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I was told while in Iraq the commander was aware of my blog, but I felt I was justified in what I was saying, and I never said anything that could have been used against me as libelous or seen as seditious. However, as we were receiving our awards for serving, mine was conspicuously missing. It turns out that despite a stellar record and glowing recommendations from the higher-ranking officers that I served with and protected every day, the commander, a general, denied my award. I saw the copy of the rejected award myself with the box checked "deny" and the general's signature. It's still burns me up.

i was told while in iraq the commander was aware of my blog but i felt, i was justified in what i was saying and i never said anything that could have been used. against me as libelous or seen, as seditious, however as we were receiving our. awards for serving mine was conspicuously missing it, turns out that despite a stellar record and glowing recommendations from the higher-ranking officers that i served with and protected every day the commander a general, denied my award, i. saw the copy of the rejected, award myself with the box checked "deny" and the general's signature it's still burns me

I was told while in Iraq the commander was aware. of my, blog but I felt I was justified in what I was saying and I never said anything that, could have been used against, me as libelous or seen, as seditious However as we were. receiving our awards, for serving mine was conspicuously missing; It turns out that despite a, stellar record, and glowing recommendations from the higher-ranking officers, that I served with and protected every day the commander a general denied my award I saw the, copy, of, the rejected award myself with the box; checked "deny" and the general's signature, It's still. burns me

i was told while in iraq the commander was aware of my blog, but i felt i was justified in what i was saying, and i never said anything that could have been used against me as libelous or seen as seditious. however, as we were receiving our awards for serving, mine was conspicuously missing. it turns out that despite a stellar record and glowing recommendations from the higher-ranking officers that i served with and protected every day, the commander, a general, denied my award. i saw the copy of the rejected award myself with the box checked "deny" and the general's signature. it's still burns me up.

And we'll end this conversation with an email from Rod in South Bend, Indiana. I had considered writing a piece of mine regarding a supervisor of mine, a person who went out of his way to try to ruin my career out of personal dislike. I decided against it, thinking that it might come back to haunt me, as well as simply not wanting to stoop to that level. A month later my supervisor's boss was fired. Fearing reprisal, my supervisor quit the following day. Sometimes karma is more fun. We'll talk about the "Sex and the City" movie coming up. Stay with us. It's the Talk of the Nation.

and we'll end this. conversation with an email from rod in south bend indiana i had considered writing a piece of mine regarding a supervisor of mine a person who went out of. his way to try to ruin my career out of personal dislike i decided against it thinking that it might come back to haunt. me as well as simply. not wanting to stoop to that level a month later my supervisor's boss was. fired fearing reprisal my supervisor quit the following day sometimes karma is more fun we'll talk about the "sex and the, city" movie coming up stay with us it's the. talk of, the

And, we'll end this conversation. with an email from Rod in; South Bend Indiana I had considered writing a piece of, mine regarding a supervisor of mine a person who went out of his way to try to ruin my career out of personal dislike I decided against it thinking that it might come back to haunt me as. well as simply not wanting to stoop to that level A month later my supervisor's, boss was fired, Fearing reprisal. my supervisor quit the. following day Sometimes, karma is more. fun We'll talk about the "Sex and the City" movie, coming, up Stay with us It's the Talk of the

and we'll end this conversation with an email from rod in south bend, indiana. i had considered writing a piece of mine regarding a supervisor of mine, a person who went out of his way to try to ruin my career out of personal dislike. i decided against it, thinking that it might come back to haunt me, as well as simply not wanting to stoop to that level. a month later my supervisor's boss was fired. fearing reprisal, my supervisor quit the following day. sometimes karma is more fun. we'll talk about the "sex and the city" movie coming up. stay with us. it's the talk of the nation.

This is WEEKEND EDITION from NPR News. I'm Liane Hansen.

this, is weekend edition from npr news; i'm liane

This is WEEKEND EDITION. from NPR News I'm Liane

this is weekend edition from npr news. i'm liane hansen.

This week, representatives from nearly 200 nations will gather in Copenhagen to seek an agreement on a strategy to fight climate change. President Obama will join the gathering later on. The United Nations Climate Change Conference is described as the most significant attempt at changing the course of global warming since world leaders met in 1997 to craft the Kyoto protocol.

this. week representatives, from nearly 200 nations will gather in copenhagen to seek an agreement on, a strategy to fight climate change president obama will. join the, gathering later on the, united nations climate change conference is described; as the most significant attempt at changing the course of global warming since world leaders met. in, 1997 to craft the kyoto

This week, representatives from nearly 200 nations will gather in. Copenhagen to seek an; agreement on a, strategy to, fight climate change President Obama will join the gathering. later on The United. Nations Climate Change Conference is described as the most significant attempt at, changing the course of global warming since world. leaders met, in 1997 to craft the Kyoto

this week, representatives from nearly 200 nations will gather in copenhagen to seek an agreement on a strategy to fight climate change. president obama will join the gathering later on. the united nations climate change conference is described as the most significant attempt at changing the course of global warming since world leaders met in 1997 to craft the kyoto protocol.

Back on Capitol Hill, Senate Democrats are working to advance global warming legislation, but it's become a tough sell. Tim Wirth is a former Colorado congressman and senator. He's president of the United Nations Foundation, an organization which, in part, advocates for environmental issues. Welcome to the show.

back on capitol hill senate democrats are working to advance global warming, legislation but it's become a tough sell tim wirth is a former colorado congressman and senator he's president of the united nations foundation an organization which in part advocates for environmental issues welcome to the

Back on Capitol Hill Senate Democrats are working to advance global; warming legislation but it's become a tough sell Tim Wirth is. a former Colorado congressman and senator He's president, of the United Nations Foundation an organization which in part advocates for environmental issues Welcome to the

back on capitol hill, senate democrats are working to advance global warming legislation, but it's become a tough sell. tim wirth is a former colorado congressman and senator. he's president of the united nations foundation, an organization which, in part, advocates for environmental issues. welcome to the show.

Liane, wonderful to be here. Thank you for doing this.

liane wonderful to be here thank you for doing

Liane wonderful, to be. here; Thank you for doing

liane, wonderful to be here. thank you for doing this.

Having spent much of your professional career working in Congress specifically on environmental concerns, do you think the issue of climate change has enough momentum on the Hill to result in effective legislation?

having spent much of your professional career working in congress specifically on environmental concerns do you think the issue of climate change, has enough momentum on the hill to result. in. effective

Having spent much of your professional career working, in, Congress specifically on environmental concerns do you think the issue of climate change has enough momentum on the Hill to result in effective

having spent much of your professional career working in congress specifically on environmental concerns, do you think the issue of climate change has enough momentum on the hill to result in effective legislation?

