is just for this so then it starts here this time against speaker d because in between there is somebody else yes you can see whether there is somebody else or not okay you can see that in the w w 1st it is w 554 and then it is 76 so there are this number of utterances of other speakers in between yeah okay okay so the the file with annotations for information density what would that be like would that be like the segments file giving a start word and end word or or would that how would that be to best tie in with the system yeah i think we would also need 2 of those sorry yeah i think we would have to have the same structure one that points to it where we tie together all our information so we would perhaps have to make one that is similar something like something like this or like where you give sort of a reference to a beginning and an end position yes and then another one that would perhaps give the actual probability value well that would be in the same file would not it it would just could not we have a like yeah it could could probably be in the same file i do not know i guess we could introduce a different but if you have several layers then you can not represent them on the same file we have for now if we just do something which for every segment in here attaches actually can we not tie it to the segments file would that not be the way how they would want it to have to do as if we in the end if we want to attach to each of those segments one number for now and those segments have do they have an i d yeah i guess they do so this is the i d of a specific segment right yeah in segment one there line below yeah so would not it i mean the problem is they have me have not looked at the exact inner workings of their of their engineered but you would think that the easiest way and the way that how it is intended to be would be just if we have here a link to the segment a like an i d for that segment that we just create another file which links to the segment and then has an additional value which is the number so you mean an a an attribute yeah yeah yeah yeah that is what i meant actually yeah yeah 0 sorry i i thought we were talking about having 2 files i was think yeah i i think that i i understood wrong i thought you were wanting to have 2 different x m l files with one the reference and one just th just the number and i was thinking that is probably what you meant just having like for each sort of of our segments having just the i d which is referencing to these segments here and another attribute which is the the value so this whole information we would then store in this ah no that i do not have access to because i did not download like there is this one meta information file where it describes the structure of all the files and describes which which attributes they bring in so we would add that to that file saying that sort of we bring in information density and then we would create the file of that type which we probably could not call it segment i am not sure we probably might have to have a different word for it i am not sure if it there is any trouble with it repeating would not it be easiest to just incorporate a new attribute in in this file in the existing segments file yeah i do not know that is probably not very nice but would quite easy would not it yeah i reckon actually if we make a copy of it but i i mean there is not all the information that is in in the c corpus in there in the segments file yeah i think that is just the things that are loaded every time but we have lazy loading so it can load more than that perhaps we could just try to cope you know to make our file one of those lazy loaded but i mean i have no real idea how that works what what are you saying about the w i th does not the lazy loading apply to everything i mean that it sort of dynamically loads yeah but yes but it has you know a basic thing that it loads i think so for example every time it loads the segment things it can not it can not not display words i think you think it i it l it loads the whole of the segments file every time and it eras i think so that is how i understood it okay the segment at the moment is split up over because otherwise in the in the other things there is no information about what the participant name is and so on so in the segments file it is really the very basic that have to be displayed for any thing but they display the segments in or that the utterances i in their user interface as well where the words are y displayed so so they have they have their utterances displayed in their interface so that is they access probably this file and then they display the words so why should not we be able to do that no but i think it is too early to really like discuss that in detail because we do not at all understand at the moment how the internal data structure like how the loading works so maybe if we g if we go ahead do you think it would be possible for you to do an like something like segments or maybe just a copy of segment which has an attribute for for each segment but it is like with a with a value with a density value yeah i thin i mean it would not be difficult to create a file of the p sh of that shape i mean that would be no problem would it be easier though because all your methods are sort of not working with their whole time frame structure there so would it be easy for you to to tie the things together like if you are doing it on on the word basis here with those words that in the end you then tie it back in into the right segment here i mean you probably have to do a bit of yeah i i do not know how about you with your words but for my segments were the f 0 measurements and all those values i get from there i always store the beg start and end time of everything i calculated there so i would just have to pu put it yes you are doing it time based at the moment so this is not directly having time references but you can get the 0 it is actually here yeah it is okay so if you slice it up by time you would probably be able to just like attach like just some attribute of info val just f to each of those segments actu but actually my segments are not always the same as their segments because and their segments there are pause pauses sometimes yeah can you not just leaves those lines blank a yes but yeah i mean one segment of theirs is sometimes 2 segments of mine that is just what i meant 0 alright okay kay i do not understand enough of what their data structure is this probably would be a lot easier would i really understand how they are handling the data internally cause then we c then i could say 0 it is easy to just tie it in if you just have it time stamped that just reference by words and stuff but t at the moment so you would you are doing i you are doing a word by word base yeah the problem is probably that i extract all the words and then i do not use an i d or something for it so it would be difficult to write it back to the right position okay but every word does does the word picking like does it always have the same information value in your thing i does it depend on its position like it depends on the position i think it be d depends on the position yeah and you are doing this via some software that is like external software so you can not yeah i i could use another a different approach though so what if you if you if you get the results from that software and you go back over it then with that file sort of it you write an algorithm which which then goes back because they they are in the right order still and stuff right so that should not be a problem yeah 0 but this is by speaker here which makes it slightly more difficult the problem is that actually nite x m l probably provides a lot of the tools that we would need to do that yeah but for example i made a file that contains just the start times it could contain end times and words for all speakers of all meetings i mean that is just the same thing as i gave yeah as i gave to you in in a temporal sequence but displaying also a start and end times of every word so you could perhaps use it to match it with your additional information you got could not you yeah what did you use to make that file perl a perl script yeah just in perl you did not use an x m l parser no no okay would you think it would make sense to just take file files by speaker it is it does not matter what input i give to to rainbow so i just could g use the files as they are i do not know if that is that would give an output but but would the information density algorithm still make any sense if you split them up i do not know because i mean the whole i thought the whole thing is that you look at the frequency of a word in that specific how often a word inc occurs in a certain topic versus how often it occurs over the whole corpus and that from that it calculates yeah no it i think it is not versus the whole corpus it is you have certain categories and you measure which words have the highest information for one category so it is the categories across each other i think but would you then not get the typical words for every speaker if you probably yeah but yeah it is it is s strange yeah i have a gut feeling it is not a good idea to split it because it would then say how it find that it is that speaker yeah no but i mean it can not be that difficult if you if you already have you have in the right order all the words with a with a score to them yeah and you have a file which has each word and a time stamp yeah so those 2 tied together have each word and its time and it is probability yeah and and and its proba and its value or or value yeah yeah yeah but what what the problem is i do not know exactly i think the information gain in rainbow is ordered by the value of the information gain not i am not sure if i can get the right order and the values that is the problem so they are they are at the moment so but i if the order stays the same it is no problem at all to i just write back again but if it is ordered by information gain i do not know where the words come from because it is it has a bag of words representation it appears to me that rainbow was made for something quite different yes is it is it was made for text classification so could you put the more information back in then yeah that is the problem i actually like i are you actually sure that rainbow is doing a measure like is returning a measure of what we are trying to measure cause it it seems to me that it is just it sounds like something quite different in in d many aspects yeah what it actually does is that you you put in some documents and you have several documents per category and you have several categories and w and then it measures which words are typical for a certain t category yeah and if you get a new document it will compare which words are in that new document yeah and if there are a lot of words that are typical for one category it will assign it to that category and if it is typical for another one it will assign it to that one but where do you have the original category information from yeah it is because you have y you have oth different files if if this is your directory you have a diagra a directory 12 and 3 yeah yeah and this represents the category everything that is in there is in category one so where do you where do you have them from at the moment the split up a yeah but the topic is not it yeah just split it up somehow yeah that is a topic information in i in the t in the topics in the in the human topic s so you have split them up by topic at the moment yeah no i have just split them up somehow by there are several documents for each meeting and i just put one in each category yeah but so it is it is not very sensible at the moment because i am waiting for the topic segments or i am just yeah okay okay okay cause i was just thinking that does not make sense at all but yeah if you if that is just while you are waiting okay have you ever like looked into different ways of calculating cause i was just thinking like i mean the for example the the infor what is it called the entropy calculation is that she boxed it under the simple calculation that you could probably write the script in no time at all and yeah yeah probably yeah maybe it is it is better if i write it myself because otherwise it is too easy to just split things up into bins and it it would not be any work at all in terms of programming or something yeah but i am also just like i think that probably the entropy value at the moment for a word is closer to what we are at the moment looking for i can just like k k i can sit together with you for 20 minutes and just show you the entropy code that i wrote for my other project and it probably and we should work together because it is we used t we have to we would use the same matrix as i am using in my latent semantic analysis alright you would use to calculate entropy scores and then we would have a score which actually which would be the same for the word in each position so in that sense it is doing something a bit different and like w basically the score that i am talking about is a conditional entropy score which just checks how much information the fact that there is one word tells you about what would be the next word but that is a relatively good measure of whether that is a very specific word in which case they are usually words which tell you quite a lot or a very general word which usually does not tell you quite a lot yeah how does it calculate that actually it it is basically the it is the standard entropy formula okay and you sort of you you so how sure or unsure you are about the what is following our b our context measures yeah yes yes it has i mean i think the official le sort of the official description of what it tells you is how much that like the fact that a given word occurs tells you about what is the next word is going to be yeah which does not sound too exciting but it it just works out in the way that words which are promiscuous and which occur with everything all over the place have very low a scores on that and also usually end up being the words which are p least like expressive and l contain less information well like function words and stuff yeah function words or just very general nouns pr probably like what whatev for example the word computer in that context you could imagine it to f like be in all in all the contexts but do we have enough informa enough data for that it gives us sensible things because i mean the the words we are look really looking for appear not too often and if they appear 5 times in the meeting and they have each time a different you know differ some different surrounded words perhaps we have not enough data yeah so we would we w would not do it by word we would sorry okay i was i was getting that w actually sorry i was getting that wrong i was getting it from what i did my project now in this case we would do it by per mee words per meeting so yeah but that is the sa almost i think similar to what i am doing because words that are in every class i do not understand what you that are not very informative but words that are only in one class are are very informative for that class yes it it is probably doing it is probably doing quite the same thing in the end but i am just saying like with that thing you would easily have an algorithm which at the moment provides you for each word with a score which we can use 0 okay alright no i was i was i was describing the wrong thing in this case we would not be doing how much it tells you about another word in this case we would be doing given that you know a word how good is it at predicting from which specific topic that was yeah okay so that would yeah in that sense it is the same thing here yeah that is th yeah but that would give the same value for one word every time i mean for for a specific word yeah yeah for a specific yeah because then it would be quite easy to re integrate it into such a for a specific word per yeah the same word the word yesterday would be would have the same score all over the place per all over the place and in my case it would have i think it would have different values for each category okay but in that category it would have the same value at each place do you know what i mean i c okay but then it would also be possible to re integrate it it would be more dif i mean it would be a bit more work but then but but your category thing depends on that we not just have topic segments but also that these topic segments we have them in categories yeah you you do would not you need several documents for each category or several segments for each category that would be best but i i would have to look if that do but will it word without that at all at least it works if there are several categories with each with one document each but it yeah cause yeah i mean s so in our case basically every every s topic would be its own category and the question is does the algorithm still make any sense in that i do not understand the algorithm enough for that yeah that is the questio yeah i do not know but what i am really like because the entropical calculation is so simple maybe we should look into making that score just as a preliminary score that we have okay like it it is a very it gives you like i have looked at the result it gives you basically something in the end which vaguely tells you just whether a word is a very specific word or a very general word yes and i like there is some hope that probably having just sentences where there is lots of very specific words if you mark them as being more interesting than the words which are only very general words that they would get us somewhere and what well what score would a word get that just occurs once in all the corpus for example probably one0 is very high information value even though there are all the other same topics where it does not occur yeah cause this would yeah in in a sense i mean this is a bit like the what like document frequency over total frequency measure it sort of just going by so would it be higher scored than a word that occurs in every sequence of the same topic what do you mean every sequence of the same yeah i mean we have s our several topics for example we have 20 topics and for one of these topics there are 5 occurrences and we have one word that within th within the topic so like topic we had to when you say topic you mean like just like from from a beginning to end point like within one meeting there are several topics yes but across meetings there will be the same topic several times but we do not have that information anywhere do we ah it wasn okay i thought that was what you were doing well when it splits the topics up it does do it on regular words that that occur yeah but but it does not tell you what they are no but but you you are segmenting yeah but you make also segment similarity i think that was i i thought that would well i am i am doing one on segment similarity in the end yeah yeah i am doing like finding similar segments basic latent semantic analysis but but like f for now like your segmentation is just splitting a meeting up into different blocks ver yeah yeah you can not really get any other output and they they are not related then to other blocks of not not from what colin is doing from what i no no okay no it is only like i am writing an algorithm that which then tries to also again based on word p occurrence patterns try to link together maybe different ones of those i 0 okay i misunderstood that then so so yeah how would it work i mean what would the his information then be useful for in r rainbow i thought the point about that was that we would put into s serial categories all the segments of the same topic across meetings so that yeah 0 no i li i th i thought something else that we d we just split i need somewhere to split okay and that splitting at category boundaries splitting at topic boundaries would a nice thing to do rather than just splitting somewhere yeah it is supposed to split it into cu coherent topics with the similar information so yeah yeah yeah but but then it does okay yeah i am also a bit b like i am not a 100% sure about rainbow being the right thing cause it seems that rainbow does in its structure quite rely on having different examples of the same category sort of in in a way yeah but it i think it should work for just one document because it it compares between the categories and if you just have one document it still can find out which words are informative for that category and which are not so if you have just one document in each category and there are a lot of occurrences of the word the in each one kay so this word will be not very informative across the categories so it should work for one but i am not sure if how exactly it it calculates everything i think it is not possible to look that up you know what as a byproduct of my l s a i will provide a vocabulary like sort of a dictionary which for each word gives an entropy score entropy score which just tells you of how much information the presence of a word tells you about which topic it is not which category like i am not i am not lumping together separate topic segments into categories but just like how much this word tells you about wh how likely that w the occurrence of that word makes it that it is a specific segment topic segment which is some measure already of how widespread this word is versus how specific f to a certain segment that is and i will just provide that because that is just not much more work than just the usual thing and then we can see how we can tie that in with the other stuff so if you keep on working on rainbow meanwhile and try to find a way how to tie your rainbow stuff into yep some way that we can attach it to a certain time segment yeah maybe it is possible to have a list that it is 0 that is ordered by yeah do not know i am just thinking wh if it it used is each word completely unique like sort of does it treat each word each occurrence of word as a completely unique event or does it i mean no it it has to i mean basically the the form of the word is important right we can not just replace the word by an arbitrary string because it looks if the same word occurs again and stuff i do not know what you mean by that yeah it it has to work with a m yeah well i think it is a stupid question it is like it it it has to work on on on the word like on what i was thinking is whether if we replace the word by something uniquely id identifiable then it would not make a different which order it is 0 right but that would not work because it needs the word because that is all it is working on it is the word and that looks if that word occurs again and versus how often that word occurs in other context right so we can not attach some type of information to the word just to the word string itself yeah like making an underscore making the time or something that would not work yeah alright yeah you you can use some kind of truncation maybe if you attach a number to each word and say that it should omit the last part but would it have that in the untruncated version then like would it s would the output be the untruncated version probably not it will probably no i do not think it would no no yeah maybe i should try something different and just program it for myself because yeah for now i mean really just like yeah i think if we work together on an on an entropy based score it is let me see if i can demonstrate t i mean let us just keep on talking meanwhile and i will try to start that up it is it is it is really d it it is a very simple thing but it it basically just does something which tells you how specific a word is in a sense it is in a it is it is basically just to to a high degree really telling you how r how rare a word is or how common a word is but as as the 1st step that is probably for for a prototype for next week that is probably not a bad thing i mean even if it is just that even if you just like if you have segments where where lots of rare words occur highlighted in darker red than segments where all the very common words occur yeah that is just that is somewhere to start from and it is it is a bit more sophisticated than that but then de facto it just ends up doing that mostly from what i figured out actually i think i am not going to not going to start that now because that is probably going to take too long so if we get it on a word by word basis whatever you do it will probably appear in a word by word basis and what you have on a sort of segment but not quite segment base yes yeah i mean i have not really decided on how to really get the information out of this now because when i have for example increased speaker overlap that applies to several turns of course but i could give the information about yeah how how important this is to each of those segments kay what about the following model i mean this is a very unscientific way of doing it in some sense but what if we if we take time as the standard unit for now and sort of like make a massive one segment split super array because everything you are doing can in one way or the other be ti tied down to actual time so if we if we if for if for each one segment time slot we could attach a value and then it would be easy to then go back when if we have the time marks here and re map that onto onto the length of a segment you know what i mean so if you have for each word say and we know that word starts at this segment and ends at that segment and you have for like for some time period w the overlap and that period on the f ones and that period or something so you also have a value which can be tied down to a time and then we could just in m in matlab or in something just create some massive super array of of things for each for each like sort of time sampling slot and and calculate a value for this and once we have this array we can go with the script and sort of go for each segment to the starting and end times and say okay this is from our time segment f here to this time segment there so we take the some of those and divide them by by the number or something create the average and put it in as the value for the segment you know what i mean yeah but how can we get to know what makes sense as a a function for joining everything together 0 might be difficult to find that out tha that is that is a fiddling play in the end but that problem we will always have yeah because we do not have a useful way of automatically evaluating we do not have a way of usefully evaluating automatically what is good and what is bad so it is it is probably always going to be a question of looking at it and saying okay like running it with different different factor loadings and seeing okay this way it works this well and this way it works that well yeah pros but you proposed we we should break that down to have the smallest smallest unity of time duration should be one word i mean that would be because that would be what naturally came out of her thing but it probably be more difficult for mapped t to map for you to map it on so for you sort of i and yeah sure but i could then if i if i have the value for a segment i would perhaps just give all the important wor or yeah no you you could always find out how many words there are in an utterance could not you yes yeah so yeah but so you say that inst like you basically say w having an array where each each cell is is one like is 0 is one word and then you would map your information onto individual words yeah i would say that someone have to break it down aye i would probably somehow have to break it down to to that level yeah would you be able to find out which word that is and yes sure kay and and then we could have like some type of just point in the end where the one scores from the all the individual word cells get multiplied all with like for each utterance or whatever you have get all multiplied with the same value all the ones that are within that utterance that is sort of the combination of of the 2 scores yeah probably somehow it should work that way for example and then we would have to go back again and then put that back into that segment mode here so that we because in the end we do not want it on a per word basis but probably on a per segment base yeah but then okay but th at that moment it would be better for me to just make it on a per segment basis right way so but and let her adapt it also to the segment basis 0 yeah yeah actually that yeah that is true so that it is easier if you are able to yeah well i think that is probably back where we started at this but you said it wi but you said it is more complicated because your segments are not those segments exactly yeah yeah i mean mine are only more but they have the same start and end point sometimes they are 2 segments and one with a gap in between but the have th th they do not overlap and their segments do overlap no no they do not but the tho those do or those do not they are i mean my segments overlap in the same way as theirs do but sometimes i have split one of the segments into 2 segments but it is easy to match the start and end times to map it to their segments okay so you could on their granularity you could on their granularity create a score like for each for each of their segments i hope so yeah well i guess i mean for you if you know for each word if you find that out then it has to be possible yeah then we sh yeah because if we know sort of this is going from word to word or it this is going from time to time and then there has to be a way then for you say okay this concerns these following words and then just make make a simple mean over them i think an interesting thing is if we do not combine your 2 scores in the in the x m l file you had but if we do that in the software then we can probably make ways of playing with it in the software and sort of l you know like adapting some sort of control like playing around with look like it is playing with different weightings for that the utterance based one versus the word based one and sort of look at it dynamically you know what i mean like playing around sort of figuring out what is the best way of combining them by playing around and looking at the results yeah we could even yeah we could even have a look at our different measures if they that would be quite difficult but yeah come up with the same same kinds of yeah yeah yeah we could probably like make a graphic display initially at least for our experimenting we would just place them in different ways and then see how they interact with each other yeah i mean that is what i am already doing with my s separate okay yeah so do you think y like both of you then can map something onto their segments like just each of you provide one value like double value or whatever like one decimal value or whatever onto onto exactly their segments i think if i can provide something for the words as they are it is stated from where to where the segments go it should be should be possible it is stated both in yeah it is tells you even which words it is yeah so it must should be possible it is done both in terms of words and in terms of segments it is a bit sad sort of that we do this before we have truly figured out how the nite x m l thing works yeah because now we are doing it all by hand and like parsing and un parsing that thing and it is it is all part of the framework yeah how much easier would it be if we truly understood this 0 i am sure it would be quite straightforward some of the tasks we have to do so but yet no one really understands them the actual x m l parsing kay i might just change my order of in which i do things and like forget my latent semantic analysis stuff until the weekend and try to really make sense of the of the nite data system now so that maybe as soon as i have understood that we find ways of doing that in within the nite framework already so that we do not manually have to parse times and entire things together you mean by matching strings or what well at the moment what you would do like to to solve this problem is you would sort of like write some perl script or something that gets this time value out of here and yeah but what i have done is a parser an x m l parser where you can get the start times okay so yeah that is quite easy because it is it is an attribute and you just s say that you want the values of those attributes so provided that you get your words in the right order do you think it is an easy task for you to it it is a f relatively feasible task for you to to get just a single value per segment i think that should be possible i do not know how long it takes me but okay and you say you think you are able as well to map onto those segments yep should be possible and if you are both able to map into those segments then we should be able to get one file where we have like whatever 2 values value a and value b both as attributes for for this and that we could load into a prototype and see what types of disp what ways of displaying this information are there yep yeah i hope to have some value quite soon but i just worked i mean i just calculated the values values for the average f zeros and they are what is c i mean i did not have a look at the data yet but they vary quite widely even for the same speaker across meetings so one speaker had an average of about a hun 100 in one meeting and 160 in another meeting that is really that is strange i mean perhaps it is because of laughter or something that is what i was thinking but i did not have there is probably also social interaction factors in that there is sometimes just a meeting like if people adapt their f 0 to each other then they are sometimes p i will probably look at it yeah that is what i read in one of those papers as well but yeah yeah but it could mess up things quite considerably can you not do something like just like not measuring the f 0 or the amplitude at all but just like the variance of f 0 within a certain time frame and like sort of like just have some part for its very low variance with more the same f 0 and one where there is a lot of more variance i do not well actually i do not know about that at all yeah but ar yeah but all this is quite you know data intensive yeah i when i let the just calculate the average f 0 levels sorry it i think it needed more than half an hour considerably more than what have half an hour f to delay it for our meetings because yeah m i mean we have 75 hours per yeah av average of 6 speakers and they are measured every 0016 seconds and that gives us quite a lot of values okay so at the moment you you just you measuring the f zeros relative to the average for the speaker or yeah what i did at the moment is i yeah i got the f 0 values from for each speaker for his headphone and i only take those the w that were recorded at the time where he was actually speaking and for those i calculated the average 0 ri so the average so that gave me now one value per speaker per meeting okay so what you would be feeding in would be just like one value per speaker per meeting so that oka that that is that is your average baseline okay okay no no that is just the average no that i yeah no yeah that that makes m yeah that makes a lot more sense yeah so that would show you how much relative to how he sort of how he is performing generally in that meeting relative to that how he is in a specific segment he or she yes i mean i r just needed to have this value now to relate m how yeah yeah yeah and for you that would be quite easy to translate into those segments yeah guess i have asked this question 15 times now yeah i think yeah is laughter annotated at all sorry amusement and so on is yeah because you could take that on ours out maybe if you take the laughter out and then calculate it yeah i i i mean it i actually have to look at the data what causes these yeah because it is quite funny to have a m male speaking at 2 hun 200 0 they w they do exist yeah sure but the castrati corps of the international computer science institute 0 well i am afraid i have to go soon but not quite sure i mean is there anything more we have to talk about anyway not the moment maybe if we meet at the weekend 0 i do not know yeah see as soon as as soon as i am halfway through my l s a like basically as soon as i have the the matrix built if of the document by word stuff it is very easy to then calculate for each word a score yep and i can just give you those scores and you can do with them whatever you want so no how about the the prototype if we want to show him something on monday we definite have to work together some of us at least have to work together to get it running probably yeah i think colin dave and me will actually work on on the java stuff and it and we will just see whatever you whatever you supply us we will try to tie in and visualize in some way or another alright i will ask jonathan if we can postpone the meeting to 10 clock yeah that sounds like an idea so that would give us a chance of meeting in for an hour before that to discuss the questions that we had yeah yeah just send us an email and tell us what is happening yeah i have not gotten like sort of my confirmation that w wednesday is fine i am not sure if i am supposed to expect a confirmation for my confirmation from him now or but i will just email him again and s ask him if we can maybe make it one sorry we said 12 and i am asking if he can make one this is a bit frustrating at the moment this project is not it it is so like difficult to to get to the point where you understand enough to really feel that i do not know i am not feeling that i am really working at the moment i am more just trying to make sense of everything and it is a bit too far into the meeting for that and into the project for that yeah and i am at the moment fiddling around with my data and not quite seeing how i get to a sensible abstraction level you know from my very i guess as soon as we have a framework in the w in the type of the prototype where like sort of each of us can tie in their stuff and see what it l how how it looks like and how it performs you know that probably makes it a lot easier then but it is sort of it is a boot strapping problem like for the prototype we need some type of data but to develop the data it would be a lot easier to to have the prototype yeah anyway i got to go yeah so i mean you will be happy with some data even if it does not make much sense yeah me too yes but if it is if it is in a form which is easy to read in at the moment that would be fine sort of like if basically if we have something like this segments file but for each of you like just have one attribute i think it is really easy if we do not merge them before hand but if we let them if we combine them in the prototype or do not at the moment because then we can easily d display them individually c contrast them to each other and play around with how y to combine them try try yeah yeah and also we do not have to recalculate if just one exactly yeah yeah and i mean computationally multiplying 2 integers or doubles or whatever should not be the thing that slows us down yeah if it is already on segments base that is not too much yeah okay alright right" ]

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probably load in a completely different way anyway because it is a matrix but all the stuff that goes as annotation that we have it in the right format maybe if you just sort of pool what we know about the xml format and try to make sense of it i do not at all know how to go about this what i did just now just now is i downloaded some files some xml files and i was thinking if we maybe just should go through some of them and like try to see if you understand the general structure and pull together what we think about the structure what we think that things mean and then talk about how the annotation for information density and stuff should maybe be structured in a similar way yeah but i do not really have an idea like what otherwise what we would do today in this meeting i mean yeah we have not got that much to talk about it i do not think just maybe talk about how you would give you your data file yeah yes what is that what is that part that is the interface between having the topic segments and calculating the information and importance of words so i would need separate files for each segment or just maybe have delimiters in between these yeah well that is the way it works it has got delimiters in between the boundaries yeah and i can make files of that yeah if you are happy to do that yeah and you are saying you need a label for each segment no i do not you do not need the one i could give you an id but it would be quite difficult to actually give a topic title i just need a title from the file it does not matter what it is okay yeah that is no problem yes so does anyone have a good idea where to start like which what is so what is it we are talking about getting in at the moment we are basically just because the 2 of you will merge your data together right in some way like in the end it will result in one annotation so the only thing we are trying to tie in is just an additional annotation which is similar to the annotation about what would it be most similar to simply to the segmentation information yes perhaps yeah i mean they are all very very similar all those xml files i had a look at the for example ais not sure see that is what i was thinking i am not sure what software i have at the moment hello yeah ah does anyone know any good standard software at this place i am not sure take no 0 yeah but i am afraid i only a firefox and firefox does not have a nice no view anymore i think i do not have myself i can probably just image then so what we have when we are mixing our values together is it a value for each expression for each sentence or something yeah i think that would be i mean for me it is quite difficult to say on you know what scope one annotation would have i think it would be certainly more than one word and i think would work best with utterances or segments yeah i would just end up with values for each word so i would not have any boundaries for segments at all i just would have the words and then how we how long each expression would be i do not know but going from a work business would not it be easy to then go back and calculate for each utterance yeah but what is in utterance each turn so if i think just the segments as they are segmented and it yeah so what we would fit in into the xmif files would be a value for each utterance or would you i think so you would probably still need your values for the words perhaps for the keywords that are displayed when you click on something so then we would have to fit in more than just one way of values yeah but that is another representation then i think for the importance measure does anyone know in which file the actual what is it called the splitting into the utterances is it not segments it is called dialog up no it is not doing it it is for example there is bdb 0 one what does it end with with sex does that look like it i can not see anything like that but yeah that is okay i think that is it yeah we have all got an id for each utterance that is actually just to see if maybe k write how much time you spend just getting the rest of stuff to go and is that better to see i guess yeah white it is better to see yeah it is better to figure it off one just see if i can okay okay so okay so here is for this segment that is really all segments i mean it is it can be words or topics or anything i think in these that is why it is for example time provenance dialog act or time provenance segment or time provenance yeah it has got a different file for you speaker but what is this i mean this does not contain any content like any text no it just points to the words 0 wait somebody somebody explained that slowly to me so yeah some of them point to the words others point to the dialog acts so that is kind of the global thing that ties together so what do all these things in this file have in common what what are they yeah they have their night id the time no but like so they are they are segments in what sense what is the definition of the segment then i suppose the utterances but also includes things like the segment is what is displayed in one line okay and that is usually dialog what is the difference between prominence dialog action between segment yeah it looks the segment thing looks into the words xml file and they use dialog acts i think it is cats in a different are dialog annotations of dialog acts is that just another representation of text no there are the annotation of dialog acts and one segment can have one of those word strings that are presented in one line can have several dialog acts annotated on it that is why just you can get these files and some of so the stuff that is called segment here do we know which file this is pulling from yeah it is from words xml is that what it is saying here let me see if i have that word is x tml file so let us for example look at so we would need a value label for each of those segments that are not dialog apps well all those that point to the actual words let me just try to get the multi difference screen i am trying to arrange them one above the other so to make some sense of that so now here we had but i think these segments was perhaps not exactly what we are looking at because that is just one tying all the others together and the information or i mean we are going to create a file that looks more like the world is file i am just trying to understand what this segment file is about it is referencing here it is referencing to a certain position in the words file yeah i think so so it is that non vocal sound one here that is the mic noise okay but what is does it always just no it is referencing to several words sometimes so this would be basically be a sequence right yes so that is from w 52 are they not ordered or yeah from w 52 down to w what are we talking about yeah to this course marker this f marker 5 yeah that is there no up up okay so this is somebody saying it does not with any confirmation do we actually see from this file who is doing it just of interest this is all speaker d 0 sorry in the speaker d is file so this is where he is like time stops and then it only starts it only starts at a later time because you do not see when i am pointing in screen interest for that so then it starts here at this time again speak a deep because in between there is somebody else yes you can see whether there is somebody else or not you can see that in the w 1st it is w5 54 and then it is 76 so there are this number of utterances of other speakers in between okay so the the file with annotations for information density what would that be like would that be like the segments file giving a start word and end word or would that how would that be to best tie in with the system yeah i think we would also need 2 of those so yeah i think we would have to have the same structure one that points to it where we tie together our information so we would perhaps have to something like one something like this or where you give sort of a reference to a beginning and an end position yes and then another one that would perhaps give the actual probability value that would be in the same file would not it it would just yeah could could we have a like i guess we could introduce a different but if you have several layers then can represent them all in the same file for now if we just do something which for every segment in here attaches actually can we not tie it to the segments file would that not be the way how they would want it to do us if we in the end we want to attach to each of those segments one number for now and those segments have do they have an id yeah i guess they do so this is the idea of a specific segment right in segment one the line below yeah so would not it i mean the problem is they have not looked at the exact you know workings of the engine yet but you would think that the easiest way the way how it is intended to be would be just if we have here a link to the segment like an id for that segment that we just create another file which links to the segment and then have an additional value which is the number so you mean an attribute yeah yeah yeah that is what you know yeah sorry i thought you were talking about having 2 files i was thinking yeah i think i understood wrong i thought you were wanting to have 2 different xml files we won the reference and won just the number and i was thinking that is probably what you meant just having like for each sort of our segments having just the id which is referencing to these segments here and another attribute which is the value so this whole information we would then store in this that i do not have access to because i did not download like this this one meta information file where it describes the structure of all the files and describes which attributes they bring in so we would add that to that file saying that sort of we bring in information density and then we would create a file of that type which we probably could not call it segment i am not sure we probably might have to have different word for it i am not sure if it is there is any trouble with it repeating would not it be easiest to just incorporate in your attribute in this file in the existing segments file yeah i do not know that is probably not very nice but it would be quite easy yeah i reckon actually if you make a copy of it but i mean there is not all the information that is in the corpus in the segments fire i think that is just the things that are things that are loaded every time but we have lazy loading so it can load more than that 1st we could just try to cook you know to make our file one of those lazy loaded but i mean i have no real idea how that works what are you saying about the does not the lazy loading apply to everything i mean that it is sort of dynamically loads yes but it has you know a basic thing that it loads i think so for example every time it loads the segment things it can not it can not not display words i think i think it loads the whole of the segments file every time i think so that is how i understood it the segment at the moment is split up over because otherwise in the other things there is no information about what the participant name is and so on so in the segments it is really very basic that have to be displayed for any thing but they display the segments in or that the utterances in their use interface as well where the words are displayed so so they have they have their utterances displayed in their interface face so that they access probably this file and then they display the words so why should not be able to do that you know what i think it is too early to really like discuss that in d d because we do not at all understand at the moment how the internal data structure like how the loading works so maybe if we go ahead do you think it would be possible for you to do an like something like segments or maybe just a copy of segments which has an attribute for each segment which is like with a with a value with a density value yeah i mean it would not be difficult to create a file of the right shape i mean that would be no would it be easier though because all your methods are sort of not working with their whole time frame structure there so would it be easy for you to tie the things together like if you are doing it on the word basis see with those words that in the end you then tie it back into the right segment here i mean you probably have to do a bit of i do not know how about you with your words but for my segments of the f 0 measurements and all those ways i get from there i always store the big start and time of everything i calculated there so i would just have to put it out yes so this is not directly having time references but you can get that 0 it is actually here okay so if you slice it up by time you would probably be able to just attach just some attribute of info well just to each of those segments but actually my segments are not always the same as their segments because in their segments they are pauses sometimes if you could not just use those ones blank yes but yeah i mean one segment of theirs is sometimes 2 segments of mine that is just what i meant okay okay i do not understand enough about the data structure it would be a lot easier would i really understand how they are handling the data internally then i could say 0 it is easy to just tie it in if you just have a timestamp or just reference by words and stuff but at the moment at the moment so you are doing a word by word base yeah the problem is probably that i extract all the words and then i do not use an idea or something for it so it would be difficult to write it back to the right position but every word that is the word picking like does it always have the same information value in your thing or does it depend on its position it depends on the position it depends on the position and you are doing this via some software that is like external software so you can not yeah i could use another a different approach so what if you if you get the results from that software and you go back over it then with that file sort of you write an algorithm which then goes back because they are in the right order still stuff right so that should not be a problem but this is by speaker here which makes it slightly more difficult the problem is that actually night x mail probably provides a lot of the tools that we need to do that i made a file that contains just the star times it could contain end times and words for all speakers of all meetings i mean that is just the same in a temporal sequence i gave yeah as i gave to you but displaying also start and end times of every word so you could perhaps use it to match it with your additional information unit yeah what did you use to make that file perf that is good yeah you did not use that xml password no no okay what do you think it would make sense to just take files by speaker it does not matter what input i give to rainbow to rainbow so i just could use the files as they are i do not know if that is but would the information density algorithms still make any sense if you split them up i do not know i thought the whole thing is that you look at the frequency of a word in that specific how often my word occurs in a certain topic versus how often it occurs over the whole corpus and that from that it calculates no i think it is not versus the whole corpus it is you have certain categories categories and you measure which words have the highest information for one category so it is the categories across each other but would you then not get the typical words for every speaker if you probably yeah but i mean it can not be that difficult if you if you already have you have in the right order all the words with a score to them you have a file which has each word and a time stamp so those 2 tied together have each word and its time and its value yeah yeah what the problem is i do not know exactly i think the information gain in rainbow is ordered by the value of the information gain i am not sure if i can get the right order and the values that is the problem so they are at the moment if the order stays the same it is no problem at all to just write it back again but if it is ordered by information gain i do not know where the words come from because it has a back of words representation it appears to me that rainbow was made for something quite different yes it is it is it was made for text classification so how could we put our information back in there yeah i actually like i am i actually sure that rainbow is doing a measure like is returning a measure of what we are trying to measure because it seems to me that it is just it sounds like something quite different in many aspects what it actually does is that you you put in some documents and you have several documents per category and you have several categories and then it measures which words are typically for a certain category and if you get a new document it will compare which words are in that new document and if there are a lot of words that are typical for one category it will assign it to that category and if it is typical for another one it will assign it to that one but where do you have the original category information from yeah it is because you have the you have different files if this is your directory you have a directory 12 and 3 and this represents the category everything that is in there is in category one so where do you have them from at the moment that split up yeah just split it up topic in the topic in the human topic so you have split it up by topic at the moment topic at the moment no i have just split them up somehow by there are several documents for each meeting and i just put one in each category so it is not very sensible at the moment because i am waiting for the topic segment so i am just okay okay okay i was just thinking that does not make sense at all but yeah if you that is just while you are waiting okay have you ever looked into different ways of calculating i was just thinking like i mean for example the entropy calculation is such a boxed on that simple calculation that you could probably write the script in no time at all yeah maybe it is better if i write it myself because otherwise it is too easy to just split things up into bins it would not be any work at all in terms of programming or something yeah but i was just like i think that probably the entropy value at the moment for a word is closer to what we are at the moment looking for i can just like i can sit together with you for 20 minutes and just show you the entropy code that i wrote for my other project and it is probably and we should work together because it is we used we have to we would use the same matrix as i am using in my latent semantic analysis you would use to calculate entropy scores and then we would have a score which actually which would be the same for the word in each position so in that sense it is doing something a bit different and like basically the score that i am talking about is a conditional entropy score which just checks how much information the fact that there is one word tells you about what would be the next word but that is a relatively good measure of whether that is a very specific word in which case they are usually words which tell you quite a lot or a very general word which usually does not tell you quite a lot how does it calculate that actually it is basically the standard entropy formula so how sure or unsure you are about your context yes yes i mean i think the official description of what it tells you is how much that like the fact that a given word occurs tells you about what is the next word is going to be which does not sound too exciting but it just works out in the way that words which are promiscuous and the word which occur with everything all over the place have very low scores on that and also usually end up being the words which are least expressive and contain less information well like function words and stuff yeah function words are just very general nouns probably like whatever for example the word computer in that context you could imagine it to like be in all the context but do we have enough data for that it gives us sensible things because i mean the words we are really looking for appear not too often and if they appear 5 times in the meeting and they have each time a different you know yeah so we would not do it by word you would data sorry okay i am i was i was getting that actually sorry i was getting that wrong i was getting it from what i did my project now in this case we would do it by per meet words per meeting so yeah but it is almost i think similar to what i am doing because words that are in every class that are not very informative but words that are only in one class are very informative for that class yes it is probably doing quite the same thing in the end but i am just saying like with that thing you would easily have an algorithm which at the moment provides you for each word with a score which we can use now i was describing the wrong thing in this case we would not be doing how much it tells you about another word in this case we would be doing given that you know a word given that you know a word how good is it predicting from which specific topic that was yeah okay so that would yeah in a sense it is the same thing yeah that would give the same value for one word every time i mean for a specific word yeah yeah for specific yeah because then it would be quite easy to reintegrate it into a specific word per the same word the word yesterday would be would have the same word same score all over the place all over the place and in my case it would have different values for each category but in that category it would have the same value at each place okay but then it would also be possible for integrated it would be more different i mean it would be a bit more work but but your category thing depends on that we depends on that we not just have topic segments but also that these topic segments we have them in categories would not you need several documents for each category or several segments for each category that would be best but i have to look at that at all at least it works if there are several categories with each with one document each yeah i mean so in our case basically every topic would be its own category the question is does the algorithm still make any sense i do not know i do not understand the algorithm enough for that but what i am really like because the entropy calculation is so simple maybe we should look into making that score just as a preliminary score that we have like it is a very it gives you like i have looked at the result it gives you basically something in the end which vaguely tells you just whether a word is a very specific word or a very general word and i like there is some hope that probably having just sentences where there is lots of very specific words if you mark them as being more interesting than the words which are only very general words that they would get us somewhere and what score would the word get that just across once and all the corpus for example probably one is very high information value even though there are all the other same topics where it does not occur yeah because this would yeah in a sense i mean this is a bit like the like document frequency over total frequency measure it is sort of just going by so would it be higher scored than a word that occurs in every sequence of the same topic what do you mean every sequence of the same yeah i mean we have several topics for example we have 20 topics and for one of these topics there are 5 occurrences within the topic so like topic when you say topic you mean like just like from a beginning to an end point like within one meeting there are several topics yes but across meetings there will be the same topic several times but we do not have that information anywhere doing okay i thought that was what you were doing well when it splits the topics up it does do it on regular words that it does not tell you what they are no but you make also segment similarity i think that was i am doing one on segment similarity in the end yeah i am doing like finding similar segments based on latent semantic analysis but like for now like your segmentation is just splitting a meeting up into different blocks you can not do any other ip not from what column is doing from what i no it is only that i am writing an algorithm which then tries to also again based on word or current patterns try to link together maybe different ones of those 0 okay i misunderstood that then so so yeah how would it work i mean what would his information then be useful for in wainball i thought the point about that was that we would put into several categories all the segments of the same topic i thought something else that we just split i need somewhere to split and that splitting at category boundaries splitting at topic boundaries would a nice thing to do rather than just splitting somewhere yeah it is supposed to split it and to keep the topics with similar information yeah i am also a bit like i am not 100% sure about rainbow being the right thing because it seems that rainbow does in its structure quite rely on having different examples of the same category sort of in a way yeah but i think it should work for just one document because it compares between the categories and if you just have one document it still can find out which words are informative for that category which are not so if you have just one document in each category and there are a lot of occurrences of the weather in each one so this will be not very informative across the categories so it should work for one but i am not sure how exactly it calculates everything and i think it is not possible to look that up you know what as a byproduct of my lsa i will provide a vocabulary like sort of a dictionary which for each word gives an entropy score entropy score which just tells you of how much information the presence of a word tells you about which topic it is not which category like i am not lumping together separate topic segments into categories but just like how much this word tells you about how likely that the occurrence of that word makes it that it is a specific segment topic segment which is some measure already of how widespread this word is versus how specific to a certain segment that is and i will just provide that because that is just not much more work than just the usual thing and then we can see how we can tie that in with the other stuff so if you keep on working on rainbow meanwhile and try to find a way how to tie your rainbow stuff into some way that we can attach it to a certain time segment maybe it is possible to have a list that is ordered by just thinking is each word completely unique like sort of does it treat each word each occurrence of a completely unique event or does it i mean no it has to i mean basically the form of the word is important right we can not just replace the word by an arbitrary string because it looks if the same word occurs again and stuff yeah it has to work with i do not know what you mean by that yeah i think it is a stupid question like it has to work on the word like on what i was thinking is whether if we replace the word by something uniquely identifiable then it would make difference which order it is but that would not work because it needs the word because that is all it is working on it is the word and it looks if that word occurs again and versus how often that word occurs in other contexts right so we can not attach some type of information to the word just to the word string itself like making an underscore making the time or something that would not work you can use some kind of truncation maybe if you attach a number to each word and say that it is should omit the last part but would it have that in the untrancated version then like would the output be the untrancated version probably not no i do not think it would yeah i do not think it would yeah maybe i should try something different and just program it for myself because yeah for now i mean really just really just like yeah i think if we work together on an entropy based score it is let me see if i can demonstrate i mean let us just keep on talking meanwhile and i will try to start it up it is it is really it is a very simple thing but it basically just does something which tells you how specific a word is in a sense it is in it is basically just to a high degree really telling you how how rare a word is or how common a word is but as the 1st step that is probably for a prototype for next week that is probably not a bad thing i mean even if it is just that even if you have segments where lots of rare words occur highlighted in darker red than segments where all the very common words occur that is just that is somewhere to start from and it is a bit more sophisticated than that but then de facto it just ends up doing that mostly from what i figured out actually i think i am not going to start that now it is probably going to take too long so if we get it on a word by word basis whatever you do it will probably be on a word by word basis and what you hit us on a sort of segment but not quite segment base yes yeah i mean i have not really decided on how to really get the information out of this now because when i have for example increased speaker overlap that applies to several turns of course but i could give the information about how important this is to each of those segments okay what about the following model i mean this is a very unscientific way of doing it in some sense but what if we take time as the standard unit for now and sort of like make a massive 12nd split super array because everything you are doing can in one way or the other be tied down to actual time so if we if for each 12nd time slot we could attach a value and then it would be easy to then go back when if we have the time marks here and remap that on to on to the length of a segment you know what i mean so if you have for each word say and we know that word starts at this 2nd and ends at that 2nd and you have for like for some time period the overlap in that period and the f ones in that period or something so you also have a value which can be tied down to a time and then we could just in matlab or in something just create some massive super array of things for each for each like sort of time sampling slot and calculate the value for this and once we have this array we can go with the script and sort of go for each segment to the starting and end times and say okay this is from our time segment here to this time segment there so we take the sum of those and divide them by the number something create the average and put it in as the value for the segment you know what i mean but how can we get to know what makes sense as a function for joining everything together 0 it might be difficult to find out that is a fiddling play in the end but that problem we will always have because we do not have a useful way of automatically evaluating we do not have a way of usefully evaluating automatically what is good and what is bad so it is probably always going to be a question of looking at it and saying okay like running it with different factor loadings and seeing okay this way it works this well this way it works that well yeah 1st what you proposed we should break that down to have the smallest unity of time duration should be one word i mean that would be because that would be what naturally came out of her thing but it would probably be more difficult for map to map for you to map it on so for you to be sure but i could then if i have the value for a 2nd i would perhaps just give all the important word important for our you could always find out how many words there are in many yes yeah but so you say that in like you basically say having an array where each each cell is one like it is one word the thing and then you would map your information onto individual words yeah i would say somehow have to break it down i would probably somehow have to break it down to that level would you be able to find out which word that is yes sure okay and then we could have like some type of just point in the end where the one scores from all the individual word cells get multiplied all with like for each utterance or whatever you have get all multiplied with the same value all the ones that are within that utterance and that is sort of the combination of the 2 scores yeah and then we would have to go back again and then put that back into that segment mode here so that we because in the end we do not want it on a per word basis but probably on a per segment base yeah but then okay but at that moment it would be better for me to just make it on a per segment basis right way and that her adapted also to do 0 yeah actually that yeah that is true so that it is easier if you are able to yeah well i think that is probably back where we should back where we started with this but you said it is even more complicated because your segments are not those segments exactly yeah i mean mine are only more but they have the same starting end points sometimes there are 2 segments and one with a gap in between but they do not overlap and their segments do overlap no no they do not but those 2 or those do not i mean my segments overlap in the same way as theirs do but sometimes i have split one of the segments into 2 segments but it is easy to match the start and end times so you could on their granularity you could on their granularity create a score like for each of their segments well i guess i mean for you if you know for each word if you find that out then it has to be possible because if you know this is going from word to word or if this is going from time to time and then there has to be a way then for you say okay this concerns these following words and then just make a simple mean over them i think an interesting thing is if we do not combine your 2 scores in the xml file yet but if we do that in the software then we can probably make ways of playing with it in the software and sort of you know like adapt to the file some sort of control like playing around with looking like just playing with different weightings for the utterance based one versus the word based one and sort of look at it dynamically you know what i mean like playing around sort of figuring out what is the best way of combining them by playing around and looking at the results it could be quite difficult but yeah we could even have a look at our different measures if they come up with the same same same kinds of yeah we could probably like make a graphical display initially at least for experimenting which is placed them in different ways and then see how they interact with each other i mean that is what i am already doing with my okay so do you think like both of you then can map something onto their segments like just each of you provide one value like double value or whatever like one decimal value or whatever onto exactly their segments i think if i can provide something for the words as they are it is stated from where to where the segments go which it is it is stated both it is even which words it is it is done both in terms of words and in terms of sections it is a bit sad sort of that we do this before we have truly figured out how the nightex metal thing works because now we are doing it all by hand and parsing and un parsing that thing and it is all part of the framework framework yeah how much easier would it be if we truly understood this well it would be quite straightforward some of the tasks you had to do but no one really understands them but i might just change my order in which i do things and forget my latency stuff until the weekend and try to really make sense of the of the night data system now data system now so that maybe as soon as i have understood that we find ways of doing that in within the night framework already so that we do not manually have to parse times and and tie things together you mean by matching strings well at the moment what you would do like to solve this problem is you would sort of like write some pulse script or something that gets this time value out of here what i have done is a parser an xml parser where you can get the start times okay so that is quite easy because it is an attribute and you just say that you want the values of those attributes so provided that you get your words in the right order do you think it is an easy task for you it is a relatively feasible task for you to get just a single value per segment i think that should be possible i do not know how long it takes me okay and you say you think you are able as well to map onto those segments yeah and if you both able to map into those segments then we should be able to get one file where we have like wherever 2 values value a and value b both as attributes for this for this and that we could load into a prototype and see what types of what ways of displaying this information are there have some value quite soon that i just worked i mean i just calculated the values for the average of zeros and they are i mean i did not have a look at the data yet but they vary quite widely even for the same speaker across meetings so one speaker had an average of about 101 meeting and one meeting and 160 another meeting that is really strange i mean perhaps it is because of laughter or something that is what i was thinking but i did not have there is probably also social interaction factors in that there sometimes just a meeting like if people adapt their zeros to each other than sometimes yeah that is what i read in one of those papers yeah that could mess up things quite conservative do you not do something like just like not measuring the f 0 the absolute role but just like the variance of f 0 within a certain time frame and like sort of like just have some parts where it is very low variance where they are more less talking at the same f 0 and one where there is a lot of more variants i do not know about that yeah but all this is quite you know data intensive yeah i when i am let the just calculate the average of 0 levels it i think it needed more than half an hour considerably more than half an hour to do that for our meetings because yeah we have 75 hours per yeah average of 6 speakers and they measured every 0016 seconds and that gives us quite a lot of values okay so at the moment you are just you measuring the f 0s relative to the average for the speaker or yeah what i did at the moment is i yeah i got the f 0 values from for each speaker for his headphone and i only take those that were recorded at the time where he was actually speaking and for those i calculated the average so the average that gave me now one value per speaker per meeting okay so what you would be feeding in would be just like one value per speaker per meeting no no that is just the average that is your average baseline okay okay no yeah that makes a lot more sense so that would show you how much relative to how he is sort of how he is performing generally in that meeting relative to that how he is in a specific segment he or she yes i mean i just needed to have this way you know to relate yeah yeah and for you that would be quite easy to translate into those segments yeah i guess i have asked this question 15 times is laughter annotated at all because you could take that and out maybe yeah i mean i actually have to look at the data what causes these because it is quite funny to have a male speaking at 200 0 they do exist yeah sure but the castratikor of the international computer science institute 0 well i am afraid i have to go soon i am not quite sure but there is anything more we have to talk about anyway maybe as we meet at the weekend meet at the weekend yeah see as soon as i am halfway through my lsa like basically as soon as i have the matrix built of the document by word stuff it is very easy to then calculate for each word a score and i can just give you those scores and you can do with them whatever you want so how about the prototype if we want to show him something on monday we definitely have to work together some of us at least have to work together to do to work together to get the running yeah i think colin dave and me will actually work on the java stuff in it and we will just see whatever you supply us we will try to tie in and visualize in some way or another i will ask jonathan if we can postpone the meeting to 10 clock yeah so that would give us a chance of meeting for an hour before that to discuss the questions that we had yeah yeah you just send us an email and tell us what is happening yeah i have not gotten like sort of my confirmation that wednesday is fine i am not sure if i am supposed to expect a confirmation from my confirmation from him now but i will just email him again and ask him if we can maybe make it one sorry reset 12 and i am asking if you can make one this is a bit frustrating at the moment of this project is not it it is so like difficult to get to the point where you understand enough to really feel that i do not know i am not feeling that i am really working at the moment i am just trying to make sense of everything it is a bit too far into the meeting for that and to the project and i am at the moment feeling around with my data and not quite seeing how i get to a sensible abstraction level you know from my very i guess as soon as we have a framework in the type of the prototype where each of us can tie in their stuff and see how it looks like and how it performs you know that probably makes it a lot easier then but it is a bootstrapping problem like for the prototype we need some type of data but to develop the data it would be a lot easier to have the prototype anyway i got to go i mean you will be happy with some data even if it does not make much sense yes but if it is if it is in a form which is easy to read in at the moment that would be fine sort of like if basically if we have something like this segments file but for each of you like just have one attribute i think it is really easy if we do not merge them beforehand but if we let them if we combine them in the prototype or do not at the moment because then we can easily display them individually contrast them to each other and play around with how to combine them and also we do not have to recalculate it just exactly yeah yeah and i mean computationally multiplying 2 integers or doubles or whatever should not be the thing that if it is already in segment space that is not too much yeah all right i am going to be" ]

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plan what we are going to do and how we are going to do it and discussion about that and a little closing at the end okay my name is danny wolfs i am the project manager what is your name i am juergen toffs i am the user interface designer user interface okay hi my name is i am the industrial designer industrial yes i am tim my function is the marketing expert okay thank you 1st a little about the project aim the the the aim is to make a new remote control maybe you have read read the website it is a very yeah very ambitious company they they want to do something else i w there must be a new remote control 1st of all it must be original and trendy that is 2 things really close to each other but at the same time user friendly and they have yeah that is very important for them there are 3 stages there is a functional design so what are we going to to do what are we going to make f kind of functions in the remote and why are we going to do it then the conceptual design how are going to do it and that is really global because at the detailed design how part 2 we go to dig in really about how the the te the technical of if it is it is possible technical wise each stage is is broken up in 22 stages individual work and a meeting so it is it is very straightforward okay the tool training we have 2 smart boards this one is for the presentations the powerpoint presentations or the word presentation of whatever you you had and this is only for drawing so we must let it stand on this this program this is called a smart board speaks for itself thing yeah it speaks for itself and as you may have heard the documents in the shared folder can be showed on this screen not in y the the my documents so if you want to show something put it in the shared folder this is very straightforward with the save the print the undo the blank the select the pen well i do not going to explain it all because i think you know how it works we must not forget everything we draw on here all must be saved we we may not delete anything so if you have drawn something save it never delete it that is a very important thing okay little little kinda exercise to know each other at the white board on the left every every one of us must draw our favorite animal and tell tell us why we had chosen that animal important is that we use different colors and different pen widths widths widths i have a question yes this exercise did the company board tell you to do it or did you just make it up yourself yeah no no no it is it is i i i must do it it is part of the introduction okay yeah yeah yeah cause we really do not know each other and it is kinda new so getting used to each other we can have a little fun then before we dig in really to the hard stuff okay that kind of thing would you start with drawing your favorite animal yeah i do not know really how it works but maybe you can show us 1st okay okay yeah okay drawing goes with this thing do not touch your hand on this little thingy here that is important so hold it like this you g you get electrocuted or yeah kinda so you must p p push a little good because and wait wait a few seconds it is not fully real time so watch it ach 0 yeah well i am going to paint in the red ooph 0 that is the background color well undo the pen no one minute please yeah that is the one well 5 okay my favorite animal huh it is like pictionary yeah you can guess what it is the the one who says it 1st gets a raise may paint next it is a pork no it is not an orc you do not see it at the ears yeah i have it at home you have an orc at home very artistic thank you so it is a cat what is it called simba ah cause we have a cat at home and he is called simba cause he looks like the the the lion from the lion king okay miniature size so we found it kinda cool to name it after a lion okay he is happy with us so he is smiling wow he does have body huh no only the face because we have we have twen 25 minutes okay so we yeah we have to speed up remember you use different colors and different pen widths yeah okay who wants to go next i okay yeah so choose a color choose a pen width and draw a you do not have to change the color and the pen width during the drawing save it or yeah you have to save it save it okay i have done it new kay you have to draw push hard on the pen or not really kind of firm touch that one 0 yeah okay open which one is it smart board okay okay yeah and now okay okay thanks kay i have speed up kay that is fine line width by the way why was your cat red because my cat is red at home 0 okay 0 and i have red hair so must be red 0 yeah sure it is a very bloody cat it is a frog no it is a turtle it is an apple it is not an apple must be a dog a dog yeah color something like this smaller huh 0 it is a turtle it is a turtle why a turtle why tim cause i liked teenage mutant hero turtles you watched it a lot you watched it a lot it is inside its shell you will be finished sooner no it is it is a scared turtle no no it is coming up wow okay tim something like this thank you okay you know very artistic jurgen you want to go next yes okay yeah wha thank you here you go yeah how did it work format performance and then you have the the current color you can change so no red or green and a pen and line width i had 5 tim had tim what kinda line width did you have the big lines were like 9 okay it is a dog well very good i just thought i would pick the easiest one okay why a dog you have a dog at home well we had a dog a few years ago it is p had a dog yeah and and it yeah when it died we did not get a new one or something ah it is pretty good but you have an artistic inner middle an artist a graphical user designer so hey think you picked the wrong function wrong job 0 no can work together ah color so i think you can see it is real really a easy program to use not difficult at all wha well it is okay okay thank you that is enough thanks janus yeah sure the last one yeah thanks i wonder yeah after a cat a turtle and a dog i think he is going to draw an elephant i figure i should do something like that but i am going to do something much more difficult 0 0 0 he is the artistic design i am going to design a remote remote control animal remote control animal exactly 0 sorry well with the interface it might be easier to ha to draw here and display there yeah that that might be easier but at the other hand a pen like that is easy to hold in your hand and no i think it is easier to draw better to draw with a with yeah with a pen than with a mouse mouse than on the with yeah i m i mean like like on here drawing drawing mouth 0 okay and then displaying on screen but yeah w with this paper it is too mu too expensive but what is he too expensive yeah is it a rabbit yes do you have a rabbit at home no it is a rabbit with broken legs a green rabbit no is it a white rabbit f it is the white rabbit from the matrix yeah exactly okay then yeah there the g white green rabbit so he is a little bit stoned there i figured this is a pretty b good impression of a rabbit yeah it will do well okay finishing touch and then we are going further project manager yeah where does the pen go just have you been counting the time yeah a little okay let us go on then well i think the dog is the the most artistic i figured the rabbit was actually the most impressive do not choose for youself 0 sorry that is selfish okay now we are going to dig into the to the serious stuff it is pretty abstract the selling price for the remote will be €25 and the production cost may not be more than €205 so from my point of view i do not think it is going to be very very high tech high definition ultra modern kinda remote for 12 fift €125 the profit we must make with the new remote is 50000000 euro so that is a lot we have to sell a lot of yeah how much is it like how much 100000000 remotes or something i think w when the selling price is 25 you got 4000000 remotes 0 yeah 20000000 20000000 yeah 2000000 yeah but our marketing range is market range is international so we have virtually the whole world we can sell we can sell our r remotes to at least that countries which have a television yeah so now it is time for us to going to discuss a little things you can think about experience with a remote control yourself at home what you think might be a useful new feature what what can distinguish our new trendy remote control from all the others so let us let us discuss a little i am going to join you at the table well what what is the most important thing at a remote control well i think the most important thing of a remote control is that you can switch channels and my opinion is you should keep it as basic as possible okay so not a not a remote control who which can can be used for television and a d v d and radio and or just only yeah i think so but i have some points can i show them on the on the big screen if you have them on i can maybe yeah yeah i can find okay 0 in case you want it this is a dead kind of fly between the the the yeah the the screen yeah be the screens okay is it possible to open pen drawings in this on this screen no no no only all the drawings go there at the left but which the ones we made on the 0 that pen drawings no i think when it is in word and you have saved it in the shared documents folder you can show it there 0 only in word okay yeah okay i have some points from marketing point of view yeah just the standard thing li things like intuitive small fairly cheap it is pretty cheap €25 brand independent i think it does not have to matter which brand your t v or other thing is yeah okay 5 minutes 5 minutes okay i will wrap it up quickly yeah i personally think it has to be multi purpose most of the remote c remote controls are just for one purpose yeah yeah and by making it multi purpose it has a new feature adds a new feature to the market and distinguish from from current products maybe some other technology than infrared i rather find it very annoying like when someone is standing in front of the t v then you can not switch it think about sending it over radio waves or bluetooth okay okay that might be a little bit expensive and something like an l c d screen for what purpose like i said here maybe it is easy it is nice as an added feature feature that when you are on a certain channel you can see on the l c d screen what programs are coming up or okay so it be a multi purpose very technically high from my point of view yeah remote yeah it must be really innovative technical wise yeah it has to be yeah our company is very good in making new innovative things yeah so yeah i i agree with you we so i i i i so we must focus on things who are really really add something to to to the current market yeah look you got some cheap remote controls there they just yeah you got a dozen of em no but when you enter a new market with a remote control and want to gain market share yeah you have to do something special i think yeah but we have to keep an eye that it is at the beginning of such a project it is it is it is very cool to talk about well this would be cool that would be cool yeah but we must not lose sight of the the user friendly yeah of course and and the price but it is but but this is just from marketing aspect yeah okay yeah i do not know anything about user interface or design okay okay and that is because we have him and and him and him okay next meeting will start in 30 minutes so you will have individual actions where i presume will be some feedback via the m the mail the the the industrial designer has to look at the working design the user interface designer has to look at the technical functions so that is the thing we discussed yeah one thing we must 1st agree on what we are going to m going to make yeah do we are we going to use it it for multiple systems or we should have some agreement on that before we okay wha i i do not think we have to be we have to agree on that i figure we could get back to it on the next meeting actually i think th that is a pha yeah that is a phase further okay yeah ju just make some mock ups some some general ideas ah okay and and then we can plan yeah yeah we can plan further i think yeah but maybe because you are working on the user requirements you are working on the technical functions we must have a little or kinda how do you call it consensus on the what we are going to do a little plan on on what we are going to do so you do not come up with the user requirements who do not fit the the the the technical functions at all some basic things we co we want to going to do i think that is well yeah will come in handy yeah i do not know yeah you decide okay you are the project manager w he says well yeah if the technical functions have to be designed i i have got to know for what kind of machines they will be yeah or do we use it a text screen or will it be with with bluetooth or well th that is that is really a step further but if you say is it one way or multi purpose that is a okay tha that is a same step further yeah actually it is why yeah why then looking at individual components so that is actually a f step further yeah yeah like we all have a list of things that has to b that have to be in it or how it has to be like and then in the next meeting we decide yeah yeah we can take it from there w what it is going to be yeah i agree we can take it from there okay a and then you s then you can delete or edit the 0 the obsolete details okay so each individually i individually must think on what is at his point of view is the most important i think yeah and then we are going to fit all the pieces together the next meeting yeah i must finish off now so it is over you will receive specific specific instructions by your personal coach and i see you in 30 minutes okay cheers okay thank you sorry be careful damn yes success yeah no come up" ]

