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Correct me if I'm wrong. But Rex Tillerson has carried the water to a certain degree. I mean, he's been at odds with the president on some important policy decisions, like Iran. But he has carried forth the edict to make cuts. Critics have called it hollowing out of the State Department, especially in the senior diplomatic ranks. But he has moved that forward - streaming the bureaucracy. Clearly, that has not been enough to endear him to the president.

correct me if i'm wrong but rex tillerson has carried the water. to a certain degree i mean he's been at odds with the president on some important policy decisions like iran but he, has carried forth the edict to make cuts critics have called it hollowing out of the. state department especially in the senior diplomatic ranks but he has moved that forward - streaming the bureaucracy clearly that has not been enough to endear him to the

Correct me if; I'm wrong But Rex Tillerson has carried the water to. a certain degree I mean, he's been at odds with the president on some important policy decisions like Iran But he has carried forth the. edict to make cuts Critics have, called it; hollowing out. of the State Department especially in the, senior diplomatic ranks But he has moved, that forward - streaming the bureaucracy Clearly that has not been enough, to endear, him to the

correct me if i'm wrong. but rex tillerson has carried the water to a certain degree. i mean, he's been at odds with the president on some important policy decisions, like iran. but he has carried forth the edict to make cuts. critics have called it hollowing out of the state department, especially in the senior diplomatic ranks. but he has moved that forward - streaming the bureaucracy. clearly, that has not been enough to endear him to the president.

Well, you know, in some ways, the job of the secretary of state in this sort of circumstances is not simply - to a kind of a docile way - accept a 30 percent cut that's been ordained by a director of the Office of Management and Budget who knows nothing about diplomacy. Your job is to fight back. Your job is to stand up for your department. And that would be the normal thing. And that's, you know, the kind of dark arts of Washington, which Pompeo will be perfectly good at.

well you know in some ways the job of the secretary of state in this sort of circumstances. is not; simply - to a kind. of a docile way - accept a 30 percent cut that's been ordained by a director, of the office of management and budget who knows nothing about diplomacy your job is to fight back your job is to stand up for your department and that would be the normal thing and that's you know the kind; of dark arts of washington which pompeo will be perfectly good

Well you know in some ways the, job, of the secretary of state in this, sort of circumstances is, not simply. - to a kind of a docile way - accept a 30 percent cut that's, been ordained by a director of the Office of, Management and Budget who knows nothing about diplomacy Your job; is to fight back, Your job is to. stand, up. for your department And that would be the normal thing And that's you know the kind of dark arts of Washington which Pompeo will be, perfectly good,

well, you know, in some ways, the job of the secretary of state in this sort of circumstances is not simply - to a kind of a docile way - accept a 30 percent cut that's been ordained by a director of the office of management and budget who knows nothing about diplomacy. your job is to fight back. your job is to stand up for your department. and that would be the normal thing. and that's, you know, the kind of dark arts of washington, which pompeo will be perfectly good at.

The other thing that's happened is he has simply not filled major positions that you're absolutely going to need - like, the assistant secretary of state who deals with East Asia, which happens to be where North Korea's located, or the Middle East, which is where Iran and Saudi Arabia are located. So on some very basic managerial tasks, he has really failed.

the other. thing that's happened is, he has simply not. filled major positions that you're absolutely going to need - like the assistant. secretary of state who deals with east asia. which happens; to be where north korea's located or the middle east which, is where iran and saudi arabia are located so on some very basic managerial tasks he has really

The other thing that's happened is he has simply not filled major positions that you're absolutely going to need - like the assistant. secretary of state. who deals with East Asia which happens to be where North Korea's located or the Middle East which is where Iran and Saudi Arabia are located So on some, very basic managerial tasks, he has really

the other thing that's happened is he has simply not filled major positions that you're absolutely going to need - like, the assistant secretary of state who deals with east asia, which happens to be where north korea's located, or the middle east, which is where iran and saudi arabia are located. so on some very basic managerial tasks, he has really failed.

So you mentioned Mike Pompeo. You say that this is the CIA director who is reported to be the one tapped to take Rex Tillerson's place. I mean, he knows Washington. He knows how to manage a bureaucracy. Will he be able to be the kind of secretary of state that will be efficient? I mean, is he someone that Donald Trump will listen to? Clearly, he didn't listen to Rex Tillerson.

so you mentioned mike pompeo you say that this is the cia director who is reported. to be the one tapped to take rex. tillerson's place i mean he knows washington he knows how to, manage a bureaucracy will he. be able to be the kind of secretary of state that will be efficient? i mean is he someone that donald trump will, listen to? clearly, he didn't listen to rex

So you mentioned, Mike Pompeo You say that this is the CIA director who is reported to be the one tapped to take, Rex Tillerson's place I mean he knows, Washington He knows how to manage, a bureaucracy Will he, be able to be the kind. of, secretary of; state. that will be efficient? I mean is he someone that, Donald Trump will listen to? Clearly he didn't listen to Rex

so you mentioned mike pompeo. you say that this is the cia director who is reported to be the one tapped to take rex tillerson's place. i mean, he knows washington. he knows how to manage a bureaucracy. will he be able to be the kind of secretary of state that will be efficient? i mean, is he someone that donald trump will listen to? clearly, he didn't listen to rex tillerson.

Look. They - you know, sometimes people in the press talk about who is loyal to Trump and who's not. Nobody's actually loyal to Trump as a human being because he's not the kind of human being who can attract loyalty. There are people who are better at manipulating him and people who are worse. Tillerson was terrible at it. Pompeo, on all the evidence, seems to be outstanding at manipulating him.

look they - you know sometimes people in, the press talk about who is loyal to trump and who's not nobody's actually loyal to. trump as a human being, because he's not the kind of human being who can. attract loyalty. there are people who are. better at manipulating him and. people who are worse tillerson was terrible at it pompeo on. all the evidence seems to be. outstanding at manipulating

Look They - you know sometimes people. in the press talk about who is loyal to Trump and who's not, Nobody's actually loyal to Trump as a human, being because he's not the kind of human being, who can; attract loyalty There are people who are better at manipulating him and people who are worse Tillerson was terrible at it Pompeo on all; the evidence seems. to be outstanding at manipulating

look. they - you know, sometimes people in the press talk about who is loyal to trump and who's not. nobody's actually loyal to trump as a human being because he's not the kind of human being who can attract loyalty. there are people who are better at manipulating him and people who are worse. tillerson was terrible at it. pompeo, on all the evidence, seems to be outstanding at manipulating him.

