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uhm , be there a way to specifi an http proxi ? __eou__ __eot__ comput menu - > desktop prefer __eou__ __eot__ i mean dure base-config __eou__ ping __eou__ __eot__ pong __eou__ __eot__
yes , it show that it have detect everyth __eou__
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give how much i move stuff around ; i 'd probabl use arch __eou__ __eot__ arch ca n't check out subtre , though , so you would have to use config or someth __eou__ __eot__ i like the idea of tla build-config configs/tilde-dsilv __eou__ __eot__
lower case have work for 10+ year , they chang it ? __eou__ howev lang c= would never work ... which be what he say he type __eou__ heh ... be n't instal ... wonder what he think he be click on ? __eou__
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so be warty-i386.iso live or just a d-i disc ? __eou__ __eot__ : ? __eou__ __eot__ the wiki mention a livecd somwher . wonder if this be it or not . __eou__ __eot__
: livecd be base on morphix __eou__ : at least the last one i test __eou__ : if you have a coupl of spare gig you can instal from the hd instal cd __eou__ : ohhh __eou__
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not instal grub seem to confus grub postinst and subsequ ubuntu-artwork __eou__ __eot__ pleas file bug __eou__ __eot__ you have n't releas yet , no ? __eou__ __eot__ preview releas , then . __eou__ __eot__
ipx , thank __eou__
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heh __eou__ that me __eou__ there 73 peopl fight over 55mbps __eou__ __eot__ and you bounc my connect onc , mayb dure the thread increas restart ? : ) __eou__ __eot__
yeah , sorri __eou__
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doe anyon here use ubuntu on ppc ? __eou__ be there a ppc live cd ? __eou__ oh crap ... i get ta get home or my wife will kill me __eou__ i ll talk to you guy tomorrow ! __eou__ i notic that ubuntu alreadi have gnome 2.8 in too : d __eou__ be there a ppc live cd ? __eou__ __eot__ afraid not __eou__ __eot__ suck __eou__ __eot__ ( but it 's one of the thing i want to look at , as a powerpc porter ) __eou__ __eot__ i 'm scare to instal ubuntu w/o check it out first ... __eou__ __eot__ depend what you mean ; warti start out as a snapshot of sid , have be work on by various sync new version from sid or by make ubuntu-specif chang __eou__ yes , but not on /boot __eou__ oh , hey , you re on ppc - should be fine then __eou__ __eot__ cool ... my /boot be ext2 __eou__ __eot__ you can either tell the instal to format them , or you can say `` use exist data on this partit '' ( or whatev it say ) __eou__ __eot__ awesom __eou__ __eot__ definit use the manual partit option , of cours __eou__ __eot__ of cours : ) __eou__ __eot__
oh , you do , it 's just that your yaboot.conf be like that alreadi ... __eou__
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: ) __eou__ so oskuro be that bad ? __eou__ __eot__ well , if you play fanhunt , oskuro rock for the villain __eou__ lol __eou__ __eot__ wtf be fanhunt ? __eou__ __eot__ rpg __eou__ __eot__ and there 's a charact call oskuro ? __eou__ __eot__ no , there be charact call xtremo , rid , constantin ... __eou__ where r u from ? __eou__ __eot__ valncia __eou__ __eot__
mitario be around __eou__
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doe anyon here use ubuntu on ppc ? __eou__ be there a ppc live cd ? __eou__ oh crap ... i get ta get home or my wife will kill me __eou__ i ll talk to you guy tomorrow ! __eou__ i notic that ubuntu alreadi have gnome 2.8 in too : d __eou__ __eot__ with gnome-media 2.8.0 and epiphani 1.4.0 : p __eou__ __eot__ : p __eou__ __eot__ what version of gtk2-engines- * do you have ? __eou__ __eot__ 2.8.0-ubuntu2 __eou__ sorri ... -0ubuntu2 __eou__ just so you know , i do n't think you re lame : ) __eou__ __eot__
i think it 's a binari __eou__
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heh __eou__ plenti of time for that __eou__ i 'm a littl confus about someth . ubuntu be base on debian , but it support amd64 . how doe that work ? __eou__ __eot__ we re base on debian 's * sourc * packag ; we rebuild all of them for all our architectur __eou__ everyth that just work on amd64 we do n't worri about , but we have to fix up a number of thing __eou__ __eot__ so you do your own port ? __eou__ __eot__ pleas send us lspci and lspci -n info for that , it 's usual trivial to make work __eou__ if this be a sata_nv chipset , i just upload support for that today __eou__ __eot__ nope , it 's an i915 __eou__ __eot__ we freeze warti befor d-i rc1 __eou__ __eot__ i hope your and debian 's d-i can be parallel branch __eou__ __eot__ i 'm a debian-instal develop as well as an ubuntu develop ; i have a veri strong person interest in keep the two as close sync as i can , to reduc my own confus level if noth els . __eou__ __eot__
sure do : p __eou__
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: night __eou__ __eot__ you do n't need to __eou__ it 's basic the canon administr list .. it use to be the onli list but everyth have be move to other list now __eou__ total , later __eou__ rosh hashannah ? __eou__ __eot__ : yes ! how do you know ? : ) __eou__ __eot__ i 'm not jewish but go to the jewish communiti center near my home everi day after school for mayb 10 year : ) i know some hebrew , song , etc : ) seem about the right time __eou__ __eot__ : 10 year ? you re practic more jew than me : ) __eou__ : will sounder @ be notifi of all relev new mail list we can sign on ? __eou__ __eot__ yeah , jdu can fill peopl ein __eou__ __eot__ : sound and ubuntu-devel be the same ? __eou__ __eot__ yeah , jdub can send a messag to sounder tell them about the new setup __eou__ i think so , jdub can tell what he do __eou__ __eot__ : ok graet ! __eou__ : have it be so loud here sinc i leave ? : ) __eou__ __eot__
it just get loud __eou__ we just hit / . __eou__
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doe anyon here use ubuntu on ppc ? __eou__ be there a ppc live cd ? __eou__ oh crap ... i get ta get home or my wife will kill me __eou__ i ll talk to you guy tomorrow ! __eou__ __eot__ ubuntu just work , debian need love __eou__ __eot__ heh __eou__ __eot__ i 'm run sid on my laptop for dd work , but my work desktop be ubuntu and my home desktop will be short . it love : ) __eou__ the gnome menu reorg by jdub/seb128 be realli nice __eou__ it use to do some weird check for the system spamd and be veri picki __eou__ __eot__ suck ... __eou__ where do you work ? __eou__ __eot__ small startup in london __eou__ __eot__ and do you work on linux/gnom stuff all day ? __eou__ __eot__ i wish ! __eou__ i ve spend the last week wonder whi a smartcard chip be n't respond to a reset __eou__ __eot__ fun stuff __eou__ __eot__
