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From: [email protected] Subject: LCIII & MIDI Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.135945U56149 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 11 Does anyone have any experience using LCIII with MIDI? Do they get along OK? I have heard that the IIvx is not suitable for MIDI, but I have not heard anyon e say anything definitive about LCIII and MIDI? If you have had experience, wh at MIDI interface have you used? Anyone used Finale software in this setting? Please e-mail. I will summarize. Thanks, Jerry Bartlett Peoria, Illinios [email protected]

From: [email protected] Subject: Lunar Colony Race! By 2005 or 2010? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr20.234427.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Okay here is what I have so far: Have a group (any size, preferibly small, but?) send a human being to the moon, set up a habitate and have the human(s) spend one earth year on the moon. Does that mean no resupply or ?? Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. Contest open to different classes of participants. New Mexico State has semi-challenged University of Alaska (any branch) to put a team together and to do it.. Any other University/College/Institute of Higher Learning wish to make a counter challenge or challenge another school? Say it here. I like the idea of having atleast a russian team. Some prefer using new technology, others old or .. The basic idea of the New Moon Race is like the Solar Car Race acrossed Australia.. Atleast in that basic vein of endevour.. Any other suggestions? == Michael Adams, [email protected] -- I'm not high, just jacked

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Macalester College Lines: 100 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It That's okay: it's what all the rest of them who come on here say... > makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, > lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he > writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, > in the process he became a Christian himself. This isn't the guy who was a lawyer was he? Could you give more info on this guy (never mind- I'm sure there will be PLENTY of responses to this post, and it will appear there) > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether > Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a > different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what > others have to say. This is true. Make sure it is true for ALL cases. > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a Why not both? ;) > modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would > die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? Why not die for a lie? If you were poverty stricken and alunatic, sounds perfecetly reasoable to me. As to whether the societal dregs he had for followers would be able to tell if he was a liar or not, not necessarily. Even if he died for what he believed in, this still makes him completely selfish. Like us all. So what's the difference. People > gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing > someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did > heal people. There is no historical proof of this (see earlier threads). Besides, he (or at least his name), have been the cause of enough deaths to make up for whatever healing he gave. > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn > to someone who was crazy. SIEG HEIL!! >Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example > anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see > this right away. > Who is David Koresh? I am curious. Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the > real thing. How does this follow? Your definition of lunatic (and "disproof" thereof seem rather... uhhh.. SHAKY) > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in > the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal > and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I > write I will use it. Good idea. > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It > is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Naturally, those or not TRUE Christians, right? ;) > Rather I think it > should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's > sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the > same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives > over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a > real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But > just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes > time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. > It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in > a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this > time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be > carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for > ourselves. Someone else handle this, I don't know if it's worth it... *sigh* ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper "Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * who thought themselves good simply because * * [email protected] they had no claws." * ********************************************************************************

From: [email protected] (Bill Claussen) Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 5 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcspe17.col.hp.com Report them to your local BBB (Better Business Bureau). Bill Claussen

From: [email protected] (Peter Vestman) Subject: 768x1024 Trident Driver Wanted! Keywords: Trident Driver Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden Lines: 12 Is there a 768x1024 Trident driver for windows anywere. This mode is supported by the drivers fo OS/2 but I have not been able to find it for Windows. (768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768) Any help is appreciated. --------------------------------- Peter Vestman Dep of Computing Science University of Umea, Sweden

From: [email protected] (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Peace talks ... Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 23 From Israeline 4/14 Today's MA'ARIV reports that yesterday, following Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's meeting with PLO Chief Yasser Arafat and prominent Palestinian Faisal al-Husseini, the latter said that in principle, the Palestinians have decided to participate in the peace talks. Nonetheless, he noted that everything will be decided upon at the meeting of the Arab foreign ministers in Damascus. The newspaper also reports that threatening phone calls were recently made to houses of several of the senior members of the Palestinian delegation to the peace talks. The threats, in Arabic, demanded that the delegates not go to Washington to, "sell out the Palestinian people." One caller threatened, "Should you go, you will not find your family alive upon your return." The newspaper states that such phone calls were received, as far as is known, at the houses of Faisal al-Husseini, Hanan Ashrawi and others. ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: [email protected] | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 "Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."

From: [email protected] Subject: Mazda GLC for Sale. Lines: 5 Want to sell a 1980 MAZDA GLC for $300 or b.o. Excellent working condition. Just passed inspection. Has a sun roof. No marks on body. Contact soon [email protected] or (413_549-4738. kohli

From: [email protected] (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Questioning Authority Lines: 60 Despite my trendy, liberal, feminist tendencies and the fact that I basically agree with what you are saying I will rebut: (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: > (Chris Mussack) writes: > > For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? > ... > Authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things. People who "just > follow orders" have tortured and killed others in very large numbers, > and protest their innocence afterwards. The basic question here is "how do I know what I am supposed to do?" This is true in every situation that comes up. Some people do not think about it at all and merely follow their impulses. I claim that is just as dangerous as "following authority". I could site sexually transmitted diseases, drug abuse, all manner of criminal activity, the savings and loan scandal, car accidents, eggs thrown at my house, all are examples of people not "following authority". I could easily argue that in the evil examples you gave the problem was a leader not following _his_ authority and doing what he wanted. Of course, where is the top of the chain? Therein lies our search. > When your authority starts telling you to do things, you should ask > questions. Except for situations of pressing need ("I said shut the > hatch because the submarine is filling with water!"), any reasonable > authority should be able to give at least some justification that you > can understand. I don't think it's as simple as you are claiming. "Pressing need" is ambiguous. Should I recycle or not? Realize that I have four kids who, despite being very precocious of course, are very tiring with their constant lack of understanding the tremendous knowledge I wish to impart to them. > Just be sure to listen when authority answers. Ahh! An ironic ending. The irony I was implying in my initial pithy retort to the bumper sticker cliche "Question Authority" was that I was questioning the authority of the person telling me to question authority. It seems there is a certain segment of society that finds meaning only in being different, only in rebelling, forsaking everything for the sake of freedom. I question their integrity and fortitude. There is another freedom that comes from doing a task correctly. Different people are at different levels of development in different areas. Part of the challenge of life is to find the right authorities to follow, we can't know everything about everything. Often when learning a new skill or subject I will follow the teacher, perhaps blindly. Only when I have learned enough to ask appropriate questions should I question him, only when I have developed my skills enough should I challenge him. Once again, how do I know when I get to those stages? If you have to be told to question authority, perhaps you shouldn't. Chris Mussack (A good comedian should never have to explain his jokes.)

From: [email protected] (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: harrassed at work, could use some prayers Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 22 i'd just like to repeat and emphasize that because someone else is trying to make you feel horrible and worthless does not mean that you should feel that way, although that's easier to say than believe sometimes. remember, God made you and loves you, so he must think you're something special. (excuse the trite language here.) also, the bully may just be someone who is mean for no reason -- not out of intentional mental torture. has anyone else been harassed? maybe they're just not talking about it. i would have emailed but my reactions weren't fast enough and the post i'm responding to didn't include your address. just take courage and remember that all of us on the net are rooting for you. take care! vera _______________________________________________________________________________ Hand over hand [email protected] Doesn't seem so much (Vera Noyes) Hand over hand Is the strength of the common touch drop me a line if you're in the mood - Rush, "Hand Over Fist" _______________________________________________________________________________

From: (Sean Garrison) Subject: Re: WFAN Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale University Lines: 11 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Robert C Hite) wrote: > WIP took two of your > best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. DUDE! Are you nuts? WFAN is second to none. Jody Mac's exit was quite a loss, but if you think Fredericks On The FAN was much of one, you're pretty skewed. Ñ Sean

From: [email protected] (Christy) Subject: X11R5 and Gateway2000 Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 15 Hi, I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my graphics card and monitor. I have a 15" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. Any help will be extremely appreciated. Thanks in advance. Please send replies to [email protected] Christy

From: [email protected] (Amy Mossman) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: CEA Lines: 31 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mania.cea.berkeley.edu In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Doug Bank) writes: |> |> Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to |> try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a |> girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant |> syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different |> dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went |> home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. |> I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in |> my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm |> not allergic to anything that I know of. |> |> Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am |> physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is* |> a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer |> through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG. |> I haven't gotten sick yet. |> |> -- I had a similar reaction to Chinese food but came to a completly different conclusion. I've eaten Chinese food for ages and never had problems. I went with some Chinese Malaysian friends to a swanky Chinses rest. and they ordered lots of stuff I had never seen before. The only thing I can remember of that meal was the first course, scallops served in the shell with a soy-type sauce. I thought, "Well, I've only had scallops once and I was sick after but that could have been a coincidence". That night as I sat on the bathroom floor, sweating and emptying my stomach the hard way, I decided I would never touch another scallop. I may not be allergic but I don't want to take the chance. Amy Mossman

From: [email protected] (Yong Je Lim) Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The dealer never told me anything about that important story. I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks. [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Andrew Infante) Subject: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I called around to more places and got quotes for less than 600 and 425. Liability only, of course. Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all. So I won't go with the first place I called, that's fer sure. -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! |

From: [email protected] (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: note to Bobby M. Lines: 52 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 52 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark McCullough) writes: >From: [email protected] (Mark McCullough) >Subject: Re: note to Bobby M. >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:09:04 GMT >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Fred Rice) writes: >>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >> >>>Mark, how much do you *REALLY* know about vegetarian diets? >>>The problem is not "some" B-vitamins, it's balancing proteins. >>>There is also one vitamin that cannot be obtained from non-animal >>>products, and this is only of concern to VEGANS, who eat no >>>meat, dairy, or eggs. I believe it is B12, and it is the only >>>problem. Supplements are available for vegans; yes, the B12 >>>does come from animal by-products. If you are on an ovo-lacto >>>vegetarian diet (eat dairy and eggs) this is not an issue. > >I didn't see the original posting, but... >Yes, I do know about vegetarian diets, considering that several of my >close friends are devout vegetarians, and have to take vitamin supplements. >B12 was one of the ones I was thinking of, it has been a long time since >I read the article I once saw talking about the special dietary needs >of vegetarians so I didn't quote full numbers. (Considering how nice >this place is. ;) > >>B12 can also come from whole-grain rice, I understand. Some brands here >>in Australia (and other places too, I'm sure) get the B12 in the B12 >>tablets from whole-grain rice. > >Are you sure those aren't an enriched type? I know it is basically >rice and soybeans to get almost everything you need, but I hadn't heard >of any rice having B12. > >>Just thought I'd contribute on a different issue from the norm :) > >You should have contributed to the programming thread earlier. :) > >> Fred Rice >> [email protected] > >M^2 > If one is a vegan (a vegetarian taht eats no animal products at at i.e eggs, milk, cheese, etc., after about 3 years of a vegan diet, you need to start taking B12 supplements because b12 is found only in animals.) Acutally our bodies make B12, I think, but our bodies use up our own B12 after 2 or 3 years. Lacto-oveo vegetarians, like myself, still get B12 through milk products and eggs, so we don't need supplements. And If anyone knows more, PLEASE post it. I'm nearly contridicting myself with the mish-mash of knowledge I've gleaned. Tammy