Eliot Cohen, former State Department counselor under George W. Bush - currently the director of the Strategic Studies Program at Johns Hopkins University. Thanks so much.

eliot cohen former state department counselor under george w bush - currently the director of the strategic studies program, at johns hopkins university thanks. so

Eliot Cohen former State Department counselor under, George W Bush - currently the director of the Strategic Studies, Program at Johns Hopkins University Thanks so

eliot cohen, former state department counselor under george w. bush - currently the director of the strategic studies program at johns hopkins university. thanks so much.

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All right. We are going to bring in NPR's Michele Kelemen now. She's been listening to that conversation. She covers the State Department. Hi, Michele.

all right we are going to bring in npr's michele kelemen now. she's, been listening to. that conversation she, covers the, state department hi.

All. right We. are going to bring in NPR's, Michele Kelemen now. She's been listening to that conversation She covers the State Department Hi

all right. we are going to bring in npr's michele kelemen now. she's been listening to that conversation. she covers the state department. hi, michele.

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Do you get the sense President Trump and his advisers are unhappy with Secretary Tillerson's performance? I guess that's an understatement.

do you get the sense president trump and. his advisers are unhappy with secretary tillerson's performance? i guess that's an

Do you get the, sense President Trump and his advisers are unhappy with Secretary Tillerson's. performance? I guess that's an

do you get the sense president trump and his advisers are unhappy with secretary tillerson's performance? i guess that's an understatement.

Yeah. I mean, they're certainly not doing anything to push back against this idea that he's going to be out soon and that Trump is unhappy with him. And, you know, Tillerson has been on the losing side of plenty of policy disputes, from the Paris climate change deal to Iran, even on North Korea, where Tillerson was supposedly the lead in keeping open diplomatic channels. The president once tweeted that Tillerson is wasting his time.

yeah i mean they're certainly not; doing anything to. push back against this idea that he's going to be out soon and that trump is unhappy with him and you know tillerson has been. on the losing side of. plenty of policy disputes from. the paris climate change deal to iran even; on north, korea where tillerson was supposedly the lead in keeping open diplomatic channels the president. once tweeted that tillerson is. wasting his

Yeah I mean they're certainly not doing anything to push back against this idea that, he's going to be out soon and that. Trump is, unhappy with him And you know Tillerson has been on the losing side of plenty. of, policy disputes. from the Paris climate change deal to Iran even. on North Korea where Tillerson was supposedly the lead in keeping open diplomatic channels The president once tweeted that Tillerson is wasting his

yeah. i mean, they're certainly not doing anything to push back against this idea that he's going to be out soon and that trump is unhappy with him. and, you know, tillerson has been on the losing side of plenty of policy disputes, from the paris climate change deal to iran, even on north korea, where tillerson was supposedly the lead in keeping open diplomatic channels. the president once tweeted that tillerson is wasting his time.

So we just heard Eliot Cohen there talk about the fact that Tillerson's been unable to fill these key positions at the State Department. Just based on your conversations with State Department employees, what's morale like there?

so we just heard eliot cohen there talk about the fact that tillerson's, been unable to fill these key positions at the state department just based on your conversations with state department employees what's morale like

So we just heard Eliot Cohen there talk about the fact that Tillerson's been unable to fill these key positions at. the State Department Just based on your. conversations with State Department employees, what's morale like

so we just heard eliot cohen there talk about the fact that tillerson's been unable to fill these key positions at the state department. just based on your conversations with state department employees, what's morale like there?

Well, morale is low. I mean, you know, even the State Department spokesperson has acknowledged that there's a morale problem. Officials blame it mostly on the secrecy surrounding Tillerson's reform plans. But it is more than that. It's about how he runs the building and also that he and the White House haven't been on the same page on some of these key appointments. That's been a problem that he's faced all along. We'll see if another secretary can change that. It's really unclear.

well morale is low i mean you know even the state department spokesperson has acknowledged that there's a morale problem officials blame it mostly, on the secrecy surrounding tillerson's. reform plans but it is more than that it's about how he runs the, building and also that he and the white house haven't been on the same page, on some of these key appointments that's been a problem that he's faced. all along we'll see, if another secretary. can change that it's really

Well morale is low I mean you know even the State Department spokesperson has, acknowledged that there's a morale problem Officials blame it mostly on the secrecy surrounding Tillerson's. reform plans But it is more than that It's about, how, he runs the building and. also that he and the White House haven't been on the same page on some of these key appointments That's, been a problem that he's faced all along We'll see if. another secretary can, change that It's really

well, morale is low. i mean, you know, even the state department spokesperson has acknowledged that there's a morale problem. officials blame it mostly on the secrecy surrounding tillerson's reform plans. but it is more than that. it's about how he runs the building and also that he and the white house haven't been on the same page on some of these key appointments. that's been a problem that he's faced all along. we'll see if another secretary can change that. it's really unclear.

NPR's Michele Kelemen. Thanks, Michele.

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This is DAY TO DAY from NPR News. I'm Ferai Chideya.

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Post-Christmas sales are jamming the malls today. Gift cards are burning holes in many a pocket and customer service counters are taking back the presents people just can't wait to return. Like the aroma of bad aftershave, the worst gifts linger in memory. We asked some Los Angeles-area residents to recall their memories of gifts that prompted a heart-felt, `Oh, you shouldn't have.'

post-christmas sales are jamming the malls today gift cards are, burning holes in many a pocket and, customer service. counters are taking back the presents people just can't; wait to return like the, aroma of bad aftershave the worst gifts linger in memory we asked some los angeles-area residents to. recall their memories of gifts that prompted a heart-felt `oh you, shouldn't.