we think so __eou__
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heh __eou__ plenti of time for that __eou__ i 'm a littl confus about someth . ubuntu be base on debian , but it support amd64 . how doe that work ? __eou__ oh , i see __eou__ __eot__ heh . __eou__ you grab the iso from my workstat yet ? __eou__ __eot__
yep __eou__
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: there suppos to be no icon on frsh instal __eou__ __eot__ read back to what i say : ) __eou__ __eot__
: ; ) __eou__
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doe anyon here use ubuntu on ppc ? __eou__ __eot__ i 'm download it : ) __eou__ __eot__
hehe , i ll have to come back here tomorrow and ask you how it be : ) __eou__
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hm , strace apt-get show it spin on gettimeofday ( ) __eou__ aha , apt be loop on a select ( 13 , ... ) which be time out __eou__ __eot__ ls -l /proc/ ` pidof apt-get ` /fd/13 __eou__ __eot__ a pipe to somewher : ) __eou__ __eot__ hmm : - ) __eou__ probabl one of the method helper ? __eou__ __eot__ yea , i guess it the http method __eou__ __eot__
so my best bet be to return the 2 x53s 's & buy somt that have suport ? __eou__ 1day __eou__ i do buy 2 x53s laptop yesterday __eou__
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dmirror.wolffelaar.nl ; ) __eou__ __eot__ what be invis ? __eou__ __eot__
again it 's not updat for 9.04 __eou__
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hello ppl . im runnin debian/unst and i want to tri ubuntu . can i just chang my /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrad my way to ubuntu ? __eou__ it the rough edg that worri me the most __eou__ __eot__ if you worri about rough edg , reinstal . this be whi i keep /home on a separ partit : ) __eou__ __eot__
or rsync 'd to anoth partit ; ) __eou__
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good choic . now you can have > 2gb partit ; - ) __eou__ __eot__ i have that befor __eou__ what a sorri excus __eou__ __eot__
* g * __eou__
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( or even keep /home under version control ! ) __eou__ __eot__ i wish i know how to __eou__ __eot__
cd $ home ; cvs import /var/cv x y z ( etc . ) __eou__
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nope __eou__ it 's just like debian `` main '' `` contrib '' `` non-fre '' __eou__ debian stabl unstabl test map to warti hoari perki etc in ubuntu __eou__ __eot__ your new nick rock __eou__ __eot__ be you serious about that ? __eou__ rad ! __eou__ __eot__ ahr , ok __eou__ __eot__ be it that day today ? __eou__ __eot__ which day ? __eou__ yes it be ! __eou__ heh __eou__ __eot__ so what 's all of this fuzz about the wartypr0n ? __eou__ __eot__
let me know after you run luvcview . ( assum if you do n't have it then , apt-get instal luvcview ) __eou__
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i believ enlighten 17 will be veri good ... should tri it someday . __eou__ __eot__ well , should it ever get releas ; - ) __eou__ __eot__ i think efl be releas ... eh , pre-releas ? __eou__ i read some doc on enlighten foundat librari and it make a lot of sens . __eou__ __eot__
i do n't think it be . wine be free , and coffic be n't __eou__
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doe anyon here use ubuntu on ppc ? __eou__ be there a ppc live cd ? __eou__ __eot__ i 'm alreadi instal ; ) __eou__ __eot__ realli ? __eou__ __eot__
`` you do n't seem to be connect to a network ... '' __eou__
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mmm , shini new amd64 box just arriv this morn __eou__ __eot__ abit kv8-max3 be what i have __eou__ i be blind by the rice . __eou__ you have n't boot it up yet ? __eou__ __eot__
still in the box ... __eou__
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hello all ! __eou__ anyon know if ubuntu support network instal throught wireless usb devic ( atmel chip ) ? __eou__ __eot__ not quit __eou__ the firmwar be not avail in the instal __eou__ but after instal , it should work out of the box __eou__ it 's includ in our standard kernel __eou__ __eot__
thank .... i 'm go to download the iso file . __eou__
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the gnome 2.8 releas note seem to impli that evolut 2.0 support exchang account ( without a separ plugin ) . __eou__ and it also mention support rendezv without ani refer to libhowl . __eou__ __eot__ it 's a plugin . it be instal by default for me in ubuntu . __eou__ exchang support , that be __eou__ __eot__
thank u i ll check it out __eou__
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mmm , shini new amd64 box just arriv this morn __eou__ hi jono , will tri to repli to your mail soonish __eou__ __eot__ cool , which one be you ? __eou__ __eot__ /whoi : - ) __eou__ __eot__ ahhh cool , nice to meet you colin __eou__ aq ( stuart langridg ) mention you a lot __eou__ __eot__ figur , we ve know each other a long time : ) __eou__ __eot__ cool __eou__ __eot__ /dev/pmu be the power manag devic on powermac ; the error dialog be a gnome bug __eou__ __eot__ ahhh right __eou__ __eot__ basic , yes ; onli main right now , although we be discuss that at the technic board meet earlier __eou__ __eot__ cool , so may non-fre be make avail __eou__ it worri me a littl that i may not be abl to use debian packag in ubuntu __eou__ __eot__ at some point soonish that will probabl happen , yes , although there 's still a bite of debat about the implement __eou__ __eot__ so be the idea that when ubuntu upgrad to a new version , a simpl dist-upgrad will get everyon up to date ? __eou__ __eot__ right __eou__ if anyth more be need there ll be a warty- > hoari upgrad tool or whatev and it ll be announc , but hope it should n't be too involv __eou__ __eot__ right __eou__ it would b e cool to do a simpl upgrad to everyth __eou__ will the upgrad includ univers softwar ? __eou__ __eot__ sure , univers will be resync __eou__ __eot__ sure the depend in univers must be huge ? __eou__ __eot__ correct , which be whi it 's hard to recommend use debian packag __eou__ we get away with it becaus we rebuild the entireti of univers from sourc __eou__ __eot__ right __eou__ be ubuntu go to allow newer packag to be instal in between releas ? __eou__ __eot__
the hoari develop repositori will be open dure develop , if that 's what you mean __eou__
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wow __eou__ channel just keep get bigger and bigger ; 0 __eou__ how would i check my processor fequenc from a command line ? __eou__ __eot__ cat /proc/cpuinfo __eou__ __eot__ thank . __eou__ __eot__