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[ "hi good morning before i start with the meeting i have a few things to tell you about the setting we are in because we are being watched by big brother by big brother yeah okay this are cameras so are these this thing that looks like a pie are actually all microphones okay so we must be careful with all this and as i can see you have placed your laptops exactly on the place where it must be and that has to do with the camera setting so we do not have our laptops in front of the cameras of our faces and indeed so they can see our faces okay welcome at the kickoff meeting my name is daniel wolves this is the agenda for today 1st a little opening i will introduce myself and i think it is very good to introduce yourself then a little bit of acquaintance acquaintance to ourselves so we get to know each other that will be done with a tool training from these 2 smart boards then the project plan what we are going to do and how we are going to do it and discussion about that and a little closing at the end okay my name is danny wolves i am the project manager what is your name i am yerun tobs i am the user interface designer my name is janice van der leyen i am the industrial designer i am tim van dee my function is a marketing expert okay thank you 1st a little about the project aim the aim is to make a new remote control maybe you have read read the website it is a very yeah very ambitious company they want to do something else so there must be a new remote control 1st of all it must be original and trendy that is 2 things really close to each other but at the same time user friendly and they have yeah that is very important for them there are 3 stages there is a functional design so what are we going to do what are we going to make kind of functions in the remote and why are we going to do it then the conceptual design how are we going to do it and that is really global because at the detailed design how part 2 we go to dig in really about how the technical if it is possible technical wise each stage is broken up in 2 stages individual work and a meeting so it is very straightforward okay the tool training we have 2 smart boards this one is for the presentations the powerpoint presentations or the word presentation whatever you had and this is only for a drawing so we must let it stand on this program this is called a smart board thing it speaks for itself yeah it speaks for itself and as you may have heard the documents in the shared folder can be showed on this screen not in the my document so if you want to show something put it in the shared folder this is also very straight forward with the save the print the undo the blank the select the pen well i do not i am going to explain it all because i think you know how it works we must not forget everything we draw on here all must be saved we may not delete anything so if you have dropped something save it never deleted that is very important okay little a little kind of exercise to know each other at the white board on the left every every one of us must draw our favorite animal and tell us why we had to chosen that animal important is that we use different colors and different pan widths i have a question yes this exercise did the company board tell you to do it or did you just make it up yourself no no no it is a it is part of the answer yeah yeah yeah yeah because we really do not know each other and it is kind of new so getting used to each other we can have a little fun and before we dig in really to the hard stuff that kind of thing would you start with drawing your favorite yeah i do not know really how it works maybe you can show us 1st yeah okay drawing goes with this thing do not touch your hand on this little thing here that is important hold it like this you get electrocuted yeah kind of so you must push a little push a little good because and wait a few seconds it is not fully real time so watch it well i am going to paint in there red 0 that is the background call well undo depend one minute please yeah that is the one 5 okay my favorite animal eh it is like dictionary yeah you can guess what it is the one who says it 1st gets a race may paint next it is a pork no it is not an arc you do not see it at the years i have it at home you have an orc at home very artistic thank you so it is a cat what is it called simba because we have a cat at home and he is called simba because he looks like the lion from the lion king many of it to your size so we have some kind of cool to name it ever a lion than a lion okay he is happy with us so he is smiling he does have buddy no only the face because we have 25 minutes 0 yeah we have to speed up yeah remember you use different calls different colors and different pan width yeah okay who wants to go next okay yeah so choose a color choose a pen width and draw a you do not have to change the color and the pen width save it you have to save it save it okay i have done it no okay you have to push hard on the panel not ready that one that one i am sorry instead continue on the last file yeah take a new page not a new file with new page okay open which one is smart board okay and now okay okay okay okay thanks okay i have speech okay up yeah that is fine by the way why was your cat red because my cat is red 0 okay and i have red hair so i 0 yes sure it must be red it is a frog that is a turtle it is an apple it is not an apple it must be a dog a dog color something like this small one it is a turtle why a turtle tim because i like the teenage mutant hero a turtle you watch it a lot you watch it a lot it is the inside of shell you all no it is a scared turtle no no it is coming out okay thank you okay thank you thank you okay you know i am very artistic you want to go next yes good okay yeah thank you there you go yeah how did it work then you have the current color you can change so no red or not or green and fin and line with i had 5 tim at some of what kind of line with the big lines were like 9 okay it is a dog well very good i just thought i picked the easiest one why a dog you have a dog at home well we had a dog it had a dog it had a dog yeah when it died we did not get a new one or something it is pretty good we have an artistic inner middle an artist graphical user designer so i think you picked the wrong function wrong job 0 no it worked at a color so i think you can see it is very so i think you can see it is a really easy program to use not difficult at all okay thank you that is enough thanks yeah sure the last one i wonder yeah after a cat a turtle and a dog i think he is going to draw an elephant i figure i should do something like that but i am going to do something much more difficult 0 0 he is the artistic way i am going to design a remote remote control animal exactly sorry well with the interface it might be easier to draw here and play there that might be easier but at the other hand a pen like that is easy to hold in your hand and i think it is easier to draw with a pen then with a mouth mouse yeah i mean like here drawing 0 okay and then it is playing on the screen but this paper is too expensive is it a rabbit yes do you have a rabbit at home no is a rabble with broken legs no it is the white rabbit from the matrix yeah exactly okay the white greenerling he is a little bit stone there i figured this is a pretty good impression of a rabbit yeah it will do okay finishing touch and then we are going further project manager yeah with a spingo just have you been counting the time yeah a little okay let us go on man well i think the dog is the most i figured a rabbit was actually the most impressive do not choose for yourself 0 sorry okay now we are going to dig into the serious stuff the selling price for the remote will be €25 and the production cost may not be more than 20 and a half euro so from my point of view i do not think it is going to be i think it is going to be a very very high tech high definition ultra modern kind of remote for €125 the profit we must make with the new remote is €50000000 so that is a lot we have to sell on a lot of yeah how much you do it like how much 100000000 remotes i think when the selling price is 25 20000000 you got 2000000 2000000 rematch but our marketing rate is market rate is international so we have virtually the whole world we can sell our remote too at least that countries which have a television so now it is time for us to discuss a little things you can think about experience with remote control yourself at home what you think might be a useful new future what can distinguish our new trendy remote control from all the others so let us discuss a little i am going to join you at the table well what is the most important thing at a remote control well i think the most important thing of a remote control is that you can switch channels and my opinion is you should keep it as basic as possible okay so another remote control which can be used for television and dvd and radio and just only i think so but i have some points can i show them on the big screen if you have them on yeah yeah i can find okay 0 in case you want it this is a that kind of fly between the the yeah the the screen is it possible to open pen drawings in this no no no only all the drawings go there at the left have to yeah but which is the ones we made on the 0 that pen drawings no i think when it is in word and you have saved it in the shared documents folder you can show it there 0 only in word okay okay i have some points from marketing point of view yeah just a standard thing things like intuitive small fairly cheap it is pretty cheap €25 brand independent i think it does not have to matter which brand your tv or other thing is okay 5 minutes 5 minutes okay i will wrap it up quickly i personally think it has to be multi purpose most of remote controls are just for one purpose and by making it multipurpose it has a new feature adds a new feature to the market and distinguish from current products maybe some other technology than infrared i rather find it very annoying like when someone is standing in front of the tv they can switch it think about sending it over radio waves or bluetooth that might be a little bit of expensive and something like an lcd screen for what purpose like it said here maybe it is easy it is nice as another feature that when you are on a certain channel you can see on the lcd screen what programs are coming up so it would be a multipurpose very technically high from my point of view yeah yeah it must be really innovative technical wise yeah it has to be yeah our company is very good in making new yeah enough this things so yeah so i agree with you so we must focus on things who are really really add something to do to the current market yeah look you got some cheap remote controls they just yeah you got a dozen of them but when you enter a new market with remote control and want to gain market share you have to do something special i think but we have to keep an eye that it is at the beginning of such a project it is very cool to talk about well this would be cool that we cool but we must not lose a side of the user friendly yeah of course but but this is just from marketing yeah i do not know anything about you as an interface or yeah and that is because we have him and him okay next meeting we will start in 30 minutes so you are have individual actions where i presume will be some feedback via the mail the industrial designer has to look at the working design the user interface designer has to look at the technical functions so that is the thing we discussed one thing we must 1st agree on what we are going to make the way are we going to use it for multiple systems or you should have some agreement on that okay i do not think we have to agree on that i think that is a i think that is a the next meeting actually yeah that is a phase further just make some mock ups some general ideas and then we can plan no we can plan for i think but maybe because you are working on the user requirements you are working on technical functions we must have a little kind of how do you call it a little plan on what we are going to do so you do not come over the user requirements the user requirements we do not fit the technical functions at all some basic things we want to go and to do i think that is well yeah we will come in handy yeah i do not know you decide okay you are the project manager well yeah if the technical functions have to be designed i have got to know for what kind of machine it will be or do we use it a text screen or will it be with bluetooth well that is really a step further but if you say is it one way or multi purpose that is the same step further yeah actually it is yeah why they are looking at individual components so actually a step further like we all have a list of things that have to be in it or how it has to be like and then in the next meeting we decide what it is going to be we can take it from there and then you can delete the obsolete details so each individually must think on what is at his point of view is the most important and then are we going to fit all the pieces together the next meeting i must finish of now so it is over you will receive specific instructions by your personal coach and i see you in 30 minutes thank you thank you success yeah i am the" ]

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[ "would not want to be project manager what we going to do once again i am going to take minutes so no presentation for me 1st we have a prototype presentation by g and g afterwards some yo j and j eval eval evalu evaluation s sorry evaluation evaluation evaluation criteria evaluation crit criteria in combination with the finance i i received a an an excel file which we have to fill in later on you see and then we must see if we stay under the €125 interesting ah okay oops so that is that is a big l so let us wait it we have we have must cool that is going to be t problem some creative we must have some time for that because it will be yeah quite a lot of mathematics 0 yeah and after that an evaluation of the process how we how we have done it here with the smartboard with the with our laptops with the all all this and afterwards we closing once again 40 minutes so let us start ok okay i would g give the word to g and g for the prototype presentation shall i give a short introduction and then yeah well sure j and j okay j and j j and j okay jane and jane kay guys take it away hi take it away this was our 1st concept we decided to use a single touch screen so we have worked out this concepts how to how to hold it where to put the buttons and and stuff and well we began with with a form of shape that is is easy to hold w in one hand left or right handed so we made i it a little bit less thick and it has some ar artistic meaning no this is not nothing idea maybe is better well during the meeting i showed you the concept of placing the buttons on top usable with your thumb and the menu structure if necessary with your other hand so it is just going to hold it easily and it has to be acce accessible with your other hand too of course so we began working out a concept yeah well and as you saw we would just have the basic remote with the panel l c d screen well these would be the main buttons h you could change them later on in your own profile if you want to but well it is standard they will be delivered with this kind of set up we have the more advanced menu setting right here we have the sub menus and stu stuff we made a top 0 or a front view just so like you want to back view as you can see this there there are 2 weird bumps in it this is for the added effect of well y youth and dynamic and this is for the artistic effect well what we figured is we will show you a picture later on you have more b a better idea after that but idea is for to stay in balance with these 2 with these 2 and so when you put it on the table it will just lay down it will not roll around or stuff but it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe or like these old phones y you you may get the idea so thi this is about how we figured it should be the s panel we g you would hide with some more rubber layers like we discussed early on you would s you would not see the straight panel but more fluidly and round yeah the panel just of course goes like this yeah but the overlaying layer is a little bit curved and stuff okay no okay and in these bumps you could actually put some electronics that would you can make a more thinner design yeah and that would actually look very nice yeah yeah and about the color what have yeah 0 we added that this can be held with your hands for this maximum is om yeah one5 centimeters so you have room here for your battery and maybe even other electronic chips s and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some have some wires underneath it to make it as thin as possible in the middle for good grip okay yeah f as colors do you do you have the picture in yeah 0 yeah now well this is the idea about the bumps you can see there is a v a very youthful dynamic exterior it you just want to hold it you you are young and dynamic like us is l it is like an easter egg yeah it is like an e but this is for children yeah we we want a more adult version but this is like a remote control for children it is called a weemote a weemote weemote yeah weemote hey that is actually a brilliant marketing stand wait what i w got in mind but so this actually basic the idea yeah we we just want to build a more adult vers adult version of of this yeah i can imagine that and and for colors we we figured starting with basic colors like white or metallic gray those are the technological colors actually so it d yeah it would be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable so the young people will buy an orange and a red and blue and a purple or blue or whatever but when the 0 older people go in the shop and they see an orange remote control it would be less appealing than a white one and young people we think are a little bit more flexible they think ah i will buy for a couple of euros some noi nice hip maybe it is an idea to sell it without a cover so that you can pick a cover in the in the shop well i think a cover is necessary cause als otherwise you will just have the l c d screen yeah okay yeah okay so there must be some cheap standard cover maybe white or something that is could comes with it and you can buy so we can make extra money yeah but you d you must not forget that our target aim is younger people oui okay we had decided to put some flashy fruity colors in it and in the survey from milan and paris it it came out that the d the older people are more willing to to spend money on extra features okay so i think it will be a better idea to have some flashy fruity colors as as a standard the other way around you mean 0 yeah and for the people who really want a more sophisticated more traditional look they are willing to pay that huh yeah they want they want more luxury stuff but they have the money to do it and they want to b to buy that okay so maybe it is an idea to put that as an extra and not as a standard yeah yeah yeah maybe yeah perhaps you are right i i would i would actually agree with this sounds logical okay yeah an another idea maybe we could develop a cover with wood style yeah they will please the elder users as well yeah well yeah a color of a wood style a white c and a couple of h hip fruity colors yeah yes nah and lea l delivered standard with a fruity color but not too not too much yeah not not too yeah this is banana and mango not not purple or p orange and yellow yeah exactly yeah but the mai i think th the standard must be some kind of attractive flashy colors yeah or blue or not too but w a little because that is our aim ah yeah li like like this like this yeah this is not this is not too much is it yeah yeah okay i f no yeah well the buttons do not have to be all all of yeah well i i i think so yeah the buttons i yeah except for the buttons it is it could be a standard model it okay yeah yeah something like this would be nice okay okay okay that is that is it from us thank you kay it is my time now it is my turn the marketing expert 0 okay during the 0 during the design design life cycle we sorry we made lot of requirements and trend analysis and stuff now is the time to evaluate our prototype concept to to the past requirements so we are going to evaluate the design according to the past user requirements and trends analysis we are going to do that with a 7 point scale opening a word document now okay 10 okay i have to expla explain something we have to be consensive about about things so it has to be a group group decision okay okay so we gon we going to evaluate the we are going to vote we yeah the prototype yeah the the thing we saw yeah okay just saw okay one the remote control is designed for people with age below 40 yeah 7 7 is false true yeah b one or sorry yeah one i think most true why yeah it is not just designed for people under the age of 40 it is also designed for people above 40 yeah so so a 01 is appropriate yeah yeah so or more like a 4 no no a little more in the middle no 3 or yeah i have i have yeah 2 or 3 because it is not just the qu question is aimed at is it designed for people with age below 40 3 okay but it is also designed for people of age above 40 ah exactly so exactly i will say it is about 3 yeah it will be primary appealing to to m -40 but also appealing to okay 3 yeah but also for yeah okay 2nd the remote control is beautiful yeah it is wow yeah acco according to us it is one or yeah i i think yeah it is the marketing angle on television yeah yeah yeah p s we have a wonderful of c of course you have to be very +and enthusiastic about your own product yeah well it is also fancy then 3 the remote control looks fancy yes yeah yeah one of course yes yep we have a perfect remote good 4 the remote control has big clear channel switching buttons yes yeah yeah 0 they have to agree but yeah yes leads to user face yeah daniel i am the user interface expert teletext buttons and volume buttons no no teletext buttons teletext is in the menu you you have different menu false yeah false and volume is impo yeah and volume volume is true true big and clear yeah the they are big and clear yeah yeah big and clear yeah big and clear but you could make a teletext button 6 hey otherwise the people who read this are going to think we have no teletext button hey hide yeah but but the teletext button yeah you can ch that is in a menu it is it is not yeah it so it is w yeah it it it it is not entirely unclear but so i would not give it a 7 j i would give it a more a 5 or a 6 no yeah 5 okay i don i do not know what do you think mister project manager yeah it is it is yeah 0 okay well i agree i was thinking very black and white yeah black and red thank you j okay do not forget to save it red okay volume the remote control is easy to be found well when we put in fancy colors yeah and yeah fruity yeah it has these all these fruity colors and it has a strange shape so if you so if you have trouble finding it but it it is not making any sound have we deciding 0 okay but kay look so if you put your normal remote control under your bed or you throw this remote control under your bed is it better findable it will make a difference we have the better re i do not know yeah i think so my remote control is black a li little bit maybe a little bit but yeah yeah well we p we can do it glow in the dark 4 fi k yeah so if it is in the dark place you still see it glowing i fo fo yeah fo 5 is ah i i i think 5 it is it is it does not really make a lot of well then then i will go for 4 4 because 4 is between 3 and also between between true and false yeah okay you are right yes but 5 is between 4 and 6 i think ah you must see it as so i will i will go for 4 w according to the the other remote controls wha there may be there in your t v room this one will stand out i think yeah b yeah yeah that that is a better question actually yeah yeah it it is yeah exa i think that that is what it is about if your 15 remotes in a drawer you find it yeah if it if this lying on your couch you are you are you think what is that for kinda orange thing yeah yeah but but the survey under users was that they really lost it so yeah yeah that is stupid like no not not seeing it but lost it in the house or something okay but when you lost it you are just not but okay well if i if you see a strange shape lying somewhere then you would recognize it as whoa that is strange that is our remote control yeah okay yeah mostly when you lose your remote control it it is under your yeah yeah what is that yeah i i agree i agree okay so it is most of times when you lose it you are sitting on it 8 the remote control has fresh fruity colors true i would call choose 2 cause we decided not to make 2 f fresh colors as it would not yeah yeah not too flashy yeah the remote control is made of soft material yeah rubber is kind of soft kinda soft but but not this yeah but not too soft we have decided 3 yeah 3 yeah yeah yeah yeah easy to use very afford easy to use one easy to use yeah can it be 0 well i don yeah it is kind of top easy to use it is it is not the most easy to use it no you can do 2 because it can be easier no it can be easier it could yeah jus just with 10 buttons that is the easiest but then you are l yeah but then you will lose function f yeah functionality and our fancy look so functional ability yeah yeah but the most easy to use is just with one button but it is r it is rather easy to use because you have the primary buttons always visible on t yeah okay but easy n not not the most easy to use i think no it is it i i will go for 2 no my vote is on 2 2 yeah m mine too okay 2 yeah 2 we also have to compare it to the to the remote controls on the market nowadays so yeah but waits just a minutes inspiration what is the time we also have to do the evaluation the production costs and stuff these are the m regular remotes yeah yeah i am hurrying okay 11 the remote control is innovative yeah yes true one yes a very of course you are agree tim you have not seen a more innovative thing in paris the remote control has m remova removable from multilux yes one very multifunctional no the remote control i it has speech recognition false yes it false this is used with speech recognition this the remote control has built in games yes but maybe make it 2 because the games are in a sub menu and not it is not an entire game yeah but they are built in so it is one yeah they are built in yeah yeah okay not down okay and the last paren parental advisory function you really like the parental advisory yes freak yes i do th did you make this or the bu save as yeah he made it yeah it changes it maybe okay i will 0 yay do the the math 0 dear now it is your turn okay thank you we will see okay we have now to c to calculate the production cost if it is under 12 and half euro then it is ok okay but i is it if it is b huh no this is not right okay so redesign if they are under 1250 0 yeah if they under yeah no 0 yeah yeah cau cause so it is okay yeah it is sorry yeah if the costs are under €125 then we can ra move on to the project evaluation as we have experienced it otherwise we have do have to do a little redesign thingy so we have to fill in the numbers of the component components we have to fil want to do it in and see if we stay under the €125 so do we have a hand dynamo no no that is 0 me too battery yes yes battery one one yeah one yeah okay kinetic one kinetic one yeah yeah yeah okay solar cells 0 yeah okay simple chip on print n no no no advanced chip no no advanced chip no yes sample sensor sample speaker no the advanced chip is no advanced chip is 3 3 €3 yep yeah we have one yeah but it it is 11 thing it is €3 we have one okay one piece yeah no sev 0 what is the sample sensor no well that is yeah speech recognition and s speech recognition i think yeah you give it a sample one okay 0 uncurved flat no no a 0 no but is it s it is not made from a single uncurved thingy and then and then no no you no no no thingy okay so it is only once double curved yeah yes 3 yeah cause the layer around it fits around the bubbles on the 0 on the the back of the 8 okay we are now in a problem cause we have reached €11 yet we do not have anything else so okay go on okay but we have just go on just go on then we will see we will we will see wha how much we are over budget okay could you step a little to the right ma yeah 2 0 sorry 2 rubber or you 0 and 0 titanium no special is the special color special color i do not think so no this is a standard color no yeah but we want to make the wood colors that yeah s yes this is a special color yeah if if you are honest we will type one special color yeah but but d but daniel tha that is that is another brand that is an add on yeah one that is another article to sell yeah yeah but we we going to yeah yeah that is true but yeah it is it is it j maybe we will finish the the list 1st and then look back aye that does not account for this producing this okay the push button no no scroll wheel no scroll wheel no no no 0 no yes one one yeah button no no no no the the we do not have a s no is it no these 3 no no well we are only €4 over budget okay 0 okay so but so what is the thing we can change well other case we can make it single curved or uncurved no no yeah can i i say something single curves yeah of course no can i say something as project manager yeah just cut off the kine yeah the kinetic thing can we just skip it because you have to shake it but that is not really innovative yeah or yeah okay sure yeah we just put a good battery it it yeah mobile phones nowadays daniel yeah daniel what do you think about here yo sorry yeah yes what do you think about putting a battery in it but also selling like the covers yeah a docking station just apart from the from the thing so that you can put rechargeable batteries in it and just okay but you can use rechargeable batteries anyway just you s you have to recharge them manual yeah and not really yeah yeah okay but we if you forget about the kinetic well if we do that just an idea yeah that is a cost reduc yeah sure yeah we shall ah okay well you you can go from double curved to single curved so yeah of course and that would solve the budget problem b but i but the single curved is just 0 yeah so we have to bake the ba back flat and then yeah it is just yeah well the single curve that no it is it is just one curve and not a back curved i think 0 okay okay or yeah exactly yeah or are these 2 curves so that is wh tha that is one option yeah and then w yeah and then we could have it yeah but it is its well it is it is r it is the main point of the the the the look yeah but what else do we have to cut out we going to cut no advanced chip that is a little bit of problem no tho that that can be done yeah so although can we make it with a regular chip okay a little less conversation curvy hey those ar arcs why are there for sorry the blue blue fill in just a okay explanation explanation 1250 i can delete it for you if you want well no no no so if we do this we are on €125 and we are done yeah but does it fit with our design do we have to u adapt it well the only thing that do not it is single curves yeah single curved but there is a curve in it yeah w so could we just make the bubbles cut off the back and then we are has yeah we just make it flat okay but wha kay look what is the if you make it double curved it costs one more but you do l more yeah but you make it optional no but does it have a lot of extra fun function more like function functional worth does it have added worth there is an a a athe esthetic value but not functionality yeah no yeah it is really a static value yeah esthetic yeah i mean you make like €115 profit instead of 125 but i do not know if 125 is a fixed fixed price yeah well let us assume it is yeah it is no we can not go above that yeah 0 we we should assume it i that it is yeah okay yeah yeah okay but i i figured that the kinetic would be a marketing promotion then it is okay r if you promote a kinetic i kinetic remote control i mean that would b sell better than an a normal remote control yeah yeah do you think yeah i think so well now you can shake your remote control no well y i mean y you can go into your neighbor and tell him ha my k remote control is kinetic kinetic you have standard old battery control remote con yeah yeah what a what about all the m the environment freaks yeah not freaks the envi yeah but it does not fit in our co cost profile so no i i think it is it is true it look like this one you ma can make an an especialised extra gold version yeah who because if you want to go to kinetic you are you are on 135 and you must go to flat and i think now it is it is more of a compromise yeah yeah thing and if you make the single curve ha just a big curve then it is then it is yeah one big good curve yeah just one big curve i was going to say nasty words but i do not this is strange by the way wood is m is is is cheaper than rubber we thought that wood would be more expensive yeah this american figures you just cut down some trees yeah maybe but that this is this is it yeah this is it okay this is it whoever makes a remote control out of titanium i am going to save it yeah yes it is possible but you can not use double curves for titanium no that is one of the functionability okay well considering we have ah no we have to do all those hours again go back one back costs on no redesign well we were above so we did a little redesign yeah we sue yeah okay yeah we yeah we will start her all 0 all over again okay now it is about time to talk about this project some things were there room for was there room for creativity in our meetings or in your individual meetings i i did not think so that there was a lot of room for it but that is mainly because of the information that was delivered to us yeah it was just fixed information and get your stuff from there and i could not go on on i on the internet and search my own stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah bu that is true i agree with that well i th i think you 2 especially you and and daniel you d you you both had the less creative roles in the project yeah yeah that is true for us there was a lot of creativity cause i think m we could just sign up an remote if we liked yeah yeah yeah that is true i think jeroen and i we had a more design we could have more we had more room for creativity than than you 2 yeah yeah yeah that is true okay how about the leadership ha leadership was crappy crappy nah the leadership was not crappy it was the leader that was crappy cra yeah okay okay thank you very much nah no the leadership was okay now we are done yeah example of crappy leadershi no leadership was okay yeah okay i thought the 1st meeting was a little bit of unstructured meeting yeah it was good yeah that is true you could have but it was your 1st no no disrespect or something but you could have structure it a l little bit more so like i i was talking most of the time the 1st meeting meeting and yeah yeah you could of said shut up you fool yeah yeah but i notice it too i was a i was also very unhappy very unsatisfied about the about me about the 1st meeting so i hope the the the other meetings yeah you made up try to learn from your mistake and we will never do it again get better and i think the the last 2 meetings also we we reached some good decisions about talk yeah no it you did better yeah more more consensus yeah ev everybody w was agreeing every yeah much more constructive okay so that is cool teamwork well maybe that is only yeah well it is for us because well we work together on a project but everybody has his own task yeah yeah and it is wo more like presentation and some points were discussed so it is a little bit yeah but really teamwork were you 2 no 2 guys well it went okay the yeah that went w it went well it is it is just yeah stupid stupid pen but no hard feelings nah yeah we we had some trouble with the pen but yeah now you you must push a little while yeah but but draw something difficult yeah but us yeah d just write your name right now try to write your name in in writing letters of course yeah okay yeah normally this the w block letter sign it yeah 0 just okay just just write your name in in one line if it is a little bit too small bit quicker now it did not you can be you can go quicker cause then it it will not notice it he he knows how it works yeah 0 i follow the master class for the smartboard so i think that is the that is the main issue okay so about this one you were you are dealing with the the the the digital pen means y well yeah th the i the idea is great but it does not work properly okay digital pen i thought th the 1st time i did individual work i used it yeah yeah but a and the 1st 2 meetings i brought it with me but i did not use it at all after the 1st the 1st meeting no yeah no i have it working but yeah well it is it is not real real use for me no it does not have that much added value to the huh nee well as as i said a m a c few moments ago it i would like myself to write with a normal pen because must yeah it is almost the same concept but you can just sim more simply put it on our scanner yeah i it is the same concept as the pen where you f have to download the software or s very slow m yeah yeah and it is still your own handwriting popping up in word yes no and it does not give any added value no that is true not really no no and the smartboard is useful but the the pen is i not user friendly i think yeah not user friendly yeah be it it takes a lot of time to draw things and to write things and that is the yeah and it is it is not very precise we are trying to m to yeah like when you do this yeah it may yeah and tr try to wri write your name in a in a normal size yeah smaller smaller yeah smaller just like when you are writing on a letter yeah but that is not th the the you when you at a foreign audience you b do not going to wr write small no a as you saw on on this drawing just open open this one or that one it is th it it yeah we had more problems even here when we trying to draw these buttons it is almost impossible to get clear when you are yeah 0 sorry but maybe there is some function with no it is not with and the eraser was another problem it w t is is this large and when you try to erase this line y yeah well i am going to erase my name i am going to erase my name there yeah it is a big big eraser okay new ideas m abo what kind of new ideas well the the idea of the touch screen is do you yeah go on i am just new ideas about the working of this software about about the project about the remote controls or yeah yeah i think so i do not know what what i mean no hello did you heard what he said know what i mean i do not i do not know what i mean 0 i have some figure here the eva the evaluation the the mean number is one8186 0 0 yeah that is interesting so that is fairly fairly good i think okay because what does it mean yeah so true that all the mo yeah are between one and 2 all the requirements are true or very true right yeah 0 okay yep yeah okay thank you expert but the new ideas found for wi with working with this software not really just they have to improve it not really yeah the concept is okay but it has to be quicker yeah i think it is still opening my program n almo almost my entire computer is locked up during the process and it yeah just takes too many time yeah people will still feel the need to to write it quickly on a page and not download it and save it and yeah you had expected it to to be more more more user friendly yeah cause when you use a pen you can just draw like you d draw normally and you do yeah yeah may maybe the idea you proposed is a screen here yeah and draw it and it is it is placed over there yeah yeah that l yeah would be easier or at least when you you do not have to adapt to the technology just you can write in the way you normally write no and now you have to keep constantly in mind that you are drawing on this screen and that is a very bad concept yep yep yeah that is true ah very bad nah okay i i it is my opinion that i but i think this is better than regular flip overs but yeah it is can be saved easier yeah but if you are in normal flip over you a lot of people write text there is no text option yeah and writing text yeah you have got to really do your best to write some yeah and and maybe some functions for circle or a square yeah you have to draw it yourself now or maybe even insert picture yeah if you have some presentation and you have some f yeah or text function just t t type text and that that would be excellent yeah mean yeah yeah but insert image is not available cause then you could here picture from scanner clip art yeah that that can be done already 0 okay but not the the the the predefined squares i think so you can hyperlink hey what if you do like hyperlink with w w dot google dot com type type it 0 yeah re real reaction dot n l maybe yes is now is okay sorry okay you will just make a link in huh yeah well that is nice there is one way to is it kay double click it maybe if if you are not using the eraser here 0 you are erasing 0 sorry something else th yeah arrow select double click it yeah here that okay well it is so you have as you saw you have a little 0 you can yeah thank you you can go yeah okay there so there the the the functionality is there but it is not it is not ideal and it is it is very it costs a lot of time to but to use yeah to use yeah and that is a pity if you if you have 3040 minutes for this kind of things yeah and that is m and we are now with 4 people but it well imagine you are here you are with the 10 people and everyone that is mostly the case from the over here with the managements you get 2 minutes to make your case and if you have to do all this kind yeah 2 minutes of drawing yeah yep you will rather use powerpoint and work it out in advance yeah and th the one or 2 things you have to draw when you are there just use a flip board yeah what i really miss also is is a d is a turtle is a decision decision system like with the evaluation you have to polls like what do you want a one a 2 yeah yeah maybe a a l a little application like give your own number and click 1234567 yeah yeah just like he said with the with the a screen which you can write also a kind of voting mechanism yeah j ju ju yeah v voting application 0 just a little group group decision application yeah yeah but problem is well you can not discuss anything well you you ca you can but you will discuss a lot less than l like we did now yeah we i mean w w w 11 person s maybe said 3 but well i we said no i w th think 2 because this and this and then you can react on it yeah okay but if you you put a 3 on it just figure well everybody knows what i am knowing so they will all just put a 2 on yeah of course but you can still discuss about it but but click it in an application that is a lot easier to process yeah but it would yeah yeah okay the for processing part the digit yeah but then i think the idea of one person entering it and the rest discussing it that is not that bad idea actually yeah not that your opinion is not valued but but still yeah yeah okay okay okay so yo manager that is it well just about because when are w when are we going to produce it yeah tomorrow celebration the costs are within the budget the project is evaluated yeah yeah but before we going to celebrate i have a little question which you can not answer because there must be some kind of end report i am busy with the end report right now you might thinking what the hell was he doing what is an end report about all the meetings what we have decided a r r a report of this day yeah yeah yeah that must be made but i do not know here is standing whoa we can celebrate now but the end report is 0 you ha you have 10 minutes left i read 0 you have now 10 minutes left to finish up the end report okay well that that can be done maybe we can do it together you can see what i have yeah yeah so i i s i will put it on a story board yeah sure you can see it because i think it will it must be you you already made a beta version or yeah it is a 3 with 75 pages yeah just about y yikes 75 pages well just a moment end report okay daniel do you want a chair maybe a chairman hey no no no i am just you can s you can read it and here here it is 0 okay end report so you you finished it actually and so we just have to read it and say yes or no yes well this not nit it read only but it is not fully finished yet 5 minutes for finishing this is about the functional design the things yeah yeah management expert you have to change that 0 yeah i am when i said it i remember i had it here marketing it is a read only version yeah but you can save it u the under another name 0 okay marketing expert okay about the 3 functions where which are most used and which must immediately be visible on our remote control it must be simple to use very clear what to do and at the younger people so this is really about wh what kind things must be in it and yeah maybe the the yeah i understand you i can talk a little bit dutch yeah you yeah no you have to put switch channels at the top because that is the most used function and teletext at the 2nd oka okay okay i i really did not knew that 0 nay a volume changing 2nd so this one is 1st s switch yes you go there and you go there yeah so okay okay go on well maybe i can then do it 123 yes very good 123 if the order is in is is important that is the word for yeah yeah the order then the conceptual design well all the things we have discussed the energy which turn out to be batteries so that is yeah well okay maybe you can add it later that we decided in the end because of the cost yeah because yeah he here it is still double curve the rubber the flashy the fruity the removable single curves the buttons it is not double it is not double anymore eh a single curved not double anymore no okay nay but that this is what yeah okay was initial the plan yeah yeah the initial plan and the the added functions like tetris snake it is under the parental control the touch screen on thing so it is just a summary of what we had discussed one small thing the added functions was it included in the cost i do not think so eh ah it is very cheap it is very cheap it is very cheap you you maybe you you you you come at no it is it is not very cheap but that no but it is a development inside corporation it is very necessary like w we do not have to buy parental control our own people can make that i think yeah but it still has some yeah yeah yeah it it has some cost but okay but so we can discuss that he will do it in his free time so yeah we can discuss that kind of things i think with the with the the board of of directur or directors what is it what is the company called i just keep forgetting it real reaction real real reaction yeah real reaction yeah you can ask your personal okay so anybody misses something here about yeah the end conclusion but yeah okay that is that is what i am going to write b between now okay still the end conclusion that is all i think but i in here nothing the decision to make the buttons on the top and the menu on the on the bottom and clearly yeah touch screen you have mentioned yes yeah touch screen i have mentioned yeah but but the the decisions are put in the conclusion i think okay why we decided to use a flat l c d okay this n yeah yeah okay well i going to redesign something now yeah no party party because i think it will 05 minutes from to finish meeting 0 before you change anything maybe you save it 1st save it you can not you can select file and export and then those j peg files yeah but then you had the same thing well 8 and we have another blank one example of children remote did we change anything 0 wait wait wow yeah it is a new commercial logo that is a pity do not save it aye 0 that is cool tim finish meeting now well i am i am why are only the 1st 5 smartboard files i am going to finish my end report saved okay hereby is the meeting is finished you declare i am the one who can say that yeah hereby the meeting is finished yeah" ]

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[ "mister mister big you still have some minutes left do not we yeah sorry we still have some time left before the meeting yeah one minute so do whatever you want 0 yeah yeah that is like all what we had i thought maybe we can display it on the screen but it is not necessary no this is just about i have some show go here and it tastes funny what if you do not with it it is like mixed chocolate milk and coffee or something 0 nasty pictures make after each other in the sean and pot yeah that would be nice one that would be easier with opening and closing okay did you put it in a shed holder yeah so 0 we can begin move to the meeting room and bring your laptop thank you that is state too welcome to the sorry yeah maybe good for a presentation if i just not show this yet 0 i have seen it 0 okay but welcome to the 4th meeting the details design meeting where we have to reach a decision on the details of the remote control presented by your one a lawly project manager what we are going to do once again i am going to take minutes so no presentation for me 1st we have a prototype presentation by g g afterwards some evaluation criteria evaluation criteria in combination with finance i received an excel file which we have to fill in later on you see and then we must see if we stay on we stay under the 12 and a half euro so that is a big so let us we have we must have some time for that because it will be quite a lot of mathematics and after that an evaluation of the process how we have done it here with the smart work with our laptops with all this and afterwards we are closing once again 40 minutes so let us start i will give the word to g g for the prototype presentation shall i get a short in prediction and then j and j and j j and j j and j j and j okay guys take it away take it away decided to use a single touch screen so we have worked out these concepts how to hold it where to put the buttons and stuff and well we began with a form of shape that is easy to hold in one hand left or right handed so we made a little bit less thick and has some artistic meaning 0 this is it not it maybe maybe maybe yeah that is better well during the meeting i showed you the concept of placing the buttons on top usable with your thumb and the menu structure if necessary with your other hand so it is just going to hold it easily and it has to be accessible with your other hand too of course so we began working out the concept yeah well as you saw we would just have the basic remote with the panel lcd screen lcd screen well these would be the main buttons you could change them later on in your own profile if you want to but well the standard they will be delivered with this kind of setup with the more advanced menu sitting right here with the submenus and stuff we made a top or front view just like you want a back view as you can see there are 2 weird bumps in it this is for the added the added effect of well youth and dynamic and this is for the artistic effect well what we figured is we will show you a picture later on you will have a better idea after that but the idea is for to stay in balance with these 2 so when you put it on the table it will just lay down it will not roll around or stuff but it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe or like these old phones you may get the idea so this is about how we figured it should be the panel you would hide with some more rubber layers like we discussed earlier on you would not see the straight panel but more fluidly and round the panel of course goes like this yeah but the overlaying layer is a little bit curved and stuff okay and in these bumps you could actually put some electronics so that would you can make a more thinner design and that would actually look very nice and about the color 0 yeah that this can be held with your hands so this maximum is one5 centimeters so you have room here for your battery and maybe even other electronic chips so you can just be the layer of the layer of the touchscreen and some wires underneath to make it as thin as possible in the middle for good grid yeah as colors do you have a picture in there yeah 0 yeah this is the idea about the bumps you can see there is a very youthful dynamic exterior you just want to hold it if you are young and dynamic like us it is like an easter act yeah it is like an but this is for children we want more adult version but this is like a remote control for children it is called a wii mode a we mode a remote yeah that is actually a brilliant marketing stand wait what i have got in mind so this is actually basically the idea we just want to build a more adult version of this yeah i can imagine that and for colors we figured starting with basic colors like white or metallic gray those other technological colors actually it would be best to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable so the young people will buy an orange and a red and a blue or whatever but when all the people they go in the shop and i see an orange remote control that would be less appealing than a white one and young people we think are a little bit more flexible i will buy for a couple of euros there is a nice hit maybe it is an idea to sell it without a cover so that you can pick a cover in the shop i think a cover is necessary because i will just have the lcd screen so there must be some cheap standard cover maybe white or something that comes with it and you can buy so we can make extra money yeah but you must not forget that our target aim is younger people we had decided to put some flashier some flashy fruity colors in it and in the survey from milan and paris it came out that the older people are more willing to to spend money on extra futures so i think it will be a better idea to have some the other way really colors as as standard for the people who really really want a more sophisticated more traditional look they are willing to pay that they want more luxury stuff but they have the money to do it and they want to buy that so maybe it is an idea to put that as an extra and not as a standard yeah maybe perhaps right i would actually agree with this sounds logical another idea maybe we could develop a cover with wood style they please the elder users as well yeah well yeah a color of wood style white and a couple of pretty colors yeah and delivered standard with a fruity color but not too not too much this is banana and mango not purple orange and yellow but i think the standard must be some kind of attractive flashy colors not too but a little yeah like this like this this is not too much is it yeah well the buttons well it had to be all all except for the buttons it could be a standard model yeah something like this would be nice okay okay that is it from us thank you okay it is my time now it is the great day the marketing expert 0 okay during the design life cycle we made a lot of requirements and trend analysis and stuff now is the time to evaluate our prototype concept to the past requirements so we are going to evaluate the design according to the past user requirements and trends analysis we are going to do that with a 7 point scale opening a word document now 10 okay i have to explain something we have to be consensive about things so it has to be a group decision okay okay so we are going to evaluate the yeah the prototype the thing we not saw okay just so okay one the remote controls designed for people with age below 40 yeah 77 is false true yeah one or yeah one i think most true yeah it is not just designed for people under the age of 40 it is also designed for people above 40 so a one is appropriate or no no no a little more in the middle no 3 or 3 or 2 or 3 because it is not just the question is aimed at is it designed for people with age below 40 but it is also designed for people age above 40 exactly i will say it is about 3 yeah it will be primarily appealing to -40 but also appealing also for yeah the 2nd the remote control is beautiful yeah according to us it is one yeah it is the marketing angle and tell us we have a wonderful of course you have to be very +and enthusiastic about your own product that is also funny the remote control looks fancy yeah yeah one yes perfect good 4 the remote control has big clear channel switching buttons yeah yeah they have to use the face yeah user in the face experts teletext buttons and volume buttons no teletext buttons teletex is in the menu false and volume volume is true true big and clear yeah big and clear yeah big and clear but you could make a teletext button 6 otherwise people who read this are going to think we have no teletext button yeah but the teletext button yeah you can it is not a menu so it is not entirely unclear but so i would not give it a 7 i would give it more a 5 or a 65 okay i do not know what do you think okay well i agree i was thinking very black and white yeah black and red thank you jay red okay do not forget to say the volume the remote control is easy to be found well we put it in fancy colors yeah it has all these fruity colors and has a strange shape so if you have trouble finding it it is not making any sounds 0 okay but look if you put your normal remote control under your bed or you throw just remote control under your bed is it better findable it will make a difference we have the better remote i do not know i think so my remote controls black a little bit maybe a little bit yeah 4 we can do it glow in the dark so in a dark place you feel see it glowing i think 5 it does not really make a lot of well then i will go for 4 4 because 4 is between 3 and between 2 and yeah okay you are right i will go for 4 you must see it is between 4 and 6 what according to to the other remote controllers there may be there in your tv room this one will stand out yeah that is a better question actually if you are a 50 remotes in a drawer you will find it if this lying on your couch you think what is that for kind of orange thing but the survey under users was that they really lost it yeah that is stupid not not seeing it but lost it in the house or something okay well if you see a strange shape lying somewhere then you would recognize it as wow that is strange that is for remote control what is that i agree i agree most of the time you lose it your shape the remote control has fresh fruity color i would choose 2 because we decided not to make 2 fresh colors not too freshy not too freshy the remote control is made of soft material yeah rubber is kind of soft yeah but not too soft not too soft 3 3 yeah yeah easy to use easy to use one easy to use yeah can it be 0 well i do not yeah it is kind of it is not the most easy to use no you can do 2 because it can be easier it can be easier just with 10 buttons yeah but then you will lose our functionality yeah functionality and our fancy look yeah but the most easy to use it is just with one button it is rather easy to use because you have the primary buttons always visible yeah okay but it is not the most easy to use i will go for 2 my votes on 2 okay 2 we also have to compare it to the remote controls on the market nowadays yeah wait just a minute inspiration what is the time we also have to do the evaluation and the production yeah yeah i am hurrying okay 11 the remote control is innovative yes 21 very you agree tim of course you have not seen a more innovative thing in the remote control has removed remove remove remove yes one very multifunctional nope the remote control is a it has speech recognition this is used with speech recognition the remote controller has building games but maybe make it too because the games are in a sub menu and not it is not a yeah but they are built in so it is one they are built in yeah okay okay the last perenthal advise me yes you really like the parental advice did you make this or the safe house yeah he made it he changed it man okay i will do the moth 0 dear how is your turn okay thank you let us see okay we have now to calculate the production cost under 12 and a half euro then it is okay but it is it if it is right if they are under 0 yeah if they under yeah no it is sorry if the cost are under yeah no 0 yeah yeah it is sorry if the costs are under 12 and a half euro then we can there move on to the project evaluation as we have experienced it otherwise we have to do a little redesign thingy so we have to fill in the numbers of the components we have to feel want to do it in and see if we stay under the €125 so do we have a hand dynamo no that is 0 battery yes battery one yeah okay kinetic one yeah okay solar cells 0 yeah okay simple chip on print no no no no no a sample sensor sample speaker no the advanced chip is 3 3 €3 yeah we have one we have one one thing one piece yeah what is a sample sensor well that is speech recognition yeah speech recognition 0 okay one 0 uncurved flat no 0 but is it no it is not made from a single uncurved thingy and then thingy and then no okay so it is only once double curved yeah yeah because the layer around it fits around the bubbles on the okay we are now in a problem because we have reached €11 we do not have anything else okay go on just go on let us go on we will see how much we are over budget could you step a little to the road yeah 0 sorry to rubber 0 detanium no special special color i do not think so no no it is a standard color yeah yeah yeah yes this is a special color we want to make the wood color so that is a yeah if you are honest we will type of special color that is an ad on daniel that is another brand that is another article to sell yeah yeah but we we can not yeah that is true but yeah it does not account for this maybe we will finish this 1st and then look back okay the push button no no no scroll wheel no scroll wheel no scroll wheel no no 0 no no yes one but no no no we do not have 0 we are only 4 year or our budget okay so what is the thing we can change well are there a case we can make it single curved or uncurved can i say something yeah of course can i say something as project manager the kinetic thing can we just skip it yeah because you have to shake it but that is not really enough we just put a good battery in it mobile phones nowadays daniel yo what do you talk about here what do you think about putting a battery in it but also selling like the covers a docking station just apart from the thing so that you can put rechargeable batteries in it okay but you can use rechargeable batteries anyway yeah not really yeah okay but we forget about the kinetic yeah sure well if we do that we are selling a 30 and a half okay well you can go from double curve to single curved yeah of course and that would solve the budget problem so we have to break the back flat but the single curve is just it is just yeah well the single curve one curve and not the back curve i think okay okay exactly yeah so that is why that is one option and then we could have it but it is well it is a main point of the looks yeah but what else do we have to cut out no it is a little bit of a problem no that can be done although can we make it with a wagon okay a little less conversation hey those art arts what are they for sorry blue fill in the number just explanation i can delete it for you if you want 0 no no so if we do this we are on 12 and a half euro and we are done yeah but does it fit with our design do we have the well the only thing that do not it is single curve yeah single curve but there is a curve in it so we just make the bubbles cut off the back and yeah we just make it flat but you do look what is the if you make it double curve it costs one more yeah but make it optional no but does it have a lot of extra function does it have added worth esthetic value but not function yeah it is really esthetic value esthetic i mean you make like €115 a profit instead of 125 but i do not know if 12 and half is a fixed fixed price yeah well let us assume we should assume that it is yeah but i figured that the kinetic would be a marketing promotion if you promote a kinetic i i am trying to remote control i mean that would sell better than a normal remote control yeah do you think yeah well now you can shake your remote control no well i mean you can come to your neighbor and tell me ha my remote control is kinetic you have standard old battery control remote what about all the environment freaks yeah but it does not fit in our cost profiles no i think it is good like this you make you making in a specialized extra gold version because if you want to go to kinetic you are on 30 and a half and you must go to flat and i think now it is more of a compromise yeah and if you make the single curve just a big curve then it is just one big yeah one big good curve i was going to say nasty words but say nasty words but i do not this is strange by the way wood is cheaper than rubber we thought that wood would be more expensive it is american figures to just cut down some trees yeah maybe but this is this is it yeah this is it okay this is it whoever makes a remote i am going to save it titanium yeah it is possible but you can not use double curved for titanium that is one of the 5 functionality okay well considering we have 0 no i have to do all those hours again one back cause on no redesign well we were above yeah we did a little redesign okay we start all over again now it is about time to talk about this project some things were there room for was a room for creativity in our meetings or in your individual meetings i i did not think so there was a lot of room for it but that is mainly because of the information that was delivered to us yeah it was just fixed information and get your stuff from there and i could not go on the on the internet and search my own stuff but yeah that is true i agree with that well i think you too especially you and daniel you both had the less creative roles in the project that is true for us there is a lot of creative you could just sign up and remote if you like yeah yeah that is true i think yerun and i we had more design we could have more we had more room for creativity than youtube yeah that is true okay how about the leadership yeah leadership was crappy the leadership was not crappy it was the leader that was crappy okay okay thank you the leadership was okay now we are done example of crappy now leadership was okay yeah okay i thought the 1st meeting was a little bit of unstructured meeting yeah you could have but it was your 1st no disrespect or something but you could have structured a little bit more so like i was talking most of the time the 1st meeting you could say shut up you fool yeah but i noticed it too i was also very unhappy very unsatisfied about the about me about the 1st meeting so i hope that you learn from no mistakes and we will never do it again get better and i think the last 2 meetings also we reached some good decisions more consensus yeah everybody was much more constructed okay so that is cool teamwork well maybe that is only yeah well it is for us well we work together on the project but everybody has his own tasks yeah and it is more like presentation and some points were discussed yeah really teamwork were you 2 yeah it went well it is just a no hard feelings stupid pen but yeah we had some trouble with the pen yeah you must push you a little while yeah but it was something difficult just write your name right now try to write your name okay in writing letters of course eh normally in this block letters is there just just write your name in one line it was a little bit smaller and clever quicker now you can be you can go quicker because then it will not notice it you know how it works yeah i follow the master class for the smart ones i think that is the main issue okay so about this one you were dealing with the digital pen the idea is great but it does not work properly the little pen i thought the 1st time i did individual work i used it yeah but and the 1st 2 meetings i brought it with me but i did not use it at all after the 1st meeting no i have a real use no it does not have that much added value to you as i said a few moments ago i would like myself to write it with a normal pen because it is much it is almost the same concept but you can just more simply put it on or scanner it is the same concept it is the pen you have to download the software is very slow and it is still your own handwriting popping up in a word it does not give any added value no not really no and the smart board is useful but the pen is not user friendly i think yeah it takes a lot of time to draw things and to write things it is not very precise we are trying to like when you do this yeah madam yeah and try to write your name in a normal size yeah smaller yeah smaller just when you are writing on a letter yeah but that is not when you send an at a foreign audience you do not go to write as you saw on this drawing just open open this one or that one yeah we had more problems even here when we tried to throw these buttons it is almost impossible if you can clear when you are but maybe there is some function with no it is not and the eraser was not a problem it is this large when you try to erase this line yeah well i am going to erase my name i am going to erase my name yeah yeah it is a big eraser new ideas what kind of new ideas well the idea of the touchscreen is yeah do you go on i am just new ideas about the working of this software about the project about the remote controls i do not know what i mean did you heard what you said i do not know what i mean i do not know what i mean 0 i have some figure here the evaluation the mean number is one86 that is interesting so that is fairly good i think okay because what does it mean so true that all the requirements are between one and 2 are very true okay yeah okay thank you expert but the new ideas found for with working with this software not really they have to improve it the concept is okay yeah i think but it has to be quicker you are still opening my program almost my entire computer my entire computer is locked up during the process and it just takes too many time people will still feel the need to write it quickly on a page and not download it and save it you are expected to be more user friendly when you use a pen you can just draw like you draw normally maybe the idea you proposed is a screen here and draw it and it is it is placed over there yeah or at least when you do not have to adapt to the technology just you can write in the way you normally write and now you have to keep constantly in mind that you are drawing on this screen and that is a very bad concept yeah that is true ah very bad yeah it is my opinion that this is better than regular flipovers but yeah it is can be safe easier yeah but if you are in normal flipover a lot of people write text it is not a text option and writing text you have got to really do your best to write and maybe some functions for a circle or a square yeah you have to draw it yourself now maybe even insert picture if you have some presentation yeah or text function just type text text that would be excellent yeah but insert image is not available because then you could picture from scanner clip eye yeah that can be done already but not the the the the the the the predefined squares i think hey what if you do like hyperlink do with www google com real reaction dot now that is okay okay you will just make a link in yeah well that is nice there is one way to is it okay double click it maybe if you are not using the eraser 0 0 erasing sorry something else to do select select double click yeah that okay well you have as you saw you have a little you can yeah thank you you can go yeah okay there so the functionality is there but it is not ideal and it is very it costs a lot of time to to use to use and that is a pity if you if you have 30 40 minutes for this kind of things and we are now with 4 people but well imagine you are here with 10 people and everyone that is mostly the case from you are over here with management you get 2 minutes to make your case and if you have to do all this time you would rather use powerpoints and work it out in advance yeah and the one or 2 things you have to draw when you are there is use a flipboard what i really miss also is is it is a hurdle it is a decision system like with the evaluation you have to pulse like what do you want the one or 2 maybe a little application like give your number and click 1234567 yeah just like he said with a screen which you can write also a voting mechanism yeah a voting application just a little group decision application but the problem is well you can not discuss anything well you can but you will discuss a lot less than like we did now yeah we i mean one person maybe said free but we said no i will think too because this and this and then you can react on it but if you put a free on it just figure well everybody knows what i am knowing so they will all just put it on yeah of course but you can still discuss about it yeah but click it in an application that is a lot easier to process yeah okay for process yeah but then i think the idea of one person entering it and the rest discussing it that is not that bad idea actually yeah not that your opinion is not valued but still yeah okay okay so manager that is it well just about because when are we going to produce it yeah tomorrow the costs are within the budget the project is evaluated but before we are going to celebrate i have a little question which you can not answer because there must be some kind of entry port i am busy with an entry port right now you might think what the hell is you doing what is an entry board about all the meetings what we have decided yeah a report of this day that must be made but i do not know here is standing well we can celebrate now but the you have 10 minutes left i read you have now 10 minutes left to finish up the end okay well that that can be done maybe we can do it together you can see when i have yeah yeah so i i will put it on a storyboard you can see it because i think it will it must be you already made a beta version yeah it is a 3 75 pages yeah 75 pages well just a moment okay daniel woohoo you want a chair a chair maybe a chairman no no i am just you can you can read it and here it so you you finish it actually so we just have to read it and say yes or no well this not read only but it is not 5 minutes yet for finishing this is about the functional design the management expert you have to change that 0 yeah i when i said it i remember i said it read only version yeah but you can save it under another name okay marketing expert okay about 3 functions which are most used and which must immediately be visible on our remote control it must be simple to use very clear what to do and the younger people so this is really about what kind of things must be in it and yeah maybe the the i understand you i can talk a little bit dutch you have to put switch channels at the top because that is the most function 0 okay okay data text at the 2nd i really did not 0 no volume changing 2nd so this one is 1st switch yes you go there and you go and you go there yeah so okay well maybe i can then do it 123 yes very good if the order is in it is important yeah that is the word for full the order then the conceptual design well all the things we have discussed the energy which turned out to be a battery maybe you can add it later as we decided because of the cost here it is still double curve the rubber the fleshy the fruity the removable it is not double anymore not double anymore but this is what was initial yeah yeah the edit functions like tetrisnake it is an apparent control the touchscreen one thing so it is just a summary of what we had discussed one small thing the added functions was it included in the cost i do not think so huh it is very cheap it is very cheap maybe you have come at the no it is not very cheap but it is very necessary no but it is development inside corporation like we do not have to buy parental control our own people can make that i think it still has some it has some costs but okay okay so we can discuss that kind of things i think with the board of of direction what is the company call i just keep forgetting it real reaction real reaction yeah right yeah real reaction okay so anybody misses something here about yeah the end conclusion but yeah okay that is what i am going to write still the end conclusion that is what that is all i think in here nothing the decision to make the buttons on the top and the manual on the bottom and clearly you have mentioned yeah touch screen i have mentioned yeah the decisions are put in the conclusion i think why we decided to use of lcd yeah okay well i am going to redesign something now yeah party part because i think it will 5 minutes from the finish meeting before you change anything maybe save it save it you can select file and export yeah but then you add the same thing 8 and we have another blank one sample of children do you change anything 0 wait wait so it is a new commercial logo that is a bit tight do not save it eh 0 that is cool tim finish meeting now why are only the 1st why are only the 1st 5 smart board i am going to finish my entry port okay hereby the meeting is finished you declare i am the one who can say that yeah hereby the meeting is finished okay okay okay okay how about the entry port you can work on the end report during the questionnaire and the other ones while you are finished before the other ones are going to the next time it only takes 5 minutes you explain to you later it is just 5 months because we are already early today okay you have a lot of concerns i can move to your room and then question 3 0 what the fuck that is quite an irritating sound that is all my questionary" ]

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[ "just put it on the deskt desktop no on the desktop you will find you should find that there is a project documents link a well actually just there project documents yeah yeah that is it if you dump it in there what is your username your username what is your username and password sorry okay okay there we go excellent right hopefully that is us ready to to go so functional design meeting we will have to flesh out some of the stuff we will start with the minutes of the last meeting not a lot thankfully to say we introduced ourselves discussed the possibility of a macro facility interac interacting the t v a bit more mentioning of bar code joystick for user manipulation and ergonomics of the remote control as well it is come to my attention the following teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet remote control should only be used for the t v due for time to market and possibly also cost issues also key is the corporate image should stay recognizable f your color and slogan of course is down at the bottom there now just to say quickly i would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required or at l its functionality would have been of limited use so to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing if anybody disagrees we can definitely say so and hopefully we will just crack on and we will get everything going i would like to if possible hear from our marketing expert 1st to help us gain an idea of where we are going to go kay so i will just load up your presentation from here if you want sure sh would you like to i will just do it from here yep sorry is yours the try 2nd one maybe try it yeah maybe 0 sorry yeah okay okay right 0 i thought i put in my last name i guess not but if you that is all right okay if you do you want me to just cycle through it for you or 0 yeah that would be fine that would be great yeah okay functional requirement by me ebenezer okay okay so we did some research we asked 100 people their opinions on remote controls we asked some open ended questions just what are your opinions on the remote control got a lot of re responses and we asked some very specific questions and we got a lot of good feedback please bear in mind this is only a 100 people so even when the groups are divided into 15 to 25 25 to 35 there is only maybe 10 people 15 people in each group okay okay so we got some the bad stuff we got remotes are often lost i often lose my remote control the back of the couch some place and even if it is not lost permanently it takes me a few minutes to find it most buttons are not used any more like you said teletext is outdated now i remember trying to load a d v d player recently and there were so many buttons it took me i do not know maybe 10 minutes to to go through each button cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons you know there is just a lot of stuff that no one really uses and if they do not very often takes too long to master the remote control i have seen some remote controls that are big they have a lot of buttons you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something they are just not great to use we just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls people do not like remote controls some of the good stuff we got between the age of 15 and 25 most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software now do not get excited yet i have got more to say on that most people would be willing to pay for that most people want remote controls to be pretty they want it to be fancy th they they want it to be different everybody has a white remote control with black buttons and a red button and a green button not everybody wants that finally my opinion yep the voice recognition thing is cool and voice recognition the software open source software exist already it is a bit sketchy at some times you are not going to get good always accurate results but for a very fixed number of words you know you have how many different words can you have for a remote control up down left right channel 5 channel 7 you know how many you can not have that many words for a fixed vocabulary it works quite well i am pretty sure people would buy it but after a while people may want to return it because if you have to to say som i mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels and they say they do that about 98% of the time using the remote control 98% of the time for changing channels and that is for flickering through channels so if you have to say up up up up if you have to do that all the time then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it however 0 because the voice recognition software exists already there is no need to spend money on research and development but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control which is an unusual feature in my opinion but if we do have the voice recognition thing there is a lot of stuff that you can get rid of see you could there are 2 options either you have voice recognition by itself which i think is a bit impractical for like night time if you want to be watching television and you want to be quiet or i do not know you have a visitor coming round and the remote is only trained for you it is a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself so you can have voice recognition and a regular remote but imagine you got rid of the regular remote part then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look because there are no restrictions on physical size or shape it it could be as fancy as you want it to be you know it could be like a lollipop or something like that something weird like that as long as the voice recognition stuff works that is that is fine okay yep so we have the 3 birds we have the design that we have the the fancy bit right the voice recognition is fancy it is cool it is different it is radical so and then we have an extra bit i do not remember so i am pretty sure people will buy the remote but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control i think is a big question will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it will take to train the remote cause i think it will the remote will get better over time with the same user user but for the 1st week or for the 1st 2 weeks are you willing to wait are you willing to have a bad remote control and what if you have visitors come round they stay the night they want to use the t v they can not use the remote because they speak differently to you how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that will people return the remote control i think a lot of young people will buy the remote control if they have the money you know so do our audience have the money but would they return it after a while because it is not as fast as pressing a button it is not a practical so if you could these are things i think we should consider i think it is cool sor if you could speed it up a bit yeah i am sorry if you could speed it up a bit please yeah sure i am about to end yeah sorry cool i think it is cool but there are definitely some considerations okay so yeah excellent right hear from the user interface designer now i think might be an idea okay you have got your presentation now is it on the is it how did where did where did you get all your in information yeah it is in the it is in the folder yeah okay there was a website 0 technical functions right here ah okay g i started making stuff up then i got an email saying no yeah okay okay this is a brief run through of the of the technical functions of the remote as is the the the presentation is already slightly obsolete because i had in mind something that would be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but there is still stuff of relevance so okay press on i have looked at looked at a num couple of other remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles and was not really satisfied by what i saw i have to say so this is more sort of springboard for how these could be improved on basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance in this case the television set to save you getting off your backside and there is 2 main trends in th in the sort of design practice on the one hand and this this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set giving you every possible function that the that the device has the remote control controls and most of these functions are not going to be used it creates a rather user unfriendly interface and on the other hand there is a user focused approach that pares things down to just what what is most likely to get used with a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously but mostly that is relatively peripheral functions and so you go for something that is fairly intuitive to use and well f the for the most part for t v remote it is tha that would be channel control and volume and if you if you if you are wanting to incorporate control of a d v d v d or v c r presumably into that then there is a play pause stop rewind fast forward record so forth my own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design but the pro i think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what what a given user is going to want mo want to do from want it to do most so something that is something that is more programmable that perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you are most likely to want so that those are then immediately accessible through fairly minimal number of controls i liked ebenezer is idea of including a joystick in that and possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons and have a disp you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you are sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it will tell you just exactly what you know each direction of the of the joystick is going to do or wha or what each function button is going to do this is actually a again slightly taking inspiration off of games controllers you know the playstation control where you have 4 basic function buttons that are just marked with distinctive geometrical shapes but the and then dependent on what you are doing with it what game and so on those those functions are then sort of further specified and so it is taking taking the lead from that okay yeah that is it right if we could hear from our industrial engineer or designer yeah i was still working on stuff i had not got it finished alright click to save in where do i have to save it if you look on the desktop you will find that there is a link to the project folder or project documents if you save it in there we can open it up from here what i have done with it i am sorry shit are you finding it okay or i am just closing it now where i have saved it well like if you go to one whichever one you were working yeah and you just click file save as that is it there yeah 0 right okay right i am responsible for working design this is basically the inside going on of the the remote control so we have the energy source we have the user interface this this is what i have seen the sender will push the button the chip will respond and then the dig digital signal is sent to the t v so if you go to next slide you will see you will see what do we need on the user interface do we need many buttons or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to to realize which appliances are on or not or would that take too much power would we need more components in there to supply the power the joystick is another thing if we were going to add that there would be more components to deal with that so we need to i dunno exactly what that is the design of the the the layout of the electronic design but obviously there will be more details once we have decided what we are putting on the user interface okay so that will be decided i guess and the next slide 0 yeah if you go to the next slide then 0 yeah i just used the it was a mess i was just putting adding it together at the end there ah do not worry about it at all mate so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip and the user interface obviously contains everything you have the switch turn it on infrared bulb will contact the t v and will have whatever device or d v d player the bulb will turn on to say it is on so do we need on the control different buttons to decide or different light bulbs would it be easier i dunno what we should decide on that okay well 0 sorry i am i am interrupting you are you is it yeah no it is finished yeah okay right right we can probably skip that for now so we have had some stuff put forward along with the new user requirements we have had a lot of kind of input i would say so far i hear what the marketing expert is saying about voice activated control however i have got a couple of worries about that the power required and the ability to the cost it seems like for an embedded system this could cause us issues cost for example you see that there is fairly robust services on computers via via voice i b m do drag and dictate but these require a lot of memory and usually state quite advanced processor requirements voice activation could be an interesting idea but i think that our ind industrial designer would probably upon some research say that it is maybe not feasible kay that is just my view right now however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an l c d which has been kind of put forward so far it is almost like having a small t not t v to say but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display i do not know how much power an l c d would take but it might be quite low l c d on the remote just telling you what is on or interactive l c d or i well literally if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than those on a a mobile phone something where you can read an an fair amount of information traverse maybe quite a few menus if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example they usually incorporate they have the keypad and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around that could be one possibility and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say volume control changing channels i i was thinking that the remote the sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for volume left and right for channels we do you think that people will get mixed up like they will be looking at this screen and that screen and then you know trying to get everything working would it be a bit confusing i think probably for the 1st couple of hours of using it but you know muscle memory is a wonderful thing yeah and i think and i think that size of display was about what i had in mind though i mean i w i would say that we could probably probably be required to mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are color but we should probably try to stick to black and white i would agree with you si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down i mean color could be a sort of subsequent development but you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone has got the 1st you know 0 color is out we will have to replace it will not we it does nothing extra that would be my feeling as well i think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface now i mean i do not sorry go for it sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or and a joystick i think like i h if i was in the habit of buying remote controls then i would want one but i think we do not have a specific audience you know like what is our target audience what niche are niche are we trying to market and corner you know you know what i am saying like for whom is this intended everybody i think it could probably be aimed at most people who have used a mobile and that might be just another way of saying try to target most people most people yeah if we are if we were to follow that avenue we might be s you know we are kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone i suppose but that does cover a very large section of the people out there sure i think that is fair yeah i mean i imagine as well that the actual l c d and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality which maybe does not get used as often maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off d up and down it depends i mean maybe we have the fol the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then that there is just a a small number of as you were saying buttons that have already been defined so like we go for the nice standard up and down for and volume control so that literally anybody can come along pick up the remote and still know what do do and they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the 0 actual owner of the the t v and who would normally use the unit i dunno i th the thing i like about the the joystick is that you you you then basically you can then basically put it i mean for for t t for t v remote alone you could put i mean there are like i say the the the main things people do with a t v remote control is the volume and the channel you can pack all that onto was onto a single control but but the but then 0 obviously if you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i you you then get to sort of menu navigation i mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels you know adjusting brightn brightness and fiddly things that no one really bothers with most t v s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra integrating the the remote with the device it is controlling concern about our market if we are i mean most of the of the replacement remote market is sort of remote control rationalization you have got 20 different devices in your living room you want one wo y you want one that will do the job of all of them yeah if all you are replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room you know you still need separate remotes for everything else i just think that possibly well this is a requirement that we have to stick to i am afraid this is not one that i have just arbitrarily decided on so this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed for now so i can understand your and i would agree with you but this is our design spec for now fraid to say does that would that include access to say interactive functions on digital or cable yeah i would say so yes because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes and that is a separate unit i think that it i would say that the design spec we have been with is for the television only for now and until we hear otherwise we should go with just that okay specifically television okay okay maybe we will hear differently but for now so the joystick is just for differentness it would be ease of manipulation of certain functions yes okay just a thought maybe then our market should be t v manufacturers rather than the public try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with there is that possibility yes b however i do not know exactly where we will be going with that but it might not even be the avenue of the marketing expert that might be sales who are not in this meeting it is just the way i figure it €125 per unit we have to sell at least like 3000000 or something like that not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys you know like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it then we have to sell a lot of remote controls we just is this going to be enough to to sell well something else that you brought up was the ability to lose a remote which as you said you have done in fact we have probably all done yeah i do not know if it is a gimmick or not but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle it will beep and you tell you where it is i had one of those and my brother and my dad could have beat me up because it it went off all the time accidentally yeah i have seen them well the other option of course is that the well i was going to say clapping the clapping one digital telephones for example one unit has of course you have to have that base unit somewhere where there is a button but maybe it is a button that you attach to the t v to a television something which you when you press that it would beep to give its location away on the remote unit yeah and that could be something could separate us a bit yeah i think that is a good idea yeah that is a good idea and that way because we are attaching what would be a small button to the t v again say what it would be a small transmitter watch battery type scenario i would say or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just i do not power that might be something that we could look into yeah yep yeah it is putting a lot on your shoulders there so i mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well i think so yeah so to go on from here we have to decide exactly what we are going to do with the remote before we leave this meeting it would be best to say this is what we are going this is the design we are going to try and get this is how we are going to make ourselves look unique do we go for maybe a remote contro sorry we are going to go for a remote control obviously do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels up and down and then what another button that would say that it is now being used to maneuver round the l c d yeah we are just saying volume yeah i think that is should volume be important in the joystick do you think we could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume and yeah for volume yep but we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most okay power is used like once per hour channel selection is used a 168 per hour i that is by far the biggest one and then teletext is still here that is like 14 and volume selection vol volume selection okay yep the teletext we are gambling with and we are going to say it is dead the way of the dodo no yeah okay okay yeah so we well sorry we could maybe even go as far as saying power button small joystick l c d and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you are using the menu system and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay so we are having very very few buttons involved but navigation around a menu for most things actually how actually i would say maybe 22 function buttons the y we are now using the menus button and and an og and an okay button i mean certainly something i have found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay okay okay or vice versa and that is really irritating the 0 the 0 the other dis design constraint i think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb okay so we are actually that sounds like a rough idea do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise yeah think so do you mind looking i think because it is so small it might be an i mean if we only have like 23 buttons it might be essential to have to have that the ability to locate it again yeah so that would require a transmitter maybe attached to the t v just so that it says find me and what a basically a small microphone on the actual unit can maybe hide it in the base light bulb as well no 0 sorry so so a small speaker you mean speaker yeah some speaker sorry yeah and a light bulb no to flash no nah you would see it anyway if you hear it e us we might be better with the sound possibly we could maybe incorporate yeah w those little key rings have both so th e the true fact considering the cost of an l e d we could just incorporate it anyway yeah yeah the l e d s can be surprisingly bright now yeah blue ones particularly plus that is a nice wee design touch so by the sounds of it with what we are suggesting so far yeah your design the user interface is still quite open you could go for quite an interesting design because we are only going to have a very few key and you have got you know a small l c d joystick e i think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes something that can make it stand out slightly if you could look into what we have suggested so far the feasibility of small transmitter and such maybe if an l c d screen requires too much power or such ebenezer marketing expert well i can give you the frequency what people what options people use most often i guess that is going to be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface right you want the stuff if yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we have taken where of a joystick to control the very basic functions and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile okay okay i do not know how easy that will be within the time frame but could be something we could maybe look into sure sure okay any last comments that anybody would like to put forward anything that they think has been missed out bit of a wide open question there of course feel free to email me if you think that we have screwed something up and want to get it rectified as soon as possible sure kay right yeah so i should just look at the speaker the speaker and an l e d and speaker and l e d for locating yeah and a transmitter transmitter transmitter actually 11 wee thought about that if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the then the transmitter could actually be built into the television getting the external power source yep that is quite true and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well i would say yeah the electronics could be s either placed externally or internally makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control so that is good uses maybe gives us a new potential market kay you know i think i mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y 0 yeah we will have that p save us the bother then that is you know vast amounts of sales quite quickly 01 thing that we have almost not talked about at all my apologies for that user interface we also need to maybe get the slogan in here it is i am pointing at my laptop what in god fashion real reaction and such so the slogan is yeah the slogan is we put the fashion in electronics is not it 0 sorry my apologies no it could well be i have probably missed that i think that is l almost the last minute thing we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top is also look cool so i am not too concerned a that we have not gone into depth about that but it might be something you could consider when you are thinking about shapes in fact we might like to put a slogan on and possibly the 2 r s to signify the company rather than real reaction yeah i thought the the d the double arc could perhaps be the the enter button sounds good and i would say that that is us for now okay" ]

