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For the Love of teaching is a podcast brought to you by teachers data, we say teachers hours each week by bringing them quality downloadable teaching resources for their classrooms to make your classroom Buzz go to teach stutter.com Sometimes teaching can be tough but working with students also gives us countless opportunities to smile Joe Dombrowski AKA Mister D is a teacher and comedian who always finds the lighter side in teaching. This is Friday fun. He's with mr. D Hi mister D. Welcome back to Friday fun. He's my favorite Australian Braun. How are you today? What an honor so it's not Kylie Minogue. Oh my God. Yeah. Hello. That was beautiful welds on I guess I guess you're right. You're the second. I'll handle it. I'll handle it. Okay. I love you chose like the gay. Like you were really into your audience. I love it. Do you guys have do you guys have a guy I can let that like I guess Lady Gaga might be the America share. Oh, yes, of course share Lady Gaga Whitney Houston. We have a lot of deeper. Oh, yeah, I will say that. I've been obsessed with Australia for a while because when I was 12 years old, I watch Priscilla Queen of the Desert for the first time and I still obsessed. So hello, what are you writing? Export. Oh my gosh. Okay. Now let's we've been talking about famous performers. And I think you've got a story for me because you've just given me the tagline music concert. So ever do you do music concerts like you do like holiday concert exactly. We have a Christmas. We usually have like a Christmas concert and the children will sing all the Christmas carols and Christmas songs. So we do a lot of the same thing to every I've taught in five different schools and in every school that I've taught in every single grade has their own concert. So it's like well, this is Had great times there and it's in yeah. Yep, there they happen all the time. So when I was teaching fourth grade, I had the concert coming up and I had one kid who was very he's got he was me as a little kid just like very full of energy. It's like all extra perfect. There you go. You're all over the walls. Always trying to get a lap always pretending to fall down like he was mr. Look at me. Look at me look at me and the concert was coming up so I didn't want to single him out. So I get everyone, you know. Very very real talking to about like the professionalism of the Fanta and how you you know, you don't want to steal the Limelight from anybody else and everyone's there to see everybody and their parents are going to be looking at all the kids. You don't want to steal the scene and all of that and he really liked it because I kind of like angled it towards like this is what great performers do and he's like, oh cool, you know, so I thought he had it in the bag we get to the concert. Everything's perfect first song. Right second song great third song great fourth song. He rips off his shirt the buttons just go pop pop pop pop pop. He starts thrashing his head like a hair band metal band from the 80s and start busting out on his air guitar in the middle of the audience and did not spot for the entire song the entire time. Oh my gosh, but what can you do like that kid amazing? What a great confidence child, right? And do member would you remember when we were talking a couple weeks ago about how you don't forget your we always forget student names. Yeah, I will never forget his name because of that because I remember is the concert was done. I said, oh that is so funny. I love it. I just left yeah able to identify with him because you know, sometimes you see something like a little Sparkle something in a student and even though they're doing like the wrong thing you just think it's so interesting. Earring because you like I never want to crush that spirit. I know and that's the thing too. Like I as a teacher always my favorite ones were always the weird ones the wacky ones. The one that nobody can figure out like those are the students who I connected with the most and Connor for sure was one of those kids. Yes. I am. I reckon that's the same with me like some of my more. Yeah challenging students that I found like, oh my sometimes I want to rip my hair out with them, but there was so endearing to me and I just yeah, I'll never forget them because they're just there. If they've got a quark there's something there different from the crowd. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah extra be Connor be the weird. What do you say erase? Your weird green grapes here. We are baby. There it is. That was a perfect lat. Good job. Thanks for coming in today to join me on Friday Funnies. I'll see you next week. Thank you. Happy Friday everybody. Thanks for joining us for Friday Funnies. Don't forget to subscribe to For the Love of teaching on your favorite podcast app to get updates on all the latest episodes.

Ever had a kid in your class who takes any opportunity to be extra? Maybe it's big spirit fingers in the choir, perhaps it's an unplanned concern soloist, or just a really enthusiastic dancer in the play. Mr D had a student in the end of year concert who stole the show, and Mr D was nothing less than impressed!Mr D is coming to Australia! Check out ticket info and dates on Mr D's website so you don't miss out!He's a teacher. He's a comedian. He's officially one of Ellen Degeneres's "favourites". Joe (Mr D) Dombrowski is here to brighten up your week with his infectious laugh and hilarious stories. Brace yourself, because when it comes to dishing the dirt on teaching, kids and life in general, Joe doesn't hold back.Join us in our new For the Love of Teaching Facebook group, where we chat about the podcast, feature live vids of guests, and talk teaching!Don't miss an episode! Have you subscribed to For the Love of Teaching? Don't forget! It means you'll be the first to know whenever a new episode is released.For the Love of Teaching is a podcast by Teach Starter. We make quality, downloadable teaching resources that save teachers hours of time and make their classrooms buzz! See you next week for another dose of Friday Funnies!

This is optimal living daily episode 1392. How meaningful is your life by Christine kloosterman of Christian Guzmán.com and I'm just a moloch. Welcome back to Optimal living daily also known as the oold podcast where I read to you from some of the best blogs. I can find and get permission from covering self-help minimalism productivity anything that I think is worth your time before we get to it investing can be hard and confusing especially with ticker symbols and charts flying back and forth on business channels like it's Runway at LAX, but why should something so important to your family's future be left up to the talking heads on CNBC enter the Molly fool to give you straight talk without the fancy. Jargon and noise or used to their Flagship service stock advisor gives you two brand new stock recommendations every month with daily analysis and coverage coming directly to your inbox daily. So what are you waiting for go to www.fewdoit.com Optimal living daily to learn more and claim an exclusive discount only for listeners. Browse get right to it and start optimizing your life. How meaningful is your life by Christine kloosterman of Christine Clues men.com human beings are hard-wired to seek meaning in our lives. It's something we all Crave in urine for and research shows that having high levels of meaning in our lives is correlated with high levels of well-being as well. A perceived lack of meaning often is at the root of most depressive disorders and is in fact, one of the primary diagnostic questions trained Health practitioners asked to help determine if someone is suffering from depression a modern paradox, Research shows that most people write their lives as very full of meaning as rates of depression anxiety and social isolation are at an all-time high in our culture. Something doesn't quite add up about this in our research lab. We are questioning whether most people's lives are truly filled with an abundance of meaning or whether we might just be saying that our lives are full of meaning due to social conditioning and or wishful thinking we suspect that social bias is more often responsible for people reporting and or believing their lies are full of meaning when in fact people may find their jobs friendships romantic relationships and other major categories in their life sorely lacking in meaning our studies are currently examining this issue. What's the question one of the major challenges with studying meaning in the way we are used to thinking about meaning in our own lives is that we typically posed the question in a very broad simplistic way is your life meaningful. So the answer is a brutal yes or no. We don't believe that this Mary breakdown is a very useful barometer. However, because it's to Global requires a snap judgment and invites us to answer in the more socially acceptable affirmative. Yes, of course my life has meaning to admit otherwise my forces to confront a very different and possibly depressing reality than we like to believe a yes or no answer also misses the nuances of everyday life in which we Source meaning from many different areas in our life in any given hour on any given day. We can experience meaning at different levels, depending Going on our activities assessing meaning in your own lives because of the relationship of meaning to well-being and the relationship between the lack of meaning and depression. It is critically important to take stock of your life in this regard honestly assess which parts of your life feel full of meaning in which do not even if you think your life is already full of meaning specifically identifying your areas of strengths and weakness can help you sharpen your appreciation for the meaning that is there as well as the Meaning and areas. You hadn't thought were rewarding area by area. We believe that in assessing meaning it is best to consider each of the major areas of your life separately rather than trying to do a global assessment the breakdown of major areas might vary from person to person but for many of us, it might include romantic partnership family work social and spiritual using a 10 point scale where 1 is utterly meaningless and 10 is the most meaningful things you've ever Experienced rate each of these major areas of life in terms of how meaningful they feel to you. Be honest with yourself. Does your work feel meaningful to your interactions with your kids feel meaningful. Are you more often than not just going through the motions in a particular area? Keep in mind. No one should expect that all areas of life will be at maximum meaning it's usually the case that some areas of our life enjoy the benefit of more attention and nurturing and the others feel less meaningful, but honestly taking stock is a critical first step. The 24-hour inventory a great next step for assessing meaning is to conduct a 24-hour experiment where for one day you focus hour to hour or as often as you change activity on the level of meaning you are experiencing noting down each time what you're doing and how meaningful it feels make sure you document your impressions keeping a list of all the things that struck you as meaningful and meaningless is the best way to remember gain true awareness and begin to discover patterns. You're phone can make this easy use your note feature to keep the list always at hand with unlimited space to add more entries as they occur. You will likely be surprised at some of the things that end up on your list. Our brains are primed to remember threats disappointments frustration and negative stimuli of any kind far better than the meaningful moments. So creating a list of the meaningful activities always seems to surprise and Delight even for the Skeptics. I was certainly surprised by the many things that listed is Meaningful such as talking in my boys at night. In the birds visit the bird feeder hearing Clair de Lune come on the radio feeding a stray dog and her puppy a can of dog food sitting down to read my latest favorite fiction book and learning a new recipe for my sister over the phone. I discovered that I was Finding meaning mostly in the tiny simplest moments of the day that I would never normally have noticed or predicted. I also notice the irony that the things that felt the most meaningful to me. We're also the things I tended to rush through the things I tended to deprioritize this exercise also helped me discover. That driving is totally meaningless to me and that I spent a ton of time doing it. I realized I chatting with acquaintances before and after-school pickup felt empty to me rather than worthwhile. I went to lunch with a friend. It was surprised to record that this interaction depleted me after some reflection. I realized this was typical for my encounters for that particular person back home with my family. I noticed we're all doing our own thing around the house without anything particularly meaningful happening my results from this experiment in Me to take action deleting meaningless and avoidable activities from my routine and for the activities that are unavoidable taking on the challenge of cultivating meaning they're scanning your activities behaviors and environment for areas of meaningfulness or meaninglessness is not about berating or discounting your life yourself or the people in it. It's about becoming more curious about what you value as meaningful and more familiar with the kinds of things that move your needle or make your heart leap. And the kinds of things that leave you flat these discoveries are tremendous opportunities to optimize our lives and connect more deeply to the things we care about the most for only when we realize something can we do something about it? You just listen to The Post titled how meaningful is your life by Christine? Koosman of Christine Clues men.com. Have you ever wondered how to invest or struggle to understand how to make your money work for you? You probably want to hear about the Motley Fool. Then the Motley Fool is founded 25 years ago in a garage by Brothers Tom and David Gardner. And in those 25 years Motley Fool members got access to recommendations like AOL and 1994 before You've Got Mail was a movie Amazon in 1997 before Prime day. Thing Netflix in 2004 before you were binging stranger things and Marvel Now Walt Disney in 2004 when Tobey Maguire was still Spider-Man every month Tom and David each pick a stock and provide a deep dive and Analysis exclusively for members of their stock advisor service members get exclusive access to the stock advisor website with daily updates that cut through the noise of the financial market. So what are you waiting for go to www.fewdoit.com / optimal living daily to learn more and claim. An exclusive discount only for listeners and a big thanks to Christine. I'm a huge fan of these short life experiments like tracking what you're doing for an entire day and rating how meaningful each of those activities is. They'll definitely be enlightening reminds me of how I would track my mood every single day and write down what I did that day next to it. I know I found value in that and kind of goes hand-in-hand with this experiment. Definitely. Let me know if you try it out and how it goes. I'll leave it at that. Hope you're having a great day. Thank you for being here and listening to me and for subscribing. Going to the show. I'll be back tomorrow reading to you. So I'll see you there where your optimal life awaits.

Kristine Klussman asks how meaningful is your life. Episode 1392: How Meaningful Is Your Life? by Kristine Klussman on How to Find Meaning and Passion in Life Kristine Klussman specialized in Health Psychology (Behavioral Medicine) at Harvard Medical School, then founded and ran the Health Psychology program and post-doctoral training programs at California Pacific Medical Center in San Francisco. She found her work with cancer and cardiac patients inspiring, uplifting, and humbling. She found so many of those going through life-threatening illness were - sometimes for the first time in their lives - absolutely clear what truly mattered to them: authenticity and connection. In 2016, she founded a non-profit to focus full-time on trying to understand, explain and teach what she now believes is the single most meaningful and rewarding aspect of our existence. The original post is located here: https://www.kristineklussman.com/how-meaningful-is-your-life/ Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

Welcome to the Decades of strength podcast. We are Sam Marcy Sarah and Kim and we are for women on one Mission. We are obsessed with empowering women to gain confidence build strength and ditch feelings of unworthiness releasing the shame around your struggles is hard work, especially if you feel alone and so we wanted to create this podcast as a way to unite women of all ages from allocations.Is all sizes and shapes and really just want to invite you to sit at our table come as you are health and fitness is for everybody and we're here to remind you that you belong you matter. You are brave you are capable you are deserving of success maybe right now, you don't truly believe those things and that's okay when we first got started we didn't either but we promise that each episode. We will show up vulnerably we want you to realize your potential. And the truth of who you really are. We will help you step into success and acknowledge that the power already lies within you. If you love this podcast, Please Subscribe review and read it on iTunes and tigers in your service on Instagram. Send this to your friends, please please please just tell everyone about it. We are determined to have the biggest and the most inclusive community of women sitting at the picnic table together. Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. I am Marcy. I will be hosting today's conversation with me. I have the lovely Sarah Sam and Kim. Hey ladies, how's it going? Hello, mate. Hi sissy. Oh, yes. So let's just like chat a little bit catch people up on what we have been up to lately. We haven't really done too much of that on the podcast. So Queen why don't you take it away? She tell the tub of listeners what's been going on over in the pay of in UK? It's been raining a hell of a lot and I have just been getting overly excited about Christmas. I'm not gonna lie to you all and I tend to get a little bit carried away with himself this time of the year because I just literally love it. It makes me it makes me so happy and but life is like pretty busy obviously summer night. I have been free membership. So that kept us out of trouble for launching kept us out of trouble for a few weeks. And and yeah life is good. I went for my first flirting experience on Friday. Yeah, I don't know what that is. I saw your story idea what you were talking about. Oh my God said I literally I first one of my kind of biggest fears which is getting in an enclosed space with water. Yeah and just kind of floating in this bath full of life. Salts and magnesium and you put earplugs in so you literally it's all about like sensory deprivation and you literally lie naked and you float. It's like the dead is the dark so you should have the door closed and the lights are off. But because it was my first one I was I'm just going to keep the lights on this time, but next time I'm going dark and have the Pod completely cut but it I'd really built the fear or in my head about what it was going to be like and as With everything like I stepped into the fear and once I'd done it, I was like hell, yes. That was good. I didn't die or hyperventilate. So I think we're good because we can do this pod. Not very Fifi flour in it and it's kind of you know, you can go like starfish but it was still really enjoyable and I should be doing it. I should be doing it again. Yeah, so that's me and my life than right now. Samantha well like Sarah said we really stiff it free membership. So that was a huge accomplishment and we have like a hundred women in that group, which is awesome. So that was really exciting. And then I guess something new that I've been doing is doing more things just for fun. Like what a concept like who does like doing this stuff like it and so I started Doing Toastmasters to improve my public speaking which I'm really excited about. I had my first class last we are lost. Yeah last Tuesday. So I'm going to be going once a week to the meetings and getting better at public speaking and morning body language and cubes and how to take the stage on and just prepare myself for the future of speaking and that was scary for me actually getting up in front of a room of random people in Harvard. Yeah, I just there's something about speaking into my phone on stories. That's way easier for me than speaking to like a crowd in person. It's like I mean the camera you don't know actually how you look at least on Instagram stories you it's a selfie so you can see yours. So that was pretty scary for me actually being able to like having to go up there my first day. Talk about I had to talk about snowmen super my love. I would have loved that. I'd have been like they just give you a topic. Yeah, they ask you a question. It's called like table topics. So my question was if you built a Snowman and then it came to life. What would you do? Oh my gosh, that's so that's like so hard to how long have to prepare. No no time. You're on stage like oh my gosh improv. So and so I'm like, oh, I would love this would be a social experiment. I make it my friend and walk all through Cambridge and Somerville and like Boston and walk this thing around with me and just see what people said and I would meet all these really cool people. What was his name? What was his name? You don't think I named him to be honest, but you know it was yeah, I don't have to think about it what his name would be. So yeah, that's that's what Going on for Sam. Yeah. Well, you can so what have I been up to I 2 things I suppose I have been working really hard on my YouTube channel spending a lot of time making videos over there. I did this one where I bought like half the Panera menu and came home and reviewed it. It was super fun and my family appreciate it because they got to I was like literally taking one bite of everything and so my family get to eat all the leftover Panera food, they like that. See, I've been working really hard on YouTube and I have just finished up a three-month peaking phase deadlift peaking program that on the surface. I'm sure people would be like well, that's kind of failure. I was hoping to hit 300. I did not my previous one rep max was 270 and I got 275 I will get to 85 here shortly because I definitely have it. I just wore myself out trying 300. I also hit a bench press PR this month in that program. Um got a three pound bench PR and I've built my squat back up. I had a lot of shoulder pain. So I had to change what I was doing with squats and couldn't spot for a long time. And now I really like squats again and I'm only five pounds lower than my previous like one rep max at a meet. So I'm really excited about that and like let's just be honest for people who may not have much experience with power lifting or really heavy training 3 to 5. Pounds may not sound like a lot but when it comes to the big lifts, like it is a huge accomplishment. Like I briefly disempower lifting a couple of years ago. And even before that when I was doing my own training and trying to get stronger on my own I think with females like our relative strengths of little bit less. So five pounds even two and a half pounds for us is going to be a much bigger jump in weight than maybe a man and five pounds can like Staple you you know, just like that 5 pound jump. I remember like oh 95 pounds sounds easy lighter felt easy. Let's throw another five on the bar and I like can't even get it up. It's crazy. It's crazy with such a small amount of weight can do yes, especially on the bench, press three-pound PR on the bench. Press was huge for me. Yeah. I was so psyched about that. Yeah, that's amazing. Well, congratulations and you know, let's just kind of use that as an opportunity to You lead into today's topic, which is going to be how to get out of a fitness rut. And I know Kim before we started recording you were saying and you've mentioned a couple of times previously that you've been in a little bit of a funk with your own workouts. I know I definitely have been myself. It happens to the best of us no matter how long we've been doing this Fitness game for but why don't we start off with you just saying or telling the listeners why you were feeling? Being in a rut for a while and then what has helped you come out of it sure. So I have been powerlifting for three and a half years. Now. I always have a very set goal and often that's a goal has been a meat, you know, so I either had one planned or there was one on the horizon and I have been so busy this year with building up my business that I made a decision not to compete which in my mind is like that's fine. That's no big deal. But I just I'm So busy with my business, it was always an effort to get down to the gym. I didn't want to do it as much as I had wanted to previously and interestingly when I decided to do this I decided to do a peak in program to just try my maxes out at home and not at a meet and what I found is like that spark was revived again because I had a very specific goal. And what I realized for me is having so I'm going to definitely do a meet next year. So having something very specific that I'm training for really helps. Hmm. Yeah, absolutely, and it could be anything like it could be if somebody likes to run it could be like, you know running a 10K or it could be all kinds of things but having a really specific performance goal can help. Mhm. Yes, I can relate to that. I know a couple like I was saying earlier I went to that powerlifting gym a couple of years ago because I had basically just gotten sick of my own bullshit when it came to I only care about looking like building my Zeke, you know building muscle getting leaner whatever that was and I just kind of felt like I was spinning my wheels and my training didn't have like a real sense of purpose. So I sought out an in-person coach and I remember walking in there the first day and it was just like yeah, like a new fire had been letting her Mass. I felt so excited so invigorated, you know, long story short it ended up not being the best experience for me, but Only like in the short term it was the thing that I needed to reignite my passion for lifting. Pam's nine along. Yeah, I feel that I think for me I went through a phase earlier this year where I was training primarily for Aesthetics, and I think that training to look good is a great stepping off point, but after a while the vanity kind of loses its power and you start to kind of dress. Your training so for me like I think I was so caught up in like, oh, I gotta look better or leaner or whatever that I kind of forgot about like the whole reason why I go to the gym in the first place. And so I think when I was in that space, like I just was not interested in working out like I and even though it's a huge part of my identity and who I am and what I do, I just didn't even want to go into the gym and it felt so Of character for me, but I was just kind of like sitting with it and I'm like, I just like don't want to be there so I'm not going and I think I needed to do that in a sense because it started to help me realize like how important it is to have strength. They store some skill basical in order to kind of keep you going back to the gym to work on it because you actually start to see little baby improvements whereas physique changes. You know they take time but also you can't really control that, you know, if you put the if you put the work in to the gym, you're going to get stronger its kind of physically impossible for you to not get stronger over time. So I think when I started shifting to from aesthetic to more Performance Based goals, which my my performance or my goal really is to be like more well-rounded in the gym when it comes to strength and cardio and really get my hip thrust. Nah. Up. That's the thing. I've been chasing is really working on my hip thrust. So like having Awesome form really like feeling like I'm actually using my glutes and not other muscle groups taking over and like connecting with that and and then once I started shifting through the performance thing, I think I also cared more about like my sleep my hydration my nutrition all that stuff because I wanted to support my workouts rather than like going to the gym to work in calories or like the look better. And then I was like just I was just caught in the cycle of like Aesthetics which for me I've just in the past. I've had experience doing that and it and he gets good to set the fire but the flame will burn out. So I think it's important to have something that you're actually trying to work towards so you get excited about going to work on it. It's like you get just get a little bit better each time you go in there and it just becomes a lot more fun. We take some of the pressure off yourself. So yeah. Yeah for sure and I guess I We'll continue on from there because I am in a little bit different of a place right now. So when I had gone to the powerlifting gym a couple of years ago, and I can't remember if I've talked about this on the podcast already. I probably have but the when I walked in there to have my consultation about why I wanted to train at this gym, which by the way is like known for getting people very very strong. So if you are in power into powerlifting, Like I think this coach is created like 30 people who have you know, Elite totals, which is a feat in itself. Like it's just it's known for getting people very strong and that was incredibly encouraging exciting for me, but the guy said to me, you know, you can train here but you're going to have to gain weight. It was like, okay, I know problem is like none of us like one pound a month bullshit. Like I know you're going to try to do like you're going to gain weight on my timeline. How much and how like how much I want you to gain and how fast I want you to gain it? So for someone who has struggled with you know body image issues eating issues in the past like back in college. That was very very scary for me because I finally felt like I was in a place where I felt good about my relationship with food and the relationship I had with my body. So I started eat more I probably increased my calories like by 500 to 700. Overnight which is a lot for anyone who might be wondering and it's fun to eat that much food. But like the weight started to come on really fast and I would have to weigh in every single day and it was it was a real real struggle for sure. So I think I put on about 7:15 to 17 pounds in about 6 months which is or maybe even less than that like three months because he kicked me out for a month because I was Nine pounds away from hitting my goal weight. So I had to leave the gym for a month and I was like, I'm gonna show him and I'm going to gain the weight and come back and I did he let me back. So yeah, I probably ended up gaining around 17 pounds like throughout that process and and just did not feel like great in my body, but I kind of like hung out there for a while and just like let my body do it it needed to do I was still dealing with some health issues and I felt like going into a deficit wasn't going to support Port me getting better with that but I finally had made some changes improved my health and now I'm well about six months ago was finally at a place where I could start losing a little bit of body fat. So that is where I have been really probably for the past five months. I'm kind of ending a fat loss phase which is gone very very well. Like I'm proud of my results and all that but I will not lie. It is definitely hit like my motivation to train has taken a significant hit and I think Just because when you're not feeling your body with enough calories to really support and recover from your training like you don't have as much energy to put towards your workouts like in the day when you first start, yes, but as you get deeper into the diet, like the energy level start kind of start to decrease and that's what I was feeling just like, oh man, you're just going into the gym to basically get it done. And every time I have a work on my boyfriend's like, oh, how'd your training going? Like, can we just like not talk about it like at this point. I'm just showing up and like mail it it you know, so yeah, it really is true. There can be a benefit to losing body fat, you know, maybe you improve your confidence a little bit too. But at the end of the day like it can deplete your motivation to actually train and improve and like Sam said in that is really the fun of it is to see yourself get better to see yourself get stronger and like to set those goals and constantly having having something to be working towards and like we talked about in last week's mini episode. With recovery and the same is true with dieting like you can't diet your entire life. You can't diet all year round, you know, it has to be this kind of periodized thing. So if you can, you know find a way to motivate yourself when you're not in a fat loss phase like that's where the consistency will be created, I guess. So what about you Sarah? So I would say over the years so I went through a really intense few years of I was reading dysley aesthetic focused. So I literally trained like an absolute Maniac for kind of I'd say about a good two years and then all of that kind of started to unravel so between eyes and I was actually obsessed with training going to the gym burning calories and also that I had a kind of screwed up relationship with food it all started to take its toll and I just slowly began to fall out of love with going to the gym because I was just like I couldn't see how I was going to stop with the exercise and Food Obsession and while still going to the gym, so I kind of just stepped stepped away from it for a while just to take a complete a complete break. And then even when I entered back into it, I found it really hard because I was so conscious about not going back into my old ways of everything being about you know, the looks and the kind of you know the bodybuilding Style. Raining so kind of then I had to switch my focus on two stranded training more for strength and kind of feeling, you know, finding my purpose of going to the gym there are but in all honesty, I kind of go through waves with my training these days. I think it's still important for me in terms of I like how it makes my body feel. I'm not really supposed on the you know, the aesthetic thing anymore, but I I like I just I don't like how I feel when I haven't been training. So that's what was their me on because I like to feel good in my own skin, but definitely my whole relationship with training has kind of changed and it's not such a huge Central Focus point for me anymore. And I've kind of shifted in doing a lot more of the kind of restorative like side of things and moving more into kind of meditation and getting To do in the light floats and breath work and all this kind of stuff. So I will never not trained because you know, its it keeps me healthy. It keeps me strong and I am enjoying the fact that Sam and I were using the fit and free workouts to give us some structure because I think when you don't have any kind of structure and you go to the gym you like you just run the risk of going in and fluffing around for things through Around doing freaking bicep curls or something for two hours or something like crazy. So but yeah, it's it's tough. But I think the big thing is for listeners out. There is that if you feel that you are stuck in a rut and you have to not be somebody that all you do is complain about it and then do absolutely nothing to try and like decipher. What is Actually going on and then ask yourself. Okay. Well, how can I how can I change things for myself? Because obviously what I'm doing now is making me feel unmotivated and like I don't want to do anything. So I need to find somewhere like someone was saying to for training for injecting a bit more fun into it like so, you know, if you're finding in Everything feels a little bit too serious like summer. I know you're starting gymnastics now. Yeah, I just started gymnastics because I want to be able to To do that too. Yeah and like that's part of like working out too. It doesn't have to be like you just deadlift just bench press which I've totally fallen into that like very rigid set of thinking in the past where it's like no I can only do this thing because I'm supposed to I think I so not being fair to like Branch out and try different like modalities of our different styles of trading. The end and just decide in like, you know, what suits you and if you are stuck in a rut don't just keep beating your head against a brick wall. Hoping that it's going to get better because it work like you need to actually be proactive and you know, maybe switch switch things up and you helped me when I was in London. I was going through a rut and I think I told you about it and I was like, I just can't get myself to the gym. Like I'm going randomly and what the issue was was it was a matter of logistics. So maybe like if you're listening maybe if you're in a rut, it could just be like a purely logistical issue where there's some mental resistance that you've built up to training because of something. So for example, my thing was I didn't leave myself enough time to work out in the afternoon. So I would end up going at rush hour, which was fine, but then I would not even leave myself enough time. Rush hour, so like I wouldn't have I didn't make the time to work out and then I would feel like crap and I was like as a coach I got to get into the gym. Like I'm not even practicing when I'm preaching and so it felt really inauthentic and it was just a matter of scheduling my workouts into my Google Calendar as if it was a doctor's appointment, you know, just doing it in the middle of the day because that's where shit hits the fan for me as midday. So if I work out midday and helped me kind of stay on track not just like eat. Or because I'm bored like not procrastinate and so it was fixing all these problems just by stepping back and looking at like what's not working and why is it not working and now it's like I train probably 5 or 6 days a week. I don't like crazy lift five or six days a week, but I'm consistent because I enjoy it and it's like I don't have to go and I'm not there's not all this like, oh, I have to go there. It's more just like yeah, I have to do this for myself and I want to do it because it makes me feel good and I can actually do my When I feel good, so I think that was a huge shift for me is realizing like without the gym or without working out. I feel like trash when I feel like trash I can't show up for myself or my friends or my work or you and well I have things to do so I have to go to the gym. It's you know, like that's the thing. I think people still are so hung up about our on the motivation piece. I'm not motivated. How do I get motivated? And I'll just be perfectly honest like most days. I am not motivated to lift like the thought of actually like getting downstairs and doing the workout was like, oh man. I think I've said this recently. I actually love training upper body. I hate training lower body. I just like it's not it's not my favorite like I could lift upper body four or five times a week and I probably would feel a little bit more motivated to do that most days. But yeah, there are some days when it's the last thing I want and but it has become like a part. Of who I am. It's just like it's what I do. It's a discipline thing and like you said, even though the thought of doing it may not be that appealing or there's like other stuff I have to do I'm tired like whatever the excuse maybe I have never once regretted doing a workout and what I like to tell people is that I even like talk myself into this too is okay. You just have to do something just like start your warm up and usually I'll do the warm-up and I'm like, okay like I'm too. Ellen I'm feeling a little bit better still maybe not super energized. But I'm at least going to do one side of the first exercise and then you do that set and you're like, okay that didn't feel so bad. I'll do another and I kind of like play these games with myself. Well, I do I can only do half the work out and if I really need to like I'll split it up into two and I'll do the rest like, you know, two days later whatever and I literally just like with any goal. I take it one step at a time. One set one exercise at a time and I think really like there has not been one instance where I haven't ended up completing the entire workout. Just going to put it that way. It may not be the best workout. I may not have been the no setting PRS, but at least I showed up for myself. At least I got it done and I think that for people who don't feel motivated if you can just take that step that first step you will realize that the The momentum continues and before you know it it's like workouts over and you feel great, you know, so you're always going to feel better. Once you're done and likely you'll feel better, you know as you're doing it as well. So just take that pressure off for it to look perfect for it to be perfect and just do something but the other thing touch on was what you know, Sam you and I have had this conversation. We had a couple weeks ago. We were talking about yoga. And I am a certified yoga instructor. I was really really into it for a while. I think I started it in college and I kind of gone through phases where I'll do it very consistently and then I'll fall off and I realized a couple of years ago. Like I just wasn't enjoying it anymore. And I think part of the reason could have been because you know, it was kind of far away from my house. I had to like sit in traffic to get there. The parking was a bitch. So it was like more stressful trying to get there. There and sometimes you know, I would have to go late at night or like later in the evening when I was already kind of tired and like that was challenging and then my other option was to go eight o'clock in the morning on Sundays which may sound really lovely. But again, it was like setting alarm and it felt like summer I had to be on my only day off during the week and it just kind of took the enjoyment out of it, but I felt like oh because I'm a yoga instructor because I put all this time into it and Knowing how good it can be for you. I felt like I had to do it even though I wasn't really wanting to do it and Sam you and I have that conversation of like Ophelia we need to do something to get in are more feminine energy and do an activity that is more restorative, but it does not have to look a certain way and I was listening to a podcast yesterday where the person was talking about this exact thing like, you know, we all preach walking and we love to walk and maybe someone fucking I Hate's to walk Okay cool. So go take a dance class go to a yoga class. Like like Sam's doing do gymnastics find something just move your body just because we love to strength train and we love to walk doesn't mean that has to be your thing and finding what you actually enjoy and that you don't really have to force like yes, sometimes I have to force my work out. But at the end of the day, I still love to lift, you know. And I probably would not love swimming. So I'm not going to me either me right there comes a point where like you've got to enjoy it but also realize that even the time even if you do really enjoy something there are still going to be those times when you don't love it, you don't want to do it, but you do have to show up for yourself anyways, and I had a client who reached out to me. She's in college and you know really does not have a consistent workout routine and she's like, I heard me bored with the gym like Like I want to quit this isn't Fun and I'm like, you know what it's not always going to be fun and sometimes have to suck it up and do it. But what you have to ask yourself is what would one like make me proud? How do I want to feel and what would the future me the person who is already reached my goal? What would she do right now? And I can tell you the answer is probably not going to be skipping the gym because it's not fun. Yeah. Amen. I think something you said Marcy about the like somethings better than nothing. I think that that is so huge and not often talked about because we are at least for me. I'm gone through periods where if I go into the gym with like an expectation or I'm like focused on I had to have to have a good workout or like thinking about the whole workout like all seven or eight exercises. I'm like Oh my God you know, but when you break it down and just like hey at Leavin if I show up for 15 minutes, like that's literally better than nothing. And for me, I actually have to have that conversation with myself almost every day at this point and it's it's kind of crazy because I went through a phase and I think that this was part of the rut was I was so worried about like the outcome like am I going to lift more weight today? Like am I going to PR? Am I going to be able to like hit this spot that I want to do, you know, or like what's my strength going to be like Am I going to be tired? I like all these questions in my head. I was like no, you know what it doesn't even matter. I just have to show up literally 5 minutes is better than nothing. Right? Like I'm just going to do something if I don't make it past that cool. It's not like it's gonna totally affect me. Right? It's like very small and I'll just go home and I think taking the pressure off yourself to like complete the whole workout or crush it or like that's that is the biggest like sigh of relief. I think I Tied in my life not even just in training just in and doing anything. It's like okay as soon as I just kind of let go of whatever the thing I think is supposed to be you're supposed to do or I'm supposed to feel like okay. I'm just going to go do a little something because I know I'll feel better and I don't know about you guys, but I think that for me has been such a shift especially when like, we're all busy like everyone's busy and we all own businesses and I could easily just work all day every day. today, you know and like not make time for myself, but I know that I will become a psycho that's motivating it is it's like that's my that's my accountability is because everyone else so yeah, I think that's that's a that's something that just maybe can be talked about just the like ditching the all-or-nothing mentality and just kind of letting go of your need to control the outcome of your workout just like go in there and do it because it makes You feel good and then leave and get on with your life doesn't have to be this like Gloria doesn't be so serious. Like just chill me. You just working out. That's super smart Sam. And another thing you just said there with the accountability piece to other things that have really helped me and others. I know when they're in a rut is this idea of accountability like one is having a workout partner like somebody who like you're going to let them down if you don't show up right because then you get there. And then it just more fun. So if you're going to meet somebody to do your whatever your dance class your your strength training whatever it's way more fun. So if you're in a rut finding somebody to train with can really help this is help me like a few months ago when I was really struggling. I told my best friend and like just start coming over. I'm working with me. She had been a paying client. I'm like, I'm not going to charge you you're just going to do my workouts show up what I want you to that's going to be that's our deal. And so she had me showing up and it's fantastic. Like I enjoy talking to her why we're setting up lifts and you know throughout the book so that can really help us. Somebody to train with and the other thing is the idea of one of you guys was talking about this are I think it was you like just showing up in the gym and not knowing what you were going to do. Like it's a real bummer. Like it does feel really stressful. It doesn't feel like you're getting anywhere and it is really demotivating and you're in a big rat like hiring a coach is incredible for that. Like just not having to think about it having somebody else you tell them your goals and having them say here do this. It's so freeing to just go and do it. Or even if like, I mean, I know a lot of people aren't they can't hire a coach they can't afford a coach but there are mean and of course like I'm gonna vouch that all of us are great coaches, you know, and I would have oh don't hire a coach, but I do know that it's not feasible for everybody. Right? And I know I have done this plenty of times where I don't really need the motivation and the accountability I can provide that for myself, so I may not need that. one-on-one coaching experience, but I've been a member of Jordans science and her Circle Bret Contreras has Booty by Brett program and all sometimes just like go back and forth between those two and it's not necessarily like customized to me, but at least it is structure and I always say structure leads to Freedom it is so true like those times when I don't have a coach when I'm not following a structure training program, like even though I know what to Ooh, do I overanalyze so damn much that I'm like yeah. I'm like a fish out of water just flopping around and yeah, very very unmotivated in so what I have something on paper, even if it's like just a skeleton program or I'm like, okay, I don't really love that exercise. So I'm going to swap it for something else and I was actually texting with Jordan a couple met in a couple weeks ago and I was like Hey, like doing these Inner Circle workouts. Just going to be honest. I'm not really feeling squatting and deadlifting right now. I would much prefer to work on my hip thrust. Like is it? Okay if I swap out squats for hip thrust? He's like absolutely hundred percent, you know, so see I just having that basic template can be can be helpful. So if you can't hire a coach seek out a reputable coach in the industry who is putting out like a membership site like Sam and Sarah have there's I know they're like workouts or Under full and it's a much more affordable way to get in your training or yeah, just like anybody who you feel you resonate with and maybe they have a group program that you can join Marty. I think what you just said is like so powerful, but I feel like we should explain it more because it seems abstract okay of structure leads to Freedom. Oh, yeah, I think that we should explain like an actionable way. That actually happens because the phrase sounds nice but like what the hell does that actually mean and I think you know going into that a little bit more just so people can understand like why is it important to follow a plan or why is it important to lay out your day in Google Calendar? So, you know what you're doing each hour or you know, what, you know what your life is going to be like why is structure the thing that leads ultimately to Freedom or sure now, that's a really A great thing to talk about and I used to not do this quite so much like I would not plan my day like hour by hour in my calendar and I know Sam you really good about this? I don't know about the other ladies, but I've started to do that and it just I can't even really explain it. So maybe Sam you would do a better job of explaining it but it's like seeing it all out on paper getting it out of my head. It's just like this huge sigh of relief. Like I have a plan. I know what I am doing. I What I need to do to execute rather than just like, you know free Ballin throughout the day. So like when I was in my training and my nutrition, you know, my structure is I know that I'm going to lift four days per week. I'm going to do two upper body sessions to lower body sessions like for sure like that is a non-negotiable unless something absolutely like gets in the way. I'm going to go for at least one 30-minute walk right now. I'm doing a little bit of Cardio, so I can I'm going to do you know cardio on these days like and that's just the weekly plan that I'm map up for myself so that I do it's like decision fatigue right? I've talked about this a little bit like it's the reason why you know, Mark Zuckerberg wears the same outfit every day because when you are running like Facebook, like he's making decisions all day long. So any like fewer decisions that he can just put on autopilot and not have to think about It leads to less overwhelm and is easier just to execute that thing. So I think that's exactly it. It's about Automation and having control like that's all it comes down to is humans like control. And so when you're in control when you see it out, right it's like you get so well we can get I do anyways I get so bogged down when I have so many options that it ends up causing me to not do anything because I'm like, well I could work out kick now or later or I could like eat Or I could respond to his client emails or I could go for a walk and when you have all those options, I literally just like sit here and I don't do anything. I just scroll through Instagram or Facebook to distract me from the fact that I have to make a decision. And so when I lay my days out, which I'm not perfect about this, I definitely have days where I'm like, oh my God, they could have gone way better. But like when I do that, it's amazing because it actually get shit done because it's clear and A plan and I just do it. I don't even have to think about it. It's like I think we've talked about can you actually talk about a 200 story but like last week or the week before it? I compared it to like tracking your your finances and I was talking to my client who was struggling with calories and like calories in calories out or like structure and planning and I was like, okay what something in your life that is super easy for you. She's like, um finances. I was like, why is it cuz I just put everything on automate and auto-pay auto bill Auto this as like and so what does that mean? And she's like, well, I don't have to think about it. I'm like exactly so I think the more that you can build in your own rules or your own structure or your own day habits it like it just allows you to do focus on things that matter without those decisions having to be like bobbling in your head. I feel like it reduces the Google Chrome a million tabs, like my brain. Oh, I'm like, I'm Queen of the million tab color try so it's like if you guys are anything like us you're probably crazy too. If you're listening, you know, so like help yourself doubting like just give yourself some rules and some structure so that you don't feel like you're spinning your wheels. Yeah, really good advice. Damn. Anyone want to expand upon that or I think we might have covered it. I think something that was pretty pretty well covered one last thing. I'll say really quick and you know, I hated like sound like a dog who is trying to reward them self of food, but sometimes like when I really don't want to work out and like oh, but I know I get that really delicious protein shake at the end of it, you know, so that's right. I mean Like I love food. So that's something to look forward to after it may not be food. It may be something else for you. I don't know but for me, that's what it is. So yeah, giving yourself a little like incentive. For sure or like you won't allow yourself to do X and less you work out like sometimes that's what I do. I'm like, oh, well, I can't I can't do I don't know. I'm trying to think of like something like oh, I like can't call my friend. I'd like to have a phone call to make like I can't call her unless I work out like I just refused and then I just like make a ridiculous Proposal with myself. I like bargain with myself. I have so many conversations about that stuff, but look for any way to get out of it. So I mean, I hope this conversation really lets you. Listener realize that you are not alone. We struggle with motivation rats to we're all human and we're all doing the best we can you know, none of us are robots. So don't beat yourself up. If you're feeling those like abs and flows when it comes to your training motivation or even your motivation to eat better to move your body in general just like to take good care of yourself do the things that you know are going to make you feel your best. Yeah, there's a thing called the interest curve. Have you guys heard of this basically looks like a sine wave. So it's like a big squiggle and when you do something could be anything. Let's just use lifting weights as an example. When you do something the initial start of it. So the first time you ever lift weights obviously like you're super excited about it. Your interest is really really high and after a while, you know, it starts to get a little bit more mundane. It's normal. It's kind of Boring actually because it's just something you do and you kind of lose interest then something will happen in your life. Whether it be hitting kind of a motivational rock bottom or whether it be you know, you want to try a new skill or like, you know, Kim you're crushing this deadlift thing. That's something like a new goal to chase in your interest curve starts to spark again. So I think acknowledging that there is going to be ups and downs and like being real with yourself like you don't have to be in this. Up high all the time. In fact, you have to have the lows in order to like recognize the highs and really, you know, feel good in them. And I think like what Kim you were saying to it's like you had to hit the rock bottom kind of so like crush it and sometimes your biggest highs come after a rock bottom. Yeah, you know, it's like that shit happens and it's totally true. It's I guess it's just one of those things that just being just riding the waves. Yeah. Absolutely. Well the great talk I yeah, I think that covers it. So Kim glad you're back on track. Everyone glad you guys are feeling very motivated. Hopefully, I'll fill re-motivate it and like a month or so what my back to eating lots of food more see your transformation though. If you guys have not seen Marcy's transformation. Yeah. Well, it was on her Instagram story. So I was stunning Marcy. Thanks. I will you know, I always say my body is like a mohawk. It's like business in the front and then it's like just So yeah, I might my coaches like yeah, your glutes still need to come in a little bit more. I'm like, yeah, I realized that so I don't know hopefully like not too much longer. But and you know, it's so interesting like sometimes I will put a like my final like transformation picture probably up on my actual feed when I'm done just to talk about the process and you know what I've gone through the reason I did this but it's so interesting because I put that stuff out but I'm like, oh, I'm sure I'm going to get negative comments and I did get this. One from a follower who was like, oh, you know, I prefer the one on the left like it looks healthier and I'm like, you know, what lady just gosh good for you. No one asked me what I asked. It's like thanks for your opinion. But, you know, I didn't feel comfortable that at that spot. So yeah, there's always going to be the naysayers, but I appreciate the support. Thank you. Yeah, dude, I think we're all crushing it. We all are we all got goals and are all happening. So whoo, we should probably sign off. The craziest thing has just happened at my house guys. Why teenager just came home and started vacuuming. I help you what possessed him but the sound you now here behind me is a vacuum and I don't get it but it's Kim. No, you should you should be worried. Why don't why you should because like something just fell on the road. Okay, this is like real relationship advice when someone like a partner a friend a child, whatever does something like this you need to reinforce that like oh my gosh. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Go bake them a cake reinforce that make him a cake. Are you sick? Then? He's gonna get me back into this again. But yeah, thank him and I gotta go figure out what's happening. Yeah, let us know I'm intrigued. He's done if he wants to come over let him know. Thanks ladies. All right ladies. This is a good shot, and we will see you next week. Bye. All right. Bye. Alright that wraps up another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening. We know that life is crazy and time is precious, and we really do appreciate you spending your time with us. If you love this podcast, Please Subscribe review and rate it on iTunes Targets in your service on Instagram. Send this to your friends, please please please just tell everyone about it. 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In a bit of a fitness rut? We have all four been there (some of us quite recently.) ⠀ In our latest episode of the Decades of Strength Podcast we share with you strategies that we’ve personally used to get out of our deepest ruts. We’ve listed a few on the graphic here: 1️⃣ Remember why you’re training in the first place. Check in with yourself on your goals & priorities. It’s ok if they change! Be clear in your mind as to what you want to achieve & why. 2️⃣ Rely on habits & dedication instead of motivation. The “m” word gets thrown around a lot, but the harsh reality is you just won’t feel motivated all of the time. Stop waiting for motivation. It may come, it may not. If it does, bonus! If not, rely on good habits (you are building those, right?) 3️⃣ Ensure accountability/tell others your goal: A friend to meet you at the gym, a coach, even an online friend/community to check in with and cheer you on. 4️⃣ Track your progress. Seeing how far you’ve come as well as a path to where you want to go is a great strategy to prevent a rut. It keeps things fresh & interesting. 5️⃣ Make an action plan. “Structure leads to freedom” as Marci so eloquently put it on the podcast. Consistently showing up at the gym without a plan is a one way ticket to Rut city. Hire a coach, buy a plan, join a membership group that includes a plan. Just show up at the gym plan in hand, ok? You won’t be in this rut forever. No one ever is. It’s a stage, like when a toddler will only wear orange or eat things that start with the letter Q. It’ll pass. Remember to tune in to the full episode for more details on how to de-rut yourself and to hear our personal experiences. Head to the Decade's link in my highlights tab to find the episode and if you haven’t already, please go ahead and rate and leave a review. Be sure to subscribe in iTunes so you never miss an episode! ⠀ We love & appreciate you! 🌟Sam, Sarah, Marci, & Kim: 4 Women, 1 Mission🌟 ⠀ Follow Sam: @saltylifts ⠀ Follow Marci: @marcinevin ⠀ Follow Sarah: @sarahdufflifestyleandfitness ⠀ Follow Kim: @kimschlagfitness --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/decadesofstrength/message

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So hang tight. We'll be right back. You are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now let the and now we are back everyone commercial dark the end of it welcoming guys. We're so excited. This was an incredible episode can't wait to jump into that elimination. Talk about everything. I'm your host gentle bus here. We have a full panel as well as a guest. So let's go around and see who's with us in studio tonight. Hi Dan lingering here. Pam gross happy to be here and I'm back David Christopher. How's it going guys? Let's do this and over half. So the chair laughter buzzer. It's a challenge rookie. It's an Ex on the Beach star. She's everywhere right now. And now she's in studio with us. Oh my God. I'm hi guys. First of all, it's more you will let I'm so excited to be here. I feel like it's all these worlds colliding like I started it after Buzz then I went to MTV now. I'm back here talking about the challenge. So so excited and Tell you before we came in. It's like obviously the challenge gets new people every year and you kind of just think of them as reality TV stars, but you don't localize it to your life and it's like now I know Morgan before she went on the challenge. It's like I have so many questions. This is crazy that you're on the show. We did The Tomorrow Show right just was there which is so funny because on EX on the beach that they asked me like, oh like name your celebrity MTV or like your MTV crush and he was the only guy from MTV I could think up because of that one interview. View we did and I was just like, ah just give you a little bit of a taste rundown say we're gonna jump into the elimination first because I think we just need to start with this Hot Topic because this is like Hunter rising from the ashes what everybody wants to see will get you'll take your tape because you were there and behind the scenes stuff into the dally. I'm sorry the daily challenge because Wasn't that great of a visible challenge seems really intense and hard though. So I'm excited to see what you went through living through it. Then we'll go into some of the house drama. We have this Jenna Zach fight. We have Hunter Leroy will get into then we got time for Morgan some QA stuff. What do you guys want to hear? And what are your guys overall thoughts on this episode to before we get into all of the break down all the meat of it? Yeah. I really enjoyed the episode. I do believe now that Ashley has the banana Nana's curse of never be able to win after stealing the money. Oh, yeah, why not? Oh sure. I'm only wrong until she actually wins again. And that's very hard to do and the show as we know. Okay, I love the episode as well. I am glad that Ashley went home. Okay, I like the tribunal. I like the way that this was set up. It was interesting. I can't wait to see more of that and I am both impressed and surprised Morgan that you took out ninja Natalie, but you guys want and we're on the tribunal so we'll have to get into that deep. It's interesting. You guys nailed it. What else can I say after that? No, I mean I agree. I think it was it was a lot of fun. I actually did like the little drama, you know, a hundred taking off his shirt, you know showing his guns. I was kind of funny ridiculous at the same time, but no it was fun. The challenges are added like the monster truck. That was super cool one one. Yeah, it was bad ass, and I am impressed that you did beat Ninja I was super surprised. So it's bananas versus West me versus Is D. So me and Dee. I think she ended up beating me by like six inches. So it's like very half and half with us which like in my defense. I hope she gave me a run for my money like that girl was hauling ass. I was like damn D, but then bananas smoked wet, right? So between those two things which they did it show I'm very surprised that they were like, here's the length of rope because when we were actually at the challenge, you got to see like there was a mark and you can see how much the person beat the other person. Okay, so bananas like there was no chance versus West. So I was very proud of my partner D gave me a run for the money. I was not expecting that from her but she's a hostage so I'll give her that but I was very proud of us very excited. I was not expecting that for the first challenge for myself. I was like, you know, I'm just gonna do my best whatever but I figured with bananas and West like they have such a rivalry. So I was just like, like I said, I was like, I really thank him going against West will light a fire in his eyes like he's not going to let West beat him and lo and behold he Do not forget to ask I could ask her. Did you were you when he called out west were you like in your mind thinking like? Oh like I hope this goes right or did you have like full confidence? So what they did it shows like before we called him out. He looked at me. He's like, all right, who you thinking? We're like either between Hunter and Georgia and then like kind of Wes and d and obviously I knew about like the West thing so I was like, okay like Wesson D. Let's do that. He's like, okay cool. I'm down for that too. So I was like, I hope this rivalry thing goes well because I mean obviously I would have liked to go against Maybe Georgia where I knew I could smoke her but I knew it like you can't go on everyone loves a rivalry. I think that's what they wanted to see so I was like, all right. Let's hope this works out. That's what I mean. It's a little bit of a shocker to me that you're saying bananas completely smoked Wes. It's well, hold on. I think it's mostly I think it was mainly about who can unravel that rope the faces. I don't think it was about Madison stronger because once you unravel that rope the entire way, it's about sit in that little sorry that big tire and just holding steady. That's it. That's what a lot of people don't realize like everyone looked like turbo and Josh where Josh one and I was like, how did Josh beat this guy? Nothing to do about strength and who was going to tug it and how to deal with who could get that rope out quicker than who could hunker down in the tire and just stick their heads, which is I think the challenge producers are probably a little upset because they wanted to see people like tugging back and forth, but it was really just people sitting in these tires. That's what I think. We wanted to see at first to that's why I don't doubt the challenge is probably So hard and it was really grueling for you guys, but as viewers as still like to because I knew that it was intense and hard for you. But at the same time like this isn't visibly the best challenge right TV because they tried to bring in this car element and the monster trucks, but I first I first thought you guys were going to be pulling a car and it was like the old I agree I thought so how hard is that? But the car was really what was it was just a prop. Yeah. It was just a problem which had the rope in it and then the monster truck ran it over which by the way was seal. Longest five minutes of my whole entire life. I was like, when is this damn truck coming? Why is it not coming? It's been 15 minutes. I'm like, oh it's been literally like 60 seconds. Like it was tough. That was a tough one. That's like when you go on a jog, I'm gonna go jog for a full half-hour. I'm gonna do it today you five minutes that you have a strategy Straight Out The Gate. Did you just pull as fast as you could so happy for how long do you think you were pulling up for? How long do you think You were to say it went quick like it's not something it's like you we y'all didn't get a see kind of what went down that rope went so fast like probably 60 seconds. I don't know maybe a little bit more and then you're sitting there and the thing with d is like she was like actively trying to pull so I was literally just like you're sitting in this tire and you're not moving. I don't even want to attempt because I mean as soon as you start pulling you lose this guy, so you just at that point everyone was just sitting there and I'm sure they were so upset. Because it was uh sitting in tires for like four minutes to this truck came over. They they test these out they test these out ahead of time though. I'm surprised you didn't notice that oh, this is just like a non-moving nothing. I think of them better if they just had the Rope already tight and having nothing for you guys to hold onto but the Rope just in that sand and just pull angry and you guys wouldn't flying around because someone lost their balance and got tug just Superman through the air except for Visible stuff because I'm sure he's pulling it and holding onto it was just as hard right one. That was the thing is The rules were you weren't allowed to leave your tire. So I was wondering well, maybe they really yeah, so if you like hopped out of the tire then it was over. So I was thinking I was like, oh maybe they were thinking people are going to tug and tug people out of the tire and that's how I don't know, but it did not I don't think went the way but like Fallout of are used the dirt of Santa some sort of like balance some sort of right? Okay, that's good to know. It's and it adds another element. So when you guys are sitting there holding a tugging, can you kind of gauge who's doing? NG well or not or you just so focused on yourself because I wouldn't like did you have a sense of that? No, not at all. I was literally just like you're gonna pull this rope and you're gonna sit here and you're not going to think about anything I could hear bananas from the side being like in his voice. I'm like, yeah, I don't let go looks like Focus don't even I wouldn't even talk to him. I wouldn't look I was just like you're sitting in this tire and you're not going to let go because I was scared as soon as I like lost focus it would slip for my hands. So I don't even know what went on honestly. If you look pretty graceful doing it, they'll like it didn't look like you really cute shake it are going to crazily food Zen. I got this. Well, that was the thing is like all of us. It's like once you got that rope and you sat there there was really no - yeah, there is no really struggle between except Theo I think we did see in the episode. He was you would pay the state Rider that Theo I'm telling you as a force to be reckoned with. Yeah. He is somebody who is like a dark horse. Like I don't think people I think they're gonna sleep. On him he's he's got hard to yeah, because he's an Olympian. Yeah, I did. Yeah, but I get it too. I get what you're saying. He does right? He's an Olympian but like you look at him and he's like kind of this tall lanky dang dang. The first episode was he's kind of lanky like I took home a beanpole. I was like he's strong though, but I mean but he's we saw tonight. Yeah. Yeah, and it kind of has this lovable attitude and demeanor and like it seems like there's something about enough seems like maybe he's not taken as seriously, but at the end of the day maybe just has really Balance because he's an Olympic Athlete. Yeah put off and he's like happy and go-lucky attitude. But he's still gonna kick ass when it comes down to it. Good to know anything else about that that challenge that you want to shower. I don't think we should put a moat in the middle. So like people got wet. So we have like see, you know section dude, you just wait to the bud competition next week there. You're gonna get all your dirty wet muddy shirtless human. All right, I'm still Digging mud crevices in my body like finding dirt that I should not so that'll just tell you a little bit about next week. Okay. So let's go into this elimination Hunter does it I was very nervous at that nomination when they're at The Killing Floor. I thought for a second that he was gonna pick somebody other than Ashley. I can't be what did I say when I say to you right away when Hunter went down there. I thought they had the night before. Rivalry with Leroy has to stick to his word. I'm like don't do it under production on purpose to give us like people that he might want to go against but what I say to you right when it happened because he's gonna pick Ashley I said, it's right on the head. How could you not part two? I didn't think it was going to and I was really happy that he did you think he's gonna pass. I thought he was gonna pick Leroy. That's the production. Gotcha. There's there's too much history in A build-up between Ashley and Hunter to not go after Ashley. You know what I mean? It's just there's too much. There's more steaks on the Line than just the Newfound little rivalry, right? However, he said I'm going to let West do my politicking for me and him and West were strategizing and he told Wes if I can't go for bananas. I'm gonna go for the next best thing is best friend Leroy exactly. That's kind of why they were faking us out. But I do think that would have been a bad choice like that wouldn't have been good for him. You know, Ashley and Chase like Ashley, we know as a good competitor, but Chase I thought Hunter whatever much better. That's right. Take him out. Get to be in the game to go up against a big guy like Leroy my god. I've been a tough test so your newer than to obviously the challenge and all these relationships. You don't know the deeply rooted issue with Ashley and Hunter. What did you know at that point? I'm sure you were told ya I mean at that point trust me with Ashley in that house everyone who knew that she wanted the money and took it from him. So that was the first thing I picked up on I was like, all right, I get this rivalry. So that was interesting. I just I think I mean hunter these people know No, what makes good TV. Like he had to have known like this is what everyone wanted to see like y'all could see everyone cheering as soon as he called out Ashley and shaves everyone got so excited because like this is like the Redemption you could tell that hunter wanted this is what everyone wanted to see you want to see the kind of the underdog who lost the money be the person. So I was here for it. I like I like that decision. That sounds like this better than football is better than the NFL and Dave was like, what was sure as hell better than the Super Bowl? Yes. I like you're not wrong there. It was such an Hence matchup Morgan. I'm sorry. I was just to say so you knew Chase before I so I didn't know Chase personally like we followed each other and social media. It's like a weird like I know some people from the baths or so I had known of him, but I just I don't know. I never expected Chase to be on The Bachelor or be on the challenge like when we all met in the airport. I was like, okay like I recognize some people and then I saw Chase and I was like, all right, like okay, like let's do this. So that's what I wanted to ask you. Ooh, what kind of how did you think it was going to do and that elimination when he got called out to go against Hunter Oh, I thought and no offense Chase if you're watching this, I did not think he had a good chance against Hunter because I mean look at Hunter he's shorter. He's stockier chases like like we said to Theo he's taller lankier, but I will say I didn't chase and I don't know how much of this they showed on the episode but he gave Hunter a run for his money like Hunter like was bleeding and like got like whatever Bruce up and all that. So I think Chase did a good job fighting but I mean, they couldn't do that today compete more than one sort of I mean on the show. We only showed us they competed. Yes, they did. Okay. So the think it was well wasn't that interesting? Well, it was a replay they because it went on a bounce the first time and then they went again, but they didn't compete anymore than just those two times for one heat for that. Do you remember? No, it was more than that. I think that's what I I don't know if it was two or three times, but I know each like girl whatever girl couple guy coupled they went multiple. Times for sure won't to this that's why he's the dad. I'm shy I'm just surprised also now they came back to the episode. They did not show that they went multiple times because that's kind of an important factor. That is incorrect. They made it look they shouldn't go out of Bounce the first time where looks like chases neck is getting like constant half and then they showed again where Hunter one the one heat and then it looks as if it goes it went girl got girl zero, you know, there are less rounds and that they'd only won two rounds against Opponent now there was definitely multiple. Yeah, and it was so funny too because like they're just like what being behind the scenes like you don't realize like there is like issues with the drones and like I'm just like it was so nerve-racking watching like I had severe anxiety because this drone is hanging in the air for 60 seconds. You don't know when it's gonna drop like everyone is an see like if you let go of the band then like we have to start all over like all this stuff. So like my nerves like shoot. I wasn't even competing enough. I can't Watch this. Like how do you think it would have done in that kind of challenge then? Oh my gosh, I wouldn't I just want I like physical things like I'm coming off Ex on the Beach where you like you're dating and having to talk about emotions of like, oh, let me wrestle someone like I would love to just like get down and dirty. That's what I was so excited about being on the challenge. So I think I would have done well against Georgia. I think I would have done well against Ashley. I think they're both like kind of dirty players, but I think it would have been able to hold my own. Yeah, I gotta admit, you know. From the time that we've known each other thus far I don't see you as is crazy Fierce competitor, and I'm not trying to say that inoffensive way now so and I was telling Jana's like I want to see you tested. I do want to see it. I want to see what you're capable of. I want to see you go just grit all out like head-to-head. I want to see it. So let's see that is bubbly happy person. And that's that's the issue with people see me on the challenges. I came off big brother. I was whatever America's winner America's sweetheart the nice girl. That was my strategy to win. You have to put on a Persona back. The happy-go-lucky girl on Ex on the Beach. Unfortunately, I get bombarded with x's and I'm still kind of like crying and emotional and that's just how I am so like on all these shows you don't get to see a different side of me. So that's what I was so excited about going on the challenge. I was like, I am athletic. I've been a competitive cheerleader my whole entire life like I like working out I like doing physical competition. So I hope people can see that side of me. Yeah. I want you. I'm excited. Like I really am like this could be an awesome opportunity to show these people like Hey look, I'm capable of more right just a pretty face and so far you've done some well first episode. I don't know why I was surprised I guess maybe the same thing as David saying but you came in second as a guess more. Yeah, are you I was very well. That's the thing too is like the challenges on Big Brother are like kindergarten level compared to the challenge. Let's be real. So it was dizzy bat like it was dizzy bad like all right a straight line or like what this is there physically taxing, right? So it's like and I want competitions on Big Brother but you don't get a lot of credit for what whatever I solved or something like that. So the fact that one I solve that puzzle so quickly I was like, okay like I hope this shows people that I am intelligent and I'm more than a pretty face. Like, I don't know if y'all watch my first impressions video, but it was basically ever being like she's here to be a distraction for the guys like she's pretty like she's not taken seriously and I'm like, okay, I finish that puzzle quicker than the majority of the people. They're all prospects and best on a show when there's money. Steak to be a distraction for other people. Yeah, what does that even mean? Like you don't want to personally win money. She just here to be a distraction as if I'm going to going what I don't know if you guys realize I left a dating show. I'm I had my fix of that my intentions in that house were to hook up with absolutely nobody. So a lot of people obviously needless to say we're sleeping on you pretty much I would say so I just was frustrating to me is you can say whatever you want about me whether you don't think I'm smart. You don't think I'm athletic what bothers me is You're just a pretty face. That's all you're gonna be is like just the pretty girl. Who's you know, what here to look good? I'm like no. I feel like I have so much more to offer than that. Am I gonna be the loudest most dramatic person? No, I don't think that's not why I was cast look at me on EX on the beach. I wasn't the girl who was fighting everyone right and being the girl throwing drinks. That's not who I am. I was cast for specific reason why that is I don't know. They bring me as the one person from Ex on the Beach to go on the challenge and it wasn't just I was a pretty face on EX on the beach. So I think I do have things to offer. Well leading into that you are not going to be do you know throwing drinks and stuff? I have to ask so you have we see Amanda and you go head-to-head and she's ridiculous as she is horrible in real life as she seems and tell us about that if you that yes, I think I do. I gotta see my issue is I start watching these episodes and I I'm very like free flowing in normal life and like Kind of like sarcastic of stuff like that. When I go on these shows, I like to think of the social gaming and I'm like, okay, I'm going to go in the challenge. I'm gonna try and be here for a long time right not going to get in fights this first week. I'm with bananas. He already has a massive Target. I'm an idiot to go around and start picking more problems for us. So it's like I'm not gonna do that. So I think tonight I tweeted that Amanda called me that I was bananas Shadow, but I said, I'd rather be bananas Shadow than Satan's ass. Yeah, but like she really is in its when she drinks like thank you see another thank you. You see another side of this girl and that was the thing as she approached me basically like your banana Shadow you're sitting in the back. Well one Amanda don't you do that like with all your allies? You just follow them like didn't she go in and get sent home for a friend? Okay at the same time. It's like one. I'm not going to scream back at you right now because that's gonna want just make Other people see me be like, oh this girl's a hothead the we already targeted bananas. Let's now get her out to to it's just like what do you want me to do Amanda go like it's the first week here in the thing. I said time and time again in this house is all the prospects. We have no beef right now we came in without a lot of enemies all these vets are fighting within each other, right? So there's no point us getting involved. It would make it more messy. Let them hash it out. And then when it's our turn and we have our own beef, then we can say something. So the fact that she came. Up to me like what do you want me to say is? Well, it doesn't make any sense because all you prospects are not you're not necessarily Shadows, but you're all learning the game from your person Wes. I mean, they're all these guys have been around CT. They've been around forever. So no matter who you pick right? It doesn't matter if it's a bit of banana has obviously one of the biggest followers you gotta pick one of them. Why not second is why not go with Wes who kissed you're not a shadow. You're just learning from them. Amanda doesn't know what she's talking about and Amanda's off. This is what was that? Because the heat taken off of you within 10 seconds, right? Well what we see anyway, so this is just a spiral effect of fights. So Amanda comes out you first because she's coming for anybody. She's drunk as you can tell your banana Shadow, whatever banana comes out with this. Oh my God the exorcism just phenomenal, but then Amanda finds her next prey and then bananas gets pulled in and then somehow hunter gets pulled in and then the fight ends with Zack and Amanda so it starts with you and write or sorry Zach and Jenna so it starts with you and Amanda and it ends with that in just like, how does this even happen? I don't even know where I was during all I'm watching this back and I was like you couldn't keep there was a fight in every single corner of the house. It's like you were running around it. Yes. It was like everything happened so quick to and then I didn't realize Hunter took his shirt off. I literally want to look and I was just like it didn't work for Adam Levine in the Super Bowl Hunter. It's not going to work for you on the show keep your shirt on so that was crazy. And then just the fact that like Bumble gets thrown into it God that I don't Fans obviously, they were Union last season for final Reckoning Amanda tweets out Jesse's bomb. She's gonna drop never drops a bomb which at first I kind of respected because she said it was going to ruin relationships and like all right, whatever you ever say something you wish you could take back now. She's actually doing it before it causes damage while now she's drunk again. So she has this big bomb the bomb comes out that Zach as soon as he got back in the hotel room after he got eliminated and final record a hops on his phone Andre downloads Bumble and his excuse Is to make sure it still works if it work no, see if it works in Africa. So it didn't work over Clover different continents. That's what he said. I don't know how that ended with Jenna apologizing. That's all I can say is my pleasure. I had like the issue. It is really stupid and I but he talked about a gas light turns it on her get away from me security. It's like you're in a committed relationship your girlfriend found out you were on a dating app and you're upset that she's He's unhappy about that and that she wound up apologize like he is a master manipulator in terms of getting her to apologize and saying like well, what do you want to do? You gonna break up with me then like and that's your girlfriend. She's upset by something of your actions and what you did to her is degrading and I hope setting and it's disrespectful and she's upset and she's my favorite part is that he's like I need security I can't deal with yeah the way you're acting the the way your actions are but it's like Jenna's approaching this in the most Composed calm way out of like complete sincerity complete just passion for Zach being so upset but it's the way she's handling. It is like over the top for him when she's being as calm as she possibly can be. Yeah couple things. Sorry. I'm going to backtrack just a tad bit. That was funny. You say that because I didn't notice you in all that chaos was going on which I think was a very smart move and I say this because I didn't notice if you look like the Vets like you look at CT where her CT of his present. He was kind of laying low. He's smart now west was the same thing. I was kind of chilling sitting back almost laughing and then he tells Amanda to go to bed with people who are very present all these things and it's like I can kind of find a common theme of the people who are always around the drama and I'm like, are you here to compete or you here to just create some drama? Where's my role in this? I knew I was not going on the challenge to be like in your face like Brian, but I was there to compete and I was hoping To get as far as I could without having to scream like obviously if I get to my point. Yeah, but guys, this is the first week. Yeah. I don't think any rookie wanted to go in there and they are is a giant Target Target me. I'm the loudmouth. Yeah, there's already so many fights going on. It's like there's no room for more like you guys fight amongst yourself. There's no point for me to the van Hopper to make another one. Yeah, so I thought that was super smart move on there and I thought it's just funny how you saw like the Vets just kind of laying low on that one and seeing the younger ones going crazy. It's kind of funny then. And but to I guess to come back onto the Gen exact thing, you know, I completely agree I is so over-the-top and dramatic though with the whole like I need security get away from me and I kind of like okay at some point. You gotta help yourself, you know what I mean? Because right this isn't working. This isn't changing Zach dug himself into a hole. He was definitely wrong. He had no idea how to get out of this hole. He played the Victim or / to try to play the victim saying the security thing garbage. Yeah, he's very wrong and he had no idea how to talk about it because he had nothing to say because he messed up. Why would you show to your biggest enemy your Bumble account soda, because even if you were doing it to see if it works in Africa, that's not how Amanda is going to perceive it and tell the world and I want what makes any you're not doing it to see if it works after you're just kind of looking to hook up with hot chicks if you you can look at it and see why do you need to see if a date? NG app works because I got back but also Jenna nailed it when she said you are consistently making me look stupid for my greatest. Enemy. It's so awesome with him they live together. Now. I follow Zach on Instagram. I'm pretty sure they're living together. So they are so what are we doing Jenna but that's what I'm saying at some point. It's not the other person anymore. You got to take responsibility for yourself. And if this person is continuing to degrade you and make you look stupid look in the mirror. I mean, it's not like he needs to learn to communicate because I do you need security what happens when they have a dispute over like who's washing that's becoming less communicating with other girls. He needs to stop communicating and just communicate with one. But all right. It's a very immature reaction though to do something wrong and then respond with like playing again. Please respect that was kind of the house feeling and consensus about about that situation at the time it just like I honestly I felt bad for Jenna in that moment. I you want to give her a hug. She's the sweetest girl. She's done. Nothing wrong. And Zach is just like the way he reacted it made me cringe. Obviously. I'm like, it's cringy. Oh like the fact that you're in a long-term relationship and one you're acting like this to I think the way he acted made it seem like he was guilty but I think he got soaked your defensive get away from me. I'm not going to apologize. It's like buddy if this wasn't true, I don't Thank you be reacting this way. I don't know exact was not my favorite person in the house to me this season. I just felt like he didn't want to be there really. I feel like him and Jenna had their own issues that probably should have been worked out outside of the house not in this crazy environment. So he's just so that guy like that. Yeah, bro. We like he's that guy who would to time a girl or like lie to her and make it feel like it's her fault. That's exactly like hook up his last night in South Africa. Well, I think I think Jen I think Zach has become your new bananas or Tony. I've always been on the Zach. Yeah, that's that much though. Exact challenge because it had to deal with your wrist and your hairy anyway, so I feel like we're spending way too much time on Zack smack Morgan. I have a question. Yes. Yeah, you per said that that was your favorite person. Who did you click within the house? We did you not clean with give us your so I originally said this kind of on the after-show. They briefly ask me like who I didn't cook it the first night. I obviously said Amanda when I drink I'm you know, what happy-go-lucky like probably like an idiot dancing around when Amanda drinks she she just has this other side there. So that was like kind of what I didn't Vibe with the first night Zack. I mean, I don't know exactly like introduced himself to me. So like I'm just like buddy, like if you don't want to talk to me, I don't really want to talk to you. Okay, I love Cara Maria. So I was in a room with Cara me and Maddie were the only two prospects in there. And then it was Natalie Jenna and nany. So that was my room and I went in there pretty intimidated by car. Like who's not going to be I was like, oh my God, she's you know, what gonna look at me at this Prospect so We like with just the most nice humble person loved her the prospect girl. I clicked with the most with Maddie. Oh my gosh. I dress she facetimes me at least three times a week still out of the blue just to be like, hey girl. How are you doing? Are you okay? And I'm just like I love her. She's the best human being ever ask for like Prospect guys. Theo is hands-down one of my favorite human beings ever. Everybody's saying that he is talking hysterical likeability about it here and he makes idiot. It's like the M&M mom them like the oh, you're so stupid. I kind of laughed at it. Yeah, but I'm just like oh, but he just doesn't get it. He's like what like, what did I do wrong? I'm just like, oh my God. Yeah respect the bluntness at that point. Yeah more questions for Morgan for sure and she knows how this goes. We gotta give a little shout-out to our AfterBuzz. Yeah, guys. We just want to say thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk if you're on YouTube right now, you know hit that subscribe button. Give us a like we would love that. But no matter where you are. Please leave us a comment and make A nice comment because I like nice comments and we really want you to be involved in our conversation and being a part of after bus has meant so much to all of us and we truly appreciate your support in doing what we love, so don't forget to tell your friends and keep enjoying all of our aftershow say friends. Tell everybody. Yeah. Fantastic. We can we need to talk crusty or sorry. Sorry wrong word. Okay Dusty Wi-Fi get. All right. So preface this I saw last week on Twitter during the episode last week Jamie tweeted at you or should know. She didn't she just tweeted Morgan. Has Wi-Fi is Dusty? Okay, I put on my Twitter today like yo everybody we got Morgan on the show tonight. What do you guys want to know? She tweeted at me? I saw that thing. I asked her why her Wi-Fi so dusty and I was like I was planning it because I don't know what this is. Okay. Well, I'm gonna give you so I did the chi rho after show last week. So I Skyped in and apparently what one okay, let me preface this. They asked me obviously why I pick bananas and I had My reasonings and I let's keep in mind that this whole like tiro thing was cutting edited so I know Really was said and I also know what was aired so they asked me why did I pick bananas? He's done the challenge consecutively as event and I was like where a CT and West have taken breaks over the years bananas has not and then I kind of had some word vomit issues and I was like, you know, like lessons West is just kind of like old and Dusty no meaning meeting. The reason saying that not attacking West he's taking breaks. That is what I meant by my comment. Whereas bananas has consecutively done it and that played into my decision as to why I picked him as a partner. I saw that I did see the also. Well you ran with that old and Dusty comment so did Wes I was like, but I wasn't really trying to insult you that much but apparently it really took a shot to his ego. I'm so sorry West but what's always fired back at you? He did for about combat Twitter fan and I was like Wes, I don't follow you on Twitter. So I don't think that would make me a Twitter fan Wi-Fi, okay. The Wi-Fi and I don't know if the after show because it was cut was choppy or because my connection was bad. I will say I did a test call with them TV an hour before they tested my connection and it was fine. So it is not AT&T, although I mean I can't call for you Jimmy. If you really want me to check my connection that bad but it was working before the show. So I don't know what happened if it was but that's where that comment came from and I think like some fan like sent me that tweet and I was like, all right, I gotta fire back. So I got that is so funny this entire time. It really just has to do with the logistics of like but I've Wi-Fi is Dusty. What does this mean? I don't sit up online and it literally my stuff online was tips and tricks on how to clean off your router. I want on Urban Dictionary and look what she just met your wife. I stunk. Yeah about Wi-Fi. Because Jamie's like the queen of Twitter and keeping up the slang and get you know, kind of like your wife. I was like a your partner picking ability was old and Dusty right now because of that. I felt like you're dating record Ex on the Beach. Like I was really trying to read between the lines here, but the lines couldn't have been more clear like your wife. I was yeah rapping. I can understand him being upset by I wouldn't want to be called old and Dusty shot to him and I get that part it. I've said this a million times. Sometimes I have a case of war comics. I stand by my decision of saying that yes, I do do I wish the full context was shown a little bit more. Yes, I do. But I mean I have my reasons as to why I pick bananas and why I didn't pick Wes or CT so I have no problem with you picking but I'm just I'm a huge West and I don't mind that you pick bananas. He's a he's a super strong competitor to so that's fine. I'm team has put him on Steam. I like bananas route is a cool guy. At the same time, you know, I Wes is a tough guy to get and argument with you know, so like when he did and he's clever though. And once that once I saw it, I was like more you do it the second that the second it left my mouth. I was like, oh we're going you just know you just dug yourself a grave because you know when you're in the comfort of your own home, I was like, I'm chilling. I had a mimosa before like it was in the morning like I'm skydiving into Tara safe spot and then I was like, Vomit got you, but you know, I I firmly stand beside behind my statement. So guys, we got a few minutes left. So we're going to start wrapping up. I do just want to shortly go over predictions because we see this teaser bombshell talking about dropping bombs. So we see this graphic. Come on sing challenge Legend goes home and they show west bananas CT Cara. So thoughts people. What are your thoughts? My first thought was Going to be CT. Just I think he has a less strong competitor. However, people are writing in what they think if you want to tell you a chance. Um, well they said that Johnny is the only one shown on that prediction thing that's wearing the elimination shirt. So you have to because you're wearing a certain shirt in the elimination. So they're thinking that Johnny's the next person organs like that means I got exactly all that's why and Morgan's in studio now, so I want to ask her that's all I don't know guys interesting. Obviously, we know a legend goes home. I think y'all will really like the challenge and the elimination next week. Obviously the mud pit gets really intense. So I'm just going to leave it at I think it'll be another really good episode. Perfect. Okay, you guys have any predictions who you think the challenge that Legend is going to be. I honestly don't I really recommend I would say CT or bananas because I didn't think I didn't even consider West don't know if it's I don't mean to The old dusty train, but I didn't think you didn't really think to me that means CT or bananas like Wes has been again. He took a break. He's hasn't been around company car. I don't think our is going home. I don't think cars going home anytime soon. I personally think it's CT for the same reason just because I'm not sure is going to be I can't imagine bananas going home so soon. So that's where CT would be my default answer but we also know everybody. MTV has a way of teasing things that turn out to be nothing Burgers. So we're not having to see until like three episodes from now a challenge, but it goes home event at the finale. All right guys. Thank you again for joining us. Thank you so much more gift for food. Thank you guys so much. I had so much fun G. Wi-Fi Twitter's At Morgan underscore will let and then Instagram is just like a bunch of photos of myself. If you want to check that out. It's at Morgan CPR Instagram. David punk rock Christopher Twitter DPR, Christopher. Yeah. Thank you guys for joining us. We love you. You can find me all across social media at Pamela gross. Gel the Dan Lindgren. Thank you guys who threw me off of Jenna but Sarah Montoya again. 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Welcome to the teachers on fire podcast where I profile agents of growth and transformation and education today each guest shares their highs their lows their passions their goals and the resources that are shaping their thinking and inspiring their practice for show notes and links from each episode visit teachers on fire dotnet. You can also connect with the show at teachers on fire on Twitter Instagram and Facebook. And of course, please do subscribe to the show wherever you are listening right now. Now, I'm your host Tim KV. Let's meet today's guest today. I'm speaking with Trevor Mackenzie Trevor is a learner teacher speaker consultant and outdoor enthusiasts. He is also the author of dive into inquiry and a co-author of enquiry mindset published by Elevate books. Follow Trevor on Twitter at Trev underscore Mackenzie Instagram at TNT Mackenzie and at his blog at Trevor Mackenzie.com. Trevor thank you so much for coming on the show today. Are you ready to talk education? Absolutely. Let's do it Tim. Thanks for having me. Well, this has been too long. We talked a little bit on Twitter. We're both BC residents and we've actually been in each other's company briefly. And so now here we are finally talking and I finally get to share your value with my audience. So I am super pumped Trevor about that. Why don't you start by telling us a little bit more about that local context? What does your education? Situation look like on a daily basis. Thanks. Em. I appreciate it. Yeah, so I'm from Victoria British Columbia Canada. It's about as far west as you can get in Canada and I teach at Oak Bay High School. I'm an English teacher mostly senior levels 10 through 12 and obeys a pretty diverse Community. You know, we've got some really thriving programs Arts Athletics languages academics a lot of community engagement and currently also as you mentioned I'm an author so I do a lot of work supporting schools and implementing inquiry, so I tend to Save my International work and it's just crazy to even talk about that. So, you know, I never thought becoming a teacher I would go around the world supporting schools and implementing inquiry, but I tend to save my International Partnerships for Spring Break and summer break and my school district here. They support me by giving me about 10 or 15 days of unpaid time to go and support schools across North America and and you and I share a really exciting opportunity here in British Columbia. We have a redesigned curriculum. So I'm working a lot with British Columbia schools. But also, you know No, I was just in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois, and they all have inquiry learning objectives invented in their curriculum. So it's a fantastic time to be in education. And that's a little bit about my local context. But also a little bit of my Global work as well. Well, I'm glad that you mentioned the unpaid days Trevor because that's been a question for me. How does this guy manage it and how does his district enable him to do everything that he does. So you've obviously made that commitment you've made that sacrifice and just like my last Guest Andrew Arevalo talked about sometimes it is worth it to give up those paid days in order to be able to share ideas and learn from others Be Inspired in other contexts and it's been a lot of fun to follow your for example your Asia tour to see you connect with one of my former guest carrying Caswell and of course so many others. Well Trevor we start the show at story time. So before we get into your wheelhouse, would you share with us about a low moment or an Variants of adversity that you face somewhere in your teaching or education journey and describe how you overcame it. Yeah, you know, I think the first kind of five years of my career were probably the most challenging and you know, if I had to kind of figure, you know, I think I've had low moments throughout my whole career, but I think that that first those first five years really shapes who I am as a teacher today and there are many Forks in the road where I was questioning. Do I want to commit to this? Is this something that I'm really going to see myself doing for the next 30 Years? Is it was so challenging, you know, the workload the marking load the lack of a full-time gig, you know, I was living out of what I thought was a briefcase. I'm substitute teaching what felt like four years and you're really I struggled with a lack of relationship both with students and with a staff, you know, you're constantly changing schools each and every day and then you slowly build up enough seniority that you get that contract somewhere. But even then it's really challenging to keep all those balls in the air You Know lesson design unit design. Let alone assessment communicating with parents and you know, I love coaching. So I found a lack of being at a the same school consistently, you know didn't allow me to coach but you know, I think if anything saved me throughout those first five years, I think it was the power the power of the pln and the pln then is quite different than it is today. You know today I have this magical network of teachers via Twitter or other social media platforms that I learned from and I connect with and back then the pln was literally thus a firm, you know going The staff room at lunch and and kind of asking questions of teachers who had been at the school for a lot longer than I had been it was standing at my door when the bell went and and my neighbors on either side of my classroom. My colleagues we would chat shop about what I was going to teach and what I could do to make it better to better meet the, you know, the needs of my kids and those kids are coming in and we're saying hi. I'm also getting this little tutorial on lesson design if you will and then it was also just staying after school with my colleagues and marking. Together and getting a better handle on the assessment side of being a teacher. So I think you know those first five years were incredibly challenging. I think, you know teachers listening. I think they would agree that the first five years are the hardest, you know, if you make it past the first five years, I think you're going to make it as a teacher and I'm just so thankful that you know, they shaped how powerful how powerfully I believe in collaboration right like relying on teachers in the building back then has brought me to a place now where I really do rely on my pln to connect with Burn from to share ideas and bounce ideas off of and as I said, it's just a beautiful time to be a teacher to be so hyper connected to teachers around the world. You mentioned Karen's work over in Brisbane Australia, you know just to be you know, so far away from one another but be so intimately tied to what we're doing to better meet the needs of our students. So yeah, I think that undeniably the first five years were the hardest and I'm just so thankful. I had colleagues that I can lean on during those five years. Well, I think one of the takeaways I hear there is that you did stick with it. And I guess one of the blessings or maybe a faint silver lining of the substitute teacher circuit is that you do see a whole lot of different contexts, right? You you get a sense for what works what doesn't what you like what you don't like and I'm sure you were able to build as you say a few local relationships, even before you started to collect the following that you have today. So that speaks to your perseverance and I think there's something there for those teachers. You are in those first five years and are considering leaving the profession and that is that it really does get better and I can underline enough what you've said about the pln and the role that that place so Trevor, let's start right at your wheelhouse with dive into inquiry. And of course the book that you co-authored with Rebecca Bathurst hunt inquiry mindset nurturing the dreams wonders and Curiosities of our youngest Learners. I love how you begin both books with very human examples and case studies. Of disaffected Learners from where I sit you have become the resident voice for IBL and I don't know if anyone would dispute me on that. So for the unfamiliar, why don't you start by giving us your inquiry stump? Speech what is inquiry-based learning? And why are you so passionate about moving education in this direction? Thanks and well first and foremost. I never proposed that teachers need to do things quote unquote my way. You know, I think teaching is an art there's incredible nuance and subtlety and there's simply no lock separate. Right, you know what makes a good teacher nor is there like a prescriptive framework at how we should teach but that being said inquiry is where my heart is. It's in my bones. I think it's in my DNA and all I could do is share with the audience here what's worked for me? What's true for me? And if that inspires anybody or resonates with anyone, you know, I'm here to answer their questions by all means reach out via Twitter or my contact page on my website. You know, I think as we know the abundance of information at our students fingertips, it's just intense, you know what has changed so much. Over the course of my career what students are bringing into the classroom with them and not just the phones but that prior knowledge right that they just are coming in with such a vast understanding of the world and it's no longer a matter of what you know, but what you can do with what you know, and so I think inquiry really does challenge Us in the classroom as teachers to facilitate experiences to help our students explore content and explore questions. And and then of course create something that hopefully has an impact on others whether it's a community around us or Learners around us or even you know the world, you know, the global landscape. I think inquiry challenges students explore quote unquote what I love the call ungoogleable questions, right those big broad overarching questions that hopefully, you know, they can't just go up and ask Google when they get home to help them with their homework. They're chewing on these really big vast broad questions that allow us to chew on some of those clones closed-ended questions. If you will to allow us to get to the deeper own open-ended stuff, but I Really, you know if content is so readily available. You know, what are we doing with content? And how are we having our students experience something by getting to that content? And I think inquiry encourages the sharpening of competencies, whether it's collaboration or communication or creativity and undeniably those are competencies that are really really necessary. Today's Workforce, right? You know, we can't have students who are just you know complacent in their learning. We want them to be active. We want them to be problem solvers and for me, I found inquiry as a Work has really been the space and the language that allows me to do kind of everything that I've just shared with you and especially better meet the needs of students right really get to the heart of who they are as human beings what strengths they bring into the classroom what challenges they are facing as barriers in their learning and how could we really tailor The Learning Experience towards each individual student and that's a big challenge, but that's one that's been at the Forefront of my work for quite a number of years. Now Tim for a long time Trevor. I like to think about the four C's as really foundational and we're of course talking about collaboration communication creative and critical thinking but I've started to use the five seas and adding that v c of curiosity. And of course, we've got Sir Ken Robinson and George crows and others who keep that at the top of the radar and so in my mind isn't that one of the strengths of IBL is that it amplifies and promote curiosity instead of killing. Yeah, you know absolutely and I know your father and you know, I have two sons 10 years and seven years and and both of my kids entered our educational system highly curious. Right like just really chomping at the bit to learn to read to play to interact and you know, I'm a high school teacher and so I see the opposite end of the spectrum where you know students are really close to leaving our educational system and for the most part and this is a broad stroke. So forgive me, but for the most part kids are entering my class A lot. Lot less curious than when they entered our educational system and I do think that's problematic. You know, I think there are certain things that students need to learn of course certain standards and even content if you will that is kind of must know for every student but at the heart of the of learning is curiosity, you know and having that burning question that high interest piece and maybe one day turns into a passion or vocation if some students are lucky they get to explore something in school that turns into a career but You know curiosity is at the heart of how we can better meet the needs of our Learners really hooking them in each of our classrooms. And so inquiry absolutely allows us to explore curiosity. I think a big challenge for an inquiry teacher is to look at our curriculum and and have those really enticing engaging entry points into our curriculum speak to each student in our room. And again, that's kind of the heart of my work. You know, how could we inquiry isn't an either/or? It's either we do inquiry we don't Ooh our curriculum or we do the our curriculum that we don't do inquiry. It's an overlapping I laying over top each and and inquiry would be the framework that allows us to explore our curriculum through a really creative lens and that looks like many things. It looks like many things depending on who you're teaching and what you're teaching and where you're teaching but at the heart of it Tim I couldn't agree more. It's definitely a zest for curiosity. If you will, let's talk about the framework just a little bit more you've expanded on it here and obviously anyone Who really has a serious interest in following IBL and moving into an inquiry model needs to take a look at Trevor's books. Both of them are valuable. But I think of the famous sketch note that has made the rounds on edgy Twitter. I'm sure you've shared it out and I've certainly seen many other sharing it and that is the one of the swimming pool showing the different levels of guided inquiry and they are structured controlled guided all the way up to free. So I'm thinking of those teachers Looking to dip their toe in the pool of inquiry if you will, how can they get started perhaps in their very next unit next term next semester. How can they take that very first step? What's a micro step into inquiry for them? Yeah. That's it. That's a great question and just a little bit of context, you know, I've done a lot of research over the years around successful implementation of inquiry and and by and far the research states that inquiry is really confusing because there are so many different definitions. Of inquiry and and that in and of itself is just going to lead to chaos in the classroom both chaos in terms of teachers collaborating to unit design but also chaos for students, you know, if we're talking about teaching and learning in a different way from class to class. It's going to lead to students feeling much more anxious than they need to be. So the swimming pool graphic and then analogy really allows teachers to understand the four types and and there's a structured end a shallower end to the swimming pool which kind of represents more of a teacher directed inquiry and teacher-led inquiry and then the deeper side of the swimming pool the guided and the free inquiry side. That's much more student directed where the teacher becomes much more of a facilitator, you know, I work with a lot of schools long-term, you know, two three four years in the making and we start out in the shallow end together and my goal and our first year working together is that all teachers plan and Implement strong structured inquiry units so that as a culture of learning in the school Our students are all hearing the same language and they're seeing a similar framework so that when they start to take on more agency over learning they not only feel more confident but more specifically they have the skills and understandings necessary to be successful that type of agency over learning. So for the listeners at home, I'd encourage you to start in the shallow end of course and start with a unit of study that you perhaps already taught or already designed and you're going to implement it may be again in the next couple weeks or months. And I'd encourage you to frame your unit of study in that big overarching ungoogleable question and make that question like front and center in your classroom. It should be something that all of your students can see and speak to at any time and that way as you're going through the research and you're unpacking resources and students are grappling with content. They're making connections to that big overarching ungoogleable question and there are a lot of elements embedded in an inquiry unit provocations. That's what I mentioned earlier, you know, those really rich Engaging entry points into those questions. You know what we choose as an engaging provocation and how we roll that out how we get students to engage with that propagation will lead to kind of side paths. If you will where students go down. I've been a rabbit hole, but it's always tied back to that big overarching question, you know, and also that structured side allows the teacher to choose the product the summative piece and so it's really as a teacher directed inquiry. It allows teachers to feel that inquiry isn't super nebulous or uncertain. It's something that they can take on and they can be successful in and then slowly we begin to add in those other types over time and some some teachers are really a lot sooner than others. They want to get going on the controlled inquiry in the guided and even the free but I'd always encourage teachers not to go to the deep end first. I was guilty of that as well early in my career that the free side could be. So inspiring when students are doing something where they're highly passionate about and curious in but you know without those skills and Endings those competencies that were referring to students will feel overwhelmed and you know, their well-being has to be at the heart of what we do and what we plan for and so I encourage listeners to start with structured side at my website tried Mackenzie.com. We have a bunch of free resources and one resource we have is a structured unit planning template where you can just look at your unit design that you already have planned and back and fulfill it into this template and then they're going to be some areas that you're going to have to kind of hash out and reframe based on what the template is calling for you to do but in a nutshell Google Google that you know that that swimming pool analogy. You'll find it right away print it off. I use it in my classroom as a teaching tool, you know, I refer to it often in learning to give my students Direction and agency over learning and I encourage lizard listeners to start in the structured side the shallow and Tim now, you mentioned summative assessment Trevor and that's where I wanted to go next because I feel like some of the first push back that I know you must hear is from Educators who have concerns. Turns around assessment. They feel that inquiry learning somehow makes things more slippery and less rigorous perhaps or whatever just more uncertain in general. And so I have a feeling that you're going to push back on that and talk about how I BL actually improves the quality and maybe the frequency of feedback for students. Can you talk about that? Yeah, you know and letting the cat out of the bag here. I'm currently writing a third book and really it's going to focus on assessment in my classroom and how I assess. With an inquiry lens and that's not going to be out for about six months to eight months. But you know and I speak to that because the book is a result of the questions that I'm answering in my Consulting and in my working with schools. And so I just want to remove that barrier for teachers who are really interested in implementing inquiry and that's that, you know that the push my inspiration for this third book is to better meet the needs of teachers out there. So, you know, I think assessment was always something early in my career I used to take With me quite frankly. I used to pack up, you know assignments and put them in my English teacher kind of briefcase and take them home and and I give my students all this really rich formative feedback and I give them a mark and then I come in the next day and and I'd ask them to read the feedback and of course teachers around the world know this to be true that they never look at the feedback. They turn directly to the number and then rather than look at the feedback after the number they turn to their friend beside them and they say hey, what's your number? And it really what I learned over time is what I was doing. Is really promoting and and nurturing a sad tragic comparative culture and assessment where rather than look at your own learning you are comparing your learning against others and it was really having a negative impact on how my students were seeing themselves, right? They were seeing themselves defined by the number I gave them and what their friends got on an assignment and so slowly what I started to do was have assessment be something that I did in class and no longer. Would it be something that I take home with me? Assessment has to be a verb it has to be something an action that we do together and and you know, all assignments can't be done this way. But the vast majority of the assignments I do are done in class and that looks like many things and that's not a teaser to wait for the book but it really does it looks like many things. It looks like, you know one really amazing hack was I just refused to put numbers on assignments anymore? You know, I put them in my grade book and everything that is students. He's on assignment in my class. It's all formatives. It's all. Feedback and I asked them to spend maybe 10 minutes 15 minutes at most reading the feedback and looking at Arco design rubric. Whatever that assessment tool is that we've built out together and I asked them to figure out the number, you know, if my feedback is on point and it's rich and clear and it's aligned with the co-designed assessment tool. My students should be able to get the number the exact number I have in my grade book, right and and in that they're not turning to the number. They're not turning to their friend next door. They're turning to what is best for their learning what I've suggested could improve their learning what I've suggested they've done really well and then they come up after that 10 or 15 minutes and they tell me the number that they feel I've written in my grade book or the feedback has told them they have and so really just tweaking some of the things I've always valued and assessment but really having them be embedded in student voice and you know at the end of the year if my students aren't leaving with a clearer understanding of who they are as learners. Hours, and as people that I feel like I've done them a disservice and I always felt like I was really strong in my assessment practice. Like I know all my kids and I know what they need you to get, you know do next and how to get them to that next point but my my students didn't know that and that is my fault and how I spent time in class and how I embed their voice in our assessment practice how I make assessment a verb and that's really forced me to rethink how I want to spend time with kids, you know, maybe I don't spend three weeks or Weeks unpacking Shakespeare, but maybe within those six weeks. I spend a little bit less time unpacking the content and I have assessment Infuse that content so that the content is much more meaningful and relevant to the kids because hand in hand. They're getting to know themselves better as Learners. So, you know, your questions of big ones him out. You know, I think we can have a series of podcasts on assessment alone. And I think you know in a nutshell assessment has become something that it has to happen in my class with my students. It's so that they know themselves better. And in that inquiry in and of itself is a personalized learning pathway and if assessment is a personalized that we truly aren't doing powerful sustained authentic inquiry. We're just doing something that at the end of the day the teacher is assessing and so we really want to flip that a little bit and and when I say flip that a little bit it's all about a balance, you know, I never suggest that we are in free inquiry the deep side of the pool where it's student agency. 100% of the time that that's just not realistic I do propose that there's always a balance between the teacher directed and the student centered and that that's the same for our assessment. You know, there's some assessments. I need to take home and spend some time unpacking because perhaps some the assessment expert with that piece and a lot of the stuff the vast majority. I really do believe that it could be done in class with students if you will, I think assessment experts around the world are applauding I think of my friend Aaron Blackwelder teachers going gradeless. And so any others who are absolutely loving what you just had to share their I wanted to ask you about a tweet that you sent out a year ago that basically broke edgy Twitter at this point. You've already spoken to a so, I just want to read it you tweeted. I just spent the last two days writing my report cards with my students. I ask them about their strengths. I asked them to share a future learning goal. We looked at their body of work and we selected a grade together. Why haven't I been doing this? My entire career and that got about seven thousand likes and that was a year ago so I can only imagine why it's at at this point. I will make sure to embed the tweet in the show notes. But to me that just speaks to the power of conferencing to solve some of these lingering questions around the role of assessment in IBL. And at the same time give our students just such a tremendous sense of ownership and agency in the assessment process. And so I don't know is there anything more that we need to add to that power of Of the conference. Well, you know, I think what seems like a really nebulous or kind of, you know, gray area way in terms of assessing with students ended up being really practical and really helpful both for me and the students, you know, literally I opened up my grade book on my computer and as we are conferencing I was describing their words and their thoughts directly into the report card and then I would read back what they shared and ask them for approval and you know the response and the subsequent. X was just mind-blowing. I think this this was the greatest impact for me and that students actually went home and advocated they beg their parents to read their report card and at the high school level they that never happens right like sometimes report cards don't even make it home. Let alone return to school when teacher or parents are supposed to sign them. Right but kids were going home and they were literally there are tapping their parents on the shoulder saying can you read that comments and could you look at that grade and the parent would say well why and they said because hi actually co-wrote that or that's a grade that I had a voice in choosing and that could be really, you know Troublesome for some teachers. You know, what does that look like? And what does that sound like and and you know, how do parents feel about that? How do students feel about that? And and you know, I just beg of you to hold tight, you know, feel free to answer or send me any questions that you have butthole type for that next book because that's really where I explain, you know, all the challenges I faced in this process. I've gone through with kids and with parents as well as how I've overcome those challenges and how it It worked for me and at the end of the day again, I really want my students to leave their time with me understanding themselves better and understanding that they're more than a number or letter grade on a page because of course in 20 years those letter grades and those numbers. They don't Define who these people grow into meaningless. Sadly the yeah, it's meaningless and sadly though at the high school level and we see it slowly begin to creep up as our students go through our elementary school slowly. They see these numbers and these a grades as being a part of their identity and they slowly start to see themselves as well. I'm AG student or I'm not a math student and that's just heartbreaking like my ten-year-old. He's exceptionally curious. He's like really really unique. He's really into you know unique things and I want that to be honored. I don't want that to be squelched. Like I want to teach her to see him and recognize those really cool things about my son and honor them and I'm so fortunate that for the listeners who have been a part of my children's An education they've all done an amazing job. They are expert teachers who are really, you know at the Forefront of meeting the needs of my children in the schools here in British Columbia. So I've got no qualms or no worries that my kids are in great hands, but I think across the world. This is something that we need to be focusing on is how can we make sure that our kids are feeling good about themselves and feeling good about learning, but of course being stretched and challenged through some rigor so they can leave us better than when they came in in terms of having. Being skills and competencies sharpened if you will, I love that connection you met with the fixed mindset and I'll tell you mindset by Carol dweck and I read that book in my viu program, by the way, and that really led to the launch of this podcast and I can't underline enough what you just said about the role that traditional assessment plays in defining who we are and who we are not and that's such a tragedy when that takes place. I think one more question Trevor. I've got A Sneak this one in why aren't schools and jurisdictions. In their professional development around the IBL model in the words of Mike Washburn over at on education most prodi sucks. So that's the way he puts it. So we feel this push even my last guest Andrew Revel. Oh is making a push for personalized prodi. Why aren't we bringing this out more? We know there are at camps around but we aren't seeing much of them yet. So what are your thoughts? You know, I'm sure this is cross your mind. Yeah, you know, wow, that's a loaded question. I love that you've teed me up. Up with that one. You know, I think sadly PD for teachers sometimes more often than not it's not designed by teachers. It's designed by administrators or people at a leadership level and and really, you know, when you attend PD that's designed by teachers in the classroom. I think you experienced something that's really applicable. It's really relevant and achievable is full of those Rich takeaways that could be implemented in the classroom right away and sure there's some Theory there but teachers know that we need Where the rubber hits the road we need something that's going to impact our kids right away and sadly if you're not having a teacher at the table planning that PD then I think a lot of that experience tends to be overlooked. And so, you know it my events where I go and I support a school or you know, I was just in Pennsylvania and it was amazing. It was 350 teachers every middle school and high school teacher in the district. This was the first time in the history of the district were all those teachers were doing a single day of learning together and it was a day where they Perience inquiry wasn't sit and get for seven or eight hours. It was they were moving. They were collaborating they were building out things together. And that's exactly how I want them to go back and implement this in their classroom where they're not just at the front of the room with 30 kids. They're getting their kids take on that ownership and that heavy lifting and that building go to something and so I think you know part of the answer to your question and that challenge that we're seeing around the world as we need teachers taking some agency over their PD and I say this again, In any time I speak on the topic if we're talking student agency that has to go hand-in-hand with teacher agency. And and I see I see some amazing authors Consultants Educators doing amazing things with having to be highly relevant and Hands-On, but I think sadly if it's not facilitated or you know plan by teacher at that planning table exactly right away. I think there's a disconnect between what is applicable and achievable and relevant and timely something that we can take back to our classroom. Early on the Monday after that PD right? It has to be something we can do and I think that's something that's missing in the global PD kind of landscape. And again, that's a broad stroke. I see some amazing things some amazing teachers doing great things with PD, but definitely it's not the norm. It's more more the outlier if you well I should clarify and say I get amped up for professional development. I am one of those learning Geeks and and I definitely will also say from firsthand experience that Trevor definitely models the God G and practices that he preaches he walks the walk but yeah, I think there is definitely some room and I hear you agreeing with that that we need to make sure that teachers have a voice in the process. Well, let's move outside of inquiry Trevor we could as you said go all day on that but as you look across your pln and your own practice, is there something else that is setting you on fire about education today? Yeah, you know, I've gone down a really meaningful relevant kind of personal rabbit hole if you will into cultural responsiveness, you know. No, unpacking racism and how its kind of systemically embedded in what we teach and how we assess looking at allyship and allyship not is a destination but more of a process like I'm always trying to figure out how I could be an ally to teachers and Educators and parents and Learners that aren't the white Caucasian self that I am when I walk into my classroom. And so that's been something, you know exploring identity unpacking my own biases in front of my kids in front of my students and that could be really Really demonstrating some vulnerability and some honesty but what I'm trying to do is gently help them understand their own identity and intern understand kind of societies hand and what we value and how we treat one another and so that's been kind of, you know, looking beyond my classroom something that I'm definitely on fire over, you know Educators that Meyer that are part of this conversation that is inspiring me. I'm a big fan of Gary gray Junior. If you don't know Gary Gray, he's kind of an international teacher he's currently in Nila he's a Canadian from the East Coast but I love what he's speaking about Liz kleinrock is another one. I'm a big fan of hers and not just with regards to unpacking racism but really looking at identity and the language we use when we're talking about who we are and what we call ourselves and I love cornelia's minor. He's another one and those are just a few Educators that have me really fired up on that topic and I think that you know that goes hand-in-hand it with inquiry to kind of loop back to what we've been talking about the whole time, you know. If I want my students to truly understand themselves as Learners and as people as human beings as they leave our Educational Systems, you know, I want them to understand all those influences and sometimes there are biases or barriers trying to keep them compartmentalize and if we can understand those systems, I think we can kind of free ourselves of those systems if you will and that's a bold statement but like come on, why are we in education and for not trying to change, you know how our young people see themselves in the world around them rate? So yeah. Gary great Junior Liz kleinrock corny Cornelius minor those would be three teachers that I think teachers that are listening to go find and follow if they're not already amazing amazing stuff. Well Trevor congratulations on recently completing your master's degree. I know that was a long journey for you and and I must have been sort of a constant burden in the background with everything else you're involved in you've already shared that kind of your next big professional goal is the publication of your next book and we look forward to that. Side of Education what's another area of learning for you? What is it that ignites your passions when you leave the classroom in the education space and brings you alive as a human being I love teaching teachers and I love teaching students. Right? And so I'm trying to find the balance between both, you know being in the classroom and visiting these schools around the world, you know in the next ten months. I'll be oh goodness Luxembourg Hall in London Stockholm South Africa Hong Kong. It's just these schools around the world that are really a part of this Global conversation. Ation around moving from that over standardized curriculum towards a more personalized one. And so for me, it's you know, how can I continue to do both, you know teachers but also teach students and and when I'm in the classroom with my kids, you know really being responsive to the needs that I'm facing in my classroom like really being in the moment and being present and I think there are so many things in our schools that distract us from being present right whether it's the dozens and dozens of emails we get in our inbox whether it's announcements or Checking our mailbox in the office. They're all these things that kind of you know, if we let them can distract us from just being present with our kids. And so I think those are a few professional goals for me. You know, how can I continue to do both and do both really well and then when I'm in the classroom with my students just really being in the moment and not trying to do things too fast really slowing down and being as present as I can be and that sounds really nebulous. But I think you know the most powerful teachers that I've seen do what they do. They're just so so, you know agile and how they do it, right? They tend to see the landscape in their room and they tend to go to places that maybe they didn't anticipate that they go to and and in that it's an incredible responsiveness that I really hold dear in my practice and it's something that I definitely try to enter my classroom and with each and every day is how can I just be present and mindful of what's happening before me such an important message now thinking about learning and passions outside of Education Trevor. You mentioned that your Outdoor Enthusiast over here on the mainland. I'm big into paddle boarding and Hiking what does that look like for you? You know, I'm an avid cyclist. So yeah, I'm up early and I'm on the bike out the door and I tend to get home before my kids are awake. So that kind of is a little bit of a lens into how early I wake up in the morning. But I love I love being on the road. Yeah, I race bikes and I have a strong community of guys that we race bikes with and that's kind of a little bit of the competitiveness in the if you will but also that that need for you know, No community and collaboration as I mentioned at the onset of the podcast, you know, I really love being a part of something greater than myself whether it's a school Community a class Community or on the bike with a group of guys. So definitely cycling's what gets me going and fired up and keeps me healthy and sharp, right? And I think if we're not taking care of ourselves, we certainly aren't doing our best for taking care of others. So definitely got to feed myself first and the day and and then I'm kind of set for taking on the challenges that we face in the classroom throughout the rest of the day. Well, you can't pick a better place in the world to Do that road biking with mountains on one side and ocean on the other so that does not surprise me. And then finally before we get into your Quick Picks Trevor share about a personal habit or a productivity hack that contributes to your success. You just talked about being present in the moment. Is there an app or a daily routine that really helps you get it all done. Yeah. Listen, I'm at 5 a.m. Guy, you know even earlier on some days and I value that hour and a half two, maybe two and a half hours before, you know, the family's awake and be and before the The world's awake. I listen to this one author years ago talk about her routine to writing novels and she used to get up at three in the morning and she spoke about how the world was just still there is no no current no electricity. It was just quiet and and that's where her artistic kind of height came in throughout the day and and for me, you know getting up at 5 a.m. It's having a cup of coffee. It's you know getting down to some of the planning for the day and look at the checklist of what I want to accomplish that day and maybe firing off a few of those. Just to go pieces whether it's emails or you know tweets or reading an article that I've been meaning to read for a number of days, but then sometimes it's getting some writing done and again, you know with productivity and being a father and a teacher and a consultant. I don't have days and days and days where I could just sit down and write, you know, what a lavish lifestyle that would be. I'm big on kind of these to our Windows of productivity right and if I could sit down and get an hour and a half to two hours and two hours is my Max like I can't sit still for longer than two hours. I don't know how our students do it. And so I tend to get a lot done at 5 a.m. And and the occasional kind of afternoon session whether it's after school or on a weekend, but that 5 a.m. Is kind of probably the greatest addition to you know, my lifestyle both in terms of being active and healthy, but also being productive that I've adopted throughout the course of my teaching career that's music to my ears and makes me think of a book called Miracle morning for writers and that one was suggested by Lynn Merrick. Loan another guest of the program. So if you are digging Trevor's morning routine, make sure you keep that book in mind. We'll just before we continue. I do want to share an important message from the teach better team. Are you looking to reach more students innovate your instruction and teach better than join the teach better team on November 8th and 9th in Northeast Ohio for the first ever teach better conference joined Dynamic Educators such as Dave Burgess tall tale Thompson, Adam, welcome and more register now at teach better conference.com and when you do Be sure to use discount code fire 52 say $50 on either of the two day registration options. Are you ready to be better? We'll all right Trevor. It's time for your quick picks and here we want to know the education voices and resources that are shaping your practice and inspiring your thinking today. So I know this first one is a tough one for those that have such a large following as you do but starting at Twitter tell us about someone we need to follow there and share why they've been inspiring you lately. Yeah. That is a really tough. One but I have to talk about the Merrill's edu. That's at the Merrill's edu. And this is a married couple Joe and Kris in their out of Florida. They're both Elementary School teachers, and I'm just so in awe of the stuff that they do in their classroom with their Littles, you know, Joe just tweeted out something today about him doing a little green screen math activity where he draped this greens, you know t-shirt over his face, but then he put his glasses over top of the sheet and it made him look like a ghost right? And so he did this whole math lesson, you know that he recorded and and it was like the students were interacting with a ghost these recordings and and that sounds pretty novel but it's really engaging when you're talking about a six-year-old seven-year-old grappling with boring math concept that typically is taught by a worksheet or you know drilling kill. This is Joe Merrill doing something really kind of funny and Humane and interactive. So the Merrill's edu, they're doing some crazy cool. And I really geek out on their Twitter account their Instagram account for sure point us to an ed Tech Tool or an app that you currently love using in your classroom or somewhere else in your professional practice. Yeah. This is an easy one. I am a huge foot good fan. I will kind of follow them wherever they go, you know and really because they've impacted my assessment practice so dramatically the last couple of years, I love that they've gone free and it's an equitable platform for all young people any user around the world can access flipgrid unlimited for free but it's just made such a big shift in terms of my students confidence how they share voice in the classroom and there's such a Vibrant Community there. So yeah, I love sharing my love for flipgrid and that would be definitely the edtech tool that I'd like to share with this audience. Yeah recommend one book, maybe one that you've been reading lately or one of your all-time faves that really shaped your thinking and tell us why you recommend it. Yeah, you know, you mentioned, you know, Carol dweck's mindset. I think that's a huge one. I think you know it innovators mindset. I love George's Erica and talking about how we see our students and how we see ourselves and interacting with them. You know, I think oh goodness. That's such a hard question. I'm a big fan of Jay mctighe and Grant Wiggins work around understanding by Design and essential questions. I love Dan Rothstein and loose antenna make just one change and the question formulation technique and then you know, I love trading books with other authors around the world that I meet. And so, you know, it's this lovely little book club where I'll send them my my books and they'll send me there so I'm always reading something and so but you know, those are a few that I've read in the last couple of years or that have shaped some sharpening of my educational practice. If you will Trevor, I have no idea if you are a podcast listener, but if you are tell us about one that you've been enjoying lately and maybe why we need to subscribe. Yeah. Well, I'm a little late to the game so don't judge me, but I'm really breezing through cereal, you know, it's that crime real crime narrative and So when I travel when I'm on a plane, I love that one and I also am a big fan of that white fragility. I just think that's so powerful. So those are two that I've been eating up the episodes as of late. Okay? And again, I don't know if you're a YouTuber, but tell us about a YouTube channel that you enjoy and why we need to subscribe. Yeah, Gary great Junior Gary gray again, you know, I referenced him in what I'm really digging right now in education and cultural responsiveness and and Gary is an amazing videographer. He creates these amazing little tutorials. That really just show you how he talks about identity and culture in the classroom and and I could just spend time, you know as much time as I can looking at Gary's Channel and Gary's a busy guy. He's a full-time teacher. So when he does post something I'm just really happy to go check it out and see what he's chewing on with his students. The last one Trevor is just for fun. What are you watching on Netflix these days? Yeah again, I'm so busy that you know judgment from the audience that I'm only getting to this now, but again, I've Breeze through the series. I'm on the last few episodes. Stranger things. I'm just totally loving it and the last couple weeks. I breezed through series or season one and season two and I've got a couple more episodes in season 3 and definitely loving us stranger things right now. No, I know your crew at home is a little on the young side are can they handle stranger things or no? No, not yet. You know my eldest. He's ten and his big interest right now is World War Two wow and and World War Two history. So we actually watch some World War Two documentaries together on Netflix and then my youngest my Seven year olds as all you Canadians know and are Americans are kind of angry with us. If you will my youngest he's got Raptor fever, you know, the Raptors had such a successful run in the playoffs that it really created a lifelong player, I think and so in the morning, you know, I'm watching World War Two documentaries on one TV, and then I go and check in on my seven-year-old and he's watching, you know plays of the week or highlights from the night before from the Raptors. So it's a beautiful thing being a parrot right? I used to think that you know, my kids are so unique. Different and and we raised them the same and we found the same but we don't we really are you parent differently depending on who your little people are and and if they demonstrate a passion or they're really curious about something you tend to stoke that and you nurture that and you know, I begin to talk about my kids in a different light and that, you know, we are responsive to who they are and there's some base values and beliefs we have in our household but really, you know, I think that they're incredibly different kids because we parent them differently. As we should with our students you should teach differently depending on who your kids are right Trevor. This has been absolutely amazing. You've brought full value in all of the and I've put a lot of questions to you, sir. So thank you so much. What are the best ways for the listeners to follow you in and connect with inquiry-based learning and find out more? Yeah. I'm really active on Twitter at Trev underscore Mackenzie. I and with that, you know, we've got two hash eggs, hashtag dive into inquiry and hashtag inquiry mindset and there's a community of teachers around the world. Who are Contributing to those hashtags, you know what it looks like in their classroom and what they're doing and questions that they have and if you're at all ever, you know questioning inquiry or you want to connect with teachers out there just tag me in a tweet and that's just, you know, a little bit of a subtle message for me to retweet you and connect you with my community that you know, I've nurtured so by all means find me there. I love Instagram, you know, you'll see a lens into my day-to-day life as well as my teaching and what I'm passionate about what's got me ticking and that's at TNT McKenzie and then my website Trevor mcann See.com you know bunch of free resources. I love blogging I love sharing what's happening in my travels and my classroom and and yeah, definitely. Those are the three most active spaces for me Twitter Instagram and the website that sounds great Trevor. Thank you so much again for sharing your time with the podcast today. This has been a conversation. I've been looking forward to for quite some time. And I'm so glad that we finally connected you are such an important voice in my view in the education space and continued to bring about the change and start. Those hard conversations around education districts across the world really and to do that great work. I can't wait to see what's coming our way in terms of assessment. That's another such a critical conversation. Thank you again Trevor and have a great school year. Thanks Tim. It's had been a pleasure. Thanks for having me on I appreciate it. Before we sign off today. I'd like to share some highlights from around the teachers on fire Community this week. The first stop is on Twitter where dr. Christine ho-young husband at Christine YH tweets about her recent work. Walk through her city of Prince George and she also mentions that she quote listen to at teachers on fire during my walk episodes 104 and 105 with doctor will and Miss ought loved it. And she also tags. Kylo underscore rain. Thank you for that. Christine next my last guest Andrew raveloe at Game Boy Drew tweeted everything I do is for my community in this episode. I share the vision I have for lifting my stakeholders the Calls a faced and how I'm inspiring my students to chase their dreams. Thank you for having me at teachers on fire. And he also tweeted quote you are doing incredible things with your podcast friend. Thank you for allowing me to share my voice. Really. You don't know how much that means to me. My mom and dad both listened. Well that last part probably means the most I really like the idea that Andrews parents both listened and if you did hear the episode, you know that Andrew shout it out his dad Greg Arevalo for his amazing career that I think is still well under way and he is much loved by his community there in Southern California. So thank you for a tremendous Legacy of education. And I love what it is bringing about in your family Greg Arevalo. Awesome next on Twitter Julia flips at Julia fliss tweeted quote. Wow, your commitment to community growth reflection Innovation putting yourself out there and the Importance of re-envisioning ourselves as resources on the planet Legacy is one of the most inspiring and authentic Testaments to education. I've heard. Thanks for the uplift and Julia, of course is also referring to the episode. I published with Andrew raveloe next up on Twitter Sarah Thomas at Sarah Des teacher tweets. Many. Thanks Tim. I loved your episode with Dan listen to that this morning next Kelly Kristofferson at Kelly W. Chris tweeted. Added learning isn't always about the new by revisiting something and approaching it from a different path or with a different mindset. We can see what might be every day is a PD day hashtag my PD today and dr. Kelly Kristofferson, or I think the doctor it may be underway is researching social media and its uses in our pln's and of course, I just completed a master study on the very same thing. So I love that connection and I agree podcasting is the new PD and You are listening to this podcast. You probably agreed to next up on Twitter Genet Fest noshed at JM Fass NAC HT and I'm probably butchering your last name. So apologies Janet, she tweeted terrific episode from one of my favorite podcasts. Thank you and teachers on fire at Game Boy Drew hashtag for ocf pln. And that's a reference to the four o'clock faculty, which I believe is another great. Education podcast next up boss underscore teach at GI BSO a Ellie tweeted in reference to my last episode with Andrew raveloe. This will get me through the week traveling to work and back now triple exclamation marks. The someone was very excited to listen to Andrew raveloe and he is again one of the nicest guys you'll meet in education Brian Carpenter at Brian car tweeted at game. Drew shares his presenter origin story taking a pee hit to grow his pln and inspires teachers. He's on his way to affecting change in his hometown and Beyond listen to him on at teachers on Fire episode 106, hashtag fresh air at five cool two degrees are now ready for Monday. Hashtag balance El AP and then later Brian also tweeted. Listen up pln at Game Boy. Drew has a great message. He's on his way at teachers. On fire. Well, thank you for the kind words. Brian Brian's been a faithful supporter of the show. And if you are interested in those early mornings get up with Brian at five o'clock, wherever you are in whatever time zone you may find yourself and go for a walk. Listen to some podcasts PD and join in with Brian at the hashtag fresh air at five next Janelle McLaughlin. Also a former guest of the show at Ms. Underscore Mac for tweeted. I'm Only halfway through this at teachers on fire podcast with at Game Boy Drew OMG. Loving the future city project Andrew. So exciting. I want to talk to you more about this and some other things. I've already heard in the interview well to all of the people I've mentioned here. Thank you so much for the encouragement. And if you have read replied liked or retweeted my content on Twitter. Thank you from the bottom of my heart podcasting is my passion and it feels incredible to know that listeners are finding value in what I'm sure. Sharing you truly are the fuel to my fire. I will also invite you to check out the teachers on fire Magazine on medium where this week. We featured a story by Tammy bright wiser at tlb. REI t-- on Twitter called how far back to books go for you Tammy talks about the connections between our earliest reading experiences and our reading and learning as adults and she gets into a little bit of an anecdote about her. Very first Scholastic Book Fair, which brings back memories for many Us I think next Caitlin Giordano at mrs. Underscore Giordano on Twitter wrote skills specific writing conferences. Caitlin is really combining two areas of keen interest for me. And those are grading conferences and writing feedback Kaitlyn is a master in both of these spaces. So make sure you give that article a look. Well if you're wondering well, how do I find the teachers on fire magazine? It's a medium publication and you'll find it over on medium.com or on the medium app if you're Already an education blogger consider joining our growing writing team there. You can continue to publish content on your own blog and you keep full credit and ownership of your content on medium message me at teachers on fire on any social media platform for more details. Well teachers on fire. I will leave you with this quote from my reading it comes from a book called professionally driven and power every educator to redefine PD by Gerald Boorman and you'll find him on Twitter. @jj Borman, that's jbo RM ann3 and he writes Thomas Gus key reminds us that the sole purpose of professional development is to have a positive effect on learner outcomes. So my question for you administrators and education leaders is this is your professional development having direct and positive effects on learner outcomes. If we can't answer a firm yes to that question. Maybe we need to rethink how we are designing and constructing. In our professional development opportunities. And again, I'm excited about this medium and other mediums in the way professional development may be changing and evolving. It's a slow-moving ship takes time to turn it around, but I think we are getting better at our professional development and Trevor touched on that in this conversation. Well again, I'm your host Tim KV, and I'm so grateful that you decided to spend some of your day listening to this podcast. I hope that in some way the content you heard today from Trevor. Ever Mackenzie ignited your thinking and inspired your practice. I'll meet you next week right here on the teachers on fire podcast. Take care and have a great week.

TREVOR MACKENZIE is a learner, teacher, speaker, consultant, and outdoor enthusiast. He is regarded by many as the preeminent voice on inquiry-based learning today, authoring Dive into Inquiry: Amplify Learning and Empower Student Voice (https://amzn.to/33fGvZE) and co-authoring Inquiry Mindset: Nurturing the Dreams, Wonders, and Curiosities of Our Youngest Learners (https://amzn.to/2JNgjhs). In our conversation, Trevor recalls the challenges of his first years in the profession. He defines inquiry-based learning, describes how educators can take their first steps into the inquiry swimming pool, and answers the questions many educators have around assessment in an inquiry model. Trevor goes on to talk about what else is setting him on fire in education today, his next big professional goal, a productivity hack that he holds dear, and a personal passion completely outside of education. As we close, he also shouts out some of the voices and resources that shape his thinking and inspire his professional practice. You can connect with Trevor ... On Twitter @Trev_MacKenzie On Instagram @TNTMacKenzie At his website: https://www.trevormackenzie.com/ Visit https://teachersonfire.net/ for all the show notes and links from this episode! Connect with the Teachers on Fire podcast on social media: On Twitter: https://twitter.com/TeachersOnFire On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teachersonfire/ On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TeachersOnFire/ On LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/TimWCavey On The Teachers on Fire Magazine: https://medium.com/teachers-on-fire On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFDPjkAn7lZb-rahyVDttKA Song Track Credits Intro: Easy (by Mike Cosmo -- license purchased at https://taketones.com/) Outtro: Bluntedsesh4 (by Tha Silent Partner, courtesy of FreeMusicArchive.org) --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/teachersonfire/support

Welcome to another episode of wake up with Natasha. I am your host Natasha Mac and I am a psychic medium a spiritual mentor and an akashic record reader and in this episode, I actually I actually recorded this episode yesterday and I saved this part for today. So you're going to be able to see a difference in my energy my tone. Sorry, you're going to be able to hear the difference. I really wanted to focus yesterday on just the content and sharing the Vol the vulnerable and raw information that I shared so. Yeah, this this moment that I'm recording. I'm in a different energy. I'm in a different space. It's a different day and I'm feeling really good and I'm really excited for you guys to hear just to hear my story to hear the journey that I've been on and for you to be able to see where I am today. And the difference there because I know you're going to hear you're going to hear what I've what I've gone through. I tried to fit as much as I could in this episode, but there's of course so many other things that I could have added that I didn't. That just didn't come through naturally. For those of you who've been listening to my episode since the beginning. You know that I just kind of go with the flow. Like I don't pre-plan content. I want it to come through as naturally as possible and to just flow so maybe you know, there'll be other opportunities with other episodes where I share more. Go more in-depth with some of the information that I shared in this episode. But for now what came through I really do feel was was meant to come through something that I realized that I didn't mention was just the anxiety and depression aspect of my journey and that was probably the biggest the biggest thing that Influenced me. I guess like anxiety and depression was severe for me throughout my childhood and teen years and even up until my Awakening. I was still struggling with anxiety and depression. So that is something that was a very strong theme in my life that I Did go through, you know, I can vividly remember experiencing horrific anxiety attacks in school or even at home wherever out in public, you know where I was actually hyperventilating. I felt like I was going to pass out. Eventually, I learned how some of my anxiety attacks were more internal and I know that a lot of people don't realize they have anxiety because they don't have the external anxiety. The internal anxiety is like an inner Panic like you seem fine on the outside, but on the inside, there's alarm Bells going off your minds racing a million miles per minute. You may be more like irritable and you know, you're having like shorter breaths. I actually don't know why I'm sharing this right now, but it's probably just supposed to come out this way anyways, and then depression. Well, there's been times where my depression was so bad that I actually had physical symptoms and you know couldn't get out of bed or super unmotivated. I remember being 11 going to the doctor's office and the doctor not knowing how to help me because there were no antidepressants that you can give to an 11 year old eventually at the age of 13. I was put on antidepressants, but they did not react with me well whatsoever. So I stopped taking them since then. I have tried different medications. Unfortunately, none of them ever worked for me. Because I'm so highly sensitive to what goes into my body. And that's just something I needed to accept. It was a difficult thing for me to accept and there's been many times where I wanted to try to, you know, go on some sort of medication, but I know that it's just not for me and this doesn't mean that I'm against medication or that I'm going to You know, like or that I speak badly of it. I believe that what works for some may not work for others and what works for some is medication and there's nothing wrong with that. So I just wanted to make that clear that is just something that wasn't for me and that's okay. So that meant that I needed to learn to cope with my anxiety and depression in other ways. It really forced me to Go deeper Within Myself and go down to the root and you know learn tools to help myself cope and that's why I have so many tools now and that's why I'm able to share these tools with with people and I'm able to share what worked for me. Okay, so I just kind of wanted to get all of that out before we get into. Everything that I recorded previously. So I think that we'll go ahead and get into it and I just want to thank you in advance for being here for listening to my story and I hope you have some tissues with you just in case yeah, I'm just so grateful. So let's go ahead and get started. when I was 16 years old, I can vividly remember sitting in the library at my high school and I remember just feeling so defeated and like I couldn't take it anymore. I had been holding inside of me a deep dark secret that was eating away at me since I was a little girl and this was a deep dark secret that I was not allowed to share with anyone but in this moment. I I knew that it was time and it's like something inside me forced the words out of my mouth. I was with my high school secretary. And I remember crying and just opening up with her because I felt very safe with her and that's when it happened. That's when I finally shared with her that I had been sexually abused within my home as a child. and I did it without realizing that there could be consequences in my mind. I just needed to open up and to release and again, she was someone who was safe for me and as it turned out and it makes sense now, but at the time. I was so panicked when I learned that she had no choice but to share. The information I just gave her she had to she had to tell the principal and they had to call Children's Aid. Yeah, and then they had to get the police involved. So it was kind of like a domino effect and it definitely felt in that moment that my whole life was falling apart because I was doing sorry I wasn't even doing okay. I was going to say I was doing okay getting by but honestly, I think it was just I was surviving right and I have spoken about survival. And you know surviving through life before in previous episodes, and I meant it when I said that I lived most of my life simply surviving. I truly truly meant that and so like I said, this was kind of a catalyst for me this specific moment me at 16 years old opening up about the truth of my past and what had been eating at me. Throughout my childhood and teenage years and I remember being in such a panic because I knew what this meant. I knew this meant that you know, someone that I truly cared about was going to be getting into trouble. I knew that this meant change was occurring. I knew this meant that maybe I wasn't safe anymore. I was terrified of what would come of this. And and so I had to share the story a story. I kept inside for a decade mate. Not not even a decade I guess but I guess it had been a decade since everything had had started. So yeah, I guess I could say that but anyways. I I had to finally share. what had happened and I had never Actually set it like I never had shared the details so much of what had happened to me as a child wasn't even clear to me yet yet. I was expected to open up and talk about it and I had no choice now, you know, I opened up a little bit and now I needed to let it all out and I was not ready to do that and so I had to share it to the very nice Cas lady which was you know, the child protective services lady and then I was brought to the police station. Where I was then put inside of a room with a man. Okay, just me and this man and it was I I can barely remember it because I had been disassociating with my body this entire time. So my memory is still very foggy, but I can remember that the room was dark not that there wasn't any light but I just mean it was so hard to explain anyways, so it's just me and him and he gave me a brief explanation before they started recording of what to expect what kind of questions he was going to ask me. He said to Like if I was going to be talking about any of my body parts to use proper terms for them. Yeah, and then they started recording and this no longer felt like I was a victim. I suddenly felt like I was being interrogated and kind of ripped apart. and I truly believe that the way. They went about that. Was so traumatic for me like further traumatizing for me. Yeah, but anyways. I did what I needed to do. I was not mentally emotionally capable of sharing every detail with this stranger with a man that I didn't know that I wasn't comfortable with. You know me being extremely triggered in in this whole situation in the first place. I know that I didn't do my best. to do that you know to do what I needed to do and unfortunately, nothing was done about it about what had happened to me. There was no further investigating nothing my abuser. wasn't even brought in you know for questioning absolutely nothing. And so I remember after that. I hadn't even eaten that entire day. By the way. I hadn't eaten I needed water. I remember just feeling so out of my body just so out of my body and I was brought home. Sorry not even home. I was brought to my eldest sister. Home because that was going to be my place to live. I was not allowed to stay within my home anymore. and Yeah, that's wow. I'm having a really hard time. Okay, so like I was saying I was told I was not allowed to live in my home anymore because that is where my abuser lived and so I was 16 years old and needed to be on my own. So thankfully I had my oldest sister and I Brought their they explained to her what would be happening and of course. She welcomed me and with open arms, which I'm very grateful for and then we had to drive over to my place before. My Views are came home from work and I grabbed all my things in a garbage bag and and that was it then I I lived at my sister's place and Who as you can imagine? This brought up a lot of feelings of unworthiness. due to the fact that there was nothing done for me. I had a lot of people disown me. And speak very ill of me within the family and I felt very very unsupported from a lot of people and from the system honestly the system in general clearly. If you're listening to this you're going to think wow, something's wrong what's going on? But keep in mind this was 12 years ago. Sorry going on. Teen years ago now that this happens so changes have been made within the system thankfully to protect young people. I'm not saying it's perfect though. There are still so many things that need to be done to protect our kids and teens, okay because I was 16. I was I was literally told nothing could be done for me because I was 16 years old. Okay, so I was still a child in my eyes anyways, so. Like I was saying. That brought up a lot for me. And I truly believed that I was just Unworthy of so many things. I'm sure you can imagine the list of things that I felt Unworthy of and just unworthy in general. And so I spent the rest of my teen years looking for love in all the wrong places. I I was constantly nitpicking at myself for the way. I looked for my size. The way I ate was horrible. I did suffer with a few Eating Disorders where I would either starve myself or I would binge eat and that was a coping tool for me for many years. I mean even before that situation happened. Wood was a problem food was an addiction but also a way of kind of punishing myself because you know, I didn't love myself and again, I didn't feel worthy. So there was that and I've shared before on a post about how I also suffered with body dysmorphia on and off and if that's a term that you're not familiar with I welcome you to well that I think it's really good to just be aware of these things because a lot of people have this and it's not really spoken about but for me in my early 20s, especially I feel like that's when it really kicked in for me where I would look at myself in the mirror and I would actually see a monster. I would see someone who just looked. Terrifying and that's what I truly believed. I looked like and so whenever I was out in public. Especially like if I didn't dress a certain way and if I didn't make sure my hair was done if I didn't make sure my makeup was done. I if I saw someone looking at me in my brain, my inner voice told me that they were nitpicking at me. They were judging me. They were able to see the monster that I saw I would actually start to sweat and panic if I saw someone looking at me, I it wasn't even About like the thought never crossed my mind that someone could have been just admiring me and that breaks my heart. I knew I would need to stop recording a bunch of times for this episode, but I didn't realize. Just how many times or just how difficult this would be for me? Yeah, so I just wanted to be kind of open and and real with you guys about how difficult this is for me and you know, just some insights on on what it what it looks like behind the scenes right now anyways, so as I was saying the thought never occurred to me that someone could have possibly been admiring me or I don't know just attracted to me or whatever. That didn't cross my mind because I was not in a place to receive anything like that in my mind like what my inner voice constantly fed me was that I was worthless. I was hideous. I was fat, you know like to me then fat was a terrible thing. even though I I love women of all shapes of anyone and I love people in general of all shapes and sizes and I grew up just admiring people who who were all shapes and sizes and who just owned that and who had that confidence and it's just something I couldn't find Within Myself And so even though I was At a healthy weight in my mind. I didn't see that and that's what the body dysmorphia also does is you could be so thin and in your brain, you wont be able to see that or accept that? Yeah, anyways, so. That that was you know, my struggles with body image and just self-image and there was no self-love ever to be found. That's for sure. but that that had so much to do with that inner voice and that inner voice is developed from childhood from your experiences from your parents from your teachers and just your environment. and so there were so many things that I was exposed to. That created such. and awful and cruel in her voice and you know, this is why this is why I am so profoundly passionate about helping people. In in the way that I do with helping them recognize their souls voice because getting in touch with your souls bite voice is so liberating. Okay, but it's a practice. I'll tell you that it is a practice especially when you go from having the inner voice that I had for so many years to to going into using your souls voice and and listening to that and recognizing it and enhancing it and allowing it to lead you and Empower you and believing that that is your truth. Okay, because that other voice that I had living inside of me telling me lies telling me I was worthless telling me I was disgusting. Telling me that I should. starve myself over feed myself to the point that I could blow up or harm myself physically harm myself, which is another thing that I did and now I have scars for the rest of my life, which I'm still learning to accept. Yeah. That inner voice convinced me to do things like that. Okay to harm myself to be in situations that were so terrifying. Aye-aye. There was so many times too many to count on my two hands where I have put myself in situations that were dangerous with people who were dangerous. I've been inside vehicles with men, you know a decade older than me who were drunk and driving me. I've gone to parties where I ended up sleeping outside in the middle of nowhere. in just the clothes that I had on I've yeah, I went through my fair share of of being what's that word promised promiscuous or you know, like I said earlier looking for love in all the wrong places looking to just feel A little bit of being wanted and desired because I didn't know. what love even was I didn't know what that meant or what it felt like or I didn't know what it meant to even love myself enough respect myself enough. And so I found myself in these horrific situations and yeah, I I often had that voice inside my head saying see like saying sorry snot seeing saying like see. Life is not worth living. So why do you keep trying? Why do you keep trying? This is how it's always gonna be. It's always going to be this way. And the names. Oh my God the names that this inner voice would call me. or so cruel But I know that. That was all a part of my path and they don't lie when they tell you that the life of a Healer is an extremely difficult one because the life of a Healer means that you go through it first so that you can lead the way for others. That is the truth. And that was my path. I had to go through many things. I had to experience many things. I had to feel many different emotions and like sit in those emotions. So that I know how to help people on a deep deep level. Like the deepest level because I've been there. I've been to Hell and back. I've collapsed on my knees praying to God to please help me to please shut this inner voice up because I could not live with it. And I know that there's so many people. Today who still have this inner voice that is a lie that tells you lies it it, you know puts these awful thoughts in your mind. And I just I my biggest wish for the whole world for everyone living on this planet is for them to exercise the right. to discover and then live in their truth. and being led by their souls voice because that is freedom and empowerment And it's not always butterflies and rainbows. I promise you my life today is not butterflies and rainbow. Sorry butterflies and rainbows all the time. I still have to constantly work on myself. Look at what I'm talking about right now. Do you think this is comfortable? Do you think this is easy because it's not It is so hard for me to go back to those images and those experiences and those feelings, but I know that I need to because I know that I meant to share this for a reason and last week. It just it came to me that I needed to to talk about some of my struggles with mental illness and I shared it in my Instagram stories asking what your thoughts were my amazing listeners what your thoughts were about me sharing this. And the response that I received were or sorry was overwhelming. But like in a beautiful way just how many people needed to hear this and to know that they're not alone because this is this has become a normal. To to be trapped by our own minds my mind Used to Be My Own Worst Enemy. It really was. Sleeping sleeping with so difficult. I'm not as Afraid of the Dark now, but it was definitely a huge huge fear of mine my whole life. Because when I was in the dark and that inner voice would come through and those thoughts would start coming through those images in my mind would start coming through. and yeah, it's like the the night time was the worst. So I would actually fall asleep with the TV on usually something funny. It had to be something funny could never be anything scary. or sad because I knew just like intuitively. I knew that I needed to watch something that would help lift me helped Raise Me Up and I didn't understand that then but now I understand that's my way of raising my vibration. So I would always put it on something that was familiar and something that was funny something that was very like light-hearted and that's how I would follow But for me to just lay in bed and while asleep on my own no way. No way I couldn't and now I realize that so many of those things that I was so afraid to acknowledge Within Myself were actually coming to the surface to be acknowledged. They were coming up so that I could have a look at them so they could be released. But I was too afraid and that is another thing that so many people do they're too afraid to listen to what's inside of them or to acknowledge what's coming up for them because it's so uncomfortable and it can be so scary. And so we distract ourselves we do things to get away from our own selves we numb ourselves, which is another thing I did often. I numbed myself with whatever I could. Thankfully I never got into hard drugs. I'm so grateful for that. But I know that I know that things would not have Ended sorry. No, I know that things would have ended. I know that my life would have ended if I would have gotten into hard drugs because that path would have taken me down a very very scary. It would have taken me to a scary place. So my way of numbing myself was with food, you know cigarettes and pills. And alcohol I suppose. But yeah continuing on the topic of what I was saying. I kind of felt like I was channeling for a bit because I was talking so fast, but so many of us are so afraid of spending time with ourselves. Even though that's the key. That's the key to discovering Your Truth your your souls voice rather than that inner critic that ego, right? When you when you spend time with yourself? And you acknowledge what's coming up and then you you go deeper with it? Okay, like where's this coming from? What is what is the root of this? Like that's how you begin. Freeing yourself. It is a practice. It is like going to the gym and strengthening a muscle. It's uncomfortable. It's not fun, but it is a practice and the more you do it. So the more you spend time with yourself and you start to really acknowledge and be mindful of your thoughts of that inner voice of your emotions be mindful of all of it. Everything coming up for you has a purpose. Look at it face it you are strong enough. If you're strong enough to continue to live daily every single day making the choice. Okay today today. I'm staying here today. I'm living. I'm doing this despite having that voice inside your mind. Like I had then you already Are strong enough and brave enough and courageous enough? And it's important that when you are practicing this that you are reminding yourself that you're safe, right? Don't don't get lost in it. You need to look around and see okay in this moment. I am safe. Nothing bad is happening. I'm no longer a child who's vulnerable and helpless right or I'm no longer experiencing trauma In This Moment, whatever it may be whatever your circumstances where whatever your trauma was. You are not in it in this moment, and that's what you need to remind yourself. and if it gets too overwhelming stop reconnect with your heart breathe go outside if you can to ground yourself. do something familiar go see someone familiar like if they're with you or Whatever it maybe do something that's just going to help bring you back to the present moment. Okay, but it's so normal for you to to cry to experience some some anxiety about this because you're you're actually having a reaction. You know, your body is reacting to what's coming up to the upheaval and you're releasing. And breathing through all of that is Mega important. I had to get to know myself all over again when I chose this journey for myself. Once I had my first Awakening that's when I started actually going Inward and acknowledging. What was there? I'm becoming more mindful of what was happening within myself because I knew okay. This is this is what I need to do in order to do this work, you know, I needed to experience growth and overcoming and empowerment and that that is how I got to where I am today. By doing the inner work, and I'm not special. I'm not I I am just like everyone else. I'm you know, yeah, okay. I may be a psychic medium and have have all these abilities but that doesn't make me lucky or special. It doesn't mean that I I am more capable than anyone else and I know that everyone else has the ability to get to know themselves and to do the inner work and to experience growth on a mental emotional physical level. You know, it's it is possible. It's possible to change your inner dialogue. It's possible to rewrite those stories and that's right. That's why I wrote my go heal yourself. I said go heal yourself by the way workbook because Inner child healing is so important and in the book, I've shared just so many different exercises on how to tune in how to connect with your inner child how to how to empower them how to give them what they need. That is all a part of the process. You need to begin with the child within you who is feeling lost and unsafe and unsupported and like they're the ones feeling that lack and normally when we're trying to fill a void it's because we're more filling an empty space where love should be that's what that is when you're trying to fill a void your it's an empty space where love should be And not only that but when you're trying to numb yourself, you're trying to quiet that inner child who's begging for attention who's begging for love who's begging for acknowledgement? So if you are someone who's looking to do some deep in her work some deep healing. And to help yourself overcome limits and blocks and you don't know where to start start with your inner child because that is where you will discover so much. About yourself and so much about why you are the way you are who you are as an adult. and why certain things are so hard for you and why you have anxiety about certain things or why you get depressed around certain time of year. It all has meaning but it doesn't have to control you and it doesn't have to Sorry, you don't have to be a prisoner of it. Like I said, it's uncomfortable work. But if this is as if this is something that you don't feel like you can do on your own there are people out there who can help you with it and it'll be so worth it and it'll change your life. I personally was a prisoner of my Trauma, you know like I was a victim for many years and I had a victim mindset for many years and all of those are signs of needing inner child healing. I'm so grateful that there was a time where I was finally ready to make an appointment with a psychologist. And it was that was another like pivotal moment for me on my journey kind of the beginning actually, which I also share in my inner child healing workbook. I share about how he was the one who spoke about little Natasha and how she still very much existed within me and he had shared with me how I could visualize her or even look at pictures, you know, look at pictures from your childhood and and use that as a way to help you connect with them. Something that I can share with you all that you can do is you can write a letter to your younger self. I feel like I'm jumping all over the place. I'm sorry for that. I feel very ungrounded because normally talking about my trauma or my past experiences. I still tend to disassociate from my body, but I am working through that. Anyways, I was saying, yes, so you can write a letter to your younger self telling them. Anything that they need to hear and you know, take take the opportunity to be who you needed. Basically you can also work with your inner child through visualization spending time with them holding them, you know telling them you love them and allowing them to share. Messages with you that you are needing to hear because like I said earlier connecting with them and doing that inner child healing work can really help you get down to the root of so many things in your life. I've spoken before about how important past life healing is also because a lot of our Trauma from past lives could come into our current lives also, so this is why For my Awakening calls and my energy scans I focus on both and I feel like this is so powerful. And this is what makes the work that I do so powerful for my clients because I am putting the two together. So if you ever have the opportunity to do both, you know to do some inner child healing to do some past life healing I highly highly recommend it. But if you are new to all of this which some of you are I highly recommend just beginning with the inner child healing and you know, there are some books there are lots of books out there. On this subject a lot of people call it re parenting. I don't use that term often, but that is another part of it, you know re parenting yourself the way that you needed to be parented. So setting boundaries. Having yourself do things that you know are necessary like getting yourself to eat or saying okay that's enough now or you know, making yourself go to bed so that you get proper rest going outside to get some fresh air, you know taking care of yourself loving yourself. That's that's what re parenting is all about. So if you can find books on that, that'll be really empowering for you. But even just beginning the way that I said, you know, you don't need anything outside of yourself. If that is too much for you right now even just spending time with yourself loving yourself honoring yourself nurturing yourself. That is that is step one that is step one and that in itself could be a lot for people and I know that because I've been there. It took a lot for me to make this a practice and to make this a part of my routine to be mindful of my inner dialogue and to say hey, you know what? That's not nice if you wouldn't say that to a child don't say it about yourself. Okay, that's a rule that I say to clients. Also not only when you are creating but even just about yourself in general if you would not say that to a child. Why are you saying it to yourself? Because your soul is listening. Your inner child is listening. So be mindful. Of your inner dialogue be mindful of what you're feeding yourself. Not just food the people who you surround yourself with what you listen to what you watch. How did you know places? places you go How is that making you feel? Energy is is important and you you need to take care of your energy, right? Just like you need to take care of yourself mind body and spirit. That's that's a whole part of self-care and self-love and you know what the more you do that the more you love yourself the more you take care of yourself, the more you make time for yourself the louder your souls voice gets I promise you. It's like punching that inner critic in the face. It's like it's like it's lessening the power that the other inner voice has over you when you prove that inner voice that yes, I am worthy. Yes, I do deserve love. You know what? I mean? So these These are tools that I've developed a knife practice and have Like they've worked for me. I am proof that all of this works because I've experienced it firsthand and I've helped many many many many clients the same way. With the inner child work with them the mindfulness and reconnecting with your heart reconnecting with your souls voice being just aware allowing yourself to feel when you needs to be felt and acknowledge what needs to be acknowledged all of this is the key to freeing yourself. From the things within you that are haunting you. Okay. So I know that this isn't that fun of an episode nothing about this is fun. This was one of the hardest things that I Have had to do and not that I had to do it, but I definitely felt a strong pull to do it and I had the akashic records giving me their blessing also that yes, this is what's needed right now. This is how you can help others right now. And whenever I asked Spirit or you know, the akashic records, how may I serve and they give me an answer? Well, I do that because That is what I'm here for. I am here to serve others. And if that means I need to become a sobbing blubbering mess on my podcast on episode 4 then I guess I'm doing it. Yeah, definitely not easy, but I'm grateful, you know, I am I'm grateful for my resiliency, and I'm grateful for the strength that I've developed over the years and not only is this episode for you guys, but I know that this episode is for 16 year old me. And I'm going to start crying again because I never gave her. I've never taken a moment to tell her how proud I am of her and how strong she was. She had to be strong and she had to do what she had to do to survive and I understand that and I forgive her and I love her so much. and I'm so grateful that she never gave up because there were many opportunities for her to give up and there were many times where her life could have been ended and she chose every day to wake up and to keep going and so for that I am so grateful because Not too long after just before I turned 17. I met my husband. Yeah, I met him and I instantly fell in love with him and not too long after I got pregnant with our daughter Carly. and before I got pregnant I didn't care about school. I didn't care about life and I was on track of basically going down a really bad path. And when I found out I was pregnant. I knew that God had given me. A gift and it was the gift of life and unconditional love and that kept me going and that gave me the motivation. I needed to get my life straightened out and I started going to school every day even with morning sickness. I went to school and I was so supported by The staff at my high school, they fed me they they help take care of me and I made it on the honor roll because I just I had a reason to live and I really turned my life around and I'm so grateful. That I was given her at the age that I had her because I know that without her I would not be here today. I am so sorry if it is so hard for you to listen to this because I keep crying and I probably sound horrific. Oh my God, but if you've made it this far give yourself a pat on the back. Also, if you've made it this far without Cryin you deserve a gold star. Um, anyways yeah, she basically saved me and I'm really grateful for that but You know, it didn't mean that everything was going to be better after that. It meant okay now I really need to work on myself because now I have a little girl looking up to me and Yeah, so that was definitely motivation. But a lot of people just don't know. That that part of my story so I just felt like I should I should add that. I suppose that I eventually need to conclude this episode. So even though I feel like I'm probably missing some things and you know, I'll probably remember a few of those things later on. I feel like I'm just going to leave it be and trust that what came through was meant to come through and that this is what's going to help so many of you so I'm just so grateful. That you've made it this far and that you're listening to this episode because I can imagine it wasn't an easy one to listen to. But I really appreciate all of the love and support coming from everyone. I never thought that that would be possible for me, especially coming from a podcast. I didn't know that I had things to share but as it turns out I do and so my intention for this episode is just for it to inspire many of you to motivate many of you because this, you know living living a seoul-based life. is possible for everyone and You don't need to be a prisoner. to that inner voice You know, the one that tells you lies and feeds you fear and keeps you trapped. that that doesn't have to be your life and That was my life for so long for ninety-seven percent of my life was like that. And so I know just how valuable it is to no longer be in a space where that is my reality. And so that's my biggest wish for you. All is to connect you all with your soul and your heart space and to help Empower you and to inspire you to go within yourself and to know that that's that's where it begins is with you and within yourself and this this was the you know, the the hardest. The hardest episode for sure for me to share with you all. I thought my first one was but no this one definitely has it beat. I don't think I'll ever record another episode where I'm so vulnerable. I'm and crying so much but I know that there's a purpose for it. And I know that this this was important for me to share so I did it and I feel So exhausted from all of the energy. I just moved in from crying so much. So I'm going to leave it at that, but I wanted to just add quickly that if you know someone who could truly benefit from listening to this episode, please share it with them if you enjoyed this episode share it or you know, find me on social media. Yeah, I would love if you found me on Instagram or Facebook at rise with Natasha and shared a comment. Or even message me to let me know how much this has helped you anything. I would love to hear from you because this was so hard for me because this is because I'm being so vulnerable for you guys. It just helps me to know that. I'm on the right track. Not that I should be relying on outside validation, of course, but I'm sure you can imagine just being in my position right now. anyways Thank you all so much. I'm so grateful for you and until next time I will talk to you later. Bye.

In this episode I become extremely vulnerable and raw as I open up and share some of my past struggles and hardships with anxiety, depression and other forms of mental illness during childhood and my teenage years. Last week, I shared in my Instagram stories how I felt called to share about my past and my personal struggles with mental health. So many of my beautiful listeners and followers gave me a big YES to go through with this episode and expressed how you needed to hear this. As a Mentor I feel it's important for me to be transparent about the struggles I've had so others can feel hopeful and see that there is another side to all of this - life DOES get better. I am in a space now where I am the happiest, most empowered and aligned I've ever been, and it felt like the right time to reflect on how far I've come and the resiliency that got me to where I am today despite all of the obstacles. Aside from me sharing some of my story, I talk about how I've coped, healed and overcame so much of what used to keep me prisoner. My wish is for my story and coping tools to help many of you who can relate and/or are currently struggling in similar ways. I also hope this inspires you to speak up about your own story and to recognize how far you've come, no matter where you are currently on your journey. You deserve to use your voice and be heard. Your story can help so many! If you feel called to share your story, please tag me @risewithnatashia on IG so I can read it! Thank you for being here.