the legal of mplayer be extrem question __eou__ debian doe not __eou__ avail doe not mean it 's includ : ) __eou__ yeah __eou__
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hi all __eou__ heya jdub - how it go dude ? __eou__ __eot__ relat sleep free ; ) __eou__ __eot__ i bet : d __eou__ __eot__ /etc/gdm/gdm.conf __eou__ __eot__ cheer __eou__ __eot__ might be easiest to instal totem-xin from univers __eou__ __eot__ ahhh realli , cool : ) __eou__ __eot__ debian main , unsupport __eou__ __eot__ cool , so normal debian packag integr rather well then __eou__ all we need now be a driver driver to allow a stabl abi in the kernel and ubuntu will rule the world : p __eou__ __eot__ stabl abi == puke : - ) __eou__ __eot__ but the driver situat be mad my man ... __eou__ __eot__ ugh __eou__ __eot__
ani manual compil of driver be wrong __eou__
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man latin1 ? : ) __eou__ or hit ctrl-k then e ' in insert mode in vim ... __eou__ __eot__ so singl octet per charact , use the msb to make it pritti __eou__ __eot__ yeah , it 's 8-bit per char . __eou__ man latin1 : ) __eou__ ( or man iso_8859-1 if you prefer ... ) __eou__ __eot__ in insert mode , lang=posix , c-k , e , `` give me a quot charact ... __eou__ but ' work ... __eou__ damn font __eou__ __eot__
: ) __eou__
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what be the default root password ? __eou__ __eot__ there be n't , use sudo program ' __eou__ __eot__ with qtpart ? __eou__ __eot__
hmmm , i be not sure how to find out if swap be be use or not __eou__
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you can onli use so mani card at onc also __eou__ __eot__ yes , but when you re test x , a larg divers number of card = veri good __eou__ __eot__
sure luxaeterna , would you happen to know where i can get a fresh 9.10 beta iso ? __eou__ thank ikonia __eou__
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hi __eou__ i have a weird problem - i have ubuntu run fine , then when i reboot the machin , gdm would not start , i type startx and the screen goe all fuzzi - when i run startx as root it work fine - ani idea ? __eou__ ani idea how to fix this video problem __eou__ be it someth to do with /dev/pmu and incorrect permiss - what be /dev/pmu ? __eou__ __eot__ that x stuff sound like random complet ars __eou__ __eot__ random complet ars ? huh ? : p __eou__ ani idea how i can fix it ? __eou__ __eot__ no idea , sorri -- sinc they both use the same config file , it sound imposs __eou__ __eot__ yeah - it weird __eou__ __eot__
yo __eou__
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that 's it __eou__ nice to have canon staff on the irc support channel __eou__ i must admin that ubuntu look great __eou__ i ve be use debian for year and the thing that piss me off more be the long period of time of the stabl distro , and the lack of commerci support . both thing can be find in ubuntu while maintain the debian philosophi . definit great . congrat dude __eou__ __eot__ commerci support ? ; ) __eou__ __eot__ doe n't canon provid pay support for ubuntu ? __eou__ __eot__
? ? you can hire a consult / support compani for debian , there be a list in the debian doc __eou__
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: unsupport packag do n't get bug fix ? __eou__ __eot__ we do n't concentr on them too much , but we re veri open to fix and so on from the communiti : _ ) __eou__ __eot__ : be you an ubuntu employe ? ( well , the compani that support ubuntu whose name i do n't rememb ) __eou__ __eot__ thing like build fix and so on would be great __eou__ yeah , canon __eou__ yes __eou__ __eot__
yes what ? : - ) __eou__
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umm , it have x 4.3.99 be n't it ? __eou__ or it 's 4.3.0 ? __eou__ __eot__ it 's a 4.3.0 heavili patch __eou__ __eot__ ah , ok , thank for info __eou__ __eot__ np : - ) __eou__ it would be nice if you can tell me how x will behav __eou__ __eot__
you can count with it __eou__
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yes , we ve be use it in develop __eou__ we use quit differ monitor autodetect so the two be n't compar ; file an xresprob bug , i guess __eou__ __eot__ you do n't actual need to look in source.list , synapt can chang repositori on the fli ... __eou__ __eot__ or that , yeah __eou__ apt archiv on cds be pretti easi to do __eou__ __eot__ but they be not that easi to instal from , becaus the user have to use apt-cdrom or whatev __eou__ __eot__ should be possibl to wire that into synapt - > prefer - > repositori - > new in a nicer way __eou__ __eot__ if they could just put in the cd , and tell synapt `` this cd be an apt sourc '' , they could instal from it instant ; if the app on the cd could also show up in a new application-level packag manag , a user could just click on the app icon in that list , and go __eou__ __eot__ # have a special mean in menu.lst ... update-grub par it __eou__ __eot__ simplifi here , in exampl it 's not import __eou__ 386 be what i get __eou__ __eot__ there 's be one daili build sinc the releas candid , with essenti no chang __eou__ quit a few , see the warty-chang list archiv on lists.ubuntu.com for detail __eou__ __eot__ great , thank for get gamin in __eou__ __eot__
be n't me : ) __eou__
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i 'm tri to instal it in qemu , under sarg , and i 'm write a littl review in spanish about it __eou__ in qemu , instal ( i 'm here ) seem to work allright __eou__ so i 'm do one __eou__ scrollkeep be take a lot of time to be configur here __eou__ __eot__ take me well over an hour __eou__ __eot__ similar here , then __eou__ if you want host or a web to write it , tell me __eou__ __eot__ sinc you have do the same instal , you probabl have a lot to add to it __eou__ __eot__
bash script question be better direct toward # bash __eou__
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do n't you have one veri similar in your laptop ? __eou__ __eot__ um , my laptop be dead : ) __eou__ __eot__
ah , ok , i think you have the same graphic target as me __eou__
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ok , i have a first draft of a howto for use qemu - ani suggest what i do with it ? __eou__ send to the mail list ? __eou__ __eot__ perhap mail -user ? __eou__ should be pretti good __eou__ modulo wifi support : | __eou__ we want to do i * for hoari __eou__ __eot__ thing be , i ve use i * in the past , and i be surpris how much smoother uim seem to be __eou__ __eot__ mmm , seem it 's the grow standard though - so best to support and improv it ... __eou__ perhap we can provid both if it 's easi to handl __eou__ __eot__ true __eou__ real exampl ? __eou__ __eot__ includ japan input support and font __eou__ __eot__ yep . __eou__ __eot__