From: [email protected] (Doug Parsons) Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 10 FOMBARON marc ([email protected]) wrote: : Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? : Thank you for helping No. As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some of the defaults have changed slightly. I'll look when I get home and let you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading. douginoz

From: [email protected] (James Sledd) Subject: Afterlife Organization: Social Science Computing Lines: 23 Here is another way of looking at it. When we die we are released from the arc of time, and able to comprehend our lives in toto. To visit each moment in time sequentially or all at once, but not able to alter the actions thoughts or feelings we had/have/will have in this life. From that perspective, I posit that all will have direct knowledge of God, and be able to recognize at each moment of time wether we were doing what we ought. That the experience of having lived a life far from God will be an eternal torment. That having lived a life of grace, will be an eternal joy. That the resurrection of the body comes not from any physical reconstitution of our present forms, but knowledge of our present forms by our fully cognizant souls. As an Aside: If we were to be restricted for all time to our present form, would you opt for immortality? James Sledd think in n dimensions & listen for the voice of God

From: [email protected] (Bob McGwier) Subject: Re: Celebrate Liberty! 1993 Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tang.ccr-p.ida.org In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 20:12:35 GMT Rich Thompson posts some blather about the Libertarian Party: >August 30, 31, Sept. 1: Everything You Always Wanted to > Know About Winning Elections, but > Didn't Know Where to Ask! What pray tell do the Libertarians know about winning elections? Bob -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert W. McGwier | [email protected] Center for Communications Research | Interests: amateur radio, astronomy,golf Princeton, N.J. 08520 | Asst Scoutmaster Troop 5700, Hightstown

From: [email protected] (Ron Baalke) Subject: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 68 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 From the "JPL Universe" April 23, 1993 Cosmologist Stephen Hawking tours Lab By Karre Marino Some 15 years after his first visit to JPL, Prof. Stephen Hawking, Lucasian professor of mathematics at Cambridge University and author of "A Brief History of Time," returned to the Lab April 5. On a tour hosted by JPL Chief Scientist Dr. Moustafa Chahine and Merle McKenzie, manager of the International Affairs Office, Hawking visited a variety of facilities, met with Lab Director Dr. Edward Stone and various project scientists and managers, and felt "like royalty," he said. Hawking, whose theories attempt to explain the origin of distant galaxies, black holes and alternate dimensions, wanted to re-visit JPL, he explained, "because while I'm most interested in those things in space that are farther away, I know that here is where the first steps are taken." Hawking, who was accompanied by his family, two graduate students and his aides, began the tour in von Karman Auditorium, as David Evans, deputy assistant Lab director in the Office of Flight Projects, and Dr. Arden Albee, Mars Observer's project scientist, briefed him on current and past flight projects. Voyager was pointed out to him, with special attention paid to a gold plate with a series of engraved images. Should extraterrestrial life stumble upon the spacecraft, Evans noted, they would find a variety of images that would explain something of Earth. The professor asked if we were still communicating with the spacecraft, and Evans affirmed that we are. Using a model of Mars Observer, Albee spent several minutes describing the project and the spacecraft's features. In answer to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, "it's only a concept." Chahine, who had met Hawking at Caltech about five years before, described the professor as "a living miracle of the power of the brain. He's miraculous, and he has such a good sense of humor." The next stop, a demonstration on scientific data visualization in Section 384's Digital Image Animation Lab, entertained and delighted the group, as everyone donned goggles to view 3-D images of Mars. Project Scientist Dr. Eric De Jong showed off the latest data -- a comet that had only recently been discovered in orbit close to Jupiter. Hawking was curious about its composition, and as he was shown how images are developed, he asked several questions on their interpretation. Norman Haynes, ALD, Office of Telecommunications and Data Acquisition, briefed the professor on the Space Flight Operations Facility, and then Hawking spoke with Stone. The day ended with two technical discussions of particular interest to the professor. Technical Group Leader Dr. Frank Estabrook and Senior Research Scientist Hugo Wahlquist described a three-spacecraft gravity wave experiment, currently under way. Then planetary astronomer Dr. Richard Terrile explained the philosophy and plans for extra solar system planetary detection. The Hawking party, which had been visiting Southern California for five weeks, was headquartered at Caltech, and planned to leave for England within a few weeks after the Lab tour. Upon departing, the Cambridge-based scientist promised Chahine that he would return to JPL for another visit. ### ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | [email protected] | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.

From: [email protected] (Richard John Rauser) Subject: Re: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 25 [email protected] (Dean Pereira) writes: > With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the >cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is >trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. > They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey >Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was >rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21 >years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some >good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem >winning in May. I agree. I also think Roy needs a good kick sometimes...that horrible 4-0 loss to the Capitals last week...yeeeech! Here's to Cup #23...this year! -- Richard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you're doing." [email protected] "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional WNI outlaws - we do this for a living." ----------------- "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai

From: [email protected] (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > This is an all-point team for the Canadian NHLers who are not playoff bound... CENTERS [...] > Geoff Sanderson, Hartford [...] Sanderson will be on Team Canada, but he'd be out of position as a center. Although he was drafted as a center and played there as a rookie, Sanderson scored 46 goals this season as a left wing. -SG

From: [email protected] (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu [email protected] (Jon Livesey) writes: >>>Explain to me >>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. >>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... >Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there >would be nothing voluntary about it. See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant if it is "voluntary." Why do you think this? And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts. >>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other >>beings mimics theirs? >You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the >same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying "Pretty Polly" >isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly. You are attaching too many things to the term "moral," I think. Let's try this: is it "good" that animals of the same species don't kill each other. Or, do you think this is right? Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do is either right nor wrong? >>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but >>they don't. >They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly >this, but you seem to have a very short memory. Those weren't arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some sort of mating ritual or whatnot. >>Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because >>most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? >I'm saying: > "There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not > just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives." >It's right there in the posting you are replying to. Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions. What do you mean by "consider?" Can a small child be moral? How about a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does the being need to be self aware? What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don't you find the fact that they don't at all significant? keith

From: [email protected] (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 19 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Balaji V. Ramanathan) writes: > The part about spending $5000-7000 on repairs reminds me >of an article I read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs >of a Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus or something like that. The result, >which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the >end of the period. That was their argument to prove that you don't go >wrong buying the Ford Taurus over the Camry. > > Now, if I remember correctly, the Camry costs about $4000 or so more >in initial costs. Essentially, it means that you spend about $4000 extra >on repairs on the Taurus. That is ridiculous. Every time your car >needs repairs, it is extra hassles, loss of time and a dozen other things. >I would much rather spend $5000 more in initial costs than spend $4000 more >in repair costs. did you account for depreciation? i seriously doubt that a taurus would rack up an extra $4000 in repair costs over 5 years. -teddy

From: [email protected] (zhang chenmin) Subject: Cheap airline ticket to L.A. wanted Keywords: airline, ticket, wanted Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 7 Cheap airline ticket to L.A. on April. 21 (tuesday) from Indi. or Chicago and return about in 10 - 14 days wanted. Please phone (317) - 743 - 6985 or mail to [email protected]

From: [email protected] (John Edmond Auckett) Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes Article-I.D.: escargot.1qogjaINN41f Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Dogs will chase anything that moves. I have two dogs and they love chasing me when I ride off. They will also chase any car that passes , running along the footpath/sidewalk at up to 60kph. They don't seem to go after trucks though, the size difference must be a factor. It also works in my favour though, I can exercise them quite easily by riding 1/2 mile up the road and back a few times. JA ([email protected])

From: [email protected] Subject: FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Reply-To: [email protected] Distribution: world Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146) Lines: 9 Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Could anyone please repost it or email to me, if I missed it? Thanks in advance. ... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: [email protected]; FidoNet: 1:2603/106 --- þ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 þ

From: [email protected] (Oleg Roytburd) Subject: HP 2623A graphics terminal emulators Summary: Need application to emulate HP 2623A graphics terminal on X Keywords: graphics terminal emulator Organization: SDD, COMSAT Labs, Clarksburg, MD Lines: 6 I would be grateful to anyone who knows about an X-windows application that would emulate HP 2623A graphics in a manner similar to the way TEK graphics windows are implemented in xterm. Thanks for you help. -- Oleg Roytburd ([email protected])

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes: > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ho Leung Ng) writes: >> >> When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without >> any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without >> experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change? >> >> Ho Leung Ng >> [email protected] OOPS. My original message died. I'll try again... I always understood (perhaps wrongly...:)) that the bacteria in our digestive tracts help us break down the components of milk. Perhaps the normal flora of the intestine changes as one passes from childhood. Is there a pathologist or microbiologist in the house? Anne-Marie Rousseau e-mail: [email protected] (Please note that these opinions are mine, and only mine.)

From: [email protected] (Mark Dotson) Subject: Fragmentation Organization: Dayton Microcomputer Association; Dayton, Ohio X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 49 The primary problem in human nature is a "fragmentation of being." Humans are in a state of tension, a tension of opposites. Good and evil are the most thought provoking polarities that come to mind. The Bible provides us with many examples of the fragmentation of being. The warring opposites within us are a product of man's rebellion against God, which is described so vividly in the pages of the Scriptures. Man was created with the order to become a god. Those were the words of St. Basil in the fourth century. What he was trying to say was that God created man to be a partaker of the divine nature. In the Eastern Orthodox Church, this is called "theosis," or "deification." One can also say that man was created to be whole, i.e. spirit, soul, and body operating in unison. The story of Adam and Eve is a picture of the archetypal humans before obtaining moral consciousness. Theirs was a harmonious relationship with each other, the world, and the Creator. That innocent harmony was shattered when they disobeyed God, their natural wholeness falling apart into two seemingly irreconcilable halves. Immediately, guilt and fear was manifested in their lives. They become bound to hardship, toil, and suffering. This is symbolized in their exile from the paradisiac state. The beast in the jungle does not possess moral consciousness. If it were to receive this self-awareness, the knowledge of good and evil, its paradisiac state would also be destroyed. Was it the intention of the Creator to leave man in this state of innocence all the days of his existence on earth? Or was the gaining of self-awareness carefully staged by God, who did not desire that His masterpiece, mankind, be a blissful idiot? God must have known that, for mankind to achieve any kind of moral value, he must pass through a confrontation with the opposites. There is no other way to achieve union with God. Jesus Christ is the answer to the problem of the warring polarities. He was the perfectly integrated individual, reconciling the opposites, and making it possible for us to be integrated, i.e. to become God, not in His essence, but in His energies. The opposites is THE Christian problem. The Apostle Paul describes it with the utmost precision in Romans 7:15-24. And he follows with the answer to his dilemma in vs 25. Mark

From: [email protected] (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: IF ONLY HE KNEW Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 [email protected] wrote: : Upon arriving at home, Joseph probably took advantage of Mary...had his way : with her so to speak. Of course, word of this couldn't get around so Mary, : being the highly-religious follower that she was decided "Hey, I'll just say : that GOD impregnated me...no one will ever know!" : : Thus, seen as a trustworthy and honorable soul, she was believed... : : And then came Jesus, the child born from violence. : : : Dave, Can you explain the purpose of your post, I can't imagine what you must have thougt it meant. Bill

From: [email protected] (Andrew E Page) Subject: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 16 I seem to be having some trouble with this... I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to make it wake up with SetWUTime(). I am aware of the error in the header files and IM VI. I am setting the WU time to be about two minutes, then putting the mac to sleep, but it doesn't wakeup at the appointed time.... Does it require a call to SystemTask in order to make sure that everything is setup? -- Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be.