Post-Christmas; sales are jamming the malls today Gift, cards are burning holes in many, a pocket and customer service counters are taking back the presents people just can't wait to return Like the aroma of bad aftershave the worst gifts linger, in memory We, asked some Los Angeles-area residents to recall. their memories of. gifts that prompted a heart-felt `Oh you shouldn't

post-christmas sales are jamming the malls today. gift cards are burning holes in many a pocket and customer service counters are taking back the presents people just can't wait to return. like the aroma of bad aftershave, the worst gifts linger in memory. we asked some los angeles-area residents to recall their memories of gifts that prompted a heart-felt, `oh, you shouldn't have.'

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Hello, my name is Christian Clancy. I actually got from someone very close to me who knows me very well, which even makes it more bizarre, one of them freakin' reindeers that lights up and its head moves. I'm all about Christmas and all that, but it could not be further away from something that I would get into. So that was interesting.

hello my name is christian clancy i actually got from someone very close to me who knows me; very well which even makes it more bizarre one of them freakin' reindeers that lights, up and its head moves, i'm, all about christmas and all that but it could, not be further away from something that i would get into so; that was

Hello my name is Christian. Clancy I actually got from someone very. close to me who knows, me very, well which even makes it more bizarre, one of them freakin' reindeers that lights up and its head moves I'm all about Christmas and all that but it could not, be further away from something that I would get into So that was

hello, my name is christian clancy. i actually got from someone very close to me who knows me very well, which even makes it more bizarre, one of them freakin' reindeers that lights up and its head moves. i'm all about christmas and all that, but it could not be further away from something that i would get into. so that was interesting.

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My name is Susan Yang, and the worst gift, in plural, I would have to say, are probably are those of--although I love chocolate and candy--those are probably the worst kinds of gifts because it's just temptation looking me in the face every day.

my name is, susan yang and the worst gift in plural i would have to. say are probably are those, of--although i love chocolate and candy--those are probably the worst kinds of gifts because, it's, just temptation looking me in the face every

My name is Susan Yang and the worst gift in plural I would have. to say are probably are those of--although I love chocolate and candy--those are probably, the worst kinds of gifts because it's. just. temptation looking me in the face, every

my name is susan yang, and the worst gift, in plural, i would have to say, are probably are those of--although i love chocolate and candy--those are probably the worst kinds of gifts because it's just temptation looking me in the face every day.

My name is Phillip Roufell, and the worst gift I ever received was like a grooming package. It's a box filled with like tweezers and deodorant, you know, things that suggest that you need a makeover. It made me ask myself a lot of questions.

my name is phillip roufell and the. worst gift i ever received was like a grooming, package it's a box filled with like tweezers and deodorant you know things. that suggest that you need a makeover, it made me ask myself a lot of

My name is Phillip; Roufell and the worst; gift I ever received was like a, grooming, package; It's a box filled with like tweezers and deodorant you know things that suggest that you need a. makeover It made, me ask myself a lot of

my name is phillip roufell, and the worst gift i ever received was like a grooming package. it's a box filled with like tweezers and deodorant, you know, things that suggest that you need a makeover. it made me ask myself a lot of questions.

My name is Katherine Orison and the worst holiday gift that I know of anybody receiving anytime was when my mother received a deep fat fryer from my father when she'd asked for an umbrella or a collar for her coat; something that she could wear and feel good and special about for Christmas. And instead, my father, who wanted to have French-fried potatoes on Christmas morning, gave her a deep fat fryer. It was the worst Christmas ever and my parents did not stay long together after that.

my, name is katherine orison, and the worst holiday gift that i know of anybody receiving anytime; was when my mother received a deep fat fryer from my father when she'd asked for an umbrella or a collar for her coat something that she could wear and feel good and special. about for christmas and instead my father who wanted to. have french-fried potatoes on christmas morning gave her a deep fat fryer it was the worst christmas ever and my parents did not. stay long, together after

My name is Katherine Orison and the worst holiday gift that I know of anybody. receiving anytime was when my mother received a deep fat fryer from my father when, she'd asked for an umbrella or a collar for her coat something that she could wear and feel good and; special about for Christmas And instead my father who wanted, to have French-fried potatoes on Christmas morning gave her a. deep fat fryer It was the worst Christmas ever and my parents did not stay long together after

my name is katherine orison and the worst holiday gift that i know of anybody receiving anytime was when my mother received a deep fat fryer from my father when she'd asked for an umbrella or a collar for her coat; something that she could wear and feel good and special about for christmas. and instead, my father, who wanted to have french-fried potatoes on christmas morning, gave her a deep fat fryer. it was the worst christmas ever and my parents did not stay long together after that.

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This is a really weird kind of argument to have because, you know, hip-hop is not just solely a black artform anymore. It hasn't been for a really long time. It spread, you know, all over the world. But when you look at her and you look at T.I., he's the one who signed her to his label, it almost seems like she was more of a novelty act. I hate to say this, but, like, within hip-hop, particularly with women, part of the appeal, like, the thing that will help you to stand out - and we've seen this with Nicki Minaj, we saw this with Trina - was, like, have a big booty. And so, like, Iggy Azalea is this white girl with a big booty. And it just sort of looks like a very cynical cash grab on T.I.'s part.

this is a really weird kind of argument to have because you know hip-hop is not just solely a black artform anymore it hasn't been for a. really long time it spread you know all over the world but when you look at her and you look at, t.i., he's the one who signed, her to his label it almost seems like she was more, of a novelty act i hate to say this but like within hip-hop particularly with women part of the appeal like the thing that will help you to stand out - and we've seen this with nicki minaj we saw this with trina - was; like. have a big booty and so like iggy azalea is this white girl with a big booty and, it just sort of looks like a very cynical cash grab on. t.i's

This is a really weird. kind of argument to have because you know, hip-hop is not just solely a black artform; anymore It. hasn't been for a really long time It spread you know all over the world But when you look at. her and you. look at T.I., he's; the one who signed her to his label it almost seems, like, she was more of a novelty act I hate to say this. but like within hip-hop particularly with women part of the appeal like the thing, that will help you to stand out - and we've seen, this with Nicki Minaj we saw this with Trina - was like have a big. booty And so like Iggy Azalea is this, white girl, with. a big, booty; And it just sort of looks, like a very cynical cash grab on T.I's

this is a really weird kind of argument to have because, you know, hip-hop is not just solely a black artform anymore. it hasn't been for a really long time. it spread, you know, all over the world. but when you look at her and you look at t.i., he's the one who signed her to his label, it almost seems like she was more of a novelty act. i hate to say this, but, like, within hip-hop, particularly with women, part of the appeal, like, the thing that will help you to stand out - and we've seen this with nicki minaj, we saw this with trina - was, like, have a big booty. and so, like, iggy azalea is this white girl with a big booty. and it just sort of looks like a very cynical cash grab on t.i.'s part.