versus a tight hone , minim firewal deriv __eou__ bounc a sacr anim be a bite over the top , though . __eou__ it 's not package-depend __eou__
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uhm , where do i tweak stuff so i can fetch normal debian packag ? i need gossip and texmacsa __eou__ texmac i mean __eou__ __eot__ just enabl univers in your sources.list __eou__ that __eou__ that 's what i be work on right now : - ) __eou__ for the preview releas be a bite rough .. for final there should be a simpl command like : nvidia enabl or nvidia disabl __eou__ __eot__
it 's get late here , so i ll quit for today and tri some more stuff tommorow . thank you for your effort __eou__
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doe that includ libdvdcss2 ? __eou__ __eot__ nah , that 's okay ( i have it here ) __eou__ the stuff in christian marillat 's proprietary/scari media repositori seem to work okay __eou__ depend how well apps/lib start use alsa __eou__ __eot__ one new issu , it take far too long to add a new user to all the group need to actual do anyth ... __eou__ __eot__
a secondari user ? yeah , we want to make that easier __eou__
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bio mayb or move card to anoth slot if poss . __eou__ __eot__ it a laptop ... __eou__ __eot__
be it clean instal or upgrad ? __eou__
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imbecilidad 8 ) __eou__ estoy buscando mis pantalon < - my onli spanish : ) __eou__ __eot__ be there someway to remov it from gnome-volume-control in the mean time ? __eou__ __eot__ oh , no unfortun __eou__ i believ that will be fix in gnome 2.10 __eou__ so will be much nicer in hoari : ) __eou__ __eot__ would you be a good person to ask about utopia and usb drive ? __eou__ __eot__ hope : ) what 's the prob ? __eou__ that be total non-utop __eou__ can you plug it in while hal-device-manag be run ? __eou__ __eot__ glad you agre , it all show up in devic manag fine __eou__ if i run g-v-m in a termin , it tell me it wo n't mount , the normal bad type , superblock or whatev messag __eou__ __eot__
regard 3d wallpap __eou__
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umm , jdub be n't it a good idea put apt-watch by default in a panel ? __eou__ __eot__ you can if you want , we ll have a solut for that in hoari __eou__ we choose not to use apt-watch , but we ll have someth like it in hoari __eou__ __eot__ ah , ok __eou__ i say , person review : ) __eou__ but onli secur fix ? __eou__ __eot__ build fix and so on , but not new version __eou__ __eot__ perfect __eou__ __eot__ we be not do secur support for univers __eou__ __eot__
ah , ok , that 's interest ( and comprehens ) __eou__ i like that way , it 's veri intelig __eou__ umm , not exact sid , be n't it ? __eou__
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be n't kde includ in the ubuntu apt repositori ? __eou__ ; ) __eou__ __eot__ uncom univers in sources.list __eou__ __eot__
do i have to regist to pm you ? __eou__ join # flux-help-ubuntu __eou__
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i prefer term `` gilipollec '' __eou__ __eot__ gilipollec suena mejor : ) __eou__ __eot__
one trick be to at grub prompt : hit e to edit whatev boot select and add this to end of kernel line init=/bin/sh ' then hit enter then b to boot . when you get to # prompt type mount -o remount , rw / ' then you will be abl to chang the pass like passwd usernam ' __eou__ and reboot __eou__
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the lsb init function have bash-specif syntax on line 76 __eou__ i do an upgrad from a debian system that have dash as /bin/sh . noth restart as a result . __eou__ __eot__ which part of that line be the bash'ism ? __eou__ __eot__
that 's odd __eou__
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instal from cd ? look like it might be a dodgi burn , high-spe write have be know to be problemat sometim __eou__ __eot__ that would make sens , not a veri clear error messag then __eou__ __eot__
yeah , sorri about that , it realli mean `` retriev '' rather than `` download '' __eou__
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lot of patch be generat : ) __eou__ pbor : dude : ) __eou__ pbor : nice to see you here : ) __eou__ __eot__ warti look great ... i ll test it out a bite on my desktop ( i 'm not yet use to debian ) and then i ll prolli go for it also on the laptop __eou__ __eot__ cool ! __eou__ yep : ) __eou__ __eot__ thank ... i 'm a deb noob : ) __eou__ __eot__
we have a no listen servic by default ' polici __eou__
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you re not the onli person think about this . __eou__ the fact that i have a differ day job now which happen to involv debian doe n't mean that i 'm not work on debian in my spare time ani more ; i use to have a day job which * do n't * involv debian . __eou__ __eot__ you be right . in fact , under the same circumst i would do the same thing - look for a debian relat full-tim job . __eou__ __eot__ we ll be do jigdo , but it 's not set up yet __eou__ howev , a local sid/sarg mirror would n't help you anyway __eou__ ( oh yeah , azeem say that ) __eou__ __eot__ but do you provid a suspend script for acpid , to stop/restart hotplug , save mixer set etc. ? __eou__ __eot__
i would n't know __eou__
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oh well , yet anoth fork . __eou__ __eot__ but one give a lot back . __eou__ http : //www.no-name-yet.com/patches/ __eou__ what bug ? __eou__ __eot__
rip out brltti ' make libbrlapi ' unus . __eou__
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it could be great if the user could be ask if the time should be set from the hwclock or the internet dure instal __eou__ __eot__ ubuntu instal ntpdate which sync automat on boot __eou__ __eot__
o.k . it do not work dure this instal .. my comput stall , and to get go i need to press ctrl-c __eou__
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then it 's stupid . __eou__ though , it might work . __eou__ __eot__ the right way cost too much manpow __eou__ __eot__ no , it doe n't . __eou__ the right solut be probabl < 3 man month to implement . __eou__ __eot__ then ubuntu will be the first debian releas with amd64 support ; ) __eou__ __eot__ ubuntu _is_ the first debian ( deriv ) releas with amd64 support . __eou__ __eot__
be it base on pure64 ? __eou__