From: [email protected] (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: compartment syndrome - general information, references, etc. Keywords: compartment syndrome, blood clots Reply-To: [email protected] (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Larry Yeagley) writes: >I have an acquaintance who has been diagnosed as having blood clots and >"compartment syndrome". I searched the latest edition of the Columbia medical >encyclopedia and found nothing. Mosby's medical dictionary gives a very brief >description which suggests it's an arterial condition. Can someone point me (an Compartment syndrome occurs when swelling happens in a "compartment" bounded by fascia. The pressure rises in the compartment and blood supply and nerves are compromised. The treatment is to open the compartment surgically. THe most common places for compartment syndromes are the forearm and calf. It is an emergency, since if the pressure is not relieved, stuff will die. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and [email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Help fight the Clinton Administration's invasion of your privacy Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 16 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Casimir J Palowitch) writes: >The Clinton Administration wants to "manage" your use of digital >encryption. This includes a proposal which would limit your use of >encryption to a standard developed by the NSA, the technical details of >which would remain classified with the government. > >This cannot be allowed to happen. > It is a bit unfair to call blame the Clinton Administration alone...this initiative was underway under the Bush Administration...it is basically a bipartisan effort of the establishment Demopublicans and Republicrats...the same bipartisan effort that brought the S&L scandal, and BCCI, etc. Gerald

From: [email protected] (Don Wiggins) Subject: Re: Top Ten Responses to Ed's Top Ten Lists Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs Lines: 16 >>[email protected] (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler) >>so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? "...a la Chrysler"?? Okay kids, to the nearest thousand, how many dollars did the government spend to "bail out" Chrysler? More than zero you say? Bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer. |===========================================================================| |Don Wiggins, German-Irish-American | Success is getting what you want. | | & Lead Scout for the Baby Boomers | Happiness is wanting what you get. | |Internet: [email protected] | -- Brother Dave Gardner | |===========================================================================|

From: [email protected] (whirley) Subject: Oakleys' for sale; items wanted Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 19 Heya all, I've got a pair of Oakley forsale There are frogskins, with aurborn red. THere are no scratches and only used them once or twice last summer. I'm looking for about 25-30 dollars but please give me a bid. I'm am looking for the following items A BUBBLE JET PRINTER that works and is el cheapo... i was looking for a cannon BJ-5 but if u have a bubble jet to sell please tell me. I'm looking to spend about $100 or so. A sound cards (sound blaster compatible). Again I'm looking fer something cheap, such as $50 or so dollars. thanks whirley Address "[email protected]"

From: [email protected] ("Todd Karlin") Subject: New Uniforms Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 22 Usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been incredible. Any thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds. The Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets insgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me a little of the Dodger logo. Many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional. (Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once bright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties. With salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one in the comissioner's office, and inter-league play on the horizon, it's nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be.

From: [email protected] (Adrian Blockley) Subject: integrated cct-type UM82C452L manufac by UMC. Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: essun1.murdoch.edu.au where can I buy 1 or 2 of these chips (pref in Australia)? What is name and address of `UMC'? Dan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Blockley ! I may say something profound Environmental science ! here one day. Murdoch University ! Western Australia, 6153 ! [email protected] ! phone 09-360 2737 ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Elizabeth Willey) Subject: Re: Printing Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: corpus-callosum.mit.edu In-reply-to: "Jack Previdi"'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:02:49 GMT "Jack Previdi" <[email protected]> writes, in reply to Dorothy Heydt reminding us that advertising is not done on Internet: As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial use of Internet is no more. Jack, there is a difference between using the network for commercial purposes and advertising in newsgroups. Business communication is okay. Advertising to hundreds of thousands of users around the planet who have no desire to receive advertising is not okay. Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only by our innate good taste and no have no "administrator" to guide(?) us. I suspect that a site which generated a large volume of material not in anybody's good taste would find itself getting a lot of attention it didn't want. You may belong to the public library, but that doesn't mean you can deface the books, disorder the stacks, or disturb the other patrons. You're constrained by the same rules that the rest of the users (many academic and military, who get irritable about a network for which they pay with tax and grant money carrying private business advertising) follow. There are Secret Masters here, just like everywhere else. They're not as obvious as the ones on Prodigy, but they're here. No doubt at some point the Internet, like everything else, will become grotty enough to carry advertising. At that time I hope it is confined to its own newsgroups and not on discussion groups---like misc.writing. Elizabeth Willey

From: [email protected] (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: erythromycin Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 14 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Fiberman) writes: :Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? : :-fm Not only is it effective, it is in fact the drug of choice for uncomplicated cases of community-acquired penumonia. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer!" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

From: [email protected] (Michael J. Sawicki CTA) Subject: Regal fiberglass parts ?? Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.faa.gov Summary: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? Keywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? I have a 1982 Regal and I am interested in buying a fiberglass hood, trunk, and bumpers for it. Does anybody know of a company who makes fiberglass parts for Regals ?? Thanks in advance, -Mike

From: [email protected] (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 215 This kind of argument cries for a comment... [email protected] wrote: : In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Scott Compton) writes: Jim, you originally wrote: : >>...God did not create : >>disease nor is He responsible for the maladies of newborns. : > : >>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is : >>mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of : >>creationism vs evolutionism, God created the original genetic code : >>perfect and without flaw. : > ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Do you have any evidence for this? If the code was once perfect, and has degraded ever since, we _should_ have some evidence in favour of this statement, shouldn't we? Perhaps the biggest "imperfection" of the code is that it is full of non-coding regions, introns, which are so called because they intervene with the coding regions (exons). An impressive amount of evidence suggests that introns are of very ancient origin; it is likely that early exons represented early protein domains. Is the number of introns decreasing or increasing? It appears that intron loss can occur, and species with common ancestry usually have quite similar exon-intron structure in their genes. On the other hand, the possibility that introns have been inserted later, presents several logical difficulties. Introns are removed by a splicing mechanism - this would have to be present, but unused, if introns are inserted. Moreover, intron insertion would have required _precise_ targeting - random insertion would not be tolerated, since sequences for intron removal (self-splicing of mRNA) are conserved. Besides, transposition of a sequence usually leaves a trace - long terminal repeats and target - site duplications, and these are not found in or near intron sequences. I seriously recommend reading textbooks on molecular biology and genetics before posting "theological arguments" like this. Try Watson's Molecular Biology of the Gene or Darnell, Lodish & Baltimore's Molecular Biology of the Cell for starters. : Remember, the question was posed in a theological context (Why does : God cause disease in newborns?), and my answer is likewise from a : theological perspective -- my own. It is no less valid than a purely : scientific perspective, just different. Scientific perspective is supported by the evidence, whereas theological perspectives often fail to fulfil this criterion. : I think you misread my meaning. I said God made the genetic code perfect, : but that doesn't mean it's perfect now. It has certainly evolved since. For the worse? Would you please cite a few references that support your assertion? Your assertion is less valid than the scientific perspective, unless you support it by some evidence. In fact, it has been claimed that parasites and diseases are perhaps more important than we've thought - for instance, sex might have evolved as defence against parasites. (This view is supported by computer simulations of evolution, eg Tierra.) : Perhaps. I thought it was higher energy rays like X-rays, gamma : rays, and cosmic rays that caused most of the damage. In fact, it is thermal energy that does most of the damage, although it is usually mild and easily fixed by enzymatic action. : Actually, neither of us "knows" what the atmosphere was like at the : time when God created life. According to my recollection, most : biologists do not claim that life began 4 billion years ago -- after : all, that would only be a half billion years or so after the earth : was created. It would still be too primitive to support life. I : seem to remember a figure more like 2.5 to 3 billion years ago for : the origination of life on earth. Anyone with a better estimate? I'd replace "created" with "formed", since there is no need to invoke any creator if the Earth can be formed without one. Most recent estimates of the age of the Earth range between 4.6 - 4.8 billion years, and earliest signs of life (not true fossils, but organic, stromatolite-like layers) date back to 3.5 billion years. This would leave more than billion years for the first cells to evolve. I'm sorry I can't give any references, this is based on the course on evolutionary biochemistry I attended here. : >>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer : >>diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of : >>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the : >>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this. Again, do you _want_ this be true, or do you have any evidence for this supposed "degeneration"? I can understand Scott's reaction: : > Excuse me, but this is so far-fetched that I know you must be : > jesting. Do you know what pathogens are? Do you know what : > Point Mutations are? Do you know that EVERYTHING CAN COME : > ABOUT SPONTANEOUSLY?!!!!! : : In response to your last statement, no, and neither do you. : You may very well believe that and accept it as fact, but you : cannot *know* that. I hope you don't forget this: We have _evidence_ that suggests everything can come about spontaneously. Do you have evidence against this conclusion? In science, one does not have to _believe_ in anything. It is a healthy sign to doubt and disbelieve. But the right path to walk is to take a look at the evidence if you do so, and not to present one's own conclusions prior to this. Theology does not use this method. Therefore, I seriously doubt it could ever come to right conclusions. : >>Human DNA, being more "complex", tends to accumulate errors adversely : >>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the : >>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in : >>causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Hence : >>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial : >>diseases/disorders. You are supposing a purpose, not a valid move. Bacteria and viruses do not exist to cause disease. They are just another manifests of a general principle of evolution - only replication saves replicators from degradiation. We are just an efficient method for our DNA to survive and replicate. The less efficient methods didn't make it to the present. And for the last time. Please present some evidence for your claim that human DNA is degrading through evolutionary processes. Some people have claimed that the opposite is true - we have suppressed our selection, and thus are bound to degrade. I haven't seen much evidence for either claim. : But then I ask, So? Where is this relevant to my discussion in : answering John's question of why? Why are there genetic diseases, : and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require : babies to develop antibodies. Is it God's fault? (the original : question) -- I say no, it is not. Of course, nothing "evil" is god's fault. But your explanation does not work, it fails miserably. : You may be right. But the fact is that you don't know that : Satan is not responsible, and neither do I. : : Suppose that a powerful, evil being like Satan exists. Would it : be inconceivable that he might be responsible for many of the ills : that affect mankind? I don't think so. He could have done a much better Job. (Pun intended.) The problem is, it seems no Satan is necessary to explain any diseases, they are just as inevitable as any product of evolution. : Did I say that? Where? Seems to me like another bad inference. : Actually what you've done is to oversimplify what I said to the : point that your summary of my words takes on a new context. I : never said that people are "meant" (presumably by God) "to be : punished by getting diseases". Why I did say is that free moral : choices have attendent consequences. If mankind chooses to reject : God, as people have done since the beginning, then they should not : expect God to protect them from adverse events in an entropic : universe. I am not expecting this. If god exists, I expect him to leave us alone. I would also like to hear why do you believe your choices are indeed free. This is an interesting philosophical question, and the answer is not as clear-cut as it seems to be. What consequences would you expect from rejecting Allah? : Oh, I admit it's not perfect (yet). But I'm working on it. :) A good library or a bookstore is a good starting point. : What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or the : question to which I provided an answer? Biology and Genetics are : fine subjects and important scientific endeavors. But they explain : *how* God created and set up life processes. They don't explain : the why behind creation, life, or its subsequent evolution. Why is there a "why behind"? And your proposition was something that is not supported by the evidence. This is why we recommend these books. Is there any need to invoke any why behind, a prime mover? Evidence for this? If the whole universe can come into existence without any intervention, as recent cosmological theories (Hawking et al) suggest, why do people still insist on this? : Thanks Scotty, for your fine and sagely advice. But I am : not highly motivated to learn all the nitty-gritty details : of biology and genetics, although I'm sure I'd find it a : fascinating subject. For I realize that the details do : not change the Big Picture, that God created life in the : beginning with the ability to change and adapt to its : environment. I'm sorry, but they do. There is no evidence for your big picture, and no need to create anything that is capable of adaptation. It can come into existence without a Supreme Being. Try reading P.W. Atkins' Creation Revisited (Freeman, 1992). Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game.