I think there are probably, in 100 members of the Senate, you've probably got 40 people who are going to be good votes on this. And the question is: Can you find 20 more? I think that there is enough momentum up there to probably get them through 10 more, get some to 50. And then John Kerry, Lindsey Graham, Joe Lieberman are working to get the remainder.

i, think there are probably in 100 members of the senate you've probably got. 40 people. who are going, to be. good votes on this and the, question is: can you find 20 more? i think that there is enough momentum up there to probably get, them through 10 more get some to. 50. and then john kerry lindsey graham joe lieberman are working to get the

I think there are probably in 100 members of the Senate you've probably got 40 people who are going to be good votes on. this And the question. is: Can you find 20 more? I think that there; is enough momentum up there to probably get them through 10 more get some to 50. And then John Kerry Lindsey Graham Joe Lieberman are working to, get the

i think there are probably, in 100 members of the senate, you've probably got 40 people who are going to be good votes on this. and the question is: can you find 20 more? i think that there is enough momentum up there to probably get them through 10 more, get some to 50. and then john kerry, lindsey graham, joe lieberman are working to get the remainder.

President Obama has pledged the United States will cut about 17 percent of its carbon emissions by 2020. What will it take to do that? What will that effort require?

president. obama has pledged the united states will cut about 17 percent of its carbon emissions by 2020. what will it take to do that? what will that effort

President Obama has pledged the United States will cut about 17 percent of its carbon emissions. by. 2020. What will it take to do that? What. will that effort

president obama has pledged the united states will cut about 17 percent of its carbon emissions by 2020. what will it take to do that? what will that effort require?

I think there are a number of ways to do that. One, if you take what's in the Waxman-Markey, the House bill on climate and add what's been done on automobiles, that gets you over 20 percent. Similarly, if Senator Kerry's and Senator Lindsey's, Senator Lieberman's legislation comes to pass, it will have the right kind of finance mechanisms, I think the right kind of energy efficiency - that's the big ticket item: Renewable energy. I think that they're going to attempt to increase the cleaner fuels: nuclear and natural gas. And so if you get that combination, you get over 20 percent as well.

i think there; are a number of ways to do that one if you take, what's in the; waxman-markey the house bill. on climate and add what's been done, on automobiles that gets you over 20 percent similarly if senator kerry's and senator lindsey's senator lieberman's legislation comes to pass it will have the right kind of finance mechanisms, i think the right kind of energy efficiency - that's the big ticket item: renewable energy; i think that they're going to attempt to, increase the. cleaner fuels: nuclear and natural gas, and so if you get that combination you get over 20 percent as

I think there are a number of ways to do that One if you take what's in the Waxman-Markey the House bill on climate and. add what's been done on; automobiles that gets you over 20 percent Similarly if Senator Kerry's and Senator Lindsey's Senator Lieberman's legislation comes to pass it will have the right kind of; finance mechanisms I think the. right kind of energy, efficiency - that's the big ticket item: Renewable energy I think that they're going to attempt to. increase the cleaner fuels: nuclear and natural gas And so if you get that combination you, get over 20 percent as

i think there are a number of ways to do that. one, if you take what's in the waxman-markey, the house bill on climate and add what's been done on automobiles, that gets you over 20 percent. similarly, if senator kerry's and senator lindsey's, senator lieberman's legislation comes to pass, it will have the right kind of finance mechanisms, i think the right kind of energy efficiency - that's the big ticket item: renewable energy. i think that they're going to attempt to increase the cleaner fuels: nuclear and natural gas. and so if you get that combination, you get over 20 percent as well.

The unemployment rate in the United States has reached double digits now. And many senators from manufacturing states worry that a sweeping climate change bill will push companies to send work abroad. How can a balance be found between the interests of the environmentalists and the need to preserve and create jobs?

the unemployment, rate in the united states has, reached double digits now and many senators from manufacturing states. worry that a sweeping climate change bill will; push companies to send work abroad how, can a balance be, found between the interests of the environmentalists and the need. to preserve and create

The unemployment rate in the United States has reached double digits. now And many senators from manufacturing states. worry that a sweeping climate change bill will push companies to send work, abroad How can a balance be found between the interests of. the environmentalists and the need to preserve and create

the unemployment rate in the united states has reached double digits now. and many senators from manufacturing states worry that a sweeping climate change bill will push companies to send work abroad. how can a balance be found between the interests of the environmentalists and the need to preserve and create jobs?

I think the opportunities that come from, really, redoing America's infrastructure, that's what the president ought to be advocating. That should be a major part of what people talk about in 2010, 2012 elections. We have just begun to retool and redo America's building stock. It's very inefficient. It's very old. And that's where it's a real winner for us to do so. It's a major job training program and it pays itself back over the period of time it's necessary.

i think the opportunities that come from really redoing america's infrastructure that's what the president ought to be advocating that, should be a major part of what. people talk about in 2010, 2012 elections we have just begun to retool and redo america's building stock it's very inefficient, it's very old and, that's where it's a real winner for us to do so it's a major job training. program and it pays itself back over the period of time it's

I think the opportunities that come from really redoing America's infrastructure that's what the president ought to, be advocating That should be a major part of what people, talk about in 2010, 2012 elections We have just begun to retool and redo America's building stock It's very inefficient It's very old And that's where it's a real winner for us to do so It's a major job training program and it pays itself back. over the period of time it's

i think the opportunities that come from, really, redoing america's infrastructure, that's what the president ought to be advocating. that should be a major part of what people talk about in 2010, 2012 elections. we have just begun to retool and redo america's building stock. it's very inefficient. it's very old. and that's where it's a real winner for us to do so. it's a major job training program and it pays itself back over the period of time it's necessary.

So that's what I would do if I were the president, is put just a major point on - we're rebuilding America and that's a major national issue and that's going to help up with the climate change issue.

so that's what i would do if i. were the president is put just a major, point on - we're rebuilding america and that's a major national issue and that's going. to help up. with the climate change

So that's what I would do, if I were the president. is put just a major point on, - we're rebuilding America and that's a major national issue and that's going to help up with, the climate change

so that's what i would do if i were the president, is put just a major point on - we're rebuilding america and that's a major national issue and that's going to help up with the climate change issue.

I'm speaking with Tim Wirth, the president of the United Nations Foundation. One of the positions that you've held that I didn't mention in the introduction to you was that you were the country's lead negotiator for the Kyoto climate conference. Many of the goals of the Kyoto Accord have not been met. So, what's your expectation for the talks in Copenhagen?

i'm speaking, with tim wirth, the president of the united nations foundation one of the positions that you've held that i didn't mention in the introduction to you was that you were the country's lead negotiator for the kyoto climate conference many of the goals of the kyoto. accord have not been met so what's your expectation, for the talks, in

I'm speaking, with Tim Wirth the president of. the United Nations Foundation One of the positions that you've held that I didn't mention in the introduction to you was that you were the country's lead negotiator for the Kyoto climate. conference Many of the goals of the Kyoto Accord have. not been met So what's your expectation for the talks in

i'm speaking with tim wirth, the president of the united nations foundation. one of the positions that you've held that i didn't mention in the introduction to you was that you were the country's lead negotiator for the kyoto climate conference. many of the goals of the kyoto accord have not been met. so, what's your expectation for the talks in copenhagen?