That she was somehow more marketable because she's good-looking, but she's also this young white woman.

that. she was somehow more marketable because she's good-looking but she's also this young. white

That she was somehow more marketable because she's good-looking but she's also this young white

that she was somehow more marketable because she's good-looking, but she's also this young white woman.

Right, exactly.

right

Right

right, exactly.

She also got herself into hot water with how she was behaving online on social media. Can you tell us how that fueled the fire?

she also got, herself into hot water with how she was behaving online on. social media can you tell us how that; fueled the

She also got. herself into hot water with how she was. behaving online on, social media Can you tell us how that fueled the

she also got herself into hot water with how she was behaving online on social media. can you tell us how that fueled the fire?

She did. You know, she's tweeting things that are racially insensitive that some people have classified as homophobic. And they're not necessarily just racially insensitive toward black people, but towards Asian people, toward Native American people. You know, there's a whole range. And that's not really doing her any favors either.

she did you know she's tweeting things that are racially insensitive that, some people, have. classified as homophobic and they're not necessarily just, racially insensitive toward black, people but towards asian people, toward native american people you know, there's a whole range and that's not really doing her any favors

She, did You know she's tweeting. things that are racially insensitive that some people have classified as homophobic And they're not necessarily just racially. insensitive toward black people but towards Asian people toward Native American people You know there's a whole range And that's not. really doing, her, any favors

she did. you know, she's tweeting things that are racially insensitive that some people have classified as homophobic. and they're not necessarily just racially insensitive toward black people, but towards asian people, toward native american people. you know, there's a whole range. and that's not really doing her any favors either.

What does this mean for her? Is she done? Can she recover? Can she reinvent herself?

what does, this, mean for her? is she done? can she recover? can she, reinvent

What does this mean for her? Is she done? Can she recover? Can she reinvent.

what does this mean for her? is she done? can she recover? can she reinvent herself?

Well, here's the thing. I mean, there's nothing people like more in pop culture, aside from tearing people down, than a good comeback act. Even though it seems highly improbable, I wouldn't count her out completely. I think the people who are responsible for managing her are certainly already thinking about that. There's evidence that they're thinking about that because, you know, just a few days after the news breaks that this huge arena tour that's been planned for her has been canceled, we find out that she's marrying Nick Young. He's an NBA player. That's sort of like the first step in, like, celebrity 101 as far as, you know, rehabbing your image - you know, have a wedding, get a nice spread in one of the weeklies, you know, a beautiful wedding dress, you know, just to drum up some goodwill for yourself. So, you know, we'll see what happens.

well here's; the. thing i mean there's nothing people like. more in pop culture aside from, tearing people down than a, good comeback act even though, it seems. highly improbable i wouldn't count her out completely i think the people who are responsible, for managing her are certainly already thinking about that there's evidence that they're thinking about that because you know just a few days. after the news breaks that this huge arena tour that's, been planned for her has, been canceled we find out that, she's marrying, nick young he's an nba player that's sort of like the first step in like celebrity 101 as. far as you know rehabbing your image - you know have a wedding get a nice, spread in one of the weeklies you know a beautiful wedding dress you know just to drum up some goodwill for yourself, so you know we'll see what

Well here's the thing I mean there's. nothing, people like more in. pop, culture, aside from tearing people down than a good comeback act Even. though it seems; highly improbable I wouldn't count her out completely I think the people who are responsible for managing her are certainly already thinking about that There's evidence that they're, thinking about. that because you know just a few days after. the news breaks that this huge arena tour that's been. planned for her has been canceled we, find out that she's marrying Nick Young He's an NBA player That's, sort of like the first step in like, celebrity 101 as far as you know rehabbing your image - you know. have a wedding get a nice spread in one of. the weeklies you. know a beautiful wedding dress you know. just to drum up some goodwill for yourself So you know we'll see what

well, here's the thing. i mean, there's nothing people like more in pop culture, aside from tearing people down, than a good comeback act. even though it seems highly improbable, i wouldn't count her out completely. i think the people who are responsible for managing her are certainly already thinking about that. there's evidence that they're thinking about that because, you know, just a few days after the news breaks that this huge arena tour that's been planned for her has been canceled, we find out that she's marrying nick young. he's an nba player. that's sort of like the first step in, like, celebrity 101 as far as, you know, rehabbing your image - you know, have a wedding, get a nice spread in one of the weeklies, you know, a beautiful wedding dress, you know, just to drum up some goodwill for yourself. so, you know, we'll see what happens.

Cynical, Soraya, cynical.

cynical soraya

Cynical Soraya

cynical, soraya, cynical.

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Soraya Nadia McDonald of The Washington Post. She covers pop culture. Thanks for coming in, Soraya.

soraya nadia mcdonald of the washington post she covers pop. culture thanks for coming in

Soraya Nadia McDonald, of The Washington Post She covers pop culture Thanks for coming. in

soraya nadia mcdonald of the washington post. she covers pop culture. thanks for coming in, soraya.

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(Singing) I'm in the fast lane from LA to Tokyo. I'm so fancy. Can't you taste this gold? Remember my name, 'bout to blow.

(singing) i'm in the fast lane from la to tokyo i'm. so fancy can't you taste this gold? remember my name 'bout to

(Singing) I'm, in the fast lane from LA to Tokyo I'm, so fancy Can't, you taste this gold? Remember my name 'bout to

(singing) i'm in the fast lane from la to tokyo. i'm so fancy. can't you taste this gold? remember my name, 'bout to blow.