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[ "just put it on the desk all i say is desktop no on the desktop you will find you should find that there is a project documents link well actually just there project documents yeah yeah that is it if you dump it in there what is a username your username what is the username on pairs with okay okay there we go excellent right hopefully that is us ready to go so functional design meeting we will have to flesh out some of the stuff stuff we will start with the minutes of the last meeting not a lot thankfully to say we introduced ourselves discussed the possibility of a macro facility interacting with the tv a bit more mentioning of barcode joystick for user manipulation and ergonomics of the remote control as well and it is come to my attention the following the following teletext has become outdated due to the popularity of the internet remote control should only be used for the tv due for a time to market and possibly also cost issues also key is the corporate image to stay recognizable your color and slogan of course is down at the bottom there now just to say quickly i would just to say quickly i would i have thought that only being used for the television the macro facility may now not be required or its functionality would have been of limited use to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing if anybody disagrees we can definitely say so and hopefully we will just crack on and we will get everything going i would like to if it is possible hear from our marketing expert 1st to help us gain an idea of where we are going to go so i will just load up your presentation from here if you want sure would you like to start from here yeah that is right is yours the twice 2nd one maybe try yeah maybe yeah okay okay right i put it in my last name i guess not but if you that is all right okay do you want me to cycle through it for you or 0 yeah that would be fine that would be great okay functional requirement by me ebenezer okay okay so we did some research ask 100 people the opinions on remote controls we have some open ended questions just what are your opinions on the remote control got a lot of responses and we asked some very specific questions and we got a lot of good feedback please bear in mind this is only 100 people so even when the groups are divided into 15 to 25 25 to 35 there is only maybe 10 people 15 people in each group okay so we have got some of the bare stuff we got remotes are often lost i often lose my remote control the back of the couch someplace and even if it is not lost permanently it takes me a few minutes to find it most buttons are not used anymore like you said teletext is outdated now i remember trying to load a dvd player recently and there was so many buttons it took me i do not know maybe 10 minutes to go through each button because you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons you know it is just a lot of stuff that no one really uses and if they do not very often it takes too long to master the remote control i have seen some remote controls that are big they have a lot of buttons you have to hold down more than one k at one time to do something they are just not great to use we just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls people do not like remote controls some of the good stuff we got between the age of 15 and 25 most people will be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software i do not get excited yet i have got more to say on that most people will be willing to pay for that and most people want remote controls to be pretty they want it to be fancy they want it to be different everybody has a white remote control with black buttons and a red button and a green button not everybody wants that finally my opinion the voice recognition thing is cool and voice recognition the software open source software exists already it is a bit sketchy at sometimes you are not going to get good always accurate results but for a very fixed number of words you know you have how many different words can you have for a remote control up down left right channel 5 channel 7 you know how many you can not have that many words for a fixed vocabulary it would looks quite well i am pretty sure people will buy it but after a while people may want to return it because if you have to say i mean most people use the remote control for switching to channels and they say they do that about 98% of the time using the remote control 98% of the time for changing channels and that is for flickering through channels so if you have to say up up up up if you have to do that all the time then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it however because the voice recognition software exists already there is no need to spend money on research and development but this does not mean the need for microphones in the remote control which is an unusual feature in my opinion but if we do have the voice recognition thing there is a lot of stuff that you can get rid of see there are 2 options even you have voice recognition by itself which i think is a bit impractical for like night time if you want to be watching television you want to be quiet or i do not know you have a visitor come around and the remote is only trained for you it is a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself so you can have voice recognition and a regular remote but imagine you got rid of the regular remote part then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look because there are no restrictions on physical size or shape it could be as fancy as you want it to be it could be like a lollipop something like that something weird like that as long as the voice recognition stuff works that is fine okay yeah so we had the free birds we have the design bit we have the fancy bit right the voice recognition is fancy it is cool it is different it is radical and then we have an extra bit i do not remember so i am pretty sure people will buy the remote but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in the remote control i think it is a big question will people be willing to wait for the period that it will take to train the remote because i think it will the remote will get better over time with the same user but for the 1st week or for the 1st 2 weeks are you willing to wait are you willing to have a bad remote control and what if you have visitors come around they stay the night they want to use the tv they can not use the remote because they speak differently to you how do you account for regional accent original accents and stuff like that will people return the remote control i think a lot of young people will buy the remote control if they have the money you know so do our audience have the money but would they return it after a while because it is not as fast it is pressing the button it is not a practical so these are things i think we should consider i think it is cool if you could speed up a bit yeah i am sorry if you could speed up a bit please sure i am about to end yeah i think it is cool but they are definitely some considerations okay excellent right here from the user interface design now i think might be an idea okay you have got your presentation now yeah it is in the whole is it okay there was a website right here technical functions i started making stuff up then i got an email saying okay okay this is a brief run through of the technical functions of the remote i was going to the presentation is already slightly obsolete because i had in mind something that would be aimed at controlling multiple devices but there is still stuff of relevance so okay i saw them i have looked at a couple of other remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles and was not really satisfied by what i saw i have to say so this is more sort of springboard for how these could be improved on basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance in this case that television said television set to say you are getting off your backside and there is 2 main trends in the design practice on the one hand and this particularly relates to the earliest models where it was you know so many buttons on it is about the size of the television set every possible function that the device has the remote control controls and most of these functions are not going to be used it creates a rather user unfriendly interface on the hand there is a user focused approach that pairs things down to just what is most likely to get used with and of course there is a certain amount of loss of function here obviously but mostly that is relatively peripheral functions and so you go for something that is fairly intuitive to use and well for the for the most about for tv remote it is that would be channel control and volume and if you if you are one to incorporate control of dvd or bcr into that and then a play pause stop rewind fast forward so far so far my only use that we should definitely be going for a user focused design but i think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs are about is that they make assumptions in advance about what a given user is going to want it to do most so something that is something that is more programmable that perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you are most likely to want so those are then immediately accessible through a fairly minimal number of controls i like ebenezer is idea of including a joystick in that and possibly a fairly minimal number of function buttons you then have some sort of basic display on it so if you are a changing between different modes for the device it will tell you exactly what each direction of the joystick going to do or what each function button is going to do this is actually taking inspiration up of games controllers and the playstation control where you have 4 basic function buttons that are just marked with distinctive geometrical shapes and then dependent on what you are doing with it what game in this case those functions are then sort of further specified and so it is taking the lead from that okay yeah right if we could hear from our industrial engineer or designer yeah i was still working on stuff if i had not got it finished all right i have to save one where do i have to save if you look on the desktop you will find that there is a link to the project folder or project documents if you save it in there we can open it up from here put it down there are you finding it okay or you just have to closing it there like if you go to one whichever one would right that is a day yeah and you just go i will say that all right okay i am responsible for a working design this is basically the inside going on of the remote control so you have the energy source you have the user interface this is what i have seen the sender will push the button the chip will respond and then the digital signal sent to the tv sent to the tv so if you go to the next slide you will see what do we need on the user interface do we need many buttons or do we need many light bulbs that could be easier to realize which appliances are on or not or would that take too much power would we need more components in there to supply the power and the joystick is another thing if we are going to add that and there will be more components to deal with that so we need to i do not know exactly what that is the design of the the layout of the electronic design but obviously there will be more details once we decide what we are putting on to user interface okay so that would be decided i guess and the next slide all right yeah if you go to the next slide then i just used the it was a mess i was just putting adding it together at the end there yeah do not worry about it at all mate so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip and the user interface obviously contains everything if the switch turn it on infrared bulb we will contact the tv and you will have whatever device or dvd player the bulb will turn on say it is on so do we need on the control different buttons to decide or different light bulbs it would it be easier i do not know what we should decide on that okay well sorry i am interrupting you no it is finished yeah okay we can probably skip that so we have had some stuff put forward along with the new user requirements we have had a lot of kind of input i would say so far i hear what the marketing experts saying about voice activated control however i have got a couple of worries about that the power required and the ability to cost it seems like for an embedded system this could cause its issues for example you see that there is fairly robust services on computers via voice ibm do drag and dictate but these require a lot of memory and usually state quite advanced processor requirements voice activation could be an interesting idea but i think that our industrial designer would probably upon some research to say that it is maybe not feasible that is just my view right now however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an lcd which has been kind of put forward so far it is almost like having a small tv not tv to say but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display i do not know how much power an lcd would take but it might be quite low lcd under a mouth just telling you what is on or interact with lcd if you can imagine a display maybe slightly larger than those on a mobile phone something where you can read a fair amount of information traversed maybe quite a few menus if we maybe use the mobile phones as a good example they usually incorporate they have the keypad and then all the other functionality is usually associated inside of the traversing around that could be one possibility and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say volume control changing channels i think the remote the sort of default functions for the joystick could be up and down for volume left and right for channels do you think that people get mixed up like they would be looking at this screen and that screen and you know trying to get everything working would it be the confusing i think probably for the 1st couple of hours of using it yeah but you know muscle memory is a wonderful thing and i think yeah i think that size of display was about what i had in mind though i would say that we probably be required to most of the mobile phone displays you see these days color book should probably try and just stick to black and white i would agree it is simply to keep the unit cost down color could be a subsequent development but it costs a bit of extra money what once everyone has got the 1st 0 colors out the last room that does nothing extra that would be my feeling as well i think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface now i mean i do not sorry go for it the idea of a remote with a menu and the joystick i think if i was in a habit of buying remote controls then i would want one but i think we do not have a specific audience you know like what is our target audience what niche are we trying to market in corner you know what i am saying for whom is this intended everybody i think it could probably be aimed at most people who have used the mobile and that might be just another way of saying trying to target most people if we were to follow that avenue we might be you know we are kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone i suppose but that does cover a very large section of the people out there sure i think that is fair i mean i imagine as well that the actual lcd and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality which maybe does not get used as often maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off up and down it depends i mean maybe we have the joystick as a separate one for the other functions and there is just a small number of as you were saying buttons that have already been defined so like we go for the nice standard up and down and volume control so that literally anybody can come along pick up the remote and still know what to do and they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the actual owner of the tv and who would normally use the unit i do not know the thing i like about the joystick is that you then basically you can then basically put it i mean for tv remote alone you could put i mean like i say the main thing people do with the tv remote is the volume of the channel you can pack all that onto a single control but then obviously if you want to access further functions you then get to sort of menu navigation i mean with things like with things like tuning in channels you know adjusting brightness and fiddly things that no one really bothers with really bothers with most tvs these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integrating the remote with the devices controlling which i did a little bit of concern about a market if we are i mean most of the of the replacement for remote market is sort of remote control rationalization you have got 20 different devices you are living room you want one you want one that will do the job of all of them if all you are replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room you know you still need separate remotes for everything else i just think that well this is a requirement that we have to stick to i am afraid this is not one that i have just arbitrarily decided on so this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed for now so i can understand your and i would agree with you but this is our design spec for now great to say would that include access to say interactive functions on digital or cable yeah i would say so yes because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes and that is a separate unit i think i would say that the design spec we have been laid with is for the television only for now and until we hear otherwise we should go with just that okay specifically television okay maybe we will hear differently so the joystick is just for differentness it would be ease of manipulation of certain functions yeah certain functions yes maybe then our market should be tv manufacturers rather in the public try and select to them to supply with there is that possibility yes however i do not know exactly where we will be going with that but it might not even be the avenue to marketing expert that might be sales who are not in this meeting is this the way i figure 124 €5 per unit we have to sell at least like 3000000 or something like that not to account for the money we waste on remotes that no one buys like if we made for every remote we made someone bought it we have to set a lot of remote controls it is just is this going to be enough to sell well something else that you brought up was the ability to lose it remote which as you said you have done that we have probably all done i do not know if it is a gimmick or not but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle it will beep and you tell you where it is i had one of those and my brother or my dad could have beat me up because it went off all the time accidentally well the other option of course is that the clapping one i was going to say clapping digital telephones for example one unit has of course you have to have that base unit somewhere where there is a button but maybe it is a button that you attach to the tv to a television something which when you press that it would be to give its location away on the remote unit that could be something could separate us a bit and that way because we are attaching what would be a small button to the tv again say what would be a small transmitter watch battery type scenario i would say or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just i do not power and elsewhere that might be something that we could look into yeah yeah it is putting a lot on your shoulders there so i mean that could be something that separates us a bit from mark as well yeah so to go on from here we have to decide exactly what we are going to do with the remote before we leave this meeting it would be best to say this is the design we are going to try and get this is how we are going to make ourselves look unique do we go for maybe a remote control sorry we are going to go for remote control obviously do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels up and down and then what another button that would say it is now being used to maneuver around the lcd yeah or do you think volume should volume be important in the joystick do you think we could use save the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume yeah but we have a frequency of how what people use the remote control for most okay power is used like once per hour channel selection is used 168 per hour that is by far the power that is by far the biggest one and then teletext is still here that is 14 go and volume selection volume selection okay yeah the teletext we are gambling with and we are going to say it is dead okay i could wave the do do yeah so we well sorry we could maybe even go as far as saying power button a small joystick lcd and then what maybe is it one more button to save it you are using the menu system and the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay so we are having very very few buttons involved but navigation around a menu for most things i would say 2 function buttons we are now using the menus button and an okay button something i found with the joystick on mobile phones is that a lot of the time the device mistakes you try to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay or vice versa and that is really irritating the other design constraint i think we should bear in mind is that people are very much used to using a remote control one handedly so we need to make sure that even with the joystick is something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the some okay so i would say that sounds like a rough idea do we incorporate the idea of trying to locate the remote control again via a beeping noise yeah i think so i think so i think so i mean if we only have like 2 or 3 buttons it might be essential to have to have that to locate it again yeah so that would require a transmitter maybe attached to the tv just so that he says find me and basically a small microphone on the actual unit can maybe hide it in the base light bulb as well no sorry a small speaker you mean speaker speaker sorry yeah light bulb no to flash no no you would see it anyway we might be better with the sound possibly those little key rings have both in true in fact considering the cost of an led you could just incorporate it anyway the leds can be surprisingly bright now yeah yeah and one is particularly plus that is a nice to be designed yeah so by the sense of it what we are suggesting so far your design the user interface is still quite open you could go for quite an interesting design because we are only going to have a very few key and you have got you know small lcd joystick i think it leaves you open to a potential wide range of shapes something that you are going to be able to a potential wide range of shape something that you are can make it stand out slightly if you could look into what we have suggested so far the feasibility of small transmitter and such maybe if an lcd screen requires too much power or such ebeneuser mark and the hacking expert well i can give you the frequency what people what options people use most often i guess that is going to be important in defining the software side of the interface right you want the stuff that are more if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we have taken where of a joystick to control the very basic functions and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile i do not know how easy that will be within the time frame but it could be something we could maybe look into sure sure okay any last comments that anybody would like to put forward anything that they think that has been missed out bit of a wide open question there of course feel free to email me if you think that we have screwed something up and want to get it rectified as soon as possible so i should just look at the speaker about the speaker and an led speaker and led for locating transmitter transmitter when we thought about that if we do end up to market this to television manufacturers then the transmitter could actually be built into the television we are also getting the external power source yeah that is quite true and something that we can easily be adopted at the last minute as well i would say the electronics can be either placed externally or internally it makes no different to the final product of the actual remote control so that is good it gives us a new potential market ok i think i mean if we get a major television manufacturer to say 0 yeah we will have that save us the bother then that is vast amounts of sales quinkly one thing we have almost not talked about at all my apologies for that user interface we also need to maybe get the slogan in here it is i am pointing at my laptop what in god real reaction and such so as long as you put the fashion in electronics is not it my apologies no it could well be i have probably missed that i think that is almost the last minute thing we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top so i am not too concerned that we have not gone into depth about that but it might be something you could consider when we are thinking about shapes in fact we might like to put a slogan on and possibly 2 r is to signify the company rather than real action i thought the double r could perhaps be the interval sounds good and i would save that that is us for now okay" ]

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[ "so so i hope you are ready for this functional design meeting of course so i will take the minutes you you 3 are going to do presentation we want to know to at the end to know the new project is requirement so we need to know the the user needs that we want to fulfill to fulfill the from the technical part we want to know how it going to work and 3rd part i do not remember which is not very good ah of course how to to design this this yeah nice stuff so let us go for the 3 presentations so 1st marketing expert who starts 0 ha okay so wait a minute so i dunno if i can do that like this yeah so it is being modified do you want yeah open read only i hope i saved it so yeah this is my name sammy benjo i know this name sounds we met before so as you know you i think you already know me sammy benjo i am the expert in marketing and i want to tell you about what people s want and like and dislike in remote controls and i hope this is going to help you to to design it correctly so next please 0 yeah it is put f 5 the full page presentation yep yeah maybe in the full page because i i spent lots of time doing this presentation so f f 5 okay yeah yep f 5 yeah huh okay so basically what i suggest is that instead of deciding ourself what what could be and what should be a good remote control let us ask people who are users of remote controls how they feel about w the current remote controls what they like what they do not like and and what they do with them by the way because they are supposed to be useful do not forget about that so we have we have conducted a a survey on on the use of remote controls and i would like to show you some of the results we found on this survey and next please yeah so basically what we found was that there are several things that the user do not like in remote controls 1st of all they find it very ugly current remote controls as you know they are the same as this one they are not nice color not nice shape i mean they are all the same and they are not l good looking what is interesting is that in fact it seems that they were people are ready to pay for nice and look and fancy looking remote control so i think we should probably spend lots of time in and effort in that and the other thing is that the the current remote controls are not so easy to use and it it the the current facilities that they offer do not match what people really want to use their remote controls for instance we see that they zap very often so i think this is a very important functionality that it should be easy for them to to zap in one way or another and most of the buttons on current remote controls are not used so i think we should design something where some of the buttons which are those that are used should be easier to see and use than others that only a couple of people are using next please now people are very frustrated w with their remote controls and they for instance they do not even find it it is it is often lost somewhere in the in the in your home and nobody knows where it is yeah maybe if we have something where we could ask the remote control please where are you agree yeah yeah like something to to like t i think phones some of the phones have some of this kind of s functionality of course phone you can always phone your phone but you can not phone your your remote control you can you are why not but why not yeah and because of the fact that there are so many buttons in these remote controls that nobody use in fact they do not even know how to use them so most of the the people say they they do not know how to they to use properly their r remote controls and they are bad for r s i but i do not remember what is r s i okay tha that is look great so i think they are bad r s i nobody has any idea about that well i will check with my yeah it is electromagnetic waves or something kind of maybe effect 0 okay i think it is a technical thing which our no i do not think so yeah because infrared uses some electromagnetic technology and those waves have high okay okay okay so it seems that it is a lot of people for a concept that we do not know but we have to take this into account but 26% do you know or something we do not know 25 every 4th you know yeah it is every 4 some of us knows people really okay so anyway that is for what the biggest frustration of the user and one of us yeah yeah what else do i have next slide ah yeah so we have listed a couple of functions s functions that may be used by u the user in the current available remote controls and well the tables look very nice to read but what is important is to understand that the power button is not used often because in general you use it only once per session but it is very relevant people want to have a power button channel selection is 0 often used very often used and indeed very relevant ah now i remember what is r s i it is repetitivity stress injury we have to be careful with that word but anyway i continue my presentation so yeah channel selection is very important very often used volume is not often used but people want to have control on volume and that makes sense of course and n then you have things which are very much less often used like the settings audio settings screen settings even teletext and channel settings all of them they are not often used and they are s more or less relevant it seems that people find teletext teletext relevant even if i personally never use it but seems that it is average relevant at least so i have been told that we do not consider teletext that it is out of date now because of internet i can tell you that in a l in a scale between one and 10 relevant not relevant to relevant people scored a 6 on this which is not as these these 21 were had i think 10 i think but but if you compare with these ones i think they scored a one or 2 not very relevant so if if there are good reason not to put teletext it is okay but just know that people find it somehow relevant that is for the main functions i think and then we can ask ourself what people do not have that may be useful for instance i think net next slide one of the thing the trend that you are probably aware of is the possibility the eventual possibility of having speech recognition in your remote control so you would not have to tap tap in your buttons but just tell your remote control or whatever you need you have what you want so we have conducted a survey about whether people would like or not to have this kind of functionality in their remote control and as we can see it really depends on the age young people probably because it is a buzz word find it very relevant and as the age goes up the the relevance goes down yeah so now it really depends on the kind of targeting wha who are we targeting with this remote control i think if we are targeting young people then it is probably something we have to consider cause if we are targeting you very old people this is something they really do not know why they this should be so now this is of course depends on that okay and i do not have any conclusion i did not have time the meeting was very tight so that is basically my findings and if you have any question i think it is good okay you done a good review i got one question you are a market expert so should we aim at the young people or not i can go back thank you yeah one question yeah i am i think we should aim at the young people but i think they are they are those who might be more interested in a in a new device in general the the early adopters of a new device are young people less than more than okay then teletext is used less then teletext is useless for them i think yeah okay because they they have other means of finding their information yeah okay but yeah that is good point yep okay nope kay okay thank you so now i think it is the turn of the the i am not sure of the technical function so so i think it is you huh it is no that is me techni function of what effect no user requiremen yeah okay wait a 2nd i have to do working design so argh so you are that is but this but number 3 yes so my name is mark dwight and i am responsible for user interface design however project manager asked me to give you some presentation about technical functions design as i am a more an artist that is going to be less technical functions but more user interface and current intentions and everything which is linked with this so next slide please okay let us go and a general method which is seems to be very useful for our task is not to forget about occam razor we should never complicate things too much we should only make a remote control nothing more nothing more than this just a remote control cause current remote controls they are never easy enough to use makes sense so make a click please so here is this remote control it is quite a standard one but it is not from a t v it is from a much easier device like air conditioning or something but you know we can use it for a t v easily only buttons we need is on off volume channels and maybe some options or something else and please make a click compared to this one it is which one would you prefer i guess this yeah yeah i would say the simplest one as long as there are the i find the buttons that i need every time i need a button sure sure yeah maybe it can be yeah middle of like between those 2 li yeah and our method is going to be provide simple 0 sorry simple desires into simple actions nice nice sentence findings okay 0 sorry our question of the style we should remember that our company puts fashion into electronics and we should never forget about it concept s you should yeah be simple be simple and you will lean on this market market is a of remote controls you know it better it is very well it is it is not an easy field to to play you know so be simple for personal preferences i think that to make a baby proof remote control it got to be a titanium it is a really good style it going to be look like like this it is unbreakable and it is very universal w we will have a screen with a back light which can change colors and we can put all the options into this screen we will need only few buttons all the other things can be controlled through the screen and all these buttons should be easy to find and to click cause when you watch a movie and you want to change something you always try to find a good button and click it but you should do it by touching it and finding it easily just by touch so press i would propose this concept for design just few buttons a screen with a back light which can change colors titanium i think and what else i got just very few and good ideas we need power and volume and let us include 2 nice features into this device 1st power on and off can be made fully automatic when you go to the sofa take your control and point it to the t v it is off it is on the t v turns on and when does it turn off when you do not touch the control but you go out of the 0 so you have a for for enough time like you sensing sensor machine that knows it is a question to our technical design our 2 engineers tech and another nice feature that i would like to implement is volume control suppose you set u you set up some volume and then you move out or you move to the other corner of the room and take your control with you like you want to to change the chair or you want to move to the armchair from the sofa or something and then the volume changes or you want to go to the kitchen it is easy to do you just control the according to your distance to and the angle maybe if you have a stereo system distance according to the distance yeah yeah yeah i am not sure about the screen wha what is the use usefulness of the screen so is it a touch screen by the way i think it can be just a menu which can be controlled with a left right up down and enter so it gives instructions but it has to be with an back light somehow yeah so its main purpose in fact is a back light which change colors which makes it easier to find okay and each can it can respond for your voice like it can turn on the light for you just to f find it easily yeah okay so basically that is it i see that you target several s application not only t v but i like we talk about universal remote control can be easily done cause yeah you got simple designs y we should put it to simple actions let it be universal so you want to use it for your hi fi system you want to change tracks and you want to adjust volume just few actions a few actions for everything s all the rest we sh we will put it into this menu on the screen since we were targeting a really soon date for the the the i issuing of this remote control i think we will only concentrate on t v for the moment and then maybe m make it more generalized yeah okay okay yeah and it okay but it is quite universal you know we can just extend it to any device so for instance if i want to go to directly to channel 25 how would i do can i do that with this 25 yeah let us say i am on channel 8 now you know these days we have 100s of channels that is not so easy to go just next next next when you have 100s of channels in fact i would propose another solution or is it basically you use just 4 or 5 channels right most people yeah yeah so set up your t v set like channels that you use they are one 23 and 5 and you will never have to go to a 25s channel in fact in in one remote control that i have seen instead of doing that d you could just say these are the cha ch channel 3 2848 and 64 are those that i want to by cycled with my next button yeah it is it is the same solution i think i yeah b yeah but even we can have some l c d display like you can de you can just button the number and then it go t because go to channel 25 one thing is that as i said in my presentation people really do like to z zap so even if they are only watching 4 or 5 channels yeah i think they want to zap out of the 100 channels just because this is one kind of thing they do zapping but still yeah yeah on zap it is only next next next next next yeah yeah and it is only next yeah yeah so but you have to we got these buttons here okay next next yeah or say this can be back yeah but otherwise like we can put some display on numbers and then they can just press suppose 25 they just press 2 and 5 and then so it would be okay yeah maybe we can make different modes for each button and you can change mode zapping mode or yeah yeah yeah alright current chan yeah yeah yeah but since we are focusing only on t v remote controls so we can have more functions for t v if you want to go for a universal then we ought to limit for functions for each of our devices listening more yeah okay could we carry out some research if we w really need this like how many people really need to go to channel number 25 and then to 64 well i could could have a look at that maybe okay yeah yeah i will check in my department if there is someone specialist in that okay okay although i do not know alright thanks for your attention you are finish okay so now the technical aspects of this new device 2 yeah if sorry you prefer it yeah as you know i am mister ramaro i am an expert in industrial design of all electronic devices and i previously devised many like digital calculators and electronic calculators so now i will briefly describe the working design of our remote control well as you know the basic function of remote control is sending some message to the the device like t v or v c r or d v d player etcetera so we will have a p portable device which will send message to the the main device like t v so we need to have some energy source to do what to do the functions what we want on this portable device and usually this so to do these functions we need an interface which basically some kind of pressing buttons or keys or like moving jack or something like that and then these messages these key buttons can be transferred into some kind of message and then it will process by the chip and then it will generate some information to the main device it is generally in the form of infrared or some kind of s sensor information then we will have the main control in the main device to do the particular action what we want so basically we need since we are focusing on our interface device remote control we need few components mainly the energy source like the battery and then we have user interface like the keypad and you know buttons we want and then we have some chip it is mainly digital signal processing chip because since we are i am one doing mostly digital devices we ought to have some kind of processor which take care of all these functions and put it in some digital format and then we will have the infrared l e d source which sends the information to the main device then we will have switch in our main device to do particular operations and we ought to do different codes for different t v s so some t v s will have different encryption codes for doing s s channel changing and these things okay to make it quite an universal device yeah yeah because the people do not use one particular brand so or at least we have more more than 5 brands which are really good okay so we need to check their specifications and do their encryption that is passing information to the t v device so we need to have particular encryption codes okay then components so we have the main energy source and then we will have some buttons and then we will have infrared source and then we have some inside some chip in in the device since i do not have much time so i will input the connections to all this components and since i also want to know feedback from our marketing expert and user interface so if you want to add some more components we can incorporate them and from from the discussion we had do you can you make it on the whiteboard or yeah yeah i am sure because since our user interface speech recognition and also marketing expert for the speech recognition is really handy so we can have another like s simple speech recogniser on our d s b chip since we have some kind of energy this is our this normal battery so this battery once you s switch on it will take power and we can have some speech recognition and in our g generally small digital signal processing chip so that and we will put the small simple speech recogniser and we can also train the speech recogniser for particular user so you just yeah on train it okay so that we just use simple recog no but but too complex but very very good to sell yeah no even in you can find even simple mobile device like any mobile brand you can have these voice dialers or these things yeah think of a all these young people who would love to say that this remote control only works for them okay okay yeah and ha ha you cannot use my remote control because it is targeted to me yeah whatever and what about the price of this component so maybe we can make it in €5 and even less than that because we want to have 1000000s and in bulk it okay cheap 1000000s so we can make really simp and we want to make really simple device because we have only very few words like like power okay cheap switch on or some like then we will have something like this we will have volume and then we will have s particular channel so users can listen the user will just be able to say please can you pump up the vo pump up the volume or or it will be something like volume ye no yeah a user can use any kind of sender but they should have this prompt volume and then yeah volume and decrease or increase up down okay with a keywords and yeah so we try to only recognize those words and and because we can not really say user to say same wording then it become more mechanical and yeah okay couple of words okay okay and then we can have channel they can say okay i want 8 because we do not know like users have different programs i mean they do not really follow same channels strict so we just want channel number we do not want like b b c or c n n or something else because okay okay of course it has to be it will be complicated so we will have only these 3 main basic anyway volume is not really speech recognition problem okay it is it it will be take care of our main no you know it is a conceptual question cause now i see th this the picture in front of my eyes like a user taking his remote control and shouting into it but then i think you volume up volume up and and he is coming you know he is really annoyed with this down up down you 1st of all i i think this is not functionality that it is going to be instead of using the buttons no in no not only speech yeah it is on top of using the button okay for this budget like €12 i it is an option well i dunno yeah actually we we can have one switch to like switch on on and off this processor and this really suppose like here we have our main chip which controls power volume and this part and this d s p s again this to have some interaction like suppose people use d s p then it particularly sends some information to the chip like in some form like volume and like this key so it may not be like very expensive because since we are only focusing on t v remote control so and we have only few things here okay t v okay sho to to train okay yeah did you consider the r gest gesture recognition like if i want to put volume up i like do i take my remote control do like something like this point we did not consider because it is it is very expensive because v our target is only like €125 and roll em up or roll em down very expensive no and well what about the idea of automatic on off on the button yeah why that is just and volume control yeah even automatic on off is also a bit problematic because it different criteria for different people like so suppose people are really they just they do not touch the remote and y you do not know how much time you need to switch on or switch off and so but sh should we target a a user personalized remote control so in in a given room there might be more than one remote control we would have each one and with our own personal settings yay yeah yeah that can be possible especially for power settings so user can say okay suppose they are watching a tennis match or something then they can say okay after one hour i would not that make arguments they can make yeah of course i want that is no problem we will sell more yeah we can have and we can increase this the strength y you can buy one with we got a really good market expert yeah exactly yeah let us send more let us sell more okay okay you have something else to say not very much like yeah no okay thanks okay thanks thank you yep thank you so can you just yeah i think okay we are just on time so we are now going to l have the lunch break great then we will work again for 30 minutes individual work and we will meet again for the next meeting and in this one want to to be more focused on the individual actions the on the components so you will focus on the component concept yeah yeah of course the u i d mark will be focused on the user interface concept and our m market expert sammy benjo on the trend watching mark will so of course like before specific instruction will be sent to you by your personal personal coach well i think that is all and we have maybe we have to we say only for t v not teletext i think automatic on off control it is not possible it is in current price yeah difficult yeah maybe in the next step if we make it work yeah but speech recogniser can be possible yeah implemented 0 okay we can think about that and do you see something else no should it be equipped with the with speakers speakers in the remote cont like you want to find it you shout 0 yeah control and it answers is i am here yeah that is or it just beeps that would be enough just beeps or maybe you want to phone him something very cheap but that is ex that is expensive yeah yeah yeah since now all yeah yeah especially the power it really consumes because it should be all the time on and think huh well i i heard of devices where you just whistle them and and they because of the the frequency they they just answer to that and and it is answered yeah yeah i can not whistle no no i can not you can not whistle huh or a clap you can clap clap clap clap it is a good i i think it is universal can you yeah clap is good yeah tak just a suggestion okay what about people without hand yeah with only one hand yeah i think it is good these are not our target people okay but it is a good feature i guess yeah we need to think about more how to incorporate it okay just do not interfere with other devices like cause like all these people do that their lights are turning on with clapping 0 that is e that already exists okay okay 0 yeah i got it at my home like 0 yeah you do have oops wow ah it is you are trendy so let us to think s so that yeah think about it yeah okay i think that could be in the component concept yeah it yes okay okay good we are done so yeah let us go to lunch yeah right thanks thank you thank you very much" ]

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[ "so so so for this functional design thing of course so i will take the minutes you 3 are going to do presentation and we want to know at the end to know the new project is requirement so we need to know the user needs that we want to fulfill to fulfill the from the technical part we want to know how it is going to work and 3rd part i do not remember which is not very good ah of course how to design this this nice stuff yeah so so let us go for the 3 presentations 1st the marketing expert okay so i do not know if i can do that like this yeah so it is being modified do you want yeah open read only i hope i saved it so yeah i know just like that this is my name so as you know you i think you already know me sami benjio i am the expert in marketing and i want to tell you about what people want and like and dislike in remote controls and i hope this is going to help you to design it correctly so next please yeah it is put the full page yeah maybe in the full page because i spend lots of time doing this presentation f 5 okay so basically what i suggest is that instead of deciding ourselves what could be and what should be good remote control let us ask people who are users of remote controls how they feel about the current remote controls what they like what they do not like and what they do not like what they do with them by the way because they are supposed to be useful do not forget about that so we have we have conducted a survey on the use of remote controls and i would like to show you some of the results we found on this survey and next please yeah so basically what we found was that there are several things that the user do not like in remote controls 1st of all they find it very ugly current remote controls as you know they are the same as this one they are not nice color not nice shape they are all the same and they are not good looking what is interesting is that in fact it seems that people are ready to pay for a nice and fancy looking remote controls so i think we should probably spend lots of time and effort in that and the other thing is that the current remote controls are not so easy to use and the current facilities that they offer do not match what people really want to use their remote controls for instance we see that they zap very often so i think this is a very important functionality it should be easy for them to zap in one way or another and most of the buttons on current remote controls are not used so i think we should design something where some of the buttons which are those that are used should be easier to see and use than others that only a couple of people are using next please now people are very frustrated with their remote controls for instance they do not even find it it is often lost somewhere in your home and nobody knows where it is maybe if we have something where we could ask the remote control please where are you something to like i think phones some of the phones have some of these kind of functionality of course phone you can always phone your phone but you can not phone your but why not yeah and because of the fact that there are so many buttons in these remote controls that nobody use in fact they do not even know how to use them so most of the the people say they do not know how to do to use properly their remote controls and they are bad for rsi but i do not remember what is aerosai so i think they are bad okay that is not great nobody has any idea about that well i will check it with my ultra magnetic waves or something like okay i think it is a technical thing which yeah because infrared uses some electromagnetic but 26% it is a lot of people for concept that we do not know but we have to take this into account every force you know everything some of us knows so anyway that is for what the biggest frustration of the user and what else do i have next slide 0 yeah so we have listed a couple of functions that may be used by the user in the current available remote controls and the table is not very nice to read but what is important is to understand that the power button is not used often because in general you use it only once per session but it is very relevant people want to have a power button channel selection is often used very often use and indeed very relevant now i remember what is rsi it is repetitivity stress injury we have to be careful with that word but anyway i continue my presentation so yeah channel selection is very important very often used volume is not often used but people want to have control on volume and that makes sense of course and then you have things which are very much less often used like the settings audio settings screen settings even teletext and channel settings all of them they are not often used and they are more or less relevant or less relevant it seems that people find teletext relevant even if i personally never use it but it seems that it is average relevant at least i have been told that we do not consider teletext that it is out of date because of internet i can tell you that in a scale between one and 10 relevant not relevant to relevant people scored a 6 on this which is not as these 21s had i think 10 i think but if you compare with these ones i think they scored a one or 2 not very relevant so if there are good reason not to put teletext it is okay but just know that people find it somehow relevant that is for the main functions i think and then we can ask ourselves what people do not have that may be useful for instance i think next slide one of the things the trend that you are probably aware of is the possibility the eventual possibility of having special recognition in your remote control so you would not have to tap in your buttons but just tell your remote control or whatever unit you have what you want so we have conducted a survey about whether people would like or not to have this kind of functionality in their remote control and as we can see it really depends on the age young people probably because it is a buzzword find it very relevant and as the age goes up the relevance goes down so now it really depends on the kind of targeting who are we targeting with this remote control i think if we are targeting young people then it is probably something we have to consider we are targeting you are very old people this is something they really do not know why they should be so now this is of course depends on that and i do not have any conclusion i did not have time the meeting was very tight so that is basically my findings if you have any question i think it is good okay i can really one question yeah you are a market expert so i am should we aim at a young people or not i think we should aim at the young people but i think they are those who might be more interested in the new device in general the early adopters of a new device are young people less than more than then tel text is useless then teletext is useless for them i think yeah because they have other means of finding their information yeah but that is a good point okay okay thank you so now i think it is the turn of the i am not sure of the technical function so so i think it is you no that is me what do you is a requirement yeah i have to do working design so you are that is participant number 3 yes so my name is so my name is so my name is mark twight and i am responsible for user interface design however product manager asked me to give you some presentation about technical functions design as i am more an artist that is going to be less technical functions but more user interface and current intentions and everything which is linked with this so next slide please and a general method which seems to be very useful for our task is not to forget about the ockom razor we should never complicate things too much we should only make a remote control nothing more nothing more than this just remote control because current remote controls they are never easy enough to use so make a click place so here is his remote control it is quite a standard one but it is not from a tv it is from a much easier device like air conditioning or something but you know we can use it for a tv easily only buttons we need is on off volume channels and maybe some options or something else something else and please make a click compared to this one which one would you prefer i guess is i would say the simplest one as long as there are the i find the buttons that i need every time i need a button sure sure maybe it can be a middle of like between those 2 and our method is going to be provide simple sorry simple desires into simple action nice nice sentence findings 0 sorry our passion is a style we should remember that our company puts fashion into electronics and we should never forget about it concept be simple be simple and you will win on this market marketers of remote controls you know it better it is very well it is not an easy field to play you know so be simple for personal preferences i think that to make a baby proof remote control it got to be a titanium it is a really good style it is going to look like this it is unbreakable and it is very universal we will have a screen with a backlight which can change colors and we can put all the options into this screen we will need only few buttons all the other things can be controlled through the screen and all these buttons should be easy to find and to click because when you watch a movie and you want to change something you always try to find a good button and click it but you should do it by touching it and find it easily just by touch so press i would propose this concept for design just view you about buttons a screen with a backlight which can change colors titanium think and what else i got just very few good ideas we need power and volume and let us include 2 nice features into this device 1st power on and off can be made fully automatic when you go to the software take your control and point into the tv the tv the tv turns on and when does it turn off when you do not touch the control but you go out of it for enough time like you sensing sensor machine that it is a question to our technical designer to engineers and another nice feature that i would like to implement is the volume control suppose you have set up some volume some volume and then you move out or you move to the other corner of the room and take your control with you like you want to change the chair or you want to move to the armchair from the sofa or you want to move to the volume changes it is easy to do you just control the according to your distance according to the distance and the angle maybe if you have a yeah yeah yeah i am not sure the screen what what is the use usefulness of the screen is it a touch screen by the way i think it can be just a menu which can be controlled with the left right up down and enter so it gives instructions but it has to be then back light somehow so its main purpose in fact is a backlight which change colors which makes it easier to find and it can it can respond for your voice like it can turn on the light for you just to find it easily okay so basically that is it and i see that you target several applications not only tv but like we talk about universal remote control can be easily done because you got simple designs we should put it to simple actions let it be universal so you want to use it for your hi fi system you want to change tracks and you want to adjust volume just a few actions few actions for everything all the rest we will put it into this menu on the screen since we were targeting a really soon date for the the issuing of this remote control i think we will only concentrate on tv for the moment okay okay but it is quite universal yeah we can just extend it to any device for instance if i want to go directly to channel 25 how would i do can i do that with this 25 yeah let us say i am on channel 8 now you know these days we have 100s of channels that is not so easy to go just next next next when you have 100s of channels in fact i would propose another solution basically you use just 4 or 5 channels most people yeah so set up your tv set like channels that you use they are 123 and 5 and you will never have to go to a 25th channel in fact in one remote control that i have seen instead of doing that you could just say these are the channel 3 28 48 and 64 64 are those that i want to be cycled with my next button yeah it is the same solution yeah but even we can have some lcd display that you can go do channel 35 but on the number and then you go to go one thing is that as i said in my presentation people really do like to zap so even if they are only watching 4 or 5 channels i think they want to zap out of the 100 channels just because this is one kind of thing they do and zap it is only next next yeah so but you have to you got these buttons here okay next next next or say this can be back but other is like we can put some display on numbers and then they can just press so it would be so it would be so it would be maybe we can make different modes for each button you can change the mapping mode or all right curious because since we are focusing only on tv remote control so we can have more functions for tv if you want to go for universal then we have to limit for functions for each of our devices okay could we carry out some research if you really need this like how many people really need to go to channel number 25 and then to 640 i could could have a look at that maybe i will check in my department if there is someone specialist in that although i do not know thanks for your attention so now the technical aspects of this new device this new device i am an expert in industrial design of all electronic devices and i previously devised many digital calculators and electronic calculators so now i will briefly describe the working design of our remote control well as you know the basic function of remote control is sending some message to the the device like tv or vcr or dvd player etc so we will have portable device which will send message to the the main device like tv so we need to have some energy source to do what to do the functions what we want on this portable device and usually these so to do these functions we need an interface it is basically some kind of pressing buttons or keys or like moving jack or something like that and then these messages these key buttons can be transferred into some kind of message and then it will process by the chip and then it will generate some information to the main device it is generally in the form of infrared or some kind of sensor information then we will have the main control in the main device to do the particular action what we want so basically we need since we are focusing on our interface device that is our remote control we need few components mainly the energy source like the battery and then we have user interface like the keypad and new buttons we want and and then we have some chip it is mainly digital signal processing chip because since we are involved doing mostly digital devices we have to have some kind of processor which take care of all these functions and put it in some digital format and then we will have the infrared led source which sends the information to the main device then we will have switch in our main device to do particular our operations and we have to do different codes for different tvs so some tvs will have different encryption codes for doing channel changing and these things to make it quite an universal device yeah because people do not use one particular band so at least we have more more than 5 brands which are really good so we need to check their specifications and do our encryption that is passing information to the tv device so we need to have particular encryption codes then components so we have the main energy source and then we will have some buttons and then we will have infrared source and then we have some inside some chip in the device i do not have much time so i did not put the connection to all these components and since i also want to no feedback from our marketing expert and user interface so if you want to add some more components we can incorporate them from a discussion we had can you make it on the whiteboard yeah i am sure because since our user interface engineers suggesting speech recognition and also marketing expert found that speech recognition is really handy so we can have another like simple speech recognition on our dsp chip since we have some kind of energy this is our just normal battery so this battery once you switch on it will take power and we can have some speech recognition and in our generally small digital signal processing chip so that and we will put the small simple speech recognizer and we can also try in the speech recognizer for particular user so you just yeah so we just use simple too complex but very very good to sell yeah even you can find even simple mobile device like any mobile brand you can have this voice dealers or think of all these young people who would love to say that this remote control only works for them okay you cannot use my remote control because it is targeted to me whatever and what about the price of this component maybe we can make between €5 and even less than that because we want to have 1000000s and in bulk so we can make really simple and we want to make really simple device because we have only very few words like like power switch on or some like then we will have something like this we will have volume and then we will have particular channel so users can decide so we will just be able to say please can you pop up the volume or it will be something like volume up user can use any kind of sentence but they should have these prompted words volume and then with keywords yeah volume decrease or increase so we try to only recognize those words and and because we can not really say user to say same word and then it become more mechanical and then we can have channel they can say okay i want 8 because we do not know like users have different programs i mean they do not really follow the same channel structure so we just want channel number we do not want like bbc or cnn or something of course it has to be complicated so we will have only these 3 main basic okay anyway volume is not really speech recognition problem it will be taken of our main no it is a conceptual question because now i see the picture in front of my eyes like a user taking his remote control and showing out and into it wall you mouth wall him up but i think he is coming you know he is really a note was this you down up down 1st of all i think this is not a functionality that is going to be instead of using the buttons it is on top of using the button okay for this budget like €12 well i do not know no actually we can have one switch to like switch on and of this dsp processor and this really parallel to the suppose like here we have our main chip which controls power volume and these buttons and this dsps again these to have some interaction like suppose people use dsp then it particularly sends some information to the chip like in some form like volume increase or like this key deep so it need not be like very expensive because since we are only focusing on tv remote controls okay and we have only few things here 22 things okay did you consider the gesture recognition like if i want to put volume up i like do i take my remote control do like something like volume up or pull them down at this point we did not consider because it is very expensive no it is very expensive because our target is only like €125 what about the idea of automatic on off and yeah even automatic on off is also a bit problematic because different criteria for different people like so suppose people are really they just they do not touch the remote and you do not know how much time you need to switch on or switch off and should we target the user personalized the remote control so in in a given room there might be more than one remote control we would have each one yeah and with our own personal settings yeah that can be possible especially for power settings so user can say okay suppose they are watching a tennis match or something then they can say okay after one hour would not that make arguments yeah of course that is no problem we will sell more we can increase the strength exactly you can buy yeah let us send more let us sell more okay okay you have something else to say not very much no okay thanks okay thanks thank you so can you just i think okay we are just on time so we are now going to have the lunch break great then we will work again for 30 minutes in video work and we will meet again for the next meeting and in this one i want to to be more focused on the individual actions on the components so you will focus on the component concept of course the uid mark will be focused on the user interface concept and our market expert sami benjo on the trend watching so of course like before specific instruction we will be saying to you by your personal coach 0 i think that is all and we have maybe we have to we say only for tv not a text text i think automatic on off control it is not possible it is difficult in current phrase yeah maybe in the next step if we make it work but speech recogniser can be possible okay we can think about that and do you see something else no should it be equipped with speakers speakers like you want to find it you shout control and it answers i am here or it just beeps that would be it or maybe you want to phone him but that is expensive especially the power it really consumes because it should be all the time on and i heard of devices where you just whistle them and the because of the frequency they just i can not answer to that you can not whistle no or a clap you can clap it is a good i think it is universal with only one hand yeah i think these are not our target people but it is a good feature i guess we need to think about more how to incorporate just do not interfere with other devices like because like always people do that the lights are turning on with clapping 0 that is it that already exists yeah i got it at my home 0 yeah you do have wow you are trendy so let us think think about it yeah i think that could be the component concept yeah okay good we are done yeah yeah thank you thank you very much thank you i am" ]

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[ "so is why not save that no you will ha have to open it up from elsewhere do you want to replace existing file no i actually tried to transfer it to my documents but yeah you have to you have to close that window cause that is the save one is not it so and then find it spreadsheet yeah but i have ta right i will just re do it that is the easiest way right well we have made our prototype anyway we can have a good look at that you pass it round to have a look y no it is a slightly curved around the sides very nice it is almost curved like up to the main display as well and the little line at the bottom indicates the bit the panel that you pull down and the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line and we have got the stick on the button with the company logo on we also have a apple slash cherry design at the top so it is yeah cherry would be alright actually yeah yeah it is a bit more fun is not it and it is kinda not really at a kind of you think apple you think computers like apple mac yeah yeah we might get a copyright yeah what is this this one yeah and cherries are fun summery what is that one there ah that is the mute 0 okay for the m right it it would probably have to be labeled mute huh but we did not have anything small enough to write they are thinking okay for the 1st time well it was hard to get the h the actual labeling on the individual buttons yeah we just chose simple shapes for all them the important ones are the volume ones so we made them a bit bigger the mute could possibly be a bit smaller hum you separate off in color the volume related buttons from the channel related buttons so you have got the volume in orange on design there and the the channel is in blue yeah r right yeah and we chose a v +and v minus all these things have cost implications and so when i done my thing on cost a i had assumed that the only button that would be a different color would be the the red apple button so however i have now but yeah so but there would be a cost implication on that i will see if i can find them and as i suppose that so whether wanted to put in all these colors would be open to debate i suppose yeah sis well the colors would not like that is they would not be too important but we did not have any white play doh have so that is where the color buttons came from an important consideration right okay so and the 2nd one underneath would be the idea for the yes we will have the slide away right okay bottom so we have got detail design meeting right so so we have got prototype presentation which we have just done evaluation criteria and finance so i guess w we have to evaluate if that meets the various aspects that we are looking for from our previous meeting so other than the fact that it does not have the 2nd layer but obviously obviously it would but other than that we got the red apple we got the buttons and the only thing that has really changed is the is the colouration of the buttons yes yes and the bit after the evaluation criteria is is the finance right okay and the and the cost implication the only snag about this is that the cost is probably kind of important so and then the production evaluation as to how easy that would be to to manufacture and whether it would so if you had to do a presentation or will you just work it on the prototype that is it this this is a yes this is our presentation of the prototype that is the pr okay right so as far as the the finance of it would be concern would be to make sure that the cost aye the production cost cause you may remember that was one of the 1st considerations was to be in d under 1250 or €25125 so there is no redesign so that should right so seems to me that the thing that i have to do is is quickly find that could we get this on the board just so we can see or do you mean do you have the figures there we should plug it in right do you want to plu do you want to plug it in into the the back of that one okay kay alice so sh we could do it as we d go along the production costs looking at the prototype right kay this should be then okay so by the fact that we have got the simple chip and the kinetic energy source we have got a single curved case we have got a rubber case materials supplements so we had decided that we are having rubber buttons and have a push button interface okay w the button supplements well originally i thought there would just be one in there because it was the one red apple but so the so the real w the real question then would come in do you make all the buttons well do we will do it on the prototype so do 2 see how much it is 0 well so we have got one special button form which was the apple everything else is going to be a standard yeah yeah and then we would have we have got special material rubber wood titanium et cetera and that so i was originally i was thinking rubber was not special but according to this maybe it is so and the r i mean effectively we have got 16 buttons that we are going to have on there yeah i think you just do one do not you for the w i do not know is is is the sort of answer is that meant to be all 16 buttons and therefore i mean what is the op the option was maybe not to have rubber buttons but just to have the one that was soft and spongy and therefore i think i think it is just it is just a one else whereas it would be the special color would be for the so you would only have the one special button that was rubber whereas the rest would be hard plastic i thi i think i think the button supplement i is just a supplement for all the buttons made in a different material rather than per button i do not know though i would every design change is i dunno okay if we just had all the buttons as standard except for the one red apple then that would take care of that i guess we would have one special color and one special button form and when i plugged that in last time remember it has to be under 125 as far as i know that that took care of the of the various supplements and if what happened you have just gone off the window into another one it is on the bottom row maybe if you just minimize that one in the top right hand corner of the little box yeah now right okay so but the point would be that if we if we just did special sorry you were saying that it would be that one that you would put in one there yeah yeah okay so that is 9 one there so we have got some so it well is it s is no it is 97 i have got kay okay just give us a bit of so that would that would work out fine if as assuming your correction are are assuming that that one change covers all the buttons then that would be fine and there is nothing else as far as i can see that we we had planned to put on s i switching around those th on the electronics we got the sample sensor at the moment we have just got the simple chip which costs one i guess the sample sens sample speaker would be the voice recognition thing which puts up to 4 huh yeah we should be slightly over our budget but if we gather something else down to slightly lower standard yeah and maybe go with the one the special form buttons then we could have the speech well hold on if we okay that gives us 127 so maybe if we got rid of like the maybe one of the special colors kept them all the same color then we could have the voice recognition without but remember that the idea was to keep it the color of the 0 i see so just take out the special color for the apple and yeah yeah d would not you have to keep the simple chip there as well you know how you turn that one to a 0 would not the chip and the sample speaker be separate things so you need both of them yeah we have to have it 0 possibly yeah yeah maybe yeah maybe we would be giving up on the kinetic and go for battery instead yeah that would give you one less we should yeah that would save us one though we would still be slightly ov but you reckon that i i mean the thing is that you wanted to a appeal to people and not have to replace batteries yeah yeah well since it is the through the whole technology type thing you were saying in the market research that people like kind of interesting gadgets in them whether they would figure the the s sample senor and the sample speaker voice recognition be sort of a worthwhile thing to have and then still have the batteries or whatever they would prefer not you know what i mean the the problem was the battery is running out and losing the losing the remote yeah so you got to decide which of those is more important to them but which do you think or which do we think is the more important of the options i think the voice recognition in a sense at the moment we have got a total which we need to reduce down by one2 at least remember that was a minimum requirement the other option if we are planning on just going for something cheap and cheerful would be to make it originally we are going to make it a simple product shall we shall we evaluate the prototype as we have got it now 1st and then sort of make decisions about what needs to be changed after yeah makes sense okay okay right i have a little thing so we have all got a note of it is 137 is not it with everything we want on sorry do you want that back up yeah i just had a presentation to right do but i do think the v voice recognition thing would be more impressive than the fact that it has got no battery okay but remember the main the only reason we were planning on having the voice recognition was so that they could find the remote if it got lost right okay this is about the evaluation criteria that we use for the the prototype we have got here and so the method is that the design team makes a prototype and we evaluate the prototype against some criteria that we have formulated and those ones are going to be in response to sort of market research and also finance i guess and do that on a scale from say true being one and false being 7 so if it is neither true nor false then that is 4 so i got a set of criteria just based on the marketing that we need to add in a financial one as well at the end so we have to say whether it is true or false that the product looks and feels fancy the whether the product demonstrates technical innovation whether it is easy to use whether it is incorporating sort of the fashion element to attract the buyer and whether it is a sort of recognizable real reaction product and i have to go up onto the whiteboard and do this apparently so i will go over here okay right so the 1st one is does the product look and feel fancy so if we do a sort of a one so okay well we have a single curve which was maybe like the feel of the product is quite good yeah so okay then we have the rubber kinda spongy feel which was in at the time yeah yeah sorry that would be considered fancy yeah yeah i would maybe give it a a 2 of but i think what is one false or is t one true i forgot one is true one is true and okay 7 is fal 4 is neutral okay and a 4 is neutral so so maybe maybe a 2 yeah cause we have not got the double curve so we can not like say it is completely true go for one right but it is pretty close yep we have got almost everything we can okay okay right i going to put underneath so i have got some more space so false is 7 true is one and so say about a 2 for fancy you think yeah yeah okay yeah why not not m m maybe nearer 3 okay well d you do an average at the end i do not know 23 well it is just that saying something remember that when you look down we have got solar power we have got various other things you could have and we are not going for these options huh this this is just this is just for like the look does it sort of look fancy rather than functional so yeah i suppose that might be in the technical innovation bit yeah so that so sh should we go for a a 2 on that okay kay and i mean how much does the product demonstrate technical innovation do you reckon deciding between the kinetic power or the speech recognition and if we had either of those for our budget they both show a reasonable amount of speech recognition d yeah okay so what about the pr the prototype as it is we have got we have got the speech recognition on it have not we but not the kinetic but not the kinetic like the power no cause you can not afford that w we took that out too no we c ca yeah we can not afford both alright so did not you or so it does not it is pretty the prototype as it is is not sort of fulfilling the no may is maybe about neutral plus it it it has got something but it has not got maybe a 3 okay yeah well wait a minute in 137 we do have kinetic i would give it more than a 4 the problem is we have to reduce down from there to get it down to 125 right okay and one way of doing that would be to take out the kinetic so it is very much dependant on what you do with your options right okay and if you are definitely going for the sample sensor and sample speaker kay then because that the other functions we have got in are are more at the the special material the rubber wood titanium et cetera if you go for that th that is at the high end cause that is 6 whereas down at just special colors is 2 now you are trying to lose one2 so it seems to me that if you are going for the sample sensors speaker you are basically then having to go for the cheaper options on everything else okay and and the simple way to do it would be to have a battery to have your sample sensor speaker and then you are looking to take out 2 which would be come from the button supplements category s i am just going to check my email i am just going to check exactly what it said in the email for the product how much of a difference would it make if we made the case in plastic because we did say that we do not want to follow the fashion too much if the buttons are rubber that might be spongy enough and then it stand the test of time better interface type well plastic rather than rubber okay but i that that that would make the significant difference you could either you could have it if you have a in plastic rather than rubber then that would enable you to get you could keep kinetic then you could keep your sample sensor and you would be looking to take out 2 so you could fiddle that down your special form at the bottom or your special color at the bottom and that would enable you to to do it okay so it says if we make a slightly more fancy then we lose points innovation and if we make it more innovative innovative then we lose points on it being fancy so yeah yeah ye i just read the email again and it sort of says it is evaluate the design sort of as it is i think so i think we need to think about finance after we have sort of evaluated that design i do not know whether we are doing it in the wrong order or something or well okay but well i suppose it is rubber as it is is not it it is rubber as it is yes so i mean does this need to go up a bit or something cause we have got both the both the we got we have we have got 137 and we have got it in at the moment and if and basically we are going to reduce down from that the speech yeah yeah but the current one you would say would be fancy would be too yeah yeah yeah for for innovation so we have got the speech the speech thing and i would have said about a 2 as well do you reckon a 2 yeah 2 or 3 i would be happy with a 2 okay 0 2 and the next one is i will have to get it back up now the next on well i can just sing about easy to use i would have said yes i would go for a one on that at this point in time yeah okay yeah i would say so as well incorporates elements of fashion to attract buyer well yeah it certainly has some yeah it has got the cherry and the sponginess it does yeah yep say about a 3 maybe i do not know yeah m yeah it was just doing it quite well maybe 2 i think we are going to have to lose some of these but the moment as it stands it is yep yeah i would have said 2 would seem reasonable it is a 2 the product is a recognizable real r reaction product yeah this is the sensor using all of its all of its products all of its buttons and it has got a fairly big label on the bottom saying this yeah that is a bit rough at the minute yeah where it comes from so this is about sort of the corporate image of like new sort of sleek technology and all that sort of thing 0 as well as having the logo on and all that okay so sort of is it sort of a recognizable product does it fit in with our other other products which are sort of coffee makers and spacecraft s well it has got the same speech feature as the coffee machine what do y also it is kind of spongy rubberiness is maybe bit more kinda comfortable than kinda sleek and new age yeah it depends which way you look at it huh okay so we are going for a so maybe a kind of 3 23 d 2 or 3 yeah 2 or 3 well the logo would be more recognizable on the actual thing it is just that the pen would not really write on that paper sure but yeah i think the logo would definitely be recognizable and it does have attributes that other products do 2 aye go for it right okay 2 or 3 2 how right come on 2 that is that decided okay right so right so we are now on to changing it to get it to fit in with the budget requirements and then yeah what does what do all them numbers mean then do we add them up and rate or anything yeah we s yeah i think we sort of add them up so sort of at an average is going to be i am just going to do this in my head about a 2 2 one8 is not it or something i think anyway so yeah pretty close to a 2 yeah so it is so so it is i mean it is pretty good at the moment but it is going to get worse is not it but we have got to try and make sure it does not get too bad yep so should we get so are definite was it 137 was the definite price rule if has 2 b 2 b 2 yeah yes yeah okay so we need to well you can lose one2 and still meet the requirements do you want to plug it into yours so we can get up the okay well i put it back on the finances so i guess this is this the last stage once we sort out the finances part of it i am not sure we will probably have to re rate it yes i would have thought so yeah yeah we will make the adjustments and then see how are rates are going yeah okay so what was it control f 8 was not it ah it is on it is come on already 0 0 how kind right okay so you can see there that the if you want to keep kinetic right you have got a choice there of going down to battery which would save you one you have got the sample sensor and and sample speaker which is your big item 0 actually we just have a plastic case then we lose 2 points which gets us that is right which gets you in right within the budget range yes yeah i think that would be fine because that was just a trend and we do have rubber buttons anyway so that is 117 and then we could make sure we definitely had all the button supplements yeah different different colors yeah alright yeah i was i was thinking that because maybe maybe the sort of rubber case is a bit less in sort of the corporate identity than the sort of you know sleeker plastic case possibly yeah yeah okay so and that would allow us to have all the technical innovations so we would lose a little bit on the maybe kind of so we are going for plastic yes lose a little bit on the fashion yeah but yep 0 yeah and that would now be yeah that is that is within the budget and then do we actually have do we just have one special special forms down here well w there was debate as to how you would count them you got special color well originally i was assuming we had the red apple and therefore that was the special color yeah i think we should just imagine white buttons and we we have we have got we have got enough for another we have got nought 8 left so we have got enough for another yeah well we have got special form now that would be one button and the question was was that all buttons or is that just one button cause our plan really was to have one button only with a special so so no matter how you look at that that would be the same yeah but the but but but the the other thing would then be special material rubber wood titanium i think maybe the special color we have got 3 now just because the volume buttons are different yeah i guess we would have the ones which are blue at the moment would would just be the standard color alright so special color you want 3 in there yeah which i think we should yeah they will still be fine for the for the price okay well i thin i think you you you just need 2 for the special color cause it is just 2 supplements you know one original color and then sort of 2 supplements i think maybe that makes sense okay that is probably it okay yeah so we only ne we only need 2 for that okay cause i mean these these are molded the one color is going to be molded out of a piece of plas of rubber is not it okay yeah i would agree with that i think so special colors 2 right and we have got special form is the one apple the rest are all standard although you could argue that should maybe be you were making these buttons down the bottom i was presuming bigger than the other ones or were you ne was that the idea yeah the volume ones should stand out a bit maybe that will be a 2nd supplement yeah that then there is a spe a 2nd special form huh yeah i would have thought that is probably about r well well you got you got 12 okay so tha so i think that should still be okay yeah that is 123 so we are still right within budget on that yep that makes sense so decide we have lost a little bit on the fashion and lost a bit on the fancy kinda side of it yep but generally speaking we have kept the other attributes to the i would have said so yeah so you would maybe put fash fan fashion at 3 rather than 2 that is without so shall we do a well yeah and specially it definitely could fits the the real product what was the what is the company name real reactions real reaction produ i am not quite sure what does that mean r yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean it still seems definitely fit that p so that is like if that is the new age kind of inno innovative yeah so c type company then having the kinetic feature and the voice recognition is p quite high up on yep i would s so it is w if we have if we have put in for another special form on a button then maybe they could be a different shape like we got a cherry one maybe other ones could be something else shaped i do not know that would be poss seeing as seeing as it is cheaper to make them a different you mean of seeing as we have got you know we have made it a a special form so and that would sort of maybe keep us close on the sort of the fashion type one and it would sort of you know keep it quite fancy as well i do not know well you could argue you might do it once a year you would change because at the moment you are making a red apple yeah so it is a well you could so next year you could make next year is model the same but have it as a a yeah whate whatever a lemon yeah whatever fruit was in fashion next year yeah l a lemon lemon or something yeah i mean the volume buttons could be lemons or something maybe and that amount okay so we have what have we what have we rid of we got rid of the plastic yeah we have the main thing we have changed really is the casing is not it is it the rubber that yeah that was that was just about all we have yeah i think we have saved quite a bit because we have just got the push button interface which is by far the cheapest yeah but so maybe in a sense not having that maybe we have lost some maybe lost something on the innovation side i dunno and that is like the most standard type of button so i mean we have got we got rid of the rubber case but we have now s we now sort of got an extra form and an extra color for the buttons so maybe in terms of sort of fanciness and fashionability we are pretty much the same maybe yeah so i mean we could maybe put 2 again on them and everything else has stayed pretty much the same so well ease has certainly stayed yeah plus if anything that is special forms makes it slightly easier to yeah yeah yeah to use and what about the sort of innovation well we have still got the kinetic energy do you think okay and the speech feature yeah the speech feature and then the corporate identity i think we have cut just about the same we have maybe lost has not it it is hard to tell how the rubber the rubber casing would really affect how it would play out yeah yeah 0 whether whether that is considered to be sort of part of the corporate identity i do not know i mean it is maybe not i mean but i think more the the features of the actual control will be more important than maybe than the the actual esthetics but yeah yeah but either way i think we have made it fairly close to what yeah okay well i mean yeah i do not see how we could make it any more apart from maybe we cou doing the whole thing in the kinda light shade of blue like the casing but then what color would you make the r s just the the company logo so maybe there is like a set design which we get printed off well but you have got the company logo on there which would effectively be a stick on badge yeah okay so you are in a sense you are comparing the product without the company logo yeah and then y but you have got the space for it to stick it on yeah yeah hey what what what is the company color did you get told what the company color is or i am still not quite sure we have established that no i just we got the logo off the web browser do not think so but but i but in the sense that as you saw with the windows logo badge it does not really matter 0 right there is virtually n the way that you frame you know the windows badge on there it really does not matter what color it is so long as our company is logo is framed w in the same way as that with a like a black outline fact they have got black and white or black and silver so basically even if you had a silver the same color of silver on your display because you have got effectively a double edging on the on the logo it means that it splits off what your logo is from the from the product and that is actually quite a sneaky way of doing it okay huh cause you have got sort of we have got 2 to play with if you really wanted to you could put in another well in this one you have actually got 3 colors of buttons another color or would that be t yeah well we decided that the blue ones were the the standard color okay so you were talking about we are assuming that all the buttons on the 2nd panel the hidden away panel would all be standard yeah yeah which m may or may not be the case yeah shall we save the 2 for profitability then well yeah bu but but was the was there not a button that you were thinking of on the on the other opt you know on the 2nd page as it were that you were thinking of maybe having as a different color i do not think they would really need to be i think if they were just all small round blue buttons it would be fine yeah maybe we have m needs to be an enter button but could just be the same as well maybe for the the one they are going to see all the time we make it look good and fit the kind of idea of what they want and then for the more functional buttons we do not worry too much about that and just have that as like a plus it is hidden away anyway you are not going to see it at the start yeah i mean it is the sort of thing that i mean you want to pick up the controller and just hit a button quickly to change the channel or volume yeah well so if it is dead obvious then that is fine but if you are opening the panel and you are looking and you are tuning then you are paying a bit more attention so it may be sort of different color buttons is not so important alright okay cause you yeah yeah so so we just add that to profitability in effect yeah i mean so we have dropped the cost but right so we are meant to finish up in 5 minutes same sort of function the criteria it is alright kay just made a load of money should not we maybe lose a point on fashion go to a 3 cause we have lost the overall spongy feel cause it does not seem right that it just has not changed at all well but i think we said that w because you got rid of the rubber we put an extra an extra sort of fruit shape on one of the buttons alright le lemon sh did we decide what that was which button it was i think well we could have lemon shaped ones with the volume ones or something on the volume ones right or something like that that is good yeah definitely lemon shaped did did you have to have a rubber case though for rubber buttons or was it the other way around you had to have rubber buttons if you had the rubber case right okay so i think we can we are okay so we are okay this way around yeah so that so we have saved until the design team comes in and says get off but you are the design team then we say it is fine so it is all good saved €2 on that so what bit are we on to can i just check if that is a cherry or an apple did we decide against the apple because of apple mac and did we make it a cherry officially yeah i th i th 0 right right okay just in case we need that 2 for lawsuits and such like 0 drats i have botched that have not i so were we aiming for a certain target on that scale well we are aiming for one for all of them m but it really has to fit into the budget so right i guess we just have to adjust things to get it i in the which is fair enough and we seem to have least something in each criteria yeah we have not completely left anything out so yeah i think most as an overall product which has to be quite cheap we have just about achieved yeah everything yep so do we have anything else to discuss i do not know what is on the agenda right okay what is happened here right okay right okay right so we got we have got the closing so we have done the the finance bit and the excel project and the we have done the redesign so we are now on to project process now satisfaction with for example room for creativity leadership teamwork means et cetera whiteboard digital pens et cetera so we are actually now in a sense on to the evaluation of the course rather than the evaluation of the project is m my understanding of it huh so what did you and remembering that nobody is just over the curtain so finish your meeting now we should just go through this quickly and then huh yeah so i suppose the easiest way of doing it is to put some notes down which i will do okay so i think i have to finish that page 0 right okay so project evaluation so creativity did you feel you got a chance to express yourselves well enough yeah yeah well yeah i thought some of the divisions though between sort of the individual meetings were a bit arbitrary individual meetings how do you mean yeah well we were finding out various things in in you on your own in be in between the meetings and they did not the one meeting did not always follow on for the other one you know sort of we had things thrown in at the 2nd meeting where you know you would looked at the remote controls and seen the curviness but in the 1st one you would also looked at some remote controls and looked at the buttons and i do not understand why it would be in separate meetings that you would do that you know you would sort of you would probably present it at one or something like that the only thing you find is in a manufacturing process you would normally you go to a meeting you decide right you do this you do that you do that yeah then you go away you find out information you then come back you then discuss it you then go and change things around and then go back huh yeah so yeah i suppose and then be going out and finding more information each time and then diff things will be relevant whereas this time you are really getting it from a database source so it is not well anyway yeah yeah so what do you want to put down i have put seemed okay creativity seemed okay flow of information on on any given subject given subject sometimes disjointed yeah i think it maybe could have been a slightly more creative project i mean a remote control is not the most yeah the thing itself kind of fancy thing that you could imagine designing i can not think of a better example at the minute yeah have could have used a different example pel to increase create yeah is this go it kinda kis fits the purpose that it was something everyone knows about and then creativity something we can at least look at and think how we can improve on you have to do it within a set time frame is the other thing so yeah but think like it was a bit restrictive just to say that you have to design a television remote control in a way i mean it depends what sort of business you are in i guess i mean this one seems from the website it looks it is quite innovative but we are coming up with some bucket shop product are not we that is you know 15 quid one of those things like companies can have like a range of products and i th i d i do not know how it works but i guess that something got sent out and have like a brief to kind of but the other thing is that they are i am guessing that they are trying to use this software to to demonstrate how you could do a project i mean m my wife at the moment for instance is acting as a computer for you normally yeah you got a problem so you go to your tutor and find out information to see how to get it fixed so what she is doing is she is having to spend a day at the computer terminal at one end so that any student that comes along can ask whatever question and then you or the idea is that the whichever person is at the other end can point them in the right direction show them where to either give them directly give them help or secondly point them in the right direction either at the library or or or come back or go and see joe bloggs or whatever so and that was a project i suspect similar to this because they they were actually trying to debug the computer software to enable to enable it to work and of course you had the machine crashing and various things going wrong yeah well sh we look at the last slide see if it has got anything else so i think there is 11 more to go alright so we have got yeah i mean if you look at their products on their website here real reaction i mean it is all pretty high tech and cutting edge new ideas found did we find any no and it was quite good with this the white board having that and the digital pens like that is something that made it a little easier alright yeah yeah leadership teamwork we did find a new idea i mean sort of a kinetic remote control i have never seen one of them before batteries i think so voice recognition especially not could does yeah you have got voice recognition computers that is not remote controls yeah yeah well it is a different application of it yeah so it is just like the same products but just put together in a different way okay so how do you reckon teamwork went that went okay yeah yeah i guess we all had separate ideas and then discussed them yeah yeah to go reasonably well okay i do not think sort of the budget allowed us to do anything bit bit arbitrary well i mean i do not think it i just do not think it fitted in with the rest of their products i mean they have got all these sort of you know high definition d v d and portable 7 inch d lightweight computer screens and i am thinking do you know one cheap remote control does not really fit in so we are m we are meant to comment on leadership and the means e g whiteboard digital pens et cetera surely they they should produ well leadership is a bit of a funny one is not it and and new i new ideas found was the the other thing yeah but we can not really all fairly comment on leadership because you are the project manager you were the leader so our experience of leadership was not really as much as yours yeah yeah now i would much rather be in marketing but i certainly did not get this computer to work as well as i would have liked however alright means so whiteboard so really it is equipment 0 yeah it worked yeah very nice comput computers could be a bit difficult at times but but i mean i d i do not i am not sure i see the value in these i mean they record what you are writing and then what do you do with it where do you get the recording do you plug the computer or something i think there is a little there is a little chi so it is not just for us it is for the experiment as a whole so there is a little there is a little chip i think you must plug it into something and it produces a should we quickly look at the last slide sh right i think you watch a video of it kind of i do not know whether it just produces a big image of sort of everything you have written or something and page after page right new ideas found so one or 2 yeah kinetic powered remote control what was the other one voice recognition thing vo yeah and voice was it voice activated voice recognition yeah recognition s almost to fill in these fill in these questionnaires pretty much right so are the costs within budget yes 0 no is the project evaluated yes do not forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary then celebration is that everything i think that we have got 2 questionnaires and a report on the last meeting yeah so we do not re so really i tried to save this the last time at 123 and it did not seem to have saved anywhere mind you the the figure last was was different but it should be poss" ]