Welcome to season 2 episode 2 of the offset podcast today. We'll be talking with dr. Ben and dr. Donald from kinetic impact about their origins in the health and fitness industry the roles of chiropractic medicine and sports performance and much much more. So without further Ado, let's count it off.Hello offset Med listeners. We are with dr. Benjamin Deluca. And dr. Donald mole who are doctors of chiropractic medicine at kinetic impact and also the backstage therapist for the Beyond Babel crew. It's your host Aaron. We've got this super super special episode with you guys. So yeah if dr. Donald and dr. Ben if youKick ass off on this episode. Yeah first I'd like to thank you guys all for tuning in and I'm losing my voice. So bear with me. I'm not a 75 year old woman, but I may sound like one today. How's it going guys? I'm dr. Donald. Thank you guys for having us. Thank you guys for having us and thank you guys for listening awesome. So if you could give our listeners kind of like a brief introduction about you mean it could be from education work experience your personal accolades, whatever you want throw in there. Yeah. Yeah sure. I'll get started. So again, dr. Donald mole. My education background is University of Laverne in Starting in high school. I was always interested in science has back then it was more so chemistry. I think the major reason is because in those formative years if you like the teacher that teaches the course you like the subject so chemistry was I was just really into chemistry in the high school and I decided I got recruited by University of Laverne to play football and that's where I went to my To get my undergrad and I went in as a chemistry major soon realized I did not want to be a pharmacist and I didn't really want didn't like the idea of pushing drugs wasn't for me. So I changed my major into Kinesiology and that's what I ended up majoring in was Kinesiology. I was always interested in how the body moves and how it interacts of being an athlete myself. I'd it just really interested me and allowed me to stay into the realm of science. Um and then fast forward to my graduation time, I had spent a lot of time with football dedicated to football and after that road ended I was kind of like what am I going to do? Next life kind of did the whole hit you in the face thing? So I switch gears and wanted to be a fireman because really I just wanted to get that locker room and tality back. I was missing the game. I was missing being bald. And in a group of a lot of people and with that camaraderie aspect, so I went into EMT training. I did EMT quickly realize that wasn't for me mainly because of the the deaths and the tolls that I saw from the family members right matters spec for any of the First Responders out there just quickly found it wasn't for me and it led me into wanting to prevent people from being on the gurney rather than I'm carrying them out on the gurney so that took me to wanting to be actually physical therapist first spoke to one of my former teammates in college and he was actually going through a doctor and Chiropractic program and told me to look into it and the biggest difference for me was the ability to be a primary care physician as a doctor of Chiropractic. For those of you don't know typically for to see a PT. You have to get a referral from an orthopedic surgeon. The norm or an position of some sort and I like the idea of not having to have that script being written to me. I like the idea of being the first person that comes see if they do have back pain if they do have knee pain. I like I like that aspect. So I went and got my doctor and Chiropractic in this where I met this guy. So yeah, so my story is way different. Yes it is, but it's still awesome. So coming out of high school. I had almost no And right so he didn't want to push drugs legally. I didn't want to push drugs illegally, but I didn't really have a direction that I wanted to go. But I always did like working out and exercise and I was passionate about it. It's kind of a wayward soul. I started working in the fitness industry in the year 2000. So most of you guys were probably barely alive what were some of the places that you got started. Oh, man, so I originally in 2000 I got started at 24 Hour Fitness. I left there opened up my own training Studio left there started just moving up in the fitness industry. I was running Jim's I was like a regional manager by the time I left I never stopped working with people. So I had even when I was at a higher level of position in management, I always kept a few clients towards the end of my career there. I would end up getting like referrals. I get referrals from like orthopedic surgeons. Are you referrals from different kinds of people and they're like, hey, Why don't you take a look and I think you can work with this person and they would send them over with a diagnosis and a whole bunch of words. I didn't understand and they're like fix them and most the time. I I did pretty good. Like I didn't hurt them. So that was like the main goal. I didn't make them worse and a lot of times I got better and then I hit a point where you know, I'm going to go back to school. I got my bachelor's degree while I was working full-time that was in business management at the time and I have a whole laundry list of you know acronyms after my name that don't really matter. I'm a million different kinds of certifications and I was getting this demographic and I was really thinking I'm going to work with this population for these people. I need to know more. I need to be more prepared. I need to get more knowledge. And at the same time I was also tired of really working for people being told what to do how to do it had my own ideas. I'd rather do something and completely fail on my own then do something and fail under guidance. I didn't agree with and Chiropractic made a lot of sense to me. I'd worked with the chiropractor personally that helped me get through several different injuries I had And I finally hit this point where I'm either going to do it now, or I'm never going to do it. And so I went back to school got my doctorate when I was 33. It's never too late. So yes, I graduated it. Whatever age that is 30 36 36, you might have been 37. Hey, take it easy there. Yeah, so that was that was kind of a brought me to this and along the way I met dr. Donald in school and we immediately well, actually he helped me get through the first year. I had no idea how to study right like I hadn't been in school setting since I was basically in high school my bachelor's I pretty much And all online so sit down in the class and being told what to do after being like a regional manager. I was used to walking into places and people act busy. No one did that for me anymore. So the it was a big culture shock and I had no idea how to study and this guy really helped me get get through those initial processes, but then we started to realize we had this huge passion for the same kind of stuff. We had a huge passion for even like changing what people think of as a chiropractor and how we did our They're in our approach and then rest is history. Yeah, it comes very kind of Blends right into our next question. You know, what was forming kinetic impact like or what has been that that process been for you because you guys serve a very unique population and you have your own unique philosophy unlike what is chiropractic medicine how you serve and treat your patients. Yeah, that's like two questions. So the first like how we formed kinetic impact We knew coming out of school. We wanted to work together. But at the same time we were both getting pulled in two different directions. Like dr. Donald had huge opportunities. He was really sought after there's a lot of people that wanted to bring him into their fold that wanted him to go work for them and be an associate at the same time. I was looking at different options and there's a day on the phone. I called him, you know, we'd recently graduated. We were both working with different places. And I described the situation that we could happen. Like we can work directly on this weight room floor, which is a very unique environment and I think we'll be able to crush it will be able to build our business will be able to do whatever you want to do and he's like I'm in and within like two weeks he moved down from like the LA area to here. Yeah, and we started with two portable tables in the corner of a strength and conditioning facility, and we just built our entire Base organically Word of Mouth Mmm Yeah, it's actually started even when we were in school. I think the philosophy to touch on the philosophy question. I think that's really what attracted us to each other we heat with him having the background of so much personal training and strength coaching me having the opportunity to work with my strength coach who is wonderful strength coach as well as the athletic training staff that we had at University of Laverne is was top-notch for division three, I think our philosophies were so different in comparison to a lot of what people think of Chiropractic and as well as some of the students who are in at least our cohort viewed as Chiropractic, so we had such a different philosophy in terms of how we can create such change with with movement and teaching. For how to move and move better and take their health care into their own hands and give them the tools to to become better right was different than what you would expect it. I'm gonna ask you this when you guys hear the term Chiropractic. What do you think of? I feel like in my perspective at least you know, the typical like first thought process is like chiropractor. I can go for like back pain if I want to go get adjusted, right? Yeah adjustment, right? That's that's like the shingle or the the tool that they hang their hat on right? You'll see clearly see that the adjustment can be very powerful, right? It can be a solution at a certain percentage of people, but it's just a small piece of the equation. Right Movement is huge and then also to you typically don't want your people to self adjust. So what you going to do if I can adjust you and what are you going to do if the adjustment that do anything that happens right? So just how you said and you're exposed to a lot of stuff your Viewpoint when you hear the term chiropractors you think about getting your neck or back cracked right? Like you think it like a supposed to sound like a crack, but that's what you think of in for us. You know, like if you were to watch us work my goal is that you don't know what I am. Yeah, like I like I like I strength coach wait. Wait, is that a massage therapy? Wait, see you now flick trainer. I don't know. He's a chiropractor someone just something you don't know in my experience is when you start learning more and you start finding out like the guru's of your industry the guru's of movement. The title just Fades that just becomes about like knowledge and passion in research. So at that point, that's how we want to practice. So yeah, I'm proud of my education. I'm proud to say I'm a chiropractor, but if you watched me do my thing you wouldn't fully know. I think that's a sign of a if you are in the movement seen whether you're a physical therapist or an ATC or even a an orthopedist to an extent. You don't know what they are. Because they're just applying the best practices in the best Concepts available. Yeah, I think I want to piggyback off that because you know me being out of school for that too long and working with a lot of students. They really get tied up on trying to make the right decision or like the right career path. What's going to what's going to allow them to practice they way the way that they want to practice. So I think it's super great that hearing you guys you have all these credentials that I do the stuff that you do, but But he's moved beyond that. I think it's really important. And and again the go back that the big thing that is why I wanted to be a doctor of Chiropractic the debility to diagnose my own patients. It was huge my ability because you kiss up I'll give you a classic example. I can't tell you how many people come in with a what they believed to be a hamstring injury right like a hamstring tear or like their hamstring feels really really tight and they've been In their hamstring treated for whatever and it's not getting better and on further investigation. It's a herniated disc and that hamstring that they feel is a neural tension or tightness from the sciatic nerve and it's like, oh, well, it's stop stretching and irritated nerve and let's start doing this and then you get results and we never once touched the hamstring and you never once had to adjust that lumbar spine never once that and then also too if I was in a traditional Paradigm and you send me somebody as a say a physical therapist or if you're in like the traditional model and you send them over for a hamstring injury. I have to treat the hamstring injury because that's what the piece of paper says. Mmm and their bodies tell me something totally different. So I don't want to be handcuffed to that. Yeah, that's awesome guys. So I'm going to go ahead and kind of likes which lends a little bit. How did You get involved working with dancers and Performing artists, you know, we know that you were able to do some work with keone and Mari is production at Beyond a level. So that's like such a unique and crazy experience which I think that's how we ended up getting connected from from senior exposure with that. Yes, I'll take the initial part and then I'll let him let him talk some actually really smart guy. You guys want to hear what he has to say, but it really started. Really organically, right? So keone and Mari were working with Nia fam as a strength and conditioning coach. I've known had a personal relationship for him for years massive amount of respect for him. And he is a he Blends a lot of different things with what he does a lot of therapeutic stuff and really knows how to period eyes athletes and he was working with them and I contribute a lot of their success physically. Yes to what he's done in the principles that he supplied with him. But that's how we met them. They essentially were working with him. We share the same space as him. He we actually work out of his space and he introduced us. Hey they have this going on. Do you mind taking a look at this? And we said sure So we started working with them and then we just started working with them individually. And then I remember when they were talking about a the concept right before this was even outcomes before this was even out before it was an even show. We started to talk to them a little bit about like do you think this is some we can bring more to the dancers? Could we set something up where we could work with like your whole crew when this goes into production and that's how that all started. Yeah it like he said we started working with Nia directly and without getting too much into details for HIPAA compliancy purposes. We would notice some some easy. A mechanical fixes to some some some issues that were going on for for certain amount of time, right and whenever you look at an an active individual, there's some very important things you want to look at in regards to acute versus chronic load, right? So what I mean by that is your chronic load is essentially your body's capacity to take whatever demand that you're trying to put on it. So that happens over time hence the chronic part, right? So at that happens over months right how much load they can take over months at a time versus what they've been doing for maybe weeks or days up to that pain that they've been feeling that's a cute part. So that acute to Chronic ratio is super important to look at as well as the passenger. He's and the demands that they're going to be placing in the future, right? So just co-managing with Nia through their process. And and giving him the tools to work with them to a better capacity as well as gift as well as getting Hands-On and and treating them that that kind of opened the door and for us to understand and treat dancers and understand their demands and and and understand their their workloads and dancers are no different than any other athlete. So if you ever if you ever read any of the and this is actually one thing that we try to really reinforce with the dancers that we work with is I don't actually even Call them dancers. I usually refer to him as dance athletes dance athletes and it's really important that they see themselves as an athlete. You're getting athlete injuries, right you're getting MCL. Sprain is you're getting shoulder impingements. You're getting torn ligaments to getting muscle tears. Sounds like you're getting athletic injuries. So you are an athlete you're in you're putting yourself under athletic demand and I think dancers sometimes need to see themselves and be in realize that they need to sit at the same table as a football player. They need to sit at the same table as basketball players. All the other sports that are out there. They have an equal spot at that table because Demand on their body. Yeah, I think this is exactly you know, what, Dancers and population really need to hear because they have to change that narrative for themselves. Right? Yes. It's that you know for too long, you know, the cultures always been like, you know, we're kind of just we're just here to do our art form. We're just here to dance but as far as the approach for those that are looking to really increase their performance, maybe make a professional career out of it and and I've seen this now with dancers who are basically dancing. Being either all season long or looking to do more training on top of their dance training. So I feel like you know when this art style was was first kind of like born and created. It was more of like a freedom of expression and now people are using it as a way of life monetizing it turning it into things that you know are by needs to recover from just like an athlete does. It's like anything else right? So you just look at the evolution of it the Howdy, we talked earlier but like a b-boy and breakdancing the physicality that's involved in that combined with the Precision. It takes to line up a gymnastic aerobic you needed muscle strength power explosiveness. You need to be able to be able to stop on a dime depending on what's going on and you need to be able to react to the music the be in the crowd right so that these elements are our that's what unique to dance but it is like anything else progresses the amount of athleticism starts to substantially increase, you know, everybody's going to up their game and that's what you see and that's essentially like what breakdancer be boys started office. Watch this. Boom. What do you got and they come out and you see something in your like. Oh, okay. I got to do something better than that and that competitive spirit and environment just / continually promotes and perpetuates. One more athletic Demand on somebody and same thing with other forms of dance. It's just the more extreme form. Yeah, definitely agree, you know where I want to go into a deep dive real quick. And is it cool if we kind of share the exercise you took the letter and I threw this morning was that trademark secretive. No. No, so let me just kind of explain like a how that starts so for one because dance is such a expressive art form combined with a training for Um, and a lot of people gravitate towards it they don't necessarily want to be in a weight room. Right? Like they don't enjoy that it's not like a it's not their thing. It's not an environment. They're comfortable one. You should get over that because you belong in the weight room, but to what we did with you guys for me is a way of combining like some traditional conditioning components with dance and what you guys smiling the whole time you guys feel like you were working. It was fun. Yeah. Yes, probably feel like you're working but you're not like, oh my God, yeah. You know, so like where the spirit of that came from was trying to go like well, how do we want dancers to like not look at this thing and be like listen because I have to do this. I want them to look at and go. Oh man. I look forward to doing this and I can see and feel how this is going to directly correlate into what we're doing. So what we did was one thing I like to do and I strongly suggest is not trademark, but if it is, you know, just you can send a dollar to now I'm sure you can find an agility ladder super easy to find you can find them anywhere. anywhere on the internet, they're usually like 30 to 50 bucks, but you can take traditional Agility Ladder moves learning those they're good to condition with four dancers, but you can combine that with Like Freestyle or you can combine it with a dance move or what? Do you call it? Like a dance Dance Movement phrase? Yeah phrase so you can take traditional strength and conditioning components and add a phrase into them and really make it more into what you're doing. And that's kind of what we did want. You describe how it was free. Yeah, so, you know from I'll take it a couple perspectives one from like, you know, just the pure I'm a dancer side and one of them can just like analyzing what I got out of it from like the dancer side. You know, they're having us kind of. Basically do like quick footwork, which was like, okay. Like I said, it's like a nice little Jilly drill get my like Calves wore my body move in and then been started like moving his hands and I was like, oh God, like I have to respond, you know and most from at least the ones who are really choreography scene, you know, everything is planned out right like you just like get to know what's coming up next when you add the reaction and reactivity of it and that's when your mind starts going and We reach that level where it's like. It's not challenging because the movements challenging it's challenging because like I have to actually engage and respond to you, you know, too many times. It's like someone gives you an exercise you just mindlessly go through it. So that was the the fun part of it. So I'm like now I have to engage with Ben and he's kind of making me move around and then as we go on we kind of just go through this progression where it's like, okay we started with this simple task and let me just layer on something more. Let me lay her on something more and then Eventually got to the freestyle portion which was super fun because it's like you're moving and then you're like dancing and then you move in with yeah, and then you're dancing but you're still engaged, you know, it's the Activity part part of it and so from like, you know, the movement side of things. I'm like, this is a really nice way to kind of layer on complexity and also add that like almost like gamification. Yeah exercise, right? Yeah, and I kind of look at it like this because again it is you are an athlete but you're also a Performing Artist. So I grew up playing a lot of my buddies were musicians. I'm not and I'm also a not a dancer like I look like a big white silverback. Gorilla. If you would see the person. I know you're picturing like a 75 year old woman with a sultry voice, but that's not what I look like, but my buddies that were musicians. They wouldn't make a little bit they would make a mistake playing guitar. Right there just like be playing guitar that make a mistake, but they're never I never heard the mistake. I totally missed this one part up and I'm like really what that made me realize was. It's not about your mistake when you're performing because it happens. It's about to recovery because you just bounce right back from that. No one knows you made a mistake or they thought you meant to do it. Right? So like that was kind of why I thought this reaction Parts super super important don't freeze. Go back to it, you know so doing that. It is really good. And then also to like you said you are doing a lot of repetitive monotonous stuff. Right? Like when your new when you are doing your choreograph. It's nice to be able to get back and just be free for a minute, you know and and have that as part of what you're doing. It's awesome. I know all of you have anything to add on that. Yeah, and I and like the movement standpoint. It's like hey you touched on it's a true progression of you have that. Instance of learning a new movement in terms of the ladders like figuring out the ladders like what does this mean and in a sense? That's a bit controlled right? It's predictable. It's it's not as complex as when you start adding a little chaos, right, which is the reaction. I'm going to tell you to go this way then that way and and that's huge in any sport. Right if you if you look at any sport, even if it's Cory choreography choreography. It's a hard word to say. It's even if it's choreography, right if something something happens that you're not prepared for. How are you going to bet? Ya its back? That's the gamification that you were talking about. Especially when you're coming back from an injury that can be incredibly Amplified as the oh crap moment of man. I just messed up. Am I? Okay. Am I going to break you have to be able to get into the sense of challenge mode outside of your comfort zone and you have to introduce Asks, if you want to get back to the sport at hand, you have to introduce chaos or or it's a guessing game and you it's our profession. We can't rely on a guess. We have to know that this person is ready and with that chaos, it allows us to see how are they going to react in this scenario? So to kind of like make this a longer story what you did was actually how we so we were given a task right with a keone and Mari there. They said you guys have thought there was a lot of trust there. They're like you need to let us know and dancers can come back and you have you can pull dances. So we were always a bad guy right because imagine being part of that production and I tell you like you're out for this length of time. So we're that whole concept came from was I was trying to figure out like how does how do I create a return to play for dancers and dancers are like they want to dance right? So they'll be like, I'm fine and I'm Your face is telling me something else. So the reason that I wanted to do that was you guys know choreography. So you got I don't know your choreography. So I'll be like show me your show me a piece and you can show me a piece and you can kind of fudge through it. But with this drill I get to see how well you're moving when I tell you to Freestyle I can see what's happening and how actual ready you are because once your freestyle and you just start moving and I can see are they still injured on that freestyle or are they not? So it was originally developed for us to figure out a good way to go return to play. Like if they can do this on with the ladder and they can do this with the dance and they can perform this piece. Then we're good. And the thing that was really interesting that I think we do and I don't know if we do it differently, but it was something that We Came Upon was we're trying to get the make sure that they can perform. Our number one responsibility is that you the dancers can be there, you know, and if we see an injury where it's like ideally this injury is going to take three weeks to recover from Well, the performance has three weeks left that's not ideal for anybody. So we would watch the choreography. I'd be like, can you find one specific aspect or one thing within the choreography that's hurting you right now. So I'd go through, you know, 30 minutes sometimes five minutes sometimes other choreography and then boom we would nail the like one motion or movement that was hurting him. And I'd look at that and go. Okay. Can you do that like this not find like a more biomechanically efficient way to try to stay in the Beard at the dance but decrease pressure or stress on the area that was injured and probably like at least half the time we were able to find a solution the other half of the time I would be like this is biomechanically more efficient and I'd be like, yeah it is but it doesn't look right, you know some like little scratch that that's not good. Maybe you can still perform. We just take this one small piece out of the show. Where are you in the show? Sometimes I'd be talking to keone and Mari or going Okay. Well where they at in the show when this is going on are they in the front are they in the back or where they need to be in the scene can this come out and by having that you know open communication with them allowed us to keep people in for really great length of time because we're just finding the pain generator removing it and then they're able to do because it was only one. It was one percent of what they were doing our five percent of what they were doing that would have made them have to sit for a hundred percent of the show. So if we remove that 5% of paint or problem they can still get through. The other 95% of what they need to be able to do show goes on did you find that some of them were really fearful about kind of bringing those things up? Like I have to modify. I have to like change this choreography. Like I can't perform at like my full best and I don't want to tell I guess the directors or us are like health care providers in fear of being like removed or sat down because that's something I've encountered. Yeah sooner go ahead. I think the and a general sense like there's always that like fear of telling somebody because you don't want them to know but I think that the culture that was created in that scene made everybody much more comfortable with telling us what's going on because they knew they knew we had an open line of communication with keone and Mari and we were going to find out a way for that for what's best for them. Right? Maybe it may not be Perform the next day, but we're going to find a way what's best to prioritize to get you back as fast as possible for as long as possible. And I think that culture set up a great environment for communication. Yeah, and some of its explaining it to them. It's like we all want like instant gratification. We all want to you know, you sound like you're out tomorrow or you're going to miss this many performances. Like your hearts going to sink you're going to be upset but I go. Hey, here's the deal. You can perform if you perform the next three days. There's a good chance. You're going to be out the next three weeks. If we take these next three days off and focus on this stuff, you're going to be in only gone for three days and you're going to have all the rest of this time that you're going to be able to be back out there and perform and I think you could get them to see that big small picture and if you're able to communicate that them to them in the right way, they would jump on board because They could their hurt to write, you know, when you're hurt, you know when it's like I don't I actually don't know if I can if I can do that, you know or what is the toll going to be so I think when they would see that perspective, right? It was huge. Yeah, I think it's a combination of understanding both perspectives because in our perspective it's always about that the athlete as a human what is in their best interest as a human and in their perspective, it's I want to perform and I want to do my best. I don't want to let the team down. I want to get out there and I want to show out and if you can meld those two and understand their side of things and and word it like, dr. Ben said in a way that's very open to them. That that is how you break down that barrier. And then also when you're assessing them, there's certain things that they a lot of times what they can do and they can do really really well. So it's like all right, you know this one thing that we're going to take out this is it usually usually it wasn't like A big part of what was going on? Like it usually wasn't like overly dramatic, you know usually wasn't like the seat hinged on it, you know, the phrase hinged on it. So also emphasizing like hey on this one part that is his pain free and you're killing it like kill it right there, you know, so you'd also give them the opportunity to still like shine. Mmm, you know, so as you're taking away stuff you're emphasizing other things out there that they can. Do really really well and that can be like a Hallmark or piece of their performance that they can really really focus on you know, and not just worried about this one little thing that again it would be like the guitarist like Miss strumming one chord, but catching up real quick. You don't notice it's not going to affect the whole performance. I mean, that's so that it hits like home for me cuz you know in my past experience and working with other dancers to you know, maybe it's types of conversations or thoughts at the The head from working with like other people that may not understand what they do and they get so caught up on like what they can't do right not on what they can and not on what they can so it kind of like disempower them and make some really fearful and that just sets up like that uphill battle for them to when they're trying to rehab back to Performance. You know, it's it's that mental component as well as the the physical component that is like preventing them from achieving what they need to do. We only do focus on making our weakness. Has stronger but not to the point that your strengths become weaker. Mmm. Yeah, and not to the point to where your weaknesses become a detriment from just trying to just nail those weaknesses home, right? That's when you start getting to that repetitive injury type of stuff is like I just need to nail this down till I'm blue in the face. Alright, so my arm falls off like more is always better and I can I can say this from school where I was trying to learn. I'm like, I'll just read this 4,000 times in a row where I'm just reading words and then I'm like, I'm actually losing my ability to understand the human language because I'm reading these words somebody X right. So I think same thing happens with the movement like oh no, I'm just going to pound this thing in there. It's going to get better and it's just getting worse, you know, so like having the ability to step away from that and go do something else and develop something that makes you better and then when you go back to that you'll be better at it. I agree. I be so we're gonna win a do another deep dive what one last thing before we dive down there. I also have got to say it's not just what we do. It's being able to work again keone and Mari. I cannot express the concern that they have for their dancers and what they want for them to get out of being a part of their crew and them giving us the freedom to do what we need to do and having the strong lines of communication with us. So it does, you know, the the people that are Cory, you know doing the choreography the people that are at the heads of these Productions it needs to start at the top with that culture and creating that because like you said our dancers fearful, they're not fearful of me. They're fearful of of that environment. So creating an environment that can take away that fear is extremely important. Right? And I think that is it goes right into the next topic. Eric so well is that you know directors choreographers as I'm speaking in reference to the Collegiate dancing is that we really don't understand how to truly build a high performance culture, but we're really good at creating artwork creating dance pieces and like training other people how to do the dance, but we're that kicks Us in the butt. You know, a lot of people are termed with or know the term he'll weeks yes where it's just like. It just seems like a race to the finish the physical hazing much and I mean that's just one thing, you know, and that's kind of something. I wanted to get your two cents in on. How can we continue to bridge this gap between like sports performance and what we're currently seeing in The Stance community in The Stance culture, right? There's a lot of things and areas where we can learn and gain off for from Athletics. Yeah the collegiate Scenes actually one of the best opportunities to do this and I'll let Donald talk a little bit about it. But because the Collegiate dancing, you know when your performances are coming up, right? So, you know like when game day is and you know when your big performances are and you know when you're small performances are so you can take the periodization concept which is simple. It's basically your training a certain way for a certain length of time and again using intensities. To Peak at the right time. So why don't you take that and kind of run with it? It's like a loaded question. Yeah, I think it honestly starts with the mindset and accepting that as movers like dancers are athletes the the physical toll that they place on their bodies is tremendous and I use the analogy of The different style of dancing's really just different positions in a sport you have you have certain like skill position like I'll use football for example, because that's home base for me. But you have like your quarterback isn't going to train the same as your linebacker or your the big people on the team, right just like a b-boy won't necessarily trained the same as I contemporary style dancer, but they are all playing the same. Sport and and putting their body through tremendous the man's right and and that is an athletic environment to say the very least the demands that you're putting your body through our are extremely taxing. If you view it that way then the need and want for recovery and and peered ization becomes priority at that point. Yeah. Again, like if your will go back to the football analogy, if you're playing football, you're not doing your heaviest lifts and your maximum speed training during the season if you are stopped, yeah because you will injure yourself. They're going to have a pre-season training style. They're going to have a postseason training style. They're going to have an offseason training style and then they're going to have a during season string. In training style and all those things are based off Demand, right? So if you're going to be if you realize let's say you're dancing and you know, you got six weeks before your next performance and during that six weeks is when you're going to be able to get into the weight room. It's where you're going to make your big strength gains. It's where you're going to make your power gains during the season is when you're going to be able to to make like your small finesse repetitive touches, you know during that off Seasons when Move away from some of that repetitiveness and explore other motions because you're going to it's all going to come back you're going to you're going to get it also dancers, you won't forget how to dance if you stop doing something for a little bit and start doing something that you're just not you just won't what you'll find is as soon as you get back out there within a week all the rest knocks off and you're moving better than you ever have. That's that's typically what happens. So it's that fear right the fear of if I don't dance every single day as hard as I can it's going to go away and it's just not it's in your blood for either. One for you. Is it going to go away now actually took off dance for like two years my left for Ohio and now I'm back on a dance team. So it means the rest is real like you have to get over that. I think it's more like self-doubt than anything but then you know, if you're training consistently like I'm still in good shape and I was able to get back into it pretty quickly. And I think like what's the traditional sports do really well is they separate skills training versus fundamental strength and conditioning training? Really well and what they do with strength conditioning they take components of whatever that demand is and then they place it on the body in a different way. Right? So you are getting better. But you're also allowing the body to take a break. So I think that is something that the dance Community can take away from in terms of traditional Sports Performance, right? I said traditional with air quotes. Yeah, yeah, so periodization the easiest way to understand that is just think of the term period like you're training for a period of time a certain way. So periodization would be training for a period of time a certain way to achieve a goal. For example, let's say I'm an Olympic sprinter, right and I'm training for the Olympics. You could train in such a way that you peek your fastest speeds prior to the Olympics because of the way that you train because of the way you train for a period of time because you trained in a way for a certain period that you peaked early. Does that make sense? Like the like the sprinters outrun the fastest times in the world? They don't always run the fastest times in the world. They're not always doing that. Not any given day. Is that going to happen? That is a culmination? Emanation of specific training for certain length of time leaving up to a Peak Performance in that moment, right that does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, and it could be to go back to the Sprinter analogy. There could be a point in time where they run their their goal their sport is the hundred meter dash but certain point of their training. They're only working off the blocks for 20 meters running running that form off the blocks for 20 min. Years and then as the season goes on you progress and and you start working on more of a complete picture. I think the way to put it more physical for our listeners is like, you know Red Bull BC One is like a big breaking competition, right? So I'll just use you Dylan. For example, say you're trying to nail your 2000s, which is like you're spinning on two hands and trying to get I mean, we're all you know, one hand your other hands gripping. The other hand but you're trying to get your rotations and you may not be able to get six rotations in on every given day. But you can try and create an optimal environment and like program to have you get your 6 pins that day that day or that time frame with that, right? Yeah, because if you're just trying to get six pins in every single day, you could you know, where out your carpal bones, you know, you could you can end up with a wrist injury and then you're getting no spins in that day, right, you know because you're doing that so it's like Right. What can I do to maintain my wrist Mobility maintain the strength that I'm going to need in my shoulder without going through the higher-risk motion, which would be the spin right? You only have so many spins in you to for something breaks down, right? And I think I want to highlight how you broke that down. Right? I think that's what strength conditioning does a very good job of is break down. What are the demands that he needs that wrist mobility and extension. He needs that shoulder strength. 'The how are ways that he can still attain that without putting the mileage on his body. Mmm. I think that's super duper important because we're getting this day and age right now where we're already talking about you Sports specialization in baseball for example, right but you know, there's a huge accounts and you know, trying to track mileage and velocity. Sure Rose and all that their knees by spin counts, you know, that's that's the thing like it counts pin counts for for all these younger kids that Getting into the the early trading Styles and you know really getting a lot of exposure from it. And so yeah, I think instructors choreographers directors, they need to be a little bit more responsible and understand like the research and evidence out there to really take care of their their dancer and I think there's a huge space for more research and evidence. I also don't think there's a huge body of work to support. To support the concept but it would make sense. Right? It should should carry over. Mmm. I agree. I agree awesome cool man. That was we went real deep we went in there. Alright, alright cool. So I just to kind of like really back in one of the biggest things that offset method is really prioritizing is kind of like bringing education to the community, you know having first-hand. I like working with these what I would call very high-level professional dancers. What are some of the things that you know, you may think is like, oh this is common knowledge basic stuff, but you're still having to educate them on and these are supposed to be the ones who are like performing at their best. So I'm going to start off with the most basic basic thing that I see that I see it in a lot of young athlete. Also one thing I want to emphasize to is like for all you younger athletes and younger dancers and people that are out there listening. Adding to this look for people like keone and Mari look for other dancers that have been doing it into their 30s 40s and Beyond and see what they do what are their secrets? Because they have the longevity. How are you able to in your 30s and 40s still show out at a high level right? And how how can you extend your career and you're going to find a lot of these guys have adopted those principles in there now back to that simplest. drink water drink water. I can't tell you how much I'll see someone get lightheaded pass out. Strain a muscle. No, Mike how much water have you had? They're like, oh man. I had four cups of coffee this morning. I was like right on that's no water diuretic. We're gonna bad a bad place. So simply like make sure your water consumption is good. I know that sounds basic but I would say like that's one of the that's a rookie move. Yeah, rookie move. You don't want to be in an audition and things go sideways because because you didn't have a you know, a couple glasses of water. That morning. Yeah, I would say it's kind of all ends of the natural recovery process. I see the lack in one hydration to is huge as sleep. Sleep is something for some reason in the in the dancers that we've worked with is is a rough one. Yeah, they'll laugh at your face if you like sleep. Yeah, like I understand you like dance some of the dance culture right like you're going to go out to it. Club and do here and do your thing, right? I get it. But at the same time like throw a little more water in there or a nurse a drink longer if you're going to be doing it a lot because it's not like I'm going to use me use an analogy if I go out and dance. Oh my God, I'm not either an artist or performer, but he's an artist with this Agility Ladder. Yeah, that's right. That's it's bad. But like, you know if you're out there if you're a dance athlete, When you're out there and you're in a club and you're getting after it and you're doing your thing in that environment for you, it's practice. Right? It's a place where you're practicing your skill set. It's not always a place that you need to be partying. Right like every night just because you're in a party environment for the people around you that aren't dance athletes for them. It's a party environment, but for you look at that is an opportunity to get better at your craft to get better at your skill. You don't need to be there to drink you need to be there to do what you do. Yeah, it's like that mentality that we talked about earlier that mindset. That athlete been mined so it's taking care of your body from that standpoint, right? Because that's a part of the culture. So so it's okay. I'm not saying don't don't have a good time. But just you're in an environment where it could be easy to have too many good times in a row and it could hinder things and then sleep is sleep is vital to any type of performance whether it's mental or physical. It's it's the way that your body legitimately recovers and restores the hormone levels. I think what you really want to know. Is there like some Some really cool exercises that you should be doing that are just going to like probably know your game up and make you awesome. Right? Like that's what you're looking for. Yes. That's it. Yeah, I can't I can't, you know core strength, right like you need to make sure you have really really good core strength hip control doing exercises to focus on like hip stability hip control ankle Mobility. I cannot tell you how important ankle Mobility is for a dancer and Mobility those areas are huge, you know, and then any of Any b-boys are guys that break out there, you know, a lot of times you can look at look at your body's you'll notice that like one side of your back is super yoked in the other side's not right. It's like that's an imbalance. That's a healthy and balanced were b-boy. You see that same kind of thing with a golfer like you're going to have one side of their body more hypertrophy or bigger. It's a normal response to an abnormal stimulus. Right? Like we're not walking around on our hands, especially On one side the reason you get that development is because we all favor one side, right? So if you're really good at spinning with that right hand down that left hands never coming down. I challenge you to become more ambidextrous balance some of those things out. If you're feeling pain in One Direction with a move simply try doing that similar move or Motion in the opposite direction and sometimes that will take away the pain. Awesome drop in Pearls of Wisdom. Yeah, right. So what are some of the I guess like future directions and plans for connect impact for the dynamic duo we have here. Yeah. So there's there's there's quite a bit of processes going on right now first and foremost. We want to grow our business or brick and mortar business and be able to help more people. Our community and hopefully be able to add on another doc to the equation as well as be a bigger online presence. And for those who can't maybe can't afford what we're doing or aren't in our area provide some solutions that they can have via online maybe online courses or or ebooks that that can help them with their pain solutions. And then I know we talked about getting together. To the corporate world as well. Yeah, I mean it all it all kinds of dives into what an area that I would really like to be more involved. It would be education. Right? So whether it be online courses or workshops, I would love to be able to get with some leaders of the dance Community sit down with them and discuss a workshop platform. That's not solely based on Dance skills. That that's also going to bring in some of these other things so initially We could do something like that for providers, right? Like other people that are interested in this we could also do it for people that are dancers. Like we had an intern that interned with us. That was also part of the Babel crew. I'm going to violate HIPAA and give it up tkj. I got was awesome part of the reason we were successful as we basically created a little drone of ourselves guy that was super interested. Wanted to do this for a living became passionate so we would He would be our eyes and ears when we weren't around. So he would be snitching on them sending us texts letting us know who's doing what if they're doing it so we could follow up the right way, but really like again if anyone's listening I wants to get together and brainstorm find us get ahold of us. Let's see how we can make this community better and longer. I don't see why any dancer couldn't dance into their 40s, right and you know, they are some of the most like genuine people Dad, you know we've ever met and they've welcomed us into their facility. We're out here at an Optimum training Optimum training performance. Awesome chain performance out here in San Diego. It's it's quite the sight like we're sitting up at this like nice Kush conference room. Overlooking some a volleyball tournament going on right now. There's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu man and a full-fledged strength increasing facility and they've got their own little niche corner. Where some magic happens, right? Yeah. So I really do encourage anyone listening to this like please get connected with us and let's really like kind of push something new something Innovative forward for for our communities, right? Yeah, we want to collaborate with the dance community and find solutions to help the dance Community grow and in terms of the performance side of things and terms of Of getting people to to dance for a longer time, you know and be healthy and the beautiful thing about it is for us, you know, like the reason I love the word answers are probably one of my favorite population of athlete if not my favorite population of athlete to work with and it's really because it's a creative process that I get to work with them like to you got to remember the way you hit a baseball hasn't changed that much since baseball first invented, but every single day there's a dancer. A new piece of choreography every single day. They're moving their body in a different way or different fashion. So it's so Dynamic it grows and so many different aspects that working with dancers is what allows us to create things that make things better for Dancers just gave me goosebumps. Yeah, it's it's interesting a lot of the stuff that we've created is usually where and again the dancer doesn't always know why I'm doing what I'm doing, but I'm having them go through different things and I'm finding out by watching. Him move or asking questions or having them do stuff what I then we'll need to take and build on and make something form. We need better starting at the high school level. We need more exposure. Like we need more stuff for them. They need places that they can go and train there's youth everything there needs to be youth conditioning programs for that. And I don't know if it's like maybe we create a program that is introduced to dance studios themselves and the dance studio start introducing it. I'm not really sure that the best way to do. This but let's figure it out. Yeah, let's figure it out. It's really just creating a ripple effect that hopefully turns into a big tsunami wave of education and information that allows dancers to to have the spotlight that deserve. Yeah. I look at like Michael Jordan LeBron James all these guys that were able to still Peak way into their 30s. There's no reason that dancer shouldn't be peeking in the 30s that they're all peeking, you know 21. 22:23, you're 27 years old and you got you know your old dancer, right? Like what is that? No way it's because there's not things to support this that you're trying to do. So let's get that out there. That's right. Imagine. Like if every dancer that's stopped at twenty three because they hit their Prime continue to progress that art form and their ability for another 10 years. We'd be seeing stuff that is unheard of and that's what you are seeing that with the older dancers you do see that we need more of that. You heard it here first everybody. Yeah. All right. So you're cool with it. We're just gonna do a quick rapid fire round. Yes. Alright. Okay, here we go. So we're one of you guys is pet peeves when working with a patient. Go for it. So my biggest pet peeve is your inability or my inability to communicate with you. So I don't know if you guys have ever had that experience where you're trying to figure out what's going on with the person and they're just not giving you any kind of answer. They're giving you very vague. Like I don't care if you explain something to me and like was smiley faces colors number scales, whatever describing it in some weird way. I mean, I've heard stuff described in ways that Are very unique to that person's experience, but it's something when you just give me vague information that is so hard to work with again. You don't need to understand like pain I've been in pain. I have a hard time describing it, but I can create a scenario where I can share that so not being able to get feedback is my biggest biggest pet peeve. What's your second biggest back to you? Yeah, you took my but I'm just gonna pay you back off that so when somebody says sorry for giving me information like I'm sorry, that that doesn't give you information does it I'm like no, you're good. You keep giving me more. Let's start where that yeah, and then of course do the shit I give you to do right? I'm like hey, how you doing? I'm the same. All right, that's awesome. That sucks. So have you been doing with these exercises? I've been doing them every day. Oh cool. It's late. Let's take a look at him. Liar. Put them to the test liar. I can tell you haven't been doing them. This is the first time doing them since you saw me. Do the stuff that you give trust the process very cool. All right. Well, he's in the next one favorite exercise or movement the deadlift the deadlift. Yes mainly because it's the functional aspect of it. Everybody needs to be able to hip hinge and and a lot of people are afraid of that that movement but if you can get somebody to do it correctly and feel the power and the strength of that movement. It's incredibly empowering. And Powerful for that person from me and in my personal bias, I just like to lift heavy things because I like that testosterone boost and they call me a meathead. I don't care but the deadlift very cool. Yeah the deadliest school but a squat, you know, I'd have to go with the squat because he took deadlift first. But so I mean Push poll some sort of push up some sort of pulling exercise some sort of squat some sort of deadlift in a lunge. If you had those five things you'll be able to train your body for a while really really well and if you could take those five things and create variations off them your gold they said one exercise. That was like I can't do one yet hold you down. All right, maybe let's see. What is Who is an athlete that you really love to work with? Or maybe you've already worked with like your favorite athlete. So I'm going to go through second up a personal favorite of mine again football background. But Julian Edelman, he's a he's a football player. I wore number 11. He wears number 11 identify with him quite a bit because I'm a smaller individual that played a bigger Man sport and he's a smaller dude that does incredible things against People twice his size and I also follow him on social media and he's hilarious. So he probably be funny to be around awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with the Isaiah Thomas. He's a basketball player for those of you guys that don't know who Isaiah Thomas is the new Isaiah Thomas. He sustained Serious injury after having a crazy season with the Celtics. He got traded hindsight. Like I see I watch I love that guy great personality little guy five foot nine. For the shortest guy in the league maybe fact check that he's up there for being short, but I truly feel like he possibly brought back early and I don't think like what they did with him was wrong at the time just hindsight, you know, seeing what happened. I would have loved the opportunity to work with that guy and been able to control when he would be able to come back and I think we could have seen it a different scenario for him sick. Alright, we're going to go a little bit more on the Arts around. What is like your go-to outfit or maybe just like a favor that know if we're gonna do this. I think that he needs to say what he thinks. My favorite outfit would be. Yep. So we were looking at this earlier and I came up with the idea of switching this because it's way more funny though. All right, let's see so I get to say what I think is what I know his favorite outfit is and vice versa. Okay. We also spent too much time together if you did if you didn't realize but I'm Go workout gear and the workout gear is very specific Under Armour brand. Hmm. Sleeveless sleeveless Under Armour shirt with a hood on it. Oh, he's got that like kind of. Oh, yeah. Yes and greedy exactly. He goes full Assassin Creed and the reason being is so he's a bald-headed individual. Yeah, and he says it Helen he says it's because the sweat Is block from his face because of the hood I just think it'd look it's because he looks like Assasin Creed but look you guys realize you don't got a lot of options when you got no hair right? Like I owe my hair always is the same not their second. Like I look super stupid with one of those like heads when things are so bad. Right? Like I don't have that kind of swagger I can walk around with that. So I'm going to go with Donald like when he thinks he's just rocking style. He's gonna be wearing like a 1994 Sons vintage sweatshirt. It's a crew. It's a crew cut because sweatshirt old school. It's got like the the sun time a Suns fan. He's got like the big bright bold in-your-face like basketball on fire for their logo. Yeah, he's California Native or like you rapping like a Two different areas. I'm all over the place. It's got its got a mustard stain on the shoulder. He's gonna rock that with like some skinny jeans. No, I was I was born in California moved to Arizona moved to Maine move back to Arizona. Oh, yes, I've been around. Yeah. How about you man? I grew up here. Okay. Yeah roots and I mean, I don't know why you went to Mount Carmel Sun Devils. All right, next question. Yo, most practical utilize item that you've bought under $100. I would say a cupping set. So it's a silicone copying set. Some really cheap are probably 26 bucks. I think with tax and it's like 30 bucks, but for the use and practicality it we use every single day just to decompress any tissues that we need to decompress. That is by far. The best thing I have to have for under a hundred bucks, I would just like to add to like with the cups. We do it technique that's much different than like a traditional cupping technique where you would like leave it on your body because that's it. Yeah, it's more so like with with motion so you have lotion on the skin and you're able to slide the the cup it's the lotion on the skin and as you're doing motion, you can move the cup. So your decompressing all the tissues so for If you think you may be dealing with some nerve issues like a peripheral neuropathy referral neuropathy superficial peripheral neuropathy. You can term. Yeah. Yeah, you can essentially lift the skin off of that nerve because nerves do not like to be compressed or stretched so you can use motion and decompression of the skin over that area and it's a the feedback is phenomenally quick. If it yeah, it's so a lot of times you'll get not a lot of times. But sometimes you'll find like a superficial nerve right a nerve that's like in the skin or in that area can mimic other pathologies and simply by like stimulating that area with like a cup and some motion you can get a decrease in sensation and sometimes you can get a complete relief just depending on what's going on. So when it works, it's like magic when it doesn't works whatever it doesn't work to do some else, but I would have to say my hands because nothing has been with him for. I fear yeah. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. You guys are probably read like like Dianne Jacob said like dermal neuromodulation work, right? Yeah. It's part of our curriculum. There you go. There you go. So it's like another plug for chiropractor. Yeah. Alright last question or almost last question. Do you have any book recommendations may be something you're reading now something that's really impacted your kind of like live personal or professional. Go he reads way more than I do. So I'm going to go more. So on the personal side terms of I guess you categorize it as a philosophy book, but it's the daily stoic. So essentially it's just daily excerpts that you read. It has a quote from somebody that studied stoicism many many years ago. And then it also has a breakdown of that quote and it just has essentially just Daily reminders of how to be a better person or how to take yourself away from a motion because the study of stoicism is taking yourself away from emotion and looking at everything incredibly objective so you can have a bad day and you you go to this book and you you kind of understand, okay. It not everything needs to be so emotional and it's a great book. It's a by Ryan holiday and another person. I don't remember his name. I'm sorry. That's all right. Yeah. I just asked him what he read that day. No, I'm not going to give you guys a book that's going to change in. So he went down that route. I'm going to go over if you're if you're a clinician or you're looking to get into this field of working with people. There's two concepts. I think you won. Major major concept I think that you're incomplete if you don't understand and it is neuro Dynamics. The concept is called neurodynamics. Michael Shack lock right Michael Shack lock the man. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I love that guy and then another gentleman who's got a huge body of work. You just recently he started schools over in China is a guiteau van rice engine, you know van. Usage in it. He's amazing. He's just a walking clinical Pearl like tea just fits information and knowledge. So you could you know, just straight through a Google search in both those guys in the from their dive down. Whatever Rabbit Hole of information. They had that that makes sense for you sick and it's a so much good information and like wisdom that you guys have like been able to bring on to this podcast. So now they are not Dylan and I are Thankful, and I'm sure our audience is extremely thankful and have gained so much more wisdom after listening to you to this. So, how how can they connect with you? That's a great question Donald. I got you so you can go to our website at www.kttape.com and all of our social handles like Facebook and Instagram are at kinetic impact our P. So at kinetic impact our P you can also call us at Six one nine. This is put him on his foot Willa. I don't know if I want to divulge this information might give away my personal cell phone number. No, I'm just kidding. So hard our number way. My first name. Yeah, in that case. I mean Ben is a hard guy that you to contact, you know, we try to do our research and Google search you guys and I have for those of you listening. That's the probably how you're going to hear me. I have no social media. She's a personal thing like I'm old school, which is bad, but good in some ways just for my own sanity. I prefer to like sit down and talk. The people I'll Skype. I don't mind that kind of stuff. But as far as like man, I just get lost. You know, the no you haven't I'll be watching people doing yoga. If I get into social media within like 30 seconds, and then from there, I cannot even tell you the downhill spiral things I get into so it's best for me to not have that. So if you want to get ahold of us 6 1 9 6 9 5 0 6 8 8. Yep. You can just give us a call or email. Yep, and that's info. Bo @ Ki rehab.com sweet and will link all those stuff in our show notes perfect and they've also got a really dope blog article dancers are athletes and will also link that up in there as well. Yeah, perfect. Check it out. Yeah for all the all you guys are listening. That is a great blog for you guys to check out and you'll be able to reach out to us and again reach out to us about getting together and masterminding some. Ideas, and let's let's collaborate. Yeah, for those of you that are listening for those of you that, you know are powerful new dance Community, please. Contact us get a hold of us and let's see how we can make this a better place and for dancers everywhere. How can we keep you guys doing this just longer and thank you so much for having us on so much for having us. Yeah, of course, of course until next time everyone continue to follow us on our Instagram page at offset top Med, and we'll see you soon. So since y'all made this one we want to say thank you for listening to the offset podcast the constantly striving to connect and have conversations with guests who can bring something unique to the table whether they're involved in the field of physical health performing arts, or maybe even both if you guys have any recommendations for who we should bring on to Future podcasts. Feel free to let us know by our social media at offset dot Med or email us at offset Med at gmail.com. 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If you’ve ever wondered what goes behind the scenes to keep dancers performing at a high level then you’ve come to the right podcast! Join the Offset Med team as we highlight the performance medicine staff behind the Beyond Babel show. Special shout out to Coach Nghia Pham for allowing us to record this podcast at his facility Optimum Training and Performance. Dr. Benjamin DeLuca and Dr. Donald Mull have their practice within this elite training space and are the Founders of Kinetic Impact that help their patients return to their sport, life, and passions at a high performance level. _ Dr. Ben has almost 20 years of experience working in the health and fitness industry starting as a personal trainer and is now a doctor of chiropractic medicine. He says, "The most satisfying aspect of my career is teaching people how to take control of their destiny by educating them on corrective movement patterns and lifestyle change." Dr. Mull began his career as a multi-sport athlete and continues to practice what he preaches on and off the field. He is methodical and passionate with his approach to patient care and utilizes various concepts from strength and conditioning, injury rehabilitation, and developmental kinesiology to expedite full return to performance. He says, “Your goals are always placed on my highest priority. However we can get you to achieve your health and fitness goals ultimately dictates your treatment plan. This allows you to maintain safe activity levels that will encourage long term health and wellness." You can contact them via email [email protected] _ PODCAST TOPICS Creation of Kinetic Impact The Role of Chiropractic Medicine in Sports Performance Performance Medicine Model with Beyond Babel  Rookie Mistakes Dancers Make When Training Call to Action for Dance, Health, and Fitness Professionals  Bonus Rapid Fire Round  _ Thank you for supporting The Offset Podcast where we challenge how you think, move, and feel. We hope you share, subscribe, and reach out to us! Together we can develop ourselves "offset" so we can perform our best on set! _ SHOW REFERENCES www.kirehab.com @kineticimpactrp Dancer Blog: https://www.kirehab.com/single-post/2019/02/15/Are-Dancers-Athletes

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You'll find the link in the description and now to our story time. chapter 6 it would be cumbrous to give a detailed consecutive account of our wanderings inside that cavernous peons dead honeycomb Primal masonry that monster Slayer of Elders Secrets, which now a code for the first time after uncounted epics to the trend of human feet. This is especially true because so much of the horrible drama and Revelation came from a mere study of the omnipresent mural carvings are flashlight photographs of those carvings will do much toward proving the truth of what we are now disclosing and it is lamentable. We had not a larger Film Supply with us. As it was we made crude notebook sketches certain Salient features after all of our films are used up the building which we had entered was one of great size elaborateness it gave us an impressive notion of the architecture of that nameless geologic past. The inner partitions were less massive than the outer walls, but on the lower levels or excellently preserve Labyrinthian complexity involving curiously irregular differences in floor levels characterize the entire Arrangement and we should certainly have been lost at the very outset. But for the trail of torn paper left behind us. We decided to explore the more decrepit upper Parts. First of all, hence climbed Aloft in the maze for a distance of some 100 feet to where the topmost here of Chambers. Yawns lle and ruinously opened the polar sky Ascent was affected over the Steep transversely Redstone ramps or inclined planes, which everywhere served in lieu of stairs the rooms. We encountered were all imaginable shapes and proportions ranging from five-pointed Stars two triangles and perfect cubes. It might be safe to say that their General average was about 30 by 30 feet and floor area and 20 feet in height though many larger environments existed after thoroughly examining the upper regions in the glacial level. We descended Story by story Into the submerged part where indeed we soon saw we were in a continuous Maze of connecting Chambers and passages probably leading over. Added areas of science particular building the cyclopean massiveness and gigantism of everything about us became curiously oppressive and there was something vaguely but deeply unhuman in all the Contours Dimensions proportions decorations and constructional nuances of the blasphemously archaic stonework. He soon realized I'm on the carvings revealed that this monstrous city was many million years old. We cannot yet explain the engineering principles used the anomalous balancing and adjustment the vast Rock masses though. The function of the arch was clearly much relied on the rooms. We visited were wholly bare of all portable contents a circumstance which sustained our belief in the city's deliberate desertion. The prime decorative feature was the almost Universal system of Your whole sculpture which tended to run in continuous horizontal bands 3 feet wide and arranged from floor to ceiling in alternation with bands of equal women given a learn to geometrical arabesques. There were exceptions to this rule Arrangement, but it's pom Durance was overwhelming. Often however a series of smooth cartouches containing oddly pattern groups of dots would be sunk long one of the Arabesque fans. This technique we soon saw was mature accomplished and aesthetically evolved to the highest degree of civilized Mastery the utterly alien and every detail any known our tradition of the human race. Delicacy of execution no sculpture. I have ever seen good approach this the minutest details elaborate vegetation or of animal life were rendered with astonishing vividness. Despite the Bold scale of the carvings whilst the conventional designs were marbles of skillful intricacy the are best display a profound use of mathematical principles and were made up of obscure. symmetrical curves and angles based on the quantity of 5 the pictorial bands followed a highly formalized tradition and involved A peculiar treatment of perspective, but they had an artistic force that moved us profoundly notwithstanding the intervening goal of vast geologic periods. Their method of design the hinged on a singular juxtaposition of the cross section where the two dimensional silhouette and embodied and analytical psychology beyond that of any known race of antiquity. It is useless to try to compare this art with any represented in our museums. Those who see our photographs will probably find its closest analog in certain grotesque conceptions of the most daring futurists. The Arabesque and tracery consisted altogether up to press lines who stepped on unweathered walls varied from one to two inches when cartouches with Doc groups appeared evidently as inscriptions in some unknown and primordial language and alphabet. The depression of the smooth surface was perhaps an inch and a half and of the dots perhaps an inch more victorial bands were in counter sunk low relief their background being depressed about 2 inches from the original wall surface in some specimens marks of a former coloration could be detected though for the most part The Untold eons had disintegrated and vanished. Any pigments which may have been applied? The more one study The Marvelous technique the more want admired that things beneath their strict conventional ization one could grasp the mining tune accurate observation and Graphics kill of the artists and indeed the very conventions themselves served symbolize and accentuate the real essence or vital differentiation of every object delineated. We felt to that besides these recognizable excellences. There are others lurking beyond the reach of our perceptions. Certain touches here and there gave a Ginza blatant symbols and stimuli which another mental and emotional background and a fuller or different Century equipment might of made a profound important significance to us. The subject matter of the sculptures obviously came from the life of the vanished Epoch of their creation and contain the large proportion of evident history. It is this abnormal historic mindedness of the Primal race a chance circumstance operating through coincidence miraculously in our favor which made the carvings. So awesomely informative to us and which caused us to place their photography and transcription above all other considerations. In certain rooms the dominant Arrangement was buried by the presence of maps astronomical charts and other scientific designs on an in large scale these things giving a naive and terrible collaboration. It's what we gathered in the pictorial phrases and Dittos. Hinting at what the whole revealed I can only hope that my account will not arouse our curiosity greater than saying caution on the part of those who believe me at all. It would be tragic if any were to be a lord to that realm of death and Horror by the berry warning meant to discourage them. Interrupting, these sculpture walls were high Windows have massive 12-foot doorways Loop now and then retaining the Petrified wooden planks elaborately carved and Polished of the actual shutters and doors all metal fixings and long ago banished some of the doors remained in place that before stood aside as we progress from room to room. window panes with Paula transparent pains, mostly elliptical survived here and there but would know that considerable quantity are also frequent vicious of great magnitude generally empty once in a while containing some bizarre object car from greens some Stone which was either broken or perhaps he'll to inferior to Warrant to remove Other apertures were undoubtedly connected with bygone mechanical facilities heating lighting and alike of A Sort suggested in many of the carvings. Ceilings tended to be playing but it's sometimes been inlaid with green soap stone or other tiles. Mostly fall in now. Pores are also paved with such tiles though planes don't work predominated. As I have said all furniture another movables were absent. The sculpture is gave a clear idea of the strange devices which had once filled these tomb-like echoing rooms. Above the glacial sheet, the floors were generally thick with Beatrice litter and debris, but farther down this condition decreased and some of the lower Chambers and corridors there was little more than gritty dust or ancient and Crustaceans will occasional areas had an uncanny are of newly swept Immaculate - of course, we're rips. Absence had occurred lower levels were at littered as the upper ones essential Court as in other structures. We had seen from the air saved the inner regions from total darkness so that we seldom and to use our electric torches me upper rooms except when studying sculpture details below the icecap. However, the Twilight deepened and in many parts of the The Tangled ground level there was an approach to Absolute Blackness to form even a rudimentary idea of our thoughts and feelings as we penetrated this t on silent Maze of unhuman masonry. We must correlate a hopelessly bewildering chaos. So fugitive methods moods memories and impressions. Shearer appalling Antiquity and lethal desolation of the place where enough to overwhelm almost any sensitive person but added to these elements were the recent unplanned over at the camp and the revelations All Too Soon affected by the terrible mural sculptures around us the moment We Came Upon a perfect section of carving where no ambiguity of interpretation could exist. It took only a brief study to give us the Hideous truth the truth, which it would be naive to claim Danforth and I had not independently suspected before that. We had carefully refrained from even hinting into one another there could now be no further merciful doubt about the nature of the beings which had built and inhabited this monstrous dead City millions of years ago. One's ancestors were primitive archaic mammals and vast dinosaurs roam the tropical steps of Europe and Asia. We had previously clung to a desperate alternative and insisted each to himself that the omnipresence of the five-pointed motif mentally some cultural or religious exaltation of the archaean natural object, which had so patently embodied the quality of five pointedness as the decorative motifs of minoan Crete exalting the sacred bull those of Egypt the scare. They us those of Rome the wolf and the eagle and those are various Savage tribes some chosen totem animal but this loan Refuge was now stripped from us and we were forced to face. Definitely the reason shaking realization, which the reader of these Pages has doubtless long ago anticipated. I can scarcely bear to write it down in black and white even now but perhaps that will not be necessary. Things once rearing and dwelling in this frightful masonry in the age of dinosaurs or not indeed dinosaurs, but far worse. We are dinosaurs were new and almost brainless objects, but the Builders of the city were wise and old and left certain traces and rocks even laid down well-nigh a thousand million years rocks laid down before the true life of Earth. Advanced Beyond plastic groups of cells rocks laid down before the true life of Earth had existed at all. They were the makers and enslavers of that life and above all doubt The Originals of the fiendish Elder myths which things like the Potomac manuscripts the Necronomicon affrightedly into bout. They were the Great old ones but had filtered down from the Stars when Earth was young the beings who substance of alien Evolution had shaped and whose Powers were such At this point I had never bread and I think but only the day before 10 forth, and I actually looked upon fragments of their Millennial e fossilized substance and that poor leg and his party had seen their complete Alliance. It is of course impossible for me to relate in proper order the stages by which we picked up. We now know that monstrous chapter of pre-human life after the first shock of this certain revelation. We had to pause a while to recuperate and it was fully three o'clock before we got started on our actual tumor of systematic research the sculptures in the building we entered or Relatively late date, perhaps two million years ago that's checked up by geological biological and astronomical features and embodied an art which will be called decadent and comparison without of specimens. We found in older buildings after Crossing Bridges under the glacial sheet one of this human from the solid rock seemed to go back 40 or possibly. Even 50 million years to the lower eocene for upper Cretaceous and contained structures of an Artistry surpassing anything else with one tremendous exemption that we encountered that was we have sense of greed the oldest domestic structure. We traversed Were it not for the support of those flashlights soon to be made public? I would refrain from telling what I found and inferred lest. I be confined as a man man, of course be infinitely early parts of the patchwork tail representing the preacher Estrella life of the star at it beings on other planets and in galaxies and other universes can readily be interpreted as the fan. Aztec mythology of those beings themselves yet. Such Parts sometimes involve designs and diagrams. So one can only close to the latest findings of mathematics and astrophysics, but I scarcely know what to think let others judge when they see the photographs I shall publish. Naturally, no one set of carvings which we encountered told more than a fraction of any connected story nor did we even begin to come upon the various stages of that story in their proper order? Some of the best rooms are independent units so far as their designs were concerned whilst in other cases, they continuous Chronicle would be carried through a series of rooms and corridors the best of the maps and diagrams were on the walls of frightful Abyss below. Even the ancient ground level the Govern perhaps 200 feet square and 60 feet high. Which had most undoubtedly but an educational center of some sort there were many provoking repetitions of the same material in different rooms and buildings since certain chapters of experience and certain summaries of phrases of racial history had evidently been favorites the different dwellers or decorators. Sometimes though variant versions of the same theme proved useful and settling A double points and filling in gaps. I still wonder that we did do so much in the short time in our disposal. Of course, we even now have only the barest outline and much of that was obtained later on from a study of the photographs and sketches. We made it may be the effect of this later study the revived memories and vague Impressions acting in conjunction. Option with his General sensitiveness and with that final supposed horror Glimpse whose Essence he will not reveal even to me which has been the immediate source of danforth's present breakdown, but it had to be for we could not issue our morning intelligently without the fullest possible information and the issuance of that morning as a prime necessity. Certain lingering influences and that unknown Antarctic world of disordered time an alien natural law. They get imperative that further exploration be discouraged. And that my darling as all for today's story time. I hope that you are able to rest well and that you have very sweet and creepy dreams as always. Good night, my darling.

ASMR Reading You To Sleep: Soft spoken ASMR with thunderstorm in background. At the Mountains of Madness by H. P. Lovecraft, written in 1931. The tale was originally rejected by the magazine Weird Tales for publication, but was eventually published in 1936 when an editor picked up Lovecraft’s tale for Astounding Stories. The story takes place during September 1930 where a group of wary explorers find themselves in disastrous conditions during an expedition in Antarctica. Told from the perspective of Dr. William Dyer, the tale is reflective of Lovecraft’s fascination with the Antarctic continent and his unfulfilled desire for exploration. A special thank you to Kyle, @PostCubicleKyle on Twitter for recommending this story as our next Lovecraft read. Now sit back, close your eyes, and relax as I read HP Lovecraft’s At the Mountains of Madness to you.

For the last 26 years. I've been rocking stages playing clubs and having a lot of fun as a DJ and turntablist. And in that time I've seen and learned a lot now it's time for me to share that knowledge by answering the questions that can help. You become a better DJ. I'm BJT 11 and this is the Sheridan College podcast for DJs. Today's podcast is brought to you by bands Jewels one two, one two, what's going on? If your boy DJ tlm you checking out the Sheridan College podcast for DJ's episode 10. It's 2019. This is season 2. This is my Q&A show for DJ's. I share my 26 plus years of DJ experience and I try to answer as many questions as I can add as much value to the DJ Community as I possibly can and sometimes I'll just have some DJ related topics that I want to talk about or just Current projects that I'm working on and I take care of all of that right here in the podcast. I want to thank you for tuning in. If you're new to the podcast. I drop a new one every Monday and you can find me on any podcast platform if you want to check out more of my DJ related content. Make sure you check me out on YouTube. That's DJ tlm TV on YouTube and for all my info just go to DJ TL. M.com. All right. Normally I post a question on Instagram and I asked you to just leave me questions for the next podcast episode. I did not do that today. So in this case, we're going to the comment section on YouTube. So my DJ tlm TV comment section. I have over four hundred and thirty videos there and in my YouTube creator app. I have the option just to check out all of the comments that are posted under any of my videos. So in this case, I'm just going to scroll right through and I want to get into some of the comments I saw. Surrounding my topic about the end of turntables in clubs. Now if you tuned in last week, I talked about a question and the question was if I thought that turntables would be leaving clubs because of the rain 12 now already said that a lot of clubs here in the Netherlands actually don't have turntables as their standard setup at they do have turntables available in the club. So they have some stored Somewhere In the Venue, but they can bring them out when people need turntables and fact is a lot of DJ's who prefer turntables are even willing to bring their own turntables for specific gigs. The question was it the rain 12 was going to be the reason turntables would leave the club and my answer is no and the general consensus in the comment section is also know because a lot of people are just seeing that the rain twelves aren't in clubs. So they're not replacing turntables. A lot of clubs didn't have turntables anyway, or they didn't see turntables, but the rain 12 Not replacing those turntables. That's also one of the reasons why I don't call the rain 12 a game changer because it is not one of those things that's going to have that type of impact on the DJ culture. Now, I do see a lot of video material with DJ's using brain 12 and you do have DJ's that will bring their own rain 12 to a venue and I've done that myself once but for the most part people won't do that and they'll play on whatever's in The club, I know you cdjs or two turntables with DVS and that's why phase will have a bigger impact because you can take face to any club. And as long as they have turntables with rotating platter. So if the platters are still spinning you can use phase but I do want to get into the fact that I was asked about my opinion when it came to the issues with phase and my answer was I don't know about the issues besides some of the things I've read online because I don't have my face. System yet. I'm still waiting. It should be arriving soon, but I don't have it yet. I have heard people talk about sync issues and stuff like that. And I know I saw a comment in here by Cleveland Terry bones. I hope that's how you pronounce your last name and check them out on YouTube as well because I know he's made a video about phase. He's done like a review and he's tested it and he's waiting on the firmware update because there are Some issues but not enough to prevent you from using them but enough that you have to think about them while using it. Yeah, there seems to be a drift issue and hopefully firmware will fix that. I have no doubt that they're going to be able to fix issues like that with firmware updates. But if that's going to be something that happens soon. I don't know and there have been a couple of issues when it comes to waiting time and phase that's been the main complaint for a lot of people who pre-ordered They're phase units over a year ago. And finally now they have them and communication hasn't been totally smooth. So I hope that their updates are going to be coming out a little more smoothly or at least that they communicate the the release of that as soon as possible because if I was a brand and I was launching a brand new product. I know not everything is going to be perfect. You're going to run into some Way she is but I would try to stay on top of that to make sure I keep a clear open line of communication with the consumer and take their input. But also make sure I keep them up-to-date when it comes to what's happening what they're working on and when we can expect updates and stuff like that. Um, all right, let me see what is in here. I'm 41, and I've been thinking about DJing since my teens, I recently bought an entry level controller and people are losing their minds over my mixes can't believe how addictive it is. How supportive the DJ Community is yeah, man. That's great to hear that's always great to hear 41 that just reminds me of the fact that I've talked about this more and more that your age is of no importance. If you feel DJing and something you want to do and you're 11 go for it. You're 41 go for your 51 go for it. And DJing does not mean that you have to play in clubs. That week you could have all the fun in the world by just DJing at home and every once in a while, maybe if you have like a family gathering or some type of local event, you can bring out your stuff and play there as well. I mean DJing is just fun. So don't let anything hold you back just to make sure you get yourself a set and have some fun with it. And while I'm on that subject, I'm currently I've talked about this in the past couple of weeks because this is something that's really taking up a lot of my time. I'm right now I'm currently working on my first official DJ course and that is definitely aimed at the beginner DJ. So whatever your age is if you're starting out right now that course is going to be all for you and my main goal with that course is to make sure that you have the right foundation. So it doesn't matter if you want to become a club DJ Festival DJ or just play at home having that right foundation. Is just the thing you need to set you up for success. And if you just going to play at home to set you up to have more fun. You can buy a set and just play around with it at home. That's going to be massive fun. I know just playing the music you love having no idea how to mix you're still going to have fun. But if you learn those fundamental skills and techniques the knowledge that comes with it that's going to help you out a lot because was once you understand the structure of songs and you get a little insight into how and when you're supposed to mix and you start to hear yourself do mixes that actually make sense. So they're in sync. You got the EQ right? You got the timing right? First time I did that that blew my mind and I was just thinking about that today. Actually when the first time I had an a cappella and that a capella was synced up with an instrumental and I got it to work. So I had synced right and the timing was right that to me was like mind-blowing that I was able to make my own version of a song by grabbing two records one instrumental one acapella. And now I was hearing a totally new version of a song that I already loved and if you're doing stuff like that timing and being able to beat match is so important because during these last I don't know whatever 25 years. I've heard so many let's call a mashups where DJ's are using a cappella instrumental where DJ's were either not beat matching correctly. So the acapella was in there at the right point, but the temple was wrong and you could hear it get out of sync and then the flow of the acapella just doesn't make sense anymore. That's a horrible sound or to me. Even worse is when you hear that the Beats were matched correctly, but the acapella was placed on the wrong count. And obviously the DJ who's doing a mash-up is not hearing it. But if it's one of your favorite tracks and you know that track by heart, you know exactly how all the lyrics go how it's supposed to be a flowed you name it and you hear it, and it's Placed incorrectly on an instrumental on the wrong count, it totally destroys the song and I that's like one of the things I could never stand that was just like abuse of songs to me that can all be prevented. If your foundation is, correct. Once you know how to count on you understand how timing works you're not going to drop that acapella on the wrong count. You're going to get it right and you're going to hear if it's not right. I was blessed to just just I don't know kind of have that ability drumming helped out a lot of course, but I had an ear for that and some people will just have that ear for it and some DJ's will tell you that they feel all of these tutorials and all of this technical explaining is a bunch of BS that it's all about feeling the music but fact just is for a lot of people it isn't. Yes, you're supposed to Feel the music but it's about More Than A Feeling. Some people just do not have that written legal sense built in that they can automatically here when a beat is not match correctly or if you're dropping something on the wrong count for a lot of people that is not a natural instinct and you're going to have to learn how that works. I I can't remember if I absolutely knew how that work before I started drumming. My guess is I had a rhythmical sense. Listen to a lot of music. I just had a feeling for but still drumming taught me all about the structure because when your drumming you also learn how to work with Beats bars and phrases, even though I've never used those terms back then I learned about measures which is the same thing as a bar and you actually learn to read these sheets of musical paper, but drum not notes, but just the drum patterns you learn how to Read those and perform those and I'm sure that helped me out. But I also have an ear for key because I could hear when certain songs would Clash in the melody. A lot of people don't hear that and you have to teach them and you can't teach them. That's the beautiful thing about the internet. You have a chance to actually teach people and that's going to help you improve your playing as well. So yeah my I love it. I mean I digress that happens sometimes but yeah when I think of stuff I get to say it. That's why I have my podcast. All right, so let me go on so I'm still waiting for the elite mixer release reloop reloop. Look good, too. I'm going to order phase. Which one is the elite mixer. That's the reloop, right? Still need to get my hands on that but I don't have it. Not right now. Let's see. What else do we have in here? So here's another one rain twelves are not going to be making their way into clubs in the u.s. In my opinion and I spent a lot of spots in NYC in fact vinyl is being used a lot these days. So it's going to be turntables and cdjs for the time being phase is going to be useful as you said because you can still use real vinyl. All right, that's good to hear. I hope you're a Yankee fan and not just wearing the Hat because it's dope we take the Bronx bombers seriously in NYC baby. No, I am not a Yankee fan. I wear because I like to NY hat. Yes, and I have that right to because I'm a tourist. Look. I'm not a u.s. Resident so I don't have to claim any City or any team like that. And I always like to NY hat. I mean for me my love with the u.s. Definitely came from hip-hop and Hip-Hop that influenced me most was definitely east coast and New York. I love West Coast hip hop as well. But New York was special for me. And if I'm not mistaken, I'm not a hundred percent. Sure. I bought that one in New York, but a lot of those hats there, so no, I'm not gonna apologize. AJ's for that. I'm glad you take it serious. I mean we have the same thing over here. I'm from Amsterdam and you will not catch me walking around with merchandise from soccer clubs from other cities, and I'm not even into football soccer. I'm not even into that besides training my son's team coaching my son's team, but this is Amsterdam. So if I'm rocking anything, it's going to be our clock. It's going to be Ajax all the way. So I understand where you're coming. From but then again if I see someone from New York rocking one of our caps, I'm not going to be mad about it. If you just bought the cap because it was dope or because it's at Amsterdam on the side. So yeah, that is what it is. Why would anyone dislike this dude's video? Keep up the good work? All right. Let's get into that for a second. This doesn't just relate to me but to everyone on social media. This is bigger than YouTube. It's all social media, but especially when it comes to YouTube in my videos, I No, I always have at least two people who have made it their their hobby, I guess to make sure they dislike my video. I always have like one or two. I'm very content with the amount of likes compared to dislikes that I received for my videos because it definitely paints a picture that shows me that people appreciate the videos and that there's a pretty positive vibe around that hole. Channel you can see that in the comments as well. There's like hardly any negativity and YouTube can be a cesspool when it comes to that. If you go to comment sections for certain types of videos. Whoo, it's incredible. It's terrible to see the amount of negativity. You see there you hardly see that when it comes to all of my videos on my channel a lot of positivity. Sometimes there will be discussions. But even though discussions are handled in a mature fashion, so I really like that but There are always like one or two people that are soon as my video drops did there for that dislike? I would almost say that they subscribe and have the notifications on just so they can dislike but I don't worry about that. I never worry about that. So even if these people are genuinely not liking the video and they decided that they feel is their duty to let me know by leaving that dislike. That's perfectly fine. That's where I'm really fine because you're never going to please everyone so I don't worry about that. But I believe these are I don't know who call them trolls are not Trolls. But like I said, I feel there's one or two people who just like to dislike every video and that's cool. They still watch the video and this like is still engagement. So YouTube likes engagement so I don't worry about that. But the reason I bring it up is I know a lot of people do vote worried about likes and dislikes on Media so not specifically YouTube. But like if you look at Instagram same thing like a lot of people also people I talked to they post something and if they don't get enough likes right away, they get worried about it or they start to second-guess themselves and my opinion is just don't worry about that too much. Just post the content you want to post the content you would like to post and if people like it they like it if they don't they don't but don't take it more serious than that. That it's not like an indication of how the world feels about you and people have the right to like or dislike your content, but I know people who will actually delete posts after a couple of hours if they haven't received enough likes because they feel it will look bad to have that on their profile for some it might be business related that they want to have the facade that every post a post has an enormous amount of likes and anything that has less still delete. I've never done that. I'm not into that some of my posts on Instagram only have a hundred likes While others will have 1100. So I take a look at that and I'll analyze to a certain degree and it teaches me something about my audience. So for instance on Instagram, I know that if I post pictures with DJ equipment or pictures of me having a gig especially videos of me performing, they're gonna do a lot better. Than videos about anything else even if I'm in the picture, but it's about something else not dj gear or gig most likely it's going to have a lot less likes. Now if it was all about likes for me, I would just post DJ gear and DJ Gig shots, but that's not what it's about. I mean I post whatever I want to post and I know a certain post that is not going to get the amount of likes. I don't care if I feel like posting it. I'm going to post that so please Take that too. Seriously and just post what you want to post man. That's so cool. Makes it easy to build a stunning website for your music and minutes. You can choose from hundreds of mobile-friendly themes and then customize your design and content in a few clicks with bands. 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I would definitely not change my name I would know that. I mean I've used this DJ name for 26 years or longer. I don't even know how I lost cause I think it's 27 years actually, so I'm not going to change that name. Now if that other DJ was somehow take legal steps and and they would have like the the the trademark and you name it if I would have to think of some type of trick that would allow me to still use it. I would probably do that, but we would have to see I mean that is something that could potentially happen that if you have a DJ name and another DJ has that same name uses that same name and they turned this into a legal situation. That might be a different. And scenario so they trademarked the name is their name and then maybe they can force you to stop using that name now. I think it also matters on what country you're in. So if you're in the same country that might legally be a little bit easier to do. I don't know how that works. If one person for instance lives in Austria and is a DJ there and the other one is a DJ in Mexico. I don't know how easy it would be to actually sue someone and claim that name for yourself, but I would not. Change that but I think it also depends on if you're in the same. In the same pool. Let me put like this. Are you the same type of DJ? Are you playing the same type of music? Are you in the same area? That might make it more problematic if there was another djt alignment Amsterdam or at least in the Netherlands that will be an issue because if my name is on a flyer but it's not me because another DJ's use that's a name people here could assume that I would be the DJ who's attending and playing. We don't want that confusion. I mean the other DJ doesn't want that confusion either because imagine if that DJ is doing a solo gig and you using the name tlm and then you have like a bunch of people in the audience looking at that DJ. Like who are you? I mean I can say that here because I know there's no one else with that name and if someone will start to use that name now, they're 27 years too late because most people will put my face with that name, but I All those things play a role. So if you're into totally different genre different place, it might not matter that much. But even then I mean, that's tricky. It's a little bit tricky. I mean, I can't speak anymore because I've never been in that situation. I've advised new DJ's against certain names. I know one DJ who wanted to name himself DJ scratch. So I told them I don't think that's a good idea. There's already a legendary DJ scratch from EPMD out. You've been DJing, I mean I think over 30 years. Well known within the hip-hop scene legendary status. You name it still DJing. I don't think it's a good idea to give yourself that name. So in that case and I there were a couple other situations as well where people came to me and asked me for my opinion when it came to a DJ name and when I heard the name and heard that it was like a familiar name, I definitely advise them not to do it but in any other scenario Mario I don't know what I would do. All right, so I'm going to talk about a comment that I saw and this is a comment that was made for my no regrets. No shortcut video podcast episode from a couple of weeks ago and the common here is that mf'er is forgetting that the goal is not to be the best DJ in the world. But to enjoy what you're doing and the whole process of learning and failing, I agree 90% Yes, I've That the process and enjoying the process is very important when I think back. To the beginning days of my DJ Adventure. I have a lot of fun thinking about that because I remember having a lot of fun and this started before I had my first real DJ set this started when I first had vinyl and I started to play vinyl on two different sets. So we had to set in the living room. I had a little set in the house in my room and back in the days those sets would include a turntable. So I hooked those two up so I had two different Stereo sets with a turntable and that allowed me to play vinyl on both decks no pitch so I couldn't beat match half of the things I did sounded terrible, but I just love the fact that I was able to play multiple tracks at the same time and I will grab an acapella of one track and instrumental and I would just scratch no fader. Just moving it back and forth while the beat was playing that to me was already amazing and incredible and I loved it. Course when I got my first DJ set already had a little vinyl collection and really started to practice working on my mixes working on my turntablism a mixer with no crossfader learning how to backspin with just the up faders recording on cassette listening back going in again doing the mix again learning improving listening to albums listening to scratches on an album trying to emulate those scratches that was done with a lot of fun. I enjoyed doing it. That's why I could do it for hours on because it was something I love to do and I enjoyed myself to the fullest during that process now, especially when you start to progress that helps out a lot that's motivating. So once you learn how to do a scratch once you get that beats to match another beat those things make you feel invincible and I enjoyed that entire process over the years upgrading gear learning new. Meek's doing my first gig in front of people playing My First do my first DJ battle all of that feeling the nerves then feeling happy afterwards making mistakes during live shows you name it? It's all part of the game all part of the process and I loved it still love it. But the part where I disagree is when you say the goal is not to be the best DJ in the world. I feel you can enjoy the process to the fullest, but you can definitely Physically feel that you want to become the best the best whatever in this case, we're talking about DJing but this could be the best whatever. I know this probably plenty of basketball players out there who enjoy the process but in the back of their mind, they were thinking about becoming the best. You can't tell me that Kobe Bryant wasn't thinking about being the best and he probably enjoyed the process at the same time. You can tell me Lebron wasn't thinking about that. You can tell me MJ was always thinking about that being the best so No, I disagree. You can definitely feel that as your goal to become the best, but just don't forget to enjoy the process at the same time and realize if you're starting out now and you have it set in your mind that you want to become the best that you should strive to become the best. But enjoy that process and understand. It's going to be a long process, especially if you want to become the best the best takes a lot of work a lot of hours. Is months years you name it we can attest it out when I say we I'm talking about brain power the MC that I work with toward. I haven't torn with for 21 years. I remember the first time that we were competing. This was a national contest here in the Netherlands. I don't know if you could call it a talent show, but it was kind of like a talent show, but with a lot of actually talented artists and you would do a couple of free shows and if you Would make it to the finals you will play in a venue called Paradiso here in Amsterdam a big venue and you will be judged by a panel and the audience and I remember we practiced like eight hours a day for that weeks on weeks on weeks just on and on forever. Why because we wanted to be the best not just for that event, but that was on our minds at that time, but we have a lot of fun doing that but Were working nonstop because we had it in our minds that we wanted to be the best and as an end result of that during that event. We won the main prize that is the judge the panel's prize. So they choose a winner we won there was also a People's Choice Award we won there was a best MC. He won there was a best DJ I want the only category we didn't win was best singer. That's because we did. Not sing beyond that we just destroyed the competition because we work for it love the process but we had it in our minds to go for it. Not just to have fun having fun. That's great. But there's nothing wrong with being hungry and wanting that prizes. Well that price can be an actual prize in the contest. But that price can also be just to become the best so making a combination out of those two. That hunger and enjoying the process to me. That's the perfect combination and that's what you want to have. That's going to be someone who could take it really really far. So that's just something I wanted to add. This is not really answering a question. But sometimes I see your comment and I could just put a reply in text and leave it there. But in this case, I feel a video makes a lot more sense. It will probably reach more people and I hope to inspire you with this as well because you might be at home, right? Now and maybe you have that hunger and somehow you feeling like it's not happening fast enough for it's not working out for you. Don't forget to enjoy the process as well because that can motivate you and get you going again as well. But that's it. All right. I see another comment here for my setting cue points for your whole music collection. And that's also a podcast episode and the common is setting cue points in advance is an opportunity for you to really get to know the tracks your ad. Into your collection as you're listening to them since as tlm said another videos is crucial to know the music you intend to play I usually set acupoint on the first beat another one on the last beat of the intro for me to quickly see if the intro is four bars or eight bars long that still but you see that at a glance on the waveform. Anyway, then I do the same thing on the first and second hook for me to know where to start might just where to start my transition whether I decide to Let the song play until the 1st or 2nd hook depending on whether your audience is really feeling the track. So in this case really using the Q points as a visual marker not just the point where you can go to real quick. But using the Q points as a visual marker is a very smart tactic especially for songs that you don't know that well, then that visual indicator can really help you out. Also like the fact that you're talking about the first beat and that last beat before the new phrase begins. Begins where mostly the verse will begin because yes, some intros will be only four bars. Some will be a bars and you can tell by looking at the waveform but having that extra visual cue Point can be a nice addition. All right, I guess you play a song without putting any Q points in it, but you got to know that the song you got to know that song about heart. So you might want to put Q points in it. Anyway as you're practicing because if not, like someone else said in the comments, what's the point of playing digitally? Yeah true. I mean there's a lot of songs that I know by heart. But in that case I still have q points in they're not as a visual indicator, but because I want to be able to work fast and if I know like the first beat I always have that just because if I'm beat-matching and I have it synced. I want to go back to the beginning with a push of a button instead of having to rewind the record or lifting up the needle so that's an important point for me. Then there might be other parts in the track that I I want to go too quick and that's why I have q points in there. Even if it's track that I know by heart the main goal of Q point system will fast while your DJ your time is limited when you're spinning and you want to move quick. So a lot of things are going to happen that will slow you down. You beat matching and want to get to the beginning of the song again. Yes. That's what I just said. Exactly. Yeah, you were playing it going to play a song But realize it doesn't fit the Ambiance your track skipped and you do want to start it over. Special part in the song comes up for which you have a little Q Point juggle. Yep, all of that but also a member of staff comes and talks to you a customer comes to request a song you say hi to your friends some flirtatious chick comes to talk to you, etc, etc. You want to be able to move as fast as you can to reduce reaction time and lower the stress that comes from adapting to an unexpected situation. That's a very good point because especially if you're not used to playing in front of people yet. You need to realize that once you get into the scenario of playing in front of people where people have access to you. It means that a lot of people are going to have a chance to disturb disrupt or at least get in your work space while you're attempting to perform some mean well, some are very egoistic and they are just About themselves and some actually don't mean well at all whatever the case may be people could disturb your set. So in that case Q points can definitely help out as well. I've been in a situation where someone was really distracting right before I wanted to make a transition. I had to brush them off quick then jump back to the set. If at that point, I had to manually bring back the vinyl bring back the needle Look for the beginning. I would not be in time for the transition. In this case. I brush the person off ran back to the set hit my cue point to go back to that first beat because I only had like three more counts before the hook started hit that Q point and I was able to just bring it in just in time for the transition without key points. That would not be possible and I've been in plenty of situations before my digital time where I was using vinyl wear something like that happened. And then I missed my window and then I had to wait an entire other verse before I could do my transition in the next hook and that was always really frustrating. So Q points can really help you out. Same thing with like short Loops that you can activate it any point stuff like that can help you out if you run into situations like that. So so it's always good to hear from actual experience DJ's because I can recognize a lot of the things. He's talking about and that's what I love about the modern technology. I don't feel it takes over the DJ job in any way. I feel it makes our job easier because we had to deal with situations in the past that went beyond our control and I have no desire to keep it real for some of these purists and continue to live in those circumstances when there's no need to same thing with needles that used to skip Now if you play with Cerrado or DJ software and you have it in relative mode the skips. Don't affect your track the way they did now, is that a skill factor? No, it's not. I've played in clubs where you had like this unsteady stage and any time someone would touch the DJ booth your record with Skip and this was a place where people were leaning up against the DJ booth. So a lot of times your records would skip now that's not something I want to continue to happen. But at that particular venue, it would always happen now with Cerrado that change the situation even if the record would skip the music will continue to play straightaway. It was less of an issue compared to when your needle on normal vinyl skips. And now you're all the way back to the beginning of the song or you're in the next song the whole vibe is dead. You have to lift the needle up no sound bring it back to the beginning. That's so awful situation. There's no way I would continue to play. A risk that if I don't have to because that's not taking away anything from your skills. That's why it's so tiring to talk to certain people about technological development because they feel that now it's all about the technology and not about the skill. But a lot of these things had nothing to do with skill at all. So yeah, man, it's perfect to have stuff like that and that's a very good use of Q points. So thank you for that comment. All right. I'm going to keep Nice and short for this episode. That's because I have to get back to work. I have a couple of videos. I need to record got some DJ City videos. I need to shoot. So I hope you enjoyed this episode share the knowledge podcast for DJ's episode 10 season to 2019. We're already in May time is going fast. I'll be back next week with a new episode. So if you're new to the podcast thanks for tuning in. Hopefully you'll be back next time make sure you share the podcast if you get the opportunity, so All know that I have an actual full audio version because some people still think that all I do is shoot videos and when they see the video podcast Clips, they feel that that is my podcast and they're missing out on at least half of the content from every week's episode because I don't post everything on YouTube talking about YouTube if you haven't checked out my YouTube Channel DJ tlm TV, make sure you do because I have a lot more stuff going on over there as well. I'll talk more about my DJ course as this develops and in the very near future. I'm going to be looking for five to ten serious people serious people who are in their beginning stages and really feel they need to learn more about all of the DJ fundamentals. I'm going to be looking for five to 10 people to test my DJ course and I want people who actually still need to learn because Cuz that's going to be the best indicator if the course is effective. So if you already know how to DJ in that case we can never tell if you learned something from the course or not. If you don't know how to DJ yet or are really in your beginning stages or you're still struggling with a lot of the fundamentals then this is something that could work. Now that's going to be a little while that's going to be dragged probably next week or two weeks when I start to really call. People for that but if you're listening to podcasts right now, are you are beginner and you are interested. I'm I'm all will be selecting five to 10 people to test the course. You're going to have to do the entire course from beginning to end and the only thing that I'll ask from you is that you give me the feedback and write me a testimonial that's going to be it. So you're getting that DJ course entirely free and trust me. That is a very Very nice discount. I'll talk more about that. Very very soon. All right. Thanks for tuning in. See you next week.

Welcome to season 2, episode 10, brought to you by Bandzoogle. Try Bandzoogle free for 30 days: https://bandzoogle.com/websites-for/djs?pc=share Use the code SHARE for 15% off your first year. * Your age doesn't matter if you want to DJ. * My upcoming DJ course and the importance of mastering the fundamentals. * How drumming influenced my knowledge of the structure of music. * Wearing a Yankees hat while not being a Yankee fan ;) * Likes and dislikes on social media. * What to do when you have the same name as another DJ. * Trying to be the best vs enjoying the process. * My first DJ course. * How cue points (and other DJ technology) can assist you during sets. Feel free to jump in the comment section and join the conversation when you see a question that you can answer.

So you've taken someone else's Nostalgia Don't Panic we can help white men in masks are heroes. But black men in masks are scary. Thank God times have changed. Yeah. Thank God. It is extremely difficult to be a white man in America right now. So some are going to just try to be a blue one. We are talking HBO's Watchman season 1 episode 7 and almost religious. Ah, the AfterBuzz after show starts right now. Let's make sure I brought a hammer here as opposed for the 70, but they weren't kidding on this week. So. They were not they were not messing around whatsoever. This show continuously surprises me. I would love to say our predictions are right, but they are not we are tip of the iceberg predictors at this point and by we I mean me and by me, I mean us three. We are the panel of HBO's Watchman. We are talking season 1 episode 7 and almost religious. Ah, and I personally am almost religiously in awe of this show. Can I have to say that I was gonna set it. Better take her on this show is absolutely amazing. Yes, it's not just my opinion. Mmm. We will get to that later in this week's episode as we after show it all the way now, if you don't know who I am. I am Toronto. I'm joined by an illustrious panel. I'm a DC Watcher, but I'm not the only one all the way to my left left. Nate is in the building to the left to the left. Yeah to the left to the left to the window to the wall. That is Nate. Nate is historically accurate standing ovation. Burner that is exactly who you are. I'll take that that is a thing that is a real thing. It is DC called me and was like who ring ring? Why was the Nate? They said Nate? Wow. Yes. That is the thing. That's actually actually makes a lot of sense. I don't know if we know the comics or Washington DC. I'm not sure but I know someone someone from very high I think DC they said DC direct current. I'm not sure but to my left but Nate's right Nate's right is our cultural attache in the middle. Ryan Nelson is in the building. So happy to be here y'all I too am in religious all this episode and I'm in a little bit of an all because we don't have drew today, but it is Miller time and we're with the one and only tear on this episode was absolutely amazing. One of the best twists. Yes. We might have predicted something like this, but we didn't know who was aware of you that count as with dr. Manhattan, please stop speaking. I did I say did but we didn't It was aware. So it's just massive twist. Sometimes I had I didn't have predicted it to this show is great and not in the chat y'all it's on it's it's there. I am in the chat y'all please comment away your thoughts on this episode. Let's do this. We're gonna get into overall thoughts on this week's episode and we're going to get into this debate on who predicted at first. However, we will be breaking this down as thus. Dr. Manhattan's Montage Angela and Vietnam Grandma June. We got that tidbit on Nostalgia beyond. That was a very good twist. Did you predict that too? Nate Mueller. No, you did not exactly had boots. I hate New Millennium clock agent Blake 7th Cavalry plant Adrian's trials that subplot is developing and going further and more confusing than ever the big reveal of course, which we've revealed since the beginning of this after-show Calvin is dr. Manhattan our special segment buyer cell where we buy and sell something from the show the Most favorite part and the least favorite part even though our least favorite part tends to still be an extremely favorite part and news and gossip. We have some great news and gossip you're going to stay tuned this concept of how Watchman came to be what it is today predictions and so much more overall thoughts. I need to know what your overall thoughts on this week's HBO's Watchman season 1 episode 7 and almost religious. Awe Nate Mueller. This is my favorite show on TV right now except I sewed was incredible best one. They have had so far. You've said that every single week, it's Dave. It's somehow has gotten better and better and they have done an incredible job at setting up these Mysteries that have payoffs while still having mystery and like we've learned so much about what's going on and we still have no idea. What's really going on. We know nothing. Yeah, and that's just it's really difficult to do that and execute that very well and I want to give them props because they've done an incredible job. I still like like we said like, you know you predicted something. Some things they are a lot of Clues to but still how those things are going to apply to the general story. I have no idea and yeah, I just I love it. The performances are great the use of color to show like the old memories versus the new memories and like just the overall cinematography and the score this shows just like the whole package. So yeah, and she's coming - every week to be very fair because Nate needs this Nate has predicted several things that seemed unpredictable at the tide. I'm not I'm not trying to claim credit for these addictive we get it man action you predicted know I you can get in creditor. If you don't not try to claim credit Nate predicted in this show starts off and it's like I called it. I said it just okay Nate we get it. He we hear you thought coming. I feel like the rest of us. I felt were shocked right? I'm amongst the shot overall thoughts. I think Cal a bar went to medical school in Manhattan and he is dr. Manhattan. I am I was blown away by this episode. Okay this Was amazing writing great twists on twists. You just cannot see it coming. I love this show so much. It is the best show on TV constantly. Just keeping you on your toes. This this it's quite incredible. I absolutely love it. Every character is so developed and it's a huge cast when you're when you think about it, there's just so many people in this Ensemble and just the amount of payoffs of little tiny details that been in the corner and how just no matter what if you're a big fan if you've seen seen if you've read the graphic novel seen the movie or just coming in fresh. There's always something there for you and you can view this show and so many different ways. It's been written in such a special way that any viewer can get something unique out of it. I am absolutely in love with Watchman my biggest critique of this show. Yeah is that it is not the comic book. It is an extension. It is an addition and it is the best of both. It makes me question my own personal intelligence because I watch the show and think to myself. This is so brilliant. Where did they even begin to create this storyline? It is the most intriguing compelling television. I say this every week and I stand by it every single week on television itself. It raises the bar so high that every other Comic book TV show especially DC shows which are usually some of the best it raises the bar so high that all of them fail in Compares, that's High Praise You know, I'm a producer here Taryn does more superhero TV after shows than any host here. So the fact that you're saying that that is the highest price is right here that is huge an avid watcher of all these shows avid watcher and Purveyor of both DC and Marvel. Yeah, I've praised DC television shows while condemning the movies. I did love Watchman the movie even though a lot of people who were Avid fans did not like it because of the interpretation but I understood and was happy that the movie got made because it could have easily been overlooked right Watchman for many Ratings wise was a form of Guardians of the Galaxy in the DC world. It was something that for sure looked over by the masses and consumed by the few and understood by even less. So watching Watchman now on television and watching it as we watch it as a group watching get individually and watching it where you literally have to digest this show. Hmm and the more you digest it the more You realize how great it was? Yeah, the tidbits the callbacks to understanding. I have not waited for a single plot line to unfold on the show. Nate pointed it out earlier we get so much information and yet literally still know nothing like a day passes still we the more information. We know the less we actually know right and that in itself but not in a confusing way. Not in a we don't understand what's happening way. We want to know more. Yeah, I think it's just a master class on how to do a sequel because no no no no, no. A sequel is actually is disrespectful to watch the show is I continue out of shape. I understand I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think well, you know, I think was Fast and Furious 9 is a sequel. Yeah, but I didn't but I it is a continuous. My argument would be that the all of those fashion movies should not be considered sequels. They could just Chase they should be considered franchises and that's why I mean a true definition of what a sequel is. They really demonstrate that they understand the source material. At its core and once they're able to do that. They can take these already exhausted care Curry 2 is a sequel this this is something else. My friend is something else. I agree with you. I mean, I see something else. I agree. It's something else. This is not this is not a sequel. This is not even continuation. This is a universe that's been created and I'll explain let's look at it on the cinematography level that you were quack. Let me just give me one I say all this. Choose whatever word you want. I say all this to say just like you said it's like a new experience because they've taken the thing that made Watchman the comic books. So powerful. Was it deconstructing these tropes that already existed within the comic book Universe, right? And they have been able to not only keep those same things about conflict stuff. But also other things about television they've been able to apply most times when you have complications that are either TV or movies you lose something because they're certain storytelling tricks and complex that it's very difficult to to pull off for example something I noticed we're watching the episode today. They just do a great job of these things where they they do the roloffs narration where the voiceover starts in the other scene, but it's not just to help ease the transition our speed at edit along it's because that important line of dialogue it's relates thematically to the next scene just like in the book with the nine panels. So we're in agreeance except for the word sequel if you want to call my mother a whore that's fine, but do not call watch out fine. I won't the HBO show Asik. On a Mac you understand. Do you understand? Yes mate. I feel like I can man is on trial right now. This is this is a thing. Hold on guilty. Let me prepare my hang up a pig old fart. Don't fart. That was that was actually seen where I felt that that was not unnecessary and when it comes down to it that will be the scene that I sell but we'll get to that of course. Okay, I however we're going to have to start with that. Dr. Manhattan Montage. Yeah, because I know that both Ryan and Nate have a lot to discuss regarding that beginning true. Hope coming from the dr. Manhattan, which we've seen this before actually we've seen something similar to this in the end the museum. So here's the dr. Manhattan Trope. What were your thoughts? You don't need the Montage in Vietnam in the beginning in the beginning where the the the statuesque was explaining The dr. Manhattan's? Oh got it. Got it. Yeah, I mean what's so great. I was kind of alluding to this earlier is you know, there's so many viewers who haven't read the graphic novel. They haven't seen the movie and they're coming into this and there. There's a great idea about this that the original graphic novel. They're catching the reader up on what's happened with the Minutemen in the past. So if you're viewing the show, you're being caught up on what happened in that graphic novel. So what's so great about that that opening montage is your learning about the origin of dr. Manhattan and you've seen it if you've read it, but now you're getting it again firsthand you're being a visual to speed of the visualization. So I thought that was really interesting while also connecting it to alright, this is what He did in the past and now we're going to Vietnam this being this episode. We're having some flashbacks. And what is dr. Manhattan? All Bali? What is HE capable of what happened to him? And I think that's a really fascinating when you think about it. So it means origin obviously he went back to get his watch and he was locked into this container with this experience was going on. He was obliterated and then he brought himself back together and he's now basically a God right? I really fascinating. It was extremely fascinating and I liked how easily they did it without for. Nate Mueller, if you want to call my grandmother a prostitute, that's fine. If you call this a c-spine, we're going to fight. Okay, what were your thigh already agreed not to just so just for the records making sure which okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was it's just a great storytelling tool to be able to have it be in Universe like this documentary asks way and just like, you know, I just want to Echo what he said like it was a it's difficult for me being a longtime fan of Watchmen took a kind of like see how someone who's not familiar. With the movie or the book would you know anticipate a character like that in my head, dr. Manhattan without having the backstory. So I think this was a great way of establishing that also it's just really cool that they are really weighing in on like the real world implications of these type of events and like what it would be like if your country was, you know, if we did win the Vietnam War because we had what is essentially a God just walk over and just blow it to Pieces until they surrendered and and that you know that that whole story of like what is essentially It seems like almost like a propaganda historical film right leading into her back story and seeing the festival and you know the bombing obviously in the people how the people reacting. It was really powerful like it's something that hasn't even happened but it's still I can it's it's not that far away outside of the whole superhuman God thing like the colonization of people like that's a very real thing that we are still dealing with the ramifications of and Vietnam becoming the 51st state as watching that Montage was the Montage accurate being Someone who is a true student of the comic which is interesting because you know, we get we've had a little glimpses of other things on TV about other characters like oh my God, I'm forgetting the Noose. What's the the hood to Justice, you know, and they got that so wrong because we see the actual origin of foot adjust asst from last week's episode. So it's interesting that the you know, they have won that one perfectly and then others not so not so much. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's If it's perfect, but I think in terms of like it I didn't notice any big inaccuracies if there was some they went they went by me. One thing I did think was really cool is what they showed the intrinsic field generator and then later in the courtroom. The judges like desk thing is the intrinsic field render just turn on its side. So it was cool to see it in the like visual flashback in the beginning to have confirmation on like that's what it was totally and that is actually very cool. I liked how seamless it. Was it is a great tool because the concept is I'm the viewer may not be so familiar. But now I'm getting caught up and and you the student are extremely familiar and are still on on board and on the same page. It's great to see that happen. And if you want to call my aunt a stripper Nate, please feel free to do so, but if you say the word sequel I will have to fight you. I'm just letting you know got it when it comes to fighting. We also saw the fighting in Vietnam. And of course America wins thanks to the one and only dr. Manhattan. That's the tidbit of how Angela is in Vietnam father is in the services mother is there Vietnam is the 51st state. We understand that there are extreme opportunities and new States and it goes from there. What were your thoughts on that storyline regarding? Her parents and of course the movie Sister night. It was a really I mean, there's so many Easter eggs in that scene with like the different titles on the movies in there and stuff. But seeing this, you know this mystery of how she became sister night has been an ongoing thing. So to now see where she got the name derived from and see her relationship with her parents and we I believe we had already known that she was orphaned we did. Yeah. So she did not have that would work has sure of how we didn't of not only just the orphanage however the concept of the grandmother and all the interesting tidbits that we got in this particular story line in a flashback of a memory. Yeah. I was going to say I mean shout out to Faith Herman first off. That's the actress who played young Angela a bar. We've actually had her in studio. She is a delight. I was so excited to see her on-screen. She's very another DC property Shazam this year. So she's just killing it on all levels. Eels. I really love seeing this origin play out on screen and you know with all this backstory on Angela's family just going back to you know, there's this whole lineage of being a police officer and a lot of police officers, you know, they don't have many ties to family and that that it plays into the reasoning behind their their move into justice. So it was interesting that she wanted to be a police officer before her parents perished and then after that definitely played into her origin also being Sister night with that with that cow and everything being Bye-bye a movie. It's so cool. Because the movie look like her something that was also a nod towards representation. We see constant social commentary being brought up and we also see that the character by the way, can we all agree that the grandmother young and old seems like the same person? Oh, yeah Stephen. Yeah didn't aged a day. No. She ain't but it looked like the same exact person. Like we were I honestly have to look it up to make sure that they are who they were. Not the same actor all they were they were not I'll tell you make it a joke or my mind blown. That's the that's surprised. That is a separate actor so Valerie Ross, please the grandmother June and that's why it was very to me. It was very interesting that casting it. And so Danielle dead Wyler plays the June we've seen and then grandmother June is played by Valerie Ross and that energy hmm. And at characteristic was so comparable that I also thought they were the same and I had to look it up loud break after we got some awesome Charlie wait till we have like almost a hundred people in the chat right now. So thank you so much. This is thank you so much for not enough. Make sure to share subscribe like spread the word. Tell your friend hit the like button we had someone just asking do you think dr. Manhattan killed the grandmother that's from Westworld. I mean, it's so fascinating because this is all happening in Vietnam at the time and she did just kind of fall over and but we there's Many interesting tip about the heart attack. So I thought that that was a continuation of she had heart attack, but she's fine and now and the student Angela's about to be saved in some way pulled out and pulled out all of a sudden something all trash Kappa tragic happened importantly. She can get the gist tosa. Yeah exactly the Tulsa World War this because we here well, we should go back to Tulsa there in New York. We should go to Tulsa and now we see where in Vietnam. I mean, let's go to Tulsa. Now, we know why yeah, she gets just inherit a hint of little bit of her family, which she really doesn't know anything about because her dad never, you know, included his dad or his mom either he cut them both out. And so she wasn't connected that side of her family at all that also storyline of masks are scary bad people wear masks and it's because we saw the origin story last week where we'll where William Reeves is hooded Justice and son is made afraid of him. Yeah smart. Wow, I All these things they always do callbacks and that appeals to me and of course writing and comedy so much. They always play the part the bomb goes off killing your parents. Yeah, I will was really fascinating about that as well is you know, this this shows had a ton of social commentary across the board and you're thinking all right Vietnam is now a state obviously you're going to have some some people who weren't some resistance and resistance and the fact that That you also got an early sighting of all right, Angela even as a kid is so aware of her surroundings sheet. Saw that coming. She's just so young and didn't really know what to do with the time but mean she had the instincts to recognize what was going on and then that awful explosion happens, which is why she you know that she later becomes a hero. Yeah. It's really interesting and that she points out the person later and the and that's her first time. We bring someone to justice. So again, it just plays in her origin of this is Happened her parents. It's very similar to Batman in that regard and bringing them to justice to the police. But she had this sense of justice within her and we see this before losing her parents. She wanted to do something in that Motif tells the grandmother. I'm going to be a police officer wants to hear The Gunshot to the accuser right? She wants to be president for us. He wants to be president. She wants to hear she even says can not here. Can I listen? They're like nah, and then they let her daughter and almost police form vigilante justice. I don't believe there was a judge jury and I just executioner. Yeah Angela's origin stories lead us to know who she is as an adult. We see the word sister night. We understand all these things. So Grandma June comes back in her life. Where your grandma June thoughts. Tool for a day nice to see where you've been and I mean it was nice to get an update and because we you know, we've been getting pieces of this story and we obviously know where Angela ends up but we don't know the middle parts. So it's nice to kind of get the connection of what's going on. But she doesn't she strategically or noticeably doesn't mention Will Will Reeves doesn't mention anything like that specifically specific. She changes the subject. What movie is this? I love that one. This is my favorite movie baby messed with her but that's what that motherfucker. So, let's get outta here. Yeah, the cars to a kid. She so clearly right you can read into that. There's some type of falling out that happen there. Will there's something that's going on with over you but we know the fire weird, we already saw that hassle. It happened but there's no it's reconciliation is not I mean, she said to the Reich she basically says like you don't exist to me anymore. Or and certainly we're not to be very fair. The amount of women that have told me I don't exist to them anymore. But it never they never reconciled which is like, okay, that's that's pretty it's a little tragic and the fact that you know, this little girl just lost our parents and she's not even going to mention. Hey, I'm this you don't have another family member out there. That's really interesting. So I mean, yeah that that's really all we kind of learn from that and that she was also familiar with sister night. But yeah, she just dies drops dead of a heart attack find a cock dead in the car and no But at least we get a lot of memory from Nostalgia and we learn a little bit about how Nostalgia works and how Angeles cure is working. We get an elephant the elephant in the room literally talk about it. I felt so stupid after I saw the elephant and then they showed the true logo again. I was like, duh. It's a fucking elephant. I've the whole time. I thought it was like a rip on like Tesla but it's an elephant trunks like some people making great great comments in the chat there saying elephants are known for having amazing. Amazing gamer he's saying so obviously, you know winking you're up to that. That's really just great writing. Once again, I'm still like it was still kind of Muddy. I'm wondering if she just put Wills memories in the elephant because elephants have great memory so they can they're just like big memory hard drives so that will could go do whatever he's doing and they can still do the process. Yeah. Also, by the way, I called it. It's just a theory II saw the connection between the elephant and having great memories, but we also learn about of course Nimmo dialysis. The elephant on the room thing is like is it goes there's many levels to there's going to be a lot of levels especially since it is specifically the logo there has to be something specifically intrinsic regarding elephants will even just in this episode like knowing that we I mean, I'm assuming true she We are assuming she insinuates. She insinuates that she knows who dr. Manhattan is and we know who it is. We know Angela knows who we know now. Don't say it. She doesn't say it the day that she says it makes her she specifically says you didn't ask. She says that man has been human and then you told you that you're not me and she also says earlier like are we just going to be honest with each other? And so to me the elephant in the room is also this like the whole time that they've been around like true. You knows everything. Yeah, but she's a genius us and we'll get to that definitely but talking about the Nimmo dialysis. Those memories have embedded themselves. Basically Nostalgia has as a memory as embedded self and to the neuro networks clogging existing Pathways and threatening higher cognitive function, which is why it's so dangerous. So it's called re Collective infestation only remedy for infestation is to call an exterminator. Name-O dialysis basically saturates the brain with cerebral spinal fluid provided by a natural host and literally Russia's Nostalgia from the cortex Wow, sure. So now we see what Angela has hooked up to the IV system that she has going on the injection which explains it to her true that counteraction and we get Beyond and a prediction that Nate and I made regarding Beyond actually being the mother the mother. Yeah, that was a major surprise to me because whose memories are you feeding her? Right? Angela thinks she has a one up on lady true and Lady true. Very plainly says her own, right? Yeah, so interesting the possibilities with just that concept you could do so many different storylines with that just putting another person's memories. It's really it's kind of remarkable, but the fact and then it's a reason behind why they kind of outlawed it and yeah, I'm really fascinated to see if they kind of go further into that. I mean we still don't really know the full significance behind that other than maybe that's a little a bit of humanity in Milady true in a weird odd way and that she's trying to keep her mother around and with those memories may do we have any predictions regarding this? I think that there's going to be more to it than just like the reveal that she's the grandma. Yes. We do things going to be involved in some way in like what's going on with our plan because I think the timing is interesting if she's a clone like the Clones at Vie as then why isn't she just why Wow? To make our maker Grandma age like or at least like adult age like so if if she's just growing naturally then that makes me think maybe she's different or maybe the timeline is specific like when she started this there's just something more into it. But yeah, but do you think being knows that she is a clone? I don't think she does. I think that's why she says that she when we first see her and she talks about having nightmares about the Vietnam stuff. Like she doesn't even realize that they're memories. She just thinks she's having like Night Ranger. Yeah dream fairy. Vivid dreams of Vietnam. Wow. It makes you think a lot about the similarities between her and Adrian veidt in that, you know, if Adrian veidt would he do something similar to this? This is I think the one aspect of her a lot more than I saw something really cool and Reddit today, which why I didn't discover this someone else did if you take so if you take veidt right and you like mirror it now you turn the D2 an r and the v2u it says true. Because we do know something about Adrian veidt had surgery or something to look different. He said that there was a whole thing about that. There was there was a thing about that now, I'm not saying it's lady true. But that's how the concept of our assumption was. That's why he looks the way he looks which is different from the Adrian veidt that we thought etc. Etc. Alright rubbery. However, that is something where I was like, what if well that's that's a something that's right. That's the one of something what if something we got a lot of things and she also mentions her dad lady true. We don't know exactly and he says she says that he's going to be there. It could be vital could be by seems like all the signs are pointing towards that's what I would think as well. But when it comes to things about lady true that we're wondering Millennium clock. What is this? I got no idea, but it could theorize all day, but she's not giving any clues. She's just like it tells time I plan to say If Humanity it's going to go off. We know it's going to go off when it goes off. I think the Backstreet Boys are going to come out. Yeah, I that's the one thing. It's like the a city streets back all Riley D. True. Okay. I don't know what's going to happen by things can have something to do with dr. Manhattan. Big Time, thank you for that vague predictions. Thank you for that very big prediction because we learned a lot of things have to do with dr. Mann except for the Manhattan boots that we've been getting these phone calls on and they seemed to be going nowhere Manhattan is no longer on Mars. We know this lady true knows this. We also know that he does not listen to the calls, right? And we also know specifically the Manhattan booths basically go know where they go into what I could only assume is a type of development where she's getting these profiles on people just based on what they're calling and praying about dr. Manhattan, which I think I mean that's the thing is now knowing that she like earlier. We theorize that maybe she does have some Connection in Manhattan and that's why she's operating these booths, but obviously she's just operating the Boost because it's a smart business. Decision, I guess Mark Zuckerberg is so jealous right now. I mean talk about Gathering data. We don't really know what it's for, but I do think it's going to factor into whatever her Millennium Clan is yeah and answers why save Humanity save Humanity answers why that car dropped when a lorry Blake left a message at the end of the episode mean that we know she has those helicopters and everything so clearly she heard that and played into that Joe. I don't know if it's clearly it's definitely wasn't Manhattan. Well, I actually don't really got the Manhattan. It wasn't Manhattan. It wasn't for him. But I don't know about clearly simply because the car was dropped for Angela Angela was there as well? Okay, so just because they were different parts of the same location and think she was a huge drop on that phone call timing was great. But Angela that was Angela's car. It wasn't a brick but also played for Lori's joke. It did coincidence timing that I don't think that is Destiny, but I will say something about Lori Blake agent Blake like lady true who was very aware of many things agent Blake went in to meet. With Jude and new a lot of details. Oh, yeah. Yes too many details. Actually. She knew way too many details as she went in to talk to Jane Crawford and she woke up and Jan Crawford came off. Really I don't is that supposed to mean something and then went straight to push in the button? Yeah, but in that tree amazing bed and I love how they did they did. Just like kind of move on from that and they go back to who has a trapdoor in their living room. So awesome. Yeah, it played into a Trope. We see in like James Bond movies where the villain kind of just reveals everything but immediately presses like some button. I really loved that old. But this time the villain didn't agent Blake revealed everything and Jane transfer not for literally once twice by the third time. She's like, yeah, the king does he basically being design team does Try to lay out the plan like you just like you said like it references the comic book itself because in the end I was he says like I'm not going to sit here and explain to you. Like you think I would tell you about a bond villain. Yeah, he says like I'm not you know, so now seeing this juxtaposed with the trapdoor Keen explaining the plan and also her specifically saying that who has a trapdoor to me this screams 7th Cavalry are that Bond villain which means their plans going to fail. I think something's still gonna In front of it, but I think their plans going to fail which makes me think the real bad guy has to be lady true and Reeves. And so whatever they're up to this whole saving Humanity thing now, I'm like everyone who tries to save Humanity condemns him Humanity the path to hell is paved with good intentions when it comes to agent Blake. Were you surprised that agent Blake was able to make so many connections with so few Clues? No few. I think she had quite a bit of Clues especially just she's putting it all together. Her with she's listening to every phone call all these conversations. She became aware of Cyclops after talking with Angela and hearing her talk in your sleep. And I think yeah just to learning about the the white robe and Don Johnson's closet or Joan Crawford's closet. I think that that makes a lot of sense. So I really it just shows how great of detective she is. I didn't think any of it was too far-fetched. I think she had just the right amount of Clues and putting it all together there with Keen. I thought the Telling lion was him saying like we're not white supremacist. We just want to restore things back to the way they were it's too hard to be a white man in America. It was just so oh my gosh, you can show you could feel and sympathize with that Rhino. My question for you is yeah boy. My question for you is okay is the 7th Cavalry plan. What is their overall plan? I think it's to convert as many people as possible. Just like they did with Looking Glass. He says he says the plan the plan is to turn them into dr. Manhattan. So Italy thur Jeske are as many as I can. So I'm guessing the plan is to use those type of portal things to try and capture. Dr. Manhattan. It was a big lion turned him into I just don't buy that they're on the same side, you know think that leads through might be using them. To make them think we're gonna get diamonds power and but she has another agenda. I definitely know I mean everything's possible until I until we know for sure that it's not it's that I mean, it's definitely possible. She they do have the tech but I think that the octopus is really running everything this year. But this whole time octopus has been in the ocean. I mean the octopus is psychic could join people's mind so we are not sure what the 7th Calvary plan is. But we're assuming it's to convert people into dr. Manhattan. Yeah. Well, he says that's the plan B blue. That's what they want to do. Yeah, but we don't know exactly the extent and what they're going to do with it. Once it happens. They want to restore this balance to White America make America great again, that's why you yeah my thing. That's what his goal is making white America great again great again. So we get that and we get the 7th Cavalry. Or at least what we think is their plan, right? We get lady true and what we don't know is her plan or why they all tie in together. How does Adrian's trial tie in to any of this? This was the most it's funny we get these little excerpts every episode and this was the weirdest want it just didn't really it was one scene and it was the trial and I thought it was funny the fart. Like, how does he play? I think what was interesting this time around was there wasn't really a major passage of time. So it they say that this is the 360 fifth day of the trial. Yeah. We're in the past. We have theorized that you know, it was just like a few years behind and now it's like I think we're really not even on the same. Oh, yeah, they're on we have no idea when this is taking place. Yeah, like this could have been a decade ago. Like we really don't know how long ago this is in relation to Tulsa so that's what was kind of running through my mind. I thought we were really entering like a meet-up point and I am now convinced that that's not the case. I don't think that they're going to intersect. Yep. That's what I thought as soon as we saw the second cake. I had a feeling that we're seeing him on a separate timeline and then at some point he's going to just be in the rest of the story and it'll be like, oh cool. Now we know how you got here. The thing about the cake is like they've said lines like he went missing what I think was three or four years ago, and now we past that many years. So I just don't think I'm not even convinced. I was convinced with the case that they were going to intersect. I'm just not now. Because so much time has passed and I it looks like he's sentenced. He's sendin see I'm not going to do this. You have to remember he has a lot of time there's a lot of time for him to if there's a ton of time within so even though like he the newspaper clipping says he went missing in 2012. Right? Right. So if each episode has been a year that's seven years. So if he clinical intersect, I still think I think this is the last year the way the way this scene to me is in Incredibly interesting because there's a lot of deep metaphors and analogies that are going on. But overall in its hole is just kind of silly and seems nonsensical. So if you're not looking really deep at it like the pigs which are like a utilitarian metaphor and like there's a lot of things just like the 365 dialogue thing like yeah. Yeah, of course, he stands up and farts because he's been on trial for three he's been on trial for a year. So to me, I read that scene as he's waiting for whoever got his message from the satellite it takes however long it takes to get to Europa. He's just in during this trial because that's just what it is. He doesn't have a choice a ton of people in the chatter theorizing that that statue and Lady Drew's property is him. They've cut two times two times. I have cut literally straight to it from him and he's currently wearing that outfit and he looks just like that. It's completely I get to the point where it seemed and always like he was Pro side exactly. Yeah, but I dont think hes inside right now not to say that when he gets saved and crash-landed that maybe he got stuck in that on the way or something or I don't know. I don't know but he might be in there. He could be that statue. Well one thing we do know. Is that cow is dr. Manhattan Cal is dr. Manhattan huge reveal huge plot twist great to see happen. If you shake your head like that. Again Nate we're gonna have to fight. I was just saying, dr. And dr. Manhattan is cow just because we predicted it doesn't mean but also Cal is dr. Manhattan. Yes, the cows not really anything cow is a shell cow is an amazing husband an amazing father. He's too perfect. He was always he was To perfect it was too good. I really this that he had to have some kind of flaw. The car crash was not real. He does not have complete Amnesia very rare, by the way, except in soap operas. I love that. They threw that in there. It was great. But yeah, let's unpack that a little bit. So it sounded like he so he had Amnesia. He wasn't fully aware when Angeles taking the hammer to his head. She is trying to convince. What we think is Cal she breaks something out of cow. She breaks out this ring. The it's very similar to the the atom represented. It looks like his logo. Dr. Manhattan's forehead. What is that ring Tulsa 7 and inhibitor, I guess maybe made us tachyons to to kind of keep him from being himself so he can pretend to be a cow. That's what I would guess. It seems like we're going to get some type of thing next week where he talked to Manhattan likes girls. We know that I mean, he's always like girls he does. He does a human thing about him. In a way. Yeah, no really is. Yeah. I'm really curious to see what Damon has come up with as to the reason why it's played out this way. I actually think it's because being human is the most unique experience in the cosmos it I think also generally just like he's really fucking sad in the books like the all this knowledge of flat time and like the way things are and the way things are made and like yes, it doesn't make him happy. But it several times the relationships that they keep them human. My big thing is this like I know we were joking about these predictions and I did we call it or not. I think this is one of the biggest twists in TV of this decade like the amount of people that did not see this coming social media was all over this people were always in the songs Nate and I everyone else was very shocked because a lot of twists. Okay. There was a lot of Clues a lot. There were a lot of Clues I don't you He's got a dildo is called Excalibur expects employee table a bar. Let's let's also not forget how Lori it was right there saying your husband so hot and that's that's uh comparison to talk correct in the car. Yeah. It's really great and they're all they're all they're all closed. That's how we predicted it to begin with. Let's get our special segment buy or sell this is the segment where there's an aspect of show that Either buying wow, that was so awesome or selling man. I think that could have been better. I'll go first. I am selling that heart attack man. What a convenient heart attack where hey, I'm your grandchildren. Nothing convenient for Grandma. June is not Camille SLI. I just fasten your seatbelt. Honey goes around the car and we just see her drop like a fly in the rearview mirror. What are you buying I am but I'm buying this ultimate twist. I think this is the biggest twist and TV of the decade. This was huge Nate Mueller. I'm not buying that Keen just gives his whole plan up and like a super villain and uses trapdoors. I am selling two things. I'm selling the tutorial injection from the memory place. That was some bullshit if they're if you could just introduce people out of Consciousness and bike project images into their brain and then wake them at like that would be that would be the show would be about because that's really that's really strong, too. I don't even remember but Over now. Okay. Well, I'm buying the elephant nice. I thought that was great. That was really smart the trunk. I am and I'm selling I'm selling Angela not being affected by this orphanage where she was just calm. I think she should have been way more excited. The grandma was here to take her home like she should have been like Grandma. They got me cleaning the floor, please. Thank me. I'm selling also our Graham oddly calm when she passed when she died just like I could see her being calm at this point. She's seen her parents get blown up amongst the group of people. So I understand that sentiment. However, I just feel like she should have been a little more excited. I remembered I'm selling the Manhattan Globe. It just it just happens to play conveniently the clip at the right time like there's how do you interface with this thing? How many memories is it saved? You just press Tulsa and then like and it just starts playing. Gossip, shall we AfterBuzz TV news? So we have a couple pieces isn't gossip. The first one is actually one of my favorite is which we realize that Watchman is a TV ratings hit because of word-of-mouth variety actually reports on this explaining the situation where people are going out of their way to give Watchman low ratings. Mmm on Rotten Tomatoes sites and critics sites and yet it's still a huge hit because of course People have been talking. Yes, the streets are talking and making it extremely popular. And that is one of the huge reasons why 1.2 million viewers tuned in as it was played live. Let alone at streaming numbers. We did it y'all live plus same day ratings are and the top premieres of HBO. We that's always great and other news CBR.com are good friends there did an entire article where Watchman reveals the secret link between Batman and sister night. You're going to want to watch this has a you're going to want to read this as a lot of good spoilers. But if you've been watching a show you're up to date and it explains how Batman and sister night are actually connected and that is a great read especially after this week's episode. So make sure to check that out. Let's get into some predictions. Shall we? Yes as your AfterBuzz TV prediction Nate Mueller and I have a couple predictions Nate. Would you like to let them know how all right? Here we go. It's pink lady true bought everyone in the town TVs and the Millennium clock is going to do something with the Mind Control technology that will had via the TVs that are now in the whole town to do something to the people. I don't know I'm safe Humane something with trauma and memories maybe the wishes to dr. Manhattan come into play. I'm not sure how that would happen. But yeah, she's up to something bad and it's going to be through that it probably I'm guessing it's going to be part of the American hero story thing like when the finale airs because it's been like in show. It's a big hit people like it. So I think something to do that nice. That's what we think Ryan. What do you think I predict the clock is going to go off and it is going to turn everyone blue blue died. I've seen I moved out. Hey, that's all we have for our show this week. However, we have much more where can people find you if you want to be found Nate Mueller, you can find me and all the right predictions that dog like Nate and Ryan. Elsa and you can find me a try Nelson and IL SE n and at Ryan Nelson underscore on Instagram. Thank you so much for everyone in the chat hundred fifty people in the chat. Please hit that like button will get 25 likes. There's a hundred fifty people in the chat hit that like button go on iTunes. Give us a review. I read your review on their next week. 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Join Ryan Nilsen, Tehran Von Ghasri, and Nate Miller break down episode 7 where: Lady Trieu continues to treat Angela for removing the Nostalgia from her body. Angela starts experiencing her own childhood memories in Vietnam atop Will's. When awake, Angela finds herself connected to a long tube that enters a locked room that she believes Will is in. After Bian gives a strange psychological test to Angela, Trieu explains Bian is a clone of her mother, and she has been providing memories to her. With Trieu preparing to activate the Millennium Clock within hours, Angela breaks into the locked room, only to find her tube connect to an unconscious elephant. She rips out her tube and takes an elevator to a higher floor to find a globe device that plays back the messages that people had left at the Manhattan booths. Trieu enters, explaining that she has heard these, and confirms Doctor Manhattan is not on Mars, but actually in Tulsa disguised as a human. Trieu is aware of a Kavalry plot to capture and destroy Manhattan so that they can become like him, and her activation of the Clock within the hour will save humanity. Angela storms out and escapes the facility. Cal finds her at home rummaging for a hammer. Angela tells him that she has always loved him as a husband, but now, calling him "Jon", that they are in trouble, and proceeds to bash his head in. She extracts a small disk from his head, and watches as a blue glow comes from Cal's body. Petey reports to Laurie that he cannot find Wade, but discovered several Kavalry bodies in his shelter. Laurie learns from Angela's ramblings while on Nostalgia about Judd's connection to the Kavalry and goes to visit Jane. Too late Laurie realizes Jane is working with the Kavalry, and becomes trapped. Laurie is taken to the Kavalry headquarters, where Joe shows her a cage-like device as part of their plan to bring Manhattan to them as a means to become godlike themselves. In the manor, Veidt has been on trial for 365 days by the Game Warden for his crimes, not only due to the squid attack but for killing numerous Phillips and Crookshanks. Veidt is given a chance to present his case, but he simply passes flatus in response. The Game Warden determines Veidt's verdict is to be judged by a pack of feral pigs, his "peers", who declare him guilty. The doomsday clock draws nearer. Everything Begins. Nothing Ever Ends. Who watches the Watchmen? Join us for THE WATCHMEN AFTERBUZZ TV AFTER SHOW PODCAST as every single week, we'll be here discussing HBO's adaptation of the world famous graphic novel of the same name. From comic history knowledge to topical discussion on the largely divisive subjects the show covers, we'll be here breaking it down. Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with all things HBO's Watchmen. ABOUT Watchmen: "Watchmen takes place in an alternative, contemporary reality in the United States, in which masked vigilantes became outlawed due to their violent methods. Despite this, some gather around in order to start a revolution while others are out to stop it before it is too late, as a greater question rises above them all; who watches the Watchmen?"

Welcome to 1000 the podcast by train like a gymnast. I'm your host Daniel gray 1000 brings together gymnasts former gymnast coaches judges and gymnastics enthusiasts to tell Vin to deep conversations about Behavior mental state physical training personal growth success and more all learned through the sport of gymnastics. Here's what you can expect on today's episode today. We hear from certified clinical nutritionist bottom baits about the correlation between your nutrition and your anxiety and mental health. I think it's kind of sad because a lot of peopleYou know, we think that that's normal to feel anxious all the time. We think that it's normal to have panic attacks because in social media, we all joke about. Oh, I'm so anxious and panicking and whatever like it's become so normal that it's people think it's normal, but the easiest first place to start is just cutting out any type of processed sugar at least while you're in the healing process. I mean, that's just going to trigger that state of fight or flight. In fact, the reason why it does that is because you know when you You have a rush to Sugar Rush of processed carbohydrates. It causes a really severe spike in your blood glucose level and then also a severe drop so it's a spike in fall. And when you have that fall that falls called hypoglycemia and that has the same exact feelings and symptoms as an anxiety attack. So it can trigger those feelings of anxiety attack. So just eliminating that alone is one of the best first steps, but first a word from our sponsor If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free first of all, so there's that then there's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Like I'm doing right now anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many other platforms. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. This was really a game changer for me in the beginning and it's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. So download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Hi. My name is Autumn and I'm a certified clinical nutritionist. I have my masters in nutrition and Human Performance. My bachelor's nutrition dietetics. I just love food and love how much it can impact lives when used correctly. Yeah. Absolutely. I love that. That's that's kind of where we're going to take this conversation today. So for you and let's get into movement how What's your favorite way to stay active and train and you know stay on top of your health and fitness. It's been quite a journey all over the back the first time I really I mean I was a an athlete growing up when you know, I did volleyball and basketball and soccer and swim team and and all of that and then senior year of high school is when I really started to focus more on training and I trained for my first triathlon and then from there. I really got into the whole trap on long-distance lifestyle. I did that. Throughout College even was part of Earth a brief stint part of the ECF speed Triathlon team and and then now more foot. I mean I went through lifting stage once you're just a bunch of different things. But what I found is really important just to always try new things and whatever it is. It's going to make me happy and just if it's not make me happy anymore than Moving on but definitely an emphasis on walking now after all of that. Yes, so At that point you say you focus more on training Senior High School. What was your kind of I guess experience nutrition-wise, you know as a teenager moving into like, oh now like kind of food is important and then making it one of your top priorities in your life were those phases. Yeah. I've always had sort of an esoteric view on food in general just where I always loved food not necessarily for the health component, you know when I was younger, but but I have memories when I was in like sixth grade and like saving up money that my parents would give me in walking down to the Von's down the street and just spending a long time. I mean bonds not even like a nice but spending a lot of time going through and just figuring out what it is. I want to make and what I could create so I was just love food from the start, but then it wasn't until my senior year of high school when I was getting more into training and when I started to notice a difference How I could feel based off of Just exercise. I was like, okay, well exercise gonna have this impact. What impact can you know the food that I physically put in my body every single day have I always grew up with my you know, my dad's chiropractor. So I always had this more natural approach to health anyway, and then and then during that time in high school when I was experiencing a lot of anxiety for the first time or at least really understanding that it was anxiety. So I wanted to see how I could heal my somebody just threw the foods that I was putting in my body every day, right and when you have anxiety most people think like what are the different ways I can help with this meditation therapy and all of that. So how did you make the connection of well, maybe I should look at my nutrition to try and fix my anxiety in the first is probably what most people will associate with anxiety and that's caffeine. So the first thing you know, I was like, okay. Well maybe caffeine is making me feel really anxious. Because you know, it's that same type of feeling we have you have too much caffeine that you can feel really shaky and a lot of the same feelings that you get when you feel anxious. I mean, I learned later down the line that it wasn't necessarily the talking but that was where I first really made the association between oh okay food can have an impact on my mental state as well. And then I really started just you know research time not this time. I was in college and I was learning biochemistry organic chemistry physiology and I was like, okay, we will Des the stuff will have an impact on how I feel if it gets broken down to his chemical nature that actually has a physical response on the body and that is gorgeous Ponce was a mental responses. Well, I think a lot of people don't realize that the physical is connected to mental because the mental is a physical reaction within the body that is where really all tied in for me and and then I really started to get into the field of nutrition psychology and that's a big huge booming field and it's something that I get to work on with a lot of my clients and myself which is amazing. But yeah, it's been What's cool about I think Health and Wellness in general is that it's never just a light bulb moment and everything falls into place. It's like you start to you know, build upon your knowledge and built upon what you know, yeah and experimentation. That's a bit. Yeah. This doesn't work. Okay, we'll try something else and then you notice like little parts of it that works. So you just tweak it and a lot of people I feel are looking for that quick fix and trying to figure out. Oh, well this work for this person that's going to work for me, but it's not like that at all. Yeah, and not only that it's also Also keeping be kind of you know up a little upsetting for me when I see other people who have tried one thing and maybe that one thing wasn't the best advice, you know, someone who didn't have all of the understanding how the Body Works gave them advisor ago. Well food can heal you just do this, but it's completely the wrong advice and then they have this bad taste in their mouth of okay. Well then I can't hear myself actually doesn't work. And so it's unfortunate because I think a lot of people experience that because they do go to you know, you just look so much stuff. So I talked about this in my workshop. There's so much information but not a lot of knowledge. Yeah. Yeah, and it's you know, they that's why you do what you do because you know normal people who have regular jobs or this is their focus like they are not spending their time doing this research. So that's why it's important to go to people who study this and this is what they know live and breathe. So if you get frustrated that you can't figure it out by yourself, that's not that's not the end of the world. That's not a problem. That's to be expected. So, can you share do you have a personal experience where you did notice your mental state shift? So you started using you know nutrition to help things. Aya tea. Was there a time where you really realized? Like? Okay, this is working. Was there a point in time there? I think that same thing with a lot of my clients people don't realize something's working until they stop doing it and they realize that they aren't feeling good that happened to me definitely because you know, we're We throughout College. I was like the weird kid. I didn't really party. You know, I I mean in the first half. Yeah, but the second half I really didn't I just it didn't make me feel good. That's when I first noticed. Okay alcohol does not make me feel great, especially in excessive amounts. So I would spend my time like making homemade food and really feeling my body, right? And and so I was feeling pretty great. My anxiety was going down and then after that I traveled for you know after I Dated I traveled for about two months in Europe. And I mean when you're traveling at a young age you're on a budget and so you're eating very budgeting Foods, right? It's all just junk and nothing good and just super high sugar super processed. You're always on the goes you're eating whatever's you know, oh my gosh. I used to love the free food. They'd give you an airplane. Sounds like you don't pay for anything and it'd be like a disgusting like ham croissant sandwich and I mean like, I would eat it because I didn't have the money to reject it. But you know with that build upon each other for two months. I was definitely like during that time not feeling good, but it didn't really set in until I got home. It was the day that I got home. And I you know, I was Go-Go the whole time so I don't think my mind had time to catch up as well. So then when I got home and I was able to just relax it's like all of that compounding effect of that high sugar high fighter. Flight response type of foods. Yeah all set in set in and I had the worst panic attack of my life where I was out at that dinner with my family and I physically felt it's really hard to explain in a panic attack unless someone's experience it but you just feel bolts sound goes off, but you don't have control of your body and it's like your heart is racing but at the same time you also feel like it's stopping you feel like you're just dying and you have no logical reason to think that you did it. You have for some reason died on your mind. You're like I'm going to die right now and and that lasted about two hours. And so I completely sort of blacked out after that. I don't have a lot of memories from that just the feeling of being like whoa, like this is going to be the last ones that I've ever see like that intense feeling of this is the end and then once I came to the next day really because it's like, you know, I don't remember anything else from mate. Remember the next day being like that is not living that is not how we're supposed to live and feel like I need to go back to feeling good because that is just that surviving barely that's not even surviving and I think it's kind of sad because a lot of people, you know, we think that that's normal to feel anxious all the time. We think that it's normal to have panic attacks because in social media, we all joke about. Oh, I'm so anxious and panicking and whatever like it's become so normal that it's people think Yeah, it's done. Definitely not so in I mean I've had panic attacks as well and spiraling and all of that but every person feels it different to so when when you say you feel like, you know, your quote-unquote dying in what sense of that did you mean? Like you physically felt like your body was dying or you felt like every like your mind and the experiences that were happening around you. We're going to cause you it's that's the crazy thing and it's really hard to explain unless you've been at that point, but it just it's like, you know deep down that this is the end like that. I'm it's like a sense of overwhelming Panic where it's it's so consuming that you have no logical response to it. But you just know that you're going to die and I mean obviously like you can have someone logically who has never experienced Panic die. Talking to you be like, you're fine. You're not going to die, but it doesn't it doesn't register because it's you responding to your body. You're in that extreme state of fighter flight where you don't have any other option but to think like that at least in them, right, right, you only got out of that by like going to sleep and waking up. Like, how did you how are you able to fall asleep that night? Do you remember that? And well, thankfully, you know, it's my some other family members of mine experience it as well. They've been able to handle it especially lately with a lot of the strategies that I have learned and developed. But at the I mean again the really best people to talk to you when you're experiencing and paint a car those who have already experienced panic attacks because they know what it feels like, but I remember my dad was there and he'd had paying tax in the past as well. And so he just took me on a walk and was just talking to me. Like just like you're not trying to talk to me about that situation because it's a little thing you want but just talking to me and I don't remember what we talked about. I don't even know if we really talked about much but I know that we're gone for about two hours because the rest of my family was done with dinner and we're already back home. So I don't remember going to bed that night. But you know, I I'm sure it was difficult, but it's crazy. So for I guess transitioning now back into the nutrition side of it for people who are anxious or busy or say they don't have the time to eat healthier do this. And that like, how can they start to I guess work on their nutrition. Is there a particular method that you like or that kind of got you going? I mean what's really interesting about nutrition is that it really is not a one-size-fits-all. Everyone has different food preferences different cultures different needs different goals. So everyone is going to have something totally different but the easiest first place to start is just cutting out any type of process sugar at least while you're in the healing process. I mean, that's just going to trigger that state of fight or flight. In fact, the reason why it does that is because you know, You have a rushed of Sugar Rush of processed carbohydrates. It causes a really severe spike in your blood glucose level and then also a severe drop so it's a spike in fall. And when you have that fall that falls called hypoglycemia and that has the same exact feelings and symptoms as an anxiety attack. So it can trigger those feelings of anxiety attack. So just a limiting that alone is one of the best first steps. I mean, there's so many tools like we talked about intermittent fasting improving Sleep Quality with nutrients. Timing but it that's you know, that's why I work with so many people on that because it is such a more hands-on experience, especially if you're looking to heal something I mean, but if you are looking for more General Health, and that's that's a little easier but really can heal something. It really is a layering process. Just like what we were talking about. You know, it's not just changing Everything at Once because tell an anxious person that they change everything at once in the like kay. Bye. Yeah, absolutely, so you Intermittent fasting what are the benefits of intermittent fasting? I feel like since I since I you know do that method when I when I need to like clean up a little bit or I have my client start off with it, you know, what are the benefits that you have discovered from intermittent fasting hail one really great thing. It does especially when you do it the right way because there are a lot of wrong ways to do it. One thing that it does is it's been proven to help with insulin sensitivity. So influence if your insulin resistant, that's where you can also get, you know, more of those severe space and Falls. So the more insulin sensitive you can be the overall Better Health at you'll have also when it comes to anxiety purposes the more stable blood glucose levels you'll have and if you have those stable blood glucose levels, it doesn't trigger as much of those things idea tax or anxious feelings. And so I mean, I probably about 60 hours worth of intermittent fasting videos on my YouTube channel. And I can rather hold down this but there's there's I mean just to bring it back to talking about mental health purposes. Um biggest thing that I've seen is that it does stabilize that blood glucose level and making more insulin sensitive which really helps to prevent those anxiety feelings. Yeah, absolutely. So, what do you say to the people who you know, they have like a crazy schedule or it's very inconsistent or they just say like I can't go that long. Like they have all these limiting beliefs that stop them from trying it or like they can't figure out the schedule of what to do. How can how can they do it the schedule controller take time? I mean it can take time to depending on each person to figure out what will work for them and not everyone should have the same amount of fasting period and so it totally depends but on the note of what you said on people who feel like they can't go that long. That's actually the biggest sign that somebody should use intermittent fasting because if you can't go I mean even for Hours without eating and that's including eight hours hopefully of sleeping and then that shows that your cells are not very metabolically flexible, which if you don't have metabolic flexibilities, and that's one really easy way to really decrease your energy levels to get brain fog to not be able to tap it back earning. So if you're looking for any type of weight loss as well or athletic goals and that is the first thing that you should be doing, right? And is there a particular our split you like to start people off with when they're getting into it? You know, it depends on the person because it you are more metabolically flexible by Nature where you know, you have been following proper nutrient timing in the past and you don't have very high process carbohydrate intake and you're already getting great sleep. Then you can start off with a longer fasting period first, but if you do have you know standard American diet or you're having high processed carbohydrates all the sugar if you drink sugary Starbucks drinks everyday, you know, like all those things. I'll make it so that Are more metabolically inflexible and that's where you'd want to start off slower. So we would like a 12-hour bathroom beginning just to get used to it, you know, most people especially in America. We aren't even going 12 hours. Right? Right. And so people if you if you try a longer fast and you break it don't punish yourself. Don't feel like you're a failure just bring back your window a little bit and then get the success there and then start chipping away as Your body starts to adapt like all the time was like girls like, oh, I can't I can't do the fast when I gets too long or like I broke it and I feel bad that I did that just adjust that and that's something I talk about a lot with you know, the people utilized my intermittent fasting program. I tell them to make sure that they are actually eating until satiated and following the proper nutrient timing because it shouldn't be difficult after even even for the most metabolic. Let's will person even after a week or two. It really shouldn't be difficult to extend your fast because your body is already being able to fuel itself and have the food it needs in order to stay satiated because that's the biggest problems. So so many people are pairing it with caloric restriction and that's that's just, you know, a recipe for feeling starved. Yeah. Yeah and a lot of girls even in that window. I have experience. They tell me that they can't even get to to like they're kind of recommended calorie amount for the day like like if they have their basal metabolic rate, let's say it's like 1,200 like that's just we'll just use that number like a lot of girls even in those the window that they're eating or eating less than a thousand calories, which is absolutely like a big No-No. You should not be you should not be eating less than a thousand calories per day just to you know, sustain life and be able to function so for people who are Trying the window feel like they can't get enough food in that window, you know, maybe they are busy or they're not allowed to eat at work or anything like that. You talked about eating for satiety like so what are those foods that you recommend that help people feel full or how they can kind of bulk up a meal to make sure that they are getting enough in that window. Yeah. That's a good question. I first want to go back to the calorie thing. So if you know again what I talk about with my people use the intermittent fasting program, I do not recommend counting calories whatsoever. It has been proven time and time again that it actually has no correlation with weight loss really at least long-term. And in fact, there's a study that came out showing The Biggest Loser contestants where you know, they were on yeah the weight loss. What were they did I don't even know like 1,200 calories a day and maybe even less for some days. I'm not sure. But they found that even eight years later or however long later their basal metabolic rate significantly went down and that is why calorie counting does not work long term multiple reasons. First of all, because you can't really ever know for sure. How many calories you're burning second of all it doesn't really matter because your hormones will dictate whether or not you're storing or you're burning so it doesn't really matter. If you are having you know, 1200 verses eighteen hundred if you are in storing mode or if you are in fat burning and then lastly I found that it really does have this psychological effect of increasing stress level and increasing stress level when you are counting calories causes that increase in cortisol, which causes that weight gainer on the belly. So ultimately not only does it not work. It's not accurate but it goes against your goals. So I definitely don't recommend, you know to my people that they ever count calories rather eating until satiated and that's something that can take time to figure out because we Are so used to eating based off of a number and not of off of how our bodies feel so it definitely does take time which is why I do really go over a lot of those strategies inside of the program. But yeah eating using the proper nutrient timing that I discussed in program having the proper Foods at the proper times and making sure that you're not just having these small meals just because you want to try and reduce calories because ultimately that's going to work against your goals. You know, I always show on on my YouTube videos in my Instagram stories and such my salads are bigger than like my head. So exactly exactly so starting to just tap into that knowledge of your body and how it actually feels versus relying on a number to tell you when you should be full and we actually much more accurate with a weirdly enough and relying on those numbers. Yeah and your body sometimes won't even absorb all those nutrients that You're getting like it could just be going straight through you. Like if you're not you're not pairing the right foods with the right, you know micronutrients as well. Like your body's not going to absorb it properly. So totally agree with Aunt with you on that point. So going into now how they can you know, feel satiated like obviously healthy fats are going to sit in your stomach longer take longer to digest and make you feel Fuller for longer. What are your go-to like healthy fats or foods that help you feel full? Yeah, and a lot of the smoothies that I create for the program my I use things like chia seeds and hemp seeds and peanut butter almond butter coconut butter. Those are all really great to load up in the smoothie and just getting a variety of foods really, you know, we're so used to having a lot of the same Foods because it's easy and we're used to it, right But if we stick to us and goods there's actually a huge diverse amount of fats as well that we need to be getting. I mean not technically need to be getting mailing need to be getting to of that's but there are a massive amount of fat that we could be utilizing in order to actually help our body turn off their hunger hormones and if we're just having like, you know, like what if we're just having avocado, you know, like just talk about it, but that's just one really type of fat that we're getting so I just really recommend getting a variety. He of them and making sure that you're having with the right time. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Um, so kind of wrapping up and summarizing and putting this in perspective. You know, what is your I guess 1 to 2. Little nuggets of advice for people who want to get back in shape lose weight feel good like themselves again. Maybe they're a former athlete. Maybe they just like know that they they have potential and they're not they're not maximizing or operating at that level that they could be. What is your advice to them? First of all, stop relying on food companies. I tell you what's healthy, you know, they have a vested interest in you believing that their product is healthy. And that is I have a whole video on the time health foods that aren't actually healthy on my YouTube channel and it's pretty eye-opening when you actually look into what's in these foods that are claiming that they're healthy, but they're actually just destroying your health goals and making you have low energy and just mood swings just all these things that aren't actually going to make me feel good aren't going to serve your goals and definitely is not going to help you tap into operating mechanisms. So just don't put your trust in the food system because they have a vested interest in you buying their stuff and believing that their Also, just making sure that if you are going to use intermittent fasting that you do use it the right way. I mean, I've had I had one friend family friend of mine where she had some hormone imbalance issues. So her nacho cop told her. Hey, you should use intermittent fasting be like, okay great and you know most even naturopaths which are amazing. They just don't necessarily have the time to go over the type of Consulting that is involved in putting together a plan. That will actually fit that person and what they're looking for. So she went to use intermittent fasting and ended up putting her hormones even more out of whack because she just didn't know what she was doing. She just thought it was like, okay. I'm just going to just knock eat for a little bit of amount of time and that's not how it works. You need to make sure that you're also looking at the proper nutrient timing. They really eating it all satiated. They're making sure you're working at the right times of day like there's so many factors that go along with it that it's just you you can't you can't just simplify something. You know, your health is a complex. I'm just like what we're talking about adding on the layers to so I'm just making sure you're doing it right either, you know working with a professional and action knows they're talking about using the intermittent fasting program that I mentioned that really goes over the nutrient timing, but just making sure you're using it right because it is a great tool can be really you well to help to heal your body to help get those fitness goals, but you have to actually do it, right? Yeah. Absolutely. I think that is a great. Great it just with anything like quick easy fix exist exactly. I'm just like I'm sure with you is training. You can't just go out and just run all day and expect to have muscles work. You have to have a plan that is actually tailored to your goals. Just like what you're doing. Right? Right. So the last thing would be we asked us to every guest who comes on in terms of you know, the name of Program. So what does it mean to you to train like a gymnast? What does that mean? Well, I mean I knew you in high school, right? So whenever I would think of you in high school, I'd think of like damn she's strong and you know, I was not very strong in high school. I mean, I'm still pretty wiry I'm working on it, but I think of it as just being strong and being able, you know, like like not just being the Meathead at the gym that's lifting weights, but being able to use your body. In a way, that's not just lifting weights, but you know being active too bright, I love that functional fitness. Exactly Perfect. All right, so then just to sign off go ahead and explain how people can get a hold of you or where they can, you know, ask you questions. Yeah. I am on Instagram at automail nutrition. So autumn and then e LL e underscore nutrition. My website is optimal nutrition.com. I have a YouTube. A Channel with like I mentioned hours and hours worth of footage that you guys can check out with a lot of questions that you probably have also an intermittent fasting answered. So that's you can just search Autumn Bates and I'll pop right up and then yep. That's a I also have a private Facebook group. That's for my a and Peeps are using the intermittent fasting program. So those are my main thanks. Awesome. I love it. Well, if anybody has any questions definitely reach out to her find her on social Um and you know contact and take a look at our programs if you do need extra, you know unique help as well. She's also a wonderful resource for you there. And for those of you who are Los Angeles locals Autumn and I are going to be doing a workshop at Lorna Jane Manhattan Beach on June 22nd at the Saturday. It's kind of early it's 8 a.m. But that's right before the store opens. And if you attend the workshop you also get a discount. Hi, I'm Laura Jean items in the store. 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In today's episode, we discuss the following: The benefits of intermittent fasting and why you should How can busy people commit to Intermittent Fasting when their schedule is inconsistent or they work long hours If there is anyone who should NOT do IF and better alternatives for them How nutrition and mood swings/emotions are correlated Overcoming panic attacks How Autumn's mental state changed when her nutrition changed Autumn's advice to people who want to get fit or feel like their best selves again Autumn's definition of what it means to train like a gymnast Takeaway: How have you noticed your moods affected by your diet? When do you feel your best? How can you learn to make that more consistent? RSVP TO OUR FREE "SWEAT & DE-STRESS" CLASS AT LORNA JANE MANHATTAN BEACH SAT. 6/22 at 8AM Get in Touch with Autumn! Autumn's Website Autumn's Instagram Autumn's YouTube Danielle coaches women to recognize how their beliefs hold them back from doing incredible things. She helps unlock their full potential through gymnastics-based conditioning. See if you have what it takes to Train Like A Gymnast. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello and welcome to Earth medicine podcast your daily medicine for inspired living. My name is Alexia and I am sharing stories motivations and wisdom from Mama Earth and her changemakers. I am so excited. You're here with me today not tuned in and lesson. Welcome Friends, this is another episode of Earth medicine podcast with my dearest teacher Maggie on Sevierville from the Himalayas and I decided to invite her back to the podcast to talk about Mama Earth today, and I have a bunch of burning questions about the Earth herself and been trying to work on different projects that are. And of helping to Earth I thought but then recently my teacher told me that there's no reason to save the Earth. So dearest ma welcome. First of all, welcome Alexia. Thank you, and I'm so glad to speak to your audience again. Hmm. I'm so excited to hear today. And I'm going to dive right into this this very first burning question and the statement that you've told me recently that we don't need to say. Save the Earth. Can you explain to me? Why why is that so A why why do we not have to engage in some kind of you know service in the world to make the world a better place right. Now, the world is kind of burning or the Earth is burning with your doors is dying even so we are all asked to participate in a certain way. Do you think That is our job. Well, then there are two three sentences that you have just spoken and they are quite contradicting and they are not exactly what will have the same answer number one. Why wouldn't why shouldn't we save the Earth number two? Should we not serve the Earth? You know, let me understand and make you understand and answer these two questions. First. Do we not want to save the Earth now? We saw powerful enough to save the Earth. Are we powerful enough to save the Earth? Do we have that power to save the Earth? Are we even aware of the kind of power the Earth herself has she doesn't need any saving she knows how to take care of herself. She knows how to save yourself and when she gets fed up she just opens up and swallows people when she gets fed up. She just creates an earthquake tsunamis hurricanes and everything. She knows how to take care of herself. So we can't say that. The Earth is Earth will save herself now part. Number two question number two. Should we not serve the Earth? Yes, we should be serving us. She is our mother, you know, she is our mother. We should not only serve her will have so much of reverence that we power down and put our head on the ground every day. Give her a kiss give her a hug every day acknowledge that we are tramping on her walking on her every day and serving her becomes our I'm a responsibility as important as we would serve our own biological mother. She is our Cosmic mother and we serve her now here. The question is that people who are in Shallow Waters often make too much noise and people who are in deep Waters do what they have to do, but don't make noise, you know now the entire scenario of broadcasting about saving the Earth to me. It appears to be like a big ego. Go game are we creating so much power around us that we can save the Earth? Hello. Can we pick up the Earth or lift her up or do anything to her? Can you even change for a second the orbiting of the Earth around the Sun? Can you even modify the rotation of the revolution of the earth even for a second do we have that kind of a control? We don't We cannot do anything to save her other than being extremely loving and not too noisy. I'm not very happy with the kind of negative propaganda that goes on all the time with millions of people saying, oh the Earth is dying the Earth is dying. I want to reverse the statement into the Earth is beautiful. The Earth is not dying and at an individual level each one takes the responsibility the commitment the promise And the vow to not abuse her. For those who are abusing the Earth despite all the awareness that is coming around the world for those who are abusing the Earth. She knows how to take care of them. She knows she's a mother she knows how to whack them she knows how to treat them and she knows how to convert them into whatever she desires from your point of view and my point of view our responsibility ends. We're in our limited sir. Girls are friends and foes and friends and family and you know, we create this awareness very lovingly and very softly not where eminently not aggressively not violently not fearfully. The fear vibrations are something that is very scary. When you create fear on a broadcasting media, you know that oh, she's dying. Oh, she's dying these feel vibrations collectively. Lee are more harmful than the actual harm that we do to the Earth so in a way it's brain washing Us in another way into fear interfere, which is of no use the awareness of a Greener healthier Earth is a beautiful thing the awareness of the things that are not good for the Earth is a good thing but to constantly keep hopping upon the destruction aspect is not a very healthy thing. So you think Thing for us Lee causes doesn't really help. Well why not you're donating to your mother. It is certainly helpful. You can donate you can plant trees. You can do everything at an individual level Everybody Must understand that the word donating should not enter into the Eco level of your body when I when I when I give a certain amount of money or certain amount of my energy for the service of Earth, I do it quietly because she's my mother mother do we say a hundred times in the day that oh, I am donating my contribution to my biological mother. Do I say that I just served my mother, you know, so you constantly can be serving mother making her better and better Mother Earth is your mother my mother everyone's mother we serve are quietly this whole this whole show about saving Mother Earth and contributions and donations and all of this is something which is more Like an evil game. I feel personally and the service part is all right, but the propaganda part is not something which is healthy. My question is though in terms of being quiet like when we acquired we're not creating more awareness. I feel like as a spiritual teacher working in the spiritual and healing field. I am you know, it's my responsibility maybe to create more awareness and that means may be speaking about it a little bit more. If you if you are a spiritually evolved person, you will realize the dangers and the the threatening the threatening scenario own mother earth, you will recognize and be aware even without anyone telling you but if a person is unable how much ever you shout and tell him he's not going to be bothered about how damaging is his presence on Earth. So for people who are mature enough To understand the importance of serving and taking care of the earth lovingly will join you when you become a living inspiring example, they will join you, you know, so you can do propaganda of the work that you're doing but not flash dangering signals. I'm repeating when we are flashing and you know amplifying signals of danger to Mother Earth. They are creating Holograms that are scaring the Earth itself. She knows at the end of the game. She knows what to do. If she Shivers a little then the millions of people can Shiva, you know, she knows what to do. I am very confident about this that there is a power in this universe what we call God or what we call Consciousness or what we call the controlling superpower in this universe that keeps the Earth floating in the galaxy and keeps the planets go. Around the orbit. This power knows what to do to save the Earth because the Earth belongs to the power the Earth was created by this power for a certain purpose. It knows what to do with the Earth. It knows how to sustain how to make it survive how to make this entire Maya in the continuing sequence. You know, we are too small Alexia to even think about saving the Earth. We are too small. Let us love her and serve her and the the statement gets over. Read their the moment. We say we want to save the Earth. We are making ourselves bigger than needed. We are not so big. So you're saying that none of the like Texas that because catastrophes the, you know, the fire right now that are all over the world. Even the mass production everything that's happening on such a global level. It's not man-made. It's kind of anyway something that the Earth is doing to eradicate or to kind of lifted. too new what if there if there was a doing aspect if there was a man-made doing aspect? Why can't we just reverse it? Can you reverse anything when when comes Autumn and when the leaf falls from the tree? Can you stick it back? You can't there is a process the process of the leaf falling and the new leaves coming and then flowering and then the friction and then the following again. There are Cycles which are effortlessly flawlessly going on for you know, millions of years. And even if there are changes coming for instance global warming, which you are asking me yesterday the global warming. Well, these are transitions that are coming on the earth for some The power knows man has no capacity to do anything. If it he if he has the capacity to do anything. He would do things that he wants, you know, he could buy country Rivers. He can't reverse the Cycles, you know, so the fires I mean, I have all my sadness in the heart for for the eradication of many people and tribes and you know, all of that is they're bundled up as compassion in my heart, but I know that we are not doing anything man. Kind is not capable of doing anything mankind appears to be doing you see this whole Maya has been designed that in the illusion has been you know casted in such a way that we feel we are doing the good things as well as the bad things. Even the good things all these discoveries all these inventions all these beautiful things that are created on the earth man wants to take credit. We have created this way are not created this this Dispense from eita from another Zone where the universe knows what to dispense to humanity to play. We are like children. He dispenses toys to us every now and then new toys coming in our playground every day to play with similarly the wrong things happening here are a part of a collective happening. We do have a collective causal the Indian tradition talks about a collective causal. We are at a very deep level responsible for this entire scenario and game. I'm that is happening, but it should more thought provoking game and a thought instigating game. So essentially I feel every human being has to consciously create love in the heart remove fear and fear for something like saving the Earth. You can't do it just love her more and more love and more and more. You know. Well when our child is not well do we create a In the newspapers that he's going to die is going to die is going to die. We do the necessary things on the other hand. We say you're going to be all right, baby. You're going to be all right, honey, tomorrow you will go to school. We give him a hug. We give him all the pills needed. We given the medicines were given the right food. We don't create panic panic is wrong thing to do concern. Yes, we should have a concern but with the Widow deeper understanding and certitude the mother earth knows what she has to do to take care of herself. So you're kind of saying that by just focusing on my own sad and uh my own spiritual practice. It is plenty. It's enough for me to serve the Earth. Yes, raise a collective vibration of green earth beautiful healthy singing Earth race Collective vibration sing songs of her glory sing songs of a victory sing songs of health and happiness by vibration would do her good It then raising vibrations of fear, ultimately. She will do what she has to do for sure. But let us fulfill our responsibility of creating Good Vibes. What are you saying about wars than like it because Wars aren't they started by some stupid person that decided he wants to fight and eradicate someone else isn't that something that came out of you know, somebody stupid mind or is that also an agenda of the earth kind of On a bigger scale eradicating people's. Yes. Everybody becomes an instrument. That's my problem with the dish together. Chola bus. Was it wash at Rooms Rajan some Rhythm very very very beautiful. It says take your arms and stopped killing because he was in the war start killing and do your duty know that you cannot kill someone because you Want to kill the person whom you will slave already stands Slade. on the pages of Destiny you understand human beings are not capable of doing anything. If any Mad Hatter wants to take a gun and shoot a thousand people. He also becomes an instrument. He also becomes an instrument from a larger perspective from a broader perspective from God's perspective. Everything is perfect in this world. Why is that an instrument of God? Well, there has to be a black and white balance in this world. Otherwise lopsided civilizations have died. We know that for ages. We have known we know. We know about that plant is we know about many civilizations that Parish they cannot be just one polarity. They have to be two polarities these polarities balance the Earth Energy these polarities eradicate people that will that are not required and you know, somebody was asking me the other day what about good people who innocently get killed in violence scenarios, you know innocent children sometimes good people sometimes I'm sure the souls know where they are. Going individuals get over. You know, I am ma Magan when Morgan goes the soul is not going the soul is going to take another form that will continue the glory of Magan. You get my point the beautiful. Alexia will never die. She will change clothes your soul will continue the glory of Alexia in another form. So people don't die. Nobody dies. It goes on the show goes on and goes on for like millions of years. The souls journey goes on the suffering is there for people who are alive because they are under the grip of Maya. Can we say Maya a little more Maya. Is this hole? You know cast casting of the illusion Consciousness is casted a big illusion. And that is Maya in another separate podcast. We will talk about Maya. Yes. Sure. So you think it's just like all of this fear that the polarity even that, you know man-made things. It's just a big illusion and that we are just moved by a higher power that anyway is guiding us. So it's part of our duty then in a way to Just Surrender to that power in order to find the connection to this power to understand how you know everything in this universe works, maybe our responsibility as we evolve is to understand more and more the cause and effect Theory to understand more and more the power that is controlling this universe and to become more and more lovable loving and surrendering to create vibrations of of and surrender even if a bunch of people do it. It affects the whole there are people who are not capable of loving sadly. Can we look at them as Brethren that as brothers and sisters that require our you no compassion and vibrations. Can we just I mean in a family sometimes you have one kid who just doesn't help anyone and is all the time destroying things and creating so much of chaos, you know, the Father and the and the rest of the children learn how to deal with him, you know, we learn to deal with them. They are like destructive people on Earth, but that does not that does not certainly indicate that we should stop creating positive vibrations and keep engaged the whole day in analyzing these bunch of people who are like notorious, you know, we have to essentially create positive vibrations of Love Harmony. Peace every day. Day, that is think it's sometimes it's very hard for me personally when I think for example about children and children in in Africa also in India that they just grew up in the street or at a very underprivileged or malnourished and also women in certain parts of the world who just don't have any rights or more treated like a commodity, you know, and in a way, I'm trying to wrap my head around how do I you know? For myself and for my own living like what can I do to even be okay with that because when I think about it, I'm not and it makes me angry you have to I you have to have compassion and love for them. You have to have concern for them. Whenever wherever you see children who are underprivileged give them a hug give them love do whatever you can do to make them make their life more, you know, beautiful do all the work, but the very thought of I had to do. And the Very thought of we have to do the do worship is a negative aspect. The dealership is a negative aspect your VIN. Number one, you're not doing anything you're being guided to do something. Number two you have doing is not going to save the Earth. Anyway, you know, so you're making me cry. Now. You have to remove the do worship keep doing whatever you're doing understanding that. I'm living each day as it comes and I am full of Love and full of giving to whoever is coming in front of me. When you go to Africa goes off those children. When you go to India serve those children love those children from your side to everything but stop thinking that you're doing it. So that means I do because I find joy in doing this and because I'm attached to the outcome of my whatever all the people who do service and they call it service and the make a AA of service are actually making their own inner self happy and I'm not critically saying this I'm saying it very lovingly even at a smaller level in my small space when I let's say I have a helper a maid or a help someone who's doing Shiva and today I give her something to pamper her I give her some extra money. I gave her sweet box and then you know it take a deep breath and I sit down and I observe. That this giving has made me happy and and so end of the day if something is not making you happy you will not do it. However, good, it may be for the other person. So the the impetus and the energy behind all your doing is your own happiness. And so if you're doing it for your own happiness why pick on us to it? Why do you claim but I'm serving the world will just do it. I'm making myself happy by serving. That's it. So painful truth and only real one. Tell you how much money I've donated in my life basically to make myself happy that that's what money is for to make you happy. That is what money is what it's the utility item money is not something that will the will go with you after after you die. It's not going to go with your soul money is something that will utilize until you are alive. And utilize it for all good things you donated you've done a very nice thing. It has made you happy. Wonderful. It's worth the happiness is what the happiness at least you did not spend it on a wall travel or a world tour or you did not spend on buying some Wardrobe full of bags or shoes which are just going to be uselessly thrown away here and there you've donated that money. It has given you happiness. Enjoy. That was the purpose how many people have been benefited out of Money is something you shouldn't even count. Let the money flow let the money flow and go. So basically, I mean Collective awareness and Consciousness is rising if more and more people just practice Joy no joy, joyful living or do things out of love without attachment or just give for this just for the sake of living now without yes expecting. In fact all the propaganda about the negative propaganda about the earth dying or the global warming and this and that Instead of that if there is a positive propaganda about how beautiful it is to love making, you know, the Earth Greener and Greener how joyous it is to participate in these activities that make the Earth Greener, you know, if you gave the incentive of love and happiness and joy make such a big propaganda about it probably people will step in and work together, you know to to see the joy that they are getting out of doing whatever they are doing. You know it is it is wrong to do something saying that the others need your service. Nobody needs your service. You need to serve to make yourself happy. Wow. Okay, and what's the difference between you know a collective vibration of people coming together who want to serve the Earth because they think it's dying or people coming together because they just want to sing to the Earth. What? The difference the difference is you know, you have you seen the Hari Krishna movement people. Of course, they have the one of them they have the drum and they're singing and then they're dancing, you know, shervish should be in that Spirit service should be in that Spirit. We have come together to celebrate the Earth and your pockets are full of money. Give that money plant trees. Your pockets are full of money give that money make make beautiful animal sheds. You know use your money sink Dan celebrate and do it and don't try to become so big bad or we are all here to save the Earth. I find that ridiculously hilarious. So we should all pick up instruments and start praying and singing for it for ya. That is a beautiful thing to do sing and pray for housing glories of how even brighter bigger beautiful than she is now and the Miracles that she's going to create in the future the beautiful Humanity that she's going to raise humanity is not raising Mother Earth Mother Earth is Raising Humanity. The equation has to be reversed in our heads. Wow. Yeah, that's a big one much needed one wasn't there something like a story you told me about a village people coming together and singing. Yes, we were I was gonna be I was giving you the example of how Collective Consciousness Works in India. It's a very common thing. It has been picture, you know short and picture in many movies. Also a drought when it comes famine and drought when it comes especially in the western side of India which are bothering the desert area. Just on and Rock area when there is drought and famine people from different Villages come together. You know, they there is like a consecrated Gathering very big Gathering about thousands of people and they all sing. They look up on the on the sky and look up to the sky and they call for the rain the sing and they call for the rain and it rains. Yes, it rains Collective Consciousness collected Vibes collected thoughts create Holograms in The Ether. Now become a reality don't create scary images of Mother Earth. No, I'm seeing movies. I'm saying documentaries. I mean created people are doing their best to make it as scary as possible. You know, you couldn't the intention of these people be, you know, it's also like from a real deep inner you Need to help and because it's also a home when people have this connection to our home is dying. So many people don't even know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not I'm not at all. I'm not I'm not doubtful about the intention. The intentions are very beautiful all those who are engaged in these kind of organizations and these kind of you know, movements Collective Earth movements are having bottom line very beautiful intentions, but the but the way of working is not right. The way of working is not right the outcome is not right and they themselves need to redefine their service in a better way. Hmm. And it starts with personal practice. Yes, certainly without that, you know the awareness unless the awareness is awakened you have to bake in the oven is to understand that what we are doing is something that is being dispensed from a higher power. I'm not doing that to worship is a very dangerous thing for human beings for human evolution. We are not doing anything and do you think in the west we buy? Into that fear a whole lot more because we don't have so much to spiritual connection to even God or something, you know, bigger everything is very rational and systematic in the west and people are you know less and less even believing in God a higher power can't really name what's going on and want to understand it with the brain and also take ownership and responsibility fully for that which is in a way empowering for people. But somehow it's overwhelming. Also, do you think that that situation I where we are is why we are buying into that fear. Yes. I see now that I'm sitting here in Vienna with you and I am walking through the streets of Europe. I'm seeing that people are very systematic very conditioned very logical very diagrammatically perfect, you know, so for such a collective Humanity it is very difficult to understand. The circular aspects of surrender Faith trust into an anchoring into a superpower that I call gone. But a lot of people are I see that are allergic to the word God over here. We can use the word Consciousness or we can use the word the Divine Light, you know the anchoring and faith into the Divine Light is missing. So it's my life. I have to do something about it. I have to save myself I have to serve myself. The III me and myself is gripped, you know in everybody's mind when an individual level. I understand this if I understand this that my life is happening under the Falls of doing there is a beautiful steady and assure process of happening. If one really understands this that whatever I do this moment I'm meant to do and it's a part of The Happening process and not so much of a doing process. We if we want to do that. We would if we were so perfect. We wouldn't do any blunders in our life. You see there would be no blunder there would be no mistakes. And if mankind is in such a level of perfection, why are disasters happening? It's a part of a process. It's a part of the yin and the Yang and the power of the dark and the white, you know, it's a it's a very beautiful process. Once you just participate with love create vibrations because understanding that our thoughts are creating a future. This is for sure. Our thoughts are creating a future when you take the whole universe as a body then we are As of the human body and our cells are vibrating and our every vibrating cell is creating a possibility a probability of the future. So we have to be very conscious about creating positive possibilities not negative possibilities such a beautiful picture. Yeah, and that makes me like wow aware that I am responsible for the polls for certain person in the universe. Yes, that is yes responsible to create a positive vibration. And it starts with one person. That's very beautiful. Thank you very much Ma. Thank you, and I think will conclude our safety Earth podcast here, and I will invite you to come back to speak about my at the next time the great illusion. I would be happy if you rename this as not save the Earth, but love the Earth what a past. I will do. Thank you so much. Lots of love to you and lots of love from Vienna to all of you. Thank you.

