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Asmongold: |
Well, you can ask the 65,000 people that did. |
DarkViperAU: |
I feel like I'm kind of picking on him just to look at the smaller bits of dishonesty, but obviously a channel getting 65,000 views is not indicative of them watching exactly the video that Asmongold watched on stream. Vaulty's point was, as any idiot would be able to realize, if a person has watched an entire video on Asmongold's Stream, there's no reason to watch it again on the main channel. They may have watched other videos, but that's beside the point and was not Vaulty's claim. |
Vaulty: |
I've had Asmongold react to one of my videos before and it pretty much converted into no numbers. |
Asmongold: |
Well, that's because you had a shitty video. I remember your video. Your video was stupid. Your opinions were stupid. |
DarkViperAU: |
“Look, I'm not the bad guy here. If a person doesn't benefit from my stealing their content, they just didn't work hard enough to make a good video for me to react to. They should just go back and make a better video for me so that they can get some better exposure.”. Asmon is accidentally admitting here that his commentary is not the primary determinants of any value that a content creator will get by his watching a video on stream or reproducing it for his YouTube channel. All Asmon brings to the table is his already having an audience. And the audience will continue to grow on the backs of the hard work of other content creators that he continues to pay with varying levels of exposure to his audience. |
Asmongold: |
And, and that's what it's about for him. It's about viewership. It, it, there's no integrity here at all. It's about viewership. |
DarkViperAU: |
Thanks for helping me move my sleeping pattern, and there's a mowing of the lawn out there, which is probably gonna keep me up for a while yet, which is good. Um, if you go to the end of the video and you actually watch Asmongold's content, um, as I do as I mentioned previously, um, type in the comments, something to, with muffins, like as an Asmond go watcher. I got to the end of this video muffins or something. You know, if you don't watch Asmond and… I keep saying ‘Asmond’. I think that's probably wrong. You'd probably like to be called Asmon. I don't really care. I'm just too tired. Um, if you don't watch Asmon, sounds weirder, Um, right. Like, I, I can't stop thinking about muffins and cheese… Right... Um, mango’s in some context. Thank you. |
Sources: |
Asmongold stream [https://www.twitch.tv/asmongold Asmongold] |
Asmongold YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@AsmonTV A͏s͏m͏o͏n͏g͏o͏l͏d͏ T͏V͏] |
The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt [https://righteousmind.com/ The Righteous Mind] |
Vaulty’s YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@vaulty] |
Asmongold’s response to Vaulty [https://youtu.be/XdT69ngp-qI] |
Asmongold’s Tweet about his youtube channel [https://twitter.com/Asmongold/status/1245509808960212995 Zack on Twitter] |
Gorak’s Guide YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@goraksguide] |
Teliesin & Evitel [https://www.youtube.com/@TaliesinEvitel] |
Platinum WoW [https://www.youtube.com/@PlatinumWoW] |
Four factors of fair use [https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/ Measuring Fair Use: The Four Factors] |
Asmongold's Dominance By Reuploading Content - The Dark Side of Reaction Content (Part 2/3) |
'''Original video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdVhDyFHwTg Asmongold's Dominance By Reuploading Content - The Dark Side of Reaction Content (Part 2/3)] |
DarkViperAU: |
Hey everyone. The purpose of my last video was largely to explain the flawed reasoning behind Asmongold's justifications for his content theft and to explain fair use. Having now made the video, I realized that most people don't know what Asmongold is doing and why it's wrong. ‘Why does he need to justify it at all?’ is a sentiment that I saw. It kind of makes sense to me that the average person is not thinking about the method of content creation or how it's made. People watch me editing videos and they'll go, “Oh my God, I had no idea how much work went into videos.”. It's a lot of work. So this video will explain the scam Asmongold and his editors are running and why what they're doing is theft. I will use simplified numbers for the purposes of explaining the principle of what he's doing, and then move on to look at Asmongold's actual content and numbers. |
So in this scenario, we have seven channels working seven hours a day for seven days to each create one 10 minute video. Each channel has worked 49 hours for their particular video. So in total, they have done 343 hours of labor for 50 minutes of content. This sort of labor, of course, if you paid for it, would be worth thousands of dollars. But these are all independent content creators though, so they upload to YouTube. Here comes Asmongold, he takes 20 minutes to watch each 10 minute video that took 49 hours to make. He then uploads each of these videos, one a day, keeping the entire 343 hours of work in his videos. He produces roughly 1.5 hours of content in 1.5 hours, which includes the 343 hours of other people's work. He then pays them nothing. Labor worth thousands of dollars. Nothing. If Asman produced the content himself, even as fast as they did, it would take him 343 hours. Instead, he has stolen it from others in 1.5 hours. |