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the option not to copi everyth over be archive-copy=fals , right ? __eou__ __eot__ archive-copier/copy=fals __eou__ actual , the instal realli use devf at the moment , not udev __eou__ do n't think so __eou__ daili iso be still be build , but they be n't actual be make visibl anywher at the moment due to a problem with the bittorr stuff __eou__ __eot__ btw , do you mind and i386 upload of that ? seem it 's onli avail for powerpc and alpha __eou__ __eot__ not at all , go ahead , i mean to do it myself but do n't get round to it __eou__ __eot__ i might do it , when i get around and do n't forget : ) __eou__ __eot__ boot normal , run through the ui up to partit but without actual finish the partit step , switch to tty2 , mount your root partit , chroot __eou__ __eot__ work perfect , thank a bunch __eou__ nope __eou__ __eot__ they re use for some strang build-dep __eou__ we opt to tune for p4 instead __eou__ no i 'm not ... __eou__ __eot__
oh , it be get such a nice running-gag __eou__
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i have a quick kinda newbi question about the instal , could someon possibl help me out ? __eou__ when i instal , i have to use the noapic and nolap option , or els the instal would hang befor it get to the languag detect screen . __eou__ after a success instal , the system reboot , i get `` uncompress linux ... ok , boot the kernel . '' and then it hang , it wo n't go ani further . __eou__ __eot__ the noapic and nolap option do n't current get copi into your grub configur __eou__ it 's on my list of thing to fix befor final releas __eou__ in the meantim , press escap at the countdown to get the grub menu , and edit the kernel line of the topmost menu entri , ad noapic nolap ' to the end __eou__ you re welcom __eou__ that would n't help with traffic cost __eou__ shipit.ubuntulinux.org __eou__ __eot__
mithrandir : thank for your help guy . i 'm out for now . great distro , thank . __eou__
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yes __eou__ __eot__ : i suppos it come from sid ? __eou__ __eot__ faik yes __eou__ __eot__ : doe n't load over here __eou__ __eot__ well i'mi have load time everywher now.and mozillla just crash on fresh boot into linux this be although i have to manual do dhclient ; ( .. anyway ... be mozilla 1.72 know to have issu ani idea ? __eou__ __eot__ : well , be it the upgrad version on your warti ? i can upgrad and tri also __eou__ __eot__ it what come with ubuntu __eou__ __eot__ : ok , let me check that __eou__ : mine 's be 0.9.4 . i will tri to upgrad and than let you know what happen . __eou__ __eot__ odd .. well if your be old version then mayb mine be upgrad ( and idid n't realiz it obvious : ( ) dure apt session lol __eou__ __eot__ : probabl - i be upgrad now __eou__ __eot__ k thx ... i hope this doe n't give you instabl issu too ; ( ... we may both need to quick head back toa diffrent version lol __eou__ __eot__ : nahh , that 's ok , . worst case we 'd downgrad the version . __eou__ __eot__ so odd .. nwn.bioware.com be work great in window ... it might be just coincid and biowar might well be have off and on problem lol ! ! __eou__ yup __eou__ __eot__ : i guess so it 's a coincid , although i do n't have a win to check .. : ) __eou__ __eot__ yes it mozilla __eou__ __eot__ : ok , how do you make a final conclus ? __eou__ __eot__
be you run dapper or breezi ? __eou__
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instal problem i mention to you http : //muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu-installer.png __eou__ __eot__ kamion should be abl to help __eou__ probabl best to start off on universepropos __eou__ around ? __eou__ what 's the global locat for that default ? __eou__ __eot__ not sure if there be one , it 's set in kdelibs/kdefx/kstyle.cpp ( and it 's set to plastik by default in kde 3.4 ) __eou__ __eot__ ahr . __eou__ be hope to find an industrial/human like theme for kde , and set that as the default for ubuntu __eou__ __eot__ be that the theme use by gtk in ubuntu ? __eou__ __eot__ industri be the gtk+ engin , human be the metathem ' in use and gtkrc mod to industri __eou__ flip ' the `` ok '' and `` cancel '' button wo n't make it anyth like gnome : ) __eou__ ( erm , that 's fallaci too , do n't fight fire with fire pleas ) __eou__ __eot__ yes , i ll shut up now __eou__ __eot__ it guarante the freedom of the gtk+ and gnome platform librari code . this be a veri silli point to argu , dude . __eou__ the kde depend be scari , dude __eou__ even kde-cor be a bite whack __eou__ hope you guy can slicken them up a bite : ) __eou__ btw , do you know whi art doe n't have split up backend packag ? __eou__ current it requir libjack and thus jackd - eeek ! __eou__ __eot__
that can be , all togeth in error : ) __eou__
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what about background it , like dhcpo ? __eou__ dhcp , sorri __eou__ __eot__ hm , riski , i can imagin program get confus by the time random chang under them __eou__ __eot__
be you good with set up vnc stuff ? __eou__
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be there a reason whi ssh be not instal by default ? __eou__ shini even __eou__ __eot__ the ssh packag be now just a dummi packag depend on openssh-cli and openssh-serv __eou__ this ll go into debian too post-sarg __eou__ __eot__
not my area of expertis ... i 'm not veri music i 'm afraid __eou__
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bad interpret ? wrong libc ? __eou__ be there a .jigdo file for the ubuntu imag ? __eou__ becaus my internet traffic be expens , access to the local sid/sarg mirror be not __eou__ __eot__ they have rebuild main , they do n't use the offici debian packag __eou__ __eot__
urg . reduc the reuseabl a lot . __eou__
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stub : oh , back home ? __eou__ __eot__ yup __eou__ __eot__ not smp - > that 's for multiprocessor __eou__ hyperthread be onli avail on p4/xeon afaik __eou__ you want 686 __eou__ killal gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel __eou__ __eot__
clean reboot 4 hour ago , but i guess i ll tri that ... __eou__
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guy be it okay to add a real live debian unstabl branch .. i need audac and it not in unbuntu .. ? ? ? ? ; - ) __eou__ __eot__ you mean this one ? ? ? universe/sound/audacity_1.2.1-1 : instal [ option : uncompil ] __eou__ or which arch be you look at ? __eou__ __eot__ kewl that work ; -0 __eou__ nm i forget about univers .. warti be onli one in default sources.list ; -0 __eou__ of cours ; - ) __eou__ hmm odd .. pretti sure mine doe default .. lem me check __eou__ yes mine load mozilla for exampl when i click them __eou__ __eot__
oh __eou__ now i understand what ya mean __eou__
