| [01:35] <doctormo> palhmbs: xorg.conf isn't needed any more | |
| [01:36] <doctormo> You should use xsetwacom | |
| [01:36] <palhmbs> I tried xsetwacom | |
| [01:36] <palhmbs> it doesn't detect it :( | |
| [01:36] <palhmbs> it's a serial port A3 wacom intous3 | |
| [01:36] <palhmbs> works on a Win XP machine fine | |
| [01:37] <palhmbs> I'd really appreciate some tips on how to troubleshoot | |
| [01:37] <palhmbs> but I'm using debian 6 at the moment | |
| [01:37] <palhmbs> and trying to get a website design finished | |
| [01:39] <palhmbs> I found a ubuntu forum thread that I thought would help | |
| [01:39] <palhmbs> but it was giving directions to change xorg.conf | |
| [01:40] <palhmbs> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298705 | |
| [03:57] <doctormo> palhmbs: Hmm, I have some bad news for you, the serial wacom tablets are no longer supported. | |
| [03:58] <doctormo> You have to use a previous version of the driver, which means a previous version of xorg, which means a previous version of Ubuntu. | |
| [03:58] <doctormo> I think Jaunty or Karmic might support them. | |
| [03:58] <palhmbs> What the!! | |
| [03:59] <palhmbs> that stupid | |
| [03:59] <palhmbs> s/that/that's/ | |
| [03:59] <palhmbs> why, oh why did they drop them? | |
| [03:59] <palhmbs> can't I compile the old driver on my newer debian based distro? | |
| [04:00] <palhmbs> doctormo, can you give me a reference for this bad news? | |
| [04:00] <palhmbs> cause this is very upsetting | |
| [04:00] <palhmbs> I had the chance of buying a USB adaptor for it too... | |
| [04:00] <palhmbs> and thought I didn't need it. | |
| [04:01] <palhmbs> where's the wacom #channel - I want to moan :P | |
| [04:03] <doctormo> palhmbs: Give me a second to confirm it | |
| [04:04] <palhmbs> doctormo, thanks for your help btw | |
| [04:04] <doctormo> When I was talking to ping (who works for Wacom on the linux driver) she said the serial port devices, except for the PnP ones, are dropped. | |
| [04:05] <palhmbs> except for the PnP ones, maybe that's hope? | |
| [04:05] <palhmbs> oh well, I guess I'll have to reboot into WinXP and use it there. | |
| [04:05] <palhmbs> pity, but that's the same issue with my non-sane compliant scanner. | |
| [04:05] <palhmbs> bbl | |
| [04:08] <doctormo> palhmbs: Hang on | |
| [04:14] <doctormo> Add http://paste.ubuntu.com/625598/ to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/51-wacom-serial.conf and update the ttyS number for your device. Restart computer and tell me if it works. | |
| [04:15] <doctormo> It's important that you tell me so I can update various people on it's workingness. | |
| [04:15] <doctormo> (also what you're using, Debian etc) | |
| [04:28] <palhmbs> thanks doctormo !! | |
| [04:28] <palhmbs> trying now... | |
| [04:54] <palhmbs> doctormo, how can I tell which port I'm supposed to use? | |
| [04:54] <palhmbs> or should it be trial and error? | |
| [04:54] <palhmbs> I've tried ttySO | |
| [04:54] <palhmbs> which doesn't work :( | |
| [04:56] <palhmbs> i did notice a 20-wacom.conf file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ | |
| [04:57] <palhmbs> # WALTOP needs a patched kernel driver, that isn't in mainline lk yet | |
| [04:57] <palhmbs> interesting | |
| [05:00] <palhmbs> this is in debian 6 | |
| [05:00] <palhmbs> I'll boot into lubuntu 11.04 and try those instructions out there | |
| [05:00] <palhmbs> bbs | |
| [05:09] <palhmbs> doctormo, no fun :( | |
| [05:14] <palhmbs> fyi - the package i have installed is: xserver-xorg-input-wacom 1:0.10.11-0ubuntu4 | |
| [05:16] <palhmbs> trying ttyS1 now.... | |
| [05:19] <palhmbs> looks like I'll have to down-grade to get wacom linux support. | |