Hundreds of migrants out on the Mediterranean were told by two European countries that they were not wanted. The migrants, mostly from North Africa, were rescued by a nonprofit group. But both Italy and Malta refused to allow them to dock. Now they're on their way to Spain. Dr. David Beversluis from Doctors Without Borders is on the Aquarius, one of the ships carrying the migrants. I asked how they're doing.

hundreds of migrants. out on the mediterranean were told by two european countries that they. were not wanted the, migrants mostly from north africa were rescued. by a. nonprofit group but. both italy and malta refused to allow them, to dock, now they're on their way to spain dr david beversluis from doctors without borders is on the aquarius one of the ships carrying the migrants. i asked how they're

Hundreds of migrants out on the Mediterranean, were told by two European countries that they were not wanted, The migrants mostly from North Africa were rescued by a nonprofit group But both Italy and Malta refused to allow them to dock Now they're, on their way to. Spain Dr David Beversluis from Doctors Without Borders is. on the Aquarius one, of, the ships carrying the, migrants. I asked how they're

hundreds of migrants out on the mediterranean were told by two european countries that they were not wanted. the migrants, mostly from north africa, were rescued by a nonprofit group. but both italy and malta refused to allow them to dock. now they're on their way to spain. dr. david beversluis from doctors without borders is on the aquarius, one of the ships carrying the migrants. i asked how they're doing.

Many of these migrants came out of fairly difficult conditions. (Inaudible) On rubber rafts for hours. Some of them were transferred, initially, from Italian coast guard ships to our ship and then some of them back. Now, of course, we have 106 migrants remaining on our ship - asylum-seekers remaining on our ship. And, you know, they're stressed out. They're tired. It's been a very long last several days. And it's continuing for the next several days, at least until we arrive in Spain.

many of these migrants. came out of fairly difficult. conditions (inaudible) on, rubber rafts for hours some of them were transferred initially from italian coast guard ships to our ship and then some of them back now of course we have 106 migrants remaining on our ship - asylum-seekers remaining on our ship and you know they're stressed out they're tired. it's been a very. long last several days and it's continuing for the next several days at least. until we arrive; in

Many of these migrants came. out of fairly difficult conditions (Inaudible) On rubber rafts for hours Some of, them were transferred initially from. Italian coast guard ships to our ship and then some of them back Now of course, we have 106 migrants remaining on our ship - asylum-seekers remaining on our ship And you know they're stressed out They're tired It's been, a very long last several days And it's continuing for the next several days at least until we arrive in

many of these migrants came out of fairly difficult conditions. (inaudible) on rubber rafts for hours. some of them were transferred, initially, from italian coast guard ships to our ship and then some of them back. now, of course, we have 106 migrants remaining on our ship - asylum-seekers remaining on our ship. and, you know, they're stressed out. they're tired. it's been a very long last several days. and it's continuing for the next several days, at least until we arrive in spain.

How is their health holding up? I mean, are you dealing with people that really need medical attention?

how is their, health holding up? i mean are you dealing with, people that really need medical,

How is their health holding up? I mean are you dealing with people that really need medical

how is their health holding up? i mean, are you dealing with people that really need medical attention?

Well, you know, we're fortunate to have a fairly good medical team here on the ship. We're a medical NGO, and we have good capability. Right now, there's nobody who's critical. But, you know, as the doctor here on the ship, I'm definitely concerned about ongoing attention to people's health. We have quite a few people with chemical burns. And so we're doing a lot of wound care. We're also focusing on keeping people rested, hydrated. You know, there is a high risk of sun exposure out here, so we have everybody under shade netting. You know, so this is things that we have to be really careful about on a boat like this. You know, the waves are also starting to pick up a little bit. And so I expect today, we'll start having a little bit more issues with seasickness as well.

well, you know we're fortunate. to have a fairly good, medical team. here on the ship we're. a medical ngo and we have. good capability right now there's nobody who's critical but, you know as the doctor here on the, ship i'm. definitely concerned about ongoing, attention to people's health we have quite a few people with chemical burns and so we're doing a lot of wound care we're also focusing on keeping people rested hydrated you know there is a high risk of sun exposure out here so we, have. everybody under shade netting you know so this is things that we. have to be really careful about on, a boat like this you know the, waves are also starting to pick up a little bit and so i expect today we'll start having a little bit more issues with. seasickness as

Well you know we're fortunate to have a fairly good, medical team here on the ship We're a medical NGO and we have good capability Right, now there's nobody who's critical But you know as the doctor here on the ship I'm definitely concerned about ongoing attention to people's health. We have quite a few people with chemical burns And. so we're doing a lot of wound care We're also focusing on keeping people rested, hydrated You, know there is a high risk of sun exposure out here so we have everybody under shade netting You know so this is things that we have to be really careful about on a boat. like this; You know the, waves are also starting to pick up a little bit And so I expect today we'll start having a little bit more issues with seasickness as

well, you know, we're fortunate to have a fairly good medical team here on the ship. we're a medical ngo, and we have good capability. right now, there's nobody who's critical. but, you know, as the doctor here on the ship, i'm definitely concerned about ongoing attention to people's health. we have quite a few people with chemical burns. and so we're doing a lot of wound care. we're also focusing on keeping people rested, hydrated. you know, there is a high risk of sun exposure out here, so we have everybody under shade netting. you know, so this is things that we have to be really careful about on a boat like this. you know, the waves are also starting to pick up a little bit. and so i expect today, we'll start having a little bit more issues with seasickness as well.

Did you say chemical burns?

did you say chemical

Did you say chemical

did you say chemical burns?