From: [email protected] (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very > sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch > Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac > cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, > the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT > Jesus Christ as he claimed. The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself. He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation, and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19 children died, and no God saved them. Kent --- [email protected]. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.

From: [email protected] (Yigal Arens) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute Lines: 184 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of 20 Apr 93 21:38:19 GMT In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Center for Policy Research) writes: > > > > 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of > > individuals which were tried in secret and for which their > > identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are > > state secrets ? > > > Apart from Mordechai Vanunu who had a trial behind closed doors, there > was one other espionage case (the nutty professor at the Nes Ziona > Biological Institute who was a K.G.B. mole) who was tried "in camera". > I wouldn't exactly call it a state secret. The trial was simply tried > behind closed doors. I hate to disappoint you but the United States > has tried a number of espionage cases in camera. At issue was not a trial behind closed doors, but arrest, trial and imprisonment in complete secrecy. This was appraently attempted in the case of Vanunu and failed. It has happened before, and there is reason to believe it still goes on. Read this: From Ma'ariv, February 18 (possibly 28), 1992 PUBLICATION BAN The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. By Baruch Me'iri All those involved in this matter politely refused my request, one way or another: "Look, the subject is too delicate. If I comment on it, I will be implicitly admitting that it is true; If I mention a specific case, even hint at it, I might be guilty of making public something which may legally not be published". The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. More precisely: A court ordered publication ban was placed on the fact of their arrest, and later on their imprisonment. In Israel of 1993, citizens are imprisoned without us, the citizens of this country, knowing anything about it. Not knowing anything about the fact that one person or another were tried and thrown in prison, for security offenses, in complete secrecy. In the distant past -- for example during the days of the [Lavon - YA] affair -- we heard about "the third man" being in prison. But many years have passed since then, and what existed then can today no longer be found even in South American countries, or in the former Communist countries. But it appears that this is still possible in Israel of 1993. The Chair of the Knesset Committee on Law, the Constitution and Justice, MK David Zucker, sent a letter on this subject early this week to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, and the Cabinet Legal Advisor. Ma'ariv has obtained the content of the letter: "During the past several years a number of Israeli citizens have been imprisoned for various periods for security offenses. In some of these cases a legal publication ban was imposed not only on the specifics of the crimes for which the prisoners were convicted, but even on the mere fact of their imprisonment. In those cases, after being legally convicted, the prisoners spend their term in prison without public awareness either of the imprisonment or of the prisoner", asserts MK Zucker. On the other hand Zucker agrees in his letter that, "There is absolutely no question that it is possible, and in some cases it is imperative, that a publication ban be imposed on the specifics of security offenses and the course of trials. But even in such cases the Court must weigh carefully and deliberately the circumstances under which a trial will not be held in public. "However, one must ask whether the imposition of a publication ban on the mere fact of a person's arrest, and on the name of a person sentenced to prison, is justified and appropriate in the State of Israel. The principle of public trial and the right of the public to know are not consistent with the disappearance of a person from public sight and his descent into the abyss of prison." Zucker thus decided to turn to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice and the Cabinet Legal Advisor and request that they consider the question. "The State of Israel is strong enough to withstand the cost incurred by abiding by the principle of public punishment. The State of Israel cannot be allowed to have prisoners whose detention and its cause is kept secret", wrote Zucker. The legal counsel of the Civil Rights Union, Attorney Mordechai Shiffman said that, "We, as the Civil Rights Union, do not know of any cases of security prisoners, Citizens of Israel, who are imprisoned, and whose imprisonment cannot be made public. This is a situation which, if it actually exists, is definitely unhealthy. Just like censorship is an unhealthy matter". "The Union is aware", says Shiffman, "of cases where notification of a suspect's arrest to family members and lawyers is withheld. I am speaking only of several days. I know also of cases where a detainee was not allowed to meet with an attorney -- sometimes for the whole first month of arrest. That is done because of the great secrecy. "The suspect himself, his family, his lawyer -- or even a journalist -- can challenge the publication ban in court. But there are cases where the family members themselves are not interested in publicity. The journalist knows nothing of the arrest, and so almost everyone is happy..." Attorney Yossi Arnon, an official of the Bar, claims that given the laws as they exist in Israel today, a situation where the arrest of a person for security offenses is kept secret is definitely possible. "Nothing is easier. The court orders a publication ban, and that's that. Someone who has committed security offenses can spend long years in prison without us knowing anything about it." -- Do you find this situation acceptable? Attorney Arnon: "Definitely not. We live in a democratic country, and such a state of affairs is impermissible. I am well aware that publication can be damaging -- from the standpoint of security -- but total non-publication, silence, is unacceptable. Consider the trial of Mordechai Vanunu: at least in his case we know that he was charged with aggravated espionage and sentenced to 18 years in prison. The trial was held behind closed doors, nobody knew the details except for those who were authorized to. It is somehow possible to understand, though not to accept, the reasons, but, as I have noted, we at least are aware of his imprisonment." -- Why is the matter actually that serious? Can't we trust the discretion of the court? Attorney Arnon: "The judges have no choice but to trust the presentations made to them. The judges do not have the tools to investigate. This gives the government enormous power, power which they can misuse." -- And what if there really is a security issue? Attorney Arnon: "I am a man of the legal system, not a security expert. Democracy stands in opposition to security. I believe it is possible to publicize the matter of the arrest and the charges -- without entering into detail. We have already seen how the laws concerning publication bans can be misused, in the case of the Rachel Heller murder. A suspect in the murder was held for many months without the matter being made public." Attorney Shiffman, on the other hand, believes that state security can be a legitimate reason for prohibiting publication of a suspect's arrest, or of a convicted criminal's imprisonment. "A healthy situation? Definitely not. But I am aware of the fact that mere publication may be harmful to state security". A different opinion is expressed by attorney Uri Shtendal, former advisor for Arab affairs to Prime Ministers Levi Eshkol and Golda Meir. "Clearly, we are speaking of isolated special cases. Such situations contrast with the principle that a judicial proceeding must be held in public. No doubt this contradicts the principle of freedom of expression. Definitely also to the principle of individual freedom which is also harmed by the prohibition of publication. "Nevertheless", adds Shtendal, "the legislator allowed for the possibility of such a ban, to accommodate special cases where the damage possible as a consequence of publication is greater than that which may follow from an abridgment of the principles I've mentioned. The authority to decide such matters of publication does not rest with the Prime Minister or the security services, but with the court, which we may rest assured will authorize a publication ban only if it has been convinced of its need beyond a shadow of a doubt." Nevertheless, attorney Shtendal agrees: "As a rule, clearly such a phenomenon is undesirable. Such an extreme step must be taken only in the most extreme circumstances." -- Yigal Arens USC/ISI TV made me do it! [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 19 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Fred Rice) writes: >>>"AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE >>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES) >>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE." (Holy Quran 21:33) > >>Hmm. This agrees with the Ptolemic system of the earth at the centre, >>with the planets orbitting round it. So Copernicus and Gallileo were >>wrong after all! > >You haven't read very carefully -- if you look again, you will see that >it doesn't say anything about what is circling what. > Anyway, they are not moving in circles. Nor is there any evidence that everything goes around in a rounded course in a general sense. Wishy- washy statements are not scientific. Benedikt

From: [email protected] (Jeffery Vernon Parks) Subject: Re: Info about New Age! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 1 Suggestion: try "Exposing the New Age" by Douglas Groothuis.

From: [email protected] (Reincarnation of Elvis) Subject: speeding up windows Keywords: speed Lines: 19 I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw my computer "boggs" down and becomes really sluggish! What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? Thanx in advance Derek -- $_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : [email protected] $ $\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ $=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ $ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $

Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: [email protected] (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Lines: 18 I'm looking for a decent Windows news reader. I've given up on winvn 0.76 since it doesn't work very well with the winsock.dll of the IBM TCP/IP for DOS 2.1. What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access our token ring (results in invalid class error :( Bye! Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven E-mail: [email protected] BELGIUM [email protected]

Subject: Re: Looking for a good Spice book From: juhan@piko (Juhan Poldvere) Organization: Tartu University, Department of Chemistry Nntp-Posting-Host: piko.chem.ut.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 17 Lines: 17 In <[email protected]> NEIL B. GANDLER ([email protected]) wrote: :> I am an electrical engineering student and its a must that I get familiar :> with spice. I have been using it and getting used to it but it would :> be great to have a good reference manual that explains everything in an :> organized and concise. I current have "A guide to circuit simulation & :> Analysis using spice". I feel it has the information is just randomly placed :> in the book and its not easy to look up small things when you just :> need a good reference book. I would appreciate any info. Thanks There is a postscript manual at ic.berkeley.edu in pub/spice3/um.3f.ps directory (about 650kbytes, 126 pages). -- Juhan Poeldvere, ES5QX | [email protected] Tartu University, Dept. of Chemistry | fax: 372 (34) 35440 2 Jakobi St., EE-2400, Tartu, Estonia, via Stockholm | voice: 372 (34) 35429

From: [email protected] (Markus Strobl 98121) Subject: Renting from Alamo Nntp-Posting-Host: st83.ericsson.se Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 20 Hello netters! I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days. This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore). They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that, 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he didn't rent it from Alamo. Does anyone have some info on this? Is $225 a rip-off? Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? Is the beretta a good rental car? Thanx Markus

From: [email protected] (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 45 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Singer) writes: > >I don't have a history handy, but I don't recall that the preponderance >of ROY's come from winning teams. In fact, I think team performance is >generally irrelevant, as almost always the most deserving candidate wins. >Am I wrong? Not really, though I wouldn't personally say "the most deserving candidate wins". Rarely does a player win ROY when called up in mid season, and there have been several duds in recent years. But this is more a factor of mediot biases than anything else. (I wonder. If Amaral hits like he is capable of, will he receive ROTY votes? He's only 31, he could have a long career ahead of him! :-) >And he is not necessarily on a losing team. While the Angels' staff >is still very weak, their everyday lineup is doing quite well, thank >you. Snow is playing great. Salmon is learning to make the adjustments. >Easley appears fine, but even if he's not Flora is ready to come up. >Between Gonzales and Gruber they'll manage the hot corner. Polonia >and Curtis are steady and heady. Even Myers and Orton are contributing. > >Personally, I think they can finish over .500 which makes them a >winning team. I think they are a second-division team. They should finish ahead of the Royals, Mariners, and *possibly* Athletics. But I don't think they'll be above .500. (I think the East is stronger this year.) Last year their pitching was bad and their offense was horrible. This year their offense is better, but their pitching is still pretty bad. Even if Finley returns to form, he won't replace what they lost in Abbott. Sanderson? Farrell? I don't believe it. And while their BA may be good, and they have decent speed, their offense lacks punch. They don't have any bona fide power hitters. (Salmon, Snow, Davis, and Curtis? None with more than 20 HR potential.) Cheers, -Valentine P.S. Which AL team had the most steals last week? Those go-go Tigers! The mediots finally managed to convince them that they needed "more balance" in their lineup. You see, they were scoring too many runs too consistently. Gotta run more to break that up.