We learned a lot from Kyoto. It was a brand new field. Nobody really understood climate change. There's much more awareness now in Copenhagen. The level of the science, the level of the technology is much, much higher. And then you have a political awareness. I think Copenhagen's already been a success in the fact that you've had dozens of heads of state are going to come and more than 100 have come to meetings that the U.N. has called over the last two years.

we learned a lot from kyoto it was a brand new field nobody really understood climate change there's much more awareness now in copenhagen, the level of the science the level of the technology is much much higher and then you have a political awareness, i think copenhagen's already been. a, success. in the fact that you've had dozens of heads of state are going to come and, more than 100 have come to, meetings that the u.n has called over the last two

We learned a lot from, Kyoto It was, a brand new field Nobody really, understood climate change There's; much more awareness now in Copenhagen The level of the science, the level of the technology is much much higher And then you; have a political awareness I think Copenhagen's already been a success in the fact that. you've, had dozens of heads of state are going to come and more, than 100 have come to meetings that the U.N has. called over the last two

we learned a lot from kyoto. it was a brand new field. nobody really understood climate change. there's much more awareness now in copenhagen. the level of the science, the level of the technology is much, much higher. and then you have a political awareness. i think copenhagen's already been a success in the fact that you've had dozens of heads of state are going to come and more than 100 have come to meetings that the u.n. has called over the last two years.

You've headed the U.N. Foundation since its inception and the environment has been among your organization's top program priorities. In what ways are the United States and the other industrialized nations missing the mark when it comes to fighting global warming?

you've headed the u.n foundation since its inception and the environment has been among your organization's top program priorities in what ways are the united states and the other industrialized nations missing the mark when it comes to fighting global

You've headed the U.N Foundation since its inception and the environment has been among your organization's top program priorities, In what ways are the United States and the other industrialized nations missing the mark when it comes to fighting global

you've headed the u.n. foundation since its inception and the environment has been among your organization's top program priorities. in what ways are the united states and the other industrialized nations missing the mark when it comes to fighting global warming?

I think we've missed the boat on a lot of the efficiency steps that can and should be taken. You know, those are immediate steps that we can take. Second, in terms of renewables, I think we're beginning to make a dent there, but there's some much greater incentives that can be put into legislation on the industrial side that helps a lot.

i think, we've missed the boat, on a lot. of the efficiency steps that can and should be taken you know those are immediate steps that we can take second in terms of renewables i think we're beginning to make a dent there but there's some much greater incentives that can, be put into legislation on the industrial side that helps a

I think we've. missed. the boat on a lot of the efficiency steps that can and should be taken You, know those are immediate steps that we can take Second in terms of renewables I think. we're, beginning. to make a dent there but. there's; some much. greater incentives that can be put into legislation on the industrial side that helps a

i think we've missed the boat on a lot of the efficiency steps that can and should be taken. you know, those are immediate steps that we can take. second, in terms of renewables, i think we're beginning to make a dent there, but there's some much greater incentives that can be put into legislation on the industrial side that helps a lot.

Indonesia and Brazil. You know, the amount of carbon that goes up into the atmosphere from those two great huge rainforests in the world, you know, is that's the cheapest carbon reduction we're going to get is to slow down the rate of deforestation.

indonesia and brazil you know the amount of carbon, that goes up, into the atmosphere from those two great huge rainforests in the world you know is that's the cheapest carbon reduction we're going to, get is to slow down the, rate of

Indonesia and Brazil You know the amount of carbon that goes up into. the atmosphere from those two great huge rainforests in, the world you know is that's the cheapest. carbon reduction we're going to get is to slow, down the rate of

indonesia and brazil. you know, the amount of carbon that goes up into the atmosphere from those two great huge rainforests in the world, you know, is that's the cheapest carbon reduction we're going to get is to slow down the rate of deforestation.

Tim Wirth is president of the United Nations Foundation. Thank you very much for coming in.

tim wirth is president of the united nations foundation thank you very much for coming

Tim Wirth is president, of the United Nations Foundation Thank you very much, for coming

tim wirth is president of the united nations foundation. thank you very much for coming in.

Liane, nice to be with you. Thank you.

liane nice to be with you thank

Liane nice to be with you Thank

liane, nice to be with you. thank you.

Sure. So this is from about two-thirds of the way through the book and it's in the voice of Michael. (Reading) What do you fear when you fear everything? Time passing and not passing. Death and life. I could say my lungs never filled with enough air no matter how many puffs of my inhaler I took or that my thoughts moved too quickly to complete, severed by perpetual vigilance. But even to say this would abet the lie that terror can be described when anyone who's ever known it knows that it has no components but is instead everywhere inside you all the time until you can recognize yourself only by the tensions that string one minute to the next. And yet I keep lying by describing because how else can I avoid this second and the one after it? This being in the condition itself, the relentless need to escape a moment that never ends.

sure so this is, from about two-thirds of the way through the book and it's in the voice of michael (reading) what do you fear when you fear everything? time passing and not passing death and life i could say. my lungs never filled with enough air. no matter how many puffs of my, inhaler i took or that my thoughts moved, too quickly to complete severed by perpetual vigilance but even to say this would abet the lie, that terror can. be described when anyone who's ever known it, knows that, it has no components but is instead; everywhere inside you all. the time. until you can recognize yourself only by the tensions that string one minute to the next and, yet i keep lying, by describing because how else can i avoid this second. and the, one after it? this being in the, condition itself the relentless need to, escape a moment, that never

Sure So this, is from about two-thirds of the way. through the book and it's in the voice of Michael (Reading) What do you fear when you fear everything? Time passing and not passing Death and life I could say my lungs never filled with enough air no matter how many puffs of my inhaler I took or that my thoughts moved too quickly to complete severed by perpetual vigilance But even to say this would abet the lie that terror can be described when anyone who's ever known it knows that it has no components but, is. instead everywhere inside you all the time until you can recognize, yourself only by the tensions that string one minute, to, the next And yet I keep lying by describing. because how else can I avoid this second and the one after it? This being in the condition itself the relentless need to, escape a moment that never

sure. so this is from about two-thirds of the way through the book and it's in the voice of michael. (reading) what do you fear when you fear everything? time passing and not passing. death and life. i could say my lungs never filled with enough air no matter how many puffs of my inhaler i took or that my thoughts moved too quickly to complete, severed by perpetual vigilance. but even to say this would abet the lie that terror can be described when anyone who's ever known it knows that it has no components but is instead everywhere inside you all the time until you can recognize yourself only by the tensions that string one minute to the next. and yet i keep lying by describing because how else can i avoid this second and the one after it? this being in the condition itself, the relentless need to escape a moment that never ends.

Boy. May I ask how you know that?

boy may i ask how you know

Boy May I, ask how you know

boy. may i ask how you know that?