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[ "so i will not save that no you have to open up from elsewhere the red exist do you want to replace it as the phone now i actually tried to transfer it to my documents but yeah you have to close that window because that is the save one is not it i will find it i will take a spreadsheet yeah but i will just redo it it is the easiest way well we are a prototype any way i do not have a pretty little it is like the curved on sides it is almost curved up to the main display as well and the little line at the bottom indicates the panel that you pull down and the extra function buttons are below that panel and we have got the stick on the bottom with the company no one we also have an apple slash cherry design at the top so it is yeah cherry will feel right actually yeah it is a bit more fun is not it and it is kind of not related to kind of to kind of you think apple you can computer type of yeah yeah we might get a copy that yeah what is this one that one that is the meat 0 that is the m it might it probably have to be labeled meat because we did not have anything small in it right well the prototype model is hard to get the ham the actual agent on the the original button yeah we just choose simple shapes for all them the important ones are the volume made them a bit bigger the mute could possibly be a bit smaller we separated off in color the volume related buttons from the channel related buttons you have got the volume in orange on the design there and the channel one would be right all these things have cost implications and so when i have done my thing on cost i had assumed that the only button that would be a different color would be the red apple button so however i have no longer figures that i did for that but yeah so there would be a cost implication on that and i suppose that so whether wanted to put in all these colors would be open to debate i suppose well the colors would not be too important but we did not have any wide played or an important consideration right okay so and the 2nd one underneath would be the idea for the yes not the slide away okay so we have got detailed design meeting right so we have got prototype presentation which we will just an evaluation criteria and finance so i guess we have to evaluate if that meets the various aspects that we are looking for from our previous meeting so other than the fact that it does not have the 2nd layer but obviously it would but other than that we have got the red apple we have got the buttons the only thing that has really changed is the coloration of the buttons and the bit after the evaluation criteria is the finance and the cost of location the only snag about this is that the cost is probably kind of important so and then the production evaluation as to how easy that that is would be to manufacture and whether it would so if you had to do a presentation or are you just working on the prototype right so as far as the finance of it would be concerned we would be to make sure that the cost the production cost because i remember that was one of the 1st considerations was to be under 1250 or 25 €125 so there is no redesign so that should right so it seems to me that the thing that i have to do is can we get us on the board just so if you can you right okay we could do as we can go along the production cost right okay the simple chip and the kinetic energy source we have got a single curved case we have got rubber case materials supplements so we had decided that we are having rubber buttons and okay the button supplements well originally i thought there would just be one in there because it was the one red apple but so the real question then would come in do you make all the buttons well we have got one special button form which was the apple everything else is going to be as standard we have got special material rubber wood titanium etc so i was originally i was thinking well rubber was not special but according to this maybe it is so and i mean effectively we have got 16 buttons that we are going to have on there yeah i think you just do one but well i do not know is the sort of answer is that meant to be all 16 buttons and therefore i mean what is the option was maybe not to have rubber buttons but just to have the one that was soft and spongy and therefore i think it is just a one else whereas it would be the special color would be for the so you would only have the one special button that was rubber whereas the rest would be hard plastic i think the button supplements is just a supplement for all the buttons it has been made in a different material i do not know i would every design change is i do not know okay if we just had all the buttons as standard except for the one red apple then that would take care of that i guess we would have one special color and one special button form and when i plugged that in last time you does not remember it has to be under 12 and a half as far as i know that that took care of the various supplements and if i am i am i am just gone off the window it is on the bottom road it is on the bottom road now right okay so but the point would be that if we if we just did special sorry you were saying that it would be that you would put in one there yeah okay so that is 9 one less we have got some so it was no it is 97 i have got okay so that would that will work out fine if assuming your correction or assuming that one change covers all the buttons then that would be fine and there is nothing else as far as i can see that we had planned to put on switching on those on the electronics we have got the sample sensor in the moment we have just got a simple chip which costs one i guess the sample sensor sample speaker would be the voice recognition thing yeah which puts up for 4 we should be slightly over our budget both together or something else that is slightly lower standard we do not know the one of the special 4 batteries that we can have well hold on if we okay that gives us 127 maybe if we go with the maybe one of the special colors kettlew is the same color then we could have the voice but remember that the idea was to keep it the color of the 0 i see so just take out the special color for the apple and yeah yeah and would not you have to keep the simple chip there as well you know how you turn that one in the chip and the sample speak there would be separate things 0 possibly yeah maybe we would be giving them the connecticut and go for battery instead that would give you one less but you reckon that i mean the thing is that you wanted to appeal to people and not have to replace batteries yeah yeah i said this is the whole technology type thing you were saying in the market research to people like kind of interesting gadgets and whether they were figure the sample sensor and the sample speaker always recognition it is over worth while things to have and then the battery is or whatever they would prefer you know what i mean the problem was the batch is running out and losing the yeah losing the remotes you have got to decide which of those is more important but which do you think or which do we think is the more important of the options in a sense of the moment we have got a total which we need to reduce down by one2 at least remember that was a minimum requirement the other option if we are planning on just going for something cheap and cheerful would be to make it and originally we are going to make a simple product shall we evaluate the prototype as we have got it now 1st and then sort of make decisions about what needs to be changed make sense right have a little thing so we have got it is 137 is not it with everything we want on sorry do you want that yeah i just had a presentation to right i do think the voice recognition thing would be more impressive when the fact that it has got no battery okay but remember the main the only reason we were planning on having device recognition was so that you could find the remote if it got lost right okay this is about the evaluation criteria that we use for the prototype we have got here and so the method is that the design team makes a prototype and we evaluate the prototype against some criteria that we have formulated and those ones are going to be in response to sort of market research and also finance i guess and do that on a scale from true being one a false being 7 so if it is neither true or false then that is 4 so i have got a set of criteria just based on the marketing that we need to add in a financial one as well at the end so we have to say whether it is true or false that the product looks and feels for fancy whether the product demonstrates technical innovation whether it is easy to use whether it is incorporating sort of the fashion elements to try to the buyer and whether it is a sort of recognizable real reaction product and i have to go up onto the whiteboard and do this apparently so i will go up here right so the 1st one is does the product look and feel fancy so if you do a sort of one so yeah well we have a single kiv which was yeah yeah heel the product is way okay and and we have the road and we have the rubber kind of spongy tree which we was in at the time yeah i am sorry about it it is really good bit there 2 i think what is one false or is one true i forgot one is true and okay 7 is fault 4 is neutral okay so so maybe about maybe 2 yeah because we have not got the double pair so i probably like go for one yeah we have got almost everything we can okay okay i am going to put that underneath so i have got some more space so false is 7 true is one so i say about 2 the fancy yeah we are not maybe near 3 okay 2 is 3 well it is just that in a sense remember that when you look down we have got solar power we have got various other things you could have and we are not going for these options this is just for like the look does it sort of look fancy rather than functional yeah i suppose that might be in the technical innovation yeah so we go for a 2 on that okay and i mean how much does the product demonstrate technical innovation i suppose we are deciding between the kinetic power or the speech recognition and if we had either of those for our budget they both show the reasonable amount of speech recognition okay so what about the prototype as it is we have got the speech recognition on it have not we but not the kinetic but not the kinetic power no forward that we took that out too yeah we can not for both all right did not know so it does not it is pretty the prototype as it is is not sort of fulfilling the it is maybe about neutral it has got something that it has not got okay well wait a minute in 137 we do have kinetic the problem is we have to reduce down from there to get it down to 125 and one way of doing that would be to take out the kinetic so it is very much dependent on what you do with your options and if you are definitely going for the sample sensor and sample speaker then because the other functions we have got in are more at the special material the rubber wood titanium etc if you go for that that is at the high end because that is 06 whereas down the at just special color is 2 and you are trying to lose one2 so it seems to me that if you are going for the sample sensor speaker you are basically then having to go for the cheaper options on everything else and the simple way to do it would be to have a battery to have your sample sensor speaker and then you are looking to take out 02 2 which would be come from the button supplements category i am just going to check exactly what it said in the email for how much of a difference would it make if we need the case in the past it because we did say that we do not want to follow the fashion too much that might be stringent enough and interface type well plastic rather than rubber okay that would make the same a difference you could either you could have it if you have that in plastic rather than rubber then that would enable you to get you could keep kinetic then you could keep your sample sensor you were looking to take out 2 so you could fiddle that down your special form at the bottom or your special color at the bottom and that would enable you to do it to do it okay so we make it slightly more fancy then we lose points of innovation if you make it more innovative then we need points of being fancies i just read the email again and it sort of says evaluate the design as it is i think so i think we need to think about finance after we have sort of evaluated that design i do not know whether we have done it in the wrong order or something so no well okay but i suppose it is rubber as it is is not it it is rubber as it is yes so i mean does this need to go up a bit or something because we have got both the both the we have got 137 and we have got it in at the moment and if and basically we are going to reduce down from that but the current one you would say would be fancy would be 2 yeah for innovation so we have got the speech thing and i would have said about a 2 as well yeah i would have a 2 okay 2 and the next one is i will have to get it back up now the next one well i can just sing about easy to use i would have said yes i would go for a one on that at this point in time yeah okay yeah i would use it as well and incorporate cellarer incorporates elements of fashion to attract buyer well it certainly has some yeah i would have some yeah yeah yeah yeah about 3 maybe i do not know yeah it is doing quite well yep yeah i would have to do some of these but the moment as it stands is yeah i would have said 2 it seemed reasonable the product is a recognizable real reaction product this is in the sense of using all of its products all of its back and it has got a big label on the bottom saying that comes from so this is about sort of the corporate image of like new sort of sleek technology and that sort of thing as well as having the logo on and all that so it sort of a recognizable product does it fit in with other products which are sort of copy makers and space craft i also got the same speech as the cup machine so it is kind of a spongy rogueriness maybe the more kind of comfortable for them kind of sleek and new light it depends on which why you look for it okay so we are going for a 23 well the logo would be more recognizable for recognizable on the actual thing it is just that the pen would not really write on that picture but yeah i think the logo would definitely be recognizable and it does have attributes that other to be 25 go for it right okay 23 2 right one that is that decided right so right so we are now on to changing it to get it to fit in with the budget requirements requirements and then yeah what all in the numbers mean then do we add them up and rate the cell or anything yeah i think we said of add them up so sort of an average is going to be about a 222 so yeah pretty close to 2 so yeah i mean it is pretty good at the moment but it is going to get worse is not it but we could try and make sure it does not get too bad so we are to get definite was it a 137 it was a definite price for all of the 3 side that it has yes yeah so you can lose one2 and still meet the requirements do you want to get into your so it can get up there okay i put it back on i guess this is the last stage which is so that the finance is probably i am not sure i will probably have to review it yes i would have thought so yeah well maybe just can okay so what was it control f 8 was not it 00 how kind right okay so you can see there that the if you want to keep kinetic right you have got a choice there or going down to battery which would save you one you have got the sample sensor and sample speaker which is your big item well actually we just have a plastic case and we lose 2 that is right which gets you like within the budget range yes yeah i think that would be fine because that was just a trend but we do have other buttons anyway so it is 11 to 17 and then we can make sure we definitely had all the bathroom supplements all right different colors yeah yeah i was thinking that because maybe maybe the sort of rubber case is a bit less in sort of the corporate identity than a sleeker plastic case okay so we are going for plastic yes we lose a little bit on the fashion yeah but yep and now we know but yeah that is within the budget do we actually have we just have one special forms down here well there was debate as to how you would count them you got special color well originally i was assuming we had the red apple and therefore that was the special color yeah we have got enough another yeah we have got no point left well we have got special form now that would be one button and the question was was all buttons or is that just one button because our plan really was to have one button only with the special so so no matter how you look at that that would be the same the other thing would then be special material rubber wood titanium i think maybe the special color we have got 3 now just because the volume ones are different i guess we have the ones which are blue at the moment all right so special color you want 3 in there yeah i think we should be yeah it is probably fine for the time okay you just need 2 for special color because it is just 2 supplements you know one original color and then 2 supplements i think maybe that makes sense okay okay i mean these these are molded the one color is going to be molded out of a piece of rubber okay yeah i would agree with that i think so special colors 2 we have got special form is the one apple the rest they are all standard although you could argue that should maybe you were making these buttons down the bottom i was presuming bigger than the other ones or were you was that the idea yeah volume one maybe that would be a 2nd step yeah it is a 2nd special phone huh i would have thought that is probably about wow wow okay is that right 122 so we are still yep that makes sense i would say we have lost a little bit under fashion and lost a bit on the fancy kind of yeah i would i said so so you maybe put fashion at 3 rather than 2 well it definitely fits the real product poster what is the real reaction i am not quite sure what does that mean it still seems to definitely fit that so that is like if that is a new age kind of innovative company then having the connected feature and the voice recognition yep so if we have put in for another special form on a button then maybe they could be a different shape like we have got a cherry one maybe the other ones could be something else shaped something else shaped i do not know that would be possible you mean no as soon as it is cheaper to make them a different as soon as we have got you know we have made it a special form so and that would sort of maybe keep us close on the sort of the fashion type one and it would sort of keep it quite fancy as well i do not know you could argue you might do it once a year you would change because at the moment you are making it a red apple so next year you could make next year is model model the same but have it as a yeah yeah whatever a lemon yeah a lemon lemon or something yeah i mean the model inputs can be lemons or something maybe no okay so what have we got rid of we got rid of the plastic yeah the main thing we have changed really is the casing is not it i think we have saved quite a bit because we have just got the push burn the interface which is my father too yeah it is maybe in the sense not having that maybe we have lost something in the innovation side and suppose that it is like the most standard type of battery so i mean we have got rid of the rubber case but we have now sort of got an extra form and an extra color for the buttons so maybe in terms of sort of fanciness and fashionability we are pretty much the same maybe so maybe put 2 again and then and everything else has stayed pretty much the same well ease has certainly stayed yeah because if anything the special forms makes it slightly easier to yeah yeah and what about the sort of innovation well we still got the kinetic energy okay and the speech feature and then corporate identity i think we have kind of just about the same how it would play out whether that is considered to be sort of part of the corporate identity i do not know it is maybe not i think more the features of the actual control will be more important than maybe than the actual seconds but either way i think we have made it fairly close to what yeah okay but i mean how it would make it any more apart from maybe doing the whole thing in the kind of lightshare of the face but then what color would you make it on is that just the maybe there is like a set design which well but you have got the company logo on there which would effectively be a stick on badge so you are in a sense you are comparing the product without the company logo and then but you have got the space for it to stick it on what is the company color did you get told that the company color is i do not think so but in the sense that as you saw with the windows logo badge it does not really matter there is virtually the way that you frame the windows badge on there it really does not matter what color it is so long as our company is logo is framed in the same way that with like a black outline in fact they have got black and white or black and silver so basically even if you had a silver the same color of silver on your display because you have got effectively a double edging on the logo it means that it splits off what your logo is from the product and that is actually quite a sneaky way of doing it because you have got sort of you have got point to play with if you really wanted to you could put in another another color well in this one you have actually got 3 colors of buttons we decided that the blue ones were the standard color okay so you were talking about we are assuming that all the buttons on the 2nd panel the hidden away on would all be standard yeah which may or may not be the case should we save the 2 for profitability then well yeah but was it not a button you were thinking of on the on the other option you know on the 2nd page as it were that you were thinking of maybe having as a different color i do not think it would be a really i think if we would just more small round blue button but it could be the end the button but that could just be seen as well maybe for the one they are going to see all the time we make a look good and fit the kind of idea of what they want and then for the more functional better it does not know what it is much about it just have that is like because it is hidden away anyway in the video and stuff yeah and it is a sort of thing that i mean you want to pick up the controller and just hit a button quickly to change a channel or volume so if it is dead obvious then that is fine but if you are opening the panel and you are looking and you are tuning then you are paying a bit more attention so maybe sort of different color buttons is not so important all right okay yeah yeah so we just add that to profitability in effect yeah i mean so we are going to drop the cost right so we are meant to finish up in 5 minutes same sort of function yeah quite a theory it is all right i just made a lot of money yeah it does not seem right that it just has not changed at all well i think we said that because we got rid of the rubber we put an extra sort of root shape on one of the buttons 0 do you decide what that was the button it was well we could have lemon shaped ones for the volume ones or something i do not know that idea that is good yeah definitely lemon shaped did you have to have a rubber case though for rubber buttons or was it the way around he had a rubber and had a rubber case right so we are okay this way around yeah until the design team comes in and says get off but you are the design team let me say it is fine okay so you are going to get that so what so what are you on to i can just check if that is a cherry or an apple we would decide against the apple because of apple math and the religious cherry official 0 right okay just in case we get that 2 for losses 0 rats have botched that over there so will we aim and focus on target on that scale well we aim for one for all of them but it really has to fit into the budget so i guess we just have to adjust things to get it in there which is fairly and we seem to madly some from each criteria yeah we have not could have anything out so yeah i think as an overall product which has to be quite cheap yeah yeah yep so do we have anything on the picture i do not know what is on the agenda all right okay right okay so we have got so we have done the finance bit and the excel project we have done the redesign so we are now on to project process satisfaction with for example room for creativity leadership teamwork means etc whiteboard digital accessible so we are actually now in a sense onto the evaluation of the course rather than the evaluation of the project is my understanding of it so what did you and remembering that nobody is just over the curtain so so i suppose the easiest way of doing it is to put some notes down which i will do so i think i have to finish that page okay so i am going to do project devaluation so creativity do you feel you have got a chance to express yourselves well enough i have got some of the divisions there between sort of the individual meetings were bit arbitrary individual meetings how do you mean yeah well we were finding out various things in your on your own in between the meetings they did not the one meeting did not always follow on for the other one you know sort of things thrown in the 2nd meeting where you know you would looked at the remote controls and seen the coveness point in the 1st one you would also looked at some remote controls and looked at the buttons and i do not understand why it would be in separate meetings but you would do that you know you would sort of you would probably present it at one or something like that well the only thing you find is in a manufacturing process you would normally you go to a meeting you say right you do this you do that you do that then you go away you find out information you then come back you then discuss it you then go and change things around and then go back so it is visiting the real world you would be going out or finding more information it is time whereas this time you are really getting from a database source so it is not yeah anyway so what do you want to put down want to put down i have put seemed okay creativity seemed okay and flow of information on on any given subject sometimes disjointed yeah i think it may have been i mean a remote control is not the most yeah the thing is i can not think of a better example i could have used a different example to increase yeah creativity you have to do it within a set time frame as the other thing so yeah but i always think it is a bit restrictive just to say that you have to design a television remote control it depends what sort of business you are in i guess i mean this one seems to be one when the website it looks it is quite innovative but we are coming out with some bucket shop product on finance you know that is just one of the things like 15 quid i do not know how it works but i guess it is just to have like a set out and they will have like a out and they would have like a piece to kind of but the other thing is that i mean they are i am guessing that they are trying to use this software to demonstrate how you could do a project i mean my wife at the moment for instance is acting as a computer for for normally you have got a problem so you go to your tutor and find out if you are a problem information to see how to get it fixed so what she is doing is she is having to spend a day at the computer terminal at one end so that any student that comes along can ask whatever question and then you are the idea is that the whichever persons at the other end can point them in the right direction show them where to either give them directly give them help or secondly point them in the right direction either at the library or come back or go and see job logs or whatever so and that was a project i suspect similar to this because they were actually trying to debug the computer software to enable it to work and of course you had machine crashing and various things going from so so all right so we have got yeah i mean if you look at their products on their website here real reaction when it is all pretty high tech cutting edge new ideas found did we find any no it is quite good with this the whiteboard having the digital pens i see it right leadership teamwork so we did find a new idea i mean sort of a kinetic remote control we have never seen one of them before they are all batteries i think voice recognition especially not one yeah you have got voice recognition computers that is not remote controls yeah okay it is like the same products but together so how do you reckon teamwork went okay yeah yeah i guess we all had set idea yeah yeah yeah to go reasonably well okay i do not think the budget allowed us to do anything but arbitry i mean i do not think it i just do not think it fitted in with the rest of their products i mean i have got all these sort of of you know high definition dvd portable 7 inch lightweight computer screen i think in one cheap remote control does not really do so we are meant to comment on leadership and it means e g whiteboard digital pens etc and new ideas found was the other thing yeah well we can not really all fail to comment on leadership because you were the project manager you would do so our experience in leadership was not really as much as yours now i am much more being marketed but i certainly did not get this computer to work as well as i would have liked however all right so whiteboard so really it is equipment it worked yeah very nice computers could be a bit difficult at times i mean i do not i am not sure i see the value in these i mean they record what you are writing and then what do with it where do you get the recording do you plug in the computer or something there is a little there is not just for us it is about it is a whole thing there is a little chip i think you must plug it into something and it produces a i do not know whether it just produces a big image of everything you have written or something like you have to pay new ideas found so one or 2 yeah kinetic powered remote control what was the one voice yeah yeah i am like powered and and voice there is a voice activated voice recognition recognition recognition are the cost of yes is the project evaluated do not forget to complete final question meaning summary then celebration i think we have got 2 questionnaires and a report on the last meeting so we do not really i tried to save this the last time at 123 and it 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that that is that is quite a quick way to just to get into how how works because i can just quickly generate quickly generate a web page and then just add and take yeah add things to and take things away and do not see exactly what is going on at the time so wh why does it help that it is x t h t m l instead of just x m l 0 well just cause x h t m l has a nice you know you got browsers there so you can actually see you can actually see directly what is what is going on yeah but most m most browsers when when you put an x m l file up in it it will just apply some default style sheet to it anyway that shows you yeah well i will i am using x h t m l to deter that is all all the web pages are x h t m l so it is x m l just with the h t m l d t d okay yeah yeah ju ju ju just ba just cause we have not we have not f have not quite finalized the the g d f format so just just well just okay so all you are going to have to do is swap in tag names later yeah yeah so all have to do is just change 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d f format huh yeah so as a well i mean there is 22 cases in here right there is things you can get straight off the original format and then there is things you have to do some kind of post processing of the original format but it is not just a data format change it is actually some kind of computational process to get the thing out of it as well right yeah yeah and it was not y i think it was a little bit confused last time we spoke about whether u whether you consider g d f format to be the thing that is just the straight forward translations of what is in the original eye tracking output or whether like whether the post processing utilities are a separate step cause i think you and i had separate different views on this but i can not remember w who had which view at this point yeah well the so y are you working actively on this anal these analysis things or you just working on the translation so the data format translation well i am i am i am ju try i am making sure that the g d f format we have got at the moment will d will output say well i have output old analysis that that robin is looking for so so i am using that as a way to to get into ha ha using the dom things as well so yeah so at the moment i am looking at act actually the g d f format itself and then to generate the g d f format i am going to be taking stuff out of the gest analyser and then using a dom parser to generate x m l output from the gest analyser 0 okay so you have not looked at what is in there and what is not in there that you need to do some really intensive transform to do no not yet 0 okay no but i will when and out of the output of the gest analyser does does do some of the processing already which is what i will m plan to use that as the basis for it cause that already that already picks up like target regions things like that yeah so you get so so it knows whether you are looking at a part or whether you are looking at target area or what or whatever huh so yes as long as it got that in it somewhere so it is just a matter of pulling that out and put that into the into the g d f stuff okay so this sounds like it is under control and you are happy and you guys are telling each other what you guys need to know so i do not need to do anything right nope do not think so you are all fine but there was a number of things that came before this right that it sounds like they are not under control yet so so you know the g d f stuff with so i ellen is view on this is we go through everything in order like the priority is exactly the pipe line order right yep so camtasia you mentioned yeah bu and i am not sure what else but we should check what other things were before this on the list of things to do yeah yeah i i think the 0 the only thing i have got left to do before the experiments can be run is get s is get the check camtasia works now i have got camtasia running on machines and i think they are set up correctly but i can not test it until we get the microphones working until you get the 0 microphones microphones cause it is batteries we are waiting for the they are they are due i i was told the beginning of this week batteries okay are they really really strange batteries th they are quite strange it is w r a avril has ordered them from somewhere possibly have you tried maplin are they expensive n no they are probably 150 each or something like that cause you know like a wee bus journey over to maplin might solve the problem if it is getting in the way well hopefully the they should have been here last week but caroline then phoned up to chase them and they they were s they were told to be here should be today so this is not actually ruining your schedule for anything and that is why you are waiting r b well we can still test whether camtasia runs anyway it is just the whether it is the microphones are picking up things correctly that we need to check right okay it is i so it sounds like you are not actually worried about the fact that this is the m yeah not yet no when you get worried go to maplin okay right phone them 1st to make sure that they are in there somebody around must have a probably steve somebody in the techie group will have a maplin catalog right 0 fact i will see if i can yeah it is useful to know who has got a current one anyway i do not seem to get them anymore i guess i do not buy enough equipment ah well he must some these days anyway is not it so so 0 yeah of course duh so you can find out whether they have it virtual but you would have to phone over to find out if they have it in stock down there yep i actually live not that far from there so it would be a half hour diversion from my morning routine to pick up stuff right w but then again it is also very close to haymarket so it is even less of a diversion for you probably but what we are yeah so we all got off easy except you do not know your way around yeah ah well ca i can easy i can easy get to mapl to maplin i know where it is off i used to live there ah yeah so i know i know where i used to live here 0 yeah c yeah i i i am a geek i know where i know where maplin is yeah i just think well you know for the sake of 3 quid or however many quid it how many batteries does this thing take does not take a 100 it no it is 2 batteries we need yeah then you know put your mind at rest cause you know you would not want it to be the morning you were supposed to be recording and then suddenly discover yeah no no yeah no you know this yes well i suppose i could gi i could give you a call on the way in tomorrow and if th not bi it is not been in your in your f pigeon hole i can easy go off the train and early and just pick em up from there fair fair enough if you want check they got em 1st though their stocks are a bit funny down there right yeah well i will make sure i make a i will make sure of i got the f the phone number in my phone so i can call them cause you know it is not that attractive an area to walk through if you are not going to get anything out of it all true true it is dalry road is not it so of all the things that were on the wiki do i need to pull up the wiki ah it is going to let me log in it is still probably even that angle no i do not want to change my password but you guys probably know off the top of your head is there anything else that we we we were waiting on before you could run can not remember the wiki d so all those tasks craig had when it started the only thing that well the thing that is holding s me slightly up is checking whether joe is f finished that there i there is a working model builder but i am not sure if it is the finished finished version yet and the the ninth his last day was the 31st of october yeah he still had n hours left i was not sure if it was down to the number of hours or whether 31st of october f certainly he right yeah no no it is ours yeah it is ours 0 so he has got ours left i think he is had something like 7 he is behind hand but no he was billing for he was billing by the hour so i thought well i mean obviously if he wants to finish off then you know but n i have n ni nijmegen has gone dead for all those last 2 weeks 0 well they are probably away then well it w e e ellen is away was not ellen away they are really at the same place n no but i think what they had was some big review 0 yeah it could be it a and so i have not heard anything back from them so the models for 0 you have no models at all 0 that is a pity model buil builder that is what i was calling the graphical model editor right yes huh so you use x fig to make the parts and then you this thing well no well we do not need to make the the parts are all the standard tangram ones i had before anyway the x fig thing is only when we come to building airplanes and new peculiar shapes 0 okay but for this experiment it is just the tangram type task yep okay i have something in my email about from joe yep he would not have sent it just to me would he do you want me to check that yeah if you got right i am not going to project my email how r f how recently that nothing i have not i heard anything from joe for a a week or so anyway i t i would say you do not be so okay i think i mighta heard thursday or something i can not remember exactly when it was yeah that is that is newer than the it is the last thing was in sp response to the thing i was saying last week about the parallelogram being the wrong way around and w from the model builder to the actual yeah yeah yeah screen shots yeah yeah that nothing has i have not heard anything since from either sort of the netherlands or from you okay so i have got something on the 28th 0 that is friday i think 0 he just wants to know how to get paid yep right that suggests he is done done done anyway he is in edinburgh so well i suppose he will not come by cause craig is on his desk 0 is he back 0 is he yeah 0 no right okay so well i am i am using dice machines if he wants to pop in for 5 minutes the the windows machine is free for him at the moment well he is just not going to try to le squat there that is all well i so the last thing i have got from him about work work was the 19th of october that said he uploaded some changes that you wanted that is 0 so you did not get that it was me and him but presumably the he put it on the wiki so so he is just telling us cause he things we probably do not read wikis and i will just check yeah it was after it was after that that there was the thing about w w why the parallelogram was the was a mirror image yeah yeah i mean i considering we get an email from the i think it got sent through saying that he would updated the the whatever it was on the wiki so you do he would he would uploaded a ne a new zip file and overwritten the old one yeah so well i i have not replied to him about yeah i really do not have anything more more recent from him s i have not replied to him about you know how to submit costs and stuff like that so but that suggests he is at at the end of things but w we could just ask him i mean maybe you guys would just want to ask him directly you are done done right cause it is worth you guys knowing and then of course any problems that remain you inherit right you know it is worth taking a look at what it does and making sure it does what you want i guess yep so th the problem is you want you wanted to construct some models in it for your experiment but you were hoping to get some from marloes yes yes or at l least she was meant to have have some idea of the level of complexity cause they d they d have actually run things and to get an idea of the sort of style and to check that they would be alright ah yeah yeah but all very quiet right have you you tried cold calling her that is what i do when i need things that yeah no it has just been email rather than f f the telephone type of request ach try phone but when i if you get em today when are you going to start running i am down for a week what is the 7th is a w a week today i think 0 right next week so you have to be you have to be ready by then well i have not booked anybody in or anything yeah or re change the schedule but that is when i am hoping right okay we have been of course put back a bit by the eye tracker going down huh yeah makes sense subjects you are going to have d yep but we are we are needing we are certainly needing some data in the bag by the 1st of december i think yeah so s y y you do not have subjects lined up but you do not expect any trouble getting them no hopefully not the only other slight complication is which will be b i think brought up at the meeting on thursday for all the eye tracking users yeah the lab has been block booked again by jules from psychology i do not know this person so they well they need to be serious about it have di who who is their is that a staff member or a student yep okay well we kinda paid for the lab so it depends but i suppose talking to them sometimes solves these problems you might it depends on what sort of staff member is it is it a lecturer right i mean presumably he or she is not running subjects the entire well presumably not but it is sort of quite solidly booked for f certainly w what 6 days from 10 till 5 for 2 or 3 of those days block book for how long huh huh so ellen is still out of town right it is just y you could try calling this person and see how this works ellen might be more persuasive it is just sometimes academic staff have a bit of a chip about research staff and since i do not know the person i can not tell whether it is one of those or not i would not i no i can probably at least email her and ask her if she is really needing it all that time yeah and then escalate i guess but you know or whether they can be put off for a little bit or something so i have no idea how the booking system works well you are discussing it on thursday right i i well yeah at the m yep at the moment there is just a booking system yeah when people just if they can log on to it can book it yep well that is that is one to raise at the meeting i v might talk to ellen about that ahead of time cause they may have she and martin may have had discussions about appropriate use of the lab i th in theory jast is meant to have it every morning 0 really yeah but i g do not you guys set up for is not block booking more appropriate because i i is not there set up involved in changing around for somebody else but it there should not be any changes in the physical connections or or anything no or in the software or anything no okay so there is no cost associated with it being mornings or afternoons no that as long as p other people do not for some reason i do not know disconnect some bits of the equipment there is no reason why they should yeah it is just the s so in the worst case you may be able to make an argument if you actually need that week that you can collect in the mornings that week is this something that is known outside ellen is head yes it is it is on the p it is not on the booking system it is on the w booking system it is on a web page that frank created about the lab 0 well that is something which i do not know if anybody actually knows is there huh well most the time to to p yeah yeah so it sounds like you have got a lot of possible ways of getting what time you need of course try to be kind to other people but you would anyway yep so so those are the only things that are worrying you camtasia and lab access and otherwise no sweat you are happy should should be i have also got to get camtasia we well yes the m the model builder 0 and the model builders yeah i have got to get camtasia working as a sort of little multi media thing to generate a video of how to mi sort of a an instructional video 0 yeah h huh yeah these this is going to take a little while it is what i will have to do this week yeah well when the whole thing was if it was going to run a trial that will give you some some screen shots to work with and then it will just be a matter of adding new video f mouse movements or whatever so yeah but you were going to try and figure out how to overlay something on top of the video that or no u you were just g really going to run a video of the sep of the trial yep yeah yeah okay that is that is much easier so with the model builder what do you need to do with it th the which one you is going to look at what it does so far and you will just t try out do that i will i will do that yeah and just yeah yeah have a look if you th anything prob any problems with it think there is a wiki page up for that f for that piece of for yeah for that thing so if if you just put just put whatever recommendations bugs on that page and i will work through them read em as and when i can have a look at hopef hopefully there is not a p a problem yeah but they said marloes was also meant to be checking it and doing things and quiet yeah huh yeah yeah how many models were you relying on her for i have i it has not been divided up in that sort of way so are you suddenly going to be well what i am trying to get at is is your start time going to be delayed cause you do not have the models ready if she does not come through but depends how quickly i manage to get a grip of it how long it takes me to generate them or how i get on with the camtasia huh yeah well yeah un unsure of yet can you draft craig in to build some if necessary and like these yeah i mean i have used the software and there is not that hard i mean it it should not the there should not be any great problems just checking that the they are of a suitable level of complexity or or of whatever yeah yeah well you know me contingency planning and all this i always worry about the worst yeah yeah no quite quite right if yeah so yeah yeah so well i can not imagine the building the building the mold is going to be that hard i mean i can easily just well however many 1000s are on that dutch web site you found just you know pick pick some of them redo them in in the ja in the j c d format that is yeah it is pretty mechanical i can easily d easily do that so but it is a matter of choosing which ones you need to do yeah which i guess you have to do well i was hoping for some feedback from yeah well yeah yeah well you need to you you and marloes need to sort out yeah yeah exactly you can call a jast telcon between you and marloes you know i if it is not that see you know with the cold calling you can usually at least find out whether they are alive and get an an offer to to get something yes but you know the next the next escalation is saying no we really need to talk about this we are going to talk about it you know tuesday at such such a time unless you yep book a time and i think so right well i will try and get ahold of her again today and see what but presumably whatever it is they have been going through is now over i think it it was up till the end of october so presumably today they are now free again yeah or taking a week off to recover i d yes i would just hate for that to c to slow you up in collecting stuff that is all well hopefully it it will not anyway it is just if i then do it i hopefully will get the right models obvious yeah okay that is true that is that is the pro so it will be generated well that sounds it is whether the models are optimal or not that i think that is right that is quite a small thing she can do for you i guess you know it is not like you know w sitting there brain deadly constructing you know some models that she needs to do it is just to provide advice about this which must take take less time yep well that all sounds fine you guys worried about it you worried about anything we have mostly been talking about the experiment schedule so i do not think do not think so i mean so the the major thing i have got to d got to do is get this camtasia sorted out so just waiting for the batteries for that if robin is not worried i am not worried you are going to run out of things to f do that we have not set you up for any time soon p the g d f sounds like it might take a wee while yeah yeah cause i will go got to finalize that format and then once that is done i have got to start looking at the analysis side of it well so it was the whole all the dynamic region part of it that is and that is yeah yeah but you do not need anything from me for that cause that is already sorta speced i mean again that is the pair of you yeah yeah i think yeah no the the analysis i think the analysis will take a little while i do not think it is going to take that long to get its stuff sorted out it is going to be how to display it and all that sort of stuff whatever makes it easiest for you to do yeah but once w it is just what i am worrying it w worried about is him being in the lab all day long and you not being sure like what to do for the analysis on or something cause you are going to be completely unavailable when you are recording or will there be times when you do not record all day n no well it depends how how many i can book in and get get running huh yeah and before my brain melts it but w when when the experiment is running yeah it is i will be in the lab yeah i can not just go in let them get start and then come back cause he might 0 yeah no no no i understand that it is so some people can but it was it was more like 0 it was more like you know you so this week he has got you know the g d f stuff to do then next week you are planning on recording and what happens if suddenly you are unavailable all of next week just when he runs out of work th they will certainly be time because i am right next to the lab anyway i will come back just to check my email and things anyway so yeah yeah so so we will worry about it then yeah yeah yeah so i still got to work on the gest analyzer and turn that into the t into a g d f outputter and 0 yeah and i will i can have a look at the model builder as well yeah cause one thing i am thinking about is w we are looking at the the part building pa type stuff yeah and it might worth seeing if we can add a little part builder thing into the model builder just just the ju i just got to tidy tidy up some the code for generating the parts anyway the j c t parts from from s v g s what i do do not know is we want to bother with a part builder i mean the idea was it was not worth the investment right yeah yeah yeah but i will want to have a qui have a quick look and see see how easy it is to add this things to it cause if if i can use it to generate the rotsym angle for example and the rotation symmetry stuff for it yeah yeah yeah which is what was causing the bugs before or do y so if i if i can use the model builder to automatically do that then that would sa that would save quite a bit of work and it will d save a few bugs m yeah but now now that the guy building these models know that they need to do the rotsym some stuff so do they have do you have trouble doing it no no so no it is it is just something you got to remember once the part has been built so yeah well g i mean we might want to severely cash limit the investment that you put into making a part builder right yeah yeah well i am not not not pl not planning do much on that so how how many person days would it be worth like if craig discovered it could be done in x days it is just i would not bother more than one or 2 certainly right so there is your limit do not spend more than a day or 2 on it yeah yeah cause it really is not worth it i mean i have i have already i have already got this yeah you you have to understand there is things about this project we have hidden from you so far that you will have to learn about yeah other i saw saw saw saw something about map task like little further down my task list so it is it is not like you are out of work 0 really 0 that one will just be a little add on that will whatever it is it will be the same skills as you have learned for something else right and it will just be i am not even sure that is you cause i think somebody else is doing that actually but i am thinking more of the fact that at some point we should probably tell you about this n x t stuff right so yeah well that that is that is just x m l to x m l to x m l is not it w turning g d f and what other bits into n x t 0 yeah yeah yeah but you know there is x m l and x m l and you know yeah yeah it takes stand off links and stuff and it is some some people if they are not used to linguistic annotation c it c take a little time to get their head around the way the do data data model works right right and you know there is stuff to learn there yeah cause that is the yeah 0 other than you have from what i have heard about it is both x m l so so the the programming side of it does not sound too hard it is going to be making sure that it fits what you expect out of the format yeah yeah so but no that is that is fine yep so i will d i will have try to find i will i will have plen plenty of plenty of questions for you once i once i get to the last stage i am sure yeah so just do not witter away you know weeks on fripperies when we have got the real me meat of this yet to come yeah we will find we will find plenty of really really crucial s things for you to do yeah i do not think you will be twiddling your thumbs no so yeah we will yeah well the we are going to get camtasia sorted out this week and then it is concentrate on the on the gest analyzer the g d f stuff and then yeah once once we have done that it is whatever whatever you whate whatever you whatever you want me do once i done the once i have done the g d f i guess okay so i will remind myself to look at what is next before the next time we get together yep yeah so i think the g d f will keep me busy for a little while yet so yeah well that is yeah certainly keep me busy until this time next week when we can start suggesting things that might might need to look at for the next stage i guess yeah so you collect on monday that means you do not want to meet right well at 120 clock next monday the lab is technically booked by jules 0 r right it is actually next week it is actually the week that you were planning on it it starts the on we this wednesday and goes through to next wednesday 0 okay well i do not know anyway you will tell me whether it we cancel this or whether i just talk to craig in which case we will not be up here cause we do not record 2s yep okay what else yeah my then other complication is 2 weeks tomorrow i start my teaching 0 yeah that should be fun let us see that is like the for i have got 2 weeks of that fo 4 lectures and 4 labs yeah that comes at an ideal time for you then yes that is like the 20th or something i can not add what is tomorrow is the f tomorrow the f 1st monday is the for the 1st yeah so it will be the 15th for 2 weeks yeah yeah actually yeah that reminds me i wo wo i wo i will not be on thursday i am going to be over in my induction day 0 you have got your induction that is right so so 0 yeah you have to promise to tell us how that is cause people do ask me fair enough fair enough i mean i do not it is meant to be that in depth yes from a total waste of time to you know it is yeah on a scale of one to 7 yes yes i mean i d i do not expect to be that in depth i mean it is 15 minutes on a variety of different topics so it is just it is it is yeah yes it is i am sure most of it i already know it is like fire safety yeah health safety data protection usual sort of stuff you get everywhere so it is probably the university will cover itself legally i think by doing this yeah you would be surpri these things do yeah well if they were going to do that then they would force you to go to it yeah no i suppose rather than being nobody is bothered so far is it i would and i would know somebody who had gone to know you know i am pretty sure they did not have induction in my day yeah so well i do not remember being asked for an induction so really but you only started here in april they were supposed to i am sure yeah i mean i can remo i got invited to a a a a summer garden party for new staff members but that was but that is all 0 well yeah i can remember when i start being a saint when i was sta starting being a student i mean ha we had the inductions were compulsory because a lot of students were doing te were doing teaching and you could not do the teaching unless you done the induction because you had to know about health and safety and fire safety before you could take a charge of yeah 0 yeah cause you were the responsible person in the in the class room so so but yeah i am not sure i am not sure why the why why i am doing it now yep but okay so see how it go i will i will give you my report on friday or something i have one n x t question which hopefully will not be well it is not one okay just hopefully as part of the output it will be something like that is that correct so you have got the gaze position of the 1st person gaze position of the 2nd mouse position of the 1st mouse position of the 2nd and i do not know a common mouse action there or something yeah does that t just in in sort of layers like that seems reasonable so it will be like in monitor but yeah they will all be different tiers like that yeah yep and then there is the language stuff as well presumably yes huh m that is that is just the the eye movement other sort of stuff yeah yeah this is the easy stuff yeah well eyes and mouse eyes and mice huh and that is enough for you right i mean that is just the way you want it it ho hopefu hopefully that is yeah i guess it is that is why i dre course there are lot lots of things that can do that but it is the language part that is the hard part as well yeah yeah yeah so i was just yeah i was just checking that i know the language part because they say l p here but this would be the the the new part yeah that is new stuff that seems fine yeah yeah do you know what the the sets of codes are well the whatev whatever whatever you are getting out of the jast analyser so yeah whatever that is i mean blinks as well right yes i am not sure whether we need to know exactly where they are just how many there are in each tra p i do not know 0 so you do not want a pa part of this data i suppose it could go in aye but i mean i suppose it we are as well to have it if we can i think you i think you should well there is 2 views on this if you do then the people formulating research questions will ask about them right but if you do not they will probably ask about them anyway and then you will have to add em after the fact so it is probably easier just to s shove em in well just say stick em in anyway you can stick em in a different track and and then load em or not load em as you please yeah cause it is not well i do not know with is it is it part of so th these are mutually exclusive and exhaustive sets of codes against time right is not blink a part of this blink would at the moment just get lumped in with the sort of previous gaze yeah but but is not that important because when they are blinking basically it is like an a nil code you c can not find out what they are doing otherwise the way they are looking so it may actually be important to have the blinks registered in there because you may discover you need to take them into account to smooth some kind of analysis that you are doing so it could be that if they only they had not had a blink just then they would have been i do not know what m yes moving somewhere else or is more likely to be i am thinking more blinking at the same time as the other person was doing something i think to that you want to know about yeah 0 i hope n not to much relies on missing stuff cause people blink i was thinking more like you know the person looks a p a part and they have got a fixation before and after and there is blink in the middle and you know there may be times when you want to treat that as one thing right yes norman normally would be just as i say like add the blink time and duration to the previous fixation 0 right okay so but in that case cause you are not absorbing any new information and that is what the critical sort of deciding factor is right huh in that case then these tiers are already like blink corrected yes so that they will include the and then you would not have blinks as part of this you would want blinks as a separate tier if you are going to have it in so i i yeah would ha it would be as a separate tier where just to mark yeah the actual position yeah so the key thing is he here is mutually exclusive and exhaustive and the 2nd key thing is it better be really clear to the people who are dealing with these codes w yeah what is included and what is n yeah whether any monkey business has been done around the blinks to correct for that cause you know it would not necessarily be obvious looking at that set of codes that no not certainly l not looking at codes no yeah i suppose if you know about eye trackers then you will just know but huh okay know what to look for and what not to yeah so so that mean you need the blink corrections part of the analysis then it i think you are just saying it comes out of the eye tracker already right i there are well they are already identified as blinks they are already blink corrected then it is i it is at th at what stage the software that i have used p pools the blinks so will add it on i am not sure what the default right so tha tha that is that is for the rest of the stuff that comes the eye tracker is not the analyzer software that comes the eye tracker yes yeah so i am not su i certainly it is listed as a separate event in the stream blinks are a tag from the e d f and and that sort of thing right it is registered as a a detection right okay well i i if if you want if you want the blinks mer merged into a fixation but it might worth making making a cr part of the requirement for the g d f stuff so to remind me so to to just add that analysis to yeah to to it so it is i mean it is easy enough to do just che just checking the times th times of the events yeah i y yeah i mean it it it will not because of the fixation it will be down to what we define as a gaze so basically the time from when somebody starts looking at an object until they leave it and so if they blinked a lot within that they are still looking at that object so it is just the time in to the time out right yeah okay okay but what we need to know is like at what stage in the eye tracking stuff where it does that and whether that gets through so that craig gets it automatically in what he is translating or to g d f yep whether he needs to redo the same analysis because something about the data path cuts off that analysis for the eye tracker or whether we even like it right and want to do it some different way some other way yeah yeah cause i think the ascii format as it stands does contain blink information cause d d i am sure i am sure that is appeared in the in the documentation i have read through yes yep there is a blink sort of event yeah but it could be these things are corrected for blinks in this way plus there is blink information so you know it it treats it as a fixation around blinks and it also just happens to tell you where the blinks are possibly possibly yeah cause as they were saying they like to use blink rate as measures of cognitive difficulty or something so right okay okay yeah so might might worth us us having a look at that and just just seeing what dat is what data is already in the ascii format and whether you want me to do any correction as part of the analysis yep cause i have got to do the analysis for the fixations on parts and things anyway so yeah i d i i i did not think check for blinks during that is not going to be a should not be a big problem it should just be a matter of treating a b adding on the blink to the last fixation or something anyway yeah yep so we will be if they are not still fixating on it when they come back out of the blink then why is that is that the right thing to do analytically well the the real reason is as long as they have been blinking even if they then open their eyes somewhere else that is when they start absorbing the new information 0 right yeah you said that it is basically like a just a long saccade it you kind of have visual suppression when you move and it is the same when you are blinking you are not taking anything in so well but does the duration of fixations count for anything cause it if you are just adding the length of the blink to the fixation you are not treating it as a saccade it it is yeah that yes that is for the sort of gaze time measure it is not actually the fixations are still independent so the they w fixation duration is not does not include the blink in the ascii a output okay it is only when we start looking at sort of the total gaze that the total amount of time spent looking at one particular object wait which includes all these sort of multiple fixations and any blinks and that sort of thing okay is it it is a a sort of composite viewing time i kinda get this yeah yeah right so more complicated than i thought yeah i am afraid i would forgotten about the multiple fixations on an object yeah okay and so are you looking for a final thing that just sort says between this time and this time you are looking at this object between this time this time you are not looking anything yep yep and although we will also still need a count of the fixations just so we can have you you have got measure fixation duration again just to s see if those they spend longer just f amount of more stable move eye fixation or not yeah yeah cause i think i think at the moment the g d f format has fixations in it so so i gue i guess that would be part of the g d f to transformation would be turning fixations into gazes and whatever else yep to ye yeah okay okay viewing times well tha tha do not do not worry about that just the moment well it is not okay i mean this is kinda what we were talking about before this confusion about what is in the g d f but i mean you might see it as the initial g d f is just whatever straight forwardly translates without you know without transforms with just the data format changing from the ascii and then there is a bunch of other things that get added that you might still want to be in augmented g d f format you know like this blink and the gaze and whatever else and then you translate to n x t so you might still want to have everything in this one g d f file format that represents everything and then the n x t thing is just a splitter it is not doing any fancy analysis right yeah so i see this as you know a bunch of little routines that take the the g d f without this information in it and add new information into th sub script versions of the g d f file that contains these post process analyzes well that is partly why i brought this up now is it i am not sure what point down the data path things sort of happen but that is what i want out in the end right yeah right so so so w will you actually be doing much of the g d f or is are you expecting do most the analysis on out of the n x t stuff then so whe when you when you actually generate your results well the n x t stuff will have the more complete picture cause it will include combine all the linguistic stuff with all the movements and the actions yeah right but there will be i suppose just some purely eye movement stuff we could do i s presumably with g d f yeah yeah c well yeah you told that earlier cause you could do a quick ana you could do a quick analysis on the g d f stuff without having to before you hit before you do the dialog analysis type stuff so you can get some some results anyway can not you yeah i mean it to some extent it does not matter which data format it is in n x t or g d f okay yeah but it makes more sense for the converter between g d f and n x t not to add any data all it does is do this this stupid data format conversion and it it is just you know separating it out in the little steps so you know there have to be these other scripts that add any data transforms not data format transform forms but data transforms like this idea of of putting together gazes from fixations so y you know i if we keep it simpler like that so that it is in little pieces then it will be just easier to understand w what the wh the whole thing does right okay okay cause you you c you know i if suddenly you discover there is a problem with the g d f to n x t transform c you want to know whether it is one of these little post processes going wrong or whether it is just the thing that dumps it into the multiple files for the and g d f to n x t transform is c is pretty simple an so you know right and yeah that is also why i sent you the saarbruecken software f that the stuff that takes the ascii sort of format originally and then just sort of compresses it and things 0 yeah yeah the germans do not yeah yeah yeah yeah the german stuff because that little utility does things like t well but you can tell it to what to do with blinks whether just to lump them in or or not 0 yeah what the minimum fixation duration for a stable fixation would be sort of you have if it picks up t fixations less than say 50 milliseconds you can tell it just to again lump them all together that is not a sort of reliable enough fixation fair enough fair en you can put in these sort of of things so that is that is a bit of software that is sent and that includes the source code and things as well yeah so so they they we are allowed to do whatever without without source code there is no c sort of restrictions on that fair enough fair enough so that is like all the analysis that you need to do to things are you just going to copy what they do or is it documented like why they did it they way they did it or is it just no there is very little documentation as you might imagine for these sort of things well it is good starting point right yeah so i g i yeah so it would be interesting to see if you agree with the decisions that they made about how to do things that is that is why so yeah i suppose i can easy look through and start writing up some documentation on it that will gi that will give us a starting point for us to sort to talk about it to look for what analysis we n actually need to do on it and things yeah easy c yeah create all the switches and whatever else you need to do so fine good okay okay yeah so we will on once yeah well once i have had once i have had a bit of bit more look at this g d f stuff then start looking through that start looking through that and make sure that works cause al also just filters it cause there are a lot of strange event tags that the eye link produces that are fairly meaningless i think and it can stri it strips out a lot of the junk as well yeah yeah yeah ah i have l yeah i have no no noticed that the the the gest analyser knows quite a few things as well so it cleans it up huh so but as well b but we do not want to build it into our data path we just want to learn from it i think right right correct b fine or no well possibly yeah well i use it that useful for generating this g d f stuff i can easily incorporate whatever functions it takes from into gest analyser when i am do doing the g d f stuff yeah so i am just thinking you know like i so this takes the ascii to to a d simplified ascii yep and simplified in with transforms in it ascii and it is just it seems to be harder to maintain something that has got that in it if it would be better to break things up into like steps yeah that you know as part of the the and als well why do i think this the pr i do not know because it is somebody else is program and then they are going to give us the next version and that is going to break our entire pipeline yeah huh yeah i see what you mean huh you know that is the main reason yeah yeah i mean but what yeah say what what i will what i will plan to do with it then is take the is take to the software find out what functions are useful for us in that and then use those functions to generate the stuff that goes into the x m l file the the g f format yeah yeah i can imagine i can imagine that also requiring some discussion about whether what they do is what we actually want to do 6 or that should be interesting yeah yeah so so the fir fir 1st part that will be documenting what they have got and then discussing it with robin huh so yeah well sounds good so so i suppose pose that that way the it is it is not quite s it so it is not going to be quite grabbable cause it is it is written in java right but yeah well i tr mo mostly yeah i am sure i sure most the logic is going to be going to be the same yeah well yes huh the actual so yeah and if in doubt do not filter stuff out keep it in right cause we always dump it to this other n x t track that we do not need to load necessarily so the idea is you just keep stuff unless right yeah fair enough yeah it is always better than making too much compression to start with and then being out of unable to go back or yeah yeah fair enough well so so it is so long as it is x m l n x t will handle it will not it lossiness cause 0 yeah and it is easy enough to dump stuff into an into separate track yep w we got to teach you about this at some point though so but still not quite sure when fair enough it sounds like maybe in another week okay okay so jonathan made me promise not to tell you about it when you 1st arrived cause you were going to get overload about learning eye trackers and no or or you leave very quickly it is just too many things at once and it was not important that it be then huh yeah well i am well i am well g i have got the hang of all the stuff i have been going through and it looks like l looks like i am coming to end of the stuff the stuff list there already yeah so so i am going to have start looking at that as the next stage yeah he is a cool customer he is ready for it so okay i think we are done right yep yep well i am i am 0 dear my page is blank still sorry 0 yeah i do not know i do not really need to this just says look at the wiki find out what is next you could give give craig more work to do well i ma i ma i may be maybe i want to check out these batteries and things will not i this one is mine it i guess not so tomorrow 0 yeah well that will take forever well that will be something to do well well will the will the will will do if the trains are tha as bad as today that is that is really fun check your batteries so" ]