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| [05:53] <doctormo> palhmbs: OK, so that didn't work? | |
| [05:54] <palhmbs> no | |
| [05:54] <palhmbs> I tried both com ports | |
| [05:54] <doctormo> What serial port is your device plugged into? | |
| [05:54] <palhmbs> how do I find that out | |
| [05:54] <palhmbs> ? | |
| [05:54] <palhmbs> I think my mb only supports 1 | |
| [05:55] <doctormo> OK so you have a /dev/ttyS0 Make sure that's a zero and not an Oh | |
| [05:55] <doctormo> Can you also report your xorg log back to me? | |
| [05:57] <palhmbs> ttyS0 - check complete - valid | |
| [05:57] <doctormo> NOTE: Only ISDV4 serial devices (TabletPC's) are currently supported by xf86-input-wacom (Xserver 1.7 or later). A patch set by John Tsiombikas & Sebastian Berthold for the serial tablets needs further development before inclusion into xf86-input-wacom. | |
| [05:57] <doctormo> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=FAQ#Which_devices_are_supported.3F | |
| [05:57] <doctormo> OK that confirms what I know about it, maybe I can patch you up a ppa deb though... | |
| [05:59] <palhmbs> doctormo, -- xorg paste -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/625642/ | |
| [05:59] <palhmbs> would you? - I was just seriously considering installing Ubuntu 9.10.... | |
| [06:00] <palhmbs> I'd be eternally grateful to the you and the ubuntu team!! | |
| [06:01] <doctormo> Heh, don't go heaping praise on the Ubuntu team ;-) I'm just a random programmer and artist. | |
| [06:09] <doctormo> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=isoeic%24cum%241%40dough.gmane.org&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss | |
| [06:09] <doctormo> So. from what I can tell. | |
| [06:09] <doctormo> There are a bunch of non developers who have serial wacoms | |
| [06:09] <doctormo> Very few programmers do | |
| [06:10] <doctormo> So there are multiple patches all over the place to get it working with specific versions of the xinput wacom driver. | |
| [06:10] <doctormo> You might have to go on an adventure. | |
| [06:11] <palhmbs> o.O | |
| [06:11] <palhmbs> sounds fun | |
| [06:11] <palhmbs> unfortunately, I've got even less time now for such a frolic | |
| [06:12] <doctormo> Yeah, it's a hard one. The wacom project is starving, much like most foss projects. | |
| [06:13] <palhmbs> $$ | |
| [06:13] <palhmbs> but everybody loves free | |
| [06:13] <palhmbs> just not enought to monetarily support it enough | |
| [06:13] <palhmbs> s/enought/enough/ | |
| [06:15] <palhmbs> if only this would work in lubuntu 11.04 -- http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=104309 | |
| [06:19] <doctormo> It doesn't work on ubuntu 11.04 either | |
| [06:19] <doctormo> Not that it would help you anyway | |
| [06:20] <palhmbs> dammit, I wish I could code python better than I do | |
| [06:21] <palhmbs> I would consider hacking up some support in these myself!! | |
| [06:21] <doctormo> It's all C code anyway, what would a python script be able to do? | |
| [06:21] <palhmbs> :-o | |
| [06:21] <palhmbs> er yeah - /facepalm | |
| [06:21] <doctormo> (the wacom driver, not the utill) | |
| [06:22] <doctormo> Although the C code doesn't look hard, it's just missing a developer who actually had one of the devices. | |
| [06:23] <doctormo> I find it funny that I manage the wizardpen driver ppa and yet I don't own one. Dumb luck that a roving developer pops by each release to fix it for me. random! | |
| [06:25] <palhmbs> doctormo, I think the best and easiest option for me & you and everybody else is to buy a USB adaptor. | |
| [06:26] <palhmbs> :P | |
| [06:26] <palhmbs> which I will go ahead and do shortly | |