For this episode I invited my dearest teacher Maa Gyaan again to speak to me about Mother Earth. Maa shares deep spiritual insight and teachings that question the way of living, connecting and saving the Earth. She talks about Why we don't have to save the Earth Internal vs external Dharma (purpose) the impact of positive vibrations & how collective consciousness works the impact of negative propaganda about the dying Earth  how donations are donations for your own happiness how service for the Earth should be celebration, prayers and joy About Maa Gyaan Suveera: Mystic teacher-healer, a life coach and mentor, Maa Gyaan Suveera is a gifted yogini who lives by the banks of Mother Ganga, on the outskirts of Rishikesh. She is founder of the Ci Plus Meditation technique and the Cosmic Intelligence Evolutionary path. Her blissful joyous journey of over three decades into healing and teaching, has transformed her as a beacon to countless people. Her efforts hold high appreciation from people belonging to various spheres & walks of life. She is extensively engaged in conducting Workshops through India and abroad. Having mastered various applied versions of the healing streams that benefit people, ‘Energy’ is her core pursuit. She offers to teach more than 51 courses on Healing, Wellness, and Meditation. People from all parts of the world come for residential courses, one-on-one learning, individual processes, and take spiritual guidance from her. She conducts retreats which are personalized for an individual’s spiritual growth and complete blossoming. Maa also conducts Training programs for the new age of Humanity. These programs are customized for companies and organizations for grooming the employees, thus positively impacting integrity loyalty and productivity. The three layered pyramid designed for these training programs , offers evolutionary sharing with the middle and senior management levels. She is bringing up the Kirti Hermitage in Rishikesh. This is her home, a herbal sanctuary, where everyone experiences the phenomenol Nature at its best.

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You flail around on your mat and fall over was a big thump. You look up to make sure no one saw you the guy next to you is hiding a smirk. I knew it. Everyone is laughing at me. You avert your gaze after class run out of there and vow to never do yoga again confirmation bias strikes again in the yoga class, you look for instances that confirmed your insecurities. The models were laughing at you. The guy who's smirked when you fell you ignored other instances, that didn't prove your He's basically everyone else in the class who barely took notice of you confirmation bias is the human tendency to seek interpret and remember information that confirms pre-existing beliefs. It is Insidious. It affects every choice you make every single day the things you choose to buy your health who you choose to marry your career your emotions your finances it all happens in the background without you noticing. How does confirmation bias work confirmation bias affects you in three ways number one how you seek information confirmation bias affects how you look at the world around you when you're alone at home feeling lousy you immediately jump onto Facebook or Instagram you look at pictures of people traveling partying getting married and think everyone, you know is living a great life. You say to yourself. I'm such a lonely loser. You sit at home and feel all because you chose to seek information. Shin that confirms your crummy feelings you knew looking at those photos would make you feel worse, but you sought them anyway number two how you interpret the information in front of you confirmation bias also affects how you process. What is otherwise neutral information? It tends to favor your beliefs when you are falling in love. All you senior partner is a beautiful perfect Adonis. You don't notice a single flaw when that relationships hours all of a sudden all you see are flaws. His coffee breath is pension for droning endlessly about a topic you don't care about the hair is he leaves in the sink? You are dating the exact same person, but you perceive the things he or she does differently based on how you feel number three how you remember things even your memories are affected by confirmation bias you interpret and possibly even change memories and facts in your head based on your beliefs in a classic experiment Princeton and Dartmouth students were shown a game between the two schools. At the end Princeton students remembered more fouls committed by Dartmouth and Dartmouth students. Remember more fouls committed by Princeton both groups of students fundamentally believe their school was better. So they tended to remember and recall more instances that show their school and a good light and the opposing School in a bad light. Why am I like this you seek evidence that confirms your beliefs because being wrong feels crummy being wrong means you're not as smart as you thought so you end up seeking information that Confirms what you already know in a famous experiment when participants were presented with evidence counter to their political beliefs areas of their brain associated with physical pain became more active. It's as if being wrong physically hurts, it's easy to accept opposing views when it concerns things you don't care about but you also have deep-seated beliefs that form a core part of your identity like that. You're a kind person that your political views are correct evidence that runs counter to these beliefs. Often causes cognitive dissonance a feeling of immense Stress and Anxiety cognitive dissonance triggers a fight or flight response. You either dig in your heels and double down on your existing beliefs fight or get away from the opposing fact flight your brains primary goal is self-protection, your brains primary goal is self-protection and this applies both physically and psychologically when opposing facts challenge your identity your brain perceives the psychological threat It and protects you as if it was an actual physical threat, there's just too much information to process. It takes tremendous effort to hold opposing hypotheses and try to evaluate evidence for and against each one. So your brain optimizes for the fastest shortcut to a solution. It's too much work to evaluate contradictory information and figure out what's right. It's easier to look for two or three things to support your current view point. So what can I do about it? Number one approach life with curiosity not conviction when you walk into every interaction trying to prove yourself, right? You're going to succumb to confirmation bias researchers study two groups of children in school the first group avoided challenging problems because it came with a high risk of being wrong. The other actively sought them out for the learning opportunity, even though they might be wrong the second group consistently outperformed the first Focus Less on being Right and more on experiencing life with curiosity and wonder when you're willing to be wrong you open yourself up to new insights number to see can understand disagreement understanding various viewpoints can help you refine your perspective according to researchers. You can actually change your deep-seated beliefs the trick surround yourself with a variety of opposing viewpoints. Say you're buying a house and you loved one in particular ask a friend to play Devil's Advocate and proposed reasons for not buying this. House that we can make sure you're seeing more than just your Viewpoint and make a rational decision. Number three think about thinking to fight back against cognitive biases. You need to evaluate your instinctive reactions. The next time you run across facts that completely confirm your worldview. Stop think about the assumptions you're making and look for ways to prove yourself wrong. Say you're a coffee lover. You need your morning Cuppa to properly function when you're browsing your Facebook feed articles touting the benefits. Benefits of coffee you will instantly grab your attention. It's easy to read these articles and go aha that confirms all my life choices the next time you catch yourself doing that try to actively search for information that contradicts what you believe in conclusion confirmation bias is an unavoidable part of how you make decisions. It's an evolutionary trait that colors how you view the world and it's not something you can always overcome, but when you're making big decisions decisions about your health finances love life, You want to mitigate its effects the best you can learning in understanding how confirmation bias Works gives you the opportunity to compensate for its downsides and make more rational decisions. So next time you're going from Crouching fish pose to flying's you Ava don't worry. No one's looking at you. You just listen to The Post titled confirmation bias. Why you make terrible Life Choices by near a all of near and far.com. Don't forget Gusto offers modern easy payroll and benefits to small businesses across the country. They are even named best online payroll by PC mag. Get three months free. When you run your first payroll at Gusto.com old and don't wait. Now's the best time to get set up for 2020. That's Augusto.com / o LD I'll do for today. 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This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. I want to talk to you today about what I think is a relatively way a new way of looking at your experience, but maybe even more broadly than that and new way of looking at reality itself. You all come my to University I supposed to. Make your conceptions of reality more sophisticated. And you want to do that because you have to live in the world and the more sophisticated your conceptions the less likely you'll encounter tragic or harmful circumstances that you will be unable to deal with. It really matters if you know what you're thinking and you know how to think. Over the last 20 years, I would say there's been a revolution in Psychology and the revolution has involved a transformation in the way that we look at the world. And that's what I want to talk to you about today. I entitled this talk reality in the sacred. It's a strange title for a talk to Modern people because we don't really understand what the sacred means unless we live within a worldview. That's essentially. I wouldn't say archaic, but at least traditional for modern free-thinking fundamentally liberal people the idea of the Sacred is anachronistic or if not an acronym istic at least in comprehensible. So I want to start with a story from the Old Testament. There's a scene in the Old Testament when the ancient Hebrews are moving the Ark of the Covenant and the Ark of the Covenant is a device that was manufactured in order to contain the word of God. And there was a rule among the ancient Hebrews, which was you were not to touch the Ark of the Covenant no matter what and there's a story in the Old Testament. Where the bearers of the Ark of the Covenant they used to carry it the bearers of the Ark of the Covenant trip and a man reaches out to steady it and when he touches it God strikes him dead. And modern people look at a story like that. And the first thing they think is that seems a little bit harsh on the part of God given that the man was attempting to do something that he believed was good. But what the story is designed to indicate in my opinion is that there are certain things that you touch at your peril regardless of your intentions. And those things that you touch at your peril regardless of your intentions most cultures regard as sacred as untouchable. I want to make a case for you today that those things exist and also why they exist and why it's necessary for you to know that they exist. I would also say that if you're properly educated in the University, especially with regards to the humanities, which are in some conceptual trouble at the moment what you are what essentially happens to you is that you're introduced in a relatively secular way to the concept of the Sacred you're here in the university to learn about the Eternal values of humankind. And I think that people who tell you that those values do not exist or that they're endlessly debatable. Do you and unbelievable disservice? Now I'm going to tell you first how you think about the world. I think so. This would be a Newtonian view of the world. It's Newtonian and deterministic and it's a worldview that dominated psychology and economics and anthropology and political science. You name it for probably 400 years, but it's coming to a crashing halt in the last 50 years and the consequence of that consequences of that have been manifested in a number of domains the old world. Positions are something like this. The world is made out of objects. When you look at the world, you see the objects there. They are in front of you as a consequence of seeing the objects you think about what to do and after you think about what to do in presence of the objects you act. Now that seems self-evident because when you look at the world, they're the objects are and it appears to you that you see them and then you think about them and then you act. But there's a real problem with that. first problem is use half your brain to see literally human visual cortex is a very large part of your brain. And the reason that the visual cortex is so large is that seeing is as far as we can tell actually impossible. Now the fact that seeing perception is impossible wasn't discovered by psychologist and it wasn't discovered by philosophers. It was discovered by people who working who were working on artificial intelligence and trying to make artificially intelligent machines. The presupposition of the people who are making intelligent machines was the hard part of interacting with the world is figuring out what to do. Once you see the objects, but it turned out that making machines that could see objects was impossible. And the reason for that is that boundaries between objects are not obvious. They're not obvious at all. In fact, it's very difficult to understand how it is that we separate. Ends up at all. Now, let me give you an example. So if you think about yourself when you look in the mirror, you see yourself as an object. You see your eyes. You see your nose. You see your face. You see your body and that's pretty much what you see when you look at other people but that isn't all there is to you. In fact, that's hardly any of what there is to you so you could say for example you exist at the level of the quantum particle. You can't perceive that. In fact people didn't know that until 75 years ago above that level you. that an atomic level and then a molecular level and then you exist at the level of complex organs and then the interactions between those organs and then you and then your family and then the groups that your family belong to and then the ecosystem that the groups of your are that that all your groups belong to and on and so on so on and so forth until what it is that you are can expand to Encompass virtually anything. Now when you look at yourself, you don't see that you see yourself at a certain level of resolution. When you look at the world you see yourself at a certain level of resolution. But all those other levels are equally real and equally relevant and we in fact have very little idea how it is that you're only able to see what you see. Almost nothing has obvious boundaries and this has real-world consequences. It's not something that's merely abstract. The technical term for this problem the problem of how to bind your perceptions to limit them is called the frame problem frame problem was discovered about 40 years ago and the philosopher Daniel Dennett called it the most important philosophical discussion discovery of the last 50 years. The frame problem emerges to cause all sorts of trouble for people. So for example, when Henry Ford invented the automobile, well at least invented the modern procedure of building the automobile what Ford presumed was that he was building an efficient means of transporting people from one place to the other. There were other unintended consequences of Ford's Discovery. So for example Ford happened to be a great supporter of fascism. And the reason that he was a supporter of fascism was because he regarded the fashion fascist political structure as a logical extension of the efficient methods that he'd used to assemble Vehicles. So his mode of production was instantly manifested in a political philosophy furthermore. Now 2009 a hundred years after the invention of the automobile. We've discovered some other things that the car was other than a place to move people from point A to point B. So for example, it turns out that the automobile and the internal combustion engine are among the most effective Technologies ever devised to transform the nature of the atmosphere to heat up the world. Not only that the car is completely transformed the nature of cities and these were all unintended consequences of the fact that the car was More than what people thought it was you can say that about any technological structure. No one knew what TV would do to the news. For example. No one knew what the internet would do to the music industry everything that you interact with is far more complicated than you see. The most ancient ideas we have about the nature of reality make are predicated on a certain presupposition. And the presupposition is this there's two fundamental. Modes of being that characterize reality one is the absolute and a absolute is the sum total of everything. So if you think about things in their most unbounded possible form, if you think of things in their infinite number of potential variations, you can think about that as one pole of reality. It appears classically that people have regarded their encounters with the absolute which is all those multiple levels of being that are beyond your perceptual capacity as equivalent to an encounter with God. Now, you know that in the Islamic religion, it's against the rules to make a Graven image of any sort of Muhammad, right the idea is that you're not supposed to make an image and among the ancient Hebrews. The idea was very similar. The Dow is say that he shouldn't confuse the moon with a finger pointing to the Moon and what all that means is that the absolute is always something that transcends the finite frame that you place around your perceptions. So as soon as you start talking about it representing it making statues of it or idolizing. You lose your connection with the absolute because you've turned it into something that's understandable in concrete part of the wisdom Traditions that the world still maintains make the constant moral precept position that you should always be aware of what it is that transcends both your understanding and your perceptions and you should keep firmly in mind that that exists. Now when people talk about God in the modern world, they tend to think about something that's more that more has more the characteristics of a being and I suppose that's where most of the debate about religious reality comes in. But the idea that there's an absolute that's outside of your perceptual capacity seems to be to be merely a statement of fact, especially given what we know now about the nature of perception that the phenomena always transcends the manner in which you frame it. We've also come to understand that not only does reality have multiple levels of existence. But in order to perceive it you have to stand inside multiple frames. This is a picture of a French city. It's a walled City. Now the walls are there to keep the people in and the walls are there to keep what isn't in the walls out and so you can think about that as a protective structure. Now I want to tell you how it is that you still inhabit a walled City and exactly what that means. So for example, you think about this room and I'm going to tell you how it is that this room allows you to see what it is that you see now when you're interacting with the computer, you actually don't interact with the computer you interact with the keyboard and the screen if the computer crashes then you interact with the computer and you find out as a general rule very annoying because You don't really understand the computer very well and you don't actually see how complex it is until it stops working most of the time when you're interacting with the world, you're doing things with the world. You're interacting with it in a way that produces some consequence that you want. And that means in part that your perceptions are always framed by what you want. And that's actually one of the reason why the world isn't just made out of objects. The world is made out of things you use and things that get in your way. Now you're always applying the frame like that to the world in order to simplify it enough so that you can understand it and you're aided in this process by all sorts of processes. You really don't notice because when you look at the world you think well, there are the objects but there's a thousand things going on before you make that judgment. So we'll look at this room. When you walk in here the room tells you what to do. The reason it tells you what to do is because all the seats are pointed in the same direction. They're all slanted in a particular way when you walk in here and there's other people sitting you can see that all their faces point to the front people's faces Point towards what interests the room is set up to make you face the front the theory behind the room is that the thing that's interesting in the room is happening at the front. It's a theater what's happening at the front is a drama. Right because theater is there to promote and and undergird drama a lectures a dramatic Act. The room tells you what to do. So you don't have to think about what to do. When you come into a room like this you can just do it because the room tells you what to do and then you can think you can sit in here in relative comfort and listen to this lecture. Why can you sit in here in relative Comfort to all the people around you have been relatively carefully selected right as a consequence of analysis of their 12 years in school university has made a determination that they know how to sit down and listen that hypothetically there are intelligent enough to understand the lecture and that they're very unlikely to disrupt the proceedings with any unexpected Outburst of emotion or motivation. Now if anybody broke one of those rules, you can be sure that your eyes would move very rapidly away from me and directly towards the person who is causing the trouble because that would take Center Stage. Now this room is actually supported by a million invisible processes. So for example, while you're sitting in here, you don't have to worry about whether it's raining because there's a roof and you don't have to worry about whether the roof is going to fall in because you make the presumption that the people who built the roof are competent and the electricity works because the electricity is the utility is run by people who are competent. So it's almost always on buildings hardly ever burned down the electricity hardly ever fluctuates. There's thousands of people out there working as hard as they can diligently to make this. Constant enough so that you can ignore all the thousands of things that you're ignoring so you can concentrate well enough to attend to the few things that you are attending to while you're in this room. You're in a walled City, there's multiple walls and those walls protect you from what's outside the walls. You can think about it this way. This is a Taoist image of reality. Now people think about this as a metaphysical symbol. But it's not a metaphysical symbol. It's an unbelievably practical symbol the Taoist believe that the world the reality is made up essentially of Chaos and Order. Chaos is all those things you don't understand. So I would say that chaos is all those things that exist outside of your perceptual preconditions. Order is all the things you do understand and all the places you go where the things that you do produce the results that you intend and the Taoist would say everywhere you go is like that everywhere you go has things that you understand that are orderly and has things that you don't understand that are chaotic and the chaotic things attract your attention because you already understand the orderly things. If something unexpected happened to your nervous system automatically reacts to it and orient's you towards it and sometimes that can be catastrophic. So this is an experience that some of you will have in the next four years. Undoubtedly. There's a number of you that want to go to medical school or to graduate school or to law school. What a business school and a certain percentage of you will take the admission tests. That will determine whether or not you're able to take that path. And a certain percentage of you will score below the 50th percentile on those tests and that will mean you will not be going to those institutions. And when that happens first of all, you'll shake and tremble when you open the envelope to find out your results and second. If you haven't achieved the score that you expected that you will that you achieve your world will fall apart and what that will mean is that you descend from the domain of order into the domain of chaos, and that happens to people all the time. It happens to people win they develop an illness that serious that they can't control because then their body stops becoming something they can predict and starts to become something that they can't predict. It happens to people with their in an intimate relationship and their betrayed the assumed Fidelity and the person tells them that they've had an affair. That's chaos. That means you didn't know who that person was the future you imagine no longer exists. Your perceptions of people are erroneous at some level of analysis that you don't And it's conceivable that you're naive beyond belief and that everything you believed about yourself and other people up to that point is false. And when a revelation occurs that knocks out one of the walls that supports you and you descend accidentally into chaos, you'll regard that as one of the worst experiences of your life. When that happens to you your brain knows exactly what to do. It stops thinking about the future. It's stop saving up resources for the future. It puts you in emergency preparation mode so that you're ready to do anything at the drop of a hat because you don't know what to do. So your body prepares to do everything. It shifts your cortisol levels up it activates your left and right cortices your limbic system in your motivational systems are disinhibited turned on and you sweat and you Sweet because the orderly structure that you thought you inhabited that provided you with security and Direction has now disappeared the Taoist believe that the world is always an interplay between Chaos and Order and then if you live your life properly you stand with one foot in order and one foot in chaos, because if you're only an order nothing that's interesting ever happens to you. Nothing is anything but a repeat of all of all the things that you already know. That's the state that fascists desire. Fire because fascist desire things to be exactly the way they are forever. And if you're in a state that's only characterized by chaos, you're at sea or overwhelmed or things have fallen apart for you and there's too much of everything for you to deal with now the Dallas being very wise people know other things as well. They know for example, that chaos can turn into order. That's why there's a white dot in the middle of the black Paisley and they know that order can turn into chaos, which is why there's a black dot in the middle of the white paisley. Dallas believes that a meaningful life the optimally meaningful life is to be found on the border between Chaos and Order and I would say that your nervous system tells you exactly when you are there and it's a kind of place and you can tell when you're there because you're secure enough to be confident but not so secure that you're bored and you're interested enough to be awake but not so interested that you're terrified when you're in a state like that when you find things interesting and meaningful Time Slips by you and you're no longer self. Conscious there's a medieval Christian representation of the nature of reality. On the outside you have the Virgin Mary. Inside the Virgin Mary you have God the father and God the father is supporting a crucifix with an individual on at the individual and Christian. Thinking is Christ. What does this image mean? The walled City divides order from chaos or order from nature. We think about nature as the thing that's outside of what we understand. That's mother nature mother nature gives birth to all things. That's the idea that's expressed in this image. It's the Virgin Mary is standing for mother nature out of Mother Nature arises order and tradition. That's true for primates is like chimpanzees as much as it's true for us any social animals that are grouped together have to form an orderly structure that they can have it together that defines their boundaries and their goals because otherwise they fight each other to the death. So in the state of untrammeled nature as Hobbs pointed out it's every man for himself. And without the order that tradition brings there's nothing but chaos and chaos is murderous and unproductive. There's a problem with order. If you look at the history of the 20th century. It's a toss-up whether Mother Nature is being harder on us or whether our governmental Traditions have been harder on us, you know, of course that the dictatorship of Hitler killed six million Jews. a hundred and twenty million people in the Second World War you may not know that the stalinist dictatorships in the Soviet Union killed an estimated 60 million people in internal repression not counting those people who died in the second world war and the internal repression that characterized Mao's communist China killed a hundred million people. And so the problem with tradition is that sometimes it's a wise King and sometimes it's a king that eats its own Sons, which means that although we need tradition to guide us into structure even the manner in which we perceive the world. Our Traditions can become archaic and outdated and cruel and inhuman and as a consequence, they could pose a worse threat to us than chaos itself. Nature or chaos is exactly the same dichotomous structure. The figure on the left is a Medusa a gorgon if you look at them to do so as you probably already know you turned to stone. The reason you turned to stone is because when you look upon nature or chaos without your normal veils it paralyzes you physiologically just like a prey animal like a rabbit is terrified. If it sees a wolf for millions of years human beings were prey animals. We were probably prey animals for large reptiles which accounts for example for the reason that it appears that primates like us are naturally afraid of predatory reptiles. If you're in the presence of something that violates your assumptions of safety, you'll freeze you freeze. So that the thing that might eat you can't see you and that's what turns you to Stone. That's nature and it's terrible aspect and the terrible aspect of nature can freeze everyone and you can be sure and will be seldom taught that you will encounter that at some point in your life. The primary Buddhist dictum is that life is suffering. What does that mean? It means that because your finite and you're surrounded by something. That's absolute in a sense. You're in a battle that you can never win because there's always more of what it is that you're trying to contend with. Then there is with you and worse than that. And it's for this reason that tyrannies can't last is that the thing that you're contending with isn't even static. It keeps changing so that what worked for you yesterday won't necessarily work for you tomorrow. This is an alchemical version of the Taoist yin and yang symbol and basically it says something that's more sophisticated and complex. It says that the world is made up of Chaos and Order things that you can predict and understand and things that you can't predict and can't understand and inside the order of there's some chaos and inside that chaos, there's some order and inside that order there's some chaos and so on and so forth and equally the case for order. You have Mother Nature representation of chaos, sometimes positive sometimes negative. You have a representation of the great father. That's security and tyranny, two things. You'll always have to contend with and finally in this representation. You have a representation of the individual at least a Christian representation of the individual knots Christ, and it's a terrifying representation. It's a remarkable representation because it's not a representation of transcendence. It's a representation. Of suffering and it's a funny kind of representation of suffering because the manner in which the story unfolds is this Christ as the archetypal individual the model for individuals from a psychological or mythological perspective knows that he's limited and knows that he's doomed to both suffering and death in The Garden of Gethsemane the night before his crucifixion. He has an argument with God and the argument basically is do I actually have to do this and the answer is twofold. Well, no, I actually you don't have to accept your suffering but You don't have to voluntarily accept your suffering but there are consequences. If you don't now the Christian story is predicated on the idea that if you voluntarily accept your suffering you can simple taneous Lee transcend it so remarkable philosophy and it's also something that we have very good support for from psychological perspective. So for example, if I'm treating someone who has an anxiety disorder panic disorder who can't go out of their house without their heart rate elevating and without collapsing into a panic-stricken heap without Visiting the emergency Ward every time their heart rate accelerates every time they're in the Subway or every time they're in a mall. So there's so terrified it existence. They can't even get out of their house the way you cure that person is by getting them to voluntarily approach the things that they're afraid of and it turns out that physiologically if I force you to accept a certain kind of challenge, your body will go into emergency preparation mode and you'll become stressed and not stress will cause you physiological damage including brain damage if it's sustained for long enough, but if I present you with the same Challenge and you accepted voluntarily your brain doesn't produce stress hormones and completely different physiological systems kick in and what that means is that people have evolved to modes for dealing with the unknown one is voluntary approach and the other is panic-stricken paralysis and flight. In this representation, you can see that there are crowds of people. Standing in the wings of the open statue looking at the crucified individual. It's very strange thing. But you know, you still see this you still so people doing things like this that they don't notice. I went to a museum in New York and there were a very large number of paintings. They're from the late Renaissance and they were all religiously themed like medieval paintings, except they they featured recognizable individuals and people had come from all over the world to look at those paintings are Valuable paintings, you know, they were painted by Michelangelo or Leonardo DaVinci. And each of them was probably valued for reasons that are very difficult to understand at something approximating hundreds of millions of dollars. The late Renaissance was the first time in human history where human beings dared to presume that sacred images could be given an individual human face and that idea was actually what launched the Enlightenment and launched the development of modern culture the late Renaissance thinkers the artist in particular were the first people to is it that there was some direct relationship between these sacred images and actual people and people come from all over the world to look at these paintings, even though they don't understand what they mean. I want to show you some images that describe how the idea of the suffering individual developed and what that means. The first thing I want to show you is this picture of Saint George and the Dragon now, you know the main street that runs through the university is named after Saint George, right? This is a very old image the oldest story we know which is a Mesopotamian creation myth features a God who confronts a reptilian monster and makes the world as a consequence of the conflict he faces her she's terrifying he cuts her up into pieces. The pieces it makes the world now, the Mesopotamians 5,000 years ago. We're trying to figure out what the nature of individuality was and what the nature of Consciousness was and their presupposition which was dramatized because these people told stories they didn't think the way we think and in explicit philosophical logical meet with philosophical processes. They thought in stories, which is a natural way for people to think they came to the conclusion that the object of their ultimate work. Ship was The God Who confronted the dragon of chaos, cut it into pieces and made the world and that idea has echoed down Through the Ages. It's an idea that human beings have never lost. Now. This idea is very interesting. So you see the castle in the background. We already know what the castle stands for the castle stands for order and it's a multi walled Castle because everyone is protected by multiple walls, but those walls are constantly breached now young people especially modern young people are often very cynical about the Traditions that they inhabit. They're cynical about them because they see the fact that the world is theoretically devolving into some kind of environmental catastrophe and they're cynical because they're still worn because they're still hunger their cynical because often the people who are teaching them the Traditions don't seem to believe in themselves. It's very easy for young people to look at the Traditions that were and to notice the brakes but the truth of the matter is is that throughout human history tradition has always been an anachronistic and out-of-date and what you see in images of Saint George and the Dragon is that the dragons always Breached the walls which means that tradition is always under attack from chaos. Well, of course it is because the future is different than the past but that doesn't mean that the past should be abandoned because if you abandon the past and you knocked down all your walls you fall into a pit of chaos and not classically speaking is indistinguishable e indistinguishable from hell and I can tell you that if you spend long enough in that state you will become bitter and cruel because that's what happens to people who suffer endlessly. Say George is a different kind of individual when the walls come crumbling down as they always do he decides to go out and to confront the dragon now dragons are very strange creatures. As you may have already noted. First of all, they don't exist. Second of all, they have very weird propensities. So for example, they hoard gold and they tend to trap virgins in their Lair which in you also admit is very strange behavior for a reptile. Now the idea behind this is that it's very very complicated. Dear, it's all presented. Pictorially the idea is that the thing that lurks underneath if you look to the right of the picture, you can see that there's a Cave the Cave goes way down into the ground and way down into the ground is the terrifying place. That's underneath everything the dragon crawls out from time to time to threaten the structure of everything that's known say George comes out to confront the dragon voluntarily overcomes it and in this image. rescues the Virgin that the dragon has been Guarding it's a very complicated story. It means that the things that terrify you contain things of value. That's also what the image of the goal that the dragon horns represents. It means something else is well, it means that the individual man who's likely to go out and confront chaos when tradition is crumbling is more likely to find a mate. This is Jonah. Jonah had a very weird experience. He was swallowed by a whale. That's a very strange whale as you as you might well note. It's a medieval whale and of course medieval people didn't really know what whales were and so they were guessing what a whale was and so a whale for a medieval person would have been a big fish would have been a squid it would be in some monstrous thing like a shark that lurks in the Deep because they didn't have to be they weren't able to segregate all those things out biologically. They're their powers of collective observation weren't that good? So the whale for them was what lurks underneath in the darkness, right and Idea with Jonah was that now and then what lurks underneath in the darkest Rises up to swallow you but if your attitude is proper, then you can come back out the other side changed now, that's a story of redemption. So for example, Imagine that you are a were in a bad relationship and maybe you weren't that happy about it. But you know, it was better than no relationship at all. And then the person that you are in a relationship betrayed you and maybe they did that because you actually weren't that happy with the relationship. Anyways, maybe they did that because your little bit naive or maybe they did that because you're a little bit too easy to get along with and how's it going to put a little bit on the boring side? And so when they first leave you it's a catastrophe because your World falls apart, but when your World falls apart your somewhere new as The learn something new in that place. So you might learn for example that you should be a little sharper the next time that you go out with someone or you should be a little bit more careful about picking up on clues that your partner's board with you or that maybe you should stop associating with lying Psychopaths and your life would be a lot more positive and stop thinking that you have the capacity to redeem somebody that is not after redemption in the least and what that means now and then is that when you fall into the belly of a whale and your swallowed up buy something that lurks underneath that you can come out the other side transformed and that's actually how people learn every time you learn something you learn because something you did didn't work and that exposes you to the part of the world that you don't understand every time you're exposed to part of the world that you don't understand you have the possibility of rebuilding the structures that you use to interpret the world. That's often why it's more important to notice that you're wrong than it is to prove that you're right one of the things that you're supposed to. Learning University is precisely that it might be useful to listen to people that annoy you on the off chance that they know something that if they tell you you can use instead of dying. Talking to people who agree with what you say is like walking around in a desert. You already know everything that they say the reason you're associating with them in that situation is so that they never say anything that challenges you because you're afraid that if you go outside of what you understand that you won't be able to tolerate the chaos. But it isn't the case people have an unbelievable capacity to face and overcome things. They don't understand and not only that that's essentially what gives life its meaning. The Buddhists say life is suffering and you think well if that's the case why bother with it and people do ask that question and they ask it in ways that result in their own destruction and worse in the destruction of others. So for example, people who become particularly cruel particularly in a genocide of manner are more than willing. To dispense with as many human beings as they can possibly train their sights on because they're so disgusted by the nature of human limitation that they'd rather eradicated and lots of people become suicidal because they can't bear the conditions of their own existence and suffering is real and it's inescapable. So the question is what you do about it. You notice in your own life and you can do this by watching your own life. I often ask my clients to do this say look watch your life for a week to pretend. You don't know who you are because you don't know who you are at all. What do you understand? Most about yourself are the arbitrary presuppositions that you use to him yourself in? And you act as if those presuppositions are true, so that the revelation of the full nature of your character won't terrify you people hide in their own boxes, and it's not surprising but it's not a good idea because life is too hard to hide in a box. You can't manage it if you do that. If you watch yourself for a week, you'll see certain things. You'll see some of the time that you're resentful and annoyed and those are times when you're either taking advantage of yourself or you're thinking improperly some of the time you'll be bored in which case you're either undisciplined or you're probably pursuing something you don't want to pursue and some of the time you'll actually be engaged in life and the times that you're engaged in life. You won't notice that you're there right there just a distinction between subject and object disappears when you're engaged in something that you find. Meaningful the purpose of life as far as I can tell from studying mythology and from studying psychology for decades is to find a mode of being that so meaningful that the fact that life is suffering is no longer relevant or maybe that it's even acceptable and I would say as well that people know when they're doing that, you know, when you're doing that in part because you're no longer resentful you say cheese I could do this forever. All right, there's a timelessness timelessness that's associated with that state of being from a mythological perspective. That's equivalent. Aunt to brief habitation of the kingdom of God that's the place where you are that's so meaningful that it enables you to Bear the harsh preconditions of life without becoming resentful bitter or cruel and there's nothing that you can pursue in your life that will be half as useful as that Your nervous system being an evolved structure is evolve for a universe that is composed of the interaction between Chaos and Order. Those are the most fundamental constants that we know they transcend the mere perception of objects everywhere you go is Chaos and Order Traditional Chinese doctors going to people's houses to diagnose why it is that someone in that house is suffering and they walk in and they think there's too much order here. I've been in houses like that. That's a house where all the furniture is covered with plastic that's a house where if you put a glass on a wooden table the Mistress of the house runs over with the coaster slips it under immediately and gives you a dirty. Look that's a place where the children never play in the living room. That's a place where the lines in the carpenter vacuum. So precisely that they're actually parallel that's a place where there's so much order that no one can survive because the person who runs the house has a tyrant and that anyone who's sick in that I was sick because they're suffering from an excess of order and then you can walk into a house that's completely different and you can even see this in your own room. If you want everything's in complete disarray. You can't even look at that place. You're sick the moment you cross the threshold because everywhere you look there's parts of untransformed chaos yelling to you do something about this loser. If you walk into your study and you have a stack of papers in the midst of which is buried your homework, you'll notice that you have a very tough time looking at that stack of papers. And the reason for that is that the stack of papers that you are ignoring that's aging and causing you more trouble with each passing day is a portal into order through which chaos is flowing and if you ignore that long enough that chaos will flow through Through that portal and take over your room and then take over your life and you might think well, that's a very strange way of looking at things and I suppose it is but just as an experiment to see whether or not this is true. Try not paying your taxes for 10 years and see what happens. This is an old representation. Right Atlas with the world. Well, it's a representation that says that that's the proper way to live right that the way that you live properly so that you can withstand the nature of your own being is to pick up a load That's Heavy enough so that if you carry it you have some self-respect that's a very weird idea because it's frequently the case that people do everything they can to lighten their load. But the problem with carrying a light load is that then you have nothing that's useful to do and if you have nothing useful. You all you have around you unless you're extremely fortunate and that will only be the case for very short periods of time is meaningless suffering and there's nothing worse for your sold and meaningless suffering. If you look around you see the people that you respect and I don't mean that you think about respecting. I mean the ones that your got your whole being your embodied being tells you to respect you'll see that it's always people who picked up something heavy and are carrying it successful. You think now that's what it means to be a human being. Being and when you see that you can think well perhaps life is worthwhile despite the fact that the essential nature of reality is suffering. There's an old Jewish idea. And ideas that man and go out or in the sense twins. It's a very strange idea, but it seems to hinge on something like this. The classic attributes of God. These are the attributes of the absolute are omniscience omnipotence and omnipresence do anything be anything. Can't translate the other one momentarily. There's a question that goes along with that. What is a being that's characterized by the absolute attributes of God lock? And the answer to that is limitation. That's an unbelievably interesting idea. The reason it's so interesting is because one of the things that modern psychology is increasingly telling us is that without the limitation that a creature like us with the structure of our Consciousness brings to bear on the world. There's no reality that what reality is is an emergent consequence of the interaction between something that's painfully limited like us and whatever the absolute is, which is something that is completely Without Borders. And what that implies in a sense is that without limitation. There's no being with limitation. There's suffering without suffering then there's no being well, you might think well perhaps there should be no being and lots of people act their whole lives in order to see if they can make that a possibility and that's really a luxury we don't have anymore. But the alternative is to presume that being is worth the suffering and to find a motive being that allows you to make that claim in reality and I would say in a sense. That's your existential. Angel Destiny and if you're here at University rather than a trade school Your job is to figure out how to be a human being and that's a much more important job than any specific. Time-limited concrete permit pragmatic plan you have an unlimited possibility for good really individuals are way more powerful than they think they're more powerful for evil, but they're also more powerful for good. These archaic stories that I've been telling you about. They have something to say to you. They say life is uncertain. You'll never know enough and not only that you never can do enough and not only that everything that you stand on is shaky. And then they say but you still have to stand on it. And while you're standing on it. You have to improve it. And that's how life goes on and that's how you live your life. And if you forget those things or if you undermine them you're in the same situation that the unfortunate man was that I told you about in the Old Testament who reached out to touch something. He should have left alone. To the degree that you're human. You have to abide by a certain set of truths. The truth is that I told you about today are as far as I can tell something that's close to a minimal set. There's chaos. There's order you're stuck with both of them and they both have a cost and they both have advantages and your job is to figure out how to serve as the appropriate mediator between the two and you can tell when you're doing that because when you're doing that the Dismal circumstances of your life. manifest themselves to you as eminently acceptable and it's in that situation that you know that you've placed yourself in a position in nature where everything is in Harmony, and that's the place to aim for nice talking to you. The first thing I would say is that if you're dealing with someone who's depressed and they're really depressed. You should try giving them antidepressants because if they die, you can't help them. Okay. So if you're suffering you are obligated in a sense to hold on to whatever rope someone throws you and one of the things I do with my clients all the time, especially if they're really in trouble is to tell them look I don't know exactly what's going to happen help you but don't arbitrarily throw out any possibilities because you might not have that luxury. Antidepressants help a lot of people and there are technical reasons why that's the case. So that's a simple answer. It's not relevant to what I already described except that if you're offered a gift by your society and it works try it. I don't care what your presuppositions are. apart from that lots of the lots of time lots of the time you see people who are suffering with depression, for example, there's a multitude of reasons, but I'll take one common reason you can think about it as associated with the story of Peter Pan Peter Pan is someone who won't grow up right now the problem with Peter Pan is he gets to be king but it's king of Neverland Neverland doesn't exist. So being King of Nothing isn't that helpful? Well, one of the things that you often see with people who suffer from depression, and I'm not making a blanket Even about the cause of depression because there's lots of them is that people who don't have enough order in their life tend to get overwhelmed. So for example, if someone comes into me and cease to see me and they say they're depressed. I always ask them a very standard set of questions. Do you have a job? If you don't have a job, you're really in trouble in our society. First of all, you write a logical rhythms tend to go off the rails right away because there's no reason to go to bed at any particular time and there's no reason to get up and for many people if they don't get up at the same time, they follow up the functioning of their circadian rhythms. And that's enough to make them depressed right off the bat, especially if they start napping during the afternoon. They don't also don't have a purpose people aren't good without a purpose and this isn't this isn't hypothesizing. We absolutely understand the circuitry that underlies positive. We know how it works almost all the positive emotion that any of you are likely to experience in your life will not be a consequence of attaining things. It will be a consequence of seeing that things are working as you proceed towards a goal you value that's completely different and you need to know this because people are often stunned, for example, they finish their PHD thesis and their presupposition is that they're going to be elated for a month and often instead. They're actually depressed and they think what the hell I've been working on this for seven years, and I handed it in Why do now and that's what depresses them right? It's the what do I do now? Well, they're fine. If they enjoyed it pursuing the thing as long as it was working out they get a lot of enthusiasm and excitement out of that because that's how our nervous systems work. Most of your positive emotion is goal pursued emotion, if you take drugs like cocaine or amphetamine the reason they're enjoyable is because they turn on the systems that help you pursue goals. That's why people like them. So if you don't have a job you have no structure. That's not good. Plus you tend not to have a point. So you're Whelmed by chaotic lack of structure and you don't have any positive emotion. Well, do you have any friends? So sometimes you see people who are depressed they have no job. They have no friends. They have no intimate relationship. They have an additional health problem and they have a drug and alcohol problem. My experience has been if you have three of those problems, it's almost impossible to help you. You're so deeply mired in chaos that you can't get out because you make progress on one front and one of the other problems pulls you down. So one of the things I tell people who are depressed is Don't sacrifice your stability get a job. Even if it's not the job. You exactly want get a damn job. You need a job find some friends. Get out in the dating circuit. See if you can establish an intimate relationship put together some of the foundational items that that are like pillars that your life rests on. Well, that's the Practical thing to do. So that's one example with regards to depression. Well, the thing is you don't just launched it on them. You know, you got to negotiate with the person and you also got a teach them to negotiate with themselves. And this is something that's very useful to know, you know, you can tyrannize yourself into doing things but I wouldn't recommend it. What I would recommend it instead is that you ask yourself what you're willing to do. It's a really effective technique. It's like a meditative techniques. So for example, you can get up in the morning you can think. Well, you know, I'd like to have a good day today. So I'd like to go to bed tonight without feeling guilty because I you know didn't do some things I said I was going to do You know, I'd like to have kind of an interesting day to go to fulfill my responsibilities and I want to you know, enjoy the day then you can ask yourself. Well, okay, what would I have to do in order for that to happen that I would do and the probability if you practice this for three or four days is your brain will just tell you will say well, you know, there's that piece of homework that you have done for like three weeks. You should knock that sucker off because it would only take you 10 minutes and you've been avoiding it and torturing yourself to death for you know, like like 72 hours straight. And if you do that, here's a little interesting thing you can do and you know, maybe this is what Obligations, you should clean up and so what you do in a situation like that is you teach the person to negotiate with themselves. So well, let's figure out what your aims are. You got to have some names whatever they are and they might say well, I'm so depressed. I don't have any Ames and then I say well pick the least objectionable of the aims and act it out for a while and see what happens because sometimes you're emotional you're emotional systems are so followed up that you have to pretend you have to act the thing out before you can start to believe it. I mean people always assume they have to believe in then act But that's sometimes that's true in lots of times. It isn't so the trick if you're doing therapeutic work with somebody and you're helping them establish a structure is to find out what they'll do. Now if they want to get better, which is not a given because there are often payoffs for not getting better there. That's basically the payoffs of being a martyr or maybe the payoffs of doing what you're entirely pathological family members want you to do because they actually want you to fail assuming you want to get better. There's usually something you can figure out that would constitute a step towards some sort of concrete goal and my presumption it's a behavioral presumptions fundamentally. Is that small accruing gains that repeat unbelievably powerful so you know in this is another thing to know about in your own life. It's something I learned in part from reading the writings of Alexander solzhenitsyn was a great Russian philosopher and novelist, you know, he said you can look at your life and you can see what isn't right about it. We know you have to do is look and then you can start to Just that and the way you fix it is by noticing what you could in fact fix, you know, people are often trying to fix things. They can't fix which I would not recommend because if you try to fix something you can't text you'll just ruin it. Like you can find all sorts of undergraduates are perfectly willing to restructure the you know, the the international economic system who cannot keep the room clean and there's actually a gap there, you know, which and it's surprising that people don't actually notice. So I would say if you pay attention you can see things that you could fix. If they yell at you, they really do we even know how that happens. Let me let me give you an example because rooms are full of stories and the stories have have effects on you. So here's a classic experiment. So you take two groups undergraduates you bring them into your lab and you give one group on a multiple choice test that has a bunch of words in it that are associated with being old and you give the other group the same multiple choice test except the words are associated with being young. This is independent of the content of the test. It's just descriptions. And then you time the undergraduates as they walk back to the elevators the ones who read the ones who completed the multiple choice tests that had more words associated with aging walk slower back to the elevators and they don't know that and they don't know they're doing it and that that studies been replicated in various forms many many times. You're unbelievably sensitive to the story that your environment is telling you because your environment is not made out of objects. That's just wrong. Your environment is basically made out of something like tools and obstacles. You're a tool using creature your tool perceiving. The things you would like if I take you out of this room and I said well what was in the room you're not going to say, you know random patterns in the carpet because they're they're real or just as good an object as anything else. You're going to say chairs because you can sit on them and you're going to say handrails because you can hold them you can say stairs because you can walk down them. That's what you see and that's what you interact with. And if you pay attention to your environment, which is you by the way extended all of your experiences you it will tell you all the time what you should do. All you have to do is do it, but then you have to decide if you Want to do it one of the things I've noticed about people because I've wondered once I started studying this mythological stories and I got this idea about the fact that life can be meaningful enough to justify its suffering. I thought God that's such a good idea because it's not optimistic exactly. You know, some people tell you what you can be happy. It's like those people are idiots. I'm telling you they're idiots. There's going to be things that come along that flatten you so hard you won't believe it and you're not happy then and so if life is to be happy while in those situations, What are you doing? Why even live but that isn't life isn't to be happy. If you're happy your bloody fortunate and you should enjoy it you should because it's the grace of God, so to speak with regards to to meaning I thought well people know when they're doing something meaningful they can tell so why the hell don't they do meaningful things all the time. It seems obvious you could do it. I mean it's hard, you know, because other people want you to do other things and it's a struggle but everything's a struggle and then I thought well, oh I get it I see. Why it took me about 10 years to figure this out people have a choice choice. Number one, nothing. You do means anything. Well, that's kind of a drag right meaninglessness of life and all that existential angst. You know, that's kind of a pain but the upside of nothing that you do be mean is Meaningful is you don't have to do anything. You've got no responsibilities. Now, you have to suffer because things are meaningless, but that's a small price to pay for being able to be completely useless the alternative the alternative is everything you do. Matters really if you make a mistake, it's a real mistake. If you betray someone you tilt the world a little more sharply towards evil rather than good it matters what you do. Well, if you buy that then you can have a meaningful life, but there's no mucking around. It means responsibility. It means that the decisions you make are important. It means that when you do something wrong, it's wrong. Well. Do you want that? See that's a very hard question because people don't always mean the same thing when they say their own moral compass now, so it here's here's what I mean by that technically part of the way. The reason that you're able to distinguish between right and wrong is because you are a certain kind of biological organism. And then another reason is that your head is full of other people write all the people you've met all the people that you've interacted with. They're all telling you a way to behave that's good in a way. That isn't There are circumstances under which your conscience should fear the duty. You have to your conscience should override the duty you have to social norms, but before you break a rule. Because you think you're going to be doing a good thing you bloody well better make sure you have your head screwed on straight because every time you tell yourself a lie, and every time you act out a falsehood you disturb the pristine Integrity of your nervous system and the reports it will give you about the nature of the world will be distorted as a consequence of that. 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Thanks everybody. Welcome to Twig 61 in this week's episode. We will be covering the following news articles first yd7 row as maybe the worst kpi to optimize towards since CPI, which is from Nebo radovcich has medium page actually Nebo. Did I pronounce your last name? Right? Haha. Yeah you did you did. Okay. I kind of change it to read the Vic because it's easier to pronounce. I can't do everything my name my last name. Yeah that is second article is what comes next after Facebook's video campaigns. Strategy by mobile Dev Namo. The third article is mobile game developers are buying into Rivals instead of selling out by business world. The fourth is the game awards 2019 the 12 biggest announcements by The Verge and finally the Xbox series X is basically a PC by again The Verge on the podcast today. We have myself Joakim are Crest and Adam tougher. In addition. We are joined by a very special guest the Nebo. Network arguably one of the best in the business at UAA and certainly one of the most influential anybo welcome to the podcast. Thanks guys. It's great to be here big fan of what you do and because director of fun great and for those who don't know you could you do a quick intro about who you are what you do? Yeah. I'm currently a network as part of the you a platform used to run marking a network for two and a half years pretty much until a month ago before that. That I used to do user acquisition and machine Zone and Northeast someone, you know top 11 better than the name of the company, but one of the first big mobile device web developers back in 2012-2013, right and just moving on to updates. So for those of you out there who are actually interested in marketing user acquisition coincidentally Nebo John Law from DraftKings, and I started a YouTube segments on the game makers YouTube channel called you a coffee. OCH so please check that out and I actually just finished. Let's go Pikachu this morning and not sure if you guys are playing cards down. Let's go Pikachu. What? Yeah. What are what are you talking about? Why did you even finish it? Why did you even mention it I gave up on following order and that was lying around. You know, one of the yeah, I haven't played her after I have to say I have I may have given up on Fallen order. I might pick it up again over the holiday but not looking good for me. So I finished it. I actually finished it last week for you. Yeah, and the last boss is actually very very good. Yeah, really enjoyed it anybody happen to be playing Black Desert online on mobile at all. That game is just beautiful. It's like it's almost too much. But anyway, I don't think it's going to do all that well, but we'll see but it's cool any other updates. Oh, I got one update on scope lie, so So basically they were mentioned as our no mention. They were awarded dealmakers of the Year by variety basically representing the only video game company on the list huge honor. Now. What I realized at that point was I've been a little bit negligent in my terms of my characterization of an assessment of scope Lee as a whole, you know, I gave a lots of props to Walter for his Charisma and his deal making skills and how handsome he is, but you know what? I absolutely totally forgot about Javier. You know Javier is like Antonio Banderas alongside Tom Cruise man, those two cannot be resisted. You know, it's so so I have I'm apologizing to her Javier who deserves credit to being maybe the second most handsome person in video games and although if I were picking between the two Walter Williams hands down for the most handsome executive and video games. So congratulations on the accolades and the honor from variety magazine for best deal makers of the year. You guys are truly a force to be reckoned with so that's my quick update on scope lie. All right, I guess given that maybe we should go ahead and kick it off with the first article which is why d7r as me be the worst kpi to optimize swords and CPI and so in knee bows medium post. He talks about why a lot of performance marketers today use D7 row as a key metric to optimize. And by optimized against we mean adjusting the you a budgets against any talks about what the limitations are of just using D7 R OS as that key metric but long story short. Some of the issues are that there are different monetization curves and therefore different expected row as Target goals based on different channels platforms. And Gio's for example further. It's not to say that marketers shouldn't use D 7R o ass but that just as a single Metric and without getting Fuller contacts that mistakes can happen. So anyway to get into this further. We thought it'd be great to ask the man himself Nebo from Network we who is here with us as mentioned in the intro. So I thought we could start just by Nebo a having you talk to us a little bit more about the context behind why you wrote the post and some more details behind the limitations behind using D. Seven rows as that sort of God metric for you a budgeting. Yeah. Sure again. Thanks guys. anyway, I'm really glad that the article resonated so well with a lot of you people and you guys as well and if you ignore the then click Beatty headline what is really about it's basically explaining that you a team should never use a single metric the optimized towards and the reason why it's because you always changing and you covered a lot of UI articles in the past that are talking about like whereas Base building and how you know, it's getting easier to do you a but at the same time, you know, the monetization side of things is changing because the uua part is changing as well and what I tried to explain how Royce based bidding algorithms impact molestation curves and why using a single metric is very dangerous because you're early metrics, especially in the case of Facebook Bo or and Google PRS look really good. They're really good at filtering users driving a lot of payers early in the game and making all your metrics look really good. But those users also get bombarded but tons of ads, They turn much much sooner and as a result, your peer attention is lower or long-term care attention is lower. So the article is really about it's a call for all the you a people to look Beyond just these seven Ross. There's a lot of reasons why it's a popular metric. It's easy to understand. It's easy to communicate to management and as well as fears on the team, but at the same time, I believe that that kind of the future you a manager should understand both sides of the coin both the monetization and and the US Side and understand how each one of these things impact the the monetization that pay back window, right? And so in terms of your recommendation or some of the other things that marketers should be looking at instead of D7 Rose. Could you go into that a little bit? Of course, I mean the best thing um, are you a team could do is have you know work closely with a data science team and figure out the predictive LTV models to understand which campaigns which channels are going to pay back sooner the thing we like predicted. Smart predictive models is that they take into account not just for us they take into account session length, Perry tension overall retention where the players are coming from which platform are they playing on so all these different things impact the LTV curves differently. So if you have a really good data science team that wants to work closely with the marketing team. That's great. And then you can you can spend more aggressively knowing that you know, you understand better how the LTV curves will look like and when the money is going to pay back if that's not the case if you are working for a small company that has just like a handful of people or one data scientist for both the game team and the you a team then the recommendation is to to figure out different targets for different channels and different platforms and different Gio's it is a little more manual but at least it ensures that you are spending the money in the best possible way given the set of tools and resources you have it's like a tldr explanation of the Conclusion Adam and Eric. Do you guys have any additional questions here? It sounds like the main issue isn't necessarily D7 rowers, but actually more around the multiplier that happens afterwards, right? Yeah, exactly exactly because just like imagine if it what happened with Facebook video and Google Google theorists is they're really good at converting users to payers because they know who who are the payers and games, you know, we're uploading look-alikes. Google has Google Play data as well and they are they're just sending more of the payers to your game. As a result, you know your early numbers look really good. So if you apply the same multiple to Facebook vo as you're applying to like rewarded video, which is a significantly cheaper channel to acquire users from it. Just you know, it won't come up you won't get the same result and the what what's likely going to happen is that you're expected to pay back window is significantly shorter than what the actual is going to be. So that's why this requires slightly deeper understanding of the ultimate curves look like and and how different optimization models impact the LTV curve. Cool. All right. Well, we will definitely include a link to your medium post as well as the game makers, you know YouTube video where we talk about this in more depth and also just for our audience, please do paying us whether you'd like to see us bring some of that content here on the deconstructor fund podcast. I know some in our audience will some sort of freak out sometimes when we post sort of non p.m. Non-game news design related stuff. But you know, who does that but you like uua is so much a part of the but, you know, generally speaking for us. We feel that there's going to be competitive Advantage by knowing more about this convergence around p.m. & Design and you a so anyway, please let us know in moving on to our next article, which is also uh user acquisition of marketing focused in this one is titled. old what comes next after Facebook's vo campaign strategy by mobile Dev Namo and just to summarize this article video for our audience out there who is not familiar with you a stands for Value optimization is basically a type of advertising campaign strategy that Facebook support where the people you advertise to our targeted based on their value, which generally means the amount of LTV or spend in this is generally speaking the most highly performant and also the most expensive type of campaign strategy out there in his article Eric Seaford first talks about how with vo the way you control costs is actually different. It's basically highest value or men row as return on ad spend. We're highest value means you pay whatever it takes to get the users with the highest defined value and Monroe has means you want to establish a minimum sort of threshold for return on the user after 1 or 7 days and the second Point Eric makes To take the user on a history of Google UAC which is short for Universal app campaigns and basically Google's ad targeting system and the difference here. Is that a lot of the functionality and levers that marketers used to have control of got sucked into the platform with UAC and with UAC marketers just provide parts or components of AD creatives, which Google then uses to dynamically create ads and that generally performed a lot better. Because of all the machine learning technology behind it, but the other part that you have to believe is that Google is working in a sort of benevolent way to provide as much performance as possible, but you're sort of trusting that they are doing the right thing and not just giving you a little bit of performance over your target row a school that you had specified. So Eric then posits that Facebook will likely move in a similar Direction and we'll take automated create a variation. Automated value targeting automated budget targeting and long story short similar to Google UAC will have their system suck up a lot more levers and functionality into the platform. So the unit user benefit here is that there's a lot less for a marketer to do and should allow sort of less sophisticated marketers or smaller players to perform as well as the bigger guys, but the problem also is that there will be less. Transparency or no transparency, you won't be able to tell if Facebook actually gives you the best performance you can actually get or are they just delivering, you know, a hair over what your mineral has settings are so amiibo. I guess the question I have for you is did I characterize that correctly? And then what is your take and sort of the you a communities thinking and take on this stuff? Yeah. This is a great article what Eric is really good at is outlining Trends and explaining really well, like what's the impact of those? The UN this tree and this is one such article. I think there's a few more things that are important to outline here. It's mean whereas doesn't really work in the way advertisers one it to work. Basically you would Facebook products. You always did or not always but in most a lot of cases, you've been significantly higher than what you can actually pay because you're trying to boost delivery and to get more, you know more Impressions. So I think that's one of the problems of mean Rose. It's like you want to to hit on a day 7 of 5% but in a lot of cases you're going to bid one percent or like point one percent or whatever is the lowest possible bit because you're trying to boost delivery and what what happens with vo it turned into like a pay-to-win strategy where like Whoever has more money wins more more Impressions or is able to acquire more payers. So I think that's one of the problems of VO and that's one of the biggest changes in the industry that happened in the last year, which is Fairways now very simple ways. Choir pairs in your game, but at the same time they're very expensive which means that these particular strategies are available only two guys with Deep Pockets or if you're if you're a game that converts really well. If you're a new type of content that converts significantly better than than existing advertisers games, then you might be lucky and for a short period of time be able to compete with everybody else into in that auction. So, who do you think this will actually benefit in the long run then? And it sounds like the deepest pockets and maybe even like hyper casual players hyper casual guys. I think part of the reason why hyper casual became big is it hyper casual guys don't really care about the video at all because they don't monetize by pide monetized using a drug ads, right? And because of VO and Aurora's base fitting algorithms CPM is went up significantly like Facebook cpms are really high. Google cpms are really high because then they know how to find really good. Users and as a result, you can have ad supported games and you can you know have Drive millions of installs and do it profitably by paying the money back at least three or four days, but just but just showing ads so I don't think this actually impacts impact hyper casual guys impacts people like impacts developers like, you know Network or machine zone or any meat cord to hardcore games that monetize exclusively. Lee with IP so I think I think the future here is really to make this auction a little more fair and to make it available for advertisers to reach to every single user with every single station model versus having one model which goes only after Pairs and creating this like Bloodshed we're clever has more money wins. However, what's true about this article is that Facebook is trying to make things even simpler and it's true. The mini make you a scene that sense because they are trying to make their long tail longer and all these changes that they were making to the platform are actually doing that. I think there's a few more things that I wanted to bring up is like Google UAC was not a very successful product for a long time and it took a while it took a while to Google to get to this stage where they are now arguably performing better than Facebook for a lot of developers and it's still not that successful on is so I'm not I think Facebook will probably take only those bits that are working which is a simple interface a simple way to create campaigns and potentially they'll create one auction or the create one campaign type that works across all placements because Facebook now has a messenger and Facebook Audience Network and physical first party products. So they'll probably, you know do something in that regard, but I don't think it's ever going to become a simple the same as you AC because there are some things about the Apart from their very successful in to some degree though. Google kind of has an advantage because they have the Play Store data, right? That's true. But Facebook has school likes which is one of the sneakiest way to get other developers Revenue data. There's Facebook SDK and there's Facebook login. So if you're using Facebook has decayed and you're passing like Revenue data in real time, which is why Facebook is more successful. And is than Google and if you are using Facebook login, To collect like user information. Then you're also sending their revenue look spending and and engagement Behavior data Facebook. So they're they're really good at figuring out who to advertise to the problem with video in particular is that it they know who the payers are. They know who are the biggest barriers out there, you know, we're talking about whales has been dozens of thousands of dollars in games and they just created a simple auction for everyone to go after those and it's very expensive right now, you know. if the u.s. If you want to drive and install like if you want to go use vo in the US for like commit for hardcore game, you have to pay 50 to $100 for an install and you know, just too risky at this point, you know, because you don't really know whether that user is going to stay in the game for that long to monetize that much that's why I wrote this paranoid article about you know, why this evanuris is should not be the Target and how people have to and why people have to understand these things at a much deeper level in order not to take their company to bankruptcy. What about the question of trust in potentially having you know, the sand guys manage your performance to maximize their own profit. Like do you think that's concerned that marketers should be concerned about my bull statement is that you use our acquisition as we know it is he's done or like it's going to change significantly in the next year or so, so You can Google are going to make things simpler. But at the same time it's going to just get more competitive and people with more money will have to will be able to win this game and utter utter developers will have to look for alternative strategies and speaking of scope. Lyric. I know you let let's go plea I think what's go play really did well is they figure it out how to leverage IP to lower the cost. I think in the future, there's going to be a lot of companies that will look for alternative waste either there. Be able better. They'll be better at finding things that convert users really well or they'll build social models in the game that helped, you know with K-factor and just like help games grow organically and I'll stop here because I can talk about this for a while. Okay. Well what one last question for you about so given the power and strength of what Facebook and Google are doing and it seems like they're getting more and more share of the mobile advertising pie. Do you think that continues and how Can that go? Right now I think Eric Eric super shared shared a graph few days ago that Facebook and Google are simply 70 or 80% of all the mobile ad spend. I think that story too much because you know, we that means that your you a mix is not Diversified and that you were like, you're putting too many eggs in like two baskets and that's already risky because what the result of that is the cost is going up and if you Games done monetize consistently as or if you're getting just stops monetizing because you did something in the game. That's not good. That means you're going to run out of money pretty fast. So it's just like it's very risky to rely only on those two guys, especially if you do use your position at scale, so I think they're I think they need 2010 and 2020. There's going to be a huge opportunity for one of the other AD networks like Tick-Tock or SnapChat or Twitter to become really big and because um a healthy pair adoption. Wait a minute. Hold on. Okay. Now at least this is kind of talking my language a little bit because up to this point. Any question I would have asked I would sound like a moron but um, so wait a minute so is it is it these baskets is just like Google and Facebook because they're the most efficient in the best networks to advertise on or you know, yeah. Yeah our snap and Twitter and all these other ones like actual art alternatives. Are they just trashy, you know, Ray stuff like are they as effective? I mean if it's because it was if we're getting down to Google and Facebook because they're the most effective than that doesn't mean that someone else is going to come along. Yeah, how can Snapchat come back and like be competitive with Facebook when they don't even have someone's birthday, you know, you know I'm saying like, yeah, I mean, it's a great question. I mean, I think the number one thing that Snapchat has to Fix our ad units their head units don't convert as well. And and you know, they already killed things like look-alikes to get user information to try to understand who's spending money because not spending money. I think also like tying Works in Snapchats favor because their audience is going to get a little older. They average household income is going to go up. It's the same thing to happen to Facebook like 10 years ago when Facebook introduced it and they're advertising things were not working as well but a period out over time. It's really up to the management whatever like they have a good Management to be able to execute that what happened with Google and Facebook is they swallowed? A lot of smaller networks. They were great options for game for the game makers, you know rewarded video was huge for machines. Don't for example and reward video is nowhere close to where it used to be because Google and Facebook became huge players in this in this space. They are simply able to Target users better and as a result, they're paying a higher seat. Higher cpms. Yeah, no. No. Sorry. Let me just rephrase and I totally understand and I think you and I are saying the same thing but your your statement was more like well, we'll see one of these other operators, you know, come up and compete against Google and Facebook, but I don't see how that's even possible given the I think there's an opportunity but it's highly unlikely. It's going to happen. Okay. All right. So yeah that you agree. Yeah. I just can't imagine Snapchat coming. You know back to life. I mean, it's an interesting story with those guys, but I think that you know, these type of things tools lose their Allure after a while. They move on to other things says you should you should think about it as in different theme and I invested in Snapchat made like a decent amount of money from Snapchat Investments because it's a video first social network video is a premium premium kind of at the Get any video ad is kind of Premium again adds Unique Piece of add. They have 300 million du or like they have a ridiculous number of users if Facebook bought Snapchat, they would make tons of money off of that inventory. So it's something that's very valuable. The question is whether they'll be able to extract value out of the what I have. So that's why I think Snapchat has something unique and they just don't really know how to How to leverage their inventory and it's probably because they don't have their data is not good enough, but well, they don't have a targeting right and that's the fundamental problem. I mean like I remember I guess why I there's a little bad taste in my mouth. I met with one of the snap Biz Dev guys, like, you know, it was like literally like three or four months maybe six months before they went public and I was just kind of asking it was like a meet-and-greet thing and I was asking them like so exactly how much information you collect on your on your user base so that you can you know have targeted. Sizing actually, it wasn't even started. Let me step back. The question was this. How are you going to make money? Right? That was really the question. I asked him and then he said well we're going to do advertising and then I asked them the question. So how much actual information you collect in your user base. He's all none. I'm like well, how are you going to build an ad Network out of stuff that you can't Target, you know like and so I mean, I think they've stepped up that sort of thing and I'm not really covering snap all that closely. But yeah, it just seems like they just can't possibly compete at the same level as Facebook or Google ever. Right. It's just not that kind of tool, right? Yeah, that's true. I think they need to improve targeting and at units or the the ad formats. They offer. They're just not converting users well enough and that's part of the reason why performance advertisers are not leveraging Snapchat as much as they do who won. I just want to short snap. Is that is that is that so wrong? I just know it's kind of it's a social media. Thanking everybody wants to short snap. It's like shorting Wilbur but you know their panel who loves people like you being a make money off of that. So that's true. That's true. That's why I'm not sure Ting it because I don't know enough about it to be honest. Yeah. All right moving on. Yeah, let's move on. So let's talk about play Rick's. So the the article that Joe you gave me was mobile game developers are buying into Rivals instead of selling out by business world. To be honest. This wasn't a great article do we can talk about play Rex? I think playworks is really Yeah, yeah, exactly. So let's let's go on a deeper dive on Play Rick specifically like the news this week was that they acquired I pick c i pi x and M. Sorry actually, yeah from Serbia. There was no reported price. However, unlikely very large just because at least from things like a fanny they don't have any significant Revenue. So this is actually more likely just kind of a talent acquisition and kind of bring in sports Studios for play tricks. I picks was kind of a small scale casual developer from Serbia developer various Match 3 and hidden object games. Do you know more in a bow? Yeah, so they were they're known for hidden object games. I think they were developed some of the biggest games that were published really is on the big fish platform. They're also doing all kinds of interesting things. Like they have a PC and VR stuff but like yeah PCV are they Published comic books but it's definitely a small video just watching Eric laughs in the background. So yeah, you try to put lipstick on a pig dude. This thing is just a small little rinky-dink. It's a small. Yeah. I know them. Well, I know Mirko the CEO really well and loops and you know, they're small studio with really with great artists Serbian gaming scene is booming. I think it's an interesting kind of extension in that sense and And you know, it's I think clerics which is frankly gonna find Talent anywhere they can and given the proximity of Serbia's proximity to Russia. I think that's helpful. Yeah, so I guess going into the actual strategy of like why they picked up the studio right? Because this article least what it talks about is an interview with the Play Doh clay bricks brothers who own player X over the past year they've spent more than a hundred million on Acquisitions and Planning to more than quadruple their current portfolio of titles from 4 to get 16 hits so actually looking into their acquisition strategy and if you comp that towards like Zynga, which we've covered a lot on this podcast. It's actually very very different direction instead is Zenga who say, you know choirs guys like small Giants who are kind of very proven revenue and then kind of growing them by liveops. You have play reacts who are buying Studios, I would say much more on like a fire sale and then kind of integrating them into their core competencies of match three and hidden object live operations supporting their live teams with additional resources because if you look at the types of comedies at the be inquiring like I picks is a grav advisor Zafir next errs, like it's unlikely the lessons listeners here have heard them and many of them were like Outsourcing company for casual games or just kind of struggling casual game developers because play Rick's is going for A acquiring the students just for talent and then leveling them up and you can see it from the quote from this article of from the brothers that they're taking a much longer-term approach. We are helping our portfolio of games or companies grow over focusing on acquiring Revenue directly. So in order to actually do this acquiring all these companies so that they can eventually create new titles over the next couple of years to actually push their sales with the goal of actually rivaling Activision is their overall ambition. So if you think about this acquisition strategy you think about the current state of play Rick's can actually compete with something like a decision. I say that's pretty overly ambitious my current read on play Rick's of course, like I'm huge fans of the company. They've done some amazing things over the last really couple decades, right? Like they've been around in the Casual space for a long long time. Same type of timeline is King, but I see player X now kind of at the same point that King was near the Nearly acquisition by Activision because you know, like mastering hidden object games typically actually scale pretty well like sequels and sister games tend to do really well and allow accommodate actually stack Revenue. We're kind of eating into their base King had Candy Crush. They had farm farm farm hero saga. They had pet rescue. They had all these different types of games all stacking on top and while no sequel surpassed kind of Candy Crush, they've all been Ben and then successful business units on their own so playworks really was no different. So like if you look at their transition from fish Dome the card and escapes to home escapes each have been kind of continually new hits for clerics. Definitely not to mention Township continuing to chug along side those games. But if you look at kind of Kings trajectory, they're scaling engine eventually slow down after Jelly and soda actually eventually forcing them to today whether really investing really only in candy. - either in liveops or spin-offs and it's not two not King. They had a lot of talented people constantly soft launching new ideas, but it's hard to build success in the shadow of a game like Candy Crush and they see play Rick's is likely at the same point, especially look at the rpi's of their recent soft launches. So if you look at Wild escapes, which very Innovative Lee is Garden escapes with the zoo is about a 30 Cent RPI from three months from launch and manner matters, which is I think which is there hidden object game. It's roughly about 60 cents. You compact the garden escapes of 1.6 and home escapes of two point three dollars. So these games are significantly under performing versus those games. My takeaway is that the formula of like X escapes Garden escapes home escapes is diminishing pretty quickly the value of this model similar to when King kind of struggled to continually adapt after that Saga model. Of diminished players who will struggle to adapt especially if they're bogged down by trying to teach some of these struggling acquisition Studios. They should focus these Acquisitions on actually producing content for these existing games so they can actually free up some of those Central resources and talent to build the next big thing. That's my take. JK. Yeah, so for me, I think that player X is in a bit of a unique situation and I'm also a fan site. I don't mean to be critical anyway, but if I'm being honest, I don't quite buy the narrative that's being put forth by the article, which is that the brothers are sort of, you know choosing as their ideal strategy to kind of become one of the biggest players and compete with Activision, you know, the word on the street. It's been pretty, you know, well rumored that they Ben you know up for sale for quite a while but you know, a lot of the concerns about them has just been you know geography so being in Russia that they're extremely distributed and so because of the Geo issues and also the price like that there's been kind of a lot of you know, controversy internal not controversy, but, you know kind of disagreements in terms of what the what the sale price would be so So I kind of agree with your taking them that they're kind of their kind of reaching this this point of scale where things are, you know, they're they're reaching diminishing returns. And so like having to go this path where they're going after these lower costs Studios, you know, my own feeling is that you know, they've done an incredible job that you know, the that they will continue to grow to some degree, but I just don't quite think they're going to It sort of Activision levels with the current trajectory and with the current strategy part. Yeah, I mean, I been looking at this company for a while because I was just kind of looking at the sequel success that they had with their puzzle games and this is the same kind of thing is that there seems to be some kind of insatiable desire demand for puzzle games which still continues to blow my mind, which I've said many times but the companies Unremarkable, it was grown from like 300 million all the way to up to the almost 2 billion and lat this year. So according to Center Tower anyway, but I mean we are seeing a Slowdown of growth I suppose but it's kind of law of large numbers, right? It's hard to grow when you're sitting at two billion dollars, right? But, you know at this point it's almost too big to acquire right for many parties that would be interested. So, you know even something, you know, something like Zynga just could not You know get this thing done because if they are sitting at two billion by a little bit more than 2 billion any multiple on that Revenue would get you to a 5 6 7 billion dollar deal. Right? And that's just a lot of a lot of ducats, right? And and again you said earlier like the country risk and in their concentration on titles so very, you know is all risky and it creates a challenging deal and it's possible that one of the big China companies did we Play reham being acquired by Aristocrat recently and they have a similar issue in which a lot of their operations are Ukraine I suppose and so, you know, it was two credits just a what Australian company that does traditional casino games and also has been acquiring some stuff like the big fish guys. But anyway, so I just don't see any of the publicly traded companies in the u.s. Getting interested in this because the boards and the shareholders are just not going to be comfortable with the company that's completely distributed employees in places like Russia, right? And there also could be some logistical challenges of doing that as well. So what do they do? I don't know. I mean, this is a tough one, right so they could treat it like a piggy bank right kind of in this is kind of like wargaming right with those guys are just basically minting money and cashing checks, right and to lesser degree social points and similarly much to a smaller degree. And so they basically just continue to build it. continue to make money I suppose but I think it's going to be tough to get an Acquisitions done. And and I don't see an obvious acquire at this point unless some of the Chinese guys would be interested. But if they don't do very well outside of the West as far as I can see, so that's all I got on that one. Anything else? Yeah, probably the other thing too is just as we've mentioned before in the podcast that the list of acquisition targets is getting smaller and smaller. So, you know, at least they can actually acquire a lot of these smaller Studios right like whizzing. It's better like when they're trying to buy Revenue, it seems like that well has definitely dried up but if they can successfully integrate these teams, which I think is definitely possible with their building up, you know, semi-successful match three hidden object developers and integrating them into Just building a content for these massive games that that model can work. I think there's a with small Channel games and got query like a 50-person team with players to acquire six seven eight hundred people that work all over the place. It's really hard to integrate such a became. My point of the on this is classic style of players games great production value beautiful games, and I think they're going to do just fine if they stay on their own these games generally have super long lifetime. They tend to monetize really well. And I think they'll do fine. I mean they're if they cannot get acquire this should look into you know ways to grow and I think this is an interesting way to do. So, but you know mobile gaming is challenging. We'll see we'll see how successful was going on. Yeah today at we're talking about like the number three publisher on mobile here, right? I know I know we could knock them on their acquisition and their ambition here, but these guys have done a lot of amazing work. I know but you kind of want these guys to just cash out big and become I mean, I'm they probably are Hundreds of a Millionaire's, you know, but make a few billion would be nice. Right? Well, I mean, I think they're each worth one point six billion or get out. Oh, yeah. They're they're making I mean the cost of operations is not that high because they have people all over the place. It's not like a San francisco-based startup. So I think and and there's like only there's you cannot spend a billion dollars in each game on Advertising that easily so you can only spend so much anyway, so they're definitely you know, Banking some money and interesting company sure. Also while playing while escapes while escapes is nowhere as good as home escapes and garden escapes know as a different different retention mechanic and I think that's what that's why the game failed. I still think that I still think there's a lot of Threes man. I think you could do two of these games and then number three is always going to be or maybe it's because number three you try to do something different or something like like I agree with you on that. I play these games like crack addicts. I I wasn't a big fan of puzzle games until this thing came out. So anyway, yeah more power to I mean, they're killing it. So enjoy one last note. So one of the companies we've been talking about in the last few podcast. Well, we'll be announcing in the next couple of weeks. I'll just leave it at that listen to it rumor guy. All right, dude, I think wild escapes failed just because they didn't put Austin the ball dude on the main icon. That's is that it that's it. I always keep going keep. All right. So the next thing we're going to go through this really as fast as possible. So the game awards 2019 with 1212 big announcements. This is a story from I don't even know where it doesn't matter. So every year the game awards go in the holiday time frame and really it's the only place To announce things or the future of games in this this kind of time frame, you know, we have GDC III games Khan and games awards show. Those are the big kind of Beats over the year for you know, publishing, you know, console PC Etc the Tokyo game show used to be relevant, but I am more since Japan's Consul businessman struggling for years. So I'm not going to spend a lot of time talking about the wards one because I think a lot of these words shows are pretty lame and pretty crappy but I mean, Lots of news say Sakura one best game of the year and everyone's going to about what the fuck is curable. Right? I mean no one cares right really excited. I played it course, right but no one cares so but what's cool about it though. Is It ultimately is a Showcase of new titles and things to come and I think that is actually more interesting. So I'm going to run through these as quick as possible with a little bit of commentary, but the first thing they announced that was the biggest thing was the actual physical manifestation of Microsoft Excel. Fox series X and we're going to talk about that in the next story. So I won't go too much into it now hell-blade was announced which is a sequel from Ninja Theory pretty chord Niche game Bravely. Default is an RPG from Square Enix coming to switch yawn PlayStation 5 announced the first third-party exclusive which is really interesting. I'm not quite sure why they're doing exclusives at this point. But let's I'm sure they got paid for this what's really weird about this is being published by gearbox, which is not you know, the 300-pound gorilla or where the expression is of publishing. I would imagine that another publisher would have better like Sony and then Blue Hole the guys who do Pub GE announced this prologue thing, which we don't know anything about from the trailer Riot unveiled their first game from the third pilot publishing arm, which I'm laughing a little bit ruined King which Games that are based on League of Legends Universe from third parties, you know, good luck on that one fellas. And then ghost of Charisma was a PS4 exclusive. I don't know anything about that one. And then the one that dry keeps driving me. Insane. Is this Final Fantasy 7 remake, will you just release this stupid thing? I mean, this is another trailer for a game that must Bend develops. I think so for a quick history on this. The original game was made for PlayStation original and 1997 and that many considered to be the The best Final Fantasy ever made and I'm not debating that at all what I'm saying is they've been talking about this fucking remaster since 2000, you know, and it was rumored to be enveloped in the 2000s and then it was and it was on PS2 or something and then it got canned and then there's speculation since 2000 that was back again. The Fanboys have been all over this. There's always rumors and speculation around that but evidently the real development really didn't start till 2014 and they seem to be postponing and delaying this constantly, right? So we're talking about a freaking remake just release this thing and be done with it. I'm just sick of hearing about it. But anyway, but you know the worst part of it this the game that comes out in March is part one. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, so it's just Final Fantasy 7 part 1 I'm never gonna hear the end. It's never going to happen. Yeah. Anyway, alright. The next thing was sounds of cyberpunk. I mean, I thought it's cool that cyberpunk actually gets kind of some kind of Nod because that's probably going to be one of the biggest games next year. So that was cool gears tactics and strategy spinoff from Gears of War good luck with that one. And then the new development team for tail till announced Wolf Among Us to which is interesting that they're going to be able to get something to show this soon because it seems really soon. But yeah, we'll see how that goes and maybe that wasn't development before and I'm not yeah, it was always the right talked about that then Fast and Furious. Foods from slightly look everyone out there. That's kind of trying to get compete in the console space. Stop making racing games. Okay racing is dead. You can look at MPD you can look at all the data in the Europe and you're going to see the same thing that everyone else sees is that racing is not what it used to be Need for Speed commands like three or four million at most every time it comes out and Fast and Furious throwing a license on that's not going to change things. So so overall as you probably can hear from my demeanor this show kind of sucked, right? Right, there wasn't these epic announcements that there are at the show right last year. We saw Super Smash. We saw a really cool kind of not to reveal but like a launch trailer for Mortal Kombat Farcry rage to the year before is like death stranding Bayonetta Zelda breath of the wild like there. This has been a Showcase from some big big titles, but perhaps it's because of the timing we're in right now like we're the new cycle starts next year, so they didn't really have a lot to show of the new games because they're kind of waiting till I get it. We baked they may be restricted in terms of what they can release from Microsoft and Sony excetera. But so next year. I'm hoping they'll be a lot more showcasing next-gen Hardware software and and the like but a little bit disappointing this year and but you know what? Let's hope for next year because I think next year is going to be very exciting for the space in general. Any other thoughts guys? Hmm, not much. I agree with you who's pretty light one question. That was like why Microsoft chose this venue to launch their console versus like launching it on their own terms on their own stage. Well, I mean, I think they're just trying to beat the Sony to the punch, right? I mean they're going to have to share the stage at E3. And as I said, this is the only really venue to announce anything before TDC and CTC is not the right place real. Lee I mean, I know it's a game developers conference and a kind of makes logical sense, but like it's not a big venue for releasing big announcement it's possible that they do that but I think they'll probably hold off until III so it gets them out early. I wonder how many viewers they really get for this. I don't think the show gets reviews but I think the Press coverage probably makes up for it. You know, I would think but I'm not I'm not I haven't done this kind of PR marketing work for a while. So I'd have to ask someone about that. Anything else that really I think the only thing I was pissed at was super smash didn't announce their last DLC character is really hoping for that. Yeah, I think from my side. I am one of those Fanboys super excited about the Final Fantasy 7 remake should have guessed that'll definitely be my number one purchase priority for next year, but beyond that I'm just kind of disappointed at The Disappearance of old-school RPG type of You can coop RPGs like the ones that you know BioWare used to make so it seems like it's all Shooters narrative action puzzle type of games, which I don't object to but definitely feel like there's a hole in the market. So that that's not which games which games from Iowa like Janet Leigh. Yeah or the old like, you know, kind of even going back to like PC like Neverwinter Baldur's Gate like back way back when no, but then they had after that they had even like games like Jade Empire, okay. Okay Knights of the Old Republic and you know, even like Marvel Ultimate Alliance like those Co-op RPG type games it was big. Is it the coop aspect that you liked? Because like I like girl look out of Worlds at a world is a really good one for this year. You should definitely check that one out. Yeah, I've got it. Actually I was gonna that's what I do this holidays. I was gonna play out our worlds like I want to get through. I love that kind of game. That's like my thing, but I'm gonna give that a shot. I don't think it's co-opted. Oh, but I'm not sharing with like nicely will Republic in this type of thing. The original that wasn't go up. Yeah. No. No, I those I consider those two different genres, but both of those types of games. It feels like his kind of disappeared. Hmm. I think a lot of stuff went to like in terms of coop went towards like looters Shooters and MMO e type of stuff and then in terms of like old-school RPGs, you've got Skyrim followed big content treadmills Witcher cyberpunk now, yeah, I mean cyberpunk will be the yeah that yeah, that's the manifestation of what you're talking about. I think. Think over time, right? Alright, so the next thing is about Xbox series X. So basically the articles about it's basically a PC, which is totally true. I thought it was cool that they use this as a showcase for the first details around the design and for the first time the game the things we made as a tower specifically I think you could have used as a tower historically, but this one is like freaking power right looks exactly like a PC. And the IG hadn't guys were funny. They were like the design cues makes it look like it's taller and stronger, you know one analogies like a skyscraper like, you know, the Salesforce penis in San Francisco, which my mom continually hates every time she sees that thing in the middle of our city. Anyway, hopefully it goes down an earthquake or something. So Jesus here big one. The big change is really the ability to obviously put it as a tower and but I think they people like kind of like it overall. It seems like the design is should be more a little bit more divisive, but I think it'll be fine. And then the overall volume of the thing is actually similar to the existing consoles. It's just in the more of a square shape so you can lay it flat or go have it up. So and the only other real kind of like design q that they saw was at the new controller has the pro d-pad and a quote-unquote share button, which I didn't really go into because I'm not all that interested. But anyway, the innards 4K 60 frames per second some Zen to in our DNA architecture from AMD. They are going to leverage in a ray tracing in that and basically solid state storage system. So I may be wrong on this one because I was thought they were going to do a hybrid but they basically are claiming. It's gonna be full solid state. They're going to offer quote unquote four times the CPU performance at the Xbox One and Two X the graphics power of the Xbox One at X. So So, you know and then they give us this meaningless performance metric of 12 Fair teraflops, which I think it's like the size of everyone's penis or something and that's teraflops. But so basically this is a PC under your TV to put it simply and when all is said and done I think the only real compelling future feature that that really sets it apart from the pro is the SSD architecture which will lead to absolutely massive improvements in load times, which I think is a huge feature. But anyone that's ever used an SSD on the PC can attest that this is the difference is Night and Day from the traditional hard drives. So I think that's cool. But from a graphics perspective, I think even the two times GPO power of the Xbox One X is kind of like You know, I don't know how easy it is to going to be able to discern, you know from 1080p to 4K, you know like and and and these kind of jumps and power anymore. You know, I think the biggest jump we saw historically way back. When was PS1 and PS2 when you went from 480i to like 720p and that was a dramatic dramatic change. And even for the PS2 PS3 was kind of solid, but it wasn't, you know 720p they were upscaling to 900 and maybe some things were doing 10. ATI but very few things were to actually doing 1080P and the difference is relatively minimal. And then when you looked out at Xbox One at this cycle, I don't think it was really all that dramatic of a difference visually, so I guess to me The real question I have to answer to understand where our Publishers are going to be in the next couple years is we know that the next year these things are going to sell off the shelves and they're going to any unit that can get in the channel. They're going to sell but the real question is how well they grow in year two year three or four verses the last cycle. It doesn't even matter at this point. We talked about this last time are few other times like these things are so freaking similar right in terms of infrastructure. It's like you be able to play the same game on either console. Next year, you can probably buy Call of Duty on one DVD and play it on both PS4 PS 5. So so the question really is is it really a compelling enough to upgrade if the visual Fidelity is not all that compelling relatively and in all you really getting is faster load times. So I don't know that's kind of the question. I need to figure out I'm kind of I'm definitely bullish on next gen consoles. I just don't know if these consoles are going to sells fast. That's kind of my only concern. But you guys yeah, I don't know that going into the actual design of the Xbox not a huge fan of the tower just because it I have no idea where it's going to fit in my TV stand and one thing you did get wrong PS2 was 44 ATP. So I think when you're talking like PS2 PS3 and PS 3 with 720 and PS4 was 1080p. Oh, you're right. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, I totally messed that up. I wrote it down wrong. Okay. Yeah, that was the big jump though PS2 PS3 Xbox 360 to sorry. Yeah PS2 Xbox 360 / PS3 got it. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. They also a lot of this article focuses a lot on Phil Spencer talking like how he doesn't really want to sell a lot of consoles right that he doesn't really feel like the consoles are part of his business. Did you read that are I didn't read that part. How did I miss that one? Yeah, the exact quote was the business isn't how many consoles you shall have? Yeah, this one for me was a head scratcher and I used to buy all the consoles but I sat out the last Xbox just because it didn't really feel that compelling and Halo kind of lost it for me and I'm probably going to sit out. This next one is well and it's like the danger here. Is that Microsoft the more they Make the Xbox feel like a PC and the more they push Xbox games everywhere through Game Pass X Cloud more. People are just going to question. Why do I even need an Xbox if you have a PC or if I can get the games on something else and feeling I get I don't know if you guys agree is that Microsoft is kind of I know they're kind of losing the game here and there, you know Sony's just going to win by default. Hold on. Okay. All right. I don't disagree with you on your sentiment on Microsoft. I think they need to show. They know what they're doing in there come out and got with compelling content That's Unique like, you know, whether it's Minecraft whether it's some other game at their other guys make that make a compelling platform. Yeah, you certainly the hardware design is not going to sell it. Right and and I've said a million times. I still believe this is it Sony is going to totally win first three years. There's no doubt like this the way the positioning is but it's whether how much investment and how much content they can come out with that will compel a broader audience to come on board with the Xbox and the different business models that they're going to be able to use try to innovate on unlike Sony which is basically going to sell a box and sell software right which is what they do. So so I'm again bullish on the overall console cycle. I just don't my my feeling is that we will not see as many Hardware units sold as in the first three years as we did the last time and that may be a problem to some degree. I think that's it. So, thanks again Nebo for jumping on and yeah, that is a wrap for twig 61 catch y'all later. Alright. Talk to you later. Thanks guys.

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Welcome to the HMO experience. The UK's only HMO focused property podcast where every Monday Matt Jaime & Steve will inform and inspire you about everything to do with hmos rent to rent and how to set up and grow a successful HMO business whether you're just starting out or you're already on your way. Hi guys and welcome to experience and in this episode we're going to be covering off. The essential steps for a successful rent rent property View and I want to welcome my co-host Jamie more everyone and Steve afternoon everyone and we're going to take you through and in this episode and some of the bits and pieces and that we follow I guess when we carry out their property views for a renter and property. So with that in mind, I'm going to let Steve kickers off on this little journey and I will but in when necessary and I'm sure James We'll add some valuable little nuggets as well. Cool. So yeah for for me the viewing actually starts before the viewing so that might sound a little bit back to front but with rent to rent what I found and perhaps you found more. So in London than out in the sticks where we are you need to be able to make decisions really quickly because there's bound to be some competition on your heels. You've not only got other Our HMO management companies or rent to renters as they're known as following your footsteps. The agent also may be thinking about renting it out on a single there. So you've got a you've got to be able to make a decision relatively quickly unlike when you're purchasing a property where you've got a little bit of time on your side. So the preparation for the viewing always starts. Well before we actually do the mewing. Yeah, and that preparation is mainly around the numbers and I think we'll do another Decide on how to do the deal now. So this and Jamie's got some hmm hacks coming up. So doing here share those insights with you, but you need to know what you can offer and in an Ideal World. You've done all your testing your adverts all that before you doing the viewing you've done a run through the numbers. So, you know what the cash flow is likely to be obviously you've got your minute, but we call the minimum deal. Value so that's the absolute minimum that we're prepared to take that property on that and trust that that's 500 pounds. In other parts of the country might be different amounts, but you should try and stick by that and with that number you then go in and negotiate but you don't really go station first off its checking to make sure the property is what we call fit for purpose. So if the property is an existing HMO, then you know that the majority of the key. The elements are fit for purpose. What do I mean by that fire regulations HMO license that is got paying customers. Yeah, because you'll be able to see if there's a if the rooms are occupied or not, if you're going into an existing HMO and then say it's a 6 bed and then two rooms occupied. You've got to ask the question why yeah, and that'll either be because it's not being run or operated effectively and which case massive opportunity. Yeah, or if it does look like it's being run properly then maybe there's a problem with the supply and demand but you would hopefully have checked all about prior to going on viewing. So the other things that we do when we're going around and particularly where a property is occupied is we do little things like we're some of the agents think of solitude flush the toilet and there's a bigger who spend a lot of money on things like the hot water Working yeah, or the the drains are clogged know that the shower doesn't heat up and work. So we want to we want to go in and check all those things out ideally on the first viewing and the whole premise for that is so that we can make decisions quickly and we can make an offer quickly and therefore secure the property quickly. If we didn't do that then there's two potential consequences. The one first one is as already said you might be taking on something that needs some work and then for some extra money The second thing is that you can put those elements into the Larry the negotiation. It's really easy for me to say you put those elements into the negotiation so that it balances out if when you're if you're Asian is asking for too much. Yeah, and you can only offer them so much then you've got some other weapons in the in the Arsenal to trade off with so it's always good to know those things are front and By knowing those things up front. It means that we can move direct to the offer normally on the first on the first viewing. We obviously if it's an existing action mode all the room sizes are good to go. Although we'll put a strong caveat in that you should always do your own measurements and your own checks definitely gonna say, yeah because there's a lot of hmos that weren't properly license or how subsequently Fallen foul of the change. In legislation where by rims were able to be rented out and now under the new regime, they're not a could be rented out. So again, you don't want to be left with the property. Let's say a 6 bed you take it on you find out we can't rent one room out that's in going to impact your cash flow and you'll be making a little bit of profit or breaking even or in worst case scenario losing money. Yeah, definitely not the aim of what we're looking to do carry around a little laser. Yeah. Stop, we we use magic plans. So when Courtney who's a property manager goes around and looks at prospective properties. She will just quickly take out arrived had two very quick calculation if it's marginal and then she'll go to that a little bit of extra detail. But if it's like 12 square meters and it obvious they then it's all good. So yeah, the the process should be quick then. Therefore it's focusing on the function the functionality of the property and do your numbers before the viewing so that you know what the maximum is that you can offer from a rental perspective as you're going around the property you might be picking up little bits and pieces that you can use as leverage to get work done. So that's what we do if the property is occupied if it's not occupied if it's a standard residential property that we're looking Convert into an HMO. Then more works is likely to be done. And the normal thing to happen is to put a stud wall up between the the two reception rooms. So it would be really handy to know before you go into that view into know what that's roughly than a b and so therefore having a good handyman on your power team or a plasterer or a carpenter or those types of guys will give you an indication of what that cost is likely to be so that you can factor that into your costings and be able to respond quickly the other things that you need to consider whether it's a residential property or an existing HMO, not so much if it isn't this nation, where is the furniture? So where there are small rooms you need to give consideration to the types of furniture you're buying and in particular storage, so we look at buying Bates with storage underneath or storage drawers rather than putting in a wardrobe and the chest of drawers we buy I think they're called gentleman's wardrobe. So not meant to be sexist or I think sorry ladies. I'm sure there's a ladies equivalent, but I believe it's called a gentleman's wardrobe where you've got sort of hanging space above and draw space underneath. So again, you're sort of minimizing the furniture requirements and maximizing the storage solutions within the room if they're bigger rooms, then it's about but certainly those are some of the things that we're thinking about as we go around the viewing and what furniture we going to need to put in here so that we can build those costs into our deal analysis to work out how much the lease rates going to be if another Lisa or if we're going to buy it. We need to make sure we've got money in the bank to be able to purchase that property about furniture. Sorry, so those are some of the things that we look for what about you when you're going around in modem when I so I will do some similar prep in terms of the numbers because you know, I spent quite a bit of time researching the area that we operate in our kind of now have a gut feel in terms of if I see property online. I see hopefully we'll have a floor plan. We should make easier so you can get a good idea of the sort of room sizes and then I'll know so you mentioned in terms. Of proper numbers, we generally work on our ounce or 750 800 pounds a month net for a five bed. It will be thousand pounds plus 4 a 6 bed and you know having sort of looking at the general allow the property in the location is important and then on the actual viewing itself check in sort of the same condition of the property like is in good decorative order. Yeah, you know, they're you mentioned obviously check. Toilets the other thing we do certainly the hot water, you know, checking under the cupboard Under the Stairs to see where the bagasse me to his money electrical meter is you know, make sure there's don't bail so little things like that and also to see what sort of standard the doors are if it's not so we've only taken on one property that was set up to be HMO other all the others have been converted into an HMO. So checking out what the the standard that the doors were they suitable bar. They fire doors already the smoke alarms interlinked hardwired. So those are really the most important bit and check them under their thumb locks Mmm Yeah in there already. Yeah, one of the things that we've noticed is that particularly from doing the mentoring is that the back door very rarely gets checked. Yeah. So all of the external doors To have a function. I had to get one changes on on our one of our properties and it was a pretty straightforward process. They just have to check out the the locking mechanism doesn't cost much but you need to sort of stuff and then I think the one thing that we don't do is we don't put up stubbles. No, so we will generally go for properties either have Bree beds and one reception in they have a quite a large reception. You know, we've looked at a few properties where there has been the option to put up some rule from our perspective. I think the added cost and the potential for civil Fair wear and tear planes or dilapidation claims that the end of the term of the agreement is something that I'm a little bit wary of so, I think a lot of the properties that we generally look at have got to Receptions, which is Handy but yes life a lot easier is not so much easier. Yeah. I just think you know the the leading time to get in the property set up. If you don't have to do any major works you have that is just so much shorter and enables you to you know, marketing quicker get it filled quicker and obviously, you know get it producing Revenue sooner. Yeah, I think other than that, there's those are really the main bits obviously doing the numbers. Definitely I think now we've got to a point where you know, I kind of know the area that we operate in really well, so I'll have a gut feel for what the rental should be for the property itself what the rental should be for the rooms. So I'm I have also got a relationship with a couple of Agents while say look like this property, but realistically this is what we're going to be able to offer bearing in mind the numbers and the condition and all that kind of thing. So, you know as things evolve it is quite nice to have That relationship where you can sound them out and said you be honest, you know, it's on the this you seen the property. Is it really worth that? Yep? No go. Well. Yeah, the landlord is asking for a little bit too much because when we valued it we validate this but he was insistent or she was insisting on it being marketed at that and it's you know, it takes a while obviously to get to that stage but it's quite nice to have that in your locker because then it kind of makes it a negotiation and it'll be easier if you've got the Even on your side already. Yeah, I did a podcast recently for the internet experience about how to build rapport with agents and what they should work with you all and was directly and I think what you're saying makes absolutely key when it comes to render any particular everybody benefits if they understand what they get out of it. So one of the things was going to add to what these guys have just said is little things like having a chat to be letting agent skin and weld them use that first feeling if it is your first few There's an opportunity to build rapport with them. Because there are loads of people doing exactly what you want to do in your area. It's a competitive market out there. Yes, if you can stand out just by doing little things other people don't do. Yeah, Steve mentioned magic plan map talks about the laser measurement. Those things are really really good because you can start not only showcasing the knowledge and experience by saying why you do that but also has little things that most people don't do and that's the benefit of you listening to this podcast. You can use some of those things even if you don't think you got any experience or any track record of Didn't yet in setting up and running a ranch? Uh, no business there thing. I would add to that a sovereign location location location team and Kirstie allsopp was going around a property with a couple and the bloke the husband who was part of the buying couple was about 6 foot. He just could not visualize his empty property if they can get their furniture and so courtesy got this poor guy to lie on the floor and go. Well, that's a devil. So for there and that helped two divisions by his when the room is big enough for this. So far I've known that but I don't see you later. Well, the reason I mention that courses and obviously for those of you not on the YouTube channel and just listen to the podcast I'm slightly more vertically challenged in these two Trends. So I definitely couldn't do that. But just food for thought you had asked was Steve. Have you seen a property yesterday for registering? Yeah, tell us about that. So we went to see Obviously we took it on the essay and we did is all the things that we we advise and the most important thing is to systemize it so we've got Courtney mentioned before she's a project. She will be going out in the future and go in assessing those properties because she's got a standard template that she works too. Then she can feed that back to me and then I can make a fun the fundamental decision, but at some point should be making decisions on our own. The to challenge your hands if you don't systemize it then you've got to be present all the time. Yeah, so having a document or a process or a step of actions that you go through every single time will create leverage free up your time particularly as your portfolio starts to grow or if you're in full-time employment and you want to take on someone part time to do this stuff for you. If you can then document that viewing process and get them to take away. Viper photographs Alone video put that on a shared folder somewhere so you can do that in the evening if you can't be at the viewing in person because as I said at the very beginning it's all about speed and if you can't get to the property, but you can get someone else to do that for you. Then you still in a similar sort of position to be able to make a judgment call relatively quickly and what happened with that property States. We took it on go. Excellent. And how long was it again? 15-minute. There you go. And what did you put an offer in after viewing 16th minute? Okay, there you go. And that's the power of knowing what you're doing and having a systemized you've actually seen breaking, you know, you survived the top of and this episode is you know rents around it's about speed because you don't, you know, you're in competition with other potential, you know rent to rent businesses or you know with families. I guess we've just come out and share a season. So particularly the types of properties that are suitable for Rent rendering share a season like you need to act quickly to take the opportunity and get the property on board. And I think as part of your process do you then have also standard short list of questions that you would ask as and when you go around no, it's not. It's not really asking you questions at that stage because it for us and it would depend of the property is already occupied or not, but it's more about the suitability of the The property so for example, the one that we took from yesterday is already occupied. Okay, it's got is a little for bed. It's got four people in there one joined in September one joined in August 120mm a and one's been there for two years. Okay, so we actually had the privilege of meeting to around new customers. So we asked them about are they enjoying it there have there been any problems because it's all right very well the agent saying there's no She's dead. Chances are the agents probably never stepped in that property before them got clue. So it's always good to to ask those questions of the people actually live in there. Yeah and everything come back fine. I could feel the heating was on so that's a person which in turn are legit. Yeah. So yeah, so but the the ranks that they're paying a probably not what we can achieve so at some point we will start to walk the price up and we'll do another episode about how you do that and And walk up price over a period of time but the property looks from a deck or perspective. Perfect. The toilets flush. The hot water came on. Yeah, all the doors are secure every door had thumb turn lock on it both the back door and the front door, they'll shower pressure was good the water drained out of the sink and out of the shower and out of the Basin in the in the bathroom. Sure. So as we're going around the age of the Agents are looking at essence of like wondering what we're doing is as we were turning on showers and turning on Taps and looking at plug holes and all that type of stuff another quick tip when you're looking at the basis, but if you're taking on sweets and things like that check to make sure that each base of got a plug because if it doesn't have a plug what the customers will tend to do is stuff toilet paper in the in the waist hole and then where does that go? So little little things like that and the plug cost like to pound my air line off of Amazon. So yeah miniscule forcing they will happen. So all those little bits and pieces checking to make sure that the oven works if it's a gas of turn the gas off on one of the problems with gas hob is sometimes the electric spark doesn't work, you know, if it's an electric pole then that will heat up relatively quickly. So all these little checks as you're doing here Lee. Yeah get his building up confidence in that. I'm not going to be faced with potentially. He's intelligent challenges time because it's going to take time Jay about those problems and we go live with that on the 18th of November. So because we've done those things and yeah, we're with 99% confident and that's not a work well for us. So yeah something might crawl out of the woodwork, but we'll pick that up as well as we go forward. But yeah, and if it if it wasn't blocked by with the exactly the same checks only the we would just have to find more customers for it. Yeah. But then one of the things that I did when I first started on this journey was after a few games. I started compiling a checklist of you know different either questions to ask or like you just went through like different things here. So whether it's in the kitchen or bathroom or check assure the lights of work and I think one thing you mentioned to me one time was you take your phone charger and yeah, well the plug sockets in work. Yeah, so we just we This into distinct phases. So that was the viewing that we did yesterday when we actually take a property on and maybe we'll do a completely separate episode. We've got a hundred and eight step checklist that we go through some of which we've already tested as part of the take on process. Yeah, but there's a hundred and eight things that we share and as long as we've got a check mark in each of those boxes, then when the first customer arrives, although it's a bit different in this instance because you already D we're inheriting for excellent customers. So some of it we won't have to do but if that property was empty then we would go completely through that checklist. And as long as we got to check in each box, then when the first customers arrive they have a positive experience for sure. That's handy. That's cool. Yeah. I think I'm gonna be much more to add to this. I think the next stage like you mentioned will be actually on board in the potty. So we've gone through couple of few points for the guards to you know, carrying out of viewing so See the pre-prep that you do before you get to mewing, you know, make sure that your numbers stack up, you know a few of the essentials in terms of when you're they're actually carrying out the viewing so, you know compliance aspects, you know, when you saw the basics work there is Heating and water and then building the rapport with the agent which in my mind is probably the most important step in all of this is you know, they are very much The Gatekeepers to name obviously access to more properties, right? So I think for now if you happy we're going to leave it there. We wrap it up. 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In this episode your podcast hosts Matt Harris, Jamie Madill & Steve Mitchell share with you their suggestions on the essential steps for a Rent2Rent HMO viewing. Get this right and you are more likely to beat your competition and secure properties quickly; get it wrong and you will probably lose lots of profitable opportunities in your area. KEY TAKEAWAYS You need to prepare for your viewing before you turn up at the property, one of the most important things is to make sure your numbers stack up. It’s essential you need to know if the property is ‘fit for purpose’. If you are viewing an existing licensed HMO you will know that the room sizes are fine and the fire regulations have been complied with. On the other hand, if the property is a single-let then you need to know what’s needed to convert it. Have a good Power Team will help you understand the costs of any works that might be needed and you can use the cost of these in your rental negotiation with the agent or landlord. Checking things like flushing the lavatory, running the hot water and turning on the shower, gives you an indication that everything works. This will save you potentially costly maintenance jobs to get the property ready to rent out. You must document your viewing process so you can leverage the help of others, especially if you work otherwise you will miss Rent2Rent opportunities. BEST MOMENTS ‘We’ve looked at properties where it was possible to put up a stud wall to create another bedroom but we’ve turned those down as it’s often quicker and cheaper to get the property ready & rented out if you don’t need to do these works’. ‘If you don’t systemise your viewing process then you need to be present all the time. And that’s not always possible’. ‘Rent2Rent is about speed as you are in competition with others. You need to act quickly and put your offers in fast’ ABOUT THE HOSTS Matt Harris - Matt started working for a Mayfair based property investment company before practicing as a property lawyer. In 2013 he swapped law for cleaning and set up The Organised Cleaning Company! In 2016 Matt started MiPropCo Leeds, a buy to let investment company and in 2018 he founded MiRentCo London, a multi-let management business providing co-living accommodation for young professionals in London. Jamie Madill - After an 18 year career in advertising Jamie became a full-time property investor with a property portfolio of single-lets & HMOs and with Steve, they have created a successful Rent2Rent HMO business. Jamie is an international public speaker and co-founder of Progressive Property Network and co-host of PPN St Pancras. Steve Mitchell - Steve had a successful corporate career in finance and risk management before becoming a full-time property investor. He owns a portfolio of single-lets and HMOs. A black belt in Six Sigma, Steve is the project management and systems expert. Steve is also co-host of PPN St Pancras.

Hi, welcome back to the Chinese medicine forecast today. I'm going to be starting a new series about the relationship between our body's physiology the physical function our body and creativity and getting that motivation all that mojo back. So this is going to be useful for people who are in a creative kind of job. So you might be in a job where you rely on your creativity and all you rely on your ability to come up with ideas. Welcome to this.Series addict not a subscriber already to the podcast you can subscribe on audio to Apple Google podcasts or modify or however you're listening to this. So if you're listening on the audio welcome, and if you are new to the podcast Channel on YouTube and you haven't subscribed yet and then click that subscribe button and click the notification bail on that one. Hi, welcome to part one. On on creativity and your body in Chinese medicine. So in this series we're going to be looking at the difference in Chinese medicines way of understanding your body and how that might help you to this particular episode is going to be looking at the basic physiology of your body in a Five Element way. So you have five elements, right? So five elements are represented all ideas of functional systems in our body so they can represent the organs of our body that can represent wood fire earth metal and what are those different elements represent like The fire type functions in our body and they are attributed to different organs in our body and system those organs relate to systems. So for instance the Earth element, if you've been listening to any episodes that I've done before about dampness, then you would be familiar with the Earth element think about how it's related to digestion and grow sort of growing your digestive functions. And those those out the one thing with the five elements is they're not into they're not just Standalone thinks they're interdependent on the relationship between in all the elements. So how does this affect creativity? Why should we understand this because the five elements system is shows how our body is one is dependent on the environment and that's something that we've lost in our society. I think in general now and what is because we we have just lost the ability to live in harmony with the environment because one ways we've kind of lost the need to do that as much as we used to one is through the increase of Technology. It allows Us to create artificial environments and so we don't have to live just at the mercy of the environment. Let's say so but I'm a big proponent of technology. I have an iPhone I have I'm using a camera to film this I have electricity in my house. I use air conditioning. And so what that means is throughout like I live in Perth Western Australia. So this is a very hot season for us at the moment. It's just right at December as all that means is because we have air conditioning you don't have to endure the heat of Summer. You don't really have to To enjoy a 40-degree day for the whole day. You can stick the aircon on you can go to the shopping center. I know people that like, you know, if your house has too hot you go to a shopping center or something to escape the heat, right? So we I'm not saying you're in the old days you would have to have enjoyed that you would have been under a tree wouldn't stand out in the hot sun at 40 degrees, but we don't have to adjust our body as much and in an aging which is the oldest. Sort of fundamental text of Chinese medicine. Let's say one of the things that it says is don't hate the season right one of the things that it's kind of telling us in how to live in harmony without with the environment is if you do this in this in this in summer, you will enjoy the summer season and then you'll suit to The Following season and if you do this this and this in the summer season in the Autumn, then you'll injure, you know, you'll be ready for your body will be prepared for the winter and it's this idea that okay seasons change and and things do change. Change now so and our body and our minds and how we function. What is we can't have the same expectations of our body and we shouldn't really place the same expectations on our body in all those seasons. And that's a very anti productive way of thinking possibly my phone beeping away technology messages comes back them. And one thing I think so Technologies enabled us to kind of function at the same. As we like we don't have to be at the mercy of the environment and that can be a great thing that can be really good thing for productivity. So let's say I decide you know, three o'clock in the morning I want to do something I can I can turn the lights on I can turn my computer on I can you know, crank it all up and I can do something if I want to run an office and it's 40 degrees. I can put the aircon on and you know, all those workers are pretty comfortable in that comfortable it so he were maintaining this comfortable environment and we not so Of having to enjoy very cold or having to enjoy very hot same as with, you know winter there. And and so I'm not saying we have to go back to the Dark Ages and not have those things. But what is that doing to our body? And what is that doing to our lifestyle in general? And one thing that these seasonal things make us do is they make us rest they make us like because you cannot be that productive. You have to rest you have to have a little bit. down time I guess and so something that I find in our world at the moment is that there's a there's I mean, I don't want this video is too serious to be a rant on society, but it's kind of inseparable and that's why I love Chinese medicine so much because it's this understanding of how interconnected everything is how interconnected our body is meant to be with the environment and some of the problems that we're coming across as a society as a general and just you as an individual watching this can be because of that disconnection. I'm talking to myself as well. I'm one of those people that will get up at three o'clock in the morning to I'm a music musician as well. Right? And so what I owe, you know, if I don't get up at three o'clock in the morning very often, but what I'm saying is society lets me do that and actually rewards you for doing that in some ways because it's like well whoever can produce the most whoever's the most productive in a commune capitalist commercial kind of society that's rewarded right? It's rewarded by how much you can produce and how good you can be and so Always about getting more and more more and where does it end? Where does where does this kind of stuff and right even on this channel on this YouTube channel, like how many videos I can make if I can make five videos a week or three videos a week or you know, like if you were making one now make two and Melmac and if you're making to now make three now, I make five make one a day to keep pushing out that content like follow Gary Vee as a guess a person that I follow a safe. We like I admire what he's doing and I you know as a business person like I follow several different business people will recently when I went to his conference. He's telling people would put out a hundred pieces of content a day now that's like on Twitter or Facebook Tick-Tock LinkedIn all this kind of stuff, right? So he say if you want to be competitive in our environment. I'm not having a go at that. I'm saying that you do need to do that. Like I can see that you need to do that. But you can see me sighing. All right, it's very hard for a one man band business to be able to do that now half of his audience. If not more a one-man band type of businesses and he's saying well to be competitive in this environment. That's what you need to be doing. You need to be creative. You know, you need to be having 20 stories on your Facebook or Instagram and you know several Tip-Top videos and some of that content can be the same or similar but it's what he's it's you still basically putting Content all the time and to be up to be noticed to get attention and that's what you need in this environment to succeed. And so I guess I'm making this series because the primary people that I want to talk to in. This series are people that rely on their creativity for their job or for their for their work. And how do we balance? How do we find a balance? Can Chinese medicine help us find a balance between that and find something that works or how to how do you drive your creativity in times where you feel like you can't get it. So that's talk about living in violin. The in terms of the environment so think for yourself you need to ask yourself. Am I living in harmony with the environment or am I living in disharmony with the environment or how much on a scale of 1 to 10 if 10 was the most harmonious you could be and 0 or 1 is like the least harmonious how harmonious with the environment do you think that you are so ask yourself that for now like right now like yesterday this week. How much in harmony do you feel like you are living with the environment and Environment and you can create other environments. I'm talking about the physical environment of winter spring summer autumn for however, you say whatever you form. That's one thing to consider. I think it's really important to think about that in and in terms of that we think about sleep and die it. So those are two fundamental things that help us live in harmony with the environment. So in summer time, you need the least sleep in winter time. You need the most sleep so I know lots of my viewers and listeners on this. Channel from the US and you'll probably being in Winter right now. So you need the most sleeping winter. This is what I'm saying a commercial commercialized environment our society right now doesn't allow us to work less time or work more time in different seasons. Now, I'm not sure about this right now because I haven't been to China for two for a year. I think a year and a half. I've been to China but I've been to China over the last ten years since well more than that over the I've been to China 11 times. Over since the 2001 till now basically so I visited China many times and probably more around 2013 was a most I could get something to go twice a year. So I had a retail shop and I was going for business and so when I was working in a hospital in China, my first one I was first studying Chinese medicine. I noticed something really interesting. So I went there at a change of season and they worked less although they work Less hours in Summer and were given a longer lunch break because it's hot and so they were given more time to kind of like relax and rest because it's hot in the day. Some of the hospitals had aircon some didn't have are corn everywhere and in China it can get to like it's very hot and humid some sometimes it was like 42 degrees and really really humid right now. That was extreme, but I'm talking about Celsius. I'm not sure about the fahrenheit. I'm not familiar with that system. They have a rest. That right as in a rest, they sleep in the day and that's part of I guess the you can see that fade. I can see that fading away. Now that I've gone to talk the more times. I've go what times I've gone to China the more commercialized. It's become the more they're trying to come in line with the West you can see that less and less now in retail will sort of businesses. So let's say the first one of the first times I would basically have my time off from the hospital in the in the lunch time you go have your lunch. Break, and so when I first went there is like ball two and a half hours for lunch while that's a lot of time. What am I going to do with all this time? Okay my lunch. And then what do I do? Like everyone's going for a site now I was like, well, I want to explore China I want to do something so get on my bike and cycle around and everyone was sleeping like you would go around and straight. Everyone's just lying down having a sleep even workers on the side of the road. Like they're just all find a spot and sleep you'd be surprised where people can sleep in China like, you know on the roadside on their bike. They just sort of Slop over something in and have a rest and you didn't go to a market and it's like people who have got their individual businesses now because everyone's sleeping, there's no calm there's no competition of like well if I say if I stay awake in this lunchtime, I might make a bit of extra money because someone might come by something when I was coming to buy something then because everyone knows except I didn't know because I was knew that it was sleepy time and it wasn't perfect commercial buying time. So it's like their shop still open, but Little angry at you because you walk in them up to come in and you know just add them. And so yeah realized that now that's a cultural thing that's in built into the culture of several cultures that do that have a siesta. I'm a little out they allow their workers to do that and that and that's that's good but in our society in like, I'm in Australia, and I'm sure this is the same in the US and the UK, you're not getting a two hour lunch break two and a half hour lunch break even and a lot of people don't even do anything at Lunch, except they gobble their lunch down at their desk. And so that's not really living in harmony with what your body needs. It's not even allowing your body time to digest the food or you know to enjoy that part of it and to be in harmony with your body and in harmony with nature. So one thing I want to talk about is like that's a good place to start. Let's start with that. Let's start with how how much how harmonious are you with the environment around you so in Winter you The 19 says you should go to bed early and get up late. Now. That means you sleep longer it went up and then in summer, it's like the opposite. So if you think of sort of winter as one end and summer at the other end in summer, you can go to bed late and get up early what that means is it's hot, right? So it's hot it's hard to sleep. It's and so, you know you your kind of you might be a bit more. Maybe you had a bit of a longer sleep in the day if you're in if you're in China or country It allows you to do that so you can go to bed a bit later because harder to as harder to sleep. And because the weather's warmer, you can kind of do things in the evening without feeling for you know, freezing cold war as in winter when it's cold want to put a rug got like you're trying to work on your desk. You know, I remember when I was a student and I'll be sitting there trying to do an assignment and it was like you have five runs on you trying to keep yourself warm. It's not what up to a little heat especially if you couldn't afford like central heating or something and you're freezing and you're trying to do you're typing your butt. Cops on everything you see trying to stay warm and you'd love to just go to bed. That's the natural thing to do not to sort of force yourself to stay up. Whereas eating summertime. It's hot. And so your where is the Yang in your body is different in those different season. So in wintertime your Yang's kind of going in inwardly and that's why the outside of our body feels colder in summertime the Yang's kind of out towards the surface. So it's easier to sweat. It's normal to sweat. So that's one thing about being in harmony with the environment is sleep. So you Need any other two seasons, I like transition or Seasons between winter and summer. So if it's like Autumn or fall, then you're starting to transition your body towards winter so you so so yeah, it's a transitional between those two things. So summertime and wintertime and like the opposite times. So in summary you need the most sleeping with you need the least - there you can kind of use the other three seasons to transition yourself towards that with different amounts of sleep. So getting up early or getting it or go to bed later. That's according to the Nigerian that's ancient wisdom of Chinese medicine. Right? So that's what more than 2,000 year old textbook and then aging is like a philosophy of Chinese medicine and a philosophy of just how to be healthy person. And what is what the basics of Chinese medicine and acupuncture and herbal medicine are kind of based on these ideas. So our Chinese medicine Practitioners job one of their jobs is to keep you healthy as a patient. We want to keep you free of illness. We want to keep you. Not getting sick. We want to prevent you from getting sick. And that's how we want to prevent you from getting sick. That's one of the reasons why I made this channel is because this is my way of spreading that message to people what don't have timing consultations to give people these long lectures about how to help them be healthier and to be honest not every patient wants that not every person wants to do that. So, yeah, so that would be the first place that I would start is the season so think about seasonal Attunement how To the season. I you now it doesn't mean you have to stop using your air conditioning or stop using your heating. It just means to be thinking in more mindfully in off the seasons and being aware. Now. This isn't so much about creativity and that aspect of things but Jack definitely you get sick more easily when you transition very abruptly from different season. So I don't know if you've ever traveled overseas and one country has been very hot one country being very cold. Well, that's very it's easy to get sick like that. That because you're transitioning very quickly in an artificial way, you know in an aeroplane and so your bodies are tuning towards being let's say you're in winter. So it's your Yang's going in inwardly it's going right. Let's preserve that and so you outside your body's a little bit cooler and then you suddenly go into a hot place will then and there's all this Warmness around you and your game is kind of pushed out to the outside. There's no transition towards that there's a reason why we have Year of you know, 365 days and those and there's a reason where there's a reason why seasons take the time that they do because our body needs that transitional time. It's not very healthy to do that. Now if you did that once or twice in your lifetime, it's not a big deal. But if you're traveling a lot and you're kind of excited you're putting that pressure on your body. It's just something to be aware of now the second thing to help you be in tune with the seasons is your diet. What are you eating? Are you eating foods and fruits and foods that are in season now, I've got quite a lot of videos on different diet things and how to eat seasonally. There was one interview that I did recently with Jason Chong who's a Chinese medicine practitioner of Melbourne and that was something that we discussed on the in the interview and that's on the audio podcast and on the YouTube channel so go back and have a listen to that one. That's probably a good thing. Just talking about food miles how much food travels before you get it and that influences how healthy it is. Where's food? How long We've been stored all that kind of stuff so you can eat stuff that's seasonally grown like season like as in it's in it's grown in that season. If you grow on itself, that's even better or you become part of a food co-op or something like that and you're able to get the food like that. It's that's a much healthier way to eat and help your body through that way. So that's the end of this first part of the series. We just talking about how to help our creativity. And the first one is to be in tune with a if we can help our body be in tune with the environment the ensuring with the seasons throughout diet through our lifestyle. That's one thing that you can do to really help your body. Like I guess one is to avoid elders and the second way is so then if we're if our body is healthy, then it's easier to turn on the things that we need to turn on our mental and emotional functions that are related to to these different aspects in Chinese medicine. It will help you out. You can join me on the next part. We're going to be talking about emotions and we're going to be talking about things like a life purpose and planning and how what how our purpose is important in this how to find your purpose in life in a Chinese medicine way and how sometimes a fizzy physiological dysfunction could affect us in finding our purpose and being purposeful or being having a light having life planning and having purpose. So I hope you can join me on the next episode ads are thanks very much. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a comment below Fist and it's helped you for the questions and you'd like to know.

New series over the holidays ...mind body and Chinese Medicine. Technology means we don't have to be at the mercy of the environment, but what is it doing to us long term in our living habits and health ?In this series Marie Hopkinson, Chinese Herbalist and Acupuncturist from Perth, delves into the mind-body connection looking at the issues about purpose, meaning and fulfilment in life, alomg with other mental-emotional aspect and their interplay with the physical body - all from a Chinese medicine perspective of course. This is one broad view that looks at the importance of living in harmony with nature - sleep and diet are two main aspects. We will focus on sleep in this episode. How much sleep do you need in different seasons .... Summer, winter etc? lets take a look together In today’s episode, Are you living in harmony with the environment ? Marie's practice details:  MARIE HOPKINSON, Registered Chinese Herbalist and Acupuncturist in Australia (AHPRA)  Consultations for treatment (individual) please call my clinic office to book in: 08 93289233 (Perth Natural Medical Clinic) or  go to : http://www.bespokemedicine.net/ Email [email protected]  IMPORTANT: This video, as with all videos on the The Chinese Medicine Podcast are NOT a replacement for a health professional diagnosis. While Marie may answer your questions, all answers are not of a professional consultation level - it is impossible to check your pulse through the internet, hence Chinese medicine cannot be practiced properly through the internet. If you have any undiagnosed symptoms, or changes in your health condition The Chinese Medicine Podcast urges you to see your own doctor, GP, Chinese medicine practitioner, acupuncturist or other health professional as appropriate. If it is an emergency call 000 in Australia. If you are unsure if this advice is appropriate for your individual situation ask your own practitioner before applying any diet or lifestyle techniques /concepts discussed in this video. Marie Hopkinson and The Chinese Medicine Podcast wishes you the best of health and improvement in your own health journey.