From: [email protected] (David Shao) Subject: Divorce Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 72 I deleted much of the following article in order to discuss the specific issue of whether it is acceptable to divorce. In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes: > >Along the way, she was married, happily, to a wonderful and >supportive husband and gave birth to two sons. Still, everything was not >perfect for Jane, since she could never open up the deepest part of her >soul to her husband. She always found that she could be much closer to >her women friends than to her husband, as good and loing as a husband as >he might be. She struggled very much with this until at the age of 38, she >decided that she was a lesbian. When she came home to announce this >understanding of herself, her husband told her that he had come to the same >understanding several years before and was waiting for her to come to that >realization in her own time. Her children ages 9 and 11 at the time were >also extremely supportive of her. As the youngest put it, "that just >means that you love people very much." Jane and her husband agreed to >divorce but remain friends and still consider each other as part of the >extended family to this day. >One of the interesting things that Jane said in this whole discussion was >"Homosexuality is not about what goes on in the bedroom." She found that >she was much more able to have a deep, committed relationship with a woman >than a man. Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole relationship. >The key thing is how one interconnects with other people. She made a >specific point to say that it was not that she had never met a good man, >since she was married to a wonderful man for a dozen years. (Take a few >seconds and honestly ponder that thought and it's implications!!!) I have thought about the implications, and it is scary. We have a whole generation of families broken up because some men have decided that is is okay to leave their wives and children for the thrill of a younger, more attractive woman. If we accept that it is legitimate for Jane to have divorced, how can we not accept anyone's decision to divorce because he has found someone with whom he can have a more "deep, committed relationship." Marriage is not a state of being, it is a mutual journey in life. Love is not a passive feeling, it must be actively willed. Is it acceptable for an older executive to dump his wife of many years who stayed home to care for the children because he can't be happy sexually unless he is with a beautiful young blonde? The real solution for both in the couple to make a renewed effort. Hold fast to the faith. Has not the Lord repeatedly compared His relation to His people as a faithful and enduring husband? We learn something very deep and very mystical when we marry and remain faithful through times of trial. My spouse has a brain tumor that has left her partially paralyzed. If it were to resume growing (it is in remission, thanks be to God!) then perhaps the time would come when we could not have sexual relations. That's life...the Lord would certainly not give me permission to seek someone else to satisfy my "needs." The idea that it is alright to divorce if a couple "grows apart" seems to me to lead to such a monstrous destruction of the meaning of marriage that I feel we must make every effort to avoid any hint of compromise. We have become so petty and small-minded that some husbands are threatening to divorce their wives unless the wives lose weight! I praise the Lord for guiding me to marry my wife. She married me anyway despite the possibility that I could have a terrible illness. And it turned out that she was the one with the brain tumor, but had I known I wouldn't have cared either. And maybe I'll be in a car accident tomorrow and become paralyzed from the neck down. A married couple should deal with these situations with the help of the Lord, not divorce and run away from them.

From: [email protected] (D.V.Prakash) Subject: Pointer Feature Summary: Multiple flushing of pointers Keywords: Pointers, Arrows, Cursors Nntp-Posting-Host: gudbransdal.cs.odu.edu Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va Lines: 23 Hi I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib I have multiple windows and all can take input and show output simultaneously on all other displays I want to implement a pointer feature I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able to see it Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed replies will be greatly appreciated Thank you Prakash < [email protected] >

From: [email protected] (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Distribution: na Lines: 11 Though I agree this is not the place to discuss guns, I note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words "well regulated" in their distorted interpretations of the Second Amendment. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted.

From: [email protected] (Jeff Depolo) Subject: Need manual for HP 1740 scope Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu I have a HP 1740 scope that (I think) has a problem in the HV section. Symptom: started turning on and off on its own, making intermittant bright flashes on the CRT, and then finally, passed away. If you have a manual (or any suggestions), please send me mail. Will gladly pay reproduction/shipping costs plus a little $ for your efforts for the manual. Thanks in advance. --- Jeff -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff DePolo WN3A Twisted Pair: (215) 337-7383H 387-3059W [email protected] RF: 443.800+ MHz 442.700+ MHz 24.150 GHz University of Pennsylvania

From: [email protected] (Edward d Nobles) Subject: windows imagine??!! Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 10 Has ANYONE who has ordered the new PC version of Imagine ACTUALLY recieved it yet? I'm just about ready to order but reading posts about people still awaiting delivery are making me a little paranoid. Has anyone actually held this piece of software in their own hands? Later, Jim Nobles

From: [email protected] (Shaen Bernhardt) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 44 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bruce Schneier) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Sternlight) writes: >> >>Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable >>one: Make it voluntary. >> >>That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree >>to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. >> > >As long as "you are on your own" means that you can use your own encryption, >I'm sold. > >Bruce As am I If "high quality secure NSA classified technology" means handing my key over to whomever, I'll take PGP any day. Right now they are billing it as voluntary, i.e. bend over, here it comes. As soon as enough Wiretap chip based units are out there, how much easier do you think it will be to redefine "on your own" to mean write it yourself and don't even THINK about distributing it...? Get honest, no one is going to buy this trash if they KNOW it's compromised already, and less will buy it if the algorithm is not disclosed. The NSA knows that making this stuff available to the public means handing it to whatever foreign powers are interested in the process. Since when has export control stopped anyone (especially software wise) Ask yourself carefully if " high quality secure NSA classified technology " is something they are going to hand out. Not unless you can drive a NSA van through the holes. uni (Dark) -- [email protected] -> Public Keys by finger and/or request Public Key Archives at <[email protected]> DF610670F2467B99 97DE2B5C3749148C Sovereignty is the sign of a brutal past. Cryptography is not a crime. Fight the Big Brother Proposal!

From: [email protected] (Bryan Boreham) Return-Path: <news> Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Nntp-Posting-Host: tweety Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England Lines: 15 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes: > The application creates window with a button "Quit" and "Press me". > The button "Press me" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of > this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the > first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), > it is *much* slower. The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because it thinks the window is already in the right place. Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to me; all information greatly received. Bryan.

From: [email protected] (Warren E. Fridy III) Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions Reply-To: wefiii%[email protected] Organization: Private Lines: 17 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gerry Swetsky) writes: >(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? > I know <CTL><ESC>, <ESC> will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I > can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with <ALT><F1>. You might try the recorder and make a micro. I done that to do certain operations in a windows app that didn't have the ability to use a micro. It should be in the Accessories window. The only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work. But, Good Luck. -- --Warren E. Fridy III 250 61st. Street North | St. Petersburg, FL 33710 | internet: wefiii%[email protected] (813)384-0584 | UUCP: ...palan!deep6!axion!wefiii

From: [email protected] (Staal Amund Vinterbo) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Reply-To: [email protected] (Staal Amund Vinterbo) Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology Lines: 33 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mike Sixsmith) writes: |> |> Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to |> be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering |> theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at |> the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn. |> And that was my original point. |> |> Mike While I agree with you on that formal training is essential for safe riding, I disagree strongly with your original point. The point of formal training must be to prepare riders for the road. Preparedness is in my opinion to know as much as possible. So, to exclude some aspects of riding a bike in a course is wrong IMHO. Now to countersteering in particular. Countersteering is something that must be trained. A common reaction among new bikers (or bicycle riders) in an emergency situation, is to steer the motorcycle like a bicycle. As we know this makes the motorcycle go in the direction opposite to what was intended. Needless to say, this is dangerous. I have a specific example: A rider in a left turn. The rider thinks he/she is to close to the right shoulder of the road, and tries to steer the motorcycle to the left by pulling the left handle and pushing the right handle. The motorcycle straightens up and goes off the road. A worse scenario: The same rider, same turn. In the middle of the turn the rider sees a truck coming towards him/her. The panicking rider tries to steer the motorcycle away from the truck and crashes right into it. The main function of a riding course is to teach how to avoid emergency situations, AND what to do if in one. Thus, the knowledge (and training) of countersteering is IMHO a must in any riding course. -- [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Rob Geraghty) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Article-I.D.: bunyip.C5wwGz.17G Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland Lines: 45 [email protected] (Steve Dyer) writes: >Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again. >Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too! >Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world. >Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless. >I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who >responds to "miracle cures." >Yeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously. >Snort. >Yeah, "it sounds reasonable to me". >Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass. >More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome. >You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused >in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic. >The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks. >The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap >and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any >systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without >any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use >IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve >the "yeast" problem once and for all. >Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating >your symptoms. >Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate >to think my insurance premiums are going towards this. Steve, take a look at what you are saying. I don't see one construvtive word here. If you don't have anything constructive to add, why waste the bandwidth - yeah, sure, flame me for doing it myself. Is this sci.med or alt.flame? Like it or not, medical science does *not* know categorically everything about everything. I'm not flaming your knowledge, just asking you to sit back and ask yourself "what if?" "Minds are like parachutes - they only function when they are open." Oh - and if you *do* want to flame me or anyone else, how about using email? Rob Who doesn't claim any relevant qualifications, just interest -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Geraghty | 3 things are important to me [email protected] | The gift of love, the joy of life CITR | And the making of music in all its forms

From: [email protected] (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) Subject: Satan and MTV Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 25 Somewhere, someone told me that Satan was the angel in charge of music in heaven, and on top of that, he was the most beautiful of the angels. Isn't it funny that these days how MTV has become the "bible" of music and beauty these days. MTV controls what bands are popular, no matter how bad they are. In fact, it is better to be politically correct - like U2, Madonna - than to have any musical talent. Then of course, you have this television station that tells us all how to dress. Think about it, who started the retro-fashion craze?? MTV and Madonna. Gag. Anyway, just food for thought. It is really my own wierd theory. If Revelation was to come true today, I think MTV would the "ever changing waters" (music and fashion world) that the beast would arise from, and Madonna will be the whore of Babylon, riding the beast and drinking the blood of the martyrs. Hmmmm....great idea for a book/movie..... -- Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew [email protected] and their stupid use of foul language because we have ideas. We have a philosophy. Geoff Tate -- Queensryche