Sure. I mean, the truth is that I'm no stranger to mental illness. You know, my father committed suicide when I was 14. My brother indeed suffered from anxiety. And I've been no stranger to those states myself, luckily, for some unknown reason, not in the same severity of my father or brother. But when I came as a fiction writer to this material, I needed to find a way not so much to tell the story of my family but to tell a kind of counterfactual history, a sense of what might have been. Because I think in a sense we all carry some kind of guilt or regret about how we could have treated people we loved who were in trouble. And so I sort of needed that imaginary space to investigate that. And that was sort of the inspiration for the book.

sure i mean the, truth is. that, i'm no stranger to mental illness you know my father committed, suicide when i was 14. my brother indeed suffered, from anxiety. and i've been no stranger to. those states myself luckily for some unknown reason not in the same severity of my father or brother but when i came as a fiction writer to this material, i needed to find a way not so much to tell the story; of my family but to tell a kind of counterfactual history. a sense of what might have been because i think in a. sense we all carry some kind of guilt or regret about how we could have treated people, we loved who were in trouble and, so i sort of needed that imaginary space to investigate that and that was sort of the inspiration for the

Sure I mean the truth is that I'm no stranger to mental illness You know my father committed suicide when I was 14. My brother indeed. suffered from anxiety And I've been no stranger to those states, myself luckily for some unknown reason not in the same severity, of my father or brother But when, I came as a fiction writer to this material I needed to find a way not so much to tell the story of my family but to tell a kind of counterfactual history a sense of what might have been Because I think in a, sense we all carry some kind of guilt or regret about, how. we could have treated people we loved who were, in trouble And, so I sort of needed that imaginary space to investigate that And that was sort of the inspiration for the

sure. i mean, the truth is that i'm no stranger to mental illness. you know, my father committed suicide when i was 14. my brother indeed suffered from anxiety. and i've been no stranger to those states myself, luckily, for some unknown reason, not in the same severity of my father or brother. but when i came as a fiction writer to this material, i needed to find a way not so much to tell the story of my family but to tell a kind of counterfactual history, a sense of what might have been. because i think in a sense we all carry some kind of guilt or regret about how we could have treated people we loved who were in trouble. and so i sort of needed that imaginary space to investigate that. and that was sort of the inspiration for the book.

I guess novels have been doing that for a couple centuries, haven't they?

i guess novels have been doing that for a couple centuries, haven't

I guess novels. have been doing that for a. couple centuries haven't

i guess novels have been doing that for a couple centuries, haven't they?

Yes, indeed, indeed.

yes indeed

Yes indeed

yes, indeed, indeed.

One of the themes - one of the more mundane but certainly important themes that runs through the book is the usefulness of medication or not.

one of. the themes - one of the more. mundane but certainly important themes that runs through the book is. the usefulness of. medication or

One of the themes - one of, the more mundane but certainly important, themes that runs through the book is the usefulness of medication or

one of the themes - one of the more mundane but certainly important themes that runs through the book is the usefulness of medication or not.

Yeah, I think the question for the characters in the book is always what is first going to offer relief, but then what is it making of them? And I think - you know, I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't have a view or an opinion on what any person should or shouldn't do - but what I do want to represent and what I do want to get at is the often agonizing and difficult relationship people have to these medications and the back and forth because mental illness is not something that stays in place. It's not a fixed entity. Over the course of a life, it waxes and wanes. And people's way of coping with it waxes and wanes too.

yeah i think the question for the characters in the book is always. what is first going, to offer, relief but then what is it making, of them? and i think - you know i'm not a psychiatrist and i don't have a view or an opinion on what any person should or shouldn't do - but what i. do want to represent and what i do want to get at is the often agonizing and difficult relationship people have to these medications and the back and forth because mental illness is not, something. that stays in place. it's not a fixed entity, over the course of a life, it, waxes and wanes and people's way of coping with it waxes and wanes

Yeah I think the question for the characters in the book is always what is first. going to offer relief but then what is, it making of them? And I think - you know I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't, have a view or an opinion on what any person should or shouldn't do - but what I do want to represent and. what I do want to get at is the. often agonizing. and difficult relationship people have to these medications and the back and forth because mental illness is not; something that, stays in place It's not a fixed entity Over the course, of a life it waxes and, wanes And people's way of coping with it waxes and wanes

yeah, i think the question for the characters in the book is always what is first going to offer relief, but then what is it making of them? and i think - you know, i'm not a psychiatrist and i don't have a view or an opinion on what any person should or shouldn't do - but what i do want to represent and what i do want to get at is the often agonizing and difficult relationship people have to these medications and the back and forth because mental illness is not something that stays in place. it's not a fixed entity. over the course of a life, it waxes and wanes. and people's way of coping with it waxes and wanes too.

Yeah. Now that you've written this novel and talked a bit about your family history, any new thinking about why so many creative people seem to be troubled at the same time?

yeah now that you've written this novel and talked a, bit about your family history any new thinking about. why so many creative people seem to be troubled at the, same

Yeah Now that you've written this novel and talked a; bit about your family, history any new thinking about why so many creative people seem to be troubled at; the same

yeah. now that you've written this novel and talked a bit about your family history, any new thinking about why so many creative people seem to be troubled at the same time?

Well, I mean, it's sometimes said that you don't choose your material, your material chooses you. So I suppose there's a way in which when people go through the experience of seeing others close to them suffer or to suffer in that rather private and sometimes shameful way, there's a need to communicate. And one of the ironies or paradoxes of writing is that in order to communicate, you have to withdraw into solitude. And you have to concentrate for a good long time in order to figure out the words that are required. So - and that solitude itself can be healing. This book was a cathartic book to write.

well i mean it's sometimes said that you don't choose your material your material, chooses you so i suppose there's a way in which when people go. through the experience of seeing others close to them suffer or to suffer in that, rather private and sometimes shameful way there's a, need to communicate and one of the ironies. or, paradoxes of writing is that; in order to, communicate you have to withdraw into, solitude and you have to concentrate for a good long; time in, order to figure out. the words that, are required so - and that. solitude itself can be healing this book was a cathartic book to,

Well I mean it's sometimes said that you don't choose, your. material your material. chooses you So I suppose there's. a way in which when people go through the experience, of seeing others close to them suffer or to suffer in that rather private and sometimes shameful way there's a need to communicate, And one of, the ironies or paradoxes of writing is, that in order to communicate you have to withdraw into solitude And you have to concentrate. for a good long time in order to figure out the words that are required. So - and that solitude itself can. be healing This book was a cathartic book to

well, i mean, it's sometimes said that you don't choose your material, your material chooses you. so i suppose there's a way in which when people go through the experience of seeing others close to them suffer or to suffer in that rather private and sometimes shameful way, there's a need to communicate. and one of the ironies or paradoxes of writing is that in order to communicate, you have to withdraw into solitude. and you have to concentrate for a good long time in order to figure out the words that are required. so - and that solitude itself can be healing. this book was a cathartic book to write.

Adam Haslett - his novel, "Imagine Me Gone." Thanks so much for being with us.

adam haslett - his novel "imagine me gone" thanks so much for being. with

Adam Haslett - his novel "Imagine. Me Gone" Thanks so much for being with

adam haslett - his novel, "imagine me gone." thanks so much for being with us.

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Five years ago, the war was just beginning.

five years ago, the war was just

Five years ago the war was just

five years ago, the war was just beginning.