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who do i talk to about make a bakery2.3 .deb for ubuntu ? __eou__ __eot__ we sync off debian , so you should get it into debian itself . __eou__ __eot__ it 's in debian itself __eou__ __eot__ seem to have be ad after we snapshot sid ? __eou__ late june , iirc . __eou__ unless jdub or somebodi tell me otherwis , i think it ll be in hoari ( at least , in univers ) __eou__ run a local compil version ? or bribe jdub into accept it ? ; ) __eou__ but you can look at it anoth way , we ll be start on hoari fair soon , so you wo n't have to wait forev to see bakery2.3 in a releas . : ) __eou__ __eot__
hrmm ... __eou__
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hello all , i have some question about ubuntu ... __eou__ __eot__ this be the place for it __eou__ veri much so __eou__ __eot__ i be interest in commit time to a distro , but debian be to polit , and fedora to close . be develop pretti welcom here ? __eou__ __eot__ definit : ) __eou__ join -devel __eou__ __eot__ good ; ) how do i get involv in the graphic instal here ? __eou__ __eot__ well , work have not realli start on some of those hoaryhedgehog goal , but join the list , and you ll hear about them as soon as they start ; ) __eou__ __eot__ where be a good todo then ? __eou__ __eot__ bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org 8 ) __eou__ also , on the wiki under hoaryhedgehog __eou__ __eot__ i can see you love a good bum rush ; ) __eou__ __eot__ the hoaryhedgehog page have our broad goal for the next releas __eou__ __eot__
yeah i come prepar , quit unusu for me . __eou__
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how come mplayer be not on apt ? __eou__ o_o __eou__ it be ? __eou__ hmm ... __eou__ strang . __eou__ everi other distro includ it tho : ( __eou__ mepi do , odd . __eou__ __eot__ : redhat doe ? __eou__ __eot__ fedora , yes . __eou__ __eot__
: it 's includ codec and usag , be convtroversi __eou__ : i 'm after a night without sleep , not pay so much attentionto spell mistak .. __eou__ : what brand ? __eou__
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i get `` /dev/dsp doe n't exist '' when tri to play sound ... what could i do ? __eou__ __eot__ be alsa-bas instal ? __eou__ __eot__ yes __eou__ __eot__ what sound card do you have ? __eou__ be the snd-ens1371 modul load ? __eou__ __eot__ how do i check ( sorri , i 'm new to linux ) __eou__ __eot__ lsmod | grep snd-ens1371 __eou__ if that return anyth , then you have the modul load . __eou__ __eot__ no ... __eou__ __eot__ if you tri to run modprob snd-ens1371 , doe that work ? __eou__ __eot__ wait : snd_ens1371 return __eou__ __eot__ hm , a bite weird , then . __eou__ could you run dmesg | less and cut and past anyth look like it have anyth to do with the sound card in a /msg to me ? __eou__ arrow to scroll , q to quit less . __eou__ __eot__ i ll tri __eou__ thank for help __eou__ __eot__ my pleasur . : ) __eou__ __eot__
the onli line with sound be `` devfs_mk_dev : could not append to parent for sound/audio '' __eou__
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negat __eou__ i tri dmesg | grep 1371 __eou__ __eot__ could you rmmod snd_ens1371 ; modprob snd_ens1371 ? __eou__ __eot__ erro : modul snd_ens1371 be in use __eou__ __eot__ ah , ok . sorri , mea culpa , we re chase the wrong bug . __eou__ be snd_pcm_oss load ? __eou__ __eot__ do i check with modprob again ? __eou__ __eot__ lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss __eou__ . match anyth __eou__ __eot__ with grep oss it find : snd_pcm_oss , snd_mixer_oss , snd_pcm , snd __eou__ __eot__ hmm .. this be get weird . doe cat /dev/sndstat tell you that you have some audio devic ? __eou__ __eot__ yes , it find the devic 0 ( tv card ) and 1 ( es1371 ( duplex ) ) __eou__ __eot__ and you have file name pcm * in /dev/snd ? __eou__ __eot__ yes . sever __eou__ __eot__ do you have a /dev/dsp file ? __eou__ __eot__ yes __eou__ __eot__ ok , then it 's probabl just esd not run . __eou__ if you run esd -nobeep , doe play music work ? __eou__ __eot__
i 'm on a macbook air 3,1 if that make a differ __eou__ i ve , uhhh , tri that alreadi . __eou__
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hmm 5:00 be be certain morn jdub : ) __eou__ __eot__ 1200 ( noon ) here , i sleep pretti sound after all the releas action ; - ) __eou__ __eot__
it 's the static ip i get from my isp whenev my modem get reboot __eou__
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which codec should i use for totem .. xine or mplayer ? __eou__ __eot__ xine play alot more video format in my experi __eou__ __eot__
doh .. thank __eou__
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http : //bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ __eou__ __eot__ be that your real name ? __eou__ __eot__ tollef fog heen , as it say in /whoi __eou__ __eot__ i dont know what that mean , but it my cousin name __eou__ __eot__ what tollef mean ? __eou__ __eot__ yes __eou__ __eot__ it come from torleiv , which mean someth along the line of `` the ancestor of thor '' or `` the one who come after thor '' . ( thor be the nors god of thunder . ) __eou__ __eot__
i instal build-essenti but it dl'ed just that , be it just a meta-packag ? do it not bring other stuff with it becaus i alreadi have all the packag like gcc etc instal __eou__
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be there a reason whi ssh be not instal by default ? __eou__ __eot__ it be , but the ssh server be not start , i believ ? __eou__ __eot__
close all the app , so your jus leave with a lil white squar , and right click that . __eou__
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no , fstab be handled/wrap by pmount __eou__ afaik __eou__ __eot__ i 'm just read what the readme.debian in /usr/share/doc/gnome-volume-manag say __eou__ __eot__
it 's not updat i guess __eou__ file a bug __eou__
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it need to be in fstab for g-v-m to work the way you want . __eou__ __eot__ it be in fstab __eou__ __eot__ use to live in wa __eou__ __eot__
yes you what ? __eou__ no that messag be not for you __eou__
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have anyon els have troubl get the binari nvidia driver work ? __eou__ __eot__ it work okay for me __eou__ __eot__
the hardwar be not in ani way part of your session __eou__
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i notic alot of peopl on osnew be whine about no cd burn app , can you not instal k3b ? or be it just a matter of ad the right sourc ? be it in univers ? __eou__ __eot__ nautilus can burn . __eou__ i think they have be slashdot __eou__ the link come up if you wait for ever __eou__ __eot__ get it __eou__ that a pretti posit review __eou__ __eot__