In any other scenario, Asmongold will be paying literally thousands of dollars of the millions he's made in content creation to these creators. But he's not. He's giving them literally nothing and people are praising him as if he's doing something good. Each of these channels can only make one video a week because they take so long to make. But Asmond now has seven videos. Videos that are primarily the labor of other people that he did not pay for. The other seven channels will never be able to compete with Asmongold, they will never grow as large as he will. |
He has spent only a tiny fraction of the time that they have to produce content just as good because it contains the content that took 343 hours to make. The astute among you may have noticed that this is how YouTube works, as a platform. YouTube hosts our content, enriching themselves and growing as a brand. No content creator will ever be able to outpace YouTube itself because it can't compete with all the content that is being hosted so quickly. The difference here between YouTube and Asmongold is that YouTube pays us. And we have a direct say if our content goes on the platform or not. Asmongold is not asking content creators beforehand if he can use their content. He's then stealing the content maybe after the fact, hoping that they say yes. He then uploads it, monetizes it, and pays the original content creators in exposure, but a fraction of the exposure that he himself gets from YouTube with the videos. The videos of other people's content that is now being shared around in the algorithm, promoting him as a content creator. “Come to Asmongold's channel, come to Asmongold's Twitch channel! Look at all the amazing content. A video a day, 10 videos a day. How is he doing it?”. |
It may surprise you, but it's even worse than this. If Asmongold was not uploading this stolen content, people on YouTube will be watching other YouTubers with that time. The spots and the recommendations that are now filled with his stolen content will go to other YouTubers promoting them, probably other WoW YouTubers. Asmongold is literally siphoning views from everyone else to build his brand and then acting high and mighty when he focuses a small fraction of it and gives it back to the people he's stealing from. Asmongold in just the seven months, his official channel has existed, has made 167 videos with ‘react’ in the title. He only has 372 videos and many of these are also react content, but don't have react in the title. It's why Asmond gets very defensive when you bring up this topic. He's not an idiot, he knows what he's doing and he doesn't want other people to know. |
It's just very weird that he's doing this. Most people, when they're smaller, don't abide by a fair use. You get in five views, 10 views, you're just trying to make it in the game. Like you can worry about fair use later, that's kind of justifiable, like you are barely making ends meet. Sure, why not. But Asmongold is a multi multimillionaire, top 5 content creators on the biggest live streaming platform. He has more money than any of us will see in our entire lives. Asmongold did the opposite of what most people do. Most people, as they grow bigger, become very careful about protecting their brand and being kind to others. 'cause they have the wealth that they can do it. They can shower wealth upon other people 'cause, you know, it's, it's an excess thing for them, right? Asmongold, on the other hand, got big as a content creator, got lazy, stopped making his own content. He doesn't edit any videos anymore like he used to. And now he's stealing other people's labor to expand his influence and wealth. When is enough going to be enough Asmon? |
Now, it may not have been clear in the last video, but at different points in that video, I talked about a moral question of react content and a legal question of react content. The legal question is far less ambiguous and there's less disagreement because it's, you know, written there in stone. It is the law, but morally we don't all necessarily agree what is or is not moral. We all have different goals for society, yada, yada. It is clear that the react content that Asmongold produces on Twitch and on YouTube is illegal. The moral question is different morally, for me at least, putting an entire person's video on your YouTube channel without consent is not okay. If you post someone else's content to YouTube, that content stays there forever. Being constantly recommended, expanding your brand, taking eyeballs away from fellow content creators, and bringing you revenue either directly through the video or indirectly through your increased viewership on Twitch. |
Again, legally watching entire YouTube video on Twitch or YouTube is clearly not fair use. Morally uploading another person's entire YouTube video to your YouTube channel without their consent is not moral. Arguably, even on Twitch it shouldn't be done. But I'm not really concerned about what people do on Twitch in the same way, I'm really concerned about asthma gold producing 200 fucking videos of other people's content on YouTube. |
Asmongold: |
America's Funniest Home Videos, uh, Ridiculousness. How many. MTV shows on MTV 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 are one host with a panel of C-list celebrities reacting and laughing at YouTube videos. What's the difference whenever you have a C-list Internet celebrity doing the same thing? The fact is that the react content is as old as content itself. I mean, the truth is that you have always had react content like that. I mean, there have been many shows that have been extremely popular in culture, like I think America's Funniest Home Videos or any of these other shows where you basically have a panel of people reacting or watching videos and giving their take on it, or their little 2 cents, or their funny little joke about the video. You even have like Tosh for example. And, uh, a large part of his show is about that. |