| [06:26] <doctormo> Yes, if that works, let me know and I will change my default recommendation to that. | |
| [06:26] <palhmbs> I can wait, at least we know that it'll work on USB. | |
| [06:26] <palhmbs> afaict | |
| [06:58] <Islington> my wrist is starting to hurt | |
| [06:58] <Islington> :( | |
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| [13:40] <coz_> hey guys | |
| [13:55] <hbons> where can i find guidelines on making monochrome icons for the unity panel? | |
| [14:25] <coz_> hbons, good question,,, not sure but they do appear to be similar to faenza icons | |
| [14:28] <hbons> coz_: that's good, but they don't really have a style description either :) | |
| [14:29] <Islington> what was the question? | |
| [14:29] <coz_> hbons, yeah ,, not sure ,, exactly,, however you could try asking in #ayatana channel,,, that is the development channel for Unity | |
| [14:29] <hbons> yea, i did yesterday, but got no reply | |
| [14:29] <Islington> hbons: what was the question? | |
| [14:30] <coz_> hbons, ") not completely surprised | |
| [14:30] <hbons> Islington: i'm trying to find guidelines for the mono style icons | |
| [14:30] <Islington> ooh hold on they are in the wiki somewhere iirc | |
| [14:30] <hbons> oh | |
| [14:32] <Islington> ping vish dashua Icon question yo | |
| [14:33] <vish> hbons: nah, there is no wiki guidelines, basically you can loook at the svg and figure out the colors | |
| [14:33] <vish> rather guidelines on wki | |
| [14:33] <hbons> that's a bit lame... | |
| [14:33] <vish> bah! wiki* | |
| [14:33] <hbons> and sizes? | |
| [14:34] <hbons> where do i install them? | |
| [14:34] <vish> hbons: 22px are used in the panel | |
| [14:34] <coz_> hbons, well inkscape will automatically open the icon in the size they were created in | |
| [14:34] <hbons> vish: ok, you know gnome is deprecating that size? | |
| [14:34] <vish> hbons: yea :) | |
| [14:34] <hbons> good :) | |
| [14:35] <vish> hbons: anyway you guys dont consider anything Ayatana Gnome.. ;) | |
| [14:35] <hbons> ok, thanks people :) | |
| [14:35] <Islington> vish hbons https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/HumanityIcons/Guidelines#Panel%20Icons | |
| [14:36] <vish> Islington: thats what *i* did for Humanity , hbons is asking about ubuntu-mono | |
| [14:36] <hbons> vish: well, it would be easier for everyone to just have to maintain one icon size for it | |
| [14:36] <hbons> and it's a bit silly that two kinds of status icons have to be maintained at the moment... | |
| [14:37] <vish> :) | |
| [14:37] <Islington> if its at 22px technically you could force kde to use them as well | |
| [14:37] <hbons> but i don't make the decision on that, but i would like to make theming issues better. i just installed ubuntu and was kind of shocked how that stuff is done :) | |
| [14:38] <coz_> hbons, my guess is that will be worked out by 12.04 hopefully sooner | |
| [14:38] <vish> hbons: symbolic icon support just landed with GNOME3 so stuff might change, but since we cant do that in GNOME2 we did it as 2 themes | |
| [14:38] <hbons> Islington: yea, but 22x22 doesn't make sense as a size anyway | |
| [14:38] <hbons> (sticking to multiples of 8) | |
| [14:39] <hbons> vish: yea, that would be good, it's a huge hack right now | |
| [14:39] <coz_> hbons, multiples of 8 ? | |
| [14:39] <vish> 16, 24, 32, 48 | |
| [14:39] <coz_> hbons, 24..32..40? | |
| [14:40] <Islington> hbons: wasnt there a big thingie with 24 vs 22 a while back? | |
| [14:40] <hbons> Islington: not sure | |
| [14:40] <coz_> multiples of 8 would lead to an icons size of 32 .. 40 ...yes? | |
| [14:40] <hbons> but the end result is the same artwork wise anyway, just with different padding | |