I was covering the conflict from Washington from MORNING EDITION, interviewing people like Andy Kohut of the Pew Research Center.

i was covering the conflict from. washington from morning edition interviewing people like andy kohut of the pew research

I was covering the conflict from Washington from MORNING EDITION interviewing people like Andy Kohut of the Pew Research

i was covering the conflict from washington from morning edition, interviewing people like andy kohut of the pew research center.

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Andy, tell me where is U.S. public opinion right now on this?

andy tell me where is u.s public opinion right now, on

Andy tell me where is U.S public opinion right now on

andy, tell me where is u.s. public opinion right now on this?

U.S. public opinion is rallying to the president's decision to go to war. After the president's speech on Monday night, levels of support, it went from the high 50 level almost to the 70 percent level.

u.s public opinion is, rallying to the president's. decision to go to war after the president's. speech on, monday night levels of support it went from the high 50 level almost to the 70 percent

U.S public, opinion is rallying to the president's decision to go, to war After the president's, speech on. Monday night levels of support it went from the high 50 level almost to the 70 percent,

u.s. public opinion is rallying to the president's decision to go to war. after the president's speech on monday night, levels of support, it went from the high 50 level almost to the 70 percent level.

Well, Alex, support might have been high, but there were also plenty of protests. And that's what I was covering back then. I went to one of the largest anti-war demonstrations in Southern California on Hollywood Boulevard.

well alex support might have been high but there were also plenty of protests and that's what i was covering back then i went to one of the largest anti-war demonstrations in southern california on hollywood

Well. Alex support might have been high but there were also plenty of protests And that's what I was covering back then. I went to one of the largest. anti-war demonstrations in Southern. California on Hollywood

well, alex, support might have been high, but there were also plenty of protests. and that's what i was covering back then. i went to one of the largest anti-war demonstrations in southern california on hollywood boulevard.

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Tom, thanks very much. We want to get to a reporter who's with us now, Alex Cohen. She's with us from Los Angeles in front of the CNN building. And Alex, as I understand there's a demonstration underway there.

tom thanks very much we want to get to a reporter who's with us now alex cohen she's with us from los angeles in front of the cnn building. and alex as i understand there's a demonstration underway

Tom thanks very much We. want to get to a reporter; who's with us now Alex, Cohen She's with us from Los Angeles in front of, the CNN building And Alex as I understand there's a demonstration underway

tom, thanks very much. we want to get to a reporter who's with us now, alex cohen. she's with us from los angeles in front of the cnn building. and alex, as i understand there's a demonstration underway there.

Yes, there is Neal. It began about an hour ago at the corner of Hollywood and Vine.

yes there is neal it began about an hour ago at the corner of hollywood and

Yes there is Neal It began about an hour ago at the corner of Hollywood and

yes, there is neal. it began about an hour ago at the corner of hollywood and vine.

This past weekend, to mark the fifth anniversary of the war, protestors came back to that very same block of Hollywood Boulevard.

this. past, weekend to mark the fifth anniversary of the war protestors came. back to that very same block of. hollywood

This, past weekend to mark the fifth anniversary of the war protestors came back to that; very same, block of. Hollywood

this past weekend, to mark the fifth anniversary of the war, protestors came back to that very same block of hollywood boulevard.

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Among the crowd gathered was Kathleen Schwartz of North Hollywood, who came to the demonstration before she headed off to a UCLA basketball game. She was shading herself from the sun with a yellow umbrella.

among the crowd gathered was. kathleen schwartz. of north hollywood who came to the demonstration. before she headed, off to a ucla basketball game she was shading herself from the sun, with a yellow

Among the crowd gathered was Kathleen Schwartz of North Hollywood. who came, to the. demonstration before, she headed, off to a UCLA, basketball game She was shading, herself from the sun with a yellow

among the crowd gathered was kathleen schwartz of north hollywood, who came to the demonstration before she headed off to a ucla basketball game. she was shading herself from the sun with a yellow umbrella.

Can you remember back five years ago when all of this began, what were you doing then?

can you remember back five years ago when all; of this began what. were you doing

Can you remember back five years ago when all of this began what were you doing

can you remember back five years ago when all of this began, what were you doing then?

I wasn't doing anything like this. I never thought that it would get to this point. I'm going to show you something. On my umbrella here, this is when I started. I thought it was only going to be a few people dying.

i wasn't doing anything like, this i never thought that, it. would get to this point i'm going to show you something on, my umbrella here this is when i, started i thought it was only going to be a few people

I wasn't, doing anything like this, I never thought that it would get to this point I'm going to show, you. something On my umbrella here this is when I started I thought it was only; going to be a few people

i wasn't doing anything like this. i never thought that it would get to this point. i'm going to show you something. on my umbrella here, this is when i started. i thought it was only going to be a few people dying.

And can you read what that says?

and can you read what that

And. can you read what that

and can you read what that says?

It says Bush Lied, Thousands Died. And then I've crossed out every time there's another hundred people dying. And now we're only 13 short of 4,000 and it's just, it's devastating to me. It's just absolutely incredibly devastating.

it says bush, lied thousands died and then i've crossed out every. time there's another, hundred people dying and now we're only 13 short of, 4,000 and it's just it's devastating to me it's just absolutely incredibly

It says Bush Lied Thousands Died And then. I've crossed out every time there's another hundred people dying And now we're only, 13 short of; 4,000 and it's just it's devastating to me It's just. absolutely incredibly

it says bush lied, thousands died. and then i've crossed out every time there's another hundred people dying. and now we're only 13 short of 4,000 and it's just, it's devastating to me. it's just absolutely incredibly devastating.

There were a lot of people on Hollywood Boulevard last weekend, but as Kathy agreed, not nearly as many as there were here five years ago.

there were a lot of people on, hollywood boulevard last weekend but as kathy agreed not nearly as many as there were here five years

There were a lot of people on. Hollywood Boulevard last weekend but as Kathy agreed not. nearly. as many as there were here five years

there were a lot of people on hollywood boulevard last weekend, but as kathy agreed, not nearly as many as there were here five years ago.

There are thousands of people that think this war is wrong. And they may be aren't here publicly doing it, but they do believe.

there are thousands of people that think this war is wrong, and they may be aren't here publicly doing, it but they do

There are thousands of people that think this war, is, wrong And they may be aren't here publicly doing it. but they do

there are thousands of people that think this war is wrong. and they may be aren't here publicly doing it, but they do believe.

Why do you think people don't come out? Why do you think people might oppose...

why do you think people don't come out? why do you, think people might

Why do you think people, don't come out? Why do you think people might,

why do you think people don't come out? why do you think people might oppose...

It's hard, it's tough. I'll tell you one thing here, okay? My game starts at 3:00 o'clock, the UCLA. You know, this is Southern California. We've got soccer games, we've got work. We got to do this, we've got to that.

it's hard it's tough i'll tell you one thing here okay? my game starts at, 3:00 o'clock the ucla you know this, is. southern california we've got soccer games we've, got work we got to do this we've got to,

It's hard it's tough I'll tell you. one thing here, okay? My game starts at 3:00 o'clock the UCLA, You know this is Southern California, We've got soccer games, we've got work We, got to do, this we've got to

it's hard, it's tough. i'll tell you one thing here, okay? my game starts at 3:00 o'clock, the ucla. you know, this is southern california. we've got soccer games, we've got work. we got to do this, we've got to that.