DarkViperAU: |
Funniest Home Videos, Tosh.0. These websites pay the creators of those videos money, or at the very least, get permission. They get licensed permission to use their content. Asmongold is directly ripping off people's content without permission. Stealing the entire video, every single frame and re-uploading it to his YouTube channel. And his justification… “I'll pause the video every once in a while and make a comment. That's, that's fair use, right?”. No. |
Sources: |
Asmongold stream [https://www.twitch.tv/asmongold Asmongold] |
Asmongold YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@AsmonTV A͏s͏m͏o͏n͏g͏o͏l͏d͏ T͏V͏] |
Asmongold TV YouTube statistics [https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCQeRaTukNYft1_6AZPACnog Social Blade Stats] |
1st video [https://youtu.be/E2aGMAuFLL0] |
Four factors of fair use [https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/ Measuring Fair Use: The Four Factors] |
America’s Funniest Home Videos [https://www.afv.com/contest-rules AFV Contest Rules] |
The Unseen Impact of Reactors: A Critical Analysis Ft. Asmongold (Part 3/3) |
'''Original video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1BN0ftxz-c Reactors Are Still Invisibly Harming Everyone Ft. Asmongold (Part 3/3)] |
DarkViperAU: |
Yes, I am still reading from a script, but this video is important, so I hope you can forgive me. Having now spoken to Asmongold and many of his followers in my Twitter DM’s, I have now come to the conclusion a key aspects of my previous videos was not clear enough leading people to believe I'm only claiming react content hurts those whose videos are taken by the reactor allow me to remedy that situation. |
Let me ask you. Without their consent, would you take 5 cents from everyone on the planet who has over a thousand dollars? It's an interesting question, isn't it? A hundred million dollars, and few would even recognize it’s gone. Even if they did recognize they wouldn't bother doing anything about it. You could then give $1 million to your close friends and family to make up to those who matter for taking their 5 cents. We'll come back to this question a little bit later. |
An unambiguous reaction video is when a person copies another person's video in its entirety by watching it and re-uploading it to YouTube. Not only does this violate fair use just by the fact that it is unedited and contains the entire original product, it is harmful in that it produces two forms of theft. The first is that react content is basically like speedrunning content creation. A hypothetical original content creator requires a hundred hours of labor to produce a 10 minute video that showcases 100 hours of quality. A hypothetical react content creator, on the other hand, can make a video that showcases 100 hours of quality in 10 minutes, as that is how long it takes to watch the original content video. |
The end result is two videos of roughly the same quality, but one took 100 hours to make and the other took 10 minutes. The react content creator is therefore stealing labor. Either they have non consensually taken a person's work and claimed it as their own, or they're avoiding paying a content creator potentially thousands of dollars for their labor as they would've had to do this absent the theft. This theft, of course, means that the react content creator can produce far more videos of high quality than the original content creator can. Like how stealing a hundred televisions is faster than building 100 televisions yourself. |
The second form of theft is almost invisible unless you understand how YouTube works. YouTube may seem infinite, but it is actually finite in that there is a limited amount of. Base for recommendations and limited amount of time people are being shown recommendations. |
Let us examine my recommendation feed. There is a video here of stolen content. This video would have gotten 3 million recommendations worth of exposure, meaning YouTube presented it to people 3 million times, trying to get them to click it. If this stolen content wasn't here, that exposure would have been used to help other YouTubers, I may never know about your favorite YouTuber because rather than being presented that video, I'm being presented stolen content. |
The stolen video is like a vampire sucking away exposure from everyone around it, for the personal gain of the uploader. The react YouTuber due to putting far less effort into their videos for the quality they are producing can upload far, far faster than anyone else. This means hypothetically for every original video, you or I make a react YouTuber could perhaps make 50 uploads. React YouTubers can therefore steal exposure faster than any original content creator can fight to increase their own exposure. Original content creators are therefore in a losing battle where the ocean of exposure slowly shrinks around them to benefit only the react YouTuber. |
Perhaps you might say, “Well, I know a react YouTuber who does upload some original content.”, this solves nothing. The react content will artificially boost the channel, meaning YouTube will recommend the original content videos more than it would without the react videos being present. Therefore, even the original content is stealing recommendation, exposure from other YouTubers, as without the stolen content, the exposure would have gone to other people. |