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[ "i mean if you were ever you know late sabat it is not we will find a way around it and i have put you guys on mondays at this time for my convenience but it is not like it is important yeah well i was the spacing to get yeah they did not make it in time but it is just because of all the leaves and things the trains were not stopping at the stations so it is like the speed restrictions on slating past really yeah great so what do they have to do back up i am not sure they end up busing people i think it is a quick station that had particularly problems on because it is on a hill or something so i had to bus people in from like stations either side 0 nasty yes yes but yeah at least it was speed restrictions instead of like trains flying past into barriers and things yeah yeah we are glad they look after that bit 0 yeah i do not know do we want to look at anything it is not up yet still 56% percentage i can skip it is it just doing a disk check or something i do not know what it is doing oops that fell off does not like silk stay now we are going to discover we have got no reason to meet right because everything is going swimmingly is everything going swimming 0 well you know apart from waiting for the get contagious sorted right because i have not been i have not read the wikis in my email since i left so yeah i have not added to anything to the wiki recently so so i have been working on trying to get the xml stuff working so so i am basically learning how to get the dom works so i can do this works so i can do the next so i can generate the ddf files 0 yeah so yeah so just to read through documentation that is what is doing the end last week just so i want to know how it all works and will not bring out the best way to do things but at the moment i have been playing about the dumb stuff in zilla because just so i can see how it works with the html pages so i can generate x hml stuff and see how it all works there this is much easier to just see how things work in that well i do not know the mozilla stuff so if it turns out that it is idiosyncratic in some way that teaches you funny habits then it will not have been a good idea well the api is standardized by the w 3 c so the api is standard between everything well there are certain companies that i do not want to name who do not always get it right but yeah mozilla yeah it will be all right yeah yeah i believe you now it is a good strategy yeah yeah well yeah it does like you said this is a visitor only feature and things like that so i have been avoiding those anyway it is just that is quite a quick way to just to get into how it done work because i can just quickly generate a web page and just add things to it and take things away and see exactly what is going on at the time so why does it help that it is html instead of just xml just because xhgml has a nice you know you have got browsers there so you can actually see you can actually see directly what is going on most browsers when you put an xml file up in it it will just apply some default style sheet to it anyway that shows you yeah well i am using xhtml all the web pages are xhtml so it is xml just with the html dpd ok yeah just because we have not quite finalized the gdf format so just what you are going to have to do is swap in tag names later yeah yeah so all we will have to do is it is change it will change that sort of thing so it is a yeah everybody has got there different ways of doing this i am sure that is fine i mean it comes out in the end yeah no i am just trying to think of the things that could go wrong but since i have not tried it this particular way you know but yeah that sounds good so you say we have not finalized what the gdf looks like is that an implicit request for me to do something or no what i am doing in the moment i am looking through the stuff that robin put on the wiki to say say what we need in the output format for the task so what you are going to do the analysis on so i am making sure that i can get that information out of the gdf as a state at the moment if i find something that you can not get out of it then i can add that to the gdf format yeah as a well i mean there is 2 cases in here right there is things you can get straight off the original format and then there is things you have to do some kind of post post the original format but it is not just a data format change it is actually some kind of computational process to get the thing out of it as well right yeah yeah and i think it was a little bit confused last time we spoke about whether you consider gdf format to be the thing that is just the straightforward translations of what is in the original eye tracking output or whether like whether the post processing utilities are a separate step because i think you and i had separate different views on this but i can not remember who had which you at this point so are you working actively on these analysis things or are you just working on the translation well i am making sure the gdf format we have got in the moment will output the well output all the analysis that robyn is looking for so i am using that as a way to get into using the dom things as well so yeah so at the moment i am looking at actually the gda format itself and then to generate the gdf format i am going to be taking stuff out of the jess analyzer and then using the dom parser to generate xm 0 okay so you have not looked at what is in there and what is not in there that you need to do some really intensive transform to do no no but the output of the jasta analyzer does do some of the processing already which is what i am trying to use that as the basis for it because that already picks up like target reads and things like that so it knows whether you are looking at a part or where you are looking at the target area or whatever so yeah so it is also got that in it somewhere so it is just a matter of pulling that out and put that into the gdf okay so this sounds like it is under control when you are happy and you guys are telling each other what you guys need to know so i do not need to do anything right nope you are all fun but there was a number of things that came before this right that it sounds like they are not under control yet so so you know the gdf stuff so ellen is view on this is we go through everything in order like the priority is exactly the pipeline order right so camtasia you mentioned yeah and i am not sure what else but we should check what other things were before this on the list of things to do yeah yeah i think the only thing i have got left to leave before the experiments can we run is get the cantasia works no we have got cantasia running on machines and i think they are set up correctly but i can not test it until we get the microphones working until you get the microphones 0 microphones it is batteries we are waiting for batteries they are due i was told the beginning this week okay are they really really strange batteries they are quite strange have you tried maplen it is averill has ordered them from somewhere are they expensive no about one50 each or something like that because you know like we bus journey over to maplen might solve the problem if it is getting in the way well hopefully they should have been here last week but caroline then phoned up to chase them and they were told to be here it should be today so this is not actually ruining your schedule for anything and that is why you are waiting well we can still test whether camtasia runs anyway it is just whether the microphones are picking up things correctly right okay so it sounds like you are not actually worried about the fact that this is not yet yeah when you get worried go to maplen phone for us to make sure that they are in there somebody around must have a probably a steve somebody in the techie group will have a maplen catalog i will see if i can it is useful to know who has got a current one anyway i do not seem to get them anymore i guess they do not buy enough equipment i think most of the stuff online these days anyway is not it 0 yeah of course duh so you can find out whether they have it but you would have to phone them to find it if they have it been stopped down there i actually live not that far from there from that so it would be a half hour diversion from my morning routine to pick up stuff but then again it is also very close to haymarket yeah so it is even less of a diversion for you except you do not know your way around i can easy i can easily get to matler i do not know where it is i used to live here i know i know i used to live here i am a geek i know where i am doing i do not know what i am happening is yeah i just think well you know for the sake of 3 quid or however many quid how many batteries does the same take it does not take 100 no it is 2 batteries we need yeah then you know put your mind at rest you know you would not want it to be the morning you were supposed to be recording and that is up to discover yeah you know this i suppose i could give you a call on the way in tomorrow and if they are not paid in your pigeonhole like and as you got off the train early and just pick them up from there yeah i check they have got them 1st though the stocks are a bit funny down there right yeah well i will make sure i am making that i will make sure i have got the phone number of my phone so i can call them because you know it is not that attractive an area to walk through if you are not going to get anything out of it well true true that is that way right is not it so of all the things that were on the wiki do i need to pull up the wiki 0 it is going to let me log in it is still probably even that angle yeah no i did not want to change my password but you guys probably know off the top of you had is there anything else that we were waiting on before you could run i remember the thing so all those tasks well the thing that is holding me slightly up is checking whether joe is finished there is a working model builder but i am not sure if it is the finished version yet his last day was the 31st of october yeah he still had hours left i was not sure if it was down to the number of hours or were the 31st of october 0 yeah no no it is hours yeah it is hours 0 so he has got hours left he is behind him i think he was billing for he was billing by the hour so i thought well i mean obviously if he wants to finish off then you know but i have 9 megan has gone dead for almost the last 2 weeks 0 well they are probably away then was not ellen away they were really in the same place no but i think what they had was some big review 0 yeah it could be it and so i have not heard anything back from them the models for 0 you have no models at all 0 that is a pity model builder that is what i was calling the graphical model editor right so you use x fig to make the parts and then you well we do not need to make the parts are all the standard tangram ones that had before anyway the x fig thing is only when we come to building airplanes and new peculiar shapes but for this experiment it is just a tangram type task okay i have something in my email about from joe he would not have sent it just to me would he do you have me to check that i am not going to project my email i will say that one recently i have not heard anything from joe for a week or something okay i think i might have heard thursday or something i can not remember exactly when it was just the last thing was in response to the thing i was saying last week about the parallelogram being the wrong way around from the model yeah that is all the screenshots yeah but nothing has i have not heard anything since from either say the netherlands or from you okay so i have got something on the 28th that is friday i think 0 he just wants to know how to get paid right that suggests he is done done done anyway he is in edinburgh so well i suppose he will not come by because craig is on his desk 0 is he back yeah ah right okay so well i am using the dice machine so he wants to pop in for 5 minutes the windows machines free from him at the moment well he is just not going to try to squat there that is all so the last thing i have got from him about workorp was the 19th of october that said he uploaded some changes that you wanted 0 see you did not get that it was just me and him but presumably he put it on the wiki so so he is just telling us because he thinks we probably do not read wikis i will just check it was after that that was the thing about the parallelogram was a mirror image i will consider him get an email off of him i think it got sent to the group saying that he would updated the whatever it was on the wiki he would uploaded a new zip file and i have written the old one well i have not replied to him about yeah i really do not have anything more recent from him i have not replied to him about you know how to submit costs and stuff like that so but that suggests he is at the end of things but we could just ask him i mean maybe you guys would just want to ask them directly you are done done right because it is worth you guys knowing and then of course any problems that remain you inherit but you know it is worth taking a look at what it does and making sure it does what you want i guess so the problem was you wanted to construct some models in it for your experiment but you were hoping to get some from nerlus yes or at least she was meant to have some idea of the level of complexity because they would have actually run things and to get an idea of the sort of style and to check it would be all right all very quiet right have you tried cold calling that that is what i do when i need things that no it has just been email rather than the telephone type of it 0 christ then when if you get them today when are you going to start running i am down for a week what is the 7th it is a week today 0 right so you have to be you have to be ready by then well i have not booked anybody in or anything but that is when i am hoping that is when i am hoping right okay we have been of course put back a bit by the eye tracker going down huh yeah makes sense yeah subjects you are we are certainly needing some data in the bag by the 1st of december i think yeah so you do not have subjects lined up but you do not expect any trouble getting them hopefully not the only other slight complication is complication is which will be i think brought up back the meeting on thursday for all the eye tracking users yeah the lab has been blocked again by jewels from psychology i do not know this person so they well they need to be serious about it who is there is that a staff member or a student okay well we kind of paid for the lab so it depends but i suppose talking to them sometimes solves these problems you might it depends on what sort of staff member is it is it a lecturer right i mean presumably he or she is not running subjects the entire well presumably not but it is sort of quite totally booked for certainly what is 6 days for 10 to 5 for 2 or 3 of those days so ellen is still out of town right it is just you could try calling this person and see how this works ellen might be more persuasive it is just sometimes academic staff have a bit of a chip about research staff and since i do not know the person i can not tell whether it is one of those or not i would not i know i can probably at least email her and ask her if she is really needing it all that time yeah and that escalate i guess but you know or whether it can be put off for a little bit or something so i have no idea how the booking system works well you are discussing them thursday right well yeah at the moment it is just a booking system yeah yeah if they can log on to it can book it yep well that is one to raise at the meeting i might talk to ellen about that ahead of time because they may have she and martin may have had discussions about appropriate use of the lab in theory jess is meant to have it every morning 0 really yeah but do not you guys set up for is not black booking more appropriate because is not there set up involved in changing a row of it in changing around for somebody else there should not be any changes in the physical connections no or in the software or anything no okay so there is no cost associated with it being mornings or afternoons no as long as other people do not for some reason i do not know disconnect some bits of the equipment there is no reason why it should so in the worst case you may be able to make an argument if you actually need that week that you can collect in the mornings that week is this something that is known outside ellen is head yes it is on the booking system it is not on the booking system it is on a webpage that frank created about the lab 0 well that sounds like which i do not know if anybody actually knows is there well and that is the time to yeah so it sounds like you have got a lot of possible ways of getting what time you need of course try to be kind to other people but it would anyway so those are the only things that are worrying you camtasia and lab access and otherwise no sweat you are happy should be i have also got to get camtasia 0 the model builders yeah well yes the multiple i have got to get camtasia working as a sort of little multimedia thing to generate a video how to sort of an instructional video 0 yeah huh this is going to take a little while that is what i will have to do this week well hopefully once i go round a trial that will give you some screenshots to work with and then just mean out of adding your video of mouse movements or whatever yeah but you were going to try and figure out how to overlay something on top of the video that or no you were just really going to run a video of the set of the of the trial yeah that is that is much easier so with a model builder what do you need to do with it which one is going to look at what it does so far and i will just do that yeah have a look if you are only problem with it things a wiki page up for that for that piece of the yeah for that thing so if you just put just put whatever recommendations bugs on that page and or work through them as and when i can hopefully there is not a problem that i say marlose was also meant to be checking it and doing things huh how many models were you relying on her for so are you suddenly going to be it has not been divided up in that sort of way well what i am trying to get at is is your start time going to be delayed because you do not have the models ready if she does not come through depends how quickly i managed to get a grip of it maybe how long it takes me to generate them or how i get on with the cantasia huh yeah well unsure of yet can you draft craig in to build some if necessary i have used the software and that is not that hard it should not there should not be any great problems just checking that they are of a suitable level of complexity you know me contingency planning on this i always worry about the worst yeah no quite right yeah i can not imagine the building the model is going to be that hard i can easily just we will have how many 1000s are on that dutch website you found just you know pick some of them redo them in the jct format that is yeah it is pretty mechanical i can easily do that it is a matter of choosing which ones you need to do yeah which i guess you have to do or i was hoping for some feedback 0 yeah well you need to you and marlose need to sort of yeah you can call a jess telkan between you and marluse you know if it is not that see you know with a call calling you can usually at least find out whether they are alive and get an offer to get something but you know the next escalation is saying no we really need to talk about this we are going to talk about it you know tuesday at such a time unless you yeah it is a good time i will try and get hold of it again but presumably whatever it is they have been going through is now over i think it was up until the end of october so presumably today they are now free or taking a week off to recover i would just hate for that to slow you up in collecting stuff that is all well hopefully it will not anyway it is just if i then do it i hopefully will get the right models yeah that is the problem but it will be generated it is whether their models are optimal that is quite a small thing she can do for you i guess it is not like sitting there brain deadly constructing some models that she needs to do it is just to provide advice about this which must take less time well that all sounds fine you guys worried about it you worried about anything we have mostly been talking about the experiment schedule i do not think so so the main thing i have got to do is get this camp data just sorted out so just waiting for the batteries for that if i am not worried i am not worried you are going to run out of things to do that we have not set you up for any time soon the gdf thing sounds like it might take a wee while yeah yeah because i have got to finalize that format and then once that is done i have got to start looking at the analysis side of it there is all the dynamic region part of it yeah but you do not need anything from me for that because that is already sort of spec i mean again that is the pair of you yeah yeah i think the analysis will take a little while i do not think it is going to take that long to get this stuff sorted out it is going to be how to display and all that sort of stuff for whatever makes it easiest for you to do this is what i am worried about is him being in the lab all day long and you not being sure like what to do for the analysis or something because you are going to be completely unavailable when you are recording or will there be times when you do not record all day no well it depends of how many i can book in and get running and before my brain melts but when the experiment is running i will be in the lab i can not just go in and let them start 0 yeah no no no i understood that some people can but it was more like you know so this week he has got you know the gdf stuff to do then next week you are planning on recording and what happens if suddenly you are unavailable all of next week just when he runs out of work there will certainly be time for now because i am right next to the lab anyway i will come back just to check my email on things anyway so what were you about it then yeah so i have still got to work on the jess analyze and turn that into a gdf outpeter and yeah i can have a look on the model builder as well one thing i think about is we are looking at the part building type stuff and it might be worth seeing if i can add a little part builder thing into the model builder i just got to tidy up on the code for generating the parts anyway the jct parts well i do not know what we want to bother with a part builder i mean the idea was it was not worth the investment yeah yeah well i want to have a quick look at it and see how easy it is to add a couple of things to it because if i can use it to generate the rot sim angle for example the rotation symmetry stuff for it which is what was called as in the bugs before so if i can use the model builders automatically do that then that would save quite a bit of work save a few bugs yeah but now that the guy building these models know that they need to do the rot some stuff do you have trouble doing it no no it is just something you have got to remember once the parts being built so yeah well i mean we might want to severely cash limit the investment that you put into making a part builder yeah yeah i am not going to be much on that how many person days would it be worth like if craig discovered it could be done in x days i would not bother more than one or 2 certainly right so there is a limit do not spend more than a day or 2 on it yeah but i am worried about it you have to understand that there is things about this project we have hidden from you so far that you will have to learn about i saw something about a map task like a little further down my task list 0 really 0 that will just be a little add on whatever it is it will be the same skills as you have learned for something else and it will just be i am not even sure that is you because i think somebody else is doing that actually but i am thinking more of the fact that at some point we should probably tell you about this nxt stuff right yeah well that is just x mil to xml is not it turning gdf and whatever it is into nxt but you know there is xml and xml and you know it takes standoff links and stuff and it is some people if they are not used to linguistic annotation take a little pun to get their head around the way the data model works right right and you know there is stuff to learn there yeah what we have heard about it is both xml so the programming side of it does not say in too hard it is going to be making sure that it fits what you expect out of the format yeah yeah but that is fine i will have plenty of questions for you once i get to that stage i am sure yeah so just do not whitter away you know weeks on fripperies when we have got the real meat of this yet to come yeah yeah we will find plenty of really really crucial things for you to do yeah i do think you will be twiddling your things yeah well the thing is we are going to get camtager sorted out this week and then it is concentrate on the on the jast is analyzer the gdf stuff and then yeah once i have done that it is whatever you whatever you whatever you want me to do once i have done the once i have done the gtf i guess okay so i will remind myself to look at what is next before the next time we get together yeah yeah i think the gdf can keep me busy for a little while yet so yeah well that is something to yeah certainly keep me busy until this time next week and then i can sort of suggesting things that might need to look at for the next stage yeah so you are collecting monday that means you do not want to meet right well at 120 clock next monday the lab is taken to be booked by jules 0 right it is actually next week it is actually the week that you were planning on it starts the on this wednesday and goes through to next way to see 0 okay well i do not know anyway you will tell me whether we canceled this or whether i just talked to craig in which case we will not be up here because we do not record 2s yep what else my then other complication is 2 weeks tomorrow i start my teaching 0 yeah must be fun let us see that is like the 4 lectures and 4 labs that comes at an ideal time for you then yes that is like the 20th or something i can not add monday is the tomorrow is the 1st so it will be the 15th actually yeah that reminds me i will not be on thursday i am going to be over in 0 you have got your induction day yeah production that is right 0 yeah you have to promise to tell us how that is because people do ask me fair enough fair enough i do not think it is a total waste of time to you know yeah the scale of one to 7 yeah yes i mean i do not expect to be that in depth i mean it is 15 minutes on a variety of different topics so it is just yeah i am sure most of it already know it is like fire safety yeah health safety data protection usual sort of stuff you get everywhere yeah yeah this thing yeah yeah cover itself legally i think by doing this yeah well if they were going to do that then they would force you to go to it and i would not know somebody who would go on to know nobody is pulled her so far i am pretty sure they did not have induction in my day well i do not remember being asked for an induction really but you only started here in april they were supposed to i am sure i got invited to a summer garden party for new staff members but that is all 0 well when i started being a student when the induction was a compulsory because a lot of students were doing teaching and you could not do the teaching unless you have done the induction because you had to know about health and safety and fire safety before you could take a charge of yeah because you were the responsible person in the classroom so yeah but i am not sure why i am doing it now there we go let us see how we go i will give you a report on friday or something i have one nxt question okay well it is not one hopefully as part of the output it will be something like that is that correct so you have got the gaze position of the 1st person gaze position of the 2nd mouse position of the 1st the mouse position of the 2nd and i do not know i will call them mouse action or something yeah is that just in in such of seems reasonable so it will be like in monitor but yeah there will all be different tiers like that and then there is the language stuff as well yes that is just the yeah this is the easy stuff yeah yeah well eyes and mice eyes and mice huh and that is enough for you right i mean that is just the way you want to hopefully that is yeah it is why of course there are lots of things that can do that it is the language part as well yeah so i was just yeah i was just checking that i know the language part would say say up here but this would be the new part new stuff that seems fine yeah do you know what the sets of codes are well whatever you are getting out of the jasta analyzer so yeah whatever that is i mean blinks as well right yes i am not sure we need to know exactly where they are just how many there are each so you do not want a part of the state i do not know i suppose it could go in i suppose it is well to have it i think you should well there is 2 views on this if you do then the people formulating research questions will ask about them but if you do not they will probably ask about them anyway and then you will have to add them out to the fact so it is really easier just to shove them in you can stick them in a different track and then load them or not load them as you please because it is not well i do not know is it part of so these are mutually exclusive and exhaustive sets of codes against time right is not blink a part of this blink would at the moment just get lumped in with the previous gaze yeah but is not that important because when they are blinking basically it is like a nil code you can not find out what they are doing otherwise so it may actually be important to have the blinks registered in there because you may discover you need to take them into account to smooth some kind of analysis that you are doing so it could be that if only they had not had to blink just then they would have been i do not know what moving somewhere else or it is more likely to be blinking at the same time as the other person is doing something that you want to know about 0 i hope not too much for lies i am missing stuff because people blink i was thinking more like you know the person looks at a part and they have got a fixation before and after and there is a blink in the middle and you know there may be times when you want to treat that as one thing yes right normally we just as i say add the blink time and duration to the previous fixation 0 right okay so but in that case because you are not absorbing any new information and that is what the critical sort of deciding factor is right huh in that case then these tiers are already like blink corrected yes so that they will include and then you would not have blinks as part of this you would want blinks as a separate tier if you are going to have it in yeah it would be as a separate tier where just the mark yeah the actual position yeah so the key thing here is mutually exclusive and exhaustive and the 2nd key thing is it better be really clear to the people who are dealing with these codes what is included yeah whether any monkey business has been done around the blinks to correct for that because no it would not necessarily be obvious looking at that set of codes no no certainly not looking at the codes yeah i suppose if you know that i trackers then you will just know know what to look for and what not to so that means you need the blink correction as part of the analysis then i think you are saying it comes out of the ad tracker already right they are already blink corrected well they are already identified as blinks then it is at what stage the software that i have used pools and the blinks so we will add it on i am not sure of what right so that is the stuff that comes to the eye tracker that is the stuff that comes the eye tracker certainly it is listed as a separate event in the stream blinks are a tag from the edf and that sort of thing it is registered right okay well if you want to merge into a fixation it might be worth making that part of the requirement for the gdf stuff to remind me so just add that analysis to it it is easy enough today just checking the time yeah i mean it will not because of the fixation it will be down to what we define as a gaze so basically the time from when somebody starts looking at an object until they leave it and so if they blinked a lot within that they are still looking at that object so it is just the time in to the time out right okay but what we need to know is like at what stage in the eye tracking is up where it does that and whether that gets through so that craig gets it automatically in what he is translating or to gdf whether he needs to redo the same analysis because something about the data path cuts off that analysis for the eye tracker or whether we even like it right and want to do it some different way yeah i think the ascii format as it stands does contain blink information yes because i am sure that is appeared in the documentation i have read through yeah there is a blink yeah but it could be these things are corrected for blinks in this way plus there is blink information so possibly it treats it as a fixation around blinks and it also just happens to tell you where the blinks are because as you were saying they like to use blink rate as measures of cognitive difficulty or something so right okay okay yeah so my way i will try and look at that and just seeing what data is already in the sc format and whether you want me to do any correction as part of the analysis i have got to do the analysis for the fixations on parts and things anyway so yeah i did not think to check for blinks during that is not going to be a should not be a big problem it should just be a matter of treating adding on the blink to the last fixation or something yeah yeah if they are not still fixating on it when they come back out of the blink then why is that the right thing you do analytically well the real reason is as long as they have been blinking even if they then open their eyes somewhere else that is when they start absorbing the new information 0 right yeah you said that it is basically like it is just a long saccad kind of a visual suppression when you move and it is the same when you are blinking you are not taking anything in well but does the duration of fixations count for anything because if you are just adding the length of the blink to the fixation you are not treating it as a saccad it is yes that is for this sort of gaze time measure it is not actually fixations are still independent so the fixation duration does not include the blink in the ascii output it is only when we start looking at the total amount of time spent looking at one particular object which includes all these sort of multiple fixations and any blinks and that sort of thing okay i can not get this yeah yeah viewing time right so more complicated than i thought i would forgotten about the multiple fixations on an object yeah okay so the idea you are looking for a final thing which just says between this time and this time you are looking at this object between this time this time you are not looking at anything although we will also still need a count of the fixations just so we can have you have got a measure of the average fixation duration again just to see if it has been longer just more stable move eye fixation or not yeah yeah i think at the moment the gdf moment has fixations in it it so i guess that would be part of the gdf to nxt transformation would be turning fixations into gases and whatever else yeah okay okay do not worry about that just the moment okay i mean this is kind of what we were talking about before this confusion about what is in the gdf i mean you might see it as the initial gdf is just whatever straightforwardly translates without you know without transforms but just the data format changing from the ascii and then there is a bunch of other things that get added that you might still want to be in augmented gdf format you know like this blink and the gaze and whatever else and then you translate to nxt so you might still want to have everything in this one gdf file format that represents everything and then the nxt thing is just a splitter it is not doing any fancy analysis right so i see this is you know a bunch of little routines that take the gdf without this information in it and add new information into subsequent versions of the gdf file that contains these post process analysis well that is part of why i brought this up now is i am not sure at what point down the data path things sort of happen but that is what i want out in the end right yeah so will you actually be doing much of the gdf or are you expecting to be mostly analysis out of the nxt stuff so when you are actually during your results well the nxt stuff will have the more complete picture because it will include combine all the linguistic stuff with all the movements and the actions right but there will be i suppose just some purely eye movement stuff we could do presumably the gdf yeah well yeah you are talking that earlier because you could do a quick analysis on the gdf stuff without having to before you hit before you do the dialog analysis type stuff so you can get some results anyway can you yeah i mean it does it does not matter which data format it is in nxt or gdf but it makes more sense for the converter between gdf and nxt not to add any data all it does is do this stupid data format conversion and it is just you know separating it out into little steps so you know there have to be these other scripts that add any data transforms not data format transforms but data transforms like this idea of putting together gazes from fixations so you know if we keep it simpler like that so that it is in little pieces then it will be just easier to understand what the whole thing does right okay okay because you know if suddenly you discover there is a problem with the gdf to nxt transform you want to know whether it is one of these little post processes going wrong or whether it is just the thing that dumps it into the multiple files for the and gdf to nxt transform is pretty simple so right and that is also why i sent you the sarbruchin software that the stuff that takes the ascii format originally and then just 0 yeah yeah the german stuff because that little utility does things like well you can tell it what to do with blinks whether just a lumped the minimum or not what the minimum fixation duration per stable fixation would be so you have if it picks up fixations less than say 50 milliseconds you can tell it just to again lump them all together that is not a reliable enough fixation you can put in these sort of things so that is a bit of software as sent and that includes the source code and things as well so i will take a relative to that source code and then sort of restrictions on that fairly so that is like all the analysis that you need to do to things are you just going to copy what they do or is it documented like why they did it the way they did it or is it just no there is very little documentation as you might imagine for these things well it is a good starting point right it would be interesting to see if you agree with the decisions that they made about how to do things yeah i suppose i can easily look through it and start writing out some documentation on it and then i will get that a good at a starting point for us to talk about it today for what analysis we actually need to do on it and think yeah i can easily create all the switches and whatever else you need to do good okay okay yeah so one to one yeah well once i have had a bit more of a look at this gdf stuff and then start looking through that so i will look through that and make sure if that works it also just filters that there are a lot of strange event tags that the ilink produces that are fairly meaningless i think and it strips out a lot of the junk yeah yeah yeah but yeah i noticed that the jess analyze in there is quite a few of the things as well a few of the things as well so we do not want to build it into our data path we just want to learn from it i think right correct or no possibly well if there is things that are useful for generating this gdf stuff i can easily incorporate whatever functions it takes from into jess and lizer when i am doing the gdf yeah i am just thinking you know like so this takes the ascii to a simplified ascii and simplified in with transforms in it ascii it is just it seems to me harder to maintain something that has got that in it it would be better to break things up into like steps but you know as part of the and also well why do i think this i do not know because it is somebody else is program and then they are going to give us the next version and that is going to break our entire pipeline yeah you know that is the main reason yeah yeah i mean but what i will say what i will plan to do with it then it is take their software find out what functions are you useful for us in that and then use those functions to generate the stuff that goes into the xml file yeah i can imagine that also requiring some discussion about whether what they do is what we actually want to do that should be interesting yeah yeah but the 1st part of that will be documenting what they have got and then discussing it with robin huh well sounds like that way but it is not going to be quite grabable because it is written in java right but yeah well i will throw most yeah i am sure i am sure most logic is going to be yeah well yeah exactly and if in doubt do not filter stuff out keep it in right because we always dump it to this other nxt track that we do not need to load necessarily so the idea is you just keep stuff on us yeah it is always better than making too much compression to start with and then being able to go back yeah well someone with his xml nxt will handle it will it 0 yeah it is easy enough to dump stuff into it in their separate track we got to teach you about this at some point though so i am still not quite sure when it sounds like maybe in another week okay okay jonathan made me promise not to tell you about it when you 1st arrived because you were going to get overload about learning eye trackers or you leave very quickly it is just too many things at once and it was not important that it be then yeah well i have got to hang of all the stuff of being going through and it looks like it looks like i can come to the end of the stuff of the list there already i am going to start looking at that as the next stage he is a cool customer he is ready for it okay i think we are done right yep yeah all i yeah my peach is blank still sorry 0 yeah i do not know i did not really need to this just says look at the wiki find out what is next you could give it give craig more work to do this one is fine i may be having to check out these batteries and things are not there 0 yeah well that will take forever that is really fun to get letters we will do with the trains as better as today great 0 yeah we are going to have a little bit of steve the steve will just try it at the evening i do not know them off of course 0 yeah i was very much steve but i have to ask you too 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[ "so we come again for the the 2nd meeting for the aim of this meeting now is to to make presentation about the work for each one and take the the decision about the the design and the functionality of the the remote okay control okay and we have think i got a new project requirement so i think teletext becomes outdated so the popularity of the since the popularity of the internet and i think we do not need lighting adaptive okay so the remote control should be only used for the the television and of course we should have our image in the in the design so let us start with the the industrial designer yeah alright so or y you can use the whiteboard if you want well i have a powerpoint pr presentation stored in my here in my personal folder so i i i think you can reach it from here just go to explorer or open 0 okay participant 2 participant 2 this one yeah open open do you want to open because it is open you mean right so i will talk about the the w working design and f 5 slide show view slide show ah and well i i will present my my 1st idea on how to build the our new remote control for television so can you go one page down please so i think the 1st things to do is to define the hardware components neededs to achieve what we want to do so i am thin i think i i will do a survey about what is what is available on the market and what what is the the cheapest possible things we hav we can use then i will try with the technical team to to build a prototype and to see with h how this little box would look look like and how an and we can start troubleshooting 1st com communication problems or things like that and when we are ready with this 1st prototype i i think we can add some software functionalities on a programmable chip like browsing by content or things like that okay so can you go down so wha what i think for now is we do not want to have a remote control w which is wired so i think we u we can use a battery for the then 2 programmable chips for both software functionalities and communication and the communication with the t v set is made through infrared communication so this is the the schema of the 0 of the future remote controls so you can you can see the components did you draw it wow battery and the 2 chips goes to the infrared connection to the t v set this this what is the other chip for the one on top the one on top is for the well the functionali the functionalities and the the th red sorry the green one is is to well one is a communication putting things together f transform the data into qu into the format to to to communicate with the t v set for men to the in okay and that is it i think we should use a f p g a for for the functionalities which is easy to to t what is f p g a it is field programmable something array gateway arrays yeah it is a field programmable gateway arrays so why is it how is it different from the bluetooth well a f p g a is just a chip you can you can pr program it wi with wh whatever you want yeah program it yeah okay and well the bluetooth chip is just responsible to make the communication between the 2 devices yeah so this are the they have to work together or do they have to work together or 2 separate choice no well th the f p g a will produce the the data to send okay or it is something like is not hardware the 1st one and the 2nd one is for the software is the is the software par alri okay yeah to run th to make it run yeah that is it okay okay so you can control if you want right yeah no alright and that is it for the working design so if you have any questions okay and how about the battery power you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote contro the power to the battery comes through infrared no no no no i think we have to to have embedded b batteries in in the yeah into the t into the more compact and okay yeah yeah and i i do not think it will need very much power to make it run so yeah yeah okay you can put it on the charger when you when you do not need to use it yeah it is a good idea yeah that is right yeah having a charger rather than putting the battery cells always yeah yeah yeah people do not like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out yeah we just make a small charger and put it y yeah yeah because you are using because you are using bluetooth if some people have p d a they can use their p d a to control the t v if they want to right that is a good idea you can i yeah ma also but but i i i think the the goal is to sell our remote control bu i dunno yeah we can change the b our remote we do not want to make it p d a yeah s okay so charger for is the so is mine it is mine 0 participant one no yeah this your 0 we have so let us move to to user interface design yeah so you can open 3 participant yeah so so i am working on the technical functions design can you show the next slide so the the purpose is to to find the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have so so i found on a webs on the internet yeah during the weekend i spent a lot of time searching and and i found that the function of remote control is to send messages to television set that is good g for example switch on switch off switch the next channel and so on and so on so i found 2 very good prototypes for for this interface from our competitors so can you this are usual functionality yeah yeah yeah ours is a bit different so these are 2 example one is from the other one is from yeah engineering centr yeah tasks this is the most competing prototypes i have found but then loo but then i found if you look at you see on the left one there are too many buttons and they are small yeah 0 on the right i tried to play with the problem is that if i have 100 channels i have i have to choo press the other button to choose the 100 channels and i have to compose the number so it is very lousy yeah of course so you so you move to the next the next one yeah so i talk about the problem and then i i look at the user manual they are a 100 pages thick so we do not want that yeah so i propose the easy to use prototype you can navigate on t v screen and we can the user is preference and we need to have the t v connected to internet so we end in order to access the t v programs by x m l and we need some to do some preprocessing from the technical aspect the processing should be done on the t v set than on the on the remote controller right and then we the speech recognition as harry says we may just put in we may k i v what do you mean by the pa pa processing will be done on the t v yeah all the processing is done the t v is a compu has some processing power the than the so we have to t so we should have specific t v yeah or we have to sell a t v with the remote control too we can use this yeah we do not yeah because are you just wondering what controller okay yeah i think so yeah not the t v s j j just the remote control i think there there is there is al there there is a a technology like show view who is already available on most of the t v set on recorders or thing like that and we can try t to get this information on to the remote control to to do the processing on the remote control because yeah okay yeah yeah okay yeah that is right so i the processing on on the remote controller so it can u be used in any t v any conventional t v sets yeah we yeah okay speech recognition n yeah that is all the next one so i come up with a simple design just keep the v navigation buttons yes that is a good idea i think keep the navigation but we d we do not we we do not need really much buttons to i if we have a screen to navigate on on the t v so yeah yeah well f 45 buttons it is sufficient yeah it is easy to build yeah that is right it does not consume much power okay that is all 0 but you have a catch there assume that if you want to go to if you are watching channel 2 and if you want to go to channel 99 then well then y you you go to the main menu and you have go to channel and then you can no because you choose by channel so you choose by t v program so you do not have 100 channels to choose from yeah huh huh huh huh maybe you if you go by channel you do not have to do that but i i think i i if you if you want to to make well a a big jump but well you you have to to have a a a device when you could you could but so you are ah ah a big jump yeah then yeah that is right a mouse or well not a mouse but something that that says more clearly that right left up down yeah well the to have the ability to to to write something to the navigator maybe directly or okay okay so we can think of buttons like in the telephone to send messages or things like that but we will see how the this remote it is going to be small yeah of course small yeah so it will beep if you want to find it you just shout y h just it just has to re respond to you when you look for the device too small that it goes under the sofa and we can not find it yeah that is i dunno how bu just give it a name and we call him and responds to you and yeah that is right yeah that is right okay so next presentation participant 4 so harry okay after having the inputs from industrial design and user interface i think most of the points which i want to are already covered here and to find the most interesting features what the users would be interested then what we have done is we have put a feedback forms in all the magazines and the users send the feedbacks and based on that these are the findings which we got and yeah adding of a speech interface is always good for a t v remote but the technology we already know that as discussed earlier well i i think it will be a yes a bit complicated to make a speech recognisers runs on the small ts an it does how feasible it is i but i think if you to recognize numbers it is a well studied problem i if you just recognize numbers is a limited you have limited vocabulary 0 we can put an limited vocabulary as in the mobile phones yeah we just have the and this can allow to choose the the program for instance without adding buttons yeah so it is a good idea it is not going to take much space also it is going to be very slim and next one was the size of the remote control it has to be of course a very slim and small one and of course most of the people are interested in if it is less expensive so this is an important criteria here is but but do you think what they sug suggested s possibility i mean we have to look for a trade off the features and the cost yeah i no i i think that i if we go for quality people may tolerate for high quality and of course comes with reasonable cost yeah maybe not less but they may be willing to pay little bit more if it is with extra features little bit more for comfort yeah extra features yeah it yeah yeah s s speech is a important extra feature i think okay yeah yeah that is right but is it useful or not u yeah well i do not know there is in the i mean for a lazy guys they could say 9 and the 9 channel comes or they say movie name or i do not go for movie names but only for the numbers on the channel or volume up volume down brightness contrast so i think this should be a good idea to put this features and the 4th one was the teletext in various languages well we are we we just have to find a mean how to to add a m a a a microphone or well yes a microphone into the the remote control i think so i well it will be alright i think i what is the teletext if it is necessary can you can do that we can integrate small microphone in the remote so it is not really a problem yeah okay what about lighting adaptive options yeah as discussed in the earlier meeting but i think not much people are really interested in this point if it is not really required according to the re to the new requirements i think we do not need that yeah it is interesting but we are only concerned with the remote controller so you need s special t v sets to do that or it is it is done via this remote controller it is very complex i mean yeah i think it is a bit complex too i mean yeah it is for the industrial design and users interface designers to decide if it is going to be working or not for our next product our new t v set with automatical sound adjustment light i think yeah then we can conclude that yeah yeah but it is quite possible but maybe not in this project so we have i think we have s still we have couple of minutes so any things to to discuss i think as i discussed th that 4 points would be good for marketing or any suggestions the speech interface and less reasonable cost expensive price and the lighting adaptation and the teletext and regarding the teletext these are the subtitl these are the text information which you got on the televisions okay if you are watching an foreign movie you get subtitles sometimes yeah okay and if you are a french guy watching an english movie you would like to have it in french and if i am a german then i would like to have the my options in german so the remote it should have some it should give me some flexibility of choosing the ch languages function that should be a good point yeah but well what about the the new project is requirement i i i think we should give up with teletext no i think we we can we is the yes well so maybe we we can j we can already think about a way to to access the internet via the television because if using the t v to access the internet or what i did not quite understand yeah but we can think that in a few years there will be t v set that can access the internet yeah yeah okay so it is a good idea if i i if we i if if we think about how to to to build up our remote control w with this functionality in a w which will c which will come in a few years we already have some so if we already have it in our remote control so you have to anticipate the the future yeah yeah the future demand market demand yeah yeah that is right yeah to desi well not not to implement it but to well to find a way to to add to add this functionality in a yeah in an in an easy manner if is possible the functionality in the future in future alright yeah because all the t v sets will be digital right all the programs everything will be in digital than analog th the system will change and we have to anticipate for those change yeah yeah yeah okay okay so so let us go for the the lunch break and okay thank you we will meet after okay thank you okay thank you" ]

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[ "i am going to so we come again for the 2nd meeting for the aim of this meeting now is to make presentation about the work for each one and you will take the decision about the design and the functionality of the remote and we have i think i got a new project requirement so i think tilly text becomes outdated so the popularity of the since the popularity of the internet and i think we do not need lighting adaptive so the remote contour should be only used for the television and of course we should not have our image shot in the design so let us start with the industry designer yeah right so i can use the white board when i have a powerpoint presentation stored in my in my personal folder so i think you can reach it from here just go to explorer or open participant to participant to no open because it is opening it alright so i will talk about the working design slideshow a view slideshow and well i will present my 1st idea on how to build our new remote control for television so can you go one page down please so i think the 1st things to do is to define the hardware components needed to achieve what we want to do so i am thinking i think i will do a survey about what is a valuable on the market and what is the cheapest possible things we have we can use then i will try with the technical team to build a prototype and to see with how this little box would look like and we can start troubleshooting 1st communication problems or things like that and when we are ready with this 1st prototype i think we can add some software functionalities on a program chip like browsing by content or things like that okay so can you go down so well what i think for now is we we do not want to have a remote control which is wide so i think we we can use a battery for the the alimentation then 2 programmable chips for both software functionalities and communication and the communication with the tv set is made through infrared communication so this is the schema of the drawing wow of the future remote control so you can see the components battery and the 2 chips the 2 chips goes to the infrared connection through the tv set what is the other chip for the one on top the one on top is for the well the functionality and the the red sorry the green one is to well putting things together transform the data into the format into the format to protocol to communicate with the tv set okay and that is it i think we should use a fpga for for the functionality which is easy to what is the fpga it is field programmable something array yes it is a field programmable gateway arras so how is it different from the bluetooth well fpga is just a chip you can you can program it with whatever you want and the bluetooth chip is just responsible to make the communication between the 2 devices so these are the they have to work together or do they have to work together or 2 separate choice well the fpga will produce the data to send okay or it is something like is in hardware the 1st one and the 2nd one is for the software it is a software part yeah to make it run that is okay okay so you can control with your notebook if you want right yeah all right and that is it for the working design so if you have any questions okay and how about the battery power you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote control the power to the battery comes through infrared no no no i think we have to have embedded batteries in the into the yeah into the more compact and yeah yeah and i do not think it will need very much power to much power to make it run so yeah yeah okay you can put it on a charger when you when you do not need to use it is a good idea yeah that is right having a charger rather than putting a battery cells always people do not like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out we just to make a small charger and put it because you are using if some people have pda they can use their pda to control the tv if they want to also but but but i do not know yeah we can not change the i think the goal is to sell our remote we do not want to make a pdf so so charge of alimentation is that key so it is mine it is mine participant one no yeah that is your we have 14 so let us move to move to to user interface design yeah so you can open 3 yeah so i am working on the technical functions design so the next slide so the purpose is to to find the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have so i found on the website on the internet during the weekend yeah i spent a lot of time searching and i found that the function of remote control is to send messages to television set for example switch on switch off switch to next channel and so on and so on so i found 2 very good prototypes for this interface from our competitors so can you these are usual functionality yeah yeah ours is a bit different so these are 2 examples one is from opeg the other one is from yeah engineering centered yeah this is the most competing prototypes i found but then i found if you look at you see on the left one there are too many buttons and they are smored yeah on the right i tried to play with the problem is that if i have 100 channels i have to choose press the other button to choose the 100 channels and i have to compose the number so it is very lousy so you move to the next one yeah so i talk about the problem and then i look at the user manual there are 100 pages thick so we do not want that yeah so i propose an easy to use prototype you can navigate it on tv screen and we can pre feiter user is preference and we need to have the tv connected to the internet so in order to access the tv programs by xml and we need to do some pre processing from the technical aspect the processing should be done on the tv set than on the remote controller right and then we the speech recognition as harry says we may just put in we make kiv what do you mean by the preprocessing will be done on the tv yeah all the processing is done the tv has some processing power there so we have we should have specific tv or we have to use this a tv with the remote control yeah because 0 you just want remote controller yeah i think so there is a technology like show view who is already available on most of the tv set on recorders or things like that and we can try to get this information onto the remote control to do the processing on the remote control yeah that is right okay so we do processing on the remote controller yeah so it can be used in any tv only conventional tv set yeah okay special cognition yeah it is all in the next one so i come up a simple design just keep the navigation buttons yes that is a good idea i think we do not we do not need really much buttons to if we have a screen to navigate on tv so yeah 4 or 5 buttons it is sufficient it is easy to build it does not consume much power okay that is all but you have a catch there assume that if you want to go to if you are watching channel 2 and if you want to go to channel 99 then well then you go to the main menu and you have a go to channel and then you no because you choose by channel so yeah you choose by tv programs so you do not have 100 channels to choose from if you go by channel you do not have to do that well but i think he said if you if you want to make a well a big jump a big jump yeah that is right well you have to have a device when you could a mouse or not a mouse but something that says more clearly that right left up down down to have the ability to write something to the navigator maybe directly we can think of buttons like in the telephone to send messages or things like that how do the external this remote it is going to be small yeah of course it is too small that it goes so fun we can not find it so you if you want to find it you just shut you just it just has to respond to you when you look for the device yeah i do not know how but we just give it a name and we call him and your response to you and there yeah that is right okay so next presentation what is she been for okay after having the inputs from industrial design and user interface i think most of the points which i wanted are already covered here and to find the most interesting features what the users would be interested then what we have done is we have put a feedback forms in all the magazines and the users sent the feedbacks and based on that these are the findings which we got and yeah adding up a speech interface is always good for a tv remote but the technology we already know that i have discussed earlier i think it would be yes a bit complicated to make a speech recognizer runs on the small it has seen how feasible it is but i think if you just want to recognize numbers it is a well studied problem if you just recognize numbers you have limited vocabulary 0 we can put a limited vocabulary as in the mobile phones we just have the and this can allow to choose the program for instance without adding buttons yeah so it is a good idea it is not going to take much space also it is going to be very slim and next one was the size of the remote control it has to be of course a very slim and small one and of course most of the people are interested in if it is less expensive so this is an important criteria here but do you think what they suggested is possible to be i mean we have to look for a trade of the features and the cost i think that if we go for quality people may tolerate for high quality and of course comes with reasonable cost maybe not less but they may be willing to pay a little bit more extra futures yeah extra futures yeah speech is a important extra future yeah that is right but is it useful or not well there is a noise i mean for a lazy guys they could just say 9 the 9th channel comes or just a movie name i do not go for movie names but only for the numbers on the channel or volume up volume down brightness contrast so i think this should be a good idea to put these features and the 4th one was the teletext in various languages well we just have to find the mean how to add a microphone or well yes a microphone into the the the remote to control so i think it will be alright what is the teletext if it is necessary we can you can do that we can integrate small microphone in the remote so it is not really a problem okay what about lighting adaptive options yeah i was discussed on the earlier meeting but i think i think not much people are really interested in this point if it is not really it is interesting but we are only concerned with the remote controller so you need special tv sets to do that or it is done via this remote controller it is very complex yeah i think it is a bit complex too i mean yeah it is for the industrial design and users interface designers to decide if it is going to be working or not next product our new tv set with automatic sound adjustment yeah but it is quite possible but maybe not in this project we have i think we have still we have a couple of minutes so any things to discuss i think as i discussed that 4 points would be good for marketing the speech interface and the less reasonable cost and the lighting adaptation and the teletext and regarding the teletext these are the types these are the text information which you got on the televisions okay if you are watching a foreign movie you get in subtitles sometimes and if you are a french guy watching an english movie you would like to have it in french and if i am a german then i would like to have my options in german so the remote it should give me some flexibility of choosing the languages that should be a good point yeah but what about the the new projects requirement i think we should give up with teletext well so maybe we can we can already think about our way to access the internet you have the television because if using the tv to access the internet i did not quite understand but we can think that in a few years there will be tv set that can access the internet yeah okay so it is a good idea if we think about how to build up our remote control with this functionality which will come in a few years so if we already have it in our remote control the future yeah the future demand market demand well not not to implement it but to want to find a way to add the functionality in the future yeah in an easy manner if it is possible yeah because all the tv sets will be digital right all the programs everything will be digital then analog the system will change and we have to anticipate for those yeah okay okay so let us go for the lunch break and okay thank you thank you i am sorry thank you" ]

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[ "good morning everybody good morning good morning good morning so we are asked to to make a new remote control for television and the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user user friendly so people can can use it without any any problem i do not know well i think we should set the the points to to drive the project and b did you send us an email about this not yet but if you want yeah we we received an email about this d designs do you want do you want me to send you a mail ah it is okay or or you can put it in the shared folder yeah you see the email you email the v very no no the 1st one no i did not get it it is inside this one no no no the 3rd one 0 you did not get anything no it is strange i got an email about the dis about the discussion yeah you get email i dunno from who yeah from the account manager from the account manager you have received the same email right yeah yeah i think it is for your guys to how to design it all the aspects so you need that information yeah yeah i think so yeah so each of us has a role to do yeah i think assign your roles s in each we already have our role for each for each one for each person yeah kay we can so there are so we have 3 f yeah so there are 3 kinds of designs that is all we have functional design conceptual design and detail design okay alright so who will be the the responsible for the functional design any any volunteer i think our responsibilities will be assigned when we in our mail we received from the account manager yeah yeah i am doing the interface you are doing th no i am doing the interface are you using the you are doing the in yeah i i am i am well maybe we have okay so i industrial design it was a little confusion about my but it is alright ah okay okay i will for industrial design yeah okay and and you norman working on i user user interface and and i am into marketing doing the marketing yeah nothing much in the project nothing related here to the marketing in this design a design is basically for industrial design and the user interface yes you see the 2nd mail yeah it is inside go down appendix yeah this is see there is a role for everybody yeah that is right 1st even for the marketing us user define next but look at your role your marketing role there is a trend watching i do not know yeah that is your role i well i think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done and what are your ideas about the about the design or maybe we will discuss this later no well w we want to have a new re remote control for for t v distribution i guess so we have to plan how how it would be developed and yeah how we can make it work yes i mean working remotes we already have this will be something different from the other remotes remote controls yeah i dunno i what we we have to keep in mind the these characteristics and of course it should not be very costly yeah that is right so yeah well i i think that norman and i would think about the technical points and we should discuss it in the next meeting or need to collect information yeah about the about what i i am part of design perhaps what is most important in a in a remote control what is the most important function aspect you mean the external or well you have to make it work yeah of g of course that is alright that is the that is the big thing yeah it should be easy to work with yeah yeah yeah we can think about an interface with well we maybe you can have a speech recognition interface you just tell the television i want which channel or or you can say for example you will not i want to list all the program tonight y you know instead of remote control it is doing the some searching for you so you do not have to look for the channel you want just say maybe i just want to press i want to have a button for all the movies tonight or a button for all the magazines all the information documentary tonight and then you list a few and i will choose from the list so instead of pressing the channel number i am choosing the programs directly yeah yeah yeah that is one way of making it useful i i think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly no because no it is not very a lot s th this information exists for example you can get like s you you you say we can use speech you can use well for example anything the the idea of using speech to reduce the button but and it is more natural i i think if you want t to choose from a list of program or or something like that you you may have to to use w i dunno yeah i am a okay yeah yeah i mean the main function of remote control is to have something in the hand and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control in the hand yeah yeah yeah if we are going to add a speech interface yeah i am not sure with trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recog if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that i think the t v itself could have it yes possible yeah yeah but and i could talk to the t v television itself except if if you are far from the t v i need not have an yeah i mean we have some or something different technology but this is it is yeah yeah but th the main idea i wanted to s i wanted to say is that there should be a function instead of choosing the ch t v channel there is a option you can choose either t v channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the program on the content yeah yeah yeah it is it is a good idea it is a good idea but i i think that technically it would be a little bit more tricky to to achieve this than just to so it is more powerful yeah no no because you see now all the t v programs are available on the webs they they are they are they are available in x m l format or whatever the format we do not care we just say that this are some content we just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programs some of the websites they already provide this service so we can just use the service available yeah yeah download it to the to this remote control and then there is there are only 6 buttons for 6 categories or sev 7 the most there are only 7 buttons so i just choose the category one and you reuse the same button for example to to choose among the the sorted list the program you want so you do not have to choose among 100 channels if you have 100 channels you just have 6 buttons 7 buttons yeah we should also optimize the the number of buttons well i i i i think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to navigate through the yeah yeah this is good idea yeah ah yes so well channel program or contents or in an easy way so yeah yeah so you do not have to display here just display on the t v screen right yeah in the dis display on the t v screen and just with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f good idea okay i think i think that will be revol revolutionary because all the t v the the remote control have all numbers lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end yeah yeah yeah so alright i think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from program or contents and all this stuff okay so we have 5 minutes to ah w w we have sometimes to use the white board ah you can y you can you can use it if you so can we 5 minutes and another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of okay okay so i mean if you are watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark some dark scene the lights adapt themself yeah yeah s the lighting in the room changes yeah but we are designing just remote control you it i mean we have a option in the remote control if we want to have that option you press that button in the remote okay 0 right so okay do you want to have a conceptual remote control there or you just want to put the function in yeah if if you you you can if you want you can use th the please norman draw go on draw something 0 i am afraid you forgot to put your lapel where is it the lapel or before the before the the design that says ah okay where where is it here yeah that one just plug it norman yeah that is right be before before writing you can sit and that says what we what we said then after that you can you can use the okay alright so so the most functional des the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content yeah right we agree on that right okay 1st one is to buttons i or it could be anything with buttons okay yeah to choose content s or channels so we have both the user can choose w which one they want right yeah by content or by channel it is a good idea by content or by channel choose by contents or by channels so and then what did we say just now other than this and we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents okay so technically how the problems that how to do it is to how to get the content yeah challenge i think i it is not very difficult to to browse by channel but it is a little bit tricky to browse by contents so okay content okay so these we have to work it out so this one of the problem and i think that is the the things to do and to the main thing okay alright reflect about it and alright okay so we are we will discuss it we will get some information in the next meeting so for now we get the funct this is the functional designer discuss it in the next meeting that is the 1st aspect right we will get information and then we will come back in okay thank you everybody okay yeah we will come so maybe we will meet in maybe 5 minutes and we will discuss the other other aspects alright alright okay okay thank you mis okay well thank you all" ]

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[ "just read your powerpoint presentation just read the powerpoint presentation just read the powerpoint presentation i do not know what i mean i do not know what i say good morning everybody good morning everybody good morning good morning good morning so we ask a to make a new remote control for television and the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user friendly so people can use it without any problem think we should set the points to drive the project and did you send us an email about this not yet but yeah we receive an email about this the designs do you want me to send you a mail ah it is okay or you can put it in the shirt for yeah you see the email it is really inside the mail the very no i did not get it no no the 1st one it is inside this one no no the 3rd one 0 you did not get anything no i am a marketing strange i got an email about the discussion yeah you get email for a moment i do not know from who yeah from the account manager from the account manager you received the same email yeah yeah i think it is for your guys to how to design it and all the aspects so you need that information yeah i think so yeah so each of us has a role to do yeah i think i am sure assign your roles we already have our role for each person yeah okay okay so there are so we have 3 kinds of designs yeah we have functional design conceptual design okay detail design all right so who will be the responsible of of functional design any one or any one or i think our responsibilities will be assigned when we in our mail we receive from the account manager i am doing the interface no i am doing the interface are you using the yet i am and i am and well maybe we have okay so i do the industrial design a little confusion about my but it is all right okay you are for industrial design yeah okay and you normal working on a user interface i am into marketing i am doing the marketing yeah nothing much in the project nothing related here to a marketing in this design design is basically for industrial design and the user interface you see the 2nd mail yeah it is inside go down appendix yeah this is a role for everybody yeah that is right phase 2 is for the marketing this the 3rd for us user defined but look at your role your marketing role there is a trend watching yeah that is your role well i think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done and what are your ideas about the design maybe we will discuss this later no well we want to have a new remote control for tv distribution i guess so we have to plan how it will be developed be developed and how we can make it work yes i mean working remotes we already have this will be something different from the other remotes remote controls yeah i do not know we have to keep in mind the this characteristics and of course it should not be very costly yeah that is right yeah yeah yeah well i think that norman and i would think about the technical points and we should discuss it in the next meeting or you need to collect information yeah about the about what about the design perhaps perhaps what is most important in a remote control what is the most important functional aspect you mean the external aspect well you have to make it work that is all that is the big thing it should be easy to work with yeah yeah we can think about an interface about an interface with the well maybe you can have a speech recognition interface you just tell the television i want which channel or you can say for example i want the list all the program tonight you know in just instead of just remote control it is doing the some searching for you so you do not have to look for the channel you want to say maybe i just want to press i want to have a button for all the movies tonight or a button for all the magazines all the information documentary tonight and then you will list of you and i will choose from the list so instead of pressing the channel number i am choosing the programs directly yeah that is one way of making it useful i think if you include a lot of technology on their mode no because no it is not very a lot this information exists for example you can get like you you say we can use speech we can use well for example anything the idea of using speech is to reduce the button but and it is more natural i think if you want to choose from a list of program or something like that you you may have to use well i mean the main function of remote control is to have something in the hand and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control if you are going to add a speech interface i am not sure with then trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recognition if you want to put a speech recognition system interface for that i think the tv itself could have it yeah and i could talk to the tv television itself i need not have any if you are far from the tv yeah we have some arrays or something different technology yeah but the main idea i wanted to say is that there should be a function instead of choosing the tv channel there is an option you can choose either tv channels or the content of the contents of the program so it is more powerful it is a good idea but i think that technically it would be a little bit no more tricky to to achieve this then because you see now all the tv programs are available on the webs they they are available in the xml format or whatever we do not care we just say that there is some content we just want to retrieve the content and then class it sort them by the types of programs some of the websites they already provide this service so you can just use the service available download it to the to this remote control and then there are only 6 buttons for 6 categories or 7 the most there are only 7 buttons so i just choose the category one and you will use the same button for example to to choose among the sorted list the program you want so you do not have to choose among 100 channels if you have 100 channels you just have 6 buttons 7 buttons yeah we should also optimize the number of i think that just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to navigate through the 0 yes so you learn channel program or contents or yeah in an easy way so you do not have to display here you just display on the tv screen right good idea display on the tv screen and just okay with your remote control we will just navigate through the i think that will be revolutionary because all the tv the remote control we have are all numbers lots of buttons and then you do not know what to choose in the end yeah yeah so all right i think for the technical points we have to to check how to gather the data from program contents and all this stuff so we have 5 minutes to we we have sometimes to use the white button 5 minutes another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture okay so i mean if you are watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark some dark scene the lights adapt themselves the lighting in the room changes yeah but we are designing just remote control i mean you have an option in the remote control if you want to have that option you press that button in the remote okay do you want to have a conceptual remote control there or you just want to put the function in if you want to try you go and draw something right i am afraid you forgot to put your lapel or is it the lapel or before the design let us resume what what is it yeah that one this plugin yeah this one before writing you can see it and let us resume what we said then after that you can use the way so the most functional the most important thing button function is to choose buttons to choose the content right we agree on that right okay a 1st one is to buttons it could be anything yeah put buttons to choose content or channel so we have both the user can choose which one they want yeah by content or by channel by content or by channel choose by contents or by channels so and then what did we say just now other than this and we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents okay so technically how the problems how to do it is to how to get the content yeah challenge i think it is not very difficult to browse by channel but it is a little bit tricky to browse by content okay content okay so this we have to work it out so this one problem and i think that is the things to do and to reflect about reflect about it and discuss it in the next meeting we will discuss it we will get some information in the next meeting so for now we get the function this is the functional design aspect right that is the 1st aspect alright we will get information and then we will come back and okay thank you everybody okay so maybe we will meet in maybe 5 5 minutes all right we will discuss the other aspects okay thank you thank you thank you i welcome i am 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[ "IS1007a" ]

[ "right well welcome to the what should be the last of these meetings and it looks like we have done a good job here and we will just go through the the final the final details okay 0 the th the the minutes of the last meeting i think we will take those as read okay the th the the next thing we we we will have a look at the th have a look at the prototypes and look at the evaluation criteria and finance and then just tidy up with production and and then we can close so f if if you would like to present your your proposals okay we basically have the same kinda lay out here it is just you hold it like this and it gets kinda molded to the to the shape of your hand basically on the left we have got the scroll for the volume on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kinda so you can hold it and scroll or you can hold it and and push this is the power key it is kinda like the biggest so you know how to turn on huh that is the little menu key this is the infra red section so you g it will be sending rays and if you are you know pointing it like that it can send it yep yeah good good or if you hold it up like that it will send it we got a microphone there which for all the voice commands so you can you know talk to it like that and it will still understand huh yep right the logo is down down there and has the cover on it and you can see like it just kinda goes the red bit is the cover and it kinda goes over everything and then there is holes for the buttons to come through huh s yep yep and so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic just kind of a light non descript gray so that people will want to buy the covers and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make ipod covers huh yep yep yep so they kinda just stretch over showing me age i do not know what i c ipod covers are like yeah well i i did not know that but yeah they are kind of it is just kind of a rubbery and that way you know spongy like is something that people wanted and it just sort of stretches over and that way i think probably helps protect it a little bit too as well and yeah yeah huh yeah okay yep right but it is also e e easier to put on versus like mobile covers you actually have to screw them on and stuff and you kinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you okay this is very much you should be able to stretch it over yourself and it will be fine yep just kinda stretch it over okay good yeah and it will just stay on and then the buttons come through and so and then the each one of em on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and the r r yeah yeah yep right li that will be the covers as well yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean tha it is it is a detailed point i just wondered i mean h how will people put these down i wonder like that right okay for some strange re reason i had it in my mind that they would put them down vertically but yeah it could stand yeah 0 well we could broaden the broaden it out a bit so it would stand like that yeah no because particularly if they have dif if they are going to have it as a you know as a fashion item i mean it it is it it is just i mean it is just a minor detailed point yeah standing but as you say you can just make the base a little bit bigger and yeah we could just widen it out yeah and it just needs another another logo somewhere is is is is all it gives gives people the option and if if say if they have got them because actually have several upon the could have one for your stereo one for your d v player yeah yeah yeah well yeah have to if we just lengthen it i guess so it comes down to the base of the hand and then flatten it out and could sit there yeah but that that is but no the the the overall the overall concept is yeah yeah no no i mean that is these yeah just kind of or just make it little yeah somewhere like that yeah yeah so it just sort of we might have to lengthen it so it kinda your hand still holds it and have it there yeah yeah yeah like that like that yeah i kinda had a a kinda a natural kind of a idea where it is like more of a kind of like a kinda maybe slightly like thinner yeah yeah bu yeah kinda like that kinda like a flower or a plant for the more natural kinda yeah but yeah but no th but the yeah the the the the final product would actually stand up yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean it it is would not would not do that indeed yeah fall over yeah but th th but th yeah th b the these were all minor minor minor details yeah yeah yeah i think the the basic concept i i is is absolutely bang on and the i it certainly meets our criteria of being of you know looking different yeah is a little longer wee yeah so good that is that that is excellent right let us what is on the next one 0 right yes let us have a look at the f finance now we are given a a clear design brief if i get the spreadsheet up 0 yeah just click there the the maximize button 0 right ah good this is why we need to make these things simple so that the the the the boss can understand now i have this is the company is costing for for various aspects of design and i i i have treated some of these slightly liberally given the constraints placed on us i would not know for in for instance if if they require us to have it in the corporate colors then that is not a special color that is a that is a standard color so we are just simply on batteries the the one th the one decision i have had to make is that we are we will have to find a s a regular standard chip to to do this with and i i i am i am i am certain that they they are around so that i do not think is a a serious problem the the the voice sensor is is expensive but we we made a a basic decision that that was absolutely fundamental to the to the design so that that has to stay then again the the the the shape of the case means that it is it is expensive to l to make cause of the the th the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept we we should exceed the the sales targets it is simply made of plastic so th that is that is no problem and just because the whole the color of the the whole thing that is there is some cost there and we have not actually got a scroll wheel we we we got push buttons and and a simple slider so and the and the the buttons are well i do do not know that they are special color anyway the the costings come in at exactly on target at 125 but i thi i think we have a a very strong case to argue that what what we have got is is so in innovative and and different that any any slight compromise we have to make on on cost is is offset by the you know the you know the the the the concept of it being a a fashion accessory and and having the the interchangeable covers so you know the if if if the management expect us to be techno again fail again technologically innovative that they they have to accept that we we can not operate absolutely within the constraints that they give so we we we present this as the the company is the the company is way forward and i i think we can argue that we we have come in on on budget okay so does anybody want to andrew do you want what do you want to say about the yeah the evaluation where where you know well where where we are where where we are at evaluation the the product or the project the the the well the i meant the product well well my presentation just now yeah sure can i get the 0 sorry yeah cheers more loud clicks in the microphone there we go 0 method of evaluation testing the product was to just if it met all the criteria all the conditions that we set out to set out to solve from the point of view of the the consumer and the management so what i have been asked to do is on the whiteboard gauge our team response to these questions so on a scale of one to 71 being true and 7 being being false 7 being a nice round number to work to yeah and then at the end just take an average tr on for true and 7 for flase yes yes so so look at these questions is the device f flashy and fashionable well i think most definitely yeah i would say definitely a one yeah i think it is yeah so and also technologically innovative yes the voice technology indeed yeah defi yeah yeah yeah easy to use i do not see we could have made it any easier yeah yeah suitable for the consumer that was totally yeah definitely yeah i think it made we met all of the consumer yeah yeah wants is it complicated no no doing pretty well so far are not we functional yeah yeah definitely yeah where are we found easily we have b built in the the speech where are you function yeah i mean that is that is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah huh does it take long to learn to use should not no not at all and what else the r s i compares to the current standards well less buttons so it must be we we yeah it was our it was a we made an actual effort to yeah it is sorta the the handle more ergonomically correct as well yeah yeah so yeah will device appeal to all age groups i think it will because i mean old older people who can not manage the buttons anyway will actually probably like the like like the voice bit so i think so yeah that is a good call yeah well we had the we had the data saying that old people will be less likely to pay extra money but the funct the increased functionality the e ease of use of the device might make up for that and it is it is it is well i do not think we are actually charging a particular premium anyway in the end so i i i think it will tend to appeal more to younger aged groups just cause we have gone with the fashion focus and the younger people tend to would be more conscious of that aspect of it yeah yeah yeah but i think it should still appeal on a certain level to everybody yeah it will appeal f for dif for different reasons but it is it is yeah yeah so i i yeah i yeah i think just the simplicity of it and yeah yeah yeah yeah not having to learn to program and not having you know a 1000000 buttons yeah yeah so i think we can reasonably say it is another another one why not can you just click the my mouse to move onto next page yeah and what h did we make the management is in in in in my interpretation of management is instructions is that yes it it meets the requirement is t it is television only it is it is simple to use yep it is it is it is within budget i it is yes an an any minor points we we we argue under the cost yep so i i think we have done an amazing job in yep okay well done us coming up with what so 1234567891011 11 divided by 11 is one so equals average of one yeah need a need a calculator for that and that roughly concludes my evaluation of the of the product excellent okay nick the cable back then i mixed up the colors a little bit 0 no that is i think i all wrong ooh right do either of you want to say anything before i ps i do not think so i mean i think we worked well together and looked really at what the consumers wanted and what we were trying to make and you know no yeah yeah seemed to discuss things pretty well and come to group consensus and well that is right i mean th this this slide here i mean the satisfaction with room for creativity i mean i think we have allowed ourselves as much creativity as the the the the product allows yeah definitely yeah i will not comment on leadership teamwork i think we have i think everybody is worked pretty well together we have just about coped with the whiteboard and digital pens i think the results speak for itself and new ideas found again gi no given relatively everyday product i think we have v very very effectively come up with a a new yeah yep a new approach are the costs within budget yes is the project evaluated we are we are all happy that it it meets all the criteria yep thank you very much indeed i think that i think that is i think we can go f for an early bath cool thank you alright yeah so i call the meeting closed okay not sure how far ahead of schedule we were there" ]

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[ "right well welcome to the last of these meetings and it looks like we have done a good job here and we will just go through the final details the minutes of the last meeting we will take those as red okay the next thing we will have a look at the prototypes and look at the evaluation criteria and finance and then which is tied up with production and then we can close if you would like to present your proposals okay we basically have the same kind of layout here it is just you hold it like this and it gets kind of molded to the shape of your hand basically on the left we have got the scroll for the volume on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kind of so you can hold it and scroll you can hold it and push this is the power key it is kind of like the biggest you know how to turn it on that is the little menu key this is the infrared section so it will be sending rays and if you are pointing it like that you can send it or if you hold it up like that it will send it we have got a microphone there which for all the voice commands you can talk to it like that and it will still send the logo is down there it has the cover on it and you can see like it just kind of goes the red bits the cover and it kind of goes over everything and then there is holes for the buttons to come through and so we figured it would be kind of you know a lightweight plastic just kind of a light nondescript gray so that people want to buy the covers and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make ipod covers so they kind of just stretch over show me age i do not know what i can yeah but yeah they are kind of it is just kind of a rubbery and that way you know spongy like is something that people wanted and it just sort of stretches over and that way i think probably helps protect it a little bit too as well but it is also easier to put on versus like mobile covers you actually have to screw them on and stuff and you kind of sometimes get something to do that for you this is very much you just be able to stretch it over yourself and it will be fine okay good stay on and then the buttons come through and so and then each one of them on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and that will be on the covers as well yeah yeah i mean it is a detail point i just wonder i mean how will people put these down i wonder right okay i decided to some strange reason i had it in my mind that they put them down vertically but we could broaden the broadened it out a bit so it would stand like that because if they are going to have it as a fashion item yeah it is standing it is just i mean it is just a minor detail point as you say can just make the base a little bit bigger yeah we can just wind it out and it just needs another another logo somewhere is this is is all it just gives people the option and if they have got them if it is actually have several lined up on the yeah yeah we have to we just lengthen it i guess so it comes it down to the base of the hand and then flat but no the the overall the overall concept is somewhere like that yeah yeah no i mean they are just sort of we might you have to lengthen it so it kind of kind of you kind of yeah yeah like that like that like that like like like maybe slightly like there yeah that kind of works more like like a like a flow of a plant yeah but the yeah the so it would be balanced yeah yeah i mean it is a final product would actually stand up yeah but the these will minor minor minor details i think the the basic concept is absolutely bang on this certainly meets our criteria of being they are looking different yeah so good that is that is excellent right let us what is on the next one 0 right yes let us have a look at the finance now we are given a clear design brief if i am not get the spreadsheet up 0 0 0 yeah it is just click there the maximize button 0 right good this is why we need to make these things simple simple so that the boss can understand now i have this is a company is costing for for various aspects of design and i have treated some of these slightly liberally given the constraints placed on us i have for instance if they require us to have it in the corporate colors then that is not a special color that is a standard color so we are just simply on batteries the one the one decision i have had to make is that we will have to find a regular standard chip to do this with and i i am certain that they they are around so that i do not think is a serious problem the the voice sensor is expensive but we made a basic decision that that was absolutely fundamental to the design so that has to stay and again the shape of the case means that it is expensive to make because of the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept we should exceed the sales targets it is simply made of plastic so that is no problem and just because the whole thing the color of the whole thing that is some cost there and we have not actually got a scroll wheel we have got push buttons and the simple slider so and the buttons are i do not know the special color anyway the costings are coming at exactly on target at 125 but i think we have a very strong case to argue that what we have got is so innovative and and different that any any slight compromise we have to make on on cost is offset by the you know the concept of it being a fashion accessory and having the interchangeable covers so the if the management expect us to be taken i am going to say that again and i will fail again technologically innovative that they they have to accept that we can not operate absolutely within the constraints that they give so we we we present this as the company is way forward and i think we can argue that we have coming on on budget okay so does anybody want to say so does anybody want to andrew what do you want to say about the evaluation where we are where where where where we are at the product or the product they did the well the the product and well my presentation just now yeah sure can i get there 0 sorry yeah sure clicks in the microphone there we go well better of evaluation to test in the product was to just see if i met all criteria all the conditions that we set out to solve from the point of the consumer and the management so what i have been asked to do is on the whiteboard engage our team response to these questions so on a scale of 17 being true and 7 being false 7 be a nice round number to work yeah and then at the end it is taken average one for true and 7 for filets yes so look at these so so look at these questions is the device flashy and fashionable well i think most fortunately definitely a one so and also technologically innovative yes with opposed to technology and dive easy to use i do not see if we made it any easier suitable for the consumer totally yeah i think it made me matter made we met all of the consumer yeah is it complicated no no doing pretty well so far functional yeah yeah i am i am well we found easily in some yeah i am built in the speech where are you function yeah yeah yeah it takes long to learn to use should not no not all and what else the rsi compared to the current standards well miss buttons so it must be it was yeah it was it was it was an actual effort to it is sort of the handle more ergonomically correct as well yeah so yeah well device will be able to all age groups i think it will because i mean older people who can not manage the buttons anyway we will actually probably like the voice bit we had the data that start saying that old people will be less likely to pay extra money but the function the increased functionality the ease of use of use of the device might make it come for it is well i do not think we are actually charging a particular premium anyway i think it will tend to appeal more to younger age groups just because we have gone with the fashion focus and the other people tend to would be more conscious of that aspect of it but i think it still appeal on a certain level it will appeal for different reasons yeah i think it is just the simplicity of it yeah yeah not having to learn to program and not having you know a 1000000 buttons i think we can reasonably say it is another one why not you can just click my mouse to move on to next page yeah and what do we meet the mind in my interpretation of management instructions is yes it meets the requirement it is television only it is it is simple to use it is it is within budget it is yes and any any minor points we we argue so i think we have done an amazing job in well done us so 1234567 9 10 11 11 divided by 11 is one so equals average of one i need a calculator for that and that roughly concludes my evaluation of the product i think the cable that is it right right do either of you want to say anything before i yeah i do not think so i mean i think we worked well together and looked really at what the consumers wanted and what we were trying to make and you know seemed to discuss things pretty well and come to group consensus well that is right i mean this slide here i mean the satisfaction with room for creativity i mean i think we have allowed ourselves as much creativity as the product allows moment comment on leadership teamwork i think we have really everybody is worked pretty well together we just about coat with the whiteboard and digital pens i think the results speak for itself new ideas found again you know given relatively everyday product i think we have very effectively come up with a new approach are the costs within budget yes is a project evaluated we are all happy that it meets all the criteria thank you very much indeed thank you i think that is a i think we can go for an early bath so i call the meeting closed okay not sure how far ahead of schedule we were then" ]