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So like you should actually go to read that too, by the way for sure for sure same so just because you listen to our podcast or just cause you read our Blog doesn't mean you get all of us you get more of us. If you take in all of us, you know what I mean? Yeah, you got to read and watch everything and listen to everything and follow us on Twitter and Instagram. Yeah, Facebook not I do use Facebook YouTube. Yes hit up that vlogmas vlogmas is over LinkedIn when I don't hit me up on the phone, unless you want to recruit me for something. So since this is a special episode we are not Be doing any life updates. So we will do those and the next episode so get excited for those or you can just go back to last week's episode and listen to those ones. If you really mess this that much just saying yeah haven't listened to last week's episode. It was a Christmas special. So that's really exciting. Even if you don't celebrate Christmas, it's just kind of about holiday traditions and stuff. So you should still enjoy it. If that is for it's a pretty good one. Yeah, but enough of that aside, I'm just kind of rambling because without life updates. I don't really get to do that. So we're just going to get right into this. So we have questions that we have answered and they're kind of broken down into three categories. We have life stuff. I'm using air quotes over stuff Fitness stuff and blog stuff that we're going to answer. So in total we have about eight questions. And yeah this Going to be fun little overview of our 2018. So we're really excited to share this with you guys. We are excited and Tom is on my desk right now. Hopefully he doesn't hear expand but I cast I know our mascot that he doesn't know. He's our mascot by yeah, so this is our final episode before we take a tad bit of a break. It won't be as long as last time maybe like a week but We're still just as excited to record this one as we are any of the other ones. Yes, so you can use the time. We're off to go back and catch up on episodes. You have not listened to because a lot of people told me the behind so this is your time. Yeah. Why are you behind catch up? Okay. So doing just jump right into this. Let's jump right into it. Okay, so going starting with the life stuff. So I guess we're going to start with the sad. Stuff that's what I wanted to start with the sad. So we end on like big exciting happy. Yeah. Okay, that's a good idea. So the first thing is kind of weird to talk about our low lights of 2018. So Abigail if you want to start feel free. Yeah. So earlier this year. I didn't really talk about it much but my uncle actually passed away very very unexpectedly in March. So I came back from spring break. Literally the next day I get a call from my dad that At my Uncle had passed away. So I had to go home and deal with all of that and it's just been like kind of a crazy year with that because it was so unexpected and he was so young and just kind of dealing with that emotionally with myself and with my family and not living at home anymore. So like I'm not there for my dad as much as I wish I was but it's just been kind of a roller coaster of emotions with that but You know, it happens life happens and it's about how you move on. So we're slowly getting there. But yeah, so that happened and then also kind of over the summer. I just kind of lost my passion for the gym. I didn't really want to go to the gym. I was definitely super kind of lonely here because it was just me and Brad and Brad wanted to like do other things besides hang out with me all the time, which I totally get he needs to life too. But so it was just kind of like a sad lonely period of my life but you know, we're getting through it. So I think those are like really the only lowlights of 2018 for me that I can think of this far. Okay. So I guess my my ears are not really exciting. I studied abroad all of spring semester you didn't know so I left him in January. But while I was abroad I really struggled. With like depression and my social anxiety. I've never been officially diagnosed with either. I wouldn't say I actually have depression and it's just kind of like I get depressed really easily. I'm pretty sure I have social anxiety, but I've never been diagnosed with it. But while I was abroad especially the first couple weeks there I literally never wanted to leave my room because we didn't have classes for the first two weeks. So it's basically just like orientation stuff and I remember I went to the first event and then after that like, I like slept all day. I slept through events. I was excited about going to a I didn't end up going to any of them. And so because of that it was like really hard for me to make friends and connect with people and the time difference is really hard to like talk to people back home. So like while I was abroad it was like really hard for me and I was like, it was like a dark time at the same time as a really exciting time because I was traveling and I was getting to do all these really thing cool things. So it was a really weird point in my life, but like I learned a lot but yeah, so there was that and then also at the beginning of this year I My parents told me that they decided they're only taking a break. So that was a thing that happened this year. It doesn't really affect me as much since I am like moved out. I live in my own apartment kind of thing. But that was something that hit me hard as beginning of the year. And then also nothing really like Lolo has happened since the real beginning of the year. But like I guess the last couple months I've been kind of like in a rut with blogging not in a rut just kinda like I don't feel as passionate about it as I used to it kind of started to feel like a A job which I feel like all happens to a lot of bloggers but it also is because I am in the process of redoing it and like I told I will earlier I'm just tired of looking at my old site or like my current site because I think it's so ugly now that I know it my new sites going to look like so I feel like that will just change whenever the new year starts. But yeah, so those are my lowlights of 2018. But on to happier things, let's talk about highlights of 2018. You got me to go first. You want to go first. I think it's a good good thing. If I bring it up you can talk first. Okay. So in 2018, I well, I guess this kind of started like end of 2017, but I definitely have taken my health into my own hands, you know, I figured out my Xiety stuff and I'm on the path to figuring out like reproductive health and all that stuff. So with the IUD and getting off birth control and just or the pill and just all of that and I don't know. It feels very powerful to be in control of yourself like that and the other big highlight definitely happened in the fall of this year and I Really started taking my web development seriously. So I started working with my uncle's design for a mountain Denver and I have been doing a lot of work for them. I worked with my little box of tricks. I read in her sight and I am going to be working with the succulent company in the beginning of next year to help her reading her sight. So it's just that's just really taking off and it's a exciting to see like my life beyond college. So I'm just really excited to see where that goes. Yeah, speaking of Life Beyond college. So I had a really cool internship this summer, which I did not think I was going to get at all it was with a web design firm in Cincinnati. And I remember I found out about them just I just saw their name on a career fair like list. I didn't even go to this career fair. I'm literally like stalk their website for like four months. And I am right emailed them in like February asking if they're looking for an intern this summer and then I had while I was studying abroad. I had like three or four video interviews with them and then they told me I got the position and I was freaking out and then I was so scared that like I wasn't going to be good enough for anything but like that company was amazing like they were all so nice to me. They felt like a family. I'm so sad. I had to leave them this Summer. It was amazing and I learned so much and they're the reason That I'm doing My Capstone and what I'm doing it on and why I feel like confident that I can do it. So I'm just forever grateful for them and I may try and get a job there when I graduate. I don't really know but we're gonna see so that's one highlight. Another highlight is like I said sending a rod was great. I get got to go to five countries and I made best friends like in different countries and in different parts of the world because of it while I was studying abroad. I got to me to other bloggers three bloggers. I got to meet Cat K and then a girl called are mental, which is a UK blogger. I think I pronounced her name right? And then I just got to meet a bunch of people off like Instagram that I had like started following and I made a new best friend and he's been dying for me to say his name and a podcast. So hi James, that's my scars best friend. I talked to him literally every day. We Face Time all the time. He's the sweetest person ever and I'm waiting for his Christmas gift. He's amazing. So that was a big highlight and and the other highlight would be that I finally got a boyfriend and so I'm in to complain about not having a boyfriend but I don't know. I'm I don't know. I was really nice. I remember I would always a begun I started talking about boys. That's how we kind of started be friends besides Fitness stuff. So like it's so crazy that we're both like dating someone now, it's like really cool and I'm just really happy. So those are my highlights. Yeah. Especially like when we first started talking like spring semester sophomore year isn't in the like look where we are now like it's not easy. We were in such bad situations boys, like understatement a future episode to come. So speaking of like traveling and stuff was a favorite place that you visited this year, so Brad and I took our first Real kind of like vacation road trip to Wilmington, North Carolina in June. And that was I have my Dad's cousin lives there and she has two kids and so they have a house on the beach and we went out there and we got to go on their boat and hang out just in the sun all day and I got burnt to a crisp it was awful, but it was so much fun at the same time and It was just nice to get away and do something else. That wasn't like the norm. I didn't really travel all that much this year. Oh, I completely forgot. I went to Panama City Beach for spring break. You did I did that was also one of my favorite places because we met so it was me and my two friends from here and then one of my friends had like three friends from Kentucky come down. Whoo, and yeah, And so we get there and we're all sharing this one condo and we need these guys from Wisconsin like four guys from Wisconsin and we're like hanging out with them and then one night like okay Tom. You just want to sit in my lap right now. Okay one night. I don't know people just like kept coming over and we ended up like throwing this rager in our apartment and it was great and it was so much fun and The all the pictures are just like I'm just like sitting over there kind of in the corner just be like what the heck is going on here, but it was so much fun. And yeah, that was a blast. I totally forgot about that. I totally forgot I visited you this year that when I know okay. That was also another thing that yeah, and I totally forgot. Yeah, I'll be gone I met in person for the first time this January of 2018. Yeah. It was so fun her Knoxville. It was so fun. And I'm very I think with the other day. I'm very sad that I don't get to go down to Knoxville again this year. I'm all right. Yeah, we need to like honestly all the bloggers need to schedule like a vacation or something together. I uh Will literally sit down and plan out the itinerary. Just let me know. Okay? Yeah, like okay we're going here on this day and we need to know if you're coming by the state. Yeah, I will do it but my favorite place so everyone's gonna think that I'm either going to say Ireland or Denmark. So I'm not I decided to choose something different. That's what I was expecting. I was going to go ahead and fill in that question for you. Yeah. It's so I I really I spent five days in London completely alone. And I wouldn't say that London is the best place for me because I'm really not a city person but London didn't feel like a city. It felt I don't I don't know. I just felt really at home and at ease while I was in London and everyone was really weren't nicer upset, but I just kind of felt like I was there like I belonged and it just I learned so much there because I was there alone, but I also like met up with Will randomly that just ended up being in London while I was there and it was just such a great trip like one of the girls I went to high school with apparently Goes to School in London now, so like I got to go out for drinks with her one night and we just talked about high school and and I met up with this guy that was also sending a rod from NKU and we just happened lie to be in London at the same time. We didn't plan it at all and like it was just such a great trip and I learned a lot about myself and the world on that trip. So that's when I'll never forget and like I've Logged that whole thing too. And so I can always look back on it and like think about what happened. What time at what day and all the struggles I went through like I was almost homeless when I was in London you guys so like I because the COS I was supposed to stay at like I pre paid for and everything and I didn't know because of there's this law called Interpol which means that you have to have a passport or a UK identification to check in anywhere and I had never Got my passport when I went to England before because I was in Scotland and that's part of the UK and so they were not going to let me check in and so I was about to be homeless like but they the the manager took pity on me and she's like well because you're a girl and you're alone. I'll let you check in which was like kind of sexist but I was okay with it because I got to stay so is fine. So yeah, I that was a really good trip all of these things about Okay. So this is the next question is on that I put on here. So I Googled like 50 questions for like your interview stuff and this one came up and I thought it was like very interesting and it's what is the best purchase that you made this year here and so funny to this. But yeah, I know but mine is my Vlog camera. I bought my Vlog camera back in like beginning of March I think because I think I For the first time when I went to Ireland, I bought it off eBay. I have a Nikon J1. So it has like removable lenses and stuff. But I only have one lens for it. It's not like the best quality ever but like it's good. So I love it and I've Loved logging and it made like I knew it was going to be like a good purchase, but I didn't know I was going to use it as much as I was like, I didn't think I was going to come home and still use that. I thought I was just going to use it like travel vlogging lives abroad but like I'm doing vlogmas now like I freaking love it. Okay, so mine 100% hands down is my robotic vacuum cleaner that I bought like two weeks ago. It's like like yeah like a month ago and I think it just it just helps me because whatever like the floor is gross. I just feel gross. So like knowing that like my house is being vacuum every single day. It just makes me feel a little more at ease like my anxiety is not as bad. So it's just been super helpful and And I literally love it so much. I yeah, I highly recommend anyone get one. I really want one but like because my apartment and I always like the floor so dirty and it makes me so upset and we have hardwood like everywhere. Yeah. Well, like what makes me even more upset is like my roommate won't she has not vacuumed a single time my roommates and I'm like, can you please like help me? Like, I'm the one that cleans the bathroom. I clean all the floors, you know, I cleaned the windows. Whatever needs to be done. I clean it because like I don't like living in filth, but like I just frustrates me when you're like the only one that does anything anyways, my blue and no no continuing this rant. My roommate just got a dog and she like barely clean still. I'm like why you're definitely making a mess. I'm not cleaning up. Yeah, and I don't want to be living in that, you know, well like the dog stays in her room like so like all the she's potty training at now, but like all the pee pads and for like in her room but like your walk by her room and it'll smell like shit. Yeah, and it's at like no, thank you. Yeah. Moving on people that aren't ya know. I'm yeah, so we have wine written down question about Fitness stuff and it's what are we most proud of fitness-wise? So if you don't know last October my mono made a reappearance and I was out of the gym from like the end of October until the beginning of January actually Caitlin. I went to the gym together when she came to the hospital and that was like my first time back in the gym so fun. But yeah, so I am just proud of myself for coming back after mono and like getting back into the swing of things and like just doing Fitness because that could have been a time where I easily it was just like, you know, what like whatever like I don't really care that much anymore. I'm not going to get back into it and it was definitely hard getting back into the swing of things because it was Starting from like square one and a half basically like you weren't back at square one. But you know my weights were significantly lower than they were when I stopped going to the gym and it was I think it was harder mentally to get back into the swing of things because I was like, I was so much stronger than this one at one point like I could do so much more weight at one point, but like I really tried to take really this entire year to focus. And getting better at like form and focusing on balance and just kind of working on my imbalances that I do have. So I'm just proud of myself for that. That is like something to really be proud of because like for the loss besides this year and last year before that. I was always like I would work out for like four months and then I would like be out of the gym for like three months and then I'd go back for four months. It's really hard to like keep it up, especially like if you go for a little bit and then you give it up like after you give it up. It's so hard to go back. Yeah, because then you're so sore and it's like, well, I'm so sorry. I don't want to go back, you know, whatever but it gets better. So mine is I feel like all I do is talk about being abroad. I'm sorry guys, like I'm not trying to squeeze it in there on purpose, but I honestly I didn't think this was that big of an achievement because going to the gym was just kind of like I go to the gym like that's who I am, but I would post a lot of stuff about being at the gym while I was abroad and I had people be like, oh my God, you're sending your bond. You're going to the freaking Jam like that's crazy. And so it just kind of made me realize that like, I like last year. I Like that was the first year that actually did it consistently and so like doing that this year just made me realize like think it is a part of my life now like it is not something I will ever like willingly give up like I feel so weird if I don't go to the gym like so and just just doing that made me realize that like I had to pay every month to go to the gym live there. That's not something I'm used to either because like the school here like it's in your tuition. You get to go to the gym for free like I don't know it was like Really? It just made me feel proud of myself that I just was able to finally see that like click that. It's I've never really given up kind of thing that it's like fully like who I am now not like me like trying to you know, kind of person that I was going to the gym like I am that person that always goes to the gym. Yeah, cuz it could have been so easy to just be like whatever like it's too much work. Yeah, and like also like going to the gym, why was there like really helped with me not being so depressed all the time because it was the one piece of like home that Still had so that was really helpful. So that's all we have like for fitness and we think of more later we can totally that. I just put up a bunch of your interview questions. So if we run we have like a lot of time left we can answer some of these. Okay, sounds good. So next we have blog stuff. So the first question Abigail, what was your favorite post from 2018? So my favorite post I just recently published it but it was a fitness circuit workout. So it was like the 12 days of fitness and it's a 12 circuit workout and it was just like super fun to make and it was just really creative to well. I just like enjoyed being able to like do a creative process instead of just wired like writing a workout be like do this many sets of this. Many sets of this it was like, oh you get to like, you know do something new every single circuit and I don't know it was just super fun to do and the pictures for that cause me a bunch of headaches, but I figured them out good. But yeah that one I mean, it's like a simple post but definitely super fun. It's hard choosing a favorite though. It is hard choosing a favorite I had to but I decided on one now. I have one so my favorite post from 2018 was what to do when you're having a bad body image day because I feel like that's something everyone has and it's definitely something I still struggle with and it was what I got a lot of positive feedback about there was one girl in particular. I don't remember who was that DM me on Instagram about it telling me how much it like affected her and like really helped her and she appreciated that I posted. so just made me feel really good and that's something that I think everyone should know how to handle they shouldn't just think that it's they have to like deal with it. There are definitely ways to like make yourself feel better when you're having a bad day like that. Okay. Yeah I'm saying. I do like I'm also like introspective in this and you're just like I don't know vacuum cleaner vacuum cleaner. The next one is what it was your biggest blogging achievement in 2018. I'm a weird announcer. Yeah, I agree mine for sure is the whole Adidas blogger Community thing. I will never ever. Shut up about it. So I'm so sorry. I'm tired of hearing about it at this point, but it was honestly shocked when I got the email and I never thought I'd be working with such a big brand and working with a brand that I genuinely love and Adidas has been on kind of my radar of like I really wish I could work with this brand like that would be a dream. Dream come true to you know work with them and the fact that I got an email from them in June saying like hey, we'd love for you to be a part of this and now I get to work with him like every other month. It's actually insane and I never in my right mind thought that I would ever be able to achieve something like that. I thought you could I'm very proud of you. Thank you. Well, I mean I just didn't start this whole blogging thing like three and a half years ago be like I'm going to work with Adidas one day. Yeah, like it's just so weird, you know. It's so crazy. Yeah, I agree. My biggest blogged achievement was I so I've never ever gotten into like reward style. I'm applied like three or four times. They always deny me so I still use shopstyle Collective. That's like the only one I use because Amazon I just never got enough from it. So like I just use this one and I got my first pay out this year, which is really cool. So yeah, because you have to make like a certain amount of money before you can like cash it out. So I made that amount of money and I'm very proud of myself. Shout out to you guys for a clicking on the stuff and buying the stuff. I link on my blog. Love you is honestly for sure though. Yeah, like That's so exciting. It was so exciting. I didn't even think it happen and like I like logged into the account. I was like, why does it say $0? What is going on? On and then I like had an email and I was like, oh my God, I just got paid what is going on? I was so confused, but it was I loved it. It was good confused. Okay, so I have another question. I'm going to read a question. You can tell me what's dumb. If not, just answer it. Okay. I'm sure it's not dumb. Okay. What what is one event that happened this year? You're going to tell your grandchildren about Panama City Beach for sure. That's a good one. Yeah. I was at a party where someone shit his pants. So wait, what did I not tell you? Yes, that was the night of our rager and did he just get surgery? I honestly have no idea but yes. Wow. Okay, and the best thing is probably not for him, but it's on video. So oh my God. Yes Lord. Sorry. Sorry to him. Whoever you are. Oh my God, it's just like what the heck? Yeah, so I'm One of it I'm gonna tell my grandchildren is the freaking whole Escapade with cute train boy. Holy cow. That was crazy for short short story for people who don't know this. I was on a train obviously it one day coming home from somewhere. I went while I was abroad and this cute guy was on the train with me and you're sitting across from each other and we just kind of talked and then I ended up giving him my phone number and this crazy way that will explain in a future. So do whatever and then we talked every day for like two weeks. He asked me out I go on a date with him and then apparently has a girlfriend and it was just like we still talk like he's he liked photos of me and Kyle on Facebook. I'm just so confused to this day. What happened? Yeah, that is I will definitely be telling my grandchildren that story. Well, good luck City Beach and then I love floor Bama Shore. So like oh God, it's so good. If you've never seen floor banished for watch it. Um, so I don't know if this is a good one and it's going for me, but I don't know about you. So what book or movie affected your life in a profound way this year. The Christmas wedding planner. How did that profoundly about your life? I don't know. I don't really watch movies how much and I don't really read books that much. I know so I didn't think it'd be good for you princess which you know, Vanessa Hudgens. For sure, I don't know. Because I have a good answer you can answer it. Okay, so I'm going to say to all the boys. I've Loved Before the movie. That was it. I forgot about that because I forgot about that movie. Well, listen to this story. I just realize it so I re-watched this movie for the third time. Well, they're not half time on lot this past Saturday and at the very end of it spoiler alert for everyone who has not seen this movie. So Peter and large, you know broken up and it's at the point where Josh is talking to her about how she has Received a love letter and he's like large and you just have to go tell Peter and he's like you can't just not tell people how you feel about them. And I remember the first time I watched this movie when he said that was whenever at that time when the first time I watch his movie, I had been talking to Kyle and this other guy at the same time and I was so confused about how this other guy felt about me and I remember when Josh said that I immediately texted that guy and we had this huge conversation and then we decided we weren't going to see each other anymore. And that's why I'm with Kyle. And I just I just realized that the other day when I was re watching this movie and I think it's the craziest thing because I freaking love that movie and I didn't mean for it to be like a big part of my life. But now it is so like that's legit. Cool. Yeah. Did you cultivate any new habits this year good or bad? Drinking. Yes. I'm I don't know if that's good or bad but I definitely cultivating that habit. Yeah for sure. That's it. That's it. Just drinking. I think my peace sign thing really came out this year because I used to do it but I never used to do it as much. Yeah, you do it all the freaking time. I col makes fun of me for now. Like I will start from peace sign right only when I'm with him. He's like really you don't have a peace sign already. That's one and I'm like, I'm good. He starts counting them. You're not about 2019. Yeah. Do you want to answer this other one first? Sure. So our final question for liquor look back at 2018 is what cool things. Did you create this year and the same answer? Yeah, and it is 100% hands down this podcast. Yeah, we're like we did not think it would be this amazing this cool thing that it would take off this quickly this some Exponentially. Yeah, it's insane. Like I love it so much. It's it's so fun. And I'm so glad that we had this idea and that we went through it and we didn't just like say oh this is a cool idea and then just like put it on a shelf and never pull it out again. We put it on a shelf, but we did pull it out again. Yeah, we put on a shelf for about a year and then yeah, but by far it's so cool and Yeah, I think it's just like another way to bring not only not only like the bloggers are blogging Community together like with other bloggers and everything, but just like our readers like in a different way of getting to know us and it's I don't know it's just so cool. We connect a lot more people like we like while you get like comments and stuff on like your blog and stuff, but I feel like we I got more messages from the podcast this year about that than I did about my blog. In the second half of the year since we started the podcast. Yeah, and which is crazy because we're almost at the six-month Mark. Yeah for this podcast. We're like almost done with season two like this is the end basically if season to season two, yeah crazy and like we're on iTunes for on Spotify like how crazy like it blows my mind. It's all I love it so much. It's so great. It is so great. So yeah, that's like what we wanted to talk about with 2018. So now we're going to answer just a few questions about what we foresee in 2019, which is so weird to say. Yeah. Well 2019 is a big year for us. We're graduating. I know we're graduating college. I mean you really don't know what like this is going to be my four-year blogger versary in 2019. I know like to think of where I was 4 years ago, like applying to colleges and stuff like that to like where I am. Now, that's absolutely insane. It really is like, oh my good like I'm a completely different person but I was in high school. I was so mean in high school. I was just so unhappy. I was like I was so unhappy, but I've never told anyone I mean same yeah. Yeah, and so we're graduating this year. We're going to be getting real jobs. We're going to have a salary freaking salary. And if so exciting we should be able to visit each other because we have a salary I'm gonna have money like not just like Going paycheck to paint while paycheck to paycheck like monthly deposits for my parents trying to budget my food. So I have enough money to do other things. Yeah. Wow, is there so like went are like your things top five things that you want to do in 2019 and you can't say graduate because you're going to graduate. We already know that yeah, definitely in 2019. I want to travel Or I would love to either get a job or position or freelance and be able to travel travel travel. I really really really really really want to go to Seattle and Portland like I need to do that for my soul to be like do I want to live here, or do I not want to live here? So I think definitely traveling one. I know I'm trying to think of other things. I definitely want to go ahead and go ahead. No you go ahead talking think I really want to get a cat and 2019 and if I have like my own apartment, I should be able to because one of my other things have my own apartment like either by myself or like with one of my best friends because right now I live with two people that I didn't know before hand. So I would really love to live with someone that I actually know personally and I want to get a cat. Those are two things Caitlin what we can have cat play dates. Oh my God Tom loves Cats like I loves to play with other cats. I'm like, yeah already know what I would name cats. Like I've been planning this since I was a little girl like and I know the kind of cats that I want like it's perfect. I'm so excited since you said something about an apartment. Like I really want to live by myself. I cannot stand having a roommate. Like I enjoy having a roommate but like also I don't it's nothing against her. Her it's just I don't I don't do well with roommates. I don't know. I just because I don't I don't know. I just like things like my way. It was just like freaking vacuuming. Yeah, but I think definitely living by myself, like officially moving out of my parents house. Probably for sure. I I had really I'd really like a year and a half ago up until like the beginning of this semester. I was telling people I was hundred percent gonna move in 2019 and I still really really really want to move preferably to the West Coast, but I have to get a job first so Two things get a job and move. I do not want to live in Kentucky or Ohio anymore. I'm so done with it. I don't blame you at all. And my my last thing is I want to go back to Europe. Yeah, that's what I want to do this year. My friend one of my best friends and I it's our it'll be our 10-year friend of our Suri and September 2019, and we want to go to Greece. So he's so fun that those are my big overarching goals for 2019. This is probably only for but my last one is I don't really really really want to hit 225 on a deadlift. Like that was my goal by graduation. But yeah, we'll see if that happens. I I really want to get back into like just doing the core lifts like just doing squat the squat dead bench and shoulder press. Because I did a lot of deadlifts while I was abroad and I got really back into it, but it's really hard to do it when you don't have platforms. So like I need to join a new gym. Basically what you're gonna have to yeah, and I'm oh my God I get asked out Jim's I'm so excited. Whoa. This is crazy. Oh my God knows she's gonna be crazy. I'm freaking out. I'm so excited. Okay. Yeah next year. It's just I can't even begin to like process. What's going to happen in the next 365 days? I can't believe that like 2019 starts in like 13 days. I cannot believe it's already 2019. I feel like I just graduated high school and I was like, I don't want some 2019. I'm like so crazy. I feel like I graduated high school at 10 years ago. It feels like that too. But it also feels like it was yesterday. I don't know. I feel old. So I would say my one giant overarching goal is to have me you Kayla and Gabby in one place and we all hang out together. I'm gonna say I'm gonna stick cat into that group. Yeah, but like I'm just saying like I want I want to hang out with everyone at the same time. Yeah, that is like so hard I would but kill for that we would all be graduated that point. So like I feel like we could do it either. Last year the year after yeah. Yeah for sure but it needs to happen. So if you're listening to this, please send me your schedules plan of giant blogger beat up and we can all go get brunch. It'll have to be in the summer for sure. Yeah. Oh my God, we could rent a giant house somewhere. And just wow, that'd be so fun. I have a ghost freaking out over this. Hello. It would be like one of those giant YouTube meetups but like bloggers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll bring her favorite wines except for you. Ha ha ha. Okay. Well, this was kind of dessert 2018 year in review what we're looking forward to in 2019. We would love to hear how your year went, which you want to happen next year. So, you know Hennis up on the Twitter or the Instagrams, and if you want on Instagram include as both and the message because that makes a bouguereau really happy. Yes, please I'd like to be included. So thank you guys so much for listening not just to this episode, but to all the previous episodes this podcast started in July this year and so it's about 6 months old and it's just crazy and thank you guys all so much for your support. Port support on the podcast support on our blogs everything like Y'all honestly mean the world to us. Yeah, so thank you guys so much, and we will be back after about a week break, and then we'll be back with more girls. Talk for you guys. Yes. We love you guys so much. Yes. 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Welcome all to another injury review podcast with been cooking nose and Edwin poorest heard here on the fantasy free agents podcast bringing you the latest medical analysis and injury outlook for players across the league. Let's get to it now with more unrestricted unaffiliated unparalleled analysis from the guys. It is Saturday September 21st. We are one day away from week 3 Sunday kickoff and you are listening to the fantasy free agents podcast. I am been kookiness here again with dr. Physical therapy student Edwin poorest and we are here to take you through some late week analysis based on injury reports news coming out and hopefully either put your Into he's or in some cases make you tear your hair out a little bit more a day before week three kick off. But anyways, this is what we do every Saturday week 3 injury report. How you doing today Edwin? I'm I'm reeling and I don't know about you, but I had a tough week in the the old fantasy football and this week last weekend because of all the injuries. I had some major Fallout. Yeah, I have I was watching was watching week too and I'm sure you were doing I'm the same as I was watching week to unfold and I'm just thinking to myself. I got to start compiling notes for the week 3 injury report podcast right away because this is getting to be too much to keep track of. Yeah. I honestly was I started thinking I need to start writing these down because I what I'll do on some of these is go back to NFL Game Pass and watch the play where a player is hurt and I just need to start noting. Okay second quarter three minutes left fourth quarter seven minutes left because holy cow. They added up this week. Well and it How you know me being an Eagles fan didn't help watching Sunday during the day and then looking forward to Sunday night and seeing the complete disaster that that was, you know, even before kickoff and then within the first minute or two of the game starting so will will certainly be touching on those Eagles today. Definitely want to look at the Chiefs running back situation and Damian Williams and LeSean McCoy. We're going to go through the quarterbacks as well. Drew Brees Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton and then A few running backs to touch on so definitely got a good slate going on today and I want to start maybe a little mini segment at the end. Edwin says basically any rules or suggestions. You can impart onto our fellow listeners and fantasy owners when they judge injuries or are seeing news reports or just trying trying to make their own judgement our analysis on certain injury. So hoping you have a few good bullet points for us today moving forward. Absolutely. Yeah, I had a quick question. Actually, is there any so I know you go back and using NFL Game Pass? And I know you follow beat reporters and that's probably the best thing to do. Is there any generic Twitter account or social media account? You follow for injury news. I know there is NFL injury news. It's at NFL injury NWS. They're part of the fantasy pros Network. They do have a lot of up-to-date things, but I was wondering if you had any other accounts that you would recommend for our listeners. You know, I right off the top of my head. The first person that came to mind was rehab All-Star he is and yeah, so at rehab All-Star, he is the former head athletic trainer and physical therapist for the Chiefs as in teheran Borgman Borgman. Yes. Yeah, super super smart guy. He's very realistic on the so he he has an advantage that I don't and that's I'm very open about that. You know, I have not obviously been around teams. The NFL and stuff like that, but since he's been around it for so long. He is very good at knowing. Hey this sign more than likely means, you know, X Y or Z. I can always give you the analysis on watching the video the anatomy and app, you know, the after the post the post game shenanigans that go on with injuries, but Aaron's really good of in the moment being like Oh, the training staff is out there, you know doing this or that or oh this week they did, you know their hydration plan. Changed and so he's really good with stuff like that. Okay, honestly, honestly though I got to be honest. It's I am like that's like that's like a person who's really into cars being like Oh, man, you've got to look at this 1964 Chevelle Model S blood well and like that's how I feel when I when I when I recommend these people because a lot of people are going to be like dude just tell me the timeline and the timeframe that's right. That's true. But see the problem is is you The problem is you'll have to report saying a timeline of you know, two to four weeks another report saying, oh he's up in the air for next week. So it's just it's a nightmare for us fantasy owners when we're just trying to get to the bottom of something and I mean, I see board when putting out a few tweets someone was saying why no update about Damien as far as what's wrong with him and his responses because we haven't been given anything to explainer analyze. So I guess the unfortunate Truth for the most part is just we are at The mercy of what teams want to release to us, I guess. Yeah, and unfortunately it becomes a game of strategy a lot of times in the Patriots are the freaking most the masters of it is, you know, like we talked about to kill Harry the first podcast we did together and I was like dude, I don't eat it. It's like a lower body injury. That's as much as I can tell you something. It seems like they yeah, it's like the it seems like the Chiefs are doing something similar with Damian Williams has well, you don't know which running back we're going to throw out you could we Thompson. Could we Darrell? Names Terrell. Yeah. Yeah. It's like well, you're just gonna have to wait and see when you have to defend against Damien Williams. I did pick up Darryl Williams just as a I'm a Damian Williams owner and I missed out on Darwin Thompson in my rookie Dynasty draft about around around early. But I mean Darrell Williams going back to last season after after the Kareem hunt news looked look. Pretty solid and you know a little rotational roll. So I was like, you know what? I don't have anything to lose so picked him up. We'll see what happens. There you go. Yeah, we'll get we'll get into all the Chiefs news. I want to start though with my beloved Eagles and the complete nightmare that we are going through right now for guys to discuss three fantasy relevant guys, Alshon, Jeffery DeSean Jackson and Carson Wentz, and I threw in there Dallas Goddard again, not that fantasy relevant. Unless perhaps your Dynasty but let's start out with actually. I was going to start out with a leash and let's start out with the guy. Who is absolutely Gonna Miss This Week DeSean Jackson out this week may also miss week for I sent you the clip of the his this last snap you played before his exit and you were saying and you were saying it did, you know growing right around his junk or something but is it an abdominal strain a groin injury? Is this a sports? Hernia are what the hell is this? That's a good question. Okay. So yeah, when I was talking to you about before we started recording was if you watch the clip you will see that he pulls up he stops running and he starts to walk his right hand goes immediately towards his junk and he realized I'm on national TV. I probably shouldn't grabbed my junk. So what that probably means is that it's a groin strain, you know, literally right around his junk and usually what that means is that he pulled something. The classic they pulled something to strain something because it was a non-contact. He didn't get hurt or he didn't get tackled. There's no traumatic event. And those are sort of the scariest ones to deal with So when you say, you know, is it a sports? Hernia? Is that a groin injury at this point? They're not really I think if so, I know that if it were an actual sports hernia, they would have said that by now the the scary part about these is that they can sort of start this way and then progress if you know, if you don't manage it correctly this can become a situation where it sort of These muscles continue to you know be disrupted. The reason we call it. We lumped together groin and sports hernias and abdominal strains is because the abdominal muscles and the groin muscles come together to create a sort of corset around your entire, you know your entire stomach for lack of a better term and it connects to your legs. So all those muscles are Then I talked about that a little bit before the thing about these these these groin injuries is that they're so debilitating because I mean dude, you have to use his muscles for everything to get up out of a chair to write lay down to get up out of bed. Even if you're not doing you know, if you're not performing elite football tasks at practice or in a game if you're using these muscles all day, so you really have to let them sort of regain their regain their stability and integrity. So that's what makes these a little a little tricky so I wouldn't be surprised. And like you said earlier, you know, and you surprised me miss another three weeks and I wouldn't either. Yeah, so and for a burner like like dashon, that's what they would they benefit more from holding him out a cup of maybe one or two extra weeks just to allow for a little more time to heal. So when he gets back out there, he does bring his speed which is pretty much what he Prides himself on to what I mean might they take an extra week or two even if he seems like he's okay. Absolutely, especially given his age. No, he's not an ass. He's not a Sprite Sprite woman anymore at this point so it would be an obviously that's going to be up to the team and him and to DeSean Jackson and you know, the Eagles organization the Eagles though are they're pretty smart as a whole log give him credit for that. They're like the first two other than the Patriots to implement the analytics department and all that. So I expect them to manage this curve managed to this well, and yes, I took the short answer is yes. They if they get to a Friday or Saturday in a few weeks and he's saying I just I mean I can like if I could go I can but I'm not like 100% then The Prudent decision would be yes. Let's wait until next week then because if you're almost there this week, then we can be pretty confident that next week. You will be well, let me let me ask you this. I mean to Sean as with many other very competitive athletes. I highly doubt depending I guess depending on the situation he would say oh if you need me. To go I can but I'm not feeling great. I mean, it's he seems like the kind of guy who would say. Yep. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Let's go. Would it then fall on the medical staff to maybe observe him in practice and until Peterson? Okay, II know he says he's good to go. But we're still observing this during practice with that be up to them. Yeah. Definitely. It's going to be where your medical team and the coach and the sort of I know that sucks to say this because they're professional athletes there. Adults, but a lot of times you do have to sort of protect these guys from themselves and other yeah. Otherwise it just it can be. Yeah, it can get bad. Yes. So the short answer is yes, but yeah, it's hard to tell a dude who's been competing in professional football for you know, 10 years at this point to be like, you know what you're actually not going to you're not going to play this weekend. So yes, it would be sort of a joint decision there and the hope is that you know, cooler heads will prevail and They would tell Deshawn. Hey, man, you don't think you're ready. But of course if he ends up saying I'm ready and it's time to go. There's you know, he's an adult. He's professional you can make his own decisions so out for out for this week after tomorrow and I mean the Eagles play Thursday. There's I don't see any realistic shot of him playing more next week. Yeah. So so Eagles fans or DeSean Jackson owners be prepared for him to probably miss the next. Two maybe even three weeks while he recovers from this onto the Eagles other starting wide receiver Alshon, Jeffery questionable with a calf injury, but he didn't participate all this week. I mean Peterson did he can't completely cancel practice on Wednesday just because of the state of things and just saw that through. Yeah, which I know is not out of the ordinary come week 14 or 15 or 16 or 17. But I mean, this is absolutely great. So yeah, he canceled practice and just did a walkthrough outright on Wednesday. What do you think of Jeffrey's chances of going this week? I mean technically he's questionable, but I'm not very optimistic about him playing tomorrow. So I'm not either. Yeah, but what makes me hesitate is his when he sees that Dallas God, it's out when he sees that DeSean Jackson's out when he sees that a lot of you I could even Corey Clement with Right, isn't he here to uh, yeah wrist injury. I think yeah on the on the kickoff. He that he fumbled someone looks just tore his arm to the side and he came off instantly holding his arm. Yeah, so he it's not I mean, it's within the realm of possibilities that Alshon Jeffery looking around going well shit. I have to play right, you know, that's and I think that could play in here because so and if he does end up playing which I honestly don't expect him to but if he doesn't I'm playing expect reduced production expect them to use these as a decoy. He probably will play limited snaps and that's just because he had a calf strain in caps trains can get really nasty for receivers. I've talked about this before you need your calves to push off the ground to Sprint to jump up in the air to cut, you know calves are super important almost as important as hamstrings and I just eat like I said, if he does play it'll be more as decoy there Peterson said on Friday and This is I guess this is just some of the phrasing that drives us crazy when he announced that dashon is out. He says I'm still optimistic about Jeffrey like okay. Yeah, seriously, we're all optimistic. We're all optimistic, but we all have to live in reality to so history of saying he that you've been optimistic about players and then then just not not playing, you know, he's that he's an optimistic. He's an optimistic guy. He's not scary guy with her. Tony says we all know. Yeah, so I guess I mean probably probably at this point the definition of a game-time decision, so certainly everyone be on the lookout be on the lookout of for the Eagles injury injury report tomorrow moving on. I have mentioned Dallas Goddard before mentioned Dallas car before we don't need to spend too much. Time on him. So it just in terms of fantasy relevance, but he is also questionable with a calf injury. He got it in a limited practice yesterday, but you know, he's young. I don't know. I don't really see them forcing him to go out and play if if they need to certainly we saw last week from an observational perspective lack of two tight end sets and how it did impact the running game a little bit but Dallas Goddard, I'm not sure if you have anything up to date on him, but again a calf injury, which is never a good. Good thing it can linger limited practice yesterday. So I guess he'll be another game time decision and we'll see what happens tomorrow at one o'clock. Yeah, he does if he does play I expect it to be more he'll expect him to be more of an in line blocking decoy issue as well. Just like Alshon is because like, I mean those skilled players on the Eagles are dude, they don't they isn't it. I think Earth's and Goddard or they're only tiny hands, right? Yeah. They had crept. Who was it? I know they had Josh. Perkins before oh yeah, Josh dragons before well, no and you know I shouldn't have said not quite fantasy relevant because because while you may not be starting Goddard as you're starting tight end or Flex that is someone who you probably have mile Sanders and Jordan Howard both Ross third and probably starting depending on your league. So that does have fantasy implications there. So again, I'll show on Jeffrey and Dallas Goddard Eagles kickoff at one o'clock. So the good news News is is that it's not you know, a Sunday night game or a fork lock start. So we'll find out once they release an actives at 11:30 11:45 or so. And then then we get to the guy who you know that everyone is looking at Carson Wentz full practice this week and looked fine in practice. But you know, we don't exactly know. I feel like what happened and week to he left her a few snaps at the very very end of the second quarter. Came back out everyone all over social media was ribs ribs ribs chest injury, but he was evaluated for concussion. And again, I know Peterson cancel practice on Wednesday, but he got in full practice and was looking fine. I was watching a few videos. So what are your thoughts on Carson Wentz is status. We know what not not hissed not like whether or not he's going to play he's going to play, you know full go that is not even a question. But in terms of I guess him getting evaluated you saw the Hit he took so yeah, just a couple thoughts on on Wentz. Yeah, so he did get a little bit rattled on that play. You know, there's not you can't ignore that what I think the big the big issue with, you know, obviously everything that's going on with concussions and CTE. I think this was more of an NFL independent neurologist being like hey do today we gotta come out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we could got at least look at them. They've taken a lot of flack. I thought there was a big pretty big controversy a So week one Sterling Shepherd got a concussion, but he actually finished that game and then was ruled out for week 2 so that's the NFL's at like under some serious scrutiny for that as they should be. I don't know how that happens. So, you know, I think this is just more of them covering their bases. He dude. I respect the hell out of Carson Wentz the dude is just freaking tougher than Nails. He came back in that game. Their game plan was scrapped their players were hurt and he just like willed that team at the very end and then he getting heated pretty Everything he could he did sorted rub the hate it no, no, no heat. No he did. Yeah, he's gonna be fine. Yeah. There you go. That's that's all everyone needs to hear. He's going to be fine. Let's see. I don't want to make too too much of it moving on to the other team that has a bunch of fantasy injury implications Damien Williams and LeSean McCoy. The situation is a little clearer now in that Damien Williams was ruled out and it looks like LeSean McCoy will play he was limited in practice. Week with the ankle issue issue, but just to touch on Williams first, he's out with the knee injury. I believe it's a knee contusion. So we don't have to you know talk about you know, what can we can expect and his situation but I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about knee injuries in general aside from things like, you know, ACL MCL PCL and meniscus. Obviously, it's wondering if you saw when or what happened. I couldn't find the video or the snap. That caused it but when it comes to knee contusions and I guess the limited amount of information we know he's out this week. What can we expect moving forward? So yes, and I actually was just sorry you probably heard that I am looking at the video again the last snap of the last carry that Damien Williams had and so if you put that together with the reports from the Chiefs, they are saying that he has a bone contusion a bone bruise essentially and The thing about Bone bruises is that they sound minor and they sound like oh, you just got a bruise, you know tough it out. Wow, put some rice with ice and then he did. Yeah, so they're actually really they can get really nasty. So essentially would have Bone bruises is inflammation of the of the outer layer of the bone. And so you have the hard bone right obviously and then you have a layer it's almost you can almost. Give it like a as a Saran Wrap layer and it's right. It's a periosteal paradoxical done and you can actually like bruise that and what happens is it, you know, there's a bunch of inflammation that comes to that. It's that part of the that part of the bone. It's super painful and it causes you to be able to not basically move your leg because of the pain and so it's sort of like a vicious cycle that goes on for a couple of few weeks and they're not fun. So essentially with if it's a true bone. Conclusion that that is good that this happening with Damian Williams. He might miss next week to depending on how severe it is. And if it's a true bone contusion bone bruise, so he's knows he's dealing with a lot of pain right now then with yeah. Yeah. So these are very very much sort of driven by paying their self limiting to a certain extent their self-limiting cause inflammation does eventually go down but they're just not fun and Bone always takes forever to heal just because it's it's, you know, it's live tissue but But it's takes a little bit of time for them to come around. And so I would expect Damian Williams to potentially miss next week too. But those are generally what speaking the if you're thinking of an e like a knee injury. I know you said, you know, you have ACL PCL MCL meniscus. And those are if you get a bone contusion, those are pretty brutal to okay. Alright, alright, so I guess yes stay tuned. We'll see what we'll see practice reports for for next week. But at least at least the picture is a little clearer for this week, Damien Williams. Out stay tuned and be on the lookout for practice reports regarding his week for status. But then to the other running back in the backfield or one of the other running backs in the Chiefs backfield LeSean McCoy Limited in practice with an ankle. He will play I was wondering if you know what kind of ankle issue he has and then any time feel like any time I'm talking about injuries to someone who's at a certain age. His age and Ankle injuries do ankle injuries in general seem to affect older players differently or do they linger any longer? So yeah, we'll start with that. If you know what kind of ankle injury he's dealing with and does his age and his injury history at all. What will that exacerbate or limit him, you know, theoretically yes and when you get older he's 32 when you get older tissue healing time sort of start to go in reverse to a certain extent. Didn't expect this. I don't really expect his age should be playing into this too much though. I honestly think that he's a perfect example of and we'll talk about this a little bit later when we go through that segment of General outlooks for LeSean McCoy. I think that what happened was he had a similar mechanism of injury. So how it happens at a high ankle sprain. What happened is they they took an MRI it came back clean, which is tells us half the story but then that very next that very next day. He tried to practice and he couldn't because of the pain so it's just it's what the medical research tells us. It's sort of played out in that scenario how an MRI imaging does not give us the whole picture because he couldn't practice the next day and so I do think he's suffering from some sort because of the video. I watched these suffering from some sort of high ankle issue. I'm not going to call it a high ankle sprain formally, but it might be some sort of high ankle issue and in these cases when the MRI is clean the way they said it is then it's really just a matter of him dealing with the pain. And that's really the limiting factor this week and I'm afraid that since he sees Damian Williams is out. He's saying to himself the same thing I wish on Jeffrey. Is he saying? Oh God why you have to play tomorrow? Do I right? Right, right. Well and but so is it reasonable to expect you some limited production or well, I guess it depends on just how he deals how he deals with it. Is this something even if it's just a high ankle issue even not a high ankle sprain. Is it something because it he's very much a East-West type Runner. Is it something that could affect his cutting ability ability ability to I guess bounce out or Bubble at all. You know it could Because the mechanism where were these types of injuries occur is where you plant you bend your knee your knee comes forward your foot is planted and then you get a force going downward so that forcep, you know sort of pushes your whole leg and knee into it's called dorsiflexion and that's the position of your ankle. And so if he is running running running, you know, Ben's his knee Cuts maybe something gives out at that point. It's just yet. So yeah the risk the risk of these players. He's coming back when they're still facing some sort of, you know pain or even a psychological aspect of like well, I can't cut, you know, even if he doesn't re-injure it's going to be like well, can I cut like am I going to be able to cut or maybe maybe I just you know, maybe I hesitate. Yeah, I go and cut take this up field a little a little quicker than I usually would or a little slower than I usually would it's it's too risky for me just to play the so like for daily players and stuff like that. I'm not going to play LeSean McCoy just like I'm not going Lay, some of these other dudes playing through designations. Okay. Well there you have it. At least it's a clear situation from the fantasy perspective in that Williams is out and McCoy looks like he will be playing we're going to take our wing toxin season. Yeah what it's alright watch Darrell Williams. He's gonna score like 2:30 to go line that touchdowns. We're gonna take a quick break to talk about one of our sponsors and when we come back, we'll talk about some quarterbacks. And running backs be right back folks. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast on anchor FM podcasting. 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So go download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started today and thanks for listening to the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled analysis. if your fantasy football and bedding needs All right, we're back week three injury report here on the fantasy free agents podcast talking injuries. We just went over the plethora of injuries for the Eagles and the backfield situation in Kansas City. And now it's time to jump into the quarterbacks my goodness. We are staring at a week that involves Gardner Minshew Luke Falk, Kyle Allen Mason Rudolph and Teddy Bridgewater. I don't know what goes where I don't know what yeah, I don't know what's going on with the world. Oh my goodness. Well, let's start with let's start with the guy who is out for the season Ben Roethlisberger season-ending elbow injury. He's going to undergo surgery. I was just reading that. Apparently. I found this on Behind the Steel Curtain been or Marquis Pouncey one of Ben's close close as friends and teammates said his elbow has been During him for years and not weak. So perhaps, you know, I don't know when people were ripping him in the past just as far far as accuracy or whatever. It was this elbow. I quit. My question is I guess what, you know when he comes back next surgery or I guess how long of a time table what are the steps in this recovery process and in general? What does an elbow injury affect the most out of accuracy release Time arm strength in terms of distance. It's and then arm shrink maybe in terms of any the zip behind the ball that he puts on it. So yeah, what can we expect I guess as we for timetable in the phases or stages of the rehab that he's going to be going through and how severe can these elbow injuries be when it comes to a quarterback's mechanics. Yeah. That's a good question. So this I know no I only ask a questions and you only have to grow this but you know, so, okay. I'm going to ask I'm gonna ask you to ask the listeners and you to do something for me touch her touch your funny bone. I mean obviously not too too hard touch Funny Bone. Got it. Okay now slide up like one centimeter and you're going to feel this really tough fibrous sort of sort of little bundle of like a connective tissue and it's should be really tough and it expands all the way across like your elbow going sort of going diagonally from your funny bone. So that's your UCL and it goes Below your funny bone to its huge the role of that UCL. The ulnar collateral ligament is to keep the stability of your elbow. Not just when you're throwing passes, but I mean when you're like reaching for things when you are trying to extend your elbow when you bend your elbow, so that ligament is super important. This is the same ligament involved in the Tommy John surgery that you see baseball pitchers have quite interesting. Okay? I didn't know then yeah, so it's not an ironic that a quarterback suffered it. Tommy John injury it's similar to what a pitcher suffers because they're obviously throwing the ball and it is interesting to me that Mark. I didn't know that that Marquis County said that about Roethlisberger so that more than likely we can say with some confidence that yeah, if it was bothering him this specific issue was bothering him for years and it never was addressed. Then this could very well play into all of the factors that may have caused the spinal rupture here because that's what happened. Is that that big ligament got ruptured and so he Doesn't have essentially stability at the elbow. And so it has really less to do with you know, fine motor control and fine, you know accuracy and stuff like that while throwing the ball has more to do with just the fact that he wouldn't even be able to you know, pick his arm up and put it at 90 degrees and have that stability to be able to even get to the point where he's throwing the ball. So he's going to have that. Well, he did have that reconstruction already. They went in and fixed it and this timeline is pretty brutal the only Only so I haven't seen a lot of NFL players quarterbacks who have gone through this rehab but on average for baseball players who come back from this injury. It's a 9 to 12 month rehab very similar to an ACL timeline. What I will say is since pitchers have to have a lot more endurance. They have to have a lot more connective tissue endurance and muscular endurance because they just throw the sheer volume of pitches as much more than the volume of passes. So his time frame could be lightly or you know closer to the everything goes smoothly closer to the 9-month mark, but this is going to be something that he's going to have to rehab all offseason. He his his availability for a week one is still not 100% certain. I mean it could he more than likely will be back by then, but it's not 100% certain yet. And so those are the things you're dealing with. That's why I made a joke before about somebody asked me about Roethlisberger and if he would retire and I It's like well, I mean the dudes 37 he just looks like a like a ticking time bomb out there running a straight up as you can and it's a lot different I can tell you this. Clinically. It's a lot different when I have a patient who hurt their knee and is trying to get back to playing a sport versus the retired person who comes in and they're like, you know what my long-term goal is in two months. I want to be able to walk up and down the stairs without an issue because I'm going on a cruise. Yeah to Very very very broad sort of ends on of the Spectrum in terms of what their goals are and I just say that sort of tongue-in-cheek, but you know if he wanted to if he decided like dude, I'm just done then he could sort of cruise through this rehab process not worried about setbacks and it'd be a lot less stressful and him but I guess a follow-up follow-up question to that in terms of the the timetable and you mentioned setbacks. What would be some possible setbacks that would put his Week 1 20 He status in Jeopardy. So he's had the surgery. I'm sorry. I haven't actually I didn't know I didn't ever watch if he had the surgery yet. My the last report I saw is just that he will undergo surgery reporter sort of stopped following after that. I think usually but I mean one of the the first setback I initially thought of when you asked me that was the surgeon can get in there and be like, holy crap. This is actually worse than I even thought that's one immediate setback, you know another That back is he tries to do too much too soon as these players are unfortunately notorious for doing and you know, they sort of overload the tissue when it's not ready with. I know another random example is Darius guys had surgery but then ended up having an infection in the knee, you know, you have all of these different factors that are we're very fortunate in this in and I guess I shouldn't say that's a totally different conversation. I was going to talk about our survival rates and stuff like that and hospitals but we still are as a country. We do pretty well with Orthopedic surgeries. We do pretty well with recoveries and and prophylaxis and turn in terms of Physicians are good of giving you know, the correct antibiotics and a lot of the stuff is regulated. So things like that, you don't think of often but these are still when you sign a ton. I don't know if you've ever had a surgery bent, but when you have a surgery they make you sign like a million different pieces of paperwork and if you sit there and read through all those, you know sheets of paper work. You're like, holy crap. Maybe I don't Have surgery after all. Yeah after all these risks. So those are obviously all of the risks that come into play before you even talk about the rehab side. I did I did shatter my right wrist once while I was in college and yeah got the hole screws and you know pins, you know forming a giant X across my hand and wrist on the inside. So yeah, that was that was that was not too Pleasant. You heard it here first listeners been was shotgunning beers with Gardner Minshew in college and shattered his wrist. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely Gardner Minshew. I'm trying to think how will Gardner Minshew was when I was in college, too. I don't know. Yeah that old man. Come on. Yeah. No. No, I'm on the wrong side of 30 though. So, all right. So so Big Ben now that's got I mean, I guess we'll probably be touching more on been in you know, hey, maybe a year from now or nine months from yeah, right checking in on his status. Certainly, if anything comes out over the next several months in terms of in terms of his rehab and Recovery. We will keep you updated on that situation on to the other quarterback that has a better timeline Drew Brees. Apparently his surgery went great. So questions for you is maybe if you go into a little more detail on the surgery itself and what we can expect when he returns to action this season. Yeah, so You know, what's really weird about this is that the ulnar collateral ligament of the so that we just talked about with Ben Roethlisberger at the elbow. So Drew Brees hurt the ulnar collateral ligament of its thumb and that's just like very ironic to me. It's called the ulnar collateral ligament because it's on the old like the side of your own associate chily the pinky side of your arm. You have that bone that's called the ulna that runs up and on your forearm. And so that's the ulnar side and and that's so these are sort of not as common as you think but essentially the ulnar collateral ligament of the thumb does the various has a very similar job of the ulnar collateral ligament of the elbow and that's just to provide some some stability. And so what they do for the thumb is they go in and they sort of a you know for attach it put it back to where it was fix it up clean it up and the surgeon looks at it and says, okay that Looks good now and the timeline for these types of things. This is another this is sort of the opposite of what I was talking about when surgeries go bad. So the surgeon went integer breezes hand and he looked around and he said okay, this is about what we expected. This is, you know too bad and he came out of surgery and went perfectly. Well the Saints didn't put them on the IR so that gives you some hope that he could be back at the six or seven week Mark. yeah, I saw I saw Ian Rapoport tweet when Sean Payton was to talking about that that he can be back within eight weeks and of six weeks was the initial estimate so but realistically seven to eight weeks you think yeah, I think that I think that is since I put it didn't put them on the IR they expect him back before that and we're starting to get out of the woods a little bit in terms of his post-surgical potential for post-surgical complications the further out you get from surgery the Smaller your risk is and so I'm looking more on the rosie side of Drew Brees. I would be surprised if he made it by six games, but I think seven or eight is very realistic but now because it was on his throwing hand when approximately when during the recovery process might we see him in practice throwing the but you know not I'm not saying the week before, you know, trying it out but should we would we be seeing him I guess a grip and start throwing a football at the week for Mark or Week 5 Mark, even if it's not I'm not talking about I'm not talking about downfield bombs. I'm just talking about maybe tossing the tossing the pigskin around. Yeah, so I would have to work that out to be honest with you. I had it and I lost it. I had that because I think I tweeted it out, but I know that he won't necessarily have any for the first couple weeks. He's just sort of trying to get that swelling down. I if I don't quote me on this, but I think that I don't think he has any specific. Contraindications, which means he can't necessarily do this or that he'll just be limited by sort of the pain and everything that's going on in terms of the incision and all that. But that is a very very good question and I'm looking it up right now. But as of now I can tell you that I should probably I should probably have had that up, but I can tell you that if you see I my guess is that you'll start to see him throwing around the football around week five or so. I think that's that's servant of the servant. That's sort of that's sort of what I expected. We'll definitely when the time gets closer in the next two months be keeping you updated with the Drew Brees recovery and certainly before he returns will have a little bit of an analysis and breakdown on what we can expect when he returns our third quarterback. I wanted to discuss was Cam Newton out with the left foot Sprain and I guess it was he was he had an ankle injury in the preseason that's been bothering him. So we all know how Looked in week to do, you know if there's a medical test and if there's an eye test, I think he probably you know, failed both of those. So as far as cam goes, what is a realistic timetable and what can we expect when he returns just because he has these taking a beating over his career. So now with this left foot sprain, we we know he's out this week. What are the chances that it the injury prolongs his absence, even if it's just another week or two. Yeah, so this is a very sort of a strange injury because I actually went back and looked at the initial preseason game where he was hurt. And I don't I didn't really see anything very telling in terms of had a specific, you know, mechanism of injury or anything like that and I don't really know what's going on to be to be completely honest in this is something that I was I actually Into and I was trying to find I didn't just lose it like I did with the UCL thumb reconstruction, but I couldn't find anything telling and but what we do know is that it's a foot injury and if I had to put my sort of project my opinion on what is probably going on is it's a mid foot Sprain and that's you've heard of the list Frank fractures, right? I think those have been those are pretty pretty down. Yes, so I don't I don't think he has a lisp ring fracture. I think he has some sort of list Brink. Jury, which is just an injury to the middle in between your first and your second toe in the middle of your foot. It's that that loads of ligaments right there. I think there's some sort of I think you have some sort of disruption that would got re-aggravated. And I really think that he's going to miss this game. I wouldn't be surprised if he misses next week and they sort of put him on the mend to make sure that this doesn't happen again down the road in the season, but the tricky part is that they did let him rest already and it sort of came Back, you know, he was completely off the injury report on one. Right, right. Well again for Fantasy purposes, at least he's at least at the situation is clear, but we will certainly keep you updated and in the loop when it comes to week for action and Cam Newton's health of his left foot few running backs that I wanted to mention James Conner Marlon Mac & Devin Singletary. Good news, James Conner good to go. Yes. Yes Connors good to go carter told you from the beginning. He was going to be good to go. It's called which is always fun. But yeah, that doesn't should always always good to be right Marlon Matt questionable and Devin Singletary out. So I guess let's focus a little bit more on Mac and Singletary. Since Connor is good to go. What can you tell us about Mack and his status so Mac practiced on Friday, and he was actually he was actually out the rest of the week. So this is Sort I was we were talking about this before we started recording this this segment that he this is honestly more of like coaching tendency. What do you think type question based off of like a fantasy analyst because you know, Jordan Wilkins and I am Heinz took all of the first team reps and then now here comes Marlon Mack who more than likely will suit up on Sunday, but you know, how much is he going to be limited from the injury? Obviously, that's the first question which it could be quite a bit. Because cap strains can get nasty. If you need a plan cut and the second piece of this like I just mentioned is what are what are the what is what are the coaching Tendencies going to gonna be? Are they going to split the Snaps? Are they going to keep them on a snap count? Are they going to give them a full workload? How much did Jordan Wilkins going to be involved? So those are the things that I'm thinking about which is why it sucks because this is a really really good spot for a Colts running back in terms of in Daily, but I'm unfortunately going to stay away because the risk is too high. I mean, I don't want Jordan Wilkins in there taking Snaps from I'm naive Hines taking Snaps Ramon. So yeah, I don't know I'd have to talk to somebody like Joe or Tom who might know coaching tennis is a little better gotcha. So yeah, we'll just we'll just be on the lookout but I mean if you have him for season long and he's playing and you know, you're probably still firing him up, but perhaps for DFS and might the situation is a little little hazier as far as Devin Singletary. We know he's out for this week. So, you know, it is senior citizen time. I'm in Frank or I do laughs. I mean, how can you not love Franco and Bobby is longevity and durability, but just as far as what is Singletary dealing with and you see it a bleeding into week 4 as well. So Devin Singletary has a chance in this week for as well. Yes, I wrote an article in the preseason about hamstrings. I think I might have sent it to you. Actually when I was reaching out to you begging begging me to begging you to let me come on the podcast. And it was about hamstring injuries and it's that same article I've cited before is the NFL the NFL study that they did for 10 years that showed, you know, nine percent of injuries or running backs 18% or wide receivers and what they found is that even if it's just a great one. I say that quotation marks just a grade 1 players can miss up to three games because of that and from the beginning I was downgrading Singletary. I was saying he probably isn't going to play that's unfortunately what happened. And and I can see this bleeding into next week. And if they miss manage it bleeding into week five and you just hope that they don't do that with a young player like that and you hope that the young player has enough Prudence to be like, hey, I don't think I'm quite ready. You know, there was obviously that's the case with a lot of these players every one of these players is a competitor which you know, you expect them to be as professionals, but you just hope that the the rehab team can can sort of meet with them meet in the middle with them. Well, and I think I think we talked to I know Two weeks ago we talked about the hamstring injuries and we were saying that it's almost like half of it is the injury itself. But the other half is the player returning before full health, which makes the injury linger more and more and increases the chances of re-injury. So sometimes even if they're on the right track and if the recovery is going well, it's better for the long run to just sit them and let them rest for three weeks or so exactly exactly. All right, we're going to take one more break and play a little game of Edwin says when we get back just a few rules that Edwin things. You should follow when judging injuries or seeing news reports. 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So you never miss an episode and now back to the unrestricted unaffiliated unparalleled analysis of the fantasy free agents. You have all played Simon Says at some point in your life. Now. It is time to play Edwin says five rules Edwin parse thinks you should follow when judging injuries, seeing news reports trying to analyze it just exactly what happened on a certain snap and trying to not pull your hair out that much. When going through the week and looking up practice reports, so Edwin, I'm sort of going to just let you take it from here and just give us some main bullet points that you think the listeners and fantasy owners should follow when it comes to injury analysis. I know we you know, we're doing this every Saturday, but certainly anything user listeners can benefit from on a Tuesday or Wednesday, perhaps when some more injury news comes out. So yeah take it away. Yeah, this is perfect and By the way, I'm going to redeem myself just a second. When I when I lost that tweet about a about true breezes thumb injury. Yeah, so I think the week five week four or five Mark which is when you'll start seeing him seeing him at least trying to grip a football. They're all football. So I wasn't wrong there the guidelines. I looked at were a little a little a little I guess not as accurate simply because it's for I think it was for a reconstruction that didn't go as well as bruises. So breezes Breeze will start trying to grip a football throw a football around 5:00. Six ish week. So now moving on the general thoughts on injuries are to sort of analyze them in the same way that we want to analyze fantasy football analysis and stuff like that. You take the information that's given and you try to integrate it into what you know, so the first thing that has sort of been driving me nuts the season and it's because this is my first season really, you know doing this full-time right is the people get reports on a MRIs and x-rays. First of all, their people will get reports on X-rays and they're like, oh it's diagnostic of XY and z and that's not necessarily the case because x-rays are only are only diagnostic strictly for fractures or something like that and the can't diagnose them with sprains. You can't diagnose, you know strains or anything like that with x-rays, but you can with MRIs. However, the flip side of that is when you when you have an MRI. Comes back clean and you look at it. And you say great the players cleared then you know, that's not necessarily the case the perfect example of this or I guess two examples who are on the opposite ends of the spectrum, but sort of display this perfectly this week is LeSean McCoy and James Conner James Conner told you from the beginning guys. I'm fine. Like don't worry about it. I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna play Sunday. He had an MRI. It came back clean. He practiced in full on Friday. Everything's Rosy and dandy now the the other side of the spectrum Bactrim is LeSean McCoy Lesean McCoy had an MRI. It came back clean. He said oh, yeah, then I'm going to try to practice on I think it was a Wednesday tried to practice on Wednesday did not work out for him. He actually left the practice field and that's because it was subjected pain report. You have to make these two. This has to be a perfect marriage. You need to have the patient report who the player report match up with what the MRI says. Otherwise the MRI gives us half the story. So that's the first I don't know if I don't really have a good name for this one. Don't trust them or I don't know. Well, you know, I mean yeah MRI is half the story I guess. Yeah. There you go. That's a that's a that's a quick thing. And yeah, you've mentioned that before that the MRI MRI really only has half the story. So MRI plus player report equals accuracy, but MRI alone still. Yeah leaves leave some inaccuracies there. There you go. So I think another one moving on to the second point that I want to that I want to say is watch out for misnomers. Miss injury misnomers are out of the bane of my existence and any any other any other person who does something that I do because I think that they get dismissed too often. So, you know one perfect example in this Nomar is a sports hernia and actual medical. Hernia is when you have an organ that sort of protrudes through the connective tissue in your GI, but that's not what happens with sports sports. Hernia is quote sports. Hernia Sports hernias are just sort of disruption of a muscle. Attaches at your groin that's usually a part of your abs or your lower leg or your upper leg. I'm sorry. So that's what a sports hernia is, you know for our purposes the I think another example from the Kansas City Chiefs. This week is Damien Williams, who we they came out and said, hey, he's got a bone bruise and people said, oh Damien Williams is a bone bruise, you know, he's going to be fine. He'll probably play on Sunday. I mean, it's just a bruise. That's not the case because Bone bruises can Nasty like we talked about earlier. So, you know, these can actually cause players to miss two or three games at a time just because you have that swelling that edema causes some stiffness in the affected bone. So watch out for misnomers because a bone bruise and or a bone contusion is worse than it sounds that's my second Point data like makes sense. What do you think know so far? So good makes total sense Okay, the third thing when thinking about is a player going to play. Verses are they not going to play Alshon Jeffery and LeSean McCoy are perfect examples again. So Alshon, Jeffery is looking across the wide receiver room and he's saying holy cow. I am I going to let jjr they go Whiteside be that, you know wide receiver to this. Excuse me. We refer to him as JJ. Okay, JJ job, you know be be the wide receiver to this week or once either one. Whatever the case may be. Yeah. Or am I going to step in and try to be that veteran presence? And so if they do you have to be cautious with what kind of production they're actually going to put out it's not uncommon for teams to use players decoys. It's not uncommon for players to come back before they're ready. And even if you expect him to play, you know, what type of production of we actually bring before you even consider the calf injury, you know cap we talked about it cap injuries are super important to what wide receivers do so those are the types of things and then you have LeSean McCoy saying You know Deron Williams or Darryl Williams, no disrespect to your fantasy team there Ben. Darryl Williams and Darwin Thompson are what am I going to let them take the reins here or my going to come in and you know, take control this backfield and try to contribute to the team even if I'm still hurt. So those are the things you need to consider because I think some people will co-active got it kind of slide him in my lineup that's not always the case. So, you know be able to watch for those players who might play through a designation so more so more on the lines of Personality comes into the into play on guys that are questionable exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so Sorry, one second. I lost I lost where it was. Okay. No your this is a you've done a great job working it into these the injuries for this week. I hope so. I mean, I'm trying my best here, but I'm trying got it. I got it. Yeah up to your standards, you know? Okay. Well for the fourth situation that I want to talk about that I've harped on before our strengths. Okay. So hamstring strains, I knew from the beginning and this isn't this doesn't take like a fancy education like, you know people in my field think that we're you know so much smarter than everybody else Away really not. We're just we take the numbers and we analyze them and you know, every every day person could do this with a little bit of So I looked at that study from the NFL. I saw that the average Miss games for hamstrings are one two, three missed games. I looked at Devon Singletary who didn't finish the game and we too and I said, he's got a hamstring strain. It's at least a great one. He's going to miss at least one game and I'm going to fade him since Monday and I'm not going to put him into daily lineups and I'm going to try to find an alternative, you know starting Monday and that gives you an advantage on the waiver wire. So strains on average per hamstrings one two, one two, three missed games if it's a grade 1 or agreed to to so basically any hamstring strain that apply that a player has is going to be wonderful time week on average multi week. So make sure you watch those strains and calves are similar calves are a little more little wet a little more fuzzy because there isn't a big longitudinal study the way they did for hamstrings, but on average, you know, calf strains are just about one or two weeks as well. And so you just have to watch for those players who play through calves and hamstrings. Got it. Cool. Last Point here that I want to make is I think that the analytic you know, what's it called a Twitter analytics Twitter. They really really dislike tape grinding, but I think that well, I don't think I know for what I do is you know is married very very closely to watching people move just like the DeSean Jackson thing that I talked about earlier you have to watch you know, when did he pull up? What was he reaching? For what depth is the city have you know gait analysis watching how a player runs and walks watching their body language, you know, are they protective are they in? You know, are they sort of holding your baby being shoulder those are all things that actually are objectively important injury analysis. So let don't let your eyes or I guess, you know trust your eyes if you see something look into it. Yeah the perfect example of this is Joe Mixon who last week played through that. An ankle injury through the ankle designation and I was like man, he gained a lot of whatever it was like something terrible like 11 yards or something. That's awful. He must still be here. So I went back and watched but I watched literally every single one of his snaps and I said, oh, holy crap like he's put his foot in the ground. He's cutting. He looks explosive. He doesn't he's not worried about you know, that that lateral Mobility he's doing he's trying to make jump cuts. And so just you chalk it up to he's feeling perfectly Find in the ankle looks nice and stable. So those are the types of things that are that matter right tape grinding matters and what I do and tape grinding matters when you're trying to find out what's going on Flair. Trust trust your eye that I have exactly trust yourself trust are cautious. Now I think and and I mean certainly for those of us. I know you have the NFL Game Pass. But hey, if you want to DVR the Red Zone and go back a you know, because they usually they'll show a lot of stuff or just DVR any games any games that are in your area just you know, I don't know maybe to elevate yourself to a little more informed fantasy player, especially when it comes to injury there you have it so Yeah, exactly. I think this is and these are you know, probably less for the Casual player and right for the high-stakes dudes who are putting in, you know, dudes and dudettes who are putting in some money when it comes to this, you know to daily and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, I know I mean I know as far as our audience goes there's a lot of people that just want to know are they in or are they out and if their questionable who the heck do I pick up, you know in right or or in case of that but I mean what we're trying to do. Yeah what we're trying to do here. It's just educate everyone a little more on I guess the fundamentals or the medical background behind some of these common issues. We hear so many terms all the time. And we and we see and hear so many times different timetables release throughout the week. So even you know, even for the Casual fans if we can just impart a little knowledge and even if we can make them hesitate when they see a report that says one to two week timetable, but they see hamstring next to it and maybe Get a little reserved and say hmm. All right, let's see how it looks in next week. And before I really buy into that timetable, right exactly anything else fails if all else fails and you are just like don't care and you just want it out feel pretty just tweet out then right? Is that good? Yeah, you're real good with getting with getting back to people. Yeah. If you do my best to answer questions, if you ask me a question, I will probably send you either Edwin's way or Tom's way or trousers light unless unless there's something going on with the site or if you have a question about a podcast or whatever. Yeah, I'll probably I'll probably send you in a different direction by the way, but and yeah where we sign off and if you want to edit this out you can but I thought that we'd play a little game here that's going to take us about five more seconds and let's play a game called get to know Ben because we've been you know, the listeners told us they want a little more flavor on these podcasts. So I'm going to ask you one question and I'd like you to answer ahead. What do you think? Okay. What is Ankou canis is favorite song. Favorite song Oh making a favorite so I can tell you my favorite group and I'll gladly tell you my favorite group because I know Joe hates it right here. So Red Hot Chili Peppers is my favorite group. I've seen them like six times in concert Joe absolutely hates it and when I asked I asked him why his response was because they want to remind you that they're from California to often. I don't I don't know. That means I don't even know what that means. But I mean that a lot of their songs involve the word California or cow are some sort of on / California. Yeah. They don't know why I like that. I like that. I'll take that. I like Red Hot Chili Peppers are there my favorite Bakery Anthony Kiedis has autobiography scar tissues, like one of the best autobiographies I've ever read in my life favorite scar tissues a song to write one of those. Yeah. Absolutely and there's yeah breathe autobiography. You can read it takes like a day. A to read or so favorite song though. Oh, that's brutal man. I don't know. I don't know. It depends. It depends Le depends on the mood that I'm a nice. Okay. What about today? Which group song today? Um this song that song that I want to hear today the Rocky theme song no, look that's no small stick with I'll stick with the Chili Peppers song. It's a it was one of their bonus songs when they re released an album It's called quixotic Elixir. So I'm I guess is your casual Chili Peppers fan has never heard of that. You're right because I'm a casual Chili Peppers fan and I have never even heard of that me. Yeah, it was it was released as like a bonus track. It wasn't on any albums when they initially released it. But yeah really good. So we have to give it a listen. Yeah and my good friend Graham and fantasy. Analyst Grand Barfield will back me up on this for sure. But but yeah brutal question are there you go. I was not prepared for that. I wanted to catch you off guard you did you did I was like wrapping up wrapping up the podcast and go do some, you know, post birthday stuff and everything and then you throw this on me man. I don't know. Yeah, happy birthday. By the way. I know I already said that to you, but I want to say it again. Happy birthday. Appreciate it. Hope you enjoyed your day man. I did I did was pretty relaxing and yeah do some family stuff today. I said Joe. Joe said yes these podcasts like how Ben turns 20 and I put out a tweet. I said Joe says this but my gut my knees and my back of my metabolism say something quite different than that. All right. Yeah. I did see that. I did see that that's hilarious. But I know I appreciate the birthday wishes and certainly we will be back next Saturday to recap anything that comes up this week. I'm really hoping that week 3 gives us a little bit of a Preview from the absolute disaster that week two was I don't know if that I don't know if the the NFL Community or the fantasy Community can deal with another week like this, but yeah definitely will be curious and we'll be touching on some of these updates, you know guys guys like Alshon and to Sean and guys like Damien Williams and Marlon Mac at Devon Devon Singletary and Cam Newton. I my guess is a lot of these guys will make brief returns and next week's podcast just As far as their timetables and week for statuses go, but you can follow me on Twitter at be kookiness. He is Edwin poorest. You can follow him on Twitter @ FF student doc any closing thoughts for our audience. Nope. Good luck this week. Yeah, good luck this week and we will catch everyone next Saturday and a reminder to listen in for Joe and Tom's week 3 recap podcast and that will be available on Monday. So good. Luck everyone and week 3 and yeah, let's hope for some better news this coming week than we did last week.

Ben Kukainis (@bKukainis) and Edwin Porras (@FFStudentDoc) recap the brutal list of Week 2 injuries and look at Week 3 updated injury statuses and practice reports across the league. They touch on Eagles wideouts and Carson Wentz (6:45), as well as the status of the Chiefs backfield (19:15). The guys then talk Big Ben, Drew Brees, and Cam Newton (26:45) before mentioning some good news on James Conner and the iffy situations of Marlon Mack and Devin Singletary (41:55). The guys finish up the pod with a game of "Edwin Says..." (46:20) and Edwin catches Ben off guard with a simple yet tricky question! A special congratulations to our own Joe Dolan for finishing #1 in Draft Accuracy for the 2018 season among 140+ sites and experts! This was Joe’s second #1 overall and third top-3 finish in the last 5 years, making his rankings THE most accurate preseason fantasy football draft rankings on average since 2015. Check out the complete list at fantasypros.com/nfl/accuracy/multi-year-draft.php.

This episode is sponsored by my go to stop for all things make up its Revlon. Hey everybody. I'm Ashley Graham and this is pretty big deal. We're confidence is key every episode. I get to pick the brains of brilliant and inspiring honest new and old friends who are a pretty big deal today. We are talking to the incredible. Arianna Huffington, you may know her name from The Huffington Post and 2016 Ariana left the Huffington Post in order to pursue a new passion Wellness. We have Arianna Huffington here. Thank you so much for coming on for now. I'm so happy. I love you. I love you you so I walked into your home for the freedom baby event. And you were interviewing Amy Schumer's well and you were just so inviting it was immediately walk in your home and it's like Its warmth. It's beautifully decorated. Your sister was so cute. She was barefoot running around and it was just it was just a really nice event and I just feel like that's how you welcome everybody into your home. Well, I love our kind of really Thrive tribe of women supporting each other and helping each other along the journey. Yeah. Yes stress. It's very important and I want to talk to you about Thrive, but I That we have to start with Huffington Post. Yes, and I think that you've conquered so many amazing things in your life. But what was it about Huffington Post that made you want to start? I don't read you written a lot of books. I've written a total of 15 books and in 2005 when I launched I haven't passed I could see that the conversation had moved on lie. Hmm that a lot of people were just having the most important conversations online and I wanted to make sure that people who wouldn't start their own blog. Could be part of the conversation. So on the day that we launched to have an Impulse to had Ellen Degeneres and Walter Cronkite was now dead and Larry David and Ari Emanuel from WME and tons of people who would never have blogged. So we elevated blogging and then we added reporting. We want a Pulitzer Prize. We added International editions in 18 countries and two years into building The Huffington Post. I was by then the divorced mother of two daughters. I collapsed, you know, I had bought into this delusion that in order to be super mom and super interpreter. You just basically didn't have time to take care of yourself. You just didn't have time to sleep or rest or recharge. And so I Collapse I hit my head on my desk in the corner of my desk on the way down broke my cheekbone cheekbone. Wait, do you remember the feeling of passing out or do you completely blacked out? I completely blacked out. I literally came to in a pool of my own blood and nobody had shot me wait. So when you woke up, what was your first reaction? Well complete this orientation. I didn't really know what had happened. Did you wake up on your own? It was in my office in my home office. And so literally my assistant was upstairs. It's like three-story office. Had the bag and came down and a second to the hospital. And the worst part is that they don't know what's wrong with you. Right? You know IG have a brain tumor. Do you have a heart problem? So I had this long journey of every test, you know MRIs echocardiograms Etc. And at the end of all the tests. I had one Doctor Who was acting like the master. Mind of all the tests and here's a bit philosophical and sardonic settle me Ariana. There's nothing wrong with you. But there's everything wrong with you. You know, there's nothing the medical profession you can do for you you're suffering from he called it civilizations disease burnout. Whoo, and he said you have to change your life. The World Health Organization is just recognized as As a real syndrome, right? It's no longer just a phrase. We use it's real it has huge Health consequences and it also has huge mental health consequences as we're seeing with the incredible increase in suicides and anxiety suicides. So were you happy to hear that? It was burn out or were you more upset? No, I was I'm kind of a bit of a node, so I thought I wanted to understand. So I want to understand what today is and what's happening and I started reading and meeting with scientists and really seeing that this wasn't just my problem. Hmm that this was a huge Global epidemic and that it had started with man who after all have designed our world. Although we're working on JJ. Yes. We are basically thinking that the way to succeed is to burn out you just Power through you don't really honor your body or your mind. I mean look at the cultural symbols and language we use, you know, you snooze you lose. I'll sleep when I'm dead. I mean I had dinner with a guy recently who bragged that he had only gotten four hours sleep and I thought to myself I didn't say it, but I thought to myself, you know, what if you had gotten five this dinner would have been a lot more interesting also it was it a date. No, The dinner with a guy who brags because so many people brag about how little sleep they get believe he was telling you that out of anybody now because people are so unconscious. Right? Right. They want to be like, I don't need fine. I don't need sleep. So how many hours of sleep are you getting now? So hey, okay, I get aid but I want to explain that basically the vast majority of people need between seven and nine hours like you maybe a seven-hour girl and a dog girl or a nine ogre or you may be in the one and a half percent of the global population that has a genetic mutation and then you generally don't need seven to nine hours how much sleep to those people you may need for hours and we feel great. I am an eight-hour girl made to thriving so and how do you feel when you get a doubt? I feel great I wake up on my own. It's either the Sun that wakes me up. I wake up before my alarm clock. It's the best. I like to be in bed by 10 p.m. That's when I feel like I'm in my best and what you said is so important going to sleep before midnight. Oh, yes key because the way your whole body works through the night. So what was the first moment? So you've now you've Fallen you went to the doctor you realized that this is stress or what we now have burned as that becomes better now and so In This Moment here you are and you're You're incredibly successful. You have Huffington Post. But what was the change that you said to yourself? I'm not this isn't success. This isn't what I want. You know, I've always had a spiritual dimension in my life and I've been very blessed to have had a mother who would always say to me. Don't miss the moment. She had a lot of little sayings the Angels fly because they take themselves lightly. She was full of really sayings so I knew that there was another To live life who are also realized through studying all this science is that that would also make me more productive and more creative that there is no trade-off. That's the most important thing to realize there's not trade-off between taking care of ourselves and being amazing at work and accomplishing things. In fact, the more we give ourselves the chance to recharge the better. We're going to be at everything we're doing because look at at what people say that they have their best ideas in the shower, right? Why because there are suddenly disconnected from their phones and social media and getting stuff done and the mind can actually receive the best ideas. That's interesting. We just had Meghan Trainor on and she has a new album or a new song. I was called genetics and she said she wrote it in the shower. She was singing a shower. I love that all the whole song just came out there. She was and you make a great point. Successes putting everything else down and just focusing on the present and connecting with yourself which leads to in my book Thrive. I call it the third metric of success which we have right here because you brought it from me. Thank you. I'm so excited to read this. So it starts with me collapsing but you know, there's a happy ending now, so don't worry well because you're here today at the whole point of the book is that right now in our culture, we think of only two metrics of success money and Stadler / power but this is like sitting on a two-legged stool sooner or later you fall off unless you actually build that third leg which for me is well-being and health wisdom. You know, how do we connect with our best ideas our sense of peace and strength that we all have in US wonder, you know, forget wondered. How amazing life is you're going to have a baby. I mean, this is so full of wonder hmm and giving you know giving is also Another part of a full life, you know, it's interesting because I think that a lot of us try to give back in some way we try to take care of ourselves and like, you know, we'll go to a crazy workout class or whatever, but when it comes to wisdom and wonder those are two new pillars for me that I have to take a step back and say, you know, what are those really mean? And what are what are things that you do in your life that contribute to wisdom and wonder well, what is great about you? Among many other things is that you do have a spiritual connection. Yes, and you pray and you saying and that is a great opportunity to connect us with something bigger than ourselves. And for me wisdom comes from the recognition that we are all part of a big Universal story right that we are not here like by accident that there is a blueprint to our lives. We all have a certain Destiny or leaving out. When we sense that it makes us much more accepting of the obstacles and the challenges and the bad things that happened because no life even the Most Blessed doesn't have that and it makes us trust the universe. It must be very hard to feel that we are living in an indifferent arbitrary Universe. I do feel more trusting of God when I spend time in prayer. Yes and meditation and I mean, I remember when Oprah started bringing in In all of this meditation and spirituality into her show, but what happened to you when you started talking like this at the office or whatever. Well, the funniest thing is that I didn't just stop talking about it. I started bringing all this coverage in to the Huffington Post. Oh, so in 2007, like literally months after I had collapsed I created a dedicated section at The Huffington Post on sleep. And I remember my board complaining about it because they're Was quite as a serious political publication creating a section on something as trivial and irrelevant asleep and that shows the difference, you know, the last Dozen Years because sleep now is covered in the Wall Street Journal the impact on leadership and in the Harvard Business review the impact on business productivity. So this has been like a game-changing 12 years. So it's taken 12 years for people to really kind of jump on board. He's and also You know look at athletes also, they have helped mmm because they I mean Andre Iguodala and Kevin Durant and investors in my new company and they have done a lot to show that recovery is part of a farmer's it is it is train like an athlete sleep like an athlete exactly. You know, if you have game day. Are you going to stay up all night partying know there's also a phone call that you made to Sheryl Sandberg and she had told you something really interesting. Which was by 2016, you know that was like 11 years being and running The Huffington Post. I just realized I wanted to basically help people lead their lives with less stress and burnout and I wanted to do it a hundred percent. Now this was that you made the phone call to Cheryl and I know we're ready to leave Huffington. Yeah, I was ready but fearful and doubting it, you know, because there I was, you know, I had built this big global. Enos I had hundreds of employees around the world but my heart was telling me that I'm done here that this is great. It's fantastic. I would spend the rest of my life running it but I would only make some incremental difference and my mission now had changed and my mission was to help the world not go through so much unnecessary pain around how we live our lives and you You look at the casualties proliferating you look at suicides and depression and the rise of diabetes and heart disease and they're all connected to stress and burnout actually 75% of healthcare problems and health care costs. And if you add mental health 90% are stress and lifestyle related as wild. So that's what I wanted to do. But I was also not sure that I was ready. So I called Sheryl Sandberg and I said, you know, I'm kind of a agonizing over it and she said to me this is not a cost-benefit analysis. This is not like a list of pros and the list of cons. She said close your eyes listen to your heart and jump. And you did it and I did it and I've never for one second looked back. Did you feel like you succeeded immediately? Did it feel like you were throwing yourself into the lions den? Well, I definitely felt absolutely right from the minute. I did it and announced it but it's like building a new company. It's like beginning with raising money hiring employees. Well, you know just everything that that goes into building a company. I'll question. It was much easier the second time because I had already had a successful exit right? So just much easier to raise money and it is much easier to have people join. And also I think we tapped into a moment in our times when people began to feel that something had to change when self-care and recharging we're beginning to be seen as essential for performance and the fulfilling life. And now there's companies that have like nap rooms or quiet rooms. It's incredible how we have a great nap time. We have employees who are new mothers and you know who the best intentions after you come back to work. Your baby may have had a bad night and you didn't sleep well, so you have a nap room for them. We're havin a broom for them and less special the other thing about new mothers. It's very important not just to have a place for them to pump but who have a dedicated fridge? You may think it's a tiny thing but breast milk is so precious and I've heard from so many women who say I don't want to put it in the general kitchen fridge next to the salsa. That's my babies male. Yeah. I want a dedicated fridge. So we try to look at what are the little things that affect women's experience at work. Wow. I didn't even know that that was the thing. I didn't think about salsa and breast milk next to each other. Now I'm just like processing breast milk in the fridge one. Yeah, but I'm also thinking about how I went to bed at probably 2:30 3 o'clock last night because I was a late night. I had a concert and then I just couldn't fall asleep. And you know sleep has been different being pregnant. Yes. Let's talk about that. It's interesting because people usually can change only one thing about themselves at a time. And I know that your answer if I ask you what's that one thing that they should change is probably going to be sleep. Well, here's Think whatever you decide to change whether it's sleep or exercise or nutrition. It doesn't matter every person needs to make their own decision. But you need to start with micro steps my God Thrive, we the work we do with companies on our media platform the product we've built the behavior change product is all based on micro steps. We need to stop making New Year's resolutions. I believe that it's a disaster, isn't it? Basically by the middle of January or the third week in January most people have abandoned them. And what is worse they feel bad about it. Yeah, the negative press in February. They feel they have failed. So we believe in what we call Micro steps too small to fail interest like so small. So tiny that you cannot fail like, let me give you an example how you start your day is as Pardon us how you end your day. So people can say oh you need to start your day with 30 minutes meditation. That's hard. He's always say you need to start your day. If you choose to, you know, make that your journey by taking one minute 60 seconds to set your intention for the day to breathe consciously or to remember what you're grateful for. Hmm, whatever you want to do, but take 60 seconds and do that before you go to your phone and that's 60 seconds will turn into five will turn into tears Runnin but you start with 60 seconds which changes the quality of the beginning of your day because just think of it 75% of people sleep with her phone's by their bed. And the first thing they do before they're fully conscious before they've gotten out of bed is get their phone and start looking at texts and emails and you don't know what you're going to read. I am so guilty and it will sometimes change the mood of my dad exactly because suddenly you may have read some that you don't like and you are not yet ready to deal with it you are in that little bit of that in between State and so what happens is that your body is flooded with a cortisol stress hormone before you've even fully woken up. So just by taking that one minute, which is not bad. If you don't have one minute you don't have a life. Let's face it. That's true. And I've night, you know, when you said that last night you went to bed late went to bed late and you couldn't sleep kiss. What is so important creating your own transition to sleep. Mmm. That's another thing we tend to do we tend to be on our phone until the very last moment. And then we put our phone by our bed would turn off the light and we may fall asleep because our bodies are exhausted, but we haven't given our brains there. Eternity to turn off the darn off and power down. But also what I recommend is a little ritual that you create depending on what you want, but I cannot tell you mine, please. I want to know so my ritual starts 30 minutes, but start with five, you know, right my now takes 30, but don't think that yours has to take 30 it starts with my declaring the end of my working day. That's kind of really important. Don't because the truth is there is no end to our working day now because we're Hustlers we're Hustlers. And also we have interesting jobs that we love so it's not like we can say Hey, you know, I have now done absolutely everything. I could have done that you can never say that ever never. So you declare an end to your working day and you mark that end by a ritual the ritual is sacrificing a lamb. No. No, I'm like, where's the lamb? Where is Bring in the lamb now. They're each one is turning off your phone and gently escorting it out of your bedroom. Now, are you doing literally turn it off completely. No airplane mode know like do not disturb. You don't have to turn it off. Okay, because I was getting a little anxious that doesn't matter. You can simply put it on airplane mode or simply turn off because it's gonna be another room. It doesn't matter, you know, whatever you want. You know, this is not like some Doctrine, you know, you must you and my swag this way exactly. I'll send you then started just you're going to create your own region. Okay. So the phone goes to bat goes to bed your Docket in very important. And then I'll go and have a hot bath with AB some salts a little candle flickering nearby and I have all my makeup removers laid out by my bathtub. So that while I'm in the bath and my brain is beginning to slow down decompress. I did compress. I also do something useful because I can feel you're like me you want to be productive like, okay. Yes. What can I be doing right now? We're doing right now and you can be taking your makeup off. Yes. It's what you think it is. Very important. I just didn't care. I do. I have a sleepover with your makeup on never doesn't matter how many bottles I've had or how sexually excited you are gawking have sex, but then get up and take your makeup off advice for everybody goes don't forget that you hear that have sex and then take your makeup off then I love beautiful. Lingerie beautiful. Lingerie. I do but my husband isn't into I'm a lingerie designer. I have my own life. Oh my God. I'm going to check it out. We need to get you some I'm like a major lingerie collector. My husband doesn't care about lingerie, but it doesn't but it's not for him. It's for you. But for me, I just prefer to be naked sometimes. Okay, I'll leave you like to sleep naked that start earlier and you sleep in your nice lingerie. I sleep in my silk. Lingerie. Wait. Okay, do you have Like an it or a bra night? Okay 90 I sleep and that's what I mean by lingerie. Okay night. If you don't sleep naked wear something that's dedicated for sleep. Even if it's a t-shirt. This is your sleep t-shirt not you're going to the gym t-shirt and on my nightstand is a pile of books that have absolutely nothing to do with work politics or anything. They're like novels poetry spirituality and I like And my day by reading something that's disconnected from my work and I finish my day by writing down three things. I'm grateful for all that's beautiful. That's beautiful and then you roll over and then I roll over and I fall asleep and my mind has slowed down. I'm not thinking about work and I remember the blessings in my life, but, you know start with a tiny part of that. You may want to start with just remembering three things. You're grateful. Wolf all while having a 3-minute shower bath. It doesn't matter and then you can keep adding to it. I'm totally doing it to the night micro steps. I love that. So Thrive what Thrive does is your company that goes into other companies right that helps them figure out how to be more health-conscious. Exactly and also prove to them that they are also going to be more productive got it that when they take better care of their employees the performers of the employees. Increases attrition is reduced healthcare costs are reduced. And so they don't have to be nice employers that just have to be smart and look at the bottom line results, but we also have a media platform and would love to invite everybody to tell their stories because we all learn from each other. Yeah, we do. It's about Community. It's about community. So we've built this great community on the media platform, which is really like the Huffington Post without politics. So It doesn't matter where you are the political Spectrum. We want you to come and contribute to this conversation and learn from each other. What are you saying to the companies that aren't doing these things that aren't implementing health or Thrive and to their companies. Well what's happening now, actually so interesting that especially in the last few months companies have had so many incidents of suicides depression and anxiety throughout the company. That you don't really need to convince them anymore. Mmm. Then now something has to be done. So we launched for example as well as doing workshops who have digital programs that are easier to scale across the world because we are a global company and we just launched one called thriving mind in partnership with Stanford that helps people identify what stresses them and deal with it before it becomes depression. And anxiety. I want to have people who are depressed and anxious, but I also also want to prevent people from becoming depressed and anxious had it before they get dressed. And and what we do is we ask people to identify what biotype they are. Now, we are at different biotypes. Let me give you just two one of them is rumination. The other is negative bias. I mean, I'm a ruminator I'm working on it but a lot of women are illuminators, which means we have that voice in our head that replays everything and judges us like before I started working on my Self intensely. I would have finished our podcast. Then I would have gotten in my car and my mind would have said it Illuminating or you know, what you said to Ashley about that just really didn't work at all. And then you know, you forgot to say that that was the most important thing and you forgot it. So my mind would go like a spiral with spiral and so why doing the podcast is fun and great and I live overseas then my mind who just At me and so people end up depleted not because of what they are doing, but what's happening in our minds, but once you recognize that about yourself you begin to create a distance between these thoughts and yourself, that's interesting. Is that in thrived you talk about? Yes, and we teach people that it's not difficult either. The first thing is to be conscious of it. We can learn from our mistakes, but that's different than beating ourselves up about Mistakes, that's so true. I feel like I'm learning so much now I can't wait to start reading that chakra, but let me tell you another type is negative bias. Like every life is a mixture right of good and bad but there are people were only focusing on the back and if you keep focusing on the bat you are going to become depressed. This is true. These are just too tight on it. So it's like fixing that thing that you know, that's bad about yourself or acknowledging it and acknowledging it and This is like therapy. It is like that everybody we want to scale it because not everybody has a therapist know not everybody does and not everybody has the time or the money. Yes. So we want to make it easy again micro steps. I grow stuffs are my writing the word micro step down the good work. I think it was it immediately takes the pressure off it does because I had tonight I imagined myself putting my phone and my bed talking it in and going to sleep and and having a beautiful night's rest. Yes. Now I usual eyes you having a beautiful. So I want to talk about you know, here we are were too successful women and we can create rituals in our lives and we know that when we go and we put our phone away and we can go and you know have a bath or I would like to go and just write in my journal. Those are things that that we've created time for. But the younger generation who's hustling who's going who's trying to get to a certain level to feel successful who don't feel like they can make that time for themselves. You know, what what Is your advice to them happy you asked that question because that is the key what they need to understand is that they're going to be more successful if they learn to put their own oxygen mask on first that is like the key. You know how we talked about micro steps. The other thing we need to talk about is changing your mindset changing false beliefs, which were largely created by man. Hmm, you know their work the world of work has been designed by man, and we are now beginning to change it. So the mindset shift has to be recognizing that there is no contradiction. There is no trade-off when I take care of myself. I'm a much better business woman. I come up with better decisions. Just imagine or remember any time you've been exhausted. I let me tell you about myself when I'm exhausted and It still happens sometimes because we now have a delayed flight something. I'm suffering from jet like something happens. Let me tell you I'm a work in progress. There is nothing I'm doing perfectly so when I'm exhausted and depleted, I am the worst version of myself. I really kind of don't like myself. I am less creative. I'm more reactive. I am more likely to lose my temper. I'm less empathetic. I'm basically not found to be around and that's not good for your career. Not in any way so young people listening who feel like they don't have that time and the day make it because on the contrary. You don't have the luxury not to make that time for yourself. You make a good point. I wish I would have known that in mind. I wish I would have known that in my 20s period you know, you are a masterful networker. You've created to incredible companies. You've met so many different types of people The Good the Bad and the Ugly but but what what is it? About you that like has kept you from becoming jaded and and falling into that lifestyle. I think I love people. I love learning from people. I'm endlessly curious, but I also love being by myself. I need time by myself. I need time to just read and think and and just be recharged and recharge. So I think this combination and learning that ebb and flow has been really great because when My show up somewhere when I shop at work. I want to be fully engaged, you know, actually, I spent many many years just basically going through my to-do list and getting stuff done and that's not long enough for me. I don't want just to be effective. I want to be. Joyful. Hmm, and I feel it's such a blessing to be doing what I love to be healthy, you know do have my family and people I love around me. All these things are incredible blessings and I don't want to take anything for granted and I don't want just to check the boxes to not just be effective. But to be joyful. I think that is a motto for life. I love that and for me, that's not a barometer. If I'm not joyful. It means I'm off course and you know, nobody's on cars all the time. I'm not on cars all the time, but I have now learned how to course-correct MMM and incidentally stress in itself is not the problem. The problem is Becoming cumulative. Mmm. So by the time you go home, you are like so wound up you're so right. You need to come down. But let me tell you some good news why I'm so optimistic that this is going to work serious science science tells us that it takes between 60 and 90 seconds to course-correct from stress. That's it. Yes, he takes between 60 and 90 seconds for the stress to get through your whole body and your mind. The rest is just what the mind is. Is doing oh, that's so interesting. So we have created, you know, this Behavior change product a feature called reset. Okay. So let's say you had some bad news or something happens and you are stressed and you can you know, how you can view this dress, right? You have already sent us the assets that bring you Joy whatever again very individual when your baby is born. I'm sure it's going to be pictures of your baby, but it could be a picture of you and your That may not be a picture you put on Instagram or that's beautiful, but it means something to you. It's just all about what means something to you then a picture of a landscape maybe some of you were that triggered that join you then a song you love right now piece of poetry a quad. We take all these assets who Hannah made them and put them all together. We add a breathing Pacer to remind you to breathe consciously when you're feeling stressed you play 60 seconds. Oh, I can't wait for that. It can totally Help you cause correct and then you share your guides if you want with people you love. I mean you'd like to see what does your husband put on your side of your best friends done. And so it reminds us all that. We have an opportunity at any moment to choose peace. Joy and strength at any moment. That's beautiful. Wow. I'm just taking in so much. I can't wait to dive into the book. Also. There's a quote that you gave when Over at your house for the breed of baby event and you had said mother for motherhood because I know that you really enjoy being a mom and I really love that about your Powerhouse. You're just so successful and then yet you're the thriving mother and something that you had said was it's like they take the baby out and put the guilt back in and at the time I couldn't tell you I was pregnant, but I was taking so many mental illnesses so many and I want to know if you can just expand. Don that because I'm walking into motherhood and I keep thinking about this guilt this mom guilt that everybody keeps talking about and I don't want that to be an extra pressure added in my life. So here's what I learned that working moms carry that guilt unnecessarily through our lives and we need to kind of remind ourselves that working doesn't make us less of a good mom because anything that fulfills us makes us a better Mom. We need to remind And us of that and for me, it's like when I realized that it changed so much about my relationship with my children and you figure out how you want to navigate that relationship. But let's throw away the guilt it's so unnecessary and so depleting so let's all forgive ourselves. We as the Bessie I haven't even had this kid yet and you're already guilty party thinking about the guilt that I'm going to have. It's just it's wild it's wild and I don't want and so I'm taking advice. Is from mothers everywhere on how to prevent it when we give advice? We also remind ourselves. Mmm-hmm. This is the biggest thing that I've learned to see ya talking about your own story things that you've gone through and I think that's why Thrive is been thriving. What's one of the biggest lessons that you learn from your mother. So the biggest lesson actually was around failure. My mother used to say failure is not the opposite of success. It's a stepping stone to success. Hmm, and she Just made I mean I grew up in a one-bedroom apartment who had no money and my mother always made us feel bigger than our circumstances not limited by our circumstances. I was like coming back from school in Athens Greece where I was brought up and I saw a picture of Cambridge University in a magazine and I got home and told my mom I want to go there and everybody else has said that to said don't be ridiculous. You know, you don't speak. Jewish we have no money and it's hard for English girls to get into Cambridge. My mother said, let's see how you can go there and at the same time she didn't make me feel that if I didn't go there my life was over so it became this adventure where we I learned English and I applied for a scholarship and bottom line. I got into Cambridge but it wasn't like this is the be-all end-all be-all. Yes. I know you're saying this. The end all be all exactly. And so that's the biggest lesson she gave me. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. And I'm sure you implemented that in raising your daughters. Yes. I also made my and and the book I wrote and becoming Fearless was also to help them take risks and choose to do something even while they were afraid I say in the book that fearlessness is like a muscle. Hmm. The more you exercise it the stronger it gets wow, that's amazing. Fearlessness is like a muscle Ariana. What are you studying right now? Because you're you're a master student. I have a student. Yeah a lifelong student. What are you studying right now? So here's what I'm studying right now. One of the hardest things has been helping people change Behavior. Mmm. That's my mission right now. That's what I'm studying. How can we help people go from awareness to action and what I'm hearing from a lot of the scientists I'm learning from Is that we need not just to give people micro steps and niger's but we'll also touch their hearts. Mmm, and that's what I mentioned wisdom and spiritual Traditions come in. We want to help people understand that there is something deeper in ourselves and that it's our Birthright to connect with that. So that's what you're studying right now and how to do it how to because I always like to study in a way that I can then give back to people. Yes, that's great. So, what are you doing now? Now with Thrive what's next for Thrive? So we're working with P&G to bring our platform to Consumers because here's another irony. One of the fastest way to change habits is to add them to existing habit. So let's say you're brushing your teeth morning and night while you are brushing your teeth. Remember three things you are grateful for. Oh, you know, like let me give you another example you have I read somewhere that you have affirmations that you use exactly you. Wash your hair while you are washing your hair do your affirmation. That's great. And it's also a great use of time. It's a great use of time. You're not adding time. What do most people do when they wash their hair? They worry they worry they overthink things over think that you're right. I mean a Dye process you process instead, you know, just use that time to leave the shower feeling empowered. I'm Gonna Leave the shower feeling empowered exactly. Okay, leave that shower feel Thank you so much for being here today. So my feel like I could talk to you for another half an hour of the best eyes. You're so present. Well, so are you really listening? Thank you so much. I'm listening because this is something that's important to me. I think that burnout cultures real a lot of people my age. I'm 31, and I think that there's a lot of hustle and go go go and and there really is something to the third metrics that you that you talked about and I think It's important to implement into your life. Thank you so much. Thank you loved it. Yeah, me too. So we do one thing at the end of every pretty big deal and it's kind of a lightning round. Yes, and I just need you to fill in the blank, right? Okay. So first is I pretty much always say yes to cheese. I love it. What's the biggest lesson you've learned this year and the biggest lesson I learned is not to be so anxious. Us when my daughter's did not immediately respond to a text. Haha. I'm gonna take that note as well for myself and my new baby. Okay. Well, we're gonna be wild solar texting. What's the biggest deal you've ever made the biggest DL was having the carriage to leave half post and start Thrive. That's a pretty big deal, and we know that you're a pretty big deal. But what's a pretty big deal to you a pretty big deal to me? It is to help people realize that we have that place of strength peace and wisdom in us. It is our Birthright and we can reach it anytime. We choose beautiful, Arianna Huffington. Thank you so much. You can't wait to welcome baby. These are. All right guys. Thank you so much for joining pretty big deal today. We want to hear from you on. 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Today's a good one. I thank you for listening. You're the absolute best tweet me throughout this thing. Tell me what you like what you hate. I can't thank you enough. Cheers their nanda's doc shocking very shocking, especially. People the New England area, I would assume to learn a little bit more about it. I feel like you guys knew more about the rest of than the rest of the world especially about the other two killings. I'll talk about that here in a second at night Marauder on the ones and twos tone digs tie Schmidt Jason McAfee, but it CJ and we're Jack and evil is Ito at Evan foxy inside McComas. I think to be completely candid while watching that Aaron Hernandez documentary last night. I completely forgot about Aaron Hernandez. I think the NFL and the powers is it be whatever it was eliminated Aaron Hernandez from the pop culture Rolodex so quickly that I completely forgot about the an absolute monster that was playing in the NFL. I had just watched the people verse o j-- Simpson like two weeks ago. So I've been all in on these athletes that just make terrible decisions and you know Murder humans basically in the o j-- one I think was much better done. I think it was much better done. I think this Aaron Hernandez documentary was not piece together that By the filmmaker, but to learn and relearn about the story was kind of shocking and honestly, so depressing. I think you obviously have to feel for Odin Lloyd in the two guys that got killed inside the Boston Theater District there and then whoever he killed in Florida and all these other who knows however many other people that he died that he killed but also such a waste of a gifted athlete that Aaron Hernandez was in this is the same thing that people probably felt with OJ Simpson was this guy who is one of the greatest athletes of all time who's just an absolute buffoon and made terrible decisions in a sociopath in Aaron Hernandez was obviously the same exact thing to be able to just murder people in Cold Blood and then piece that aside and playing an entire league and entire game and entire whatever make 40 million dollars is just absolute insanity and it it hammered home the fact even more that your upbringing in the culture that you're around on a regular basis can change you in effect you forever and and obviously Anybody that watched a documentary last night there was over a million. I guess Google searches of Aaron Hernandez because I think much like me and I mean I was in this world. I was in the NFL the conversation about Aaron Hernandez, whenever this all came out in the locker rooms was wild. I mean because you're talking about there's a lot of people in NFL locker rooms. I think they're gangster, right? There's a lot of people in NFL locker rooms that come from terrible neighborhood so they got to put on and all that stuff, but there was nobody really bout that life like Aaron Hernandez is what we all learned very quickly. There is a chance that I gapped up Aaron Hernandez after a game. Do you like I'm not a hundred percent certain I did but there is a chance. I mean, her name is Daphne each other up in that hand that I dumped up with after a game and I think we might have beat them at that particular time or or lost. One of the other was potentially just holding a revolver just emptying it into a car and then waking up the next morning and going and working out and going into a football facility and acting like nothing happened. That is such a sad sad sad story think about the Patriots, by the way, if they would have had Aaron Hernandez and robbed. Kowski for you know, the duration of that 40 million dollar contract. He signed it would have been the Baltimore Ravens what the Baltimore Ravens are right now with all the tight ends and everything like that to Bill Belichick's credit now he and crafts. I mean they brought a terrible human being into New England, which should be there's no way anybody could have expected that a human from Bristol Connecticut was going to go to the New England Patriots and just be a complete murderer and stuff like that. So I think is what I saw from Belichick in his speech was actually pretty Good leadership where he was like every time we bring somebody in this community we try to do our best. Like I think they were even blindsided by all this as the community was but man this is such a sad sad story that I watched last night in that and I could completely forgot that it existed and I would I would recommend everybody watch it to be honest with you because I think you learn a lot about not just football in the NFL and the amount of money that's made and everything like that. But you're just talking about a human that was walking amongst other humans walking amongst Elite humans Tom Brady show. All right next to Tom Brady at like 4 o'clock in the afternoon and then a 2 a.m. He was out of the club doing like 50 Cent shots getting upset and emptying an entire revolver into a car going back to bed waking up the next morning playing catch with Rob Gronkowski. And then put that on repeat for the next couple years. I think there's obviously a couple interesting situations where Alexander Bradley the guy that he allegedly shot in the I was trying to kill him and the Patriots set him up with a hideout apartment that was later deemed a trap house. By the way, whenever I first came out everybody. Like this is where he was selling drugs out of and stuff like he was on drugs use hiding out over there. So they wouldn't get killed. It was just I think I learned a lot. I think I remembered a lot. But the only thing I took from it is just how sad how incredibly sad it is that that happens in in very recent history. That was not that long ago that somebody who was at the top the peak of their life could make decisions that would ruin not only their life their family's life, but other human beings who had nothing to do with anything. It's just sad that that's how humans exist. And I would argue that Aaron Hernandez mother's probably top 5 worst mom's of all time easily and it scared the hell out of me to have kids to be honest. It scared the hell outta me have kids because if you're bad parent, there's some bad things that can happen. Even if that person happens to be one of the greatest athletes of all time like Aaron Hernandez was that was why would last night did it go through and did it did the Patriots organization or any of the teammates or coaches or anything know that he was this type of human being outside of locker and now it felt like nobody had a clue. He had two different lives, too. Two very different lives. I think you're the only person I probably really knew about it was his fiancee shayanna who Chic now, you won't talk about ride or die. Yeah. Shahana was a ride or die even when her sister's boyfriend was murdered. She was the only one that showed up at his second trial the one that he was found not guilty. She was the only person sitting behind Aaron Hernandez. Not as terrible mom who was just probably a massive part of this whole thing happening, but she was a ride-or-die felt like the players though had no clue like I think the players I knew that he was you know, maybe maybe did the dope, you know, maybe he smoked the dope and things like that, but I don't think they had any clue that they were living amongst the gangster and Tim Tebow. By the way, he has to run for president. Some point had Tim Tebow has to run for president the the way he answered that like they were obviously Tim Tebow's with him in college. Tim Tebow was with him at the Patriots when this all happened. It was Tebow Mania up there and Foxborough and you know, I mean just the way he handled that was incredible drummer. A house key almost fought somebody I think they were all heartbroken to like just how I feel like watching that and how I think everybody probably felt watching that is just how sad of a situation was now this is not saying I ever feel bad for Aaron Hernandez for killing those but I feel much worse for the humans that were in her scent that got murdered obviously. But Aaron Hernandez, I would assume everybody that makes the NFL understands that man look at us like a we made it right all of our years of hard work all of our years of dedication from wherever our From if it's a single parent to terrible neighborhoods and we made it up here like proud of each other and then to see that colossal collapse like that just from bad decision. I think it was very sad. And you know, I think Gronkowski took a very very hard to be honest in that documentary. There was a time where is got because they're in the same room now remember Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez drafted the same here. They're in the same room in that cannot either be something where you hate each other or you get along and I would assume Gronkowski and Hernandez at work got along. I would assume that that's just the way they are. Hey, we're going to work hard. We're going to get There and I think it was heartbreaking for everybody. But boy what a sad sad sad situation. I would recommend documentary even though I think they put it together in a trash manner. Like I think it was put together in a track. It was bouncing around. I think they didn't know what they wanted to do with it. But the story just being reminded of those like damn that was not that long ago and there was a I mean there's a legit chance that we hey man, what's up, and I'm just like yeah. Oh, yeah, you killed maybe 25 minutes. It's insane that people can compartmentalize yet. And then he goes to jail. They're like, yeah, he was just comfortable daily. It seems just happy to be there was like damn got a lifetime tat as soon as he got in there. He was in solitary confinement still found a way to beat the hell out of somebody. I mean, it was just like what a spectacle of a human and then obviously they study his brain and it comes out that he has CTE and this this incredibly now, by the way, I think we in the world make CTE jokes on a regular basis, I think after watching that documentary, I would I will not do it anymore because I honestly believe the guy had something seriously wrong with his brain. Like I think his mom was a terrible influence on him. I think his dad was a terrible influence on him and now granted he has a lot of respect for his dad for whatever reason but I think his upbringing in that house was obviously a dysfunctional one, but I think his brain I mean a lot of people are going to say like, well, that's just an excuse that's just an excuse but then when he put his brain next to what it normal brain looked like there's obviously something cooking up there. I think the CT joke should maybe relax for a little bit until we continue to learn a little bit more because it seems like that really messed up a lot of People's lives the way his brain was just battered in it looks smaller than other brains. It made no sense to me, but do they frame it as that being the main like linchpin for him or is it more his upbringing because you obviously wouldn't be able to study like the mom. Okay the mom if you watch that documentary the mom seems to be the main reason. It seems to be the main reason but that story was I completely forgot about it and I feel bad that I forgot that even like whenever they're like Aaron Hernandez documentaries coming on. I'm like I want to yeah, I remember he was he killed Yeah, right. He killed a guy and then you remember it's like no no. No, he didn't just kill a guy probably like five people and letting numerous others and all this other stuff. I mean, it was just like it was Insanity man in that Jose Baez guy you ever get wrapped up in a bad situation. He got Casey Anthony out of that damn obvious murder and he got Aaron Hernandez out of a double murder after the jury already knew that Aaron was convicted of another murder and he had a lifetime life sentence tattoo on his neck showing to the jury and Jose Baez got them off of it. I don't know how that works. No idea how that works. But it was very interesting to see all your headers and soccer though and all the hundreds of tackles you made in football. Yeah, you probably had a concussion. Yeah, you could make CTO drugs city drugs. That's the rule. I think I have had a few conjunction with that's my role. I think I have had a few concussions, but I don't think like after you watch that. It's like see now I can't watch it same reason that I didn't watch. Dr. Bennet. Omalu Russian concussion. Did it was that documentary was I in you watch it, you know like you get 10 minutes and I I got a text from neck when he was eight minutes into these like just started the Aaron Hernandez documentary man. This is going to be sad and it really was it was just a tragic story about a wasted talent that couldn't ever be an actual human. Like he wasn't an actual human. He was just a complete difference best. He was so young too. That's the worst part 21 three years. I went to Florida at 17, you know was Urban in this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah a couple times. Hey urbanized beef is done God. But I think I'm not I'm not sure he didn't care whatsoever about anything he did or he was the dumbest human being on the face of the earth. I don't know you gotta remember in college towns football players get in fights and things like that. These are things that happen in college not even in the college stuff. I'm talking about afterwards. Like when you look at the mountain of evidence, they found against him. He either didn't care if he got caught or Aaron you're talking about. Yes are not see where talk about Urban Meyer there for a second. So we got to clarify that you're talking about. Hernandez yeah, Aaron Hernandez did not care. He's dumb and blunt or sitting right next to the dead guy. That's a half a mile away from his house. I mean, he's just a buffoon. Obviously. I mean, he's just a dumb dumb dumb person or he was just oblivious to the fact there was laws and rules that you just cannot return the rental car with the shell casings in the car still in case he's just down. I mean it now he's I would assume he has Jose Baez as is his lawyer. They would argue like you He's that stupid to leave the shell casing and this and that he was obviously framed by these other two guys, bye-bye that old thing but I think he was just a buffoon. I honestly think it was buffoon and then the conversations that he was having with people from jail while on trial for murder with outside people just basically incriminating himself in every single conversation. It was just like this guy. He had no idea that he was even existing as a human. I think I in that is scary to me, by the way that that that human can just exist. I would assume there's a lot more they always said the worst thing that happened to him was being drafted by the Patriots because he went back to where he knows everyone today highlight that y'all yeah and Urban Meyer in there even talked about he said that one of the problems that he recognized with Aaron Hernandez, and I'm people have tweeted me that Nick Saban said this as well in an interview before Aaron Hernandez one to Florida. He said you have to keep him out of his home town. You have to keep them away from where he was in Urban Meyer said every single time he went back there something happened and then it came back in Urban Meyer said a big part of it was trying not to Let him go back there, then it gets drafted there. He's paid a lot of money. They're giving all access there and it was just kind of a recipe for disaster from Jump Street with his dad and his mom is situation and decision-making is your sad for everybody and I think that's what I got from Duck but I was up till like 1:00 1:30 watching that thing by the way, because the more and more came out I was like, oh damn, I remember that. Oh my God. I didn't know that and then to think that I might have dap that guy up on a football field and then just a couple weeks later. He went killed somebody. I mean that's just to be able to flip that switch. I'm always intrigued by those things. I'm always intrigued by the humans that walk amongst us that have this ability to kill and then just go about their lives. I have no idea how you do it. Aaron Hernandez was somebody that was able to do it and it was just a sad sad story somebody that was very gifted very special very talented blew it all because he was a victim of being a buffoon and that is just it was a sad sad story. It almost seems like he had like a split personality. Oh, yes, you look at like serial killers or whatever like those people aren't in like the Limelight constantly like he's playing football on Sundays. Everyone knows who he is like being able to actually like manage those two situations. Like that's almost impossible to grasp interviews to yeah, like having to do interviews and like he's like in his interviews likable seems to be laughing. I remember one of his last weeks after this all came out. He's like a Boomer photo shoot like Puma was like it's whatever. Is there any way that you know what, I mean like it was just you're talking about a guy who it feels like had everybody fooled except for a collection of people that live in the same world that he was dabbling in at night, you know, and it's just I didn't know humans could do that to be honest and that's what the documentary show I forgot about it was jarring his lack of remorse for anything. And then the one thing I don't spoil too much, but there's one moment. It's chilling. It's in the first couple minutes he He's in his jail cell and he's on a phone call with his mother. I believe in he talks about how perfect his cell looks and how much he enjoys his cell and even the darts were like there's something wrong with this guy. Like he just adapted completely to jail life immediately. Like just completely adapted to jail life was like, yeah, I gotta clean so it can't get some Harry Potter's I'm a read some Harry Potter's and I'll be out of here soon. And it's just it was all very very interesting and then the way he went out obviously is just I mean the Aaron Hernandez Corey is one that kind of disappeared for a long time and I'm happy they did this documentary to bring it back to the Forefront to remind people that decision-making upbringing and ultimately a lack of just remorse is something that some humans have and we should learn that the CTE brain thing though. A lot of people. I mean it's something that as soon as the movie concussion came out you heard a lot of people say like well this isn't a real thing. This is real thing. Dr. Most met doesn't know what he's talking about. These people know what they're talking about. It was always like the billionaires who own the NFL did not want to be the people blame for an inherent risk sport of football potentially ruining people's lives with this CT thinks. It was always this conversation of all it's not even a real one. It's not even a real disease. That's hearsay. It's this it's that and then you've People are like well, we can't just blame things like CTE for people making terrible decisions when they showed his brain next to somebody else's brain. Like I think it's at least worthy of a discussion and I'm not saying that it's NFL is fault. I don't think it's high school football is fault. I think whenever people play football they understand that there's an inherent risk, but I do think that the CTE think does affect the way humans act and I don't I don't take blame out of his parents like I don't take blame out of his upbringing in his his own. Own self decisions that he was in the situation. He was in and everything like that for him making terrible decisions, but I do believe that the brain conversation should be one that has had and I think it is affecting a lot of people. Yeah, when you put the brain together with an upbringing then it's just kind of address heart of the recipe. It's not the whole cause piece of the puzzle. They also showed to he took an aptitude test or an IQ test and his social maturity was the lowest one out of ten. Yeah a 1 out of 10. What was that one that coachable though? He was like a 10 out of 10 on coachable like used. I'm 10 coachability 1 out of 10 on social maturity. It was just he was a recipe for disaster and he was handed the keys to everything that he ever could have possibly wanted to end. A lot of people were very interested in lost their lives because of it and I would recommend watching Everybody. Excuse me one. We was that Français oui oui huh? Salva Salva bien. Okay, you get it time for an average Zoom didn't invent video conferencing. They just made it better. Now Zoom is how business gets done Zoom ties together all of your communication needs into one easy at for video conferencing phone calls group chat webinars and your conference rooms. 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We're being joined Now by an All-Pro a man that changed the game The X Factor return specialist Dante. Ha appreciate that. What's up? My man? Hey, what's up, man? The human joystick is an incredible nickname. I hope they still call you that at the house. Got three kids in four years. What do you think ha ha? All right. Hey, the Chiefs are damn good. I mean Tyree Tyree kill just said no offense to any he said listen no offense to anybody with all due respect. He said which normally means cameras come respect. Yes. It's coming. I'm said, there ain't nobody that can stop us and to be honest. I don't think there's a single human on earth that disagrees with him. What do you see from this Chiefs team? I assume you're still a massive fan of the Oops, what do you see from? These Chiefs team that makes him different this year than in years past. Well, first of all, he's absolutely right and you know, sometimes when you tell the truth the truth hurts and that's what it is in this case, but I think the difference in this particular team from what I've seen in years past is especially the successful Chief teams were this team can beat you despite rules. Like don't turn the ball over don't have special team gaffes don't have stupid penalties. They are so explosive. They overcome all that and if you have any defense to go along with this particular offense, I mean, it's lights out Dante. It's standard if you get a block kick for a touchdown, you lose the game. That's what exactly if you get a block punt for for for a touchdown. You lose the game if you muffled punt inside your own 10, and they get it and they score you lose the game. Like those are just stats that are a factual thing like hey 90% of the time you get a kick exactly. They just have this ability to withstand. And anything and I think was that texting its first-quarter a wake-up call to a team that has already unbelievable. I don't think it was a wake-up call that off. I think it was a fluke to be honest. And even though we had the special team muff, we had the special team block kick for a touchdown. The text is turned around and did the same thing. They had a month right inside there 10 and then went for a foolish fourth and four. So that cancels out that particular game. I just think that quarter that half was an absolute fluid. We may never see Half of football or a quarter of football like that. Again Dante Hall you change games immediately upon stepping on the field. Who's the person for the Kansas City Chiefs that they can other than Patrick Mahomes that whenever the he's on the field. It's a game changer. Oh Tyree killed. I mean it's the speed that Mason even if he doesn't have a monster game like a seven catch 130 just his presence. You must put a man over the top then that opens up things for Kelsey Watkins and Micco Hardiman. Oh is hands-down Tyree killed because of the speed you ran afford to 940. That's a lie. I think that that that might be on Wikipedia. So I've never seen four two four three six is my bestest. What a humble. Hey, what a humble response by the hey, did you write that on the fastest I've ever seen on a football field. I think so. Yes. Been closed and you have to be a person to see it TV really doesn't do it justice. You have to see all other 21 guys and their speed in live action and then look at his speed and it's Jess is this why what is in what is it Andy Reid done? You think this year or maybe even last year? I mean forgot to remember D for to hell of a football player for the cheese for a long time. And now for the Niners he's a game changer, but if he was 6 inches back the Chiefs probably win that game last year and going to win the Super Bowl everybody knows that. Buddy, everybody knows that this year though, if the Andy Reid conversation is always been and he's great for the first 10 weeks verse 11 weeks and then he runs out of ammo and they kind of sputter out with Patrick bombs and all these weapons. It feels like and eirik probably coach another 20-30 years and still keep it going. Yeah, and I think Andy Reid is going to be what Andy Reid is and my opinion the biggest difference this year is the defense. We have an opportunistic defense. They're actually a little more Stout than they were last year. I think that's the difference. When you need a key third down stop you getting it with guys like Ty Ty Matthew like did you see the play he had on Hopkins last week during the comeback little tidbits like that. It keep the momentum running. I think it's a difference and to read is going to be in the read he's going to put up points. He's going to his quarterbacks are going to put up numbers. The office is going to be top five every year. It's the defense this year. That's the difference. What do you think about the Tennessee Titans? They came out of nowhere the Baltimore Ravens look like a completely different team than what the Baltimore Ravens look like all year and I think Think the three week break could have potentially very hurt them. But that is now Millie. I agree with you the Tennessee Titans. You know, what I would run a 4-2 to agree with you on that the Tennessee Titans though have this team that seems to be built to win playoff games. They have a stout defense. They have solid special teams, even though they don't kick field goals. Breck turn is an absolute stud keeps ball away from the returner and that offense with Derrick Henry in the background who's not only running for cash, but he's running through individuals. Is there a chance at the Titans can upset the Chiefs this weekend? Or do you see that or no? I'm is absolutely a test. And it's funny the comment you just made because I actually was thinking about this or in another interview we talked about it. But um think about this you got this new school Andy Reid office as his throwing the ball all over the place and then you got the old-school kind of your are definitely my error of Smash Mouth like you say run gay strong defense throwing specialty that has been the formula for for years if not forever to win Super Bowl. So it's going to be interesting to see which style wins out. Is it Smashmouth D or is it opportunistic D and crazy offense? It's going to be a Styles game this week. So I'm looking forward to that the Chiefs going to put up a hundred points less. Yeah. I don't know if I don't know how long Derrick Henry and that Titans offense have to keep matching homes on the sidelines, but it's gonna have to be a long damn time because I think in a matter of four minutes and scored 24 points, Or something like that. That is that is insanity. Let's move over to the NFC side. Now Niners Packers, obviously, everybody loves that Niners defense. Everybody loves Kyle Shanahan and he's big brain. He's also a very good coach but the Packers have Aaron Rodgers and I think that is literally what you have to remember and all these conversations. They have a better defense than they've had in the past. They have Aaron Rodgers who always seems to get it done in these types of situations, but that Niners team looks like they are going to be tough, especially at home in Santa Clara. Are your thoughts? Yeah, my thoughts. I agree with everything you just said but I think that noun is pulled it out defense is just going to be two Stout when you come to us for and that's how you stop a great quarterback like and Rogers Tom Brady. You have to be able to get there with just for it. And that's what the niners can do, but they in the Niners can also be explosive on offense. I like Garoppolo. Some people are kind of iffy. I really like him if Bill Belichick was behind this guy. I'm definitely my God my eyes. Tell me to be on this guy. And I love the rookie Samuels. I like the vet some Samuels to but the rookie Samuels is a Difference Maker. So with that front for the Difference Maker with Samuels and Garoppolo, I think they get it done. I like the Niners in this one. What a hilarious lying there. Like, what did I say? If Bill Belichick likes that guy there because everybody's been talking about how Jimmy geezers a game manager. He doesn't really win games for the Niners, but it is forgotten that there was a lot of rumors and conversation to Billy be wanted to go. Go with Jimmy G instead of Tommy be there for a long time and then they had to get him out of town because of the conversation that's going to go tell you know, what are you busting flows? And Dragon Balls t-shirt? We don't have enough for sale yellow. Oh Missy that looks real. Doesn't it? That was a real Cuban leak. Hey. Hey, we'll send one to you man. I can't afford that kind of money for someone to you. You watch that Aaron Hernandez documentary yet. I started it last night. I started last night how sad I mean, yeah sad baffling I'm watching the seat. Is there anything new I'm Gonna Learn. You know what? I mean? Like what up? Cuz I've seen the documentaries. I've seen the you know, the stories read articles. I'm waiting to see is there anything new that's going to make me be on his side not on the side but more understanding of why or I'm just going to be left feeling the same. You know it I forgot I had forgot about it. To be honest. I forgot about the are high. Yeah. Like I think that is that is how bad my I would do your Millennial Aunt you know, I think you or that Melinda all I have okay Goomer shorts pants short attention span using linear. I know I mean, obviously we remember I remembered there but I forgot just about how good he was. Hey, I forgot about goody. Was it football? Like I think that is something that doesn't get talked about whatever you think about Aaron Hernandez, he was so good at football. He was so rich each and he threw everything away because he was just a terrible decision maker and I don't think anybody in the locker room had any idea that he had the second life that was happening outside. I honestly don't think that and I think that's the most surprising thing to me. Is that in a locker room. I feel like you get to know everybody that's what when people retire they miss the camaraderie the Brotherhood of the locker room. I think Aaron Hernandez, I don't think he had much camaraderie in the locker room. And I think anybody had a clue what was going on outside. I agree completely because what guy if throughout all the documentaries what teammate Was he constantly went you never see a guy it was always guys outside of football and you know, like you say typically you're going to be cool with all 53 men on the roster, but you're going to clean to a two or three or four. I didn't say I've never seen this guy attached closely to any of his teammates. So I agree. I don't think any of them knew because I don't think he was hanging with that's interesting. Who's your favorite person who ever played against or with? With is easy. He's not even a big named Sylvester Morris. He's still my best friend of Dave's at my wedding. I was and is when he was a first-round draft pick. He had injuries just totally derailed his career first round draft pick played one year in the NFL first-round draft picks the best of more he's by far my favorite guy, even though one position against me. What position wide receiver from Jackson State. He was 6 4 and 1/4 3/8 at to I think he played at 2:15 and he got drafted first. Well out of Jackson State after playing one year he was a beast but because he was built like a damn chicken. He couldn't you gotta eat or both his ACL shows up and he had a hip injury and I just think it's because you know, I was just a freak has body you had 64 215 running 1/4 3/8 kind of like AJ Green guys like that a tall slender. It's just it's just hard to stay healthy. Now. What are your thoughts on the XFL? I think you would if you were in your Prime, right? Now you might score 45 touchdowns with the new XFL rules. Nobody's allowed down the field before the ball is punted the kickoff Rose. Nobody's allowed to get a running start for cover. You might score literally 45 touchdowns. If you're in the XFL right now, do you like those rules that that's hits backyard football. These guys got organized back backyard football. It's crazy. You like it or hate it. You think the NFL one jacket? I like it. Of course you do. I like it because football the offseason is Lord you got freaking baseball going nine months. You got basketball lasting eight nine months or whatever and football. It's like we have to wait what was coming up February 1st. Just look at all the time in between so I don't mind a little XFL the football in between that time spent who's your favorite returner in the league right now right now? Yeah Aziz Amico Hahnemann, come on. Come on. I mean, I mean, isn't it crazy though? Tyree kill its Tyreke. It was just a focus on returning. He would be an All-Pro returner ever. A single year every single year. He would be in somehow Andy Reid and that Personnel. I don't know who the GM and makes the decisions over there. They have found somebody that sveet brevete. She's a beast. Yeah, I mean obviously he is because you take Tyree killing your like how would you ever want to take Tyreke a lot of returning him that I don't worry about it. We got this other guy that just drop right? Well, I'm gonna be able to switch. I think what happened if you remember when Tyreke got into the little trouble in the offseason. No one knew if he was going to still be on the team. Spend it any of that. It was looking very bad for him when it first came out and this was around draft time. So I think what happened was the teeth didn't know and they wouldn't got an insurance policy and it just so happened and for tourists fortuitous way that the teeth were able to keep both of them. Then you got two speedsters to return me and you can put the rookie back there and save Tyreke. That's really what happened. You know, what you can do you can do that that fake return, you know, where the the one guy acts like he's Hannibal I assume they're going to bust that out at some point Tyree killed not I don't see anything. No no more. Just let McColl catch the ball and take off running. No tricks. Don't put Tyreke back there. None of that. Just let me call him and do his thing. He saved us to games so far. You've been watching the teeth and we will game was that it was the final week. He saved the team hit star down 24, he broke a return broke the game wide open with down last week. He practiced a big return When were down. T47 gets the ball rolling. So I really like his momentum or like what he's done in the last few weeks returners can change the game. They don't get enough respect on to haul you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. I can't wait to see that happen the human joystick. Thank you so much for your time. Ladies and Gentlemen The X Factor don't say no. Thank you. The Chiefs are such a dynamic team and it feels like they're not going to let what happened last year or anything get in their way. That first quarter could have brought them down. Could have disparage them a little bit instead. They just continue to stack and believe and I don't know how you stop that team. Honestly, I don't even stop that team. But nobody know how you stop the Baltimore Ravens and the Tennessee Titans are able to do it because Mike Vrabel has that team believe in Mike Vrabel has a team that's built to travel that team does not care about the noise that the Kingdom's going to bring they do not care about how cold it's potentially going to be they don't care about how many points that you are going to score they're going to do what they do. They're going to run the ball. The offensive line is going to control the line of scrimmage, but if they have To punt just a few times. You have to think that Patrick homes in that offense. You're going to be able to figure out the Titans defense and score just because that's what they've been able to do all the damn time them going down by that much and then being able to come back and win is probably the best thing ever to happen them. It was it was whether it was a wake-up call or not. It seems like it was and now they're going into this week. Like we cannot let that happen again, or if they get down. I remember well work 24/7. Yeah. Remember him just like last week. We're down 20 for zipping on that, but we gotta get to a break 10:41 here on East Coast 741 West Coast shout out to Dante Hall for joining us that guy used to be light these awesome. He was he's very cool at the draft. He was awesome, too. He's been - I agree. There's not enough spots every year though, you know, I mean, that's the problem none of spots every year and then you have to pay respects just like NFL all the time team like they had to pay respect to the legends that built the game like, you know what I mean? It's just an interesting thing the politics game but he was a game changer. He opened the door. I think for dads like Devin Hester he opened the door for these guys that became return specialist in to be honest back in the day. There was only team like one or two teams that had great specialist and they benefited from it nowadays. 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Hey, congratulations on retirement brother hell of a run. You guys want onto? Yeah, I appreciate that years men Great Men the last four years up in Buffalo been awesome how it now going into retirement. Did you know coming into the season? This is potentially it was a midseason when you have that conversation. Yeah. It was definitely a potentially coming in his last season. I mean, my wife had talked about it really over the last two or three years obviously getting older or kids are getting older and want to be a part of their lives, but I didn't make the decision probably around week eight week nine. Body feeling bad all those type of things that go into your mind is how I feel as though the player but mainly the main reason was it came down to choosing my family and really want to be there for my kids for my wife traveling really enjoy the things that we sacrifice over the last 15 years and we ever do it with a high-quality, you know, not limping around giving around if I continue to play this game, you know every Hall of Fame speech. Normally there comes a time where the Hall of Famer says. I apologize to my kids for not being around enough. That doesn't that doesn't Thought about a lot by NFL players whenever you're in it. It's a very selfish profession. You're not around a lot. You got to do what you got to do in the wife in the mom usually has to carry a lot of the burden. I'm happy. You're making that decision. Yeah, I appreciate him and like you said, my wife is really held it down. And and what it started becoming for me is that you know, I believe in faith family and football and being an older player. I had to start preparing to prepare all the massages the dry needling acupuncture, you know, the stretching all those type of things that would add additional time will tell My regular preparation that took additional time away from the kids. You played 15 years Luke Kuechly just retired after eight. Do you blame him for that decision or did you see it coming? Yeah, not at all on the obviously a Lucas has some issues with concussions and at the end of the day this game is not worth of your livelihood and the quality of life that you want to be able to live on, you know with his family with his future kids and all those other things that this game can stripped from you if you if you are dumb tough as I call it and try to push through Ooh things that you should do push through I agree completely. I'm very happy for you. Very happy for Luke Kuechly. Let's move to these games now 15 years in the NFL. Have you ever seen an offense with this many weapons like the Kansas City Chiefs have right now, not really not at all. I mean they they operate on so many different levels. I mean it's a high-octane offense and once they figure out and you know, I've been around or compete against Annie Reed coach teams often and once he gets his his thumb on you, it's it's you might be night-night. I've been a Many many times when I played against them up in feeling when I was with the Redskins and they put a 50 spot on us. And so that's probably the only other time I've seen a team kind of made up like this when they had to shine they had Vic they had Shady they had a lot of weapons offenses and you just can't double one guy because anybody can beat you at any time. What do the Titans have and what have the Titans is done with their team. Now, I you guys played them earlier in the see ya they have evolved since then right? I mean Ryan Tannehill has become this special my what'd he say? They have evolved. I think they figured out how to win and execute at a high level and then much very similar to Baltimore and they be Baltimore at their own game. They're going to ground and pound you play great defense to try to get up on you, you know, maybe 1 or 2 scores and then turn into a four-minute office at hand the ball off to Derrick Henry over and over and over again until you get tired of tackling him and then the fourth quarter he comes up big with another school and then on defense they play good sound great defense and create turnovers to give the ball back. Our offense and so they're not going to wow you but they're going to play sound football, you know kind of throw back a little bit when you play them, you know kind of back to early in my career in the NFL. So there's a little bit of a throwback style team. Do they have what it takes to stop this Chiefs team. That is a complete buzzsaw. Defensively, they don't have to create some turnovers. They you know, if it gets into a, you know, a shootout in a sense where they have to try to score 21 24 28 points, they lose the game, but if they can keep it low scoring create some turnovers make them kick field goals when they get into the Red Zone, they'll have a shot definitely because nobody wants to tackle that Henry when it's when the game is tight in the fourth quarter. That's what I was about to say. Everybody talks about having to tackle Derrick Henry. I don't think I've heard this many elite players talked about having the All human. Yeah, I mean you you have to make up your mind, you know and compete against him in the last two or three years a couple of times and you he's beat me I'll beat him and we've had some drawers but you have to physically bring it to him all day long and as a DB, I can't be mad at the DB who maybe 175 190 and you got this guy that's 250 that's coming again and they cracked and you got to replace most guys don't make that business decision or even hold on the way for the cavity come by that time you do the stiff arms. You were made you miss and he's you know out the gate. What is that? Is that like a boxer preparing for a fight? I'd assume hey, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to run into this dude. I'm gonna yeah, right, but it but the issue is that most guys even saw like Earl eat East make a statement last week. Like they don't have the mindset to come out and Tackle them. But you do that in the first second quarter and then that third P he popped you one time and in that third fourth quarter you like I'm gonna go in there, but I don't really You know, so it just happens and its natural after you try to keep tackling a big man like that whose Relentless. What do you think about that Niners defense? And how are they going to cause problems for Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers and his Green Bay Packers team won close games. Now, they've been very close but they've won they've continued to win the defense has been opportunistic, but everybody's talking about this neyers defense being fully healthy Jimmy Jam and offense getting into a Groove. How do you see that game playing out and what can Aaron Rodgers do against that defense? You know, it's going to be hard. I mean, I love the 90s front for I mean obviously all first round is very elite and they get after the quarterback and they play the run very well as well. So it's really going to be led by them and for Aaron if he can't get to a rhythm early if they you know able to take away Parker maybe double-team him and his first read his off is going to give those guys up front to get to him. And so it's gonna be very tough because I think I'll Shanahan office again, you know, they gave playing well, they don't care how they beat you they're going they're going to exploit your weaknesses by On the ball of passing it and coming up with some things and to really attack your weaknesses. So in my mind I think is going to be the 49ers that come out the Victor in this game. I think everybody's thinking that's a seven and a half point spread right now. I mean, it's more than a score right now for that Packers team has been in three point games basically all year. That's a large number. I think yeah and they found ways to win obviously because they are in and what he's able to bring to that table as far as being an elite quarterback, but this 49ers team is probably one of the most complete teams. I've seen for a while, you know, obviously having the cold front playing great defense and then offensively be able to beat you multiple ways. Whether it's the passing game the running game and they have a pretty good quarterback themselves. When you think about the future of the Buffalo Bills you guys had a hell of a run this year and I think everybody everybody enjoyed watching are now gonna they're gonna have to replace you which is a veteran leader. I have going to be difficult but this Bills team looks like you guys are but they're potentially On The Rise. Yeah the culture that we've established over the last three years is Jeffrey on the right. Directory in the guys like Michael. Hi, Jordan. Poyer Tremaine administered a this white Josh Allen. Those guys are going to take the Reigns of you know, the absence of me as far as leadership and this team is going to taken that step. We got 90 million dollars that Brandon Bean is shot me government have at their disposal this off season and they've been very smart. Just looking at the history of the guys that they've identified as obviously great football players, but then great leaders that they can bring in here and then add to what they have and so and includes the draft. I think those guys are going to do a great job. Miss football teams going to take the next step because they're really starting to hit their Prime, you know, Josh and remain going to the third year really starting to solidify themselves as from middle-range players to now step into that leak that lead level kind of like what your Davis did this year playing corner? So it's a lot of promise and I haven't even mentioned in the Singletary and what he brings to the table. So it's going to be a big time. I think next year. They get a home a home playoff game and make a run and the Patriots are potentially dead. So Yeah, this is what happened Lorenzo. Congratulations on your retirement. And every time we have you on the show, I'm nothing short of impressed. You're going to do great things. Thank you so much for joining us. All right, Patrick hate you guys. I am so sorry to interrupt. I just want to let you know that hey new year new opportunities flipping the calendar creates Endless Possibilities new and exciting things are coming your way. You just have to be ready for them and it all starts with learning your Master's degree at Ashford University make this the year you advance your career by earning your master's degree and get started today at Ashford University. It's very convenient and very flexible Ashford University's online masters degree programs allow you to learn at your own pace. 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Let's do that brand new segment that we started a couple weeks ago because we are sports show in other sports shows ask questions that we should probably ask but it's very difficult to take them serious whenever the questions are as such mr. Toan dicks. This question has been asked the last few days on a couple shows. Who would you draft number one to uh, Burroughs yeah, this is a wild question because I understand that going into the year the tank for to a situation was a real situation. I mean that was a real conversation 200 was this guy who came into Alabama was able to drop a ball into a bucket with his offhand remember? He's writing his dad force him to be a lefty and he was able to pick apart defense has in the SEC something in Alabama didn't always do Alabama normally relied on the running back their offensive line and good defense and then to it gets in there wins a national championship by picking people. Apart, and he was this Proto style quarterback where he gets it back in the pocket. He looked good and he could really dissect defenses and all these things top prospect. Everybody's eyes. Nobody even knew who Joe Borough was we talked to Todd mcshea Tom mcshea said Joe Borough was probably a fifth-round sixth-round pick going into this last season. So whenever to yet again has another injury with his hip and his ankle and he's had three surgeries in 2 years and you watch this Jo Borough growth in an NFL offensive system like they had with Brady has his offensive coordinator to think that you would still take an injured to a who says he's going to be healthy by April but do we know over a guy who has one of the hottest heaters right now in the history of sports who already has an NFL offense who has grown from 16 touchdowns to 60 touchdowns in one particular year to say that you would say to all over Joe burrow would be a very dumb thing. But I do believe to a with one year of you know, rest one year a rehab one year maybe learning behind a veteran. Quarterback could still be a very very good NFL quarterback, but there's no way a GM right now could pick to over Joe Borough because if to of gets hurt that GM is immediately fired because everybody in the fan base everybody in the organization would say well no joy, Tommy. So that's a dumb question. I think but I'd like the fact that it's Spurs conversation. I just think Joe burrow is the obvious answer there. He's earned it and will the Cincinnati Bengals mess it up. Maybe Carolina Panthers hires offense coordinator now everybody's Guard the Carolina Panthers and play to make a play for Joe burrow if the Cincinnati Bengals mess this layup up mess up this alley, oop if they LeBron James at thing off the side of the rim and they decide to trade out of there and not get a new franchise player a new face of the team and Ohio kid that looks like he would love that opportunity if they end up trading out of there to get more pics and let somebody else pick him up. They are going to look stupid. But I think that's what Bengals fans have come to expect of the Bangles. Ation, I just don't think there's any chance they do it. But if any team was to do it the Cincinnati Bengals or the Detroit Lions now people would say this is driving the price up on Borough but Bangles coaches are already talking the borough checks all the boxes. Yes. He checks all the boxes and he's from Ohio, which is just a hold on level four Ohioans. I would assume in the fact that the Athens County food drive and he's already a hero to the state. He's on this incredible heater smoke cigars. He's Midwest. I mean, it's just he's everything that you would want. If you're the Cincinnati Bengals organization, but look for teams to try to bait the dum-dums at the Bangles out of that situation to make a mistake and potentially miss out on a franchise player. Also, look for a lot of smoke screens from teams that are behind in the draft to build up to a to be better than Joe burrow just in an attempt to hopefully persuade The Bangles to build up to a there's a lot of smoke screen. There's a lot of misdirection. Action, there's a lot of teams that are hoping to make other people make other decisions. It's a lot of chests a lot of Poker a lot of setup. I think Joe Burrows just the perfect candidate for the Cincinnati Bengals. This is just like when Andrew Luck was taken visits. He was at the Colts. He took a visit to the Colts before the draft and I have to see him there and West Virginia is our tie. His dad was the athletic director at West Virginia at the time. He knew a lot about Morgantown and all that stuff. So he knew he knew who I was and obviously I knew who he was and I was in training room and he walked in he was meeting everybody else like Andrew. What's up, man? Your life's gonna be pretty hectic. He was like, yeah, I got to go to the Washington Redskins tomorrow, whatever and I was like why like have we not already told you we're drafting he was like, well, I have to take all the visits bad. Yeah. Well, we're if we don't draft this guy, I mean we're making a mistake and he couldn't say anything but it was still like he had to do all his you know, his visits and things like that. There's stuff that's going to start happening. It's going to come out about how good to his and all this stuff. They're going to be trying to persuade The Bangles that for some reason to take 2 instead of jail bharo. And honestly if the bank was messed this up if the Bangles trade out of there and let another team get a jobber. Oh, I will love it. I will absolutely love it because it gives us a lot to talk about but Bengals fans wouldn't deserve that. I think John Burroughs obviously number you had um take yeah a team that could do it and has the mo to do it Jacksonville. They have two first round picks from La in this year in next year's draft. So four first-round picks next two years. I want the Jacksonville wouldn't be dumb to do that. I don't think Jackson The Bangles would be the ones on these dumb. To do that the bangle is not having a franchise player. I mean Andy Dalton got a lot of wins for the Bengals the Bengals won. A lot of games people forget that the Bangles in not so far history, right? Like I think like four years ago five years ago, they'd win like 11 games ten games. They were in playoffs. They were doing all these things. They just never got over the hump. Then it obviously all just started to spiral out of control. A lot of Bengals fans. Say the Marvin Lewis doesn't get enough credit by the way for winning. Hmm. Hey, what a lot better. Our season they had a lot of players though to I mean they had a lot of good players. You remember hooshmand za'atar back in the day, you know Joe and holy Carson Palmer was there and had a good offensive line there for a while there was never able to get over the hump. And now after this last year whenever they were trying to win and they just couldn't do it. A lot of people ask the question of the Bangles think are they going to stink forever if they trade out of that first pick and choose not to get their franchise player. I would say that they're they're destined to stink forever. The first five years of Dalton was there they had nine wins 10 wins 11 wins 10 wins in 12 weeks. That's what don't not getting credit either know because he obviously has that delicious Ginger hair that quite a grow up whenever he doesn't get any credit for being a good football player got benched this year on trade day on his birthday. Then gets brought back wins again lose a game. I mean Andy Dalton doesn't get nearly enough credit as well. But the banks have never been able to win that thing. Well anything short of winning a Super Bowl be a failure for Patrick Mahomes. What a dump Every team that doesn't win the Super Bowl feels as if the season is a failure. The only reason you were playing in the NFL is to win the Super Bowl every single season, everybody starts starts at the bottom of the mountain and they're trying to make it to the top of the mountain whether you don't make the playoffs or you end up losing in the playoffs. It's the same outcome for every team but one which is a disappointment Patrick Williams in his third season second year playing if he doesn't want a Super Bowl now, let's assume he's going to win it within the next couple years. But yes, it is a failure if you don't win the Super Bowl every Single year, that is just what it is. You look at the Miami Dolphins their front office was getting rid of people that didn't think fit and the idea is tank for to but Flores had those boys ready to go and try to win a Super Bowl every single week. That's just how the game you play to win the game. Yes. It's a failure. If you don't win the Superbowl, especially with this team, you know what it was last year to a failure that they didn't win the Super Bowl. That's just the way it goes. But Patrick Mahomes only in a second year. He's about to sign for 200 million dollars if he doesn't win the Super Bowl. It's a failure. It's like it's a failure for Dustin Colquitt the punter for the team that they didn't win the Super Bowl. This is my favorite one. Well Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks come back. Next season primed for Super Bowl run. Nope, they're gonna stick that Russell Wilson just say has decided right now that next year. They're not going to be primed for a Super Bowl ring. Could you imagine writing that question and being like, you know what let's talk about this on the Seattle Seahawks going to be prime for a Super Bowl Run next year. Everything thinks are prime for Super Bowl run. We talked to Joe Thomas Joe Thomas didn't play in one single playoff game. He's considered one of the greatest offensive lineman of all time the greatest offensive lineman all the time didn't play in a playoff game. One time was almost defeated every single game that he lined up in and he said every single year. He had the mindset that they were going to win the Super Bowl that year because that's what the NFL is. The NFL is a group of men who were played to play professional football who are very good at their jobs who have a coach at rallies and in training camp you buy into this belief that you're going to be a good team because you have to because you're surrounded by a bunch of great football players some teams get it done most teams don't but yes, they're obviously Prime for a Super Bowl run and if they say no I imagine some of these like, nope next year. They're going to stink Russell Wilson is going to forget how to throw the ball when he's outside. The pocket. Tyler Lockett is going to forget how to run fast Marshawn Lynch won't be on the team anymore that defense and his debut on Clowny who's just a disruptor doesn't pick up a bunch of stats. He's going to stick next year and Pete Carroll is going to stop chewing gum. They have no chance of winning the Super Bowl next year. Imagine. 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On today's show, Pat and the boys discuss the new Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix and try to process all the information that was presented, and find it hard to break down the situation other than finding it to be very sad and tragic amongst other things. Also joining the show is 2x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro, member of the 2000's All Decade Team, the man known as the X-Factor and the Human Joystick, former Chiefs great Dante Hall, joins the show. He and Pat discuss this weekend's Conference Championship games and Dante explains why he thinks despite the Titans having the kind of attack that is poised to win in the playoffs, the Chiefs might have too much firepower. Dante also breaks down the NFC Championship game and whether or not the Packers have enough on the offensive side to challenge the 49ers elite defensive and their dominant front 4. Dante also chats about who some of his favorite returners in the league are right now, and what he thinks of the XFL rules that will allow for more explosive plays on punt and kickoff returns (21:04-36:55). Also joining the program is 2x Pro Bowler, All-Pro, recently retired Linebacker for the Buffalo Bills, and friend of the show, Lorenzo Alexander. Lorenzo and Pat chat about his retirement and when he first made the decision to hang up his cleats. Lorenzo also discusses Luke Keuchly's retirement and whether or not he was surprised by the move. They also cover each Conference Championship, and Lorenzo explains why it is so hard to tackle Derrick Henry, and what Aaron Rodgers needs to do to try to exploit San Francisco's explosive front 4. Lorenzo also gives his thoughts on how the Buffalo Bills are poised to make a big step starting next year (39:23-48:04). Also included is the new segment, "Dumb Questions Asked on Sports Shows," with topics including Joe Burrow vs. Tua, Russell Wilson attempting to make a "comeback" next year, and whether or not Patrick Mahomes will be considered a failure if the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl. Today's show is a fun one. Come and laugh with us. Cheers.

Hey, this is Jason overcome Redmond. Thanks for tuning into the Jr. Overcome show. If you love this show we would love for you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave a five-star review. Leave a comment and share with your friends. Everybody wants to be on top of the problem nowadays is people want to get dropped off at the top of the hill just that I overcome mindset that makes all the difference. Either way. We're taught is you're going to call to scratch gonna bite you going to dig you're going to do whatever it takes to. Get to the top of that mountain that unequivocally is how I have managed to keep myself moving forward and finding success to seals One mission the Jr. Overcome show and welcome back to Gerald overcome Show episode 16. I gotta tell you I've so 15 was a lot of fun. But I know there were so many of you out there. That would hit me up and would say we miss Ray we miss Ray and that's all I heard and I was such you know, what if I It wasn't so secure in myself. I start to think that you know Ray with his gigantic ego and his gigantic muscles. We're carrying the weight of this show, but as you can hear it, Ray, stop licking your microphone, so excited to be back. I am so pumped to Birdwell. Welcome back we missed you. Everyone missed you the show is not the same. I heard it over and over again. The show is not the same without the two of us. So I am we're glad you're back man. We missed you. Well, thank you, sir. Sir, but I'm excited to be back for a couple reasons ones. We have got a fantastic guest today, which is always God always cool which is always cool beauty and brains, but what you need to understand is an officer. Okay, I'm gonna lay it down for you Royal. Well as it's been a while I'm ready is I mean because I've missed you being around to you show me the way you've missed. My my power of positivity is I don't have the cape on right now, but you need to understand is I'm a worker bee I'm a superhero I go where I'm needed and when I'm needed I need to go. So I Around the world doing good deeds for children and people and then when I'm done I come back. So, you know, I understand why you know you I've carried you through buds. I carried you through hell week I have literally I mean I've recently taken you off you wrote A lot of people don't know you wrote the Trident for I did write that John it and created my website and a lot of people don't know what I'm up on stage. I'm actually a puppet and Ray is working and what's true which and what most don't know is is after how Jason gets his energy before the shows as I put home my teeth of awesome and then I pull him off at once he's gonna drink the Nectars of the Gods and now he's ready. So before we scare our guests off, let's get going. It's like the raycast care 5 Hour Energy T. So I'm high on 20 Fruit Roll-Ups right now, which our special guest is told me. I'm pretty much a village idiot for eating but they're so damn good. Basically, she equated Fruit Roll-Ups to eating Twinkies. That was pretty much what you just said twinkies and Roll-Ups are what are going to be left in the apocalypse? So, all right. Well, hey, I really let's jump into this show because we do have an absolute amazing. Guess the jarl becomes show is about helping people to lead themselves how to overcome all the adversity in their life. And today we're really going to be getting deep into physical leadership. I foundational level for the Pentagon a Peak Performance and obviously something that mr. Ray cash care is an expert in a fitness expert of Fitness, you know. Getting out there rages crosses it and you know, I have been on the receiving end of some of his amazing workouts and motivation that he puts so we invited an incredible guest a very lovely lady a doctor. Yeah that I have the pleasure of working with and she is an optimization all Specialists. So today we have on dr. Gabriel lion and I let me tell you about Gabriel before we get into this, but dr. Lyon is a Matt medicine physician and she specializes in muscle Centric medicine so I know all you guys out there who like to be in the gym your ears should be perking up right now because she leverages evidence-based medicine with all kinds of science to help people have optimal metabolism to balance their hormones and to optimize their body composition. She wants to make you the best version of herself, and she has been doing it all the cars all across the country. She X with high-level Elite athletes she works with high-level Elite Special Operations members to make sure they are the absolute best version of themselves. So, dr. Lyon attended the Arizona College of Medicine and she is board certified in family practice and I could go on and read all these things. But I tell you what, not only is she a doctor but she also lives what she teaches she was a national semi semi And fitness America, she was a professional fitness model and she has been a nationally ranked figure competitor. So she is always out there. She is putting out amazing content. She is helping people be great and I tell you what, it is an absolute honor to have her on the show because she's part of the family. I mean, she's part of our family she is she is married to a naval special Warfare member a friend and teammate of ours so she is a part of our family And she is amazing and I tell you what, she's going to help you be better. It is a great honor to have on the Jr. Overcome show. Dr. Gabrielle lion. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. This worked out. Yeah absolutely us to schedule their we give yeah, there was some communication staff whose but we made it work. It's what we do. So, you know Gabrielle with every show we have the word of the day and I You what is what is your word? What is the word that we want to focus this show around and you didn't even take a second you I got the text back and literally less than a nanosecond and that word was committed. So Ray, I'm so glad you're back man. We you do the honors. Yes, I will. So ladies and gentlemen, it's been a while in case you forgot because I was gone for a show. I like to give the definition right off the encyclopedia the dictionary if you will. Of what the meaning is? And then what we do is we asked our beautiful host Hostess, excuse me. Guests, whatever you want to call her because she is the hostess with the mostest and of of knowledge with medicine what her idea and thoughts are so right now committed feeling dedication or loyalty to a cause activity or job wholeheartedly dedicated ma'am. What are your thoughts? And what is your definition for the word committed? Being all in one hundred percent of the time at any moment being committed morning tonight. Nothing. Just wholeheartedly in it to win it. I love it. I love it. I yeah, this definition sucks compared to what you said. I love it. Then basically we need to put yours in the dictionary. I'm going to write mr. Webster and be like listen dude get rid of that. Yeah, and it encompasses all domains, right? So it's the interpersonal relationships the commitment to your crap. To self-mastery and the leadership and helping community and what I love about the guests that we have today is you really you are the true definition of someone who lives and breathes what she does, you know, I mean guys and gals brains and Beauty has met, you know, it's match right here. And I mean that with the most respectful way I can obviously one because we know I know your hubby and he can kick my ass, but I'm saying that I respect for you. You your reputation precedes yourself? You have you treat a few of your patients are very good friends of mine clients if you will and I've heard nothing but good things. So I am so excited. I actually asked Jason today. If you know we could do something a little different will get into it. But you know, I'm super pumped. So I'm going to let Jason take over and here we go. Yeah, it's just something we always get into the discussion. I mean committed is such a critical thing and like like Gabrielle said whether it's in a relationship whether It's within the your finances whether it's in your business. I mean all these things are critical to make a difference in your life. And one of the cool things with Gabrielle is she can help you if you're committed to Fitness and you're committed to your nutrition. There's one component and this is something I've been learning a lot about I've been writing about it coming out in my new book when I talk about physical leadership is being proactive in your health and understanding your Hormones understanding, you know so many people they're totally blind where they are in life. They have no idea what their blood pressure is there no idea what their body fat percentage is any of these things? Although they're working out and maybe they're paying attention to their nutrition. So these are the things that are critical with committed and I want people to understand that I want them to think about the things we do the things we do to make a difference in our lives. I mean Gabrielle you have been committed on a lot of Four levels of your life. You've been committed as a fitness model you've been committed as a as a as a, you know, working out you've been committed obviously in education to become a doctor and now committed as a subject matter expert in hormone therapy to optimize people. Yeah, I think that I have definitely been committed. It's my education. I trained for 17 years. So my formal education is 17 years and a good part of that eight years of that was in nutritional sciences and obesity medicine. I did a fellowship at Washington University and about five years ago. I started working with Elite military operators steals Green Berets reynders, you had me at seals right and it's really interesting. Is the see what my practice is transformed in there, we shall leave military operators. We say seals and then there's those other guys so I don't even know where are there are other Elite Special Operations guys. I didn't even know. Okay, let's do it like this. I'll Make A Deal Tim Kennedy. I love you, man. So are you married? Are you married to an SF guy a Recon guy or Ranger Ranger? No, no, no no, no, no. No, I think that's a trident. You wear around your neck around your neck. Yeah. Yeah, so just so you know Shane says the same thing but because it's true it is true. Yeah. So Gabrielle, I have a question stops. Oh stop. Wait a minute. Stop. Stop LT. I need you. I need you to lock it up. Listen. I know you are you can hold up. Okay petty officer care is taken over. I need you to lock it up because since I've been gone a few things have changed. Okay. I've been away. I've been training. So I'm going to I'm going to ask the question today. I run the show. I wear the pants if we were in prison in the Fitness in the gym, you'd be picking up the soap on the boss. I just I just put the mop on my head. So on a serious note, I want to ask you a series of questions and these are questions that I went around and I asked a bunch of people I said we've got this incredible guest who has an who has an extensive background and and testosterone replacement therapies for that. We just call it trt you do Rejuvenation you do. Anti-aging you do all these incredible things we're going to talk about but my thing is is what made you get into the world of medicine now with that. I want you to explain everything that you do. But what was your fuel that fuel that fire to do this? Because you're doing great things. Yes. So I'm second generation. My godmother. Her name is Elizabeth lipsky and she was one of the first oh geez functional medicine this concept of Integrative Medicine. She wrote the book. I just have Wellness started talking about leaky gut over two decades ago and I've moved in with her when I was 17. I graduated high school early moved in with her and started working for room and board and I watched her see all these patients and utilize nutrition as a Primary Therapy to deal with a lot of stuff and it was at that moment that changed the trajectory of my life and my education so it was from 17 that I became interested and following this path. That's a lot of dedication because I mean I know that's a long road of of cracking open some books. You know, I have a mutual friend who who does the same thing down in Florida? And I mean, you know, he's a neurosurgeon and he does this. So. Yeah, it's amazing just you know, the amount of time and Education and Training that it gets to have you to get qualified to do this because I mean, you know, and I'm going to use this like, you know seals go into a room we have to make life critical decisions in a split second right? Same thing happens to you. Could somebody be coming in here if you mess something up? Yeah, that could be that could be life-threatening. I mean, I don't realize I don't think people realize how much pressure that you know these doctors and people that are have Specialties like you do. Yes, how much is involved with this? I mean this is I can't even imagine, you know, because I mean think about it. Me and Jason come in to see you we're too handsome gentleman that comes to eye but we need to establish that devastatingly. Thank you, but our body our body breakdowns, you know, the And everybody that you know, the molecular structure we are too weird not there's nothing similar about us. There's certain things but you know what might work for me might not work for him. And I just that was the question I've always asked is you know, I know you take you know, we'll get into the process. But how do you how long did it take you to just figure out this process of of just helping people because you know, I know some of the people you've worked with and the results that you have made our amazing now, I've also worked With other anti-aging specialist trt doctors and we'll get into that too that they don't see the results because I don't think they really are wholeheartedly who they say they are do you deal with that a lot? Or I'm I don't and I would say that I do trt, you know hormone replacement therapy, but that's only a small part of what I do. I really look at the whole picture, especially when it comes to all my military operators. Were you exposed to burn pits? Are you shooting guns? Do you have brain? Injury, I mean I look at the whole thing. It's not just this kind of little view. It's a really bird's-eye view and I really I really care about my people right? So you guys are brothers of Shane which means I look at you like family and you become my responsibility and I truly feel that way with each of my patients because for them to get in the door, the initial visit is just an interview to see if it's a match. Okay because you know, although I deal with Incredible human being they have one thing in common, Navy Seals. Yeah, you're right. But all of the individuals that I see have a certain kind of personality and they are willing to do whatever it takes to remove any physical obstacles so that they can go and read my practice is full of leaders. You know, one of the things that I think makes you unique every out it's question that I do have is so you started down this road and nutrition and medicine at 17. But we had talked about this earlier you practice what you preach. I mean I've worked out with you and the amazing Melissa up there in New York. We had a great workout and and I always see you out there fishing, you know to be better and to be stronger. Do you did you did you catch the fitness bog about the same time when you were a teenager? Or and then did it reimburse force it even further as you got deeper into medicine. You really began to understand because that's a really important thing. I know for a lot of our listeners out there. They may understand how to go in the gym and move some weights around or maybe they know how to build, you know, get their heart rate up, but you understand it from both. So how do you try and convey to people out there how important it is to understand? I mean you have a 360-degree view, you know physiological psychological physical. How do you Convey that to other people out there our listeners. Well, the first thing that you have to take a look at is if you've done if you continue to do what you've always done and you don't feel well. So let's say for example an individual is going to train and they're not seeing results and they've tried vegan diets and tried ketogenic diets and try to all these things and there's no improvement or very minimal Improvement. You have to take a step back and look at the process. So if white do you think you're doing isn't working then then at that moment it? Time to say hey, I'm a hamster on a treadmill you step away and you work with someone you find an expert to then begin to systematically program out your nutrition your food your sleep all of these things and really look at it from the big picture. I got a question for you when clients come into you know, you said there's a screening process. Do you find that there's a common deficiency with everybody? Because the question I want to ask is is what are your thoughts on daily protein? And what do you recommend for a good source of protein? Because when I first got seen I was told that I was deficient in a lot of things I wasn't getting enough of this I wasn't getting enough of that. Do you is that something common that you find or is it just people were coming they you know, the switch is come on at 40 and they go. You know what? I've never worked out before in my life. And now when I get in shape, I mean it when you walked in there and they said you were deficient in a couple of things. Did you yell out blasphemy. Now, you've punched that doctor on a serious. I mean, I just want to know no when I went into the doctor my experience with going in to see the doctor was I went in there and I had a bad experience prior. I went in I saw the doctor and he said do you have any questions for me? And I said no and he says get the hell out of my office. Excuse me. He says get out of My office what do you mean you have no questions because the anti aging facility I went to before I felt like I was cattle they rushed me in and they got me out and they said here this is what it's going to cost but then this doctor sat me down and I know this is something that you do to he sat down he goes we're talking about your life your longevity your Wellness your well-being and you're telling me you have no questions. So when you do the screening process, you know, we'll get back to the protein. Have you ever turned someone away and why? Why an inability to commit again my word of the show is commitment and really I do feel strongly the average number of Physicians of people that walk through my office has seen before they get to use 12. So if you have massive issues and I'm telling you here's the first steps that I need you to do and their answer is no or excuses or I just can't that is not a good fit or if you are a person that needs to be enabled that is also not a good fit. It is about being empowered and becoming capable. So if there is not that Synergy then they need to find somebody else and I love that you've got to make the cut and that's what I think sets you a Above the Rest, you know that I have been and I again I'm not going to say who it is. I've been a facilities where you walk in and they don't give a shit anything about you. They say you need this this this you pay the money and you leave and that's when I started educating myself when it going, you know. Shouldn't be feeling like this. I was putting on an extreme amount of weight too quick when I was trying to and that's one of the questions I was trying to build what everybody wants to build lean muscle mass and it seemed like I was just putting on it, you know, if you're doing things wrong, I was I was absorbing a lot of water. I was looking puffy and I was like, this is not what I want to do. So I started reading up on it self educating myself and started trying to you know, look for some credible facilities and the one in there and like I said when I met the You I was with he was like you're taking what? Yeah and you're taking that amount of dosages. He goes That's why you look like, you know puffy puffy. Thank you. I don't like to use paunchy as like the word my mama likes to use but I like pain she won't you but now me moe exactly but you know, I think the key is you know is People I always express the people before you go in and see someone your level they can't go in and just expect you to do everything. I mean like the people that I looked up to in the industry world. They're like, okay, you know, we were talking about Mike ahead of time Au Courant Mike Ahern he's like, you know, are you educating yourself on this? You know before you come to me and ask me a question you better have learned as much as you can and then I'm going to teach you more because obviously he's been in the fitness industry forever, and I think that's The approach people should take when they go to see someone in your specific field don't go in there and just go. Hey, I'm out of shape. Can you fix me? It should be like I have done this and I have tried this and I've tried this because like you said, They only get one shot to get your your business, you know, that's what I like. So that's the that's the advice. I would give to someone, you know, because I do the fitness and I use I use the trt and it is it's an evaluation process to see if you make the cut because yeah, and that's where I want to make it very clear just because you have money and you want to get treated doesn't mean you're going to ladies and gentlemen, it means you better have your shit squared away. You better be willing to commit and you better be willing to know that I mean, it's a process. Yes, you know I I lost about 15 pounds when I was puffy and it it was tough. You know, it was I mean, I've been through tougher but you know, it's when you have food and the shit that's accessible to us processed foods and all the stuff. It's so easy to just give in but when you're held accountable for your own actions and you have to you know, I had a check in with a duck, you know, it's like hey, you're not doing what you need to I love that. I love that about you and I love what you're doing and like I said. I'm going to give you my Cape your superhero, too. You know and I use what you know if I can use hormone as a Gateway, but really, you know, let's say you're in the military. You're King guy. It's a Segway to everything else. Right? So hormones is just the tip of the iceberg. It's also were you exposed to heavy metals? Are you jumping out of airplanes? Do your blast exposure? There's all these other things that you work to augment and then when you do all of these things you come out really on top Then longevity becomes the key player. So Gabrielle, we have a lot of listeners right now that are in all sorts of varying stages of Fitness Nutrition different points in their life. What advice would you give right now? If you were to tell someone here's how I want you to self assess yourself to kind of figure out where you are, you know, if you were to talk them through the different areas of your life because obviously let's just hypothetically say we have someone who is grossly overweight. I hadn't worked out in a while. Yeah, they're fluffy. They're super fluffy am paunchy and I love you out there, but you know they are but they're at they're like man, I really need to start but I just don't know where to go. How would you assess them? Because obviously coming to you you I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you would want that person to come to you immediately. How would you have them self assess to decide what the road is to better Optimal Health? Yeah first Is really making the decision. So are they sick and tired of being soft and fluffy and exhausted and not performing well in their life and if the answer is yes, then they would come and see me first thing off the bat we do is we deal with nutrition, right? So you want to I have them eliminate really the overarching theme is excess calories and Gabrielle. I want to tell you I mean I've been working with you and the 10 cheeseburger a day diet. You probably gonna suck the greatest and donuts you did donuts and it's fries you progress prescribing stomach Jason you have you got there yet. I'm good. I'm good. I've been slaying it. So alright go on. So go back to nutrition. I'm sorry. You have to build the foundation of the house first and there's no reason people don't need the kind of carbohydrates that they're eating. So first thing that goes is carbohydrates. The second thing that we do is their protein should be optimized and if they're really overweight I'll put them on Intermittent fasting or time restricted feeding. There's some really good evidence to do that helps the body regulate its own metabolism. So I'll put them in at 8:00 to 9:00 hour feeding window and protein should be high. I like to use protein the grams per ideal body mass. So if someone is 300 pounds, but they want to be 200 pounds then that is where we start if there's someone fit like you guys then for you your protein intake would be based on how much you want to weigh. So because there's no yes, I want to ask you a question and I love this and this is what people ask me all the time and well, let's use me. Okay, you can do this real quick. And I know you can and I know the answer so it's rhetorical. I weigh 205 pounds. Okay, and I want to be a you know, now that thank you, but no that's not what I'm saying. You heard that she said I was great but my question is is very upset. If someone said that about me, but okay, I want to weigh 200 and I want to weigh a hundred ninety five pounds. What is the equation? In that you formulate to do that with someone protein macros. Could you break that down in layman's terms? Thank you. So for you your protein intake should be between a hunter should be between a hundred ninety five to two hundred and you know could even be 220 grams of protein the more you cut your calories the higher your protein need. It needs to be. So right off the bat. That's where I would start with you. I would divide that into 40 to 50 grams. Meals because that is what is ideal for overcoming antibiotic resistance and muscle protein synthesis. We all know that based on the amino acids, and I don't want to get too technical so that the who's the listeners but between 30 and 50 grams of protein per meal would be ideal for I don't know Gabrielle you had me at amino acid. He's an idiot. From a body composition perspective your for every hundred grams of protein that you ingest. Your body can make 60 grams of carbohydrates. I am optimal protein. I'm high protein. I am very low carb person. That's what I'd recommend for you. But the guys that are in the gym, you know, like Johnny our friend Johnny. He does not do carbs. Look at them guy's a beast. What do you say about somebody? That's maybe 230 that's got a little weight on them. What is their ideal body weight? I don't know hounds I'm thinking like 185. Whoo. Okay, so then you could your first nine take protein intake should be a hundred 85 grams, even it could be even 200 and then you cut the carbohydrates your body should be very efficient at Burning. I meet another Fruit Roll-Up. Don't you dare? I will kill you Dad. The producer was yeah that that crinkling in the background by the way was mr. Producer. They should though that's pretty good. And and Johnny Johnny is not Not a beast. Obviously, you have not seen me with my shirt off ma'am, and we're not there on and if you weren't married to a team guy, you would see me attempt to take my shirt off but no great stuff. I love it. And a lot of people don't understand that equation are like I want to be this and I want to be this and I mean you broke it down. It's very simple. Yes, it's simple if you've done a little education you figured out it it's a formula would you that's all it is right. It's just you're punching in numbers. I mean you have to do the work, but With the protein intake, you know you figure out you know, how many meals you're going to take how much chicken or whatever the protein is going to be with your shake or whatever and like you just said you divide that up and three times a day if I'm getting my anywhere from a hundred ninety-five to 200 220 grams of protein and I'm keeping my carbs down then if I'm doing everything right if I'm doing the right type of workouts, I do hypertrophy workouts right now. I'm using Jeff Nichols program, but there what would you think the how long would something like that? Take if in like in a perfect world if someone's really following one of your programs. Let's use let's use my scenario 205. I'd like to drop 10 pounds. In a month, you know, obviously we'd also like your thyroid in your hormones and you're gonna help but within a month, you should begin you should see a change, you know, and I'm not afraid to use things that we need to so we try to do it through nutrition. But if you haven't balances then we move to something, you know in my practice. I've been using a lot of am Lex Knox or Tessa penson are things that help augment the resting metabolic rate which to have beneficial side effects like increased brain health. things like that or immune modulation That's that's amazing. And I think people really need to hear this. I actually just don't know if you see me typing. I just wrote the Jason I said, this is I wrote this is amazing people need to hear this. I really wrote and he when she talks. Yes, it's amazing because people ask me this all the time and I'm like, it's not that hard. If you just can salt with the right people and I just learned a couple things about the carbs from you and I wrote them down. So this is a two-fold for me. So I get to interview you and pick your brain for free so it's a When we have to we have to decide how carbohydrate tolerant are you a guy like Mike O'Hearn he can he works. So well, I mean, he's like a machine that he can probably get away with more carbohydrates than say another person is you know, it is trial and error but getting the protein right first is key. So that is the non-negotiable. So it's starting on the on the on that nutritional foundation. So from there, you know now you start getting into the realm of you know, we have people out there who you know, all they want to do is lift weights. You have some that. All they want to do is run and they think if all I do is run or do a lot of cardio. I'm going to lose weight that way I mean on the body itself physiologically, where do we want to be? I mean, we have a lot of listeners out there. Like I said in all different phases of Fitness show. I'm at Ground Zero somewhat higher levels like Ray who are going to tell you ran. I'm really impressed. I mean you actually admitted that you learned something today I did and you know, I joke around a lot but I take nutrition very serious and I'm always on a serious note kind of like you're always trying to be like me. I'm always trying to hone in myself set until and be better. Now the question I have to ask is and I again, I'm just going to call you doc because we're Beyond names because we know each other so well. Do you think you are good enough doctor to ever make Jason look like me now? Hold on. I'm not done and then make me make me look like Big Mike. Could we do that? I know I'm only 5 foot 7, but if you could make me look like Big Mike and Jason could look like me. I think the universe will have found perfect balance. Can you do that? I'm afraid of this plan. I can't wait to hear this. There's always a chance. There's always a chance that there's a 1% chance point one percent chance. It's still a chance. So you're saying this is shit. Okay, now I love it. So but let's go back to that question that so many people have these different ideas. You have a lot who think oh, I'm overweight and I need to just do cardio to lose weight or you have I hear a lot of women who say well I don't want to lift weights in my wife. God bless her is one of them. She's like, I don't want to lift weights because I don't want to put big muscles on that never happened in the history of ever, right? That's like something I'd say. I love it. That's a clinical term. Ladies and gentlemen. Yes, I'm a we know that the most important thing that you can have is muscle mass so muscle is actually an organ. It's like an endocrine organ the more you have when you challenge it it secretes things called myokines which are anti-inflammatory for the body. We know that the more muscle mass you have in midlife and the fitter you are the your chances of survival. Our much high are also in terms of Alzheimer's disease and cognitive function The Wider your waistline the lower your brain volume. All of this to be said metabolism is the most important aspect of this and metabolism is largely determined by your muscle by increasing muscle mass. So if you've ever seen the marathon runners and the people that are skinny and just wanted to run and have low muscle mass they're doing To service. You really need to be well-rounded. I'm well-rounded producers of sugar. How's he gonna feel when he comes off as sugar kick dot 90 minutes ago is going to be starving. Well, this is insulin never going to lose what was taking it back to my childhood. I went to BJ's yesterday and I was like man, I I saw I was going to get blowed Blow Pops and BJ's don't ask me why I know that don't go there, but I saw Roll-Ups, and I was like, oh man I want for and they're 72 of them and they're my wife didn't know that I did it so they got to be gone before. Yeah, you've eaten like 60 of them right here. I had 20 yesterday. I gave a bunch of worked way. And yeah, it's been turned away from the lights turn away from the light ma'am. I don't know if you can see lt's table but he has eaten one two, three four. He is a client of yours. That's true. I'm not ratting me out where I had one. One I'm firing. Jason is my kitchen you are a liar extraordinaire. So going back though to going back to on the fitness levels and people that are out there and how they can find that balance. Where would you recommend the average person to find that balance if they're getting ready to start and then I want to come back to a second point that you talked about because it's a point I talked about in physical leadership that Ability to be physically fit and balanced plays such a critical part in our ability to manage stress and everything else in our lives. So so the first question is if someone starting out maybe I have someone out there that they they can't afford you yet. Someday, they want to get to you and they want to do optimize their Fitness. But what would you recommend they do and we talked about nutrition that we want to get the protein that roughly from what I'm hearing is your protein should be roughly equivalent. Aunt protein intake should be roughly equivalent to where you want to be as far as your body weight give or take, correct. Yep. That's right. Okay, and then secondary that we want to lower our carbohydrate intake if we want to try and lose weight and get our metabolism furnace firing. Listen, my friend Jim. He says that protein and vegetables will make all your dreams come true. Man, and I thought it was Vegas and dice and wait what you're gonna get fired as her client and I'm going to step right in because that's why I'm not watching my smartass comments with her. I love it. Okay, so you bring up a really good point in terms of exercise, right? I think that having there are people that do programming for a living like Kara Kara Killian former typing game athlete is this is what she does. She's a beast. She's a bitch. She won't my program and I am very so I'm very sure right now from Tuesday's leg workout. Try working out with right or both hamstrings broke my shoulder and tore my right one man. Yeah. Anyway, good luck. Yeah, thanks. It's only because I didn't listen I was I'm really stubborn she is. So anyway back to your your question. What should someone do who hasn't started training find a really good coach otherwise will waste a lot of time and do these very haphazardly. It's the same thing with nutrition. It's the same thing with medicine in terms of starting obviously have to make sure that your movement patterns are correct. I work with Melissa Paris. She watches me like a hawk and then I go to physical therapy, you know, Emily cupboard you haven't met her yet, but at Urban Wellness and we look at these things really all-encompassing so finding someone like Cara who programs out. What are the progression so you don't hurt yourself so you can have longevity. Okay, Jack. No, that's good advice. I mean there's a lot of different places out there. You know, you know, there's a Fit Body Boot Camp. That's here in yeah. Yeah, it's great for Jasper Chesapeake. Yeah, I went took a look at it. So for those of you that are out there looking for a good gym. I think a lot of people there's all kinds of gems out there. But Gabriel said it I mean Ray is doing it raised providing Fitness coaching. There are a lot of individuals that are doing it. Maybe you can't afford an individual Fitness coach Fit Body Boot. Camp is a great. A place where you can go where you have one coach that's kind of training a group of people at one time, but they're walking around and they're watching how everybody's movements are any saris key down in Florida. If you're a southern Florida and he is like he is a he's like the Energizer Bunny on crack that got dipped in plutonium. He makes me look like a haemon Quay let your dad. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. So but Andy is incredible and if you're down there in Southern, Florida you need to Kim op he's got a great program, but the bottom line you got to get out there and start doing something and finding someone to help you walk down that path if they've never done it before they should definitely have guidance right? It's like with anything else course, it would be foolish for me to say. Okay. Okay. Yes, you can start walking and moving and doing these things. But if you really want to 10x your motion forward having experts and allocating funds to do that. That's key. So I have a I have a question. It's about the process. So I want you to walk me through this. Okay? It's a two-part question, but I know you can handle it. So I am I am 47 but I am an individual. Okay, I'm feeling I've got some symptoms and I'm gonna let you say I'm I'm feeling tired. I'm feeling sluggish whatever. It may be. What are some symptoms that individuals notice I said individuals male and female should be looking for as triggers or mechanisms that they may be Efficient in certain areas, that's number one. And then number two with that. What would the process be to come? See someone like you and what credit what creds I like to use the word credits or you know, you have obviously your word of mouth, you know, your reputation your titles everything you've done but what should people look for when coming to see a specialist, you know, what sets certain individuals Above the Rest, you know, because obviously this is my fitness, you know, and I I'm a motivational speaker and I'm a fitness Guru and the one thing that really pisses me off is that and I'm going to give you this in the let you answer it is people will spend millions and millions of dollars. If a loved one is sick in the hospital they have cancer and they've gotten behind the power curve, but they won't spend x amount of dollars which is Pennies on the dollars to beat stay ahead of the game and it pisses me off more than anything. So what is your process of you know individuals? Hey, what symptoms should they look for and then what? process to seek out a credible anti-aging trt hormonal replacement somebody to your caliber. What should they look for? These are great questions and two parts. I can handle it. Yes, ma'am. I know you can three questionable what they feel the number one the symptoms always have to match the treatment if an individual has been number one feeling fatigued number two low sex drive number three just not feeling like themselves to hear this all the time. I just don't feel like I used to and then I ask them. When was the last time you felt good and they say, oh wow. I was in my 20s that tells me right then and there that they've had this protect trajectory of Aging whether it's low testosterone low hormones for women to low testosterone hormones poor nutrition. I see a ton of people with inflammation parasitic infections people travel we have access to foods from all over. So those I would say the top three things that people would say also physical systems losing, you know hair on your legs. If you're a guy looked like a you know, 12 year old girl women losing hair on their head their eyebrows their eyelashes and peeling really puffy all of these things. Can be everybody's shaking their legs after Ron Roberts got bald legs. You see me on my phone. I'm actually taking notes of what you're saying. I get questions all the time, but I'm taking notes, but I'm watching him checking his leg soon as she said that but these are key and I didn't know that about the the hair on the Lakes I didn't so I actually wrote that down. That's that's very interesting. I'd love to pick your brain. But please continue. I apologize. Those are really the big thing the big symptoms that anyone that I You all the time and fatigue is a big one then change in sleep patterns for ship a lot of the lifestyle things are not just lifestyle and increasing need for stimulants. My the average amount of caffeine. My team guy patient can't drinks is 10 cups. You know, that's why I'm proud of them. I'm so proud of them. What was that coffee? 10 cups of coffee. I had a preacher in here a couple weeks ago and he He's like 260 pounds six foot sitting here and he's just so calm I go over and check his pulse that fucking things like 1:30. He says I'm pretty tired these days myself. No shit. You just had 10 cups of 12 ounce coffee. Yeah your hearts your hearts tired, but for pumping 131 here sitting I'm excited. We got her to say the f bomb. Destructive if you don't know what this woman looks like she looks like something out of a magazine prim and proper. She's actually sitting I'm actually trying to sit up straight because her posture so awesome because she's like his fucking heart. I was awesome. This isn't natural be yeah, the whole point of me and telling me about this guy is that you'll try to compensate for symptoms. So if you're finding that you let's say you take Adderall you're needing more Adderall you are nasty looking for things to help. You stay awake like modafinil. You're really looking. Looking for and doing activities that are increasing in intensity to cover up symptoms. It's not necessarily conscious thing. It's very subconscious. So that that is those are the big signs that I see where people should be coming in here or just that nagging those nagging injuries that aren't improving it and now it's moving from one joint. Nice. I love it things of that nature. So Gary, I want to go back to the one question. I had asked earlier that we kind of skimmed over because we really were coming full circle. I mean we've talked about nutrition we've talked about, you know, the exercise how critical it is for us to move this this machine we walk around in was designed to move and in this sedentary world, we live in with you know phones and movies and binge watching TV people are moving less and less and and that's why it's so You have to exercise because otherwise this machine is going to atrophy and you're going to die. I think I read a statistic or I wrote in my book that and you may know this statistic better that in the next 10 years. What one in six people are going to be type 2 diabetics I think is what I read somewhere. Gross all preventable. Yeah, and it's from our diet and it's from exercise. So what I wanted to come back full circle is the health benefits of optimizing yourself. If you were to look at someone like me who's putting your putting your things in place when I don't get seduced, you know what this one wasn't even eating and you counted it when you're not getting seduced by Fruit Roll-Ups, but how they Implement those things. Into their life and the impact it makes for them. So this is where you start to look at their blood work and you actually can see you know, hey, I'm seeing a degradation and inflammation, you know, whatever what are the things you're able to see that? You know, we're making a difference in these people. I mean on a very fundamental level again we talk about the foundation of the house vitamin D. That is almost always low. I see low thyroid. I see a lot of improvement in CRP and sed rate both are inflammatory markers when you get your hormones and balance you see those things improve also cholesterol when you are on the right hormone, if you are a guy you have elevated issues with cholesterol for example doing a cream which to better than doing an injection. So we see all of these Things improved and then what's so interesting is then symptoms become better and when we think about longevity the big organ people are worried about is the brain we know that proper hormone balance can really augment brain function also bone you be problem with falling breaking a hip hormones are necessary for these things and muscle mass is necessary for these things. So if we even look at it from a kind of physical level just from the outside in and you have this capacity to prevent this terrible trajectory of Aging of what we think is normal because we live in this domesticated society, which you said, we're sudden Terry so by counteracting that with proper nutrition proper protein lowering inflammation keeping excess calories low, then you have this potential for living a life that is not Shackled by physical limitation, which I think so many people have but you know you are Little bit unique right now and there's a audience out there that I think probably also is you know is sitting in the same chair you are and that is that we're not actually interviewing one person. We're interviewing two people right now because yes, wait what? Yeah. Yeah. Now there's two. Yeah, so dr. A baby girl on the way, that's right. The team got curse in full effect. Yeah Shane ha so. But listen the question it what's amazing is you now our this is obviously your guys first child. So now you are continuing to work out but I know we have a lot of pregnant women that are out there and I know I see it a lot where women are like, oh I can't do this or I can't do that. Or maybe I can't eat this or I shouldn't do that. So what advice do you have for a pregnant women out there to optimize their health so that it's best for them. And obviously, it's Beth best for the baby. They are building. I would say number one is definitely listen to your body. I actually was sick for five months. I am just over the hump of being sick, but I've been sick for five months morning sickness all day long. I don't know why they call morning seems like it's all day, but I still showed up and I trained it doesn't mean that my training was focused on building muscle or improving body composition, but it was and you know and Mike's girlfriend Monica. I just had a baby. It's all about maintaining them. Muscle tissue that you have them so you don't get just a tional diabetes and also not talking yourself out of it. There's a fine line between I'm just going to lay here because I'm exhausted and you know folding that one piece of thing that one shirt is going to be exhausting to I'm not going to do anything so you can talk yourself out of it. I would say doing some kind of physical activity 3 to 4 days a week is really important and also weightlifting for pregnancy is also really important whether you feel like it or not and I would get sick and go driving in a bathroom, but I'm Shawna and is there anything that they shouldn't do that woman shouldn't do is fight. I mean, you know should they be doing I don't know heavy squats or anything like that. No, when they're pregnant, we increased that intra-abdominal pressure but working with Melissa Paris. Who by the way has a fit fourth. This is a program that she's designed for pregnant women and they can find her at Melissa Paris and her like Melissa Paris business. I post all the time that they can actually get a program doubt schedule of what they need to be doing. And and that's very important. I do also not to change the subject. Wanted to answer a question about what do you how should you look at a partitioner don't want to forget to answer that because I think that that is absolutely valuable. I actually made fun of you because I thought you forgot it. I type that and now I got to retract it. So go ahead damn it. This is a you know, we live in this Society where there's a lot of noise and a lot of people are experts and that's never been that way before where there's a lot of bloggers and a lot of People that are not Physicians that are giving kind of medical advice and that is a huge red flag to me when I look at how I got to be where I am today. I'm always growing I'm always learning. I'm going to find the best physicians in the country to learn from them the old guys, you know, the O G's for someone who's getting nutrition advice. Then you want to make sure that they've trained in nutrition. My undergraduate is from the University of Illinois in human nutrition vitamin mineral metabolism, and then I did a fellowship. And nutritional Sciences have Wash U which if anyone is familiar with that, it's pretty pretty rigorous and part of that Fellowship was obesity medicine and geriatrics. So finding someone who has actually done a specialization is really really key and You know, I did two years of Psychiatry and then three years of family medicine. So if some shit goes south I'm going to know what's going on. But then also trained in this concept of wellness and then always learn think that that's important and then also betting The Physician by other people that you trust love it. I actually have a question of a dying to ask you and it's just we can explain what it is, but I'm going to I'm going to say a name of a medication and I just want to want you to tell me yes or no, is that fair? Yes met form. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have read so many controversial articles and and literature on it this that you know, and yes, thank you so much. Maybe you can great drug talk about it real quick just for people. I don't think I could do it justice like you could thank you for men's been around for 60 years. It's been originally used in the treatment of type 2 diabetes to improve insulin sensitivity. But what we're finding is that it does improve insulin sensitivity, but it also has an effect on the gut microbiome that we don't really know. It's been studied in longevity and also as an anti-cancer mechanism would I recommend it and do I recommend it with my patients? I do thank you. Yes, and to all you- naysayers out there. I'm not giving that to you doc. You can just do need to be unique to take B vitamins vitamins. So the peripheral neuropathy that they saw. So and do see in a lot of diabetics that have been on Metformin for a long time that becomes an issue. So really making sure that you are up on all your B vitamins is can't having that that tested but metformin can be great and you combine that foreman and this is not standard practice with a low carbohydrate diet. I have seen people get absolutely shredded just saying I like shit and I'm shredded look at me. I'm sorry to say I was I was luring you in The show we're coming up. We're about we're coming up on the end of the show. I do have one last component because we've talked I talked about three components in my physical leadership and that is obviously working out. It is nutrition. And the last component is sleep and sleep is really overlooked and we're learning so much more about sleep just real quickly doc. If you could give me a 2 minute assessment on the importance of sleep because I mean and Team guys are the worst and and Terry guys are the worst because we think we're superhuman and we think because we went through hell week and we went an entire week without sleep that we can operate that way and and science has proven that a hundred percent wrong. So for all these business guys, I know and people who brag to me I'll meet people in there like yeah, I get by on four hours of sleep at night and I'm like, well I can tell you right now you are all jacked up and you're probably tired as fuck right now so low tea Tell me about the guy. It's going to affect your testosterone. They're like, okay, I'm out by 9:00. Trust me on this either. It's going to affect your hair or your testosterone doc. Whatever you say. So sleep is really interesting sleep is very important. Not just for energy but for glucose regulation, if you want to be lean and you want to have a good blood glucose profile, which is what we all care about is having, you know, low insulin low glucose not below normal. Levels but really keeping that level so you're not gaining weight and increasing your insolence unique effects that we know that night workers night shift workers given the same diet as someone who is on a normal sleep wake cycle will have increased glucose increase insulin will become pre-diabetic just from the change and the alterations in their sleep cycles that I mean. So right then and there the other big thing was sleepers dementia cognitive impairment the brain the glial cells regenerate and clean themselves. And it gets rid of waste when you sleep if you don't sleep you cannot do that. So the average person out there. I know everybody's different genetically. I feel like I've come to find that six and a half to seven hours of sleep is what I need six and a half seems to be pretty good for me. If I start getting less than six hours of sleep at night. I definitely feel it over a period of days. So how do you encourage people to kind of find? What is the optimal sleep they need because everybody is different. Well number one. I do also recommend. We haven't talked about this, but everyone should get tested. Personally back. Yeah within reason you all should be tested Ray. You should test for sleep apnea. Can you a lot of our listeners don't you're not really you're not really an operator. If you're not traveling to some cab. That's what they say. That's so true. You know, Jason swim buddy who's a really good friend of mine was diagnosed with sleep apnea and they've also done all these other tests on him that even when he's sleeping regardless of the sleep apnea. He's like sleeping like he's in a war zone, so he's not even getting Yeah, my sleep my brain. It was the same way when I went out to the brain Treatment Center. My fighter flight Brave way brainwave stays active. It's just firing. So but back to sleep and people should get tested for sleep. Apnea. What is that for the people that don't know? Well, I mean, it could be obstructive sleep apnea, which is a mechanical issue or Central seat sleep apnea, which is a brain issue. But the bottom line is that you stop breathing. We're not oxygenating your body. It can set you up for cardiac arrhythmia so hard problems as well as hypertension. And then if you're not getting in that deep sleep you're not going to make a hormones that you need to so that is something that we see with head trauma if you'd like to jump out of planes or you've had microtrauma like to shoot guns. Let's say your company behind you or somebody behind Did you read or somebody opened your door? So you know, that's that's probably Chop Chop. Yep, gotcha. So those are the kinds of things that they should definitely you should think about when it comes to sleep. The other aspect of that is. A great place to start is seven to eight hours. Some people are night people. Some people are morning people really finding out what your rhythm is and sticking to it. So turning Electronics off obviously phone should be away from the head because that has been shown to affect brain future brain. You know, I ran a dementia clinic at Wash U. It's part of the job is the fellow and one of the risk factors is keeping your cell phone by your head. Well, no kid. Okay. We'll listen we We have man they're so you have dropped so much knowledge on everybody out there. I mean we've covered nutrition. We've covered the fitness. We have covered sleep. We've covered optimal where do people find you dr. Gabriela and where can we find you and where can they get more information about you? So there's I'm definitely very very active on Instagram. And that's stuck together real lion. My website is dr. Gabriel line.com. I'm on Twitter and Facebook also in the same. Capacity dr. Gabriel lion. There's also something very important that I feel very passionate about a group that I work with. I work with foundation called task force dagger, which is guys either come to me like you Jason just on their own as patients or I see combat operators from all over the country this Foundation has a health initiative that they will send people to me each that I will help them with the kind of medicine that I practice and if you're interested in donating want to learn more or if you're an operator. Needs help, but cannot afford my services or all this other testing and things please connect the task force dagger. And if you have some extra money and you want to spend it and you don't want to buy another pair of shoes, please donate to them. Absolutely no task force dagger is a great group. Dr. Lyon is also a speaker. You can have her come in and speak on optimization and health and fitness. She is with eagle rise speakers so you can look us up and And we can help get her on that stage in front of you to educate your people on optimizing who they are. So yeah, it has been amazing. We're going to wrap things up. Let Hey two-minute motivation on Commit. Dr. Lyon it's been amazing to have you on would you like to close with why commit is such an important word for you? I've missed the last part. Would you we're closing with our two minutes and motivation. Would you like to do the honors of just a quick close on why it is so important for the word of the day commit why people need to commit to these areas that we talked about today. Yes commitment is key if you want success in life in any Endeavor that you have if you lack commitment the chances of success are incredibly low. Ultimately. We want to just live the best version of ourselves. Ourselves for others show up the best we can the only way to do that for this to be a hundred percent in all the time. I love it. I love it. You know what? I'm gonna let you go because last week your boom was pathetic and I'm going to finish with the real boom. Yeah it really it really wasn't synthetic. Boom. I will I will take full ownership of my week. Boom. So all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna hey one minute motivation on Commit. It is everything you need everything we talk about when I talk about the Pentagon a Peak Performance Physical leadership metal leadership emotional leadership social leadership and spiritual leadership. You have to commit I don't care. You do in your life. If you are not willing to commit. I mean it is what I talked about change. The very first rule of change is you have to commit to change so many people never commit so they never get into the action or the discipline. Everything doctor Gabrielle talked about today. There is an action and there is a discipline that you have to implement to make it work that is what is about so if you're out there right now and I want to say something it is never too late to start. I don't care if you weigh 600 pounds listen to this show and you're like, oh my God. I will never get there. Yes, you will. All you have to do is commit. It just says I'm going to drive forward. I'm going to start taking that action and start taking that discipline and you will take ownership of your life. Boom. Commit guys all in balls. And I know I'm a little bit of raw lower than the rest. But here's the deal in order to conquer the world. You must conquer yourself just like life and health it all starts from the inside out. Okay, if you want to start conquering things take better care of yourself make the commitment to invest in yourself. Off ladies and gentlemen, you get one life. You get one chance some of us get our a little lucky and they get more than one but like these individual said it's never too early or too late. Trust me. Okay, stay ahead of the game. Stop wasting time and procrastinating greatness and health and start making the commitment to be the best you you can be wait for it. Boom. Yeah, baby. All right, dr. Lyon. Thank you so much for being on with us. I look forward to seeing you up there and crush it. It so that I look like Ray and Ray looks like Michael learn what an honor ma'am. Seriously, I don't say it often complete honor. I literally have tons of notes. Thank you. All right. This has been the jar overcome Show episode 16. I'm Jason overcome Redmond, and I'm Ray cash care and we are out boom. Thanks for listening to the Jr. Overcome show tune in next time and please remember to subscribe on iTunes and SoundCloud please visit Jr. Overcome show.com. Hey, this is Ray cash care. 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 JR Overcome Show - Episode 16 - She's the one they call Dr. Feelgood - Ray' Cash" Care is back on the show and dropping the boom as he and Jason "Overcome" Redman interview functional medicine physician Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. Dr. Lyon is a nationally recognized expert in body optimization and focuses on helping her patients understand their strengths and weaknesses while helping them develop robust programs built around muscle growth and development. Always backed by metabolic science, Dr. Gabrielle helps elite athletes and elite special operations members across the country achieve elite fitness. Dr. Lyon is not only an academic, she is a practitioner of what she preaches, working out daily and setting the example as a  national semifinalist in Fitness America, a professional fitness model and nationally ranked figure competitor. Jason and Ray dig deep into fitness optimization and Dr. Gabrielle gives great insight into how you can build the best you all built around the word of the day, Committed. . As Always we close with 2 Minutes of motivation - shotgunning our views on the Overcome Mindset & Resilience! - Time to get your Conquer & Overcome on! Email us at [email protected] for comments, questions or just to sing our Awesome praises!