You might then ask, but wouldn't the specific person who had their video stolen be upset? Wouldn't they just force the React YouTuber to take down the content? In many cases, no, because the 200k views from this video represents the exposure given to the original content creator. A portion of the 200,000 people who watch the video will click through and potentially watch the original content creator's other work. So in this case, 3 million recommendations of exposure are being stolen from other YouTubers and given to Asmongold, who is then giving 200k recommendations of exposure to pints. |
So back to the analogy, would you use a stolen video to take a tiny bit of recommendation, exposure from everyone on YouTube without their consent? It's an interesting question, isn't it? 3 million recommendations worth of exposure and few will even recognize it's gone. Even if they did, they wouldn't bother doing anything about it. You could even give the equivalent of 15% of that exposure to the original owner of the video you stole. They may even thank you for it. Like, let's be real. Maybe you do it once. What about doing it once a day, twice a day, 170 times in seven months? For simplicity's sake, I have just said YouTube is a lose exposure, but of course, exposure turns into clicks, which turns into actual revenue and growth. React YouTubers each and every day, literally steal income from other YouTubers. It's even worse though because eventually you have to join them one way or another. If you are also not reacting to content yourself, you are producing less content. Thus your competitors who do react will soar past you, limiting your growth. |
The people who upload react content fit into three general categories. The first people who have convinced themselves that they're doing good, the second the people who don't care enough to think about the consequences of their actions. And the third, those who believe they're harming others but simply don't care. React content, like any crime, is effectively impossible to remove. This impossibility does not justify anyone doing any crime. To avoid being a react YouTuber: read fair use guidelines. Absent that, edit your videos creatively and don't use the entirety of someone else's content in your own content. |
People ask me. Why pick on Asmongold? It's because I watch Asmongold. I may even like Asmongold, but he is orders of magnitude. The worst culprit of this that I know of. Even most sort of react content I see on YouTube is edited and doesn't contain the entire original content within it. |
I hope this helps people understand, even though I've come to the conclusion that most people who watch Asmongold would not make it to the end of this video. |
Sources: |
Asmongold stream [https://www.twitch.tv/asmongold Asmongold] |
Asmongold YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@AsmonTV A͏s͏m͏o͏n͏g͏o͏l͏d͏ T͏V͏] |
1st video [https://youtu.be/E2aGMAuFLL0] |
2nd video [https://youtu.be/tdVhDyFHwTg] |
Classic - Wow - Doomin by Pint [https://youtu.be/Aue1ptXUWSI] |
Asmongold TV YouTube statistics [https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCQeRaTukNYft1_6AZPACnog Social Blade Stats] |
Pint Youtube statistics [https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/pintpint Social Blade Stats] |
Can A Leftist Justifiably Support React Content? |
'''Original video: '''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A20vucHAH4 Can A Leftist Justifiably Support React Content?] |
DarkViperAU: |
Hey everyone. I received an email that was interesting to the extent that I wanted to make this video in response to something that was shown to me within it. Uh, it it, this part here is probably the only part that really matters: “I was recently watching a video of Xanderhal’s in response to a video made by somebody called TurkeyTom about content theft. I'm sure you are well aware of the subject. In it you are referenced, here is the timestamp.”. |
Now, I wasn't immediately going to talk about what this person says 'cause he seems extraordinarily dense. I mean, I can't say no offense 'cause that is offensive. But this was funny to me. So to follow this down, what this person's saying, right? I made three videos a while back critical of Asmongold and then TurkeyTom used some of the content that I made about Asmongold in his own video. And now Xanderhal is watching TurkeyTom's use of my content about Asmongold. And so this response is me watching Xanderhall's response to TurkeyTom's use of my content about Asmongold. That is some really deep levels of responding to shit, and I thought that was kind of funny. So I'm gonna make this video just so I can say, you know, one time, five times deep in terms of responses of content. |
So originally I wanted to make some sort of a summation of my videos, but I find that's quite hard. These were fairly dense and I felt well argued. What I'm gonna do instead of making a summation of this right now is I'm just gonna watch the part of Xanderhal responding to my part in TurkeyTom's video, 'cause it's fairly short. And then I can just kind of go from there. |
TurkeyTom: |
From his stream to YouTube, which was covered pretty well by the YouTuber DarkViperAU where he did some math to figure out exactly how much money he believes Asmon makes off of the hard work of others and how much effort is actually put into those videos. |