From: [email protected] (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: I have seen the lobby, and it is us Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 33 In article <[email protected]> A. Charles Gross <[email protected]> writes: >Certainly, with our way-cool Internet powers of >organization, we can act in the same way, if such action is appropriate. > >As long as we are kept informed of events, anyone on this bboard can make >a call to action. Hopefully, we're a strong enough community to act on >those calls. I realize this is a little optomistic, and I'm glad EFF is >working in the loop on these issues, but don't underestimate the >potential of the net for political action. > >Adam >* I speak for myself I second the motion. All in favor? BTW>> a few days ago, Charles Fee <[email protected]> posted the names, addresses, and phone numbers (voice and fax) of almost all the 103rd congress's members. This info, along witha great number of cabinet men, etc... I captured it, as did many others, I am sure. We should single out a few of the people on the list, and bombard them with lobbying against the Clipper Chip, et al. -nate o---------------------------+======================================o | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | [email protected] | o---------------------------+======================================o

Organization: Queen's University at Kingston From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: ADC card for computer Distribution: world Lines: 54 In article <[email protected]>, you say: > >I would like to digitize the output of a SQUID magnetometer (range -10 V >to +10 V) and do digital signal processing in a computer, say a Macintosh >II or a 486 PC. I would like a good 16 bit ADC with good linearity and a >high conversion speed, at least 50 kHz, preferably 200 kHz. Other concerns > >(2) Must I use an ADC external to my computer to avoid digital noise > feedback into my sensitive SQUID electronics? Might be a good idea... The resolution you requested is about 0.3mV In order to get what you've paid for, noise level better be lower than that. It is kind of hard to do it in a noisy box like you can expect inside a PC. Before you pay $$$ for a PC card, test it out by sampling a low distortion sine wave (I think there is a sine wave on a CD. Digital Domain ? There are possibly other low THD sources) Run the digitized waveform through a FFT transform and take alook at the noise floor on the spectrum. That's should give you a good indication of the design. (That's what I am doing to test a data acquistion system I have designed - I got the idea from MAXIM data sheet.) If you can live with 14 bit resolution, I would recommend looking at the MAX121 from MAXIM. It is a high speed (308KHz) complete sampling A/D with DSP interface. The input range is +/- 5V and it uses a serial interface (which can easily be optically isolated from the computer to elinimate a major noise source) The Analog design guide I got from them shows a -100db noise level. They claim a -77db max (-85 typ.) THD. Looks pretty good for the $12 @ 1000 pieces A evaluation kit is available. Might want to give these nice folks a call. 1-800-998-8800 or fax: (408)737-7194 and (408) 737-7600 ext4000 for application assistance. This assumes that you can build your own DAS and write your own software. (Hey you can get the MAX121 as a free sample just by calling the 1-800 #) >I would appreciate discussion of your personal experience with a Mac or PC- >based ADC system. I would recommend you to find out the resolution that can be gotten out of your system by looking at the noise level, otherwise you might be throwing out your money. >Charles Cunningham >[email protected] K. C. Lee Elec. Eng. Grad. Student I have no connection with MAXIM except I do in general recommend companies that give samples to students to others. I feel they deserve that for being nice to me.

From: [email protected] (carl brenner) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was "What is This [Is it Lyme's?]"] Organization: Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Lines: 50 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gordon Banks) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (carl brenner) writes: > >> see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the > >> those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything. > >> There is a lot of money involved. > > > > You keep bringing this up. But I don't understand what's in it > >financially for the physician to go ahead and treat. Unless the physician > >has an investment in (or is involved in some kickback scheme with) the > >home infusion company, where is the financial gain for the doctor? > > Well, let me put it this way, based on my own experience. A > general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases, > by establishing links to the "Lyme community", treating patients > who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they > have lyme as if they did, saying that diseases such as MS > are probably spirochetal, if not Lyme, giving talks at meetings > of users groups, validating the feelings of even delusional > patients, etc. This GP can go from being a run-of-the-mill > $100K/yr GP to someone with lots of patients in the hospital > and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his > office, and making lots of bread. Also getting the adulation > of many who believe his is their only hope (if not of cure, > then of control) and seeing his name in publications put out > by support groups, etc. This is a definite temptation. Harumph. Getting published in these newsletters is hardly something to aspire to. :-) I can't really argue with your logic, though I think you may be extrapolating a bit recklessly from what appears to be a sample size of one. Even if what you say about this local Pittsburgh guy is true, it is not logical or fair to conclude that this is true of all doctors who treat Lyme disease. By your logic, I could conclude that all of the physicians who consult for insurance companies and make money by denying benefits to Lyme patients are doing it for the money, rather than because they believe they are encouraging good medicine. I have no idea how sincere these guys are, but their motives are as suspect as the physicians you excoriate for what you believe to be indiscriminate treatment. I would really feel more comfortable discussing the medical issues in Lyme, rather than speculating as to the motives of the various parties involved. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and > [email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Brenner

From: [email protected] (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 41 Reply-To: [email protected] (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Kent: With all due respect, how can I take you seriously, when you have the NAMES wrong in the 1st place? E.g.: > >The San Jose RC (Ordo Rosae Crucis) There is no such thing. The correct name is Ancient & Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, abbreviated AMORC. >...and the Rocicrusian >order created by Max Heindel. There is no such thing either. It's the Rosicrucian Fellowship. And they clearly state that they DO NOT pretend to descend from the Order of the Fama Fraternitatis. >In addition there are many splinter groups >all around Europe that all claim some connection with the original >group supposedly founded in the middle ages. The Lectorium? And who else? >Some Freemason groups >also have Rosicrucian-like separate groups, even if they are far >from the ideologies the RC groups have somehow in common. These are NOT Rosicrucian "orders". They are Masonic study groups, none of which *claims* to be descendant of the original Order. > >We might compete about how much time we have spent with this :-). Let >me start, I was part of the ORC for about 8 years. >Kent > What is ORC? If you mean AMORC, you didn't even learn the correct name?! Tony

From: [email protected] (George F. Krumins) Subject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 [email protected] (James B. Reed) writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Henry Spencer) writes: >|> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about >|> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent >|> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible. It's my understanding that the freezing will start to occur because of the growing distance of Pluto and Charon from the Sun, due to it's elliptical orbit. It is not due to shadowing effects. >Where does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block >sunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block >our view of them either. What am I missing? Pluto can shadow Charon, and vice-versa. George Krumins -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | George Krumins | | [email protected] | | Pufferfish Observatory |

From: [email protected] (Mr. Bill) Subject: Re: How Big Is Too Big (was Re: 1st bike) Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe Lines: 42 [email protected](Andy Woodward) writes: azw>Weight and size over rough roads is a definite no-no. If is starts to azw>drift, you aint going to catch it. [email protected] (Mr. Bill) says: mrb>If you're riding hard enough for this to be of concern, then yes, a mrb>lighter bike is more beneficial. [email protected] (Mike Sturdevant) writes: ms>If you're not riding hard enough for this to be a concern, are you ms>having any fun? Sure. I've never been much of a racerboy, as anybody who's attended the Minibike Spectacular can attest. ;^) I get a great deal of satisfaction in riding fast, yet now so fast as to be overly concerned about not being able to maintain a clean line. And while I'm still known to slide the occasional tire, I much prefer to stay just to the sticky side of that line. I've found that I don't heal as well as I used to in days of yore. BTW, how's the knee? mrb>anyway. Am I more likely to catch a 400 than a 250? Not necessarily. mrb>Tires, road surface and rider ability are a much more important criteria. ms>Actually, big horsepower is just as likely to get you out of trouble ms>when it "Starts to Drift" as your puny body mass pushing on stuff. A well ms>placed push from 80 or 90 horsepower can do a lot to straighten or change ms>in a beneficial way the trajectory of the bike/rider system. That's a Quite true. Another plus for a 500+ bike, the original thread, I think. Damn circular threads... ;^) ms>Go fast. Take chances. ms> ms> Mike S. Mr. Bill -- + Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago" + + [email protected] + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" + + DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others + + "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

From: [email protected] (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) Subject: Re: Quick question Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:14:57 GMT In article <foo> [email protected] (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want to access its pins. Why are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw? -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!

From: [email protected] (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 75 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Keywords: Dan Bissell In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: It appears that Walla Walla College will fill the same role in alt.atheist that Allegheny College fills in alt.fan.dan-quayle. > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It >makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, >lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he >writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, >in the process he became a Christian himself. Converts to xtianity have this tendency to excessively darken their pre-xtian past, frequently falsely. Anyone who embarks on an effort to "destroy" xtianity is suffering from deep megalomania, a defect which is not cured by religious conversion. > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether >Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what >others have to say. Different perspective? DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. (sigh!) Perhaps Big J was just mistaken about some of his claims. Perhaps he was normally insightful, but had a few off days. Perhaps many (most?) of the statements attributed to Jesus were not made by him, but were put into his mouth by later authors. Other possibilities abound. Surely, someone seriously examining this question could come up with a decent list of possible alternatives, unless the task is not serious examination of the question (much less "destroying" xtianity) but rather religious salesmanship. > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? How many Germans died for Nazism? How many Russians died in the name of the proletarian dictatorship? How many Americans died to make the world safe for "democracy". What a silly question! >Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did >heal people. Is everyone who performs a healing = God? > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. It's probably hard to "draw" an entire nation to you unless you are crazy. >Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Anyone who is convinced by this laughable logic deserves to be a xtian. > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal >and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I >write I will use it. Don't bother. Many of the "prophecies" were "fulfilled" only in the eyes of xtian apologists, who distort the meaning of Isaiah and other OT books.

From: [email protected] (Joel Reymont) Subject: Motif maling list Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: [email protected] Hi, all! Anyone knows of a Motif mailing list? I don't have access to network news and there is no longer a motif list at alfalfa.com. Thanks, Joel. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Reymont ! Z-Code Software Corporation ! e-mail: [email protected] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4340 Redwood Hwy, Suit B.50, San Rafael, CA 94903 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (James Wang) Subject: Re: What is "ROM accelerated video"? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: web-4f.berkeley.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Erik. A Speckman) writes: >In the MacUser article on the new centris and quadra machines mentioned >that the C650 and the Q800, and not the C610, had ROM accelerated video. > >What is it? I don't recall seeing it in Dale Adams post. of course it was in Dale's post, just not in the words that MacUser used. ROM accelerated video just means that some quickdraw commands has been rewritten (inside the ROM) to take advantage of the 68040 addressing modes. commands that do fills should be slightly faster since the new instructions fetch 2 bytes at a time versus one.