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I'm an ant we and to my left is the amazing Kitty Kaboom. Oh, thank you who hosts on the Harlot show and she is bringing the Heat and bring my he I love the show. Yes. Yeah. It's a really great show. So what did you think overall? So my overall thoughts first of all, let me just point out. This is not my face and I didn't make a mistake. This is an homage and I think we should do that probably like at the last last show just like dressed up in a corset to know vicious. I remember she's got the accent. She's got the mole on her face. She is all in I'm all that dumb thing. Only thing I'm not because I'm not stripping down. Yeah. It's my skinny na to get money. No not my style. But I will say this My overall thoughts on the show are that it was amazing. Like I'm all the way in I love this show. I bench watched last season and I didn't disappoint. I knew we were going to get new people in I'm The old characters that either died or had to go away for whatever reasons but I am just so excited to see all of these new characters show up and hello black girl magic showed up in 1800. I love that the new biggest character who appears to be quite the Madam herself is a black woman with an Asian son. No less. So that should be interesting. Yeah, you know what? I thought they're just bringing it this season. I'm loving Charlotte. I'm loving Lucy. I'm loving all the growth So the character yeah, you can tell they've they've been through some things and what's interesting about the show is what's up is down with down as up exactly one time you're leading and sometimes you're in the gutter. You just don't know with this show what's going on here actually rap is just thinking but they're all such a family still. So even though they're harlots and Scoundrels and liars and thieves they kind of still take care of themselves. They most certain and each other which I think is really really interesting. Yeah guys, we have that. We've got Harlot of the week coming up. I have court of the show and a little Harlot history little that. We can learn a little something on our show, but besides that let's just jump right in. Yes. Okay. So opening scene. We see this girl character that we haven't met yet, which I like that they do the introduce the characters as if they're just already part of the show. I like that too. She's in the stable having sex and she gets caught and because she's having sex in the stable with a guy that she knew new know if we for her whole life, but she signed out later they they take her away. And they put her in the madhouse and who do we fight in the madhouse with her but Lydia could lie. What do you think of that whole situation? Well, first of all, I feel for the girl. I think it's so ridiculous that in this day and this particular day and time, you know, the setting that it's in that there's either one way or the other you're just being mentally against this kind of lifestyle and anything to do with it and you're just so pure driven snow and you would never or you're like in the depths of it and down with the dirties even if you're like, T get on me like Lydia was you're still getting it in and being a part of this world and maneuvering and navigating and I don't know it's just interesting to me how crazy it is. Why would you put this child in a mess? She's a child and she obviously is experiencing sex for the first time that makes her mad. Yeah keyless, but I did love love love that Lydia was in their first of all, can we just shout out the actress? I should have done my homework. I apologize. I don't know Lydia's real name right now at the top of my head, but I will say that she is amazing at what she does. It's just killing the game this actress. Yes, I mean she really puts her foot in it every single week. She is the epitome of class and culture only to turn around and like, you know, I'll tell you I'll stab you throw your eyes and just go wash your real know. What I loved about her is that she is really showing how she's trying to keep her 70 and not be mad but at the same time dealing with a crazy situation, I mean for her to go man who would blame her. There's a quite a bit that's happened, but I'm not she's made it. So as much as I hate her, I'm so glad to see you're back. Well, I think that and I'll save it for prediction. But I think that they're really showing how the downfall is the downfall because she was the queen my gosh Scarlett me. Yeah, and now we see her in this madhouse and they haven't run this spinning machine and they're trying to get the Mad out of her right but in addition to that there it's like evacuation will come from every orifice. Us of her right? That wasn't a saint wasn't it? Yeah shooting out of every orifice. That's not something. I want to look forward to. Yeah, and then they were just really torturing her which you know, we mentioned was a sign of the times. Yeah, we're just going to torture it out of you and they were waterboarding her almost or dipping her in that water was the other young lady that they put in the water the new character Catherine. Hmm But torture. Yeah, like periods are exactly torturing ever and then we see how Catherine and Lydia are starting to form an alliance. Yeah, and that friendship. I have a feeling it's going to mean something in the future of goodness. Yes, but what I thought was interesting was Lydia is able to keep her mind straight and then we see at least enough to function. Yeah, and then we see her get a visitor and Isabella visit sir. Hmm. What did you think of all of that? I thought it was a little even for Isabella. It seemed a little push like she's such a pretty pretty. Pretty woman, right and she's so kept and she's so not contrived. What's the word? She's I like her I like the character. I like that. She's put together. Well, what I don't like is that they played this naive take hard like she's kept up in his Ivory Tower and she just doesn't know how life works, you know what I mean for her to show up in the jail and be like, I know you're the culprit like those woman been here for a year. Nobody's listening to her anymore. She is not that chick that's running stuff and able to like put out the feelers. Oh, yeah, I'll give you 20 rubles or whatever. You know what I mean there. Trinkets in order for you to go blab your mouth to the the local rag. No one cares. They've completely forgot about this woman to some extent. So for her to even dawn the door of Lydia quickly just seems ridiculous a naive on her part. I think she is naive like I think that she has lived a sheltered life. You think yeah because my brother her brother and just like the money and being, you know closed down because we did also see her with Fanny and excuse me with Nancy and Nancy said listen own your Scandal. That's right. She turned around and owned it and said I'm owning this candle. Have you ever had a kid out of wedlock? What? Okay, so that in the room like and now what's not like that you sitting over there talking about the virtue of your wife ain't you Somethin Right? That's awesome. So I'm thinking that she went to see Lydia in that naive sense that oh, she thinks Lydia still running things right then she turns And says, you know what take her out of those shackles. Yes, like clean her up. I want her to be forever indebted to me. Yeah and make sure that you never let her out because she is dangerous right because she's good and Grace, right so proven herself to be batshit crazy. Yeah, and the thing is she was so evil before she was in there. That's why it's hard to believe that I feel this way. Like I'm so happy she will probably because I know that's going to make for good TV, but it's difficult to watch her just go through that. She's just so Oh evil. She's praying on that girl. There's no question in my mind that once she gets her released which she will she will prey on her and make sure that she's hurt her. How do they say in the these days? It's your bottom B, right? Yeah, whatever best earner write whatever they call them. She's totally going to be roped into that lifestyle. It's only a matter of time. Yeah, but she likes sex and I mean we can get to that and protect ya know, but I think that you might be on to something. Let's talk a little bit about Lucy. How far Lucy's come so we see Lucy and she is running like a gambling thing with the guys writing them spend all their money and she has all these challenges and then we see that she kind of has like the smart one. She states she saved all their money got like 200 whatever dollars were rupees whatever they're calling it and she basically meets this new character bet. Harper AKA Elizabeth Harvey now right and becomes partners with her. Hmm. But second independent given each other even time to know their names for right and they take over this auction and my golden square and they're going to go into business together. Now, what I thought was interesting is that this new character Elizabeth. She was already made another Alliance. So it's there's a silent partner quote unquote in this business as well. And what I think is a great twist is that when Lucy said to the brother the son Freedom, you're a Molly. Yeah. I caught that in the beauty. Did you got that and it went right over my head it went right over my head. So they're going to have a co-ed a co-editor. Well because because this is going to work there as well. That's not going to bring her girl that would work. Okay. So this is what's going to happen. This is gonna bring her girls and because the house just burned down there. We know about already has Charlotte the go. All Charlotte's girls are gonna go to Lucy Lucy is Charlotte going to be together in the house and then you're gonna have Elizabeth in the boy. So it's going to be a co-ed rocker. Irony could not be any better there at Golden Square after everything the Lydia put them through and all the headache the heartache the everything. Oh, come on, that is just superb. That's so juicy. What I think is great is that there's so many new houses now. Yeah. Yeah, right Ryan says, so we're going to have Coed house, and then we already know that we have an exotic exotic coat and I'm and that's Harriet, right? That's very task. Right? So we have an exotic house now and then we have like the tavern house where Emily is potassium is nasty. It's nasty. But I mean you have those levels, right? Yeah, the people you know what you can afford and what you can't afford I suppose the point. So I think that this is going to be a good thing for Lucy. I also think that Elizabeth is going to end. Underestimate her because she did say that. Oh, yeah easily manipulated didn't it kills likes what Carly get out for two seconds. That's how they get you no, no. No, this girl's done kill people, but we don't know what Elizabeth has been through true enough and Elizabeth made a very good point when she said that it kind of brought it all back home because it's like we get lulled into this false sense of oh, they're working together now. Oh everything is going to be on the up and up like nothing about that. I was up and up you will stab your sister on the show. Okay, and then worry about it later like tomorrow. I'll go visit her in the hospital. I'll bring her some, you know, some remedies to make sure she and pay no more. But yet she had to get stabbed a knife. I'm sorry. Yeah, so it doesn't surprise me but it kind of did because I'm just like what do you mean you literally just got this woman's money you spent it on Golden's web square based on her advice and you knew that you didn't have enough. So you part like this is all just logic just present it to her in a logical way. But then what am I thinking? Seeing this is all fuel with emotion, right? Because at the end of the day, they all want to be that bitch. They all want to be like a top-tier chick just called something to and I wrote it down. Oh, yeah, it's called something like she said can I be bold? Yeah, which is the head of a house Lucy wants to know if she can be a bold. How about that? I thought that was pretty crazy. And I was surprised to hear Lucy aspire to that. I mean, I know that she went into but I thought she just bought it almost like a not a present for Sister, but more like a let me help you remember something bigger. I didn't get that Vibe and I was Kitty. Here's why okay, just because like you said she's been through so much and she has the smarts now. She has the money now, so why not be in charge? Can you write I'm a little loose. Yes, that could barely part her lips for a kid. Listen you that thing is out there running niggas are running guys. So sorry ready got some lessons. She has come a long long way she has Sure, and I love seeing the progress even though it's in that business. It's still awesome to see her coming to her own and yeah, what am I saying? Like own it if this is what they do and they're proud of it. Just the very first scene right when she was in there with live. What is Isabella Isabella? Thank you and she and Isabella were trying to convince these ladies that this might be something that they want to invest in and be a part of you know, she said it quite clearly they're not open-minded. They're not going to get it but we're Presenting it to them because this is this is how we live like this is what it is and yet remember the times they were in right? So I think that what's great to see is that these women are in power they're empowering their their situations. So, you know, if you're going to be in this business, why not be the head of the business exact and make their own money doing power that not only themselves but each other exactly a great family. So this episode we also get Reduced to a new character Isaac pincher who's going to be the new villain I'm assuming and so he comes in and he kind of comes in a dodgy kind of way and approach a Charlotte don't she? Hello Kate? It could go to Charlotte and acts like he's just interested in her right hand up sleeping together and really he wants to be the pimp of the house right and take over all the women and all the men that are downstairs are all actually his men, right so they still her money and Basically set threatened her say come with us and be with us or you know, there are consequences. What did you think of that and its performance? Well, let me just say that I love the fact that I'm seeing Theon again. Okay, the fact that he's now in a new show is pretty awesome. But I really wish that he would have played a nicer character. He's already been a bad guy. So it's kind of disappointed like what you're gonna stay a bad guy, but it was good to see him and I like that his acting is always on point. I did not like obviously the fact that I didn't you know what I kept looking for them to use it. Other name I'm like parent was back then too. You know what? I mean? I thought maybe they would have something I don't know more because the pimp is a pimp though clearly clearly him. Yeah, so he did his thing. I mean he went in and took over I was surprised and loose and not a lux at Charlotte. She kind of just was like, oh you're going to take my money and do me dirty. Okay, sorry, like I knew she was going to have a plan to come back because she always does and she's her mother's child. She ain't about to let nobody walk all over ya. But I think she was doing it to diffuse the situation. That's what I never think that she she didn't. Because it wasn't just him it was her him and all her girlfriend and all her got all her girls. So she was just like, okay let this go but I'm really not going to let this go. I'm just going to let this go in this moment in this moment, but I'll stack my chips or figure out what I need to do and I'll come back harder which of course she did. Yep. Yeah, so I thought it was dope but it did kind of catch me off guard that he would come in and right off the break you spend poetry bra like how you go spit poetry and one side of your mouth and then the other be like, oh by the way, I'm here to pimp you write. It was terrible, right? So This Isaac picture guy is like the new villain and then we find out that he actually has a brother and his brother is helping her and he went back and he runs the tavern with Emily right now. They're kind of dynamic was the Lynch says like are these two together? Like you said she's always trying to get booed up. So what's happening with you? Are you the lady of the house? Right? Is he running you? Like? What is she brought money? Remember? I'm she did that trick in like the Hallway, or the alley or whatever they were outside. She came in with the money. Like here you go. Yeah, so if you're running the house and you literally have a half a say in what goes on around here, then it would seem that you wouldn't have two bad men very often but if at all but then when we saw the two brothers together and she found out that he was trying to take Charlotte on yeah scolded him. Yeah the brother Hal scolded her that way. I don't don't talk about that exactly exactly. But I wasn't surprised Bloods thicker than water. Right? So he's gonna side with his brother before he takes. I mean, she's a whore late. Yeah, and she just showed up in their lives that she can't be couldn't have been around for that long. No, but they just showed up into town though. So yeah, they just showed that weren't there the whole time you don't think they weren't there the whole time because we would have known about them. We would have known about them. And then he said we were moved to a new land to penetrate the wealth. There you go. So they're new in town right and that's why they're trying to take over so so they weren't in charge. This tavern up until now and I think that they both have two different approaches. I think he'll say yeah, I didn't know question and take over and Isaac is trying to like just have nap it up, right? Yeah. He don't have any nuances. Yeah, so we'll see what happens with that. Let's move on to Charles Quigley and losing golden square and kind of losing his mind. He looks a hot mess mess. We build a mass and I feel like he's kind of going around not begging but almost like Oh, woe is me. Woe is me. My life is so terrible. Now. What did you think of that? And I didn't expect anything more of him. He's always been just like a little piglet just me. He's like very Piggy and very like I told you his face is always in that Perpetual face stands of like, I don't know if I'm coming or going. I don't know what I'm doing. Give me money. Give me some of the chart on he's just a mess. So I thought I mean it didn't surprise me at all. It saddens me. Oh, yeah. That I want to see anybody suffer and I hate that. He's in such Dire Straits but he set himself up for this complete living Arrangement like he had his once his mother went away. He inherited the square so he could have done right by but he decided that he wanted to gamble away his life and I'm sure his heart was broken because he had to banish Emily. So a lot of that probably played into the choices that he made but now exactly he's running around like poor me and what do I do and help me? You're a grown man get up together. Yeah, it's gross. Yeah. I'm wondering what they're going to do with this character. Actor and where he's going right now because Fanny's giving you money, right? She's got a baby. So you must act in Dire Straits volume. Yeah. It really does. It really does but we'll see I do think that again when we get to predictions, there's something that might happen. Yeah. Okay, you might be able to redeem himself just a little bit. Yeah, we shall see so we talked a little bit about Elizabeth and her son Frito. Mmm. I'm excited to see where their story like takes that And I know that we're probably gonna have a bunch of new characters because we're going to have the house has to be filled. So like what are male harlots called Molly's Molly Molly. That's right, because when you mentioned it wait, no they can tamales and harlots. I love it, but I didn't think that it was possible. So if it wasn't until you pointed out that they called him only that's when it was like a lightbulb moment voice for Lucy right? She's like, oh you're morally so it It never even occurred to her that that's what he did but I love how the mama jumped in like a lion bear and was just like my son is whatever he is and he gonna live in this house and be comfortable and you help to make that happen. So you even joining us and going to be accepting of my son or not. Well as soon as she asked Mahalo punches that go for and he said double because it is a hanging offense, right and I saw the dollar signs of my mind. I'm so that's money because of the higher risk exactly. But I also think too that they They might give it the other houses. Yeah, but their money, you know for sure and they're going to be able to fly under the radar because it's a co-ed house. So if it was only more ladies than it be a problem because the win the voting's what did the police call back then they called him something whatever the coppers when the copper show up. They won't know if the guys are there for the guys or therefore the you're right. You're right. You're absolutely right. It's a it's a foolproof plan, man. So I'm excited. So I'm excited about all the different new houses. Yeah, I'm wondering okay, so we talked about the Exotics and we have the coeds and then we have the tavern do we have any other houses? Not that I'm aware of I feel like there's one we're leaving out but I can't think of any other one. Yeah, I think because when they all broke up and went their separate ways Harry it was the only one that said that created an actual house, right? Because once Emily got booted out. She just went to the tavern. Yeah, so she doesn't have a house. Yeah. So those are the only yep harlots that I remember that left and we just like I will avenge you then juice. I love it. Is there anything else that we haven't covered before we move in that particular subject matter? Yeah. I don't know I feel comfortable with it. I feel comfortable with it too speaking of comfortable. This network has a bunch of shows that I am so comfortable. Yes. Why don't you tell her? There were some viewers about it. Okay, so I just want to thank you guys personally so much for making us the ESPN of TV talk and I'm a goofball so that might have came off as insincere. But I mean that with all my heart, I'm so grateful for AfterBuzz for providing us this platform. If you're on YouTube right now, please let us know that you feel the same way and give us five. Uh, I'm sorry. Yeah, five Thumbs Up And subscribe, of course and itunes, please, please please give us another five star rating. We sincerely appreciate it. No matter where you are. They'll leave us a comment this week. The ball I didn't bring my laptop, but don't think we don't care. I totally want to have a conversation with you. So leave your comments. Let us know what your thoughts are and next week. We'll pick right back up and we'll make sure we engage with you. So being a part of AfterBuzz are so meant a great deal to me. I'm sure to Linda as well and we just want to impart that to you and really just keep watching and keep tuning in because we love it. We honestly live for you guys. Thanks. Yeah, so well said he did owe on this end. Let's just talk a little bit about the Bedlam. So that's the mad house and lineage. Tia and Catherine in those times. This is how they treated people who were considered like crazy or not part of society, especially when men and women specifically at women had it hard. Whoo. What do you think of that whole scenario? And do you think that Lydia is ever going to get oh so I could literally talk to Forever about mental health because it is affecting me personally. Suddenly like in my family and so forth. So, what did I remember when we were watching it and what up, the what I made mention to you. Thank God that we've come Leaps and Bounds from that time. I can't really wrap my brain around what it would be. Like, I can't fathom what it would appear to be to live in a world where we thought that in order to cure people. We would spend them around ridiculously on her them or just hurt them basically torture them in different means so it breaks my heart to watch that. This was what it was, but it Makes me feel extremely empowered to know that we've come so far. I mean even from just the 70s where we perform lobotomies. You literally are taking a slice out of someone brain. I'm taking a slice out of their brain out in order to somehow cure them. So I'm glad to know that we are way more into meditation and calming and loving and yeah, I mean we come a long way baby and it feels really good to know that this is where we are now and that we and that we as a society are taken a lot more seriously and being more proactive in terms of Recognizing people's issues and addressing them and not shaming them or making them feel less than so. That's super dope. And then you said what do I see? Yeah. She's gonna go home. She's definitely gonna go. No, it wouldn't be a story line if she had to stay in Bedlam the whole time never know because her home is gone and I don't know how she's going to fail but she's going to come out. Oh, that's Lydia. Yeah, but there are new like tar dog that new forces. Really tough time getting none of them and they're younger but they've never come up against a Lydia Quigley true. Now think about the last two seasons. She is Cut Throat in every sense of the word sure enough. We'll see ya we'll see cause we have a special segment color top three that we are going to dive right into now and the top three is really our top three picks. There you go. Take it away. Okay. So the top three that we've come up with in this order are Of let me just say the plat for the subject matter is English house. Yeah, like really period period pieces. I'm sorry. Let me get it right that's wrong period pieces so Game of Thrones definitely at the top of that list for me. How are you start all over? Okay, and I want you to do it all in your English at all, right? All right. So the tiger three two one lovely top three of our picks for this week or three two one will go the last one which is Downton Abbey. We love thee. It's a great show. It's really entertaining. But it's quite prim and proper. So it doesn't really like a shirt or a huge depiction of like London live all the way around. You don't know my name. Yeah, they kind of shot you a little bit there and then harlots is to calls because we love it. It's such a good show. It's really well. We're in great casting and every week we can look forward to being ridiculous. All right really over the top and then Game of Thrones is because it's kind of those for God's sake look everyone was tuned in everyone loved it. It's a really good show really well done in there are Your picks a sudden you love it. That was perfect. Thank you. So, yeah, those are our top three period pieces and they're going to live on forever. Yeah, and you know what you can watch them at any point. Isn't that the best thing about streaming? Yeah, right New Media. So awesome that way like if you want a binge till 4:00 in the morning go right ahead rice and these are all really big nipples chose. Tell a friend telephone. Don't fret hello Brenda television rights, especially about harlots because you know, it's under its underrated. I I believe more people are not hooked on this thing. Yeah, you know and let's we'll talk about that in some new sunglasses for sure and let's move on to our special segment and we are going to start off with our Harlot of the week. So guys every week we will pick a harlot that we thought stood out in the episode will each have one and we'll tell you why and Harlot of the week. So Kitty your Harley the week take it away. My whole day of the week is Harriet. I like him very much and I'm super proud of her that she was able to take the situation that she was put into because think about it. Now remember when we met Harriet she was somebody's wife or so we thought it so she thought she knew better. So when he passed away and she was no longer a widow were or considered of that standing she had to figure it out because there's a black hole where our kids right? I was just thinking the same thing. Where are her kids right now. She had two children by this man. She felt like she should have I mean she was indebted to him. Oh, yeah, they took them away. Remember? No, she got the kids back remember every day. So then where are they? I don't know. Hopefully we'll find out next episode. But I do I just want to Champion this young lady. I think that because she was put in a situation where she could have easily fled and just been like a papa. Yeah and like bad her cage the best way she knew how she figured it out and she became a harlot and one of the top Pilots at that like everybody was checking for her. Not just because she's black but apparently Mustang got scale. So I love that. Okay, and then she left after she did get her kids back. She's like I don't have to deal with this mess. I don't have to be a part of this. Thank you for your lessons. I'm out and created her own house. Yeah, so now she has her own house. She's making her own money. She's calling the shots. She's got custody of her kids and everybody in her house is have some melon in it. So I couldn't be happier isn't very exotic. Yeah, that's what they call it gets fatigued Exotics back in the day good cut good cut. So my tickets Lucy and Lucy is my pick because has she has come so far she started off like the virginal didn't know anything scared little girl and three seasons later. She is now a bold she owns a house. She saved money she's gone through so much like she you know was taking advantage of she was almost killed. She had a crazy psychotic last season that was after her and she survived all of that they Thrive and thriving so for me. I think that she's a Survivor. Yeah, and it just reminds me that you can come a long way and you may not know why you're having all these lessons but you put all these lessons together and you can come out the other side stronger and smarter and wiser indeed. So she is definitely my hardwood of the week. That's awesome because she's on in the game now. Yeah, we're at first she was a player now. She's a known ya gotta love it. Love it. Let's give him to some news and gossip. Okay. Is the news and gossip that I have? Yeah, Alfie Allen is his real name. He as I said was on Game of Thrones originally, he played Theon and he's playing Isaac pincher. Thank our lies Accenture is the sorry. I know you guys are like Isaac printer is the name of the character that he plays and I was just as I've mentioned earlier a little disappointed that he's the bad guy yet again. I was hoping that he was going to come with I just want to see him in a different role. You know what I mean? I think that his talents are definitely a parent but I would love to be able to see him switch it up. But what a fun surprise. I was like wait you called you're like is that the Game of Thrones? Yeah. I was like games just ended right? Here's a character that I love right? He's playing a villain again, but you know what, he plays a fierce fierce Feed Us Hey Dad. I look forward to seeing what they do with him. Yeah in this new show that he's on I didn't like that. He came in there and tried to obviously rough Charlotte out of her, you know, good hard-earned money. He did that but he also Told her house. He play set it on fire. Right so he's a bit what is going on with these guys? They're so immature. They're so emotional. They're supposed to be the cool like under pressure. I can handle anything. I'm a man. How dare you type you got your feelings hurt and thrown in jail for half a day. So you burned her house down you are so petty. Yeah, you got extra padding. We also have to remember the times right and how women were treated. Yeah, but I think it goes farther than that. I feel like if it was a guy that Wrong to him. I could see him pulling this not like that. That's all I'm saying. I think that's who he is. Like I think that's part of his character that he's a know. I'm going to beat you. Oh, you're going to beat me instead. Well, I'm just gonna come back and shoot you in the back of your head. Like he just seems like I don't know yet. Obviously, it's the birds show but that's the impression that I get that he's just like a bad sport in a little punk. Once again, there you go. There you go. Once again and then what other news and gossip do we have that is the news and gossip that I know about? I'd mail we do have that paper and if per year if you're my headset, yes, what is the website that we were talking about earlier? Oh Pace.com. Yeah, paste all calm and where they want to that's right. I'm so sorry. That's right. Big UPS debris. She gave me this Insight. So paste.com is basically saying this show is completely underrated that more people need to watch it that it is really all the things that we love about it, right the casting the writing the location the fact that it's a period piece and it brings New insight into an old the oldest profession just that people aren't checking for it and they really don't you know, I don't think that they know and I don't think that they're advertising it properly and I know that we're already three seasons in but I think of like handmaid's tale and how much they advertise for and Hulu this show guys is right up there. It really is. Well, it's it's hammertoe. Come on out. No, there's some psychological stuff going down. I'm going to have to stick to what I'm saying. This show is an Using show harlots, it's written. Well, it is seeped in fact and history and you got a little bit of like crime. You got a little bit of villain you had a little bit of love a lot of cells that a lot of sucks obviously. So I think that this show is definitely underrated and I think that when people start to find it they're going to be like why have I not been always watching exactly it's gonna be like season 4 and then they're going to try to like out binge each Because they're going to be completely surprised that they weren't hip. Yeah since day one. Yeah, I agree. It's a little late show and it deserves more accolades. There you go. We set it moving on to a little bit of Harlot history guys. This is the area and segment where we give you a little bit of Harlot history where it came from some of the nuances and all of that. So I have a photo here of it's like a cartoon kind of photo almost maybe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and it's from a famous book and it says underneath in the captions you are now in high keeping. And your company are is Adonis to the masquerade in the character of a Bashar day and basically what it's saying is that back in those days masquerades were wildly popular in like the 18th Century Century in London and hidden behind mass in Disguise and classrooms people from various social classes feel. Freely intermingle with each other and prostitutes attended these masquerades all the time. Okay, and this is how they attracted new customers. And so what I think is interesting because we did see this in season 2 and in season 1 they had masquerade parties, you know, it's quite a nice and that's the thing. That's the thing and that's how they get new people in and I actually really did happen in real life. In London, so I thought that was kind of like a fun fact in the history That masquerade parties all the way back to 18th century. And and even when you think of like Halloween and how you dress up, right it it has it seeped in some type of History. So when you next go to a masquerade party know that you were supporting some harlots back in the day. Okay, so they showed up as an attempt to like we know that you want to come in and join us, but you've been Hesitant in the past in doing so so now if you wear a mask no one has to know and you can still get the goodies. That's right. It's still get our money, right because of all the different classes didn't always by rock with each other course, but if you're all uniform, you don't know who's who and what's what then you can say. Well, I didn't know yeah hierarchy is always going to play a part. So it's always always hacking order. Wow. Let's move on to some prediction. Yes prediction. What do you got for predictions? Well, I see I don't know how he's going to do it but Charles is definitely going to make a comeback. It might have something to do with his mother may be forgiving him when she gets out because she's getting out that would definitely be my prediction that she's coming home. I don't know to what home but I know that Lydia Quigley is not about to take this lying down. So once she does when she's able to be free. The first thing she's going to do is go seek Vengeance on Isabella right. I see that happening and I see her going to get her boy. She's going to snatch Charles up and be like we have got to fight these people and get them the hell out of our house and you know rise to the occasion again, we are the tippy-top of the top like how dare we go down without a fight Gothic Gothic. Okay. So I think that Elizabeth and Lucy you're gonna have the house. I think they're going to be thriving I think it Elizabeth I said earlier is going to underestimate Lucy but Lucy's going to be like the Top Dog in that house and she's gonna get hit with like the Molly Molly's and she's the really just going to thrive. Now as I say that I agree with you that Lydia is going to get out but here's what I think is going to happen. When we saw Isabella visit her and Isabella said, you know get her out of the shackles clean her up and all of that. I think that we're going to see Lydia come back to her own. Self the way she looks and the way she acts. Mmm and then her son is going to Charles going to see her in her normal State and he's not going to be so fearful for visiting her. I think he's going to break her out and I think the two of them are actually going to show up at Isabella's and they're going to show up at her her place with some type of way to manipulate her or have some like dirt or Sign her. Yeah that the that's going to force her to help them get back bright golden friend because she has juice on at me dirt on. Yes. Now they're going to get to Golden square and find out that it's thriving so it's going to be a battle between the old and the new right there. That is my that is my prediction. That is accurate AF. There you go guys. We love you guys so much. Thank you so much for joining us indeed. Please do leave some comments below. Oh, and if you want to interact with me, you can follow me or reach out to me all across social media at Linda so girly yes, and my name is Katie Kaboom as I've mentioned and you can find me on IG @ Ki T TI e Ka B om Facebook is Kitty Kali and Twitter as kitty meow love it guys till next week. We'll see you then. Bye for now our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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Linda Antwi and Kittie Kaboom break down the season 3 premiere of Harlots! HARLOTS AFTER SHOW: Sex, love and war. Or in Margaret Wells case, sex and war. When her brothel business gets attacked by a rival, she risks everything to protect her business. On our HARLOTS AFTER SHOW we cover all the ins and outs from Margaret’s family and company to the war breaking out over London. If you have a special guest in mind you’d like to see on the after show, let us know and we will do our best to make it happen! ABOUT THE SERIES: In this drama set in 18th century London, Samantha Morton stars as Margaret Wells, a brothel owner and mother to two daughters, Charlotte and Lucy. When Margaret's business is attacked by Lydia Quigley (Lesley Manville), a ruthless rival madam, a war breaks out over the city's most profitable commercial activity -- sex. Margaret is determined to fight back and protect her business, even if it puts everything else at risk, including her family. Creators Moira Buffini and Alison Newman also serve as executive producers.

From the guy who's read more about Bitcoin than anybody else, you know, this is a guys take episode. But inflation is good for the economy were told inflation produces economic growth. That ladies and gentlemen is a load of shit. So we are diving and I hope you guys are doing good today because I had a really really late night last night. If you listen to deflation of Liberty part 2 I was up until about midnight recording and then still had a couple things to take care of. I was up much later than I should have been very very busy week, but it's felt good. I got a lot done. Happy busy week. Not a bad busy week. So I'm feeling pretty good. We're at the end of the week here. I am about to have a very fun weekend getaway with the wife. And yeah, so we're going to talk about talk a little bit specifically we'll do a lot of referencing to her ghetto Horseman's piece that we just covered on the show. So deflation and Liberty, I'll probably be dropping some references to Simon Lutz piece on the and errors of time and demand because those are critically important to this entire discussion. Like when we talk about inflation what really the definition we're talking about is the inflation of the money supply that's like that the core like technical definition, but we're also talking about the increase in the price level, which is typically the consequence the price level inflation is a consequence of the money supply inflation. So it gets a little bit confusing. Using sometimes you're trying to break down to the actual specifics, but I'll try to make sure I'm clarifying which one I'm talking about because we have the exact same thing and deflation an actual lowering of the money supply versus a lowering of the price level. And now when we're talking about like credit deflation, like when we have a credit crisis deflation is legitimately the lowering of the money supply where money starts disappearing from the economy because people are defaulting on their debts but in the context of Bitcoin even though it has a lot of the same effects on it kind of in an inflationary currency environment. Like if you have a deflationary quote-unquote one where the price level of the monetary good is continuing to increase in value and therefore all the prices of all the goods are decreasing. Well, then you actually create a lot of the effects and a lot of the same pressures that credit deflation causes or deflation in the money supply, but just not to the extreme and in a very different way because the credit deflation is actually correcting an imbalance. Whereas the the price level deflation is actually happening because of growth and we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that in a bit. And I haven't even Iron Man introduce the show. Welcome. Welcome. This is the crypto economy with guys Swan. That's me. The guy who has read more about Bitcoin than anybody else, you know, and probably anybody else on the planet and Today's show is going to be all about inflation and deflation basically crushing the myths of inflation and and also it will be a pseudo follow-up because this is kind of The what we've been reading obviously in the last two days a follow-up for deflation and Liberty by her guiteau Horsemen, but if you have not listened to that, I will be referencing it, but I'll mostly be re-explaining a lot of the ideas. So it's not super necessary that you listen to it, but I highly highly recommend it because it's a really really good piece and it will certainly make this give you a much better Foundation. And for this conversation, so the first thing will actually hit holtzman's kind of foundation for starting his entire piece and something that he kind of referred back to a number of times. Is that a change in the supply of money does not have any real consequences just adjust as the nature of the change like a the example he gave is if all prices were cut by 50% tomorrow. There would be no changes in production process. There would be no changes in like we didn't we don't have any less machines like any fewer machines. We don't have any less production capacity. We don't have any fewer resources nothing like and we don't even we've not even lost the ability to profit because Prophet is not the ability to you know, make back a certain nominal amount of money like a certain like specific number. It's the fact that what you is is the difference between what you sell and what your costs are. So like if you're yeah, you might have to sell a product for half the price but you're also buying all your factors of production at half the price so it's no different there has been no fundamental economic or physical change. Everything is exactly the same we can wake up and you could just knock a zero off of everything and Much everything would still work. Right? We just work under a completely different set of prices. So that's really important to start from is that decreasing or increasing the money supply is just only has redistribution effects. It does not change the nature of the economy and the resources and machines and factors of production that are available it shifts resources from Group a to Group B. And the question is who is group a and Group B in each of these situations if we're talking about inflation or deflation or taxes or whatever it is. Basically everything that the government does is just re Distributing resources from the people who actually made it to the people. They think deserve it and then paying themselves enormous amounts of money for deciding who is important enough to deserve all the money. And it's all managed through politics, which we all know is a very morally sound and high standard form of communication. So regardless the key takeaway is just that the manipulation or changes in the supply of money is only has redistribute of effects. All right, let's start by talking about how great inflation is. So inflation is we talk about inflation. There's kind of a couple of different things that we mean one obviously is price level inflation inflation is what you see in housing prices in education prices health care prices stock prices, like all of these everything that's like an asset or has a lot of money being pushed into the industry all of these things have Edible amounts of inflation and a temp typically affects assets far faster than expected effects, like consumer products and like things like that, but it does obviously happen kind of across the board. But what we actually the reason we actually have inflation is the increase in the money supply. So that's inflation in the price level and it happens because of an increase in the supply of money available and and that mostly happens in our economy because of the fractional Reserve System because of the creation of new debts what happens is people banks are essentially this is a gross oversimplification of it. But what actually is occurring when you look at the Grand picture of things is that when you have a hundred dollars in the bank the entire banking system ends up loaning almost $900. Or a thousand dollars backed by your $100 and that's just kind of like a general overview that doesn't account for the fact that they leverage to far far more insane degrees with other sorts of types of loans and credit issuance and stuff. And in that situation when we're just talking about the fractional Reserve we're ignoring the fact is the federal the Federal Reserve can just issue loans out of thin air. There's no Reserve. There's no no, Nothing, they literally just they can just issue credit to Banks and large financial institutions all day and they do this with the bailouts this week QE quantitative easing. That's what all this stuff is is just dumping new money. And again no change in the production process or how many Goods we have how much time we have available to us. How many machines we have working? None of that changes. This is just a huge flood. Of new cheap money to certain very specific institutions and people in the economy. So we are told that the main the one benefit of your all the time is the economic growth can't happen. It promotes economic growth to increase the money supply and that it encourages investment because otherwise people would hold on to their savings they would they wouldn't they wouldn't spend money and of course. It encourages spending which is the which is the supposed argument of it increases in economic growth. And really that's kind of the bulk of it that everything else is just like a consequence of that because you think about it. Like we're just increasing the price of money. So you just have to go down this list of like, oh all these great things happen when stuff gets more expensive. They argue that asset prices going up stock prices and stuff going up is good. And it's only good for the wealthy. It's not good for the poor. It's good for the people who own the assets, but we're going to talk about why all this stuff is wrong first. We know No, no, it doesn't it does not increase economic growth. Whatever. It is a change in the money supply. It moves value from one set of people to another set of people and there's a very important question as to who is losing value and who is gaining value in inflation. And this is something that I don't think herg guiteau Holtzman in the previous thing deflation in Liberty. He doesn't quite hit. This aspect as much as I would think he would and that's the the key thing that always that always feel like the redistribution is really happening between even though there are a lot of other players and stuff is just between Savers and debtors people who have debt and people who have savings that's what's being shifted when in an inflationary economy where the money supply is being inflated it is being taken away. From the value is being confiscated from the people who have savings and it is being transferred to the people who are taking on debts. So we know people are can be conditioned. Right like people are creatures of habit and creatures of social order. And you know, if you do the ring the bell experiment with the dog and make them salivate you can do that. Very same thing with humans like we And to incentives incentives matter massively so stop and think about what it means for inflation to be costing Savers at the expect at the direct benefit our guess you can say indirect. I don't know that the benefit of debtors what's happening is the value. Of the people who have already produced resources the ones who are responsible for all of the resources that we currently now live off of is being taken. It is stolen from the Savers to benefit the people who are going into debt the debtors being those who are then consuming and using up all of these resources and choosing not to produce them back and return. Maybe they do. But they haven't done it yet. They're taking the resources out of the economy making the economy poor and we're promising them where it's interesting actually weighing. We're hooking a giant counterparty risk on the entire economy that we have just now exhausted all of our resources or the however much is given to debtors. We've given them all these Resources with the counterparty risk and trusting that they will pay it back. We are disincentivizing the people who have actually made resources available. We are punishing those people and rewarding the people who merely consumed and in deflation, you're seeing the opposite the value is shifted from the debtors to the Savers is almost kind of like a and again we're talking really about price deflation here in the money supply issue deflation is actually just a consequence the price level. Inflation is a consequence of people defaulting. So like her agitos been talked about is that you have these quote-unquote deflationary spirals that happen when debt gets out of control because the you know, this this loan gets depart gets defaulted on and then the institution that's hold at all these defaulting loans gets defaulted on and then whoever gave them the loan etcetera etcetera. It just goes up the tree and you have this huge, you know, you know one Catalyst event or something and then this huge huge domino effect of just default default default default. And then money is Vanishing from the economy not actual money not like like cash money or gold or anything like that. But all the money substitutes the the dollars in everyone's bank accounts that they think is there and all the value of their stocks and their asset prices which they think is real money, but is not real money. It's all propped up on that counterparty risk that were talking about if those debtors cannot pay if those people would debts can't pay their Resources back cannot produce the same level of record the resources. Well done. All that values actually frivolous on that value is entirely dependent on a bunch of promises. But this is what makes Bitcoin a little bit different because Bitcoins money supply doesn't shrink. It's just such a scarce asset that it's price goes up. So you're expecting consistent or or you have expected price. Level deflation on to occur. And what's interesting there particularly when we've already met like after we go through the s-curve of Bitcoin adoption and we've reached Market saturation. You have to remember exactly why price levels would go down because people would say it's like oh deflation in that context with sound money would stop economic growth and you know people would hold on to just their money, etc, etc. but at that point It doesn't make any sense because we're not talking about the money. Supply hasn't trunk. The money supply is stable, which means the only way for nominal prices to fall is if the economy grew so not only is it not anti economic growth. It's a measure of the consequences of economic growth that is already happened. It happens. It's like specifically because the Has now more resources and higher productivity. So the value of other Goods in relation, like if you know somebody is producing a hundred shirts an hour and well then, you know shirts have a certain degree of scarcity and difficulty to obtain in certain degree of costs. But if someone can use those exact same resources and start producing 10,000 shirts in our wells a whole lot easier to own a shirt shirts become far greater in Supply and less every each individual shirt becomes less valuable because it's not it's no longer difficult to just make a shirt. So when you're talking about deflation in the price level after we have Market saturation of sound money, it is explicitly because of economic growth. So not only does it not deter economic growth. It is the measure of a current economic growth. It's like a real GDP as opposed to the joke. That is GDP trying to actually measure economic growth you would Be able to measure it in if you had a stable monetary Market, you would just measure it in the price declines of typical Goods like that would be reverse CPI and we'd be measuring how much the economy grew and how much more efficient it became and how much we are how much more we are able to produce at aggregate. So again inflation is simply adjusting value and resources. To those who are going into debt, which makes perfect sense as to why all the banking institutions and the government hail it as a savior of the economy because of course, they think themselves as the most important things in the economy the government thinks as long as I can have the as long as we have the Department of Education there is education they equate themselves and their own greed and their own profit and their own political power as that of the nation. It's a Weird religious thing and so in doing so it makes perfect sense that they would hate the constraints on only being able to borrow a certain amount of money. Anybody would I'm particularly if they believe themselves to be, you know saviors of the world. Obviously, I have to have unlimited resources at my disposal and everybody hates constraints, you know, like nobody likes to run out of resources, obviously our goals and our dreams are always way. A bigger than what resources we have available to us. It's the natural state of things. And so it makes perfect sense that they would absolutely promote it as hard as they can because they profit off of it directly and massively like it makes them the most powerful institution in the world. How would you do what could you what other possible incentive could be as powerful as that is? Holy crap, if I just tell people this and they believe me, I'm the most powerful institution on the planet end of story. We're at least in the country and the US government gets the benefit of having the world Reserve currency and that power gets to extend outside. But so we have all these like really silly justifications for inflation one that I actually heard that I thought was really laughable was that because of wages have to move like, you know, so wages are sticking right Horseman actually talks about about that in the piece And I love that his he's a little snippet on that now hit it just a second. But literally that because wages are declining in value. They have to constantly move and I've literally read in multiple places that the argument was that because wage wages have to move regularly that there is high wage Mobility that therefore productive workers have a greater greater number of opportunities. Tuna T's to get paid more. So everyone having to chase the same value every year everyone having having their wage the value of their wage chipped away is good because productive workers might have a couple more opportunities to request a higher wage because they have to request a higher wage because otherwise they get a pay decrease. That is the most laughable backwards excuse for stealing money from people I've ever heard but I love her work her ghetto holtzman's a little quote on this which I just I was just like so perfect wages are sticky only to the extent that workers choose not to work. So the crucial question is how long can they afford? Not to work. Beautiful just beautiful. The only reason wages are sticky in a high debt High inflationary environment wages are not sticky in a high savings low debt environment because in a high debt, I mean in a low debt High savings environment people can afford to say fuck you for not paying me enough like you can just walk away and take a couple of weeks and find a new job. Because you have savings to fall back on as soon as you know, the average worker runs out of savings. Well, then he's just gonna be he's just going to look for any possible job that he can get hold of and he's going to do it at whatever rate where the wage rate that he can manage. And again people respond to what they are rewarded for doing and or punished for doing so a inflationary economy that punishes savings and takes away. The interest rate for savings takes away the value of your savings over time. I mean think about this a double there's those are the only two rewards for savings is to have the same value or more of it after two years of savings or to get paid an interest rate for savings for not consuming resources, when you could consume resources, what you're doing is you're leaving resources available for everybody else in the economy who may need it more desperately than you you can afford to put a little while put a look put a little away. If you don't get either of those two things why the hell would you be saving and when at the same time your debts are declining in value and somebody's offering you 0% for six months when all the price doing the prices of all the debt is being highly manipulative artificially pushed low. Why wouldn't you finance your project with alone or consumed on debt as opposed to savings that are just going to be gone if you hold it. Like why would you hold it for any length of time? I wouldn't you just use up all of your resources really as quickly as you can. So what you end up in a situation where and these incentives are compounding, you know, like this. This isn't just a something where like, oh it might have a couple more people who take on debts or it Into deflation might lead to a couple more people savings. Now. This is the this is incentives across the entire environment. It changed changes what people think as they grow up people don't people only think what their social group things like if you raise a kid in some I don't know a tribe in some third-world Nation whatever. It has some very specific Customs. They will grow up thinking those Customs are very important in that whatever values that that social group values are the most important things to care about and what they believe is what they believe and if you grow a that same kid up in, you know Rural America or in a city in America or in a very old traditionalist city in You know Europe or something. Like they will be different people and have different values based on where they grew up. It's we are a product of our environment and it has massive cultural and social implications across the board. Like if you ask I mean go just think about like your grandparents World versus your world like you could never you would never ever have been able to buy a house with zero down in the 50s. And you know what else it also didn't cost you your entire life's work to buy a house. Like it's a completely different set of incentives people save my grandparents save to a degree that looks ridiculous. He saves cups. He seems cups from like fast food places until they don't hold water anymore. It doesn't make any sense, but it was a big part of the culture. It was how a lot of people Grew up, and it was because of the economic incentives. It produces different people. It produces different habits. It produces different ways of thinking and everything like Ron Paul says money is one half of every transaction that you ever do in your entire life. And when you start manipulating that you push You you mold people in just the way that's perfect to create exactly what you want you chip away at them every day every transaction. It's something that's just constantly there and they start to realize the trade-offs. They start to realize what rewarded them and what didn't when I have dollar savings in my bank account. I had a couple of thousand a couple thousand dollars in my savings account. And I remember yeah, I just I laughed out loud because I actually had it in there long enough to get a return to get an interest payment and it was like 27 Cent or something. I can't I can't remember exactly what it was. But genuinely the piece of paper they were sending to me was worth more than what they were telling me I made in interest and I thought I was going to die. I just laughed. Hard because all I could think all of this went through my head. I was just like these are the incentives in our economy. This is what people think is going to people think we have problems with debt people think we have problems with like a bad culture and completely calm people completely losing touch with reality and the actual cost of things and then the only person that I know that has any savings and this is the reward this is the payout and people think that this is going to be fixed so It's just such a it was such a like like that key moment of just like everything falls in line and you're like we are begging for all of these problems. She has to begging for them. We could not work harder to produce them. So it's just crazy but what it ends up meaning like when we talk about these huge cultural shifts and inflation when we're when inflation starts pushing people into debt when it starts making zero percent financing like the Room and every single person that buys a house is doing it with tiny percentage Downs just to keep just a prop up the price of housing absolutely insane, but when debt becomes a part of everything when the average person just doesn't have savings you create you create a trap. You create a society where people cannot leave their jobs. Oh my God, this this will all Stood with the whole sticky wages thing that that you can't those people are stuck there without savings. They will never be able to leave their job. They get stuck in meaningless jobs that they hate for exorbitant amounts of time because they can never make any Headway with savings. And anytime they do start savings saving their value is chipped away and everything they buy their paying a hundred and fifty percent of the price to pay it off. And getting artificially low prices for using up other people's resources. So it traps it creates this massive buffer against Mobility its it halts social mobility and at the direct benefit of the money manipulators, the people who are being able are able to make all of these loans and print all of this money out of thin air. These people are getting enormously wealthy and at the same time everybody who is getting trapped into debt the the middle and lower classes. Are just getting stuck while a society that incentivizes deflation that well, excuse me, a society of sound money or a period of deflation will incentivize and reward savings massively it will it will pay high interest rates to Savers particularly if we're talking about sound money where the to take out a loan you actually have to have savings. Well, then the interest rate that you know that 23 percent interest rate on your credit card. A large portion of that should be going to anyone who has a savings account because that is supposed to be the resources that they're swiping with the credit card. You're supposed to lock your money up and you have a one-to-one. You can't loan something out that you don't have the same reason. I can't loan a car that doesn't exist. So because this in that sort of environment a deflationary both price and a money supply situation rewards savings. Well that proves that provides Average for employees they could easily walk away from a drop job that's mistreating them or is dissatisfying to them. Whereas an inflationary environment traps them in it and gives them no leverage and basically puts them entirely in the dependency. They're genuinely just kind of subservient to whoever is willing to pay them at the time and they have to do everything because they're going to have Have a debt, they're gonna have a bill every month. If they don't have money coming in. They're screwed. They're going to dig themselves into a hole. I mean, imagine two months of not paying any of your debts. Holy crap. You would get Not only would you accrue the interest but you get late charges because you didn't pay and those are usually like, I mean the the amount of money that you would owe in a very short amount of time would be hilariously like like I have to laugh just to not cry. And I've been there I have been there before so I know exactly what it's like to laugh because I didn't want to cry I have missed bills on credit cards when I did not have any money to my name and no income coming in and it is an awful awful thing to have to deal with and it takes years years and years to correct for a bad month or two. Holy crap, it is hot and this blankie for today. I don't know if I'm getting riled up or if it's because I'm drinking a little bit, but I have got to take a break. I'm sweating in here with my screen. All right, let me guess that's gross. Okay, let me are this thing out a little bit and get a drink and we'll hit our sponsor real quick for anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get The ground their entire platform is free. This includes unlimited hosting both in audio that you upload and how much your listeners download. I have uploaded an incredible library of audio now and I've never paid anchor a dime. In fact, they connect me with other sponsors and have run an ad consistently on my show. So they've paid me for exposure to my audience that's really hard to beat even if we ignore that I can record. Directly in the app or my browser. I don't need any other software. 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Where now it's own the employer to come to them to try to figure out to negotiate a decrease in the wage. And if the employee does nothing they continue to get paid more and more they increase in value. So you've got a completely different set of scenarios there. Then they're in a position of weakness in the inflationary environment again, they're less likely to have savings much more likely to have lots of debt in which they cannot afford to fight for a wage and then not get it. So now they have now the the cost and the barrier to increase their wage and fight for what would actually be their value looks much more painful because The all the costs are higher if it screws up. In deflation, you have the exact opposite. They are more likely to have savings and very little debt because there is no incentive that people are paying them to say they're getting paid in interest rate. So obviously you would do that and interest rates are very high because credit isn't free and cheap and just thrown around like it doesn't fund everything. So now they have the power to if their employer does something they aren't happy with or if they find They're not dis they're not satisfied with their occupation. They have far more openness to just fall back on their savings and make a different decision in their life. And think about this at a societal level like this is just kind of like a basic individual idea. We're talking about across a whole society you're talking about the really the same to like those two different scenarios applying to everyone to some degree a a society that is deeply in debt where one person's value like the value of one person's asset is actually dependent on someone else paying back their debt. You have counterparty risk spread throughout the entire economy and you create an entire society that is frail and volatile one. That is something as simple as a hurricane can cause an economic catastrophe that would take years to recover from instead of just merely weeks or months. If you have no Savings in the economy to fall back on well, then you have no You have no capacitor to sort out the volatility of the real world the volatility of the whether the volatility of available resources the volatility of Seasons, you know, you can only grow stuff in the spring and summer not the winter like the the environment and the world is very volatile. The economy is there to create a buffer a capacitor to level out all of that incredible volatility any society that is incentivized to go into debt that is incentivized not to save that is punished or savings and where stored value is confiscated from the people who were actually producing and given to the people who were needlessly and frivolously consuming and trying to just take power and purchasing power and resources for their own ends, whether they're productive or not. That's a that's a week society. That is one that is always standing on the edge of disaster. But a society that incentivizes savings one where price levels fall where you have sound money is one that strong because it has savings it it can weather a storm with hardly any significant downturn it can quickly recover from these things. It's the equivalent of having a backup Jetty at the in Katrina in New Orleans like not only did we not have a sufficient one but in that's that's that's kind of what it's like it's savings is having multiple just in case one fails and being in debt and always living on the edge is like having a very weak one. That's not kept up very well. Well, you could clearly see what the consequences of the two different Alternatives would be so You create wholly different the economic product of just the simple difference between a sound money and a constantly inflated away money. And this is again, this is before we even get to all the ethical nightmares of some political power basically having free command to put resources to confiscate. Everybody's resources, whatever Mission or goal they They see fit or to implement their vision of the world on to all the people are actually producing all the resources and making the like making all the stuff. But even before we get to their a one where the money supply is constantly being increased has awful incentives just awful incentives and we even know when we talk about you hear that silly excuse that it encourages spending while thanks to Simon Lutz's piece on the Keynesian errors. In time and demand, we know that all that does is encourage people to spend today rather than spend in a year from now, it just encourages people to waste all their savings or all their resources and not save and it all the money goes into like low-order consumer goods rather than higher order production Goods where it would have gone so you have and that's the kind of thing that gets you like cheap plastic crap. App that gets people spending frivolously for no reason because there's no incentive to do anything else with your money and all the resources that could have gone to Growing the economy and making us more productive and more efficient by by spending those resources on the better production processes on creating a new and better products to make available is instead. It's dumped into rushing out the current product to Market. It's used for frivolous and short-lived consumer goods and for cheap like Fast production low lifespan products. So you lose your remember. We all have scarce resources. We can only use it for one thing or the other you're pulling resources from the bettering of the production process and the investments in higher order goods and in better efficient systems, you're pulling the resources away from those missions from those those goals and you're pushing it into consumer goods and creating consumerism incentivizing more debt and creating. Bloating the market for current consumer goods that is completely unnecessary encouraging people to spend stuff so that they just don't have it later. So the idea that it's boosting. The economy is Just an Illusion. It's just a temporary spending boost where we won't realize that our production processes are stagnating and the actual economic growth is being halted and slow down. Because you know won't be for two years before we realize like why is this production process? Not any better? Why have we not you know mating any improvements to this? It's incredibly difficult to see that cost because it's slow its overtime and the benefits are very easy to point to look we sold twice as many cheap crap things that we thought we were going to sell very easy and wholesome and talks about that too about how the The benefits of inflation are easy to see where as the benefits of deflation are hard to see and the cost and incredible disadvantages the the consequences the negative consequences of inflation are really hard to see and the benefits of deflation are also hard to see so you have this like kind of this kind of perfect scenario to make it incredibly easy. E for people to believe something this entirely not true because it's just it's just easier to point to something that you can see rather than explain to somebody something that is incredibly hard to correlate. It's it's time separated by time and separated by the actual people who were involved like where those costs are. Oh that reminds me. There's actually a really good book kind of about that very idea on because it's kind of like stage one, you know, like being able to think about things very at the high high level surface and Thomas Soul has a book you should read all of his books, but this just reminds me of Something economics applied applied economics Thinking Beyond stage one and it's all about how like, okay. Well, this might be the direct and immediate consequence of inflation's like okay more spending right here, but where does that spending come from? What is that spending at the expense of and it kind of kind of the same thing of like kind of the broken window fallacy the idea that you could literally break somebody's window and then you've created economic production because they've saved They had to spend savings. Well, no, it means that somebody has to work a lot to get back to their their old standard of living like you've just destroyed something in the life like you could just as easily say it's like, oh we just bomb downtown like if that principles is true. We could just bomb downtown and then we'd be infinitely Rich if that was actually what it meant to be wealthy was to just be busy doing something. It's absurd when you think be on stage one, but that's a really Good book if you if anybody has not does not know if that book. It's applied economics Thinking Beyond stage one by Thomas Soul. So let's go ahead and get into. Let's wrap this up a little bit and talk about how this is going to what do I mean when I say Bitcoin is going to end the state or bring down the state and I mean it kind of in the sense of what the set of Elites are in today's society. Who is it? That's actually running the economy who is directing the majority of the resources toward what ends and you know, I think I want to start this off just by reading the conclusion again from her agita Holtzman from deflation in Liberty because I really loved that last section and it's only a page. in conclusion, let us restate the main point deflation is far from being inherently bad quite to the contrary it fulfills the very important social function of cleansing the economy and the body politic from all sorts of parasites that have thrived on the previous inflation in a word the dangers of deflation are chimerical, but it's Charms are very real. There's absolutely no reason to be concerned about the economic effects of deflation. Unless one equates the welfare of the nation with the welfare of its false Elites. There are by contrast many reasons to be concerned about both the economic and political consequences of the only alternative to deflation namely re inflation, which is of course nothing but inflation pure and simple The purpose of these pages is not to appeal to the reason of our monetary authorities. There is absolutely no hope that the Federal Reserve or any other Fiat money producer of the world will change their policies anytime soon. But it is time that the friends of Liberty change their minds on the crucial issue of deflation false thinking on this point has given our governments unduly way of which they have made ample and bad use We need to take control over the money supply out of the hands of our governments and make the production of money again subject to the principle of free association the first step to endorsing and promoting. This strategy is to realize that governments do not indeed cannot fulfill any positive role whatever through the control of our money. so when I say the state in this instance, I don't mean it specifically as like the state just the general institution, which it may I'm not discounting the fact that that is a possibility simply because Bitcoin changes the nature of the payoff and risks Associated the it's the payoff the visibility and the risks associated with using violence to confiscate resources and inability to do it through inflation and having to do it through direct taxation is going to change the nature of government in a massive massive way what we have known of as the state and the degree of government power over society and moving funds and resources to their ends rather than ours in the last hundred hundred twenty thirty years or so is going to change drastically really like that idea of that level of State institution. I do not think is possible in a world where something like Bitcoin is the dominant monetary instrument. So I'm not meaning that the state will just vanish as an institution any more than I think science would make the church vanish make but it takes away the power it makes it more of a figurehead in some degree of a voluntary. It takes away its teeth and I think Bitcoin. I think just in the nature of deflation and how it works as it becomes a dominant form of as it becomes the dominant monetary good like it stops. It will stop inflation from being possible. It will start it will prevent them from being able to use their political position and their a printing press essentially to hide the They're confiscating resources and that will make it much like right now like when people are like, oh my God housing is so much more expensive rent so much higher health care so much higher. Will they get pissed at each other when it you have to but that's that's the that's because of the compass the trillions of dollars confiscated from the economy those resources and the immense amount of inflation that's happening behind the scenes that they don't see but when you have to send a you literally have to to pull the money from people's accounts or directly tax to get that actual purchasing power available that you no longer have a monetary Authority. I mean in a world with Bitcoin, there's no such thing as a monetary Authority that has anything that is of any consequence the idea of banks being the largest buildings in the city, like the tallest buildings at banking license has comes with no privilege to Reduce your own money anymore. You cannot issue debts. Like you may you may be able to run a saw a short turn a short-term fractional Reserve but you're just going to end up like mt.gox. That's what that's what Mount gox did this fractional Reserve. They didn't have enough money to cover. Everybody's withdrawals. Like that's not you can't do that. Systemically, you can't do that society-wide and it is a fraud. It's a it's a ripoff no matter how you do it. So it's the only degree the only reason like we have this political institution in this system that we have now is because they get to hide the fact that they're being completely fraudulent. It becomes very difficult to see and they justify it because they decide what we learn in school. It's really kind of insane. And it would be it will be the end of central banks central banks will not be even if they are still there and they have their own currencies. It will be because they hold Bitcoin and gold to actually back their currencies, but it will call all of their debts do they will no longer be able to just loan themselves in anybody else as much money as they want. They will be a massive barrier to doing that any decision that they have will have immediate consequences and those immediate consequences will be in the loss of their purchasing power to do anything and then the loss of trusted that they're holding any real value to have a safe currency. Like like Bitcoin will be that resistance. It will be there in every boardroom in every committee and Xin like every political any every Central Bank board. They will not be able to make decisions. Means without accounting for the fact that this is what it will mean. This is what people will do like push into Bitcoin or into real money instead of hours. They lose all of their power. And with that you you fix you fix all of the massive Miss allocations now don't get me wrong. The transition is going to be rough. The transition is going to be crap. People are going to like my house is probably not going to be worth a third of what I paid for it after this collapse. I kind of bought a house knowing that that was probably going to be the case after this, you know, next collapse happens unless they of course. Like inflate to the winds and yeah, there's no telling but if we had a large credit crisis, I at least and I sat in that I said, okay if this happened can I live with that? Is that okay? So my luck would be that they continue to inflate the currency away and they steal the money from all of the producers of society and devalue my mortgage on this house. And that's probably what they'll do until they don't have any choice but in the short run it will probably be a deflationary credit spiral where the actual value of the actual supply of money is getting cut because of defaults defaults defaults the vaults, etc. Etc. So having a deflationary currency having a sound money that puts a check on all of that power will destroy the institutions that only survived because of inflation it eliminates the entire advantage that being able to obtain inflation based debt, like like the whole financing world that profits off over inflated stock prices and asset prices and gets inflation based debt at incredibly cheap rates before everyone else in the economy. Got remember this. Another thing is that this is one of the ways one of the many ways that they have even more power is Whoever gets the money first is able to pay the higher price is even it credit or the printing press whatever it is. Whoever gets the money first and even worse at a lower interest rate than they that they then they offer it and loaning out to other people too. They get it first and now they can afford the higher wages. They can afford the better workers. They can afford the resources before the prices go up and now everybody else in the economy. We all the producers in the middle class and the poor they're working their butts off to keep all of this stuff. Alive Now sees the prices of all their goods being bid up the prices of gas the price of gas going up the price of healthcare going up the price of all these assets going up their rent is going up and they don't get the money until you know, ten twenty steps down the line when they're finally getting paid and all the prices are already high. So the banks and the financial world that gets these gets this money the closer you are politically or economically to the printing press the more power you have it's the entire thing revolves all the power revolves around how close you are to the ability to get the money for nothing and all of that. Genuinely breaks away in a world with Bitcoin and it does so without even attempting we're not even instituting reinstituting a free market Bitcoin has made money this weird social good that no one owns and I mean it does that's kind of a thing about Bitcoin is that it is entirely based upon voluntary Association that you can't force anybody to use Bitcoin and so it is essentially a free market in money, but it's no longer the free. Market as her agita Holtzman was talking about it in the freedom to Mint and issue paper substitutes for gold. We have an entirely different environment where Bitcoin is this collectively managed monetary policy that know it just it's fascinating and it's going to it is going to completely flip I think people discount how much of And Banking and like Financial power comes from just that one that one differentiator. It's not taxes taxes obviously are the the government has the ridiculous moral exception that they can take from someone and it's morally okay and if I take from someone well, it's morally terrible like it's bad. They get that bizarre religious exception to the what is a Real truth they get to actually hurt people for good reasons. And that won't really go away that will that will still be there but taxes are not where they get the most of their power their power is in debt with no cap in deficits that can just run wild the ability to bail out any institution that they want to keep running and to essentially buy you the Federal Reserve is buying assets. Think about that the Reserve is buying things from the actual economy actual stock propping up all of these prices if purchased loans and it means the it's insane. They are literally soaking up they own all of these Assets in end quote unquote altruistic efforts to fix the world. We're going to own everything to make in order to make everything better how ridiculous is that but most of the power most of the most of the redistribution of resources is in the fractional Reserve System where loans are being created constantly just within financial institutions and like they have the right to do it just themselves and then in the ability to run up debts as far as they want to at the government and Central Banking level and by extension deficits, you could just it doesn't matter how much you bring in just spend whatever you feel like you need to spend and you know, as long as we say It's for jobs jobs or any jobs. Well, then, you know, it's great. You know, no big deal will just invent money out of thin air. And of course it will grow the economy and everything will be wonderful and it'll be great Bitcoin is a cap on all of that power. All of it. It it ruins the advantage and the ability to actually maintain fractional reserve. It destroys the ability to just make whatever decision at the Federal Reserve that they want because it has immediate effects because there's a there's a quick and instant Escape valve that they cannot control. It makes individuals more self-reliant. It will incentivize savings again. We'll have a robust economy people will Invest in long-term projects hold or will be a cultural Nationwide Global phenomenon, and it will be the it's the it's the proof of the cultural effects of savings on a hard money asset granted. We're obviously in the monetization stage of things, but it will essentially always be like that and this is just kind of a an exaggerated version of the sentence just because it's being monetized. So you're seeing exponentially greater growth than you would actually see in like a market saturated environment. But by 2028 Bitcoin is going to be the hardest money the most sounds most disinflationary money that has ever existed ever and it's completely open. You can sa it. You know Assa why you can verify what it is and that you're using real money. Every time you make a transaction. No big deal you it's at that just can't believe that people don't see Ah, that's not true. I can't believe it but It's upsetting to me how powerful of a tool and a technology this is and the people don't get it. I mean, that's why I'm here doing this show is because I want to share it out. You know, I want people to understand exactly what we're dealing with here. This is not this is this is on the level of centuries and centuries as far as the amount of change. This is going to bring two. how we organize and cooperate as a society and I don't think I'd really don't think you can overstate it because I think we're thinking evitable EU Miss second third and fourth level changes that you just wouldn't think of, you know again with the Thinking Beyond stage one. It's very hard to sometimes it's really easy to like obviously of the first effects and then second layer effects, but there's third fourth fifth layer like it continues to compound again. And again, the number of changes in the amount of change that is going to come as a result of this I think is really really really hard to overstate. And this all obviously on the hinges on the fact that Bitcoin continues to be successful and continues to be resistant to governments and resistance resistant to the ability to inflate its currency away, etc. Etc. But I don't think that's hard too. I kind of think we're over. I think we're past the point of no return. I don't think we can go back and as much as the transition will inevitably be painful. It's the funny thing is is it's not really Bitcoin that's forcing the pain when you think about it, the the financial system is destroying itself. The financial system is committed suicide like there's no way for these debts like they was going to be Relation one way or the other. It's actually kind of a miracle that we have an escape valve to so that we do not expose ourselves to it so that we're not completely trapped in paying the consequences of their fraud and their Miss allocation and their massive massive Miss allocation of resources. Somebody has to pay the price. It should be them Bitcoin makes it so that it can be them. Em as long as you know, we use that as our Escape valve. All right, I think we'll ankle start wrapping this up. The only other thing I wanted to say, which I didn't want to dwell on a whole lot just because I think it's silly but I guess it's important to address when they talk about like the deflationary spiral is how everybody will hoarding money. Well a hoarding money doesn't take resources away from anybody money is not a consumable resource if you hoard money and it creates Price level deflation. Well, it just means that stuff gets cheaper for other people. So they need less money to obtain it like again money is just money is just a proxy for actual resources. So if you withdraw money from the economy, you're not actually taking resources from other people you're leaving resources available. You're putting resources into the economy because you produced and then holding the money in its place as a promise that you'll be able to get those resources back in the future. But all you've done is made resources available to other people. So it's literally the exact opposite. It's not a case where people are hoarding money and therefore others cannot afford stuff because they don't have the money. It's people are hoarding money therefore the prices and availability of all the other goods are higher. The prices are all lower because the availability of all those goods are higher because they are hoarding money. Therefore everyone can afford stuff. So is the exact opposite if you had Incredibly High savings rate. I mean look at all the look at all the prices today. Everything is fueled by debt and spending all prices are going up. Right? Well, you'd have the exact opposite if everybody was saving and you didn't have constant increases of the money supply. Well, then, you know things would become more affordable like so to argue that hoarding money would make resources less make it harder for people to afford things would be to argue that all this debt and spending and everything is making things more affordable for everyone and that's not the case ask anybody if Health Care is more or less affordable than it was 20 years ago housing 20 years ago education anything and then the other one that I consider hilariously absurd is that a deflationary spiral would mean people just hold onto money and they never spend it on anything. well, you've got a Why is that? Why would why would people do that? Because they want to hold money because they think is going to go up in value right? Because they want to hold value that does not decrease or does not go away and they want their future to be better than the present. They're doing it to make their lives better. So when you say inflation will keep people from doing that like obviously it's not going to change people's tendency to want to hold something that obtained that keeps its value. And to want them to make their lives better in the future, like that's not going to go away. It's not going to change what they are trying to do and what they want to do with their value. They just won't do it with money anymore. They'll do it was actual resources and commodities and assets which means it will be taking real resources away from other people when they're holding money. They're leaving those resources for other people. They're they're hoarding money and again making those resources available if You're not hoarding money. Well, then now you're hoarding assets. Now, you have the situation like Connor Brown's article that we read. I'll be going has no utility and that's great. Something is named something like that. I'll try to remember to put that one in the show notes to the that article. He talks about how like now real estate and land is the number one place for the wealthy to park their money and it was something like I can't remember the exact percentage but something like 30% of luxury homes in some area I think was in the California or something sit empty for the vast majority of the year because Wealthy people are just parking their money there so that it does not lose value. They're soaking up all the supply of housing increasing the the price of Housing and making it harder for RIT for poor people and middle class people to live because they're buying up all the actual assets. They're buying up all the houses. They don't need to live in they've got plenty of houses already there just soaking it all up because they can't park their wealth in money. It will lose all of its. Its value. So again, it's the exact opposite is what they claim and then also just the silliness that oh people will just hold money forever and then never spend it. Well, the only reason you hold money is so that you can consume money is pointless since like it's like saying like you only use it like oh God, okay easy easy example, you know what happens when people start holding money and the price goes up. Exponentially, well people start spending it because they got wealthy and because the whole purpose of actually Holdings an asset that increases in value is to then use that value at a later date and then it crashes. You know, how we know that that's how it happens. You know, how we know that it does not last forever. No matter how scarce the monetary good is well because it's happened like six times in Bitcoin happens all the time so we know exactly how that ends. It's not infinite. It just goes through cycles and those will start to ease out. They will they will level out and become less volatile as its it continues in the future it already has if you see like the three or four major major bubbles that have happened you put them on a volatility chart and they're less volatile it just as the economy becomes more liquid that's going to become less and less of an issue. And we already know it doesn't last forever. We already know what an economy looks like. We already know that the Bitcoin Bitcoin economy has vast amounts of investment. There is no shortage of capital going around because tons of people have savings to start their own businesses tons of Odes Bitcoin. Oh, geez, we've been in this space. We're really onto long time are starting up businesses and becoming producers because they have savings because this economy creates huge incentives to hold your resources for later use in the future to leave those resources available to other people and hold your money and to save to save this is a savings technology that fixes the imbalance of the inflationary and the fractional Reserve System. The only real problem that the Bitcoin economy has is the fact that people don't buy frivolous crap. If you don't have a real product this worth something to somebody nobody's going to buy it from you. Probably the only thing you can get is lightning stickers that will actually sell but that's the kind of the thing is it it just changes incentives. It changes the nature of the economy and priorities. It changes people into a long-term time preference talked about many times on the show the difference between short-term and long-term time preference and the Bitcoin standard if you haven't read it, what are you doing? You need to get it? On that and I don't know it's just going to be we're looking we're genuine. This is why I call it a new world. This is why when I close out my show I called the crypto Kana me a new economy. I consider it completely at odds with the incentive structure with the the fundamental systemic model of the Legacy economy. What we have is fundamentally different here and Young it's still just being born but you can see where it's going to go and it's going to change everything that's going to change culture. It's going to change incentives is going to change savings rates is going to destroy this debt based. It's going to make this debt based system. Finally destroy itself is going to be the Catalyst that I think actually allows us a way out of all of this. And which is hard to believe that that's actually available to us. I don't know of any other time in history in which there was there was a way to possibly shift your way out of the consequences of this type of debt crisis not on an economic like not only whole society scale like Zig Global Escape valve. Essentially. I'm so never to this degree. Do I know of it ever being possible like it would be It'd be a huge historical event obviously and I probably set it up million times, but it's just I don't think we could be living through a more exciting and more consequential time in history. Like the fact that we are here right now seeing this happen and seeing this unfold I think it's just extraordinary. Okay, I'm out. It's I'm tired. It's been a long day. I hope you guys enjoyed this guy's take episode where I just ranted all about deflation and inflation in the difference between two the two different economies that are at war in a sense and the different incentives and what type of people and what type of structure they will produce and I want to give one more. Thanks to Jesus not org. I hope you guys listened to deflation and Liberty by her gido Holzman because it's amazing and I loved it such a good piece. Lots of great info in that one. And of course if you haven't and you want to go you want to go 300 Pages deeper into this read the ethics of money production. It's extraordinary. It's based on the same theme the same idea just taking NG it to just far deeper than you can imagine. So it's amazing. I'll definitely check that one out. You know, I'll link to that in the show notes to I'll try to remember I got like Simon Lutz's time and demand Keynesian errors article we've got deflation in Liberty you another really good one is why does Fiat money exists that one really has a lot to do with the essentially the one good reason why the government Would always want control of our money. Wait. Wait, is that what it's called or why does government controller money? I don't know. I figured out check the show notes. I'm gonna have a lot of great episodes for follow-ups and deeper diving into this topic. Thank you guys so much for joining me. You're listening to the crypto economy and I am guys Swan. I hope you all have a wonderful weekend and I will catch you back here with another episode. Don't forget Monday we got The interview with Aaron van Werdum coming at you and it's a really really fun when I think you're going to enjoy it. So I will catch you back here then don't forget to subscribe share this out with everybody, you know in the Bitcoin and crypto Khanna me space and follow me on Twitter at the crypto economy and until then take it easy guys.

Inflation, or manipulation of the money supply to the benefit of the politically well connected, is quite possibly the most pervasive frauds of modern society. It creates multiple layers of compounded resource misallocation, it benefits the debtors and manipulators at the expense of savers, it puts a constant downward pressure on living standards, and it enables more unchecked corruption and abuse of power than any other aspect of our political systems. Following Hulsmann's work, Deflation & Liberty, we have a foundation to understand how deflation, and sound money, strips the false elites of this power. Bitcoin isn't a new player, Bitcoin is a whole new game. Today we have a Guy's Take follow-up to Hulsmann's great work, and a conversation on how Bitcoin could bring down the state. Other Episodes & Works mentioned in today's show: Jorg Guido Hulsmann's, Deflation & Liberty https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_278---Deflation--Liberty-Part-1-e4q6gc https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_279---Deflation--Liberty-Part-2-e4qpvp Conner Brown's, Bitcoin Has No Intrinsic Value https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_249---Bitcoin-Has-No-Intrinsic-Value---Thats-Great-e43bcm Simon Lutz's, Keynesian Errors on Time and Demand https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-has-no-intrinsic-value-and-thats-great-e6994adbfe0f Thomas Sowell's, Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One https://www.amazon.com/Applied-Economics-Thinking-Beyond-Stage/dp/0465003451 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

This is the young entrepreneurs network podcast where serial entrepreneur public speaker. Social media expert Marcos dobrow will be interviewing some of the greatest upcoming current experts in their respective industries from artists entrepreneurs e-commerce experts emplou answers and more to help you take your passions and aspirations and create your own successful Brands and businesses. businesses now, let's get straight into the show that could possibly change your thinking and why Welcome ladies and gentlemen Marcus diver here and welcome to the first official episode of the young entrepreneurs network podcast today. Our guest is a park Rider who's an expert podcaster and public speaker. How are you doing Margo's? I'm doing great man. I'm stoked to be joining you on the podcast today. I'm absolutely thrilled that you own and we've been challenged for quite a while and I'm like really excited for my audience. Here the Great Value that you're going to bring and knowledge. So let's get straight into it. So the first kind of question and a for the people that don't know you can you give a little brief on where you're from how your childhood was growing up? Yeah, for sure. So basically growing up I grew up in the Midwest and I've always been someone who's been sort of naturally gifted at the ability to do well in school without really having to try so throughout like elementary school middle school high school. I was almost able to get pretty much Straight A's without having to devote too much time to school. So I've always had a lot of time to really invest into whatever caught my interest and for most of my early upbringing that was video games. I played a lot of video games me and my friends were always playing FIFA Was like a consistent. I mean like like just thinking about the amount of time that I have spent playing FIFA throughout my life. So far is is absolutely ridiculous and think about like if I would have known half of what I know now a tenth of what I know now when I was like 14 years old like would have been a game-changer but that being said I was really into fee for growing up didn't take school. Well, I took school pretty seriously, but I didn't really spend that much time doing it ended up starting going to college in my junior year of high school and so took my junior and Your year at college and now I'm finishing up my 4 year degree in two and a half years right now at the University of Wisconsin. So that that basically brings us up to the present there have been some some ups and downs throughout that process some good decisions and bad decisions, but we can definitely get into any of that if you want to but that's that's the gist of where I come from. Yeah, man, that's great. It sounds like you were privileged he brought up but obviously you had to work to where if you got now. But in schools actually fascinating that school was easy for you because a lot of the entrepreneurs out there these days say that they don't enjoy school. So it's interesting that you actually found School easy. I know that as an entrepreneur you you thinking out the box and you creating new things constantly. So it's great that you will also be able to you know have that ability to do well in school. Yeah, I think well, I think the draw to it for me was like I sort of saw it as a game. I'm like, I kind of just like reverse-engineered like what did I have to do to get the a and a lot of it especially in college now like a lot of it has come down to relationships. So like when I tell my friends about like how I just completely bombed a test, but then like since I'm in tight with the professor I was able to like get that grade bumped up like a lot of them were like dude, that's so scummy. But I'm like, I'm just taking advantage of my circumstances. So I'm really a people person. I'm an introvert but I'm definitely a people person and like I I really With the people around me and I don't I don't like manipulate people but like I build those relationships that I know I can leverage in the future in those scenarios. Yeah, that's good. I think I think that's why your podcast has done so well in such limited time because you just, you know, you love to listen to people in their stories and you open to know connecting with new people and I think that's a key point in business and in podcasting. Do you know if you don't like to listen to people and hear their story? You're not going to enjoy hosting podcasters every day, and I know that you post podcasts very often and I think you know, it's amazing gift that you have two networks people and help those people skills that is relevant in today's time because everyone I mean you can edit you can do this you can code but if you don't have people skills to actually connect with people it's gonna be very hard for you in the business World. Absolutely. Absolutely. And like one thing you mentioned their man is listening and that's that's so hugely important in any relationship whether that's like on a podcast interview or a professor or somebody you want to like get to know like you have two ears and one mouth like take the hint and start listening more and talking less because honestly if you want someone to really like you the best way to do that is to just let them talk about themselves. Just let them talk about what they're passionate about because Cuz they're just going to have people love. Oh my gosh, people love talking about themselves. Like if people love talking about what they're passionate about. So if you can get somebody talking about those things in a conversation with you, they're going to associate that good feeling that they got from talking about those things with you. And once they put that good feeling on you. That's that's that's magic right there. Yeah. So I mean even with sales it's like you can make a sale if you make the person feel important. It's not about your product what you silent. It's about making them feel like it's worth buying and making them. All important and listening. Yeah, exactly. So I think you know, that's why you've done so well and know a lot of people struggle with that so to equip that skill is I congratulate you and people know that you have that because it's the way that you talk to people the way that you present yourself your body language. Just a great guy who everyone loves you. So yeah, let's go into what business means to you. And you know where you kind of started. I don't want to really go and you know the whole thing where you know started entrepreneur thing and you saw this and that but I want to go really deep into what business means to you. And what's the purpose because you know, everyone wants to make money but there has to be something behind that, you know leading that yeah, so go straight into that. Yeah for sure. So the way I think about business entrepreneur Whatever is that you're solving a problem, like a lot of people get into it to just get into other people start a podcast and I asked them. Why did you start the podcast in the like well, I just wanted to start a podcast and I'm like like why like, what's your purpose? Like? Why did you do that? Like, why are you investing all this time energy resources into this thing. If you don't even know why so you need to have you need to understand why you're doing something and it should be to solve a problem. Like if you want to create an impact in the world. If you want to get paid if you want to build a brand for yourself like you need to be solving a problem that that is how things happen. That's how the world works like people who solve problems get rewarded in the bigger the problem you solve that the bigger the reward for that that solution is. So when when I'm thinking about getting into a new business or growing my existing businesses, I'm always thinking about solving problems and I'm like, okay what first of all who who am I doing provide this solution? Like who is my target audience was my target market? What are their problems? Like, what is this group of people struggling with on a regular basis? And then what is my solution to that problem? Okay. So once you have the answer to all three of those questions, then you can really begin to build a business. But if you don't have the answers to all three of those questions in depth answers, I'm talking to you really truly understand who you're serving how you're serving them in what you're serving them with if you don't have solid answers to all those questions, you're not ready yet. You need to go back to the drawing board. You just do some serious self-reflection, which is an area that I see a lot of young people really a neglecting and I myself included like I've only really started to go deep on self-reflection recently, but it's just been an exponentiate ER to everything that I'm doing when I take the time to really reflect with myself think about where I'm at where I'm going and where I've come from. So guys whenever you're starting something new you really just got to reflect on those three questions. Who are you serving? How are you serving them in? What are you serving them with? Yeah, I definitely I mean we were talking and I remember you did say your mission is comparing a hundred thousand young people to live a fulfilled life. So did you kind of tell us about how you kind of got to that and what are the steps that you're going to take to do that? Because obviously they're saying there's one thing but doing it is another that's that's the truth and I'm glad you brought that up because like you said my mission is to empower a hundred thousand young people to pursue a life that makes them feel fulfilled and excited every single day. And the reason that I want to do that is because growing up I was somebody who like I talked a little bit earlier. Like I didn't really have a vision of what I wanted to do. I didn't really have anything that I was particularly good at. I was just kind of like existing just like floating through life playing a lot of video games hanging out with my friends doing some drugs like, you know the usual but the thing is like when I was growing up all I saw was this system of go to school get good grades. Going to college get good grades get a good job work there for 45 years like retire to Florida and die. Like that is the life that I saw as my really only option and all of my friends were in the same boat. Like we were all just this is this is just what we thought life was and we really think we had really any any say about it. So once I realized once I started to network with successful individual people who were doing things outside the Traditional School System people who were making things happen like, Like 10 figure real estate developers like Grammy award-winning rappers, like like the people that I now associate myself with in that exist in my circle once I started meeting these people and hearing their stories. I was like, there's there's a whole nother world out there. There's so much more opportunity than I realized when I was younger and and there were and then my friends realized as well. So from there, I was like, I gotta I gotta tell people about this because other people that people around me had no idea about all these opportunities. He so I felt it was my obligation then to share this with those people because if I didn't I was actively preventing them from finding potentially a better life path for themselves. So that's that's where that really really came from. And as far as how I plan to do that or how I am doing that right now that the two primary platforms are my podcast and then public speaking. Okay. So my podcast Young Smart money I'm able to reach hundreds of thousands of young people with that show, which is is allowing. Move closer to my mission and my mission is to empower them to live a life that makes them feel fulfilled in excited and that doesn't just mean they listen to an episode of my podcast because if that was the case, I would have hit that hundred thousand person go a long time ago, but my goal is to actually have them take action. Okay, like I want people like going out there and and starting their own podcast or starting their own YouTube channel or starting like their own. I don't know like software company or like starting something on their own doesn't have to be a business like start start increasing. Part or something like something that just gets them fired up. So that's that's the podcast and then as far as public speaking goes I can reach a lot of people at the podcast but with public speaking I can really impact people on a deeper level. So that's that's why I've really been getting into that. And the thing the thing about it is neither of those two platforms are necessarily like what I want to be doing long-term. Like I see my goal as this house that I want to build like my empowering a hundred thousand young people. That's that's building a House, okay. And in order to build a house, you need tools. Okay, you need lots of different Tools in order to build a house. Like if you just took a screwdriver and you're like I'm going to build a house with this screwdriver people be like this dude's freaking crazy. Like you're not going to build a house with a screwdriver like you need some other stuff to do get that get that job done. So I just I see the podcast I see public speaking. I see these things as tools that are going to help me build the house, but once I get to a different a different stage of the project or once I find a Tool I'm not going to hesitate to move to that better tool if it's going to help me get the job done faster. Okay, like if I'm if I'm using like a like a hand saw to like to like cut this would like build this house and then somebody comes along with like like a chainsaw. I'm like, yeah, I'll use I use the chainsaw to get the job done much much faster. So that's that's sort of how I see the things that I'm doing right now is kind of just like tools to help me get this project done, but the tools are not the project like that the project is the project in the tool that the tools so that's that's kind of how I see that At yeah, definitely. I think you know, whatever it takes to get your message out there you're going to do and I think that's important for the audience to understand that whatever it takes because you can't put all your eggs in one basket and expect to get the result know if your audience like something else you're going to have to go to their you're not going to come to you and ask you to move. So I think that's great advice. So let's go into you know, what's the future looking like for you, you know finishing University. He podcasting speaking at events. What's the future looking for like a park Rider? Yeah, for sure. So basically what's on the horizon for me. I mean, I really am and I'm not somebody who plans out my life very far in advance. Obviously. I set goals and like the day before is usually when I would plan out the next day because I'm a huge. I mean huge believer in the gym around saying don't start your day until it's finished and that basically just means like don't don't Start don't let go into the day without really understanding what or like fully planning it out and understanding like what you're going to be doing that day. So don't start your day until it's finished. That's something that I live by but I haven't really finished planning out my one year five year ten years stretch because things change so quickly man. Like I'll I'll I'll I'll be exposed to something or I'll have a new business opportunity or I'll meet someone who really changes the game for me. And obviously I My visions that I'm working towards I have that goal that I'm working towards so that the shiny object syndrome is not really something that I struggle with it this point just because I have sort of found my groove that I've gotten into and I understand like I understand that you can be successful in anything but you can't be successful in everything. Okay, because the Grass Is Always Greener where you water it. Okay, the grass is not greener on the other side. The grass is greener where you water it where you give it attention where you focus on it because you can be successful with I think you can be successful dropshipping like look around you there's there's tons of people having success in that you can be successful in Amazon successful on YouTube in podcasting on Instagram. Like you can be successful with literally anything. It's just a matter of you giving it the time attention focused resources that it needs. Okay. So that being said what I see for my future is is continuing to invest in my ability to impact people. Okay, like as long as I can continue spreading the message that there are so many Ways for you to live your life outside the traditional nine and five as long as I'm able to do that like I am thriving I am enjoying my life. I am loving my life and that's really all I can ask for so I'm planning on continuing doing that through whatever whatever tools whatever mediums make the most sense. But again podcasting is definitely working out. Well for me, I'm really enjoying it a lot. It's crazy to see how the show is just growing over time connecting with some really really cool people. So continuing to do that continuing to speak. Eek and then and then just finding ways to provide value to people I mean, so how basically because we can we can dive into this later but like the podcast itself is not how I make money. I choose not to put sponsors on the show because like I literally just want the show to be straight value. I don't want there to be like 60-second ad spots for like I don't even know like who like zipper cruder or like I don't even know who the people are that have Ties on podcast these days but like I don't want to take those guys on my show. So I keep that I keep it very clean. So I make all my money on the back end But continuing to find ways to provide value to people and that's that's that's the plan for me. Well, that's good. It's very encouraging to hear and I think that going to go for you. Definitely Gonna Go Far. I'm so let's get in to you know, how are you making money? I'm speech you can actually have a few ideas and try to explain to them in depth of like, you know, you can do it and there's different ways. Yeah, so going to yeah, so I'm gonna explain you guys. Something that I haven't shared before on a podcast and it's the idea of using a podcast as a funnel. Okay, and when I say using a podcast of the funnel, I'm talking about sales funnels here. So a sales funnel if you're not familiar, I would highly highly recommend you guys pick up this book. I guess you guys can't see the video but I'm holding up the.com Secrets book by Russell Brunson right now and this book's been extremely impactful for me in in basically. Just just breaking down the sales funnel concept. So the sales funnel concept is essentially you have a series of offers that you Right to people and it's shaped like a funnel. So at the top of the funnel is like a freebie that you give away. So for example, say you give away like a free PDF or you got a free pdf from someone like that's the top of their funnel and you had to give them your email address. So at the top of finally given the email address to get a free pdf. The next thing is they might offer you this like twenty seven dollar product. So maybe they're offering you like a $27 like mini course or something. So then you could buy that from them and if you bought that they'd offer you this like $97. I don't like ebook or something and then it takes a step further maybe like a 997 dollar coaching program and then they just take you farther and farther down this funnel and again less people come down the funnel the farther you go, but the farther down you go the more value you provide and and the more money you make so that's the basic idea of a sales funnel. Now, how does that apply to podcasting? How does that apply to how I'm making money? So basically what I do is I use my podcast as the top of a sales funnel. Okay. So I use my podcast as that first step on the scale. But not in the way that you might think so you might be thinking that I then used that funnel to get the people who listen to my show to then buy things for me and that's not what I do right now. That's not what I do. What I do is I get my guests that I have on the show to buy from me. Okay, I get the guest that I have on the show I find ways to provide them with value because the whole point of my podcast for The Listener is straight value. I'm not trying to monetize my listeners at all. That is not the goal of my podcast the goal of my podcast. Yes is to provide as much value to them as possible completely for free not asking for anything how I make my money then is on the back end by working with the influencers that I have on my podcast through different channels. But primarily I mean I have a background in social media marketing I ran an agency before I started my podcast so I know a bit aren't they said when I first started my podcast I knew a bit about Facebook ads Instagram ads and social media marketing. So with that knowledge, I then went out learned a lot more and now what I do. I build funnels. I build email sequences. I build Facebook Messenger about sequences. I basically do all of the funnel work and the Facebook ads work for different guess that I have in the podcast for different things that they're promoting. So basically I find someone I get them on the show talking about their business get to learn about what they're struggling with what they're promoting all that good stuff and then at the end if I think we'd be a good fit. I'll be like, hey just so you know, I build up funnels I build up add sequences for for influencers like yourself. It sounds like you might be launching this product in the near future. If you're ever looking for someone to do some work for you, let me know would love to help you out. So that's that's basically how I start relationships with the influences that I have in my show because the podcast completely free it provides them values while because it gives them exposure to this entire audience of people and then from there I'm able to sort of use that law of reciprocity. So like wow this you just gave me so much exposure through this podcast that now I kind of like want to give back to him or I want to find a way to reciprocate that and then if I share with them what I do, They feel like it might be a good fit for them. Then we start working together. So that's that's my business model in a nutshell. That's nothing that I've shared on the podcast on on a podcast before so I hope you guys are taking notes there because I really do believe that you can really build a a massive and I mean I'm living proof that you can build a serious business doing that. I've only been using that real business model for honesty only a few months now, but it's already grown from from the time. I started to just that alone is bring me in anywhere between five and ten thousand dollars a month consistently. Yeah, I mean make sure to you know, if you want to re-listen to that and take notes and no actually get started do it. He's saying that you know, you guys can also do it. It's a it's a good way to bring in passive income. Whatever. Yeah, and I think again it's just about you know you offering something to the people that you've nected were and connected with and again, I think that's why it works. So well because you giving the listener and the person the influencer Speak and you know, you actually sent him I can help you. I can generate something for you. So yeah congrats on that and I think that's a great way for anyone to actually bring an income. Yeah. Thank you. Now one thing that I want to say about that just like a little caveat there is yes, it will work for anyone but what you need is you need a valuable skill in order for that to work. Okay. I see a lot of people trying to get involved with personal branding podcasting whatever and they struggle with building a business because they don't have a A valuable skill they don't have something they can provide people with and if that is you if you like Manny speaking to me right now, like I wanted to get started. I don't have a valuable skill like learn something. Okay go out there learn how to do Facebook ads learn how to do. I don't know copywriting learn how to do email marketing learn how to do Facebook Messenger about marketing like learn how to do something that can provide value to someone literally just take like like I don't like one one two, three months dedicated to learning and implementing. Much as you can about one certain thing and then after that like one, two, three to six-month span you come out on the other side and you're like, okay. I think I feel confident doing this for other people and honestly, you can just get started working for free. That's how I got started like 12-18 months ago. Just working for free finding people who I knew could benefit from my skillset working for them for free and then eventually turning out into a paid relationship. So just you got it you got to develop a skill. Okay, you guys got to develop a skill if you don't have Have one yet and you're young which I'm assuming a lot of you guys are take some time and really learn how to do something. Well because if you don't have that skill yet. You're going to have a hard time providing any value or solving any problems for anyone. So that's that's just a little caveat that I want throw in there. Yeah, definitely and there is no excuses guys. There's YouTube there's podcast they are so many free educational things that you can educate yourself and you know bring assets to your table where you can offer value. And the people so they are no excuses as you've seen, I mean offering free service a lot of people don't agree with them. But I think it's I mean, it's great if you want to work for you know, high-level guys 819 figures, you know, they're not going to just you know, start paying you a random guy. They gonna want to know what you bring to the table. So starting for free sometimes isn't the badge if you were to look at the situation. So yeah, I think that's great value to take that into account. Learn the skill Implement that At and actually just get started and you know, Don Rush the process your have to start making money after week don't give up. So yeah, that's definitely Great Value. Thank you hundred percent. So let's go into action. Wanted to ask you have like a men's own inspiration to your business. You know, like who how did it start? Did you just suddenly, you know love podcasting or did you see someone that you know made it special for you and you thought that I would be something to do it. Could go into now, you know, so I first got started on YouTube actually. So basically my progression went started a YouTube channel started a social media marketing agency and then started a podcast and starting that YouTube channel really just opened my eyes to so many different things because like that was the first like not it wasn't really a business. It was kind of something that I was doing for fun. But like the first Passion project I ever had and I started that YouTube channel because somebody who I looked up to who made YouTube videos at the time he had about 5,000 subscribers he Was giving away free Skype calls. So I was like, well she would like I look up to this guy. He's only got like 5,000 subscribers, but he's talking about personal finance and investing and building credit which are all things that I'm super passionate about. So I took him up on this free Skype call told him about my situation where I was at he was like man, you got to start a YouTube channel and I was like, okay, I'll start a YouTube channel. So that that same night. I started YouTube channel started talking about stuff that I was passionate about personal finance building credit investing all that good stuff and he has been someone who's been extremely extremely Impactful on me and somebody was really change the entire trajectory of everything for me. And at this point in time, he's grown a lot on YouTube. He's got about I believe 500,000 subscribers then he still somebody that I work very closely with because he was one of the first people I started working for free for as well. And this guy some of you guys might know him. His name is Ryan Scribner. He makes YouTube videos and he's been a huge Mentor for me not not in that not because he has a podcast. Easy doesn't it but just in the business space, he's taught me a lot of things about really I see a lot of young people making this mistake and it's that they think that there's some kind of like secret sauce or like they're looking for like the cheat codes or like the tactics that are going to solve everything for them. And the biggest thing that this guy that this guy Ryan taught me is that there's there's no cheat codes. There's there's nothing special. There's the people you look up to are just people they don't have any Secret knowledge that you don't have okay. It's been extremely extremely eye-opening meeting these these eight nine ten figure earners and realizing that they don't have anything that the rest of us don't have. Okay these people who are making millions of dollars online. They don't have anything that you don't have. Okay, what they do have is they had persistence? Okay, they had a vision they had passion and they had persistence. Okay, they knew where they wanted to go. Okay, they had that vision. They had the persistence to just keep following through with it because they were passionate about it. Okay, and if you can combine those three things that Vision that passion that persistence like that is weird crazy stuff starts to happen and and normal everyday people can really change their lives significantly. Like I have witnessed like this dude this guy Ryan he and the last like 18 months has gone for making like $1,000 a month online to making like $60,000 a month online just Through that persistence like nothing special about him. He's just making YouTube videos. He's just doing affiliate marketing and and he's a completely normal guy, but just because he was able to keep going to have persistence have that Vision. He's now changed his life significantly. So I just want you guys to know and coming from coming from me. I mean, it might not mean a lot to some of you guys but there's nothing special about any of the people you look up to like literally it's not and I'm not trying to like be mean to Ryan. At all like I have nothing but respect for this guy but like getting to know him personally. I was just flabbergasted that he was such a normal guy like he was so just like just like a normal guy he would meet on the street and it's just it's really it's really eye-opening when you have that that real relationship with someone that you've looked up to for so long and realize that they are just a normal human being there. Nothing crazy there now Einstein they just had that persistence and they had that passion to To keep them going and moving towards their Vision. Well, that's brilliant. Well, I think you know again guys just getting started is great. And I think you know wherever it is YouTube podcasting instagramming. This guy's gonna be out there who are similar Visions to you similar characteristics and you got find where your passion about any advice in terms of you know, How to get started if you don't know where to go where to start or what your passion is just for the guys out there that you know in the school system and I'm not used to having the entrepreneurial mindset. Is there something that you could say towards them to know, you know spark that lights in their in their hearts for sure. So I'm not here to be like a motivational speaker for you guys because that's not what I do, but I think and this probably might not be a popular opinion of the people that are Into the show but like entrepreneurship isn't for everyone. Like it just isn't like frankly. It just is not like if everyone is an entrepreneur like the economy would break like that's just that's just a fact so we need we need people who are passionate about working for different companies people who are passionate about being lawyers and doctors and scientists and and all these different things. I'm passionate about working for companies that are doing social good like we need people in all in all areas of society. Like there's just the way it is. So if you are listening to this podcast you like me Man, I really I think I think I might want to be an entrepreneur but like I it sounds really like like something I wouldn't enjoy like like you could try it, but maybe it's not for you and maybe it just isn't for you and that's totally totally fine. There's so many ways to live a fulfilled life that don't revolve around like starting a business. Okay. And so I want to I want to emphasize that first, but another thing that the might answer your question more as far as like the people who really think they might want to do something entrepreneurial. My buddy Caleb Maddox told me something he said that you need to be obsessed with something. Okay, if you want to have success in business Kayla Maddox, he's an absolute Legend super honored to know this guy to be friends with him, but he told me that you need to have an obsession. Okay, and you need to have an obsession because that obsession is was going to drive you to do massive things and to take Massive Action. So in order to to have that Obsession, if you don't know that obsession is for you. Okay, you're in this place. You don't know what your obsession is. You need to obsess over finding your obsession. Okay, you need to obsess we need to spend every waking minute of your life like finding your obsession. And for me what I have seen the most effective way for people to do this who have no idea what they want to do is to work in Seasons. Okay, I wouldn't recommend what I see a lot of people doing NYC like people failing with is bouncing around between eighteen different businesses are doing Shopify Amazon YouTube Instagram. They're starting a social media marketing agency they're doing Eighteen different things and they're doing none of them. Well, they're doing a half-assed job 18 different things and they're going nowhere. Okay, that's not what I would recommend you do at all. If you have no idea what you want to do. Don't do everything. That's that's not gonna get you anywhere. What you should do is you should work in Seasons. So when I say Seasons, I mentioned a little bit earlier but like working in like one two, three month chalks. Okay. So say you think you might be interested in podcasting. Okay, take the next one to three months. Okay, 30 to 90 days and Is entirely on podcasting? Okay, learn everything you need to know to get started then get started then if you hit another roadblock learn again and take action and learn and take action and learn and take action and just keep doing that for 30 to 90 days at the end of that period look back at the things that you've done the things that you've learned and how you felt about it. Okay, how do you do at the end of this period like do you feel like you could keep doing this like if so keep doing it. Do you feel like this is For you? Okay. That's great. Think about what are the things that you learned about yourself from this experience? Did you learn that you really like talking to people or maybe you learn that you really don't like talking to people if you learn that you do like talking to people maybe for this next season. You could try social media marketing. Okay, because that involves a lot of client interaction and then talking with people so you could try social media marketing for the next season for the next 30 to 90 days. You learn what you need to learn to get started with social media marketing. Okay. Only learn what you need to learn in order to get started. Today, okay, you learn enough to get started and then you get started. Okay, and then once your started you if you hit another roadblock, then you learn to get past that roadblock. But then you just keep executing execute execute if you hit a roadblock, then learn a little bit then execute execute execute. Okay. So in that 30 90 days again, you're executing a lot. Okay, you're not just spending 30 to 90 days watching eight hours of YouTube videos a day and in learning all this Theory like no you need to put stuff into practice. Okay need to start executing. So move into your next. In okay take what you learned from social media marketing. Did you like that? Did you not if you didn't why didn't you like it? What things didn't you like about it? Then pivot move into the next thing and just go through these different seasons all the while learning about yourself learning about different businesses and learning what you might be passionate about and that's that's what I found to be the most effective. I've got friends that have done that and it really honed in on what they want to do in a relatively short amount of time. I'm talking like within six months, they found something that they really excel at that they are very very strong and and they've been able to really like change. Change their lives in and find a lot of fulfillment satisfaction and really just hone in on that Obsession. So again guys, if you don't have that Obsession yet obsess over finding your obsession and the best way that I found to do that is to take Seasons. Okay, 30 to 90 days go all in on one thing. Okay. I'm not talking like split your energy of 10 different things like one thing for 30 to 90 days go all in on that for that entire period because if you quit 14 days in your you're not gonna learn anything about about the business you are trying about Like you need to give it a genuine like college try like go in there with an open mind and really commit yourself to that thing for a full 30 90 day season and and learn what you can learn about yourself about the business and take that knowledge with you moving forward. Yeah, I think that's you know, that's great advice. I don't want to access rephrase it because it's very powerful. If you don't know your obsession then obsessed to find your obsession guys. I think that's really powerful and a lot of the big guys do that because Cuz you know not everyone knows their Obsession, you know, when they're 15 when they team but finding it because everyone has that if one loves something so I think finding that is key to success and you know, I think the finding success is another thing because I think for some people success is money and I know for Caleb it's definitely not that and for myself it's not either you know Success is Not money for me bringing changing people's lives and impacting people. No, so that you feel like your purpose is being fulfilled money doesn't fulfill my purpose. I know that but, you know bringing value and no symptoms lasting change. That's what really brings purpose and I hope you guys really enjoyed these things apples and crazy advice and I want to say thanks again for coming at you. I know your time is limited. It's been incredible talking to you and I'm sure my audience has got some massive value from today's podcast. All of apples links will be in the description below go check them out guys. It was about you for listening. So send me a DM if you would like and tell me who you want next on the podcast. Remember guys keep learning keep growing and definitely keep innovating subscribe. If you join the podcast would be much appreciate if you would rather powerful review. And again, thanks Apple for coming on. It's been a pleasure Marco. guy

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Welcome back podcast listeners. Today. We're going to have a conversation about what success means to you. As always this information on this podcast is not designed to diagnose treat or prevent any condition. It's for information purposes only and a platform to share personal experiences. Please seek advice from your Healthcare professional before making any changes to your current lifestyle stay tuned because the alpha babes podcast is about to go live in 3 2 1Welcome to the alphabet podcast. You're here with the alpha beta sisters Hannah and Mia. Hello? Hello, what's up? It is podcast day and I've just announced to me. I that I probably had a need to do a whiz. That music was playing because oh my God you go to I've got 30 minutes a good thing that I was a teacher for so many years because I held my bladder a lot. It's not healthy. You know, it's my goddamn back. I got out because my bladder was like you need to get out girlfriend because I can't keep doing this. Yeah, exactly. So enjoy the next 30 minutes of holding that bladder as we talked about the definition of success or what success means to you and I I really feel like this is such a cool topic to just even discuss because when was the last time you thought of what success means to you? Actually when you say would like, oh, let's talk about this. I was like blah. I was right now this night that's boring. I don't reckon that's going to be a big good podcast, but then Hannah got me to do this exercise and it's actually and then we had like a full hour conversation about our values and we'll get all into this into the Yes, but yeah, and then turns out it's actually super interesting. So yeah, you guys are going to learn a lot from this and it was a super helpful exercise for me and we're going to share that exact same exercise with you guys. So I would say that paper and Pen would be really cool for you to have and perhaps if you just want to listen first and then do this activity afterwards and re-listen that's cool, but paper and Pen would be advisable. Hmm. I kind of want to start before I get into the actual like activities is The danger of when you don't know your definition of success. Yeah and the debt. Well, what I've just learned is Success the meaning of success is a direct link to what your personal values are. Yeah, and we'll get that we'll get to that because again, the question I have is when was the last time you thought about what your top ten values. Uh, it's something that we discuss in our Alpha babes mindset components and weeks one and two but it's really interesting because when we have these conversations the Like shit, I don't know what my values I don't know. I really struggle when we were doing this exercises. Like I have no idea and you have to go with what your gut feeling is straight away. And that was like hard not to like think about what they should be. Yeah, and I think that's where people get really confused of going. Okay, like well, this has to be one of my values because it's my job or it's the right thing to say or what a bitch if I don't say this, how bad is that going to make me look? Yeah and Values are your values your values a you know the true to you and it doesn't matter if they are different to somebody else. It's their important to you. And that's the only thing that matters but the danger of not knowing your definition of success is that you will then look to others to determine your success. Yeah, and what that means is if you don't have a firm grip on what it means to you, then you might attach success to be a millionaire or you might attach success to having a huge home or you might attach success to be married or all of those things that become I should I should make good money. I should be married. I should have a million followers on Instagram million followers on Instagram. And if I don't I'm not successful. Yeah, but when you actually break it down and you do this exercise All of those things if they don't align to your values your core values, it won't ever matter. Yeah, it won't ever make you happy. Yeah, and you will be in not an alignment. What's like disalignment? Yeah disalignment or not aligned? Yeah, which is disalignment. Okay, cool. We established three words that mean the same thing, but when you are not aligned to your values, what happens is you At conflict within yep, and you you're uneasy in yourself and you'll find that I don't want to do this and when you have those conversations generally nine times out of 10 is because what has been asked of you is not in alignment with your values. So, can you see how important it is to know what your freaking values are? Yeah, and also I would just like to know you might be sitting there going. Yeah. I know my values but really do you because I think That they change I think that over time and through life experiences. Maybe you've had babies, you know, lots of different things. I think your values can change over time. And as yeah as you get older, I think they changed I know that writing this list if I was to reflect back and do this exercise when I was 19, like they would have been completely different completely different. So I think this exercise is really important to do even if You think you know what your values are? It's always good to kind of check back in on them. Yeah, and you'll always have alignment with one of them that I believe will go throughout your entire life. Yeah, and when you hear our values because we will share you hours. You will see that you know me as always had this number one value no matter what no matter what age she was but the others have kind of shifted all around and so it is super important. Portent to re-evaluate that it's kind of like doing a health check on your values and where you sit and you know what it's also a really good exercise to do when you're experiencing lots of conflict in your life or you're just feeling stuck or you're not feeling happy because again nine times out of 10, it will be because whatever you're doing is not in alignment with your values. Yeah, so we're going to get kind of into this to define success for you. Is an integral to you living a successful happy life because if you don't then you're living your life Through The Eyes of somebody else which will never be your truth. Yeah, and it is important to do these exercises, even though meals like no, I don't want to do this like now like come on. I'm like no it like and there was so much Rich conversation that came out afterwards both with one another and even just within yourself. So let's get into it pen and / you will need for this. And the first thing that we're going to establish here is what is a damn value? Yeah. I feel like we need to kind of Flesh that out a bit. And once I even had that question when you're doing it, you're like why I write down your values. I'm like, I don't like when you really think about it. Like what is a value? Yeah, and so I'm using you would have seen this on Instagram stories. It's called The Life Plan by Shannon Kennedy. She's a life coach her workers in kikki, K stores surprise surprise. So Hannah's bought her book. And this is one of the exercises. Yeah, and it was cool because when I've done my own research or even when I was writing weeks one and two in our online programs for the mindset, one of the activities I have in there is to find what your values are. Yeah. So yeah, it's super cool to know that yeah on the right path, but a value defining your values is the next major. Just step to unlocking your success and values of the things that really matter to you. They're the ideas and beliefs you deem to be the most important in your life. And essentially that's all of our you is is what is important to you. Hmm. And so that's that's why I said things can change. Yeah that's was super important to re-check in with your values because they might have changed from 10 years ago. Absolutely and your values are determined by a lot of things like your back. And your upbringing your spiritual beliefs even just what you think about life and the events that you've experienced. They will all shape your values and your values are your major influence on your behavior? And they really serve as a guideline to make authentic choices, which allow you to live out your truth. Yeah, so if you don't know them and we'll just what this is my thing though. I reckon there's so many of us. Us that are just when not living our as our authentic self, we're just not we're living as what you know, what other people think we should be living. Oh, yeah and thousand percent and can I tell you just on a sidewalk and incited to bring it? Yeah, I believe values need to be taught in schools. Yeah, and I really believe that there needs to be a very strong theme of personal development that comes out within schools if you know where your We'll use our youth are the coordinates to the direction of your entire life. Fuck calculus. Like we don't even need to know that ya never used it not ever. So that's my rant on the side is I think that if we can teach our kids and they have that understanding and that self-awareness how powerful will our next Generation be. Oh, yeah for sure just incredible. So essentially what I'm going to do is I'm going to Rattle off a whole bunch of Values. Yeah, so now you know, what a value means? Okay, so it's pretty much what's important to you. Yeah. All right. So if you think about what's important to me and you kind of you're listening to this and you're driving or walking just take a moment now and just think what is it and I'm going to read out some of these and this might spark some sort of thing in your head spark a ding almost my odious in the head now. We're looking for the dings lightbulb moment. I think that's what you call that light switching. Yeah, okay, so family happiness quality time and bonding. Competitiveness winning and taking risks friendships close relationships with others affection Love caring Corporation working well with others and teamwork that could be something that's super important to you Adventure having new challenges achievement a sense of accomplishment wealth-getting Rich making money energy having Vitality with in life Freedom Independence. That could be something that's super important to you. I'm going to get me a to keep on reading now. These are directly coming out of the Life Plan book. However, there will be Central themes like you could literally just Google. Yeah our values. Yeah. Okay. So I just choosing to use this as a resource. So if a value for you could be self respect having a sense of personal identity and pride recognition having acknowledgement and status. Advancement meaning promotions. So getting promoted at work might be something that you really really Value Health mental or physical responsibility being accountable for results Fame public recognition. You could be involvement belonging being involved with others Economic Security strong and consistent income streams pleasure fun laughter a leisurely life style or it could be power control. Authority or influence over others? Okay few more. So yeah, as you can see there's a whole bunch here. Yeah generosity helping others improving Society wisdom discovering and understanding knowledge spirituality strong religious and or spiritual beliefs loyalty devotion and trustworthiness culture Traditions Customs beliefs in a Harmony being at peace. That could be a really big one for somebody just having that Inner Harmony not that conflict order stability Conformity creativity being imaginative and Innovative Integrity honest sincere standing up for oneself. And finally the last one here is personal development. So the use of potential use of personal potential So I understand that I've just rattled off a whole bunch of values there. But listen back listen back to this rewind this with your pen and paper and just jot down the ones. Okay? Yep. That's me. Yeah, so without even thinking about like or what should I answer that? You know that gut instinct we got our yep. Yeah, like it's a no-brainer. Yes. That is me. So what if you get that feeling as we've read through those values write that down so it might be Loyalty might be generosity in might be recognition or self-respect and I'm just thinking is there a way of actually us type in this in the bayou to this podcast? Yeah, there is yeah we can do that. So we'll do that that just so that you've got something to refer back to. Yeah. So once you've got that you've got your 10 the next activity to do we know that they don't know that they have to choose 10. I don't think we can set the bypass I did. Yeah, you did. So choose 10 your top 10 that align with your core values. This was more challenging than what meets the eye because there's a lot on this page. I like yeah like that that in that I think that if it if you're deciding like again go with your gut, but also go does this value show up in my life. Now, if you can kind of read it back in that context or does this value bring me happiness? Absolutely because I think that again I keep referring back to they changed. That is me doing this exercise. I was like, holy shit like mine have changed so much. But you know, you have to you have to obviously live in the present. We are here now don't get stuck into what your core values used to be and be so attached to that. They might have changed don't feel guilty about that. There is no right or wrong. So you may be putting wealth and earning money as a really high. That could be your number one. One I know a lot of people feel guilty about that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with whatever your top ten is that is what is true for you and I think that if you can just identify what is true for you right now in this present moment. That is what you need to live by. Yeah, and like don't just write down health because you think that that's what you should know the writing down so catch yourself when you go I should write that down wall. Should you because she lets go I should survive. Like if I don't then I'll have judgment. Yeah, absolutely. So I even got that. Yeah, I got that and I'll let you know what the exactly what that is. Yeah. So do we want to share what our top ten other? Yep, go for a all right. So my top 10 and I'm going to put this in I'm going to kind of let you in on the next one the next little side bit to this activity. So once you list your 10 you then have to prioritize it from most important right down to not the least important. Porter but just where we're number 10 would sit. Okay. So the way mirror and I did it was we just did write down any of the values that are lined with us and then we organized it from most important to least important within that ten. Okay. So for me, my number one value is Health mental and physical. I love to feel healthy mainly in the mind is As I'm sure you probably get for me, but I also like to feel strong physically. My next number two was personal development. So the use of personal potential I freaking love that shit. I love that shit in myself. And I love helping others get there too. Because I believe that we are infinite potential every single one of us. And if we develop that where I'm stoppable just lights me the f I'm up generosity is number three for me helping others and improving Society number for creativity number five as well. And I'm going to pause there. I really I had some limiting beliefs around writing that down and for me when I had that hesitate like hesitation. I was like I need to do some work in there. It just means that my blueprint to money is not in alignment, but I do want to have a certain sense of Elf and it's not so that I can have flashy things. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the ability to be able to tap in to that personal development and generosity on a bigger scale. So the more wealth that I have the more people that I can help unlock that personal development and be able to give I just want to give back number six was Integrity seven was wisdom 8 was pleasure number 9 was a sense of achievement and I also kind of snuck in a second like a / 9 B and I put Adventure down there and b9b. I'm doing I am going to extra here and last was competitiveness and that was really confrontational but it's important. I love being competitive. I love it. I love winning. I like taking risks. I like changing things up. Yeah, that one surprised me in terms of how it was actually right out. Hmm. Okay. Okay my turn. All right in order from Stem so number one is family happiness for sure. And I think that that's that one that Hannah said earlier that it's always remained since I was a little girl to right now. That's the one that has never changed as being family happiness. So that's really really important to me. Number two is achievement. I want to feel like I'm achieving something whether that's within my relationship, you know, financially career as a parent, whatever I just I want to feel like I'm achieving something. So that's number two number three is wealth. So very unlike Hannah that was a no-brainer for me. Like I it's not again. It's not that I want like heaps of flashy things. Like I said, I like like nice things and I don't think there's anything wrong with liking nice things is not so I want to flash it around but I want the wealth so that I don't ever have to struggle, you know, like I don't have to worry about my family financially that That it's just is it more about freedom and choices that it creates? Yeah and your family. Yeah. Yeah, there's no limitations and also want to have my own wealth. I don't want to rely on somebody else for money, which I did for a really long time like through all my ex-boyfriends and everything. Like I never never earned a lot of money and I was always in like a shitty job or like I'd change jobs and whatever and I would always have to ask my partner for money or you know, like I have Buck's like to do this and I hated that like I hated having to ask so always want my own money so I never have to ask for anything. Yeah. Well controlled. Yeah, absolutely. So that's number three number four is freedom. So that ties in very well with what I've just said, so I like to have my own freedom freedom to do whatever I want five is Health. It was funny about this. It's definitely in my it's definitely in My top 10 it's a number 5. So it's in my top 5 but interesting. It didn't make my top three and that's so funny because I'm in the health industry are but I'm going to get to that later. So that's so number six is recognition like to be you know recognized for Well did lots of different things your achievement. Yeah for achievement. Yeah. So 7 is friendship 8 is integrity 9 is pleasure and Tennis self-respect, which is super weird that that came in last for number 10 because I think it's super important to have self-respect and I felt guilty having that is number ten number ten and not higher than that why I don't know. I don't know because I think that like well, that just makes me sound like I don't care about respecting myself. It is all my top 10 out of all of those other ones, but you know, I don't know I can't even answer that and sometimes you won't be able to answer what I would say there is that maybe there is a limiting belief around that idea or that value for me that that's what's causing that little bit of disharmony with not being able to get that answer our yeah, I think because for a long time I didn't respect myself. Yeah, and you're seeing the Value of that now, yeah or like that and what it's pride in all respect myself at all. When I was growing up when I was in my early teens. Like I just there was no level of self-respect and that's been evident in relationships that I've chosen in the actions that I've you know Chosen and the way I behaved so that's my top 10 and then you need to narrow it down to top five top three. Yeah, didn't you say top five in the top three glad we're in How many yeah, it's top three. Okay, so top three. So what's your top three my top 3 was Health personal development and generosity. Okay, and my mom was family happiness number two achievement and three as wealth so Health not even on there. Yeah, and you know at the end of the day like we are very influenced by the outside and we are very influenced by the shoulds especially females I feel Like there's a lot of pressure put on us. Did you have any pressure that you should put anything in your top three? Was there anything that you like? I like I should be putting that in any guilt or were they just certain well, I had limiting beliefs around money. So that was definitely yeah for me because I was like, this is what I was discussing with me or is you know, making money can be like a measuring stick. I mean for me if I'm making Money, it's really tied to progression for me and feeling like I'm progressing and moving forward. So when I'm not feel like making money or doing what I think I should be doing. Then I feel like I'm not successful but it's really weird because I think wealth is it can be monetary, but it can be so many other things as well. And yeah, so for me, I had a lot of bit of internal conflict around the house like oh I need to explore that more because you know in our family Dynamic like if we talk about values and how they come from our upbringing, you know, our family always made money very successful in business and we grow up in that and I watched my father I would say he he is one of the most generous people I know and for me what I loved, My dad represented in a know he doesn't get a big rap in a lot of our podcast but what he represented for me was he was so passionate about his business and he was so passionate about helping others, you know, like when he passed away we heard how he had gone and paid for four to five people to have their teeth redone because they were in such a bad way and he think about how much the dentist cause but he did that because I was important to that person he did. Actually gain anything from that and there was so many things where he was like, oh, you know come and stay at our house for as long as you like. We always had randoms at our house total random. So like cover asleep on the couch. Like I'll find you a job. I'll do this. And so you know that aisle I thought that was cool. I thought that was awesome. But I think I my belief is like, oh if you help people then you make money with sometimes it's you need to make money in order to Help people like we all do degress the because forward you look at Oprah you get a car you get a car. She's got a shitload of like a shitload of money and through that she's able to bless people in so many different ways. Yeah. So I guess for me that's where that that disharmony was. Like, I really want to help people but I need money to do that in the capacity that I want to I know I can help anyone down the street. I understand that but it's yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that's just a total side tangent. Yeah, so number three have you listed yours? Yes, so family happiness. Yes achievement and wealth so Health wasn't even on my top three, which is funny because I'm a PT and that should be my top three but funny. I was like, oh shit. I should really put three Health as my number three, but it I had that conflict again that of what I should put down and it's because I'm in the industry that People would think that's my like number one priority but it's not and I and I think about that and I think we'll why is that I'm like, well, you know, like sometimes you know, there's sometimes a bit of pressure to uphold a certain look and all that sort of stuff because you are in the industry, but then when Hannah was like so okay, so maybe you're bored with the gym, or maybe you just go into a bit of a lull in your fitness. Journey. Do you like some been doing Jiu-Jitsu? He's she said do you like doing Jim? It's so as writer calls it Juju. So we call it Juju now. So do you like doing Juju? And I said, yes, and she said well why and I said because I like learning something new and that goes in with the feeling achievement. Like I'm accomplishing something so that aligned with my value but first and foremost, the reason why I do Jitsu is because it makes me more connected to my partner. So Josh is heavily into Juju. He loves it and he enjoys Doing and I see how much he enjoys it and I want to be a part of that so I can connect with him. So that directly aligns with my number one value which is family happiness. And it's interesting how me has health value has actually been intertwined into her top two values. Yeah. Well, absolutely exactly. So I still have Incorporated Health in there but physical and mental health are like, I don't know. It's just it is intertwined, but it's not the number like Like one. Yeah, and if you if you want to truly be able to help someone or keep someone motivated because I remember not key. I hate saying that because I didn't believe you can keep anyone motivated. But because motivations are feeling however to connect with someone in order to help them. I guess get into action knowing their values is incredibly important because if you can know their values then you can help. Realign people back into that decision process. Absolutely. You did this with me with Petey. When I first became a PT, I've said the story before but just in case you're new when I first became a PT I was so tough and I remember crying in the parking lot come out the front of the gym like and I called Hannah. I'm like I'm not going in I can't do this. It's too hard. I am shit. Like I'm not getting clients. I don't know what's happening and Hannah said get in that goddamn gym and put put money or put food on the table for writer. That is what you will do and after that conversation, that's exactly what I did and that's because she's about because she knew my number one value and she connected it with that. And so then it became a must not assured it became a must I must be successful within this job so I can provide for my family. Yeah. So now that we've got that big value talk out and you've got a little bit of an insight into a gas meter and I on the Snow level the next the next part to this with pen and paper is actually to have a go of writing down your definition of success and the easiest way of doing this is by writing out three sentences and one each sentence is reflective of value. So you would write I'd write a sentence or I'll share you what mine was I drive a sentence about health? I'd write a sentence about personal development and I'd write a sentence or so. About generosity and that is my definition of success. I want to stand back and I look at it. I'm like, yeah, I feel good about that. Hmm, and I think that once you have this definition of success when things are coming your way and you're feeling that conflict and you're like, okay. Well am I an alignment? Am I really in alignment right now do I really need to make this decision? Is this decision? What's best for me? It's really beneficial. So my statement of success is Success means I'm living a purposeful purposeful life a life that is driven by helping others and growing myself. So you will see there that I've Incorporated personal development within their I'm passionate about my work and it brings me abundance and freedom in my finances. I have freedom with how I choose to spend my time my health both mental and physical is at the top of its game and that's super important. Portent for me because if I've ever truly going to be able to help people I have to be able to help me first and it's super important to me to be really authentic. I don't want to be ever telling anyone what to do. If I have never done it myself first. That's really not in alignment with my values and my measure of success is how I feel about me and how I turn up. My life is a reflection of my values. And I think that if I stand back and I read that I'm like, yeah that feels good to me. Mmm feels good. So MIA, what was your what was your sentence has? Yeah. So I as Hannah said I connected a sentence to each of my values. So number one for family happiness happiness. I said success means when I walk in the house. I feel connected to my family. I feel an abundance of love and we are all in harmony. So That to me, I feel super successful with in my life things. Just feel good. Like I feel calm I feel content. I think that's what that is that word content. And that's when I can walk into the house and it's we're not fighting. We're not bickering and I understand that happens, but there's just that real connectedness and I think that I've always felt that with my family like and that's that's my big reason. I think that I'm So terrified to have another baby. That's all this is side tangent them literally just taught as speaking what I'm thinking right now, but that's my big fear around having another baby. I get asked that question all the time. We're going to have another one like that. I and I'm always like no no no, and if I really think about it, it's because I'm so scared that my my little, you know, bubble bubble my little tripod With Me Josh. And Rider that something like another baby another responsibility another Financial thing another, you know, stretch of sleepless nights might disrupt what we have that connection that Harmony that feeling of content and I think that that is my biggest reason for not having another baby. It's not because I always thought I'm not maternal like I'm just a one, you know one kid mum blah blah blah, but I reckon you know it when really Like if I got pregnant I know I could do it. I know I would be you know, I could do a great job at it but it's the fear of disrupting that so there's still potential that there is a little mirror. No, no baby me around I gotta live on t v and I do but but it really that's that's what that is. So feeling connected to my family and an abundance of love, you know when I walk In the door and feeling like We're In Harmony, so my next one would is the achievements so as success means I feel like I'm constantly advancing. So I want to feel like I'm constantly advancing within Alpha babes and I really have felt that through the podcast through Retreats that were holding through the clients were helping and and you know, the plans that we have for the future, you know constantly advancing within my life personally as well. That can be you know in so many different things and then the third one is well, so success means I can earn a comfortable living off what I enjoy off my passion and if I can earn money and enjoy, you know, enjoy it at the same time that for me is really successful. So I've been in plenty of jobs again, like I've said where I have I wasn't the greatest money, but you know, I've had a job where it was the worst money, but I I really loved who I worked with really did and it made I stayed in that job for the longest time because I enjoyed I enjoyed who I worked with. So, you know, I forgot my point there. I've no idea what comes back to me as value. Number one and even though it's as family I think really it's about relationship. She's felt connected and citizen like you belonged. Yeah, absolutely. So, yes, so success earning a comfortable living of something. Joy doing at the same time and so again helping people I enjoy helping people. So I think that that's where Alpha babes has been so great. You know, my PT has been so great because I can I can help people and I can earn money for doing it. Yeah. Yeah. So have a go of actually writing down your sentence what success means to you. Once you've got your values there. It makes it a hell of a lot easier so like always Love to know what your definition of success is. There's no right or wrong answer here. It's just going to mean something to you love for you to share it with us, whether that's through private DM or whether that's a comment on one of our latest photos or whether it's a review on our podcast and even just highlighting this episode. Absolutely. Love to know what other people's definition of success has absolutely so until next time until our next podcast day. Sorry Winnie. Under the table and now knocking books over and pens so you can hear some background noise. Anyway, we're signing off but this was fun. I really enjoyed this and I think for everyone that might be a little bit adverse store possibly think that, you know, maybe a little bit close minded or maybe even a little bit intimidated to do this. I really encourage you to do it. I was super helpful for me because really good. It's a great exercise. It's been super good to do this after our conversation. Inflict podcast because it opens up to see that we have different values, but there is a line man across a few of them as well Fisher. So yeah. Alright until next time we will leave you in peace what have crappy sign of it'll be so distracted because like when he's about to come flop areas again. Yeah. Anyway, thanks for tuning in guys. We'll see you on I can't even start off with like, all right, I'm leaving. Bye. by piece

We all have definitions of success and quite frankly if we don't know what our personal definition is we can get lost in chasing other people's version of success. Join us as we discuss what success is and how to create your own definition. We reference The Shannah Kennedy's book "The Life Plan" to help you babes establish what your values are first in order align this with your success statement. Please see below the list of values we reference to throughout the podcast. With that being said, get out out your paper and pen and tune is as we talk all things success. Family Happiness - Quality time, bonding  Self-Respect - Sense of   personal identity, pride Generosity - Helping   others, improving society Competitiveness - Winning,   taking risks Recognition - Acknowledgement,   status Wisdom - Discovering   and understanding knowledge  Friendship - Close   relationships with others Advancement - Promotions Spirituality - Strong   religious and/or spiritual beliefs  Affection - Love,   caring Health - Mental,   physical Loyalty - Devotion,   trustworthiness Cooperation - Working   well with others, teamwork Responsibility - Being   accountable for results Culture - Traditions,   customs, beliefs  Adventure - New   challenges Fame - Public   recognition Inner Harmony -  Being at   peace  Achievement - A sense   of accomplishment Involvement - Belonging,   being involved with others Order - Stability,   conformity, tranquillity  Wealth - Getting rich, making money Economic   Security - Strong   and consistent income streams Creativity - Being   imaginative, innovative  Energy - Vitality,   vim, vigour Pleasure - Fun, laughter,   a leisurely lifestyle Integrity - Honesty,   sincerity, standing up for oneself  Freedom - Independence,   autonomy Power - Control,   authority or influence over others Personal   Development - Use of   personal potential

All traffic in the world to solve that homicide goes through detective with I had Michael Wacha. Because Mike was in the two three rip. Yep. He came from the Bronx and when he got the bureau, we went through the two three rip. He was a bronx. Coppice all Korea. And for some reason I don't know why he that case became his pet. It was on his desk, you know and every once in a while he called the family on his own just the same because let me tell you what that case you want to talk about a cold case and we nice that was ice because and a 13 year old girl that yeah, and and we had instead right in the chest and put right on the other side of the bridge. The Footbridge in the FDI. I can't tell you how many times we went there and stood at the location and the only the only evidence they had on her was one pubic hair. Alright, so we're back man. We are here in the Austin New York the palatial Estates of my partner and won't I will say that I have to say this premise is protected by glock Smith & Wesson and Tommy Kennedy and Ralph Friedman They Patrol here. Together we get caught at so with that finish this day. It's sort of like when I say, that's it apparently so we got our engineer Andrew. The kid Steiner and just staying behind the wheels of the behind the ones that fellow tribesmen to Scotty Wagner here, right? And we got our guest retired New York City detective Scott Wagner and he was a housing cop and he was telling us a little bit about what it was like to be a house in cop did did you you know, so you didn't do many verticals I would imagine. Well, yeah, he said he had four months and then you were out of I was in uniform for 10 months. That was it and You're a house in copy come out of the academy to 10 months and you know flannel we did we did three months straight with an fto. Okay, that's a field training officer. Yeah, and it's funny my fto had eight months on me. Oh, wow. I think he was out of the the the last 80 class, you know, but we're off the same list, but he you know, it was one-on-one. Where are you? Again? You're a BSA 5, which is Spanish all okay let you know there is a rose in Spanish. Oh, there it is right there. It's got the tattoo. Look at how you can we get a shot of that Andrew the rows of Spanish Harlem. Yeah, man. Yeah, there's more songs about Spanish Harlem, right? They call those synthetic Van Morrison do to have that Spanish well until they shot as so did you two you two did one too but special they shot it, you know, they shot the video today. Yeah, there was this guy was on a hundred. No. And they Channel Lobby days in a lot of people that are almost there often and Hood. Definitely really cool. Well, yeah Marc Anthony talk Anthony was from yeah. He was actually friends with I want me to the Metro-North. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I used to see him all the time. But like I said housing your with an fto you worked Around the Clock, you know days midnight for 12 days been nice work for the night shot. I don't know what it was called. It was just cold enough. You never know what you're doing. But you know and that was your partner whether you are a foot post radio car, whatever. That was your partner for three months salad, and he did / periodic evaluations taught you how to write summonses, you know, the you know, he taught you, you know, the radio calls it, you know now in those days we were on the housing frequency and our radios were like bricks. They were y'all. You did it you do a lot of damage. The PPD ones were happy to back. These were housing was my choice. Oh, yeah you if you were good you could you could hit a guy at about 30 feet take them down with the radio. But There Was An Almighty and they wouldn't break up that killed the guy. So on a radio tobacco salad but a guy from narcotics, but these radios, you know, you you can hit a guy in the small of the back. They come right down. Wow, remember that's a beautiful throw it in a bicycle tours that called the Camaro simple physical force or deadly physical was it was He threw a housing radio. That's deadly physical fights. Its energy humor. Right? Anyway, you know what we used to do in the radio cause it cuts like my sector for instance. It was Eddie Frank sector. It literally went from 70th and first because there is one housing building on the corner of 78th Street East 70th. And first I must have could be considered like the Hollywood the housing over there right citizen building you'd only get you'll get nothing but a DOI out of there. And the beauty of it was there was no parking in front of it because it was a senior citizen but I guess for the ambulance or whatever. So, you know, you got at least three summons is on the Midnight's there, you know, so yeah because you had to write your 20, however item Pokemon tractors keep your seat. No quotas and keep his seat DOA for a non police Personnel stands for Dead on Arrival. It's when you're old you even if you don't arrive sometimes you never run with DOA. He's pleased to now try turning off your fucking credit keeping you see just trying to update people on police linked keeping your seat, man. Keep your seat in the car. Right? Yes, I suppose so because some people found, you know would think that because you know, when you come out you want to get out. Let's see if I think that you know, then from there you want to get out of the street different the street you want to you don't want to walk you want to get into a radio car. All right, then when you're in a radio car you want to get the Antichrist sure when you have to cry you want to get into. So you want to make a detective then when you're in the bureau you want to get great. You want to get you go to your thing. You want to get great and you know, it never stops want it's a vicious cycle it is it's brutal, but let's be now. It's been a progressive, you know, you want to keep moving and experience everything that the job has to offer. That's the it's a good way that that the way you put it is pretty good because it keeps you hungry. I know I had the same exact feeling. I just didn't put it anywhere else. It wasn't we had no, you know, I swear. We had no numbers quotas because there were so many numbers to be had that you if you want that any kind of a personal life. He had to turn your head on a lot of things because they were numbers. No one ever had to be flaky. Well, whatever we didn't have to do toy if these two just find some Scotty what you're talking about with some of our audience known standards when you made it a rest back then are you okay that was doing that was powerful is probably at least at least 24 hours and no sleep. Well, Gonna tell you my first collar. Yeah with my fto much to his Chagrin. He he didn't want it but I did it and I got these two guys for an assault and it was a felony count my first collar felony column in those days. There was no pre-arraignment. So you had a ring your own guy, right? So I remember, you know, he had a walk me through the whole system and we large them and you know, do all the paperwork see luckily I came on. Right after dark hard copy or a sheets there were like seven carbons two carbons thick and you elastic almonds is so fat. I have been legible or you know, like the only thing that would work was a big pain you couldn't use any other kind of instrument will make it through exactly. But the the Press hard to take the online bookings came out, you know, when I started think odd because when I was with the hospitals and you know, there's a narcotic investigator they had the old but that being said I make the call we go to Central Booking now we go over the court. And I literally I see this guy getting out on Baxter Street that Baxter Street side. He's got to Shea's Lounge. His wife says he's with his kids. Obviously. He's got two shades in like a little before the Eagles came out of a small cooler and he said that honey. I'll see you in a couple days, but cool should stop dropping them off a court and he's got the Shays and the little cooler and she's a Like when you put that shit down, there was a room with church pews. Yeah. I'm so uncomfortable this. Yeah. Thanks, but God forbid you had to go use the bathroom because someone would jump in your spot. Yeah, I know and it would be huge fights. So that's what people always say like off so you could sleep now with your head against the nail because yes lepton like the worst so we wish we slept in the staircases on the floors up. I remember vividly one day. We're all sitting around on the floors and and some boys comes to our everybody up everybody up everybody up. Yeah Sergeant comes to everybody knows right 10 minutes later. Lieutenant comes through everybody up. Let's go everybody up some guys thought going through the motions, you know guys would come with blankets, you know, but and there's like dust themselves off, you know, whatever. And no one came so everybody went back to sleep. Yeah. Nobody used to get pissed I get when I worked at your offices in the morning, they come in today and it would be like homeless cops all over the all over the place. They get pissed and the deputy. It's now a deputy inspector comes in and he's screaming at the top of his lungs how everybody said it tanks. Okay, you know what it was for the beginning of Law & Order episodes. They want them to shoot and they know when Lauren would have first started they wanted to show the realism. Mmm, so they had forgot the actor who was originally in Law and Order but he was a very popular actor in the 70s. He did actually he did a cop movie The 70s Toto and already told Jerry Orbach. No, not just that was before Jerry Orbach. It was the first yeah and and they were doing the pilot and everything and they wanted to see what he kept look like and and the pre-arraignment no thing, you know, and that's what I had to stand up and we're like you kidding. We thought you know the PCS coming through I used to love it when I was in be mocked. That's where you go for the basic basic management orientation course for sergeant and you'd be in this big Auditorium and all these Academy little weasels, right? That'd be like the chief is in the building. The chief is in the bells. Like I couldn't believe they were like Kissin ass like that. We're like who gives a fuck the Chiefs here. He pulled up in front. You know, I gotta say what he walked in there you wanted to spend to attention, but it was like this is fucking like kids. The chief is here. I gotta tell you side know when my when I went to my son she'll die and I got to finish shield on I got saluted like oh, no, I was on a high. I'm walking through and they're freaking coming to it. I totally see I see you know, and the recruit class was in there and I'm in a suit and shit and someone says a sergeant from homicide is coming in. Right and I walked into the Ruku class and they sprung at attention like fucking Jack. Oh, yeah. She's over that. I laughed so hard I couldn't stop me. Laughing it's for me. I always found out I must have walked up and down the hall three or four times on purpose because this is such a glow is this in the bin the academy with my son after shielding. I must have walked up and down three or four times because it was just so great. I never had a duration like that in my life. Do they get a spring for attention for you? Don't spring for attention, but what they do is they Solutions so no, please I had home. I just walked, you know, I got the most damn I gotta have fun really step on your way to right make way. They say me it weighs was the great Italian. I loved it. I thought I was on the USS, you know with porteous. I was on his naval ship, you know and make way it comes the Admiral. It's a getting back to you know, the the days my partner and I we they put us together. We we were both rookies. He was out of the July 81 class. I'm out of the April 81 class and only to he's of couple years older than me and he he was a Green Beret right in no. And he's from the South Bronx Hispanic did not look Hispanic at all. Great guy great cop. I mean, you know We we just clicked, you know, and we were we had a sector and like I said, I sector went from 70 then first 224th and first over the third and back right? That's one sector and we turned out to be two three in the two five right and we turned out for our peace. Sergeant you know and it's sometimes a conditions cough about you know, every night every day every tour now again, what we would have to do because we run a housing frequency is first order of business was run over to the to wait sign out of portable for the to wait because that's the six division right and then run to the 2/3 and sign out of portable from the two three how crazy is always that's the fourth division because and now imagine you got the housing radios when he's got the fourth division radio one. He's got Six division radio that could cause we have the gist plus we have the AM/FM radio bungee cord to the signal start with the and the antenna to the firewall so we could listen to BLS The Quiet Storm at night, you know, you know, it's funny cause I know I had no idea that you guys had all those radios and even with all those radios housing it allows available housing elevator now explain what you've always the site. I was ordering that all out of order. Triple. Oh that's right in the to tree sector as well. Where is housing? Let them go around with this is the first this was the best now you pull up on a job like simultaneously once again housing had a phone number that the tenants would call like in the old days before the 9-1-1 system. There was some kind of a phone number on the back of the arm piece. Is it on that one? Yeah dial on the back of that and housing. That was a number I if memory serves I think it was eight. 6-5000 and my help someone doesn't have that number now, but anyway to like so you would get jobs that didn't go through the 9-1-1 system. Although to the my handle. You might be getting a heavy job. You know, he's a bad system. It was a horrible horrible scene and we had a belt system where they put the card in the belt of the right through and if there was a heavy chapter guy would stick his head to the whole scream out. But thank God you guys. Wait, you backed up though, huh at the window in our headquarters know it would pull up on a job. Let's say we go up in Wagner house is 2400 second hand right in those days. You could drive all through the projects that we know stanchions or anything and let's say so we're lazy as hell when I parking outside and walking home because also, you know Airborne this coming down. Yeah sure. Everyone means people are throwing stuff off the rooftop actually loaded Pampers amongst other things. So you had a like Walk apart and you had a serpentine, you know, that's a good word. Serpentine one. Explain it to Mark, please you didn't what was the other word surreptitiously. We say Serpentine Serpentine. Yo, you know, so she's all right, you know Serpentine I don't have to explain with you. So anyway, yeah, you pull up on a job. It's pouring rain. So you pull up on a job. Let's say it's a whatever domestic you pull upon a job. 2:5 would pull up. They look at you you look at down and you stand there nose-to-nose and just wait. And you here to five Charlie be advice that was 97 by housing and get on here on the housing portable, you know Central be advised. This is 580 Frank that was pissed I-55 very Frank be advised that was 97, but it to five and then sighs which is why nobody got wet it confuse them right and nobody got wet. But in those days also the other thing is in those days in don't it today they Precinct Of concern is backing up housing and vice versa. No. No, that's one thing. I gotta say in the two three and the to wait the two for two for is in the projects. You know, I got to say I was very fortunate. Even when I did, you know, I worked in the Bronx, you know for two years in the squad when I first think that, you know got into the squad. I worked in PSA 7 squad for two years and then I went into the housing homicide major case Squad which covered Manhattan and the Bronx Acts primarily we worked within the for our in the 4-2 in the Bronx before three in the fourth Sixth and there's so much project there that the squad's we got along. We were all buddies right and plus we had photos. And we had him arranged by project so that they would always come to us change the code scanner. You know how Antiquated that is. Now you have a cop has his own phone died out and picture. I want to make her come up on what I see what my son is carrying around. I'm like what happens if you get wet. It's like you're gonna I'm so sorry good cop never gets hungry. Well, he's a rookie so Pony so he's hungry. He's wet. No, no, but I mean think of the how good that is stuff that phone. Well Gary, plus they have their own radio show ya show you each one of the real tree. Just gotta get a battery. Each one takes they have their own radio people think though if you carry around a picture of someone they think oh it's got to be so easy to pick him out of the straw it's not but you know what? It happened not too long ago. Yeah to Transit card and they were two different they weren't even together and they spotted the guy simultaneously we have them for a couple of murders. He's wanted in a house, but it's not easy though. I'm just saying I have always used to come out used to you know, when I was in war. It's you bring all your folders with you and maybe just driving around. Thank you Santa I would tell my partner the stop. I gotta warn for that guy right there. And then I would just pick up my folders and go through all my folders just tariff. I'm looking at the kid. I find it but it's just something that's in your head. It sticks in your head but cops eyes. That's what should you keep staring at the picture though. If you're driving around the neighborhood and you're looking at the picture and looking around it doesn't work because everybody looks like that guy we had to be something that comes right to you. That's the guy I was a reason why he looks familiar. We had a thing Reading Pennsylvania sent us a package of the two three. I think you were there at the time in me and Tommy my former partner the Tama bottle. He's a supervisor Manhattan DA's office and the sex crimes Bureau. Tommy and I get it we were the homicide team in the two three, we would we had we had our own caseload, but we would also help out whoever had a homicide there and we were allowed to go down the basement on Sundays and dig through the old folders and find out something that maybe had solvability find whatever we cleared couples all these 13 years. We were able to clear people were still around. Well, you know Scotty going back to I remember when I first got there in 97 it was of That big case which turned out to be a serial killer, right? And this was the Advent really maybe even earlier than DNA was being put together and of course it was that faces its infancy. Yeah infancy was Aaron key. We turned out to be a serial rapist and a murderer also and you had one of those cases, right? Yeah, tell us about that sure. I came involved in it. On September 10th 97 and I remember the date because that's the day that my dad passed away. Sorry to hear about stacking 85 and I would traditionally, you know have dinner with my mom on that day, you know and It working eight the floor and I'm four o'clock. I'm out the door because I want to get home. I want to sit with my mom, you know, because it's love our life, you know, so. Unbeknownst to me. There's a fire at 218 East 104 which is right diagonally across from the two or three you could see it from the windows in the squad and it was on the roof and firemen respond to they got up there and they thought it was a rubbish fire. So they laid water on. once the water clear They realized it was a body otherwise had they known it was a body. They wouldn't put four more. Right and it would have preserved a lot of evidence, but they had no idea, you know and I come in the next day and one of the detectives in the two three, I'm not going to name was assigned the case and he wasn't in my team. I was in the DTM. He was in the team that follow the fight was working late the force he was coming in for once. So for those who don't know the text was the chart as a forward to charge. You work too far to Once you turn around you come back to work to wait the fourth and then you're off to so I went to my boss at the time really. Kylie was great great boss, and I said I want this and he looked at me and he said well, you know, this case is I said I want this case. Now Tommy had responded because he was hanging out in the office just catching up on some paperwork was all that's 102 love to work with you. Thank you. I would have brought you over to my little you know, whether the cabinet that little shelf for you the case is going yes lot and I would have said Hey, listen Scott whenever you go in here every day whenever case that trust me, trust me, you can take don't even ask don't even know. No, that's one thing. They never stop. They never stop. You would have for your head. So yeah asking the bus I want the dish. I want to do something that hit me felt personal I wanted so the big thing was to get her ID. No one no, well, you know all we had was charged jewelry. So the detective who had it. I don't want to disparage anybody but too late now to make a little shaky see what little shaky and I made two phone calls, and I had a writing From the jewelry. Well, not only from the jewelry. I but but there was a missing I polled missing starts. Yes, which yeah, that's come on. Just you know, she'll be on the surgeon to know this, you know, you got an unidentified female chard female so you could do a first order of business. You gotta get identify. I mean and he insisted it was a suicide so I said to him listen And I said in front of the boys I said this is not a Vietnamese monk, you know protesting the war. You know what I mean. This is a young hispanic female on a rooftop of the project. How old was she I don't recall I believe in early twenty twenty-three 23 and she was a civilian. How did you get her idea it again? She had pieces of jewelry. Okay, and she had something again going back to the Hebrew thing. She had what was called a Mitzvah coin? Which is kind of it's It's the Irish have some similar to that where it's a coin that's cut Jagged and it's two pieces and you might wear a piece your wife my world. Peace and when they come together forms one, so she had that which is very identifiable and she had some stud pearl earrings. And of course we had dental records. Well if we got that far, but all I did was I called mrs. Parsons I said you got any, you know female Panics when we assumed she was a spy, right right, you know missing, you know between the ages of you know, 14 and 25 fresh. Yeah. First name he gives me Joe Alice Cashville. I said you got the number phone number for the family call the Family. Yeah, I don't protect the Wagner two or three Squad. I understand your daughter's missing you did she wear any type of that I acted like I was just following up on the missing-persons case. I don't want to you know, tell someone on the phone something like this, especially something as horrible as this so I questioned her about what type of jewelry does she wear and right away. The mother said well she has this special A coin that's cut Jagged that her best friend as the other half to so right then. I know you knew you had the ride home. So I go to the boss with this. I said look I got her ID. I mean, of course, she's not ID officially as actually a we have to get the dental records and all that was all that's what basically I did it. But I mean she was to a crisp and there was actually a ghost on the wall. That was there. The fire was so hot. It was it wasn't on actually out on the roof when you came up the staircase in this particular thing. You would come into like like an airway of sorts that or Breezeway. It had doors on either side and that leads to the roof for now. Yeah, you come up to the roof you get out and you be in this little Breezeway and then you'd have to go out of that. It was like a little bunker you have to go out of that to be on the roof. But within this Breeze There were two doors one was access to the elevator room on the top and the other was access to I think there was a water tower something. So that's why they had this Breezeway there, but you could see how ghost burnt into the walls that usually indicate an accelerant. Oh, well, of course, we know it was an accelerant. I mean the Fire Marshals and I'm not a fireman. I'm just not understanding the fire marshal who I worked with this guy pepitone show pepper tones, bro. Can you swim? Yes, and he said no. But he was good. He was very good. It was like having another another detective on the side. He was he was taken back when he had a daughter that age and the boss you get the case after yeah right away right away right away and the guy was like, thank you. He didn't want no part of it, you know, so it's an interesting thing when the homicide gets caught by detective. It's not you know, it's not exactly catching detector, but we had a case that was one of the best Murders ever in the 2/3 and the detective the quoted could have cared less and he didn't do anything on the case. We solved it for him. But well he didn't want the case. So that's why Tommy and I were the homicide team in the tutoring. So so so you got your hands on the case. Yeah what when now now that we get are officially identified, you know, I go meet the parents and you know we go and there's a little bit of a language barrier but you know, I speak enough Spanish. I understand Spanish completely, you know, and of course I do. took a Spanish speaker detective with me anyway, and We got extensive interviews. They gave us access to the whole house. Right? I had all her Diaries and I mean we searched the room, you know completely. She was a legit what we call civilian. She was a Monroe College student. She had a Believer like an 18 month old baby from her baby daddy and her I've been off and on for maybe five years and he even had him in he admitted to us that he laid hands on her and he said yeah, I fed her I've pushed her but I'd say it's the mother of my kid. I wouldn't kill her especially in that way. You know that's got to be and you know, that was another argument we had with the Emmys office. We had one at me. It said she was burnt after she was dead. Okay. So how do you account for the certain alongs now? I'm no doctor. I'm not by me but I had to for taste as a detective one was I must have gone to I don't even remember how many autopsies because being that I lived in Brooklyn and if there was a homicide the night before or the day before and they were posting the body I was coming in. I would start my tour at the Mac, you know, and I'd witnessed the autopsy for what? Detective of scale why you got to go back down? I'm here I could do it and I would ask a lot of questions, you know, they didn't bother me, you know, I had an immunity to it and the smell once you get past the smell but I would get all bound up with the face yet and I go in and I learned about a lot about trajectory about stomach contents that you can do it right how long it takes for food to digest, you know, you develop timelines this way, you know, you see if It's other injury. Good morning, Sal good morning. Everybody lividity how things you could tell if someone was moved or not, you know, there's a million things that little things you could pick up and doctors don't mind get your they like that you that like to teach the natural exactly and they and they talking anyway into a, you know, a microphone. So you're taking notes and they like if you ask questions about specific things, let's just we want to speak to the chase a little bit. So Joe Halas Castro was the first of three murder victims. No, she well as it turns out. She was not the first murder victim was a young girl by the name of Rasheeda washing on the Rasheeda Washington was the third alera. I know you told Name Escapes me right now. I'm sorry Paola particular pay all the she was 13 and she was killed in 91 along the FDR Drive. She was there's like six years earlier. It was now all credit in the world to solve that homicide goes to detective retired. Michael Ako. Because Mike was in the two three rep. Yeah, he came from the Bronx and when he got the bureau we wanted to the 2/3 rip. He was a bronx. Coppice Paul. Kariya. And for some reason I don't know why he that case became his pet. It was on his desk, you know and every once in a while he called the family on his own just to say we're still working because let me tell you what that case you want to talk about a cold case that way ice that was ice because and a 13 year old girl that yeah, and and we had instead right in the chest and put right on the other side of the bridge. The Footbridge in the FDI. I can't tell you how many times we went there and stood at the location. They clear fucking that the gospel would meditate but thinking that the killer would come back with something where would know nowhere where y here where you know what I mean, do you try all these crazy things in your headshot? You know, we were even considering going to a psychic at what you know, no, but this was just but I mean I'd say that was a that was this was a sexual crime and the only the only evidence since they had on her was one pubic hair that they were able to tell was from a male black. They didn't have anything in 91 years later. Did they tell you did they identify that because we can't use yes. Okay, and there's a Funny Story related to that. I had to take him to the morgue to have them pluck his pubes. So obviously when he was in he got word, That they were doing it. So you shaved. Hmm. They wanted to take his from the nape of his neck and his pubic hair. So he shaved so I don't know at what rate pubic hair grows on an individual but we had to get a court order. I could tell you. Okay, take two or three weeks for how long well if you want to start like a length of about a quarter inch. Okay, this is not how do you have to say and you know how to know that it's not a personal thing that a manscape vertically on Saturday shape certain areas. My body is another I'm not proud of it. But I heard that purple for you. We had his white over taint that leads to the tank. I think doesn't it go ahead so you leave the tank. That is so anyway, we are we I had we go to a phone records as well. Like she's from the Bronx. What the hell is she doing in Spanish? All okay and we're back to talking about the second gray O'Leary. No, no the first the Stars grow my case they don't. That is not part of anything. It's okay. Okay, Joe house and our biggest thing is what is this girl? Who's the civilian doing in this neighborhood on a rooftop now, you start theorizing what would bring it to the neighborhood? Okay. I mean as far as anything, like I said, we read her Diaries, we phone books everything. I thought it's so weird cause you feel like, you know someone but you could she's reading their inner thoughts. Not sure but I don't know them in life. You only not even death and she was a beautiful girl a beautiful baby. You know, I'll kid and like I said she was mine broke college student. She was trying to better herself single mom. What had happened was it turns out she had met a young lady. Shopping on form. Rho. And the young lady turned out to be Aaron Keys girlfriends and they got into talking is women do when they shopping so they exchanged numbers and Of course again to find out how she got to the neighborhood we found out that her uncle worked for car service in the Bronx and whenever she wants to go somewhere. She called her uncle. So the car service, of course the one day she calls him to take her someplace. He's on an airport job. So they get another driver who you know, she knows to trust to take her. We interview him. He doesn't remember a thing. He doesn't keep records or nothing. We had to go through. I don't know how many stacks thousands of dispatch sheets to find heard her call that day. Now we got her phone records. So we knew when she called but we gotta have we had to find the driver. Where is this pre cell phone or yeah. Well, this was 97. Yeah cell phones would in the mix but not like now, you know. But again kids can understand when they say what there was. No, yeah phones back then no tin cans and a string but her phone records indicate. She's calling a number, you know, the exchange was in East all you know, and he's stalling exchange. So again, you know, We have to go to the phone company to get you know, subpoena for the you know, subscriber information. All right. Luckily. I have a I had a hook. You know as I had two great hooks that I used to charge guys for I had a hook in the phone company and I had a hook and Welfare and the welfare Hook was the best the welfare of those that thing went back seven generations. Oh and not only that she is another great thing about housing you just as to regress housing had to do double work you have to do a 61 Our complain if you want to take a complaint on you know, whatever a burglary but let's say for argument's sake you had to do is 61 and each Precinct had a block of 61 numbers reserved for housing and housing had their version of a 61 which is called an IRA or a nice ER which was an incident complaint report. So you basically had to do double work because the IR for housing had to have a 61 number on you know, I'm saying so but those Ours were delivered to the management offices every week. So and they were put in the fallers. So when you are looking at a few of the of the tomatillo that's great housing investigative resources - God and if you had a housing assistant that you know, you took care of and they took it. Let me tell you you could find information and Social Security numbers. You name it anything you find because housing departments were handed down, right? Right from Grandma to Mom to daughter and so on and you'd find you know Grandma and you know butt-fucked North Carolina and that's where Sonny Boy was hanging out every day. It was it was a fantastic. That's a great resource. But then again, this is all before computers bait. We had the basic, you know bad some cars Sisterhood, you know, but green screen. Yeah and and DMV what up when I needed anything, you know done on like a LexisNexis. Whatever check rather. I'm sorry, cause you're my head's at I used to call friend of mine at the other news because I had a lot of friends that were reported, you know, Daily News and in various like John Miller and I were buddies. Yeah the right around with me and at that time he was a biggest cock puffing and it still is but he's again, it's one of the hooks that my son doesn't know yet with that being said I had a call because they had access to the internet, right we had no internet access, you know, I remember that you mentioned Schlegel before he was one of the first guys to bring in a laptop. We were amazed we sort of thing and he was doing flight simulator. He thought himself out of fly on a laptop and he actually even at some of the searches you could do on the internet could help you well and well, there was no social media back. They'll put the the police department didn't have the internet act and I'll be right there lap time. Remember guys used to bring in their own laptops and plug them in color. Wire and the whole bit, but well, how about trying to get a picture from another police jurisdiction back then? Why was I tell you one thing? It's like impossible. I tell you one thing. I had Pony Express operation. I had better cooperation in harm working homicides with outside agencies that I did if you were to call up if you were the two three and you call the 19th. Do me a favor. Can you poem you got a case with such and such I get better cooperation if I called Pittsburgh? Like they'd get back to me in a half hour the 19th would never call. I'm just talking about even the technology. We used to have to use our own emails to get a picture sent to us from another police jurisdiction, which isn't a good thing. Who is this see Bowl Express email, you know, that's my personal email, you know. Well right again, this is again, we got the phone records and we got the subscriber information if we had a weight it would have been weeks, you know, if you had to wait for the subpoenas to go through and then you had to go down there to 6th Avenue and it was the whole rigmarole. So we got the phone records and we set the subscriber information and Cynthia Kate sent the exact number of calls back and forth back and forth back and forth. All right. So now we have someone in the neighborhood. She's calling and he lives and what's the it's a this is a development. It's called 1199 plot. Yeah, it's a private development and it's you know on along first day of a new from like a hundred eleventh to I guess so about a hundred eight it goes and it's 1199 because it's the XI an onion and funded it and it's mostly for their workers. All right, they're very nice buildings. Actually, very, you know doorman security so I call up and I get the mother on a phone and I talked to her and I could tell her who I am and I said do you have any sons or daughters or whatever she is. I have a son. How old is he? And this is all over the phone and she says he's about 20 days 23. I said really what's his name? She gives me the name, you know, she's airing Maliki. Okay. I said could you leave a message please? And have him call me? She hasn't asked me what it's in reference to. So three hours later. I get a phone call him. I said listen, could you do you come by the precinct because I don't want to come by the house and you know, you don't want to be seen talking to Cops, whatever I got to ask you a couple of questions about a friend of yours. He goes sure what I'm going to come over. I mean articulate charismatic well-spoken he shows up right on time, but he brings his girlfriend and their baby an infant. And I had the interview room. staged with you know, we are tips posters made very quickly. Everything was done very quickly with the tips posters in their you know, a couple of Polaroids sticking out intentionally, you know from an envelope. That's just to see his reaction when he went in the room. None none. Hmm sits down again answers every question. I asked him. No attitude no screw the police. I ain't got to be nothing of that kind. No vibe. No bad vibe off. Does he have a record? Yeah a robbery. He had one robbery arrest the couple of juvie stuff that was sealed and I recall you had a robbery Kyle that he pled out to and he did like seven eight months. It wasn't a weapon involved just wrong. He went Upstate now. It was time to start the Reich if I take I believe but he had one one Colour. So I say we got a perp he's purpose shouldn't you know, he's he's in the neighborhoods where and he admits he goes. Yeah. I met her on Fordham Road with my girlfriend the girl started talking and they call to get together. They became friendly they called to get together and you know, she was coming here to go shopping because along 3rd Avenue in East Harlem is a big shopping area, you know from life. Like a hundred Street to about a hundred 8th Street a lot of stores letter, you know, and but there's one Gourmet restaurant called McDonald's to yes, you'll be surprised with Stan how scary you know so much gentrification and neighborhood. I hate it but Because I'm up there all the time and you know, except my mother-in-law still lives up there. And you know, I still see people that don't you know, yeah. Yeah, they come up. Hey, how you doing? But and I have no idea who they are. But again, he's freely admitting, you know that she came that day and he says yeah. I saw a run at this point in time. She said she was leaving and we said goodbye and she left. Okay, how do you how did she get to that rule for why he goes? I don't know if I would have known I tell you he goes, you know, I really feel terrible about this what you know what I found out about it. How did you find out about it? Well, so talk at enable, you know base talking about right? So I said, when did you learn that? It was your friend? He said well when you called my house. He says, you know, I put two and two together and I figured that's why they have him become in. It's because of this like I said much of the girlfriend sitting outside with the infant. so now I take his statement. He gives us full statement that he talked to her that he was worried at that whole bit. Freely. Freely never asks for an attorney never asked for a thing free again articulate good-looking kid dress nothing that dress Street dressed casually, but not Street. Very very well spoken for someone his age. I mean he was into computers and things, you know, he was a wannabe DJ all that and so he had he was articulate and charismatic. So now I ask him if he'll sit outside. Let me talk to the girlfriend Sochi hands off the baby in the girlfriend comes over me now. She starts losing it when she sees the Polaroids and stuff. She Losing and she's I mean visibly she shook up. She's shaking. I mean and I got nervous. I thought she was really gonna go out on me, you know, like so got a water come to down. We apologize that she had to see that you know this and that And the reason why she got so sick was cause she had sickle cell. That's just a side note to this this it applies later. I take a statement from huh, it could encourage completely with his I mean like any couple, you know, if you and your wife went out, you know with a friend you would have the same version very much. Okay, so we got him, you know, he's the phone records. That's the thing that gets into the neighborhood. Now what happens we don't know. And that's sweet canvas canvas canvas canvas. They were tired of seeing us over there every time we went out on a case. If we weren't here, then we go over there. I mean it was they would tie to see us. And so this is this is 1997 year. Now. What year is the murder of Rasheeda, Washington? Also, your house was September 97. I believe Rasheeda had to be the spring of 98 98 and in between that we had a number of rapes now his wrist. This is another thing. I would had a habit of taking Polaroids of everybody. This was taught to me by an old time everybody. I ever interviewed on a case. Take a Polaroid of them. Because if someone has to come behind you to look at you know, find somebody you got a picture. All right. Okay, and I had Polaroid's of chi and chi in the Polaroid was wearing a sweatshirt that said FUBU the the make fobel across the front. Well again, we had rapes going on that. We didn't know what Titan because they were going from the they were not only in the two three, but they were in the to 5. So, this is 98 99 2000 is this is going yeah. It's continued. We had a bunch of grapes, you know here and there and description was always, you know, male black that the victims always were female Hispanics are light-skinned black females. Same age. Same type of belt. They fit a pattern we started Icinga pattern actually at the time Resnick was the one who decided to put a task force together. Now when Rasheeda's found I'm called in that morning. I'm supposed to afford. I was just I want you to talk about a little bit because this is important how Rasheeda was found. Okay, cuz it's it's indicative at least what I know. I study homicide a lot besides I taught college for years and she was displayed in a very sexually provocative position what you usually crime scene was staged right, but which usually indicates the sex offender but that being said she was in public View and she was covered by a sweater which indicates remorse usually for what was done. And again, they called me in on it. I come in. She's found in the staircase at like 6:00 in the morning by someone. The elevator was Triple all icky section below and there's someone was walking down the steps and they found around like the sixth floor land. It was also something also that was unusual. She had Square Mark, right? She had like a cross hatching on her back right now mind you she was not found face down. She was found face up, right but the cross-hatching From lividity who was so productive it. Yeah, you look like a, you know, an actual graph paper type of thing and we're trying to figure out what could make this now we knew from the outset. It was a strangulation killing the ammeter came to the scene you get shit petechial hemorrhaging, you know, you could see it was a Strange Relation Tico hemorrhaging is the the white of the eyes the conjunctiva it ruptures and I'm leaving. Yeah becomes pink so it Let's put a particular object and also you could start to see like handprints forming as the as the lividity cruising on cruising around her neck that yeah, so we're trying to figure out what is this cross-hatching now and a lot of the old in the housing apartments. There were like these dryers for clothes that you pulled up over the tub and you let them down they were made of wood and you hang the clothes on them and you pull it up. Again, you know to the edge, right? Yeah. So we we were we had to find an apartment that had one and then we had to try to see if it would measure out show didn't somewhere like where the hell did this come from cause she had to be pushed down with quite Force onto this. So again, we're trying to figure out whatever. What was this was this was a probably a post-mortem pattern, right? Because it lividity had said and you said it was slightly became of Promise. Yeah, like she wasn't alive when know it was alive. She was alive when that pattern was put on you sure. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah that that's that's what we believe. Okay. Well again, we're we're trying to Great, what could cause is what could cause what caused it and I forgot who I wish I could give him the credit that they deserve but someone came out and said it looks like the pattern on a shopping cart. Sure as shit, someone wants to the you know, the thoughts of immobilizer shopping cart. We bring it up and the back of the shopping cart. It's perfect are almost perfect. Alright, so now we know what that came from. Alright. So again, Which is the only suspect we have and we have a composite now because this is what he was doing the girls that he didn't know. He wasn't killing. He was just raping him the girls. He knew it turned out. He was murdering. Of course, we didn't know it at the time right but we had really good composite sketch and it one rape. He also say things to the victims about how good-looking he was your honor. You should be honored that a guy like me it's doing this to you as opposed to some ugly junkie or whatever, you know so so far and He again, he's our only viable suspect the composite comes out. And at one scene and one rape scene is found what a FUBU hooded sweatshirt, right and a baseball cap is left at the scene. The composite sketch. I see the composite which was done between three or four rape victims and the department honest and I take the Polaroid and I'm like, oh my God, it was like the sketch was done from the Polaroid. Wow, and I got him wearing a full boil. So I call Rising right away and I said Chief what uses this was right after if the Rasheeda so 98 this is yes. It's got to be 98 going into the summer. So I call you know, meanwhile there's a partial laundry tag in the remember this well, actually they're running around trying to find a laundromat. Actually the one that was a funny story too because my key lock. Oh, I love by kulick over as Says look we get this tag from a dry cleaner and muck Eli calls. I get the fuck out of here. You never gonna fucking find that funny and sure enough all you know found it. Right Tommy McKay Tommy McKay happy find the the dry cleaner that's old-school detective work that little tag was and it wasn't a complete take it was a partial of the tent. And now you tell the rest of the story and old-time police work. Just go to Every dry cleaner. You can find in Spanish all And sure enough Tommy McKay Bowl time 40-year guy salted here to worked with him had the blessing of working with her, you know, no homicide Squad taught me a lot just his nature alone. He had principles Beyond far beyond those of mortal men unbelievable and he found he found a laundromat and guess who's the client Cynthia key the mother of the mother of a monkey. I talked to at the very beginning of the case. So I got him a pic. I got him in a picture wearing that right. So now the hunt goes on Okay, so We know where he lives. I have a CI in that building very good CI turns out in digging deeper into his background and this is my key lock of doing it because Michael Wacha was assigned to do compute certain computer to everyone had an assignment and being that he didn't catch anyone in the cases. He sees he finds I don't know how he even came across it but that he used the name Warford his last name Aaron Warford and that Goes off in his mind because in the Paola case that's been sitting on his desk for five six years. There's an interview with an errand with it. Well who's one of the last eyewitnesses to see that girl alive? You know, can I stop you for one second? I just remember something and you correct me. If I'm wrong. Aaron key was under arrest at one point you get on the cell and the two three he was in the cell when Rasheeda was killed. They were started talking about the case when were sheet when we found her. She did that morning. And when we come back to the squad, I just want to make this cell because another detective in the squad. Court finals of some kind of petty larceny or grandmas sake of computer parts like I told you was he fashioned himself a computer expert but I just wanted my: someone made us 61 that he has stolen he had supposedly supposed to fix a Computing of a return date is one of those kind of things so she sees e-collar she went and got him and he's in the cell but I put the point in mind you they was talking about 6:00 in the morning to detectors were talking about the case, but one of them is the Killer. He's in the cell. That's I'm just giving a lesson where you never talk about anything in front of a perk. You never know. But you never know right this is the perp because now I can walk now he's here in all the information they have or what they don't have now mind you and the talk the time at the time he wasn't a suspect that there was she you know, when we came back to the squad. I mean my God this we were out on the field since she was found around six by the time I got there. I like rolled out of bed and shot there and time I got there. It was maybe 750 teen we were out at the scene processing and canvassing. I don't know we didn't get back till like 1:30 in the afternoon, you know, so, you know whole ton of Us come back in and everybody shooting the shit about, you know the case and which is the real murderer and you're and meanwhile, you know, lo and behold look was there, you know, but you don't he said he calls out to me. Hey, what are you doing and mind you she calling him somewhere around the letter? I I don't exactly remember me. It's hard to remember. What time she column is? It was it was in the morning about 11:00 11:30, and he was a keeper because you know, it was a grand Lawson. Well, he was he was going through the system. So, you know, he's in the South he calls out to me and I said what are you doing here? What happened? And he tells me she locked me up for this. Nice. I'm sorry to hear that Unison and I said have you heard anything else about your friend? He goes I tell you if I did, you know, I call you I stand he goes in his wallet and sure enough. He's got my card in his wallet and you know, so he's there but again, he was nowhere near or suspect point. But when again later on as things develop and we got two calls recovered and there was here in the in the Hat and there was fibers on the sweatshirt. Okay. I remember they had that sweatshirt on a mannequin, you know in resnick's office. Long time and what you can also just see how today DNA saves long? Yeah. Well it took he would been identified years earlier had you know DNA technology on that one pubic hair. Yeah. Well what happens is now it took three months approximately three months to get that. To get him named as you know, the one who owned the sweatshirt, right it took that long because that's how the tables and even noticed. It was like so old up and you know, it was a miracle. It was like almost like her sending a message. Yeah, look here look here. Look here and McCabe found out and boom soon as he found that we hit the street like an army and we you know, we went out and we went to hunt them down. I and Rob Moni hit his apartment. We actually had terrible set up a camera outside his apartment phony smoke detector. He was hip to it. He ripped it down. It was member. He's the only suspect at this point. He's not idea in anything. It's not ideal in anything. He's just a suspect. So we're watch them 24/7 and they're trying to collect DNA if you flick the cigarette, but if he spits, you know, we're trying to do something. And you know finally other Detectives. They bring them in they feel and they well they don't like getting ahead of myself. Surreptitious Lee's he he ends up disappearing. He's supposed to meet me and Rob Mone 110th Street. He calls us and we're a communication with but again, this is pre when you could track her cell phone all are in communication with him and he says I'll meet you is on a hundred and tenth. I trust you guys. You're not going to shoot me and I'm like that and it's not and Rob is telling him listen. Don't have your hands in your pockets, you know, just we're going to do this by the book. And of course he doesn't show and he ends up fleeing with another girl who's like 16 17 years old from Brownsville. I don't know how he hooked up with her and we last see him we last track of to the Port Authority on a bus to Florida. So they're trying to you know, catch up to the bus sure and they can't now at this point while this is happening. Tommy and I are in Reading Pennsylvania on an unrelated case we grab the I in Manhattan that reading was looking for. Who we happen to know? You had brought up before about when you're looking for a guy. Everybody looks like him. Hmm. Well, we went out on it. We handed out a few cards one night. I'll beep is go up being a deepest at the same time. We call back. Yeah, he's on a ten-speed wearing a white wife beater. So we go out. Everybody on a ten-speed is wearing a white wife, you know, but then he spies us he sees us and it's like then Tanana. It's like taking it upon the Wizard of Oz was she On the bike that's what it was like and I'm hanging out the car door trying to knock him off the bike. I mean cars are coming from three precincts stuffs flying off the building's it's like a Friday night in August, you know. Anyway, we call it a guy we bring them in there was a shot fired. I don't know why a cop ended up getting three quarters for heart attack that night, but we brought him in but out of scratch without even having cuffed he was sitting in the interview room didn't even have until you know what he was like, I'm so cool. And you know, they had a warrant form so they couldn't talk to him but we could because we were talking to the Joint in the neighborhood, but he confessed to two murders and that's what I used to us so much to the Chagrin of Lieutenant Kyle and you have to go to really get the four trips. So we were a lot of money on that because it's me. Yes we did and he's doing to Life's consecutive life terms. But again, Pennsylvania some bad experiences with detectives from the tooth. Detective Pat went there and got a confession member know we know we got one question here. What happened to Aaron Keys? Okay. So what I'm telling you is happening, Tommy and I are coming back from reading and we're driving back and we get right by Newark Airport. We turn 1010 wins on. Siege in Florida serial killer from New York is holed up in a hotel in Miami. We know what it is. I called the two three right away. I said Tommy and I are right by Newark. Let us get on a plane right now go down there. We'll be there in three hours. No, what do you mean? No, he'll talk to me. No. Again, I knew he would talk to me. Okay, I had a rapport with him. No one else did I was the only one who interview and he's caught that the rights at this point, you know, he's a wanted fugitive. He's caught that but his DNA is pause. We got it. We got it. Yes at this point. He's he's you know, he's id'd by his DNA. Yeah. That's why we would join us in Florida right now and he's locked in that hotel room, right? He's hiding out because of a warrant that was put out now on we had no warrant. We had no What it what is two detectives from New York going after him that Swiss hold up and Monie and Darryl. Hey Sarah from the homicide Squad and Again, I should have been going down there and I I sit I got to go down the hill talk to me they refused and to this day. I'm pissed off. But that's that's politics. What are you gonna do Moni and Darrell they spot him what happens happens that you know, the SWAT team in Miami gets them, you know, thank God, the girl was not hurt. She would have been the fourth victim and he makes spontaneous utterances. Whatever. It's a Time Daryl. Let's um talk to you know, the girlfriend say goodbye, and he basically makes some admissions. But never a state never a full statement. So, you know, he's brought back to New York and you know, he waived extradition. He was brought back and at this point in time the girlfriend. Oh I had goes to Virginia to live with her mother with the baby. I want to go re-interview the girlfriend because I know for a fact again. We had this big log in with the Amy's office. Was she alive or dead when she was set on fire? Well, we had the Emmy make the determination. She was alive she was burnt alive. So he had there were no screams heard there was nothing so he had to do something to quiet her. Whether he was aided by someone else, which I always felt he was a little side note to that. We talked about getting messages before and getting him right? I was on my swing I get a tweet because it became a cold case. So a year to the day we redid the, you know, a friend of mine a Daily News ran the whole thing again, uh-huh put the squad's number and tips phone call on my swing comes to the squad for me. Someone from the rip picks it up and says Wagner's not here. He says well listen, I got information about that girl that was burnt on the roof. There was a guy and a girl at did it. He goes, all right wagon will be in Monday that for calling back and this detective was not a dumb detective. He was a sharp detective but he must have been preoccupied. So my God, what we ended up having to I mean, we got logs and tolls from the precinct because we didn't know if it came directly to the squad if it came to the TS but it was transferred up. We don't know, you know what I mean, but never got another call again, but wait this course. It was a girl a guy and a girl involved. But so I want to go talk to the girlfriend again. She's in Virginia. They won't let me go. I don't know why. Okay, I go to resident boss. I spoke to her before. Let me go send any when you are with me, but let me go talk to her. No, so he sends other Detectives. Oh they come back. Without any confession, but she says to them. And it's on a Versailles. I would have told Wagner what happened that day he had me and you know in the interview room. But Ace, who's that was his nickname Ace had the baby. And I was afraid he would hurt my baby. I was I would have told so I'm saying to myself. If I could have gotten her to tell me but she didn't ever would have died. Well and for girls never would have gotten raped it's heavy to carry with you but that's you know police work is not an exact science. What's great about today is that you took a step by step to this case and I would build it up and there's so many there's so many moving pieces to it all things like this is so the best the best was again when we took him back to the Emmys office, you know, when you know, you got the court order Christian. Became Muslim so he'll eat kosher and you have to go to court on Friday. Not all bit so they got them cut. Whoever brought him from Rikers. Let him come in front cuffed. Mmm, Karen a Korean so they pluck them. And we got to take him back to Lodge them now with me and Rob taking him back. I forgot it went to pick them up. So I said put your hands behind your back. He goes, I don't do that. Excuse me. I say put your hands behind your back because I don't do that. I said listen pal Bellevue is right across the street. I'm going to tell you right now either you put you on the hands behind your back will be in Bellevue with two broken arms. I mean, who do you think you are telling me which helps? You know, well, how am I supposed to carry my Quran? What quran' You get drunk, you know the Korean I don't know where what all I know is. He was we are cuffed and as I click the custom gather I whispered in his ear. This is a jailhouse and I clicked and he turned his head so fast and looked at me in the eye and he was gonna say something. And then he sucked it back in and I remember in the car telling him one day. I'm going to come up state to visit you and you're going to tell me the real story about what happened PS. He gets six hundred years. The trial was a whole sham because even if presented themselves, yeah, the 18b lawyers, you know, because it was technically a death penalty case. They had you know that not the regular legal aid the real lawyers. And you know, they let him pull his T-shirt out with all kinds of stupid theories and notes. It was it was a lunacy. But of course they had entertain it, you know, but at sentencing he got, you know, they allowed all the plants is taken by the way that that one pubic hair got hit to him mitochondrial DNA from 1990-91. And that's why we could charge him with all three homicides well because of his DNA was on all three victims. Items using I think seven rape victims to a Jehovah's Witnesses, but we got them to pick him out of a photo array. So we were able to close those with fruition today and there's still two homicides that I'm a hundred percent sure. He did ones in the South Bronx and for oh, his mother had moved to the South Bronx. She was same height weight and build. She's from East Harlem. She was visiting Man in South Bronx. She was suffocated, you know joke wrapped in duct tape. We recovered duct tape on the search warrant, of course film upon his arrest we search these premises we got, you know recover the duct tape. Remember Rob Mone hand-delivered the duct tape. He had to go by an Amtrak to DC to the FBI is a ducted guy, you know, you know, he's got the pocket protector and pens. He does duct tape. He said I can't testify to this in court but it's the same doctor. Well, well, we don't have technology this case want just one thing and it's one in Virginia, but they don't care because Virginia and she's a woman of color. And so there's this new more. He already got six hundred years. Yeah, what's thrown another couple right except closure for the families, right? Absolutely. She's very important. Yeah. Ultimo's fun. Yep. Well Scott, I want to thank you for coming by Man story was fascinating. I'm happy that we had a chance to chat on the first half and you cut up a little bit because it's this whole second half. I mean even though it's an amazing case. It's kind of put me in a bad way. It's really did. I'm sorry. No. No, I'm just saying it's like great great detective work, but it's just unfortunate, but I want to also say your job. It wasn't just me. No, I know the whole to everybody everybody passports as a team everybody involved in it, you know just disgrace to me. This is featured on a TV show clueless shopping cart to Levy show on what was that that was still godís Curtis production and that's called the shopping cart kill. Then there's another one that Linda fierstein who was the former head of sex crime right had a TV show called Murder By the book. Okay. So it's also featured in one of her episodes in Murder By the book. So from Google it you could find the any parting words though. Look every week. We have a fascinating guest and he didn't disappoint, you know, there's this was fun and it was his motive and for our audience to you, see how emotionally charged this gets for the detectives and the that are involved at they put their whole life and that's the heart and soul in it, you know. Yeah rubbing off on me. So, you know, I applaud the nypd's finest, you know, Scott. Thanks for coming in man. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Love to have him back. Love to see you. Like I tell all our Last September 21st, we're going to probably do something over at Pleasantville a nuisance Lucy Lucy's in Pleasantville. And what its gonna be is we're going to tell some jokes. But before that we're going to have a live podcast or inviting all our past guests on everybody's gonna get a chance in the hot seat. We're going to catch up with everybody and that'll be the end of our first season and then we'll start another season, but I was great. Thanks for coming by and on behalf of police off the cuff man. This was a great episode and thanks for tuning in. over and out

Scott F. Wagner has more than 39 years experience as a professional investigator, and hostage negotiator, solving criminal cases of murder and narcotics trafficking to civil cases of insurance fraud and property theft. In his 23 years with the New York City Police Department, Scott advanced from a housing project beat cop to detective, earning a promotion into the elite Manhattan North Homicide Squad, as well as the Hostage Negotiation Team. Scott was a first responder to the 1993 WTC bombing, as well as to 9/11. Scott has earned numerous awards and commendations during his law enforcement career. He is regarded as an expert in Hostage Negotiations and at cracking “cold cases”, where the passage of time lessens the chance for justice. In his career, Scott has solved 95% of all his cases while maintaining a 100% conviction rate, - a clearance rate among the highest in the NYPD. He’s also a skilled hostage negotiator, adept at handling emergencies of all types. While a member of the NYPD’s dignitary protection unit and later as a private eye, Scott has guarded and planned security for VIPs ranging from heads of state to “Hip Hop” celebrities. Scott has headed up security operations for one of the largest philanthropic organizations in the City of New York-with assets over $4.5 billion dollars. He’s been featured in documentaries, (Most recently Lifetime channel’s “Faith Under Fire), books and numerous newspaper and magazine articles, TV shows “The Shopping Cart Killer” & Murder by the book with Linda Fairstein, for his work helping to catch a serial killer & rapist who preyed on young girls in East Harlem. Scott has also been sought out and interviewed for several internet magazines in regards to his expertise as a hostage negotiator. Scott has worked as a law enforcement technical advisor on three television shows as well as two novels.