Yeah, absolutely. So a lot of these people come in fairly unstable rafts. And what happens is there's a mix of gasoline and water that collects in the bottom of the raft. And people will sit in there - packed in in this toxic mix for many hours. You end up with these second-degree burns, where the skin is broken down and exposed. It's really pretty horrible and painful.

yeah absolutely so a lot, of these people come in fairly unstable rafts and what happens is there's a mix of gasoline and water that collects in the bottom of the raft and. people will sit. in there - packed in in this toxic mix for, many hours you end up with these second-degree burns where the skin is broken down and exposed it's really pretty horrible and

Yeah absolutely So a lot; of. these. people come; in fairly unstable, rafts And what happens is there's, a mix. of gasoline, and water that collects in the bottom of the raft And people will sit in there - packed in in this toxic. mix for many hours You end up with these. second-degree burns where the skin is broken down and exposed It's really pretty, horrible and

yeah, absolutely. so a lot of these people come in fairly unstable rafts. and what happens is there's a mix of gasoline and water that collects in the bottom of the raft. and people will sit in there - packed in in this toxic mix for many hours. you end up with these second-degree burns, where the skin is broken down and exposed. it's really pretty horrible and painful.

Can I just ask you - I mean, the Italian government, I know they've been sending help. But Italy turned your boat away and said you could not come. There's a new government there that campaigned on the idea that Italy has carried too much of the responsibility of taking in migrants, that other countries should share some of that. Do you understand their position?

can i just ask you - i mean the italian government, i know they've been sending help but italy turned your boat, away and said you could not come there's a new government there that campaigned on the idea that italy has carried too much of, the responsibility of taking in migrants that other countries should share some of that do; you understand. their

Can I just ask you - I mean the Italian government I know they've been, sending help But Italy turned, your boat away and said, you. could not come. There's a new government there that campaigned on, the idea that Italy has carried too much of the responsibility of taking in migrants that other. countries should share, some of that Do you understand their

can i just ask you - i mean, the italian government, i know they've been sending help. but italy turned your boat away and said you could not come. there's a new government there that campaigned on the idea that italy has carried too much of the responsibility of taking in migrants, that other countries should share some of that. do you understand their position?

Well, you know, I mean, for us, it's extremely frustrating. To me - of course, Europe needs to have a system that accepts asylum-seekers. And the system is broken. But at the same time, there is not an adequate search and rescue response focused on saving lives in the southern part of the Mediterranean. And, you know, we had 629 vulnerable people on board. Now all of these people are moving days away from the nearest port of safety. And it's really, you know, an unnecessary and frustrating extra political step. You know, we're shuffling people around, and we're doing this in order to score political points when, really, the most important thing is the safety, the dignity and the wellbeing of the people.

well you know i mean for us it's extremely frustrating to. me - of course europe needs to. have a system that accepts asylum-seekers and the system is broken but at the same time there is not an adequate search and rescue response focused on saving lives in the southern part of the mediterranean and you know we had 629 vulnerable people on board now all of these people are moving days away from the nearest port of safety and it's really you know an. unnecessary and frustrating extra political step you know we're. shuffling people around and we're doing this in order to score political points when really the most important thing is the safety the. dignity and the wellbeing of the,

Well you know I, mean for us it's extremely frustrating To me - of course Europe needs to have a system that accepts asylum-seekers And the system is broken But. at the same time there is. not an. adequate, search. and rescue response focused on saving, lives in the southern part of the. Mediterranean And you know we had 629 vulnerable people, on board Now all of these people are moving; days away from the nearest port of. safety And it's really you know. an unnecessary and frustrating extra political step You, know we're shuffling people around and we're doing this in order to score political; points when, really the most important thing is the safety the dignity and the, wellbeing of the

well, you know, i mean, for us, it's extremely frustrating. to me - of course, europe needs to have a system that accepts asylum-seekers. and the system is broken. but at the same time, there is not an adequate search and rescue response focused on saving lives in the southern part of the mediterranean. and, you know, we had 629 vulnerable people on board. now all of these people are moving days away from the nearest port of safety. and it's really, you know, an unnecessary and frustrating extra political step. you know, we're shuffling people around, and we're doing this in order to score political points when, really, the most important thing is the safety, the dignity and the wellbeing of the people.

Dr. Beversluis, thank you very much for your time and safe journeys as you head on to Spain.

dr beversluis thank you very much for your time and safe journeys as, you head on. to

Dr Beversluis thank you very much for, your time. and safe journeys as you head on to

dr. beversluis, thank you very much for your time and safe journeys as you head on to spain.

Yeah, thank you very much.

yeah thank you very

Yeah thank you very

yeah, thank you very much.

Dr. David Beversluis from Doctors Without Borders.

dr david beversluis from doctors without

Dr David Beversluis from Doctors Without,

dr. david beversluis from doctors without borders.

Last week's oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico took the lives of 11 workers and spawned one of the largest oil spills in U.S. waters. As much as 200,000 gallons a day may be gushing through a ruptured wellhead. And today, we learned it could take as long as 90 days to fix it.

last week's oil rig explosion in the gulf of mexico took the. lives of 11 workers. and spawned one of the largest oil spills in u.s waters as, much as 200,000 gallons a. day may be gushing through, a ruptured wellhead and today we learned it could take as long, as 90 days to fix

Last week's oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico took the, lives of 11 workers and. spawned one of the largest oil spills in U.S waters As much as 200,000 gallons a. day may be gushing through a ruptured. wellhead And today we learned it could take as long. as 90 days to fix

last week's oil rig explosion in the gulf of mexico took the lives of 11 workers and spawned one of the largest oil spills in u.s. waters. as much as 200,000 gallons a day may be gushing through a ruptured wellhead. and today, we learned it could take as long as 90 days to fix it.

Yeah. And I - I don't know if those profits are going to be enough to kind of eat up the cost of this kind of spill.

yeah and i - i don't, know if those, profits are going to. be enough to kind of eat up the cost, of this kind of

Yeah And I - I don't know if those profits are going to be enough to kind of eat up the cost of this kind of

yeah. and i - i don't know if those profits are going to be enough to kind of eat up the cost of this kind of spill.