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[ "okay so welcome back what do do we have to do so 1st i want to say i am the secretary so i make the minutes you find them in your in the map in the from the group there is the minutes from the 1st meeting you will find the next minutes also there then i want to hear from you what you have done and after that i have some new product requirements so and after that we have to make decisions what we will do and then we are ready we have 40 minutes for this meeting after that we will have lunch so 1st i want to ask the industrial designer to tell what he did that is my task so okay i have where have i put it my documents or not i have save it on my computer my presentation yeah on your computer or the but where what is the name what is the name of it it was about the working of the remote control it is the technical function or the functional requirements nope not a of wait the working design but i have saved it working design but now i do not know where it is working design what is this product documents yeah and i import this until on the desktop up up one more up up up yes my documents nope what the fuck is this gone well you nah nah nah nah powerpoint working design yeah that is the empty one and i had one presentation of working design huh open it okay here it is save as it is desktop project project yeah save okay okay very good well a little later but here it is okay so so okay it is a little difficult what i am going to tell you it is about the working of the remote control i just had an half an hour j to study it and i do not get it make it now have 10 minutes to tell it 10 minutes to tell it okay i think it will be a few minutes and 1st i will tell you something about the findings what i discovered about the remote control okay the working bout it of it then i will have some kind of map and it is the top of the remote control with a little bit of science you i will show that in in a few minutes and then what i will think about it 1st the findings the remote control is a very difficult thing to to explain to just all of you wh who have not seen a remote control inside there is a lot of plastic on it because its not so expensive and there are a lot of wires which connect the components in it the battery and there are switches and things like that there is a lot of small electronics so it will not be too expensive to build it only €12 50 i think we will make it now and here i have the top of the remote control here is some kind of chip on top of this there are the numbers you have all on your remote control and the teletext button and here is the battery and when you push the button it will will be sent to the chip and the chip will send it to all kind of sub components that is what i said it is very difficult and after that it will be sent to the infrared and that will send it to your television that is a short h how it works i think i can make it difficult but we all we all do not get it my preferences it is it will not be we should not make it too big also for the cost we should only put one battery on it a long lasting battery also for the cost use only plastic not other materials also because of the cost not too much buttons on it we can also make a button with a menu button and then that that you will see it on the t v and on the t v you can switch into the menu that is i think it is easier and the bleep signal y you told us but we can also use it a bleep like something when the battery is empty then there is a bleep then you will have to change it in a in a week or something and also the bleep when what i told you about when you lost it and you push a button and then you hear bleep bleep and we will find it this is just yeah 00 2 questions yeah the battery you say one battery is cheaper why if we w if we use only just one small pen light then it will be cheaper than when we use 2 yeah but when you use 2 you can use it 2 times longer yeah but then we will have to make the remote control long lasting okay so it is the size of the remote control just yeah okay and the buttons when you use it on the television you have you need the television wh which can use it yeah but i think this our remote control is for the televisions we we sell in our company s okay or is it also for other company for other televisions i think we have to use it also on other televisions though then this is an option so maybe just a menu button to use it on our televisions and then we make it easier for our televisions and on the other tele televisions you can also use it but then we will not use the yeah but i do not i think it they are 2 different things though we have to choose one it has to work on 0 all televisions yeah okay then i think the menu button will only work on the newer televisions and we will look forward and do not make a remote control which for the older televisions okay and i just have one more idea maybe it is one of your tasks but to have a trendy remote control we can also make something like the nokia mobile phones to change covers so if you have a trendy half with all red yellow and something and then you can put a red cover on it and also different things yeah good idea will this will this add to the cost yes then it will not be will have just one cover on the original one and then you can buy the covers yes but you have to m be able to change it d does it make it more difficult to design i think it will be a little more difficult but not too much not much kay just like with the nokia mobile phones yeah but there are much more nokia telephones than these ones just one yeah but then we will have to to just put 5 covers on it and see if it works if it will not works then we will get something else then we will not g go further with it yeah but are their profits bigger than their cost a p a a cover made in in china it it will not be i guess so expensive i think yeah but there are also design cost i do not think when you have a remote control do you change the cover maybe would you change the cover i wi i will not but maybe i think trendy people or like children where you can paint on it no and the the children think 0 this is my remote control i made a picture on it n yeah but i think that too less people would change it for good profit yeah so okay and the other people what do you think about it yeah it is a good idea but if if it yeah i do not i am not sure if it will make profit enough to but it is yeah it is original idea okay yes it is but i do not think we have to do it no okay you are the project manager okay yes that is it that is clear okay thank you so now the user interface designer 0 that is me come on ah yeah yes well i shall give a short talk about the the technical function design i thought the the the technical function design was to for a remote control to to to have some influence on the t v set both audio and vide video in a cordless way no cords attached and well it all by pushing a button on the remote that was from my own experience and and the previous meeting i find some some interesting quotes on the web well the same idea here message to the television and and and and well basic operations like on and off and switching channels and and maybe teletext or something like that well these are 2 remotes and that is our our dilemma i think we just heard from the industrial designer how difficult it is but shall we make a basic remote control just swapping channels and volume and power button and well nothing much more or more functions on the remote maybe more devices you can influence a radio or a v a video recorder v c r yeah well that is our dilemma any ideas about that basic or multifunctional we will got back on that later okay yeah yeah well the that was just on my mind yes so i did not know what what way we would go yeah well that was my functional talk kay kay thank you then it is your turn the marketing expert okay m yeah yeah okay this bit too far so so i am going to have a presentation about the market about yeah what people think we did a usability lab test with a 100 persons and we looked at several things among them design d d how d did they like the use of it what frustrations they had while using remote controls well what what will be our market and we asked them if we had some new featu features if that would be a good idea or not well our findings our users they disliked the look and feel of current remote controls they especially found found them very ugly and th they also found them hard to to learn how to use it well they also zap a lot so zapping should be very easy and 50% of the users only use 10% of the buttons so a lot of unused buttons there is more findings on the buttons which buttons find users very important and which which not and how much would they use them well the most used button is the channel selection and we asked them how relevant they think the buttons are the power volume and channel selections are very relevant teletext is less relevant but also important not important they found the audio that is not the volume but specific the the pitch or the left or right the screen and the brightness and channel settings th and they also are not used very often then we have a few graphs about the market here we can see what the market share is of several groups as you can see most users are between 36 and 45 the the the younger group between 16 and 25 is not very big and to come back on the the swapping things i do not think i i think the younger will be most interest in it but they are not a very big group in the we asked them how would you like a s a new feature if you have an l c d on the remote control what would you think of it now you can clearly see young users say i will that would very nice and older user think they will be scared of change i think and they will not like it and another thing how would you like to have a speech recognition on it well here we see the same young users think that is an interesting idea and old users not well we found out that there are 2 several markets at which we can aim the 1st are the younger the age between 16 and 45 they are highly interested in the features as you can see here and they are more critical on their money spending the 2nd group is the older group aged between 46 and 65 they are less interested in new features but they spend their money more easily now if we look back at this graph we can see that among the 1st group is about 60% and the 2nd group about 40% so the the 1st group is bigger well then i come to my personal preferences yeah the 1st question is also we have to ask is at the which market do we aim at of course n saying we aim at the young group does not say that old people will not buy it but less of them will buy it well i okay what i thought even young people say it is hard to use remote control so if you make a remote control that is very easy to use that is especially aimed at this group even the young group will also be more interested and we can make special features but i think it looks nice in the 1st time but when use it i do not know what is good thing of speech recognition well th that is my 2nd point less important functions should be discarded from the remote control it is about discussion we had earlier you can find most functions on a t v set so you do not have to have a lot of audio options or screen options to change the brightness and such things well the design is very important one thing i did not say i think is that a lot of users also said then i would buy a good looking remote control if there will be one but they found most remote controls very ugly so the design of our remote control is very important and yeah it should be very zap friendly as most users use it for that that were my findings okay thank you yeah i have one question if we aim for the younger people and there will be a lot of features like l c d or the the the speech f recognizing yes the cost will be a lot of h a lot higher yes i think we do not have that in our budget no do you think no and i do not i do not think €25 for a remote is really cheap or something like no no so it is yeah it is hard to get the younger huh group i think the l c d is cheaper than speech recognition so i think that can be an d good option l c d just the l c d yes only the l c d so but we will come back on that okay now 0 go on what d d d we go back on the decisions later now we have a few new product requirements 1st teletext we have internet now so we do not need the teletext anymore so not necessary next only for the television so we do not look at the other things like the radio or something only the television 3rd we look at the age group of 40 plus no younger than 40 is a g big group and like you showed n not very much people buy our stuff 4th point our corporate color and slogan must be used very important for the design so you can see it on our site next no we have to make our decisions what we want to do so like you said we need the maybe it is good to put it in a document now we have to decide what controls do we need so maybe you can tell us yeah maybe we can 1st have a discussion on the the product requirements you just said sorry the the requirements you just said maybe we should 1st have a discussion about that yes yes it is okay i personally think teletext is a good option not everyone who is looking t v can go to internet when they want to see the latest news yeah but we do not use it it is a new requirement so it is not my requirement kay we will just have to do that we have to do this okay okay no discussion about it okay sorry then no okay unfortunately so what controls do we need who 1st well a power button okay power the well i think separate channels so channel but then both the the separate channels so so 0 to 9 or something channel 0 to 9 volume volume maybe it is easy to pick what was w your one techno mine it is the functional requirements okay we had w no no no no where was that example of the 0 mine johan that was the the the the the technical technical hallo okay what do we need on off 0 to 9 to change to the next channel just one button to move up move down yeah that is the channel d yeah do we make a menu menu yes the n newer televisions ha do have menus m menu i think the only one or 2 numbers yes and hello that is ch i think it will be q quite easy to use to have 4 arrows up down for channel selection and left right for volume yes and a menu button and if you press the menu button you get into the menu and you can use the same buttons but the then to scroll through the menu and to change the options on the l c d screen you mean well yeah that depends on if you have the menu on the t v or you get the menu on the l c d screen on the remote control think it is better to have it on the remote control cause it it has to work on all televisions so yes but then we come to the costs we need n yes but if we have this kay but well if you aim at the younger market a as they as s as we seen in the usability lab they will buy a nice looking remote control and also to find the easy to use part very important so if we have a l c d sh screen and not too many buttons i think that will incre even when it is a bit more cost it will still sell so now we do not have a lot of buttons is this enough mute mute maybe in the menu yeah but then it is always more than one mute thing to do yeah okay maybe more no well then that is all this will be the buttons and i think that is enough for the next phase so we can go on to but now we have only the buttons and we do not yet have to decide what the remote control would look like yes or no that is for the next phase okay phase 2 is the conceptual design so then we will have the concepts okay okay that is for the so next point now we have lunch break after that we have t 30 minutes for work and you can find the minutes in the project documents folder inclusive the buttons no your individual action you can find them in the email so now it is time for lunch okay okay good idea thanks for coming" ]

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[ "so so so frathe so so so let us face so i am gonnae thank you so what do we have to do we have to do so 1st i want to say i am the secretary so i make the minutes you find them in your in the map in the group just the minutes you will find the next minutes also there then i want to hear from you what you have done and after that i have some new products requirements and after that we have to make decisions what we will do and then we are ready we have 40 minutes for this meeting after that we will have lunch so 1st i want to ask the industrial designer to tell what he did that is my task okay where have i put it my documents or not i have saved it on my computer my presentation on your computer or the but where what is the name what is the name of it it was about the working of the remote control the technical function or the functional requirements nope not the kick off the working design i have saved it but now i do not know where it is this project document yeah and i am part of this too 2 desktop up one up up my jacket my jocon no what the fuck it is 0 yeah work in design that is the empty one and i had one presentation working design open it okay here it is save as not chickade desktop okay okay very good a little later but here it is okay so so okay it is a little difficult what i am going to tell you it is about the working of the remote control i just had a half an hour to study it and i do not get it there is 10 minutes to tell it 10 minutes to tell it okay i think it will be a few minutes okay 1st i will tell you something about the findings what i discovered about the remote control the working about it then i will have some kind of map and it is the top of the remote control with a little bit of science i will show it in a few minutes and then what i will think about it 1st the findings the remote control is a very difficult thing to explain to just all of you who have not seen a remote control inside there is a lot of plastic on it because it is not so expensive and there are a lot of wires which connect the components in it the battery and switches and things like that it is a lot of small electronics so it will not be too expensive to build it and the €12 50 i think we will make it and here i have the top of the remote control here is some kind of chip on top of this there are the numbers you will have all on your remote control and the teletext button and here is the battery when you push the button it will be sent to the chip and the chip will send it to all kind of sub components that is what i said it is very difficult and after that it will be sent to infrared and that will send it to your television that is a short how it works i think i can make it difficult but we all do not get it my preferences it will not be we should not make it too big also for the cost we should only put one battery on it a long lasting battery also for the cost use only plastic not other materials also because of the cost not too much buttons on it we can also make a button with a menu button and then that you will see it on a t you will see it on a tv and on the tv you can switch into the menu i think it is easier and the bleep signal you told us but we can also use it a bleep like something when the battery is empty then there is a bleep you know have to change it in a week or something and also the bleep when i told you about when you lost it and you push a button and then you are bleep bleep and we will find it this is just 2 questions the battery you say one battery is cheaper why if we use only just one small panel light then it will be cheaper now when we use 2 when you use 2 you can use it 2 times longer yeah but then we have to make the remote control long lasting just so it is the size of the remote control yeah okay and the buttons when you use it on the television you have you need the television which can use it yeah but i think this our remote control is for the televisions we we sell in our company or is it also for other companies for other televisions i think we have to use it also on other television show then this is an option so maybe just a menu button to use it on our televisions and we make it easier for our televisions and on the other televisions you can also use it but then i think that 2 different things so we have to choose one just to work on all televisions okay then i think the menu button we will only work on the newer televisions and we will look forward and do not make remote control which is for the older televisions okay and i just have one more idea maybe it is one of your tasks but to have a trendy remote control we can also make something like nokia mobile phones to change covers so if you have a trendy house with all red yellow and something then you can put a red cover on it and also different things good idea yes we will just add to the cost then it will not be we will have just one cover on the original one and then you can buy the covers yes but you have to be able to change it does it make it more difficult to design i think it will be a little more difficult but not too much okay just like with the nokia mobile phones much more nokia telephones than this ones yeah but then we will have to just put 5 covers on it and see if it works if it will not works then we will get something else and we will not go further with it yeah but are the profits bigger than the coast a cover made in china will not be so expensive i think yeah but also design costs i do not think when you have a remote control do you change the coffee maybe would you change the coffee i will not but maybe i think trendy people or like children when you can paint on it and the children 0 this is my remote control i made a picture on it i think that 2 less people would change it for good profit so okay the other people do you think about it yeah it is a good idea but if yeah i am not sure if it will make profit enough but it is yeah it is an original idea yes it is but i do not think we have to do it no you are a project man yeah okay yes that is it that is clear okay thank you so now the user interface design come on come on come on come on yes well i shall give a short talk about the technical function design i thought the technical function design was for a remote control to have some influence on a tv set both audio and video in a cordless way no chords attached and well it all by pushing a button on the remote that was from my own experience and the previous meeting i find some interesting quotes on the web well the same well the same idea here message to the television and well basic operations like on and and off and switching channels and maybe tailor text or something like that well these are 2 remotes and that is our our dilemma i think we just heard from the industrial design or how difficult it is but shall we make a basic remote control with just swapping channels and volume and power button and well nothing much more or more functions on the remote maybe more devices you can influence radio or a video recorder vcr yeah well that is our dilemma any ideas about that basic or multifunctional we got back on that later okay yeah yeah well that was just on my mind so i did not know what what way we would go yeah well that was my functional talk okay okay thank you then is your turn the marketing okay okay so i am going to have a presentation about the market about what people think we did a usability lab test with 100 persons and we looked at several things among them design how did they like the use of it what 1st station they had while using remote controls well what will be our market and we asked them if we had some new features if there will be a good idea or not well our findings our users they dislike the look and feel of current remote controls they especially found them very ugly and they also found them hard to to learn how to use it well they also sap a lot so sapping should be very easy and 50% of the users only use 10% of the buttons so a lot of unused buttons there is more findings on the buttons which buttons find users very important and which not and how much should they use them well the most used button is the channel selection and we asked them how relevant they think the business are the power volume and channel selections are very relevant taylor text is less relevant but also important not important they found the audio does not the volume but specific the pitch or the left or white the screen and the brightness and channel settings and they also are not used very often then we have a few graphs about the market here we can see what the market share is of several groups as you can see most users are between 36 and 45 the younger group between 1625 is not very big to come back on the swapping things i do not think i think the younger will be most interested in it but they are not a very big group in the air we asked them how would you like a new feature if you have an lcd on the remote control what would you think of it now you can clearly see young users say from hey i will that would be very nice and all the users think they are scared of change i think they will not like it and another thing how would you like to have speech recognition on it well here we see the same young users think that is an interesting idea and old users not well we found out that i are 2 several markers at which we can aim at the 1st are the younger the age between 16 and 45 they are highly interested in the features as you can see here and they are more critical on their money spending the 2nd group is the older group age between 46 and 65 they are less interested in new features but they spend their money more easily now if we look back at this graph we can see that among the 1st group is about 60% and the sex group about 40% so the 1st group is bigger well then i come to my personal preferences yet the 1st question is also we have to ask is at which mark do we aim at of course saying we aim at the young group does not say that all people will not buy it but less of them will buy it well i okay but i thought even young people say it is hard to use remote control so if you make a remote control that is very easy to use that is especially aimed at this group even the young group will also be more interested and we can make special features but i think it it looks nice in the 1st time but when you use it i do not know what is a good thing of speech recognition well that is a 2nd point less important functions should be discarded from the remote control about discussion we at earlier you can fight most functions on at the v set so you do not have to have a lot of audio options or screen options to change brightness and such things well the design is very important one thing i did not say i think is that a lot of users also said that i would buy a good looking remote control if there would be one but they found most remote controls very ugly so the design of our remote control is very important and it should be very set friendly as most users use it for that that were my findings okay thank you i have one question if we aim for the younger people and there will be a lot of features like lcd or the speech recognizing the cost will be a lot higher yes i think we do not have that in our budget do you think think and i do not think €25 for a remote is really cheap or something so it is yeah it is hard to get the younger i think lcd is cheaper than speech recognition so i think that can be a good option lcd just the lcd yes only the so but we will get back on that okay now we will go back on the decisions later later now we have a few new product requirements 1st teletext we have internet now so we do not need the teletext anymore so not necessary next only for the television so we do not look at other things like the radio or something only the television 3rd we look at the 8th group of 40 plus no younger than 40 big group and like you showed not very much people buy our stuff 4th point our corporate color and slogan must be used very important for the design so you can see it on our side next 0 we have to make our decisions what we want to do so like you said we need the maybe it is good to put it in a document we have to decide what controls do we need so maybe you can tell it maybe you can 1st have a discussion on the project requirements you just said sorry the requirements you just said yes maybe should 1st have a discussion about that yes i personally think teletext is a good option option not everyone who is looking if we can go to internet when they want to see the latest news but we do not use it so you requirements so it is not my requirement we will just have to do that we have to do this okay okay no discussion about and no unfortunately so what controls do we need who 1st power button okay power well i think separate channels but then both the separate channels so 0 to 9 or something 0 to 9 volume maybe it is easy to pick what was your one it is the functional requirements we have 0 no no no no where was that example 0 mine that was the the the the the the technical hello okay what do we need on off 0 to 9 to change to the next channel just one button to move up move down yeah that is the channel do we make a menu menu menu yes the new television do have menus menu i think the only one or 2 numbers yes and and yeah that is i think it will be quite easy to use to have 4 arrows up down for channel selection and left right volume and a menu button and if you press the manage button you get into the menu and you can use the same buttons but to tend to scroll to the menu and change the options on the lcd screen you mean well yeah that depends on if you have the menu on the tv or you get the menu on the lcd screen on the remote control i think it is better to have it on the remote control because it has to work on all televisions so yes but then we come to the cast yes but if we have this but if we aim at the younger market as we see in the usability lab they would buy a nice looking remote control and also to find easy to use part very important so if you have lcd screen and not too many buttons i think that will increase even when it is a bit more cost it will still sell so now we do not have a lot of buttons is this enough mute mute maybe in the menu but then it is always more than one new thing to do okay maybe more no well then that is all that is all this will be the button i think that is enough for the next phase so you can go on to but now we have only the buttons and we do not yet have to decide what the remote control would look like no that is for the next phase okay let me check phase 2 is the conceptual design so then we will have the concepts okay so next point now we have lunch break after that with 30 minutes for work and you can find the minutes in the project document folder inclusive the buttons now you are in the video action you can find them in the email so now it is time for lunch okay okay good idea thanks for coming thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you so we have you a photo that it means that it may be able to the last 0 yeah yeah yeah okay it comes over new 5 and then we will have we yeah yeah i will just have a other way okay okay is good the console are on the computer okay and then you are good the console are on the computer yeah it is good good chim i am going to be" ]

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[ "good beep 0 what so well welcome everyone yeah as you may have noticed i created separate folders because it was tending to get a little busy in our shared project documents folder yeah i do not know if everybody put their own documents in the right folder which is for now the detailed design meeting that is new one we did not make any yeah we should save that one 0 in then i will move this one did not we just do that yeah save in the folder 0 save as project 0 no this is just one big document so you can leave that wherever it is 0 okay and we have a evaluation left here okay agenda well not main documents this time 0 yes i have it open myself i guess well the detailed design meeting huh we are finally getting somewhere hopefully what are we going to do i have opened it already i am still going to take some minutes and if i am right you 2 are going to give a prototype presentation 0 sorry we could are not you yes you are and m did you do something with evaluation criteria yep yep good and we have a correct agenda and then we have to look at something which is less nice the finance aspect whether we can afford what we have designed and if we can we can commence the final part which is the production or project evaluation oops how did we work together and what are the results and how happy are we with those okay well finance will be later now i would like to give the word to you 2 yeah okay get up stand up well we made a prototype just kay we 1st start with the overall this is about the total remote control view we made it green just example color so there is one of the colors we would like to see in our prototype yeah it is a fresh color and the screen light blue 0 this the scroll button and the microphone on the on the sides here under and the r and r logo it just says r and r now but okay any questions so far big microphone yeah just just an idea about how to m th that could also be possible yeah 0 okay that is the place where it is going to be not the size well it is an idea in a so yeah 0 y you perhaps you should make it a bit big so people know it is there and do not forget it to function it it does not really have to be sm big of course yeah okay the microphone could be just a minor hole on the left button of course th yeah small okay we also made some ideas about how the options menu would work using the scroll button on sides y i you push the scroll button and it is claps out if there is a yeah you push the scroll button and a drop down menu or a pull out menu comes out and you get you get the options becoming available for example t v settings remote settings et cetera remote settings et cetera yeah so you can scroll down too with the scroll button as you can see 0 it is here just push it in the menu comes out like this and i it all becomes visible yeah and you could also touch it so that it comes out and and use the the the scroll thing as a with your fingers yeah that is c yeah indeed yes okay it is also nice to see that we made a small menu the options menu becoming available when pressing the scroll button and the opportunity to use the teletext whi which is used which should still be used and we think that it is very handy to put it not under the options menu but in yes in an apart yeah so a separate button for for text okay in a separate button yeah yeah perhaps we should use the teletext sign in p yeah a sign yeah just like okay indeed yeah okay we can modify that later forgot okay would you like to make any comments about next well this is the total interface that f of the l c d screen the numbers which is pretty straight forward we put ano an an extra button in we can erase it but it is the button where you can switch channels just when you are one and you go to 2 you can or if you go to 5 you can go back to one with that button yeah that one yeah previous page yeah indeed it has a name and we put that in i thought it would be handy there 0 my god this the one number or 2 numbers button below that the page and the sound and in the middle the the mute battery indicator it is quite large it is it is a bit big and this is the the on off knop the stand by knop or at least it should look like it and the options of teletext okay you can see very clearly now that the teletext and options menu is not taking much it is taking much part of the screen so it is very when you when you use it does not become irritating to see cause if you put it on the top you always get see the the options menu huh cause people regularly read from left top to right down so yeah well this about it i think okay yeah huh thank you i will put it back on the on the nice green looks good and i just missed when i was typing the r r stands for that is the logo of the yeah logo okay it is th th right now it is only r r but okay well full screen i would have recognized it if it were the right colors of course shit yeah alright sorry kay okay the evaluation criteria huh 0 full screen yeah huh evaluation kay my task was this time to put up a questionnaire by which we can evaluate the design of the remote control by the questions we requirements from the of the users my name my job okay my name my job the methods questionnaire with 7 point scale from one to 7 from true to false like question is remote big enough we can say it is true or it is false by steps right one means absolutely not true 7 means true yeah the 3 important things of refa are from th of this year is are is the remote control fancy enough sorry you used the powerpoint yeah is it in innovative enough and is it easy enough to use and then evaluation itself what so bling okay yeah 1st question is the design fancy enough well project manager what do you think well it is looks fancy especially with the green color yeah but does it and the the curves which we decided huh yeah only what happened to the single curve we spoke about last meeting now the single curved idea was it 0 it is in the background 0 yeah okay you ge y you should make a sideways view yeah the sideways view that that that ma it will be i guess 0 we can ho not that pen not that pen 0 g i would smart board well it might work one time huh can i draw here or suppose so think ooh ah yeah yeah you can 0 my god it works so it would be something like this from the side but with a bit of curve here right yeah that is the single curve indeed yeah so if you v flip it like this yep okay here is yeah that is not very i it is also very handy if you make a side curve way to make the the remote control very thin at the bottom at a bottom at a bottom make it rather thick on the top because on the top it has the screen which takes in some space and the batteries can be located over there so yeah so you just make the back of this part a bit bigger so that it lays a bit 0 yeah is not going to be a little bit heavy at the top yeah that is a bit of problem maybe no with 2 batteries the whole print plate and t and top and if you are holding it quite a lot i think yeah i think yeah the battery should be in here because it is just nothing so if you could yeah yeah okay indeed yeah yeah cause otherwise i think i okay but we have to rate these things now yeah we have to rate is it fancy enough okay true is one false is 7 so fancy enough means does it comes to the younger people and the elder people i think it does i think so i think i if you do not make it green then the elder people will not will not like it it is pretty fancy yeah i have to agree all the color colors don don does not matter that m that much now it is only design you get th yeah i think it does yeah and the design well i think especially because of the microphone and the l c d screen also yeah yeah i do not know whether older people will use it but very new thing well so fancy the old people will i would make it a 2 or something a 2 yeah it is true it is a one huh alright it is a one very fancy 0 it is a one no it is a 2 little bit strange we have to judge that ourselves huh yeah i n used i wouldn i should use that one but it does not yeah but it is a one maybe okay no it is 2 true is a one yeah very true is it very true or is not that true well i would say 2 on a scale well they think it is very true but it is very true because we designed it to be very fancy so yeah i think 2 yeah but it is very fancy i think we should perhaps have you ever seen a remote control like this no okay well that is true no okay so so it is fancy that is fancy enough that not yeah then okay 12 that does not matter that much so make it a one okay yeah let us give it a 2 is it innovative i think it is because it has an l c d screen a mi microphone enough yeah m and the scroll is rubber so s we have for the search function it is from rubber yeah the scroller a bit i think it is it is a one yeah eno enough to i think it is a one i think true also huh huh the buttons are they easy to find that was a big requirement of the old people yeah because they are right on your screen so you can use the b the the arrows huh they are right on your screen so i do not know where you would search with the ones are all the buttons easy to find yeah not only this buttons all the buttons well i think they are the options are it little bit harder but if you touch the options then it is yeah take a harder look yeah sure i think th it is it is easier than the regular remote control easy t yeah i think this is easy now yeah and you use these buttons the most huh i think th i think the options buttons are not the the easiest way to to yeah so no they are not but they are they are they are easy to find to handle true i would rate it a yeah they are a lot easier to find than th than on the regular remote controls where you have to find out what which sign or icon means on every button 0 yeah okay that is true that is true yeah so you have t you have to use the the the manual to understand most yeah so which but that is that is vantage of l c d screen you can have text so which number are we going to fill in i would say yeah i think it is it is a 2 at least yeah yeah you can make it a 2 a 2 yeah 23 and what do you think yeah it is not perfect but i think it is a 3 a 3 okay so we have 223 and why is that i personally think because i d i do not think i maybe it is easy to use it has to be easy to find right away i i think if you have the button at the right i do not think you can find the option button that easy yeah but you do not have t have to use the button on the right you can touch it you can touch it yeah it said bo both the options you you can touch options yeah okay but you have y then you have here s written option on here the teletext button right yeah yeah okay then okay good then i think also 2 yeah you can touch options and it is comes out a 2 okay because we have to yep a 2 a 2 the the below it is the box below it huh the next question the next question 0 my god otherwise we have 2 results in one question it is different okay next question it is easy to use as well for younger as elderl elderly people for young people i think it is easy to use young means 16 to 40 years yeah i was yeah and elderly from 48 to their death yeah i think it is i think it is the most useful remote control ever to be manufactured in the entire mankind okay you are very enthusiastic about your own design huh also if you are 60 years old yeah but because it has the regular controls li as you can see in the screen now and you do not have all the other options always on your screen so it is t i think it is really easy to use yeah you want these options to also as well for the for the older people yeah as well as your if you are fif 60 years old you are holding one of those things in your hand sure yeah but yeah but they they do not want the extra options right no but we are going to th make this f for a all kind of people so it it it has to be so and would it be easy for them to use the speech recognition yeah okay but so they could i think it is if they read a manual because that might yeah if you read the manual always okay well perhaps that is one of the most yeah alright m maybe that is the most user friendly and easy to use because it it is not it is not it is it is not difficult because a lot of you say you say record to to the to the speech recognition then you say the question and the answer channel one channel 4 yeah and that is everything it does the speech recognition yeah well maybe that would make it even more easy to use for them yeah i think it would make it yeah i think it does so because all the people who can not i would make it 2 also 2 yeah a 2 not a 7 for this sure 2 3 0 i would say 3 i would also say 3 0 okay so we have 3322 or you 2 0 well so what are we going to do 25 okay a 3 i see give me more 3 no another question remotes overwhelmed with buttons no no no no that that is that is yeah but i mean that is definitely one tha that is a one i think that is definitely a one that is definitely our 0 nee 07 is it it is no 0 yeah yeah the remote score a false yeah yeah yeah but i think you should make it one scale with with one being good and 7 being bad yeah i think is not this has to be something like is not overwhelmed because otherwise we can not calculate anything from the results so it is not overwhelmed yeah yeah indeed true okay a one because we designed for that huh yep remote control has colors that different that meet different target groups yes cause we make them in different colors so that they yeah yeah is optional yeah that is true yeah and i though w we had about single colors but you can also make a wood color not just one single color but a wood like thing can not you yeah huh that it that it looks like wood like something yeah also with rubber i think you can whether it looks like wood it is not w it is not wood but yeah okay it it feels like rubber but you can make a print on rubber can not you yeah yeah yeah well but then when you scratch it it does come off so that is a one then huh that is a one okay yeah it is it is harder to so that is a bit do you have many questions i have to like 0 okay well 0 we have time geez yeah but we have we also we have to get to the money we are getting paid we are getting paid the material used is spongy that that is that is a one that is m rubber what what spongy yeah yeah it is very spongy yeah i th think it is not the most spongy thing 0 but not it is not very spongy because it is hard rubber i think it is a 3 yeah it is a 3 because you want to make it rather flexible but not too flexible because it has a l c d screen yeah huh yeah hard but yeah you can break it yeah remote control is hard to lose hard to lose yeah it sh and it is easy to find y yeah you could you could call it y you can not you can not lose it if you are 60 years old if 1st time see the thing you didn did not adjust set the microphone and then you lose it then you have lost it yeah y you can lose it but it is not hard to lose it is not hard no i think i think this is a 2 personally 2 that it is hard to lose no yeah it it is there is the it is a 6 you think is not hard to lose yeah so is not hard to lose you is not hard to lose yeah is not hard to lose so it is a 2 yeah you can lose it so i do not you can make it a 3 i yeah you can not lose it it does have an a built in function or if you are you are 60 years old your demands yeah but a har a hard to lose is good so it should this question should be hard to lose nee hard to lose it is difficult to lose it 0 right yeah this this is hard to lose it is hard to lose yeah so then this is it is almost true so a 2 this i think yeah i think also a 2 a 2 2 yeah okay and most all because of the option to whoa huh ooh yeah it is okay that happens above also 0 but maybe when you scroll away and back it will be normal but yeah 0 okay yep no 0 it is not well okay 0 well it does not put the cor cursor on the remember okay okay okay remote control mainly be sold to younger people click true i think it will yeah yeah true true very true yeah well i a a 2 no i do not think very true because the colors there we have the colors we have the buttons is are not that that much materials yeah nah the material is not that it is it is much more younger okay so i don i think i think it is a 3 so ma make it make it a 2 well i think it is it is a lower number so better because w we designed it for young people especially did not we yeah yeah but i i think it is a 2 but okay okay what do you think i think because yeah questions a 2 i think it is 2 2 i think it is 2 too 2 too too huh 222 let us make everything a 2 in the features dissatisfy younger people younger people it has well perhaps not what did because younger peoples are cr critical and they wanted a lot of features on this thing yeah well that it does not well n not exactly but if it had some games on it or something like that yeah bu but but it is for a remote control i think it i it would satisfy those needs i think they like the speech yeah the speech possibility the colors you could call to your yeah and the screen yeah l c d screen and scroll scroll options yeah i i think they will be quite met with their expectations yeah but those are more fancy functions not not really many features or something right that that that those are features no it has relatively few features with it is 3 features basically the l c d touch screen is feature yeah the microphone is a feature no are not the features the microphone is feature and that you can change the channel is feature and that you can change the volume is feature and that you can change the options of the remote something like that yeah yeah okay ours had other features with i think yeah and then you have the audio settings channel setting video settings yeah the easy volume up button those are features remote younger people usually use the remote control to put on the volume yeah yeah turn turn up the volume so i have chos i shou i think it is it is it is a one enough features personally yeah i think once you have cause you have the channel features b you have the screen features audio features the you have all buttons on it which you would like microphone extra l c d screen extra scroll thing extra yeah okay you think one what do you think i think 2 or 3 you 3 yeah 2 i would say 3 so 2 it is then or yeah yeah a 2 a 2 make it make it a 2 123 or make it a fucking 2 just another 2 we like 2 right you can see the remote control is r and r yeah there is r and r in front yeah yep it is not the color so maybe you should make 2 but it has r and r has 0 yeah do did have nah y you have the black one and we will probably make also a yellow one yeah yeah but not r and r yellow i think yeah yeah maybe maybe 2 well m th but the logo is on on the front so a 2 yeah that is maybe 2 okay true yeah one d on i it is the colors and the x marks spot and the menu is avail that is available is easy to use i think it is but i do not know what you think i think it is easier to use than a regular remote control because when you push on the options menu yeah tha that is so true you get the the the various options entirely explained entirely explained instead of just finding out what an icon means on a button yeah and you can navigate easier because wi with the you have to push the the the arrows and with a normal t v remote yeah you can navigate i think that wou that would be quite hard to learn to use it you are not satisfied okay no i am not not convinc let us start over again then yeah let us make a different remote let us go th for i think it would be a t yeah 2 well menu a 2 now lower a 2 0 well that is that is pretty good huh we only have 2s 0 yeah i think so yeah just 2s so okay we have 13 a one that that have to got up and 3 13 and a few ones 23s 22222 we m mostly have 2s so it is pretty good so 2 yeah the average is a 2 yeah that is quite good the average yeah i think so too in my opinion yeah i think so that we can be happy ooh save ooh yeah what is it it is like a bug or something it is a fly a fly yeah 0 m a f butterfly top yeah that is it okay that was your evaluation show okay so we do not have to calculate anything because of these results yes sure no it is 2 okay good the average is 2 it is good let us see 0 it is not asked to save but it did already yeah yeah yeah i i saved it exactly and this everything okay well the next part might be a little bit difficult to do in a group but i am willing to try it because we are going to look at the finance and i have a nice excel sheet to do that yeah redesign and i am not sure if i put it in the project folder no look on that and we are going to calculate the production costs and if they are under or at €12 50 yeah we are good and if they are not we are going to re design but we have to do that very very quick i think yes yeah so we are going to erase features or something i do not know if i do you have the cost or put the excel sheet in the let us hope n not in the f €55 we are going to be here at 80 clock folder i think it is i think it is still in my own documents folder we are goin still going to be here at 80 clock no i doubt it 0 shit perhaps we have got features that do not exist in the excel sheet yeah yeah maybe so no it was in my my information so the microphone yeah it i it was not too much yeah yeah maybe you are going scrap scrap it as well as the l c d screen whoa okay well this is it well if it does not work maybe i could ask one of you to fill it in so that i can also take minutes i want to fill it in but no prob and maybe the other can use that thing to count numerous functions ah but you should direct count it li like write it be well we have to count some things and we have to think about some things count it but you have to fill in this column huh you got excel to count the number of no count number of functions because for every button you have to pay and there are different screen shots 0 okay well i dra danny danny i will do that because i draw the ah okay cool so or different different screens so huh yeah 0 yea yeah you design it we have got a battery one or t 2 batteries or not nee one battery with 2 small batteries yeah yeah but it is it is more about the energy source huh do you use a hand dynamo a battery kinetic or solar cells yeah i would do a battery we do solar cell right no it took a battery a battery we will wait no no solar cell no no no no one battery right yeah no hand dynamo yeah electronics simple chip advanced chip right hand we have no we have sample speaker on advanced chip but b al but we also have sample speaker do yeah yeah yeah so this one and this one we ha we have single what 0 we already on 9 are we 0 yay we have double curved the single single nee single curved single double curved was see ju 3 dimensional but it is not 3 dimensional it is not curved in a l this one is 0 the the it is not going to work people we have rubber this one is curved like this right i will just fill it in it is curved like this no no no single curved is like this rubber indeed yeah bu what that is the only curve you made not th curved like that that is 0 but we have curves like it and it there are 2 curves right 13 0 okay i understand i understand huh with a scroll wheel right rubber yeah is he integrated no eh i do not know push button yeah we got to integrate scroll wheel and push button because when you push it and you w it will not just pu makes possible to s no we do not have push button 0 yeah right we want it to it is not it is not no l c d display not going to work okay yep 150 too bad okay 0 but with special color we have a special form right but now button supplements we do not got the button supplements 0 we do not have any buttons so yeah we need to 185 damn we have to lower it with 6 points damn no we have 15 and 0 right okay 12 and half we could lose the curve nah we could use yeah i would lose the curve we could lose the scroll wheel you could make it just a regular scroll wheel but you can not push it so you have to tap yeah if you can not push it you have to tap the the options window button here and then scroll down with the d with with the button yeah alright yeah i think that will be so normal scroll wheel our best bet normal scroll wheel and i think we should lose the curve i think we should scrap the sample speaker lose it is 4 pri it 4 units yeah but if you would i it is a new feature it it is something special okay so we do not exactly need the single we do not need a curve but w d wha no the curve does not really is possible to lose curve curved then it will be square no then it will will not stand up from the table okay then it would just was that does that mean to it single curve yeah that is meant with scr with s curve yeah the curve is in a dimension okay if you make it a flat one s n it is no curve you got no curves so we would lose this one yeah but tha that that only is one yeah okay yeah we could s yeah a bit no 2 no one 163 0 okay indeed so we do not yeah we also have to so we still is it possible to make could could we do it on a regular chip on print or something no otherwise we do not have an l c d screen no ma y you just can not do that or no and what did you change you changed the scroll wheel and we changed th yeah and the single curved to uncurved single curved 0 but it is just one flat yeah so that does does not does not that mu i think point so maybe you should should no scrap sample speaker yeah you should you should drop the speech recognition that that is the sample speaker is 2 d wait f s 4 points yeah but it is t yes 4 points yeah but it is it it is a new feature it is something special and then you can keep the curve or can not you yeah becau when you lose the yeah but what what else what else do you want to scrap f you have to we have to scrap 4 points i do not know yeah that is difficult yeah or make it on a hand dynamo but i do not think that will work yeah ma make it with wood instead of rubber no that is no make it w when you made it a remote control of wood we could make it titanium instead of rubber you do not make a remote control of ah yeah it it i yeah it also it also takes one point less yeah yeah but a wooden remote control only helps for old people we discussed yes 0 0 can i ask something what is special color yeah is that the wood wood this we have to have that one too i think it is it is not what yeah yeah but it is only a half but i think the only option is to drop the sample speaker yeah sample speaker to knock the sample speaker yeah and sample sensor th then we still have too much yeah okay 3 if we use the but m yeah course but what we will have 3 yeah we we scrap that one huh let us make it 13 or 14 12 see a po 3 we need 3 that is a scroll wheel it is a color do not make it wood a color yeah but a wood we can make it brown dark brown not wood make it yeah but it is it is special color is it yeah special colors fruity colors a all kind of colors it is also green or is it also no that that is just normal color fruit colors yeah normal colors yellow yeah but it is a special color than just rubber color you have to add something to the rubber to make it green yeah you do not say here is green rubber they do not sell green rubber plants yeah but then i d i do not think we can ever make to a 12 and half alright yeah you can you should you have to lose but then we have to scrap l c d display we have to scrap no it is the scroll wheel i guess no no no s advanced chip no then we have to scrap everything we got because how many colors we going to make 5 if we lose the scroll wheel and make it totally depending dependent on the touch screen then we have 2 s touch a push yeah then it is possible to make then we can make add 2 colors on it and then you can and then you can add to the colors yeah 2 colors it special c okay if you lose if you lose the switch colors it was such a great idea you lose this one you got 115 and you make i and then you can make the spec single curve for example they can add 2 colors but the colors how ma the colors like l she told is that all the colors we add or how d how many colors what do you mean special colors all the colors you want because you want to make p yeah but we we we are we have yellow red black titanium yeah but when you use more than one color it is a special color ah okay 0 but i think when you use the color that is not originally the rubber then you use special color cause you have to add it i suppose yeah yeah but the rubbers alls original black yeah so you always lose the special color you co you could make it always black like normal remote yeah b yeah but we are going to make it yellow red and then you add you have 2 special colors on top of the one we have now nee we we also want to make ano another color 0 right yeah yeah we should u yeah yeah but m we have to make this like 4 or 5 or something yeah because we have more colors than only black that is what it means yeah but is not it per remote that you pay yeah i then i think i p i don i do not think they me mean they are special 0 right yeah half is it per remote i think you pay half per remote yeah yeah that is right and you one color per remote so each remote with a special color yeah indeed yeah so then it is one you do not need 4 of those 4 of those special colors in one in one remote yeah okay okay true true true no i hope we have 2 points spare so the battery we have advanced chip on print nee one point one so it would be curved single curve because of thing yeah well you can at least make it curved again or not so y you just can not make a nice remote yeah single curve because that was very important huh it is too bad for the speaker so it is curved it is still that so we we dropped the speech recognition together with the speaker should we change that tha that that is a one if not or not yep we dropped the scroll wheel could you copy it and make it and the rest is the same huh y yea the scroll wheel is dropped am i right yes the entire yep huh perhaps you can then copy page or so ooh no okay 0 you you made the entire could you undo undo undo 0 not well so kay 20 minutes would you by the perhaps you can save this one and then copy or something add it copy page select all no but you c yeah alright something went wrong tap okay but this this new remote we can afford it does not work let us forget it should have work okay so you had this list at start alright no i had not when did you receive this list i just received it ah okay yeah 0 ignore that they do not work so hard at the finance department ah okay well so i suppose this is a okay so we lose the scroll wheel the s too bad yeah the microphone yeah and that is it yeah and the microphone a and we changed something i guess or not we 0 no yep okay €12 50 and did you try to make a new design or what were you trying to do yeah i tried to copy that one but it did not work it did not work so we could fix it like tha that it is like this strange you could select it all but then you can not erase strange 0 you can arrange you can only re erase erase 0 when you saw th li earlier when we selected it w i could not erase anything no can not you then just say copy bling new page paste yes ah select none just tap somewhere just tap somewhere just up somewhere b besides it right okay and now you can erase yeah i do not think i can but we can try we already try well it should be possible 0 yeah no ha ha 0 no well you can draw over it with white pen no yeah we tried it earlier 0 it is very much work yeah sorry well but that is also useful for the evaluation because i think we have a prototype now which we can afford and we only need to draw a little bit to get a good evaluation drops design doodle and i think we should then move on to the production evaluation because of the time and erase the mic yeah goodbye mic all i need is no mic let us see we can save this now 0 i already erased half of the line bon chance and move back to here too bad 0 like this still looks nice and then all green okay well thank you 0 that is erase looks like a ipod 0 no no add hey but you can erase that yeah that is a bit weird yeah 0 0 now i am line s difference between lines and text and the pen yeah 0 right all i need is mic and you can not erase this strange no it is weird okay well just leave it at this and quickly save station page and then we are going to the project or product evaluation huh looks fucking boring now we just did our project evaluation well i think i can sit for that since it is almost my final slide what did you think about the process how satisfied are we deadlines were sometimes very short yeah bu but stressful but and stressful you think no my presentation is not ready yeah i think we it should be b it would be better if we worked a little bit together yeah now we worked through each other something he said yeah and you had information i also had yeah and you could ask things yeah you had information i did not have and then 0 right so some some things i had in my presentation they already told so yeah yeah yeah and for me it sometimes was a surprise who was going to present what huh yeah and so yeah that i do not think that is the best way to work at for such project yeah no so you would say communicate during our individual work yeah no or maybe session of 5 minutes together or something and then work separate yeah but but why not work here together for example yeah yeah you could why should we be separated from each other in those difference different rooms yeah yeah yeah well probably to simulate the whole working process huh th you can not have a meeting for several weeks i think so too yeah yeah but then you can work together too when yeah m yeah like she told then you can work together too by mail or by i dunno chat something but now we are completely separated from each other huh 0 right no a chat would also be i do not think that was the best way but but the technology was fantastic yeah the technology is okay well i i do not really like the board it does not really work great work now yeah okay but i don i do i think becau that is because sometimes i think perhaps it is e it does work but sometimes it does not erase or it does not yeah perhaps it is easier to get one of those dig digital pens or so and to and lay it next to that keyboard over there yeah yeah so you can draw see it over th on the screen yeah like the f like a plotters or something yeah yeah yeah yep yep yep yep yep so you do not think the smartboard is is really useful or but it is useful but not m well it is useful but it does not really work all the time yeah it is useful but no because when you put this pen on the screen for exam and line is d being drawn at at 2 or 3 centimeters below th the pen does not the line is a bit off yeah so it is maybe a bit unnatural also yep alright yeah you can point to where you want the line to be but the project because of the deadlines you did not had the time to have you did not have time to to make a very qualitati qualitative presentation yeah so you used this the different powerpoint presentations in which you put your material in the 0 that was not me was not me yeah so the means we discussed the smart board and what about this digital pen i i did not use it at all i i used it it it was you can use it it is quite handy i think yeah well i use it as a a normal pen and and and only you use it to get it on the computer huh but i did not i yeah i used it to y to yeah it did work pretty well i used it too but 0 well i did not use yeah i do not think why you would want to use it actually but it it does work yeah because it shou no yeah to make some designs it is very easy yeah it is it is yeah it is easy for to design something and then load it in your computer yeah yeah and then you can show it to everybody yeah but to write it th yeah yeah it is b bi little bit too big to write it does not really write normally it is a bit yeah it is too big it is too fat yeah yeah yeah fat document those okay and what about the teamwork team work was okay i think it was great yeah yeah yeah well i think so too only thing that we worked through past each other we right yeah but that was it was our assignment huh with some things that was only problem but yeah but it was because we did not yeah yeah yeah yeah but furthermore better okay and maybe i should walk out of the room when you discuss this point the leadership that is yeah no prob i thought it was good but yeah yeah ah yeah well okay yeah not too much not too too too too yeah yeah okay and creativity well when we look at this i would say we have been creative huh but well yeah or the room for it was the idea to be creative so there was room for yeah you got some standard ideas in your head and this what came out and you get get stuff from the from the computer but yeah the information was sometimes a little bit too late or little bit lo yeah yeah too late it it it took a lot of time before you got your ema yeah you just sit there for 10 minutes yeah yeah where is that email i played i think 7 times solitaire something 0 did you you did well i did not have time for that is it on there wha is it on there i did not find the did not look but i did not look but at some times i sometimes i received like like 5 emails at at one moment and then 0 right it is there was searching and searching no i i never got that i got like one email after 10 minutes or something i always n yeah i even got spam or something like that that is what we said so does this i think lik 0 and information was a bit low i think and it not a lot sometimes in in in in the beginning i did not understand what what to do no the 1st one no w i did not know yeah like i with with the remote and i never new we have t we had to yeah made a made a rec a remote control i did not know make a r yeah nee and i did not know what to do for the 1st 10 minutes before we got here so i went right yeah so yeah no stepping on the table and then looking at the internet page yeah and i was working and working and work okay well but after all we can say we are satisfied but it it could have been better just looking at the screen and no so yeah yeah when we get when we have we would have gotten more information yeah an yeah more information about the costs faster yeah yeah that will be handy 1st of all i did not think that we were able to make an l c d screen 1st point but it was possible yeah yeah yeah it only costs 4 units yeah yea so tha actually you could make an l c d screen but no mic or it could make mic but no l c d screen when you look at that yeah yeah that was a bit mean to put it in the end yeah yeah and what were the other points to to improve this whole process i dunno yeah think that is about it nothing i think we got it already heavier less heavy laptops yeah they are pretty heavy yeah faster laptop yeah but that is not really they were they were just fine and furthermore the the the network was okay yeah everything you loaded was also yeah everything worked av available there right and so more time w might have improved the the quality of work is what you say so yeah yeah okay yeah but that it is now half past 4 half past 3 so yeah but it is just the the off hours between that you will work alone yeah okay yeah okay then it pops up pop up screen came hm 5 minutes in the meeting yeah no okay so more time during the individual work phases huh okay well i just got my warning for the last 5 minutes you did so i will move on to i guess my last slide yes which is the closing well well we managed but we did it very quickly i do not know if that is the best way to when it is not is it when it is too expensive to quickly re arrange it and say okay 0 right this is it but we had to do it huh because we have to have a design and that is within the budget well and we evaluated maybe we should re evaluate the product but we did that before and we also evaluated the project and i think everybody is very happy at least i am with the results so celebration well yeah yeah for the 3 of you because i have to write the final report now champagne yeah but well thank you very much for your co operation and i had a very nice day so far yeah sure no prob 0 thank you okay do we get another email bling i think you do you are fired i i think we have to fill in a questionnaire again but yeah i have t i think we also have to go to our own rooms again but well i at least we do but maybe you can try to make a screen shot of this so i can try to include it in the final report yeah th that that one you cannot you can save it yeah maybe you can just yeah but it is it is not a picture or well is it wants to but at least this one i know we should remove this but it will not h you s file save as the j peg j peg okay and please put it in the project folder then huh can you find it as a j peg no no is not possible but you can make a screen shot i think okay well i no no i hereby officially close the meeting and i hope to see you soon yeah okay in in about 5 minutes 0 export well i think we will be a bit a bit longer but okay ah well happy celebration huh 0 thank you images whoo hoo celebra or should not i let us let us have party how big do you want the images let us have some fun how big huh yeah not too big this one whatever you think is good 600 no i yeah no that is 1024 i think 80600 is better this one yeah yeah if it browse nah name desktop well it is not on the desktop hey i do not know you can only save it in my documents 0 0 my god yeah 0 0 alright yeah okay yeah yeah 3 10 can we stay here yeah 10 yeah okay yeah alright why can not we stay here alright yeah celebration time come on 0 0 peace out nigger entree" ]