Brian Becker is the national coordinator of the Act Now to Stop War and End Racism, or ANSWER Coalition, the group that sponsored Saturday's rally.

brian, becker is. the national coordinator of, the act now, to stop war and end racism or answer coalition the group that sponsored saturday's

Brian Becker is the national coordinator of the Act Now to Stop War and End Racism or ANSWER Coalition the group that sponsored Saturday's

brian becker is the national coordinator of the act now to stop war and end racism, or answer coalition, the group that sponsored saturday's rally.

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bye, bye. all right, will, i know you've got another challenge in your pocket for all of us to play for next week. what is it?

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In January, President Trump issued a travel ban on some Muslim-majority countries. And then some states sued. Now President Trump has revised that ban. Here's Attorney General Jeff Sessions announcing the new order.

in january president trump issued a travel ban on, some muslim-majority countries and then some states sued now, president trump has revised that ban here's. attorney, general jeff sessions announcing the new

In January President. Trump issued a travel ban on some Muslim-majority countries And then some states sued Now President; Trump has revised that ban Here's Attorney General Jeff. Sessions. announcing the new,

in january, president trump issued a travel ban on some muslim-majority countries. and then some states sued. now president trump has revised that ban. here's attorney general jeff sessions announcing the new order.

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The Department of Justice believes that this executive order, just as the first executive order, is a lawful and proper exercise of presidential authority.

the department of justice believes. that, this executive order just as the. first executive order is a, lawful and proper exercise of presidential

The Department of Justice. believes that this; executive; order just as the first executive order is a lawful and proper exercise of presidential

the department of justice believes that this executive order, just as the first executive order, is a lawful and proper exercise of presidential authority.

And yet, the lawsuits are coming down the pike once again. A challenge brought by the state of Hawaii claims that the executive order would have a negative impact on tourism. Another challenge being heard in federal court today takes issue with the impact on refugees. And there is still a third suit, this one brought by six states, which wants federal courts to issue a hold on the order before it goes into effect Thursday. That's to give courts enough time to judge the order's constitutionality. The U.S. Justice Department filed papers yesterday asking the judge not to grant the injunction, arguing that the new order passes judicial muster. I spoke with the man leading one of the law suits, Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson.

and yet the lawsuits. are, coming down the pike once again a challenge brought by the state of hawaii claims that the executive order would. have. a negative. impact on tourism another challenge being heard in; federal. court today takes issue with the impact, on refugees and, there is still a third suit this one brought by six states which wants federal courts to issue a hold on, the order, before it goes; into effect thursday that's to give courts enough time to judge the order's constitutionality the u.s justice department filed papers yesterday asking the judge not to grant. the injunction arguing that, the new order, passes; judicial muster i spoke with the man leading, one of the law, suits washington state. attorney general bob

And yet the lawsuits are coming down the pike once again A challenge brought by the state of Hawaii claims that the executive, order would have a negative impact on tourism Another challenge being, heard, in federal court. today takes issue with the impact on refugees And there is. still a, third suit this one brought. by six states which wants federal courts to issue a hold on the order before it goes into effect Thursday That's to give courts enough time to judge the order's, constitutionality The U.S Justice Department filed papers yesterday asking the judge not. to grant, the injunction arguing that the, new order passes judicial muster I spoke. with the man leading one of the law suits Washington state Attorney General Bob

and yet, the lawsuits are coming down the pike once again. a challenge brought by the state of hawaii claims that the executive order would have a negative impact on tourism. another challenge being heard in federal court today takes issue with the impact on refugees. and there is still a third suit, this one brought by six states, which wants federal courts to issue a hold on the order before it goes into effect thursday. that's to give courts enough time to judge the order's constitutionality. the u.s. justice department filed papers yesterday asking the judge not to grant the injunction, arguing that the new order passes judicial muster. i spoke with the man leading one of the law suits, washington state attorney general bob ferguson.

Why don't the changes made by the Trump administration to this executive order satisfy you?

why don't the changes made by the. trump administration to this executive order satisfy

Why don't the changes made by the Trump administration to this executive order, satisfy.

why don't the changes made by the trump administration to this executive order satisfy you?

Yeah. That's an important question. And you're right. There have been some significant changes. For example, the revised order no longer applies to green card holders. That's hundreds of thousands of people. It does not apply to folks who have travel visas already in hand. That's tens of thousands of people more. So we had a great success with our initial litigation.

yeah that's an important question and you're right there have been some significant changes for example the revised; order no longer applies to green card holders that's hundreds, of thousands of people it does not. apply to folks who have, travel visas already in, hand that's tens of thousands of people more so we; had a great success with our initial

Yeah That's an important question And you're right. There have been some significant changes For example the revised order no longer applies to green card holders That's hundreds of thousands of people It does not apply to folks who have travel. visas already in hand That's tens of thousands of people more So we. had, a great success, with our initial

yeah. that's an important question. and you're right. there have been some significant changes. for example, the revised order no longer applies to green card holders. that's hundreds of thousands of people. it does not apply to folks who have travel visas already in hand. that's tens of thousands of people more. so we had a great success with our initial litigation.

The problem is, of course, is that at a fundamental level, two provisions of the revised order are basically the same as the original. That is the refugee ban and the travel restrictions on folks from those six countries. And because those have essentially not changed - yes, they've been narrowed but they essentially remain in place - we believe the injunction established by the federal court judge here in Seattle four or five weeks ago remains in effect.

the problem is, of course is that at a fundamental level. two provisions of the revised order are basically, the same as the, original that is the refugee ban and the travel restrictions on folks from those six countries and because those have essentially not changed - yes they've been narrowed but they essentially remain in place - we believe the, injunction established by the. federal court judge here in seattle four or five weeks ago remains in

The problem is of course is that at a fundamental level two provisions of the revised, order are basically the same as the original That is the refugee ban and, the travel restrictions on folks from, those six countries And because those. have essentially not changed - yes they've been narrowed but they essentially remain in. place - we believe; the injunction established by the federal, court judge, here in; Seattle four or five weeks. ago. remains in

the problem is, of course, is that at a fundamental level, two provisions of the revised order are basically the same as the original. that is the refugee ban and the travel restrictions on folks from those six countries. and because those have essentially not changed - yes, they've been narrowed but they essentially remain in place - we believe the injunction established by the federal court judge here in seattle four or five weeks ago remains in effect.

There has been a change to the refugee ban in that Syrian refugees are no longer banned indefinitely, as they were.

there has been a change to the refugee ban in that syrian refugees are no longer banned indefinitely as they

There has been a change to the refugee. ban in. that Syrian refugees are no longer banned indefinitely as they

there has been a change to the refugee ban in that syrian refugees are no longer banned indefinitely, as they were.