right-click - > pref - > plugin - > output - > set to esd __eou__ in short , oss suck __eou__
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there be a cd burn app __eou__ just put in a blank cd . __eou__ __eot__ this i know , but audio cds , vcd 's and the like __eou__ what you tri to get work ? __eou__ __eot__ ifold __eou__ __eot__ do you instal ifold from cvs or alien the rpms ? i couldnt see src file , but i be half blind : ) __eou__ __eot__
just put the script into root 's crontab ( use sudo crontab -e ) and they will run as root . you do n't need to use sudo in the script then . __eou__
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where do i find the log from ppp ? i instal ubuntu on a friend laptop yesterday and could n't get pppoe to work . there be no log in /var/log/ { syslog , messag } and `` plog '' didnt show anyth either __eou__ __eot__ perhap ad debug ' to the option in /etc/ppp/peers/foo help __eou__ __eot__
ok i ll tri that onc he get here __eou__
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reiserf be total weak __eou__ xfs fo life __eou__ __eot__ word . __eou__ __eot__ ? __eou__ what be the whole `` i chris lee '' comment about ? __eou__ __eot__ i do n't know who you be , heh . __eou__ __eot__ do you recogn me now ? : ) __eou__ __eot__ i , for one , welcom our new freedesktop.org overlord . __eou__ __eot__ : ) __eou__ yep . __eou__ ha . no . i work for red hat , dude . __eou__ i have to keep an eye on our competit so that we can crush them easier . ; ) __eou__ __eot__ yeah i know ... __eou__ __eot__ i 'm kid . daniel be a good friend of mine and work for canon . and i love debian distro . __eou__ i run all rhel and fedora core at work __eou__ __eot__ yeah i know . no need to explain to me . i dig your guy 's work . __eou__ __eot__ i hate rpm . : ) - but i realli love the stuff that we at rh do for the communiti at larg , so i have no qualm about work there __eou__ __eot__ get to check out walter ' present on selinux at last weekend ohio linuxfest . __eou__ __eot__
it come with xp and all that shit lol __eou__
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anyon els figur out how to migrat evolut 1.4.x mail to evolut 2.0 under ubuntu ? __eou__ __eot__ should happen when you first run evo2 __eou__ __eot__ i get an error when i first start evo2 , then it prompt me to setup my mail account and start normal __eou__ but it do n't migrat anyth __eou__ __eot__ hrm , d'oh : | __eou__ __eot__ the error be someth about not be abl to start evolut datastor or the like proper __eou__ how do i reset evolut to get the first time prompt again ? __eou__ __eot__ delet ~/.evolut __eou__ * not * ~/evolut ; - ) __eou__ and then perhap check /apps/evolut in gconf-editor __eou__ __eot__ i have that back up ; ) __eou__ this be a clean home dir btw __eou__ the onli thing i do be untar my evolut directori into home __eou__ err ... ~/ __eou__ no dice __eou__ wait a minut __eou__ let me do that again ; ) __eou__ ok , after evolution-2.0 -- force-shutdown , delet ~/.evolut and ~/.gconf/apps/evolut and then do a kill -hup on gconfd , re-extract my old ~/evolut into my home dir , and then restart evolut and start evolution-2.0 for the second time it migrat perfect , account and all __eou__ __eot__ heh , that 's how it 's mean to work first time ; ) __eou__ great ; ) __eou__ __eot__ so i think the evolut datastor be squirr __eou__ at least for new user account __eou__ oh , and i dunno that it make a differ , but i 'm run amd64 here __eou__ __eot__ hrm , probabl not __eou__ so you have a total new user account , unpack your evolut dir , and run evo2 ? __eou__ __eot__
yep __eou__ just finish set up my system , log in , unpack my evo dir , run evo2 , kablooi __eou__
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where do i find the log from ppp ? i instal ubuntu on a friend laptop yesterday and could n't get pppoe to work . there be no log in /var/log/ { syslog , messag } and `` plog '' didnt show anyth either __eou__ __eot__ /var/log/daemon.log or syslog __eou__ __eot__ i must admit i didnt check daemon.log , i shall do so later __eou__ __eot__
/var/log/syslog should have _all_ log , so it should certain have it . __eou__
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hi __eou__ doe the install-cd of ubuntu support creatoin of reiser4 partit ? __eou__ __eot__ no __eou__ __eot__
ok , thank : ) __eou__
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hrdwr_bob : yesterday i ask you about screen res ( i could onli get 1024 , not 1280 ) . fyi i have fix this by re-instal and pick the correct res dure setup ! thank . __eou__ __eot__ you should be abl chang this by do sudo dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xfree86 __eou__ although thank for remind us that it 's actual easier for most peopl to just reinstal ... __eou__ __eot__
http : //paste.ubuntu.com/16204/ __eou__
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( _axel : i ca n't get video , sound be fine : ) __eou__ __eot__ ani hint ? __eou__ __eot__ not realli i 'm afraid , other than the normal check modul , then check that alsa have n't set your volum to 0 __eou__ __eot__
no , i run alsamix and set everyth ok __eou__
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anyon els figur out how to migrat evolut 1.4.x mail to evolut 2.0 under ubuntu ? __eou__ __eot__ you could probabl do a file- > import and choos the mbox file . __eou__ __eot__
dude , i have like 300 mbox file __eou__ that would take forev __eou__
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if i want to rerun the x auto-setup , do i just do the same as for debian , as it say in xf86config-4 ? __eou__ __eot__ the comment in xf86config-4 be correct , yes . __eou__ if you have n't modifi the file by hand , you can just run dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xfree86 __eou__ __eot__ be the x setup at instal the same as the dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xfree86 one in principl ? __eou__ __eot__
yes __eou__
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-_- __eou__ __eot__ loool __eou__ geil ram __eou__ __eot__
yes but i would be difficult method to instal from there . let me see if there be ani other altern way __eou__ just ask ikonia that u want to fix mbr sinc none of ur oper system be boot __eou__ do ur problem get solv ? __eou__
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ya that the first thing i run into , i be like wtf i never set a password for root __eou__ sudo would work for most ppl , but i need root im just so use to do it that way __eou__ __eot__ sudo bash __eou__ and you re root : ) __eou__ __eot__
neato :0 __eou__