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[ "good so well welcome everyone as you may have noticed i created separate folders because it was getting a little busy in our shared project documents folder i do not know if everybody put their own documents in the right folder which is for now a detailed design meeting that is a new one we did not make any yeah 0 we should say that one 0 i will move did not we just do that yeah safe in the folder 0 no this is just one big document so you can leave that whatever it is 0 okay and we have an evaluation okay agenda well not made documents this time 0 yes i have it open myself i guess well the detailed design meeting we are finally getting somewhere hopefully what are we going to do i have opened it already i am still going to take some minutes and if i am right you 2 are going to give a prototype presentation no we are good are not you yes sir and did you do something with evaluation criteria yeah good we have a correct agenda and then we have to look at something which is less nice the finance aspect where we can afford what we have designed and if we can we can commence the final part which is the production or project evaluation how did we work together and what are the results and how happy are we with those okay well finance later now i have to give you too yeah okay okay we made a prototype we 1st start with the overall this is about the total remote control we made it green just an example color so that is one of the colors we would like to see in our prototype and the screen light blue so this is the scroll button and the microphone on the side here under and the r r logo just says r r and but okay any questions so far big microphone big mark yeah just just an idea about how i do not know that could also be possible as well absolutely some some idea in that maybe you should make it a bit big so people know it is there and do not forget it to function it it does not really have to be small big of course yeah okay the microphone could be just the minor a whole on the left button okay we also made some ideas about how the options menu would work using the scroll button on the sides you push the scroll button and it claps out and drop down menu or a pull out menu comes out and you get the options becoming available for example tv settings remote settings remote settings etc so you can scroll down to the scroll button as you can see it is here just push it in the menu comes out like this and it all becomes visible you could also touch it so that it comes out and use the scroll thing as a which you finish indeed okay it is also nice to see that we made a small menu menu the options menu becoming available when pressing the scroll button and the opportunity to use the teletext which is used which is still be used and we think that it is very handy to put it not under the options menu but in an in an apart a separate button yeah but we should use the teletext sign a sign yeah just like okay indeed okay we can and then modify that layer okay should like to make any comments about next well this is the total interface of the lcd screen the numbers which is pretty straightforward we put an extra button in we can erase it but it is the button where you can switch channels when you are on one and you go to 2 you can or you go to 5 you can go back to one with that button prove your speech yeah it has an area we put that in thought it would be handy here this is the one number 2 numbers button below that the page and the sound and in the middle the mute battery indicator it is a big and this is the on off the standby or at least it should look like it and the options teletext you can see very clearly now that the teletext and options menu is not taking much part of the screen so it is very when you usually does not become irritating to see because if you put it on the top you always get to see the options menu because people regularly read from left to top to right down yeah well it is about it i think okay yeah thank you i will put it back on the and i just missed when i was typing the rr stands for that is the logo of the right now it is only rr but full screen i would have recognized the japanese of the right colors sorry okay evaluation criteria evaluation evaluation okay my task was this time to put up a questionnaire by which we can evaluate the sign of the remote control by the questions requirements of the users my name my job my name my job methods questionaire with 7 point skill from one to 7 from true to false like a question is remote big enough we can say it is true or is false by steps one means absolutely not true 7 means true the 3 important things of the 5 points of this year is are is the remote control fancy enough is it innovative enough and is it easy enough to use and then the evaluation itself 0 wait so okay 1st question is the design fancy enough project manager what do you think well it looks fancy especially with the green color but does it and the curves which we decided yeah only what happened to the single curve no the single curve idea was yeah okay you could you should make a sideway view it would be i guess 0 not that pen not that pen smartboard can i draw i suppose so 0 my god it works something like this from the side but with a bit of a curve here right yeah that is a single curve indeed so if you flip it like this okay it is not very it is also very handy if you make a side curve way to make the remote control very thin at the bottom at the bottom at the bottom and make it rather thick on the top because on the top it has the screen which takes it in some space and the batteries can be located over there so just make the back of this part a bit bigger so that it lays the top yeah it is going to be a little bit heavy at the top let us hope now now with 2 batteries the whole print plate at the top and if you are holding it quite a lot i think the battery should be in here because it is just nothing yeah if you put okay and indeed yeah okay but we have to rate yeah we have to rate is this sound finished enough 2 is one false to 7 so fancy enough means does it comes to the younger people and the elderly people i think it is i think so if you do not make it green then the other people yeah you have to green all the colors do not get that much now it is only designed i think it does yeah and it design well especially because of the microphone and the lcd screen i do not know whether older people will use it well so fence i would make it a 2 or something a 2 yeah it is true it is a one all right it is a one it is a one it is a one a little bit strange we have to just that ourselves yeah i should use that one but it does not but it is a one okay no it is true true is it one very true is it very true or is not that true well i think it is very true it is very true because we designed it to be very fancy so it is very fancy i think have you ever seen a remote control like this no okay okay so it is fancy yeah okay 12 that does not matter that one okay let us give it it to is it innovative i think it is because it has an lsd a microphone and a search phone rubber it is not rubber it is just you know enough of this can be it is a one yeah true also the buttons are easy to find that was a big requirement of the old people yeah because they are right on your screen so you can use the they are right on your free so i do not know where you all the buttons easy to find not only this buttons all the buttons well i think they are the options are a little bit harder but if you take the harder yeah sure i think this it is easier than the regular remote control i think the options buttons are not the easiest way to no they are not but they are easy to find true they are a lot easier to find than then on the regular remote controls where you have to find out what which sign or icon means on every button that is true so you have to use the manual to understand the most which number are we going i think it is a 2 at least yeah it is not perfect but i think it is a 3 3 and why is that personally think because i do not think it maybe it is easy to use it has to be easy to find right away i think if you have the button at the right i do not think you can find the option button that is easy to use the button and right you can touch it yeah it is that both both yeah okay but you have then you have here written option and here the taylor text button right yeah okay then okay then i think also to you you can touch options and i too okay i too okay the next question 0 my god otherwise we have 2 results in one question it is different it is easy to use as well for younger elderly people for young people i think it is easy to use young means 16 to 40 years and elderly from 40 to their death i think it is the most useful remote control ever to be manufactured very enthusiastic because it has the regular controls as you can see on the screen now and you do not have all the other options always on your screen so it is things really easy to use you want these options to as well as you are 60 years old you are holding one of those things in your hands they do not want the extra options no but we are going to make this for all kinds of people would it be easy for them to use the speech recognition i think it is if they read the manual because that might perhaps that is one of the most because a lot of it is not difficult you say a record to the speech recognition then you say the question and the answer and that is everything it does the speech recognition yeah well maybe that would make it even more easy to use i think it would be different yeah i think it would be different so because all the people who can not i will make it 2 also 2 yeah not a session for this i would say 3 3 3 3 33 2 2 so what are we going to do 2 and all okay 3 i see 39 another question remotes overwhelmed with buttons no no no that is that is yeah that is a one that is a definitely our 0 no it is a 7 is it no yeah but i think you should make it one scale with one being good and the same be i think is not this has to be something like it is not overwhelmed it is true okay all right designed for that remote control has colors that different that meet different target groups because we make them in different colors yeah there is option yeah and i thought we had about single colors but you can also make a wood color a wood color not just one single color but a wood it looks like wood also with rubber i think you can but it looks like wood it is not it is not yeah okay it feels like rubber you can make a print on rubber can not you yeah yeah but then when he scratches it does come up that is the one yeah it is harder to i have i have 0 okay well we are getting paid we are getting paid we are getting paid you are just a one that is rubber what yeah it is very spongy yeah it is not the most spongy thing i think it is a 3 yeah it is a 3 because you want to make it rather flexible but not too flexible because it has an lcc cream yeah how about control hard to lose yeah yeah you could you can lose it you can lose it if you are 60 years old you 1st do not see the thing you did not just set the microphone and then you lose it you have lost it you can lose it but it is not hard to lose it is a hard no i think i think this is a 2 personally that it is hard to lose no it is not hard to it is a 6 you think it is not hard to lose so it is a 2 yeah you can lose it so i do not know you can make it a 3 it does not have a big or if you are 6 years old yeah but your heart to lose is good so it should be hard to lose it is difficult to lose all right yeah this is hard to do yeah so then it is almost true so a 2 yeah i think also most of the option to whoa yeah it is okay that happened above also maybe when you scroll away and back it will be normal yeah no it does not well okay if you put a cursor in another table remote control will mainly be sold to younger people true i think it will yeah true very true yeah no i do not think very true because the colors we have the colors we have the buttons are not that much materials no the material is not that it is much more young so i think it is a 3 well i think it is a lower number so better because we designed it for young people especially yeah but i i think it is 2 okay what do you think i think it is 2 i think 2 222 let us make everything the features to satisfy younger people yeah perhaps not because younger people are critical and they wanted a lot of features on this thing well not exactly but if it had some games on it or something like that but it is for remote control i think i think they would satisfy those needs yeah the speech possibility the screen scroll scroll options i think they will be quite met with their expectations yeah but those are more fancy functions not really many features or something those are features there is 3 features basically elsinai else keep the touchscreen is a feature the microphone is a feature the microphones feature and that you can change the channel is feature and that you can change the options of the remote and then yeah okay i think yeah and then you have the audio settings the channel setting those are features remote younger people usually use the remote control to put on the volume turn up the phone i think it is one enough features yeah i think what you because you have channel features you have the screen features audio features you have all the buttons on it what you would like the microphone extra lcd screen extra scroll thing extra okay you think one what do you think i think 2 or 3 i would say 3 so 2 make it a 2 123 it is another 2 you can see the remote control is produced by r r yeah there is r r in front it is not the color so maybe it is making 2 but it has r r has 0 yeah it did have now you have the black one and we will probably make also yellow one yeah but not rr yellow yeah maybe 2 well the logo is on the front one is the colors as much and the menu is a failed that is a failed that is available is easy to use i think it is but i do not know what you think i think it is easier to use than a regular remote control because when you push on the options menu you get the various options entirely explained entirely explained instead of just finding out what an icon means on a button yeah and you can navigate it easier you can navigate you have to push the arrow the arrows and with a normal tv remote i think it would be quite hard to learn you are not satisfied okay let us start over again yeah let us make a difference let us go for i think it would be a 2 not lower we only have 2 that is pretty good i think so so okay we have and if you want 13 or one that that has to get up 23 222222 2 yeah the average is a 2 yeah that is quite good yeah i think so we can be happy save okay what is it what is it it is like a bird a fly a fly yeah a butterfly that is it okay that was your evaluation show okay we do not have to calculate anything because of no it is 2 okay good that is good let us see 0 we did not ask to save but it already yeah i save it okay well the next part might be a little bit difficult to do in a group in a group but i am willing to try it because we are going to look at the finance and i have a nice excel sheet to do that redesign no i am not sure if i put it on that and we are going to calculate the production cost and if they are under or at €12 50 we are good and if we are not we are going to redesign we are going to erase features or something very quick i think yes i do not know if i do you have the castor put the excel sheet in the let us hope we are going to be here at e clock i think it is still in my own documents folder we are still going to be here at 80 clock i doubt it perhaps we have got features that do not exist in the excel sheet yeah maybe the microphone no it was in my my information yeah it was not too much yeah but maybe you are going to scrap the osse screen scrap it okay well this is it maybe i could ask one of you to fill it in so that i can also take minutes no problem maybe the other can use that thing to count numerous functions but you should count it like right well we have to count some things and we have to think about some things count it you have got excel to count the number of no count number of functions 0 yes okay well i draw danny i will do that because i draw the screen we have got a battery one or 2 batteries no one battery but 2 small batteries yeah but it is more about the energy source do you use hand dynamo or battery we do a battery solar cell no no no no no no no one battery right no hand dynamo yeah yeah and we have electronics simple chip advanced chip right no simple chip an advanced chip but we also have sample speaker tool yeah so this one and this one we are already on 9 single what are we 0 yay we have double curved single now it is single curve double curves is 3 dimensional but it is not 3 dimensional it is not going to work people this one is curved like this right it is curved like this no no no single curve is like this that is the only curve you made not a curve like this curve like this that is a 0 but we have curves like this and it there is 2 curves right 0 okay i understand we have a scroll wheel right rubber is he integrated no yeah we do not have push we got integrated skull wheel and push button because when you push it and we want to pull it is not it is not no elfrey okay 150 too bad okay 0 well this special color yeah a special form but now button supplements we do not get a button supplement 0 we do not have any buttons 18 and a half yeah we need to we have to lower it with 6 points now 15 and 12 and a half 0 right we could lose the curve we could use i would lose the scroll wheel we could make it just a regular scroll wheel but you can push it so you can push it you have to tap the options window a button here and then scroll down with the with the button yeah i think that will be so normal scroll wheel normal scroll wheel and i think we should i think we should grab the sample speaker it is 4 4 units it is a new feature okay so we do not exactly need the thing but we do not need a curve it is possible to lose a curve no then it will not stand up from the table is that mean with yeah that is meant with curve the curve is in a dimension in a dimension if you make it a flat one there is no curve you got no curves you lose this one yeah but that only is one no 2 yeah a bit no one 16 or 3 so we do not yeah we also have to is it possible to make could we do it on a regular chip on print or something no otherwise we do not have lcd screen no you just can not do that what did you change you changed the scroll wheel yeah and the single curve single curve to uncurbs 0 but that is just one yeah so that does not point yeah i think you should you would sample speaker yeah that the sample speakers to drop it is 4 points yes 4 points yeah but then you can keep the curve it is a new feature i can not yeah when you lose the what else do you want to scrap we have to we have to scrap 4 points yeah that is difficult or maybe on a hand dynamo but yeah make it with wood instead of rubber no that is no when you made a remote control of wood you do not make a titanium is that a rubber it also takes one point less yeah but a wood and remote control only helps for old people can i ask something what is a special color is that the wood wood i think it is this we have to have that one too yeah but it is only a half but i think the only option is to drop the sample speaker to knock the sample speaker and sample sensor then we still have to move too much yeah okay 3 but yeah we are going to have let us make it 13 or 14 3 we need 03 that is a scroll wheel it is a color do not make it wood yeah but we can make it brown dark brown not wood yeah but is it special color is it yeah special color is fruity colors it is not so green is it also no that is just there is normal color fruity colors yeah but it is a special color than just rubber color you have to add something to the rubber to make it green yeah you do not say here green rubber they do not sell green rubber i do not think we can ever wait 2 or 125 yeah you can you should you have to but then we have to scrap lcd display we have to scrap no it is a no then we have to scrap everything because how many colors we are going to make 5 if we lose the scroll wheel and make it totally depending on the touch screen then it is possible to make and then you can add 2 colors and then you can add the colors yeah 2 colors special if you lose the if you lose the it was such a great idea he lose this one and you get 115 and you make and then you can make a special single curve for example but the colors how many the colors like she told is that all the colors we add or what do i mean special colors all the colors you want because you want to make we have yellow red black titanium when you use more than one color it is a special color okay i think when you use the color that is not originally the rubber then you use special color yeah but the rubber is all original black yeah so you always lose a special color you could make it always black yeah but we are going to make it yellow red yellow red and then you add you have 2 special colors on top of the one yeah we also want to make another color yeah we have to make this like 4 or 5 or something because we have more colors than only black yeah but is not it then i think i do not think they mean the special is it per remote i think you pay half per remote yeah that is right so each remote one color per remote yeah indeed so then it is one you do not need 4 of those yeah for those special colors in one true true remote we have 2 points spare they will be one point we have advanced chip on print so it would be curved single curve because of yeah well you can at least make it curved again so you can not make a nice remote because that was very important too bad for the speaker so it is curved it is still so we dropped the speech recognition should we change that speaker that is that is one or not we dropped the scroll wheel could you copy it and make it the same the scroll wheel is dropped 0 yeah perhaps you can say copy page or so ooh okay okay you made the entire could you and do undo and do no not one more time okay what do you mean perhaps you can say this one and i will copy or something that is copy page left off no but you yeah all right something wrong tap okay but this new remote we can afford let us forget it should have worked okay so you had this list a star no i did not receive this list i just received it okay yeah they do not work so hard at the finance department i suppose this is okay the scroll wheel yeah the microphone yeah and that is it and the microphone and we changed something i guess or not we i do not know okay 12 you are 50 and did you try to make a new design or what yeah i tried to copy that one but it did not work it did not work so we could fix it like this stretch you could select it all but then you can erase erase 0 you can only erase erase erase when you said earlier when we selected it you did not erase anything can not just say copy new page paste ah select none just just tap somewhere just tap somewhere besides it right okay and now you can i do not think i can but we can try well you should be possible 0 yeah no aha well you can draw over it with white yeah we tried it earlier it is very much work sorry well but that is also useful for the evaluation because i think we have a prototype now which we can afford and to draw a little bit to get a good design doodle and i think we should then move on to the production evaluation because of the time and erase the mic yeah goodbye mike what i need is no mic so i have erased half of the line save this paisance i will move back to here too bad 0 like this still looks nice okay 0 thank you it looks like ipod no mic no hey but you can erase that yeah it is a bit weird 0 now maybe lines and text and the pen yeah all i need is my mic can not erase this no it is weird we will just leave it at this and quickly save and then we are going to the project or product evaluation we just did now the project evaluation well i think i can sit for that in almost my final slide what did you think about the process about the process how satisfied are we deadlines were sometimes are short yeah a bit stressful you think no my presentation is not ready i think we it should be it would be better if we worked a little bit together yeah now we worked through each other and you could something he said and you had information i did not have yeah and you had information i also had 0 right some things i had in my presentation they already told and for me it sometimes was a surprise who was going to present what so yeah i do not think that is the best way to work for such a project you would say communicate during our individual yeah or maybe a session of 5 minutes together or something and then work separate but why not work here together for example why should we be separated from each other in those different rooms probably to simulate the whole working and then you can work together too you can not have a meeting yeah several weeks then you can work together to do by mail or by i do not know chat something now we are completely separated from each other i do not think that was the best way but the technology was fantastic i do not really like that board it does not really work sometimes it is because it does work but sometimes it does not erase perhaps it is easier to get one of those digital pens or so and lay it next to that keyboard over there so you can draw and see it over on screen or something yeah yeah yeah so you do not think the smart board is really useful it is useful but it does not really work all the time because when you put the pen on the screen the line is being drawn at 2 or 3 centimeters below yeah so it is maybe a bit unnatural yeah you can point where you want the line to be but the project because of the deadlines you are just because of the deadlines you did not have time to make a very qualitative presentation so you used the different powerpoint presentations in which you put your material on that was not me so the means we discussed the smart board we discussed a smart board and what about this digital pen i did not use it at all i used it it was you can use it i used it as a normal pen and only you used it to get it on the computer it did work i used it too but i do not think why you want to use it but it does work to make some designs that is very easy it is easy for to design something and then load it in your computer yeah and then you can show it to everyone to write it yeah yeah it does not really right not really right to write it is too big it is too fat yeah fat document does okay and what about the teamwork teamwork i think it was great yeah i think so too only thing that we worked through post each other yeah something that was only problem but that was our assignment yeah yeah but for the way i should walk out of the room when you discuss at this point the leadership i thought it was good yeah no problem yeah not too much not to yeah okay and creativity well when we look at this i would say well it has been creative huh yeah there was the idea to be creative so yeah you got some standard ideas in your head and this is what came out you get stuff from the yeah information information was sometimes a little bit too late or too late you just sit there for 10 minutes yeah i played i think 7 times solitaire or something 0 i did not have time for that is it on there it is on there i did not find that i was searching i was like 5 emails at one moment no i never got that i got like one email after 10 minutes or something i even got spam or something like that that is what we said i think and the information was a bit low i think in the beginning i did not understand what to do no the 1st one no i did not know i never knew we had to we had to make a remote control and i did not know what to do for the 1st 10 minutes before we got here i was tapping on the table and looking at the internet just looking at the screen i am working okay okay well but after all we can see say we are satisfied but it has been better when we get when we would have gotten more information yeah more information about the costs yeah yeah that will be handy 1st of all i did not think that we were able to make an lcd scream 1st point but it was possible yeah so actually you could make an lcd screen with no mic or you could make mic but no else deep yeah that was a bit mean to put it in the end and what would be other points to improve this whole process i think that is about it nothing i think we got it a lot of heavier less heavy laptops yeah they were just fine the network was okay everything you loaded was also available there and some more time might have improved the quality of work of work yeah yeah but that is now half past 4 half past 3 so yeah but it is just the half hours between you work alone then that pops up pop up screen came 5 minutes to the medium no okay so more time during individual work faces okay well i just got my warning for the last 5 minutes i will move on to i guess my last slide yes which is the closing well we managed to put it very quickly i do not know if that is the best way to when it is too expensive to quickly rearrange it and say okay this is it but we had to do it because we have to have a design and that is within the budget and we evaluate it maybe we should reevaluate the product but we did that before and we also evaluated the project and i think everybody is very happy at least i am with the results so celebration well for the 3 of you because i have to write the final report now but well thank you very much for your cooperation i have a very nice day so far well thank you okay do we get another email bling you are fired i think we have to fill in a questionnaire again yeah i think we also have to go to our own rooms again but i at least but maybe you can try to make a screenshot of this so i can try to include it in the final report that is that one you can save it yeah but at least this one just file save as jpeg okay and please put it in the project folder then you find it as a jpec no is not possible but you can make a screenshot i think okay well i no no i hereby officially closed the meeting yeah hope to see you soon in my 5 minutes export i think i will be a bit longer okay well happy celebration huh thank you wee let us get a pie how big do you want to hear how big how big not too big this one whatever you think is good this one 1000 i think one yeah a brown yeah we have a brown we have a little desktop how can the thing actually this is on the desktop hey how can the thing you can only save it in my documents okay 0 0 0 my god what you are trying through i think it is not necessary 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[ "right so so where is the powerpoint presentation sorry microsoft powerpoint right right okay so right okay so we have got so we have got new project requirements so basically we have got 3 things and we have got 40 minutes in which to for this meeting to to discuss the various options 3 presentations we have a i guess we have a presentation each cause i have got one yeah yeah i have got one too i see right that is nice to know one from each of you new project requirements so do we want to do the presentation 1st or do we want to w i i got or or 3 things basically relating to the remote being only for t v we discussed that last time and in actual fact that was pr pretty well what we came up with anyway so in fact it actually f we will not be forestalled in a sense we have got teletext outdated did you get any information on that we did not no no right and the corporate image was the final thing i d i did not personally so i i got that in email form right okay so i guess if we go ahead with the with the 3 presentations so we will start with yourself on the basis that okay that is fine i will just i will grab the wire out the back of this one sorry yep 0 what is it i am not quite sure how it i think you have got to do control f 8 control does not seem to be quite working at the moment shift f 8 alt function f 8 again not doing anything there is usually a little thing in the top right for the 0 hang on it is just coming on 0 ah there it is doing something pressed about 5 times now okay that is me okay i have to go again it going hopefully that should be it this time okay i think we are there that is good okay okay i am going to be looking at the working design of the of the remote control i have just got 3 sections 1st is the research i made on the on the remote control itself and then that involves the components required in it and the systems design of the actual the actual remote so having researched the existing models within the market i found my research off the internet i have established what the components required for the remote control to function actually are and then also the methods in which these components interact together for the remote to actually do what you want it to do and how it connects with the television the basic components are an energy source which i guess in most existing models would be a battery supply whether that will be sort of 2 batteries 4 batteries it may vary we then have the user interface which is basically the like the the buttons on the actual remote okay the various functions used for changing channel channel up and down volume things like that there is also a chip inside the remote which does all the computer type things and then the sender which is usually i have found an infra red device which sends a signal to the actual television and the last part is receiver which is important in the system but is not actually part of the remote itself because that is obviously found in the television i am going to have to actually draw on the board because it was a little tricky on powerpoint to get this working so i will just go through there s do we have a cloth to wipe this down with or 0 i will j i think it is that little there is the rubber on the right i think 0 i see 0 okay i will get rid of the bear it is magic okay that is great okay so we start off with a battery suppl no a power supply which we would probably get it is probably going to be the battery we then have a particular button which may be that is obviously there is lots and lots of different buttons but this is how the basic system works that sends after you press that that sends the message to the chip which then sends it sort of interprets which button you have pressed and then sends the appropriate message to the sender so that is that is the remote in itself that is the components of the remote and how they work together so this is the user interface this is the chip itself which then and that is the that is the infra red sender and then on the separate thing we have on the on the television we have a a receiver and the sender sends a message to the receiver kay so the the top bit is the power source yes ah yes that is the power source going on to personal preferences i have said that battery seems the best option for the actual remote just because of the size you do not want a a cable attached to the remote otherwise it is not it is not really a remote and then the sender and infra red has been used quite successfully if the battery is on reasonable power they always seem to work fairly well you do not have to be point directly at the television itself so the battery is the in the sender yes kay and that is it for the moment okay okay so now more design right thank you mine is not quite as complicated as all that that is what we like to hear did i press function yeah is it control function ei 0 th there you go 0 okay so i am going to talk a bit about the technical functions design i am louisa the user interface designer as you know so the m basic method of this is to send a signal from the remote to the television set so that a desired function is performed an example of the function could be to change the volume up or down so obviously you need 2 different buttons for that to change the channel either by pressing the number that you want or by channel up or down to switch the television on or off maybe a standby button here are 2 example remotes by the look of it they both have kind of play and fast forward rewind functions so i think they incorporate a kind of video function which we will not have to worry about but as you can see the left remote is quite quite busy looking quite complicated whereas the right remote is much simpler it looks much more user friendly so my personal preference would be the right remote so it has got nice big buttons it has got a very limited number of buttons they are nice kinda clearly labeled i like the use of the kind of symbols like the triangles and the squares and the arrows as well as the words on the kind of play functions and all that so it is very very user friendly and it has got a little splash of color could maybe do with some more color well there is a couple of things there we have to remember that we have our own logo and color scheme so basically we would have to we would have to be putting that on the the product do we get to see that i have not as yet no will you be presenting that in a bit but i got i got an email that basically said to make sure that whatever device we come up with at the end of the day had to incorporate the corporate color and slogan so i am guessing that i notice on the bottom there it has got what is that a p 0 g e e that might be the corporate color scheme although the only the only color i can see in that is the red would you be able to get rid of the the extra buttons here the the sort of circular section because that seems to be for a video as well so we could dispense with that little bit as well and just get it down to just the numbers and the volume what do you mean by the circular section possibly like all of that bottom bit j yeah yeah yeah j yeah just this little bit is that i think that is still a video remote part yeah so maybe we could get rid of that as well yeah and i do not really think that you need 9 numbers well b w i mean how often do you use 78 and 9 i think just one to 6 and then channel up and down should be enough well th the on the well for for general television purposes obviously you have channels one to 5 at this point in time like how often do you hit 9 and we would have to have some room for future such channels it is just people are used to seeing that so if we did not have them then they might think it is but but but well possibly but the the other thing is that with the current expansion of channels in the process of taking place certainly the button up and down but i mean how many channels do we have to actual television channels do we have to prepare for i would have thought that it is forever expanding and at the moment we have got although you have onl you have got the 5 standard you have got the b b c have come up with a further 6 and there is i do not know exactly how many channels there are on when you take into account sky and various other various others so i would have thought that we would not you know rather okay if the time of flicking from one to other but presumably it will take a 2nd cause you have to be able to stop it maybe you could have a fast forward on the on the channels that w and then you could dispense with more otherwise y you would want you would want to get fairly quickly to the channel that you wanted some remotes have kind of favorite options where if you always flick from channel one to channel 6 if that is a favorite you just like by pass 2 to 5 yeah i s i suppose in a sense you could have if you have got a 100 channels then if you had sort of an easy way of getting rather than having to go one to a 100 you could go one to one to 10 10 to 20 and then have a 2nd button to get you to the actual channel you want and that would cut down your time anyway but i think a lot of like cable and sky and stuff that would be tuned to one channel and then you would have another remote for all of those channels like to get to 55 and the higher numbers okay yeah whatever yeah okay okay limit the number of buttons user friendly but i suppose 9 is not really excessive i suppose with 9 you have got the the like the last one which makes the 10th means you it is like multiples you can put them together so you can make any number i suppose it does make a good pattern so with that we would kind of by pass any problems with yeah well that is true yeah you could get 50 by 5 and a 0 or whatever that that makes sense yeah yeah cause that facilitates having all the numbers you could ever need yeah does okay so w so what was the circular thing that you were i think that is just for a video so we would not need any of that at all so we could get it down to what if it is just for t v which is what it is at the moment so we get to how many buttons have we got we have just got 101112 th we got 14 that we need i guess which is not really too many that will be quite easy to make a user guide for a 14 button remote well we have we have got that it is remote for t v only otherwise project would become too complex with which would endanger the time to market was one of the considerations kay i am i do not know d did you have that information behind the marketing or was i meant to give you that information i am not sure i had i have had some market information but not from the company no right right okay so basically time to market seems to be important therefore speed of delivery kay we have only got about another 4 hours left okay so is everyone happy with that ah yes yes that seems good okay right well that is the end of my presentation kay i am going to pull this off i think if you just give it a 2nd to maybe catch up yeah i think she said 20 seconds to huh okay i am sure we will have by the end of today i will give it another go yeah there we go right we have done some research into the functional requirements that people want out of their remote control and 1st off we should state that th the remote control is for controlling the t v and how do people use it we asked them sort of which buttons were useful for them how d how does a remote control look and feel for them and what improvements would would they like to remote control and we did that by sort of giving them a questionnaire that we would prepared and asking them to fill in the answers and 3 quarters of them found that remote controls are ugly and that a sort of even higher proportion would spend more for a sort of s a fancier remote control and that of all the buttons on the remote control the sort of setting buttons for sort of the picture picture and brightness and the audio settings they were not used very often at all people concentrated on the channel buttons and the volume buttons and the power buttons we also asked them about speech recognition for remote control and young people were quite receptive to this but as soon as we got sort of over about into a 35 to 40 age 45 age group and older people people were not quite so keen on speech recognition there is a lot more th there is a lot lot more older people who did not know whether they wanted it or not as well we also asked what frustrated people about remote controls and the number one frustration was that the remote was lost somewhere else in the room and that they could not find it and the 2nd 2nd biggest frustration what that if they got a new remote control it was difficult to learn all the buttons and all the functions and to find your way around it okay so my personal preferences from the marketing is that we need to come up with some sort of sleek sort of good looking high high tech a design which looks high tech basically and that we should come up with fewer buttons than most of the controls on the market and we should sort of concentrate on the channels and sort of power and also volume and that sort of thing as as louisa said we could maybe come up with a menu a sort of a an l c d menu for other functions on the remote control that is worth thinking about and maybe we could think about speech recognition as well because sort of young people are perhaps the ones that are going to buy buy our new product if we aim it at sort of you know sort of a high tech design that that might be the market that we are we are looking for and we could maybe think about using speech recogniti recognition as a way to find the remote control if it is lost in a room rather than sort of having it to speech recognition to change the channels cause there is a problem with that in that the television makes noise so it could end up talking to itself and changing its channel okay and that is the end of the slide show that is it cool do a lot of what was that last wee bit there about speech recognition speech recognition right okay yeah but that was only for young people that preferred it older people did not youn young people pref yeah they s they said that they would be interested in a remote control which offered that possibility and as you go up through the age groups people got less and less interested in sort of a a remote control that you could talk to so no what i maybe think is it seems the technology would be quite advanced for that and they might end up costing more than our 1250 budget for yeah well that is right for the speech recognition yeah yeah and possibly the thing about the about the remote being lost we could have you know with your mobile phone you lose that and you can ring it maybe we can have some kind of sensor which is kept somewhere where you can some kind of buzzer system between the 2 yeah so you can press a button which is always kept in one place and then it maybe buzzes to somewhere else wherever the remote actually is huh yeah yeah we would have t that would mean we would have to put 2 products together as well which which again would probably be a bit expensive but that is true yes there is key rings that you kind of whistle at or clap at i can not remember and then they whistle back or something like that yeah sounds reasonable yeah that would probably be really simple they are cheap yeah so i guess it would be something we could like attach to the or like the same technology could be put inside the so well if you are trying to avoid having a 2nd product cause obviously you could have a 2nd product that gave you the right pitch which would set the remote off to say here i am sort of thing inside the remote you know without sound recognition but if you i know i was going to say a sharp noise you know a clapping of hand or whatever you would want to try and av just have the one product that if yeah yeah if we if we could have it in the actual remote like everything in 11 device yeah yeah i dunno talking about vo i mean obviously if you have got voice recognition then you can do it in that way because it will recognize the voice and you can give it a command a set command whatever that happened to be yeah but you have then got the point if if you are not going with voice recognition then you could have an option to turn it off or perhaps yeah so that would solve the problems with the t v kind of speaking to the remote and changing its own channels so any sugges well any conclusions would it take quite a while to sort of develop the speech recognition software in the remote control considering well if it does then we can not yeah it is that simple because we have got th th 3 primary requisites from from and email that was sent to me whereby we had the design logo was one which we have already mentioned we have got the remote was only for the television and not for because that would make it too complex and we have to get it market quickly and the 3rd thing was that teletext as far as the management is concerned is becoming dated due to the popularity of the internet okay so that means that so these are the sort of 3 extra parameters that have been put on this project kay so we are being focused effectively directly at a television and it seems to me that the management is wanting us to go down a narrow path and not opening out yes so anything that is to be added such as voice recognition et cetera has to be very simple and has to be very quick because time to market is is critical has to be simple enough to i suppose if we could get something in which was quite quick and simple that would give us an advantage over the other remotes s it would but probably quick and simple is primary rather than kay added extras added extras would be nice but the primary consideration is to get the project finished within this short time window which effectively now is sort of 4 hours so and if and we have got to get to the end d d i think i think 1st and foremost we have got to get to the end and then get to the end with added extras if possible okay so right okay so i need to right so i do not know how long we have left of our time but we have to make the decisions on the remote control functions about 5 minutes and how we were planning to proceed so that at the next meeting each person that has got a a a task to do is clear from this meeting what that task is yes we will also know w when the next meeting is i so we will know how long we have got to complete that task and then we can report back at the next meeting and say right okay yes we have achieved this or we have not achieved this this is how far we have progressed does that make reasonable sense yes that seems right yeah okay yeah so we have to come effectively to the decision on the remote functions so that you can decide what you are going to be doing and if dur between the time of this meeting finishing and the next meeting starting if you get any additional information that only you have at that point in time you would think would be relevant to other people in terms of their des decision making process then we should communicate that as quickly as possible and not wait until the next meeting do it via the email so that rather than coming you know if you get the information just before the next meeting that is fine okay yep come along with it in the next meeting we can discuss it then and take whatever action is appropriate okay but if you get it well before the next meeting let everybody else know cause that might have an impact on their on what they come up with effectively at the next meeting yeah okay right is there so do we need to decide on the functions now s i would guess so well i think it would be really easy and it would be a big advantage if we did have some sort of kind of whistle back kind of function yeah and cause that will solve kind of the frustration of losing it yeah and that was that was the number one sort of frustration that people said so yep i do not think there is anything else on the market that does that so yeah i do not really know about the voice recognition thing i w well i maybe we should concentrate just on the whistle back function at the moment and if something comes back something simple if if our primary consideration is to get it there in time time is short you want something to meet the major concerns of the consumer so that we can have that as a selling point for the product something that is quick and simple yeah so sounds good and that would not put off the kind of older generation either cause everyone can whistle or clap and they would not have to be kind of scared of this new technology well so maybe a clap rather than a whistle would be on the basis that if we have got if we are catering to the whole age range you want something that is easy to do now something that does not like whis well i i i do not know no not everyone can whistle can they though well if you think that more people can whistle than clap then that is fine then go for that option but if i would have thought that more people could clap rather than whistle so so clap option no clapping i think clapping yeah i would go more yeah f more for clap yeah yeah okay kay we have already decided that we do not need a teletext button have not we is that one of the ef effectively that is what the that is what they are saying that if if people are now using the internet then you do not need teletext taking out teletext okay so so take out teletext did we decide on having the 10 the 10 numbers and then the the little digit next to it which kind of enabled you to put them together right yeah i think so so 0 to 9 i think nowadays you can just get ones where it gives you a sort of a 2nd or 2 to press another number yeah so you can press any 2 and it will sort of put them together okay 10 numbers and then some kind of device to allow yeah i will put delay to allow multiple numbers yeah or multiple digits yeah did we decide anything about the other functions as in setting the audio and tuning it and stuff like that you had an had an idea about the menu we could possibly put an l a sort of a l c d menu in but that again is probably an expense that but just thinking people probably i mean you do not have you only have to probably tune in the t v once but you have to be able to tune it that once yeah so and if finally the t v breaks you get a new one you are going to have to be able to tune it you can not really avoid that no except the new digital markets which do it by themselves yeah so that will be in but the but that is relying on the television market changing to an automatic and if it is at the moment that is fine yes but at the moment it is not so it seems to me that you have to have a device that caters cause otherwise it would make it your device would become inoperable yeah yeah or only operable in certain circumstances and the idea is to have an international market which is and it is also m it is the the product we have got is something that is at the i would have said the lower end of the s of the cost scale yeah yeah yeah so we are not really going for something that is yeah i s i suppose terribly high tech if people are buying remotes then they are probably buying it to replace another remote cause all most tellies come with remotes so possibly i mean we are maybe talking about replacing remotes for slightly older televisions so we maybe need to keep the the tuning function in that is right yeah yeah so how would this menu function work would you maybe have like one menu button then you would use the other buttons maybe the number buttons to actually do the separate functions yeah that would be a good idea yeah yeah like the volume or something okay yeah cause you do need kind of brightness and contrast and everything as well my dad was watching a film the other week and it was too dark so i had to go through it and turn the brightness up we are going to have the the individual numbers and then a menu function and maybe sort of a slightly more advanced instruction booklet to come with it to guide presu i think it would be quite hard just for people to grasp just off like the menu use different buttons you maybe have to have like some better instructions of how that would actually work i am not sure whether the sort of having people have a booklet cause one the 2nd most annoying thing that people found was having to learn the new one right okay so maybe next to each of the buttons you know each of them could have a number and then also a function written next to it so you are basically pressing that also goes back to the original design when we saw those 2 and there was the one on the left hand side which had all like the double functions and stuff which kind of looked too busy and had too much on it right so okay well if we are trying to keep it slee sleek and sexy as well okay well have you seen those remotes where kind of the bottom bit slides down so there is kind of everything else revealed yeah so y ah that is a very good idea so you do not use it that much you do not have to see it all the time but it is all there if you need it that is that is a good idea actually yeah yeah sor sort of a 2nd so you keep right we have got 5 minutes before we wind up this meeting so i have been told like a hidden panel okay i do not know if you have got the same not quite but i guess okay so so keep keep detailed functions hidden at the back keep the other buttons but hide them away and that will be better for the older generation as well cause well my dad does not like anything that you have got to kinda flick through a menu ah but he can pretty much read a button if it is displayed properly so yeah so we are going to have to have to work out what is going to be on these other functions as as well so we are going to have like 2 separate 2 separate lists i guess yeah that is right yeah data functions hidden at back so th the can bring out when needed the detailed ones would be sort of brightness sorta yeah that is right so we are dis so you have got which ones are going to be on the front and which ones are going to be on the back so sh we have to decide should we decide in the next couple of minutes and then yeah i guess so so on the so on front about the number numbers the volume up and down and the volume volume shall we have a mute button as well sorry a mute button as well yeah yeah yeah i think they are handy or and probably a power one as well dunno i know it is probably like not an issue to raise here but the whole thing about not using your standby because of the like waste of electricity have you seen the adverts like if you boil the kettle that is full that is a waste yeah if you leave your telly on standby it powers blackpool for a certain amount of time like we should maybe try to discourage people from standby but then they might not buy it if they have not got one cause people might just be too fickle and not want to change yeah yeah it is maybe too much of a big issue for here yeah so so are you having the stand by on the front then we can send out a flier with the device saying that you should not leave it on stand by 0 danger sign i think you probably should yeah but a little bit smaller okay compromise well are we going to have the channel up and down as well as the number buttons cause yeah the market research said there is quite a lot of people do just zap around and flick so okay so we will have right so we have got 10111213141516 there channel up and down what else have we got what was that 16 numbers is 10 volume is 12 th yeah si one up one down volume button how many volumes right okay on mute and a mute yeah that is 16 is not it yeah is there anything else i do not think so no power button stand by channel up and down so is that it so okay that is 16 buttons you reckon and then at the back you have got brightness and contrast maybe if we are going to run out of time and then one of us should come up with a list of these and then get back at the next meeting just at the start and say what they are going to be okay yeah so on the back it will have brightness contrast anything else there is audio functions you are also going to have the channel tuner as it were yeah so tuner up and down i guess yeah tuner would that have up and down up tune one way tune the 0 i i dunno i dunno possibly i think they normally do okay yeah yeah okay and then maybe sort of an enter button for sort of s you know saying that you want that particular thing tuned in so you go up and down and then it pick it finds something and then you want to press enter to select it yeah 0 yeah and th and a enter button just to select yeah okay i guess we are keeping s it simple we do not really need any other audio funct functions because it is just volume up volume down up volume yeah i would have thought so yeah so i think there is quite a lot of like dolby surround studio surround sort of things yeah okay do they have their own do they have their own controls on their actual products then or do you have to do it via the remote maybe for the younger market i think they have got their own controls in this kind of like hidden panel yeah i suppose if we have got their if they have got their own controls then we can avoid it for ours just to keep it simple yeah yeah 0 no i mean like there is kind of individual buttons for them like on the t v remote 0 okay right but i do not really know what they are for i have never used them i just know they are something to do with dolby maybe unless something comes up then we should i think well you might get some research well shall we look into that and just get back together okay okay right right so i will do the minutes of this meeting right and we will meet back at i am not sure 40 minutes i believe is the time kay okay come on" ]

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[ "i am gonnae right so so where is that powerpoint presentation sonny microsoft powerpoint right right so right okay so right okay okay so we have got new project requirements things we have got 40 minutes in which to for this meeting to discuss the various options and 3 presentations we have a i guess we have a presentation i see right that is nice one from each of you and new project requirements and so do we want to do the presentation 1st or do we want to i got 3 things basically relating to remote being only for tv we discussed that last time and an actual fact that was pretty well what we came up with anyway so in fact actually we were to be forestalled in a sense and we have got teletext outdated did you get any information on that we did not no right and the corporate image was the final thing so i got that in email form right okay so i guess if we go ahead with the 3 presentations so we will start with yourself on the basis that i will just mark up the sorry yep i am not quite sure i think you have got to control i feel control i think you do control it seems you do quite working at the moment shift efforts can not be out function i think again not doing anything not doing anything there is usually a little thing in the top right 0 i go it is just a little bit 0 got it so it is about 5 times now okay that is me okay that is me right okay and i am going to go out again okay i am going to be that okay i am going to be looking at okay i am going to be looking at the working design i have the remote control i have just got 3 sections the research i made on the remote control itself and then that involves the components required and the systems of the design of the actual network so having researched the existing models within the market i found my research off the internet i have established what the components required for the remote control function actually are and then also the methods in which these components interact together for the remote to actually do what you wanted to do and how it connects with the television the basic components are an energy source which i guess in most of the system models will be a battery supply whether that would be sort of 2 batteries 4 batteries it may vary we then have a user interface which is basically the buttons on the actual remote of various functions it is all changing channel channel up and down there channel up and down volume things like that there is also a chip inside the remote which does all the computer type things and then a sender which is usually i have found an infrared device which sends a signal to the actual television and the last part is a receiver which is important in the system but it is not actually part of the remote itself because that is obviously found in the television i am going to have to actually draw on the board because it was a little tricky on powerpoint to get it to working so i will just go see do you have a cloth to wipe this down with or there is the rubber on the right i think it is magic okay so we start off with a battery supply no a power supply which is probably going to be the battery we then have a particular button which may be obviously there is lots and lots of different buttons but this is how the basic system works and that sends after you press out send a message to the chip which then sends it sort of interprets which by new breast and then sends the appropriate message to the send there so that is the emotion itself that is the components to the moment how they work together this is the user interface this is the chip itself which then sends the sender that is the infrared and then on the set putting we have on the television we have a receiver and the sender sends a message to the receiver so the top is the power source yes ah yes it is the power source okay screen onto personal preference as i have said the battery seems the best option for the actual remote just because of the size you on a cable attached to the remote not really remote and then the sender in infrared has been used quite successful if the battery is on reasonable power they always seem to work for any way you have to be pointed directly at the television itself so the battery is the in the sender okay and that is it for the moment okay so now more design mine is not quite as complicated as all that that is what we like to hear 0 yeah i will test for you okay okay control functioning 0 there you go okay talk a bit about the technical functions design louisa the user interface designer as you know so the basic method of this is to send a signal from the remote to the television set so that a desired function is performed an example of the function could be to change the volume up or down so obviously you need 2 different buttons for that to change the channel either by pressing the number that you want or by channel up or down by channel up or down to switch the television on or off maybe a standby button here are 2 example remotes by the look of it they both have kind of play and fast forward rewind functions so i think that incorporate a kind of video function which we will not have to worry about but as you can see the left remote is quite busy looking quite complicated whereas the right remote is much simpler it looks much more user friendly so my personal preference would be the right remote so it has got nice big buttons it has got a very limited number of buttons they are nice kind of clearly labeled i like the use of the kind of symbols like the triangles and the squares and the arrows as well as the words on the kind of play functions and all that so it is very user friendly it has got a little splash of color could maybe do with some more color well there is a couple of things there we have to remember that we have our own logo and color scheme so basically we would have to be putting that on the product do we get to see that i have not as yet no but i got an email that basically said to make sure that whatever device we come up with at the end of the day had to incorporate the corporate color and slogan so i am guessing that i notice on the bottom there it has got what is that ap 0 g e that might be corporate color scheme although the only color i can see in that is the red would you be able to get rid of the x ones here the sort of circular section but that seems to be for a video as well so we could dispense with that a little bit as well and just get down to just the numbers and the volume what do you buy the circular section like all of that bottom of it yeah just a little bit is that i think that is still one in my video about parts so maybe we could get with that as well yeah and i do not really think that is like that age well but well but i mean how often do you use 78 and 9 i think just want 6 and then channel up and down should be enough well the only well for general television purposes obviously you have channels one to 5 at this point in time and we would have to have some room for future such channels as people are used to seeing that so we did not have them then they might think well possibly but the other thing is that with the current expansion of channels and the process of taking place certainly the button up and down but i mean how many channels do we have to actual television channels do we have to prepare for i would have thought that the fact i think it is forever expanding and at the moment we have got although you have got the 5 standard you have got the bbc have come up with a further 6 and there is i do not know exactly how many channels there are on when you take into account sky and various others so i would have thought that we would not you know rather than okay if the time of flicking from one to other but presumably it will take a 2nd because you have to be able to stop it maybe you could have a fast forward on the channels and then you could dispense with more otherwise you want to get fairly quickly to the channel that you wanted some remote have kind of favorite options where if you always flip from channel one to channel 6 if that is a favorite you just like bypass 2 to 5 i suppose in a sense you could have if you have got a 100 channels then if you had sort of an easy way of getting rather than having to go one to a 100 you could go one to 1010 to 20 and then have a set and button to get you to the actual channel you want then that would cut down your time anyway but i think a lot of them like cable and sky and stuff that would be 2 one channel and then you would have another remote for all of those channels like to get the 55 and the higher number okay okay limit the number of buttons user friendly but i suppose 9 is not really excessive as is it now you have got the right the last one which makes a 10 means it is like a multiple scene put them together so you can make any number so with that would kind of buy no problems with well that is true yeah you could get 50 by 5 and a 0 or whatever that that makes sense that facilitates having all the numbers you could have a need yeah it does so what was a circular thing that you were i think that is just for a video so we would not need any of that if it is just for tv which is what it is at the moment should we get to honey buns that we got we have got 10 11 12 we have got 14 that we need i guess which is not really too many that would be quite easy to make a user guide for a 14 battery amount well we have got it is remote for tv only otherwise project would become too complex with which we would endanger the time to market it was one of the considerations i do not know did you have that information being the market that information being the marketing or was i meant to give you that information i am not sure i had some market information but not from the company right okay so basically times of market seems to be important therefore speed of delivery we have only got about another 4 hours left okay so is everyone happy with that well that is the end of my presentation i will miss it i think you just give a 2nd to yeah i think she is had 20 seconds to i am sure i will have my ears today i will give it a go yeah there we go right we have done some research into the functional requirements that people want out of their remote control and 1st off we should state that the remote controls were controlling the tv and how do people use it we asked them sort of which buttons were useful for them how does a remote control look and feel for them and what improvements would they like to remote control and we did that by giving them a questionnaire that we prepared and asking them to fill in the answers and 3 quarters of them found that remote controls are ugly and that a sort of even higher proportion would spend more for a fancier remote control and that of all the buttons on the remote control the sort of setting buttons for sort of the picture and brightness and the audio settings they were not used very often at all people concentrated on the channel buttons and the volume buttons and the power buttons we also asked them about speech recognition for remote control and young people were quite receptive to this but as soon as we got sort of over a bit of about into a 35 to 40 age group and older people were quite so keen on speech recognition there is a lot more older people who did not know whether they wanted it or not as well we also asked what frustrated people about remote controls and the number one frustration was that the remote was lost somewhere else in the room and that they could not find it and the 2nd biggest frustration was that if they got a new remote control it was difficult to learn all the buttons and all the functions and to find your way around it okay so personal preferences from the marketing is that we need to come up with some sort of sleek sort of good looking high tech a design which looks high tech basically and that we should come up with fewer buttons than most of the controls on the market and we should concentrate on the channels and power and also volume and that sort of thing as louisa said we could maybe come up with a menu a sort of an lcd menu for other functions on the remote control that is worth thinking about and maybe we could think about speech recognition as well because so young people are perhaps the ones that are going to buy buy our new products if we aim it at sort of a high tech design that might be the market that we are looking for and we could maybe think about using speech recognition as a way to find if it is lost in a room rather than having it to speech recognition to change the channel because there is a problem with that in that the television makes noise so it could end up talking to itself and changing its channels okay and that is the end of the slideshow that is it and was that last wee bit there speech recognition yeah okay but that was only for young people that preferred that older people did not young people yeah they said that they would be interested in remote control which offered that possibility and as you go up through the age groups people have got less and less interested in sort of a remote control that you can talk to i think is and it seems the technology be quite advanced for that and it might end up casting more than i have $1250 budget for speech recognition and possibly the thing about the remote being lost we could have you know your mobile phone you lose that you can ring and maybe have some kind of sensor which has kept somewhere where you can just kind of buzz a system between the 2 yeah so you can press a bell which is always kept in one place and then it buzzes to it somewhere else wherever the remote actually is yeah that would mean we would have to put 2 products together as well which again would be a bit expensive there is key rings that you kind of whistle at or clap back i can not remember and then the whistleback or something like that sounds reasonable that is probably a really simple eh she so i guess it is something attached to the or like the same technology could put inside the well if you are trying to avoid having a 2nd product because obviously you could have a 2nd product and they gave you the right pitch which would set the remote off to see your arms sort of like you know without sound recognition but if you i know i am going to see a sharp noise you know clapping of hand or whatever you would want to try to just have the one product that if yeah we can have it in the actual remote everything in one yeah i do not know and talking about i mean obviously if you have got voice recognition then you can do it in that way because it will recognize the voice and you can give it a command a set command whatever that happened to be but you have then got a point if you are not going with voice recognition then so you have an option to turn it off or perhaps yeah so i was solved problems with the tv can speak into the remote and changing it so any suggestions any suggestions well any conclusions would it take quite a while to sort of develop this feature recognition software in the remote control well if it does then we can not it is that simple because we have got 3 primary requisites from an email that was sent to me whereby we had the design logo was one which we have already mentioned mentioned we have got the remote was only for the television and not for because that would make it too complex and we have to get it market quickly and the 3rd thing was that teletext as far as the management is concerned has become outdated and due to the popularity of the internet so that means that so these are the sort of 3 extra parameters that have been put on this project so we are being focused effectively directly at a television and it seems to me that the management is wanting us to go down a narrow path and not opening out so anything that is to be added such as voice recognition etc has to be very simple and has to be very quick because time to market is critical get something in which was quite quick and simple that would give us an advantage of other remote it would but probably quick and simple is primary rather than added extras added extras would be nice but the primary considerations to get the project finished within this short time window which effectively now is sort of 4 hours so and we have got to get to the end i think i think 1st and foremost we have got to get to the end and get to the end with some added extras if possible okay my screen is just so then i am bunk on me right okay so i need to right so i do not know how long we have left over time but we have to make the decisions on the remote control functions functions and how we are planning to proceed so that at the next meeting each person that has got a task to do is clear from this meeting what that task is and also know when the next meeting is i so we will know how long we have got to complete that task and then we can report back at the next meeting and say right okay yes we have achieved this or we have not achieved this this is how far we have progressed does that make reasonable sense so we have to come effectively to the decision on the remote functions so that you can decide what you are going to be doing and if between the time of this meeting finishing and the next meeting starting if you get any additional information that only you have at that point in time you would think would be relevant to other people people in terms of their decision making process then we should communicate that as quickly as possible and not wait until the next meeting do it via the email so that rather than coming you know if you get the information just before the next meeting that is fine come along with the next meeting we can discuss it then and take whatever action is appropriate but if you get it well before the next meeting let everybody else know because that might have an impact on what they come up with effectively at the next meeting okay all right is a so do we need to decide on the functions now i would guess so well i think it would be really easy and it would be a big advantage if we did have some sort of kind of whistlebacked kind of function yeah because that will solve kind of the frustration of losing it yeah that was the number one sort of frustration that people said so i do not think there is anything else on the market that does that yeah i do not really know about the voice recognition thing well maybe we should concentrate just in the whistleback something simple if the primary consideration is to get it there in time time short you want something to meet the major concerns of the consumer so that we can have it as a selling point for the product something that is quick and simple yeah and that would not put off the kind of older generation either because everyone can whistle a clap and they would not have to be kind of scared of this new technology so maybe a clap rather than a whistle would be on the basis that if we have got if we are catering to the whole age range you want something that is easy to do you know something that like whist well i do not know well if you think that more people can whistle than clap then that is fine then go for that option but if i would have there more people could clap rather than whistle so clap option okay okay okay we have already decided that we do not need a teletext button have not you effectively that is what they are saying that if people are now using the internet then you do not need teletext so take out teletext do we decide on having the 10 the 10 numbers and then the little digit next to it which can be able to put in scale i think nowadays you can just get ones where it gives you a 2nd or 2 to press another number yeah so you can press any 2 and it all sort of put them together okay 10 numbers and then some kind of device to allow a yeah i put delay to allow multiple numbers or multiple pictures yeah do we decide anything about the other functions as in setting the audio and tuning it and stuff like that you had not an idea about the menu we could possibly put an out the lcd menu in but that again is probably an expense i was just thinking people probably i mean you do not have to put the tv once but you have to be able to tune it that once yeah so in a family tv breaks again you are going to have to be able to tune it going to have to be able to tune it you can not really avoid that except the new digital markets we should do it by themselves but that is relying on the television market changing to an automatic and if it is at the moment that is fine but at the moment it is not so it seems to me that you have to have a device that caters because otherwise it would make it your device would become inoperable or only operable in certain circumstances and the idea is to have an international market which is and it is awesome it is the product we have got is something that is the i would have said the lower end of this of the cost scale so we are not really going for something that is i suppose if people are buying remotes then they are probably buying it to replace another remote possibly most tellies come with remote so that is right we are maybe talking about replacing remotes for slightly older television so we maybe need to keep the tuning function in yeah okay so how would this menu function where you maybe have like one menu button and you use the other buttons or the number of buttons to actually use the type of functions yeah that would be good idea yeah because you do need brightness and contrast to everything as well my dad was watching the film the other week and it was too dark so i had to go through it and turn the brightness up so we are going to have the individual numbers and then a menu function and maybe sort of a slightly more advanced instruction book that to come with it to guide i think it would be quite hard just for people to grasp just off like the menu of the other you and just maybe have to have some better instructions that would actually work i am not sure whether having people have a booklet because the 2nd most annoying thing that people found was something to learn the new one right okay so maybe next to each of the buttons each of them could have a number and then also a function written next to it so you are basically pressing i see but that also goes back to the original design room so there is 2 and there was the one on the left side which had all like double functions and stuff which kind of looked too busy and have so much on it okay well have you seen most of the waterway kind of bottom bit slides down so it is kind of everything that is revealed so you do not need that much you do not have to sync all the types that is a very good idea that is a very actually so you keep right we have got 5 minutes we have got 5 minutes before we wind up this meeting so i have been told i do not know if you have got the same not quite a bit okay so keep detailed functions hidden at the back and that would be better for the older generation as well because my dad does not like you know but you can pretty much read a button displayed probably so we are going to have to have to work out what is going to be on these other functions as well so we are going to have like 2 separate that is right 2 separate lists yeah the detailed functions hidden at back can bring out when needed the detailed ones will be sort of brightness that is right so you have got which ones are going to be on the front which ones are going to be at the back we have to decide should decide the next couple of minutes and then couple minutes and then yeah yeah so on the so on front numbers numbers volume volume if you have a mute button as well sorry and mute button as well yeah yeah or and it is probably a power one as well i am not really like not an issue to read yeah but the whole thing about not using a standby because of the waste of electricity and have not seen that ad with like if you boil the kettle that is full of the way you would be telling on standby it powers black door for something at a lot of times but then they might be by it if they are going yeah it might be too big or no one yeah it is a little fire with the device so are you having the standby on the front then i think you probably should yeah but a little bit smaller commoner well is it a problem are we going to have the channel up and down as well as the number brushes because yeah the market research said there was quite a lot of people do just zap around and flicks so we have got 10000 60 channel up and down what else we got what was that 60 numbers is 10 volume button how many volumes one up one down alright okay on mute yeah that is 16 is it anything else i do not think so power button standby channel up and down so is that it okay that is 16 buttons do you reckon and then at the back you have got brightness and contrast maybe we are going to run out of time one of us come out of the list of these and then get back at the next meeting just at the start and see what it is going to be okay so on the back i love brightness contrast anything else you are also going to have the channel tuner in her as it were yeah so tune up and down i guess yeah tuner would that have up and down yeah or tune one way to you yeah okay and then maybe sort of an enter button for sort of you know saying that you want that particular thing tuned in so you go up and down and then it you find something and then you want to press the enter to select it again i guess we are keeping it simple we do not need any other audio functions because it is just 0 volume yeah i would have that too yeah so i think there is quite a lot of like dogby surround pseudo surround sort of things yeah maybe for the younger market do they have their own controls on their actual product or do you have to do it via the remote i think they have got their own controls in this kind of like hidden panel as we have got their own controls and we can avoid it for us yeah yeah 0 no i mean like there is kind of individual buttons for them 0 okay like on the tv or so but i do not really know what i thought i have never used them maybe unless something comes up then we should have well you might get some research on that well should we look into that and then just get back to the other okay right i will do the minutes of this meeting and we will meet back i am not sure 40 minutes i believe is the time come on you" ]

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[ "making a profit of €50000000 alright so 25 kay so it is go going to have to be be pretty damn trendy so yeah i have the only the only remote controls i have used usually come with the television and they are fairly basic yeah yeah so yeah i was thinking that as well i think the the only ones that i have seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things where they are yeah yeah the universal ones yeah so presumably that might be an idea to but but to sell it for 25 you need a lot of neat features put into slim for sure yeah yeah yeah cause i mean what €25 that is about i dunno £15 or so it is about that and that is quite a lot for a remote control yeah yeah well my 1st thoughts would be most remote controls are gray or black as you said they come with the t v so it is normally just your basic gray black remote control functions so maybe we could think about color huh make that might make it a bit different from the rest at least and as you say we need to have some kind of gimmick so i thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle you know those things okay the the keyrings yeah yeah because we always lose our remote control right yeah okay that is cool being as a marketing exper expert i will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market what are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices what speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market okay so before deciding or before finalizing this project we must discuss all these things like and apart from this it should be having a good look also okay because people really li like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with or playing with their c d player m p 3 player like any electronic devices they really want to have something good having a good design in their hands so yes all this yeah okay kay what do we think a so we are looking for kay what do we think a good size would be for this we are sorry carry on cause i i know as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunky and there is just like a 100 buttons on it yeah yeah or you could have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily then you lose it yeah okay kind of maybe more like a p d a kind of just hand held like cause for for remember we are trying to make it for €12 50 yeah no i was not no sorry i was not thinking of the screen of like a p d a but okay well right we will have to i will we are k having another meeting in half an hour so we should all look into a bit okay 0 actually no we will allocate so you do the looking around at other remote controls yeah if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever and you could look into basically how how it is made i e like how you make it all in one how what sort of materials are available to you whatever and obviously other instructions will come from the personal coach right which will probably just usurp what i said so so you want me to look at shapes and everything you said shapes and colors and basically how to make it attractive yep okay and you look at competition and design yep cool okay okay so we have wait for emails okay groovy and no doubt we will get 0 no sorry it is okay sorry we will get warnings for next meetings as well okay cool okay i shall i can not imagine these are worth much okay fashion into electronic okay" ]

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[ "making a profit of €50000000 okay so it is going to have to be pretty to have trendy the only remote controls i have used usually come with the television yeah fairly basic so yeah i was thinking that as well i think the only ones that i have seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things yeah the universal ones yeah so presumably that might be an idea to create interest but to sell us 25 you need a lot of neat feature yeah yeah because i mean what the €25 is about i know £15 or so and that is quite a lot for remote control well my 1st thought to be most remote controls are gray or black as you said they come with a tv so it is normally just your basic gray black remote controls as functions so maybe we could think about color that might make it a bit different from the rest at least and as you say we need to have some kind of gimmick so i thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle you know because we always lose our remote control okay that is cool yeah being as a market expert i will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market what are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices what specialty our remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use this remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market so before deciding or before finalizing this project we must discuss all these things like and apart from this you should be having a good look also because people really like like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with their cd player mp 3 player like any electronic devices they really want to have something good having a good design in their hands so yes all this so we are looking for what we think we are good size would be for this sorry as you add more buttons to the remote sometimes it gets so big and clunky there is just like a 100 buttons on it or you could have really small slim one but they could lose it easily then you lose it yeah kind of maybe more like a pda kind of just handheld like because i remember we are trying to make it for 12 years 50 no i was not no sorry i was thinking of the screen of like a paper okay well we will have to we are having another meeting a half an hour so we should have to we should all look into a bit actually no we will allocate so you do looking around at other remote controls if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever and you could look into basically how it is made like how you make it all in one how what sort of materials are available to you whatever and obviously other instructions will come from the personal code right which will probably just usurp what i said so you want me to look at shapes and everything shapes and colors okay basically how to make it attractive and do that and you look at competition yeah cool so we have wait for emails okay gritty and no doubt we will get 0 no i am sorry we will get warnings for next meetings as well okay cool okay i shall i can not imagine these methods imagine these methods are worth much okay flus and out time okay oops oops okay let us go i guess i am going to do i am so what did you get that on the desktop so if you minimize it we know just click on the internet explore it should take you to our corporate website i guess cool looks like we have done neat things space shuttles and trains coffee makers 0 dear finish meeting there finished it already i am i am" ]

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[ "okay so this is 1st meeting of this design project and i like to show you the agenda for the meeting i do not know if it was sent round to all of you yeah maybe not i did not receive it yet anyway this is the the plan for today is meeting is firstly just to introduce the project briefly although i am sure you have actually got some of the information already then the main purpose is to so that we get to know each other a little bit more then we want to practice using some of the tools that we will be using during the the course of the design project and the meetings specifically the whiteboard over there then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan and discuss come up with some preliminary ideas about it and then that is it so we have got 25 minutes to do that that is until 1125 so sh s so any any questions is i not at this point not at this point so this is our project what we are aiming to do is to create a new remote control for a television we want it to be something original something trendy and also something user friendly so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use this product the method that we are going to use to complete the project that has 3 components as such there is the functional design of the the remote control we are going the way we will do that i think is to to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to to work on that similarly with the conceptual design we will start off by working individually with our own expertise on our own laptops and then we will bring what we have done together and then the detailed design will come after that we will pull it all together i am a bit confused about what is the difference between the functional design and conceptual design i is it just more detail as i understand it i think it th w we are talking the the functional design is more your area of things where you will be we want to look at what functions we need in the remote control and what what specific things it it has to do but the conceptual design is perhaps bigger than that and includes the how people are going to use it and and that kind of thing right how how it will be done so whe where do we identify the components of our product i think it is it is in the conceptual design phase that we identify the it is in the conceptual design phase that we identify the components of our product i think we will we will start that initially with the functional design already but then yeah okay okay so that is just a brief overview of the p the the project itself what i would like us to do now is simultaneously introduce ourselves and start using some of the tools that we are using for for the project specifically the whiteboard so each person in turn i would like us to go up to the whiteboard the pen is just underneath it there and draw your favorite animal and then tell everyone what the f your favorite characteristics of that animal are and while you are doing that tell us your name what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role that you are taking in this project why are you looking at me would you like to go 1st do i have a choice okay ooh ooh things falling everywhere 0 yeah p put them in pockets right okay cool you do not have to hurry we have got plenty of time okay so my name is cat and i am really not very good at this whole drawing malarkey so okay it has got no eyes 0 good point ah the eyes always ruin it right okay what do it is eyes like okay cool this is a rabbit i thought it might be a cat yeah well origi at 1st i thought it was going to be cat yeah i do not think it is furry enough so we will make it a fluffy rabbit yeah now i now i understand now yeah yeah i can see by the ears yeah okay right it is a fluffy rabbit blue rabbits do not come in blue but you know okay and i like it because it is small and it is fluffy and one day you will be able to getical genetically modify them and they will come in pink ah okay excellent and what is your what is your role within the team i am the i need my notebook ooh top banana thank you okay cool i am the marketing expert so like i am going to be doing the apparently according to the little guy in the computer that knows everything the user g requirements specification of the functional design trend watching in the conceptual design and product evad valuation in the detailed design so yeah okay and more about yourself you are from kay i am from leicester 2nd year what else do you want to know i like sports yeah aerobics kickboxing spinning and but not with rabbits not with rabbits no no and vets i like vets as well and yeah and i like cocktails especially pink ones cool okay excellent to match the rabbit cool okay so my name is maarika where is the pen okay there is a an if you have not enough room there is an eraser there and you can rub it off yeah well or i can make it smaller so i am the interface designer in this project and my favorite animal i m i mean i am not so sure because i am not so so very familiar with all kinds of animals but i do like dogs 0 sorry maybe i should have should not have said it beforehand but well there are different kinds of dogs but okay that is not bad at all ah it looks like a dog yep okay is a bit more impressive than my rabbit i think it needs 4 legs if it is going to walk though yeah maybe it has some colorful patches yeah the other legs are on the other side yeah and i do like dogs because they are good friends to people and they are loyal well that is compared to some other animals like cats they are really much more fun because they are not so independent yeah maybe maybe the fact that they protect their home as well yeah what it has to do with with my role in the project is hard to say i hope to be loyal to the project and not to n not to let people doing similar projects know the details of our project or something yeah and where where are you from i am from estonia yep estonia so is there anything else you would like to know 0 right my roles so in the different stages of the design so at 1st i will be responsible for for yeah designing the technical functions of the of the remote control then in the in the conceptual design stage i need to come up with interface concept and then in the last stage i will be responsible for the int infa for the user interface design okay that is it thank you okay i will do some i will rub the features and let the drawing stay kay my name is gaurav my favorite animal one of my favorite animals is a cow i have got no idea how to draw a cow good luck this is going to be they are not just like a big round body and then some really skinny legs and then just some horns yeah that will do okay so let let me draw the body 1st big round body really skinny legs and they have got a long tail and a long face it is eating it looks like eeyore and there is some grass there yeah so this is what i like about cows that they just keeps sitting there eating grass they do not disturb anybody they are kind of buddhist in a way horns draw some horns so yeah i like cows my my role in the project is the industrial designer so i am supposed to design all the details of of the product ho how it works and whatever it will take during the functional role what are the various functions that have to be performed by it during the conceptual design what are the various components of it and finally i am not too sure what was the last part the detailed design i i guess it will again be the identification of the components and how they integrate with each other i am from india i am doing my p h d in psycholinguistics i sit at the department of psychology yeah excellent thanks thank you right now now it is my turn obviously okay here is a space that does not look like a cow does it it looks very very cute yeah i like the cow i am jen yeah i like dogs too but i can not do that already because i can not draw a dog as well as you can i like is that a lizard no way wow it is a gecko ah a gecko okay ah okay yeah is there a difference is a ar are they also like lizards or are they yeah they are they are yeah they are l it is a kind of lizard and i i like geckos because they remind me of warm places and ah huh and where i was living in cambodia they used to live in my house and they were on the ceiling and they would make little gecko noises in the evening i hope you do not like snakes do you i do not like snakes i come from australia and we have nasty snakes okay that is where i am from australia i am from melbourne and i am your project manager for today and my role is basically to keep things going and make sure that you all work together in a productive way so that by the end of the day we come up with a great product wonderful okay thank you so let us see what is next in the powerpoint presentation so i have just thought yeah i have just thought about this that we could even put it much more professionally as there we go if you right click on it you can okay so this is the overall budget for our project we have got we are planning to sell these remote controls for let us make that go away that means we have got 5 minutes we are planning to sell the remote controls for €25 each and with that we are aiming for a profit of €50000000 and that is selling them on the international market not just in the u k so to do that our finance people estimate that we need production costs of maximum €125 so that we can reach that profit target so that is something to keep in mind while you are designing okay this is let me just skip ahead to see that is the last thing okay we have only got a couple of minutes does anyone have any 1st ideas to bounce around about what we are thinking of this remote control yep i am just wondering whether whether there is like any special feature that we want to have w want this remote control have as opposed to the already existing ones i think that is probably something that w it is best if we take away with us but if we all have a think when we go away from the meeting what specific things could be included in this remote control that that are out of the ordinary i think i in the beginning one thing was that was mentioned was that it should be trendy user friendly and original so i think your point is relevant as far as the originality is concerned that we should provide some features that are quite unique to this something something new yeah i was looking at the website and the other things that they have made and i like put down some like inspirational words like that i got from looking at the pictures so the motto is we put the fashion in electronics and so it is something that is sleek and stylish but it is still functional you know so i am kind of thinking you know like those phones that they have the new generation ones where they do not actually have any buttons on them and stuff like that huh alright you know so something heading towards that so it is not overly i mean i do not know what h most of the buttons do on my remote controls so i figure how many do you need you know okay so perhaps some sort of menu based thing or something that is a little less crowded than this like i mean you know theoretically you can do all kinds of things with your t v right yeah but what do most people do they turn it on they watch certain specified channels you know and then they turn it off again yeah yeah there is a lot of functionality in there that is not used 90% of the time but will be used 10% of the time yeah sometimes they play a movie yeah so yeah there is no need to have buttons on it to do that maybe to do so no yep it could be one button for a menu or something if you really need to go and do that yeah and then use the so if you are the kind of sad case that knows how your remote control works then you know that is fine and you can do it on the screen rather than everybody else having to have those buttons which just confuse them excellent cause like if you look at the train it is just very like there is no extra bits on it the train on the website and i dunno if you can put it up on the thing but it is just like a long like thing used for mu moving people 0 i have not had a look yet yep but it looks really pretty too great any other immediate thoughts before we move along we can aim for i mean we can think about all these little things but we can aim for something wi that gives a high battery life although i do not think that it is a huge problem for remote controls anyway battery life every now and then you need to replace the batteries yeah yeah but i mean e even though it has to be re original we should not go like too far away from from the usual ones because otherwise the new users will just have a lot of problems with l learning yeah yeah yeah a big learning curve yeah yeah so i it should kind of fit in as well and the stereotype of a yeah it is like those fancy websites hm that you can not access because you have no idea how to get in but the designers thought they were great okay so we need to wrap it up now so that we can go away and get on with some of this we have got another meeting in 30 minutes so you are you will be getting specific instructions once you go back to your workspace but im basically you are looking at the working design alright you are looking at the technical functions design and for you it is the user requirements specification like you said at the start okay okay thanks for that thank you i will see you in half an hour see you carry the laptops back again do we need to unplug things probably" ]

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[ "almost okay so this is our 1st meeting of this design project and i would like to show you the agenda for the meeting i do not know if it was sent around to all of you yeah i did not really anyway this is the plan for today is meeting is firstly just to introduce the project briefly although i am sure you have actually got some of the information already then the main purpose is to so that we get to know each other a little bit more then we want to practice using some of the tools that we will be using during the course of the design project and the meetings specifically the whiteboard over there then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan and discuss come up with some preliminary ideas about it and then that is it so we have got 25 minutes to do that it is until 1125 so any questions not at this point so this is our project what we are aiming to do is to create a new remote control for a television we want it to be something original something trendy and also something user friendly so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use this product use to complete the project that has 3 components as such there is the functional design of the remote control the way we will do that i think is to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to work on that similarly with the conceptual design we will we will start off by working individually with our own expertise on our own laptops and then we will bring what we have done together and then the detailed design will come after that we will pull it all together i am a bit confused about what is the difference between the functional design and conceptual design is it just more detail i think we are talking the 1st talking that the functional design is more your area of things where you will be we want to look at what functions we need in the remote control and what specific things it has to do but the conceptual design is perhaps bigger than that and includes how people are going to use it and that kind of thing so where do we identify the components of our product i think it is in the conceptual design phase that we identify the it is in the conceptual design phase that we identify the components of our product i think we will start that initially with the functional design already okay okay so that is just a brief overview of the point overview of the project itself what i would like us to do now is simultaneously introduce ourselves and start using some of the tools that we are using for the project specifically the whiteboard so each person in turn i would like us to go up to the whiteboard the pens just underneath it there and draw your favorite animal and then tell everyone what your favorite characteristics of that animal are and while you are doing that tell us your name what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role that you are taking in this project 0 you are looking at me would you like to go 1st do i have a choice okay 0 things falling everywhere right okay put them in pockets cool you do not have to hurry we have got plenty of time so my name is katz and i am really not very good at this whole drawing we are laughing so there you go there has got no eyes 0 good thing 0 the eyes always ruin it right okay what do it it is over okay cool this is a rabbit yeah at 1st i thought it was going to be cats yeah i do not think it is furry enough so it will make it no i understand i can see by the ears yeah okay right it is a fluffy rabbit blue rabbits do not come in blue but you know okay and i like it because it is small and it is fluffy and one day you will be able to genetically modify them and they will come in pink 0 okay excellent and what is your role within the team i am the i need my notebook top banana thank you okay cool i am the marketing expert so like i am going to be doing the apparently according to the little guy on the computer that knows everything the user requirements specification of the functional design design trend watching in the conceptual design and product evaluation in the detailed design okay so yeah and more about yourself you are from i am from lester 2nd year what else do you want to know i like sport yeah aerobics kickboxing spinning but not with rabbits not with rabbits no no and vets i like vets as well and yeah and i like cocktails especially pink ones okay excellent to match the rabbit okay so my name is marika where is the pen okay there is a and if you have not enough room there is a new razor there and you can yeah well i can make it smaller so i am the interface designer in this project and my favorite animal i mean i am not so sure because i am not so very familiar with all kinds of animals but i do like dogs 0 sorry maybe i should not have said it before i should not have said it beforehand well there are different kinds of dogs but okay ble that is not bad at all looks like a dog okay it is a bit more impressive than my rabbit i think it needs 4 legs if it is going to walk yeah maybe it has some colorful patches yeah and i do like dogs because they are good friends to people and they are loyal well as compared to some other animals like cats they are really much more fun because they are not so independent yeah maybe the fact that they protect their home as well yeah what it has to do is what my role in the project is hard to say i hope to be loyal to the project and not to not to let people doing similar projects know the details of our project or something yeah where where you from i am from estonia yeah so is there anything else you would like to know 0 right my roles so in the different stages of the design so at 1st i will be responsible for designing the technical functions of the remote control then in the conceptual design stage i need to come up with interface concept and then in the last stage i will be responsible for the for the user interface design okay thank you okay okay i will do some i will rub the features i will let the drawing stay my name is gora of my favorite animal one of my favorite animals is a cow i have got no idea how to draw a cow good luck this is going to be they are not just like a big round body and then some really skinny legs and then just some horns okay so let me draw the body 1st ground body and they have got a long tail and a long face it is eating it looks like you 0 there is some grass there yeah so this is what i like about about they just keep sitting there eating grass they do not disturb anybody they are kind of buddhist in a way yeah i like cows my role in the project is the industrial designer so i am supposed to design all the details of the product how it works and whatever it will take during the functional role what are the various functions that have to be performed by it during the conceptual design what are the various components of it and finally i am not sure what was the last part the detailed design i guess it will again be the identification of the components and how they integrate with each other i am from india i am doing my phd in psycholinguistics i sit at the department of psychology excellent thanks right now it is my turn obviously does it look like a cow it looks very cute yeah i like the cow i am jim i like dogs too but i can not do that already because i can not draw a dog as well as you can i like is that lizards no way wow it is a gecko it is a gecko 0 a gecko okay is there a difference are they also like lizards or are they yeah they are yeah they are yeah they are they are a kind of lizard and i like geckos because they remind me of warm places 0 and where i was living in cambodia they used to live in my house and they were on the ceiling and they would make little gecko noises i hope you do not like snakes do you i do not like snakes i come from australia and we have no okay nasty snakes that is where i am from australia i am from melbourne and i am your project manager for today and my role is basically to keep things going and make sure that you all work together in a productive way so that by the end of the day we come up with a great product wonderful okay thank you so let us see what is next in that powerpoint presentation i just thought yeah i have just thought about this that we could even put it much more professionally than there we go okay so this is the overall budget for our project we have got we are planning to sell these remote controls for let us make that go away that means we have got 5 minutes we are planning to sell the remote controls for €25 each and with that we are aiming for a profit of €50000000 and that is selling them on the internet national market not just in the uk so to do that our finance people estimate that we need production costs of maximum €125 so that we can reach that profit target so that is something to keep in mind while you are designing okay okay let me just skip ahead to see that is the last thing okay we have only got a couple of minutes does anyone have any 1st ideas to bounce around about what we are thinking of this control i am just wondering whether there is like any special feature that we want to have want this remote control have as opposed to the already existing ones i think that is probably something that it is best if we take away with us but if we all have a think when we go away from the meeting what specific things could be included in this remote control that i think in the beginning one thing that was mentioned was that should be trendy user friendly and original so i think your point is relevant as far as the originality is concerned that we should provide some features that are quite unique to this something new yeah i was looking at the website and the other things that they have made and i put down some inspirational words that i got from looking at the pictures so the motto is we put the fashion in electronics and so it is something that is sleek and stylish but is still functional you know so i am kind of thinking you know like those phones that they have the new generation ones where they do not actually have any buttons on them and stuff like that 0 right you know so something heading towards that so it is not overly i mean i do not know what most of the buttons do on my remote controls but i figure how many do you need you know so perhaps some sort of menu based thing or something that is a little less crowded than this i mean theoretically you can do all kinds of things with your tv right but what do most people do they turn it on they watch certain specified channels you know and then they turn it off again there is a lot of functionality in there that is not used 90% of the time but will be used 10% of the time there is no need to have buttons on it to do that maybe to do it could be one button for a menu or something if you really need to go and then use that so if you are a kind of sad case that knows how your remote control works then you know that is fine and you can do it on the screen rather than everybody else having to have those buttons which is confusing excellent because like if you look at the train it is just very like there is no extra bits on it the train on the website i do not know if you can put it up on the thing but it is just like a long like thing used to moving people but it looks really pretty too great any other immediate thoughts before we move along we can aim for i mean we can think about all these little things but we can aim for something that gives a high battery life although i do not think that it is a huge problem for remote controls and your battery life every now and then you need to replace the batteries yeah but even though it has to be original we should not go too far away from the usual ones because otherwise the new users will just have a lot of problems with learning yeah so it should kind of fit in as well it is like those fancy websites stereotype of a yeah but you can not access because you have no idea how to get in but the design is not very great okay so we need to wrap it up now so that we can go away and get on with some of this we have got another meeting in 30 minutes so you will be getting specific instructions once you go back to your workspace basically you are looking at the working design right you are looking at the technical functions design and for you it is the user requirements specification like you said at the stuff okay okay thanks for that thank you i will see you in half an hour see you carry the laptops back again do we need to unplug things probably" ]