That's correct. But everything else, if you compare the language of the original order and the revised order when it comes to the refugee ban without exception, they're virtually the same. And so our belief is that the injunction established remains in effect for the revised order.

that's correct but everything else if you compare the language of the original. order and the revised order when it comes to the refugee ban without exception they're virtually the same, and so our belief is that the injunction established remains in effect for the revised

That's correct But everything else if you compare the language of the original order and the revised order when it comes to the refugee. ban without exception they're virtually the same And so our belief is; that the injunction established remains in effect for the revised

that's correct. but everything else, if you compare the language of the original order and the revised order when it comes to the refugee ban without exception, they're virtually the same. and so our belief is that the injunction established remains in effect for the revised order.

So let's take a step back and just remember what your original case was and why you think it still holds with this revised order. Administration officials, including Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, have said this is not a ban. It's a temporary pause on certain countries where we don't understand really what the vetting systems are, and they're not up to snuff as we see it. So what's wrong with the new administration in wanting to just double check these vetting procedures?

so let's take a step, back and just remember what your original case was and why you think it still holds with this revised order administration officials including. homeland security secretary john kelly have said this is not a ban it's a, temporary pause. on certain countries where we don't understand really, what the vetting systems are and they're not up to snuff as we see it, so what's wrong with the new, administration in wanting to just double check these vetting

So let's take a step back and just remember. what your. original; case was and why you think it. still holds. with this revised order Administration officials including Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly have said this is not a ban. It's a temporary. pause on certain countries where we. don't understand really what the vetting systems are and they're not up to snuff as, we see it So what's, wrong with the new administration in wanting to just double check these vetting

so let's take a step back and just remember what your original case was and why you think it still holds with this revised order. administration officials, including homeland security secretary john kelly, have said this is not a ban. it's a temporary pause on certain countries where we don't understand really what the vetting systems are, and they're not up to snuff as we see it. so what's wrong with the new administration in wanting to just double check these vetting procedures?

Sure. Well, the administration does have and the president has broad authority when it comes to immigration issues but those are not unchecked. It's our position that despite what the administration is saying now is what we're looking at is what Donald Trump said when he was running for president.

sure well, the administration does have and, the president has broad authority; when it comes to immigration, issues but those are not unchecked it's our, position that despite, what the administration is saying now is what we're looking at is what donald trump said when he was running for

Sure Well the administration does have and the president; has broad authority when it comes to immigration issues but those are not unchecked It's our, position that despite what the administration is saying now is what we're looking at is what Donald Trump said when he. was running for

sure. well, the administration does have and the president has broad authority when it comes to immigration issues but those are not unchecked. it's our position that despite what the administration is saying now is what we're looking at is what donald trump said when he was running for president.

He said he wanted to create a Muslim ban. Rudy Giuliani, one of his key advisers, said after the election that Donald Trump asked him to create a Muslim ban but just make it legal. That is strong evidence that the intent behind these executive orders was actually less about national security and more about a Muslim ban.

he said he wanted to create a muslim ban, rudy giuliani. one of; his. key advisers said after the election that donald trump asked, him to create a muslim ban but just make it legal that is strong evidence that the intent behind these executive, orders was actually less about national security and more about a; muslim

He said he wanted to create a Muslim ban Rudy Giuliani one of his key advisers said after the election that Donald Trump asked him. to create a Muslim ban but just make it legal That is strong evidence that the intent behind these executive orders was actually less about national security and more about a Muslim

he said he wanted to create a muslim ban. rudy giuliani, one of his key advisers, said after the election that donald trump asked him to create a muslim ban but just make it legal. that is strong evidence that the intent behind these executive orders was actually less about national security and more about a muslim ban.

So that's - that continues to be the basis for your lawsuit is this idea of intention when it comes to this executive order. But can't the administration just argue that they changed their mind, that even if the president had said explicitly on the campaign trail, I want a Muslim man, can't the administration argue that that is no longer the case?

so that's - that continues to be the basis for your lawsuit is this, idea of intention when it comes to this executive order but can't the administration just argue that. they changed their, mind that even if the president had said explicitly on the, campaign trail i. want, a muslim man can't the administration argue that that is no longer the

So that's - that continues to be the basis for your lawsuit is this idea; of intention when it comes, to this executive order But can't the administration just argue that they changed their mind that even, if the, president had said explicitly on, the campaign trail I want a Muslim man can't the administration. argue that. that is no longer the

so that's - that continues to be the basis for your lawsuit is this idea of intention when it comes to this executive order. but can't the administration just argue that they changed their mind, that even if the president had said explicitly on the campaign trail, i want a muslim man, can't the administration argue that that is no longer the case?

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As oil prices go up, interest in more efficient energy technologies is also rising. With one method, called combined heat and power, companies take the steam heat used to heat a building and use it to generate electricity as well. From Boston, NPR's Chris Arnold reports.

as oil prices go; up interest in more efficient energy technologies is. also rising with one method, called combined heat and power companies take the steam heat used. to. heat a building; and use it to generate electricity as well from boston npr's chris arnold

As oil prices go up interest in more efficient. energy, technologies is also rising; With one method called combined heat and, power, companies take the; steam heat used to heat a building and use it; to generate electricity as, well From Boston NPR's Chris Arnold

as oil prices go up, interest in more efficient energy technologies is also rising. with one method, called combined heat and power, companies take the steam heat used to heat a building and use it to generate electricity as well. from boston, npr's chris arnold reports.

Environmentalists for a long time have tried to promote combined heat and power systems because they're very efficient. They're widely used in parts of Europe, but in the US, they've been largely ignored, in part because doing things the old way has just been cheaper. But that's changing.

environmentalists for a long time have tried, to promote combined heat and power systems because they're very, efficient they're, widely used in parts of europe but in the us they've been largely ignored in part because doing things the old way, has just been. cheaper, but that's

Environmentalists for a long time have tried to promote combined heat and power, systems because they're very efficient, They're widely used in parts of Europe but in the US they've been largely ignored in part, because doing things the. old way. has just been cheaper But that's

environmentalists for a long time have tried to promote combined heat and power systems because they're very efficient. they're widely used in parts of europe, but in the us, they've been largely ignored, in part because doing things the old way has just been cheaper. but that's changing.

Five years ago, a plant like this wouldn't have made economic sense given what we were paying for steam and electricity at the time.

five years ago a plant like, this wouldn't have made economic sense given what we were paying for, steam and electricity at the

Five. years ago a; plant like this. wouldn't, have made economic sense given what we, were, paying for steam and electricity at the

five years ago, a plant like this wouldn't have made economic sense given what we were paying for steam and electricity at the time.