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hello everyon __eou__ can i slip in one tini question ? : ) i be wonder which trash applet be describ in the ubuntu faq __eou__ be it write by ubuntu peopl or an extern project __eou__ __eot__ it 's your __eou__ __eot__ ah , that clear the thing : ) __eou__ __eot__
they be tri to contact you about it __eou__
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hello everyon __eou__ can i slip in one tini question ? : ) i be wonder which trash applet be describ in the ubuntu faq __eou__ __eot__ probabl the trash can in the lower right of the default gnome desktop ? __eou__ __eot__ yeah , i mean , doe it have a websit or st ? __eou__ __eot__
then they will be backport to the version in hoari __eou__
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bah , what be dookoo do in here __eou__ __eot__ i use ubuntu on one box : ( __eou__ tori convinc me : / __eou__ how would you check to see if fglrx be work ? : o i 'm tri to help someon get their ati driver work and i have no idea how to tell if it 's load or not __eou__ __eot__
glxinfo 's output be margin more use than glxglear __eou__ do you send him to # ati ? __eou__
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the one thing that make me so happi be not have to tinker with crap like alsa __eou__ __eot__ oh god yes . __eou__ __eot__ i post in your ar thread ( hello.jpg ) __eou__ __eot__ oh , heh . __eou__ you .... rule . __eou__ __eot__ i do n't think we re suppos to have that but whatev : p __eou__ __eot__ yeah me too , i keep call my local novel guy __eou__ __eot__
i be tell that the public beta would be out in august . then i read an articl where christ stone say that the beta would n't come out : ( __eou__
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ani idea on the hardwar support of a brand new thinkpad t42 ? : ) __eou__ __eot__ total rad : ) __eou__ __eot__ i shall tri it as soon as i get some free time __eou__ __eot__
thank __eou__
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doe anyon have a centrino laptop with suspend to disk/ram work ? __eou__ i have a soni vaio z1 __eou__ everyth work __eou__ cept for suspend __eou__ ya bright and speed step __eou__ radeontool __eou__ sonypi __eou__ you can set it up so the function key work __eou__ to adjust the bright and sound __eou__ __eot__ how do you manag it ? __eou__ __eot__ http : //graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~rainer/linux-vaio.html __eou__ __eot__ you also run ubutu ? __eou__ be everyth on that link ? __eou__ __eot__
im run ubuntu , it on that page or it link to a diff page __eou__
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you have an apt server address for that ? __eou__ __eot__ which ? __eou__ you add univers ' to your deb line in sources.list __eou__ __eot__ i assum the univers packag be rebuild to work with ubuntu ? the webpag say the stock debian file be not recommend __eou__ __eot__ yes , it 's all ubuntu-built __eou__ whereabout ? __eou__ do the name piqu your interest ? : ) __eou__ quit a few of us , yeah __eou__ __eot__ have time for a question pleas ? __eou__ __eot__
lucid will be releas some time dure the 29th , i.e : there be no exact time . you can await the announc in # ubuntu-release-parti __eou__ pleas ask in # winehq if you be look for applic support under wine __eou__
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hi man nice to see you here ... howz one of my nwn bud do ? ; 000 __eou__ think we ll get nwn2 ? ; - ) __eou__ would seem we would ; - ) __eou__ __eot__ realli ? __eou__ you re _that_ neighborle ? __eou__ heh __eou__ __eot__ na .. this be just a close similar lol __eou__ __eot__
where have you see that we will get nwn2 ? __eou__
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be it easi to instal nvidia driver ? __eou__ __eot__ yup __eou__ __eot__ axel : be it automat or manual ... i 'm not too familiar with linux yet ! __eou__ __eot__ most automat __eou__ still have to edit a config file by hand __eou__ sec __eou__ roll a cig cant type __eou__ __eot__ get from nvidia websit or through unbuntu packag manag ? __eou__ __eot__ k , i can type now __eou__ what you do be : __eou__ 1- apt-get instal linux-restricted-modules- < yourkernelversionher > nvidia-glx __eou__ that like 20mb download __eou__ so start now __eou__ after that , you do modprob nvidia ' __eou__ that load the kernel modul __eou__ then you do dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xfree86 , go through all the config option which should be alreadi set to the correct default and select nvidia ' driver rather than nv ' __eou__ and then you uncheck glcore and dri from the list of x server modul to load __eou__ then you do cat nvidia > > /etc/modul ' and zap the server with ctrl-alt-backspac to have it restart __eou__ the x server i mean __eou__ after that , you should see the nvidia logo befor the gdm screen kick in __eou__ __eot__ thank axel , i get to say linux fan , that it 's much easier on xp ! ! ! __eou__ __eot__ well __eou__ it be much wors when you have to build the driver yourself and get the full kernel sourc and mess with break symbol link and etc __eou__ yep , it most nvidia 's fault __eou__ __eot__
that 's what i 'm run right now . there can be updat that can caus breakag though . __eou__
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sarg alway load my alsa and oss modul , so noth work . ugh . __eou__ nope , for final __eou__ __eot__ i have that problem as well , for me it be discov vs. hotplug __eou__ heh , with ssh ? that be novel __eou__ rsync ? __eou__ __eot__
i instal jre2 today , could that be it ? __eou__
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i 'd like to instal java on ubuntu ... how can i do ? __eou__ __eot__ if it not in the ubuntu archiv just uncom the debian ' section in /etc/apt/sources.list ( use synapt if youd rather sinc it come preinstal ) __eou__ su __eou__ __eot__
debian doe n't have packag for java ... __eou__
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* cough * funroll-loops.org __eou__ __eot__ i love that __eou__ __eot__ edit .bashrc , and comment out the prompt_command line __eou__ __eot__
i boot into the same kernel for everyth no updat __eou__
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a debian base distro with the veri latest gnome attrack me . __eou__ anyon know of a tool to use to suck in my kmail inbox to evolut __eou__ __eot__ creat an imap server , use kmail to move the mail , and then point evo at it __eou__ __eot__ ok thank __eou__ __eot__
then keep the imap server so you can switch client whenev you wish __eou__
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