Hi, this is Kevin McDermott. I'm from Los Angeles, California. You know, my grandmother was a Lutheran from Minnesota and a great woman, but the worst Christmas present gift I ever got--the strangest one--was she gave me two stuffed anatomically correct dolls, male and female. This was when she was about 75, and I was never quite sure what I was supposed to do with those dolls.

hi this is kevin, mcdermott, i'm from los angeles california you know my grandmother was a lutheran from. minnesota and a great woman but the; worst christmas present. gift i ever got--the strangest one--was she gave me two stuffed anatomically correct dolls male and female this was when she, was about 75, and i was never quite sure what i was. supposed, to do with those

Hi this is Kevin McDermott I'm from Los Angeles California You know my grandmother was a, Lutheran from Minnesota and. a great woman but the worst Christmas present gift I. ever got--the strangest; one--was she gave me two stuffed anatomically correct dolls male and female This, was when she was about 75, and I was never quite sure what I was supposed to do with those

hi, this is kevin mcdermott. i'm from los angeles, california. you know, my grandmother was a lutheran from minnesota and a great woman, but the worst christmas present gift i ever got--the strangest one--was she gave me two stuffed anatomically correct dolls, male and female. this was when she was about 75, and i was never quite sure what i was supposed to do with those dolls.

How old were you at the time?

how old were you at the

How old were. you at. the

how old were you at the time?

Thirty-two. I suppose I was supposed to play with them. I don't know. Put them on the bed, you know.

thirty-two i suppose i was supposed to play with them i don't know put them on the bed you.

Thirty-two I suppose I was supposed to play with them I don't know Put them on the bed you

thirty-two. i suppose i was supposed to play with them. i don't know. put them on the bed, you know.

My name is Maria Ray and my ex-sister-in-law gave me a mug, which was given to her, which was a recycled gift from somebody to her. She forgot to take the tag out, and then she gave it to me.

my name is maria ray and, my ex-sister-in-law gave me a mug, which was given to her which was a recycled gift from somebody to her she forgot to take the tag out and then she gave it to

My name is Maria Ray and my ex-sister-in-law gave me a mug which was. given to her which was a recycled, gift from somebody to her She forgot to take the tag out and then she gave it to

my name is maria ray and my ex-sister-in-law gave me a mug, which was given to her, which was a recycled gift from somebody to her. she forgot to take the tag out, and then she gave it to me.

My name is Marvin and the worst gift that I ever received was a bottle of Brut 33. And I still have that, and I'm in my thirties. I thought that I would receive more or something better, and end up with a Brut 33 that I used since the sixth-grade. I laugh about it every now and then, but I guess it's the thought that counts.

my name, is marvin and the. worst gift that i ever received was a bottle. of, brut 33. and. i still have that and i'm in, my thirties i thought, that i would. receive more or something better and. end up with a brut 33 that i used. since the sixth-grade i laugh about it every now and then but i guess it's the thought that

My. name is Marvin and the worst gift that I ever received was a bottle of Brut 33. And I still have that and I'm in my thirties I thought that I would receive, more. or something better and end up with a Brut 33 that I used since the sixth-grade I laugh about it every now and. then but I guess. it's the thought that,

my name is marvin and the worst gift that i ever received was a bottle of brut 33. and i still have that, and i'm in my thirties. i thought that i would receive more or something better, and end up with a brut 33 that i used since the sixth-grade. i laugh about it every now and then, but i guess it's the thought that counts.

Holiday shoppers here in Los Angeles talking with producer, Skye Rohde.

holiday shoppers here in, los, angeles talking with producer skye

Holiday shoppers here, in Los Angeles talking with producer Skye

holiday shoppers here in los angeles talking with producer, skye rohde.

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And joining us is puzzlemaster Will Shortz. Hey, Will.

and. joining us. is puzzlemaster will, shortz hey

And joining us is puzzlemaster Will Shortz Hey

and joining us is puzzlemaster will shortz. hey, will.

Hi, Liane.

hi

Hi

hi, liane.

Well, I've seen the new KenKen puzzles in The New York Times, but I have to admit, they're a little intimidating, so, I haven't tried one yet. I'm sticking with the crossword. I know, I know, I know, I have to get into it, but it's nice to see them there.

well i've seen the new kenken puzzles in the new york. times but i have to admit, they're. a little intimidating so i haven't tried one yet i'm; sticking with the crossword i know i know i know i have to get into it but it's nice to see them

Well I've seen the new KenKen puzzles in; The. New York Times but I have to admit. they're a little intimidating so I haven't tried one yet, I'm sticking with the crossword I know I, know I. know I have to get into it but it's nice to, see them

well, i've seen the new kenken puzzles in the new york times, but i have to admit, they're a little intimidating, so, i haven't tried one yet. i'm sticking with the crossword. i know, i know, i know, i have to get into it, but it's nice to see them there.

Yeah, I think they bring in a different kind of solver from crosswords. With crosswords you have to know things and with KenKen it's just a pure logic number challenge.

yeah i. think they bring in, a different kind of solver from crosswords with crosswords you have to know things and with kenken it's just a pure logic number

Yeah I think they bring, in a different kind of solver from crosswords With crosswords you, have to know things, and with KenKen it's just a pure logic number

yeah, i think they bring in a different kind of solver from crosswords. with crosswords you have to know things and with kenken it's just a pure logic number challenge.

All right, well, I promise to try one in the coming week, okay?

all right well i promise to try one in the coming week

All right well I promise to try one in the coming. week

all right, well, i promise to try one in the coming week, okay?

Okay. Yeah.

okay

Okay

okay. yeah.

All right. Well, you left us with an interesting challenge last week. What was it?

all right well you left us with an, interesting challenge last week what was

All right. Well you left us with, an interesting challenge last week What was

all right. well, you left us with an interesting challenge last week. what was it?

Yes, it came from listener Charlie Pine(ph) of Norfolk, Massachusetts. I said, take the name of a country, interchange two consecutive letters, add an E after the fifth letter, the result will be two synonyms one after the other. What are they?

yes it came from listener charlie pine(ph) of norfolk massachusetts i said take. the name of a country interchange two; consecutive letters, add an e after the, fifth letter the. result will be two synonyms one after the other what are

Yes it. came from; listener Charlie, Pine(ph) of Norfolk, Massachusetts I said take the name of a country interchange two consecutive letters add an E after the fifth letter the result will be two synonyms one after the. other What are

yes, it came from listener charlie pine(ph) of norfolk, massachusetts. i said, take the name of a country, interchange two consecutive letters, add an e after the fifth letter, the result will be two synonyms one after the other. what are they?