Edward Dondero is director of facilities for Biogen Idec, a large biotech company in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He's down in a deep basement under a new office building where construction's under way on a combined heat and power plant. Iron workers and pipe fitters are sending sparks flying down from the intricate system of girders, conduits and water, steam and gas pipes.

edward, dondero is director of facilities for biogen idec a large, biotech company, in cambridge massachusetts he's down in a deep. basement under a, new office building where construction's under way. on a combined heat and power, plant iron workers and, pipe fitters are sending sparks flying down from the intricate system of girders conduits and water steam and gas

Edward Dondero is director of facilities. for; Biogen Idec a large biotech company in Cambridge Massachusetts He's down in, a deep basement under a. new office building where construction's under. way on, a combined heat, and power; plant. Iron workers and pipe fitters are sending, sparks flying down from the intricate system of girders conduits and water steam and gas

edward dondero is director of facilities for biogen idec, a large biotech company in cambridge, massachusetts. he's down in a deep basement under a new office building where construction's under way on a combined heat and power plant. iron workers and pipe fitters are sending sparks flying down from the intricate system of girders, conduits and water, steam and gas pipes.

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Right now we're 32 feet below grade. We've got a five-megawatt turbine down here attached to the back of a heat recovery steam generator and two 50,000-pound-an-hour boilers.

right now. we're 32 feet below grade we've got, a. five-megawatt turbine down, here attached to the back of a heat recovery, steam generator and two 50,000-pound-an-hour

Right now we're 32 feet below grade We've got a five-megawatt turbine down here attached to the, back of a heat recovery steam generator and two 50,000-pound-an-hour,

right now we're 32 feet below grade. we've got a five-megawatt turbine down here attached to the back of a heat recovery steam generator and two 50,000-pound-an-hour boilers.

The natural gas-fired boilers here will heat Biogen's buildings and make steam for its manufacturing process, but what's unusual is that same steam will also be sent through this turbine. Its spinning blades will generate enough electricity to power the nearly one million square feet of offices and labs here. Since the steam is doing two jobs at once, the system is twice as efficient as stand-alone boilers or electric power plants. Dondero says that's a lot more important these days. Electricity is getting more expensive here and the price of steam the company pipes in from a local utility has triple.

the natural gas-fired. boilers. here will heat biogen's buildings and make steam for its manufacturing process but what's unusual is, that same steam will also be sent through. this turbine, its spinning blades will generate enough electricity to power the nearly one million, square feet of offices and labs here since the steam is. doing two jobs at once the, system is twice as efficient as stand-alone boilers or electric power plants dondero; says that's, a lot more important these days electricity is getting more expensive here and the price, of steam the company pipes in from a local utility has

The natural gas-fired, boilers here will, heat Biogen's. buildings and make steam for its manufacturing. process but what's, unusual is that same, steam will also, be sent through this turbine Its spinning. blades will generate enough electricity; to power the nearly one, million. square feet of offices and labs here Since the steam is doing two jobs at, once. the system is twice as efficient as stand-alone boilers or electric, power plants Dondero says that's a lot more important these days Electricity is getting more. expensive here and the, price of steam the company pipes in, from a local utility has

the natural gas-fired boilers here will heat biogen's buildings and make steam for its manufacturing process, but what's unusual is that same steam will also be sent through this turbine. its spinning blades will generate enough electricity to power the nearly one million square feet of offices and labs here. since the steam is doing two jobs at once, the system is twice as efficient as stand-alone boilers or electric power plants. dondero says that's a lot more important these days. electricity is getting more expensive here and the price of steam the company pipes in from a local utility has triple.

It will be economically viable. It will save us in excess of $3 million a year.

it, will be economically viable it will save us in excess of $3 million a

It will be economically viable It will save us in excess of $3 million a

it will be economically viable. it will save us in excess of $3 million a year.

Since this new on-site power plant costs around $9 million, Dondero says it should pay for itself in just three years.

since this new on-site power plant costs around $9 million dondero says it should pay for itself in. just three

Since. this new on-site power plant costs around $9 million. Dondero says it should, pay, for itself in just. three

since this new on-site power plant costs around $9 million, dondero says it should pay for itself in just three years.

These numbers do not hold true for many regions of the US where electricity is cheaper, and a lot of businesses don't want to spend time and money learning how to do all this, especially with energy prices so volatile and unpredictable. But in more places, some businesspeople have decided that these more efficient systems do make economic sense. Frank Frankini is senior vice president with Equity Office Properties, which owns some 625 buildings across the US.

these numbers do not hold true for many regions of the us where electricity is. cheaper and a lot; of. businesses don't. want to spend time, and money learning how to do all this especially with energy prices so volatile and unpredictable, but, in more places some businesspeople have decided; that. these more efficient systems do make economic sense. frank frankini is senior vice president with equity office properties which owns some 625 buildings across, the

These numbers do not hold true for many regions of the US where electricity is cheaper, and a lot of businesses don't want to spend time and money learning how to do all this especially with energy prices so, volatile and unpredictable But, in more places. some businesspeople have decided that; these more efficient systems do make economic sense Frank Frankini is senior vice president with, Equity Office Properties, which owns some 625 buildings, across the

these numbers do not hold true for many regions of the us where electricity is cheaper, and a lot of businesses don't want to spend time and money learning how to do all this, especially with energy prices so volatile and unpredictable. but in more places, some businesspeople have decided that these more efficient systems do make economic sense. frank frankini is senior vice president with equity office properties, which owns some 625 buildings across the us.

Yes, properties within the right states, where the alternative cost of electricity was extremely high; areas of California, New York and Chicago fall into that category.

yes properties within the right states where the alternative cost of electricity was, extremely high areas of california new york and chicago fall into that

Yes properties within the right states where the, alternative cost of electricity was extremely high areas of California, New York and Chicago fall into that

yes, properties within the right states, where the alternative cost of electricity was extremely high; areas of california, new york and chicago fall into that category.

Equity Offices put combined heat and power systems into 19 of its buildings in those regions in the past two and a half years, and Frankini says he could see such systems working in as many as a hundred other buildings that he oversees. But he says there are obstacles. He says different power utilities have wildly different attitudes about this technology.

equity offices put combined heat and power systems into 19 of; its buildings in those regions in the past two and a half years and frankini says, he could see such systems working in as many as a hundred other buildings that he oversees but he says there. are obstacles he. says different power utilities have wildly different attitudes about; this

Equity Offices put combined heat. and power systems into 19 of its buildings in those regions in the past. two and a half years and, Frankini says he could see such systems working in as many, as a hundred other buildings that he oversees But, he says. there are obstacles He says different power utilities have wildly different attitudes about this

equity offices put combined heat and power systems into 19 of its buildings in those regions in the past two and a half years, and frankini says he could see such systems working in as many as a hundred other buildings that he oversees. but he says there are obstacles. he says different power utilities have wildly different attitudes about this technology.

Some of the utilities, like PG&E and ConEd, work with you and open up the technical details and say, `This is what we need to do as a team.' Some of them start off saying, `It can't be done.'

some of, the utilities like pg&e and coned work with you and open up the technical details and say `this is what we need to do as a team' some of. them start off saying `it can't be

Some of the utilities like PG&E and ConEd work with you and, open up the technical details and say `This is what we need to do as, a team' Some of, them start; off saying `It can't be

some of the utilities, like pg&e and coned, work with you and open up the technical details and say, `this is what we need to do as a team.' some of them start off saying, `it can't be done.'