| [14:40] <hbons> coz_: we don't have 40 | |
| [14:41] <coz_> hbons, I realize that but multiples of 8 would asume 32 ..40 | |
| [14:41] <hbons> no, it doesn't have to follow each ste | |
| [14:41] <hbons> step | |
| [14:43] <hbons> but 32 is 2x16, 48 2x16 etc | |
| [14:43] <hbons> eh 2x24 | |
| [14:43] <coz_> :) | |
| [14:44] <hbons> there's also 64 and 128, 256 for hires | |
| [14:44] <vish> hbons: what did you mean by » http://twitter.com/#!/hbons/status/80006110882435072 ? | |
| [14:44] <coz_> I prefer working in 256 in inkscape and reducing it when finished | |
| [14:45] <hbons> vish: refering to the mono icon theme on top of a 'normal' theme to make things work | |
| [14:45] <vish> hbons: the two themes or anything else? most of the hacks there are mine more due to not having symbolic icon support :D | |
| [14:45] <hbons> and the tarball basically extrated in the icons direcotory, which is messy | |
| [14:45] <hbons> vish: i know :) | |
| [14:47] <coz_> my only question is why unity's ccsm is still using that damn purple icon instead of the one originally designed for it,, the only answer I got was " Unity is a project" | |
| [14:47] <hbons> hehe | |
| [14:47] <vish> coz_: i think it was a MarkDecision™ ;) | |
| [14:47] <hbons> vish: hacks are attractive in the short term, but cause a lot if pain longterm :) | |
| [14:47] <coz_> vish, oh? another bad one | |
| [14:48] <vish> hbons: agreed, but folks wanted them right now 3-4 cycles back, and who would have hacked the symbolic support, I'm not a hacker ;) | |
| [14:49] <hbons> canonical should have dedicated someone to it | |
| [14:49] <hbons> cause now everyone will have to port their icons icon when gnome 3 symbolc lands | |
| [14:49] <hbons> s/icon/again | |
| [14:50] <Islington> hbons: they could go deeper into the rabbit hell and symlink | |
| [14:51] <hbons> Islington: are you islingt0ner on twitter? | |
| [14:51] <coz_> hbons, you didnt know that "grapics" of any kind are considered the "fun" part of a project ? :) | |
| [14:51] <Islington> yes | |
| [14:51] <vish> hbons: i mentioned this a while back itself when having the panel icons named -panel and to instead use -symbolic names; but they just told we can change names later | |
| [14:51] <hbons> Islington: ah cool :) | |
| [14:52] <vish> hbons: back when humanity introduced the monochrome itself.. | |
| [14:52] <coz_> graphics | |
| [14:53] <hbons> vish: ah, and the official suffix is -symbolic now? to be installed in hicolor? | |
| [14:53] <vish> hbons: afaik, the indicator hasnt yet been changed to use -symbolic names and not sure it supports it yet | |
| [14:54] <vish> hbons: GNOME3/GTK3 has only started landing.. i need to upgrade and do it later in the cycle when stuff is stable | |
| [14:54] <hbons> ok, so i'll just add whatever suffix and refer to that? | |
| [14:54] <vish> hbons: yea | |
| [14:55] <hbons> vish: ok cool, sorry to be a bit too harsh, i see that they're not telling you a lot :) | |
| [14:55] <vish> :) | |
| [14:56] <Islington> welcome to our world | |
| [14:56] <hbons> there's always a place for you in #gnome-design ey ;) | |
| [14:56] <vish> hbons: its a bit of a communications hell at times; cause stuff might change any moment and nothing is official until it is really official ;) | |
| [14:58] <hbons> vish: yea, are there any other canonical design team members that work in the open except mpt and ivanka (who's now left)? | |
| [14:59] <vish> hbons: i thing you reached the end of the list there.. ;) | |
| [14:59] <vish> think* | |
| [15:00] <thorwil> *sneef* | |
| [15:00] <hbons> :( | |
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