What are they?

what are

What are

what are they?

Well, the country is Finland. Interchange the A and the L and add an E, you get, final, and end.

well; the country, is, finland, interchange the a, and the l and add an e you get final and

Well the country is Finland Interchange the A and the L and add an, E you get final and

well, the country is finland. interchange the a and the l and add an e, you get, final, and end.

You know, this one was a tough one for everyone listening. We received fewer than 800 correct entries this time. And from those entries we randomly selected Fran Kaplan(ph) of Brooklyn, New York to play the puzzle on the air with us today. Hey, Fran.

you know this one was a tough one for everyone listening we received fewer, than 800 correct entries this time and from those; entries we randomly; selected fran kaplan(ph) of brooklyn new, york to play the puzzle on the air with us today hey

You know this one was a, tough one for everyone listening We received fewer than 800 correct entries this time And from those entries we; randomly selected Fran Kaplan(ph) of Brooklyn New York to play the puzzle on; the air with, us today Hey

you know, this one was a tough one for everyone listening. we received fewer than 800 correct entries this time. and from those entries we randomly selected fran kaplan(ph) of brooklyn, new york to play the puzzle on the air with us today. hey, fran.

Hi, Liane.

hi

Hi

hi, liane.

So, how long did it take you to solve the puzzle?

so how long did it take, you to solve the.

So how long did it take you to solve the

so, how long did it take you to solve the puzzle?

I think I had it by the end of the day on Sunday.

i think i. had it by, the end of the day on

I think, I had it by the end of the day on

i think i had it by the end of the day on sunday.

Excellent. How long have you been playing?

excellent how long have. you been

Excellent How long have you been

excellent. how long have you been playing?

At least two years.

at least two

At least two

at least two years.

Wow. Are you a puzzle person normally?

wow are you a puzzle person

Wow Are you a puzzle person.

wow. are you a puzzle person normally?

Yes, I am.

yes i

Yes. I

yes, i am.

What do you like?

what do you

What do you.

what do you like?

I play crossword puzzles. I enjoy Sudoku, Scrabble, anything with words.

i, play crossword, puzzles i enjoy sudoku scrabble, anything with

I play crossword puzzles I enjoy Sudoku Scrabble anything, with

i play crossword puzzles. i enjoy sudoku, scrabble, anything with words.

Ah, well, let's hope there's a word puzzle for us today. I have no idea from week to week what Will has for us. But you sound like you're ready to have some fun.

ah well let's hope there's a word puzzle. for us. today i have no idea. from week to. week what will has. for, us but you sound like you're ready to have some

Ah well let's hope there's a word puzzle for us today I have no idea from week to week what Will. has for us But you sound like you're ready. to have some

ah, well, let's hope there's a word puzzle for us today. i have no idea from week to week what will has for us. but you sound like you're ready to have some fun.

Absolutely.

absolutely.

Okay, Will. Well, meet Fran. Let's play.

okay will well meet fran let's

Okay Will Well, meet Fran Let's

okay, will. well, meet fran. let's play.

All right, Fran. It is with words. Every answer today is the name of an animal you might see in the zoo. Name the animals from their anagrams. For example, if I said, oil, O-I-L plus N. You would say lion.

all, right fran it is with words. every answer today is the name of an animal. you, might see in the zoo name the animals from their anagrams for example if i said oil o-i-l plus, n you would say

All right. Fran It is with words Every answer today is the name of an animal you might see in the; zoo Name the animals, from their anagrams For example, if I said oil O-I-L plus N You would say

all right, fran. it is with words. every answer today is the name of an animal you might see in the zoo. name the animals from their anagrams. for example, if i said, oil, o-i-l plus n. you would say lion.

Got it.

got

Got

got it.

Here's number one, reb, R-E-B plus A.

here's, number one reb r-e-b plus,

Here's number one reb R-E-B plus.

here's number one, reb, r-e-b plus a.

Bear.

bear.

Bear is right. Number two is Ezra, E-Z-R-A plus B.

bear. is right number two. is ezra e-z-r-a plus

Bear is right Number two is Ezra E-Z-R-A plus

bear is right. number two is ezra, e-z-r-a plus b.

Zebra.

zebra.

Uh-huh. Napa, N-A-P-A plus D.

uh-huh napa n-a-p-a plus

Uh-huh Napa. N-A-P-A plus.

uh-huh. napa, n-a-p-a plus d.

Panda?

panda?

That's it. Rite, R-I-T-E plus G.

that's it rite r-i-t-e plus

That's it Rite R-I-T-E, plus

that's it. rite, r-i-t-e plus g.

Tiger.

tiger.

Good. Next nabob, N-A-B-O-B plus O.

good next. nabob n-a-b-o-b; plus

Good Next nabob N-A-B-O-B plus

good. next nabob, n-a-b-o-b plus o.

Baboon.

baboon.

Good. Rawls, R-A-W-L-S plus U.

good rawls, r-a-w-l-s plus

Good Rawls, R-A-W-L-S plus

good. rawls, r-a-w-l-s plus u.

Walrus.

walrus.

Good. Allege, A-L-L-E-G-E plus Z.

good. allege a-l-l-e-g-e plus

Good Allege A-L-L-E-G-E plus

good. allege, a-l-l-e-g-e plus z.

Gazelle.

gazelle.

That's it. Gaffer, G-A-F-F-E-R plus I.

that's it gaffer g-a-f-f-e-r plus

That's it Gaffer G-A-F-F-E-R plus

that's it. gaffer, g-a-f-f-e-r plus i.

Giraffe.

giraffe.

Uh-huh. Enrapt, E-N-R-A-P-T plus H.

uh-huh enrapt e-n-r-a-p-t plus

Uh-huh Enrapt E-N-R-A-P-T plus

uh-huh. enrapt, e-n-r-a-p-t plus h.

Uh, panther.

uh

Uh,

uh, panther.