From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[email protected]> Subject: Barasso - the cheap shot master? Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu After watching the Pengiuns all year (and as many other teams as possible), I've really noticed an increase in Tom Barasso's cheap shots this year (and not noticed a corrsponding increase with other goaltenders). I've also noticed that he usually gets away with it. Just as examples last night, I noticed him elbowing Scott Stevens in the head, which basically started the whole shoving match that got Stevens (Scott) and Tocchet 2 minute minors. He also KICKED John McLean. Of course he wasn't called for that. Isn't kicking an automatic match penalty and 10 game suspension? I think Glenn Anderson got one a few years ago for kicking Gaetan Duchesne in the chest. There's no doubt in my mind that Barasso is the dirtiest golatender since Hextall. He's also very good. How about that Tocchet head-butt? Is there an automatic susppension that goes along with a (non-kicking) match penalty? I can't remember anymore. Oh, the playoffs should be fun, Ralph

From: [email protected] (Jim Moore) Subject: RE: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Coastal Systems Station Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >This is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to: >information of MS-Windows... > >In a previous article, [email protected] wrote: >> >> ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >>disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can >>write over the "Licensed to:", but you can't change the name underneth it. I > >I can find it with a HEX editor, although I have not tried to overwrite it. >Are you sure it can't be? You may be mistaken about this. (???) You can change it. As part of a continuously downsizing Government organization, my code (branch) changes about once a year. I just finished changing the registration information using Norton Utilities. I sent the original requester the hex offset into USER.EXE containing the information, and his reply indicated he got several similar answers. And it's not encoded in any way. As for the legality, there's nothing that keeps me from changing the information; it certainly doesn't reach out and alter the serial number printed on the inside of my manual. -- Jim Moore Panama City, FL

From: [email protected] (Dug Smith) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK. Lines: 4 I spoke to a sales dweeb in 3X, a Ducati dealer here in Blighty, and he had nothing good to say about them... it appears they are waaaay underpowered, (basically, it's the 750/900 with a 400cc engine), and there have been some quality problems (rusty _frame_ !!). Save your pennies... buy the 900 :)

From: [email protected] (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Space Station radio commercial Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 13 A brief political/cultural item. Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines. This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project. Didn't catch the advertiser. Guess they're pulling out all the stops. -- Chuck Divine

From: [email protected] (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith Organization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com >> Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from >> bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be >> for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. > Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. > > Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will > die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as > long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few > shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One > assumes they are moving!) A better solution: If the 'bad' people can't be trusted with guns, then lock them or knock them off. Stop punishing good people.

From: [email protected] (Koltovoy Nikolay Alexeevich) Subject: [NEWS]Re:List or image processing systems? Distribution: eunet Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Moscow Scientific Industrial Ass. Spectrum Lines: 137 Moscow Scientific Inductrial Association "Spectrum" offer VIDEOSCAN vision system for PC/AT,wich include software and set of controllers. SOFTWARE For support VIDEOSCAN family program kit was developed. Kit includes more then 200 different functions for image processing. Kit works in the interactive regime, and has include Help for non professional users. There are next possibility: - input frame by any board of VIDEOSCAN family; - read - white image to - from disk; - print image on the printer; - makes arithmetic with 2 frames; - filter image; - work with gistogramme; - edit image. - include users exe modules. CONTROLLER VS9 The function of VS-9 controller is to load TV-images into PC/AT. VS-9 controller allows one to load a fragment of the TV-frame from a field of 724x600 pixels. The clock rate is 14,7 MHz when loading an image with 512 pixel in the line and 7,4 MHz when loading a 256 pixels image. This provides the equal pixel size of input image in both horizontal and vertical directions. The number of gray levels in any input modes is 256. Video signal capture time - 2.5s. CONTROLLER VS52 The purpose of the controller is to enter the TV images into a IBM PC AT or any other machine of that type. The controller was created on the base of modern elements, including user programmable gate arrays. The controller allows to digitize a input signal with different resolutions. Its flexible architecture makes possible to change technical parameters. Instead of TV signal one can process any other analog signal (including signals from slow-speed scanning devices). The controller has the following technical characteristics: - memory volume - from 256 K to 2 Mb ; - resolution when working with standard video signal - from 64x64 to 1024x512 pixels ; - resolution when working in slow input regime - up to 2048x1024 pixels; - video signal capture time - 40 ms. - maximum size of a screen when memory volume is 2Mb - 2048x1024 pixels ; - number of gray level - 256 ; - clock rate for input - up to 30 MHz ; - 4 input video multiplexer ; - input/output lookup table (LUT); - possibility to realize "scroll" and "zoom"; - 8 lines for external synchronization (an input using external controlling signal) ; - electronic adjustment of black and white reference for analog - digital converter; - possibility output image to the color RGB monitor. One can change all listed above functions and parameters of the controller by reprogramming it. IMAGE PROCESSOR VS100 Image processor VS100 allows to digitize and process TV signal in real time. It is possible digitize TV signal with 512*512*8 resolution and realize arithmetic and logic operation with two images. Processor was created on the base of modern elements including user programmable gate arrays and designed as a board for PC. Memory volume allows write to the 256 frames with 512*512*8 format. It is possible to accumulate until 16 images. The processor has the following technical characteristics: - memory volume to 64 Mb; - number of the gray level - 256; - 4 input video multiplexer; - input/output lookup table; - electronic adjustment for black and white ADC reference; - image size from 256*256 to 8192*8192; - possibility color and black / white output; - possibility input from slow-scan video sources.

From: [email protected] (Hung-Jen Chen) Subject: Forsale: Dynakit PAS-2x tube pre-amp Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu Dynakit PAS-2x for sale It's a pure tube pre-amp, using two 12AX7s in phono stage and also two 12AX7s in line stage. One 12x4 is used in power supply. clean in and out neat workmanship works fine with good sound owner's manuel Asking $100 obo plus shipping. Contact Harry if interested. Thanx.

From: [email protected] (Mark Monninger) Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$??? Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: SPS Distribution: usa Lines: 3 You can be sure they wouldn't do it if it wasn't to their advantage. Mark

From: [email protected] (Larry Caldwell) Subject: Re: SUNDAY! THE DAY OF OUR LORD! Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: facman [email protected] (Paul Harvey) writes: >[email protected] (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >>Exactly. Sunday worship is in honor or the *SUN*, not the *SON* of God. > >Same thing, isn't it? It's pronounced the same? What other heavenly >beings are resurrected? The moon? That would by lunacy, at least to a >sunday worshiper. I have heard that the sabbath was originally determined by the phases of the moon, and had elements of moon worship. Early stuff, Egyptian in nature. -- -- Larry Caldwell [email protected] CompuServe 72210,2273 Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Religious wars Organization: BP Research, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 30 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Andrew J Fraser) writes: > "Well you know that religion has caused more wars than > anything else" > It bothers me that I cannot seem to find a satisfactory > response to this. After all if our religion is all about > peace and love why have there been so many religious wars? Of course if this question was asked in a group dealing with economics, the answer would be that the cause of war was economic. My observations over the past 30 years (and not withstanding a little history reading beside) is that while religious differences do play a part in many of the conflicts, so does (unfortunately) race, economics and any other items that identify one group of men as being different from another. If we want to couch the cause of conflict in Christian terms, I would put it while Christ died for our sins, we are yet sinners. While some individuals assume "Christlike" natures, most of us do not even come close. I realize that in many ways this is a trite answer, but I guess that it is my way of rationalizing man's constant (or so it seems) conflict. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Kemp (Somtime Consultant) Internet: [email protected] [email protected]

Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? From: [email protected] (David Fry) Organization: Harvard Math Department Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu Lines: 10 Once, on Jeopardy, the category was "Jewish Sports Heros," believe it or not. The answer was, "This pitcher had four no-hitters with the Dodgers in the 60s." The contestant said, "Who is Hank Aaron?" Alex Trebek said something like, "I don't think Hank Aaron was a pitcher." David Fry [email protected] Division of Applied Sciences [email protected] Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry Cambridge, MA 02138

From: [email protected] (P.VASILION) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 24 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes... >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes: >>Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is >>next? The Mormons or Jews? > >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?) > >Be thankful that the BATF standoff at least got some of the kids out before >the cult committed mass suicide. > Dont you believe that the Branch Davidians committed suicide for one minute. I would not put it past the FBI to lob in some incendiary grenades while they feed your their story. Don't ever ever trust what your wonderful government tells you. Janet Reno and the FBI have the murder of a hundred people on their hands. Hope they can sleep at night.... P.Vasilion, kb2nmv SUNY @ BUFFALO <<STD.DISCLAIMERS>> "All you cult haters happy now? Just hope that your not next."

From: [email protected] (gary korenek) Subject: Re: 80486DX-50 vs 80486DX2-50 Organization: Network Management Technology Inc. Lines: 26 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael Hamilton) writes: >I have definitly seen a >mother board with 2 local bus slots which claimed to be able to >support any CPU, including the DX2/66 and DX50. Can someone throw >some more informed light on this issue? >[...] >Michael Hamilton Some motherboards support VL bus and 50-DX CPU. There is an option (BIOS I think) where additional wait(s) can be added with regard to CPU/VL bus transactions. This slows the CPU down to a rate that gives the VL bus device(s) time to 'do their thing'. These particular wait(s) are applied when the CPU transacts with VL bus device(s). You want to enable these wait(s) only if you are using a 50-DX with VL bus devices. This is from reading my motherboard manual, and these are my interpre- tations. Your mileage may vary. Strictly speaking, VL and 50mhz are not compatable. And, there is at least one 'fudge' mechanism to physically allow it to work. -- Gary Korenek ([email protected]) Network Management Technology Incorporated (formerly Ferranti International Controls Corp.) Sugar Land, Texas (713)274-5357

From: [email protected] (David Farley) Subject: Re: Photoshop for Windows Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 25 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andre Boivert) writes: > > >I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop >for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there >a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs "fine-tuning)? > >Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. > >Thank you. > >Andre Boisvert >[email protected] > An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler and PhotoShop for Windows. David -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 [email protected] Chicago, Illinois 60637