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[ "hello dang it and then you have to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot alright it is important to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot over here okay no that is okay joost your mouse what no mouse needed i have got a touch pad do you know how how i can wake it up a touch pad no my laptop slap it you with your brilliant ideas i do not know if i can touch the power button do you know how how i can wake it up is no yeah try the power button 0 come on move it now wake up bitch huh f 5 f 5 i have lost my screen yeah so did i i closed it i do not that wasn that was not very smart i guess come on get back to me yes yes i closed the i closed it you have got your name yeah my name is name no i did not restart it i just closed it yes hope it working alright no never close your laptop yeah everybody is ready great yeah great thanks well welcome to the kick off meeting i forgot to put my name over here it is it is martin so you all know well this is the agenda for today well the opening is what i am doing right now we going to do some acquaintance acquaintance things give some examples of the tool training project plan discussion and the closing we have 25 minutes okay the project aim is to design a new remote control some of the oje objectives are that is has to be original trendy and user friendly so now we all know what our okay goal is i 0 forget i forget the whole acquaintance part but we we all know each other we all know each other is names joost guido antek yes what is your name yes antek antek ahmet okay and joost i think we al already been through that part okay yeah okay it consists of 3 levels of design we begin with the functional design then we go to the conceptual design and the detailed design every level of design consists of some individual work and we close it with a meeting you all received an email with a example of our explanation of what the particular level of design means to the different functions and you p you probably read that already so i do not have to tell you about that yes yes okay 1st we are going to going to try some different things with the tools we have over here so you get acquainted with these meeting tools we have the smart boards the thes those 2 boards this is the presentation boards wh which one i am using right now you can there is a document folder called the sh shared document folder you can upload your documents to that folder and then you can open them over here so you can do your powerpoint presentations on this screen we also have the white board we are going to skip through th can we see the white board on our laptops no no just on the on the screen over there no i saw i saw the file the smart board that x b k but 0 no probably is but i do not know if the software is on the laptop is is if it is mainly a thing for in the meeting so i do not think it is i do not know if it is important okay this an explanation of the smart boards there is a tool bar over here it is quite simple you have the the pen function eraser function it is like a very simple paint application we well we use the same file during the whole day and you can make new sheets by by pu puttin pressing on the blank button it works like this 0 if pen is selected yes 0 no no with that pen it is not but it is pen it is not working like a pen yet huh huh it is doing some stuff now little bit slower so you can use a pen you can use an eraser and you can make new fi new blanks and you can change the line width and the color of the pen by pressing on forward which y you have to select pen format and then select current color or line width so it is quite easy well now you are all acquainted with the different tools right we are going to try out the electronic white boards every participant should draw his favorite animal and some of its favorite characteristics on blank sheets with different colors with different pen widths i will start off then i will use this same sheet alright 0 let me think different colors 0 well i am going to draw a p piranha a fish piranha okay 0 i am going to use some different color now some a little white looks like a fish think it is 0 0 color this is black i think so yellow 0 0 this is just useless drawings but 0 teeth i need teeth well they are not supposed to be green or whatever color this is okay what was i have su to sum up its favorite characteris well i like its sharp razor sharp teeth different plus the the big forehead and a small well a small actual face and i like its overall aggressive look and well that is what i like about piranha okay i think that is kind of what the intention should be well who wants to be next nobody i guess i will try you go guido yeah okay i will try make a new sheet it is by pressing on blank blank yep okay then pen again yep okay and so in the format menu you can choose the different colors and pen widths okay format control ah purple i do not know what my favorite animal is but the easiest animal i can think is is a bird i will you know i thought of that actually that is my bird yeah yeah is not it quite it is a little bit light another color maybe a red one a small one line width 2 3 0 that is okay that is another one well tell us something about your favorite characteristics of these particular birds ano it is a yeah it is the most simple animal i know i think its simplicity i do not know maybe because there is there is some s free maybe in the sky or something like that 0 okay okay maybe a little bit yeah i do not know okay no it is clear so more birds n no no we get your point okay okay okay okay who wants to be next yeah whatever i will go next thanks i have not got a favorite animal too so m pictionary 0 what should i draw a cow 0 thank you i will draw a penguin okay yeah i will draw a penguin whatever i can not draw so you can start to laugh already i will do so whatever something like that come on yeah it is little bit hard orange orange of course whatever 0 it is better than your bird yeah everything is better than your bird yeah true whatever hey it is blue no whatever i like its ugliness and yeah whatever the way it walks or whatever okay your turn kay drawing i am going to draw a cat i do not know why but a cat is a very smart animal and you can have them at home which is not as the case with with bingwings and well you can have a piranha at home ye yes yeah huh or a line a little bit i mean a bird yeah do not mess with my birds yeah it is not very very good drawn but you can see a cat from it it is a handicapped cat cat i do not think i do not think darwin would agree with that it is ah it is not scared he is crying but he is crying because it is ugl because of his ugliness okay what do you like about it then it is i most cats are small 0 okay you can handle them okay okay okay and then we are through the tool training i guess okay i would not call it training but okay this is something about the project finance the selling price of our remote control is going to be €25 and our profit aim is €15000000 we are very ambitious on this one the market range is international so it is going to be sold world wide and the production cost should be a maximum of €12 50 per remote control so that is clear yeah okay alright okay we are now going to discuss some stuff when well we are going to brainstorm about what kind of kemoro romo remote control it is going to be well tell me about your experiences with the remote controls do you have know what good experiences with remote controls or do they annoy you sometimes yes are they difficult to understand or maybe they do not interact with different kind of equipment very well i do not th i do not think the 4 of us got problems with remote controls but if you see elderly people yeah okay all these buttons and then they buy new t v because their previous one was stolen or whatever different okay and then a totally different remote control with with different functions on different places and half of the functions a are removed or whatever so i think what we need is is a clear remote control with grouped buttons you know all th all the buttons which apply to the text functions in in one different functions of of well one area or whatever not like the button to enter text on top of the remote control and the button to yeah to minimize it to this this or whatever 00 other functions totally somewhere else okay i think we should group them yeah and same for the for the volume buttons and the the t okay and is it going to be a remote control that is what it can be used for different kind of equipment like your t v and your home stereo well i was i was thinking since a t v is mostly used together with a v c r or d v d player or recorder yeah and not with a stereo i think it should be good to include functions for v c r s and d v d players recorders but the d v d players and home cinema sets often double as stereo hi fi sets probably yeah it is what from my experience but is not it i do not know hi fi set is not often used as i know of in combination with television okay but we going to it is only for television i thought yes not 0 it is only for televis i thought it was only for television so so we probably do not have to have to have the functions for d v d player or v c r yes it is only for television but so wha what well what wha what what document well we we are going to brainstorm about that if we think it is useful we do it but where where did it where did you find that in the email 0 okay that is right i thought it said yeah television remote control it is a television remote control but i was thinking since it is useful with d v d yes yeah but most television remote controls support other functions as well yes that is something extras so we can no we have to think about that true yeah true okay but we have going to put some a is is it so user friendliness is a is a pri priority in this case or yep yeah also no one is going to buy it yeah yeah yeah okay yeah i guess only the experts true well this the maybe is some aspect of the or or some point at at which we can excel by making it very useful yeah that w well then you are you are the usability man so this going to be a very important task for you then 0 my god yeah okay okay well other ideas how can we make it trendy or something do by just sh shape and the look of it to go with to go with fashion and maybe a can opener underneath it for the bear i do not know or someth something special like m p 3 player inside of it or 0 well then the production costs are going to be too high probably i i no i think it yeah way too high i th i think yo we have to keep it simple to get a whole market yep it is international so we have to use a standard okay maybe with different type of fronts or well m has to be something spectacular or one which makes it we going to skip back to the goals probably well that is an idea of course yeah original trendly and user friendly well we al also already talked about user friendliness no well something trendy and original well that that goes hand in hand i guess yeah when something is original it tends to be trendy probably or we should make it combination of that kay so you the technical part of the process is something you are going to look after for so you have to think about what kind of equipment you want to you know you want to manage with it well and that is an important part for you then with gogors regards to the user friendly part of it use friendly yep well and you should look out for what makes it trendy well you know y like some special feature or some does it does it gets some gadgetness or something yeah yes what the market wishes okay well the closing next meeting starts in 30 minutes individual i think so the the industrial designer will w or the working design of course we will already s said that the user interface designer is it a user inter user interface the technical functions design yeah yeah yeah yeah interface d and the management expert of the marketing expert user requirements specifi well this one was already clear to us specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach i do not know how much time we have left 0 not many i guess we started at 12 you just got a message 0 and what does it said and it said 5 minutes so we got 45 0 i do not w okay well i did not get a message no he is the whatever 0 the project manager team leader no we are ahead of schedule then team leader he is the whatever yeah close it i am going to make some minutes or take some minutes okay yes and it is it is clear you can put the stuff in the project documents presentations okay you can all or we are all project joc project documents is for showing on the white board yeah yeah but we are all familiar with microsoft powerpoint are we yeah yes yeah yeah okay i am going to wri write some stuff down and then we are ready alright okay or we can leave already i guess yeah or or sh or should we or is important that we 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kickoff meeting i forgot to put my name over here it is martin so you all know what is the agenda for today well the opening is what i am doing right now we are going to do some acquaintance things give some examples of the tool training project plan discussion and the closing we have 25 minutes okay the project aim is to design a new remote control some of the objectives are that it has to be original trendy and user friendly so now we all know what our goal is i forget the whole equation part but we all know each other we all know each other is names yost hito anteck anteck am i okay i think we already have been to that part yeah okay it consists of 3 levels of design we begin with the functional design and we go to the conceptual design and the detail design every level of design consists of some individual work and we close it with a meeting you all receive an email with an example of our explanation of what the particular level of design means to the different functions i do not know you probably read that already yes yes i do not have to tell you about that ok 1st we are going to try some different things with the tools we have over here so you get acquainted with these meeting tools we have a smart board those 2 boards this is the presentation board which one i am using right now there is a document folder called the shared document folder you can upload your documents to that folder and then you can open them over here so you can do your powerpoint presentations on this screen we also have the whiteboard we are going to skip the whiteboard on our no no just on the file the smart board 0 well probably but i do not know if the software is on the laptop but it is it is mainly a thing for in the meeting so i do not think it is i do not know if it is important this is an explanation of the smart board there is a toolbar over here it is quite simple you have the pen function the razor function is like a very simple paint application we use the same file during the whole day and you can make new sheets by pressing on the blank button it works like this 0 the pen is selected yes 0 no no pen is not but it is a pen it is not working like a pen yet so you can use a pen so you can use a pen you can use an eraser and you can make new blanks and you can change the line width and the color of the pen by pressing on forward which you select pen format and select current color or line width so it is quite easy well now you are all acquainted with different tools 0 yeah we are going to try out the electronic whiteboard every participant should draw its favorite animal and some of its favorite characteristics on blank sheet with different colors with different pan widths well i will start off then i will use this same sheet well i am going to draw a piranha and fish okay i am going to use some different color now a little white looks like a fish i think it is what is this black 0 yellow 0 this is just useless drowings but theat teeth well they are not supposed to be green or whatever color it is okay okay what was i have some of its favorite characteristics well i like its razor sharp teeth plus the big forehead and the small well small actual face and i like its overall aggressive look and that is what i like about the piranha i think that is kind of what the intention should be well who wants to be next nobody i guess i will try i will try make a new sheet by pressing on blank yeah okay then pen again yeah okay so in the format menu you can choose the different colors and the penites okay format 0 i do not know what my favorite i do not know what my favorite animal is but the easiest animal i can think is a bird yeah yeah it is a little bit light another color maybe a red one a small one line one 2 3 that is okay that is another one tell us something about your favorite characteristics of these particular birds it is simplicity yeah it is the most simple animal i know i do not know maybe because they are such free and maybe in the sky or something like that maybe a little bit yeah i do not know okay so i will take more birds no we get your point okay wants to be next okay yeah whatever i will go next thanks i have not got a favorite animal too so i will pictionary what should i draw a cow thank you i will draw a penguin yeah i will draw a penguin whatever whatever i can draw so you can start to laugh already whatever something like that whatever it is better than your bird everything is better than your bird true whatever hey it is blue whatever i like its ugliness and whatever the way it walks or whatever your turn okay drawing i am going to draw a cat i do not know why but cat is a very smart animal and you can have them at home which is not as a case with with ping wings and you can have a a parania at home yes you can or a line i mean a bird do not mess with my bird it is not very very good drawn but i can see a cat from it it is almost a piranha i do not think i do not think darwin would agree with that it is nice it is nice cat he is crying but he is crying because of his ugliness what do you like about it then most cats are small you can handle them okay okay and then we are through the tool training i guess i guess i would not call it training okay this is something about the project finance the standing price of our remote control is going to be €25 and our profit aim is €15000000 we are very ambitious on this one the market range is international so it is going to be sold worldwide and the production costs should be a maximum of €12 50 per remote control for remote control so that is clear yeah okay we are now going to discuss some stuff we are all going to brainstorm about what kind of remote control is going to be tell me about your experiences with the remote controls do you have good experiences with remote controls or do they annoy you sometimes are they difficult to understand or maybe they do not interact with different kind of equipment very well i do not think the 4 of us got problems with remote controls but if you see elderly people all these buttons and then they buy new tv because their previous one was stolen or whatever and then a totally different remote control with different functions on different places and half of the functions are removed or whatever so i think what we need is a clear remote control with grouped buttons you know all the buttons which apply to the text functions in one different functions well one area or whatever not like the button to enter text on top of the remote control and the button to yeah to minimize it to this or whatever other functions totally somewhere else i think we should group them same for the volume buttons and is it going to be a remote control that is a remote control that is what it can be used for different kind of equipment like your tv and your well i was i was thinking since a tv is mostly used together with a vcr or dvd player or recorder and not with a stereo i think it should be good to include functions for vcrs and dvd players the dvd players and home cinema sets often yeah well as stereo hi fi sets probably that is what from my experience i do not know how i said is not often used as i know in combination with the television but we are going to it is only for television i thought yes 0 it is only for television i thought it was only for television yes it is only for television but so we probably do not have to have to function for dvd players well we are going to branch some about that if we think it is useful we do it where did it where did you find that in the email that is right it said television remote control but i was thinking since in the most television remote control support other functions as well yes so we can we have to think about that okay but we have got to put some so user friendliness is a is a priority yeah else no one is going to buy it okay i guess the experts well this maybe is some aspect of the or some point at which we can in excel by making a very useful then you are the usability man so this is going to be a very important task for you then yeah okay well other ideas how can we make it trendy or something by just shape and the look of it to go with fashion maybe a can opener underneath it i do not know or something special like an mp 3 player inside of it well then the production costs are going to be too high yeah way too high i think we have to keep it simple to get a whole market it is international maybe with different types of fronts or must be something that is an idea of course it is spectacular which makes it we can skip back to the goals probably original trendy and user friendly we already talked about user friendliness well something trendy and original well that goes hand in hand i guess and something is original tends to be trendy you should make a combination of that so the technical part of the process is something you are going to look after for so you have to think about what kind of equipment you want to manage with it well there is an important part for you then with regard to the user friendly part of it well you should look out for what makes it trendy well you know like some special future or some you know did he get some gadgetness or something yes what the market wishes okay well closing net meeting starts in 30 minutes individual acting so the industrial designer will the working design of course already said that the user interface designer is it user interface technical functions design and the management expert of the marketing expert user requirements especially well that is what was already clear to us specific specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach i do not know how much time we have left 0 not many i guess started at 12 just got a message 0 and what does it and it said 05 minutes so we got 45 okay well i did not get a message no he is the whatever team leader team leader i had a schedule them he is the whatever you can close it i am going to make some minutes or take some minutes and it is it is clear you can put the stuff in the project documents presentations you can all project documents is for showing on the whiteboard yeah we are all familiar with the microsoft powerpoint yes okay all right we are going to write some stuff down and then we are ready okay well we can leave already i guess should we or is it important that we leave at the exact no no i do not think so yes yes we will see each other in 30 minutes yeah good luck good luck i will not need it i will not need it i am" ]

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[ "wait for the marketing director actually so anyways see shall we wait i am not sure if he is late or delayed or whatever so i am going to start soon we have now do not have much time anyway 0 there he is yes okay we there you are okay sorry a little bit of pl little problem with computer no problem we are about to start so have a seat okay welcome again today functional design phase i will take you over the minutes of last last meeting okay that was just to get to know each other have a little thoughts on what your vision is and on this project so i put the minutes on the i made on the on the p the the project share so if you want to review them they are there i will do so after every meeting so if you have some information you want to take back you can find it there anyways today 3 presentations from every one of you after that i got some new project requirements from project board so we are going to go af go after over this later but i want to start with stuff you did 1st so we can see what everybody came up with and after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts so who would like want to go 1st yeah sure no problem go ahead take it there was a little problem with my computer so not the whole presentation anyway let us see what you have yeah okay and it is still a bit open i want to open the my s 0 no you should close it on your own notebook i guess yeah 0 no that is okay so there okay slide show yes the functional requirements it is very important for the user he he wants to yeah the the method we used it it is not m not a slide because it went wrong but the method we use we tested it w with a 100 men and we asked them to w what the remote f feel like and what what is important if i can cut in is it people or men people sorry is it people okay both women and men yeah cause i thought it was only men so kay okay the findings 75% of the users find most remote controls ugly that is pretty shocking so we have to s we have to do something about that yeah and yeah most th th they want to spend money for a better system for better remote control so we can do a l a little nice things with it and they use yeah they use zap a lot 50% say they only so that is the most important things okay 0 yeah not all of it is it on mine on my powerpoint presentation but the relevant buttons are the power the channel selection and the volume selection okay just talk ahead it is the most basic buttons that a user wants to use less important is tel teletext they use it but it is not very important on the scale of 0 to 10 they 65 and but not important is the channel selection okay that is okay the the that is a little weird 0 the the no no no no no that is very important but w and not important in the audio settings display settings and which channel selection okay we can we can hide those under a menu or something okay 0 okay yeah new preferences preferences beep to find your control was that was in the test that is like a button on your t v the the most people f find it irritating when they cannot find a rem their remote control remote okay so i think it is a bee beep to sound it and you can find it and another thing they want was speech recognition so they can say what they want to let us go to channel one and that is kind of things okay and they want maybe an l c d screen to to look it wh what is on every channel and what do i want with it we want to have a little preview on the remote control yeah preview what is on the channel okay is that manageable cause it sounds pretty expensive too that sounds too it is possible but i think it is expensive but do continue yeah okay yeah my personal preferences is a button for my favorite channel so i can i dunno so i can zap to my f quick to my favorite channel wh what i so the remote mu must see or must see wha what mine preferences are for which channel so i can zap t to okay you do not set it yourself it just remembers the channel that you are on most for example what you want the you want it to be programmed for example y programmed f or you want it to recognize your favorite channel yeah yeah recognize let us see you you spend 20 minutes each day on that channel so it recognizes your favorite channel yeah yeah that is what my personal preference like okay so it is it it does it recognize itself you do not have to set it okay no itself maybe it is easier to to sell it but okay i do not know it is manageable but we will we will see i see yeah it is a little bit it is the end of it it is a little bit i lost it the computer crashed so okay okay no problem it is it is okay that is yeah go ahead shall i go okay yeah so some technical functions darn computer basically i have some issues which you discussed earlier yeah let us just start with the method it sounds really easy what does the user do what does the th remote control do but there are quite some issues so the things i am going to concentrate on are the user aspect because the technical aspect that is pretty much covered we can do that what goes wrong at the user gets the remote control where is the remote control we have all had it once i want to watch some television where is the remote control yeah that was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder a really good idea yeah that seems very good these are just the issues i come to some personal experience findings possible solutions later searches for the button there are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear also symbols tend to fade after a while there is nothing more annoying than faded symbols because you do not know which channel is this button so possibly we could find something for that yes okay so have it more make it more durable actually okay covered that 0 yes user presses the button usually when you have a lot of buttons buttons are small so you press more once remote control goes okay so the buttons should be kablouey or something like that so we have to pay attention not to put too mun too many buttons on the remote control yeah and possibly also the size so more important buttons bigger si wow the s yeah make it make them bigger even more durable so this is basically what i h had in mind in the fade proof symbols locator a sound so clear we should stick to existing symbols but maybe we could do a little investigation to see whether some symbols are need to be replaced by others okay this i pretty much covered so what we want to go to is not this one but more less buttons easy some bigger buttons yeah it is true yeah so that is basically what i had in mind yeah that is clear this is not the final design this is just a general idea of how i would like to see basically the general idea no of course yeah i must say that it so that was it that was it okay that was good so we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere and increase it the durability of of the thing yeah i think it is a really good idea so the other aspects we will just see how what you came up with and what is possible for that budget yeah yeah okay okay that is fine okay now work a little with me okay well let us start it as it is okay the method there are a few questions that need to be answered you already talked about it a little bit which buttons are wanted is our remote control universal or should it be programmable if it should be programmeab grammeale then we need something like a mode that you can switch it because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do and how big is the remote control going to be i will tell you why that is important to me there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control so that is why i also would like to say go a little bit easy on the designs i heard ab you talking about beeps and about video screens but the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already so keep in mind that everything that you keep think of it has to b to be built so it is that is not as easy as it s might look like yeah of course okay material study i am working on that for the the costs i have to check out how far i can go with that normally a circuit board is made of fiberglass and the wires are made of copper that is how it is done and all the remote controls work that way i think we can just go on with that then i have read more integration of materials means less cost for the production the more we can make at once in one piece that is cheaper you mean integrate them all into the circuit board exactly so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it then that is cheaper okay yeah okay so we have to make something that is not too difficult in design again so you have this is what look like looks like if you press one button so this is not the entire thing you have the the power coming in then you have like a switch the switch if you p press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor that thinks over a morse code that is how you should see it the morse code goes to the amplifier then the signal is sent to 2 light bulbs you have infrared and an interv how to say it a light in indication light that you know that it is functioning here again that is my story about the different modes if you do want to make remote universal then the processor has to make up a different morse code when some button is pressed that makes it much more complex so we really need to have a look do we want that or not i do not have any personal p preferences so far except for the materials to be used light that they are light okay okay that was it that was it i will get back to my thing then okay back this up to the screen so i got some new information on the project specifications are changing a little like you said teletext is not not very popular anymore because the the internet nowadays people do not use the teletext anymore or hardly so it can either well i do not think we should remove the button because there are always people who are using it yeah but i do not think it should be very it should be one of the big buttons for example just put it somewhere or under 2nd option or whatever it is not important anymore we are targeting young people now because our this is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people which are the younger people were defined under 40 yeah i so i think it is that is also good with the fashion and everything so yeah b yeah and they want to pay for it and they want to pay for it people are willing to spend money actually to buy a remote that they like with more if they like the way it looks the way it functions so they are actually going to spend spend money on it where with more technical specifications yeah in the see how far we can go with it anyway so and one thing that should be important is that the corporate l color and slogan are recognizable yeah which is apparently black and yellow but i am not sure if we i think we should keep the the logo in mind because with colors you can have a lot of fashionable colors and everything on it which suits everybody is taste so with that concept i started thinking so why not just steal nokia is idea and just make changeable covers for your i mean those cost hardly anything i think and people could even spend extra money 0 yeah on buying a cover and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see or we can sh for example we can make a different a basic design and sell the covers separately for example that is just a little marketing idea that could be applied so you can p it appeals to really everyone so you do not have to i think you do not have to make entire remote controls we make a basic one and manufacture this cover separately so that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone so just i am not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime after making a presentation yeah would you like to share no i think this is a good idea okay but but 0 is it manageable go ahead yeah with with an l c d screen you can is it easy 0 yeah i think we should lose the l c d screen like you said y yes i think so too why yeah i think for example it is it is huge i think the l c d is huge it consumes batteries like hell nokia w i think it takes up a lot of a lot of power yeah and it costs too much to fabricate so we are on a tight budget here it costs a lot i think okay okay what we could do what could be possible is maybe not an l c d screen but with a preview but y i am not sure if it is even possible for example a little t v guide like you have a little just just a text only not color just a little text thing so you can use your remote as a t v guide yeah i am not sure it is even possible but maybe okay make it yeah find a little compromise in that but what did i write down i have to check that out i am not sure yeah i think the p yeah the beep is a very simple thing to imple implement just make a button on your t v and just hit the button it beeps somewhere that must be possible i think it is easy to implement we should go for that ja i am sorry whe where do you want to hit the t you want to we want a button on the television and it is speech recognition i thin yeah i mean where else should you put it in th okay but that rules out a universal remote control because that is not possible yeah but how are you going to use that if your i mean if your remote control is lost how are you going to press where are you going to press the button yeah exactly maybe just a slap on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal a slap on sticker 0 you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your t v yeah exactly yeah that could be possible a little little box you can attach to your t v is fine then okay okay then i would i would like to know now if we want the universal remote control or not because that is determines everything i am going to do i think it is universal i think we should go for universal because apparently we are a separate company making separate c remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people if not okay yeah i think universal remote control should be possible okay then i go for that everyone wants to buy it so we w yeah yeah i think we are targeting everyone so remote yeah okay no it is fine with me but then i know what to look for okay universal is good speech recognition i think it is very hard because we are selling across multiple countries so i think implementing speech recognition is such a small apparatus it is very hard to do yeah or one or when you say 12 i it it is enough right and it is yeah but i do not see arabian people speaking 12 whatever but 0 yeah besides that the technology is not really super yet so that is a problem in implementing this it is yeah yeah it is not a mature technology i think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control so okay it is a good idea but it is just not i do not think the market is ripe for that yet i do not think it should be implemented in a remote control yet huh yeah what else do we have well you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable so the the the symbols will not fade maybe a little harder plastic or especially li we do not maybe we do not have have to do all the buttons exactly i already noted that but especially the ones that are the popular buttons so those always fade 1st okay okay the thing is the most important things that we have now let us see if we make a remote control with changeable covers then we can also make a cover for every language area that is fo is especially for older people that they can read it read it in their own language for example well we are not we are not targeting older people we should remember that yeah everything we target is under 40 so that is okay okay you assume that that they read correctly and i think they are the most important thing about young people is that they are really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world huh but b okay so but should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just the no of course no i think it is just something you you put over them because yeah we c yeah you ca well but every c that is a problem with the with the text then tha that is not a that is not a bad that is not even it is not even a bad idea i mean for example if you are if you are into the durability issue you could for example if your buttons are faded after i mean if you make a durable remote they are faded you can just buy a new cover i am not sure it is it is hard to make okay but i know that the buttons are like a nokia telephone on one sleeve so you do not have to change your whole cover so it is a good and a bad idea we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve know what i mean 0 0 yeah i know what you mean it works the same as a nokia telephone it is it is in my kay yeah i know it is just just a 11 piece of rubber for example okay yeah exactly yeah yeah that is what i something i have to look into either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover i am not sure which which is easier so anyway yeah this is what we are going to do afterwards just lunch break and have more individual work after that so let us see what we let us see we so you have to come up with a components concept yeah i want some you should do some trend watching because even if we are if we are going to do those covers and everything what people really want yeah that is what we need to know in this phase because that is going to be the essential final design that we are going to come up with yeah okay yeah i think user interface is fairly obvious i mean it should be very intuitive s yeah it should speak for itself pretty straightforward for example i bought a remote control last week with a new t v it was it l it is like all buttons and you have no idea what it does at 1st and i am total t v new anyway so i think it should be have less or l very little buttons and maybe a 2nd 2nd level menu for the advanced things or maybe just stick em under a menu like you said the the sound options and the surround and whatever they are more complicated just stick em under one menu and give it a just put it in in s in a software piece you can menu and you can select everything you want to to set on your t v is it techni technically possible to send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu yeah because we are working with different types of television so we are going to work with that that is true i do not think so no that is true no i do not think so because the television needs to respond to the signal and if it does not know how it is exactly that is not possible yeah that is true it is an in built menu is not it yes so basically we i am not sure if it is impossible but there is a chance it is not so or we could use a double sided for less used functions you a double sided remote control yeah with the cover i do not think that is useful i it is basically an idea to overcome these issues because yeah but then you are going to have a lot of wasted buttons for example you have a sony t v and the half of the buttons will not function if you have a for a sony that will not for a philips t v no but basic functions but functions which are not frequently used yeah because if we use a universal remote control we are going to have to have most buttons on it so i do not think we should yeah for exam yeah i am not s yeah for ex you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a universal remote control that it should do what people usually do with their t v s not not the very complicated settings that you can usually do that with either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing but but that might be broken you can not you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of t v s i think there is i think there is a standard for example between because usually the the menu is the menu button is is usable between different brands especially the big ones the big brands so cause everybody i have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button so i think i am not sure if you can put some research into that if it is possible i think just a b and the navigation is very basic it is usually the same thing okay but i think there must be a way to invoke the more complicated functions of a television for instance if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours then you should be able to get everything out of the television that is in it yeah yeah that is true yeah yeah because otherwise you will lose functions by buying our i think so we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu i think it is possible just the way how to yeah okay i thi i think so too yeah yeah yeah then then you could do everything i suppose because usually the t v s have tha that inside in this other little piece of software so it is okay and i think that our r remote control should not look like any other for instance sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices and you always grab the wrong one because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same only the labels are different yeah yeah i think it should be a little distinct from everything else because it is either it is both mayb maybe the shape can be a little different we should not do that exactly yeah yeah i have some ideas i have some ideas maybe it is a little more curves or whatever yeah that is your division and with different colors so i will put some on paper and present them next time the ideas that i have yeah this not sure what because we have 40 minutes i am not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway so okay i heard a beep go yeah but it was not me it was him closing something yeah so anyway yeah we could do some i do some work now on on the design for example i mean what do you want do you want but yeah but we like some some curves or yeah may maybe something like this but though smooth inside so you have the transmitter here for example yeah let us see that you what would be handy i think that the the buttons should be the channel buttons should be on their own and a light let us see 12 god damn it 0 we get the general ideas yes yeah okay another one here let us see what i think this should these are always on top of the of the control so they should be here yeah and since you are holding it like this i suggest you put the channel up channel down and volume yeah yeah think it is like this volume withi within the yeah just take it so you have the up channel the down channel the volume do we want that horizontal or vertical do you take triangles or it is it is fine i think i think it should be i think it maybe we should make em bigger or whatever this is basically what people are accustomed to so yeah yeah but this is just a g general idea 0 d yeah maybe the menu button can go i in the middle yeah in the middle it is it is usually there but whoa perhaps we should also make something like a flash on it if you if it is lost for people that are deaf they they will not hear the the beep yeah yeah but for example if it is lost in your armchair we will not see the flash you will not be able to find it yeah and flash takes up a lot of batteries again yeah it is true but it is it is only has to do so when you press the button that it is lost just yeah we could make a combination that it goes beep and that you that some light lights up so and l e d on it deaf people yeah i thought about for deaf people for example so we could do that just a light on it or let us see so we have the basic channels we have got here the power button 0 yeah it is true somewhere over here that thing should be central very important you should not be you should not press it by accident but it should not be stacked away somewhere 0 that is i usually press it on top it is at least that is what i am accustomed to yeah i have another idea i am not sure if it is possible yeah like that is going to work and what would you like to yeah i thought maybe we should move the buttons down and put it here for example to but you r and you are reading from the t you always read from the top to the the bottom of it from top to bottom yeah that is true you should i think the bu the power button should be on top cause it is the 1st thing you do turn it on yeah so it is yeah so power button on top okay mute button mute is that somewhere here do we hardly i think it should be at the bottom somewhere is that used often so i it is sorry the mute button mute do people use that often turn the sound off no it is no cause i am pretty much accustomed to it right over here at least in general but i do not think it is important but i think it i think it should be you c you could put it somewhere here it is not that important no or or with the volume selection no because it yeah people are accustomed to that it is around not not at top at the around the volume selection can i have that i do not know where exactly but sure that is j take this out and here see are we going to take triangles anyway i am drawing triangles but that is pretty much what people are accustomed to are not they yeah it is maybe a bigger lesser than thing so anyway i think this is should be the channels and or sh wha well i am accustomed to the channels being on top no yeah here okay yeah me too yeah that is better okay should we chan okay this 2 channel on the right up and down shall we also look if it is possible to make a rechargeable remote that you do not have to buy new batteries if every yeah well for that is it is on one part it is it is a good thing to recharge it maybe it is more ex expensive yeah maybe we should what what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example you have just put penlite batteries that are rechargeable because it is an it is it is it is very annoying but that is already possible but is not that expensive in the entire package yeah i am not sure y i am not sure it is if it is expensive but just take a look at it because it might be a very good idea because if it is it is useful to have it rechargeable but at the same time yes if you do not want recha if you forgot to recharge it and you want to watch t v now yes you want to be able to put different batteries in it use it now and not in half an hour okay you could make a device but i am not sure how that is possible with the costs that you can put in normal batteries how about rechargeable but it you are the remote also can act as a recharger i think i have a nice idea so then you can choose you have every decision know what i mean not exactly you can put in normal penlites rechargeable penlites but they can also be recharged with the remote with a wire yeah yeah i think it is it is a pretty good idea to have like sort of a maybe a base station that you put on the t v so but yeah that is g could be flat you could insert your remote into it but i think that will cost a lot a normal wire would be better i am not sure like a like a p d a a hand held a what you can just put it in the electricity and it charges itself you do not need basic station well we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal or so you could put that on a t v for example yes that is possible that is true it could be very flat could be very small but it is a very small yeah i am drawing it big now but so you can put your remote on flat for example which yeah and at the backside of remote just just just a little hole yeah for example you just put it down it recharges for example yeah i do not think it is very expensive but again is not that too expensive yeah cause that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries a docking station i am not sure if it costs a lot that that is what he r that is that you that is what you buy yourself yes i am going to try to find that out i am not sure if there is information available on this but it is just an idea we have to find out if it is possible but and do people actually want that yeah they want to pay for it to pay extra they want to pay for rechargeable do they want but they want a rechargeable one yeah i am not sure you should find out if it is if rechargeable is important th there was not a el ask esque yeah these are comfort issues but so i think people will pay they wanted to pay for comfort well this is comfort they want to pay for comfort we just assu we we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it but f yes and yeah we have to either that or make it integrated with a with a docking station yeah exactly i think this is a brilliant product i would buy it myself i think it would be good actually i like the beep part anyway so let us go through the i like the covers that is a brilliant idea can can we save this or i never thought covers is covers is good yeah it is 0 we can save this up and saved we even saved the ant okay so what we have is you have i think you have to do a lot of work on if it is possible for the cost i hope if i have information about that i am going to maybe yeah or maybe you can find out i what people are willing to pay yeah yeah we are going for €25 sales price but just try to find out what they are willing to pay for it yeah okay yeah yeah yeah because if they are willing to pay more we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers we just have to see what it looks like yeah yeah i would like to make a decision what it costs and what kind of materials that we can choose what we want in it and exactly i need it yeah if you have some financial information that that would be nice so could you post some other essentials of what people want so that i can work with some buttons where to put it yeah you seem to have information on that i would like to see some of it was it not possible to send emails around the office no it was not was not allo it was possible not allowed so no it is not not no so that is why i am not sure that you are allowed to share documents on the on the draft yeah my computer crashed so yeah okay i do not care i lost my presentation but i have not heard any complaints yet so 0 your computer okay i have the well i have your powerpoint presentation i can get some inf information out of that yeah but i here i have the the s the homepage of our let us see internet and here is my yeah the 0 they inc they include the new one or just for you 0 where would we here is my marketing report maybe you ca you can look at that and 0 no i did not have that where would we want the teletext button ah yeah because we decided that it is n not that important and one all it tells just let us make make a new tick the new one do we put it somewhere over here other side yeah let us increase it a little because and wha what people want or maybe this is something for the next meeting i can draw out some ideas i have yeah draw us up some some designs of of possible just keep in mind that the important buttons should be on top and either big i have another thing yeah so the more less important well we have decided more or less the basic structure more or less i can put the other buttons in just play a little with this put l shift a little up or down and we will see what looks best yeah what what did you want to say or just po post your designs from time to time on the product share yeah yeah what i al already said is the the the remote controls are always lost maybe another idea but it it is also for people they want to learn it fast not they want to yeah so we do not want we want very little buttons just the buttons you use a lot no it is yeah it is easy to learn wi and yes but it should cover all the functions so possibly just an idea that popped in well what we had function that what people do so people change channels people they change the volume and they they change channel they turn t v off and on for example that is the basic fu that is what you do i am not sure who present that again but those are the basic function that people use it for so those should be very well represented yeah but we could go a step further because some t v s have the possibility to adjust brightness that kind of menus and the if that is true but that is what we stick under the menu button everything is you say in every t v that is configured under the menu yes but it but that is the question is it because we are making because it needs to be configured in the television under the menu yeah but if it is not then we cannot reach it we need to adjust to the technology but i think most modern t v s have it in their menu i think so too i think so too true is not there a possibility to do research on that so we know that for sure if you rule out functions then and that gets known then people are not going to buy it then the consumer bond or something says you cannot do this and that with it no i thi if that is a bad bad com commercial for okay we will we will see what we can come up with another thing i want to say is that we are looking at the market for the age younger than 40 under 40 yeah that is true on my report i did not ish i did not show it in my presentation because my computer crashed yeah yeah they want to pay for an l c d screen and speech recognition the want to pay for 0 so did they really said it like that i yeah those 2 things yeah and do they realize how much that costs shall we that is almost undoable yeah 0 we are not going to be able to sell it for 25 then with an l c d screen younger age 16 and 45 but that is all here here it says no that is that is even if i if we have this lost unit then we cannot do it for that price yeah age 1640 fi interest in main features more critical if if they okay so we are not focusing on this all the interest in features not really the l c 0 here would you pay for speech recognition in a remote control okay yeah that is true so we can speech recognition is quite we can look at the possibilities for an l c d and i dunno yeah just look at the possibilities then because if apparently it is what people want yeah how much it will cost and it is supposed to be a luxurious remote maybe it is not even that expensive or find a compromise maybe just a black and white or for some extra information on it on your programs i well i doubt it but but i really need finance information me too i mean we all do it will come we all do right i think it is something we should put into consideration apparently it is what people want so we should see if what it costs if it is possible yeah yeah yeah we should do a little thing about design because it looks boring really to me even if you put it even if you put a different cover on it it looks still looks boring so different colors maybe and the design it should differ but all this is philips huh philips has this i have no clue well i had basically i just drew something what which would fit into your hand easily okay something like this to make it kind of futuristic 0 i realize if we make it small then it needs to be a little thicker because i need to put all the electronics in it i think it is a very sorry if we make it s smaller less wide yeah then we need to m make it a little thicker because i have to put all the electronics in it okay yeah but you have to j just keep in mind it should not be too heavy okay i mean we can stick it in in there i think no huh even if in the worst case we can even could you give me the pen back so what kind of yeah sure so let us say that people would want an l c d thing let us take take the basic design again what we 0 crap came up with i will just make it a little bigger now so a transmitter here anyway we could let us say we have an l c d screen people want an l c d screen so then we should probably put it here it does not have to be really big but just just have to be has to be there think it is a good place people do not if you are reading from top to bottom i think it is better to put it at the top no it is not that it is not the most important function it is just an extra thing me too it is j ah but it just you press the buttons on top because your finger is on top but i if you if you are going to put the l c d on it i think it is very important to use it because it is use it how can you use an l c d screen but nee the function of it so you can use it maximum because it is a lot it costs a lot so yeah but why i i am not sure now it is pretty much tucked away in your hand if you t if you press a button you can see it ri i am not sure wha i am trying to imagine myself what it would look like no m i personally would prefer it on the top i am you would prefer it n okay yeah huh so we have 3 people saying it should be on top okay but then you would would s have to stack away your buttons somewhere else but it anyways it is expensive to build it so this looks a little you must use the maximum of it i am still not convinced of the about the l c d s thing yeah well if it if it is if it is possible wi if it is not too expensive we should include it because it is it is cool they want it we should just try to make that if it is possible if it is possible we should really do it but we need that information huh also keep in mind again the l c d screen is very flat but it needs transistors resistors i do not know what more and that needs space but so i have to look if that is possible yeah i know but if we so basically can i what we have to decide now is what goes on top we have green now do we put the volume control and the channel control here or do we put it on he would we like to press it in the middle in middle of it or maybe we should m we could draw draw something a bit that has it on on on the bottom in the middle maybe in a circle for example like we like in this example i think this is not good but for we could make circular buttons for example for up and down ma make it a circle on it because it yes but we do agree that we keep this at the center because it is basically the most important function yeah i think the channel button should be in the center it is the most import yeah channel button should be saint stick together for example here in this section because it is well that would make them quite small we are not sure about the size anyway just a general design so maybe you would put them here you can make it as big as you want for example if you take yes but a big remote control probably not something which people would like no let us see for example just if we have a a space issue we can also lose one battery it is rechargeable so we can stick with one instead of 2 yeah that might be an option i do not think if we if we even use an l c d screen we need to definitely yeah but if we need 2 batteries and an l c d screen that means a lot of space that we need yeah but we have to see what the si what the size is but it has to be a little bit heavier okay the l c d does not have to nee does not need to be very big no but the things behind it space let us see like a process finish meeting now it is on your computer finish meeting now okay we will so would we like this or would we like the so either we either we have to decide what what people want i like this one more either this one this this could be the luxurious one so we have channel buttons here i am just drawing something i think this would this would look cool you could have it for example small buttons here for some extra functions so if your basic function is here we should like we decided before programs up and down and volume here let us see what we have here or and what about speech recognition well you can just no i am not sure if we can do that but we could put a microphone in here for example yeah yeah but or or an l c d or an speech i think it is l c d is better now just to do research into both w what it costs and what it takes for space yeah i will try to yeah but let us cut the meeting for now yes one more thing i would like to say let us give this a name and not like some vague serial number that no one understands like with cars okay yeah okay yeah that is yeah that is okay shall we all try to think about a name so i think of a name yeah let us think of a name okay okay 0 good okay at anyways the the minutes will be on the on the web shortly so there we go so yes go and finish up and i will see you at lunch yeah good luck yeah to all same yeah yeah i have do we save the" ]

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[ "wait for the marketing director so anyways yeah now there is not anymore it is really i am not really so you show you wait i am not sure if he is later or later whatever i am going to start soon we have no do not have much time anyway time anyway sorry okay a little bit a little problem with the computer so let us see okay welcome again today functional design phase i will take you over the minutes of lesson that is meeting okay that was just to get to know each other have a little thoughts on what your vision is and on this project so i put the minutes on the i made on the on the the project chair so if you want to review them they are there i will do this so after every meeting so if you have some information you want to take back you can find it there anyways today free presentations for every one of you after i got some new project requirements from project board so we are going to go off go over those later but i want to start with the stuff you did 1st so we can see what everybody came up with and after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts so we would like want to go 1st there is no problem take it there was a little problem with my computer so not the whole press station anyway let us see what you have yeah okay i still have it open i want to open the i should close it on your own notebook i guess 0 no yes the functional requirements it is very important for the user who wants to yeah the method we used it is not a slide because it went wrong but the method we used we tested it with 100 men men and we asked them to what the remote feel like and what is important is it people or men people sorry both women i thought it was only men so okay the findings 75% of the users find most remote controls ugly that is pretty shocking so we have to do something about that yeah they want to spend money for a better system for better remote control so we can do a little nice things with it and the use yeah the use sepilot so that is the most important things okay 0 yeah not all is it on my powerpoint presentation 0 yeah the relevant buttons are the power the channel selection and the volume selection it is the most basic buttons the user wants to use and less important teletext they use it but it is not very important on a scale of 0 to 10 they are 65 okay that is okay but not important is the channel selection that is a little weird which change no no no no no that is very important but not so important is audio settings display settings okay we could hide those under a menu or something okay new preferences and beep to find your control that was also in the test like a button on your tv the most people find it irritating when they cannot find their remote control so i think it is a beep to sound it and you can find it and another thing they want was speech recognition so they can say what they want to let us go to channel one and that is the kind of things and they want maybe an lcd screen to look at what is on every channel and what do i want with it i have a little preview on the remote control yeah preview it is on the channel okay is that manageable because it sounds pretty expensive to it is possible but i think it is expensive but do continue yeah my personal preferences is a better for my favorite channel so i can so i can set to my quick to my favorite channel what i so the remote must see or must see what my preferences are for which channel so i can set it yourself it just remembers the channel that you are on most for example what you want the you want it to be programmed for example yeah program or you wanted to recognize your favorite channel i see you spend 20 minutes each day on that channel yeah so it recognizes it is your favorite channel yeah that is what my personal preference okay so it recognizes itself you do not have to set it no it itself maybe it is easier to set it but okay i do not know it is manageable but we will see yeah it is a little bit it is the end of it it is a little bit i lost as the computer crashed no problem it is okay should i go yeah go ahead now so some technical functions basically i have some issues which you discussed earlier let us just start with the method it sounds really easy what does the user do what does the remote control do but there are quite some issues so the things i am going to concentrate on are the user aspect are the user aspect because the technical aspect that is pretty much covered we can do that what goes wrong at the user gets the remote control where is the remote control we have all had it once i want to watch some television where is the remote control that was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder it is a really good idea these are just the issues i come to some personal experience findings possible solutions later searches for the button there are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear also symbols tend to fade after a while there is nothing more annoying than faded symbols because you do not know which channel is this button so possibly we could find something for that yes okay covered that 0 yes the user presses the button usually when you have a lot of buttons buttons are small so you press more once remote control goes caboey or something like that so we have to pay attention not to put too many buttons on the remote control yeah and possibly also the size so more important buttons yeah bigger even more durable so this is basically what i had in mind in the remote had in mind in that fade proof symbols locator a sound so clear we should stick to existing symbols but maybe we could do a little investigation to see whether some symbols are need to be replaced by others okay this are pretty much covered so what we want to go to is not this one put more less buttons easy some bigger buttons buttons so that is basically where i had in mind this is not the final design this is just the general idea of yeah how i would like to see yeah i am going to general idea so that was it that was it okay that was good so we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere yeah it is a really good idea the durability of the thing so other aspects will just see what he came up with and what is possible for that budget yeah okay that is fine okay that is fine okay now work a little with me okay let us start it okay the method there are a few questions that need to be answered you already talked about it a little bit which buttons i wanted is our remote control universal or should it be programmable if it should be programmable then we need something like a mode that you can switch it because then the buttons have to send out a different signal than they would normally do and how big is the remote control going to be i will tell you why that is important to me there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control so that is why i also would like to say go a little bit easy on the designs i heard you are talking about beeps and about video screens but the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already so keep in mind that everything that you keep think of it has to be built so that is not as easy as it might look like material study i am working on that for the costs i have to check out how far i can go with that normally a circuit board is made of fiberglass and the wires are made of copper that is how it is done and all remote controls work that way i think we can just go on with that then i have read more integration of materials means less cost for the production the more we can make at once in one piece that is cheaper you may integrate them all into the circuit board exactly so if we make a circuit board with the connections already on it then that is cheaper so we have to make something that is not too difficult in design again this is what it looks like if you press one button so this is not the entire thing you have the power coming in then you have like a switch the switch if you press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor that thinks of a morse code that is how you should see it the morse code goes to the amplifier then the signal ascends to 2 light bulbs you have infrared and a light how i said a light an indication light that you know that it is functioning here again that is my story about the different modes if you want to make remote universal then the processor has to make up a different morse code when some button is pressed that makes it much more complex so we really need to have a look do we want that or not i do not have any personal preferences so far except for the materials to be used light okay that was it i will get back to to my thing that okay back to this screen so i got some new information on the project specification or changing a little like you said tedx is not very popular anymore because of the internet now that people use teltex anymore or hartley so we can either well i do not think we should remove the button because there are always people who are using it but i do not think it should be very should be one of the big buttons for example just put it somewhere or under a 2nd option or whatever it is not important anymore we are targeting young people now because our this is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people which are younger people we define under 40 so i think it is it is also good with the fashion and everything so yeah and they want to pay for it and they want to pay for it people are willing to spend money actually to buy a remote that they like they like the way it looks the way it functions so they are actually going to spend on it where with more technical specifications yeah in the course we can go with that anyway so and one thing that should be important is that the corporate color and slogan are recognizable which is apparently black and yellow but i am not sure if we i think we should keep the the logo in mind because with colors you can have a lot of fashionable colors and everything on it which suits everybody is taste so with that concept i started thinking so why i just steal nokia is idea and just make changeable covers for your i mean those cost hardly anything i think and people could even spend extra money on buying a cover so i have an entire new remote control that they like to see or we could for example we could make a different basic design and sell the cover separately for example that is just a little marketing idea that could be applied so you can it appeals to really everyone so you do not have to i think you do not have to make ontario remote controls to make a basic one and manufacture to the cover separately so that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone so just not sure if you came up with anything in a meantime after making a present that you would like to share 0 i think this is a good idea okay but is it manageable yeah is it easy with an lcd screen you can 0 yeah i think we should lose the lcd screen why for example it is huge i think the lcd is huge it consumes batteries like hell i think it takes up a lot of power it costs too much to fabricate okay what we could do what could be possible is maybe not an lcd screen with a preview but i am not sure if it is even possible i am not sure if it is even possible for example a little tv guide like you have a little just a text only not caller just a little text thing so you can use a remote as a tv guide i am not sure it is even possible i have to check that out i might yeah find a little compromise in that but yeah the beep is a very simple thing to implement just make a button on your tv and just hit the button in beep somewhere i think it is easy to implement you should go over that where do you want to hit the you want a button on the television i think yeah i mean where else should you put it okay but that rules out universal remote control yeah but how are you going to use that if you are i mean if your remote control is lost how are you going to press where are you going to press the button exactly maybe just a slap on sticker with a button which sends out a slap on sticker 0 you mean like a separate thing you can attach to your tv yeah that could be possible little box you can actually to your tv find it okay i would like to know now if we when the universal remote or not because that determines everything i am going to do i think we should go for universal because apparently we are a separate company making separate remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people i think universal remote controls to be possible okay everyone wants to buy it so yeah i think we are targeting everyone that is fine with me but then i know what is okay universal is good speech recognition i think it is very hard because we are selling across multiple countries so i think implementing speech recognition implementing speech recognition is such a small apparatus is very hard to do or when you say 12 it is yeah i do not see arabian people speaking one and 2 whatever besides that the technology is not really super yet so that is a problem it is not a mature technology i think it takes a lot of memory and everything in the remote control it is a good idea but it is just not i do not think the market is right for that yet i do not think it should be implemented in the remote control yet yeah what else do we have well you should look into the materials that are a little durable so the symbols will not fade maybe a little harder plastic or especially maybe you do not have to do all the buttons but especially the ones that are the popular buttons so those always fade 1st i think that is the most important things that we have now let us see if we make remote control with changeable covers then we can also make a cover for every language area area that especially for all the people that they can read it in our own language we are not targeting older people you remember that everything we target is under 40 so you assume that that they read correctly and i think that the most important thing about young people is that they are really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world so okay but should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just no no i think it is just something you you put over them because yeah you can well that is not a bad that is not even a it is not even a bad idea i mean for example if you are into the durability issue you could for example if your buttons are faded after i mean if you make a durable remote they are faded you can just buy a new cover i am not sure it is hard to make but i know the bad idea the buttons are like an orc telephone on a one sleeve so you do not have to change your whole cover we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve you know what i mean it works the same as a nokia telephone it is in my own just one piece of rubber exactly yeah that is what something we have to look into either change both the buttons and the cover or just a cover i am not sure which is easier anyway yeah this is what we are going to do after just lunch break and have more individual work after that so let us see where we let us see so you have to come up with the components concept yeah once you do some trend watching because even if we are going to do those covers and everything what people really want that is what we need to know in this phase because that is going to be the essential final design we are going to come up with yeah i think usually the phrase is pretty obvious i mean it should be very intuitive yeah it should speak for itself for example i bought a remote control last week with any tv it was like old buttons and you have no idea what it does at 1st and i am not a total tv anyway so i think it should be have less or very little buttons and maybe a 2nd 2nd level menu for the advanced things or maybe just stick them under a menu like you said the the sound options and the surround or whatever the more complicated of just stick them under one menu and i give it a just put it in in a software piece you can select everything you want to to set on your tv is it technically possible to send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu because we are working with different types of television so we are going to work with that that is true i do not think so no that is true i do not think so because the television needs to respond to the signal it is a in built menu is not it exactly that is how possible so basically we i am not sure if it is impossible but there is a chance it is not or we could use a double sided for less used functions a double sided remote control yeah i do not think that is useful cover it is basically an idea to overcome these issues yeah but then you are going to have a lot of wasted buttons for example you have a sony tv the half of the buttons one function if you have a for sony that basic functions which are not frequently used because if we need a universal remote control we are going to have to have most buttons on it so a notch yeah for you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want to your universe remote control that it should do what people usually do with their tvs not the very complicated settings they can usually do that with either the old remote control if they really hate that thing but you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of tvs i think there is a standard for example between because usually the menu button is usable between different brands especially the big ones the big brands so i have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button so i think i am not sure if you can put some research into that if it is possible i think just the and the navigation is very basic it is usually but i think there must be a way to invoke the more complicated functions of the television for instance if your old remote control is broken and you buy hours then you should be able to get everything out of the television that is in it yeah that is true otherwise your new functions by buying all we need to put some research into that if we can open the menu i think it is possible okay it is the way how to yeah then you can do everything i suppose because usually the tvs have that inside inside their little piece of software so it is okay i think that our remote control should not look like any other for instance sony makes all the remote controls exactly the same for all the devices and you always grab the wrong one because the formatting of the buttons is exactly the same only the labels are different we should not be a little distinct from everything else because it is either it is both maybe the shape can be a little different it is a little more curves or whatever and with different colors i will put some on paper and present them next time yeah the ideas that i have okay not sure we had 40 minutes i am not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway i heard of beep yeah but it was not me it was him closing something so anyway we can do some work now on the design for example i mean what do you want not a tri linger thing but we would like some curves or yeah maybe something like this but a little smooth inside so you have the transmitter here for example let us see that you what would be heading i think the button should be the channel button should be on their own 12 god damn it 0 we get the general idea yeah yeah okay another one here let us see what i think this should these are always on top of the control so this should be here and since you are holding it like this i suggest you put the channel up channel down with it yeah just take it so you have the up channel the volume do we want that horizontal or vertical do you take triangles or well that is fine i think this is basically what people are maybe we should make them bigger or whatever yeah but it is just a general idea maybe the menu button can go yeah in the middle it is usually there perhaps you should also make something like a flash on it if it is lost for people that are deaf they will not hear the beep yeah but for example if it is lost in your armchair you will not be able to find it and flash takes up a lot of batteries again that is true but it only has to do so when you press a button that it is lost we could make a combination that it goes beep and that you aude people yeah i thought about for deaf people for example we could do that just to lie on it or so we have the basic channels we have got here the power button yeah that is true somewhere over here it should be central you should not be you should not press it by accident but it should not be stacked away so much i usually press it on top at least that is what i am accustomed to yeah i have another idea i am not sure if it is possible what would you like to read yeah i thought maybe you should move the buttons on and put it here you are reading from the top to the bottom of it top to bottom yeah that is true you should i think the power button should be on top yeah it is the 1st thing you do turn it on so power button on top okay mute button is that somewhere here i think it should be at the bottom somewhere is that used often sorry the mute button do people use that i am pretty much accustomed to it right over here at least in general i do not think it is important it is not that important no i think it should be or with the volume selection no because yeah people are accustomed to it not at top but around the volume selection i do not know where exactly but take this out here are we going to take triangles anyway i am drawing triangles but that is pretty much what people are accustomed to are not there yeah it is maybe a bigger lesser than thing so anyway i think this should be the channels and what well i am accustomed to the channels being to the channels being here okay yeah that is better okay should be channel okay we go this to channel up and down so we also look if it is possible to make a rechargeable remote that you do not have to buy no batteries that is one part it is a good thing to recharge it maybe it should what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example you have to just put penlight batteries that are rechargeable but that is already possible is it that expensive in the way it is very annoying i am not sure if it is expensive but just take a look at it because it might be a very good idea because it is useful to have it rechargeable but at the same time if you do not want to recharge if you forgot to recharge it and you want to watch tv now if you want to be able to put different batteries in it to use it now and not in half an hour okay now you could make a device but i am not sure how that is possible what the cost that you can put in normal batteries rechargeable i think i have a nice idea the remote also can act as a recharger so then you can choose you have every decision know what i mean not exactly you can put in normal panlights rechargeable panlights but they can also be recharged with the remote yeah yeah i think it is a pretty good idea to have like sort of maybe a base station that you put on the tv it could be flat you could insert your remote into it but i think that will cost a lot a normal wire would be better like a pda a handheld you can just put it in the electricity and it charges itself well we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal so you could put that on the tv for example it could be very flat it could be very small it is a very small yeah i am drawing it big now but so you can put your remote on flat for example and at the back side of your remote just a little hole for example you just put it on and it recharges for example i do not think it is very expensive but again is not that too expensive because that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries a docking station that is what you buy yourself i want to try to find out i am not sure if there is information available it is just an idea and do people actually want that yeah they want to pay for it they want to pay for a rechargeable i am not sure you should find out if it is rechargeable is important there was not asked these are comfort issues but so i think people will pay they want it to pay for comfort pay for comfort well this is i want to pay for comfort which is just so we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it and yeah we have to either that or make it integrated with a docking station i think this is a brilliant product i would buy it myself i think it would be good actually i like the beep part anyway so i like the covers that is brilliant idea can we save this yeah it is 0 we can save this we even save the end and everything so okay so what we have is i think you have to do a lot of work on if it is possible for the cost i hope if i have information about it maybe yeah or maybe you could find out what people are willing to pay we are going for €25 sales price but just try to find out what they are willing to pay just try to find out what they are willing to pay for because if they are willing to pay more we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers or just have to see what that looks like i would like to make a decision model what it costs and what kind of material is we can choose what we want in it you have some financial information exactly i need it that would be nice so could you post some other essentials of what people want so that i can work with some buttons where to put it yeah you seem to have information on that i would like to see some of it was it now possible to send emails around the office no it was not allowed it was possible not allowed so that is why i am not sure that you are allowed to share my computer press so i do not care i know you are going to presentation yet so but i have the well i have your powerpoint presentation i can get some information out of that here i have to see the homepage of our internet are they include the new one 0 where would we here is my marketing report maybe you can look at that where would we want the teletext button because we decided that it is not that important do we put it somewhere over here let us say yeah just increase it a little because and what people want maybe this is something for the next meeting i can draw it some it draws up some designs of possible i have another thing just keep in mind that the important button should be on top and either bake so that it is more or less we have decided more or less i can put the other buttons in just play a little with this shift a little up or down and we will see what looks best what did you want to say or just post your designs from time to time on the product share what i already said is the remote controls are always lost but it is also for people they want to learn it want to learn it fast not they want to do so we do not want to we want very little buttons just the use a lot it is yeah it is easy to learn it should cover all the functions so possibly just an idea that we had functioned what people do so people change channels people they change the volume and they they change channels they turn tv off and on for example that is the basic that is what you do i am not sure who present that again but those are the basic things that people use it for so those should be very well represented yeah but we could go a step further because some tvs have the possibility to adjust brightness that kind of menus that is true but that is what we stick under the menu button everything is usually in every tv that is configured under the menu but that is a question because it needs to be configured in a television yeah but if it is not then we cannot reach it we need to adjust to the i think most modern tvs have it in their menu true is not there a possibility to do research in that and we know that for sure if you rule out functions then and that gets known then people are not going to buy it then the consumer bond or something says you cannot do this and that with it it is bad commercial we will see what we can come up with another thing i want to say is that we are looking at the market for the age younger than 40 that is true on my report i did not show it in my presentation because my computer press they want to pay for an lcd screen screen and speech recognition i want to pay for did i really say it like that yeah those 2 things did i realize how much that cost that is almost unduable we are not going to be able to sell it for 25 then but that is even if you have this if they are lost units then we cannot do it for that price okay so we are not focusing on this all the interesting features not really the else is not really the lcds is not really the lcd would you pay for speech recognition remote control okay so we can speech recognition is we can look at the possibilities for an lcd and yeah just look at the possibilities because apparently it is what people want how much it will call it is supposed to be a serious remote maybe it is not even that expensive or find a compromise maybe just black and white for some extra information i doubt it but i really need finance information me too we all do we all do i think it is something we should put into consideration apparently it is what people want so we should see what it costs if it is possible yeah yeah we should do a little thing about the design because it looks boring really to me even if you put it even if you put a different cover on it it looks different color so maybe and a design this is like philips i have no clue i just do something which would fit into your hand easily something like this to make it kind of futuristic 0 i realize if we make it small then it needs to be a little thicker i think it is a very the elitronica in it if we make it smaller less wide then we need to make it a little thicker because i have to put all the electronics in it yeah we have to okay just keep in mind it should not be too heavy i mean we can stick it in there i think even if in the worst case you can even you get me the pen back yeah sure so let us say people would want an lcd thing let us take the basic design again 0 crap what came up with let us make it a little bigger now so it tries me to hear let us say we have an lcd screen people want an lcd screen so then we should probably put it here it does not have to be really big but it just has to be there think it is a good place people do it if you are reading from top to bottom i think it is better to put it at the top it is not the most important function it is just an extra thing you press the buttons on top because your finger is on top if you are going to put the lcd on it on it i think it is very important to use it because it is how can you use an ocd screen but now the function of it so you can use it maximum because it costs a lot so why i am not sure now it is pretty much tucked away in your hand if you press a button you can see it right i am trying to imagine myself what it would look like i personally would prefer it on the top you would prefer no okay so we have 3 people saying it should be on top okay but then you would have to stack away your buttons somewhere else it is so expensive to build it so i am still not convinced to the well if it is possible if it is not too expensive we should include it because it is cool we should just try to make out if it is possible if it is possible we should really do it but we need that information also keep in mind again the lcd screen is very flat but it needs transistors resistors i do not know what more and that needs space so i will have to look if that has got yeah i know so basically what we have to decide now is what goes on top do we put the volume control and the channel control here or do we put it on here would we like to press in which in the middle in the middle there is something that has it on the bottom maybe in a circle for example maybe in a circle for example like in this example i think this is not good but we could make circular buttons for example for up and down we do agree that we keep this at the center because it is basically the most important i think the channel button should be in the center yeah channel button should be stick together for example here in this section well that would make them quite small we are not sure about the size anyway just the general design you can make it as big as you want for example if you take a big remote control is probably not something which people would like let us see if we have a space issue we can also lose one battery it is rechargeable so we can stick with one instead of 2 that might be an option if we even use an lcd screen we need 2 definitely yeah but if we need 2 batteries and an lcd screen that means a lot of space that we need yeah we will have to see what the size is lcd does not need to be very big no but the things behind behind it then in space let us see finish meeting now so would we like this or would we like the we have to decide what people want either this one this could be the luxurious one so we have channel buttons here i am just drawing something i think this would look cool you could have it for example example small buttons here for some extra functions so if your basic functions here what should like we decided before programs up and down and volume here and what about the speech recognition you can just now i am not sure if we could do that but i could put a microphone in here or an lcd or in a speech i think it will see is better just to do research into both what it costs and what it takes for space yeah but let us cut the meeting for now one more thing i would like to say let us give this a name and not like some value serial number that no one understands like with god yeah okay shall we all try to think about a name i think of a name okay okay okay anyways the minutes will be on the web shortly there we go just go and finish up and i will steal that lunch yeah good luck yeah too all same i need to lunch break i think yeah yeah i will do you just even the question yeah i question you i do not know that you will be" ]

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