This is optimal living daily episode 1363 the ruse by Casey main of Casey Main.com and I'm just a moloch. Happy Wednesday. Hope you're having a great week and welcome back to Optimal living daily or the O LD podcast where I read to you from some of the best blogs I can find and get permission from I'm supposed to be in Washington DC this week. If you're in the area and want to meet get in touch at old podcast.com or on Instagram at Old podcast and thank you to gust. Oh if You have a business or you know, someone who does you probably know that small business owners, like myself wear a lot of hats and some of those hats are totally great. But some like filing taxes and running payroll for example are not so great. That's where it Gusto comes in custo makes payroll taxes and H are actually easy for small businesses fast simple payroll processing benefits and expert HR Support all in one place Augusto automatically pays and five. Your federal state and local taxes so that you don't have to worry about it. Plus they make it easy to add on health benefits and even 401ks for your team those old-school clunky payroll providers just weren't built for the way modern small businesses work. But Gusto is I use it. I have been for years Now's the Time to get started. So don't wait listeners get three months free when they run their first payroll try a demo and see for yourself at Gusto.com old. That's G. EU sto.com / o LD for now. Let's get right to it and start optimizing your life. the ruse by Casey main of Casey Main.com I recently heard poet author teacher and certified dream therapist Roger commended say in an interview that our dreams are just the script a ruse to invoke feelings. He explained it isn't what happens in the dream that matters but instead the feeling Surface by the dream that provides the real insight into our lives. This piqued my interest. I've always been curious about and entertained by my dreams and I've had many moments looking up interpretations the morning after a random or particularly. Intense one, but I've never done any real Research into them. I've never investigated with the dream researchers therapists and psychologists say about what our subconscious is up to while we're sleeping. So I turned to Google but this time I avoided The Lure of the many Dream Dictionary websites and looked for the real research. I quickly came across the dream studies portal and education blog started by dream researcher Ryan heard unsure of how much true science exists in dreaming. Analysis and always the skeptic I checked out Ryan's resume and found it was full of academic presentations contributions to books and peer-reviewed Publications and teaching experience apparently more people study dreams than I realized Ryan sight seemed legitimate. So I decided it was a good place to start first. I read an article about renowned psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Carl Jung and his theories on dreams. Essentially. He believed that we are all In conflict with ourselves. Taught that one of the ways we work to resolve that inner conflict is by using dreams to integrate our conscious with our subconscious Jung called this process individuation according to the dream studies portal individuation is best described as the mines quest for wholeness. This makes sense with Rogers ruse comment. If it's all about feelings perhaps our dreams are doing the work of confronting the feelings. We consciously avoid in our minds quest to resolve any and all Inner conflict it uses dreams to show us the feelings we refuse to face when we are awake. We may not be ready to confront them in real life source of conscious packages that meant to a movie to watch while we sleep as a reminder that those feelings exist. The problem is when thinking about our dreams so often we get caught up in the movie script, who was there what was happening? And what does it all mean? But maybe we are missing the point according to Jung dreams don't predict the future replay the past or Symbolize something happening in our present. Like somebody dream books would have us believe rather. They are showing us are deep-rooted thoughts and feelings. It isn't what happens in the dream that matters. The point is how we feel about what happens the next article introduced me to Calvin Hall a behavioral psychologist who focused on the cognitive dimensions of dreaming in his book the meaning of dreams Hall wrote quote the images of a dream are the concrete embodiments of the dreamers thoughts. These images give visual. All expression to that which is visible namely conceptions and quote. He then went on to outline five important Concepts that dreams provide insight to concept of self concept of others concept of the world concept of impulses and desires and concept of problems and conflicts. It's an interesting way to look at our dreams. We tend to focus on who the characters are and what they say or do or the circumstances we find ourselves in and how we react but maybe the who what Where and when aren't what they appear to be according to haul their reflection of us and our understanding of life. So a dream about our mother isn't necessarily about our mother at all instead. It could be showing us our thoughts on Authority or feelings on opposing views or even a perception we have of ourselves. It's so easy to look at the surface level of the dream and assign meaning to it, but perhaps to value and dream interpretation is always bringing it back to what it reveals about us looking. Inward instead of outward. I love this concept because it makes dreams that much more interesting. It provides an entire new level in which to view them a deeper level one that holds more significance and meaning for our lives. Then I started thinking what if the same is true for Life, maybe the script the daily who what when and where isn't what really matters instead maybe it to is just a ruse to reveal our inner workings our perceptions thoughts feelings. Joys and struggles perhaps like dreams. The purpose of daily life is to resolve our inner conflicts. Maybe all of it is insight into the state of our psyche showing us which parts may need repair all of it serves an important purpose of helping us become whole in that case. It doesn't matter if we get cut off in traffic denied a promotion or have are heartbroken what truly matters in life is how we see it how we feel about it and how that plays into our concept of self we Are always either healing or deepening the hurt if we view life this way significance begins to shift and what we allow to Define us takes on a new shape all of a sudden. It doesn't matter what job we hold what car we drive or the house we live in there's no meaning in our education level relationship status or retirement fund. These are all just part of the script ruses used to surface our feelings the significance lies in the feelings and how they shape our view of the world. Are we humble grateful and optimistic or are we selfish power-hungry and negative? Perhaps what life is really trying to show us through all the plot twists and turns is how to heal ourselves every moment of pain discomfort hatred judgment jealousy and anger is uncovering a wound that needs work dreams may be where our subconscious handles the healing process but life is where we take the stage. You just listen to The Post titled the ruse by Casey main of Casey main.com. I thought that was a super interesting one didn't go where I expected it to. Hope you enjoyed that one to thank you again. Augusto Gusto offers modern easy payroll benefits and HR to small businesses across the country. They were even named best online payroll by PC mag. Get three months free. When you run your first payroll at Gusto.com hold this gu sto.com 0ld. All right, I'll leave it at that. Hope you're having a great day. Thank you for being here and listening to me and for subscribing to the show. I'll be back tomorrow reading to you. So I'll see you there where your optimal life awaits.

Kacie Main shares her thoughts on the healing process. Episode 1363: The Ruse by Kacie Main on How To Heal Ourselves & The Healing Process Kacie Main's affinity for writing started as a child, writing arguably overly emotional letters to family, friends, and boyfriends, and even an anonymous poem to a widowed neighbor. The first paper she wrote in college was nominated for a first-year writing award yet she still didn't think to pursue writing as a career. She spent years successfully wandering through jobs but always trying to figure out "what I want to be when I grow up." As her career path zigged and zagged, writing was always there, lurking in the background patiently waiting it's turn. Then at 32 years old, the patience ran out. She didn't sit down to write her book, it jumped out of her at perhaps the worst, best, most confusing, and most liberating time of her life. Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts! Gusto is making payroll, benefits, and HR easy for small businesses. Get 3 months free once you run your first payroll with our link: Gusto.com/OLD --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/optimal-living-daily/support

You're listening to fit processions were parallel coaching episode number 2 high onion Bergman and I'm Haley and in today's podcast. We're talking about the origin story of parallel coaching. Who are we and going right back to Our Roots? So stay tuned. Hi, I'm Neil Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified learned Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence. We were first to say that learning and being a fit probe doesn't have to be hard work and that with the right structure support and resources. You can become a confident and knowledgeable Fitness professional that is dedicated to more. So how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Road? This is the fit processions podcast with parallel coaching. So we're recording this in late October 2019 and the other day Haley and I went to the cinema to see the new Joker movie and I'm a massive fan of DC Comics and Marvel Comics and what I particularly liked about the Joker movie with is it working Phoenix Haley. Is that the actor? Yeah. Okay is they did the origin story of the Joker? Okay, so I'm not sure if you're a big fan of the Batman films and Marvel Comics and whatnot. But over the last couple of years what DC Comics and Marvel Comics have been doing is producing films and giving the origin story away about the characters that you're seeing in the main film. So, you know, if I go back to my childhood out of watched Batman Batman Forever Batman Returns and whatnot and Joker would have appeared and I always thought you know, how did Joker To be the Joker. What was it that what was it in his life the environment the situation that caused him to become the villain and you know what they've done very well in the latest film is they've gone back to the origin story and told us the the the roots for deep dark secrets of who Joker was and how we got to be there and that's exactly what today's podcast is about for us is you know, we origin story of menial Bergman viola. Ian story of Haley Haley Bergman and the origin story of parallel coaching. Why did we start our own training provider to go and impact, you know today thousands of people and literally hundreds of thousands of people online over the last seven years. So the origin story anything to add on to that Haley not that was a fantastic intro to An Origin story and actually the best place for me to ask it to start. This is if you would explain Go origin story nail. So for Fitness, what is it that you made you start in Fitness? How did you start in Fitness? And what's that Journey been like to get to now? Okay, so I'm going to go back before Fitness. I'm going to go back to a point where I was just leaving school. And at this point I was completely addicted to kayaking and canoeing and I got into coaching within those two disciplines as well. And ended up coaching flat water and whitewater kayaking pretty much all over the UK, which was for driving factor for me to go to university of digital where me and Haley Mets early 2000s. Okay, and I studied adventure education. So rather than focus on a PE teachers degree, which was you know, bias towards teaching hockey football rugby tennis always traditional Sports. Which I wasn't very good at to be on this then, you know, I probably aren't any good now as well. My hand-eye coordination wasn't all that great. I focused on education and focused on kayaking canoeing surfing climbing for more adventurous Sports than the four years at Uni took me all over the world to explore what it was like to be an educator in different environments and that's really where my passion for training. She started and you know, I grew up we grew up. We both graduated 2006 2007 and the natural route out for me out of University was I suppose going into the services and at this point I didn't want to go into the services. I've been with Haley about a year and a half two years at this point and I although I was Paul towards that way. I was pulled to to not pursue that that route and so I signed up to become a personal trainer have a time. I was working in a local College as a lecturer as well and they kind of gave me that early wildcard to jump into fitness and that's kind of how I got into fitness. So I keep going Haley. Yeah, please do so awesome. It's lovely here in again. Even though I know it's crazy. It is crazy and I was already into the gym myself, but I never really thought about combining it never it never occurred to me, but I could combine my own passion with education and different environments and kind of encapsulate everything I've done today and and enter this path what we're in now little did I know back in, you know leaving school at the age of 18 and going through University little did I know but that was the early ripple effect, but would lead us to 2012 and and and bring it all together with in parallel. Who knew so between the mid-2000s? And yeah, I just got qualified a you know me and how do we get to travel up to London? We were living in Plymouth at the time. We still live in Plymouth now actually we had to travel up to London. We qualified as personal trainers and I got my first job. I left my lecture in job and I got my first job in a health club not too far from where we are now Private health club, and that was kind of my apprenticeship. My bread and butter skills. I suppose of practicing with clients doing countless numbers of Jim inductions with all different types of people different shapes different sizes different backgrounds different religions and really started to home in row skills. I suppose of how do I communicate a message to inspire to infuse somebody to empower somebody to make a change whether that be in their body physically and mentally Traditional in their mindset and hopefully impact them to some degree and then just trying to think timelines now, it would have been 2008 2009 ish. We move back up towards Milton Keynes, which was where our Milton Keynes Academy is based today, and we got closer to London. There was this feel that we needed to be closer to bigger cities in order to really Thrive as personal trainers. So I worked in A gym a private gym Energy Fitness of a time for just outside Leighton Buzzard on the main line into London and worked with literally dozens and dozens of clients each week one to one small group and eventually took that Outdoors into local parks and work with people mainly around kettlebells and utilize small portable bits of equipment and again, just home dim my one-to-one skills. Group circuit based skills to work with clients and then and it was just amazing rose rose couple of years would they just flew past? But again, I like I don't know how many hours I worked with clients. I certainly got my 10,000 hours. I'm going to say of being on immature trenches and practicing things getting things right and getting things wrong right engine programs and really experimenting with and becoming the fitness professional. I wanted to be and then I got a wild card from a Fitness training provider 2009 2010 time ish to go into the this training provider and be the head of student support. So I was starting to bring together my love for training my knowledge for training but also now bringing in my education side of things that I'd done. Uni and I know lecture in as well. So I'm working for a training provider now in a student support role working with hundreds of Learners each week each month on their level 2 level 3 PT courses specialist courses CPD courses from a student support perspective and within time I got promoted through to program manager ended up being lead tutor lead assessor got more qualifications myself within Fitness and specifically being able to teach and assess within Fitness and ended up being the general manager for this training provider. Now one thing that really got me at this time. Although I loved what I was doing. I knew that I couldn't be me. I couldn't do it. I couldn't help more people how I wanted to help people. I was I suppose somewhat held back by the nature of the company. I was working for and to a degree. The industry. So the biggest decision I made in 2011 early 2012. I suppose no 2011 was to jump ship. And you know, I'm working in central London. I can remember or fitrat feeling of I've got a secure paycheck every month. We were just applying for a mortgage ourselves and there comes near walking back home and saying to Haley. I think I'm going to resign it was a yeah, it's scary. You know, I let you know you can add on to that in a minute. It was a scary time, but I knew deep down I was I was I needed to do something different. I wanted to do the same thing but better and so I resigned very quickly. I'm one of those types of people that one I have a vision. I just go straight after it. I kind of I don't think about the house in in the moment. I have a I have a calling have a vision. I just crack on and deal with the house and deal with the aftermath in the moment. And I have this deep down belief that it will always work out something my my nana always used to say to me says he's used to say Neil. It doesn't matter. It will always work out and so from a young age. I knew that it would always work out even though at the time I didn't know how and so I jumped ship. I'm now self-employed and I ended up working for Nine providers of which if you're listening to this number of them are still going they were you know the top providers in my day. Maybe they are now. I'm not sure enough said on that one, but there I would end up all over the country. I'm based in Milton Keynes. I would end up in Manchester Birmingham Cardiff Southampton York London Norwich you name it? I was I was being sent all over the place in a But made least in and out of Dubai and I got known as the the guy and then Haley at this point. We got known as for tag-team bergman's but would come in and save courses for a whole host of reasons. And you know, I suppose it was that first for wanting to make it the best that first and dedication to more that led us to having that that name in the industry within Fitness tutoring and assessing that that That came in to save courses not there is necessarily anything wrong with them. But there may have been just the odd disgruntled person on the course or something went wrong. We would get known as that the couple that would come in and save the day which was wicked. Am I okay to keep going? It's really nice to be able to recall it and then you know what else we're making a big impact in kind of a standards of Fitness education and what not. I Got another wild card. Okay, I think you know, I'm also a big believer of being in the right place at the right time. And and I've had a couple of those to be honest and the next one. We're gonna add some. Yeah go for it. Those World cards. I really do believe and not just because you were in the right place the right time, but because you've been doing the right actions you'd been connecting with people you'd been already doing the work. So yeah. It's not all Fluke call. It was a nice house a nice refrain. Thank you. And so this Reef Riverside not refined. This wild card I got was to work with in reps register of exercise professionals fav currently since you know me working with them, they've changed radically in to simps bar and the the nature of what I do now, I believe is slightly different, but when I was with them, I was the endorsement of the sir which basically meant any piece of CPD training. Go through the endorsement team to make sure it was fit for purpose make sure that it did exactly what it was said to and they improve the standards of Fitness education. And so that would be industry experts for we'd get to liaise with day in day out but I've been in the industry for many many years but had tutored on a variety of different courses that were experts in their fields in all at all all areas of fitness. And and that was a great time. I was with them it was a A short-lived time because I learned very quickly that it was like trying to steer the Titanic whilst I had this vision and first for improving standards. I knew nothing would deep down. I knew nothing was going to happen at the speed in which I like to move at. And so I wasn't there very long. I was only there for just shy of a year and in the process of that again, you know, I've gone back to paid employment now this was for I'm in central London. I've gone back to full-time London wage and I turned back to Alias that I'm resigning again and say Here's kind of not necessarily as another career change, but it was another career shift and this is why I genuinely believe that for me personally. I mean, I'm a great I'm a great. I have a great story that aligns with so many of the Learners we work with because I understand what it's like to be in a secure position in a job role and then go through the internal dialogue for questions that inner chatter of oval watts. What-ifs. Can I do this? Am I good enough? Why me that that allows me that's allowed me to jump ship twice. Maybe I you know, I learned a lot from the first one. It was a lot easier the second time around because I knew deep down what my vision was and so I used the time at skills active and Reps to start to build out parallel. And I started parallel coaching Haley join me soon after and we we launched we launched relatively slow. I'm going to be honest a lot slower than enough for our than I wanted to but today, you know since 2012 to 2019. We have worked with thousands of Learners face to face and online and through the, you know, our free content our blog now the podcast our YouTube channel we have had although they're not a paying learner. We've had Learners use our material our resources from all over the world. Literally we get comments on our YouTube from people in Australia America the Middle East in throughout Europe throughout Africa South Africa saying, thank you and that's I suppose what helped me settle that thing inside me in my heart of hearts in my gut said but said, I'm not happy until I've done EX Now we are doing X and I'm a lot happier amazing. So there we are. My name is where is my origin story? You know your origin story and I still found it fascinating. Can I add your business? I've missed out a massive thing. What did you miss that? So the other thing is, you know, that's the origin story of why I'm here today and I want to add in that whilst there was a lot of one-to-one and small groups. Semi private training in the early stages of my career. I'm still in the trenches every Tuesday morning. I still have clients one-to-one here in Plymouth. And if I rewind to I'm going to say 2014 time was extremely stressful for for parallel coaching for Hayley and I in terms of you know my vision and my ferocious pedal to the metal attitude. Caused a serious amount of stress and we grew very very quickly at this point and consequently. I'm going to be on really open and honest and really vulnerable. I experienced a lot of anxiety and a lot of stress under that kind of category. I suppose of mental health and that allowed me to have a massive deep dive into my own psychology my own mind set my own understanding of what's between my left ear and right ear and and start. Dive into conversations and coaches with the likes of Tony Robbins and go and do some seminars with him and and various other coaches to really understand who is Neil Bergman and that's had a massive impact on how we've moved forward the last 18 months to two years. But but I missed out was following this kind of self-discovery. I suppose a liberation of me out of this stress. I set up a boot camp called. The 5:00 a.m. And 6:00 a.m. Club down here in Plymouth. And I only set out to work with a few guys, but were just like me that were a little bit at the time. I was a little bit over way. I was definitely stressed. I was definitely anxious. I was business owner. I was in my thirties and I thought I want people just like me and I want to train them. Anyway, lo and behold over the next three and a bit years. I worked with literally hundreds of people to come through the five a.m. Club. Of all different shapes and sizes and backgrounds business owners people that were employed locally those with kids without kids and literally had dozens of people turn up every morning Monday to Friday at 5 a.m. In the morning on a local car park of all weathers all months January to December and it was just the most amazing journey and I gave it up last year last. First was the last the first day for free as why didn't get up at 5 a.m. So I did it for just over three years. And in the last year all of my focus and attention has come back to parallel coaching. So I kind of had a I'm not going to say mini Hiatus. I didn't go anywhere. We just focused our attention Elsewhere for a couple of years between 2016 and 2018 specifically me and that's where we started to really develop in that time a lot of our online presence and our online. On boot camps. So there we go. There we are. There's me. It's amazing. I can't believe that you almost forgot about your five a m-- club. And they really do highlight a massive part of you and your origin and the part of your reasons for going back in the trenches being that mindset being that wanted to help somebody that was like yourself things an amazing Point. You're probably come up in a lot of podcasting interviews over the next few months weeks years. Well, we're doing all these see what it's allowed me to do is to really understand how I create a helped create change in my clients. So, you know the battles, but that You've listened to face with your clients of how do you get somebody to follow a nutritional strategy? How do you help somebody create change in my day? How do you actually get somebody to a deer to exercise? How do you make exercise fun? How do you work with small groups large groups and over the course of that time with with my with the boot camp 5m Club, you know, I worked out it to be, you know, close to almost 8,000 sessions or something like that, which is just ridiculous. Isn't it? You know one to Small group large groups, you know, the largest group of had was ranked some close to my 70 people turned up and you know, one of the things I learned during that time, you know, I want to pass on to you guys as best I can so if it processions is a perfect place that to to start that so how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Road? This is the bit processions podcast with parallel coaching. But you know moving on Haley. What I want to do is, you know, let's talk about you. Let's talk like your origin story. Where who are you also miss the overlaps quite a lot but there's a little chunk of time before it starts overlapping and as I was growing up, I basically around education all the time my mom's a teacher. I was a teacher and and as a result even playing was all about educating and I didn't really realize this until Very recently and how much were impact that has had on my life and my role in education now to this day but yeah, my life was really about education. It was about study hard always Rising always learning a star student one of those and I still loved moving and I was right into Athletics and dance time. I went on to UNI and done dance and that's where I met the lovely meal and absolutely changed my world in that moment and As a result. He also introduced me to Fitness is like see this thing. This is a gyp. I remember that I remember going to a university gym. Actually, you know, that would have been in like 2005 and yeah, I remember that it was comedy was like oh so you can run on a machine. Just why would you dig that? So and then the more that we were training together new was basically my trainer whether you knew it or not, but he was like teaching me through things. Tell him to go to Circuit classes. And I found that what I thought I loved about dance. I actually loved about Fitness more and that was about that exploration of the body that understanding of the human anatomy that feeling that you get when you challenge yourself and you achieve something new. That's actually what I started to find in Fitness rather than in dance and it fulfill be in a much greater way because I had no need to do say that performances or rehearsals of be told what to do that didn't have to happen in Fitness and and I ended up really loving it. And anyway, we graduated and we move down to the mess and actually ice went on a small little Community Based course that taught me chair based dance and I already had a massive like crush on of these basically like a love working with older populations. I know already my grandma. I've been a massive part of my life in terms of going to see her in real time for Village and understand about Alzheimer's dementia, and this allowed me to do that. So I took what I know about dance for my degree. I took the chair based don't qualification that I gained in this little course, and I basically traipsed around the entirety of Devil with a little CD player. And then I do like handjob dance flamingos flamingos and in specific retirement villages and I was a freelance whilst Neal was working in the adventure role in a city college. So it was it was a really exciting and busy time where I was doing all this freelance work and that's when Neil went on his left Egypt was and he was talking right my button how many how many retirement villages are old people's homes? I swear you in and an average week and how many people do you reckon? You saw nice. I probably had 15 to 20 on my books. Some will weekly somewhat couple times a week. Someone months be and each one had probably about 10 in there. Also. I love them to pieces like they're everything from a really active group to then those that all had outside MERS and you think you've got like 12 times in your class all have our So I missed half the time I just end up dancing with them and I had an amazing time but yeah things rusting and they kept me busy and then where I wasn't in the story was that Neil basically done his level to Jim course with a very inspirational guy Bob Bob who's gonna be on one of the episodes. I'm still in contact with with my original tutor and Mentor who I've had the pleasure. So, it's Haley. I'm hijacking. Me and Haley are both had the pleasure of working with and he's actually done some bits in parallel and it's gonna be the best episode it gives me goosebumps thinking that Bob Hope who's also an offer of a of a circuit trait be the exercise guide to circuit training is going to be on the podcast. So watch out for that one. I'm not sure what episode but it is coming. We are talking we are communicating we will get it going. Yeah, absolutely. And both is the reason we are both in the fitness industry. He absolutely inspired us both. He taught fantastically and it really made me feel like I could actually do this and hopefully we embody a lot of like Bob's principles and how we teach as well and but when food, I'm a level to dye my level 3 and then got a job as a maternity cover in a ladies only gym to start off with just the fitness instructor. I enjoyed it. I kind of found that I I quite quickly progressed and outgrew that role and I ended up jumping across the lots of different management roles. To be honest. I got picked up for management in Fitness very quickly and quite good at like technically stuff. So I got caught into all of the pool plan and understanding during pools and all that type thing. And so I went up food and lots of operational management work in Jim's still instructing still working with clients as well. But then I had like My calling and such was that I found a position open a retirement village. They were looking for someone to come in and run their gym. And I took that role I was there for three years. I built an exercise referral scheme in the gym. I transformed the gym in terms of having a parallel bars in place to help people to learn to walk where this amazing machine that would move their arms and legs for them if they were disabled and I worked a lot with stroke. Disability those that had amputations from Abby's from diabetes. So really heavily in the excise referral world and really liaising with GP surgeries as well. You even know that I am you even had a resident nurse join you in the gym and have an office actually as part of a gym and have GPS actually come to the gym at times didn't you too because it was easy for them to come to you and your clients and the clients. To them. Absolutely. It shows how important that that function that join between health and fitness was really really important. And yeah, and then I basic became a specialist is frozen excess referral and whilst it was working with the other training provider as the manager who was looking someone to come and do some exercise referral assessments and working low back pain and oh I had my first taste of teaching on my God. That was scary and I remember the moments Standing in front of a class thinking everybody else knew so much more than I did. I definitely had some elements of failing on that first of my courses and it gave me the taste to be able to teach and actually realize that it's something that I do love and I am good at teaching and educating actually that I always go by the phrase of like, I'm a PT by trade. I'm an educator by nature, but I'm like a business owner by name. I Like CEO by name so I really am an educator by nature and we found we built parallel coaching. And as Neil said we went through all those different phases and structures within parallel coaching. And actually it wasn't until 2014. Correct me if I'm wrong and rubbish with dates Neil Peart with 2014, whereby one of our Learners are wanted some extra help. They can really understand the manual anymore and there are why can't you just take Your sessions that we do face-to-face. Why can't you just give them to me? Can't you just do it again? Can't you just do the Heart video again? And actually this Heart video is still on YouTube now and it makes me cringe so much but it's great. So and that was the moment when we realized that so many more people will benefit from our content and our way of teaching that actually not everyone teaches like we do and that ability to break down those complex topics. Make things really simple became what we did and I suddenly found oh, oh, I'm good at something. I found something that I can really help lots of people with and it fitted with where we going parallel coaching it made that us as a training provider very different from anything else that's out there because we weren't just ego. You start the beginning. You've come a PT. Let's go it was about the Journey of how we teach you. It's about journey of how you learn it. Can you really absorb that information? - and you go out there to be truly outstanding and that really to me was the next step in the origin story and maybe in story. I know and what I love about that. Is that where I first started in terms of tutoring and assessing that student support role as my first wild card to that side of the industry was actually about helping people and recognizing that training providers in general aren't necessarily help. In Learners achieve and truly be confident and understand where they're resides where exams. So we Anatomy physiology where principles when nutrition Mass what I love that was at those at defining moment for both of us in 2014. When we when we started to record the rivairy first revision master in its had you know, I think we're on like revision Mastery like 7.0 now, but it but it's allowed us to work with Learners that are with other training providers and fill that Gap in the industry but says, you know just because you're you don't get it doesn't mean you have to stay stuck. That's the key. So with that all said and there's up. That's that's who we are. That's who's who in the zoo what this fitness mean for you Haley. So that might be personally or what does it from an industry perspective. What does fitness mean for you Fitness? Okay. So scopic word that isn't it? That's not a little work, but in terms of the Phrase Fitness First of all this kind of two points do it. First of all the word like to be fit for purpose to have a to be bit. I think is kind of about meeting a certain standard. It's about being fit for purpose is about being able to do something a good capability. That's what I was kind of see with having Fitness and then in the fitness industry and that business as a concept what I love about Fitness, is that it serves More than for just the session you're in and hopefully this podcast is a reflection of that. It's not just about the single session. It's about the impact after that. So for example, it's not just about that training session on a treadmill where your heart rate is through the roof and and then it's lower again. You're really pushing around aerobic threshold. It's the impact after that on your body on your mindset and what that accomplishment allows you to do. So for me is really a Max it metaphorical what the achievement allows you to do in your body and in the rest of your life. Exactly. I did, you know hundred percent agree, you know for me personally Fitness is what can I achieve personally in terms of my fitness? We will have a potential can my fitness be pushed to that that full potential and reach whatever it is, but I'm going after as a fitness goal. So, you know a number of our listeners know that both myself and Haley we've done a number of ultra runs over the last number of couple of years and been heavily into the running. Seen and pushed our bodies physically and mentally and emotionally through some crazy distances and that it doesn't necessarily have to be Fitness for you've got to run a certain distance. Your that Fitness could be to to you know, reduce your low back pain that could be to reduce a particular medication. What's your Fitness goal your health and fitness goal from a parallel coaching or Fitness industry perspective. What does fitness mean for me? I think you know, we've got these Ruiz we learn at level 2 GM we talked about, you know, physical fitness nutritional Fitness emotional Fitness spiritual Fitness, I would I want to add one in I want to call it learning Fitness and you know what I mean by that is we all have this capacity to push our brain and learn and for me, you know, what does fitness mean within the fitness industry is we've got to constantly be learning and push our learning Fitness. There we go. Cheeky wine. That was no. No. She didn't have that one was coming. I like that. I like the learning City's gonna ask you one back. What was it? I forget that first. I'm going to get them first. What was what's been your most memorable moment today in in your origin story or more. So with in parallel coaching most memorable moment. So how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Road? This is the fit processions podcast with parallel coaching and not just because I have a lush road to his memory. But it's not I agree like honesty you would not believe the daily battle we have with Haley's memory. There we go. Not upset. That's why there's so many memory hacks in the region. I do. I need an anchor point for everything and but not just because I have an attraction own. We've got honesty. I can't pick one memorable moment and that's because every single day or week we get messages we get Comments from Learners are saying that we are having an impact and to be honest. That's what is all about for me. I know it is for you as well when they say thank you so much. The penny just dropped then I'm like what we're doing matters. What we're doing has an impact and that memorable moment cool for me the memorable moment. Honestly, I won't forget it. I couldn't forget it and and you as soon as I say, you know, you will remember Member even though you've got a really bad memory, but we were living just outside Milton Keynes in Newport pagnell. It was 2012 13 would spend several months setting up parallel coaching taking it to her, you know making it limited setting underpinning it with everything we needed and we wrote our very first course which was our level one kettlebell course and rather than doing what every other training provider does is just by the manual. From an awarding body like active IQ or YMCA and that's the easy route good old Neal over here decided he would write his own manual and scheme of work and and do it the hard way amazing. It was phenomenal anyway, so we put a huge amount of work and effort and time energy focus our money in and we hadn't sold anything and even though you know my vision I knew where we wanted to go and I remember coming back. Back from a walk around one of the lakes in Milton Keynes, maybe a little bit down hard little bit disgruntled, you know with working hard and not really seeing anything materialized. And anyway, we walked in and I walked upstairs and Haley, press play on the answer machine and it was a lady called Karen and it said hi. My name is Karen. I just found your website and I'd like to book on the Swindon course. I can remember the day August 13th. And it gives me Goose Bumps thinking about it because literally I just stood on the top of it of our Stairs And for those of you who are watching on YouTube. I was just like, oh my God, like dancing around and you know, we danced all night and we sent her the link and she paid a hundred and thirty nine pound and enrolled and we sent the man you out and for me that was the most memorable time because it just provided evidence that this was going to To work, even though it was just one tiny little sale, but what this really represented was impacting one learner and I knew that if I could impact one learner, I would impact the household if I impacted the household I'd impact their clients if I impacted their clients, it would impact the next household and it is that ripple effect yet again using now. She says I'm memories here, so Riley was been the hardest decision you've had to make. Tough questions, but there's still a lot of decisions and technically I think sometimes obviously new to make some of the the bigger decisions. You're the big mission area parallel really, but in terms of the hardest decision is really personal to me actually and it was it still is around this base to camera and base to like doing a live videos. I always worry. I'm going to get my words. Job for that I'm gonna look horrendous or who will judge me for my teeth and my bad hair or whatever. It might be and I'm sure other people probably feel the same about things and it was a big decision to finally just go I'm going to do it and we've got hundreds of videos on YouTube now as a result of that I'm just going to do it doesn't matter and for me that was big and and you know adding on to that like you literally we talk about, you know, I think there's over 300 videos now just on Our YouTube alone, you know and I look the other day and it's literally milk cumulative. It's millions of views and we have literally thousands of comments saying thank you and in Bashir minority versus lightly, you know, probably like less than 1% where somebody says. Oh, you've got a big gap between your teeth or your glasses or one key or you could have at least done your hair and you know, I'm gonna swear permission to swear, you know, who gives a fuck. You know what I love about it is you just did it regardless. It would have been so easy to have listened to the minority. But the hardest decision was just doing it. Yeah, totally absolutely and yeah, it was it was hard because it was a personal choice I make as well I could have just left it but I chose to do it. So that was that came hard, but I would like to know about yours. Can I turn that question back to you? What hardest decision? I think he's going to be leaving the my first full-time job. When I was with the training provider, so we're talking 2010 11 time. I'm not a hundred percent on dates. Maybe that's my memory going but for all intents and purposes, you know, I was working in central London good wage good good overall career prospects general manager. There was routes to more way more than I ever thought. I was capable of so making that decision even though it was quick for me. It was still an anti uncertainty and as you know, I don't deal well with uncertainty some days, you know, although I may be appear quite confident on here and in the classroom, I still experience uncertainty and anxiety can cripple me. So whilst I do come across as me at this is another side to me which can literally just be crippled with with with uncertainty and that's what that did that time was huge levels of fear. Has levels of uncertainty it was scary. But but deep down. I knew I wanted to do and it wasn't that so that was probably the hardest decision handing in my resignation. Yeah. I think a lot of our Learners listeners right now will be able to relate to that whether they've done that or whether they're at the moment of just about handing that that resignation and move on that big leap. So, yeah, thank you for sharing that that's absolutely spot-on. So I'm going to ask you a question back and this relates to to you personally and your skill set. So I want to know like you mentioned that you quite like Marvel. You quite like DC these kind of comics, but I want to know where your superhero power and be a few or is like what is your Superior power? The only thing but I think if I was a superhero, I'd be Iron Man. Yep, maybe we could turn start a better Tony Stark. Maybe we could leave it there. I don't know. I don't know. I'll let you guys decide. What's my superhero power. We talked about this on our PT course, then we about having a superhero power one thing but we are incredibly good at and being humble over that for me. I'm going to go with vision and belief, you know, when the world Stacks up against you you've got this vision and Leaf that what you're doing is going to work out and I hold a very clear vision for for me for 14 Bergman for team parallel and I deep down believe it even though at times as many hurdles barriers or obstacles things in our way that that could change that I'd say the other superhero. I mean, you've got to superhero Powers. I think you know a superhero can have more than one. And that's making learning fun and entertaining. I think you know those of you that have been in the classroom with me I get liken to Jim Carrey. I don't see it myself but I get very passionate very animated and I love making learning fun and entertaining and I genuinely believe that that creates a memorable experience and you know, if I think back to all of the teachers I had growing up the ones that I kind of remember their names. I kind of remember our topics is probably because it wasn't funny. An enjoyable and it wasn't entertaining and then when I look back all of the teachers or people that taught me something along the way right from a young kid is because it was fun enjoyable and entertaining and there's got to be something in that because I can I can I can hold a memory of it I can I can remember Mr. Swan Alat my primary school his sessions were fun enjoyable and entertaining I can remember a guy called guy Malpass when I first started going into kayaking and climbing. Fun memorable and enjoyable Bob Hope my first introduction to Fitness as a level 2 gym instructor. I turned up day one. I was like this guy is so fun. So memorable and so enjoyable. I remember it now and I think that's something I've been around and recognize and I love that being a bit of a superhero power. There we go. So over to you. So other than being maybe Wonder Woman, what do you reckon? Your superhero power is I'm glad you said about Wonder Woman Come on, any other female female superhero stuff for Wonder Woman be good? Yeah, absolutely and she is like my female crush. Absolutely. I think she's fantastic. So really my skill set. I suppose that I would say is a superhero element would be that to a fault. I'm very good with process. So it reads this can get in the way sometimes but it means I can see Trends really well, and I'm really good at taking Something that's complex and finding a path through that to create a step-by-step process. It means I'm really good at coming up with acronyms wordplay and metaphors and this can get really irritating for Neil when we're driving along and I make words and number plates and all sorts of geeky things. If you if you're not on YouTube. You just don't know shit himself in the head at the thought of me making up words that number plate but essentially what it is is it's a skill set in terms of being able to break down something that's very complex and turn it something step by step and that's what you found in an incredible way Envy online learning for revision boot camps or the specialist courses, excuse me, is you've taken a very complex topics within you know, Anatomy physiology and just crush them and and learn as walk away. Just going. Oh my God how I get it straight away. So cool. So we've that where do you see the fitness industry? In going into 2020 and onwards in 20 seconds going to go 30 seconds. Let's give you some time quick. But where do you sit? Where do you see the fitness industry moving? I think it's going to move into being much more holistic much more personalized and that Learners to get a PT's are going to need to have a deeper knowledge in specific areas that they can guarantee results for clients. I don't think clients are gonna accept A PT that doesn't get them results are going to become more and more aware that results a key. That's what I recommend about you. Yes, your as a fitness professional doesn't matter PT yoga Pilates your you're being bought upon a result. So you're selling an end and end result and I think if you can't deliver on that result, then you're going to make yourself redundant too kind of reframe that you know, I'd add on to that, you know about being being a specialist really, you know is a How did I'm going to say? It's quite a crowd it's saturated Market, you know some basic research. I've done is almost 60 plus thousand active personal trainers Fitness professionals health coaches mindset coaches therapists active in the UK and you know, you have to separate yourself from it every one of those. So there's only one Neil Bergman. There's only one parallel coach and there's only one Haley Bergman. But what is it that you do and do exceptionally well to Niche down on I think going forwards they'll always Be a space for one-to-one training small group semi-private large group without dialing in and understanding. What is it? You you specialize in uniquely. You're going to be left behind. I think that's the key is keeping up and being being as unique as you can for you. That's an awesome tip for success as well. Isn't it in terms of being able to just be uniquely you and specially so not only Understand where the industry is going to go. But also what that means R suppose as well. So yes, it means in terms of success. So thank you know, I let me let's stay on the word success then is what would what what thing? Can you attribute to your success or your origin story? It's really slushy. Do you still want me to say it you can go for it you so Neil is a hundred percent. My my reason that I would actually to success. Is he supports his Drive its Vision. It's being my wingman hundred percent there. And I know undoubtedly that I would have stumbled many more times based on my lack of self belief if I didn't have somebody Smooth it was truly my Raven found my way grunts. So now I feel like I've got a save that your V attribute to my success. However, I didn't put that in my answer my my answer serious one and we went we got all our questions sent in and we put them down and then we kind of went away in which food for your rosy listening. We answered them individually to come back to so now I feel a little bit like maybe I should have said Haley but my answers I have a mantra called doing the work daily in spite of how I feel. So even you know, I mentioned this on my intro on the intro episode number one podcast was even my number plate is DTW do the work do the work Daily doesn't matter how I feel. It doesn't matter how I got a headache doesn't matter. I got back pain. It doesn't matter if I feel angry annoyed tired pissed off frustrated or on likewise the other side of those emotions of happy. Joyful excited ecstatic. I just got to do for work, and I know that if I just Do for what daily and keep pushing forwards keep blocking only forward as another saying I say a lot then I will get to where I want to get to inside my vision. So Vision success Stacks up nicely to the next question. We got about three or four more questions Haley is what's unique about parallel coaching. I'm a glance of this one. No, I'm happy with this. So they're parallel coaching. To me in the obviously a lot of training finds out there and fitness education as a lot of other companies that and what I love about parallel coaching is that we don't see ourselves in competition with those but we Encompass them into our whole business. We're kind of like an island amongst many islands Island. I like it. Okay. Yes. So rather than feeling like we're all lots of different islands and we've got barriers up between them. Just use your mentor. Problems are like that is that the were all individual Islands a skilled training provided seemed and the other learners but our success is when we work as a whole team and the fact that we we offer a lot of our resources to Learners that are already working with other training providers. I think makes this very different about you know, I agree a hundred percent. I think you know, there's always going to be we've always it we are in competition, but it's about working together. Gether and driving towards one big message as a whole even though at times, you know, there is an element of competition and that's okay. There we go. I love it. I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't jump down to the next couple of questions for you. I'm not sure who sent this question and I we should have put people's names. We will do that on future questions. But what do you do to chill and relax and unwind Haley? For me is anything around the sea is partly why we moved back down to Devon. I just love being around CL. I've been acting for sharing with us walking running whether it's bodyboarding is our new thing surfing was before that like paddleboarding anything on Water by the Sea relaxing mean. What about you? Yeah under percent usually be found surfing bodyboarding historically a lot of running. Haven't done that. At too much for last few months personally few due to a few health issues, but I imagine we get back to running at some point. But one thing I'm I like geeking out over is making videos and content. So a lot of the videos you see on our YouTube are parallel Instagram Facebook. I just I just enjoy making content and even though there's an element of work behind that. I like all adding all of the graphics but the effects and and making them as kind of funky as possible so that proper tools Now I'm with chill out the next question before we start to wrap up is if you could take one two, three books with you on a holiday. What would you choose? Nice. Okay. So although I'm a massive geek. I'm not a big reader, but I've got one that I would definitely say. You're a podcast listener. Listen. Yeah, I nobody really I'm more of a listener and but with with that Stephen Covey seven Habits of Highly Successful People again remember you from yeah, okay. So yeah, that one is the one that I would probably say that I found really interesting to understand like the mechanisms of how different people operate and how to be more effective. That's that's one that I would find. So how about, you know, even Kobe I'm going to take three books with me. I am a book person. First off. I'm gonna go with.com secrets from Russell Brunson, then I'm going to take his second book expert secrets from Russell Brunson. Those two books have been the catalyst. Just too many significant changes inside parallel coaching and 5m club without those books. I genuinely believe we wouldn't be where we are today. I would love to meet Russell Brunson at some point in the future. I pretty much sure that will happen and I would just like to shake his hand and say thank you. I've sent him messages on social media platforms and he's personally responded as well. So those two books top dollar. and then the final book is the one thing by Gary Keller again this concept of if I just focused on one thing and I saw that one thing kind of like a domino and I pushed that Domino over that one thing what one thing must I do today in order to get to the one thing tomorrow what one thing today pushes tomorrow and the next day over so it's this concept of working on one thing and I think you know, we live in an environment where we're constantly multitasking and You know Paralyzed by loads of things and we don't get anything done. And that book from Gary Keller made. It made it very very clear of what I should be doing on a day-to-day basis. So hated a basis. We're in the now. We're coming up to the back end of 2019. What's next handy for parallel coaching going into 2020? I'm gonna say more more and more more and more. That's a lovely lovely way. We're just going to keep doing more and more. We're going to increase our reach. We're going to help more people more and more. Okay, we've got more courses More PT courses are parallel Academy up in Milton Keynes. I love it with out there again this we've gone way up there last weekend were up there this weekend. We've got new PT course in with 12, 13 14 people in 14 people. We're back up the following weekend. We got another 14 people on a circuit course and I love seeing I want to see the parallel coaching Academy face-to-face thriving next year. And then the other side what I really want is just more online presence. I want to reach more people and I think that's where this podcast comes in. So, you know, if you know somebody that you think is going to benefit from this whether they're kick starting out in Fitness or whether they just you know addicted to the gym and you know that actually they would appreciate and get value from this then. Share it with them. And the other way to really boost that is to leave us a review in iTunes or Stitcher or Google play whatever you're listening on because those reviews helped the algorithm of that social platform to boost our rankings and you know, the higher up we are in in those rankings and algorithm, but more findable is is that a word were more? Yeah findable. We are two more and more people so that's what's next for parallel. Coaching. There we go. Anything you want to add Hailey any any questions we could have asked or should have asked before we wrap up episode to the origin story. No, I think we've done an amazing job on that origin story Pat ourselves on the head, but I'm honestly with the questions from the Learners that we had on there as well. I think it's a fantastic insight into who we are which now gives all of that context to then go forward and you can see our real intention behind what we're doing in the processions. So I immediately so, you know, I think you know, I just want to thank you on behalf of Haley and I you know, we really look. Forward to you joining us on the fit processions, as you know is going to be to a week for the first week. There's going to be one a day for seven days. And you know, I invite you to join us inside our Facebook in a circle Community as well. Go to Facebook go to parallel coaching and you'll be able to join the group. They're quite easily. We're let you in. There's you know over a thousand feet Pros just like you in Bear constantly engage in asking questions pushing, but that's the place you can ask us questions. About the guest speakers coming on. So we really look forward to seeing you on the future Sessions episode 3 drops tomorrow where I've done an interview with Phil Quirk from PQ performance, and we Deep dive into NLP and mindset. So stay tuned and we're see you soon. Hi, I'm Neil Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. 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FitPro Sessions Podcast Episode 002 – The Origin Story Who is Parallel Coaching Here’s what we talked about on today’s FitPro Sessions Podcast Today’s podcast episode is the second from our NEW FitPro Sessions Podcast where we explain Who Parallel Coaching are with our Origin Story. This will give the context of what you can expect over the next few episodes as well as understand why we do what we do. Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes: Timestamps: 1:00 What is an Origin Story 2:50 Neale’s Origin Story – How did you start in Fitness and whats the journey to date? 21:50 Hayley’s Origin Story – How did you start in Fitness and whats the journey to date? 32:30 What Does Fitness Mean To You? 35:30 Most Memorable Moment 39:20 Hardest Decision To Date 43:00 What is Your Superhero Power 47:00 Where Do You See The Fitness Industry Going 49:00 What Do you Attribute To Your Success? 51:30 What is Unique about Parallel Coaching? 53:00 What do you do to relax? 54:15 What 1-3 books would you take away on holiday with you? 56:45 What is next for Parallel Coaching Learn more from Parallel Coaching : Join the Parallel Coaching Inner Circle HERE Access all of the other FitPro Sessions Podcast Episodes HERE Get help with your revision with our revision mastery bootcamps: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-revision-courses Download Free Mock questions here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-mock-questions Check out what learners are saying: HERE Like us on Facebook: HERE Follow us on Instagram: HERE Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: HERE --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fitpro-sessions/message

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Probably we thought of such things as their grotesquely weathered Stone. So the Garden of the Gods in Colorado or the fantastically symmetrical wind-carved rocks of the Arizona desert, perhaps we even have thought the site de Mirage like that. We had seen the morning before and first approaching those mountains of Madness. We must have had some such normal Notions to fall back upon as our eyes swept the The bit less Tempest guard plateau and saw the almost Limitless Labyrinth of coloful regular and geometrically youth rhythmic Stone masses which reared their crumbled and pitted crests above a glacial sheet. Not more than 40 or 50 feet deep at its thickest and in some places obviously thinner. The effect of the Monstrous site was Indescribable for some bean dish violation of some unknown natural law seems certain that the outset here on a hellishly ancient table and fully twenty thousand feet high and in a climate deadly to habitation such a pre-human age not less than 500,000 years ago. they're stretched nearly to the Visions limit the tangle orderly Stone, which only the desperation of mental self defense could possibly attribute to any but a conscious and artificial cause we had previously dismissed so far as serious thought was concerned any Theory the cubes and ramparts of the mountainsides other than natural, you know, Jen how could they be? Otherwise when man himself could scarcely have been differentiated from the great apes of the time when this region succumbed to the present unbroken reign of glacial death it now this way of Reason seemed he reputedly shaken or the cyclopean masive squared curved and angular blocks had features which Cut Off full Well Refuge, it was very clearly the Blasphemous city of the Mirage and Stark objective reality that damnable portent had a material basis after all there had been some horizontal stratum of ice dust in the upper air. And this shocking Stone survival had projected its image across the mountains according to the simple laws of reflection. Of course, the Phantom had been twisted and exaggerated and had contained things which are real Source did not contain yet. Now as we saw that real Source, we thought it even more hideous and menacing and it's distant image only the Incredible unhuman massiveness of these vast Stone towers and ramparts had saved the bright little thing. Annihilation in the hundreds of thousands perhaps millions of years. We had brooded their midst of the class of oblique a planned. Corona Mundi roof of the world all sorts of fantastic phrases sprang to our lips as we looked dizzily down at the unbelievable spectacle. I thought again of the eldrick Primal Miss, but it's so persistently haunted me since my first sight of this dead-end hurting world of the Demonic plant our blang of the me go or minimal snowman of the Himalayas or the manuscripts with their bravery human implications of the Cthulhu Cult of the Necronomicon and of the hyper bourgie and legends of formless Sato Guam and the worst Then formless star spawn associated with that semi and is he for boundless miles in every direction the things stretched off with very little Opening indeed as our eyes followed it to the right and left them all in the base of the low gradual Foothills, which separated it from the actual Mountain rim. we decided that we could see note bending at all except for an interruption of the left of the pass through which we had come we had merely struck at random a limited part of something of incalculable extend the foot hills were more sparsely sprinkled with grotesque stone structures linking the terrible City to be already familiar cubes and ramparts which had evidently performed its Mountain outposts these ladder as well as the strange cave mouths or as thick on the inner as on the outer sides of the mountains the nameless Stone Labyrinth consisted for the most part of walls from 10 to 150 feet in ice clear height and of a thickness varying from 5 to 10 feet and was composed mostly of prodigious blogs some dark primordial slaved schist and Sandstone blocks in many cases as large as 4 by 6 by 8 feet though in several places at seemed to be carved out of a solid uneven Bedrock of brain Cambrian slate. The buildings are far from equal in size therapy innumerable honeycomb Arrangements of enormous extent as well as smaller separate structures, the general shape of these things tended to be conical pyramidal or terrorist though. There were many permitting cylinders perfect cubes clusters of cubes and other rectangular forms and A peculiar. Playing of angled oedipus's caused by pointed ground plan roughly suggested modern fortifications. The builders had made constant and expert use of the principle of the arch and domes had probably existed in the city's heyday. Tangle was monstrously weathered and the glaze you'll surface from which the towers projected was strewn with pollen blocks and immemorial debris where the glaciation was transparent. We can see the lower parts the gigantic piles and noticed the ice preserved Stone Bridges which connected the different towers and varying distances above the ground. On the exposed walls, we could detect the scarred places where other and I are bridges and the same sword that existed closer inspection revealed countless largest Windows. Some of which were closed the shutters of a petrified material originally would the most gaped open in a Sinister and menacing fashion. many of the rooms of course were ruthless with uneven the wind rounded upper edges whilst others the more sharply comical or pyramidal model or else protected by a higher surrounding structures preserved intact outlines, despite the omnipresent crumbling and pitting With the field glass we can barely make out with seem to be sculptural decorations in horizontal bands decorations, including those curious groups of dots whose presence on the Ancients of stones now assumed a vastly larger significance. In many places the building's weren't only ruined and the ice sheet deeply ribbon from various geologic causes and other places the stonework was worn down to the very level of the glaciation one broad swath extending from the plateaus interior took left in the Foothills about a mile to the left of the past we had traversed. Was wholly free from buildings and probably represented. We concluded the course of some great river which in tertiary times millions of years ago had poured through the city and into some prodigious Subterranean abyss of the Great Barrier range. Certainly. This was all above a region of caves Gold City Underground Secrets Beyond human penetration. Looking back to our Sensations Nicole in our days at Miss. I've been doing this monstrous survival from Aeons. We had not pre-human. I can only wonder that we preserve the semblance of equilibrium which we did. Of course, we knew that something chronology scientific theory or our own Consciousness was woefully, awry. Yet be kept enough poised to God through the plane observe many things quite neatly and take a careful series of photographs which may yet serve both us and the world in good stead in my case in Grain scientific habit may have helped form of all my me wonderment and a sense of Menace. They're burned and dominant curiosity to Fathom more. I miss age-old secret to know what sort of beings and builds lived in the same calculate gigantic place and what relation to the general world of its time or whether times so unique the concentration of life could have had for this place could be no ordinary City. I must have formed the primary nucleus and center of some archaic an unbelievable chapter of Earth's history whose outward ramifications recalled only dimly in the most obscure and distorted myths had vanished utterly admits the chaos of terrine convulsions long before any human race. We know had shambled out of a victim. hair sprawled a Paleo jelly megalopolis compared with which the fabled city of Atlantis and lemuria as we flew above that tangle of star Titan Towers. My imagination sometimes escaped all bounds and Road aimlessly and rounds of fantastic associations. Even wearing links between fixed this lost world and some of my own Wildest Dreams concerning the Mad whore of the camp the plane's fuel tank in the interest of great lightness. I'd only been partially filled, hence. We now had to exert caution in our Explorations even so however, we covered an enormous extent of and or rather are after swooping down to a level where the wind became virtually negligible there seemed to be no limit to the mountain range or the length of the bright purple stone city, which bordered its inner Foothills 50 miles of flight in each Direction showed no major change in the Labyrinth of rock and masonry but flawed up corpse leg through To the Eternal ice there were though some highly absorbing diversifications such as the carvings on the canyon for the Broad River and once pierced the Foothills and approached it sinking place in the great range. The headbands of the streams and Trends had been boldly carved in the cyclopean pylons and something about the riggi barrel-shaped designs start up on leaving Hague hateful and confusing semi remembrances involved and forth and me. We also Came Upon several star-shaped Open Spaces evidently public squares and noted various undulations in the terrain. Where a sharp Hill Rose. It was generally home move into some sort of rambling Stone edifice, but there were at least two exceptions of these latter one was too badly weathered to disclose what had been on the jutting Eminence while the other is still bore fantastic conical Monument carved out of the solid rock and roughly resembling such things as the well-known snake tomb in the ancient Valley of Petra. My in land from the mountains we discovered that the city was not of infinite with even though it's length along the Foothills seemed endless after about 30 miles the grotesque Stone buildings began to thin out and in 10 more miles. We came to an unbroken waste virtually without signs of sentient artifice. the course of the river beyond the city seemed marked by a bra depressed my own the land assumed is somewhat greater ruggedness seeming to slope slightly upward as it receded into the Mist hazed West so far we had made no Landing it only the plateau about an attempted entering some of the monsters structures would have been inconceivable accordingly. We decided to find a smooth place in the Foothills near are navigable pass their grounding the plane and preparing to do some exploration on foot though. These gradual slopes were Partly covered with a scattering of ruins low-flying soon disclosed an ample number of possible Landing places selecting that nearest to the passed since our next flight would be across the Great range and back to camp we succeeded about 12:30 p.m. In coming down on a smooth hard snow feel wholly devoid of obstacles and well adapted to a Swift and favorable take off later. Iran It did not seem necessary to protect the plane with the snow baking for so brief a time and then so comfortable and absence of high winds of this level. Hence. We merely saw the blending skis were safely lodged another vital parts of the mechanism were guarded against the cold. For our foot journey, we discarded the heaviest of our wine purse and took with us a small outfit consisting of pocket compass hand camera light Provisions voluminous notebooks and paper geologists hammer and chisel specimen bags coil of climbing rope and Powerful electric torches with extra batteries. This equipment having been carried in the plane on the chance that we might be able to effect a landing take Brown pictures make drawings and topographical sketches and obtain Rock specimens from bear slope outcropping or Mountain cave. Fortunately. We had a supply of an extra paper to tear up place in a spare specimen bag and use on the ancient principle of The hounds were marking our course idiom Terrier mazes. We might be able to penetrate. This had been brought in case we found some cave system are quiet enough to allow rapid easy method in place of the usual Rock shipping method trailblazing mocking cautiously down a hill over the crusted snow tour in the stupendous Stone Labyrinth and leaned against the opalescent West. We felt almost as keenest sense of imminent Marvel's as we had felt When approaching the unfathomed mountain pass for hours previously true. We had become visually familiar with the incredible secret concealed by the barrier Peaks yet the prospect of actually entering primordial walls reared by conscious beings perhaps millions of years ago before any known. So man could have been tested was nonetheless awesome and potentially terrible ones implications of cosmic abnormality. Though the thinness of the air and his prodigious altitude made exertion somewhat more difficult than usual book Danforth and I found ourselves bearing up very well and felt equal to almost any task which might fall to our lives. took only a few steps to bring us to the shapeless ruin or level with the snow while ten or fifteen rods farther on there was a huge ruthless Rampart still complete its gigantic five-pointed outline and rising to an irregular height and 10 or 11 feet for this ladder we headed and when at last we were able actually to Jen's weathered cyclopean blocks, we found that we had established an unprecedented and almost Blasphemous linked with forgotten Aeons normally close to our species this Rampart shaped like a star and perhaps 300 feet from point to point was builds of Jurassic Sandstone blocks of a regular sized averaging six by eight feet in surface. There was a row of barged loopholes or Windows about four feet wide by 5 feet high spaced quite symmetrically alone the points of the star and at its inner angles and with the bottoms about Fort Meade from the glaciated service looking through these we could see that the masonry was fully five feet thick that there are no partitions remaining within and that there were traces of banded carvings. On the interior walls facts we had indeed guest before when flying low over this Rampart and the others like it the lower parts must have originally existed all traces of such things or now. Holy of scared by the Deep layer of ice and snow at this elevation. We crawled through one of the windows and vainly tried to decipher. I'm merely a face to be royal designs but did not attempt to disturb the glaciated for orientation flight said indicated that many buildings in the city proper or less ice-choked and that we might perhaps find the only clear Interiors leading down to the true ground level if we entered those structures still roofed at the top. Before we left the ramparts, we photographed and carefully and studied. It's more or less cyclopean masonry with complete bewilderment. We wish that the body were present for his engineering knowledge might have helped us guess how such Titanic blocks could have been handled in them from moving remote age when the city and its outskirts or built up. That mile off downhill to the actual City but the upper wind shrieking vainly and savagely to the Skyward peaks in the background was something whose smallest details will always remain engraved on my mind. Only invent a stick nightmares could any human beings but Dan poor than me conceived such Optical effects. Between us and the churning Vapors of the West lay that monster is tangle of dark stone Towers. Its outer an incredible forms impressing us afresh and every new angle of vision. It was a mirage and solid Stone and were it not for the photographs. I would still doubt that such a thing could be And general type of masonry was identical with that of the rampart. We had examined but the extravagant shapes which the space in retook in its Urban manifestations were all passed description. Even the pictures illustrate only one or two phases of its infinite bizarre Airy and less variety preternatural massiveness and utterly. alien thing tzadik Menace there were geometrical forms her which include could scarcely find the name cones of all degrees are regularity and truncation Terraces of every sort of provocative disproportion shafts with odd bulbous enlargements broken columns and curious groups and five-pointed or five ridged Arrangements of mad grotesqueness. As we drew nearer, we can see beneath the certain transparent parts of the ice sheet and detect some of the tubular Stone bridges that connected the crazily sprinkled structures at various Heights. Of orderly streets there seem to be none. The only Rod opens, wha being mild to the left by the ancient river had doubtless flowed through the town into the mountains are field glasses showed the external horizontal bands of nearly a face sculptures from da troops to be very prevalent. And we could only have imagined when the city you must have looked like even though most of the roofs and Tower tops and necessarily perished as a whole it had been a complex tangle of Twisted lanes and alleys all of them deep canyons and some little better than tunnels because of the overhanging masonry or overarching Bridges. Now outspread below us. It lubed like a dream fantasy against a Westward Mist through whose Northern and Below reddish Antarctic son of early afternoon was struggling to shine and when for a moment that son encountered a denser obstruction and plunge the scene in the temporary shadow, The effect was suddenly menacing in a way. I can never hope to depict even the paint howling and piping of the unveiled wind in the great mountain passes behind us took on a Wilder note purposeful malignity. The last stage of our descent to the town was unusually Steep and abrupt and a rock outcropping at the edge with a grade changed - to think But an artificial Terrace had once existed there under the glaciation we believed there must be applied of steps or its equivalent. When at last we plunged into the labyrinth in town itself clambering over falling masonry and shrinking from the impressive nearness and warming height of omnipresent crumbling and pitted walls or Sensations again became such That I Marvel at the amount of self-control. We retained Danforth was frankly jumpy and began making some offensively and revel in speculations about the horror at the camp, which I resented all the more because I could not help sharing certain conclusions forced Upon Us by many features of this Mormon survival from Nightmare and think Woody. Speculations worked on his imagination two-for-one in place where debris littered Ali turned a sharp corner. He insisted that he saw a faint traces of ground markings, which he did not like whilst elsewhere. He stopped to listen to a subtle imaginary sound from some undefined point a muffled musical piping. He said not unlike that of the window. Mountain caves it somehow disturbingly different. The ceaseless by pointedness of the surrounding architecture and of the view distinguishable mural arabesques had a dimly Sinister suggestiveness. We could not escape and gave us intention terrible subconscious certainty concerning the Primal entities which in reared and wealth this unhallowed place. Nevertheless our scientific and adventurous Souls were not wholly dead and we beginning we carried out our program on chipping specimens from old different rock types represented in the masonry. We wish to rather pull set in order to draw better conclusions regarding the age of the place. Nothing in the great outer walls seem to date later than a Jurassic Period. Nor was any piece of stone in the entire place of a greater reason see in the pliancy Mage in Stark certainty. We were wandering a midst of death, which had rained at least 500,000 years and in all probability even longer. As we proceeded through this Maze of stone shadowed Twilight. We stopped and all available apertures to study interiors and investigate entrance possibilities. Somewhere above our range whilst others LED only into ice-choked ruins as unroofed and baron has the rampart on our Hill one those spacious and inviting opened on a seemingly bottomless Abyss without visible means of descent now and then we had a chance to study the Petrified Wood a surviving shutter. And we're impressed by The Fabulous antique Woody implied in the still discernible grain. These things had come from Mesozoic gymnosperms and conifers, especially Cretaceous psych hands and from ban poems and early angiosperms of plainly tertiary date. Nothing. Definitely later than the pliocene could be discovered in the placing of these shutters whose edges shown the former presence of strange and long-vanished hinges. You said seem to be varied some being on the outer and some on the inner side of the deep and braziers. They seem to have become wedged in place the surviving the rusting of their former and probably metallic fixtures and fastenings After a time, we came across a row of Windows and the bulges of a colossal 5 urged cone undamaged Apex which led into a vast well-preserved room with stone flooring but these were too high in the room to permit of descent without rope. We had rope with us, but did not wish to bother with this 20-foot drop and less obliged to especially in this thin Plateau are I'm great demands are made upon the heart this enormous room was probably a hall or Concourse of some sort and our electric torches showed bold distinct and potentially Starling sculptures arranged around the walls and Broad horizontal bands separated by equally broad strips of conventional arabesques. We took careful note of this spot planning to enter here unless a more easily gained interior were encountered. Finally though. We did encounter exactly the opening. We wished an archway about 6 feet wide and 10 feet high making the former end of an aerial Bridge which had spend only about five feet above the present level of glaciation. These aren't ways of course or flush with upper story floors. And in this case one of the floors still existed the building the successful was a series of rectangular Terraces on her left facing Westward that across the alley where the other Archway Ian was a decrepit cylinder with no windows and with a curious bulge about 10 feet above the aperture. It was totally dark inside and the archway seemed to open on a well the limit table emptiness. He debris mainly entrance to the vast left hand building ee easy yet for a moment. We hesitated before taking advantage of the long wish chance. I thought we had penetrated into this tangle of archaic mystery are required fresh resolution to carry us actually inside the complete and surviving building the fabulous Elder World whose nature was becoming more and more hideously playing to us in the end. However, we made the plunge and scrambled up over the rubble into the gaping and brazier. The floor Beyond was of greatest slaves labs and seemed to form the outlet of a loan High Corridor sculptured walls. I'm serving the many in our choice which led off from it and realizing we probable complexity of the nest of Apartments within we decided that we must begin on a system of Hare and Hound trailblazing hitherto our compasses together with frequent glimpses of the best mountain range between the towers and our rear had been enough to prevent are losing our way, but from now on the art of Shall substitute would be necessary. Accordingly we reduced our extra paper to shreds of suitable size these things in a bag to be carried by Danforth and prepared to use them as economically as safety would allow this method would gain us immunity from straying since there did not appear to be any strong air currents inside the primordial masonry if such should develop more and more papers oblige. Give out we would have course fall back on the more secure the more tedious method of rock chipping just how extensive a territory we had opened up. It was impossible to guess without a trial the clothes and frequent connection of the different buildings made it likely that we might cross from one to another on Bridges underneath the ice, except where impeded by local collapses and geologic riffs. For a very little glaciation seem to have entered the massive constructions almost all of the areas of transparent ice had revealed. The submerged Windows is tightly shut art as if the town had been left in that uniform state to the glacial sheep came to precise the lower part for all succeeding time. Indeed one game to curious impression of this place had been deliberately closed and deserted in some dim by gone a on rather than overwhelmed by any sudden Calamity or even gradual decay. Then the coming of the ice been foreseen that a nameless population left en masse to seek a less doomed to boat. The precise physiographic conditions attending the formation of the ice sheet at this point would have to wait for a later solution. It had not very plainly but a grinding Drive perhaps the pressure accumulated snow cones had been responsible and perhaps some blood from the river were from the bursting of some ancient glacial down the great range. God help to create a special State now observe a bowl imagination could conceive almost anything in connection with this place. And this my darling ends our reading chapter 5. I hope that you are able to rest well, and they're very sweet and creepy dreams. Good night. Good night.

ASMR Reading You To Sleep: Soft spoken ASMR with thunderstorm in background. At the Mountains of Madness by H. P. Lovecraft, written in 1931. The tale was originally rejected by the magazine Weird Tales for publication, but was eventually published in 1936 when an editor picked up Lovecraft’s tale for Astounding Stories. The story takes place during September 1930 where a group of wary explorers find themselves in disastrous conditions during an expedition in Antarctica. Told from the perspective of Dr. William Dyer, the tale is reflective of Lovecraft’s fascination with the Antarctic continent and his unfulfilled desire for exploration. A special thank you to Kyle, @PostCubicleKyle on Twitter for recommending this story as our next Lovecraft read. Now sit back, close your eyes, and relax as I read HP Lovecraft’s At the Mountains of Madness to you.

Just wanted to take a brief moment to give you guys a little idea how we do it here at paddle and fin podcast. We use the anchor dot f m-- recording platform super easy distributes our podcast too many many different platforms. There's creation tools to allowed you to record and edit podcast right from your phone or a computer check out anchor dot f m orDownload the free anchor app to get started. Welcome. All right, welcome back to another episode of The Reel down. I'm Brad Hicks and with us tonight. We have Jason bro. She won the Lake Lanier kbf Southeast region Trail. How you doing? Jason? Good good stuff, man. As always Sam Jones here. Well, not as always but it's the second time. How you doing Sam doing well doing well man. It's tough. So let's start this off by letting lister's know who you are where you're from. What kind of kayak you're fishing from and what you're involved in. All right, Jason brooch to live in Bluffton South Carolina in kayak fishing since 2007 started Tournament Fishing from the kayak 2010 been fishing out of a ho be out back since I've since 2007 fish kbf series official Hobie's I'm in the past. I fished IFA redfish Chi Trail just about any tournament I can do. I generally try to do them. Yeah. All right, you have any local trails that you fish not not really yet. I pretty much pursue right now mainly kpf and hope he's okay cool. You serve on the right fish thing. I was planning on doing it this year, but the some of the tournament dates overlap with some KB K BF events or Hobie. So and it Not doing them. I finally figure out how to get some red fish around here. So not getting back into it. That's a bucket list thing for me. I've never done that. So I'm hoping to get down there get out on the bona fide and try and try and catch something. Thanks. And yeah meet you there is a bulldog of the Fish World. They if if I only had one fish to catch the rest of my life, it probably probably be a redfish or a big sea trout. That's awesome. Okay, okay Smallmouth guy myself, but I love some small mouth. So let me ask you this then. All right, K BF Pro Tour kvf redfish crotch, or you can only fish one the prizes are the same on each the entry fees. The same recognition is the same. Which one are you choosing? I probably still go with the bass route. What's the reasoning behind that? I think it's there's more Challenge and a lot of different Fisheries you get the opportunity to go to you have to be Diversified and that versus red fish. I mean you got your grasp lat like ill grass habitats down in Florida. You got your Morris grass-type habitats or Easter. From Jacksonville on up to I don't know Maryland and that way so you kind of know once you learn redfish you have that pretty much doubt in I guess what to look for but versus bass. I mean it's so Dynamic changes throughout the year old things. Yeah. All right, very cool good stuff. So let's get near up past tournament successes. Have you had any other major wins or notable notable Place finishes. I've made it to the kbf 10 event three years in a row one one other trail kbf trail before I won the challenge championship for kvf and 20 2017. And when I play tournament back in the day, I won a few online challenges some charity tournaments things like that all in all I think I've I've almost hit the 50 thousand 50 thousand dollar Mark in winning this but wow without since 2010. I mean there's you know, obviously guys and kvf food. That's what Champions they they got that beat most of them. So, that's all Nothing. Nothing say well, you know shy away from though. That's a sixth grader number is so you have fish to the National Championship the last three or four years. Yeah. How did you do last year terrible at Caddo or terrible and Louisiana three fist first day and then bad second day. So my best I guess 2017 with the 20th 2017. I think I managed eighth-place tenth place and like the two different concurrent tournaments. They had and 2018 Kentucky Lake God. I should I should have had it won but it just wasn't my day fish came off and it was it was bad. Yeah still man is like 60 60th something Place. Kyle got a check but I should have bigger tags. Yeah, that's always nice week for home a check though. Yeah, especially those long tournament you have to travel for. Oh, yeah, so I did a little Facebook creeping. I noticed you were I noticed you studied fisheries and Aquatic Sciences. Yeah 2009. I got a masters from Auburn 2014 finished a PhD University of Florida Fisheries Act. Otic science is but my focus has really been aquaculture trying to figure out better ways to form fish essentially worked with a lot of different fish over the years when I was at Auburn I did channel catfish blue catfish other freshwater fish and I moved to Florida at shifted more towards marine fish different Bait fish species ornamental stuff. You'll find in aquariums Dory things like that. So can you credit that those studies to your successes and Tournament Fishing? Not really, but I mean Having done so much research and like riding so much you learned in literature research. You learn to find things. So there's certain Fisheries out there and regards to like bass Fisheries. I mean people have studied it pretty extensively one example focusing on like let's just say seatrout back in 2010. There's the IFA tournament coming to a certain region in Florida, and I knew nothing about it. so I got on you know, Google Scholar trying to you know, just look through some research papers and I fell when it was on spotted sea trout spawning aggregations and they did a study in Tampa Bay using acoustic monitors to go out to look for these drum and sea trout which they do they're in responding ritual and they said all these receivers in Tampa Bay and they showed it within the paper where they put the receivers and where they got the most pings essentially where they found a big-ass aggregation to see So I'm looking at the map and going. Well there seems to be a lot of sea trout in this area. Maybe I'm going to go fish that and does my third eye if a tournament ever done ever fish every four and ended up winning that out. I mean, it's a handy stuff like that can be beneficial. And that less one instance where I would say it's helped me just learning the be able to find more information Beyond getting on the Internet just going, you know to lead a been fishing for Toledo Bend hotspots kind of take it a step further. Yeah, right it I didn't know if that like fish Behavior was part of your studies or anything like that. So I thought that would have been interesting to hear your input on that and Tournament Fishing. So I generally have the Opinion that fish are stupid and you got to do is find them but finding them to me finding them is the hard part. It's the other way around the fish think we're stupid. I'm pretty sure they do some of the stuff we throw at them. They're like, no not today. Yeah, this thing's smart. Absolutely. So let's talk about the mental side of thing that so and tie that all into your tournament crap. So, how do you How do you sort through all of the information? What kind of routine do you have? How do you prepare mentally for your next event? It starts with you notice basic internet searches. If it's a fishery, I've never been to get on the internet. Look at fishing reports current and from the past try to find those General descriptions. What fish should be doing this time of year what to look for maybe a certain part of the leg to focus on check out Google Earth get on there. Look at images current images and even historical images where Lakes have been drawn down so you might find Structure you can look to see how vegetation has changed over the year the where it's there is common areas where its prolific has been prolific, you know for 10 years or more. So you notice good chance of finding certain types of vegetation. And then the main thing is just having at least one day to pre fish and check out all those different spots that you know, you narrow down to just basic internet searches. So on your single day of pre-fishing, right? There's not a lot of time. You know, that's eight nine ten hours depending on when the cutoff is so on a single day free fishing. Are you trying to hit two or three different grants and just kind of cover and water or are you trying to break down a particular area and really dial it in if for every day of pre-fishing though, I'll hit two or three areas. And ideally I'd always Like to have at least two days of pre-fishing but with new job and everything, it's maybe one day appreciating pre-fishing or none at all. But one day I'll try to hit two or three spots. There's high potential spots. I think should be good and generally what dictates me picking a certain spot tournament day is quantity first and make sure I get a limit and then if I got quality somewhere else, I'll go try to get this bigger fish. But in terms of kbf and other series that for me, it's past few years at all been about points. So making sure I always have a limit for that. Very good, you typically only fish one ramp on tournament day or you someone that's packing up and going it depends on the tournament. There's been the most I've ever moved to during a tournament. I think I've tried four different spots during one tournament and I caught a fish at every spot and it was just one fish per spots. But right there, I guess till last last spot there was two fish but Generally, I like not to move but it had moved as many as four times during tournament true. Yeah, I understand. There's a few guys that travel miles just to get two spots. Like that's crazy Cody Milton's known for that. He'll move he'll move fast. Yeah. Yeah. He's another good stick. Yeah. So now we're talking about pre-fishing a little bit. To get into how pre-fishing went for the Lake Lanier tournament. Yeah, I pretty much had one afternoon of Capri fish it coming back from Lake Ouachita that Sunday before I stop there and you know reading all those fishing reports is all about deep Waters spotted bass drop shotting and spooning and all that and I went out there and I tried it try to find brush piles try to find good dogs with brush piles around them, but Five hours of fishing. I had one solid bite and that was it didn't even lend one. So that's all the pre-fishing I got. And after that I figured I should probably just go to the river fishing. My strengths shallow water and just know whatever happens happens. So you mentioned Rivers. Do you have a preference rivers or lakes? I like a I would say Rivers more but yeah Chattahoochee to New River where there's a to awesome Fisheries. Yeah, I feel like our rivers are a lot different than the rivers you guys fish down there and we got a diversity in the Southeast for sure. Yeah. That's awesome. So you prefinished two days, you said Just one day one day. Okay, so ours is shhhh. Okay, so it paid off at least. Yeah, I could yeah looky there ended up being fished here. I almost had second thoughts at The Rim before I even launched like maybe I should just go somewhere else. I heard on another podcast you're throwing a crankbait all day, right? Yeah little striking 1.0. That's my bread and butter. Like I know it'll catch a bass where Whether it's 8 inches or and case of linear, I got a 20 and a half on it. So it'll get a limit most places. Gotcha. So tournament day you start out you go out and fish how fast did you have your limit? I didn't have a limit until 11:59. I got my fifth fish. I got the first fish about 600 650. So 20 minutes after we kick ass. Next Caper came at like 8 o'clock and then one at 10 1 and 11 and one Friday at 12. And after that I had two or three more Keepers, but one was upgrade, but I'd have to limit till 12 so it took a while. Yeah, give it a small fish in between. Yeah. So I I like to ask this question to quite a bit of people because I live in Ohio and our legs are a lot different and down south. And what exactly is the was the water temperature down there? Actually in that part of the river, I think. I want to say it was 78 79. It was pretty pretty cool. Okay, see that's pretty comparable. I was out on the river last night. It was 77 last night up here in Ohio. Yeah, the main Lake pre-fishing though was it was in the 90s? Whoo, you guys are fish deep for that Jason you were talking about throwing that that 1.0. What are you just we just covered in water? You know cruising down the bank with or were you targeting specific things and pretty much cruising down the bank if it was a lay down or stick anything like that. There wasn't much hardly any current but it's slow flowing. So any any thing I found laying down or sticking up I cast it at it and I did find one little hundred foot stretch bank that had a lot of fish on it. Probably call it almost almost ten or so. Got one of my 17s there. But yeah, it was I mean casting out of everything and there was a lot of things that didn't have any fish. But yeah, if it was something I could throw out through at it drops you okay? Very cool. So I guess what was the water Clarity there? It wasn't wasn't great maybe a foot or so I'd say. Okay. What color crankbait were you throwing for that natural Shad. So it looks pretty much just like a Shad pattern which I like I like keeping everything natural like I don't like bright colors. Yeah. It's part and dark. It's got to look like a fish or look like an an animal. So I got you. Yeah match the hatch type thing. Yeah, and I shads going to be found everywhere. That's why I like that color. So yeah, that's true. So how much does water Clarity play into your color Choice doesn't sound like it does much. No. I'm not like when it comes to color. I keep it simple. I don't deviate too much from a Shad color pattern. And in terms of in terms of his crankbaits going to be Shad color. I don't like chartreuse ones. I don't like, you know, it's bright ones or anything like that same way with ChatterBait will which had a Bates. I'll throw a white ChatterBait all day long. And yeah, I could fish almost every tournament without five lures one of those natural Shad crankbaits and natural Shadows deep diving if I needed it depending on the weight reg hat ribbon tail worm a white Chatterbait. And I think I'd be sad that was so deep diver were using naturally it gets down 3 to 5 feet. Okay and some situations though all troll it get it 200 feet behind a boat fifteen pound test line light leader 8 pounds or less. I can get it to hit 10 to 12 feet. And for that big fish. I was actually throwing back to the boat ramp. Just to go to upload my for fish just to make sure I got fish uploaded and she hit it when it bounced off a rock. So that's awesome. But everyone every other fishes shallow 3 to 5 feet get stuff interesting so Sam, I know you had a question Forum regarding the tournament and Scott. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I was just kind of curious, you know, I got to be a spectator and kind of watch, you know, the stuff that was going on social media around that event. But, you know Scott future, you know, big fan of him and his buddy at We talk from time to time and I was just curious like how was it being there during the event and the atmosphere because that was kind of special, you know, you don't typically get to see that kind of exposure for the Anglers and the tournament and obviously when you got a guy like Scott there who's a genius at marketing and media you get a lot more exposure. So what was that like, it's good, it's good ham. Um someone like Scott who wants to get Anglers out there and their recognition and I mean, he's he has a lot of excitement when he does it. So he I think he attracts a lot of people viewer wise and sponsor wise good great photos. He's taking a lot of photos of me doing events. Yeah, he's doing it. Well, he helped obviously with near with linear, but he also was there at Chickamauga and he did it pretty good. That live stream as well. Yeah, I definitely think he's setting the example of what you know, it should and could be at these events. So, you know, I hope I hope others followed suit and all these TD's man that Chris it's a tough gig and putting those events together is not easy. So shout out to all of them, but I definitely think I think Scott brings a different level of excitement to it's pretty cool. I don't know. That's going to be a common occurrence former night. He he made it sound like it was pretty hard work and it wasn't for him. Yeah. Yeah, I think he'll let somebody else get a TD and staff to run the video. Yeah, that's awesome. So we got a few more questions here for you before we let you go. I like the I like that ask this to all of our guests. So you just kind of fish. Can you run through your routine of catching that fish and submitting it to leaderboard because Of a budget new kayak fishermen listeners and people who are new to the tournament scene. So we just like to get that information out there for the listeners. Yeah. So with taking a photo, I've got it down to where I can do it in less than a minute from the time. I met that fish if need be and it's something like that. It's all a matter of keeping everything in the same position in your kayak that way, you know exactly where it is. Oh Neta fish. Left hand holding it reach back my right hand grab the ruler. My phone's right there under my seat open that box get the phone get the photo app already ready to go put the fish on the board take the photo. Make sure I get it one nice, you know, very far overhead when the first couple pictures I'll get I might have my hand on it, but generally when I submit a photo, I don't want anything in there but fish the board the identifier, I don't want, you know anything. Come up during judging like oh I covered out or did something to make it a super clear as possible. Make sure always get one of those photos. We just spoke with a clay Henderson. He said the exact same thing about that. No hands picture. Yeah. I think it's that to me. That's a critical one and you know, a lot of people wonder how do you get it to not flop? I mean the Largemouth for the most part depending on where you at their no chill out, especially the bigger ones for yep most of them. Spotted bass for whatever reason they were the most sporadic fish you ever put especially ones from light to Coosa River even worse than smallies. I would say so I think wow I got Fish Lake Erie last year and the big small mouth will big 18 inches. They were pretty calm when the board a little guys are spunky but it is calm down a spot of any size is crazy. It's that's interesting. Actually Steve Weiman, he fished Lanier's weekend and he caught a 20 and a half inch Lord's mouth didn't like few minutes later. He called a 20 and a half inch spot and it flopped out the board before you get the picture. So yeah, that sucks. Yeah, so I have one last question for you is I mentioned we have a bunch of people who are new to kayak Bass Tournament Fishing you have any type of it type of advice to give them for somebody just getting into it somebody like about to enter their first first tournament and just just take it slow and enjoy it for a while. I mean, it's don't have high expectations. Like how are you going to be out there and just whoop everyone and win every time because you're gonna lose sometimes not too bad. Sometimes really bad. I've lost a lot of tournaments. I've zeroed. I've caught one fish. Yep. Just get out there. Learn it. No, learn the routine get good at the basic stuff. You need to do taking those photos making sure you followed all the set times and all of that just understand. How each tournament Going to be ruined just get good at following. The rules and the format of what you need to do and after that you can focus on getting better at fishing with spinning with time on the water. You're going to get better at that just go out there and enjoy it pick the right kayak for you whether it's supposed to be bona fide native. Whatever is going to be just just enjoy it. Definitely that is good advice right there. So that's all I have for tonight is Sam you got anything else you need to add? No, I think I'm good man, awesome episode. So it was good talking to these guys and definitely some cool insights there. So yeah, I'm good. Awesome. We appreciate you coming on Jason and I'm sure we'll hear more from you later for later on in the future tournament definitely rooting for you. All right, sounds good. Thank y'all for having me on yeah, no problem. Have a good night. Y'all to see ya. See ya. All right guys tourney recap time man. I know what your guys favorite part of the episode. So let's do it. We have results from five tournaments this week. I believe and first one here is Ontario kayak bash Trail. They had a tournament on Seymour Lake August 17th. The winner of that tournament was Michael Morin with eighty eight and a half inches. Second place was Brian Morrow with eighty four and three-quarter inches and third place was What's 83 inches, but John John riccardi if I'm pronouncing that right? I'm sorry if I'm not but yeah, he placed third with 83 83 inches and then Zachary more and big bass for the tournament at 20 and a half. Ice that's a pretty pretty decent little gap between 2nd and 1st there. So yeah, five and a half inches Michael solid job there. Definitely second one we have here is the Moyock fishing series. Those are our good friends over there in the Missouri. They had a river Team Challenge, August 17th, and I think it was I believe it was individual tournament as well as the team tournament, but I focused on the team tournament this time because I've covered interesting. I've covered their Trail a couple times this year. So the winner of that one What was the Deeks layers of Brandon Price and Evan Matthews? They had a combined score of a hundred sixty seven inches. I think that was And a single day 10 fish limit. Yeah. Nice. Okay dinks layers. I like that. Yeah, actually I do have the individual stats here. I didn't realize that the winter the overall winner was Brandon prince. It's crap, man. I must have messed this up. My bad. Yeah, Brendon Prince, I'm sorry 84 and 3/4 in second place with Devin Matthews eighty two and a quarter inches and third place was Eric Brantley with 80 and a quarter inches. Big bass was a ritual up Richie Lowry with twenty one and a quarter inch bass Missouri fishing, man. That looks like looks like some pretty good fishing out that way. I don't know what while River they were on I was about to about to ask that but I don't I'm not a hundred percent sure on that. Okay. All right. So what's up next Mountain State? Yeah, we got Mountain State kayak Anglers Championship. That was a two-day tournament August 17th, and 18th. First place was are Infinity with ninety two and a half inches. This was a three fish limit both days by the way, okay, okay second. Place was Blaine Winters 1991 and a quarter inches third place with Stephen green with 90 and a half inches and big bass with to Aaron Finney with a 22 inch bass further both days. All right. So where's Mountain stayed out of I don't know what I believe that is Virginia. What West Virginia so 9250. What's that one? That's three baths two days. It's like 15 inch average right there. Yes, yep, six finish not like that. So they do make a they do a catch some big bass out that way though. For sure. Nice. Next one we have here is the KBS kbf Southeast region trail series at Lake Lanier Gainesville, Georgia, that was kind of a tongue twister and that is that is and this was actually a reschedule of man. Yeah. This is a makeup event for one that was Canceled and was kind of a bit of a controversy. If I remember right? Some guys are pretty pretty upset about that. But this was this this is ran by none other than Scott Scott future. Yes. Here's a TD for this event. So I got to see some of the goal Ives that we're going on there and there's some pretty cool shots were taken and coverage of that event. It was neat to see so definitely pulled away with that one. Oh, that's right. Jason. You guys just heard from yeah, okay, he won with fifty five and three-quarter inches. All of them are single day later, very solid. Second place was Tony Yang with eighty five and a half inches. Third place was Barry Davis, which is a bona fide team member a four-and-a-half big bass with Robert Harris 21 and a quarter. So seem like a pretty good day. I'm pretty sure there's quite a few people that were going back and forth for big bass on the hour, I believe. So that was a that was a fun one to watch. Yeah. Yes it was. We got Mountain State kayak Anglers Northwest Arkansas series. They had a tournament at Table Rock Beaver Town, August 17th. The winner was Cole Sykes with eighty three and three-quarter inches. Second place was Dwayne vanity, which we all knew who he is. He's always 77 inches third place was Jeremy van with seventy three and a quarter inches and big bass was cold. Sykes with 19 and a half and that was a natural state kayaking leash, right? Yes. All right. There was a there's a couple of those guys that's on the stage at the FLW cop. Yeah strong English coming out of the coming out Arkansas. Yeah. I saw I was watching that leaderboard and I saw Duane Bailey up in there. I'm like that dude. That dude is a hammer man. Well one of my fellow fellow Will Kuwait team members, Garrett Morgan. Finish very well in that have been as well and he is a natural state kayaking later fishes that club as well and he's a stick that he was he definitely had a shot to win the thing. He had some some troubles there at the cup which is drive or he may have may have been even better. Definitely and then the last one we covered last four from this past weekend was Maniac Anglers, they had a tournament Wilson Pond, August 17th. The winner of that one was Chris Ellis, which I've seen his name a few times over the last few months. So big stick out there he won with eighty three and three-quarter inches second place was Bradley. All wet I guess I don't know how you pronounce it. So again, I'm sorry 80 he also had eighty three and three-quarter inches. I forgot about that the time the top three here were within a quarter inch of each other third playful Jae kyung with eighty three and a half inches. She had the top two guys tied and then the third place guy was a quarter inch behind those top two. I'd like to see the results for the rest of that. Yeah, I got the link right here. We pull it up fourth place was 81 and 3/4. So fifth place was 81 and a half and then the rest everybody else was 70 and blue. Well sitting on a blue. We got a few upcoming events coming up this weekend that we're going to cover and if you guys are in the area get signed up to help grow these tournament Trails man get more anglers in these Trails. So the first one we have here is a myo kayaking leurs. They have a tournament in built, Belleville Lake, Michigan, August 24th. So they jump back and forth. From Michigan to Ohio every other tournament I believe in it's a good it's pretty good trail. If you're looking for good competition. There's there's a bunch of big names. Are you got Eric Siddiqui in there Jeff Durbin. He's on the Loveland canoe and kayak team with me Steve Hoffman. I know I'm missing a few other guys, but I'm sorry. Yeah. No, I hear those are great Advance. I'm not been to one of their Live Events. I was hoping to get you some this year, but it's time. Hasn't worked out with the national level stuff, but interestingly enough Brad the first-ever kayak event. I fished was online my ho last year. Really? Yeah. Yeah. They had some they had some online events last year and I signed up for a month-long and I was the very first kayak event I've ever fished. How did you place? Oh, you would ask for that. Well, I will tell you this I would have done very well, but I had some fish dq'd because I you know, when you first start out you make silly mistakes and you don't read the rules all the way. So I had some I had some decent fish dq'd and so I think I I think I finished and like the About 20 maybe yet 20th. But yeah, it's like 80 some inches probably that's not yeah. No, it was good. So no it my first kayak fishing tournament. I ever did I well my second. My first one I got skunked it was bad the second one. I ever entered though. I won that tournament and my biggest fish the mouth was wide open. I'm like, I'm a new new guy in like I have guys still making fun of me over and I'm like man, give me a break. Well, that's better than me doing. So what I did was I caught these big fish and they were flopping all over the place. I couldn't keep keep him still and I was worried they're going to jump out of the boat. So I had thought I'd read in the rules to where you could take the the measuring board in the fish and put it on the bank and take your picture. Oh, yeah. Well you can but your kayak To be in the picture and mine was just outside of the frame just so yeah, but you know that that stuff happen. So all right with a next one next event we have here is another Midwest permit Trail cut Cincinnati kayak fishing Trail to have a Tournament paint Creek State Park in Ohio, August 24th. They run a great thrill out there. That's my trip. That's the trail of been fishing mostly all year. And I enjoy it all the guys. There are some good competition out there. Yeah. We have Kurt's myths out there. He's always placed in. Hi Bert Hoss. I don't know but if you're in the Cincinnati area, you're listening man. Get signed up head out their pancreas one of the most Flakes and Southwestern Ohio for sure. So I always enjoy going out there and fishing. Yeah, I can meet up with you guys out there next year. Definitely. We actually had one of your guys well few your guys come out and fish of bread also while came and fished the first event with us this year Kalin Lake. All right. Yeah Brad to stick to yeah, I think he did pretty well if I remember correctly that day on to the next one. We have Indiana kayak Anglers. That's what your part of right? Yeah, that's that's in my neck of the woods right there. Any other kind of game Lotus and not just Indiana kayaking like this is actually a satellite event before the Hobie Series. So this is a Hobie bass open satellite. This is a Toc qualifier. This is one of the biggest kayak events in Indiana every year fishing the White River it is kind of Jim here a little known secret that's not such a secret anymore big small mouth coming out of it already. I've seen the guys practice and in fact, you know, my travel partner Alan Reed posted up some 19's and 18 yesterday. I mean just studly Smallmouth coming out of this small little river here in Indiana. So yeah, they're they're kicking that thing off Saturday morning, you know, you've got that the Ika event for the Indiana kayak English Trail that's their final stop and then you know that's partnered up with the whole be bass open series. That's going to be an awesome event. Jason Young does a great job with that and I'm excited to see excited to see what what Pops Pops off there. You know, you got some big sticks and some young guns that are going to be tough Jackson or yeah one of those guys you're going to have to watch. For so it's going to be it's going to be a fun event and I'm super bummed that I'm not going to be able to make it because I couldn't get off work. So I think I'm going to go go and try some Indiana Trails next year. I think that's gonna be my goal. Yeah, we've got a lot of them here, but this two Staples are going to be Indiana kayaking lers and then the syak group Southern Indiana kayaking English Club are the two Staples there. Here in Indiana and run some great events. So yeah that water looks good out there. Let's move along move along. The last one here. There's a kbf Trail West Region at Clear Lake in California. I don't know why I geek out so much about California bass dude, but every time I see one that pops up and I'm like dude. I love watching these tournaments. I don't know why I don't know if it's because Greg Blanchard and and Miller are in it or what but if you don't know who those guys are they're like two of the biggest like kayak Bass fisherman in the state of California. So I always geek out about California bass fishing and So I'm just excited for that one. Look we think this and I think we all do your talking like Any cash can be an eight pounder out there on most of their bodies of water and that area so many sticks come out of the west, but we don't always hear about them, you know, because it's everything's so much centralized here and in the Midwest and the South and bass fishing that me you got big names from not only from the kayak side, but the bass boat side to that come from out there, California and Arizona and I'll tell you what, so I lived in Arizona. A little while and I've got I've got some friends and some staffers in California. And that is one tight-knit group like tight-knit group and they camp out all together, you know, they they all fish together regularly and that's awesome. Yeah. It's a cool group out there. So I'm excited to see see the results of that one as well. Even their small tournaments that Arcadia Trails they bring in like over 75 guy. Guys, so yeah, lots of good things good tournaments. Look forward to this weekend. So if that's if you're into that kind of thing check that out, that's all we got for the Recaps. I believe you will be hearing from Jackson or next so stay tuned for that. All right, everybody. We're back with the one and only Jackson or how you doing Jackson. I'm doing great. Thank you guys so much for having me on the show. How are you guys doing? Doing good, man. Yeah, we appreciate you coming on so I talked about that having me. Yeah, man, we're excited to talk about this this event you got going on and I'm excited to have you on the show another fellow accuser Here Local Hometown Hometown hero here in the state of Indiana. Thanks for rushing it. So yeah, it's exciting to have you on man all that means more than you know to me the sound from Ohio and I even I Know Who You Are So thank you guys. He's been crushing it for a while now and I hear he's he's heading to the TOC. Oh, yeah, that's ink I missed it by one spot on Kentucky Lake and that was like originally that was my main goal this year and I finally got it on Sinclair. So I'm super excited to go to that one in November. It'll be fun. Awesome man. Well, let's talk about this event. You got coming out because was this is a big deal and you know, this is this is an awesome tournament that's going to be able to give back to some good folks and some people that are in need. So once you wash talk about that because we've already got quite a few people signed up. I was looking at it earlier today, but the only want to make sure that we can blow this thing out of the water. So tell ya that that'd be so cool. So two years ago. I was just kind of sitting down and thinking about like how fortunate and blessed I am. To be able to do what I love all the time. And I mean, I've had a very blessed career. I guess you can say fishing career. And so I just wanted to use my love and excitement for this Sport and give back to others who aren't as fortunate and do not have the opportunity to chase their dreams. So I came up with the idea of having a charity tournament and my dad and I both he helped me come up with the acronym catch. It means kayak and Anglers together can help and so saying that I truly believe that like the kayak fishing Community can all come together and sign up for this tournament and give back to others who aren't so fortunate. So absolutely absolutely like I said, I think we already got 34 people signed up and you know, we still got plenty plenty of time for everyone to sign up. So when is the event Jackson and when's the deadline to sign? Up. So the event starts September 13th at 6 a.m. And the deadline to sign up is just right before that. So 555 and this is or 559 and this is all in Central Time in it. So, like I said, it starts September 13 to 6 a.m. And then in September 15th at 7 p.m. In Central Time, and anyone can fish it whether if you want to fish or just donate Canada Waters or are you United States waters all public Waters lakes or Rivers? So basically just any public water nice them Canada boys are gonna be bringing some big Smalley's. Yeah, mr. Tim Percy, and mr. Rich off near already signed up and I know they're going to hit st. Clair up and get some good one second LG's, right? Yeah. Jaclyn will signing up to Oh, I'd appreciate that. Yeah, no problem. Dude. That's awesome. So, all right. So I finish this event and I am lucky enough to get first place. What do I win? Yeah. So since all of the money will be donated to Charities. I actually got some really amazing sponsors on board for this tournament. And right now I have over 1,000 dollars in prizes to give to the top 10% of the field. So It's it's going to be awesome and sponsors keep jumping on and reaching out to me and it's just it's a I'm just truly fortunate to have so many supporters and it's just amazing how we can all come together as one and help others who are in need. That's crazy. Good man. Well, let's do this. Let's give those sponsors some love tonight. And let's let's shout those people out. You got that list. Alright, awesome. Yeah, so we got calcoast fishing on board fishing online bass and magazine. I actually Want to say something about them real quick, but Brad you will from Bassin magazine is actually giving everyone who signs up for my tournament a free subscription to kayak Bassin magazine. Well, so that's true. That's really awesome. Yeah, and then we have Eagle Claw trocar think Corey rods Picasso lures that's module. Drydock Marine tourney tag by you bug jigs strictly sale and Heck Tennessee Valley kayak Anglers Ram mounts. And of course, mr. Julian Wally from tourney X. I just want to give him a quick. Thank you real fast because he is allowing the Tony x five dollar fee to be waived. So people only have to pay $20 for this tournament which isn't that much at all and then money mouth baits, which is a local Fort Wayne company and then Compass Adventures Outdoors And that company is actually it's it's not really company. It's actually a group that helps sons who don't have a father. So they're all of the boys the fatherless boys are going to come together and donate some of their stuff and make kind of a little mystery box. So that's kind of cool. And then on I am, mr. Storm from Dakota lithium on board as well. So I'm very blessed to have These sponsors for this tournament and I'm excited to see who receives some of these prize packages. And that's great dude. This is a perfect example of what this kayak fishing Community is all about and what these bras that are supporting it are all about and there's something leading the charge on this and it's ripped. I'm really impressed by you and you know, you know, mr. Jones. Yeah, dude, it's awesome what you're doing. I really love it man. I heard about it a few weeks ago. I'm like man, we got to get this guy on the podcast hype this know, I really appreciate it. My goal is actually to get a hundred Anglers because I really want to raise $2,000 to go to Charities. So a hundred Anglers would be more than amazing last year. I only had 47 Anglers for my first year, but I'm very confident this year that we can get to a hundred. I had we need to start promoting it man. It's only a few weeks away. So yeah should be able to get that easy. Hopefully. Yeah, I'm in right now you got to sign. Yup pounds in nation. That's this is a big event rather you'd rather you can get out on the water or not that weekend, you know, 20 bucks to sign up for this and and to support this cause that's that's huge. So, you know, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that at paddling and Finn we're going to we're going to be able to throw in something on that as well. So fortunate support your cause so I appreciate you guys. Yeah. And it will get together as a team and we'll see what we can do to help support you and get you some more prizes for for these Anglers that are signing up for this awesome event. Thank you guys. So go back to last year. Do you remember who want exactly last year Mr. Hudson one a Carl Hudson? I'm believe he's from Mississippi. I could be Mississippi or Missouri. I could be wrong, but he put up a hundred two and a quarter inches, I think so. He caught some big fish last year and then I'm pretty sure AJ McCord or caught big basa tournament at 22. Answer so he caught a pretty big one as well. Yeah what there's some pretty pretty big names already signed up for this. Oh, yeah. It's so awesome to have like some of the big names on the leaderboard. I'm excited to see where this tournament goes and who all signs of it's just been so incredibly awesome. Yeah, I mean and it's going to be you know, obviously the charity part of it is it's is the focus here, but it's also an opportunity for for some people who may not typically get to fish again some of these, you know bigger names to kind of show what they can do, right? I mean you got pro-level guys on here. Oh, yeah big names in the industry altogether Scott Futures on here. You got Mike cheetahmen children Tyler Cole. Let's see Christine Fisher. You know AJ's going to be in it. You got Dusty yaker. There's a top-10 guy from The Cup right there just won the championship up in Michigan, you know? Yeah, here's a man who's Sam Jones. He's going to be one to watch out for got just a host of names already signing up and that's awesome. Awesome. Hey, so, You're giving to Charities that you have any charities in mind that you give to for this event. Actually, I did have seven Charities that so how I guess how this works is the top 10% of the field. They're not going to receive their money prizes, but they do have the opportunity the money like the money that they would of one is now there's to choose out of any charity gun. They want to choose it was But a couple days ago, I actually change that rule. So I'd rather have people fish for like what's most important to them and what means most so I'm just gonna I changed it to any charity. They would like to donate that money to and then they'd receive a Prize Package. Like I said earlier awesome. So I mean just to make sure everybody clear on that page the event you place in you said that top three right top 10% I'll top 10% of the field instead of getting a check cut to them. You're going to cut a check to the charity of their choice. Yep. Perfect. That's awesome. That's awesome. Roku I don't have anything else. Yeah, I just want to thank you guys so much for having me on this was an incredible opportunity and I just appreciate you both. Yeah, no problem. Dude. It's nice meeting. You too. Yeah, it's nice meeting you as well. Alright, well everybody make sure you're following Jackson on Facebook so you can get updates on that so you can obviously find the event on tourney X wool will post up a link to that on our socials as well. But did you guys Combined that thanks again. Jackson is nice talking to you. It's good talking to you guys. Thank you guys. Yeah. So this is the part where we do our sponsor shout out before we end the episode. 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And Ingrid de la marck any I'm the CEO and founder of the method she's also my wife and she's the smartest woman I've ever met. First of all, she's my mom and she's really cool. She's all that and she's a Superhero. This is the part of my French podcast. Yeah. Hi everyone. Welcome to episode 17 of pardon. My French not 17 is my lucky number. I was born October 17. So it is no surprise and I promise you it is definitely definitely a coincidence that I would bring on my dear friend the beautiful Lauren Everts Bostick from the skinny confidential on this episode today and please Don't think of it as an interview. I don't even think of it as a podcast episode. It's more like Lauren and I was just sitting there talking to each other over the phone or on Skype sipping on our inulin coffee on are simply inulin coffees in our clear gangster Chic Budu mugs and just chatting it out. We talk business. We talk Instagram influence. We talk about how much we love our audiences we talked about How we met how our friendship has become a real one. We also talked about the copy cows. We had to I had to put her on the spot and we talked about wellness and Lauren's Journey with intermittent fasting exercising anything that you guys see on our daily lives. We pretty much touch and tap into we also answer some of your questions now if you guys Is don't know Lauren which is certainly unlikely. I feel I feel even so awkward introducing her as far as I'm concerned with my audience. She doesn't need any introduction Lauren efforts. Bostic is an incredible blogger. She's an influencer a businesswoman. She's a fucking Tycoon, but when you look at her she's also a bombshell she is badass. She also is someone that I consider Almost like an alpha. She's got a lot of masculine energy, which is something that I'm so attracted to because she looks at things in a less emotional way than regular women. Do she looks at it with a clear head. She's very level-headed. She's very mature. She's 33 years old. Now, you will hear it on our conversation. Lauren actually says she's 32 and she's convinced the whole episode that she's 32, but then afterwards she sent me a message and she Oh my fucking God you were right. I'm 33. Anyhow, as far as I'm concerned, she looks 20 and she will continue to look 20 because as we all know she is all into skin and she does a great job at us. She's gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous, but that is really not. All Lauren is about this a lot of brain and guts behind all that beauty. But most importantly she is someone that I have come to love that's become like one of my best And I speak to her almost every day and I adore her if you don't know her which like I said is very unlikely you will fall in love with her on here. And if you already know her, I hope this episode shows you a side of Lauren that perhaps you didn't know yet without further Ado to Let's dial in my beautiful friend Lauren Evert Bostick and let's just enjoy this literature. over coffee over simply inulin coffee Hi, Lauren. Hi. Thank you for coming on. Pardon. My French this is so cool. I know it's so exciting. I'm so excited to be here. So you are Lauren Everts Bostick. I can't forget the bus dig. You are first of all my close friend. You've become my close friend. I feel like most of my followers and my audience already knows you a lot of them have migrated from your community to mine. But for those who don't know you give us a small introduction. Yeah, I'm Lorna Barrett's I'm the creator of the skinny confidential. It's a Blog a brand new podcast a book. I started at eight years ago, which is so crazy. And I met Ingrid I think we'll get into it. I'm sure you'll ask me some questions, but I I.E met you on Instagram. I think six years ago kind of and we've become friends and we had incurred on our podcast. She shared her story. And so I'm so excited to be on pardon my French cool. Yes. I was on your butt cast for me. That was a huge breakthrough. Mint it's something that I've been waiting to do and I've been afraid of doing for so long, but I have to say that doing it with you and my call after our friendship became a real thing felt like the safest place for me to do it and you guys give me such a you know, such a safe environment and I do want to talk about that. I do want to talk about how we met how it's incredible to build a real relationship through Instagram. But yeah coming on your podcast with definitely something huge for me and it's changed my life and the kids life in so many ways so publicly even though I've told you this a million times I asked thank you and Michael so much for letting me come on and do that. Well, we loved having you on and I thought it was so cool. How you took your power back in the conversation and completely told your story on your own terms. And you know, I've told you this a hundred times that you know, as to me someone who doesn't have a colorful past it's boring like there's so many mistakes and adversity that we've all gone through when I feel like it gets you to where you are today. I mean, I don't think you'd be in the same position that you're in, you know in Monaco living this beautiful life. If you hadn't gone through that kind of adversity definitely not and it's definitely a way to look at it. Of course now in retrospect it's a lot easier to look at it that way but yes the podcast Told me is going on your podcast and telling my truth showed me that people have a way of not judging and understanding adversity and the way that it's gotten so it was amazing. I felt much closer to you guys. Also after we did that I appreciate incredible. Yeah someone else if we were high and on that picture, we weren't High we were drunk not drunk. We're Tipsy. We were Tipsy Tipsy on that picture. I think that was like right before we podcasted and we had gone to La Petite Maison and we had a lot to drink we had passed out also and we might have been a little bit tipsy. Yeah, which is why I fell in love with you to begin with because I think the French mentality and we'll probably talk about this is so different than the American mentality and not that one's better than the other but I just find so much. Sheikh - and and and and a lot of different opinions when it comes a to the way the French eat the way they drink even down to and we'll talk about this to like the coffee cups. You drink out of your hormones. Yeah, your God has different things that I've learned from you. Yeah, it's true and it's you know, I'd like you said it's not that American is bad friend. She's good. I have both nationalities in my Mentality and you know like you say with everything else when you give information to your audience. I kind of take the good of each and leave the bad like the French, for example, they're still good with everything that's at two cats and style and eating in a Chic way rather than you know quality rather than quantity fighing but for example, when it comes to the mentality, they closed minded they not as open-minded As Americans that's what I love about you you This open-mindedness each time. You come to Monaco. I said to Jill I'm like this so much open-mindedness there. It's so much fun. It's so you know authentic and open where the French were a lot more close-minded and stiff and maybe a little more judgmental. Well, I think that you and Jill are not like that at all. I don't I experience so you guys are so open minded. So I think you have the best of both worlds. We're both, you know, we're both raised in the states. She was raised in the states and so was I so I think that coming This is so fun. It is it really is I'm proud of you feel like you have both sides. I get what we need to convince Michael to move next door to you in Monaco. You know what someone send that question I have to find this question. Someone asks me in, you know in the form that we send. Someone said, when are they moving to Monaco? That was one of the questions Michael? When are we moving to Monaco? Then she make a deal with him about like having babies potentially. And you know God doing so only when you move to Monaco, I would love a summer house in Monaco. I don't think that's asking for too much now, you don't definitely don't ask for much. You can make it close by that be great also, so we can have our inulin coffees together your gossip. I'm actually having my email and coffee right now with cinnamon and a little Maca. Is that how you say it? Yes, my prince great and almond milk unsweetened. And that was a question. I saw so so many times we asked our audience has questions to ask us and everyone was asking if almond milk breaks the intermittent fast and I was saying that it was the one that the almond milk that I use doesn't break the fast because there's no sugar in it. It's just water and almonds that correct. It's supposed to be almond sugar. Sorry, I meant water and often salts like the planets milk that we use and that does not break the intermittent fast. You're absolutely correct. In the way that intermittent fasting is about arresting your digestive system. So anything you're going to be any liquid you're going to be drinking are supposed to not disrupt that rest. And I think dr. Gone tree when you came out on your podcast said the same thing that you can drink this you can drink that as long as it doesn't disrupt the digestive rest. So your people for you know, people that put butter in there in their coffee like the Bulletproof Coffee and they think they're intermittent fasting while the other is fact, so like sugar it's going to disrupt the fast but but like you said your almond milk is love as long as it's not sweet enough as long as it doesn't have any shit added you're fine. It's not disrupting anything and it will help actually withhold the fast until whatever time you want to do it for ya. I've been intermittent fasting you recommended it like five months ago, and I've been doing it five days a week and if anything like the thing I've noticed most It is I have so much mental Clarity it bouncing off the walls. It's true. I found that it worked for Dylan when he was much younger, you know, we was born in the states. Dylan's my son, you know that most of my audience know because I always talk about him but a lot of the brain got access, you know connection is is a thing and with Dylan I experienced it when you was super young each time. I give him breakfast because school used to send these notes. In America schools used to send these notes that your kids are supposed to have a healthy and heavy breakfast before they came to school so they could concentrate and so I fell into that trap and I used to obligate him to eat which he would refuse and each time. He ate he felt really sick when you got to school had to go to the bathroom could not concentrate got brain fog. So I decided to just not give him breakfast if you didn't want it and Mom you would be able to concentrate you had a lot less. Attention deficit symptoms. So this this goes to show you if it works for a child. It's definitely true for us. The brain got access connection is a real thing. It's been medically proven. Yeah, and I think that I think with intermittent fasting you have to be your own Guru, you can't like you can't take advice from anyone blanketly. You have to try out things on your own self talk to your doctor, you know, talk to your friends to see what other people are doing. Definitely at the end of the day you have to do what's right for you. And so far for me. I have liked experiencing except experimenting with intermittent fasting. I find that I'm way sharper. I have more clarity. I have a lot less bloat and I've noticed that I've lost a little bit of weight to so I think for me it's sort of a win-win I was I was waking up. I was rushing out the door shoving food down my throat while I was literally on the elevator, you know, I remember one day I was I was you know rushing out the door. My cortisol is at an all-time high. I'm stuffing a hard-boiled egg down my mouth and stuffing a GG cracker in it just to get it in and it was it was so stressful and I think with the you know my life like the second I wake up after my morning routine. It's like go go go go go. So to take the breakfast element out of it is actually been really therapeutic and relaxing for me. It's true. It is true. That is it's very connected with the cortisol levels. I feel like it's so great that you speak about that so often because you do have a voice people do listen to you. But what's the best about you? Is that your guinea pig? You try things out you don't stand by stuff just because they're a trend you try them out and some of them work some of them don't and you report on it in a way that is so objective. But before you started listening to my advice before, For you started working out with me. You actually just followed me on Instagram, which I think it's crazy. Yeah, so so we need to talk about that. I mean we did talk about it so many times but I filled it for those that are just jumping in and that don't know either of us, which is so difficult to not know us when you're on our Instagram always tagging each other, but we need to tell the story we have to talk about it on this episode. How did we meet Lauren? So this was like actually I think Instagram came out six years ago. So this is right when Instagram started and it's so funny because I DM do you have a picture of yourself with you and Savannah in the mirror of when I first told you and your Savannah's like I want to say she's like 12 or something. I fixed years ago. Yeah. She's just 12. She's turning 18. You're absolutely right. She was 12 and I was on our friend Nina Rob clothings page and for some Your name popped up. I think she tagged you in a leather jacket that yeah Warren and I went and I started consuming your content and just looking through your Instagram and there was all these like recipes that were so interesting and different you were you were using you were I don't even think it was GG cracker at the time. It was before like I don't it was so long ago. It was like you were I was using fiber crackers that I would fight at their Scandinavian fiber crackers that I would find it. A supermarket actually, no region crackers that I would find here in the supermarket that my mom used to use before me. I can't remember the name, but that's what I was using at the time. Yeah, I almost think they were like a baby blue. I can't remember. This is they were absolutely you're so right. I can see the packaging. I can't remember what they were called. I don't even know if they're still on the market and they weren't trendy or anything under time. No, they weren't trendy and you would show you would show your outfits and what you were cooking and I remember like six years ago. Adding everything you cooked and I thought wow this this woman is like it's a different you would talk about rice but it like was a different kind of rice and pasta. Yeah, and I went on Amazon and I bought all these different things from France. I like hack the system and then all these all these UK Brands. I remember this. I don't even think I told you all this I found you know, you've never told me about I had to like, I remember one time. Even tell you this yet there was like this one thing that you talked about. I think it was a certain kind of rice from France and I spent yeah 80 bucks on shipping to get it over and I was so intrigued because you know, my whole business is finding people online that are interesting and have something interesting to say, I don't care how many followers someone has I don't care. How famous yeah, and at the time I had like six followers, I think yeah, you know you had you had like I want to say you had maybe a thousand. Maybe something like that. I even think at the time I bought followers to tell you the truth. I was not a huge influence. Its I what I think you almost I want to even say you might have had blonder hair to me. I was I was a platinum blond and I do think that even at some point my account was Private because I had just gotten divorced. So it's like I don't I think you ended up requesting me if you were my friend because I was super private. I had just gotten divorced I was trying to To protect a little bit of my ex-husband's privacy with the kids moving hear people asking questions. But yeah, I was a platinum blond which is almost my natural color. I'm a natural blonde originally the hair you see me with now is not my natural hair color eye dark. I darken it what you were cooking. But what I was most attracted to That you would write out in the captions exactly what was happening so it wasn't like yeah, you posted a picture of French toast. And and that was that you would really really explain how to do it where you got it just the details and you know how detail-oriented I am so I followed quietly I think for like 4 years and then it's so funny because because I just felt like you were in France, you know, what are we going to do make a friendship like I did so one day a I'm at Eden Roc hotel and south of France and I'm sitting with Michael and this is probably like a year and a half ago. And I look over and there you are sitting next to me not next to me like a couple a couple tables down the tables of the husband and your mother and I'm like Michael. That's the girl. I'm a talking on Instagram for the last four years and it's weird when you when you followed someone and you know, their tips and tricks. So obviously the first thing I immediately did was I was like, I have to see what she's eating and you were eating I think you were eating greens and fish but We were drinking wine and I guess like half a piece of bread on your plate and you were having like a bite of pasta like it was very it was exactly what you had been preaching on Instagram and showing to us so I say hi. She's so crazy. I'm like one of which is which today I'm so pissed about because we could have been friends even sooner. I know I didn't say Hi and then I thought you know what? I think this is what happened. You'll have to remind me I said, I'm going to message her on Instagram and I think I messaged you I love your content. You messaged me the next days or maybe you were gone already and you wrote something. Like I think I saw you with your husband and your mother-in-law in Eden Roc the other day, and I love you content something really nice like that. And I remember answering you. That was not my mother-in-law. That was my mom which I remember it. So well because it's so sweet how she takes care of her people always think that he is her son. I think I think I thought that was your mother-in-law exactly. And so we started to talk. We I started to follow you and at that point I'm like, what the heck how does this yuge influencer? Follow me? How is that happening? And yeah, I started to get obsessed with your content and we started to chat a lot and the next step was to meet the next step was to me and we We just developed this relationship over Instagram, which I think is really cool. People say that's you know, that's that's weird. You met on Instagram or that's weird you met on Tinder or that's weird. Yeah. I'm at on Bumble whatever it is, and I actually think that some really interesting diverse relationships that I would have never been exposed to have come out of Instagram. You know, I have people like I have five people that I talk to on Instagram every single day that has become my friends through Instagram. I mean At my audience. I talked to all the time and I'm in contact with them and some of them have become, you know, like like friends of mine. If I saw them out I would go up to them and I think vice versa and I mean, I think the internet is such a powerful tool if it's used right exactly what I like text, you know over Instagram all the time. We'll send pictures to each other. It's exactly like a normal friendship. It's just New Age. Exactly and I feel like you know what you make a huge effort on Instagram to actually share more than you would if you would just next to each other or see each other quite often. I find that you and I have gone so personal because of the distance because of the fact that we were on Instagram you kind of trying to put yourself out there to get to know the other person more. That's what I do with my followers to but I learned that skill from you and I learned this thing that hey this is not a fan club. Followers are people and we're Community. It's not about them admiring me or me, you know kind of not following them back. You really taught me all of that. I mean, you can't you can't it happen Instagram and use it as a learning tool on both ends. I mean, there's been so many times that that readers have messaged me about tips and tricks from everything from charcoal sticks in your water too. Oh don't don't put your herbs next to your onion in your refrigerator, like little like tips that I would would have never thought that I picked up through Instagram and it's been such a good tool. So my advice with with this whole thing is that if you follow someone on Instagram and you think that you like their style you like their Vibe, but maybe they're across the country. I would still tell you to reach out. You never know what can happen. You can develop a really fun relationship, you know, we went out to Monaco and we visited Ingrid and her husband and it was so much fun and it was it It's such an interesting relationship. I mean, I always say like give me anything but don't give me boring and it's been such an interesting colorful friendship that's off the cuff and something different. So I would tell everyone out there who's listening if you admire someone on Instagram or you like their content and you think they're just fucking cool message them. Absolutely. Absolutely. I so agree with that. I'm so glad that you did that. You took that lip and also not finding yourself too important to do so. That's something I admire so much about you actually somebody in your questions as to how do you navigate relationships with influencer peers? And you have a lot of those that's a good question. I mean, I I'm I'm very careful about it because I think that this business can be weird sometimes and I think it can be interesting in the sense that sometimes it can be high. School like very high school. Yeah. I try really not to sort of succumb to that. I think that my main priority is my community and providing value and providing takeaways and I know I say that all the time but I'd be lying if I said anything else that's my main priority. It's not you know whose party I'm invited to or you know, what a launch event is happening or you know who I can squeeze into an Instagram photo with to get tagged on. It's just not My Prerogative it bores me. And if that's going to take me longer to like, you know, create my brand, I'm okay with that. I don't have any interest in just you know, putting myself out there in ways that that feel I hate this word but inauthentic like I agree do you know and if I develop a relationship with an influencer, that's really cool and something that I would like want to share with my audience because they're cool. I totally pushed that and I'll push it. Our time total Gemini like that. If I if I amazing with that like all push it out. I want everyone to consume it. You know, there's this one girl named Drew me from Fashion toast. And when I moved to LA, you know, she reached out to me and she sent me all these different places to go and was really warm and nice and looking at her. She's like this beautiful model that has you know, this amazing platform amazing brand. She didn't have to reach out to me. It was just really It's cool how she did and I wanted to share that with people that follow me because it's really it's I like when I meet an influencer that I really would want to be friends with in real life and that's so great. You know, I want to tell you something that I've never I've probably have never told you but I think I've hinted it, but I never tell you because I don't want to make you sad I don't want to hurt you but very often since we've become closed. We weren't always close. I think we become With time sharing certain things that we don't necessarily share with our audience as far as you know, a personal friendship and relationship and but very often when you see pictures of me and Savannah specifically your when you hear us on the videos and then when you went when you went out with us in Monaco, and you came to the house and then we went to suss Cafe together you often said to me you have the best mom daughter relationship. And you said I'm so jealous. And I know your story and I know that your audience makes knows your story as well because you decided to own the narrative. But when you said that to me, it was such a pinch and it still does it each time. You say it it pinches my heart and it makes me love you more and have this huge surge of affection towards you like I don't want to see motherly because I'm older than you but not old enough to be your mom. But almost like a big sister and I feel so attached. You and the more you say this to me the more I kind of want to take you and bring you in into this circle, as you know of love and whatever we have at home when you came. I think you must have felt it. Totally. I think the one thing that I the reason I'm so comfortable telling everyone that follows the skinny confidential to check you out to is because I think that I think you have a lot of warmth. And I and and I think that that's a very unique quality. I think a lot of people have strength, excuse me. A lot of people have strength. A lot of people have a coolness with that strength, but you have strength and warmth and I think that that is really unique and I'm attracted to that and I think you're a really great mom and that's your first priority and to see you sort of share that with all of your followers and share. You know what you're cooking or or just behind the scenes of your Only is really special but you also while you're doing it you also give so many takeaways. Like I've learned so many different things from your platform that I wouldn't have learned. And so that's why I'm so comfortable saying hey, like skinny confidential readers like you have to check out Ingrid and just like playing off that and we've talked about this a lot. I think it's so important to bring other people up like it can't just be the, you know, Lauren Everett show like blow my head off how you know, II need to have other people come on, you know my platform or my blog and and showcase what they're doing and look at different ways and challenge what I think and as an influencer, I think it or Creator whatever you are create or blogger podcaster YouTuber. I think the more you bring other people up the better that it feels in the end. That is something I spoke to you about two days ago. That's something about you. That is so amazing. A lot of people it's become the trend now in the influence of space and you know, there's social platform space are talking about women supporting women and Busby babes and you know, a lot of it is great. But a lot of it is just for show I find that you're very Millennial in that thinking I've seen you bringing on gorgeous women on to your podcast powerful women smart women women that if you wear my jacket, generation if you were 40 or 50 years old, you would probably feel threatened by because that's that's that's my generation and the generation right before me that's how it was the only you know, put people forward that work for them or that you know, where they consider to be beneath them in a way that they would never go and take the CEO that they should be looking up to and Shining Light on that person and you can actually bring people that you can please He admired that have may be accomplished more than you because they're older because they have a degree of some sort and you do not feel threatened at all. You feel so empowered. I want to understand how you do that because that's so impressive. That is so this generation. Yeah. I mean, I think that Jillian Michaels said to me she came on her podcast and she said she's shocked by this generation of how millennials lift each other and they collaborate instead of compete and she just can't believe it and I would attribute it to two things. Yes, it's our generation, which is really awesome. But also like if you're getting it the nitty-gritty of it, I think that it's this Instagram and social media is very much like you scratch my back or I scratch your back you scratch my back kind of thing. I think before social media, there wasn't anything like that. It was more having to do with you know, how much money you have. And now that's the narrative is kind of changed. I think social media like to grow you have to be collaborative. So some so some Millennials I would say it's sort of pushed you into the corner others are obviously going to be more collaborative than others. I think that if you're building a long-term brand with a foundation you have to uplift other people. I mean for me like ever since I was little I'm an overshare like I remember being too if I find something I like like the whole neighborhood's going to know I mean You know, I was like there the I was at the cul-de-sac of like 40 houses and everyone was at my house and I was you know, like on the Whiteboard teaching, you know science and then I would bring the next girl up to teach math. I was always very like I wanted to bring people together and I wanted to share everything that I loved. I've never been someone that's that it doesn't want to share what's happening. Like I want to share every detail and I think the reason that I do that is because If I think of what I would want, so when I started the skinny confidential I thought what is missing in my life on the internet that I would like to go to and I don't think I've ever talked about this on the on an interview but that's exactly the mindset that I had. It was like what's missing on the internet that I would want. And so that's sort of how the creation of the skinny confidential came. It was like everything I would want in one it was models. It was influencers. It was these people that I admired from afar getting them on one platform and sharing all their secrets and so that's always been so interesting to me and then I know how detailed I want things like you you know, like if you send me yeah. Oh like do this. I have like 20 questions for you. I want to know every detail. So I'm always thinking sort of as as someone who's similar to me is the consumer and you know, what and the thing that's amazing is that you haven't just built a community. Your community is unbelievable because they've not migrated to me a lot of them have my Really to me and they always have one thing in common is this kindness and supportive supportive attitude towards me that all comes from you. I guess your Vibe attracts your tribe and for you that is so true. But you've put people on the map you've put brands on the map. You've put me on the map as far as Wellness. No, that's not true. You're it is time you've recommended a lot of people to me to give I mean, you're you're doing amazing like I mean, you know what it It don't even take it that way. It's just you I know that you have tried it and you you say you say I've tried this this is working for me. But you have a voice that people listen to and the fact that you're so aware of that powerful tool that you have and that you use it in such a way is incredible. That's very nice of you. I do have to say the community the skinny confidential Community is fucking amazing. They are. Yeah, so great and I think the theme of It would be it's a non-judgmental community. If absolutely it's everyone is different. Do you believe what you don't like take what you like apply it to your own life if you like it and and and really do you and whatever that looks like. It doesn't matter, you know your gender and race like that is so true. It's do you the way you want to do to you and at the end of the day like the whole thing is be the best version of yourself and whatever that looks like is is fine and I think you know I can we look at the skinny confidential Facebook group with 40,000 women and it's so rare that there's a problem. I mean obviously there's going to be problems here and there there's 40,000 women in it, but it's very very open enough that Groove are like I'm on it there. So I love it and it's so cool to see because it's like these are all girls that I want to be friends with and going back to your question about influencers. It's like I have time to spend with people like there's so many. Women out there that I've met through the internet like I want to I want to tap into that whether it's meetups or Live tours are going to Monaco and doing a live podcast. You know, why you said one thing to me once and I think you've said it to your audience as well. And I think that's amazing you're so right. You said my audience is full of influencers. Everybody is an influencer and I love that. You said that a hundred percent you it's a losing Formula to put yourself as the captain of the ship and every single thing you're not going to know everything, you know, my audience is taught me things. Like I said that I've never not like I've picked up so many tips and tricks. I've had them on the blog. I've you know featured them like whatever it is, they they're all influencers and if you think of them like that and then you think of, you know, you maybe you meet someone like Erica of Urban Chic - who we both know she's a follower that both of us. And I have known and like such an awesome awesome smart driven Hustler that is constantly trying to be the best version of herself. She started out as a reader. She's become a friend, you know, we talked to her a lot over DM and she has had so many tips and tricks for me and you know, I know that if I'm giving sound advice and bringing experts on the podcast that have a lot to say and people are listening they're going to go tell 10 of their friends if they liked it. And that to me is influence. It doesn't matter if they're telling one person 10 people 20 people. That's it. Everyone has an influencer in them. It's not just people with a million followers. Absolutely. It's such a smart way of looking at it. But like I said, it's very Millennial My Generation. I'm 40 yours. Will your 33 right? I'm 32 32 gosh, don't let me add age to you, but you know my generation and the generation right before me so like Technically people I look up to because they started in the business before me they're not like that. It's very rare to find this like I'm learning from you actually surrounding myself with your generation and I'm your teaching it to me. I know that each time. We Skype to work out you always give me about 30 minutes and you asked me a lot of questions, but I get so much value from you. You're like a business advisor to me not too long ago. We were talking and You were asking me all about. I don't remember what maybe probiotics or something like that and then you said to me I have a great idea Ingrid you have to separate your product from the method because the methods the workout people are confused when I talk about in your Lynn do a page do an Instagram page with your recipes with inulin explain what it is with your products. It should just be separate from the method so people aren't confused and it's very funny because I listened and I shut up. And as soon as we hung up like the next day was a weekend. It was a Saturday. I sat on the couch for about an hour and I created that account and when I saw the results coming in right away from people saying oh shit. I was so confused not this all makes sense. Now, we have all the recipes here and like people started following it. I would like I told you I was sitting with shit. I'm like, she's so powerful. I don't even need a business manager when I have Lauren just Whispering a few tips in my ears all have to do is shut up and Listen to her. Okay, that's very nice that you say that but I'm going to call you out on something in front of everyone and tell and tell everyone something that you do that. I do not do that. I wish I did and this is like a this has value in it for anyone who's listening. So what Ingrid does so well, is she launches fast and adjusted adjust to Consumer feedback. So what he if she has an idea she executes on the idea immediately. Even if it's not a hundred percent perfect, which your stuff like is amazing, but as you've grown, it's not perfect. You've evolved the stuff like, you know, when you first started you were doing England out of the blue jar and now it's like this Chic black beautiful jar that you want on your kitchen counter. So the takeaway here is that if you have an idea and you're waiting around for it to be perfect and trust me, I have perfectionism Syndrome from a visceral level. I understand. It's better to just put it out there get the consumers feedback and adjust accordingly and you have really really done that with all your products. You've put it out there. You said this is what it is. It's a good product and the labeling is changed or maybe now what you bite is changed or you added travel packs or you start you've watched the consumer and more importantly in this is like so important for anyone that's doing product you've listened to the consumer and you know talked to the Consumer and I think that when I eventually launched product which has taken two years because I'm a perfectionist and I am right now. I'm tapping in to the audience every day asking them questions seeing what bothers them seeing what they don't like seeing what they like seeing colors they like and when I launch product I'm going to involve them in every single step of the way whether it's like how something feels or how it looks or whatever it is. I want them involved and I think that you do a good job. Job of marrying that with launching fast and adjusting accordingly, which literally gets Michael. So horny he loves when people do So yummy. Yeah, Michael and I are very very compatible in that sense. Very compatible. Would you notice that it's that's what you tell me. I think we really get along because even my colour so compatible in certain aspects of Life. Totally you guys have the same mentality like, you know, Michael watched your media with one show on his Network and now it's turned into 35 shows growing growing growing and you know, they they partnered UTA which is the big agency. Oh, that's amazing. I'm a huge fan of taking an idea putting it out there and seeing what sticks and what doesn't and just adjusting as you go. So if you're out there and you're listening and you have an idea put it out there. Yeah, don't do what I do at did and wait I waited a year to launch the skinny confidential because I wanted it to be so so perfect and looking back eight years ago. What I launched was not perfect, but then it looked perfect to me. So perfect is relative. It's Ever going to be perfect. I agree with this. It's you know, we spoke about it on the podcast where I had Tracy Clark on and you know who she is. I know you listen to that podcast, but it was all about people talking about manifesting and reading books like the secret and just sitting there and waiting with positivity for things to happen and she's not like that and she mentored me a lot throughout all of my progress with my my life my profession all of that and she always said she And you need to manifest and then you need to come up with Creative Solutions for everything so great to manifest. But if you want a business, the first thing you should do is make a website. You don't have to give the address to anybody but make the website. It starts existing already. Give your company a name give your company description. I completely agree with you. I mean II think that that and if you can't make a website, what you should do is you should microblog through Instagram and you don't even probably know this but you are a great example of someone who started their platform through microblogging through Instagram. I don't have the fucking know what microblogging it I if I'm so funny because you did it. You didn't even know it's basically where you you use Instagram as a Blog and people then fall in love with you through anger and Graham account which then has you create an Instagram story where your where your microblogging through Instagram story and then they love you so much that you end up creating a Blog. So I think there's not this one-size-fits-all formula. If you're out there you're listening and you're like, this is so overwhelming. Where do I start start an Instagram account with your idea and start using the captions and all that space to write and get people to get to know you put really beautiful images up and then people fall in love with you there and then you move it to Instagram. Story and then you know from there potentially launch a website or a Blog it doesn't have to start with something first or second or third. You can get creative right now with social media how you launch things. It's good advice. You know, what speaking of which I don't know if you're aware because you just woke up, but for me, it's already 7 p.m. Here. They was a glitch with Instagram where a bunch of us have lost a lot of followers overnight. Okay, so I think I lost about 200. I think Neta said she 400 you might have lost some some really famous people lost up to a million followers and I don't know but two three years ago or six years ago when I bought followers when I first started I would have flipped out. But today it did not even affect me. I was like, you know people that can see my story today will realize that they no longer follow me. Somebody wrote me two days ago and said, I didn't find a story from you. I really got worried. I was like where is Ingrid and then she went looking for me and she realized she wasn't following me anymore. But I want you to speak about that. Like it's not a fan club. It's not like a contest how important it is to have a lot of followers. Yeah. I mean first of all is Instagrams going to do sweeps. That's what happened is they do not they do a big sweep. They do it probably every six months so they go in and they sweep out all the Bots which are like Rome and it's great. Yeah, it will it clears out all that. It's like Most like think of it like spring cleaning your closet they come in they they wipe out all the Box they wipe out fake followers. They Wipeout accounts that haven't been used and they do it in one sweep. So that's why probably a lot of people are affected and the celebrities that lost a million followers. It's because if you have 20 million followers, you know that it's again. It's all relative. Like the percentage is that they lost are probably equal to everyone else's so that the bottom line is today. You even if you realized it, I don't hear you flipping out. Why aren't you thinking? No, I don't. I don't I can't put energy into that. I wake up every morning. I have my and I talk about this all the time, but I think that it's important as I have my cell phone battery charge of energy and you have to really be strategic and methodical about where you're putting that energy if I woke up this morning got out of bed and thought Oh my God. I lost some followers that is first of all raising my quarters. All which we can talk about not yeah, and we will it's putting my energy when I need energy for this podcast right now. And then after this we're going to work out I need energy for that and then you know, I have a meeting for four hours to do finances after that. I don't have the energy to give to that and if you notice and anyone who's listening if something really really upsets you and next time something does really really upset. You notice how much energy it takes from? Day and the second thing you make the correlation of holy shit. This is taking so much energy from me. You take your power back and I always talk about stoicism because that's helped me so much. I really try not to worry about things that I cannot control. It's a pointless worry. It's taking my energy away from my community my platform my business my family my friends in a way if you start to think about it like that. It's self. Fish when you're allowing things like that to take energy. It's selfish and on you and you should readjust the self-talk. I literally the followers thing if I read an article on that this morning, I would have read it shut down the computer and like moved on like I don't even want to think about it. I don't care. There's nothing I can do. What am I going to do? Exactly. I always say and I said it in one of my podcast, you know concentrate on the things you can control and control them. Well, yeah and the ones you can Troll just leave them aside. You want to talk about perfectionism go ahead and just control the best you can the things that are actually under your control and that gives you so much power. So I can't agree with you more. I want to ask you some follow-up questions. Somebody asked you did in treated eating always come naturally to you to actually to both of us or was there a struggle at some point people know about me. I talked about it on this podcast all the time. So how about you Lauren did intuitive eating always come naturally. To you. I'm not I've never had an eating disorder. I definitely experienced being pressures in high school like where I live. Try not to eat as much to lose weight, but I never experienced a full-blown eating disorder as far as eating intuitively. Yeah, I mean, I think my parents I think it starts with for me. It starts to my parents. My parents did a really good job of not giving food power. So like food was always something that we enjoyed my parents owned a restaurant. It was celebrated. My mom cooked really great meals very similar to you how you are, you know, very A full presentation every single night five days a week sometimes even seven so I didn't give against food too much energy. I do think that that as Americans we tend to overdo it and overindulge. I think if I had grown up in France or Italy I would have a different relationship with food than I do Living in America. So, you know, I would say that eating intuitively intuitively guess I eat intuitively but I do think I could be better. I do think that you use intuition because very often you can send me a message about certain things and then I speak to two days later you say, you know what I was kind of wondering about this, but then I just decided this and not so you do have the intuition but you do is as well as you research. So once you're in form, like now, I see you going to the farmers market because you have all the tools to understand. Exactly what to look for and then when I look at your grocery list, I'm like I'm amazed. I'm like, wow, look how much you done with intuition. So you do have it. Well, here's the thing about me is I'm always open to learning. I don't think I know it all and I think that I'm really lucky that I have access to experts like, dr. Gundry the food babe having you on the podcast. There's all these people around me. It's like having like a team of people and I've learned A lot and I'm constantly learning like I do not think I know everything about anything. I'm what when you watch my Instagram story and read my blog. I'm sharing my journey and what's like, what what how I'm experiencing life through my eyes, but I certainly don't think that I know everything and I don't want anyone to think that I'm just sharing what works for me at the moment. Another question for you. This one is tricky. So this one says Lauren used to be all about collagen and I know Ingrid is against it. Is she now against it as well. I mean, that's a good question. I don't think I don't think though if the word is against it. I think collagen like you you have to be your own guinea pig like again to give a blanket statement about if I like collagen or not if I'm making a smoothie while I put collagen it sure I'll put collagen. It do I see what you're saying though, like with about collagen. Yes, I do and when you and you if you want to give a brief synopsis of what you say about college and just so everyone knows so I'll tell you I'm against it in the sense that you'd cannot take collagen to produce collagen, you have to eat certain things that will enhance your collagen production and that's not collagen because technically collagen could only be injected into you. But not absorbed through collagen powder. So a lot of the times also what's in this collagen stuff and I showed it not long ago. There's less kitchen and there's soy which is a problem for women that are in estrogen dominance and all of that stuff, but technically as a French person the French mind where we're carnivores and we eat butter and we have olive oil and we have whole eggs and we're not afraid of this food because we know they are good for us. A lot of these fatty acids that America is So afraid of so because they don't want to have all these real food they go and substitute for stuff that's called collagen powder but collagen powder is not going to produce collagen. So I prefer as a French person to say eat some meat, you know have some fatty acids have sesame seeds. I have things like that. This will boost your collagen production. This will enhance your ability to to build collagen because that's a natural way. That's the way We brought into this world that you can eat something over taking something that's always the way to go for me. Like if I can eat something with collagen. I'm all about it. You know, the main problem. I think we run into As Americans is we don't have access to the same kinds of foods that you guys have if I lived in France, you know what I take supplements. I don't I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. I mean if I'm getting everything in my food, I just think with America. It's Hard to get the same things that you guys get so you I mean again like you have to test it on you and see if it works for you. And if it doesn't move on, I think again you have to do your own research needs to try it on yourself talk to your doctors talk to experts talk to people around you talk to your friends and and do what works for you. It's a good it's a good way of looking at it. I know you always say that and this is very good way of looking at it than I agree with that. I'm not against it one more question and then you're going to ask a question because I know you got a bunch even though II picked some of yours as well because you sent them to me. I have to do this. I'm sorry some few people asked so I'm going to formulate it in the simplest way possible. What do you think of the Copy Cow? Or how do you deal with a cupcake? How how do I deal with coffee cows? How do I deal with people that copy on the internet? Yeah, that that first of all I think everyone is going to be inspired by everyone. I think that that's how the internet works. I do think that you know, when you are on a platform you're going to get copied. It's part of the game. It's like business. It's like running a business. You're going to get copied. And I think you know when I've had someone that you know, we had to send a cease-and-desist to on the internet there was literally copying pasting my content and putting it on her blog and you know, it's hard when you work so hard on something and someone rips it off like that. It's really hard my advice for, you know, people that are copying people on the internet it would be to not give it energy. Like that's that's what I wouldn't this girl was literally taking all skinny confidential content and and and the pictures and whatever and putting it on her own platform. It was it was upsetting for a minute and then I thought okay. I'm going to send a cease-and-desist which we already have on hand very easy and hope she stops and thank God she stopped because I didn't want to have to keep pursuing it. I mean like literally copying and pasting like, you know, eight page blog posts on her on Platform and I would say to I in a way it kind of gets me off because it pushes me to keep evolving my call. Yes. That's how I look at that's why I called it a copy cow, you're aware of my situation. You've supported me through it. You you've told me your opinion about it. So obviously you made me feel very validated and you're very supportive. But for me, I called it a copy cow instead of copycats because I actually milk that shit the fact that this this person was constantly copying me. I remember you and I did the YouTube video here at the of us making day kneeling coffee and other time. I was not I didn't put my I didn't have any Newland brand yet. I was recommending my manufacturers brand and you said to me you said Ingrid your copycat is going to take in Ulan for sure unless you do something about it. And so it motivated me. Say hey, you know what? I know where to find the best in you land I've experimented with so many of them. There is no way this bitch is going to come around and make it our own it. Lauren is right. And so I milk that fucking cow and decided to give me all the energy that I could to create my product and to come out with the best possible and literally she's always like two three weeks behind me. Sometimes a little less the coffee mugs and this and that That I mean the recipes and sometimes a whole section of a newsletter that I wrote about cardio and and each time. She does now. I'm like, okay either I get really upset which I do because you know, you feel violated like you work so hard on your content, but then 10 minutes later. I look at my small team and I look at Susan is my director of operation and she's like very calm and she's shaking her head and I'm like, you know, what if she's copying us right now if we made cupcakes and a week later. Two weeks later. She's making fucking muffins. We need to evolve into better. That means we're late and that's what I do. So you're absolutely right. And that's why I called it a copycat because I milk that shit the more she copies me the more I'm going to go do better. I mean, I think that like everyone has the unique perspective to bring to the table and like the best thing to do with any of this it like to begin with. It's just collaborate again. I wish I wish it was that smart so many it's so many different. Aunt perspectives and brings so much to the table like we're doing this thing on on the podcast called round tables where we bring different perspectives on and you talk it out and some of them like, you know, don't agree like, you know, but some of them have similar theories and they can come to this table and they can talk about their different perspectives in a respectful way. I think what you're going to see in 2020 2021 2022 is people realizing that there's Power in numbers and there's power and coming together and creating stuff together solutely and I've really seen that through the podcast and I know that you've seen it through your podcast to it's like the more the merrier like everyone's welcome at the table. How can we how can we create something? How can we create content? That's fun for an audience to consume that showcases different opinions, but also has similar opinions, but look the perfect example is Kim Kelly and I we do do not have the same disciplines at all. You would think I am against a type of workout that she does but I actually am not because she has a very soft way of working this this type of Fitness disciplines and now we're collaborating and she's carrying simply inulin. I love her and I love everything she stands for and everything she does and that's incredible. Yeah. I hope that the eye my goal for 2020 with the podcast is just continuing roundtables and continuing discussions. Respectful way where everyone brings their opinion and and and again everyone's going to have different opinions. But some are going to have similar opinions. That's that's probably my advice there is like collaborate not compete. I love it. So if I put you on the spot on the spot and censored, who would you put me on a round table with Oh that picture. There's so many different directions. You could go. I mean you would be funny with Scotty. Tuna who we just had on. Yes, he'd be hysterical you it depends what what the conversation was if it was wellness and fitness. I actually think you and Kim Kelly would be interesting because you guys share so much of the same opinion, but you also have different opinions and let me see not everyone's going to agree with everyone. That's the beauty of the internet in mind. But the thing is with Kim does a lot of respect and I love her. Become very close friends. So the respect is a place where you can sit and talk. Yeah, I think you guys would have a really interesting conversation because it's almost like she's the American version of you and your the French version if you were to live in America and if she were to live in in France and be so different, but at the same time you guys have similar ideas. We do you work out with her you work out with me and I'm very very happy with the way she compliments what I do and I hope she's happy with the way. Way, I compliment what she does with you. The result is amazing. You look so good. Yeah, I love working out with both of you guys you both do low resistance like, you know yesterday or the day before yesterday Kim and I were working out with a towel perform. We've worked out with those like the bands that go the band. Yeah, and that's like low resistance and then was what I do with you with the bar is low resistance. So it's yeah, it's different workouts. It's like, you know, I also think of where Go instead where you live in the world. It's going to be you're going to have different influences. Its worry America. If you're in France Michael, I feel like I need the book The Best of Both Worlds get on it summer house in the south of France near us do the house. Next door is still up for sale. By the way. Oh my God, it's okay. It's okay. People know I just called you an and it's just like really wrong the casual conversation. It's not deer media. Polity sound yet soon. Maybe soon. Do you want to ask a question from one of your followers? Sure. All right. There was so many good questions. They were. What do you do? This is by Chelsea Reva. What do you do when you get cravings for unhealthy Foods, so you go first. I get creative with everything. I don't deprive myself if I want something. I find a creative way to eat it and that could be anything from taking a GG cracker and putting you know almond butter on it and a couple, you know dark chocolate chips to having Ingrid's inulin bread. It's like a we just bought these Bagels holders and muffin pans and you can make like the simulant bread and you could add boysenberries. Or you know a good one is making waffles or pancakes but making it more of a healthy way. I don't know if I have a sweet tooth. I'm going to indulge the sweet Tunes. Yeah, I do too. I first of all if I really didn't want to be eating because I have another workout coming up or something like that. I'll try first and yelling coffee because it does hit the spot. It does such eat me. But if I really have the munchies like you said, I'll eat the girl. I like dates. I know that they get a bad rap because they're sweet but a date hits the spot for me or I live love a date. I know you love a date or I'll have a brioche. Like you said this continual in brioche. We have one one is enough, you know, the French mentality is all about quality over quantity. So it's not about making something healthy so you can have more it's about making something healthy that will hit the spot that will hit my saturation hormone my leptin hormone in you know in the right place. So just one will make me happy and satisfy me. So I make them and we keep them from actually two three days. And if anybody has a sweet, you know craving we go for it, which is go for it. That's what I do. I think you have to balance your diet like a checkbook for me having sweetened almond milk in my coffee is not worth it. Like I don't care about no, but I care about having pasta when I'm in an Italian restaurant and I care about having chips and salsa and margaritas when I'm at a Mexican restaurant, but I don't like it if I'm at a Japanese restaurant. Don't like I'm not I don't care about the desert there or I'll do no rice. So you have to kind of almost sit down and write out what you care about when it comes to food the foods that you really, you know want to indulge in and then the ones that you don't care so much about so, you know, I don't need five gallons of salad dressing on a salad I could do all of oil and champagne vinaigrette and some lemon and I'm completely satisfied. In fact, I like it better, you know when it comes to alcohol, I don't Need the sweet mixture in my drink. I'm fine with lemon and lime and you know, maybe a little bit of Honey or something, but that's that's completely satisfying to me, but you better bet your ass when I'm going to you know, France I'm stuffing my face with bread. So it's like you have to you have to just pick what's like your non-negotiables and now gaining raid, by the way, because you told me even when you went to Switzerland, you said I had bread and I did not get weight I bread and pasta and drink so much wine and I was completely unpacked. I ate a Berliner every single day stuffed with raspberry jam and didn't gain one pound. It was if I like that in America, I would gain 10 pounds in a month, but you know what? I think that yes the quality of the wheat and all that stuff has a lot to do with it. But I do think that the quality of your mindset at that point the fact that when you're in America you go to Dunkin Donuts, you have a donut which you know is already very processed not the same quality flower whatever as friends or To learn but also what you put behind it as far as your feelings right as your cortisol levels and brings insulin resistance into play. And so just the thought that you've put to guilt you put into eating it makes you gain weight. Whereas when you're in Switzerland or in French. I like to know what this is all good stuff. It's what I'm supposed to do. You're so relaxed about it that you're not emphasizing the weight gain by bringing your cortisol levels up. Does that make sense? Absolutely. I totally I mean I'm like Like I'm Carefree when I'm in France, I'm not worried about the sulfates and the wine, you know, it is a disadvantage. It sucks. I wish that there was some someone that could could bring all real French Italian products here. And you knew exactly what you were getting. I mean because I struggle the struggle is real. It's true and one more question before I let you go. Actually we have to go work out. So one more question before we go work out. Oh, you want me to ask it? Okay. Yeah, it's one of yours. I give you a bunch of wonderful ores God. There's so many good questions. We talked about how the how it the milk doesn't break your intermittent fast. Yeah, we did someone wants to know our morning routines and you can start with yours. Okay. So my morning routine is going to be different depending on how I start my days the four days a week at the moment, but not much longer. I train a client. I trained some professional athlete. So I wake up very early to train them we need It's now I'm going to interview you what time exactly so professional athlete is usually going to start his training around 7:30 or 8:00 o'clock in the morning. So I'll wake up super early and those are usually the days that I liked to do intermittent fasting because it's just much easier than like you said run out the door, you know with an egg in my mouth or whatever and on top of it. I want it. I want to work out on an empty stomach to burn fat for fuel. Okay quick. Are we talking? A five or six are we talking to 6:30 or 7. So we're talking 6:30. I'll leave the house around 6:30 to be I'll make my very important so I don't wear makeup when I go work out with professional athletes obviously, but I do my hair nice to make myself feel good. Make sure that I'm wearing a really nice workout outfit because it helps with my motivation. So when people say how do I get motivated go buy yourself a few cute outfits to go work out with because that's a very motivating. I know that if I'm wearing a new Pair of neon pink leggings from Nike or whatever. I'll I'll feel better. So I'll put something chewed on I'll do my hair shower put my are borean cream on my face and the glow I love the herb Orion glow cream. I think I got everybody addicted to it because makes me feel like I'm wearing makeup, but I'm not and I'll make my inulin coffee and at that point I will just run out the door and go work out with one of my athletes. That's really Early in the morning that I can't really do much more at that point. And yeah, yeah my coffee my water and I sip on my coffee as I drive to work. So by the time I arrived there I'm feeling full and saturated and I have a very clear mind. I feel very performant and I work out with my client. So I work out a few hours in the morning. That's not going to last very long because I will no longer be teachings as of March 1st. Can you speak on that? Well, actually you you talk about this all the time. Sometimes you have to know how to say no to grow your business and I realized this tuna my business was growing beautifully in so many directions and I wasn't needed my brain was needed a little bit more than my body. My body's a little bit tired. I have to admit so I've learned to delegate a little bit more. So I have someone that I trust enormously that's becoming a business. Partner because I feel that's the only way to really motivate someone to treat the company has their own that's going to take over with my practice. So training. My clients. Lauren is the only one I'm keeping with another person. That's very close and dear to my heart as well. But yeah, so as of March, I need to be on the field a little more and working out a little less. The only thing I will keep doing is training Professionals for certification to certify them. Um and open franchises all around the world. I hope but it's so exciting. I also foresee and we haven't even talked about this and you can edit this out. If you want. I also foresee after this conversation a simply gangster Chic website launching suffering. Maybe maybe I think we have two people have been complaining about the fact that it's difficult to shop on the method website. So I do think we might just migrate. Shopping Parts with different website. Yeah, I mean, I think it's like I think you've created this this Fitness brand now you have product and I mean you've created the Instagram account and I think it would be really really pretty and cute as an added addition and I haven't even talked to you about the so you can edit this out if you want, but I wanted it out why we still we still standing but you know, you know, I listen to everything you whisper in my ears. But yeah, we've been even thinking about that just not getting to it because like you like I said before this is not enough. Enough hours in the day is to devote to training clients and you know also developing the product. So I've learned to delegate Susan who is my director of operations at the method who I met through you. That's how she knew I was looking for somebody so that's amazing. She used to follow you and then she started following me after you came to the south of France and I was looking for someone and I put it on Instagram somebody to hire and she came and applied for the job. She got it she became my director. Operation and she's taken a huge load of my back. So she's amazing. I know you like her too that you deal with her a lot. I like her a lot. I love her bracelets. I actually just took a picture of them. I'm going to put them on Instagram story today. Those have an amazing story and for breast cancer survivors. It's definitely worth a story. I agree. Yeah, she's very sweet. And I feel like she has just added so much value to your business. She has kids she's changed my life. She's changed my business, but she's definitely you know, She's also like an asset in my life. She's one of those people that is like this quiet voice behind me. But has so much power at the same time. She's a soundboard. I value her opinion. She's important and I love that. Yeah, you do a really good job of making people feel important. You've always done a really good job of that and I think that she feels like she's part of a family. So you have to tell us about your morning routine - boring. Yours is a little more interesting. Well, I I have anxiety and I believe that that with anxiety you have to find preventive ways to preventive measures to not get to the point where you're freaking out. So everything I do in the morning it has to do with a ritual of making sure that it doesn't get to the point where I feel so anxious and again that's going to raise my cortisol. So I feel like it's a win-win I am I asked you like 10 times if we were recording the podcast after the workout or before you did. I'm just not I'm not I'm I'm my sharpest at night. So my morning routines really important I and I'll just do it very quickly because it's also on my Instagram and I don't, you know want to bits on your podcast. It's on your Instagram, but people love to hear it and you explained it very well. So go for it so quick. So I wake up immediately open the blinds I think light I don't you know, I don't like sunlight on my face, but I like light in the room. I do like light immediately because it tells my brain time to wake up. Meditate for 10 minutes using headspace or Tony Robbins priming session. I like to be walked through meditation. I can't just sit there. I need someone to walk them through it. So I use those two apps then immediately I'll have tons of water and I started to realize that I wasn't absorbing the water because I wasn't drinking mineral water. I was drinking plain just playing water. So I ordered Mountain Spring Valley water off Amazon and I'm drinking mineral water in the morning if this is a problem for you, and you don't have access to Neural water you can put pink Himalayan salt in your water that really helped. I like lemon in it. I like to do a huge thing of water. And then I like to get up and throw on the same clothes. I throw on every single day. I don't want to think about it. I'm unlike Ingrid where I work out on Skype if I worked out at a gym. I think I would put more effort into it. But the only two people I see are Kim and Ingrid, so I feel like they've seen me at my worst. So it's not a big deal. And you look amazing. So you're so full of shit just stuck and I do not check my phone at all ever in the morning. And if I do it, I'm telling you it ruins my whole day. I don't want to check my phone. The only time I'll check. My phone is to talk with the people. I'm Skyping with that's only that's the only time I want to check my phone. So I wake up I get up I walk to go get coffee. I get a black coffee and everyone says why don't you make coffee at home because I want to get Get outside and I want to walk for five minutes and I want to just listen to a podcast while I'm walking. I only like to listen to podcasts that are uplifting. I don't want to listen to gossip or entertainment. I want to listen to something where I'm learning you or something inspiring or motivating and so I get my coffee and iced tea and sweet and I come back to my house and I got just got this white frother and I froth my almond milk with the cacao in English. And cinnamon and you could get creative Ingrid says Ah Chuan gone amok out whatever you want to add and it's broths it right up. I pour it on top of my coffee and I take my coffee and my water and my T3 drinks downstairs to my mat in my room and I start to set up the Skype situation and I like to work out and you know drinking my water and my coffee as I work out and then afterwards it's Off to the Races like I I literally schedule a conference call the second. I'm done with my workout because I I want to be able to get that work. I work out in but then I think immediately when I'm done I have to start my day sometimes so weird with my morning routine. Perfect. And it's everything you say is true because I see it. The other thing that I love about you is that you always take the time like 15 20 minutes that are already reserved right before the workout to actually have human contact with me. I know you do the same with Kim and that's so nice because that is important for yeah, that's important. But before I Skype was Kim or angry we take 15 minutes, you know, 20 minutes to have like coffee talk and exactly what you just talked about like Everything from intermittent fasting to you know, the foods were eating too like what's happening life. Yeah, just just having like human connection that is important. That's something that I do and I find go doing Skype is so much better for me because I don't have to get up and get like fully ready and I don't have to be running into people or driving to the gym. It's just like right in my house and the second is over. I can pick right back up into my My business life so it saves me a lot of time to it's perfect. One more question before we go. It's a quick one today. I actually put another small short video of the Vlog that we did in the south of France because someone had asked to why did you get Michael to chase you for eight years and we act we had that conversation. Do you remember we had that conversation? It's in the Vlog. And you said yeah. I had Michael chiefly for about eight years because I just felt like It would be a right thing to do. Someone wanted to know why you got him to wait for eight years before getting ready like Michael and I dated when we were 12 13 14, and then I went off he went off we did our own thing. We both went to high school. We still like, you know would make out every so often or see each other, but I was to understand we were in the same grade and when you're in the same grade in high school, it's not appealing for the girl. The girls always going for the older guy. That's just how it was that my high school. So having someone in the same grade that was chasing me was like, oh like that's cute. It was like very like eventually I was always trying to go for a guys, you know to two years older than me the cool guy the seniors whatever so I think because of that Michael saw Challenge and I always tell you know girls that follow the skinny confidential a challenge is so powerful to a man. And I think that because of that environment it just caused him to aggressively chase me and I was kind of like always Mana it's fine. It's fine and we were just always friends and I think that that like really deep and his connection to me and I think we got back together at you know, 22 years old after not after being a part since we were 15 and he was like ready to commit immediately because I had sort of because you made him run a marathon. On for 8 years. Yeah, you know I'll work for it. I feel like you still giving him a heck of a challenge. I love this conversation. I feel like it's our everyday conversation that we let people and on unless you have any last words we have to go get into her gym clothes and start working out. So I have to let you go. I could keep you on work talking for hours. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for having me on your platform. If you guys want to hear more about Ingrid. She's also an art. Podcast I've learned so many tips and tricks from you and I'm ready to work out in a little scared. If you're always scared about Littlefinger reason. I want you to everybody knows where to find you. I find ridiculous asking you but I have to do it that's like the podcast way and if Michael ever screams me or considers me for dear media. I have to do it right. So where can everybody finds you pimp this out confidential the skinny confidential? Her on iTunes and the skinny confidential blog perfect and on Instagram the skinny confidential if you follow me on Instagram, you've definitely found Lauren because I'm always tagging her and she's always tagging me. Thank you so much for coming on. I love you so so much and I really love you. Thank you for having me. Thank you guys. I was fun. Bye that was so amazing to have Lauren on for that long and to share a little bit of our intimacy. Mercy with you and our realness. I hope you enjoyed the conversation. Now the sound quality is definitely not podcast interview quality. The sound quality is just two girls having their morning coffees and just chatting it up. So I hope you will excuse the sound. I know you probably won't mind it. You can hear the dogs in the background and all the hustle and bustle of our daily lives, but that's how we wanted it. We wanted to bring it to you. Raw and exactly like we are I loved everything that we touched into I hope you will recognize some of your questions. We try to kind of badge them and answer as many as possible. They were more but I bet you the next time Lauren comes to Monaco. I will definitely be going back on her podcast her in Michaels podcast, and she will definitely come back on mine if you want to work out with me. Oh, perhaps not the way Lauren does as you've heard I don't give private sessions over Skype anymore. She's one of the only clients I will be keeping as I'm expanding and concentrating on expanding the business in other directions, but you can still work out with me on the virtual platform. Now, the master sessions Lauren does when we can work out together. She said she gets on the virtual platform this five to six videos at all times. You can pick from all the videos with me. All the videos are outdoors in beautiful sunny mom. Because you get to travel also and the master session that you get to do is extremely similar. If not sometime even harder because there's less of a rest this less chatting than real life session with me like Lauren and I do on Skype. So she also relies on those matter sessions on the virtual platform where when I'm traveling when she can't log on at the time that would work for me because we do have some time different and she loves them and you will get some incredible results. Have you seen her ABS lately? She looks incredible. She's definitely one of like my advertising walking Billboards lucky me. There's also a lot of dedication on her part. She's extremely careful with what she eats not that she restricts herself know she's careful with the food that she eats as far as she goes to the farmers market. So I hope you heard that part on this episode. She speaks about it. She feels a lot more empowered now that she knows exactly what Is in our food and what Fuji's consuming speaking of which we've come up with simply kefir champagne champagne lacked a which is a pro biotic. It's the little big sister to Simply in your lane and it makes for symbiotic therapy, which is the perfect balance between Prebiotic and probiotic for your gut. If you are looking to see some real digestive changes if you have some stubborn weight gain and that you can't lose and you Believe that it's probably correlated with a gut issue hormonal issues then if simply in your limbs been doing a great job for you you need simply kefir as it is the other half of your gut Balance and Health being handled. We just posted on my Ig TV on Instagram how to you should only know you should also know that it comes with full instructions. It's very very easy to make and it's now in the shop. It is all going to be linked in the show notes speaking of the show notes. Everything about Lauren is going to be in the show notes as well. So you can just click links and go find her and all of the goodness that she has to offer on her blog on our IG and everything else this also TSC body guide, which is really amazing which she co-wrote with Kim Kelly and I am a big fan of all of their tips and tricks when it comes to Wellness and Fitness. If you want simply in your lane, you can also find it in the shop. If you want to prepare some of my Moroccan French recipes. You can get my e-cookbook also in the shop. Everything is going to be linked in the show notes as always you are not sure you want to jump in into a virtual platform membership, which is a monthly membership. Then you can also do my workouts my flash workouts. They are free. All you need is a towel. Those are always in the show notes. All you have to do is click the link get them out in towel and start doing it. 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You're listening to fit processions with parallel coaching episode 4. Hi. I'm Jill Bergman and in today's podcast. I'm talking to David Lopez be from kick fit coaching about how he went from a boring mundane nine till five long commute to work and creating a career change and changing his passion into his profession and making Fitness full-time for years on David lows be is fully thriving with kick fit coaching. So stay tuned. Hi, I'm Neil Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified. Let me Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence. We were first to say that learning and being a fit probe doesn't have to be hard work and that with the right structure support and resources. You can become a confident and knowledgeable Fitness professional that is dedicated for more. How do you learn qualify and kick start as a fifth row? This is the fit procession podcast with parallel coaching. So Safe warm, welcome to your day from kick coaching. I want to give a 20 seconds or so of a speech before I pass you over to Dave and you can tell us a bit more about who you are. But I first met Dave I spoke to Dave 2015 2016 time a point where you wanted to jump into fitness and take a full career change and what I love about Dave story is not only did he take a full career. Change he did a little bit of what we call Fitness Moonlighting in the early stages, whereby he kept his full-time job and did Fitness alongside and now two years on his full-time in Fitness and goes against against the grain of so many Fitness professionals who start who qualify, but don't follow through and make it their full-time career. So a massive warm welcome to you. Mr. Dave lows be it's great to have you on forfeit processions. This is episode number. For for you and over to tell us more about who David is and where your base and give us an overview of why you're here. Hi guys. Thank you for everyone for start as me. It's a pleasure to be here. So yeah, I as you said I was looking to get into the fitness industry way back when it was a big decision to make but I'm super proud that I've done it. I'm based in North Hampton at pumpkin the gym itself. Now is driving with a big number of Jim's we're currently have six in total where a 24 hour gym which again is similar to a lot of the models around Northampton. I I want to say yeah, it's just it's been it's been nuts. I'm so proud of how I've got here. It's been a struggle. I'm not gonna lie go in from full-time work to doing this part time. So I doing it part-time as well. It was long hours days were long, but it was just a matter of this is what I want to do. I can do this. I will do this and I'll do whatever it takes to make it work amazing. I can do this. I will do this. This and I do whatever it takes. I mean that's something that we've maybe help drummer into you as well of kind of dedicated to more do the work daily. And what do whatever it takes. So we've mentioned you've been in you've been in Fitness you've been in pump Jim's based in Northampton, the gym has grown as a 24 hour gym for two years full-time and you did a year before that where you were juggling a full-time job as well as part-time hours. So let's jump into a bit more of a back story. What what have you been? Doing pray your Fitness career days. What was your main job or career? So I was a benefits assessment officer for eight years. I was based in Northampton and I was coming to the end of my career there when I first looked to parallel to start my fitness journey once I completed I was about to complete my level 3 when I moved to Bedford doing the same job. But as a temp, so it was same hours more money, which was great. But obviously the hours were the same I had to travel a little bit more. So yeah, the job was mundane. It was sad s called a nine pretty much a total 495. I really didn't have any kind of enjoyment of it at all. It literally paid the bills. It's just a matter of every day was effort getting up going to work doing the same old things in the same old faces being in like a negative. Sheriff you like that I think the fact that I had the Fitness career in the background to build certainly made. I don't know work life a little bit easier knowing that there's going to be like at the end of the tournament that makes sense. So when you when you doing the remind me again benefits, it was a benefits assessment officer make so basically helping us an officer. You've got this kind of typical nine till five grind. You've got the commute before work the commute after work, you know, you mentioned the fear wasn't all that Pleasant. Did you use Fitness your own Fitness as kind of a way of going to use the word saving you from that day what totally absolutely make so knowing that I was going to be working at that day. I was going to be going to the gym that day. I was going to be out interacting with people that are hopefully going to be interacting on a daily basis and building a career round was yet very much to saving grace in that sense that I knew once I got out. Work. I knew I was going to be going to work again in the evening whether it was to see clients or do my gym ship that I didn't see that as work. I just saw it as like a an escape escapism of what my day-to-day was like at work. So it was like right fresh start this evening. I get out of work today. Then I get to spend 5 hours at the gym build build on what I'm doing and yeah just have a whole new like level of enthusiasm at the end of the day after a long shift is uh, I suppose made for polarity of You're the 9 to 5 grind even worse maybe because you've got this nine till five with the mundane atmosphere. Nothing really happening and all of a sudden have an evening. You might be in a studio with one or two or small group or a large group. That's absolutely buzzing. The music's on its really loud. And now the polarity of Davis's evening is even greater. Was that a was that even a bigger pool to kind of go? I've this is definitely what I want to do and I want to jump ship exactly, you know, the more that went on and obviously the more I didn't the more confidence again from teaching classes personal training meeting clients. Just interacting with people was just yeah, it was huge. It was like this is what I want to do. I'm very good at this. I love it. I enjoy it and there's no you know, if I could do this full time and get paid for what I love. It's a no-brainer superb. Let's segue back to that that that point in your old career. What was it about Fitness for changed for the game for you personally? It's not about getting into it as a career. Why did you choose to get into fitness yourself? It was of a particular mode of Fitness for you. Love more that that helped you save your own sanity. I suppose a mindset from former career. Absolutely. Do you know what it was? It was very selfish. Actually. I felt I'd been training in the gym for a good few years before I became a fitness professional but I felt I was I wasn't getting anywhere with my own sort of Fitness. I wasn't Any sort of major changes and I think one of the reasons I wanted to become a personal trainer a was obviously I loved what I did but but mostly it's about me and my own Fitness and where I could take my body what I could do with myself and how I progressed my own Trend and I think once I've got a handle on that it became easier to sort of pass on that sort of wisdom that information and what I actually remember your course and the fewer number of the other Learners, it's quite a big group here in wasn't it as like searing 16 people. All 14 to 16 people and I remember from weekend one, which was Friday Saturday Sunday, and then everybody came back in and it's still the same now on our latest courses you come back in on weekend to because we've given you the consultation the basics behind programming periodization be understanding of training systems cardiovascular resistance training systems. And that remain homework is still the same really it's about going away and and applying that to to you and I remember you coming back in and And pulling me to one side, um of a balcony at V at the venue and we were upstairs classroom. And I remember it was yourself and and Steve drummer Steve on your clothes. Yeah. Yeah mostly to one side and just say what if I did this or could I do that? And can I do that and and it was that I knew then I was like this guy understands systems. He's gone away implemented it he's trained it is had a go at it. He's failed at it and and you could see the changes you have made. Made and how we that's impacted your training yourself and the impact that had on your own mindset, but physically as well huge hands. Yes the in that amazing. So so your envy your in this old career, you're making this this this this leak to go into fitness. What was for time frame from and it's it's probably quite hard. I know you've had these questions for for a few days and to it might be hard to think back. What was the timeframe from? Initial for of I am sick and tired of my day my commute my Monday nine till five. I don't really want to be doing this to take an action of reaching out to inquire about a personal training course or inquiring about becoming a fitness professional. Was there a time frame there or or was it? Yeah, Wick Jill if know they'll it was a long time coming. I mean before I got before I apply to you guys. I am I was teaching kickboxing. So I had a certain aspect of my life, which I really enjoyed. I was always interacting with people teaching people and fitness was always pretty good with kickboxing which was great. But again, I knew there was more so I think that was a big that's what spurred me on a little bit. I knew I would again. I really enjoy teaching so I thought what better way to incorporate, you know, martial art Fitness with personal training but to answer your question it was I remember it was so well liked me and my pal. We're talking literally just on a Sunday walk and she was like well what you want to do and I was like I want to be a personal trainer. I think that's that's what that's that's my calling and literally finished our walk and I never forget we do she went back to her place. We sat down and got the telephone parallel was the first one to come up and remember calling and never forget the conversation with Haley. She was amazing. She made me feel completely comfortable. She doesn't it was almost like it was the perfect time to call if that makes sense. I was like, yeah, this was perfect. She left me feeling like that was the best thing I did that conversation will never I'll never forget. It just made me feel like yeah, this is it right. I'm going to do it got me booked on and that was it. I don't remember even looking back then I play What I Love About That initial conversation and what Hailey does very well is well, let's give some context majority of our Learners are very similar to you there in your in a career there. Element of dislike and you've been in Fitness and you want to move into that foot full time. It's a major career shift. You're literally taking where you are now and putting life on a whole new trajectory. So that first initial phone call is just about making sure that this is a decision you want to pursue it's not really about enrolling on a course. It's just about airing out your ideas and your thoughts of where you are now with somebody that has the knowledge of how to do that. So, You know, you can talk to you know, you know your partner or you know, friend or family. But of course they're going to be slightly biased or tell you what they think you want to hear what you're thinking, you know, you reach out and you talk to Haley. She asked you a different set of questions for you to make sure this is an ideal. That is it's right for you. And you did you did you sit on how long did you sit on that that conversation for before you kind of went no time, and this is the Forwards now I'm all n did you have to go back to family and whatnot and talk about it more or what was the process? You know, what might know I didn't I think literally after speaking to Haley that that was kind of like my That was the point. That was that switch. It was like yeah, you know what she's made me feel like this is what I want to do. And that was it it I knew it was there make but I think it was just speaking to Haley was that final sort of click it was like, yeah, I'm ready for this. I can do this and this this just get on with it. I don't think I've waited very long. I think the shock had to book onto the course, but I think it's only a matter of weeks. And you know, what make the cool thing was was me and my partner had a holiday in Cape Verde in the October when I was two Stop and remember being out of taking the shield my content out there. So I think the that we spent out there whenever we were some baby knows pretty much just looking at the content being the content and I don't feel and it sounds crazy but I don't think I've ever been so excited to sit down and read like three or four hours by back to that. It was it was crazy. But when you into saying you love something you just absorb it so easy and again up in that was another sort of reinforcement as I knew I was doing the right thing and that's a really cool point to make isn't it the When you really want to do something and you're really excited to do it suddenly the learning behind it becomes ten times easier and yet so many Learners worry or fear that their perhaps too old or they won't be able to absorb the information or is a whole new language. I've got to learn around A&P but you know, you're living proof, but if you're deep down excited and enthusiastic, this is this is my calling. This is what I want to do suddenly. It doesn't matter how hard it is. You want to be doing more of it? And as we know for more we do it and if we enjoy that we're going to absorb that information exactly. That's exactly what it was like that. Yeah. It was just it was fun to learn. It was really good and like the more you learn about it you like it just it was like, oh I get it and I can apply that to this and I can do that and it was just like I want to learn more. So it was really I want to just focus on you know, you mentioned about your partner became a key cog I suppose in this decision. I'm making you mentioned you went out on a on a long Sunday walk and then you've been able to Cape Verde and she's supported you along the way what was life like with a because you you got kids as well. They were quite young at the time weren't they? That's right. Yeah, what was life like with with a young family and Anna partner? Whereby you're now making this key life-changing decision where by was some uncertainty coming in mainly around I suppose Finance because you're talking about giving up a job to go. Job that has no certainty of money coming in. What was that? Was there any key decisions or any fears around that what was for conversation like fit for you and your partner at the time to be fair mate? I mean she made it a lot easier for me. She knew I was really upset like really starting my job. Like every day was a grind like as we've said and she knew that by doing this I think she could just see let's see how enthusiastic I was through learning and but it was what I wanted to do. She knew I could make it work and me that was that was huge. I think sometimes having having the feeling that you can do something yourself is good. But having the support of someone that you love feeling the same way just gives you that extra push knowing that you can do it. I'm not going to like that. Yeah. I was very scared in terms of Finance, you know the finance you knew the bill, you know, the end of month, you're going to be paid cover the mortgage you can take the kids out, but that was a very scary thought of crikey. I might not be able to do that. A couple of months or maybe six months while I'm establishing establishing myself as a as a PT, but again, like she was supportive. We have money saved so not massive out but enough for me to sort of take the plunge in build on where I needed to go. So that was kind of a bit of a cushion if you like that again, it was a matter of like if I don't make this work, where am I going to be in six months? Yeah. I could be in a world of trouble. How do you learn qualify and kick start a tab? It broke. This is the fit processions podcast with parallel coaching. But also on the flip side because you had some consequence of like you say, you know, if this doesn't work, I'm gonna be in a world of trouble that could be one of the causes for why you approached and attacked the course invert the Ferocious way that you did because you there were consequences not just for you, but for your partner for your kids and and the quality of life and so that the level of action you were you were willing I supposed to take more But it was a wet much more calculated risk and you had lined up like you say little bit of savings to to make that whole transition easier. Would you say absolutely made us write the the the extra sort of Sting in the tail was as well make when I was with Bedford the company so the counselors working with just before I started because I was a temp the money was even better and I was obviously saving for a house with my partner as well. Well, so we're literally I was going to work lychee purely for that aspect saving saving saving and obviously building the PT personal training at the gym on the side. So any extra clients I was getting all the money was just going towards the house. So for me make it was extra panic because I was like, we just buying a house. I'm about to lose. I could lose my job in the end of January my contract ends and then I'm going to be a full-time PT with like minimal clients. Holy shit. Yeah. I've got to pay the mortgage at the end of every month, but Again, like you said, maybe it was it was literally that driving is like right if I don't do something about it. I've only got myself to blame. So get in there spend as much time in the gym make it work for you. And that's exactly what I did cool. So we when we first met was it was roughly what 2015 or 2016 I was trying to go everywhere. Yeah. It was right. Yeah, it's closed end of 2015. I think September October to May and then and then you graduated it. Was it literally just after the Christmas wasn't it - right that I did my level 2 just before Christmas. Yes. I had a I had a gap and then I came back from a little free just after I think it was April May of the following year. I passed one of my great. Remember I remember so tell us more about what life was like during getting qualified like tell our listeners more about your you actual journey of mention. Obviously, like did it before Christmas and then vpt in the spring, you know from from your perspective as a previous learner of us what was life like whilst getting qualified. I suppose go back to what I was saying before like once I took that initial step past My Level 2 obviously was at a level where I could talk do certain things, but obviously I couldn't be a personal trainer until past My Level 3, but to be fair it was just more than knowledge that I was taking on from Level 2 and being an applied into my everyday exercise and that helped me give me like a clear outline of where I wanted to be with myself. I think that's pretty much. What I did in between Once I pass my little too I knew obviously I was going to Brooklyn to my level 3 at some point in the next couple of months. So it gave me time to sort of think about what I could do differently to other pts. Yeah. I spent a lot of time obviously looking what personal trainers do what kind of service they provide and how I could be different and obviously I knew at the back of my mind obviously I kick box and I could mesh that into in together and I think that's probably what I spent most of my time. I was like look, Up. So soon as I like past My Level 3 and I get the green light and I'm a qualified personal trainer. I can hit the ground running. So I think I probably spent four or five months just developing that an online presence what my name was going to be. How elsewhere kick kick kick fit coating came in which is just fantastic. So you've taken your your background of of martial arts and and kicking yes into fitness and that kind of forged the way for Dave I supposed And it it did make that was it. Yeah, exactly. Once I've got the brand up how I wanted to assert myself how I wanted to be known as like, oh, there's a personal trainer and a kickboxing instructor. He's bit of this bit of that. Yeah. That's that's kind of where I wanted to be. I wanted to be looking all around. Yeah personal trainer, but again have something that not all personal trainers have so yeah you were capable of being with all around personal trainer, but that that unique approach of Kickboxing was your touch on sessions and you know, I remember back to some of your Instagram stories and updates of you know, a lot of a lot of it was very much for the clients punching and kicking pads, even though majority of a session was still personal training based but that their brand was was showing but it was kicking pads, which was just yeah. Yeah tell the sea went on and you qualified in you did kettlebells and suspension training as part of that course as well. Didn't you have used have used that as a part of your research, you know how you've operated as a personal trainer as well or absolutely maybe it's you know, it's again those sort of areas are areas that I really like to really push with a lot of my clients again a lot of the guys that lot of personal trainers in my gym. They obviously tend to use a lot of the resistance kit. Whereas I like to be a little bit more sort of outside the box especially in evenings when the gym is really busy and a lot of kids waiting around. I don't like the idea of having to my clients. Wait around so I'd rather work it around them. So how about always a massive option? We've got a huge rig at the gym. So I like to keep it functional for them movement paddle. You movement patterns a lot of unilateral work scale. Those have been massive. That's one of the best takeaways. I think I had was the level 2 level level one and level two courses I did for the cobras superb. So let's stay on that the biggest takeaway from a course. Obviously. You got the the cpd's you ultimately you got the qualification, but is there one and what's your biggest takeaway outside of getting qualified itself and having that certificate to give you the license to go and practice. Is there one big takeaway for impacted you or your welder your clients more than just for qualification itself. But yeah, I think definitely for me. It's it's it was the confidence to be able to give and support people in what they wanted to do. I think it when people say I have a goal I want to do this. It's that confidence to go to say, you know what I can help you do that. I can literally help you do that that for me. I think that's the biggest thing. It's always scary like whatever you feel like right I've got to do this. How am I going to do it, but when you've got the knowledge and the confidence to be able to say someone yet. You know, what if we can stick to these rules these guidelines, there's no reason why we can't get you where you want to be and and I think that, you know, all of a podcast we've recorded so far. If we have guest speakers on the word confidence has come out as confidence and belief and intention and it's just this running theme on every podcast so farther if I have a confidence I can go and help somebody achieve the very thing that they want most. Yeah without a damn it. I love the fact like if I get a new client and literally within a matter of weeks, they start seeing a difference in themselves that for me is like that's what it's all about. They've actually more comfortable in the gym. There are Off doing their own work out in the gym, but a massive example for Me Maybe especially a lot of ladies when they see the free weight area in the see all the guys in there. It's like almost like I don't belong here, but I go against that unlike know you've got no reason why you shouldn't be in here and the second you see them training on their own on a day with a knot with you in my gym in the free weight area. It's like that's that's that's the exactly job done superb many people believe that changing career is challenging and you know, it's those probably we've already spoken about it. Of challenges that you faced from that initial conversation in your own head of like I'm not happy through to getting qualified. Why do you think so many people believe that changing career is overwhelming and too much to handle and don't do anything about it. I think it's just the fact that people get so used to their daily life and they all idea of the concept of having to do something different is so scary. That is probably what the biggest hurdle that anyone will face. It's like no I'm doing this. I know what I'm doing. Yeah, I don't like it. But I know what it's what I'm doing. So therefore I might as well stick to it. It's comfortable. It's comfortable exactly but it's that risk and that reward if you are willing to put in a Time the energy the effort and against have confidence in yourself to make that step. There's no reason why you can't take your Take It Forward life doesn't have to be a Daily Grind. Be what you want it to be but you've got to be willing to put in the effort to make it completely but for every action has a reaction you got to be at be able to you'd be willing to put in the hard work and I think you've summarized it a treat. So you've qualified in Fitness now, it's now spring late spring 2016. You spend some time. You already mentioned kind of thinking about your brand what you can be called what you what's going to be unique about you and you set up kick fit coaching tell. Us what life has been like from 2016 to we're now recording this October 2019. So just a little over three years. What's life been like as a as a qualified Fitness Pro? It's been tough mate. I'm not gonna lie. It's been it's been hard in the sense of probably hours. Obviously working a full-time job and then going straight to the gym to carry on clients a year. Danu was at a year you did that for that's what they are. Just over a year. That would that was tough again saving money working pretty much 60 65 hours to 70 hours a week. It was tough. But again, like I said earlier is you know, there was light at the end of the tunnel. It was worth. Of course. It was worth the grind having a really good support network behind me. The kids were great. I think they saw a big change in me because I was doing saying I really enjoyed always made sure I had time for, you know, Mike my family commitments see my children. That was never sacrifice. I always make sure that I could see them. So even though you were tired, maybe somewhat burnout. You've got the commute before and after you've got your classic nine till five mundane part then overall. It's a 60 70 hours a week. It's finding that balance still and figuring out well, what a my priorities what's important to me? And of course it's family and that's what you end up focusing your attention to so what even though you're you're kind of maybe screaming inside of that. I just need a break. Yeah, you've got light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, exactly. It's you know, nothing but good is going to come from it. It's going to it's tough. It's going to be tough again. It anything worth having is tough. You've got to you've got to work for it. And I don't know I kind of I'm really proud of myself for that. I think I look back and I think you know, I worked for a solid year doing those hours and look where I am now and think yeah, you know it was worth it. And if I had to do it again, I would if it meant being back where I am now, I'm amazing and Like you say your partner and your kids face saw a different Dave come through as opposed to being you know board apathetic this mundane day-to-day and all of a sudden even though you're you're doing huge hours and you're still got your commute in there X y&z, you're you're suddenly Full of Life full of beans energetic and you know, you had all the right to turn in at the end of the day God. I'm knackered but you turned in going. I've loved it. Exactly. That's it has to become going to bed knowing you're on to something new and doing st. Better or going to bed thinking. I've got through all that again tomorrow. That's that's the Difference Maker amazing. So you you set up you as kick coaching and you went over to pump Jim tell us more about the setup with with pump Fitness it pump gym or pump Fitness. It's a pumpkin mix from Jim. You know, how many hours did you have to do? Do you have to pay a ground? Rent? Tell us more about the ER for for you as actual setup as a personal trainer. It was its really good but its remember I remember it really well then I before I started with pumpkin obviously I was looking into where I could become a personal trainer. So I applied it a number of Jim's virgin pure Jim. So I've got my little reference for quite a few of them. I remember us so I hear was you certainly was so as I mean look at some of the models and how it was going to work and I got to admit I was a little bit apprehensive in terms of the hours. Can be working the money. I was going to be given to pay towards the gym rent based on the fact that I didn't have, you know, any clientele, but I'll never forget. I got a call from Jamie the manager at the time from punch. Jim never even heard of that. You didn't even realize it was opened in the counter and said hi. Dave Wilson, you see the online document for a chat and I was like, yeah, that'd be great. So literally went in a couple of days later. I'd look around the gym sat down with the management team. They explain what I was going to be doing so Ten hours a week three hours for the Jim talks in maintaining the gym standards, but I was free to come and go use the gym and pick up clients and train them 24 hours around the clock to me met again. That was probably the biggest appeal. It was 10 hours a week extra on top of my full-time hours, which wasn't too bad. You know, it's I was doing a fairytale week so for tal week, but it got me where I needed to be. So is that that was my first initial big step into the In this game, the gym had just opened so it's like one big unit if you like really nice kit brand-new again. That was something that was my biggest fear was was a brand new gym new members only been open a couple of months. They somewhere I could I thought I could really establish myself and how long did it take before to take before you picked up your first paying one to one client? It wasn't long. I think literally after maybe about three or four weeks in after I got my classes going. Film comfortable with what I was doing being on the gym floor as much as I could. I never forgot the timer. I've got an email through saying hi Dave. It's not only from your hit class. I picked up one of your cards last night from your profile. I was looking for some personal training. It was just like, oh my God sure. It's working. Someone contacted me and it was good because I kind of wanted to be like, I didn't want to Hard Sell personal training. I didn't want to be that person that was like going up to everyone in the gym. I'm a personal trainer blah blah blah. I wanted kind of a kind of wanted people to sell themselves to me like yeah, I want to be able to say you want a personal training. Okay. I want to make sure that you get the best results because you want this as opposed to its personal training. It's got to work. So I think yeah that get that initial email was like right I remember this is it how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Row? It processions podcast with parallel coaching. I remember we just started parallel and it was early 2012. We've probably done close to maybe six months of setting up and you know, right in some of the courses getting the content together an underpinning ourselves and we have launched our first kettlebell course and I never forget what as a little bit gloomy because it was still this belief of like, I know it's going to work but we just there was no evidence of it working yet and me and Haley and we've gone out for Walk around one of the lakes in Milton Keynes and we got back and I was a voicemail from a lady called Beverly mind to date now. We've had almost 7,000 learners, but I can remember the lady's name. Her name was Karen and we press play on the the answer machine said hi. My name's Karen. I'm interested in your kettlebell course and I just remembered dancing around this around the living room and I'm an animal and in in our in our small little house of excitement of like it works. It's it's crazy my nose, so I know that exactly and it's at that point you realize that this is what I want to do and I want to do more of it. So you find ways to progress and move yourself forward and that's what you've done with your no excuses program. We had a discussion. I think 2017. I think it was just a journey via Facebook messenger and it was about setting up your no excuses program. Tell us more about about that. Yeah, man, I'm not going to line my it was literally a straight-up poach from your are five am clubmate. It was it was it was I was living the content you're putting out for that and to be fair. Our gym wasn't offering any early morning classes at the time and I kind of thought let's let's sort of close that Gap. You know, I could be the one PDT that's in the gym first thing in the morning people see me on the daily that sort of time let's get people in and that's kind of where I went from. So I saw how Well you were doing and I advertised it as guys only start off with it was free guys. I started in May to back yet May 2017 took three guys on for eight week course at first I was a little bit nervous like croaky free guys. That's all I've got that. Yeah, literally the more content I put out from it and II I opened up two males and females it literally just it went it ballooned up. I now run it every foot ironic for weeks. I have a two-week Gap and then the For another four weeks and I've been doing that for year-round and that's been going. Yes, it's May 2017 call it when when does the next one start? It started meet with literally the second weekend of this one. So we've got another two weeks then we've got a two-week Gap and then I'm going to run the number 41 just before Christmas just before Christmas how many of you got enrolled on this coming and no excuses program. I try and have a maximum of 15. I've been hitting 12 to 13 consistently over the last ones now, so I'm doing my part to the size of the studio that I use. I can't have a massive amount. But obviously on the two-week Gap, I advertise it again across the gym to drum up more room more sales and get more people involved and then obviously you've got this kind of your one too many you've got, you know, 12 to 15 people and then obviously you can cherry pick off the top of that with PT because there's always going to be some people that want more proximity with you one to one or small group on top of that. Absolutely. He likes For in front of my classes where I think I picked up an awful lot of my clientele and no excuses has been no exception. I've had probably at the moment. I probably got half the class that Petey Petey with me one on one as well. So they getting the free sessions a week and the next recession of like an hour with me throughout the week. So they've got that accountability to turn up on the group stuff. Then the one-to-one, you know, they're hitting three four sessions a week. You've now it you're now impacting them for out. Of the seven days. If not more which means the likelihood of a result goes up which means you've got great before-and-afters. You got great testimonials because no doubt they're walking away going, of course, it works and one of obviously the keys as you know is frequency to actually doing the exercise. That's right me ever having a group chat having me to obviously there for them as a group is wicked and obviously the guys work really well as a unit everyone that sort of comes in and joins the working into the Reach out that we have. And yeah again, like you said the weekly accountability at the one-to-one sessions as well when we can really dial in to where they want to be out with their goals. We can just build them thrive on that and then I've seen the results of no excuses. It's early morning, but it's hard work. But again the hard work pays off completely completely what you mentioned a minute ago. I got foot for 5 more questions to before we wrap up today's podcast. You mentioned a minute ago. You you do a lot more classes and you pick up clients at the end of that. So for example is that we talked about like spin classes. Suck it cost is you're doing for the gym and you've got maybe 15 20 people in and then you're you're picking clients out. How does that work? How you picking clients up from your classes? What's the strategy? What do you do? What the hell? I did. I get it. I just try and be as much of me in the class as possible. So I wish try another lab make the guys feel as comfortable as possible. I'm not like a drill instructor that if I can see you can go a little bit harder a little bit faster. I'll try and get the best. Best out of you every single time, but just at the end of the class, it's just it that's the key point is when everyone's having a stretch in you've got full attention on you. That's the best time to Showcase who you are what you do what the endorphins are high exactly the reason, you know, you're feeling the way you are now because I've just put you through 45 minutes of of help basically in the nicest possible way, you know, you've seen what you can do. I've helped bring that out of you and yeah just try and get people to capitalize on that. Just getting introduced yourself not be afraid. Tell people the results showed what exactly tell people the results that you can give them if they want to sort of go down that extra step of 1 to 1 again, but not hard sale. Just I don't know I suppose it is almost like dangling it on the carrot in front of me like yeah, this is what you can do in a session with me for 45 seconds. Imagine. If you have me full time as a personal trainer basis of what could we do and you mentioned things like, you know, you've got your name tag on you've got your uniform on which clearly advertisers what you do who you are. So you're constantly sending that. Message two of them subliminally I suppose of this is what I can do with one to 20 people in a circuit class. Imagine what it would be like with me one to one for 30 minutes to an hour. Exactly. That's right. Yeah, encouraging people just take a card if they're rare one make that first step towards just drop me a message on Instagram. If you'd like some more information. Keep it free. Keep it simple. Just just make myself as accessible to everyone as possible. Cool Final few questions then what do you wish you had? Known when you started out. So if you could rewind what do you wish you would have known now, you know everything or know what you know now if I make sense, yeah, and I totally right I think. just knowing that the the initial step wasn't going to be as tough as it was. I think once I took the plunge knowing that I wasn't gonna be there for we're working full time anymore that you know, I think it's more so that having the confidence in myself, but like so I knew who I was position where I had to do it, but I wish I had just a little bit more faith to say they'd be fine. You're going to do this. I think that's my probably one biggest takeaway. So a little bit more confidence. Basically, it's nicely on I got free learn a question. So I am But an email out to our parallel coaching community and I got an email from James Emma and Tony so I've got three learner questions and I got two final questions for you Dave. What what we do on these learner questions if we kind of almost like set a timer not literally going to set a timer but if we said like a 60 second blast to answer each each question from James Emma and Tony and then that kind of puts you on your toes a little bit as well. So James says looking back. Would you have done anything different? No, it's the short and sweet answer James. I literally had a clear goal. I knew what I wanted to do. Once I had that push from work. It was just a matter of grind get in get it done. And like I said, I'm really proud of myself for that. I think that's probably one of my biggest achievements is I have faith in myself and do what I wanted to do and it's went out and got it civil work was the external push for you, but I suppose for maybe for James. He might not have that external. Us from work where you were being made redundant, so maybe the message is various to force that your own push. So it forces you down that route to make a decision quicker. That's right. Yeah, totally it was a matter of right. Let's do this there have confidence in yourself go out there and get it done. That's that's exactly right superb over to Emma. She said was tons, of course is out there Believe It or Not Dave was over almost a thousand training providers. So parallel coaching are one of us. Thousand you how did youhow do you choose? And that's really what Emma's question is. How did you choose your course to qualify in again to answer that? It's a tough one because like I said, hey was literally my first call there was no one else who I spoke to our looked at online. It was a no-brainer for me. So I was very lucky in that respect. But I suppose looking back if that wasn't the case and I haven't found parallel first. I think I'll probably just looked at as many as I possibly could give them a call get a feel from sometimes. It's nice to To someone and again using Haley has a reference. She made me feel completely comfortable. She knew exactly how to answer my questions and like suppose finding holes right for that business right for the fitness fitpro industry as well. So I think it's just a matter of research find out who feel comfortable who's feels comfortable if they're accessible for you and they're going to be able to deliver the goods superb final questions from Tony and I know Tony quite well, it's recently qualified. He asked how did you go about getting your first gym job. How did you first go about about getting into pump gym. And what was it like during the interview and was there anything they asked specifically? Yeah. So like I said go back to earlier em, they obviously saw my CB online got in contact with me. I said do I want to come in for a chat? So it wasn't even like an interview time. So remember going in very casually I sat down with Nathan and Jamie the system energy. General manager I told him that I was literally just passed within literally that that month at the time I said, this is what I want to do. I was very enthusiastic and I think they can see that straight away our enthusiastic. He's yesterday. I was a belt starting out what I could bring to the table obviously with martial arts background as well. But sorry no through a kind of digress a little bit the that it was fine. You can be on it's great. It's not it was again. They made it clear of obviously what I was going to do. So there was certain things about the job that you know is going to be cleaning. There's going to be maintaining the gym floor. There's going to be stuff that you know, you might not necessarily think is going to be part of day-to-day life. But again, you're in the gym you rip the place where you're going to be still in yourself. That's like a byproduct of it again. It wasn't an issue. But again just being confident if that's what you want to do. You know just it will it will show but in terms of questions that they ask me I don't think there's anything that they any sort of curve balls. They perhaps ask me what I could bring to the team and I think I was just very clear to with my enthusiasm at the time. I think that's what Shawn 400 was very new but I was happy to have did happy to do the the extra bits of perhaps you didn't want to do so being an exam. Yeah stick my I can do for Jim maintenance. I'm cool with that. It's part of the hospital. It it's not going to be forever. Exactly. That's I think one of the one of the extra questions Tony asked again was did you what did you wear to the interview? Did you wear you know gym kit or did you wear a full suit or is it very casual was? It was very casual. I remember it was it was hot. It was in the middle of August. So it showed a pair of flip-flops choice and and I just literally like a very smart sort of short sleeve shirt on remember are the interviews and I went dressed like that was because they ask can I come in for a If it was interview, of course, we're going to look at more REM a little bit better dressed myself, but to be fair, I wasn't scruffy. I always like to make a an impression you did your hair that day. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's right. That's what sold it at sounds perfect. Now that wasn't it. Yes, it was just casual and I think that that certainly helps situations right between a casual chat and an interview and then dressed inappropriately from there. Exactly. That's right. Also, two final questions. I mean we could We could talk forever. We've been gone almost an hour. And obviously we chatted before the podcast when live as well so we can probably chat for ages two final questions based on life today or your experiences in your growing up previous career qualifying all the way through the last three years as a fitpro what three things or tips or advice would you give someone but wants to start out in Fitness or coaching? Okay, so tip number one, make sure it's 100% what you want to do number to be be a little bit different try and bring something different to the table. Whatever that's personality what you can provide. And free yet just be confident in yourself. If you've got faith in yourself and confidence that you can do it. You will do it superb so final question Dave and I'm going to I've asked everybody on the podcast myself as well and Hailey all the guests receive these last two questions. And first of all, I just want to acknowledge your time today your energy your effort your approach to coaching the time you spent with us face-to-face on course and you'll kind of first for Learning and approach that you've taken since qualifying as It's just been phenomenal to see your development. So I just want to acknowledge that so the final question is what's your definition of an outstanding coach dedicating yourself to the people that come to you knowing what their end result wants is and just basically doing whatever it takes to get in there. But put in there.put in ther go first is I think that's a coach it's going to listen who will do what he says says what? He does if he says he's going to do something backed up if he doesn't know the answer you make sure that he gets the answer and handle I think so when you could just go above and beyond in this is an outstanding corporate amazing Again David. Just want to thank you for your for your time today and and all the answers. You've given how can people go ahead now and and contact you further. So I'm on Facebook and on Instagram this kick the coaching. You can't you can't miss the logo big white logo. We keep it. On it and based upon gyms in Northampton. Yes, Instagram or Facebook. Probably be the best way to contact me. I'm happy to answer any questions or following on from today. If there's nothing more I can say or do then Fantastical to let me know what we do Dave is where put all of the links in the show notes to your various social handles and whatnot, and I just want to say one more time a big. Thank you, and we hope to have you on again soon. Thanks, man. I really appreciate. Thanks for your time. And thanks for letting me be a part of it. when brilliant superb take a bus you to make say so Hi, I'm Neil Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified. And then we Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence with the first to say that learning and being a fitpro doesn't have to be hard work and that with the right structure support and resources. You can become a confident and knowledgeable Fitness professional that is dedicated for more. How do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Row? This is the fit procession what car? still parallel coaching