From: [email protected] (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: ioas09.ast.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Lines: 27 Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? All help appreciated...thanks! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: [email protected] | -----------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Lines: 134 In article <[email protected]> Thomas Parsli <[email protected]> writes: >Overall Crime rate: >It fell....just like that... Two questions: When was this, and do you have the relevant numbers. (Please note, this is *not* in any way an indication I don't believe you or that you're not correct, but when the drop occured is relevant.) >Acquiring weapons in Norway: >You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a >permit, and a good reason to get the permit.... >If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from >the police and to be a member of a gun-club. The primary objection (beyond ones based on the ideal of RKBA that it is simply not something the government should do) is that it makes guns a play-thing and tool of the rich and connected. It discriminates against the poor. Is self-defense considered appropriate, and if so, under what conditions? (Are you allowed, for instance to get a gun for protection if you're going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened.) >The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or >records of SERIOUS mental diseases. This has been suggested in the U.S., and generally supported among gun owners. What many object to is that many, if not most, proposals contain a sort of "gotcha" clause which allows an arbitrary denial, even if you qualify in every way. >Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun >-club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun. >It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? >You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... At this point, it should be pointed out that in general a driver's licence in the U.S. is for the most part nothing like its European counterpart. I understand getting one is far more difficult there than here. In the U.S. it's a joke. But my usual objection is that you're discussing two different things. For instance, in the U.S. a driver's license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road. It is not necessary to own one, or to operate it on private property. That is, the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the government's legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands. A permit to own an automobile, for instance, which is far closer an analogy, would be a much harder thing to get past legally, since it wouldn't be based on making regulations on public property, but in restricting activity on private property. >Use of guns in crimes (in Norway): >Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms' >for a long time, but these are rather the exeption. >Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short >time befor the crime. > >Use of knives: >It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. >You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open >in public -rigth ?? This varies *widely*. (One thing I think Europeans have a difficult time with is that the U.S. has fifty unique jurisdictions, where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in Europe to another). Some places allow open carry of both guns and knives. Some allow concealed. Some prohibit both, or allow one or the other. And it can be either a state or local restriciton. >Individual vs masses: >Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some >extent.... >Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? >What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of >all the others ?? The question must be asked: Is the right of *this* individual affecting the rights of this *other* individual. What we usually get is that the rights of this *group* (meaning some individuals within this group, here defined as "people who own guns,") are adversely affecting the rights of some other group. If for instance, "Bob" were using his gun to attack "Steve," you'd have a point. But essentially what we're discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group "people who own guns" then some third person, perhaps in another *time zone* is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody else's rights. It's like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one. >The issue: >I believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation. The issue is crime, violence, and murder. The question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those. >We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one.... >IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. >But should it have to be like that ?? Of course not. It would be nice if we didn't have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us. But currently we don't have that option. Nor do I expect we will. >Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? No state does. In any case, there's a limit to which the state may enforce it's "wisdom" on me. Freedom in general is an unwise concept. If you pre-emptively restrict everything which might be "unwise" then freedom becomes a meaningless concept. >If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think >it should be free to buy guns ?? I'll raise my hand against driver's licenses. As currently implemented they're a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the State and ignored by a startling number of drivers. It does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed, or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car. But, as I mentioned, they're two different things. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. 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From: [email protected] (SRS Consultant) Subject: Bunch-O-PC-Stuff for sale Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 35 Got a few things I want to get rid of... Paradise EGA480/Casper EGA Monitor 1 12 MHz '286 motherboard (DRAM/SIPP) 1 16 MHz '286 momboard (DRAM only) 1 Hayes "Prodigy special" 2400b external modem 1 1Meg SIPP 1 256K SIPP about 2 Megs DRAM (I believe there's 1M of 120ns, and one of 100 or 80ns, but not absolutely sure). Also have an XT with 640K, serial board, Hercules board and amber monitor. The only thing this system is missing is the power supply. Make an offer on any/all of this stuff, and thanx for contributing to Mitch's V.32bis modem fund. Mitch NOTE: Cross-posted to several forsale froups; followups redirected back to me! There's a reason for that - I don't read these groups. -- Mitch Gorman [email protected] "Things are not what they seem." "Through a crack in Mother Earth, Blazing hot, the molten rock spills out over the land. And the lava's the lover who licks your boots away..."

From: [email protected] (Brian E Smith) Subject: Re: Rayshade query Nntp-Posting-Host: ws27.uncc.edu Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: University of NC at Charlotte Lines: 22 In article [email protected], [email protected] () writes: >I am also looking for a surface for the chesspieces. The board is marble. >Unfortunately black won't work very well for the one side. Anybody with ideas >for nice surfaces? How about brass or silver? I've seen real chessboards that use that material. > >Where should I post the finished chessboard? > Right here is as good a place as any. Can't wait to see it. I use the POV raytracer - is it compatible enough for your chessboard? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I don't know if you've got the whole picture or not, but it doesn't seem like he's running on all thrusters!" -- Leonard McCoy "A guess? You, Spock? That's extraordinary!" -- James T. Kirk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Smith ([email protected])

From: [email protected] (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: bronco.fnal.gov Organization: Fermilab Computing Division Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (matthew liggett) writes: > In <[email protected]> [email protected] (T.M.Haddock) writes: > > >> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 >> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a >> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over >> the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab >> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I >> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full >> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. >> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. > >> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? > > I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector. ___________________________________________________________________________ ***** * * From the e-net desk of: Rick Colombo CD/DCD/DSG * * * ** * Fermi Nat'l Acc'l Lab 708-840-8225 Fermilab * * * *** * * * P.O. Box 500 MS 369 Feynman Computer Center ***** * * * ** Batavia, Ill. USA 60510 [email protected] * * ***** * Of course I speak for: Fermilab, Congress and the President... NOT!!!

From: [email protected] (claye hart) Subject: graphics libraries Keywords: graphics, libraries Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16 I am interested in a 2d/3d graphics library which will allow our design team to write graphics software for Unix workstations and be as portable as possible. Eventually this software will have to be moved to Microsoft Windows. It is my opinion that a good API with hooks to PEX underneath would prove most portable. Does anyone out there have any experience with Figaro+ form TGS or HOOPS from Ithaca Software? I would appreciate any comments. - Claye Hart -- Claye K. Hart 404-894-9729 Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ch41 Internet: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Janet A Barnett) Subject: Input Focus to a Window Other Than Where the Pointer Is Nntp-Posting-Host: pookie.crd.ge.com Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY Lines: 21 I have noticed in FrameMaker 3.1X on both the SGI and SUN platforms that certain dialogs, such as "Column Layout..." for example, respond to keyboard traversal even though the pointer is NOT in the dialog window and even though the window manager keyboard focus policy is POINTER. How is this done? I would like to emulate this behavior in my application. It seems a reasonable behavior since when a dialog is popped up from a keyboard action, the dialog is not guaranteed to be under the pointer and the user should not have to reach for the mouse just to move the focus. Alternatively, I'm open to any suggestions as to what is the "right" way to insure that popups get the focus when they appear, particularly when they are invoked from the keyboard and one's keyboard focus policy is pointer. Allen Barnett (whose wife graciously allowed to use her account)

From: [email protected] (Moret Yan - Magistere) Subject: adobe 3.0 and adobe 2.0 Nntp-Posting-Host: daphne.ibp.fr Reply-To: [email protected] (Moret Yan - Magistere) Organization: Universite Paris VI/Paris VII Lines: 7 I wanted to create a postcript file with Win#.1, to print it on a laserwriter II. It created a postcript file version adobe 3.0, but our laser accept only adobe 2.0. How resolve this problem?? Thanks,

From: [email protected] (John Huber) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Cire Y. Trehguad) writes: |> Anna Matyas ([email protected]) wrote: |> : Michael Collingridge writes: |> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, |> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other |> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. |> ; |> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to |> : Pittsburgh? |> |> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens |> recently... |> And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C for the Pens. -Jay John W. Huber, Jr. - aka Jay | Penguins - 1991,1992 Stanley Cup Champions Software Engineering Institute | Pirates - 1990,1991,1992 NL East Champions SEI 3409 (412) 268-3550 | MasterCraft - The ONLY boat for skiing

From: [email protected] Subject: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 70 [In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's "Master of Reality". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early '70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] AFTER FOREVER Have you ever thought about your soul-- can it be saved? Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in you grave. Is God just a thought within you read in a book when you were at school? When you think about death Do you lose your breath Or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope? Do you think he's a fool? Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light and I've changed my ways. And I'll be prepared When you're lonely and scared at the end of your days. Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believed in God above? They should realize before they criticise That God is the only way to love. Is your mind so small that you have to fall In with the pack wherever they run? Will you still sneer when death is near And say they may as well worship the sun? I think it was true -it was people like you that crucified Christ. I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced. Will you be so sure when your day is near to say you don't believe? You had the chance but you turned it down now you can't retrieve. Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead & gone Open your eyes, just realize that He is the one. The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate. Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late. LORD OF THIS WORLD You're searching for your mind don't know where to start. Can't find the key to fit the lock on your heart. You think you know but you are never quite sure Your soul is ill but you will not find a cure. Your world was made for you by someone above But you choose evil ways instead of love. You made me master of the world where you exist The soul I took from you was not even missed. Lord of the world, Evil Possessor, Lord of this world, He's now your confessor! You think you're innocent -you've nothing to fear You don't know me, you say, but isn't it clear? You turned to me in all your worldly greed and pride. But will you turn to me when it your turn to die?

From: [email protected] (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: HR 1276 ("A gun law I can live with!" :-) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Bill Meyers) writes: > A BILL > > To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and > to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and > to provide for the enforcement of such right. Maybe I'm too "religious," but when I see a bill to "establish a right," I wince. Keep in mind, what the law giveth, the law can taketh away. -- [email protected] --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR [email protected] write today for my special Investors' Packet...

From: "Robert Knowles" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 32 >DATE: 5 Apr 1993 23:32:28 GMT >FROM: Jon Livesey <[email protected]> > >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >|> >|> I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic >|> principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says "I testify >|> that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God" that, >|> so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ >|> be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting >|> to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic >|> Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than >|> than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. > >Then Mr Mozumder is incorrect when he says that when committing >bad acts, people temporarily become atheists? > >jon. Of course B.M. is not incorrect. He is defending Islam. When defending Islam against infidels you can say anything and no one will dare criticize you. But when an atheist uses the same argument he is using "petty sarcasm". So B.M. can have his "temporary atheists" whenever he needs them and all the "temporary atheists" can later say that they were always good Muslims because they never explicitly rejected Islam. Temporary atheism, temporary Islam, temporary marriage. None of it sticks. A teflon religion. How convenient. And so easy to clean up after. But then, what would you expect from a bunch of people who can't even agree on the phases of the moon?

From: [email protected] (Marc Goldman) Subject: [SNES] [Genesis] Games for sale or trade. Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University. Lines: 24 I have the following Genesis carts for sale or trade: Alien 3 Global gladiators Crue ball I have the following SNES carts for sale or trade: Jimmy connors tennis Super play action football Cross system trades are fine. Cheers Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** ** * ****** *** * | On the net, ** * ** *** ** ** * * | no-one can hear you scream! ** * ** *** **** ** * * |------------------------------------ ** * ** *** ** ** * * | email [email protected] ** * ****** * ****** ** ** | [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Ville V Walveranta) Subject: Re: Winjet accelerator card Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 16 Gv Fragante ([email protected]) wrote: : Anyone familiar with this video card? What chipset does the winjet use - S3? : As I am in the market for a VLG video card, what is the best chipset among : S3, Cirrus Logic and Tseng Lab (ATI is out of the question - too expensive) ? : Thanks. WinJet is not a video card -- it's _printer_ accelerator manufactured by LaserMaster (Eden Prairie, MN). -- Willy -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: [email protected] *

From: [email protected] (Larry Rogers) Subject: Re: Saturn 91-92 Manual Transmission Problem In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:50:21 GMT Organization: Data General, Westboro, Mass. Lines: 34 I had exactly the same problem with a 1981 Horizon. Third gear would just disengage. Engine would rev up. Kind of disconcerting. I sold that car quite a few years back but the memory of that tranny sticks with me. It also had a clutch chatter in first that the dealer could not fix. If the lemon law had been in place then, that car would have been covered. I have had several Jap cars since then (figuring the Horizon was my contribution to the American Auto Companies), and have never seen any bad behavior with the exception of a Toyota Tercel with a bit of clutch chatter that they did fix on the first try. Anyway, from that day forward, I have sworn that I would never purchase another American car with a standard. American manufacturers don't have a clue on how to manufacture five speed transmissions and have been doing the automatics much longer and on many more cars. However, I hate automatics, so I am still buying Jap cars. Not sure this is any help, but other cars do this too. Cheers, Larry -- @@ Larry Rogers * @@@ [email protected] * Big Brother @@@ &&& [email protected] * is Watching @@ && Data General 508-870-8441 * The opinions contained herein are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of Data General or anyone else, but they should. "Sometimes we are the windshield, sometimes we are the bug" Dire Straits