FitPro Sessions Podcast Episode 004 – Taking The Leap With David Loasby from Kick Fit Coaching Today’s podcast episode is a real game-changer if you’re feeling hesitant about taking the career change leap to become a personal trainer; or if you are currently taking the leap to a new fitness career and looking for tips to help you over this tricky time Here’s what we talked about on today’s FitPro Sessions Podcast Taking the leap from a 9-5 job to a full-time career as a Personal Trainer, working in club, and what it is like throughout the qualifying journey Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes: Timestamps: 1:00 Dave’s Story of Taking The Leap 3:10 “I can do this, I will do this” 3:45 Dave’s Backstory 4:30 “My job was mundane, I was sat at my desk 9-5” 7:05 Why did you choose to get into Fitness? 10:00 The decision to become a FitPro 11:00 The initial phone call to clarify the decision 14:15 “You’re living proof that if you’re deep down excited and enthusiastic… absorb more info 15:15 Taking the leap with young kids and a partner 16:00 “having the feeling you can do something yourself is good – but having the support of someone you love gives you that extra push” 18:00 Building a financial cushion before taking the leap 19:20 What was life like whilst getting qualified? 20:00 Standing out from other PTs and working out how to be different 22:00 Incorporating functional training to benefit the client 25:00 Why do you think so many people think changing career is overwhelming? 26:30 What has life been like in the first 3 years of being a PT? 27:30 “Tired, somewhat burned out and working a 90 hour week… but still with time for Family” 30:00 Choosing the right gym to start out as a PT 33:00 Kickfits No Excuses Programme 37:00 How to hook PT clients from teaching classes in club 39:00 What do you wish you had known when starting out? 44:30 What to wear on an Interview at a gym? 45:40 3 tips or advice for someone starting out in coaching and fitness 46:50 what is your definition of an outstanding coach? 47:20 How to contact Dave at Kick Fit Coaching Learn more from Dave at Kick Fit Coaching: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICKfitCoaching/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kickfitcoaching/ Start your Journey to become a PT here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/become-a-personal-trainer Download Free Mock questions here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-mock-questions • Check out what learners are saying: HERE • Like us on Facebook: HERE • Follow us on Instagram: HERE • Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: HERE --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fitpro-sessions/message

This is optimal living daily episode 12 15 an excerpt from the book The craving mind from cigarettes to smartphones to love why we get hooked and how we can break bad habits by Judson Brewer and I'm just a moloch welcome to Optimal living daily or the O LD podcast where I read to you from some of the best blogs I can find and get permission from and actually sometimes books like today. Dr. Brewers one of the world's top neuroscientists a psychiatrist and the director of research and Innovation at the - Center at Brown University, he's a leading Authority on how our brains form bad habits and addictions and the specific tools people can use overcome them. You can find him at Judson Brewer.com, which I've Linked In This episode's description before we get to the excerpt have you heard about the revolution in online furniture shopping and joy bird the company behind it all joy bird believes that you should never settle when it comes to your home furnishings and that you should always have the freedom to be boldly original. They have hundreds of styles and options from mid-century. Modern to contemporary an amazing selection of fabric choices from leather to Velvet even kid and pet friendly options. See how Joy bird is revolutionizing online furniture shopping create the furniture that brings you Joy today at Joy bird.com old go to Joy bird.com. Oh LD and receive an exclusive offer for 25% off your first order by using the code old now, let's get right to it and start optimizing your life. An excerpt from the book The craving mind from cigarettes to smartphones to love why we get hooked and how we can break bad habits by Judson Brewer. Giving feels good. For those of us who get fired up when we see in justices in the world many might feel like righteous anger is a good thing. We may feel that getting up off the couch as we shake our fists at a politician giving a speech motivates us to vote watching YouTube videos of police brutality May motivate us to join an advocacy group or do some Community organizing. We may also wonder what would happen. If we didn't get angry will be just sit on the couch like a lump on my anger Meditation Retreat. I noticed that my habit was not helping me get concentrated. I started to become less excited about it disenchanted and as a result notice that I had a lot more energy freed up to do other things why that's probably all of us can relate to anger is exhausting on my retreat. This repurposed energy went to a less distracted and yes much more concentrated mind as the direction of anger died down. I was able to bring the proper conditions together to drop in A very concentrated State one that stayed on point for up to an hour at a time. There was a welcome change what help this one of the factors that I mentioned in the last chapter that is needed for concentration is Joy again, not the agitated Restless excitement, but a joy that felt expansive and tranquil if anger or anticipatory excitement move us in the opposite direction what types of activities Foster? Joyful stays at some point in my meditation training I learned It was described as a three-step graduated teaching that was part of Tera vaada Buddhism. It started with generosity move to virtuous conduct. And then only after those were practiced one practices mental development as in meditation the Insight that tradition and others offer is that if you go around all day acting like a jerk, it'll be hard to sit down and meditate why because as soon as we try to focus on an object everything that was emotionally charged from the day will come marching into our head making it impossible to Citrate if we come to the cushion not having lied cheated or stolen there is less garbage to take out as Lee browsing 10 meditation teacher specializing in concentration practices likes to say if this is the second step what about the first generosity? What does it feel like when we're generous? It feels good as in an open. Joyful state. It is suggested that practicing generosity may help us. Learn what it feels like to let go we're literally letting go when we give a gift to someone else yet. Not all generosity is equal what happens when we give a gift expecting something in return. Does it feel the same when we donate a large sum of money with the expectation that we'll get some type of recognition. Do we get the same satisfaction when we hold the door for our boss or a date with the intention of impressing her or him in an essay entitled? No strings attached the Buddha's culture of generosity tennis Arabic you highlighted a passage in the Pali Canon three factors that exemplified the ideal gift. Quote the donor before giving is glad while giving his or her mind is inspired and after giving is gratified and quote. It sounds a whole lot like reward-based learning the donor is glad trigger while giving her mind is inspired behavior and after giving gratified reward, let's break holding the door into two scenarios. We're on our first date with someone and want to make a good impression we go out of our way to hold the door for her. Going to get some signal that we're doing a good job reward. We might expect the door holding to Garner a thanks or you're so thoughtful or at least a note of appreciation if we don't get that nod it doesn't feel so good. We expected something and didn't get it in particular this can explain the burnout among those of us who are constantly helping others, but returned home exhausted feeling unappreciated like modern-day Martyrs now on the other hand if we truly selflessly held the door what? We expect absolutely nothing because we weren't looking for a reward. It wouldn't matter whether they think doesn't or not. It would still feel good because that act itself provided an intrinsic reward giving feels good, especially when untainted by an expectation on the back end no strings attached. This may be what the passage in the Pali. Canon is pointing to when we selflessly give we don't have to worry about buyer's remorse because we aren't buying anything this intrinsic Rewards. Leaves us feeling gratified laying down a memory to do this again. Next time. Now, there are lots of scientific studies showing the health and wellness benefits of generosity instead of describing all the details for you now, so you might be intellectually convinced why not just try the experiment yourself. This is one you can do without an MRI scanner or double-blind experimental design the next time you hold the door for someone see if there's a difference in your felt experience of happiness joy warmth Etc between when you had an expectation versus when Did it selflessly does this help in learning how to properly read your stress Compass what types of Rewards or in you toward versus away from stress? 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An excerpt from the book The Craving Mind: From Cigarettes to Smartphones to Love - Why We Get Hooked by Judson Brewer Episode 1215: An Excerpt from The Craving Mind: From Cigarettes to Smartphones to Love - Why We Get Hooked by Judson Brewer This book provides groundbreaking answers to the most important questions about addiction. Dr. Judson Brewer, a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who has studied the science of addictions for twenty years, reveals how we can tap into the very processes that encourage addictive behaviors in order to step out of them. He describes the mechanisms of habit and addiction formation, then explains how the practice of mindfulness can interrupt these habits. Weaving together patient stories, his own experience with mindfulness practice, and current scientific findings from his own lab and others, Dr. Brewer offers a path for moving beyond our cravings, reducing stress, and ultimately living a fuller life. Visit him online at: DrJud.com And check out his book here: https://amzn.to/2WSrqtA Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts! See how Joybird is revolutionizing online furniture shopping. Go to joybird.com/OLD and receive an exclusive offer for 25% off your first order by using the code OLD.

Hello and welcome to heal within with Danish podcast. I'm your host daanish and I am a personal transformation coach an alternative therapists. I help you to heal muan recover and not only Thrive but transform into your greatest version possible after narcissistic abuse after doing a lot of research learning a lot about narcissism and working with so many people and also having a personal experience one thing that makes makes you an easy supply for the narcissist or psychopath for any other form of abuser is the emotional vulnerability when you are vulnerable meaning when you have lost someone to death when you have come out of the an abusive relationship when you are going through something really emotionally breaking in your life. When you feel that you need someone support in such a situation The Narcissist or any form of pube user presents him or herself as the exact person as the exact source of support that you need in such situation. They say the exact words do the exact actions where you feel, you know, someone is there to take care of you someone is there with whom you can share your pain in fact these We'll keep looking for people who are emotionally vulnerable and take advantage of that vulnerability. So it's advised and suggested that when you are dealing with a big issue in your life issues such as someone's death and are coming out of an abusive relationship extra or anything that is affecting you emotionally at a deeper level do not get into the new relationships because it is then you become the supply for a narcissist.

After doing a lot of research learning a lot about narcissism and working with so many people and also having a personal experience. One thing that makes you an easy supply for the narcissist or a psychopath or any other form of the abuser is an "emotional vulnerability". When you are vulnerable meaning when you have lost someone to death when you how come out of the, an abusive relationship. When you are going through something really emotionally breaking in your life. When you feel that you need someone's support. In such a situation, the narcissist or any form of the abuser presents him or herself as the exact person. As the exact source of support that you need in such a situation. They say the exact words, do the exact actions where you feel you know someone is there to take care of you. Someone is there with whom you can share your pain. In fact, these people keep looking for people who are emotionally vulnerable and take advantage of that vulnerability. So, it's advised and suggested that when you are dealing with a big issue in your life. Issues such as someone's death, you know coming out of an abusive relationship extra or anything that is affecting you emotionally at a deeper level. Do not get into new relationships because it is then you become the supply for a narcissist.

Hello and welcome to day three of the Harvey Weinstein trial on filtered a daily podcast. We bring you the evidence and witness testimony verbatim just as its spoken in court. So we bring you the most exciting Parts the most dramatic parts of the Harvey Weinstein trial using transcripts and voice actors. We reenact each day as testimony. So you will hear what happened that day in court and if you're enjoying this podcast, please remember to leave a five star rating and write us a comment and already we want to thank the person Who told us that we are in fact pronouncing Harvey Weinstein's neum incorrectly, but you know what there wasn't many Harvey Weinstein's are Weinstein surround bundoran or oh my when we were growing up growing up. So we have MS and Michael Henry. Yes, and I'm feeling like earlier and we're this is the Harvey Weinstein trial on filtered and we're going to get straight into the evidence and that we heard today. Yeah, a lot of quite a few heated arguments actually. Yes and quite a few celebrity, you know a lot of celebs. Celebrity witnessed was a few celebrity walk-on Parts a few celebrity mentions. So the in fact actually, you know, apparently Ellen Barkin was there yesterday. I certainly didn't spot her but we were told that but today yeah, we had we had Rosie Perez today that's you know, she was a witness who almost didn't appear that the defense fought tooth and nail to keep her out but the prosecution argued, you know, really for separately. The jury should hear evidence or evidence was very dramatic and not good for Weinstein. She give evidence in the afternoon, but in the Earning we heard from dr. Barbara Zev. This is one of you might recognize that name. So dark doctors as is a forensic psychiatrist and she famously give evidence in the Bill Cosby case. So and I think I think we saw she's been given its kind of her career. She is a great defense sort of us for hire. So she's a professor by the way in Temple University in Philadelphia am and she was there. To explain today why and this is important the case why Weinstein's alleged victims were continued to be in contact or even in relationships. What's the defend even though they had been raped or sexually assaulted by a man? She wasn't in my opinion with you and you know, not that can she was convincing my not sure she scored a lot of points, but we're going to hear some of those points. Yeah, but I think one of the things that struck me that really stuck stuck in my head was if you got a professor of Psychiatry and somebody who's also yet touring the country with you know with these with this research basically that she's done interesting and obviously the defense pointed that out that she actually hasn't published any papers. And yes, I mean you and I we have a few friends who are psychiatrists and they certainly have published. Yeah, that's true actually and that fact that she hasn't public. Red lot of papers, but she hasn't published any so in my opinion, you know, I actually was a little her evidence really sums up the Crux of this case, you know, the prosecution talked at the beginning about hearing her truth. And the defense said we should be focusing on the truth and doctors gives evidence summed up this conundrum. She's claiming something that many people would find hard to accept that a rape victim could write a loving emails to a rapist or be in a relationship with a rapist. The fence is urging the jury after after an alleged after After a rape that you would have this lengthy that so that was dark. That's what doctors is, you know, her role basically in this case is that they know they want her to come in and say that there's nothing unusual to see here basically, excuse me, and people who have been really raped by Harvey wants and that they would then have morenstein that she that they would then continue to have like friendly relationships friend relationship with him for years afterwards. Yes that that actually so that was what that's why she was on top of her job to square that Circle. Yeah, and but I think not Being a published paper I think does is it takes a lot away from the strength of her testimony. I have defense the defense in return it are urging the jury to reject this academic Theory and to apply common sense to this verdict so that you know, it may have her evidence definitely sums up the case. So and then at the end of the day there was a kind of celebrity walk on witness Carrie young farmer New York model. She was a witness for a while very famous for what? But now her major to let you know he's everywhere. Her major claim to fame is that in 1997 to 1999. She did it a little-known real estate developer called. Mr. Donald Trump is he happy literally is everywhere. Yeah. I mean, it's like yeah, we're three days into this trial and it's already we got Donald Trump. And remember in the first day. We had Bill Clinton. Yeah, and actually just to show you how much the mighty has fallen the defense asked for a mistrial because the prosecution Associated Harvey Weinstein was built for yeah that by doing that that it was defamatory basically there was a kind of extraordinary and kind of funny how far we built in this phone so so then so she she heard evidence base he was such as watching an Oscar party with Annabella ski Aura and in 1994 she thought she was jittery she noticed that she had cut herself you know and it was a party and Gary oldman's house and so it was a small walk-on part of this former model you know who but who had dated Donald Trump the prosecution tried to claim that this kind of behavior by her the jitteriness and all that could have been miss gears alcohol more valium addiction withdrawal because she was she admitted to having a drink problem and a Valium problem so you know there was an interesting Mansion also of the actress Rose McGowan who claimed to be he asked them to be a Weinstein victim giving a lot of emotional interviews and press conferences about the movie producer She today a private investigator give evidence that been contact by Weinstein's lawyer in August 2017 and Weinstein looking for investigations to people who may be cooperating with the journalist and almost in passing. He added that. Mr. Weinstein said he was being extorted by the actress Rose McGowan. Although the defense had initially objected to the witness being called they made a lot of capital out of mr. Weinstein saying spontaneously that he was being extorted trying to plant an alternative motive for the allegations in the jury's mind. Before we before we get into, you know hearing some of the testimony just to remind everyone, you know, if somebody has just tuned in for the first time to remind you of what this trial is all about. And this is the case basically launched which launched the me to movement movie producer Harvey Weinstein faces two charges of rape and one of a criminal sex act. He also faces two charges of predatory sexual assault which carry a possible life sentence. So prosecutors are arguing that Weinstein displayed a pattern of predatory behavior and they use the word predatory all the time. They'll be calling for of the witnesses who They are also victims who will help prove a pattern of behavior. But Weinstein is not facing charges connected to this Behavior. So again, as I said, we first of all heard this morning from dr. Barbara the live at the professor from Temple University. And as I said, there was this question about her her qualifications, lets just hear you guys just hear that let's exchange between game on show on us therefore the offense defense attorney for mr. Weinstein and Doctors live and don't forget this is Proctor's acting what actually happened in court, this is verbatim. This dialogue is from the court. So let's hear it a few more questions about your qualifications. You talked about the literature involved in these types of situations sexual assault and you are very familiar with that literature. Yes. Did you ever author any literature in the area of sexual assault victims or deal with sexual assault have I publish any papers know? An eccentric witness For Hire that hasn't published any papers. It's unusual and I will admit I think it's a lot more than unusual actually because I think you know, you know and we have a few family members in the medical profession ourselves. And you know, we know that having published paper it's a thing and by the way, it's actually frowned upon by the way. It's actually in Ireland and England. It's very fragile and probably if you haven't published and I think it's Bizarre, by the way, she's actually a professor at Temple University and hasn't published. You know again, I thought that was very odd. Yes. We're going on to the next section here film. Where is where where where doctors say Gets to kind of talk about her research inverted commas research because obviously it hasn't been published and really what her research is about is about rape myths which are things like, you know, she apparently that you know that people the belief that people that rape is carried out mostly by strangers and I think well, in fact, you know, most ribs are carried up by people that people don't live I think we all kind of knew that I'm not sure it's a rip meth anymore. Like I'm sure whatever it meant, but you know, I thought that was well, I mean, it's well no one no, but I mean she's a little bit one, but I think what she's really famous for and the reason that she's been pulled into this trial. Of particularly, is that she and she's going to explain that we're going to hear that in a moment is why rape victims may not tell anyone about the attack and maintain Communications with their attackers after yes, because it's a friendly Communications because that is a big sticking point of this this this case that many of these alleged victims maintain extremely friendly. I mean, we have to be property and romantic exactly and I don't know that was some of them romantic related connections and I think as we said on the very first day, you know, we'd heard from the defense when they were laying out there. You know that what we're going to be hearing over the next week. And you know in one case one of the accusers, you know, in fact after the rape wanted to introduce her mother to Harvey Weinstein, you know quite unusual stuff really you would have thought so this is why we're going to hear. Dr. There's so let's hear this. Now. Remember this is actors doing this verbatim and we're going to hear dr. Of is tell doctors of doctors of excuse me. I don't have style doctors have tell and the court and about rape myths. Let's hear that. Another common rate myth is that victims of sexual assault resist their assailants? This is not true the vast majority. Actually. I need to be clear when we're talking about rape myths. There are rape myths that apply to different populations the rate myths that apply to children are different than adult females and they are different than those that apply to males. So these are rape myths specific to adult females who have been sexually assaulted by a male. So it is also very commonly. Leaved and wrong that victims of sexual assault resist their assailants only between 20 and 40 percent of individuals and sexual assault that occurs in that rare circumstances of an individual who is being raped by a stranger and some of the research includes being raped by more than one individual at a time. So, these are people who are confronted with the stereotypic person in the dark alley and possibly a weapon. So even in those circumstances most women only We between 20 and 40 percent of women shout out scream yelling very few people run and physically resist other than struggling. It is also pretty rare and the most common type of physical resistance demonstrated by men women when faced with a stranger rape is kicking. So this idea that women respond to sexual assault by verbal screaming yelling hitting punching biting. Lou that happens it is rare the next myth doctor another common misconception is victim of sexual assault promptly reports the assault. This is absolutely untrue the vast majority of individuals who are sexually assaulted do not report promptly the time it can range from days to weeks to months to years to report a sexual assault to never it is according to the Bureau of Justice statistics. It is the most underreported crime does This mean report at all versus report to the authorities. Well, so there are two levels one is reporting to law enforcement that is so as you go up the ladder of intensity becomes less and less common. So many individuals who are sexually assaulted will tell somebody a friend a parent not everybody but many very few people than will report to a doctor or counselor or a spiritual advisor and then the next level up is to law enforcement and even fewer report to law enforcement. Next myth another very common misconception is victim of sexual assaults don't have contact with the perpetrator following the sexual assault. It is extremely common. In fact, it is the norm for individuals who have been sexually assaulted especially by somebody they know to have subsequent contact with the individual now that contact can range from having text messages or email exchanges with them to continuing in a row. Ancient ship with them or to developing a relationship with them even if one did not exist before the sexual assault when we talk about children we talk about the carrot and the stick or I do in terms of how perpetrators gain compliance the stick aspect of why do women continue to have contact with the perpetrator include the fact that as devastating sexual assault is most individuals think okay. I can put it behind me. I can move on with my life. Life, I'm just going to put it in a box and forget what happened? I don't want it to get worse. I don't want this individual who had sexually assaulted me to ruin my reputation ruined my friendships put my job in Jeopardy. I can handle this physical trauma, but I God forbid. They ruin the rest of my life make it impossible for me to go on add to that the fact that perpetrators of sexual assault often not only have overpowered an individual action overruled. Not only have they overpowered a woman physically showing that they can dominate their body often. There are threats either implied or explicitly said to an individual if you tell anybody this all ruin your reputation, if you tell anybody this nobody's going to believe you perpetrators say that to kids they also say that two adults. I'll bring you down. I'll make sure that you pay for it. So there is both sometimes an implied threat sometimes an explicit threat And always a worry on the part of the victim that the individual the perpetrator can invade other aspects of their life and ruin their life even more profoundly than being sexually assaulted now on the flip side of that is the desire remember 85 percent of sexual assault is perpetrated by somebody known to the offender. We all know individuals who are in a situation of domestic abuse those women do not not always leave. In fact, they frequently do not leave and they stay for a long period of time and they may think about it, but they don't do it. Why is that because they have a connection to the individual you often hear women who have been sexually assaulted say they feel like damaged goods they feel like I'm used Goods. Anyway, why not Sometimes women go and have subsequent contact with the perpetrator because they cannot really believe this happened to them. They want some explanation. Out how they can live with this how they can hold onto this relationship or image. They had of this person that they knew and they are hoping this is just an aberration. You hear that all the time that they go back thinking I can just bring this back to Baseline. I can just pretend this whole thing never happened and I can continue to have a relationship with this person and we can move on You know, there are other reasons to the individual. None of us just one quality individual may have other positive qualities and the victim will say you know, what? Yes, he did this horrible thing. But look at all these other good things he's done. So all those things go into play in terms of subsequent contact. It is the normal and often what happens honestly is if women go back to have contact with the Which they almost always do and a lot of times they do believing. Okay. This is outside the normal but we can go back to square one and sometimes what happens is that a second sexual assault occurs. It might not occur at the first meeting, but it might occur six months later a year or two years later, which is each more devastating for that person because one of the things I think we'll talk about the First Response of women sexually assaulted is to blame themselves. Elves it is another part of the rate myth you have done something to bring this on you that is not true, but people do feel that way and then when they go back and if they're sexually assaulted again, they think in Spades, oh my God, I was an idiot. What was I thinking without knowing their behavior is actually entirely expected. So then in what was a very good result for the prosecution, dr. Viv apparently, you know spontaneously brought up ways. people might try and stop a sexual assault by saying, you know, I have my period or you know that the after a rape the people might cut themselves and you know that self-harming be self-harming Behavior which you know seemed very bizarre because it kind of completely perfectly mirrored what Annabella skewer I had said yesterday in court where she said that after the rape and the that she had caught herself and also that you know, she claimed at some stage one of the victims that claimed at some stage that did that they you know, it said I'm on my period and this was a way of getting him to stop so, you know that whatever doctors have denied nobody's knowing anything about any part of the case. That's but that's here give out evidence to the prosecutor Jonah Lucy or barban. This is a an exchange between them. And again, it's actors reading the verbatim dialogue and we will point out that you know this graphic detail. In many of these exchanges but so exercise some discretion lastly. Dr. One can determine a myth being one can determine whether somebody has been raped by their behavior. All right, there have been lots of studies about victim response before during and after a sexual assault and almost everything that I have told you about the fact that women don't typically scream engage in physical aggression towards their perpetrator. But it goes beyond that Studies have shown that individuals in the middle of sexual assault do everything from comply to give a false statement to saying, you know, no I've got my period or I have a sexually transmitted disease to responding reflectively. I have individual who are sexually assaulted by someone. They know it is a disorienting experience. And so they may respond their emotional shape memory suppression may not Will they are horrified or grossed out whatever they may tell you that that is their internal experience, but that is not what is reflected the aftermath of the sexual assault behavior is also variable. There are over a hundred behaviors of individual who have been raped by strangers that have been identified. So individuals may retreat they met in the aftermath of a sexual assault engage in promiscuity self-injury, just behave You're like cutting burning themselves drink. They may use drugs. They may become outgoing. They may become withdrawn. There are a whole range of behaviors. None of which tells you whether a sexual assault occurred or not. So yes, you know coincidental details there. She did fists of questioning from defense attorney about that. She denied it. So, you know, in fact doctors have said she had never read any Articles at all up at the Harvey Weinstein kiss which actually was one of the more I'm unbelievable parts were evidence that yeah, you know, that's not the cheat stop reading when she was given evidence or she's never read any article anywhere and it's kind of about the Harvey Weinstein. So that's I have to say it'll stretch credibility given I mean I got just today. I was just like flicking through like the New York Times the New York Times. I don't you know, like seven art whatever, you know, it's huge. It's everywhere like it's I mean, you know, we're in the court every day and we could see like the You know, there is this like, you know, that's why we're there. That's why we're there at five o'clock in the morning is because like there's you know, 70 70 journalists in the room, but then the what another 200 outside the airport so talking at five o'clock this morning, I'm sure everyone out there is very concerned about our health and well-being and we want to report the weather in New York is improved. Yes, and yeah, it hasn't been it's not quite as life-threatening being there for but we will tell her but we're having a good time today, but we will talk another day about ways to keep warm in the Because we're actually getting super clever about it and people are kind of bonding about ways to keep warm. But am so back to doctors doctors a van fist some pointed questions from Denman sure honest Harvey Weinstein is defense lawyer. One of them interestingly. This was the first day the judge had a significant part in the trial and he was quite snippy as Judge James Burke was quite snippy with both the defense questioning, you know of doctors have been quiet and cord up to then actually and funny. I had thought you know, Seeing him on the opening day of the trial, you know back when it was opened in January 6 and then during jury selection and bail hearings mean this judge threatened to put Weinstein and Weinstein in jail for having a mobile phone. So I thought he was going to become a real character in the trial has been very quiet up to now, but today he came out in his own he was leaning forward very member that is very interesting Lee sort of aggressively intervening in questions during during doctors of testimony. So But let's hear now. We'll hear the defense team led by Dem ensure honest today trying to basically trying to demolish doctors and by asking her about ma'am about memory and particularly this thing that people do called relabeling where people relabeling events or something happens to you and then afterwards you decide to relabel it and other words because you regret it and you then decide, you know, it retrospectively, you know, I'm going to put a new a new name and your name on this. So let's Hear that exchange. And again remember these are actors with the actual words that were used in the trial today. You testified about memory. Dr. Ziv? Yes, and how memory I believe in one of your slides. You said memory can be a I don't want to misquote you it's complicated right that was in one of the slides. Yes. And you said that memory of traumatic events is different than memory for other events. Yes. Now along the lines of memory. Are you familiar in the literature with the concept of Relabeling. Yes, and what I mean by relabeling is after a sexual encounter, the individuals can relabel that encounter as something else. No, first of all, you're making an inference relay bullying is when you experience something and overtime it you sort it into a different bucket in your memory. Well, you gave an opinion or an example of a victim of sexual assault in your paperwork who may be sexually assaulted but not realize it at the time was it was sexual assault for certain reasons, right? Well, they might not realize that it constituted illegal sexual assault a rape. That doesn't mean that they didn't know what happened to them was not was against their will but it means that they didn't know that. I mean people the individuals who are victims of sexual assault live in the same community that we all live in and it's not uncommon for individuals to believe that you say you can rape only refers to stranger rape. So a lot of people adhere to that and so it doesn't mean that they don't know they didn't want to have sex or it doesn't mean that they didn't know that they were assaulted. It just means that they don't know that this is legally an issue. Do you think of dr. Can I have would you agree that an individual could reinterpret after the fact things they had done that they regret? Yes, even a sexual relationship. They can sure you have heard of the term consensual unwanted sex. Haven't you I have heard of it. I think it is the most ridiculous concept and it is not a consent that is accepted in any field that I know of. Let me ask you this. Dr. Sieve. Can you think of a scenario where an individual a man or a woman would have sex for a reason other than love or attraction? Yes, I talk about that in my report you can have sex just because you want to have sex you can have sex because it is an exchange prostitution or it is an exchange for something else sure, but those parameters are set up beforehand. There is an expectation that you have agreed to this interchange. And would you agree that it's been reported on that? Individuals who are involved in transactional sex, although consensual may have regrets about that people can have regret about anything sure. I understand that specifically a situation where two individuals have sex and one of the individuals thinks that it's shameful. They could have regret about that over the years, correct? No, I don't think that that is a common experience. Of course anything is possible, but it certainly isn't common and then they could relabel a consensual encounter. As non-consensual years later because of the regret and shame anything is possible. It's not usual. So most of the morning was those dominated by by doctors is testimony actually and mr. Shrillness and again scored some more points because he raised the unfortunate situation where the doctors have had given evidence in the previous court hearing for the defense in a kiss were a school called, Virginia. Wesleyan was been sued after student claimed she'd been raped. Mr. Chao has read doctors gives testimony which seemed to imply that she summarized it. A false rape allegation because the victim had not struggled and and fought back. Mr. Chao has said this undermined her evidence in the Weinstein case because she'd said, you know so many as you heard earlier so many victims don't most victims don't struggle and fight back because of the nature of rape. So so she in one case he says not fighting back as a sign that's a false rape them. But now she say no, this is actual proof that it is very, yeah. So this is kind of a, you know, a classic, you know discovering a hurry now. In a pretty massive contradictions and finally got so testy between the two of them but judge Burke eventually lost his patience and try to sort of shut them down. Let's hear that and in that case by the way when you were hired by the defense, you didn't talk at all about rape myths did you I wasn't asked about rape myths that's not what the point of the testimony was. Yes, we can agree regardless of that testimony that some individuals who are sexually assaulted will fight back. Yes. So if somebody says they fought back that doesn't mean they are not telling the truth. Does it correct and individuals who false report regarding sexual assault may say they fought back, correct? Correct. You also talked a little bit about the delay and outcry. Yes. And when I say a delay an outcry what I mean is a situation where an individual was sexually assaulted may not go to the police right away, correct, and I agree a hundred percent that that's accurate objection to mr. Sharath. Opinion sustained. I don't quarrel with you on that not every individual who is sexually assaulted goes to the police right away injection re sustain this time. You did meet me though, right? Not everyone sexually assaulted goes to the police, correct and not everyone sexually assaulted outcries on a schedule right? Correct? Okay, some people who are sexually assaulted may wait a long time or never isn't that fair? Correct? Yes. You would also agree that a false accuser may not report for a number of days or weeks. Right? I don't know what you mean. Somebody who wasn't actually sexually assaulted may wait three months later to say they were sexually assaulted from what if there is no instant offense if there is no sexual assault. So then what do you dating that from well a situation where maybe there was a sexual encounter and three months later. They say they were assaulted it. Could it could happen? It could it could happen years later as well, right it could and if a woman is sexually assaulted and she reports it right away. It doesn't make her less credible. Does it know and one of the issues regarding prompt outcry and this sort of covers some of the issues you've discussed is that you don't think you should take anybody at their word for anything when there is an allegation of criminal behavior. Isn't that true? Yes, and you said that to CNN didn't you? I don't recall you said it and you know, it was published. I don't know if it was published but I believe that you also remember saying that the me to movement doesn't educate people about why perpetrators or victims behave the way they do. Yes. Did you also say in a way they serve as I think sort of a shield behind which women and some men can sort of hide behind and not push the conversation forward. Yes. Did you also say it almost has become distorted to the point where if I Me too then. Okay, then you just have to believe me too. Objection judge overruled. You said that yes, you said that I think it does a disservice to everybody to individuals who have been accused of sexual assault as well as victims of sexual assault. Yes. You talked a lot about memory. Was that a question? I think you know it was well, it depends I've heard you do that before. I know you do that to lawyers when they asked questions section objection judge sustained. Mr. Schurr onus if you persist in that I will ask you to wrap it up. I apologize. Dr. Sieve. Do you think that if something happens closer in proximity and somebody reports it soon the more accurate? It's going to be I think that you can say that about a lot of things. I think that that is yes. I think that is generally true now in other words if something is happening the closer in proximity somebody reports it the more accurate it is going to be correct, correct. And if we are relying on something that happens a year and a half later or after all of this attention is that reliable? You said something like that Pardon Me Do you remember saying if we are relying upon something that happens? Year and a half later in a deposition or after all of this attention. Is that reliable? Not really. Did you say that in relation to the Virginia case again? You're distorting what I said the Virginia Wesleyan case was sewed. Is it going to be more reliable close in time to the event? Sure, for example, the woman that I told you 30 years ago remembered the door clicking which he said about that night about the core issues of that night were almost identical to what she has said in real-time 30 years before what wasn't was what she had to eat, you know irrelevant things. So is it probably more accurate her account of those trivial things about you know, what she ate that night ordered. Yes. It probably is but the central elements were the same. Okay, so, you know, it is true that if your clothes and time to an event your memory forever. Relevant or extraneous details will be better. But that doesn't mean that your memory for a core traumatic experience is going to be much different one of the things you referred to in what I just read to you was if it happens a year and a half later after all this attention. Is that reliable? Well, all of this attention refers to the fact that she change her story about the core issues. So it started out with maybe something something it actually started out with her going the day following him and having sex with this guy saying having brunch or whatever with her College friends pointing him out and saying, you know, I had sex with him and he's ugly and then that overtime morphed into I think I may have been sexually Lee assaulted it moved into I believe I was drugged and sexually assaulted and then became I was sexually assaulted I was vaginally raped I was anally raped and I was he forced me to give him oral sex and then it became I was incontinent of feces and then it became I was bleeding everywhere. So the core elements of the story were so wildly disparate that that's what made it not credible. Okay. And one of the claims in that case was that the young woman claimed she had PTSD, right? Yes. And you said that PTSD is easily faked, didn't you? Yes, and PTSD is easily faked. No, it's not easily faked in terms of having demonstrated symptoms. It is easily you can easily endorse all of the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. You can say I have all of the you can list the symptoms so it's easily faked. Well, I wouldn't say that it is easily you have to evaluate every case of post traumatic stress disorder from lingering because it does rely upon self report. So I mean, is it easy to fake real symptoms of hyper-vigilance? No, not really you are aware that in that case other Healthcare professionals diagnosed her with PTSD. Yes, you just disagreed with that. I said there was no evidence about that. Are we re trying this case? No, I'm asking you testified about TSD on direct examination. That is I am asking you please. Mr. Sarunas next question then in a testy cross-examination by mr. Shrillness, the judge finally called a halt to questioning about the Wesleyan case the doctors if you just told Miss Lu zhi and members of the jury that the young woman from the Virginia Wesleyan case had severe psychiatric disorder. Yes, you are aware in that case. A number of other medical providers said she had PTSD. SD as it related to the rape, she claimed I'm aware of that you met her one time right? I met her one time but I had records that documented her psychiatric history and all of her other history educational history social history for months and months and years. Actually, what did you diagnose that young woman with borderline personality disorder. Nobody else ever diagnosed her with that. Nobody else had done a comprehensive evaluation the For our comprehensive and seeing her medical records section sustained as to scope move on and at that time you made that evaluation. You were hired by the defense attorneys, right injection sustained move away from Virginia Wesleyan police. Miss. Lucy asked you some questions about individuals asking direct questions. Remember that objection? No, I don't. She asked you about interview objection sustained. She asked you about secondary game. You asked me about secondary gain. Mmmmmm. She didn't ask you about it. I don't recall objection. I was precluded from doing it sustained. So it remains to be seen just how convincing the jury will find doctors live after she left the witness box that end. There was a very lengthy back and forth between the prosecution lawyers and the defense about the admissibility of actress Rosie Perez as a witness. Obviously the prosecution really wanted her and the defense didn't yes what eventually happens? Well, then let's well, let's remind people who Rosie Perez is she is oscar-nominated actually correct oscar-nominated actor. Yes, she was in we believe she was in do the right thing the opening scene our sound engineer here who's up with everything but what the young people for the young people and all the celebrity gossip tells us know so she's and she's too many as if I mean if you look her up online you ever want to recognize or she's a very recognized was impressive in the witness box. She was small she was diminutive. She was you know feisty when she had to be but mostly she answered the questions, you know, it wasn't a good witness for the defense. And actually the whole argument was originally she wasn't allowed in but According to the prosecution the defense opened the door by challenging on a ballast Geass credibility. So then they could bring in this person who could then bolster the cannibals and the judge agreed with them. So it was kind of an own goal by the defense, but let's hear it but let's hear this. So first of all, we're going to hear from the prosecution questioning and Miss Perez about her relationship with Annabella skewer and about what you know, what she remembered happening back in in the in the 90s, so Let's hear that again. We've got some actors playing the roles here, but this is the words that were used in the court today. Directing your attention to a night that she was living in The Gramercy Park apartment and you called her to go out with you. But the conversation between what I have to direct her to a point overruled, go ahead. Do you recall that moment? Yes, I do. Do you recall the day specifically or even the year specifically? I don't know the date. No, but I would say it was probably around 1993. Why did you call her on that particular evening? To hang out to go to a nightclub that fun and can you tell the jury to the best of your recollection what that conversation how that conversation went. I called her up. I was in pretty jovial mood. Hey Annabella, what's up? One day if you wanna hang out and she was talking in this very strange whisper voices if she was hiding from someone I said what's wrong with you? And she said I think Something bad happened and I said, what do you mean something bad to happen? What happened? And she said I think I was raped and the way she said it was so strange because she was still whispering and she said I think I was raped in her voice started Shakin and I said that do you think or did it happen and she goes I think it was rape and she started crying and I said, well who did it? Do you know who did it? And she said I can't I can't I can't that I could hear. Crying I said what happened? And she said I woke up on the floor and my nighty was up and it was a family heirloom. She started crying and said I can't I can't I gotta go. I said wait wait wait, you have to go to the police? Are you? Okay? I can't they can't and she hung up the phone and I kept trying to call her back all night long and I was so upset than she. When I pick up the phone was miss yours tone of voice different than her tone of voice was usually very very very different. It was very different now Miss Perez. Did you have an opportunity in these last few months of 1994 to have a conversation with Annabella she Aura when she was in London yes or no. Yes, and at that time after having your conversation initially with Miss Yura, did it occur to you that you might know the identity of the person that She Aura said raped her in the months before she went to London objection. Yes sustained as to the way you asked that question. Okay, I'll try again. How long after your initial conversation with Miss Yura when she had that low voice and told you that she thinks something bad happened to her that conversation how long had it been between that conversation and the conversation that you had with her in London? It was several months later. Yeah, it was several months later. What did miss your a tell you this time about what happened to her those months before or what happened to her the time she told you those months before happened to her in New York. Just tell us please. What did she say about what happened to her in New York those months before she told me that it was in fact Harvey Weinstein that raped her. She told me that he showed up at her door and she was Confused why he was there standing there and that he pushed his way through the door and she was crying and saying I tried to fight back. I tried I tried and then she said that she ended up in the bedroom with her hands pinned over her head and that he raped her and then he pulled out and you have to just say it. He came on her leg. And on her nightgown and I said, oh the family heirloom. And she was crying and she said yes, and she swore to me never to tell anybody and I told her that you should go to the police. Please go to the police and she said I can't he's destroying me he's Gonna destroy my career objection overruled next question. Have you remained friends with miss your essence? Yes. So if you're enjoying this podcast, we would really appreciate your support. You can donate at the unreported story society.com and we're dependent on the kindness of strangers to keep us on the road. We think that people are really enjoying the podcast. So, please help us out by going to the underreported story society.com and all your all your Nations will be tax deductible. Yeah, we really appreciate that. This this is is an expansive but important task we're doing and we appreciate all your help. So today I you know in conclusion, you know after that dialogue I would say today wasn't a great day for the defense, but they did get a few wins from prosecution witness Rosie Perez, you know, and I do think you know, again we talked about this over the last, you know, we've mentioned this a few. Two times that it was mentioned by the defense that you know, they're talking to the jury the jury Army, you know, this is a jury of ordinary people. This isn't a jury of experts and so, you know these Ordinary People need to need to think the things that make sense things need to make sense and I have to say I thought this was a little bit of a win actually for the defense because there was a there was an aspect of this Rosie Perez story that just did not make sense. So we're just going to we're going to hear that first and then we little talk about it afterwards, but I just think This was a little bit of a win in terms of common sense. So let's just hear that now and then let's talk about it. So to be fair when you called her and she said I think I was raped you didn't know if she was talking about something that just happened. Did you what do you mean in other words? She didn't say I think I was raped a week ago. She said I think I was raped right? She didn't give a timeline. So is it fair to say in your mind calling a friend to go out? She could have been talking about something that just occurred, right? I don't know. Well, she said I think I was raped she sounded according to you. She was talking in a whisper, right? Yes. She sounded scared. Yes. She told you that she thinks she was raped and then she woke up in her heirloom. Nightgown was pulled up right? Can you repeat that please sure when she whispered she thought she was raped she told you when she woke up her heirloom nightgown was raised. Yes objection to the phrasing of that. Old. So again, you didn't know if that was something she was saying happened a long time ago or just at night, right? I don't know depends. Well, if one of your best friends calls you up and says I think I was raped and they sound scared you yourself would have been nervous right? You would have been worried for your friend. Yes. I'm Jackson speculation. It's not overruled. You would have been worried for your friend. I was worried for my friend. You didn't know somebody had hurt her. Correct. That is correct. You didn't know if she was injured at that time when she called you right? Right. I assume she was okay, you didn't go over to her apartment did you know because she would not pick up the phone? Well, your friend just told you that she thinks she was raped hangs up the phone. You did not go to check on her didn't go to the apartment. How did you call the police she told me I told her you should call the police. She said no I can I can I can so when the phone is hung up. You are sitting there thinking my friend may have just been raped. Correct? Yes. You said you called a couple of times? No, I was not thinking she may have been raped. I was thinking she was raped maybe that day. I don't know if it was that day. I did not say that you didn't go over there. I didn't. Over there because she would not pick up the phone and I was very upset. I was very very shook myself. We covered you did not call the police or fire department, correct? She did not I didn't you didn't know I did not anyone listening there. I mean anyone listening there anything you think you've just you phone your phone a dear friend a dear friend like the best one of your best friends to friends has this voice like a terrified voice says that been raped obviously doesn't specify when but it seems like it's obviously just happened because of the fact that the voice is gone really low and should matter previous to that and nothing good happens with this issue sounding totally different and you're in New York. She's in New York. Like you're just a really fun. You're both from Brooklyn. Planning, you know your jaw cross cut down. By the way, this is New York everything. It's so easy, you know, it's easy to do things here, you know in terms of getting from one place to another you just jump a hop in a cab and stuff and you know, the fact that she didn't move you know, that she didn't move that. She left your friend and this incredible State and all you got to do by the way is okay. She didn't answer the phone right? Here's what I would do I jump in a cab you just jump in a cab by the way, just get over there knock on the door and say hey let me and well, let's talk about of the are you our go to the doorman because there's a doorman on the building, of course as as Harvey Weinstein, Kings lawyers pointed out in yesterday's hearing, you know, he could not have got the 17th Floor without compassion drama. So you go there and you get the dorm on the phone up and say your friends down here. Shall I send her up? She didn't do that and you know, it's this lack of curiosity this lack of action that you know, and you think it's well, I mean somebody's voice sounds terrified, you know, and she's not answering the phone to you know, I have to I think most of us would phone the cops by the way and by the way that you know, it's not like, you know, yeah, this is when you do fall in the Cubs, by the way you The cops for something like this you say my friend has been on the phone Chimes terrified. She's been on your phone their mother or your phone their brother or you go. Well you go over you go over. Let's take a walk over. I think you definitely won't work. If you don't think that night you go over the next night. Either way, you're safe enough, by the way, because you are actually in a building where there is a doorman is to go into the doorman. You set a doorman when you come up with me, by the way, I'm a bit scared. I think something's happened or by the way. You know what I'm going to stay here in the lobby. Would you go up and check on her? Would you just do a just do a quick check check that she's also so that I have to say that was a guy that landed well for me. So basically we came to the the end of the day the jury were excused for the weekend. They were told again not to read anything. Don't read the newspapers don't discuss this case with anyone on funny. We were standing on the street. I saw some of the jurors coming out and I remember thinking I remember thinking, you know, it's very challenging by the way it is. I mean, it's really difficult. How do you keep your mouth shut you don't know how do you not reading it? Unless your doctor's if who's got this amazing transcendental ability to ignore everything is going around by the way. She's not the only one by the way because actually Rosie Perez is also taught that ability because they weren't she was also asked today. She was asked, you know. Did you know the Annabella skier? I give evidence yesterday. Oh, she didn't know anything about that. She did us because their stories were remark less with the defense. Demon. Sharona says your story is your story your story and Annabelle should see our as story with from 27 years ago are remarkably similar like the have not learned any sooner. Did you did you compare notes? She goes, you know from her testimony is just Why didn't even know she was giving yes. I didn't even see her one of your best friends giving testimony in the Harvey Weinstein trial about her rip what you You know something about and she didn't tell you she was giving evidence and she didn't see the news as well. By the way. She hadn't seen the new so she you know, so it unlike the rest of us. She's very disconnected. So does a little bit of data on the prosecution side. You have a number of witnesses who seem to be very living sort of basically actually somehow in the 90s actually before the internet kind of thing or the interwebs. But so yeah so so but as I said yet so the judge said admonished the jury and said, whatever you do don't talk to anyone and don't be reading the newspapers and don't be looking at the news. We however would say to you you are not in that position. So, please do share this podcast with your friends. Please do talk about the case and write to us. You can give us a racing. Obviously. We were recommending that you give us a five star rating. Yes and and leave us a comment and be in touch. And again, if you could give us a donation we would so appreciate that the unreported story society.com and on tax all of your donations are tax-deductible. We're going to be back next week starting Monday starting Monday. It's I mean, it's tough getting up at 5 a.m. And standing in the cold. And three or four hours, but I have to say it's really worth it. It's that once you get into the once you get into the courtroom. I have to say there isn't any difficulty with staying, you know, very focused because you know, there aren't it is there is never a dull moment. Yeah. Well, it's the world's worst Acoustics to recap you have to stay focused you can bear it son is it's very difficult to make but saying and you know, and this was you know, there's not that much levity in there either. I think that was the biggest laugh today actually biggest laugh of the trial was when he the the defense attorney. Have Rosie Perez a run of the Pharaohs book to read to compare what you said there what you said at that angle to my phone, but and was your prayers looks around the courtroom is does anybody have any reading glasses? Oh, yeah, exactly. And again again mentioning Ronan Farrow as we said as we said yesterday, you know, it's a very interesting thing that the guy who kind of basically sort of started all of this is nowhere to be seen. He's not in the courtroom, but he's given lots of interviews elsewhere and make His own podcasts and making and podcast putting the button interviewing other people but you know, it's different interviewing someone here and podcast room where there's no you couldn't there's no documents to contradict them. There's no cross examination and they don't have to produce any evidence. There's no consequences to lying. I mean if you're in a courtroom, so you're not you are red wires wife. Some of these journalists don't like quartz. This is why I like quartz is because it forces people to only talk with Evans not talk about emotions are spin stories and But having said that I think the prosecution had a very good week it started off bad. I think the opening day was bad for them. But since then they've had a couple of really good days for planting some pretty harrowing stories and images in the jury's mind. They'll find hard to shake off and what it's going to be. It's a marathon not a Sprint. It's a marathon not a Sprint and I you know, we could report that Harvey Weinstein looks as bad as the images that you're seeing when you are here when you see this on the television today Branson and show you saw the It came in the first day. You look very tired and Droopy and don't know the but boy was he paying attention yesterday and today I like today. He was he was studying more focused on he says he's writing notes all the time like furiously writing particularly yesterday with Annabella. She or he was he was he he wrote continuously and when they asked her actually I was I noticed that was really interesting when they asked him, you know - scuse me when they asked her to identify him in the court and she actually stood up dramatically and so Adam he actually I don't know if you spotted that he kind of lifted his hands in a little can. You know, he lifted his hand off the table in a kind of a you know a salute to her, but she wasn't she was very she know she was very studious leak avoiding looking at him and all of that. But anyway, so we're looking forward to next week and we're looking forward to continuing to to really win on this and to tell you the story again, as I said, please go on and on the podcast whatever podcast platform you're looking at this you're listening to this and give us five. Are raising please and lead of leave a comment and be in touch and don't forget to donate. Thanks so much. All the best. Bye. Bye. Today's podcast is produced by unreported story society and Magdalena sagada and Raquel, lermontov theater planners written and presented by failing McAleer and Anne McClain e directed by kif Shoal Jonah Lucy or bond is played by Michelle Gardner Judge James Burke is played by Thomas. Vasila, Rosie. Perez is played by Lizzie Pete Damon sure onus is played by David stem bra. You and dr. 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Day 3 of the Harvey Weinstein trial was filled with drama and surprises! And there was another celebrity witness today with the appearance of Oscar nominated actor Rosie Perez - she was the witness who almost didn't appear. The defense fought to keep her out of the courtroom but the prosecution argued just as vociferously that the jury should hear her evidence. Her evidence was damaging for Weinstein in that it backed up some of Annabella Sciorra's testimony from the previous day. Dr. Barbara Ziv, a forensic psychiatrist, also gave evidence. She was called by the prosecution to explain to the jury why Weinstein's alleged victims would continue contact or have friendly or even romantic relationships with the defendant even though they had been raped by him. Her theories are controversial and it remains to be seen whether the jury will be convinced by Dr Ziv. And just at the end of the day there was another celebrity witness. Kara Young, a former New York model, gave evidence. Young's major claim to fame was that she dated a Mr Donald Trump for two years in the late nineties. She told the court that when at an Oscar watching party in March 1994 she notice Annabella was acting strangely and was jittery and that there were long cuts on her upper thighs and that she asked Sciorra if she had been cutting herself. The testimony from Day 3 is quite compelling and we hope you enjoy the third installment in our series. If you enjoy this podcast, please send your tax-deductible gift to the Unreported Story Society at TheUnreportedStorySociety.com.

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So if you follow me, well, you know, we've been traveling around we hitting all of our major markets. So DC DMV, Maryland, Virginia, we are coming December 7th, December 8th. We got a whole eyl weekend planned and we have in a workshop on December seventh with two of our biggest.Amna mobile homes Elite and my God Wall Street wraps or something. Yeah, I walk Workshop about investing in mobile homes and a workshop investing in real estate stocks combined and empty the mortgage. I will be there as well. So you never know. He might talk about really a few of them that might show up as gonna be a whole Bob and then so then that's Saturday and then Sunday we're gonna have our very first live podcast ever and we're going to do it at Capital One Arena. That's what it was this play. Yeah, I think giving us they giving us the court. That's a fact that comes to the podcast they get tickets to the game right after the podcast. Yes, but it's not just a regular game. They play the Clippers and the Clippers have one of the best teams in the league. Yeah, one of the best players of all time Kawhi Leonard. Yeah and load management will not Workshop to $15 pretty much given it away. So if you're interested go to re Alicia.com under the events Tab and all of the information is there so all right. So as I said, this is very special because you know music is part of what be hard man, we grew up on HipHop specifically and we just loved music. So we talked we always quote Jay-Z all the time. You always qualities rappers and because that's kind of how we grew up just listening to rap. That's how we learn. That was that was our learning tool some some things we learn good some things we learn bad, right but that's how we learn. So my man Mickey faxes is perfect a perfect guest for UIL. So love he had a freestyle. Yeah about three months ago went viral on social media and it was what Funk flex and he was talking about credit right? And when I sort of freestyle couple people had the end me like yo, you should post this you're supposed to So when I actually set down because a lot of times you get stuff you only look at it. So once the third person hit me on my I'm actually that's three minutes of my time to look at this right and then I looked at it. I'm like yo, this is don't so I reposted it and then I went crazy on my page and then we connected and I'm like yo, like would you be interested in coming on the show? He's like, yeah for sure. So I'll run it down. He's a veteran veteran in the rap game over a decade of experience. He was on the double XL freshman of the Year cover two. Hip hip joint 2009 freshman, right? Yes, sir. Yeah. So Bronx native, we can't forget that. Yeah, you know rocks out the Quarry in the game have been on major labels independent labels drop projects works with some of the biggest names in hip-hop history from picking Drake to Kendrick Lamar pickle. Yeah. Yeah. Ho so, you know, it's he's the perfect guest to have because you know, when we talk about entertainment a lot of times people have aspirations of being in the entertainment business, but you know, they don't really know how to how that works. Right and I was telling make you off camera is like there's a lot more people that could relate to his story that could relate to Jay-Z right because it's far as being an independent artist and making a living for yourself and going on tour and selling merch and all of this stuff this all things that are viable career you making a living out of it, right? Right. So it's like as an artist there's no mentorship and there's no blueprint is no manual for this. Yeah, give us some some some free game. So yes, sir, first and foremost me. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Absolutely. Thank you for having me here man. This is gonna be great excited to have you man. Yeah, so all right, so we got to kick it off a little different how we usually kick off the podcast. I'll be kicking it off. All right, so you should say this all started with the funk Flex Freestyle, right? So we going We're going to have one up on Flex. Okay, I'm one up on the next block. Very first break in history. Very first BYO freestyle. Yeah, Mommy is going to bless us with a hundred bars. Yeah, Lisa, honey, and we gone and we going through it. So yeah whenever you ready man Okay cool. So I'm doing this freestyle, you know saying off of Dan from CV shout out the Nori nature pain.i P cam. So I was in jail. Yeah. With and swiss for making it here and I was like, you know, I want you to pick the topic. I want you to pick the beat, you know saying so Troy pick the beat Richard pick the top so, you know today we're going to be wrapping about you know, I'm saying entrepreneurs. I mean, let's get it going. Let's do it. Yes, so what I did on the flex show helping the people get out of debt grow Richard gave me a call and told me to flex Mo teach him how to work for themselves to get dope said Joe you can say ready for that. He said making yourself more credit than that. Just tell him the facts. That's when I start remembering back working at a law firm sorting mail in the back going to work very poor. I'm making twenty Kay a twenty four. I can't take it anymore. So I made it my business. This to make my own business create my own lane at the game hasn't it was other chocolate bars right in the next row the company made towards woman got rich. It's always a need for something. So they created a product to appease the public. So you gotta do the same. That's something in your own lane to hateful value for the customer you can get Game, you can put a barber shop next to a lounge or start a laundromat in the college town gotta know what you getting into is imperative research. Don't go in blind you to your arrogance. The doctor can't start a business without knowing this medicine and other can start a series without knowing the narrative structure man with the benefits. So your monkey know your demographic who you trying to start with. What is your business plan? Here's how you started. What is your company about? What do you call it? Layout the service? Tell us about the product flesh out the Push a revenue Target. That's what you make it now subtract what you spent just to make it. That's a process through the goal might give me your ticket from all his Pekin's I might get banned from TV with this preaching in Oregon have to re-release it as a remix an old six eyes and mixtapes with DJ's wore baggy clothes into toes with a mean face. I had glasses skinny jeans go supers cats all that said he had no future, but they were wrong. It's people were connected. Important to the brand and it was respected but Checker, I don't want to deviate from the message. Let's get back to this entrepreneur lessons. Sometimes people do it to get out of stressing working for the man to them becomes oppressive. So they start a business for income play but then worry about growth. So the income stays the problem is if they ever see an incoming rays that I arrest on a back now incomes Gray's you gotta have a good accountant what to deduct pay yourself your own salary. What is enough don't get too passive with Money you clutch or you won't be a mechanic thrown under the bus. Now, let's talk about the battery what people don't tell you 97 percent of businesses end in Failure. Not because what they did wrong other reasons and we break it down people go to a neighborhood restaurant every other weekend, you're going sister kid because the owner was the beacon what he wants to sell it to the food isn't season other customers see that and start leaving now, they gotta shut the business down where you eating because the founder and want to keep it another victim. Ample to believe in is how valuable is the product to those who need it is it like breathing isn't worth pulling my wallet out with the reasons or should I pass cause I ain't got Financial Freedom. These are things you gotta take into account a real entrepreneur his mother waiting it out. They start one company, let it make an amount and then sell it before it gets placed in the drought to start another company every couple years asking then repeat those steps kind of like StairMaster. This is not actually taught. These are gems that I'm dropping. Hope they Another thing stop trying to ask for support if your product is good then it's practically voice. So if your man's dick solar energy field that is basic and you don't support it the enforce it with a statement and its best in their dreams and say this best way to predict the future is for you to create it and this is for the worker bees. Don't get cocky you get paid for your work don't be snobs. So as to be the boss, you know, she's sloppy because a brand new fighter just won't hit Rocky ownerships. Not a reward for work. That's a paycheck only. So the ward for risk that's the Apex who's that a double tapping asses and muscles Google and research the past to the hustle get you a mentor and ask about the struggle to learn from mistakes. Don't brag keep a subtle. The last freestyle has the last nigger puzzled. I ain't rap about a ringing Howard flash on my nothing a couple people said they was trapped in the bubble today hurt my freestyle and a sister double some education and get you a portion self-education and get you a fortune when I get rich. It's a passion trust me and some people so poor all they really have is money. This verse ain't facetious. Take that lyric Down and break the words and pieces get you a nice life work cohesion. Get you one step closer to earning your leisure. You heard you heard it. Listen, listen, listen, listen one thing only. Fat is burned down my house man. I'm glad I got insurance Street. Lisa has been earned y'all. I mean I was on who first time ever. Yeah first time ever. Are you at leisure? Yeah. They don't be hitting us up now. Yo yo yo, yo, so yeah, this is gonna be this is this is dope because I so we got the freestyle and just burned it burnt it down completely and now we are going to the to the interview part of it to let people know who you are then also to give information for artists out there that that may not know. Yeah the game, right? Yeah. We said it's not something that's taught. It is no manual for it people learn on the Fly and forefathers before, you know, maybe they were learning on the fly as well. So it and pass it down so we don't get into that too. So can we talk about your journey? So I was interested so you were saying you was using college and that's using NYU. Yes, and I guess after one year you just figured that school route wasn't for you. Right? Yeah. I mean I was I was studying law, you know in paralegal studies specifically and I remember being in the front of Criminal Justice class drinking a triple shot of espresso coffee still falling asleep. And you know, I feel like you know and just Education Works for some people but for others is to retain some knowledge is just it just didn't work for me in that way. So I decided that you know, I was going to take something that I was doing as a hobby seriously. So I was like, you know what let me just you know at the time I manager and my and I was like yo, if you really want to do this, you got to be serious and quit so you started college already doing the music thing. I was already doing music before I went to college. I have prolonged college for like 6 years. I have went 2007. I had graduated high school. Mm. Okay. So since I got to college I did with most black people do they just get a job because they want to get to the money, you know, they want money. So I went and worked for six years and then I was like I let me go to school to make my mother happy but it didn't make me happy. So I just kind of left twenty four thousand a year couldn't take I was yeah. I was literally and this was also five. Oh four or five hours making 24,000. Yeah, you know so so, all right. So you decide to drop out of school. What is it? Like what's your next steps in order to pursue your music career? I mean at that time the internet was just budded and its pleasant. Yes, I was on Myspace heavy and we would change in top eights. We was making people change their topics, you know, I'm saying and we just kind of we had a graphic design person who knew how to work with the HTML and had our backgrounds looking good. So we were You know, we was a kind of ahead of the game in that aspect. So when people will go to my page they will see it was completely different from what other Myspace Pages were and we will also utilize in Facebook and Twitter around this time. This is before it was like what it is today. So we were using the internet when when hip-hop was denouncing the internet like hip-hop was denouncing it at that time musics being stolen music was right? It was being pirated still but people were still purchasing. It didn't go into the era of Music just yet. Okay, like you could get freestyle, like people will still buy music but people will go on these sites to get freestyles and certain videos, you know, I'm saying because there wasn't I think iTunes was out but it wasn't like concrete just yet. Yeah, so you built a team around you. Yeah. So who's consistent in his team in the early days? It was a saint he was my manager and creative director. Then I had Steve-O who is also creative director / and are Our I had a stylist choirs. I had a producer precise. I have my own personal assistant. Lakita. I had a hype man. So how did all this come about the far as like I you leave College? I'm assume you don't have any money. I had $10,000 see so how do you fund the operation at the beginning stages? I mean in 2007 from what I remember, we I put all my money into a project called flashback. Which was basically wrapping over old school beats, but we have my producer remake them to be newer. We wanted to get DJ's to but DJ's were too expensive. So we just basically created it put it on MySpace when we saw didn't do anything. We put it out July 27 2007. We saw I didn't do anything. I started working on another project called Heavens fall out and I sampled the Geico commercial beat my God. And I wrapped over that when I rapped over that. It started to gain attention because it wasn't a typical hip hop beat. Dan I sampled arms arms the arms race remix, which had Kanye on it and the Fall Out Boy's and Gym Class Heroes, okay. The Gym Class Heroes and Fall Out Boy's management heard that and called me. I was like, okay, we want to make you a part of this team. You know, we want to manage you it is all of my space and this is like unheard of around this time and then I put another record out called stop me. I sampled Daniel Merriweather and then I sampled another track called Tokyo shit when I did that that's when the fader picked me up for it. Okay, and then after once fader pick me up mind you this is no I didn't have no money. We did we haven't spent $1 yet once failed to pick me up everybody. Pick me up. You are be billboard Rolling Stone Vibe the sauce the sauce and double XL actually the last people to pick me up but at that point we were using the internet when other rappers really weren't like it was a couple of us like me Cuddy the cool kids who kids well, um while a we were like the One's using the internet to get out whereas there was like at that time. It was like 50 Cent Kanye. They will all still doing the traditional. There was still like a cruel of type situation. Right? Like you don't crew was high and then somebody from that crew was spawn off and they blow up but also the labels just didn't know how to maneuver on the internet. They tried to fight Napster. They tried to fight technology they fight to try to fight all of that and they didn't realize like they were guys that were more popular than me in the streets, but I Touring I was traveling. I went to Japan. I went to China before I performed in New York City by myself, you know I'm saying because I have fans all over the place and DJ's at the time in New York City were charging way too much money. I just couldn't afford it. So I made the internet my fan base. And then when I did that I started putting a song a week out every week. I put a new song out every week for free and when people saw the work ethic on that it just kind of was like when a mushroom when you say DJ's were charging too much you mean in this Sense of DJ's playing the records on the radio or DJ's making actual records for you. DJ's playing the records on the radio DJs to take your song and put it on a mixtape DJ's to host your mixtape DJ's to play the music in the club DJs to play the music at events. DJ is just a hear the song they wanted money. So that's crazy Paola Paola. That's a real thing. Paola is a real thing. Everybody's not fail. That's when you pay people to play music on radio stations the federal offense, right? It is a federal offense. So people really do that. You know, it's one of those things is one of those things without incriminating. I mean, I mean, it's one of those things where like if you hear a song on the radio or I mean first of all, I believe all of us in here we grew up in the era of the 90s and the 2000s Hot 97 it Power 105 at that point we all M naught we all tried to call up the HOT 97 any of us ever get through no, no never I've never trying to call when when DJ trailer was on KISS FM and did you ever get through never man? Never and you're not you know, you weren't going to get through because it's already a programmed kind of situation. The music is already programmed for what they're going to play a program director. They already does the songs are already programmed to play because Cuz of how popular it was ordered it already was or because the label paid for that. So, alright. I think the Reston I didn't know that even to put DJ's either hear your record, you know, all you have a his like yo, I don't take money. I don't think that's all the DJ's have too much power not anymore. They used to they used to have tons of power. Yeah. Well because I would imagine like in that and there was a certain time when DJ's would break the record right right now like the internet is breaking a record. Yeah. I mean people break their own records. I mean I mean when I wasn't when I was on Jive I was frustrated because I was like they wanted me to do the DJ stuff and DJ rich and and I want to say I'm not against DJ's but I felt like it was archaic because like at some point like people are not going to go to the radio to listen to music anymore. Yeah, they are all now, they're listening to music on Spotify. Listen to music or entitled it listening to you know, YouTube, so if I felt like it was archaic They didn't want to hear me with that the label that was like now you still got to do is look at it do it. I was like, okay, you know, what's crazy is that like the first time I heard about Takashi was like I think a year and a half ago and it was Uncle murders year lirikh. He does like the yearly recap. So he's mentioned his name and when he mentioned his name like, uh, I like Google him like I looked on Instagram and when I looked on Instagram, he had 2 million followers. Yeah something like, how is he? He's from Brooklyn. He got rainbow head. Yep. I'm like I know. That's what I have to say. I was so out of the loop. Julian people had already been following him. He's on tour overseas here was already hot. And I only heard about him because of Uncle Burton said it's being it was way bigger, Uncle Murda, right? The radio is only pain 12 records. If you listen to it is just 12 records over and over just an expanded in like they have maybe a new way to section right? That's like 45 minutes throughout a day most people in there cause it's the same records over Nova unless they're doing like a show like an interview is coming on. That's it. Yeah, I mean, I mean like Like what Richard just said like this I find new artists and I be shocked that they have over 500 thousand followers. I find new artists all the time and they just have tons and tons of followers and they sell out venues. They don't and I'm 1 million percent sure. They didn't pay a DJ to be on the radio. They didn't pay anybody that make it happen. It just kind of had their own following people brought into their brand. Like I said in the rap and he will connected to it and that's what made them popular. That's why Thing I think I'm broken Johnny has said that he's like you want to make it get out where you are. Yep right in your town. Then you see the old be in love with you then your stay will find you and then by that time industry will come get you. Yep. That's how it works. So I saw in the next segment. We're going to talk about your experience with going from a major to be independent or anything in between right? Ernest you currently paying off student loan debt interested in improving your financial literacy are looking for new ways to earn income and today's ever-changing digital landscape. Well on the talk money with the mesh lakhani podcast mesh will follow Paper Trails chat with experts break down complex ideas and bring Clarity to the mystical Financial phenomenon. Each episode will be filled with compelling stories covering a broad range of subjects from buying Bitcoin dealing with student loan debt and everything in between. Solution to talk money with mesh lakhani on Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast and learn how to spend invest in earn in today's economy. All right. So you were telling me that you actually have an interesting experience because you you've seen all sides of the game. Yes from from living the high life being on major. Yep labels to having endorsement deals from Fortune 500 companies. Yep to be an independent it having a grind it out yourself. So all right. Um, can we talk about your experience on on on the major labels? And how did that work out for you? Is it like because everybody talks about majors and but Giardia people that always My meters is always a bit. So it's interesting to me. Like even when kissing on was on a radio few years ago and said that they were gone like throw pop off a roof and all that shit. It's interesting because everybody has bad shots of child to kill that was that was that was a memorable time. Yeah beautiful tonight. They work that out. But everybody always has negative things to say about major labels, right? But everybody always size to major labels. Yeah, you know, I heard you like Jim Jones was probably one of the biggest independent artist, right? And he had said, you know, And independent until recently. He was like yo, you need the major because it's certain things that they can provide that you can't as an independent artist. Yeah. So who yeah your experience. How was it being on the because you want a few Majors? How was how was that experience? I mean it was it was a great experience and then it was like a weird experience. So the great experience of it was it was more clout for everybody basically, so like once you say I'll drive recording artist Mickey facts. It's like everybody All over you, you know I'm saying but essentially what it is is a bank loan, you know, they give you a lot of upfront money and you use that money to live off of and fund your project. You know, I'm saying use that and so they give you half up front and that half of whatever you sign for is to live off of that's the advanced that's the events and then the other half of the money is for your marketing budget and and whatever else that you spend studio time features production things like that. And basically if you run out of your money of The Upfront Advance money, then you have to kind of grind it out but its limitations on what you could do because the label still owns your name content and things of that nature before but one thing with me like before I did my deal I had the Honda commercial Shoo. I had a sponsorship with Puma. I had EA Sports scenarios. So I have my own merchandise. So when I signed to Jive battery, they couldn't take they couldn't 360 me because I was already moving and I was already already had certain situations put in place. So that was the good part of it, you know and being able to meet people that were in the industry go to the parties the events and and you know eat for free and things like that, but you know when it was time. Time to kind of put the music out Jive have folded. So everybody that was on job at the time Justin Timberlake Chris Brown myself. There was a couple other artists that was on there like big pop artists like they would have big pop leibel we all were in limbo. So I'm got moved to RCA had a whole nother team a whole nother deal and it was rough because it was people there who didn't believe in the project. First place to sign me, you know, so I had did a record with John Legend at the time. I did a record with Bruno Mars did record with yellow wolf and they just didn't the NR just wasn't fans and understanding me. They didn't understand it because he wasn't invested into it cold chilling labels. So one thing one thing that you said was interesting because like I said, we grew up on hip hop and like even in my brain like I it's weird like somebody will say something and then a lyric triggers. Yeah. I remember from 15 years ago, so One of the greatest rappers of all time cannabis, right? He is one of the greatest. Yeah, I'm not no, we're not done having a Plastics the 90s. It was pretty crazy. No, no, they're not going to work out for him, but people won't remember him. No. No, he's one of the Grateful Dead Boys. I pull one of the things that he always said that's like when he said he said did you actually your labor with it was cool boys. I'm sure the vehicle is probably beautiful. But if you actually label it was with Google so you talked about like the events. So, can you just break that could I'm actually interested to know like they give you a million dollars, right? Right, but that's your Get this so now out of that million dollars your studio time is gone the second half of the budget. So if you get if I had a million dollar deal, I would get 500,000 up front Okay and out of that 500,000 automatically. My attorney has to get paid. My manager has to get paid. My accountant has to get paid. They keep the other $500,000 to do everything that needs to be done in terms of marketing studio time features and then the other well if it's Thousand that I keep I would probably keep 375 after paying everybody out and with that 375 I shouldn't go and buy a chain. I shouldn't go and buy a car a super expensive car. At least I should buy something that's practical buy a home by a practical car and wait until you know, you're you're touring and you start seeing publishing and things like that because it's basically a loan and it's taxed also it is taxed so 375 is really like 250 if I can you could have it taxed or you can take it up front and to handle it on your own. I took it all up front handle it on my own and pay the taxes later on. Yes. So what the label says that when we hear a lot of times they recouping the money how's that happen right there recouping the money off of your record sales. All right. So the money that they gave you as advanced are taking it back from what you've sold. Yes and the event that you sell in the event that you sell in the event that you don't in the event that you don't you and the red they could Chew off as a tax as a tax write-off or you're in debt. You want to label your in the red? Yeah. So how is it as far as label Politics As far as could you say when you switched labels the other label didn't believe in the project the way the first label did right. So like I always wanted this to where it's like people push the album's back. Like, how did what is it to say? Okay your green lit for a release in April dear singles coming out. Like, how does that That look from the inside because a lot of people we just see from the outside as fans. This person's out and keeps getting pushback or this person quick, but we don't know like the single might not have worked but they wanted him to go in a different direction. Like how does that work? A lot of thing cleared up something like the right A lot of times it's analytics that people that the other people in the office is you know doing so they'll put a record out for feeler or you know to test it at Radio to see what's going on. What's the response and if they not getting another if they're not getting a good enough response. They're not The start putting gasoline to the fire because the fire is already out there when the song is on the radio is in the DJ pool. It's you you send it to the tastemakers whatever but the consumer hasn't gotten to the record just yet. So they used to have a mix show now, everything is streaming, you know saying but before it was all mixed show tastemakers you had to do DJ meetings, you know, go to the go to different cities and go to the radio station and talk. Talk to the DJs and basically begged them to play the record and they were played during the mix show our which would be before Primetime 5 to 7. The DJ's have free range to kind of play whatever they wanted to play and if there was enough impact on the record. They will add it into rotation after the label would then put money behind the song. So the label would make their money back off of Licensing the song the label makes their money back off of the radio spins. The label makes the money back off of The publishing sometimes the royalties and as well as album sales, so that's how the label but then one H1 H2 when they saw that Napster was coming around. That's when they started the 360 deal. So I need 10% of its your talk everything. I need some percent of everything basically. So like when you said they make it back off the album is that when the points coming to play? Yes, that's what points come into play and everybody gets a point. So basically you give a point to this producer for Making a b or if they may like if I paid Swiss to do three beats, I would give him a point on the album along points of percentage a percentage Yeah out of like 100. It's like you get 10 to 12 points on an hour and the points go one point goes to executive producer one point goes to another executive producer. Then you give one to producers who make beats you take like two or three points and then the label keeps. The rest of point is 10% Really? Yeah, basically so Godlike J Cole who produces the album has no fee. Features and executive producer he's keeping all the points. Yes. So what's different between points and Masters Masters are the master recordings that you own? So if this let's just say earn your leisure was a studio and I didn't sign a record deal if I pay you to record here. I own my Master's if I come here for free to record here Troy Jones Damascus. You know, I'm saying Richard owns the Masters if I sign a record label If I sign it regularly if I signed a record deal, I relinquish my rights to the Masters depending on what kind of attorney I have. So now black artists are now starting to be a little bit more smarter and they want to own them as this week before everyone was intellectual and smart people sign their masters away to get that upfront money not knowing that the master recording is basically an essentially the foundation of owning your music and your money. So if For example, I'll use Outcast for an example. I think they wanted I think there was a the label wanted to I think license one of their songs for the Super Bowl and it was a very big record and a very big commercial Big Boy sign this Licensing thing the label signed it but Andre didn't want to sign it. So because Andre didn't want to sign it because they own some of their masses because they made so much money. Yeah, they weren't able to use the record. I don't the people don't even know that like outcasts has the biggest head pop song of all time, right? But in the event that they didn't own a portion of their masters, the label could have said we're selling we're licensing this song and we're going to keep the money in day get a piece of the money. Thank you for Right, I didn't end up publishing is when the writing the writing of of the right. So the composition yes, so a lot of times people get publishing confused when they re credits, right? So when you consider someone like Drake right people say Drake has Ghost Riders in tu-tu-tu-tu-tu that right when you look at the credits and you see someone like Drake's name. You see Aubrey Graham, right and you see about 10 other names. They like all Drake has nine other Riders know. Sometimes I'm how would I say? I want to say 99% a hundred percent of the time. He's writing his records. I feel like that one time that you know, he had a reference track when I say the guys name for the entire first time. So yeah that one time I think I think it was I think he was trying to give someone a shot exactly you helping people know so he's giving somebody a shot right and it leaked but when you see ten names on a project music is written. There is a which produces right music. It's not just producing you you're writing the music so they're writers on the song as well. And if it's a sample, the people that they sampled are also in the credit there right there writers as well. So I don't want people to like you might you like if you check credits you'll see Jay-Z and by childhood and a bunch of other people, but that doesn't mean people wrote Jay-Z's lyrics High make more money off her album and you well, you see Jay Z's name one other people, but you know, I listen I challenge people to look at the mole albums. Yeah and know if you know some of these rappers Name, that was great. That's exactly how I started knowing. Everyone's doing I would read the credits. I'm like, this is cool and CDs used to act. Yeah, you have to open them up open it you can see who wrote it in right there opening credits and all that. So, all right. So this is an interesting conversation because it's very complex and you obviously a very intelligent person right but you taking a kid off the street we know education wolf. How is he posted navigate to who Masters publishing points budgets recoupable. How do you have enough? It's something that nobody told you when you came in the game. Nobody told me to go to me so it's like but a lot of it was also because I was working at a law firm like you guys heard in a freestyle. So like I would give my contracts to the junior Partners at the firm smiling. We will all look at it together and they will break things down to me. So I kind of understood my contract. So I had them checking my attorneys work, you know, and I'm checking their work, you know, I'm saying, oh you're checking lawyers and For kid, I mean I wasn't taught a lot. I wish I was but you know in this game, I just feel like you know, black men for whatever reason they just not you know reaching back or maybe there is a disconnect. I want I don't want to say black pen men are not reaching back maybe black men do want to reach back but I feel like there's a language barrier that has to be kind of severed in order for us to kind of, you know interact with the younger generation. You know, I'm saying I feel like sometimes did. Younger generation they have this push back to the older generation because they're The Gatekeepers, you know, I went through that as a young artist, but if a older artist with a cannon man, but like listen you need to do this. This is this this is that and then that I would have listened. You know, I'm saying as far as your question, what does a young kid do man I mean I would suggest, you know, being headstrong and and trying to find a mentor Or that should be the number one thing to do someone who actually cares about your career someone who actually knows the business and knows what to do and how to navigate around certain things because there is no retirement plan in music. There is no 401k plan in music. There is no Health Care in music. There is no dental plan in music. I have my own separate insurance. I have my own sep I pay As a lot for insurance, we have my own 401k plan old life insurance. You know, I have to take care of these things in myself because if I don't nobody else will interesting you said I could like we spoke off-camera and I was saying that like sequels one of my favorite rappers. So when he said with no Union, no dental plan. I can't eat off a hundred grand. I got cavities and I need filling yo. So when you when these are things that no artos Eagle said that I believe Thought about it Like Rappers have no Union, right? No. Yeah even actors have a union. Yep rappers have no I heard nor we sing like that like like they should try to have a rapper jr. Yeah, it's imperative because it's like even on a label do they do you have benefits on a label? Yes, you do get benefits on the label, but you have to opt into it. You have to pay into it. And again once rappers get a check. That's it man it is it the same if they get dropped from the labels, like if I get fired from my job, obviously, I'm not part of any It's so what you do is you drop. Yeah. Well, I mean it's one of those things where they're taking uneducated. Impoverished black young men and young girls and throwing money in their face. So think about us 18 19 years old 17 to even 20 if someone offers you a ton of money, you're not thinking about 401K. You're not thinking about health insurance because that stuff already comes out your check and it's interesting because I feel like most Americans probably wouldn't think about that shit either if It wasn't already taken out of the check. So you put this stuff in front of a young black kid. They're not thinking that the first thing they're thinking about is getting drippy that's getting less for her how fast can we get I didn't buy a chain. Like I didn't buy a chain when I'm on my advance I did not I wanted I wanted a place to live, you know, I wanted my own place to stay, you know, and that was the first thing that I did, you know, I'm saying I didn't get a chain. I didn't get a nice car. I had a free car wash out the Honda but I I didn't want any of that like because I knew I had to recoup the money and I knew I had to live off of this money, even though I had a booking agent. I knew I was some point the the the hotness would dissipate, you know, I'm saying so I had to save and stack my bread and that's nothing to like you said with the hotness. A lot of times you feel like you're Invincible when you and you'll be hot forever. Exactly. It's like I got this I'm on top of the world. But in three years, you're not on top of the world baby sister - you're a piece of bread. So it's like what do you do? You don't have any formal education right always said the music business. I want to ask you this because we like being in like we're interviewing people now, we're kind of like making our rounds around that the music industry. So I told Troy I'm like this this music industry. I member Kris got he told us his we interviewed a shout-out to Chris. He was like this isn't a real industry. It's the only place where you can be a high-level executive with no qualification, but you know, I'm saying like, that's true. True. I mean we're and we run into people and we're like really like, how do you how you cry? How did this happen to give somebody a million dollar budget? You don't you just friends with somebody or you just you was hanging out with them and they put you on and now for your intern who had already here and it's like we have a good hair like, well you picked the right record you were there at the right time and that happened to a lot of guys and you're a senior executive because you picked the right guy that time. Yep, but then somebody else told us that that's kind of dumb. On purpose because the higher-ups keep it on organized unprofessional because it's like a bunch of chickens just running with that cut off the artists don't really know what they're doing. But a lot of Executives only know what they're doing either but the high-level executive only knows they know. Yeah, so if you keep if you keep on like kind of drugged up and only know that late to meetings and it's very it's not it's not a real business not right like a really big lie to me. It's real. It's not real like a real business like this. I was going into the off I was going into the label every like twice a week and it was to the point that they people thought I was an employee do because I just wanted to know what was happening with my project every two days. I just needed to know, you know, I mean and that's how I was able to have a great rapport with a lot of the people that were there. I was about to call him co-workers, but they were technically where my co-workers, you know, and you know, I feel like artist just just let things they just let things go how I supposed to go there. It's like Just want to create the music not as 1 degree. Jeez. He says yeah, do you see has a clip? That's right one violent Instagram saying that he got taken advantage of because he wasn't educated pretty much paraphrase and he wasn't educated on music business. He had lawyers that screwed him over and he felt he felt intimidated to even let somebody know what was going on because he's gz the Snowman so it's like for him to get ripped off. It's embarrassing right and he just went with it because he didn't know he didn't know what to do. Yeah. How do I tell somebody like I'm the Snowman and this little guy over here with a bow tie dropping every day, right? I mean it's frustrating because there should be some sort of educational workshop for new artists that come into the game. There's so many people that don't know anything about the music business and a lot of times these guys they some of these guys don't finish high school and they, you know, they get into the game and they just think the money is going to come in forever, but think about like or if it comes All right, but think about 10 years ago who was here ten years ago then and it's not here now, you know I'm saying or even 20 years ago like Anil like that's not a shot. Oh no fact, it's the fact that was that was 20 years ago. Yeah dawn of time flies, you know, and she was a talented artist, but she's not here no more. Like I'm not saying that I don't think I want to be here, you know pass another 10 years, but what I'm saying is utilize this time to ask questions is nothing wrong with a Asking questions. I feel like sometimes we just so prideful. There's certain things that we just don't want to know or we're too afraid to ask. You know, I mean for me I ask questions. I'm always curious as to know why a certain person popped or how a certain person got hot or how they got hot in a town. What did they do to get to that next level? I absorb this information so I can take it. I Mentor like about 10 to 15 kids. You know, I'm saying Young artist because I feel like that wasn't given to me so Should give it back. You know, I mean and it's imperative that these kids know these things because this is our future that's a fact so that's a perfect segue into our last seven. We're going to talk about the independent game what you got going on now and yeah educate people were not be talking about the major side, but we don't talk about the independence good. Yeah. What's up, y'all? So if you're listening to this you obviously like podcast and you probably like music just as much on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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Right as far as is it is it you fund the stuff yourself or is it that they funded a hybrid approach? Like how does that work to be an independent artist? I mean, it's different ways to be an independent artist the best way to just kind of explain is just tell my story real quick. I mean after leaving the label in Tunis 12 at the beginning of 2013. I had 90 thousand dollars in the bank. And then at the end of 2013, I have four dollars and fourteen cents in my bank account. I made a song about is called 414. Yeah, you really wanted to say that I remember looking at the bank statement like this is that's humbling unbelievable. And that I think my back was against the wall because like we said earlier I didn't have any job experience from 2013. Well from 2007 to 2013, so I'm looking at six. Use of just not working just doing music. So I panicked I tried to get a job. It didn't work. So I was like, okay. I have to be an artist even though I quit I was like I'm not doing this anymore. And then I was like, well, I gotta pay rent. So from that point I had to kind of figure out and navigate what my supporters were going to buy from me as a consumer. So I realized that they appreciate my lyrics they appreciate my honesty. They appreciate merchandise. They appreciate seeing me so I had to create this whole I had to basically start all over again and but I started all over again with a cushion because I had a fan base so I had to make merge I spent all the money myself. I funded everything myself with a little bit of money that I had. You know, I was working with new artist, you know doing fine. Juries and taking that money and reinvesting it to be able to sustain a living and so now I'm in a position where it is a hybrid situation where I fund some of it and then I have soul spasm funding some of it as well. So it's a partnership with come together and then you know, we split the costs down the middle. Okay. So how is it as far as like do they distribute in music as well? Yes, they distribute all my musical all streaming platforms and they handle. That side of it so I'm able to give them my whole catalog they take a percentage off of that catalog and I get a check every month. So everything you did prior to coming to the independent little you have a phone yet only. Okay, I own everything. Yeah, even from the label because again, I didn't sign a 360 deal and I was in the black I was not in the red. So alright so as far as like, press do you do you handle that yourself or is that you can help with that or I handle my press myself. My last project we hired a publicist to do the work and he got me on, you know, some some online sites and some playlists on on some streaming sites and you know some Radio on Sirius Satellite things like that. So that's tough always helps. But for the most part A lot of it is relationships having your own relationships building your own relationships. So like I can hit sway from swaying the morning on my own and be like, I want to come up there or just even how I'm up here. Like I had work Rashad myself and was like, yo, I want to come up here, you know? Yeah, how about Tori? I know you mentioned you had a booking agent that's still true. And or do you handle that now yourself? Yeah. I handle all my booking now. I mean I had an agent last earlier this year, but it just didn't work out the way I wanted it to work out and even previously I had agents before but you know, I have a baby on the way. I have a wife at home. So if they're not booking me to shows I have to book my shows myself. Okay, and I hide Motors to you know, get the people in there along with promoting on my own and making it happen and you know running a van on my own, you know, you're putting money up yourself. Yeah, I put up the money myself. So I'll write the row so you talk about streaming. How much do you get paid for stealing? What's that break down? Because I've seen a bunch of different numbers on the internet like a quarter of a fraction of a penny for every stream. Is there a set number that everybody gets for streaming or yes everybody? Gets the same set number. It's like zero point point point point now is point. This is zero point zero zero zero six and then the numbers like Pi 2.0 what I'm saying, but it's basically zero point zero zero zero six and then you have to make you have to stream so much in order to see like a decent Jack. What's the what's the more that you get paid from the most like streaming service is entitled. They say title is the morning going to get the most from title, but You still need all all streaming sites in order to get a decent jacket. You can't just pull out the one title. So for instance, like what my my patient comes in every month, you know, it's not just title its title it Spotify. It's Pandora. It's Apple music. It's iTunes when people purchase the music, which is always the best because you keep 80% of them of the money. So if it's 99 Cents, you keep 80 cents of that Apple takes Any sense soccer? Okay, so that's that's the best and then YouTube as well and Vimeo and Tick-Tock now, it's so combine these seven to eight companies and you should receive a decent check a decent check. How do you make it to those curated playlists? Because like I'm not even she's saying I'm thinking like songs just pop in there like once I download a certain playlist if a new artist comes in and just do you have to pay for her as it is somebody at this. Service to actually just says Oh, I like that song with putting it in the I mean, sometimes it's the labels that own the playlist sometimes if you're very cool with the people that run the playlist you can get lucky or if you're very popular artist and song is very popular. They'll the person who runs the playlist will put that song on the playlist but you know the labels figured it out so they kind of have control of everything again. So like are your payment's coordinated through life? Like all seven. They'll come to you streamlined at one time. Yes from a net from the label that puts it on. Yes, they cut the check then they take a percentage out of that at the neck for putting. All right. So it's like CD baby look like that right or two core or tunecore, right? But so spasm is my distribution. So and I guess my checks will be different from another person's checks because I have 16 to 17 projects. So I'm like Steps ahead of someone who might only have two or three projects have leverage. So like I'm getting a substantial amount of money every single month that's mixtapes and albums can combine but the mixtapes. All right. So let's talk about mixtape mixtape. That's how does that work? Same same thing. Could you put mixtapes on streaming services to right now people are putting them on there. But before it was difficult, but I think you can put them on there now, but it's still it's still feel the same things stay like what's the difference like a like? I know Drake put out a playlist. Then there was a there's mixtapes and his albums. Well like Davies he just came out with his first album, but he has like six project. What's the difference previous that it looks the same Planet? It's not like the marketing roll out from the label. Okay. That's the only thing different because he was on he's on Mass Appeal Def Jam, I believe. Yeah, so Mass Appeal was handling the mix tapes and they were putting that stuff out. So he was probably getting financed by Mass Appeal and they were they were handling that but then this big project is it Jim thing so like Def Jam is now handling the rollout. They're probably taking that budget from when he first signed for years ago or whatever and now they're using that money to push this project like how it is, you know, okay, that's how it works. Essentially. How about endorsements that I know? You said that you have one with EA Sports and Puma. Yeah Honda of course. Yeah, you got those for yourself or yeah. I mean a lot of that stuff was before I had did my record deal so they just were interested in the brand they built they bought into who I was what I represented. They saw that you know, this kid is an image that can be pushed out there without being too flashy. That's one of the reasons why Honda chose me because I was not flashy I didn't have a big chain on I didn't have the Crazy Jewels on I didn't come in there talking crazy. I wasn't intellectuals everyday person. Now, what is the Honda Honda is for everyday person, you know saying it's great car that lasts. You know that money was from them and then Puma, you know, I worked with Puma for a little while for like two years. They gave me product that will wear the product and get that stuff seen all over because I was a sneakerhead. I'm still a big sneaker head and then you know, I also did. I also did EA Sports. I was very cool with the music supervisor over there Rafael Lima. Shout out to her and we kind of just continuously worked for like five years. I was on like every a game you could potentially think of except for Matt and like I was on like hockey Need for Speed. I was on FIFA. No, no, not FIFA part of me. I was on the Sims like I have a single assembly that is here. So we get royalty checks from Young the game the purchase no. No, you don't get royalty checks. You just get up front Shack. Okay, but the commercial guy royalty checks. Yes. I got as long as the commercial played. Yes, the commercial that commercial ran for about four or five years and I was getting checks every day for five years. No pardon for five months part of the Brotherhood. Well five months and I was getting I was getting checks every single day every day. So they calculate like how many times it aired and then they send you a percentage of that. Yes. Yes on top of my music being in it. And on top of me acting in it, like it was like three Separate Checks music check acting check and then a residual check lot of checks. It was a lot of checks. There's a lot of checks V. So, all right. So Obama Kate that just loves music. I'm recording. Can you give me some advice like a hot? What's the first steps? I don't have a major like break record deal, but I want to get my music out there. What do I do? What do I do? First? Step is to build a team. It's like a pyramid scheme, you know that I used to sell Kirby Vacuums back in the day, you know saying and even like the Cutco knives and it was a nah, but you know, I would have to go into these wild areas to sell these things. And whenever we would come back to base they will always say to me you need to go to your friend's parents homes, and you need to go to their friends parents homes and That's how it needs to happen. So I would tell a kid start start a team start a team of five to six people and everybody has to have a specific amount of network with a you know, pushing your music consistently and constantly to different people and it has to be music has to be hot and have to concentrate not on the numbers, you know saying like I feel like we're in the era of just so much clout and how many likes You have and how many views you have and this and that their artists that have more followers than me on Instagram have more views than me on Instagram or lights and then broke and they don't know what to do with their career there and they're in a rut and I know artists that have less followers than me that are doing better than me when it comes to moving and shaking and getting their stuff out there. So it's all about focusing on exactly what your goals are. Have people that are knowledgeable in your corner as well as having people that have the same goals and beliefs that you have and spread this word out to every and anybody that has ears that want to hear it and just create create create content that people feel is valuable. You know, if you're not creating the content that people feel is valuable then you can you know be a mechanic or something. How does how how stressful is it? How stressful is it to be a to be a That's not the only thing people fully understand like it's not it's not easy profession. And yeah, how stressful is it? I work 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Sometimes my wife is angry at me because I'm always working but that's what it takes. I feel like if like you said some artists do get hot and then they stay hot for like two to three years. And then that's it. You don't hear from them no more. You know, I mean, I'm one of those guys that's been out for 11 years. Now. I'm living off of music. I make six figures a year. Year just independently, you know I'm saying and I know what a little bit more backing I could crack seven figures easily because I know exactly what to do. I know how to do it. I know how to maneuver but a lot of guys they don't sometimes they just don't want to hear I feel like sometimes they just don't want to hear these these things, you know saying artists don't want to hear work work work work work. They just want to get to the bag. It's all about the fast money fast money. No last too long. You got to chase it fast. Don't lash money. It's a good quote. Yeah, it just doesn't you have to you have to diversify like I don't I don't just wrap either. You know, I'm saying like I try to make investments on certain things like, you know, trying to buy a home, you know, I'm saying looking I was just telling my man off camera. I'm trying to get a Tesla because it doesn't depreciate it appreciates in value. Also just investing in different companies. Like there's a company that that's doing marijuana cannabis stuff, but it's from the health side of it. So it's called Glenn mayor Farms, you know, they are a farming agency that's using them the medicinal portion of the Cannabis, you know, legally and getting it out there legally because we all know marijuana is just on the verge of being you know, legalized. I feel like that's something that you know, as black people, you know, we're not, you know, we're we're drug heads will always smoking smoking smoking well as putting into it instead of Into it into the medicinal aspect of it, which is the legal portion of it and the legal side of it where you can invest in making money back on. Let me some billionaires me. You know, I'm saying it's going to be a lot of billionaires me if they make the right, you know decisions and choices. So, you know, I'm always looking at what's the next thing is going to happen virtual reality. That's another thing that is on the cusp of the gaming industry. It's just you have to find the right one. You know, I think virtual reality is going to be big we haven't talked about that yet, but I think that virtual reality is going to be Huge especially in sports. Oh, yeah. It's going to be I think they try that this year with the NBA league pass where you get the virtual reality and you could sit Courtside I seen was perfect you think about it? It's like am I going to pay $10,000 that only one percent of America has to watch LeBron or a lot pay $100. Yeah. I know. It's not bad. It's some some to feel like I'm literally right there, especially sports like boxing right basketball. You can't that that Courtside field means a lot. Oh, yeah. That look is a lot. That's what I said. But that's one of those Sports where it makes sense to do it. Like some sports are not great view being viewed live, right? If I go to a football game and I'm sitting in an upper deck. I have no idea what's happening down there, right? I just know that something stopped right? It's not like when you're on TV and you can actually hear the ref. Oh that was the call or we can see the instant replay, right? Something's just on me right for Louisville consumption and it's true. No, this is well. I think they're going to do a combination of both dough. Yeah, but as I say if you get the virtual reality now, you can see See it but you can buy Here commentator talk about it to ya about the games with the headphones on. Yeah, this is gonna it's gonna it's gonna get to that level and I just feel like you can't just want to just do music and that's it. It's it has to be more it has to get into acting a little bit get into creating a merchandise, you know, make something that people don't you know, or won't create, you know, like be creative. I feel like these are the things that you know artists need. Kind of take back not just their ownership in their music but the ownership in their imagination we deserve I just as fun. You just said the word artist because a bully he said next project is last one because he wants to focus on things outside of music and this is the time now while he's hot, we had a quick question. You said you were trying to get a job right before like what were you going to try anything? I'll do anything anything anything at that time. I was desperate and there was nothing for me. Me there was literally nothing for me. And you know, I had shows lined up but I had to wait to get the second half from those shows to even you know, make some money so I had to kind of hide the thug it out. You know, I was trying I was trying to work at I was too overqualified for Burger King and under qualified to work in an office again. So I was just like I got it to music. How does that work? I'm glad you said that when everybody talks about like getting paid on the back end for the shows you get paid upfront. And after you perform you get them that 50% that's usually test and that standard yesterday right after you perform sometimes before you get on stage. Sometimes after depends what I've heard like artist not get on stage because they don't promote you that money. Well, sometimes the promoters do pay for play. So, you know, they'll charge, you know artists to sell tickets before the main act gets on so they can make the rest of the money to pay the headliner. Have you had that experience before all this before not a lot, but I've had some I've had some bad. I expect I mean the best the best shows that I've had was corporate shows because you're going to get corporate money just called. Yeah, you you that money's guarantee. You can go on stage without getting paid and you you know, you're gonna get paid eventually like well, you'll Sue. So those are the probably the best shows, you know, there's contracts put in place where you have to sign a contract music agreement performing agreement with a buyer Talent buyer that you will get paid before the night is over. At the end of the night when you settle up depending if you did a door deal or depending on if you get a guarantee, so we actually music question for you wrap it up. Yes, sir. You work with a lot of artists. Like I said from Drake to Justin Timberlake 200 Kendrick and then underground artists as well and maintaining our everybody work with a lot different people. Right? Who who was the most enjoyable for you to work with as far as like the talent level like hold it because like I used to play ball. So like sometimes I play back mode somebody I know. Like their special like I Played Like Mike Beasley went to school with me and I knew he was younger than me, but I knew he was special. I know he's gonna make it to the league. I just knew he was special. Right? Did you ever have that type of vibe with anybody like that? You worked with like this dude is different. Yeah, I mean it's a lot I can be here all day. I mean, I remember when I got Drake's verse back for overdose on life. We talked about that earlier and I was just like, you know this guys fucking dope. You see it happening like people saying Drake is the best rapper of ever. Did you ever imagine he can be put in that category? No, not the best rapper ever. It was more like it was more like this guy. Is Li skinnies marketable Panic a rap really? Well, this is before he was singing really and I was just like oh this dude is dope. He got a knack for choruses and everything and then like after we did that record. He kind of he kind of just ran into not ran into but I remember when he hit me like yo, like I'm me and Wayne tonight. I must have Me Lil Wayne and I like that change it all I was like, that's crazy, bro. But that experience was just dope because you know, he was a he was an unknown artist. He was nobody really knew who he was when I put him on the record like it was a big deal for him to be on that record Styles P was a that was childish stuff. Not one for that was an amazing session where like he was doing features for other artists that came in the in that day like and like the whole locks was there and it was he does he doesn't write rounds, right? Yeah. That's true. That's true. In right his rounds he that's crazy here. That's great. So I was like, I was like yo, like I want to do this record bro, and he was I how do you want to do it? I was like I want to do five eight ball versus and he knew where my talent level was. So he kicked everybody out the studio. He's used to that going back and forth with kiss. Yeah, but yeah, but he it was the fact that he kicked anybody out. Why do you care by out? Because it was just too crazy like everybody got go. Cause me, and you know it but he stayed with other artists when they did they records. Okay other artists were still there. Everybody had to go when it was me and him and we just we just did that record that Julian was wild, you know saying well Legends, you know royce royce was a dope session was an accident. I asked them to send me like twenty four bars. He sent me back like 30 to 40 bars or just like I you want to kill me in my own record. And that happened. Well, you got a burst back me like Damn I gotta go rewrite. Don't rewrite my versus at the rewrite on would you ever felt like the LG body me on yeah, you know, but I let it I Let It Rock I Let It Rock not doing that for three two one. Yeah, and lastly John Legend. I mean when I worked with John Legend, he was on tour with Sade man, and he and he it was overseas tour and he came off tour when he had his day off in New York and we went in the studio and made a record and then I asked him can you do? Some stuff over and he's like sure like he was the nicest artist ever, you know, like super intelligent do oh, I love Jon Jon's is a good dude, man. I appreciate it. Just him taking that time out to work with me and you know in that facility and capacity, you know, I mean, I appreciate you coming to Boston. New York Philly Baltimore, Virginia, North Carolina Atlanta, you know, hopefully we'll put up the fly here. So you guys can check it out and you know, just come check me out Mickey facts.com if you see submerged that you like. Oh, is this the music that you yeah, he got the Enigma button on anybody Hank. I got them a button and you know, if there's merged, you know hoodies shirts hats thumb drives what else we got on there. There's a lot of stuff on there. You can go there and cop and also, you know hit me up on Twitter twitter.com forward slash Mickey facts at me up on Instagram. Mickey dot facts and my ckey de period fa CT Z DM me I talk to every single person that reaches out to me. I feel like if you have you take the time out to talk to me. I will definitely take the time out to respond to you. I think that's the polite thing to do except for spam. I don't talk to spam but you know, just reach out to me if you feel like there's Question you might have, you know, feel free reach out because I feel like holding onto information is not the way to get information out. I appreciate that bro, Troy. Yes housekeeping item. Yeah, shout everybody on patreon.com. Y'all know that's how proud to pay program as five tiers. We at over a hundred patrons, man. So shout out to everybody that is joining. Like we said UIL University for our top off tier four and five members you're going to be getting access to To our webinars make sure that y'all go and check your messages. So you can have access to the links every Wednesday at 8:00 and UIL. 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We have a class pretty much Matt teaches the class on every Monday on real estate Wednesday the Class is different. Me and Troy going to classes on Friday we back and then starting in January. We're going to launch e y El español. Yes every Thursday. Yes Financial excited about that Spanish Let's fire. This week is the autobiography of Johnnie Cochran recommended why I guess yes Mickey. Yeah great book great book. I promise you greatly really really really good and I'm a Johnnie Cochran. Understand how you know what the thing about giant. Everybody knows him for the oh Jay Chou, right? Yep. He was a high-powered lawyer way before ocean. That's exactly because that was the Dream Team but he was the head relaxed somewhat like some of the lawyers felt the way because this is Lloyd like Johnny cockroach Shapiro like these dudes Alan dershowitz. Hmm. It was high-powered lawyers. Yes, so to Johnnie Cochran kind of Jonah and I think he's the quarterback a lot a lot. About that and he was working on Geronimo Pratt case when he died. A lot of people don't know that either Geronimo Pratt legendary Black Panther leader who was incarcerated mic Jack. Yeah. So he did a lot of social change before the OJ case. He did a lot of pro bono work because he was also he was also a DA but he did a lot for South Central LA man like cuz he was in the thick Of the racial Uprising there. So I implore all black people. Please people of color. Please read the autobiography of Johnnie Cochran. That was an incredible book Incredible toe. So there you have it having like guys. Thank you for rocking with us. We'll see you next week, please please.

A few months ago Mickey Factz’s freestyle breaking down credit with Funk Flex went viral in the financial literacy world. It was the talk of Instagram and everyone requested that we have him on EYL. The verse was incredible but his career is way more extensive than just a freestyle. He’s a veteran in the music game with over a decade of experience. He was on the 2009 XXL freshman of the year cover, he has been signed to major labels, he's worked with the biggest names in the industry including Drake and Kendrick Lamar, he had a commercial deal a Honda, an endorsement deal with Puma, and his music has been featured on EA Sports video games. He made the switch from being on a major label to being an independent artist years ago and has been navigating the world of independence ever since. In episode 49 he blessed us with 100 bars of fire for our first ever EYL freestyle. The freestyle is centered around being a business owner, it’s a lyrical lesson on entrepreneurship. In addition to the freestyle, he gave us free game in our interview. He broke down the ins and outs of the music business from an artist perspective, he explained how record deals are structured, he detailed the path for an independent artist to take to have a viable career and explained business pitfalls that many artists fall victim to. Guest IG: @mickey.factz Book Tip: A Lawyer’s Life by Johnie Cochran --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app · Talk Money With Mesh Lakhani Podcast: On The Talk Money with Mesh Lakhani podcast, Mesh will follow paper trails, chat with experts, and break down complex ideas to bring clarity to the mystical financial phenomena behind your finances.

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Yo, I could be now, you know, you ain't don't like once my cousin put some respect underneath it just hit into the Animenews a new Akira Project has been announced by sunrise. And the reason why I say project is because earlier on it was said it was gonna be a series. But yeah, I guess they don't know if he's gonna be series or movie but the original is also gained a 4K remaster. What do you guys feel about this? Okay. Yeah clean 4K, baby. I hope this project doesn't own the city because I don't know what it is about today and this era but we're bringing a lot of stuff back this we're getting a lot of live-action adaptations. We Master this don't know what it is going like They just keep bringing stuff back in like we're not been a thousand years only thing we've been at 500. Give me a call series, but like no they did it within like not about the events in the movie but more so about like that crew like maybe one of the three children as in the movie and obviously if you haven't seen this movie, I don't know what they're doing less than this but in this movie like they make it seem like everyone's pretty close the by You're getting like yeah, I wouldn't mind like that type of stuff. They want to do events that I guess that's cool too, I guess. We will see JoJo you both I can see if it's appetite or like Cowboy Bebop is and chill like that eatable pretty well. Yeah, you know long there, you know, keep true to like the material and you know have their own, you know creative spin to it without you know, just affecting work. I'm down for it or burn a little bit. Yeah. That's pretty much it. beta some of the somewhat the same by respecting the other the other movie. Um, we have a teaser trailer for made in Abyss film Don of the deep, you'll see this is gonna come out January 17th of next year. Which one was that? The meeting of this one was like the one with the diggers. They look like they ridiculous the only 200. Yeah. I haven't seen that but I've been meaning to I've heard I've had heard the music I listened to that like here and there because no one of every need to study or something that should be coming on. Really good music but I haven't seen it. Um, but yeah, I'm gonna definitely check that out soon. I don't know if you any of y'all saw this. No, I'm going to let this is what made in a bit Yeah, it reminds me of um, like a like a old video game like old Sprite vegan. I don't know why like they like ever see like, um, it really seemed like Secret of Mana. Nobody like I was like old cycle game definitely looks like maple story. Yeah. There you go. That's that's a that's a good comparison. Yeah, that's what I think about it when I see it like a maple story. It made me think of that early parts of a girl of God. Yeah. So I mean if there's anything like that, but could be some hope you know what Jojo everything but I've heard good things about it. All right, I forgot. I forgot to ask you anyone see this. That was a waste. Well, let's get onto Studio nut their promotional trailer for their anime decadence you seen this trailer. What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts Steve looks clean, but I cannot watch the animation. They will not just animation to setting. Oh, it's like a big wall with a giant Robo not alone for I don't know what's going on in this like a chick with like a robot arm and she's shooting shit and he and cool and shit. Yeah. I'm down with it this kind of clay but you thinking mr. Splash man. So you just a splash just what yo it reminded me of um, it's a it's a movie on Netflix talking. At that Mac one. Yeah, but it was like it was like this one do with like a like a super pistol basically, but I forgot them forget the name of it, but I don't know that and I would definitely remember something mean try good try no no. No, it was like This so I'm a I'm a going lagaan. No, no lad took so many came out a long time ago sort of the art style to remind me of like this sort of like cyber Punk. Is sort of thing and also something called a dragons Okay, remind me a lot lot of that too. It looks pretty dumb. Definitely check it out. Now that you definitely look so just by an animation alone. I wish I could bring up the article but I don't want to be typing then it catches on podcast, but I think it was like Cowboy Bebop animators made but he's gotten behind this are making this one. My dad said the Rector is a Subaru. Tachikawa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the frame upcycled death parade and mops the bow season by the way. Yeah. So I remember I was gonna appreciate it Steve. Yeah, so just by the mob psycho alone, bro. I'm ready and after a time, you know. There's like if I read an article about this anime would be like Studio nut blasting away at their new ad promoting it or at least in this article are making sure you know, it's good. You let us doing work. Yeah. We're gonna talk about this show on the road real quick Kate. The name just came to me. It was called blame. Oh, yeah, it kind of reminded me that like the little like the divers or whatever like she kind of had that kind of vibe to it. And like you said the giant well, I don't know all the machinery and she reminded me of that. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I hated this anime. I just pulled it up and I was like, oh this stupid ass. Yeah, I don't I don't like any anime that I see gr. Eat it. Yeah, I mean it's because it's the mug is good. But yeah, I am here for you watch anime though. Yeah, like I was saying final season of Attack on Titan has been announced. Coming in Fall of next year. I'm sad. I wasn't expecting to end this quickly bro. I finally got there was only it's going to go for another to season. That was the fifth one. Right but technically forth but they called it their part to so yeah. Looks like five season but you know, whatever. All right, the Four Seasons definitely gonna be like 24 episode. Yeah, Magic. And they come on only job one episode in the long-ass movie. Oh, no. Yeah. I'm just I'm excited bro. This past couple of Seasons been with this latest won't talk about it. But this lady season and it changed my mind on talking how I look of Attack on Titan like the past couple Seasons before this season, like it was it was good anime, but this season, Be like yo, that's crazy. Got some dead. You got some Your Majesty of character development was like y'all crazy, you know, go ahead and watch Talking Tommy be watching it ready nothing but I think about it. What y'all think Bonnie I know y'all read the Manga. So how y'all feel feel well this coming out just proves the manga is about to be over in like but soon as fuck like next month or two. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Read the last I would say like the last season of it like kind of like with bleached. It could like you can finish the damn story. You had to read it and it's like yo, don't forget he said In terms of hearing good stuff. I think I've solved it for me. It's I got I got one piece one. H2 and Naruto three no talking about or completely tore time all anime completely we could do either one never wash them right? I can really see how much any kind of like a whole new amazing art in the entity like shit. So I was like, I don't know. Don't know how much I like so much momentum Crash and Burn it's great while it lasts. It's like an Andrew Wiggins. Yeah, it's me. I want to make it to the league and not looking. I mean, hopefully Attack on Titan does it doesn't end like that and all this all this know is pain is too powerful. We'll get to that later. Yeah, what's next but oh, yeah, the trigger is this a series are will be comes out September 17. Yeah this year. Yeah in the u.s. A it's already out in Japan. So yeah, I didn't I don't think yeah, so I seen the trailer there. Now is that character from Gurren lagaan knows exactly who just looks really good. I don't think I said the name Premier is the anime. Um, but yeah, it looks really good looks just the art and everything. That's why I was asking if it was like a movie or series because it's definitely looks like a movie don't you know, the quality was yeah. Sorry looks interesting. I don't really get what's going on. But you know, I mean it almost basic if you say no what is it called darling in the Franks? Nope, it kinda like, oh, no the same thing they had mad more people on the ground or something. It's like three different it or it looks like three different enemies. It's like growing lagaan. Lisa like throwing darling in the Franks and that new one fire force sure. I look so let's say I would say yeah, you kind of remember my man said something about being a fireman and how there's like a fire stick around so I was like, okay. All right, so I'm gonna be the best firefighter. Oh, yeah. And say this but I know five forces out and dr. Stone is out. We're not reviewing that this week since we do get a lot of talk about when do that next week. So that's a new that's some new episode. Anyways, uh, since we're comparing this damn trailer I'd say it does look like what was that anime? What the Dude, that's living in that big house. Oh, yeah Cory in the house. It looks exactly like what now, the trailer looks dope. The trailer looks dope. JoJo did you talk about it? It was cool though, you know trigger usually makes Gary. I can't he's sort of stuff so I'm down for it. Okay? And that is it for the anime news. Let's move on to the taku question sent in by Dan natural. He says what current anime or what current gen anime. Do you guys think will be remembered and 15 to 20 years? Just like how old Cowboy Bebop is talked about in Yvonne Gillian. This one was tough and I actually thought about it, but Manuel II want to come in here and you didn't listen to 2010 to know ya. I got ya see which ones weren't current gen. Don't worry. I'll light it like the Dead Space out so you don't feel like um, so not to bring up Attack on Titan again, but I feel like a tech on time. What else that's crazy. All my favorite stuff is before 2010 Moringa a lot of right? Oh there you got like my hero, which is why I like the top shows. Am I here? Yeah. Yeah. There's already another enemy that this one was just a reboot. Yeah, another one now mission was kind of like kind of the pocket pick will be No Game No Life. It kind of jump-started the isak a genre, which is cool booming recently. So, But they never fit it sacrifice them genre. I feel like face defeat series doesn't get enough roll talk about it, even though the early there early. It was just faced a night the first one, you know, I came out faces are although but phase 0 remember the fight scenes in there like that. Put Chris they put so much money all my I be saying you'll watch the Fate series and on his listen to fade 0 first and then face a night. Don't let me go don't go looking at like fate Paca Wacha don't go looking at And I think Oracle corporation's oversell. I like hiroko, but I don't know if you know Croco basket welcome. Nia is going to be no hunger that is like is like top two basketball enemies already. Yeah. Yeah. Haiku forgot to mention that I would say it but yeah. The other girl goes right in there with all those I have one last one. I'll mention is a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure because wait, that's a big. Okay. Well, we tried JoJo. Yeah, which I'm trying to get my name in there. Yeah, I think that's pretty much shit at least on top of my head could assess on about one punch, but you know the second season. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. But a lot of the stuff that we've like already been watching his just been going on for so long for I am not wrong stuff. Hey, I mean it honestly you said he said 2010 like Steins Gate in there. Yeah. Food Wars would be food was yeah Papi. Oh, yeah, who's stupid popular? Yeah, that's crazy. So like these are like lat gonna be like in a I guess Classics are like those go to oh, you should watch this in their future. If you like this watching those go into like the suggestion of like like Gateway anime like yo, like if you want to get into it, these are some of the join that Cowboy Bebop and ends on Galleon those I went people talk about that. That's usually just like they love everything about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much I love you gonna do no, sir. But that you mention it. Yeah. This is kind of crazy. Those all the ones that you would come to think. Overall Pope. Pre-2010. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Well, I appreciate the question Dan. That was just a lot. And what we all feel about that sees themself like not human. I just read an article in which I mean I had a whole season of last season or you know, yeah spring spring season player add a fuel showed up in Washington. So gonna watch a couple more. Um, I'll take you got ya Shield Heroes. It's so crazy. I was expect-- Okay, so it was a 180 for me. The one punch man. It was supposed to be like that was a shows like I can write and then Attack on Titan was the one like oh watch he built. You know, like let's just see what happened. The Demon Slayer was the one was like an addiction look cool, but I don't know what I might like, but it's But it's about like 180. I love Demon Slayer. How about I it's been phenomenal one punch man was at this point now I'm watching a tuna Suba. So that's all you've been watching this season. Whatever attack about on here. Has been dope. There's also one or two like the The music anime that you recommended Stevi Sterling. They're making bangers making Baker's on Mario. Yeah. Yeah, I got to that point. Well, I guess I'll go in here bro Carolyn Tuesday our what else? We got Demon Slayer Fire Let's Attack on Titan. Come on. One punch man was MIT who's admit? I'm a little disappointed. Like hey I said what else is there? Oh fairy got bunco straight straight straight straight straight. But nothing, that's all I've been watching you. But yeah all in all the seasons been pretty good pretty good most of the stuff lived up to my expectations as out. I was kind of good I guess I'm looking I'm like, okay, she'll hero one punch man. Like Attack on Titan Demon Slayer fire. Then everything else was kind of just like you I had High Hopes very gone. And it's this is like it was like that's what angels House, I forgot what it was but it was just like mad. We're like, all right. This is this ain't looking like it's good either so it wasn't good. No, I don't you give us those. I saw nah, it was out of I'd rather watch very going to watch it, but maybe it's better but for the episode it was like yo, it would like just thought even damn money won't spoil it but It's just like a first episode. I was like, you're really broad is the kind of problem solving. I believe it or not. But this is one music anime about like a Koto club or whatever. Oh, yes. Yeah. Look my friend told me that. That wouldn't be good. Well, yeah Joe. Yeah. Did you watch the cold Wise Wise man I want them to the range and yeah, I just mad at the Superman. I was like, yeah, it's the kind but the character now I'm learning magic in not mopey. Ha ha ha. That's what I'll skip that one. What about the Beyblade burst? You'll see no one. So Georgia or you know, other than like Demon Slayer and the other ones that we be talked about on the podcast. Everything else is pretty solid. Um for the most part Kerala Kerala on Tuesday, definitely recommend Coke silk Mill, we recommend that shit to since fire Izakaya quartets pretty good. Um, you get a lot of references to be watch the shows that are in that anime is of diamond actives out. That one's okay. It's starting off pretty slow, but it'll start ramping up. Once they get to their torment art somebody waiting for that. Should this before that reviews I'll choose edit. That's my fault because I like I knew a question. I forgot but only good thing you brought it up. And then oh y'all seen a also they came out in Spring is a Bakugan battle Planet, but that's pretty good. What about me? Sound a little roller diced. Yeah. It's an enemy. Yeah, I knew that but like it was like yeah, bro. Wow. You know those crazy little it seems like a lot of this. It doesn't else was being stupid. Yeah, like this this season a lot of Slice of Life and slice-of-life Anime. Yeah. I got three. Awesome anime shows from it. So well slightly awesome. But yeah. Real quick because you saying Bongos trade-off. Is that is that like I've see so many people or I like people just talk about I'm like, you know, is it worth like getting into it had potential? Yeah. I had a chocolate pecan also potentially, but well, I think I dropped it for a stupid reason but I mean because I'm like his three seasons in so I'm like what? I think that's the one where like they kind of like doing like, oh, yeah, there is like incest or some shit. It was like throwing in not like I don't know where it was like the it was like picking up so she's somewhere and I turned off. Wait, wait what happened? Exactly and I erased from my mind. They were trying to make it like a comedic thing. But one of the girls was getting real flirtatious with one of the guys and they were related. Yeah, they're like brother and sister because this isn't the show. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah, I say I don't do it don't do it. So yeah, I say watch it. Like I said, I dropped it for like a reason but I might have had a lot of anime to watch so I want You flirting binging it and you liked it a lot. So cool, but I'm definitely going to check out that carry out that Carol Tuesday Jones. Yes. You have a hundred verses please do All right, first up first up they make up. How do you all want to do this? Which what do you want to hit first? We got a bunch of finales. we got Demon Slayer at number 13 you just have Yeah, we go, whatever episode 13 bada-bing bada-boom. Now, this is one of those ones I forgot to make notes on but I do remember this is the one where he's in the house. And yeah, you kinda did he's yeah, he finally finishes off the drum. Demon. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so Like some so it wasn't as I wouldn't say this episode didn't wasn't as good. I'll say I'm sorry to see this anime is gonna have I guess I mean he already has the pacing problem does we've been in this goddamn house Forever Three episodes or something like that and then the way it ended this episode I was all right. I kind of wanted to move on, you know, like it's not that this area is whack it just like. All right, come on, bro. Two episodes Max. You should be in one spot they'ii if it's like really really bad ass and this is house wasn't like really crazy. Just like whatever. Yeah. Yeah, at least when I first started out like I said built up it's like okay. So Thanksgiving. I want to see be better you'll see I don't know how long this animal is gonna be so hot. I don't know if I should expect it and just you know, the last season we're gonna get just the only season it's going to stop and then we're gonna go have to read the Manga or sugar Horseman. This is Adam. He's giving off that on that 24 episode Vibe. Yeah, like it's already dirty says, you know 20 some episodes. Yeah, but it just move on though. I'm not saying episode of Swag just so you know, I need the pacing of anime to pick up but pretty good. What do y'all think about this episode? This up the soul was kind of. Like you said what the pacing like? Well, let's go over what happened a little bit. I do gotta come on man. Yeah, like the water in the room whether it's literally pacing just cuz The animation is crazy stories cool animations. Hella dope of fighting teams are dope then even when he even when he finished the Mark is a yo-yo. She was kind of cool but I ain't gonna lie you to be killing all these humans in the demons like word. These are dry. You said you liked my Powers Yeah. Yeah, so when the room was spinning around it, Shit, and he was slicing everything like it was clean. It was clean. But I mean Alexandro notice how to like move I'll keep wasn't cutting the papers or whatever. Yeah, and he realized I was a safe spot. I was cleaning my boys Hydro. He got his eyes open. That's a small kid. But uh, yeah, so like, um, not a fucking no shit, bro. You could smell. Mold when he was about 2 / - there was able to react to that she was going I'm not gonna lie. I'm sticking to her house. It was goddamn nose is super smell. Okay, this is super cool. You can smell the truth to he said yo, we finish them off as clean with a little low. Water movement. That was clean, but one one gripe with me. Like how do y'all feel about the demons backstory? Go back to do you feel like she beat it a backstory. Like I feel like honestly, I didn't know he had one. Yeah, he know he was he was whining about his dad or his mentor. Somebody thought his his drum playing was trying I think was because I knew he was one of those 12 we got kol the top demons years. So that's why I have a problem with them showing that like him babe the 12 India growing weaker because he couldn't get the right type of blood or whatever. That was. That was cool this backstory or whatever and then Taj role being like it ain't that bad and then he couldn't die. A in a piece like oh my bad. I don't have the heart to Hearts would do this before they just what you do know, like come on go. Where did you hear that Sue was talking about his freaking good. I could do this like inhales. Okay, that was another part of pacing issues that chaos was talking about. That's right after the fight tangible gathers the blood gives it to the cat. Whatever. That's a new thing now. Yeah just pops up out of nowhere. But anyways Tonto goes outside. He sees fucking God, isn't it? So getting that ass beat trying to protect nezam: I mean he can't knows he said I was yeah, but it was he knew that it wasn't just a regular demon. Yeah. Yeah. He knew the few notes on the rules too. Good of a God. I'm just walking getting to actually not just here. he's like I heard that you were a good guy and I Oh, yeah, the pacing issues Tanja room not on drugs and it's getting bad ass be right. We see him bleeding on the ground and tan girls man and then it flashes back to where this morning by the way. It's the board dude. Yeah, the board dude was beating them up. Like we could tell that the board who was giving them two hands. But yeah, you didn't have to go back and show us how I remember it was like, what is this? It wasn't a good five minutes of time there. That's when this was like yo, I can hear people's thoughts. I can hear a heartbeat. He's like, yeah, what is up with these people? Yeah this episode. I was playing PK and watching it. What is up with everybody? I can hear people's thoughts. I can hear in my sleep. Because he heard them he heard it though. He said he's hearing them over talk. But he's really gonna sleep. Yeah. Yeah her conversations in his sleep. I was like, bro. You can't be serious. I mean to be fair when he sleeps he can walk demons asses to so I mean compared to everyone else. We need to relax. It's like oh, he's like I heard it's a heartbeat of a demon. I'm like y'all come on Yoda who got ashore again in this chair as I need to know so they're doing senses. Yeah, that's that's definitely feeling is a sense right like country. Yeah touch it. You can probably feel like the other ground with the human like maybe like a power thing here. We soap like I sense they are moving felis animosity. Five hours and stickers told me I could taste the moisture in here. It's about to rain soon because they thought it was like I could smell blood. He said I can hear and I can get clap but he's the boy. Listen to show but I like it was episode but this episode. It's definitely said it's like everything is going but like the pace. Yeah, like there's certain things. We didn't need to know about you didn't have to spend five minutes talking about this. Yeah, it could have been something else. All right, let's move on pretty good episode. Let's start with what we got all these finales now. Let's start with a one punch man. Yeah. We're going to move on to watch episode 12 the finale of this season 2. Okay episode cock episode first episode fares, right walls gonna start out like with the writing on the season, but this episode was clean as fuck. I can cook. That's how it's helping. So with this episode Oh, yes. Monica Fay I'll just play into K. And once the fight started I was like holy toledo. Oh my God, I'm not gonna lie, you know, they weren't Bug Guy. What's up? No, no. Is that like when one needs to like that animation is clean? Yeah, this season has been good. It's been Parts where it's been like old animations are kind of rough here generals was kind of weird. Yeah Norms but like this been certain fights with his just been like okay. I'm out of my seat. I'm paying attention. Yeah, I would say this season at least for me the biggest problem for me personally. It wasn't animation. It was a little bit of the pacing and story combine those two it because Like there was a point where I was like one episode. I just wasn't feeling it like it was born. Yeah, they might have been action in there. But like it was nothing like like this episode where someone is going to add just handed to him the other ones. It's just like I don't know a lot of men I guess this is what they're going to run into with the man. That's a really good one punch shit, but it's something I actually two generals like when he did this episode Road and like last episode when he pulled that like having those moments where the characters grow knows pulled up last number 2 episode 2 episode we talked about like big ass centipede are like, oh when he was fine, they are when Dennis was like, all right. I'm going to fuck you up any like he added turn on it even moves or Brolin fucking when they tried to cook about strategy and Generals blinded them and then Fang and his brother was like alright, we bought the combo this man when they move they like doing like some crazy form shit right before they're about a tacit that reminded some Goku and Vegeta type shit like when they bought a transform or something because that shit was dope. Oh my God. All right. Step it up. They can't come on. I hate that shit. This Sena about getting it and then I thought for sure he was dead. He lit his whole entire body and fire and shit. I've got one how he even survived that but yeah, that's the only It's definitely the best episode of the Season. Yes, bro. Okay, let's let's talk about this with real quick Garland's character. Now. I'm not hating I actually enjoyed the flashbacks. Oh, yeah, you know what Steve it was one of those moments where it was like a Thousand Oaks moment where he was telling his story and I was like feeling what he was saying because he was like, basically he got Boyd into playing the monster, but he didn't like how the heroes were pretty much the villains in his eyes. They beat up on the monster. It was him probably won't even want to be the monster right now. I was in groaning frame to kick that kids ass because he was acting like a douche bag get the kids liked your hold. I'm about to kick and the teacher was definitely brought why he was so nice. To the kid the barn and stuff like he's brought his whole character fools. He's not just evil and he's not even evil. Yeah, he's likable do he's a very like he's an antihero antihero frou-frou and then begin at that. He was just some like all right, he want to take over the world or some like but that the end. A zebra and I liked the most did I saved them was like yo, you ain't even really killing nobody. Yeah, that sounds like you're wait a minute. You're right and that that's what he was Leo man been holding back something. This is like the first people when he got introduced when he like broke everybody's armed and kill them. He just broke some body parts and walked away. Not even guys. It's not evil. So girl. Who's that boy? All right. And back in Gaara will play metal Bay. You know, he'll be like well, you'll just sit here talk. I'm gonna beat you at the front of her. I guess I got places to be and then obviously say time will come through and just the thing that I'm always like trying to figure out with one punch, man. Are we ever gonna get someone that's like I don't like equal footing because I know supposed to be like a parody but can we get someone that can actually go like To tell with this man, I think I don't know. I do think in the manga there's somebody okay. They had none. I just hear from friends and stuff. Like he just fights that are cool. But I feel like the whole premise of one punch man is everybody but sights on them. It's a bunch of cool characters in the world and like This is pretty much about them in saitama is just there to clean up the mess when things get out of here. It's basically my hero but like if it didn't focus on it's just I was gonna say it was something like like we know the shows like one punch man, but the show was like kind of following more so genomes so that it was like kind of like fairytale like it like looks like but it just follows Natsu. Yeah. I feel like this season it was following more of a garment. Yeah, maybe because like a seasonal thing maybe first season this season. Yeah garos more of the he's that sort of thing. That's moving the door. Yeah. He's moving apart. Pretty much. Yeah. I was a he's like becoming a bit more of the focus. Yeah. He does more. Of that later ones. That's why they're keeping. This season though. And this big disappointment? It was especially during like the whole tournament song of the word part of whatever and that shit. I feel like it was going real slow pace man, like from like I remember there is like you cover a lot of anime here and I just like told the guys like, you know, it's one Skip One. This week nothing happened though, and we skipped a couple times look up what I don't even know what it was. Yeah. Well it was the patient but like it's still a like cool characters to because I don't like the through you or whatever. Yeah tournament but it was it was just like a was a whole episode of him in saitama. Just one punching people. Yeah. It was just I'll wear my doing with my time. Yeah, but overall the season was was mad but that last episode was crazy. I feel like I don't know man, even though their last episode is crazy. I wanted still like them to go back to the studio mom girl and they know that Okay, we're moving on I mean a little busy Timmy you have the best part did he need it need Attack on Titan seasoned? Well episode 10. Now look this episode. This episode was probably the weakest in my eyes, but I don't know. It's just it was cool. You know like this season's been great. The reason why I say so because I nothing really happened. They got to be like no the beach. I don't know what school they get. These are playing in the water and shit and having fun. I thought it was kind of cool sad. I was definitely surprised I was like man that's sad is like all these motherfuckers dead. And now they realize like did not even close to being done Hilda loyalty to fight the other people. It's still gonna take over the world. Um, yeah. Mike I want to say this was the weakest of the stuff and I just wasn't crap. So I want to I want to say like it. It's a weakness for me, but that doesn't mean it sucked like it didn't like bad it just that this season was so damn good that all the episodes are definitely just like first episode they pulled up with to the wall and that guy's name for that other big time dude pulled Aaron that you are. It's you back. I know your father or something like that. I'm gonna pick you up later. I like your first episode I would like to afford. No, that was the first episode 6. I promise the first episode was them funding one Runner and boat virtual hiding in the wall when they're trying to find ourselves. Yeah. That was that was the first episode for second episode. I like it was like it was one of the first ones though, but you go on to say like first episode which is about them getting ready for the big war and actually fight a little bit like an episode. So that thing happened third episode number I was the crazy thing and then they made against the fucking basement and we gave her secrets and shit and we get there's so many things that happened and then the pull-up of Levi Levi. It's fucking burning up. There's the everyone that almost dies because of the fucking Fastball rocks bringing peace time. It's just there's so many that but my boy Levi get close real close this out. Exactly. No that was pretty much like all right gift card reader ball fly. So everybody go here car we go there no one else to me. But yeah. Let me get that. I feel like it was a A good a good closeout a good wrap up cuz I will see what it tastes definitely slowed things down and it had to do that. Yeah, they freed her the freed the guys shout out to the guys. Shout out to the guy. You know, you are Sheltie did they hit the streets? They are so young. Wait, not even just that. They said all the Titans that were in the first of all or no, the outermost wall was pretty much all of the fucking Titans on the island. So it was pretty much a wrap like their Titan Freedom. Let's let's just think about that real quick after this these three seasons for just like this this whole episode was like the definition of Bittersweet yo, yo, we murdered all Italians. mission accomplished but now what did it cost? Everybody's dead. It's nine of us. We're not even in double digits no more. And it was like they were so deep when the show first started and I was nine. And then they get to the fucking beach. Listen to the error is just like yo, what the fuck bro? It's like the same worth it. Are you telling me I got to fight a bunch of guns over there? The restaurant is Mansell. We got nine versus what a hundred thousand y'all was just like yo, and then he lucky lucky right on arm is break. His arm is over there having a fucking ball. Aaron's voice is just fucking Shakin and shit and he's like, hey my bull Upon Us in any moment that Marcus Peters like yeah. I see it. We ain't doing it. Yes this furnace, which was crazy second time. This season is just phenomenal phenomenal. Yeah, right. Season great episode extremely Loosely to like someone who reads it. It's actually not. I mean now it's actually not really too far back from where the manga is. Like. There's really just like work on this whole Pace like it's better for her. It's easier for you to catch up or at least for the animated catch up if they were to do another one because most of the manga chapters of them just talking so yeah. Yeah, it's like 45 pages of text and just like you so I'm pretty sure they get fed all that into a couple episodes not kill a budget. But I know that you say it like that this next season Mighty kind of short and my B12. mmm JoJo you got any last words or tackle time? I mean Cheers mural episode 25 the finale the best anime of the Season under like under under attack on time. Oh well last exactly last season but yet honestly, bro. This shit anime has been great. I can't believe it's been 25 episodes. It's a it's been fun been read but I'm out boys. Yeah, she'll hero man the wave um, they were fighting and all that stuff. You know, I called it everyone. I mean Steve saying like he had it too easy and they pulled up on his ass and they said nah. Now this episode's been cool. We see at the end. You know, he gets his like a little State little castle and I don't know if they said like he's there for good but he's definitely like easy like, you know, don't worry about that shit now because I feel like it was definitely kind of shit. Yeah. I like I like the way they did. It was like enough to you was crying begging them to stay he was he pretty much just You know just he's just like I didn't say like I'm staying in say he was like, yeah, he does feel like you will stand like for good. He was just Sensational bitch. I'm not gonna lie. I was gonna skip over that past. But yeah, huh Nah, oh, yeah, I do. All right. I know John stumble. I'm glad I had my headphones on anything they be talking about and like this is we're gonna talk but like when they are you watching something in subbed and it's a girl character they like maybe they get loud or anything. They are kind of in a fight or some shit. Did you make those noises? Like hey, what's going on? I want to say anything. I swear. I'm watching an anime. Yeah. Let's talk about let's talk about glass versus Duke it out with a lark. Yeah, Larkin Therese you I gotta I gotta admit this dolo and I'm mad he liked it wasn't necessarily easy, but he downloaded her quick as fuck. It's already found her weak. Yeah. And oh, yeah during this fight. I like that white glass lung cancer. Is there like open on saving the world like the nose and glasses like the old you better kill me? And I did cause I'm not that funny. That's what that's what he was like question. He's like wait I am here. I am I fighting the way so yeah. I want to get back home. Yeah. Yeah. She made him question himself feels like she's damn good guy. He really do fuck her up. You can barely that what you're talking about. That's what he said what you mean? Let me wild. Oh my God, chilling on the ship. Definitely and then they got a new female room. I got some listen. Hey, look, look, it's an improvement. That's this last row has complained for the past couple weeks. Yeah. The only person that I was cool. You look cool people to kill you and then he's like nah my stick with kiddo. What a 180 boy. That's what I'm saying. But I don't even know the fucking other Heroes real name like that really did their dad or relevant? Yeah, the eye Colleen both sword and spear. So that's on the like oh my God, he's not gonna betray him. I need the other girls to step it up. This has been and I needed to stop at him more females to the particles. I just feel like it's gonna be a for biopsy. It's gonna be your hand. Yeah, mostly stuff is gonna turn into a harem. It's not even like that is because I'll fucking tell you she's cool. But like melt he's a little girl. Feels a little girl sometimes and it sometimes but she has be chicken like fucking like helped her find her purpose. She was about to kill herself and he's like, no I'm not. Voice is annoying just be bleep. Whatever that we have to make exactly. What a real life. What a real one so far has only enough me around to you. What a real ones that I can't be the only one that feels like this bro game disrespected. Phyllo and Shane a real with pillows cool sometimes but she be out there. Well, I guess you is like five months. I mean she looks boring. I mean more badass you want, you know, you want the sword and shield. I mean the Boeing that's great to be doing some shit. I want those sword and I want the sword honest. The spirit are older like why they said media / a meteor stabbed meteor Arrow, like it won't be long. Like put on that one move in that goddamn it back on the boat. Yeah. All right. Did I jump in the sword? And he's useless. He just going about it the wrong way of trying to improve myself. I'm not going to let me go farms and more like no that's not your issue. Highlight sort of tour combat, man had no experience on the field. It ended a bull hero just like yeah. Yeah, just chilling like y'all. I'm going to going on every character, you know. I think so. Yeah, I think that's it. Right. Just give a fucking show. I feel like it's good. Tucker Summit true 13 only Chef that was gonna last like three episodes. Good job guys. Good job. Um, yeah dang and we got a guest for the finale. Somebody get the sound I heard next season. Sorry next thing is gonna be dope to Got all types of things and yeah, that's it for me. I'm not going to say much y'all got anything they to wrap it up Steve. No, this season has been firing. I'm glad we're still going man. Clean 13 episodes. Yeah, it's been it's been fun. It's been great. JoJo instance a Good to get some I make pinions out there, you know get some news. I like this shit. So I'm really liking I was going to have this whole week. Yeah teamwork, you know here though right here seem to be really crazy over talking someone bro. Mr. Splash man Alice. Oh shit, you catch me on Twitter as its source is different on Twitter at okay cleat like Khalid like the singer everybody spell Khalid and it's like yeah. Nah, thank you for having me on bro. 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Welcome to the season finale of Otaku Summit and the anime season! On this episode, Otaku Summit is joined by Splvsh who talks new anime announcements with the guys. Studio Nut dropped a trailer for their new upcoming anime called Deca-Dence and it cools really dope! One of the listeners sent in a question saying, "What current gen anime do you guys think will be remembered in 15 - 20 years? (Like how we talk about Cowboy Bebop). They guys then talk about how this Spring season of anime went and if it lived up to their expectations (@24:20). The anime review section starts off with Demon Slayer episode 13 (@ 35:50) Steve and Chaos talk about what they see that can be a problem with the show. The group then talks about One Punch Man (@ 47:15) and how the season was a disappointment but the last couple of episodes with super fire! The next season finale the Otaku Summit guys talk about is Attack on Titan, (@ 59:38) Was this the best anime of the season? The last anime review is Shield Hero (@ 67:00), This anime was a big sleep starting off the season but ended up becoming one of the best ones. Hope you guys enjoy the episode and be on a look out for the next episode soon! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hi everyone. This is Susan Advocate and welcome to the very first episode of the studio inside a podcast. In these episodes I'll bring you deep inside my art studio practice and how I run my business as a professional artist. I'll be sharing loads of useful information about my tools my materials and of course my mindset but most of all this podcast is about the ups and downs in this karada crazy life as Professional artist so welcome inside my studio. I hope my journey can help you feel a bit more at home. Looking your own. In this first season of the podcast. I'll be coaching my good friend in the studio assistant lawyer day through the process of preparing for her first solo exhibition. We talked about everything from how to finish paintings and a cohesive body of work to finding your own style to wrestling with all those big emotions that come along with putting your heart out there into the world. There is something here in this first season. for every emerging artists welcome to the very first episode of the Susan netiquette Studio inside a podcast. I'm so thrilled to be here and I'm even more thrilled to introduce you to a very special guest who will be joining me for the first series of the podcast. I'd like you to meet Laura Day. Hi Laura, how are you? Hi, I'm good. Thanks. So Laura is currently my studio assistant and also my friend and she comes and helps me with all Ends of things in the studio, but she is also an artist in her own right who paints beautiful abstract art and who is having her first solo exhibition very soon. Yay. How you feeling about it Laura? Yeah. I'm getting a little bit nervous. Yeah. Laura often says to me after we've just discussed something in the studio. We should have recorded this conversation. It would have been so helpful to other aspiring artists. So that's what we've decided to do. So each week Laura's going to bring their question about something. She's curious about in the studio or in the business as relates to her own practice, and I'm going to answer it and I think you'll find that Laura's questions may have a lot in common with the questions that you might have also about how is it that I do that thing? Whatever that thing might be. So what's the question you have for me today Laura? A few things. I think that what we have been talking about recently in the lead-up to my exhibition is when I get three quarters of the way through a painting I sort of get stuck at that resolution stage and it's like how do I get to that next step and and I think also to stepping into painting as well like I've Was a printmaker for a long time too. So it's it's I'm learning new skills, and I'd probably don't feel as confident in my technique. So yeah, just one D wanting your input force the the Eternal question. How do I finish a painting? I think that's something that everyone finds a bit challenging and I think that's something that you evolve at becoming better at over. I am as an artist as well. So for me the process of finishing a painting for me, it's quite clear now because I've done a lot of it but that came as a result of having a very very productive Studio practice for a long time. So I get really clear kind of internal indications now about when that paintings finished. I just kind of have a moment where I just know, but I know that's not actually very helpful to the stage where you're at and I remember being at that stage when you're still in the process of evolving your own style and figuring out what your unique visual languages and how to get to that point of going. Okay, I'm done now because it's harder to know when you haven't quite evolved. Is that sort of the point where you're actually yeah. Yeah. I'm experimenting with a lot of different techniques and styles and I guess I haven't found, you know, my visual language as such and Yeah, it's it's just Yang getting those tools under my belt. I think to to take it over the line and feel like it's coming together. Yeah, absolutely. It can be a really challenging point and it's also I mean part of the reason we do exhibitions is so that we have that opportunity to create a body of work and get further along that road to knowing what our style is here. So and you're at that stage is an emerging artist where you're figuring those things out. So I think what I'd Very helpful for you Laura at this stage of the game is to actually see that there's two processes going on in this preparation for your exhibition. So one part of that process is you are trying to complete a body of work to put on an exhibition. The other thing you're doing is you're trying to make some decisions and firm up some boundaries around what your particular style of art is and what how you express yourself. So It's Tricky and away. Because you're putting on an exhibition. So you want that product to be all finished and beautiful. But on the other hand, you're still figuring out what that style is going to be at the end of it. So if you can regard the exhibition itself is an opportunity to creating a few different containers for how that that process can occur. I think it'll actually be super helpful to you in this whole journey of figuring out how to finish a painting So drop me to describe does that how does that sit with you? Yeah, that feels that feels really helpful. I think having a little bit of an overview. I think I guess my stumbling block for myself is I have this when I when I mean the creation space I have an idea of okay. This is this needs to be presentable to hang on a wall for an exhibition and I think that is holding me back. Back a little bit as well. I can totally understand what you mean, but I think it can I think it's achievable. I really think that you can create a beautiful exhibition while still allowing yourself Freedom within your our own art process to figure out those directions. So for example, what I would suggest as a first step would be to look because you've got a body of work you've created already. That's about 3/4 incomplete. Well, we're assuming that because you don't yet know what your process is for finishing a painting. You're sort of identifying it around that 3/4 Mark. Yeah, I'm getting to that stage. You've got a body of work like several pieces that you've been working on in sort of a few different directions. Is that correct? Yeah, that's right. Okay, cool. So what I would suggest is getting out that whole body of work and starting to group them together so that like is with like so you might end up with two three groups. I don't I'm not sure but try and see where the common threads are within all of The paintings and start making them into families and I think once you've got them into those families it'll start to crystallize for you. What are the directions that you're organically sort of moving in? Anyway, I have several different styles that I work in. This is something that that I process. I've been through myself that I do quite deliberately now because I've just further along that road than where you are now, but this is effectively what I did to evolve a have sort of my floral abstract style, which is really bright and Some free and then I have a Botanical abstract style, which is much more stylized and totally different. But they can but they work together. There is a cohesiveness there. But when I'm in an exhibition space I will group those works together with each other so that they so like is with luck. So in terms of your process, I think it's possible for you to look at the work that you've got put them into those groups and identify within those groups just allow yourself to be with each group of painting like each one on its own and just See if you can follow some next urges like notice what pops up for you. Is there any thoughts like this is missing or and this color needs to go into this painting or because that's taking you further along the road, but I think if you regard it as a body of work and you start identifying what the different bodies of work are they kind of help each other to evolve just that makes sense. Like it's like one thing leads to another I always work on paintings in groups unless it's a gigantic painting when that where that's hot But usually I will work on a several different paintings at once and I know a lot of artists do that because it helps to free up the process but after a while it's almost like they start talking to each other. It's actually quite a delightful process. So I think if you can do that with each of the groups that you'll find that there's a Natural Evolution that happens and also because they're in a group. I think you'll get a greater sense of when it feels done and then I think until you've been through that process. Is of dividing them up into their little their families, it's harder to know where that done point is because doing it does that make sense? Because at least within you know, I mean, I do create abstract work and I create a lot of floral work and I don't do a lot of bad stretch and to be honest. I find them much harder to complete than representational work because it's a little more obvious with representational work where the finish line is. Hmm. But with abstract it's a little looser and you can you know, there's less rules or expectations with abstract art in from the viewers perspective. So it's Freer but I think if you put them in groups, you'll get extent a better sense for that feeling of done. Yeah, whereas if it's next to something that's not part of that family. Sometimes it can take you away from the feel of that body. Mmm. How does that sit with you? Yeah. Well, I feel like there are a few things happening for me. And there are threads of what I want to continue to explore. I mean like there's the pure abstraction then I've got some color block more refined shapes and then Mark making as well. So I think yeah thinking about it like that. I mean, I've got a few of my paintings just sitting in my lounge room. So they're in my space when I'm watching TV and things like that, but it might be helpful to bring everything out and just have that big bird's eye view. Yeah of of the whole picture and then even some of the work that I've been creating. It doesn't feel like me. Yeah, so like having that elimination phase as well to pull pull the pieces out that don't feel like they're part of the stories that the probably and then probably very relevant to your Evolution as an artist and you will do like things from them, but yes putting Together an exhibition is it's an editing process really of choosing what's going in it what's not going in and then choosing how you're going to group it together and I think by approaching the body of work that you've created in this way by dividing it up into different groups and then deciding where finished is in relation to those different groups. You have half edited your exhibition. So you have to have designed it already because you already know what your main. Groupings of paintings are so your mind will probably naturally start to flow toward how they're going to hang on a wall together. If there are pieces that work together as a grouping that you can hang, you know quite close to each other and you may want to actually put those, you know, if you can see those connections starting to happen when you start to group the work then work on those three paintings together to arrive at a point of completion because it may be that the point of completion occurs as a Section between the paintings. I really like that idea. Yeah, I like them talking to each other because yeah, it would be nice to see that thread coming through. Yeah. So I really like the advice of working on a series or a group of paintings to bring it to completion. Yeah, I feel like that's that's achievable. I think it's probably the next logical step to yeah. I know that this podcast probably won't go to air at the same time frame as we're talking through the preparation for your exhibition. But how far is it away from now that you're going to be like six weeks or something? Yeah. It's yeah, you're six weeks out from the exhibition starting. So I think now is a really really great time to go through that work and divided up into families. Yeah, and then and then start to put in view of all of them start. To think about that question of how do I bring these to completion because completion for each of those groups may be different and and I think also as an emerging artist having your first exhibition, it's really important to give yourself the freedom to exhibit and investigate different directions if that's how it's occurring for you. I mean, it's fine. If you've got a very linear way of working in a very cohesive style to of course go with that for an exhibition but in the position where You're in which I think a lot of artists are in including myself where there's a few different threads that you're wanting to explore in more detail through your work then exhibit though is because it's not just about your experience of making the work. It's about it going into the world and how people are responding to the work. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean this exhibition is more about my healing Journey as well. So it's about a journey. So even exhibiting some of my Works improve Progress like and Explorations like that would probably be relevant for this sort of exhibition. Yeah. Yeah, beautiful. I think something that's also may be gone. Unsaid is using intuition in that process. Yes like that tapping into that inner inner knowing which is the exact thing that I'm talking about. What ya say that I have mmm, I do have I've got good intuition. and I've got really honed intuition and It's something that I'm very passionate about. And it's absolutely the core of everything that I do. Yeah, and I know that you approach it from that direction as well. Mmm, but intuition can become very confusing when you're at the pointy end of actually creating a finished product. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah it is that trying to decipher between that that guiding voice and the kind, you know in in annoying and the self-critic really The nasty main girl that her needs to be told to go and sit in the place. She's got something nice to say keep it to yourself. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. And that can I mean that voice can become overwhelming in the lead up to an exhibition. I personally find exhibitions very stressful from that perspective. I'm really bad with deadlines. I don't enjoy them I complete them, but I take them away to seriously get why you to use stressed out about them. So I do a lot of exhibitions because it just doesn't sit. Well with me as a human and I guess I found other ways of selling my art that work better for me and the way that I am but I think exhibitions so they can bring up heaps of stress for people in terms of worrying about how people are going to receive your work. But I really encourage you to flip that around and see this this first solo exhibition as an amazing opportunity for you to be able to put not This one body of work but a few bodies of work in front of a group of people that are all going to be very kind. Let's face it. They're not going to come to you exhibition and be rude to you, you know, it's going to be mainly friends family colleagues that are going to come along they're going to be kind but they're also going to show you what they respond through what they respond to and you'll be able to observe that at the opening but you can also observe that through sales and what people are responding. To in a fiscal sense, which is relevant. I mean, let's face it. If you're trying to establish yourself as a professional artist, you need to be able to identify what of your work is selling and what people are responding to because that is a big part of the equation. It's of course not the only part of the equation and you absolutely have to always be Aiming for that expression that's that comes fully from you. But it's a part of the of what's relevant. Right? You're there to actually establish yourself as a professional artist. That's part of the process, right? Yeah. Yeah. So this is an amazing opportunity for you to be able to get a gauge on what people are responding to and so that you can use that information to evolve your journey, you know, and it may be that there's a body of work that really Deeply feeds and emotional part of you and a part of it and then another like way of working that makes you more money and those two might balance each other out. So they're all relevant bits of information and that's a great opportunity that you have to investigate those areas by not not trying to complete everything in the same way that complete what is appropriate for each group in that appropriate way and and from there. You're going to get so much useful information. Yeah, I think it's a lot of the insecurities and that's coming up is the unknown and not knowing how people will respond because I haven't shown my work for a very very long time and it's something new as well. So yeah, I guess that's sort of in the back of my mind when I'm creating the work but Guess coming coming from the point of view or the perspective of this is all like an exploration for me and it's just a showing of you know like this period of time of me creating new work. And then yeah, I guess I'll be given some indication after the exhibition of what might be commercially viable and what feels good for me to keep evolving and keep producing and the reality is that it's always going to be a combination of those two what's commercially viable and what feels right to be producing because as you mentioned before you've this body of work has come out of a healing Journey. If you so which is paint a lot for my own healing as well. It's something that Laura and I am sure we'll talk about at some point through the podcast. That is so important that it continues to do that for you. But yes, you do need to also be observing. How are people responding to my art? I mean, I guess one of the ways that I've found very useful in terms of warming myself up to what people are like in what they're not liking is using social media and posting Works in progress and seeing what people are responding to and and and receiving feedback in from that direction that has been very helpful to me, but it also can't be Entire story because you've got to be following your own threads as well the posting your journey as you go along you getting feedback from people. Yeah. I am. Yeah people making nice comments and I can't really say that I have posted in like the three different sort of themes it would be it would be it would be interesting just to get a gauge as well bad really great way to get a gauge because the other thing that happens when When I mean I'd know that I use my phone to take photos of a work of art to help me decide if it's finished. Have you ever tried that so I will offer you so I often can see better. What's missing from a painting when I look at it through the lens of my that's actually when it comes up on the screen and my phone it's like there's something about looking at it that my I guess my I expects to see a finished product. So I have a really clear indication if it's finished. But also grouping them together will give a greater visual impact and creating some of the photos where you've grouped them and displayed them and tried out different concepts and posting those and seeing how people respond to those will give you a lot of information a lot of really valuable information and I'll be interested to see how people respond. Yeah. Yeah, I mean a lot in my work for you a help with putting Work in situ in interiors and it's really good to get that visual yet just idea of how it may look in a room or in someone's home. Yeah. So posting something like that would probably be helpful to absolutely and I think even I mean you're a designer, so just for all of you listening Laura does a lot. She's a she's a qualified graphic designer. So she's an extremely handy person. She's very fluent with illustrator. Photoshop, which I'm basically a hack but we make it work gently but using those design skills and principles in regarding your work, like if you can somehow find a way to step back from that place that could that very Roar emotional space with you out which all of us are in is artists. So nothing wrong with that. It's so normal and and if you can't do that then asking a friend that has that ability to do that with you or for you to try and give you that outside opinion might be very helpful. Mmm, but you know, you know, like when we do lots of Photography in the studio where we photograph artwork of mine and we're often using very basic principles like Take something away take something out of that image or add something in you know, you get very clear cues, don't you about what looks good. So if you can shift your mindset from What You observe as an artist too if pretend it's mine and you're just styling it like yeah, would your opinion be can you know shift your mindset to something different? And see if that produces a different thought pattern for you in relation to if it's done or not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we do get I do get very close to it and energy is you do have because they like your babies. Yeah that yeah. So having that distance can be helpful. But yeah, I'm definitely when I get home. I'm gonna pull everything out into my lounge room and reshuffle everything and just get that. Picture yeah and break that big picture down into the little pictures because that will really help you because there's really two parts to this conversation. We've had today isn't there. It's been the part the question about how do you know when it's done and the other part of it which you kind of need to know to answer that question is well what is done for this particular genre of my work? And is there more than one going on here and identifying what those? Those are so that as an artist you can evolve allow yourself to evolve into all the relevant directions as they happen. How does that sit with you around? Yeah, this has been an awesome conversation. Yeah, great. I've loved it. Well, I think this probably wraps up our first episode of the podcast. Yay. How exciting thanks for joining me. Well, thank you for your mentoring. You're welcome. So do you want to let people know where they can find you online? I'm on Instagram at laurajane day. Awesome. Yay. You can go and say hi to Laura over there. And thanks everyone. We'll catch you next time. Bye. Bye. Thanks for joining me for the studio inside a podcast. You can always see more of my art over on Susan netiquette.com. And if you're interested in learning from me or checking out the podcast link, so you can find those on my education website at Susan Advocate studio.com. I love hearing your comments and feedback. So feel free to leave a review on iTunes or find me on Instagram at Susan medikit. Catch you next time.

We're off and running with the Susan Nethercote Studio Insiders Art Podcast! So let's dive straight in. In this episode I introduce artist Laura Day, an emerging abstract artist preparing for her first solo exhibition. Laura also happens to be my studio assistant and all-round beautiful human. Listen in as we delve into the questions this process raises and I guide her along this path of becoming a professional artist. You can be sure we are tackling some of the big stuff in this podcast and we’re diving straight in to a big, multifaceted question- how to bring a body of work to completion. I share my insights and strategies of how to go about things like:  ⦁Learning what finished ‘feels’ like for you  ⦁How to divide up a large body of work into ‘families’ and identify the different styles that are emerging. ⦁Allowing yourself to learn and grow as an emerging artist within the context of an exhibition. ⦁Using social media as a testing ground for what’s working and what isn’t. ⦁Utilising an exhibition as a marketing research tool. I’d love to hear if bringing your art to completion is one of your struggles? Or maybe you have some of your own tips for this process? Of course, please rate and review this Podcast to help others find it and sign up for my Studio Insider emails so you never miss an episode, you'll receive loads of FREE goodies to help you in your art.

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For that detail, it will be important later on and after the jaw fracture the two were on and off again as Shannon rightfully could not get over what had happened to her her family knew about the incident and so did his Shannon made sure not to let Alex forget what he had done to her. Diaz was in his late 20s at the time. He was in on-again off-again driver for the World Class party girl service. The agency was run by an entrepreneur if we can even call him that name Joseph Ruiz who Alex knew because he was the owner of a kebab house that Frequent it in this place called Journal Square, New Jersey. Alex would go back and forth from driving escorts to working minimum-wage jobs. He kept his work with world-class Party Girls a secret from his family and that began to weigh on him. But each time he'd walk away the money would draw him back in it was far more than he was making as a security guard at one point. It was reported that the minimum for calls coming into world-class party girls around $500 for an hour, but world-class Party Girls was subsequently shut down Ruiz all Ultimately got picked up by the cops for his involvement with the escorting service police have been working for about a year to uncover. What Ruiz was doing this left both Alex and Shannon unemployed while Alex was collecting unemployment at the time Shannon tried other quote normal jobs, but she couldn't make ends meet the financial stress began taking a toll on their relationship fights became more regular between the two right after the world class Party Girls service was busted by the police Shannon began working for a new escort service outside of the It's called fallen angels with the Z. It is through this agency that she met Michael Pak a Korean man from Queens who would ultimately drive her to Oak Beach on the night of her disappearance Sean and quickly realized that she was at the bottom of the totem pole in Fallen Angels, right? She was like a total freshman. Yeah, and the best jobs were going to the more senior girls which Shannon and pack found odd because they were often older. Yeah, and this is a profession that's basically rooted and youth and appearances exactly. So they started getting strung along by the agency because they were the newbies he's and they'd get sent on a call just to find out it was a busted either be a cancellation or a no-show and it became a waste of their time and money. So this is when Shannon turned to sites like Craigslist. She's now freelancing and pack was on board. They actually became business partners. Now Shannon will post a few pictures at an ad on the internet and finding clients was easy enough Coker explains their arrangement in his book in exchange for driving her to their jobs pact would keep a third of what she made and Shannon we keep the rest the two made a good team. It was an Opposites Attract sort of situation. She was very talkative and gregarious and fun and bold while he according to kolker was shy and quiet. So the two kind of balanced each other out. They spent a lot of time together driving a calls and in between calls and after calls Shannon took the opportunity to share her life through stories during those long nights and by this time she and Alex had stopped arguing as much but things sort of felt tepid Shannon allegedly. Stop discussing her future Beyond escorting. You talk of finishing College dwindled but on the night before pack drove Shannon out to Oak Beach for what would be her last call A Taste of Alex and Shannon's old relationships set through the current Stillness. The two went on a date to the movies and according to qualquer. They snuck in Taco Bell to the theater and they saw the newest Freddy Krueger movie poker Accounts at Alex felt, like this part of their relationship was the real part of it. This is what he'd always wanted and this is what he hoped would last but after that movie Shannon cut the night short to me. With pack for a job she met him by the PATH train in Journal Square, New Jersey and around 1:00 a.m. She texted Alex telling him that she was going out for a call. This is the last time they would talk for those of you who are not familiar. The PATH train is a New Jersey train similar to the subway. But because it's in New Jersey, it's inferior, right that brings me in the commuters to Manhattan and back to Jersey. Yeah, actually our close friend lived in Journal Square about a year ago. So we used to get there via the The PATH train, we've actually been to the station that Shannon allegedly frequent did when she was going out on calls. We didn't know this at the time though. So Shannon and pack accepted a call out in Oak beach now Long Island in many ways feels like a different world than Manhattan in Jersey City and Oak Beach feels like a different world than Long Island and Manhattan and Jersey City. It really is quite unique. That's for sure ask any long Islander, which is better South Shore Beaches or North Shore Beaches Suffolk County or Nassau County and you're going to like We find yourself being slammed with reasons as to why one is better than the other that's depending on where the person you question is from usually some reference to a superior area code will be thrown in there. Five. One six is Nassau County's area code and 6 3 1 is suffix area code. Yeah, and I'm not biased or anything, but I'm really not sure who wouldn't want to five one six area code over at 6:31 area code. Oh, you're completely right. I'm also not biased though. Okay. Also just like a quick side note if you say In Long Island versus on Long Island. You're wrong. You're just wrong. Yeah you live on Long Island. You don't live in Long Island, but back to our geography discussion, right Nassau County is significantly smaller, but it's way more populated I think congested is the word that you're looking for. Yes, exactly. And Suffolk county is more land. So naturally everything is more spread out and Audi's there's the North Fork and the South Fork. Yeah. Let me just interject here in Manhattan, especially in the summertime. You'll regularly hear the phrase. Oh, I'm heading out. Out east is how many New Yorkers reference their trips out to Long Island? Particularly The Hamptons and Montauk and what these Hampton going New Yorkers are not familiar with are they hidden gems on Long Island? The only true natives know about but we'll get back to that in a second. Right? So out east on the North Fork, you'll find a pretty different vibe than you would on the South Fork for starters. The North Fork is generally known for its wineries. It's definitely in my personal experience more laid-back country feel it's not as much partying or Youngman. Yeah, tonight's and not as much trendiness which the residents are generally glad about exactly the Hamptons and more recently Montauk have become very trendy and hip amongst the young people who are looking for the latest bar or the best sunset pic to post on Instagram and many of the locals who are so not about that life are fed up with the infiltration of these groups into their towns. Yeah. This hasn't happened as much on the North Fork. Well yet something that also fascinates out-of-towners is the beach culture. So the South Sure, and the North Shore across the island have totally different Beach feels. Yeah, the North Shore is super Rocky and I mean you're on totally different bodies of water. The North Shore is predominantly on the Long Island Sound Of course with the exception of some North Shore Beaches that are in base or Harbors like Oyster Bay, for example, and the South Shore Beaches are on the Atlantic Ocean. Definitely softer sand less rocks and our experience way more crowded. Yeah. Just going to take the time here to plug our Instagram account at crime Coast pod. We have a lot of awesome pictures of all the areas we're talking about here. Yeah, definitely go check out the pictures so you can get a visual. I'll even post a picture of everyone packed on a South Shore Beach like sardines, right? Because the beach well Toby at least has literally disappears. So people are forced to sit essentially on top of each other. I think that was because of the dredging that took place on Gilgo. Apparently when you dredge a beach it improves the beach you're working on but it really impacts the beaches around it. Yeah, Toby which is how the locals To the town of Oyster Bay Beach is right next to Gilgo Beach on the South Shore along Ocean Parkway. It's essentially all one strip of beach, but the town split it up and designate each Beach to corresponding towns, right? So if you live in a town that lets say is part of Huntington you would be designated to go to Robert Moses Beach whereas if your town is located in the larger Township of Oyster Bay, then you would be designated to go to toe Bay Beach. So it's kind of like a private beach, but also not really At all one of the most famous beaches that does not require a town residents for accesses Jones Beach, which again is on the same strip of land as Ocean Parkway and Gilgo Beach this trip is where we're really going to focus on for most of this podcast because to remind you all this is where most of the bodies were found. Yes, exactly. So if you're going from west to east, it's Joan speech then Toby then go go and then the oak Beach Community is tucked in right after Gil go if you keep going east you'll eventually hit Robert. Speech and Fire Island just to make note back in the 90s. There were also remains found on Fire Island, right? So to recap the North Shore is a little bit trendier and some would even argue uppity. The South Shore is way more easygoing. It has a more salt-of-the-earth kind of vibe. The South Shore is where you go. If you want to drive around with your windows down and sing 70s rock songs. So the top of your lungs so exactly what we've been doing every summer since we've been able to drive one place. We've always loved to do. This is Ocean Parkway because it feels like an entirely different planet. Than the rest of Long Island. Yeah, it's just the epitome of a beach drive. There are cattails swaying back and forth down want to a Parkway and there's marshy water poking through the background. You'll even find some people down in the marshy grass with fishing poles and bait you'll find bikers rollerbladers Runners and Walkers and they're all keeping Pace along the road on The Pedestrian path. Yeah and a side note. I do not know how anyone can bike down to the beach, especially with a beach chair on your back like the ride down fine, maybe but the problem is having to get After a day at the beach, I am shot. There is no way I can bike back all Sandy and sunburned. Yeah. I remember some of our friends tried it and ended up needing a ride home. Yeah, I am all about the drive. Right and when you get to the end of Wantagh Parkway, you'll be met with a pretty overwhelming traffic circle all centered around the Jones Beach Water Tower. Yeah, and people can get pretty aggressive at the traffic circle. Like you better know what you're doing because the locals treat it as if it's not overwhelming at all and the tower is pretty important too as multiple remains were found here as well. The Jones Beach water tower is to our knowledge. The furthest west that any bodies were found when the police scoured the area. It's important to note that even within the past few years Ocean Parkway has become a bit more built up on the North side of the road the bike path that existed on the wand to a Parkway was extended past Jones Beach East all the way down to toe Bay Beach, which is the beach. That's right next to go go and within the past year a zip lining course. Was constructed along the Jones Beach boardwalk and I will hold my opinions on the ice or there are a few seafood restaurants in the beach parking lots, but this is not a road. You're going to find a CVS or a gas station on it's just open road that's surrounded by Marsh and water on either side. Yeah. I mean with the exception of the new additions you just mentioned Ocean Parkway is a desolate area. There are some street lights now, but overall it's pitch black at night. Yeah. I was actually recently down at go go and along that strip of oh Ocean Parkway, there are no overhead street lights for miles and just a side note along all of the south side of the road and along most of the north side of the road. There is not even a guardrail separating the parkway from the Bramble and the brush it goes straight from road to overgrowth making it up pretty easy to just pull your car over on the side of the road where there are no street lights and have pretty easy access to all the thick vegetation. Basically what I'm saying is that it seems relatively Easy to dispose of a body out there without being spotted. Yeah in the a any documentary The Killing season the two documentarians Rachel and Joshua actually drove down to Ocean Parkway at night. They pulled over on the side of the Parkway and they decided to see not only how frequently cars would drive by but how long you had from the time you spotted there faint headlights to when the car would actually be next to you passing you. It was at least a couple of minutes and that's a long time when you think about it so Ocean Parkway that dark desolate strip of road. It's the exact Parkway that Gilbert impact drove down in the black Explorer on their way to what was Shannon's last call Shannon and pack had done a few Long Island calls, but they were not there enough to be familiar with this area. So it was really far for them this needed to be worth it and the call was worth it. The call was for two hours. So even if they missed other calls because of the time it would take to get there and back the $300 or more would be worth it. Right, and it would be more if Shannon could extend the date and she wanted to and ultimately she did Shannon was in there for three hours without pack so much as hearing a word from her and her customer the John or client was a man named Joe Brewer and jobber was well known around the oak Beach Community and not necessarily in the best ways According to some right. So according to colcord's book. The Brewer family owned a lot of real estate residential and Commercial further Inland on Long Island kolker spoke to Neighbors. Is who asserted that Joe was the Fredo of the family quote in his mid-40s paunchy and unemployed Brewer once worked on Wall Street, but he hadn't worked in years. He was staying at his mom's place in Oak Beach and apparently did what he wanted. Allegedly. The place was a wreck not just like cluttered but dirty and resembling a hoarders residence. He had a young daughter who apparently never came around and he was not married. Yeah. He treated his mother's place on Oak Beach as some sort of backed their bad for college like escapades. He allegedly confided in a few men in the neighborhood that the house was just a quote party pit for him and his friends a place where you can do whatever you wanted to do and quote and this didn't exactly bode. Well for the residents of Oak Beach who had a very different idea of what their Community should be right Oak Beach had always prided itself on seclusion and a low-key life on the water. Bob Brewers Antics were exactly the opposite of What the residents wanted the It is treated the area as if it really was a gated community. And now I mean there is a gate preceding the neighborhood with a little electronic keypad and a sign that reads Oak Island beach Association. Yep, check out our Instagram for a picture of the gate and the sign. Yeah, but the Town of Babylon actually owns the land so the residents on their houses, but they don't own the land beneath them. So they're constantly renewing leases for the land with the town and what this means is that it's not a high security. Exclusive gated community. It's just like any other community on Long Island in theory. You could walk through that neighborhood just as you could the neighborhood of like Levittown, right? But the oak Beach residents don't like that to be advertised as kolker puts a quote walking past the gate isn't against the law but it sends a message. Yeah, the gate sends a message of the type of community the residents wish to uphold. Yeah back in the 80s and 90s a popular hangout spot Woods the oak beach in also referred to as The OB I the OB I was a bar right on the water in the mouth of Oak Beach Community. Yeah, and the residents were fed up with their quiet community being the watering hole for a bunch of drunk young kids who wanted to party and have fun police Crackdown and many tried to fight for the OB. I to be shut down for good the obyeye lovers rallied fighting for their beloved bar on the beach to remain open. We have a lot of fun going down to OB I didn't we oh those were great night. You look forward to them all day at work. Yeah, we would meet our friends for happy. A our Oak beach in everyone and remember close the OB I yeah the truck driving up and down the alley who's just a wonderful place to go in the summertime. Yeah. There's nothing like Ocean Drive Beach vibe to had a beach Vibe and driving down Ocean Parkway. My God windows open is old sinner Rising. I mean was great but you're finally free you could just you're out of work you go down there you'd have a good time good stuff people that you know it down there all the time the same people a lot of fun. I know she probably is one of Hi in 92 the OB I was finally shut down and now all you'll find is an empty parking lot where the OB I used to stand. Everyone was there and tells in a good mood. I was in a good mood until the town or the residents. They didn't want the OB I anymore they didn't want people drinking hanging out and eventually the whole place shut down and became a ghost town and the former OB eyesight is bordered to the East and the west by the residences of Oak Beach and it became a quiet desolate place the It's of Oak Beach, ultimately one and on May 1st 2010 the Sleepy Community, whatever the spotlight back on them right when Brewer who some might characterize as the black sheep of the community answered an ad on a site like Craigslist for a few hours with Shannon Gilbert as pack pulled up through the gate with Shannon in the car for a greeted the to well he opened the gate and he and Shannon receded back into his house right pack explained that he didn't see either for about 3 hours. Well wait, he saw them once when they came out of Brewers car? To quote unquote run an errand Shannon run this by pack and he didn't ask questions. He just assumed that they were buying drugs, but he couldn't be sure right. I mean the only thing that strikes me here is that you really can't get anywhere and buy anywhere meaning like a store at least right in 20 minutes there and back. I mean you could maybe get two stores in Babylon over the Robert Moses bridge in about 15 minutes, but this issue is the timing of getting back, right? So I'd say they probably went somewhere local and buy local. We mean maybe another house again. We're not sure for what though? And this is just our local speculation exactly and pack didn't even get a good look at Brewer until three hours into this call right when pack heard a knock on his car window and it was Brewer asking him to get Shannon out of his house Brewer claimed that she wouldn't leave according to Coal cars account of this encounter Brewer didn't seem angry or scared. He just simply wanted to get her out so pack got out of his car and went into Burgers house and going into a client's house. Not something he had ever done or ever wanted to do as he walked in. The house was in usual Joe Brewer fashion. It was dirty there was food and knickknacks everywhere. He saw Shannon standing in the doorway of the kitchen kolker describe. Shannon is apparently looking the same as always quote chestnut brown wig with blond streaks a pair of dangly hoop earrings a brown leather jacket and jeans and quote pack said to Shannon Shannon. Let's go home to which she replied you guys are trying to kill me packet first didn't think she was being serious. Serious, he was going to laugh but he quickly realized that she was in fact being serious and she actually seemed scared. Yeah, she wasn't panicking yet, but she was definitely frightened packed right again. He said come on Shannon don't you want to go home? Let's go home pack tried pressing Brewer asking him why she wouldn't leave and by now Brewer was done with this whole thing. He walked towards Shannon. He tried to put an arm around her, but she shrieked and then he replied fuck this. So Brewer left the room leaving pack to deal with Shannon now. We're going to read a few direct quotes from coker's book here to explain what happened. Next pack said Shannon. Do you want to go and she replied? I'll find my own way home. She allegedly crawled behind the couch pack figured he take her word and went to open the door and leave but then Shannon quickly retorted Mike. Where are you going? Huh? You want to go pack said she didn't answer at this point and Pac was at a loss for what to do. He sat down in a chair at the dining room table. Shannon asked him why he was Setting pack trying to come up with an explanation for what was happening thought Shannon must be imitating a scene from a movie. She really liked. It's called Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where a similar scene actually plays out. He thought she was faking it Shannon didn't reply. She was on the phone pack heard her say quote Long Island into the receiver pocket here that it sounded like she was on the phone with nine one one and that upset and Confused him in this business. You really don't want to rub elbows with the cops unless you Have to so I would Shannon and I scored on call be on the phone with them. This always felt important to me. If it really was all an act or there really was no danger. Why would Shawn and want to involve the police? She's already had run-ins with the law because of escorting. It just wouldn't make sense for her to jeopardize getting in trouble with the cops like that. If she really didn't feel like she was in legitimate danger, but pack felt scared. He had brushes with the law in his past and he did not want to get taken in again. He felt an Impulse to On he felt concerned this is when Michael left he sat in the car for a minute trying to gather his thoughts. She says she'll find her way home. She's calling 9-1-1 he thought pack just wanted to get out of there and then he looked up and saw a brewer standing on the House's second floor balcony pack shouted up letting him know that Jenna was still inside and that's when Brewer bolted back inside pack believes that this must have startled Shannon because the next thing he knew she burst out the door towards him falling. On the patio stairs and quickly picked herself up. Again, Michael who is still in the car couldn't tell what was happening, but thought great. She finally wants to go home. He called her Shannon Janan. He turned on the car headlights tried following her down the narrow dark and desolate back roads about Beach. He texted her shout at her name, but she was too frantic while Shannon was running from pack. She knocked on to neighbors doors one of which was a woman named Barbara Brennan she and her husband were up early preparing for a trip. When they answer the door and so the Panic state that shouting was in they said they would call 9-1-1 this upset Shannon even more and she ran away Shannon been banged on the door of Gus Coletti another Oak Beach resident. He opened the door saw how frantic she was and he said stay there and that he was going to call 9-1-1 again. She freaked out now even more because she also did not want him to call 9-1-1, we're not so sure why this would have been her reaction as she clearly wanted help and she felt in danger and she She even called 9-1-1 herself earlier, right? So she ran again, she then saw pack driving down the road towards her shouting her name and she proceeded to hide behind Gus. Coletti's parked boat packs. Saw her darting across the dark one's of Oak Beach, but quickly lost sight of her because again this area is so poorly lit and dense Shrubbery ultimately pack felt he tried his best. He did his due diligence and he headed back to New York City leaving Shannon to get back on her own and just a side note Mayo long. Island particularly right near the water at night is very cold. Like we cannot emphasize this enough Shannon would have been freezing outside. Right? Especially if she didn't have on much outerwear because we assume she wasn't planning to spend much time outside. So right there someone who is alone and unfamiliar with the area and they're cold. It's just it's really not a good situation to be in I've lived on Long Island my entire life and I would be very scared to be out there alone at four o'clock in the morning Alex Shannon's boyfriend. Waited around for her the next day and when she didn't come home he was worried, but he figured well, she'll be home the next day. But then when Shannon didn't show up the following day Alex panicked and he called pack asking where Shannon was pack was shocked. He said he just assumed that Shannon was home with Alex. He explained what happened that night in Oak Beech. And that's when the two of them got worried. They called hospitals police stations, but to no avail finally Alex asked pack to give him the information of the last John she was with which was Joe Brewer. And he was very confused to hear from Alex. Yeah, he was actually a pretty light-hearted about it saying things like oh, she's your girlfriend is your job to new shoes. Ultimately Alex went with Brewer and packed to the Suffolk County Police Station to file a missing persons report. They essentially laughed and Alex's face, right? They were like, she's 24 and from Jersey City go filed a report there. It's them's not a problem, right? So they went to file a report in Jersey City, but she went missing in Suffolk County Sand Jersey never And the missing persons report over to them. So no one in Suffolk County New to look for Shannon Shannon sisters and mother went to Oak Beach and number of times with Alex to knock on doors pass out flyers and ask the community if they had seen anything yet. Her family was on top of the Suffolk County Police, but it just didn't seem like it was that important at the time. There was also no press about a missing girl for a few reasons. There was no official missing persons report in Suffolk County because Jersey City never sent it over. And also the 23-minute 9-1-1 call that Shannon made was never even linked to the missing person which we find so bizarre because in our experience if a young attractive girl were to go missing from Suffolk or NASA or really anywhere. It would be plastered all over the news. It's just seems like the situation was actively being avoided no one heard anything about Shannon until August which is a full three months later the same officer who came the morning after the neighbors called 9-1-1 came back to Gus. Colletti took question him about what he knew were what he saw which struck us quality is odd because Shannon went missing in May and it was now August and when Gus asked why the case was swept under the rug, they allegedly said that Jersey dropped the ball and they're the ones that never sent them the missing persons report. So it was on them. I feel like this is a good time to just step back a little bit. So when Shannon was at Brewers house when pack was coming in and all the craziness was going on. She was actually on the phone with 9-1-1. This was a 23-minute. Did phone call that has never been released to the public, but we'll get back to that in a later episode because it's literally ongoing as we speak and it's totally bananas. Right? So this phone call was bounce back and forth between different jurisdictions to remind you guys. There is Jones Beach which is down the road from Oak Beach. But Jones Beach is technically a state park. So New York State Police is responsible for Jones Beach. That's their jurisdiction and Suffolk County Police is the jurisdiction for Oak Beach and apparently they just don't communicate at all because No one could figure out what the hell is going on that night, right? The dispatcher asked Shannon for her location and Shannon, of course that she was unfamiliar with the area. But that she knew she was near Jones Beach and that's when the dispatcher transferred her when she got transferred to New York State Police. They claim that they couldn't figure out where Shannon was the call got lost and because Shannon never called back the dispatcher Let It Go and figured it just resolved itself. I'm hoping that the technology has improved since then because it seems like they should be able to The phone or triangulate a cell phone call in over 23 minutes, right? They couldn't have asked some questions to narrow down where she was. I mean 23 minutes is a long time side note when those two other people called they couldn't connect that to the earlier 23 minute phone call. They received in such a close proximity and I don't I don't really know. But how many calls are they getting from Oak beach in one night. I mean the communities small right screaming girl calls for 23 minutes and then two other phone calls come in about a screaming girl. Earl how could they not connect the two and then things just sort of dissipated and Shannon became a run-of-the-mill missing person the Suffolk County Police actually found a jacket when they went back in August and they confirmed it with Shannon's but um, they lost the jacket and then on top of that when one police officer responded the day after Shannon went missing Gus colletti, literally offered security camera tapes to the police and they declined to take them when the police finally came back eight months later when the case had picked up some traction. And they asked for the tapes and of course they were no longer available because the community security tapes were reused every month and we are by no means bashing the Suffolk County police department or police in general. We have a great deal of respect for police officers. We're just simply pointing out a few things that seemed odd about how the case was handled and it could be for reasons that we don't know. It could be because of genuine mishaps or it could be something bigger and we're going to explore that more in future episodes and nothing nothing the Suffolk County Police Department is the 12th largest in the country. That's a pretty serious ranking. Yeah, and they definitely have resources. It just seems odd how they went about this, especially at the beginning. Yeah, and one of the resources is a 22 dog K9 unit, right? So by August things with the missing persons report had been straightened out and Mary and her sisters were on Suffolk County Police Department and Suffolk Police gave in and they came back to Oak Beach to start looking for any sign of Shannon during their search the police brought in a K-9 unit to assist. so with the K-9 unit each dog has a specialty like drugs or explosives or in this case cadavers and the cadaver dogs had searched for a while, but it was August and the brush was stick the Hammers in the dogs were getting Poison Ivy and so they decided it was best to suspend the search and come back in the winter months when it was easier for the dogs to pick up sense and to sift through the Bramble one man officer John Malia was training a dog named Blue and figured that this girl Shannon is still missing and that he could use Use this as an opportunity to train blue, he took blue to the southern edge of Ocean Parkway and out about 245 on December 11th, 2010 along the parkway near Gilgo Beach blue started wagging his tail and when Malia looked over to see what was there it was burlap and in the burlap was a skeleton over the next couple of weeks three more bodies wrapped in burlap Masada glue placed in a row alongside Ocean Parkway would be discovered. 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The curious case of missing person, Shannan Gilbert and the four bodies that came with it. SOURCES/CITATIONS: Lost Girls: An Unsolved American Mystery by Robert Kolker For facts and information on the case All direct quotes and paraphrased quotes are taken from this book (with the exception of the newspaper headlines in intro) Newsday headlines used in introduction were adapted and combined. Adaptations are cited below (all phrasing was taken from Newsday and is NOT original content, we simply combined and shortened headlines) “Dead Body is Found Along Ocean Parkway”  “...Four Bodies [dumped] at [Gilgo] Beach” “DA [suspects] Serial Killings…”  “Now it’s 8: LI Murder Mystery Deepens as 3 more bodies found” “Cops: [say] Remains not Shannan Gilbert’s”  “Cops find 2 more victims in LI Beach Probe: [bringing the] total [dead] to 10” “Families Fear LI Serial Killer Won’t Be Caught”  “Grisly details emerge in Gilgo/Jones beach case…” Did Gilgo Victims Let Their Guards Down?”  “Remains Found, Likely Shannan Gilbert” All Newsday publications from which the quoted headlines were used are cited below in order as they appeared in the episode: Newsday, 12/11/10  Newsday 12/14/10 Newsday, 12/14/10  Newsday 1/24/11 Newsday, 4/4/11 Newsday, 4/5/11 Newsday, 4/11/11  Newsday, 12/10/11 Newsday, 4/12/11  Newsday 6/11/11 CBS 48 Hours, Episode: The Long Island Serial Killer, Season #24, Air date July 12, 2011 for information on the case and those involved  https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-long-island-serial-killer-5/ “The Killing Season” on A & E, Director Joshua Zeman and Rachel Mills --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

It's a minimalist Monday edition of optimal living daily episode 11:37 how the aspiring minimalist can modify the cone Mari method by Jen Smith of modern frugality.com. And I'm just a moloch. Happy Monday. I happy Martin Luther King jr. Day a holiday here in the states and welcome back to Optimal living daily or the oold podcast where I read to you from some of the best blogs. I can find and get permission from Mostly covering personal development and minimalism on this show today covering minimalism. And the trendy topic of the month cone Mari, which is the method that Marie kondo teaches for tidying up. She has a special on Netflix where she helps families tidy up their houses. It's an interesting watch. She's huge in Japan speaking of ohayo-gozaimasu. Konnichiwa. Konbanwa to all the listeners in Japan. I've learned a few Japanese phrases as you can see or hear I should say I can't really speak it yet or understand it. Really let's go see what body mass. Anyway today features a brand new author for the I'll tell you more about Jen after the post is so for now. Let's get right to it and start optimizing your life. how the aspiring minimalist can modify the cone Mari method by Jen Smith of modern frugality.com Have you been sitting in your house? Wondering where all this stuff came from? If you're like me it didn't come all at once it crept up slowly over years a new apartment brought new furniture new marriage brought knickknacks and kitchen gadgets and new jobs and events brought logo tee is I swore I was only going to wear around the house. Did you know that the average home size in America has increased by over a thousand square feet since 1973 and the average family size has decreased. You have so much more room for activities yet. We still feel trapped in homes that seemed to shrink every time we come back from Target. If you feel this way, then you're probably ready to embrace a more minimalist lifestyle. There are many rows to minimalism and the first step is figuring out which way is right for you. I personally like the cone Mari method by Marie kondo with a few modifications made along the way. She's not a minimalist per se but that's kind of why I like her. What is the calamari method? I was introduced to the calamari method to decluttering when I read Murray's book The life-changing magic of tidying up. I thought I was pretty minimalist already and blamed most of the clutter in the house on my quasi order husband, but even for someone who doesn't love to shop or accumulate Marie showed me there were still items in my closets and drawers. I was personally holding onto for the wrong reasons. She recommends a category by category declutter versus room by room you Start with the first item group on the list take all of that particular item out from every room in the house. Put it all in a pile then decide what stays and goes there are rules to follow that will help speed up the process and keep it going her method is definitely a rip the Band-Aid off kind of approach other great minimalist offer insight to doing things slowly and easily, but Marie kondo says you should drag the process out any longer than you have to I'm an all-or-nothing person. So this sounded great to me, but mom also really busy. Busy, so I took the essence of the cone Mari method and modified it for my needs. If you're a visual person. I made a free printable schedule called weekend kohn-ma retighten guide because everything is more fun as a printable challenge, right? She recommends doing everything in a weekend, but I was happy to see in her new Netflix series that she allowed people six weeks to complete the process. It's much more reasonable and I hope it'll get more people on board with our program. How do I make the calamari method work for me? While in the fibers of each episodes narrative, but not clearly stated in her Netflix series are her rules for tithing Murray's first rule to decluttering, which he calls tithing is to commit yourself. This is aided by the second rule to imagine you were ideal life is basically visualizing your wife or wanting a more minimalist life that can be less time cleaning more calming place to come home to or for the ability to downsize your home or third rule is to finish discarding. First if you love organizing and planning raising my hand right now, then it can be tempting to organize between every group guilty. But because I wasn't able to do everything in a weekend and it didn't want to live in a tornado all week. I opted to organize between groups. I don't know if Marie would approve but it worked best for me. Next is to tidy by category not location and to follow the right order she breaks up the home into five categories of items clothing books papers. Miscellaneous and mementos. The point is to find the hidden things where they shouldn't be and to keep similar items close together. So they're easier to find I love this concept because it starts with the end in mind. If I keep all my papers in one place in one room. They'll never have to search the entire house again looking for one bill or receipt. I try to follow this rule, but it's hard to remember all the places. I kept things. I felt it was more important to get the job done then scour every inch of my house to make sure I got everything on the checklist. Done is better than perfect. The order is important because it starts with the easiest and ends with the hardest Murray says if you try to start with mementos, you'll never get past them. And the last rule to Aid in your Tiding up is to ask yourself. If the item Sparks Joy. This is kind of what she's famous for right? It's also my least favorite part of the cone Mari method Maria talks to her items and equates them to the source of joy in the room. That's where the minimalist and Marie's paths diverge. Service for my decluttering isn't for the sake of having a decluttered in. Joyful home. It's a byproduct of wanting a simpler more fulfilling home in life. I have to admit it sounds a lot weirder in the book than it does watching it on TV, but the principal for me Remains the Same I want to only keep things I like and use frequently, but I don't want to trick myself into thinking that they are the sources of my homes Joy, but I did find one other phrase. She used to be really valuable when getting rid of something difficult Murray. Thanks the A item for whatever it brought in the moment or season it came into the house. She is example of a skirt that's barely worn and fits fine, but never gets worn. She bought it because she thought she wanted to dress a certain way. But over the years couldn't bring herself to like it as much as she wanted to she thanked the skirt for teaching her more about her true style and acknowledge these sunk cost as the price you had to pay to learn that lesson Murray's was a skirt. Mine was a dress a beautiful sequin party dress that I idolized by Only once and couldn't bear to part with it's a person I wanted to be but just wasn't I think that dress and my head and let it go ready to get started with a calamari method. I highly recommend the book and the Netflix series to learn more about the logistics of our decluttering method and take comfort in the knowing that you can declutter using the cone Mari method to no matter how much time or space you have available. This method is best for people who are ready to rip the Band-Aid off so to speak. Okay, but can really be modified for anyone who sees value in it. You just listen to The Post titled how the aspiring minimalist can modify the cone Mari method by Jen Smith of modern frugality.com. Tell you more about Jen in a sec along with a giveaway. She has for this post but first speaking of sparking Joy. Thank you to Joy bird. This is a rare case where Furniture actually does spark. Joy for me. I found out about this company a while ago before they were going to be a sponsor Joy bird believes. They should never settle when it comes to your home furnishings and that you should always have the Them to be boldly original which oily bird you get one-of-a-kind furniture made to your unique taste and they have a 365 day home trial. No joke. Skip the furniture store and bring the showroom right to your home. It's hassle free delivery. They'll even remove all the packing materials. Then you can sit on it sleep on it break it in. If you don't love your joy bird return it for a full refund check it out. They have hundreds of styles and options every color imaginable with free personal design. It's and I love that they have kid and pet friendly upholstery options. My couch is wrecked. Thanks to the dog. So I'm getting a pet. Friendly Joy bird see how Joy bird is revolutionizing online furniture shopping create the furniture that brings you Joy today at Joy bird.com old go to Joy bird.com oil D and receive an exclusive offer for 25% off your first order by using the code o LD. I'm pretty sure Marie kondo would approve since it really does spark Joy, hopefully. His post shed some light on the calamari crazed if you're not already familiar with it. Any other Jen has a cool freak on Mari weekend challenge guy that accompanies this post you can find it linked in. This episode's description along with Marie condos book Jen and her husband paid off 78 thousand dollars of debt and only 23 months. So she writes about how to pay off debt efficiently and how to stay motivated on the journey come by modern frugality.com to learn more and thank you Jenn for the permission to narrator articles. And I'll leave it at that. Hope your week is off to a great start. Thank you for being here and listening to me and for subscribing to the show. It really means a lot. I'll be back tomorrow. That's hasta Japanese. I know that weird to wear your optimal life awaits.

Jen Smith of Modern Frugality shares how the aspiring minimalist can modify the KonMari method. Episode 1137: How The Aspiring Minimalist Can Modify The KonMari Method by Jen Smith of Modern Frugality on Marie Kondo Jen Smith is a twenty-something on budget with an uber-frugal husband. Travis and her got married on October 3rd, 2015 with almost $78,000 of debt between them. With lots of frugality and side hustles, they paid it off in 23 months and have been debt free since August 31st, 2017. Growing up no one taught Jen about personal finance. There was never any talk about retirement, investing, or life insurance. When she went to college she had no clue how to pay for it so she took out loans a credit card to get by. Jen's goal is to prove to all the haters that living frugally isn't boing or just for privileged people. She wants to encourage you and help you along your journey in paying off debt and ditching the clutter that holds you back. The original post is located here: https://www.modernfrugality.com/modify-the-konmari-method/ Marie Kondo's book: https://amzn.to/2stYN8O Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts! See how Joybird is revolutionizing online furniture shopping. Go to joybird.com/OLD and receive an exclusive offer for 25% off your first order by using the code OLD.

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I don't know what to do with myself, but I'm Linda and Tulio your Cohoes and to my left the spectacular English begin. Yes, Kitty Kaboom. Hello everyone. So glad to be back in this was crazy wasn't it was so rude. Absolutely. You can't wait to dig in me too. We have Some juicy news and gossip. Yeah, obviously we're going to do our quote of this show because there were so many good quotes this time so I could incur get get into a little bit of a harlot history. Yeah, and we'll do our however the week and maybe some predictions sounds good. So guys, let's just jump right in let's get into it. What were your overall thoughts of this episode? We'll look without spoilers with a spoilers. Okay? Well, I'll just give the audience a little sneak peek into our personal lives and I walk through the door. She was like, have you seen it? Have you seen it so she was Clearly like her energy was so I couldn't wait to watch that's just say that was shook. It was just a kitty. I'm sure I know right but of course you couldn't tell me what happens was just like just hurry up and watch it so we can talk about it had to hop onto another show because I was like, I cannot contain myself you guys I cannot it was not it was completely I did not see any of that coming. I have no idea how they're going to continue with this big bombshell being dropped. But I mean, I'm up to see what happens. Just want to say for the record. Ooh, yeah that I'm invested. So y'all better do better you better do something about it because I am so upset. I really like, how are they gonna make this right? They got a lot of splaining to do Lucy lot of explaining. Yeah. Yeah, so we open up the show with Lydia really quickly and she's standing there like a psychopath and that's the worst sound hose and she is seen by Nancy and Fanny and I just love that interaction. I love that right now. Is like a take-charge like I'm not messing around. I'm going to go and confront her like what is she doing here? But that's what they always do and that's what I love love love about them. Say what you will about what they do for a living and how they treat other people but how they treat each other at the end of the day, you know what it reminds me of and I could be wrong and I'm sorry if I'm stereotyping but it's black folks so I can stereotype us in our exact existence or it has been my experience in our families. We're cousins right we go out we get into it. Somebody you're dead wrong you'll have No business popping off to this person. They don't smack you in for I'm jumping in I'm whipping asses I'm taking names later and when we get home, we're gonna have a discussion because you was wrong, but I would never not have your back and that is a resounding. Yes when it comes to these ladies and I love to see that like no matter what the circumstance no matter who came were wrong with who said what to who check this out. That's my sister. I'm knocking bucks. Yeah, we talked about it a lot last week. I think that when push comes to shove, yeah, they band together and I think that that's important. It's Paramount how they survive right Captain else. That's the back absolutely and then we fast forward we jump into Charlotte and Isaac having a trip in the park against the tree. I tell ya are these two falling in love? Right? What is going on hate relationship? And as we see gets revealed she really does start to have feelings about him like she tells Lucy like yeah. I'm hooking up with this guy and I like it. It right like I can't wait to see him. I literally can't keep my hands off him and I love her response again being the family that she is not like admonishing her big sister for hanging out with this freaking idiot that tried to burn our house down. She's more like girl. That's one is get it get it pull up. I love it. Out and she sees she doesn't see them together. Right but she's far from stupid right chinos and it's interesting with Emily because she's not a lot of growth as well. She knows what to later chips down and went to show her mouth which before we know in previous Seasons. She was just blood blood blood blood. Yeah, just put it all up there. Definitely now, it's almost like she's playing a game of poker. I see that or chest and she's picking her choices more strategically, but I mean she still Emily. Yeah, so still have to look out. for a month because she gets really emotional when she does she doesn't really think very much just kind of hope so it's like I'm gonna find not going to stand for it and we saw that she almost did that exactly my point well, but but cooler heads to Prevail with her often times where she tried to but we'll get to that soon but there was a part where she thought two steps ahead of her even her boyfriend and I wish that that would have been successful but we'll get to that and then we see William so he's prepping for a fight is the fight right gonna kind of be like the fight of the city, right and Mayweather thank God. Hey, so you had and Lady Isabella is hosting it as a party which I thought was actually saw them teaming up together with Charlotte. And then we also see Luther Lucy and Elizabeth. Yeah, but they all come in and and Lucy introduces and Elizabeth as her business partner and Elizabeth says, oh and your friend and I was like, you know, what see Bessie y'all I don't trust her. That's it for 1 minute. But yeah, I see how she threw that in there and I just want to know what your thoughts on that because when they Walk down those stairs together and she kissed the back of her hand. I said before they get to the bottom step. She's gonna let her hand go right like they're going to walk in here. Like we're homies. We got appreciation and love for each other, but they're not about to be boot up. Right? So you're talking about Charlotte and Isabella Isabella. Yeah. I was a little confused now, so I was first talking about how Elizabeth was being introduced to the family. The partner right? And I know partner you thought no I was yeah, that's what I thought was a business partner. So I don't trust Elizabeth yet, but I thought it was interesting that she's being brought into this mix into the fold and then how she immediately took a liking to William Hung and offered her Services. Yes, that was kind of her wasn't it? How generous right how generous of you you met me for 5 seconds and you have gifts. Well, I mean, this is what she does for a Um darling, let's put is it that kinda is like she Hoards herself out to the highest bidders. No question about she doesn't like settle. You know what I mean? Most boards do it appears. That's what we're seeing now, right? Like if you're a bored the assumption is that you don't get down with the crowd but if guys are coming in talking big money, you know, even Lydia was quick to get on her back when the money was right. I mean at the end of the day, it's about the exact it's always about the money. Yeah, so I did think that was interesting. Yes that she's now kind of sorta in the fold bringing her. Along with her and I definitely don't trust it. There's nothing to trust. She just she's only shown herself to be quite the shark and she just got here. Yeah, but I think also too she's playing chess moves as well. She's strategically setting herself up because even and I get I still don't know this old lady, but the old lady that owns a third of her brothel right when she goes to see her and she's like, where's my third? She's like, well, I don't have it yet because I'm still decorating golden Square all of that. That was a power move is oh, yeah doll. Lee that was a power move as well. So I think she's planning something. We just don't know I'm getting the impression that she's plotted quite I mean look how she came over here right? Very entitled very okay. I'm black. What's your point? Like I got my Asian son and we do the damn thing and we killed it where we were now we're here and we're about to take over your town. Yeah, I think it's more than that though. I think that it's almost diabolical. I'm not sure what exactly it is. Okay, there's something going on with her. So then You see that whole thing being set up. Yeah, and then the backdrop of that is Isaac and how and Emily and how Isaac has no respect for Emily whatsoever whatsoever. And she's the one that is the go-between exactly and set up this deal for them and they finally realize it's a good deal. But he wants to shut her out. What did you think of all of that? Well, I mean, it just goes to speak to what we know as women to be the case in any scenario. Right? Like we literally do all the legwork we do the Research we ask the questions. We put ourselves in positions where it might be very uncomfortable or even detrimental because we need this information in order for us to move forward. And what do we get for took for? Thanks sit your ass down. You are a woman. You don't need to go with us. You don't have anything to contribute to this. You don't know what you're talking about. I mean, it's just a dismissal that I'm sure you and I have seen many times in other kind of scenarios, but they didn't really miss their words back then so he wasn't very polite in his request, but I really didn't like the fact They are Bay. Let all that go down. Like why wouldn't he snatch her up and be like hello. It's because of her that we have this me ever. He never stuck up for a didn't stick up for Laughs. Huh last episode either right realized later on in this in this episode that he actually needed her and we'll get to that as well. Yeah, I don't care for him. Let's talk about Lydia and Catherine before she's AKA Cake. So Catherine is basically down which I told you as a prediction. She's like she loves getting down. So she was all like I'm ready to earn. Yes. You were right. Let's do this. All right and Lydia was like, okay we're doing this but we're going to do it the right way where yeah bring in the coin so she becomes Venus Yeah. Well, yeah kind of takes her around town. What did you think of all of that? And what did you think when she is in the middle of like her speech or whatever that poetry? Thank you. And then that Lord the evil guy. Yeah, like well, that's actually the quote that I chose. I thought it was super interesting that he only made one appearance in one scene. But he's so chilling like his who he is as a human being deep deep down. It's so dirty and diabolical as you said to took to borrow your word. He's just such a great makes my skin crawl. So to see him be there just as Lydia's face. I mean, that would have been my face times ten teachers. It's Gusting Marcus of block that is named Marcus. Laughs Marcus Marcus. Yeah, because she always referred to him. Well, she says my brother but either way, yeah, he's gross its disgusting and I thought that it was I did think it was interesting that Lydia would do just as her former Lady of the night pointed out like you're just taking your girl around and you know kind of showing her off like she's a prize horse even for you. That's a little you know, because Lydia's always been like the highest upper echelon, I forgot So you got to remember this is how Lydia started she started by creating these girls around and she has to go back to bed bomb threat. She had to go back to Faribault and Catherine Kate is like her new Charlotte, right? They started from scratch and built this up. Yeah now speaking of Why Did I forget his name again Marquez? We also have to remember. How evil is. Yeah, he's the leader of that secret. I know so now he's back. He we know that he sent a warning to Lady Isabella. That's right in the form of hey, you know what? I know that you're a lesbian, right? And I'm gonna do something about it. Right? And so we have to be very wary moving forward because evil is back. So we thought like if you if you put it in a speck of spectrum of thing we have eyes the pincher. That are I was like, oh he's evil. Hey is evil but but he ain't got nothing on this guy on Marcus. Yeah, Marcus is the he's pretty disgusting. Yeah. I mean, he literally decided him on screen makes me cringe. Yeah. Yeah because we know what he's capable of and we know now that he's gonna have his sights on Kate. Mmm amongst others amongst other because he might take that young ingenue and try to flip her into one of the women that he's abused in the past. You know what I mean? Just as like a double whammy I'll take her for myself and do with her what I will whatever I want to do. We're talking about Katherine. I have to write I can't skate And then I'll tell you know, and obviously I'll pay whatever is necessary and it'll be a get back on a major Fu to Lydia because I'm she's going to disappear and this is appears to be her only girl her only source of income and he's already stolen a girlfriend exactly a double. Whammy I'm sure you know, that's what definitely motivate him. Let's talk about. So let's talk about Jones young. So uh-huh Jones comes into town and he's an American. Yes, and he's the one that Emily has set up this business proposition through her her guy irregular and they show up. They're like, we see a great opportunity to make money. We want to buy land in America and he's like slow down. I've been here for five seconds. Hands, let me like get my bearings right but they keep on talking keep on talking and then you guys who walks in I was like, yeah, I love it. I knew we can go too deep into the season without you two. I knew she was gonna show back up. There's no way they just sent her off to the abyss. Yeah, but we didn't know how she was gonna Yeah, so she's back. She's married in America wealth wealthy, right irish-american. Hmm and she looks great she does and I thought wow. Okay. What a comeback what were you not to come back? Nice way to do it. What were you what were your thoughts on that? Well, obviously, I was surprised I mean it got you know, I knew that she would be back at some point. I just didn't think it would be this soon. I thought it might be like next season even So it was good to see her and I like how demure she was and I love that. She was able to turn it on and off. You know, she sat across the table from these two men. Obviously her husband has her ear and vice versa. And so he's like, I don't make moves without my wife giving me the cosine. So I thought that that was pretty dope that she's just sitting there, you know, darning away while pretty much obviously she's holding the purse strings in the family or at least she's big on, you know, it's a big deal as to what her thoughts are. So the sit across from these men that she has no idea might do her hair. Arm but I love love love that. She's so in the mix. Like she's already done this. She's already lived that kind of life that when they said that they were Tavern owners. She said all manners of Tavern right? Like let's be clear. Yeah. I know what y'all do. Okay, so don't come in here trying to talk to Mike. Okay. My husband might be a little green but boo you'll never get me. Okay, if I've already lived that life sometimes over. Yes. You're basically the same right? So how much money are y'all getting for real is what we need to know because that sizing them up, right? This is not even like I'm not even judging you for For going into business in that particular business, I'm simply saying as a business owner or a business partner, we can't do business unless you have real coin. So if you have women that work in your Tavern, then you might have some something, uh, something substantial to contribute, right? Absolutely. So the deal is supposed to go through but he doesn't want like he said doesn't want to make any sudden moves right his wife. So the pictures go back. This is where we realize that Hal says. Oh, I'm going to need Emily to come back and kind of smooth the wife right Emily not knowing that it's Margaret, of course, and so they come back. And this is where Emily is like, okay. She's either going to blow this up because she can't keep her emotions in check or she's going to be smart. Like she's been smart so far this season. Yeah and not say anything and she chose the proper route. She was shocked of course, of course, but then when Margaret took her out and said Hey, listen, basically you stay in your lane. I'll stay in my Lane. You keep your mouth shut and I won't put you on blast. Did you anticipate that did you think that that's how she was gonna I wasn't sure I thought she was going to blow up the spot. I was like she can go either way because she kept going extra dramatic. She be hot enough everything. She's so conspicuous an unnecessary, but then I thought about she can't blow it up quite yet because it's just the return exactly so and she needs that coinage that will that will mean that she might not blow it up later. But for now for now she knows how to play her position. Yeah. She kept that was cute. She kept her cool. Yes. Yes, and then moving on so let's talk about the relationship with Charlotte and Isabella. So we see them they've basically gotten busy and they're in the Afterglow and they're talking just about them and the brother and and all the things that are happening. What did you think of that how they were growing closer of the brother and the said to him? What did you think of the relationship how they're growing closer? So they talked about how Her brother Isabella's brother is back in town, right and how she sharing this almost intimate moment with her lover Charlotte, right? What do I think about them getting closer? I mean, I think it's kind of beautiful honestly because they both live in such broken world and they are besieged with negativity and craziness and men trying to basically keep their foot on their necks at all times, especially her brother like he's the epitome of disgusting. So for her to find reprieve, you know and find a little levity from her daughter leaving her. I know that hurt really badly. She would she wasn't able to have her for all those years and she gets her back and she runs away again. It's like well damn, you know, so for her to find love and whatever form it is. I think it's beautiful and I like that it is Charlotte because Charlotte's smart enough that she's been around the block and she knows kind of how to maneuver things. But but also Savvy enough to know how to talk to her and communicate and relate to her in such a way that makes her feel I guess they both are a little vulnerable at this point. It's sexy to watch. Yeah, I agree with you and I also think that Charlotte respects her and I say that because at the it at the party when Isaac wanted to pull her away, she's like no, I can't hear right and I showed me that she really does care about Isabella exact they have their own special bond. So I thought that was really great as did I and speaking of great. Why don't you tell our viewers and listeners a little bit more about our great Network? Sure. Sure. Will thank you guys so much for showing up today. We really sincerely appreciate you. Oh, I just noticed that my mole. Yeah, this is for the Harlot stalling. Anyway, we do appreciate you you have literally made us the ESPN of TV talk. It is greatly appreciated. We're here every week trying to make sure that you're entertained and we love that you're in our chats. We all know. The only thing we ask is that you keep coming back you give us five stars, please thumbs up. Please comment at all costs and yeah being gay Hook us up top to us because we always want to talk to you. Thank you so much. Absolutely. So then let's talk about freedom. Sofrito is falling in love with his trick gorge on his John. Mr. Croft and I love that choice of words, but I love how you got it wasn't sure like shit I asserted or yeah, it's his trick. I love it. Mr. Croft who obviously were starting to find out is someone major and Powerful. Yeah. He's a big deal in their City. What do you think of him falling in love? And What do you think of Charlotte Charlotte Lucy coming to the rescue at the party? Because he's all puppy dog item. Right? Well, it kind of surprised me that he would fall so quickly for anyone because this isn't his first time at the rodeo just kind of what he does and it appears we could be wrong but it seems like his mama and groomed him to be in this world. So it I just get the impression that he would be more Savvy about how to navigate and not like how to take himself out of that and compartmentalize his feelings, but obviously not I mean, I think this guy He's probably like exposing him to things that he had not before and that's always a sign of you know, you just going to find your mate more intro. Well, that's not to me but the other person more interesting if they bring something to the table, I was fascinated by it. I was like really your you did not come across as if you got some sake feeling so quickly. Yeah, what's happening right now and I think the fact that this guy has shown up and brought a different. He shifted his Paradigm. You know what I mean? He brought a different perspective every other guy that's coming. There is like wham bam thank you ma'am. This is why I'm here whereas this Actually has conversation for him. They talk about things other than just sex and superficial stuff and for them. I think it was really about him saying that you know, you don't have to serve me or my equal. Yeah. Well that too. I'm sure being seen as not only equal but being free to be open because obviously we heard from the first episode that they could get killed if they get caught ya easy and so him feeling Free hmm in that moment like free to be who he is. That's nice. I get it. I get it. Now. I see why you're like thinking you're in love. I right you need to be put your wits on because y'all could get killed at any second and I love that Lucy came in and saved the day because that's what she does again her mother taught her very, well. It took her a minute to get there. But Lucy is full flavor fledged badass at this point. And so she knows how to swoop in and take care of the moment. Yeah to save everybody's ass. Yeah, absolutely. So then what did you think? Of Nancy basically warming Charlotte. Mmm about Lydia. Don't trust her right just don't trust her because we're now all at the fight and we're on the party and everyone showing up. Right right, right. So what did you think of Nancy doing that still? You said to Charlotte? Yes, you warned Charlotte not 200 of weight of who because I know of Lydia. Well, when did she do that? Because why would she need? Need to she knows who Lydia is because she when Lydia when Lydia first showed up. Yeah in the very opening sequence and then Charlotte's like later on in the show was like, oh don't worry. I just ignore her and then Nancy said no you need to she's a snake right and the snake is a snake is a snake is a snake and you need to extract harder when they're when they're fly to be wary of her. Okay. So my bad, I was thinking that you were talking about when Charlotte warned the other the young lady. Olivia Kate and was just like she's vicious be wary remember when she said that little that's why I thought you were referring to so my bad. I thought that it was accurate and she's absolutely right. I mean Lydia, isn't it? Well, we'll get to that but there was a part in the show where she could have shown herself to be a human being and felt something from a horrible thing that happened and instead her. I mean maybe for a hot second she paused but at the end of the day she is Lydia to her core and it's all about making money. It's all about being on top. It's all about running things and manipulating situations and people so I wasn't the least bit surprised. Yeah again, it's just shows me how the women stick together and really whoever the antagonist is doesn't matter because they're going to ban together and look up for each other. Let's talk about Jack Lively before his fight. He is kind of like the doorman. Yeah. Yeah Harriet's place then a Suitor comes and he sends a The Suitor It was a major souter and Harriet freaked out and said, you know don't mess with my money. I've no that's not money pays for my kids school. It pays for this roof over our head. It pays these women so cut it out exactly check yourself and for your rectus and he was basically in his feelings because he has feelings for her, of course because heshes the board or the board. Yeah. She's the bar that she shouldn't have to really take on scooters and I think that was his assumption. Going in, you know what? I mean? Like what I even allow myself to fall for this woman knowing what she does. Oh, okay. She does that but she doesn't do that. So I think that kinda is what has set his mind at ease and allowed him to let his vulnerability get involved and I love the fact that one of her girls like set him straight immediately like check this out. Don't come here start no mess. We are running just fine. And in order for her to live. This is what she has to do, like don't mess with her money exactly the period don't mess with the money as right, so Fast forward we have this party and the fight between John Killin and Jack Lively and we see Elizabeth all up in the mix again flirting with William. Meanwhile, she has the guy that is in love with her and wants to marry her on his side and he gets all jealous. What do you think of Elizabeth really kind of targeting William? What did you think of that? Well, I mean, I don't want to say it's because they're both black but I mean it ain't but so many of us there so that might have something to do with it like a kinship almost almost like, oh he can relate or he's relatable or he's my kind of got keys for my tribe or I don't know. I think she has something up her sleeve. I don't think it's an innocent flirting. I don't think that she's just genuinely interested in Bedding him. I think it has something I don't know what she knows about him. But I get the impression that she doesn't do anything without some type of motivating factor. Yeah, I think is a power move. I think that she knows that that's Lucy and Charlotte's Dad. She wants to get in with him because If she can get in with them, whatever she's planning with Lucy she can have an upper hand on that. That's a good chance. I had not thought of that. I think it's that much. That's our motivation make sense. I think that's her motivation. And then we also see how she was really easy quickly to reel it back in because her guy got jealous. She's like no, there's too many people here. I rather be alone with you right because that's the money right totally unbelievable without her delivery was so corny. I was like you go on for this bro you really Leave that after she just lost it after homeboy. She just turned her attention immediately soon as you showed a little myth you was right. She was right there like nah my Babu it's all good. You know, I don't want to be with nobody but you is crowded in here. Let's just sneak off somewhere and he was like, all right, then come on. Let's make it but you mentioned it in the first episode of the third season where she's making up all these excuses why she didn't go on the boat with him. It's the same Theory sheet. She has she does not care and she or tell him anything and it's like, oh well, believe me and I kept I do write her delivery sucks but it still gets what she wants so clearly these guys are smitten or some and so this party is a big deal Lydia shows up unannounced because she finds out about the party. Right and she shows up with Kate who is now her quote unquote daughter. They bonded over this Venus and now she wants to take on it quickly named their she's not ridiculous Quigley and Lydia says this is my daughter and Charlotte Isabella's faces like You know be pleased that's that's looked at. They were giving her exactly, you know, what exactly you're crazy. You're crazy it but it all makes sense. Yes. So we see that we also see Isabella and Charlotte like you said coming down the stairs. Yes hand-in-hand and really looking like they were a couple exactly you guys coming out or be funneled. That is exactly what I was thinking. I was literally holding my breath like wait, are they about to walk in together or boot? What is happening right now? That would not be acceptable. But it almost you could take it either way. So it was almost like she was presenting because she is Royal right? Right, right presenting the royalty so I think that's how people interpreted it. Well, let's hope so because Shoni no problems. So we see that Nancy goes to visit Margaret and the scenes and they have their own special bond and are catching up over the last year what's been going on? Right and then Margaret really wants to know what happened at the house. Like how did that how Skipper down? I know that you didn't tip over the stupid candle. So tell me so Nancy finally tells her and she can't let it go and we knew she wouldn't be able to let it go because you get rid Tate's me who Margaret why can't you let it go you haven't been here. This is not your business. I get it. It's your daughter's I do but if Nancy didn't want to tell you to begin with and then finally gave it to you because she loves you and she's your friend respect that Gap. But in just let it be she always got to put her two cents in. Yeah, but it's her brothel and it's her children. No, she lives in America. She's somebody's wife. That's not her breath on anymore. Okay, so it was a brothel. Yeah. She's the mama bear. So she is going to be protective of those children and even though they're adults. They're still her children. So she decides to go to this party which was big risk to herself. She could be killed to warn her husband. Not to sell to the Pinchers because that's who she found out set the fire which set a sequence of events in place. Unfortunately, so she shows up at the party. She warms the husband, but meanwhile, all eyes are on Charlotte and why Charlotte is talking to the American Hal says, oh, you know what, it's you that is what could a wreck this deal go get your woman. So Isaac goes to talk to her. They're so in love that they gonna go upstairs and Get it on and then meanwhile John comes back. Jones scuse me Jones comes back Jones Young comes back and says deal's off. I don't basically do businesses are semester right how goes off the ringer ghost looks for his brother who's already lied about Charlotte and being a thing and starts to fight how you guys home. when I say I am not impressed with what I'm about to say. Okay, I was all the way not impressed. He goes to punch and you know injure his brother Isaac right dead Charlotte jumps in and he pushed her over the balcony a Banshee. Yeah Falls to her death to her death falls to the death that Charlotte is dead the whole show revolves. Around Charlotte how the hell are they going to move on from this? Listen Hulu? Listen, listen, right now. I'm all in my feelings still person of the show. So for real for real, I don't know what y'all up to but I don't like it. So it was horrible. It was really sad. I would cook I was shocked I was shocked and so we also see how unbelievably cold Lydia is she really is Lydia's with Okay, and they're leaving because I got kicked out but Isabella mmc's Charlotte lying there bleeding out right? Does she do anything? Does she call anyone does she nothing she hesitates she stands she stands there for a good three five seconds. I was surprised to see that and Kate the new girl. Yeah, which was amazing imagery but the new girl holds her hand and they stare at each other as she's taking her last breath and all in the meanwhile you have Lydia. Who started you know who worked with both of them and their innocence and started with them and not whole thing, right and ones leaving the Earth and one is just coming into the business into the fall. Yeah, it's crazy. Right? That was good imagery. I hadn't thought about it like that. It's really one making an entrance and when making an exit, yeah guys, I am not impressed. I know that in the live chat. Let's shout out some of you people yes, indeed because they are not happy either. So why don't you go ahead and show some people out so little else's Dia needed to go you're right because Lydia has an agenda and clearly she's all about her agenda at all times. So whatever that agenda was she needed to go. She couldn't be bothered with this Charlotte person whom she obviously has no remorse or she you know, she don't care nothing about Charlotte. So I wasn't really surprised Brianna Roland said if the writers think I'll replace Charlotte for Kate. They must be out of their mind. I mean it and you guys that's kind of where they're going with she's kind of the Sure, but I mean, they're really gonna have some big shoes to fill I agree guys. Let's move on. Let's do some news and gossip. So in our news and gossip today, I wanted to highlight the everybody's talking about it. I mean, it's all over the blogs that the woman that plays Charlotte. Her name is Jessica Brown her very last show. Obviously, that's what we're talking about now is over it. She's done and it was just sad to see so everybody feels some type of way. Obviously her being the biggest protagonist of the show. There's a lot of back and forth in terms of opinion. Should they have she been have the should she have been killed off? And was that the way to do it and was this the time to do it as a whole, you know, just like we're having a discussion. So I think it's pretty dope that people are invested in this character and that they feel so strongly about the fact that she is no mole besides. I mean she even says she changed this Charlotte character changed her life. Absolutely. Absolutely. She is an amazing actress and she I'm just still shook guys still shook. Let's go onto our quote of the show. Yes, definitely each week. We put a quote that stands out to us specifically from the show. What was your quote? My quote was from Lydia Quigley who in a moment of almost justifiable anger, but she took she goes to the party. She showed she has Kate take off her cape and she shows that this is Venus and then lo and behold who's there of all people Isabella's brother whose name? Is at a loss the brother the Harbison the Marquis De Marquise. Okay, so he's there and the exchange between the two of them in that exchange Lydia looks at him and says you could not possibly guess what I'm imagining because of course he thinks that everything is solved with money. So his whole thing is I'll pay twice as much of any money that you can imagine and she's like Boy by because I interpreted that to mean you have absolutely no clue what I'm capable of so what I'm imagining Imagining your thinking is a price. I'm over here imagining how to cut your balls off. So like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you have you no idea so my quote and I always have to I don't know why mind in the beginning away and so my quote of the show is you can change the face you present to the world, but you can't change your putrid soul. And that's he's saying that to Lydia which is so apropos. So apropos poke and then I love this when Emily and Margaret were having the exchange. Once Emily found out that Margo's back and she was like, you know, I thought you were dead. They hung you and she says I have a slippery net tastic little while you are so right and I'm reading your chat as I'm going through here and and they are always killing her off. They killed her off of Downton Abbey. You're absolutely right you guys she's a great actress, right? She deserves to be there. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh, Daniel Martinez. Did you see what she says? I'm I'm so upset. I might not even watch the rest of the season. Oh Danielle don't boycott the show. No, you're gonna watch your gonna watch. You know, you want to see here already three seasons of exactly cut it out. Let's talk about Harley the week Harlot of the week. So each week, we pick a harlot that stands out to us and so my Harlot of the week, obviously, it's going to Margaret Wells. Yay. Okay, Margaret Wells young now lovely and the reason why she is my heart of the week is because we Win for her to come back and she's back and she is going to be back with a vengeance. No question. My Harlot of the week would definitely be Kate now. I don't believe that's a picture of KW that Charlotte. Yeah, but anyway Kate is definitely making quite the appearance. And now that shoulder is going it's going to be really hairy to see who kind of rises in the ranks and whether or not she takes her place and it's just a little disturbing to see that her first occurrence her first. Interaction with sex she believed was loved and now she's in a business where love has no place but sex is the majority of the work that you did. Yeah interesting. I'm so because Charlotte was killed. I wanted to take a moment and pay some all merged her. Okay the lady in the pink, obviously, we know her as Charlotte was so much time on the show. We are so sad rest in peace. Charlot Wells. Yes, did the show? Well, you did the Character well and I am in shock and disbelief that you have died as am I so sad to see you go. You are a phenomenal actress very good at your job. And yeah, we're going to miss you. I just such a strange turn of events. I definitely didn't see that coming and the sir. Yeah on conqueror Sarah. Yeah. Let's move on to some Harlot history. Okay. So each week we go through and do a little bit of Of backstory of our harlots and this week we wanted to talk about and I just have to pull it up. Bear with me for one moment Wonder to talk about the history of one specific Harlot. So if we can blow that up a little bit that be helpful in this photo which is dating back from the 17th century. We found out last week that Of the characters are actually based off of real characters and this week. I wanted to introduce you to Mom all Haka bust. Okay is actually literally Lydia Quigley eggs character what the real Madam who went to London and literally picked women off of the street. Yeah in this photo and luring them into the same way that Lydia doesn't go in the bus station exactly. Got it. So I thought that was interesting and that it's true and that character is based off of a true story just like how Charlotte is based off of a true character. So is Lydia quickly? Yeah, that's pretty dope. Really really cool. Yes it is. Thank you for that. Absolutely guys, let's move on to some predictions. What do you got? Um, my predictions would be well initially I was in denial. So my initial prediction was going to be that Charlotte was going to get the hell up off that floor and surprise us all maybe she has a broken leg, but she would be fine because I don't want to be dead but it's already been proven that she's dead. So I'll let that their ego and say that I predict that Kate is going to rise in the ranks and totally become the Madam to get the go to in town, but that she's not Be beholden to quickly that's only going to last for a minute. Like she's going to learn the ropes really quickly and then she's gonna ask quickly because I think she's gonna stab her in the back. I just feel like she's gonna learn how to be mischievous and manipulative and horrible and take over. I mean, I agree with that 100% So I want to read something from Maggie Sandy who is one of our viewers and fans out there Maggie. We had a great conversation in a Chats on YouTube nice. She wrote. Wrote something I found on Instagram though. Holly Dempsey, which is Emily Lacey's character and Eloise, which is Lucy Wells character accounts. They've both had quote unquote. Goodbye posts to their characters. I believe they also had a wrap party where most people said goodbye. So either they let him major spoiler slip for the season and future Seasons, or the show is wrapped completely now, I want you. Pay attention to what I'm saying right now, okay. If Maggie is indeed true what she's saying and this is goodbye post. I pray Hulu that this is goodbye for the season that we wrap for the season. I am hoping that we're not cleaning house here. Yeah, meaning Charlotte gets killed then Emily is gone and then Lucy's gone because if you guys think about who came back Marquez of blame came back and he's the evil of the evil of the Evil have this brothel being set up this brothel beating set up this brothel being set up but then we have a bunch of like loose cannons Lucy being one of them. Yeah family being one of them. Can you imagine if who decides that we're just gonna we're going to like wipe out all the character. No saving. I'm just I'm just saying they would have no show they couldn't be that ridiculous, but they would but then what would the plot like, how could we go on? What would they aren't the the character? Is that are supporting are not strong enough to pull off the whole show. Well, that's not true because Margaret's back. So Margaret and I is what season one was all surrounded by right? He's into was all about Charlotte season 3 because we're used to Charlotte we were so sad and right now but think about it. We went without Margaret for how long right now. We're without Charlotte. I couldn't Lucy coming next. I'm just saying Lucy the main character Isabel has a main character. There are a lot of strong character that the show can go on. And so it's possible and it's not considered Barrett thing is possible through enough. 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Linda Antwi and Kittie KaBoom break down season 3 episode 3 of Harlots! HARLOTS AFTER SHOW: Sex, love and war. Or in Margaret Wells case, sex and war. When her brothel business gets attacked by a rival, she risks everything to protect her business. On our HARLOTS AFTER SHOW we cover all the ins and outs from Margaret’s family and company to the war breaking out over London. If you have a special guest in mind you’d like to see on the after show, let us know and we will do our best to make it happen! ABOUT THE SERIES: In this drama set in 18th century London, Samantha Morton stars as Margaret Wells, a brothel owner and mother to two daughters, Charlotte and Lucy. When Margaret's business is attacked by Lydia Quigley (Lesley Manville), a ruthless rival madam, a war breaks out over the city's most profitable commercial activity -- sex. Margaret is determined to fight back and protect her business, even if it puts everything else at risk, including her family. Creators Moira Buffini and Alison Newman also serve as executive producers.

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. Okay, so we're actually going to take a step back historically. Talked about Carl Rogers last time as a phenomenologist. So we started our brief foray into the ideas behind phenomenology. But now we're going to go back in time a bit and we're going to talk about the end of the 19th century and we're going to discuss Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky and Kierkegaard in some detail. And the reason we're going to do that is because those three men I would say more than anyone else in the 19th century late. The ground work not only for what would become psychoanalysis and then later personality psychology and Clinical Psychology, but they also describe the broader social political and cultural situation that modern people find themselves in now. and their thought is exceedingly sophisticated and it's really worth grasping because if you can get you know, we're going through these personality theories one of the time and we're making going to make forays into biology and neuropsychology. You need a structure underneath that you need to understand a structure that's underneath all that to slot everything into because that way you can understand it in more detail. And so Partly because ideas develop historically, you know, so an idea is a seed and out of the seed other plants grow and so forth and the plant grows and so forth and branches off. If you can get back down to the origin point, then you can often understand the entire structure more straightforwardly. And also these three men are so brilliant that it's it's a joy to encounter their thinking even though it's very very subversive seriously subversive. So we're going to start with this diagram, which you'll remember so okay, you still think about this from the PSAT of perspective like we made the point that as the child puts itself. Let's say together. It starts by practicing micro routines micromotor routines and those are accompanied by perceptual Frameworks. And and also they're incorporated into a motivational value system because they're motivated actions and then the child practice is sequencing those micro personalities will say together to make ever more and more complex and ever more and more integrated macro personalities. And so that's basically what this diagram describes. We were looking at it from an adult perspective. So, you know, if you're going to be a good person you can decompose being a good person into sub parts of being a good person and you can decode it. So being a good person as an abstract ideal, but as you move closer and closer to the point where the goodness is manifested in action, you move closer and closer to actual movements in the world. And so the abstract category good person is actually made out of Of you can think about it as a very complex Melody of motor motor actions and perceptions perception is very tightly linked to motor action. Because whenever you perceive anything you're doing it in part by actively investigating world's partly why your eyes are moving around all the time. And if you're listening you move your head then you know to touch something you have to actively investigate it so it's always an activity of exploration. now in some ways when you think about the child piecing its It's being together from the bottom up. You can think about that as a biological process unfolding, you know, and you can think of the child is crawling and then learning to walk as a biological process unfolding but that's an oversimplification because human beings exist from day one in a very very social world. And so what that means is the way that those behaviors are sub micro personalities start to organize themselves is always under the influence. Lawrence of of the society in which they are embedded and so, you know Piaget talked about the child has as being as as having reflux basic built-in reflexes at Birth and that those reflexes are then elaborated up into more and more complex structures, but you can think that even the elaboration of those basic reflexes even right from the beginning like there's a routing and sucking reflex, which you can you can listen from a child by tapping on the side of its cheek when it's very newly born and it'll search to try to put what's tapping in its mouth. And that's that's that's part of the reflexive process the built-in perceptual motor unit that allows the child to begin to suckle now. The thing is though, What it's suckling isn't a static and objective entity. It's a person and part of breastfeeding is the establishment of a relationship a complex relationship because it's also not only a feeding relationship. It's a caring relationship to relationship that's based on tactile interaction. There can be nervousness associated with it and often is especially for a new mother. It's a very complex Dynamic social act. And so what that means is that right from the beginning in order for the baby, too. Engage in that process properly. It has to allow its initial reflexive movements to be modified by social necessity immediately. So for example, if a baby is breastfeeding, it can't bite. And you know, it doesn't have any teeth so being bitten isn't necessarily a catastrophe, but it's not pleasant. And so what will happen if the baby bites the mother is that the mother will pull away and started the baby and then the baby will cry and you know, the mother will be at least startled by the by the error and so the baby has to learn to it has to learn to be civilized in some sense right off the bat now, you know when Freud was talking about the process of socialization he tended to concentrate. Great moron toilet training. No because he thought of that as the first place where the first major place where the ID of the child which which or which Rogers would regard as an organism it as the organismic experiential domain is brought under control of the super-ego, right? Because the baby obviously it's fundamental biological function is to relieve itself, but that has to come under very very strict social control and it's It's a complex form of learning. You know, it's basically the acquisition of voluntary control over what was here to for an involuntary reflex, essentially. And so that can go well or it can go badly and it can vary go very badly. So I I knew family had a daughter at one point and that daughter with only defecate in her diaper when she was 3 so that meant she had full voluntary control over bowel function, but there was no way she was going to participate in the social ritual that surrounded Proper toilet there was a war going on like a serious war and that sort of thing happens. Well, not infrequently. And of course you remember in the crime movie The Mother the boys accusing the mother of giving them enemas and her of course denying that any such thing happened which was something that made both of them rolled their eyes, you know, and they all laugh but it's really not particularly amusing. So anyways, my point is is that even at the micro-level the manifestation of what we'll call Micro personalities expands and organizes into a environment that's conditioned by social expectation. Okay, so then Then in this is something we haven't talked about before one thing you might ask is. Okay. Where does the social expectation come from? Now that's a very complex question because in some sense, that's the same question as as weird as culture come from and that's partly a complex question because you have to take into account evolutionary history which provides the substrata for the development of culture. So that would be human biology of take that into account and then you have to take human history into account. And and where what you don't have to take into account is not clear right? Because it's very difficult to to track the origins. Of the social routines that make up the fundamental social contract, you know, we know how to behave properly roughly speaking. We have a set of expectations and a set of wants for about the way that other people are going to behave with regards to us and they returned the favor and everyone is participating in this and everybody basically knows it unless they're very poorly socialized. You can usually tell that right away, you know kids can tell that because if a three-year-old is playing with another three-year-old and one of them is poorly Eli's did so maybe has the behavioral repertoire of a fairly badly behaved two-year-old. The other three year old being socially sophisticated will say will not play with the first one. So even though they might be perfectly happy to play for a time with an actual two-year-old. So it doesn't take very long. It's really at about the age of three the children are already sophisticated enough to have embodied the rules that constitute appropriate cultural behavior and those rules. Are there patterns actually for the didn't exactly rules for the child because the child couldn't explicitly State them but they can act them out. Now you remember now Piaget talked about this a fair bit, right? Because he said that part of the way that the slightly larger micro personality say of a two-year-old are integrated into the broader social world is through games that are played with peers and with older children and the games are ways that like a game is fundamentally negotiated. It's a negotiated sphere of action and perception that has a particular goal and the goal is defined by the players and the sphere of interaction is defined by the players. And so then if you're a good player what happens is that you become part of a higher order structure and the higher order structure is the game. So if you're playing soccer all of a sudden if you're civilized, what you do is you manifest those behaviors that are appropriate to playing soccer and you subordinate your voluntarily subordinate your Geology at that point to the higher order structure of the game. That's a communal agreement. So it's a basic social contract. And so you practice being part of basic social contracts by playing games and you can do that with games that are in some sense relatively straightforward and regulated by strict conventions and articulated rules. And so that would be like a soccer game or you can do it in a more complex way and the less less Less structured and less articulated manner by engaging in dramatic play and so what children usually do when they're doing that is that they'll gather around little group and they'll lay out the drama. So the drama would be we're going to simulate. X we're going to simulate a family and then everybody is assigned to rule and so you're supposed to act out your role. But exactly how you're supposed to act it out is left open during the game so you can riff and and improvise and basically what children are doing when they're doing that is acting out the family and you know, because they need to get the family in their bones because being a parent isn't a set of ideas about parenting it's a set of It's a dance that you learn to have with your children and with your partner and it's very complicated and the rules go far beyond what you could ever articulate, you know, because you can ask yourself a question like well, how should you discipline a child? Well, first of all, you can argue about that forever, but second of all you cannot actually elaborate a set of principles that will guide your behavior in every situation where a child is likely to disrupt the social circumstance. So you have to be smarter than you can say Say in order to be good at doing something as complicated as disciplining a child because discipline also means encouraging right because it part of discipline is well, you shouldn't do those things. But another part of it is you should definitely do more of those things. And so it's the inculcation of a moral code and a lot of that's done through nonverbal behavior and through providing a role model for spontaneous imitation and all sorts of things that aren't verbal. Okay now, So so PSA talked about the game and then you could think that games become more and more complex and more and more abstract and more and more like real life as you mature until they may be the game's transform into what sociologists would refer to as roles. So the role you're playing at the moment at least in principle is student and you know, it's a game and it's a game because it's a fiction in some sense. You know, what's a fiction it's a dramatic fiction in Sam's the only reason that it exists as a role is because Society is structured in such a way that enables this to enables you to do what you're doing and to live at the same time. So it's not exactly adaptation to the normal, you know to the Natural World in any sense of the in any sense of the word, but it's also it's also real life or maybe it's almost as close to real life as you ever get because almost everything that modern people do and maybe this is true for a long time into the past. Is game like in its structure? So the games just get more and more and more they're more and more and more encompassing in some sense. But you can you can it's almost you can almost say that it never comes to the point where what you're doing is no longer playing a game now, that's a bit of an oversimplification. But because there are games and meta games but we won't talk about the metagame set the moment. Okay. So now you can understand sort of some of the lower order games and you can even understand some of the higher order roll. Like you could basically articulate in some sense what it means to be a student. But if you go up the hierarchy, you know, because good person a subset of good person could be good student. You can kind of articulate what it means to be a good student. Although you can't fully articulate it but if you go at levels above that like be a good citizen or be a good person but gets more and more difficult to fully articulate because of course, it's more and more abstract and it encompasses more and more territory and So by the time you're at the top of the hierarchy, so to speak be a good person. Well, it's much it's a much more complex phenomena than you can articulate. It. Can't be fully articulated. Now. I want to read you something that needs you said. Now you have to listen to this carefully because there's some very interesting things about the way Nietzsche writes. He's right safer istic Ali and I need for ism is a short statement often only a sentence. But but more typically a paragraph that's very very densely packed with ideas. And I think you could say in some sense that if you read Nietzsche the stuff that I'm going to read you right now is from Beyond Good and Evil that every single sentence has an idea in it and it's often an original idea. And that's a remarkable accomplishment. I mean I've often gone through books and marked. I usually fold the top of the page over marked where I think there's an idea worth keeping. It's an idea. I haven't run into before so it's an original idea and I would say in the typical book. I read there's none of them. There might be one or two, but with Nietzsche, there's probably 20 on a page and so it makes it it's he's packed a tremendous amount of information into a very very small. Small space and one of the things and he tried to do that and there was a bunch of reasons one was his health wasn't very good. Although he was an early stage genius. He was a full professor in Germany. I think when he was 22 or 23, which is impossible because you don't become a full Professor, especially a hundred Thirty years ago a hundred and forty years ago in a German University at the age of 23. It just isn't possible but he was a spectacular genius but his health failed him and so he had a very difficult time writing and so what he did was spend an awful lot of time thinking and a very short period of time writing and so what that meant was that he would take a tremendous amount of thought genius-level thought and then compress it into like a single sentence or a single paragraph in sand. He said that he'd like to fuck Classifies with a hammer and in some sense, you know now you know that hierarchy that I just showed you, you know, we talked about the idea that if you hit something disruptive in your life that the magnitude of your response is proportionate to the to the elevation of the level, right? It's much more damaging to be accused of being a bad person, you know, seriously than it is for someone to complain about you know, which side of the plate you happen to put Before caught so and I think you can say that you can sort of think of those. Nested hierarchies of value as nested hierarchies of they're almost like maps in the sense there there little units of Faith ways that you know how to maneuver in the world and not in what that means. Is that as you go up the hierarchy the map is larger and larger and more comprehensive. And so if you blow out someone's map of like which Fork to put on the table, it's that's not so bad. They can just Rectify that no time flat. It leaves 99.99% of their personality intact. but if you fail a crucial exam for it, for example, and part of the reason that you're going to that you're a student is because you want to go to medical school, you know, that'll blow out like 50 or 60% of your personality or at least it'll feel that way and that's because what's happening is that the structure that you use to regulate the relationship between you and the world has become damaged at a high level and that invalidates like if you're not a student if you're not a good student anymore then all of the sub Actors that make up being a good student might be invalid and you know, you might have put a lot of effort into being a good student. And so if all of a sudden you're not that you have to ask yourself, well what exactly am I and where are all the errors and that's a very that can be a that's an extraordinary difficult cognitive problem because you've built that structure who knows, you know over what period of time it might be 15 years or something like that and you've been practicing building that structure and Huge part of your identity because someone might say well, what are you even and you'd say a student? You know, they might say what do you do but they could easily say what are you I'm a student. Well, if you're not a student at least insofar as you desire to find a student then just exactly what are you? All right, so nature, you know when he packed a lot of information into a sentence or a paragraph you have to be very careful reading him and young is like this too because he'll throw some information if you that's packed into a paragraph and it'll be the kind of information that disrupts high level structures. You won't even notice it but that and it's because he's so subversive and he wanted to do that. It was a name of his he had his reasons to do it. He would say that you have to be broken down to nothing before you can be rebuilt. So it's like a trip to the I think so and I suppose it many ways. That's what philosophy is. You know, it's it's you don't learn a new principal without allowing old principles to disappear because you can't have the new principal and the old principal at the same time. So almost always any radical learning involves the destruction of old habits and of action and perception and that's that's a kind of death. Like it's a it's a it's an abstract death, you know, but But that doesn't make it not painful. And the thing is if the abstract death is of sufficient intensity, it can drive people to suicide because they regard killing themselves as easier than making the reparation, you know facing the anxiety and the suffering and and going through the intolerably difficult task of retooling. They may well regard that as more emotionally threatening than death. And so and that's not that rare, you know, I mean suicide is rare, but it's not that rare so, you know, and it's certainly a behavior that everyone is I suspect everyone here has known someone who was touched by suicide in some way. You know, it might not be your family member even your extended family member but the probability that you know, someone who knows someone who committed suicide is extremely extremely likely so, dr. Nietzsche is a very dangerous dangerous thinker. I'm the only person Listen, I know who kind of approaches him in that regard is Young and young is actually less Troublesome because a lot of what Dostoyevsky offers is is destruction. It's intelligent brilliant destruction, but he doesn't really offer a solution. He's sort of sketches out the possibilities of solution and he died young and then in many ways what happened was that young picked up where Nietzsche left off and tried to solve the problems that Nietzsche left unsolved. So it was neat. EG for example in some sense along with Dostoyevsky who really definitively announced the death of God at the end of the 19th century and that left people in some ways bereft of belief and we're going to talk about why that's so important in a moment. What Yuan was doing was trying to well he was trying to rescue the father from the underworld in the sense. He was tried he tried to go back to the religious Traditions that Nietzsche had had described as fatally anachronistic and demolished by the claims of science. He Go back to those religious traditions and reassess them from a psychological perspective to pull back the necessary meaning that was embedded in them. So that people could reunite with their culture and and in principle not be so prone to pathological belief systems like ideologies that tend to rush in where there's a gap. You know what Nietzsche said very clearly and all she has to do this as well by the end of the 19th century is that that the death of God would mean that people would turn on On Moss to rationalistic ideologies and that would be murderous. They knew that was coming and that's an amazing prediction really is amazing prediction. It just shows you how thoroughly they understood the structure. Okay. So I'm going to read you something by Nietzsche and then we're going to return to the hierarchy so that you can kind of understand something deeper about the way the hierarchy is structured. Okay. Now he's talking about philosophical ideas here and he's actually talking about articulated ethics. So one. Way that you might think about philosophy is that philosophers originated articulated moral principles? And that is often the way that people think about especially moral philosophy. It's like it's the philosophers who come up with the ideas, but that isn't what Nietzsche believed. Here's what he said instead. Separate philosophical ideas are not anything optional or autonomously evolving. They grew up in connection and relationship with each other. However, suddenly and arbitrarily they seem to appear in the history of thought they nevertheless along just as much to a system as the collective members of the Fauna of a continent. Okay, so very interesting ideas. So the first idea that is putting forward is that You could the best way to think about a philosophical system say a philosophical system of Ethics is as if it's different statements are animals related to one another in an ecosystem. So he has a biological metaphor in some sense for for for the emergence of the philosophical system. It's quite an interesting way of thinking of course, and it makes sense because if a philosophical system of Ethics, which is a philosophical system that tells you how and why you should behave a certain way. It is about how you should act and you're a biological being then of course, it only makes sense that the concepts themselves, which are guides to actions can logically be considered biological entities their abstracted biological entities, but they still have the same nature as biological entities and that means According to Nietzsche that they're subject to the same rules. Now. This is the sort of place where he foreshadows Freud deeply so Nietzsche says They never last belong just as much to assist them as the collective members of the Fauna of a continent. This is betrayed In The End by the circumstance. However, unfailingly the most diverse philosophers always fill in again a definite fundamental scheme of possible philosophies under an invisible spell they always resolved once more in the same orbit. However, independent of each other they may feel themselves with their critical or systematic Wills something within them. Each them something impels them in definite order the one after the other to wit the innate methodology and relationship of their ideas. They're thinking is in fact far less a discovery that are we wreck than a re recognizing a remembering a return and a homecoming to a far-off ancient common household of the soul out of which these ideas formerly grew philosophizing is so far a kind of atavism of the highest order. Okay. So here's the idea. There's two fundamental ideas that are embedded in this which actually Nietzsche differentiates. All right. I'm going to read you another section that illuminates the first one. It's gradually became clear to me what every great philosophy up till now has consisted of namely the confession of its originator and a species of involuntary and unconscious autobiography and moreover that the moral or immoral purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown. Okay. So this is a very radical statement. So because what Nietzsche is saying is that philosophies even when they declare themselves rational are deeply personal, And they're also necessarily embedded within a motivational structure that is either pro-life or anti-life something like that. So there's no value free philosophizing what there is is the expression of biologically and culturally conditioned being which is conditioned by let's say the same sort of fundamental forces that Freud described in the in the court in the biological realm and then that's condition by the cultural process. Is that you Just discussed in relationship to Piaget and then what the philosopher does is observed that all of those things are happening. Allow that to be articulated and confuse that with his own thought. It's a brilliant idea. Now. Here's a way of thinking about it. Now. One of the things Piaget said was that once children start to play games. When they're young Collective games. You can watch The Children Play the collective games, like maybe eight kids are playing marbles or something like that. And then you can take the young kids out of the game and you can ask them what the rules are and what will happen is you'll get a diverse set a diverse and paradoxical set of articulated. Holes and what that means is that the children can play the game when they're in the game and we're in there in the context of all the other people because in some sense the game is embedded in pieces in all of them. And as long as they're all there that all works, but if you pull the child away, they don't have the intellectual wherewithal to to describe the patterns of behavior that make up the game and that's only to say that they know things that they can't say because you might say well the game the rules of the game come first and Then the game emerges but that's wrong. It's the game comes first. And only after that do the rules emerge and of course there's a you know, there's a reciprocal relationship between them because once the rules are somewhat articulated then the game becomes more structured no one's and then the rules can become more structured and so on. So the articulation changes the rules what Nietzsche is saying is that the same thing applies to societies. He says like insofar as you can consider Society a collective game played by Millions of people over vast spans of time it's a game of games in some sense and it emerged from the bottom up it emerged out of biological impulses and and interpersonal and and social interactions conditioning and shaping everyone's behavior and perception and that happened way before anyone could articulate what those rules were. Now remember when uh, it was writing. There was no real sense of how old is the earth was or how old the universe was made people thought even the radical people thought maybe in terms of hundreds of thousands of years. You know, now we know that the universe is 14 billion years old and that the Earth is 4 billion years old and that life has been plentiful on the earth for 3.5 billion years so that the historical context within which we originated has expanded by orders of magnitude since Last 19th century and so then what you think that means is that the way that our games have been organized stretches impossibly back in time. Now, I already told you I believe the story about Lobster dominance hierarchies, right? So even lobsters that's 400 million years ago lobsters array themselves in a social space and they regulate each other and that means the logs just essentially have a lobster society and you know each Lobster has biological Vehicle predispositions that are quite determined they're quite lobsters quite a deterministic creature, but nonetheless the way that those biological predispositions manifest themselves is conditioned and shape by the social surrounding and so you think Well, Log stirs started to play games 400 million years ago and you know as we've taken the tremendously long evolutionary journey across that time we'd be playing social games. whole time and that means that the way that we interact with each with each other has evolved and it's even shaped the way our biology manifests itself because that's how old culture is and then out of that as we became more capable of abstraction and maybe that's you know, that's something that really took off probably seven million years ago with modern human beings emerging about a hundred and fifty thousand years ago because we separated from the common ancestor of people of human beings and chimpanzees about 7 million years ago. You can tell that by doing analysis of genetic differences. So the brain expanded very rapidly after that point and our culture became more and more conscious and articulated and complex and larger and more technological, you know, so it became in some ways more. Dependent on social norms and less dependent on deterministic biological predispositions, but we've still been doing that for a very long time. There's there's good evidence that you know, we started using fire about 2 million years ago and forgive me if I told you this already but you know, if you look at a human being and you look at a chimpanzee one, there's a bunch of things. You see that are very different morphologically. The chip is much shorter much much wider and way more powerful. So like Normal, MailChimp is about six times as strong as the strongest Olympic Athlete. So don't mess with chimps. They'll tear you apart. They're really really strong and dangerous. So but the chimp is shaped sort of like this, you know, they have a huge gastrointestinal system roughly speaking. And the reason for that is mostly what they eat is leaves and leaves have no color content. And so they have to eat immense numbers of leaves and leaves are hard to digest so they have to chew them like mad. So the Champs it's around 8 hours a day chewing and then they have this tremendously long gastrointestinal system because it takes that long to extract any nutrients out of out of leads. Well, we circumvented that man. As soon as we invented Fire and Fire allowed us to Outsource our digestion because if you cook most things vegetables, but more importantly meat if you cook them, they become much more of bioavailable and and takes much less energy to digest so That way you can shrink your gut and grow your brain. And so that's apparently what we did because here we are, you know, relatively slim at least compared to chimpanzees and so fire popped up to million years ago. It's a real cultural revolution. But you know, that's so old that Cultural Revolution and can take completely reshaped our bodies. And so this interplay between biology and culture has been going on for an unimaginably long period of time and it conditions everything we do. Now here's a complicated idea. Okay, so imagine a wolf pack. Now wolf pack is a pretty complicated social group. It's a fair bit like a primordial human Group, which is why dogs have been with us for twenty five thousand years. Maybe they were wolves that first started to follow us around this cabbage or more likely I think someone went out some primordial Hunter went out hunting killed a wolf female found the pops and brought one home for the children to play with, you know, That was the original origin of the dog. I think it was something like that because dogs are basically they're basically genetically identical which wolves now the thing is we can get along with dogs. And the reason we can get along with dogs because dogs have a social organization. You could call it a dominance hierarchy. That's a fair bit like the Human Social organization. And so you can see that part of what it means to be human is the same thing that it means to be a pack animal like a dog or a pack animal like are domesticated animals. Like horses and cows for example, which we can domesticate partly because their social so some of the structure of our social organization is the same sort of structure that an animal dominance hierarchy has like a chimpanzee garments are key for example, and so we know that chimpanzees and other primates monkeys for example are acutely aware of the levels of hierarchy in their social structure and there are I think it's vervet monkeys. This is a very funny experiment. So imagine that the top vervet monkeys. Are like celebrity monkeys, you know and the bottom vervet monkeys are like, you know, dissolute Street people. And so then you take some pictures of dissolute Street people who are just at the bottom of the hierarchy and you take some pictures of celebrities and you showed pictures to a human audience and the human audience will look at the celebrities longer. Well, if you take the vervet monkeys and you take photographs of the top-ranking vervet monkeys in the bottom vervet monkeys and you show them to vervet monkeys, then the vervet monkeys will look at the top ranking verdict vervet monkey. Photographs more than the bottom ranking vervet monkey photographs. So in some sense, they're transfixed by the individuals who are higher up in the in the social order and that makes sense. Right? Because what you should feel especially in a fairly aggressive dominance hierarchy what you should feel the closer you are to the bottom of the dominance hierarchy the closer what you should feel for whatever is at the top of the dominance hierarchy should that should be it should be closer and closer to Allah. Now when people feel off they get chills running up and down their back their neck. Well white the reason that happens is because it's a it's a it's an atavism. It's a hangover from the time that when you were threatened by something awe-inspiring, let's say a snake or a bear or something like that your hair your fur would stand up and the reason for that is so that you look bigger and you still see this happening all the time with cats right to capsule normally cat's face each other this way, right but if they start to White they turned sideways and that's so they each look bigger and then they puff up their fur and their tail and that's to show the other cat that they're really a lot bigger than the cat first thought now, of course, they're both doing that. So it's a little bit pointless, but they're just carrots. So, you know, you can give them a break but the point is is that they pile erect and that's the same thing that happens. For example, when you're listening to very powerful music and it deeply affects you and you get chills. It's like the hair stands up on the back of your neck and that's the signaling of aw now, The reason you should feel our towards something that's higher up in the dominance hierarchy is because that thing has power like is it? Well, there's more than one reason a that thing has power you better be careful of it because it will put you in your place and fast and part of the reason the dominance hierarchy exists is so that everybody knows their place and they don't have to be reminded of it by being half killed on a regular basis, you know, so maybe your 9 on a scale of 1 1 being the top. Maybe you're not 9 it's not so good. But number nine and not hurting is a lot better than number 9 in lying there bleeding on the ground. And so what happens with dominance hierarchies is they usually arrange themselves in part by power. But by no means only Empower everybody knows where they are and pretty much everybody stays there and that even happens over multiple. Generations say in complex primate dominance troops status is heritable. So in you know that there's not much of a leap between that inheritable monarchy's among human beings. It's a reflection of you know, it's much more complex among human beings because it's articulated and structure but it's the same basic thing. Now me just point was so now imagine and that now here's another problem so imagine that okay, so you've got a garment it's hard and it's fairly stable. And one of the things you want to do is climb to the top of the dominance hierarchy. And the reason you want to do that. There's all sorts of reasons high-quality mates. That's the primary reason that's particularly true in humans. If your mail because males are much more differential reproducers that females which means a lot of males fail to reproduce completely and some reproduce a law. Whereas the typical woman reproduces at least some So that means competition is more intense among men and that's part of the reason why dominance hierarchies tend to be tilted towards male power. This competition means more to them. The outcome is more crucial. So now part of what happens is that as people compete within the dominance hierarchy what they're doing is to try to figure out who it is that is fit to be on top. Now you might think that that's a matter of power. You know, in fact your basic social left. The social constructionist would have you believe that that was all there is to it is that the whole dominance hierarchy is nothing but a power system and the people on top are there because they have power and what's there is power and by that they mean the ability to enforce their will on other people. Well, that's a that's a Dopey Theory. And the reason for that is that if unit dimensional, you know, we know that people are multifaceted. There's no single motivation. That's King, you know for Freud it was sex and aggression and like if you're going to come up with a couple of potent candidates those are two but there's lots of other ones people are playful and play as a primary biological circuit, you know, we suffer we're hungry. We're thirsty. We're affiliative like there's a lot of biological to be driving the makeup of our personalities and their biological sub personalities and to arbitrarily call one of them the source of something as complex as social organization is it's a it's a it's a it's a false form of monotheism. It's a crazy idea and it's the kind of idea on that only people who really don't like to think would have because once you come up with that idea, it's all power. You don't have to think anymore. Someone can say to you well, why is it Complex phenomena X the way it is. Why is the economy arranged The Way It Is Well, it's so that the people at the top can maintain their power. Well, yeah sure but maybe that accounts for 10% of the reason it doesn't get close to a hundred percent. There's lots of reasons why. Hierarchies are structured the way they are and sheer physical force is one of them but it's it's unstable. So so Fran's De Waal who was watching chimps organize their dominance hierarchies in the Arnhem zoo in Holland noted quite quickly that it was fairly typical or at least possible for the meanest ugliest strongest MailChimp to be the dominant guide. Sometimes it was the chimp who learned to pick up a garbage Cannon who act All of it with the stick because that intimidated is enemies, you know, so it's a bit of create your creativity there. But what but what do all found was that the stable hierarchies were never run by Barbarian chimp dictators. And the reason for that was that coalition's of other males would take them out and so because you know, you say well if you're if you're one antisocial aggressive male and you're tough, it's like, okay you're tough, but three lesser friendlier. Males who are bound together in a friendship pact with chimpanzees form quite intensely. It's like as soon as that guy turns his back or has a bad day or gets hurt. They're going to jump in there and tear him to pieces and that's exactly what happened. So what do all found was that the Stabler chimpanzee dominance hierarchies were run usually by males who were affiliative and gregarious who remembered their social obligations. So that meant with regards to their friendship Network and who are also Very good to the females and the infants in the truth. Even if they weren't his and the idea there is that power is an unstable basis for the maintenance of a dominance hierarchy cross time because in some sense even among chimps, you have to have the consent of the governed because you'll get a revolution otherwise and so, you know, you're going to get a revolution if you put people in or animals in a situation where they have nothing to lose and so what that means is there are constraints On how you can act. Well, you try to move up the dominance hierarchy system because if you're too aggressive and selfish and you're not grooming anyone else and you're not communicating with the other creatures in the truth, they're going to gang up on you and take you down. And so if you're going to maneuver your way up the truth, you have to be do it in a manner that civilized enough so that you don't get everyone against you and so what it means is that to maneuver up a power hierarchy, especially a Flex power artery you have to be a lot more than powerful. So okay now so now we've got this idea that there are principles governing the movement of people of creatures up a dominant start even among the animals and one of the defining characteristics of the that that one of the characteristics that necessity makes delimit that process is that over time. The Troop can't let anybody climb the dominance hierarchy who will destabilize the whole dominance heart because then that's it game over. So at the very least you have to learn how to climb up the hierarchy so that you don't disable eyes it while you climb because otherwise you get to the top and there's nothing left. Well in animals know this they know this instinctively. So for example, when wolves go at it, you know first they puff up and they grounded each other and they put up their shoulders and like they get more and more aggressive until attack. Is imminent and Austin one of them will back off with there's no fighting no one gets damaged. And and so that's the typical situation. It's like one says yeah, okay, you know, I'm out of here and God only knows why that is often. I suspect the wolf with a higher serotonin level winds because it has less negative emotion and serotonin levels go up as you move up the dominance hurt now and then they'll go into, you know, they'll actually have a fight but the fight usually doesn't last very long and then the loser will roll over. Throw it show its throat to the winner, which is quite a behavior because wolves tear their throats out of it out of their prey and the top willful back off and you don't you think about that's unbelievably sophisticated morality, you know, there's echoes in there of the New Testament injunction to love your enemy because that's exactly what the wolf is doing and you know, it doesn't know this because it can't articulate the rule but what it's doing is acting as if even the thing that attacked you is valuable. In its own, right if it's part of your troop and you know, you can see there the the ancient biological origins of the idea of the of the of the equality and value of each individual. So these things have deep deep deep roots. They're not arbitrary. They're not arbitrary and no one invented them and that's exactly what Nietzsche is saying here. To understand how the obtrusive snazz a physical assertions of a philosopher have been arrived at it is always well and wise to first ask oneself. What morality do they or does he aim at accordingly? I do not believe that an Impulse to knowledge is the father of philosophy, but that another impulse here as elsewhere has only made use of knowledge and mistaken knowledge as an instrument. But whoever considers the fundamental impulses of man with a view to determining how far they may have here acted as inspiring Genie or as demons will find that they have all practiced philosophy at one time or another and that each of them would have only been two glad to look upon itself as the ultimate end of existence and the legitimate Lord of over all of the other impulses. So what is he saying there? Well, you know need to make this explicit in passages that are related to this one. He viewed the human being as a collection of sub souls and the sub Souls were grounded in their existence in Boston biological underpinnings. And that was the case for every human being and that made us roughly similar. It certainly made our groups roughly similar. And so these each of these biological subsystems conceptualized as a sub Soul was something that had its own Viewpoint had its own rules had its own games and they would they jockey for precedence. Now, you know that because Sometimes you're sitting there reading and you're trying to concentrate on a higher orbit. Go like completing your classes and you know, some biologically determined some system pops up and says, you know, this would be an excellent time to go have a coffee, you know, and you might do everything you can to not allow that thing to take over but often it does and so and often that's despite what you think you might actually want to do and then later you're all upset about it because you dated yet again, but you know Nietzsche viewed the psyche as a place you could almost think of yourself as a set of ABS. It's like your brain is a set of animals. And the animals are all dependent on one another but each animal needs to be boss from time to time and each animal Wants To Be Boss more often than it should be and then you know, the higher order cortical systems are there to figure out how to sequence all of these other animals so that they all get what they need without interfering with each other across large spans of time in the presence of many other people in a manner that sustaining so it's very very complicated. Okay now so let's go back to the hierarchy. So. You have the hierarchy and overtime. Now remember this hierarchy stays there for a very long period of time and remember as well that the people who climb to the top of the hierarchy. Are much more likely to leave Offspring than the people who don't and so then what that means is that the hierarchy in part is one of the primary selection forces operating on humanity and what that means is that we evolved towards the thing that can most successfully climb the dominance heart. And so that means that we evolved towards the thing that has the best probability of ruling properly. And that's not just cultural its cultural because it's the continual interplay between culture and biology going back will save 400 million years or more. Okay now but it's even more complicated than that. And this is what one of the things that you have to understand if you really want to understand what niche of meant by the death of God so because that's his most famous pronouncement. God is dead and we have killed him and we'll never find enough water to wash away the blood now, so he wasn't announced. That in Triumph. He was announcing it in Terror. Okay, now imagine this so as human society becomes more complex and as our brains become larger and larger so that we could track larger social organizations and we can organize more complex communities. What happens is that heretofore isolated tribes of people come together and then they have to engage in conflict and negotiation and partly what they're in Conflict about is what is the way that you should act and what should the values be now? There's an old mythological idea that the gods fight in heaven to see who is the dominant God while you can imagine all of these individual tribes. They have their ideals. And those were creatures of their imagination but those were imagined representations of proper behavioral patterns and they saw there was this Transcendent since superordinate and so then try Bay would come into contact with tried be and the gods would Clash and out of that and I know all the death and destruction that went with it, the two tribes would integrate and maybe that would take you know hundreds of years and the religious system. That's at above that which was the representation. The dominant turkey would also transform so you take tribe A and you take try B and then you take tribe see and then you take tri-d and they all accumulate across time and and sort out and articulate and represent all of their beliefs. And what happens is that this tribe has a game and this tribe has a game in this tribe has a game and then if you put all those games together they tilt so that a metagame emerges out of it. It's like like if it's if it's fortunate the best of all three games gets put together in a larger game and it has to be the best because otherwise it won't work. The thing will fall apart, right? Because if your family unit isn't functional it will disperse, you know, and maybe people will die because of it. It has to have the it has to be iterative all it has to be playable across time without falling apart from internal pressure and without getting wiped out from the outside. So it's very tightly constrained. So then let's say this happens over tens of thousands of years. We could say Well, it happened in the Middle East because we know that as Mesopotamia came together, for example, it was the aggregation of multiple tribes and all of the Gods of those tribes and we know the Mesopotamians organized all those God's into one God his name was Marduk and that the story that they tell about the aggregation of the Gods into one is the story of the Gods getting together. And voting on which of them should be at the talk and then we know that the Mesopotamian Emperor was charged with the responsibility of acting out that top gone and that that's what made him a good Emperor and he got reminded of that every year at the New Year's ceremony. He had to tell all the ways that he hadn't been a good Marduk and then he'd get punished for it and then they would reenact the Battle of the Gods and recreate this Marta character. Okay, so so you can Just and how that might have come about. Now, you can say that the idea of that emergent ideal that was not that wasn't rational. It was the consequence of conflict and cooperation in the real world across times. The representations of that were, you know, we might think about them as narrative representations or if they're deep enough even as mythology you could think about those as as the soil from which religious presuppositions emerge and so what happens is Is that what you have at the top of the dominance hierarchy as your representation of the good person? It's no different in its totality than the idea of The Sovereign God that has emerged across thousands and thousands of years of human history. So the whole structure has this thing at the top and it's regarded in imagination as Divine. It's the consequence of the represents the consequence of the battle of representations of Morality In imagination across thousands and thousands of years, and that's a reflection of the actual. Conflict and restructuring of society is across all that time. So then you have this thing at the top so we could say in the West in Western Europe that thing at the top is Christ and that's the dying and we are the dying and dying and revivifying hero we talk about reasons for that. That's the thing that can go to the underworld and then come back up. Okay. That's at the top. What happens when it disappears? Well, we'll turn to Dostoyevsky for that. It's this from Notes from Underground. So this is someone who's in the underground and that's where you go when your value systems collapse. I'm a sick man. I'm a spiteful man. I'm an unattractive man. I believe my liver is diseased. However, I know nothing at all about my disease and do not for cert know for certain what ails me? I don't consult a doctor for it and never have although I have a respect for medicine and doctors besides. I'm extremely superstitious sufficiently soda respect medicine. Anyway, I am well educated enough not to be superstitious but I am superstitious. No, I refuse to consult a doctor from spite that you will probably not understand. Well, I understand it though. Of course, I can't explain who it is precisely that I'm mortifying in this case by my spite I'm perfectly well aware that I cannot pay out the doctors and extract Revenge by not Consulting them. I know better than anyone that by all this I'm only injuring myself and no one else but still if I don't consult a doctor, it's from spite. My liver is bad well, Let it get worse. He's a civil servant. Hello renting civil servant and he's retired because he got a little bit of inheritance. He says when petitioners used to come for information to the table at which ice at how used to grind my teeth out them and I felt intense enjoyment when I succeeded making anybody unhappy, I almost always succeeded for the most part. They were all timid people. Of course, they were petitioners. But you know gentlemen, what was the chief point about my spite? Well, the whole point the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually even in the moment of the acutest spleen. I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not only not spiteful but not even embittered and that I was simply scaring sparrows at random and amusing Myself by it. I was lying when I just said now that I was a spiteful official I was lying from spite. I was simply amusing myself with the petitioners and with the officer and in reality, I never could become spiteful. I was conscious every moment in myself of many very many elements absolutely opposite to that. I felt them positively swarming in me these opposite elements. I knew that they had been swarming in me my whole life and craving some outlet from me, but I would not let them out. Would not let them purposely purposely would not let them out. They tormented me until I was ashamed they drove me to convulsions and sick and Be At Last At Last how they sicken me. Now, you're not found seeing gentleman that I am expressing remorse for something now that I'm asking your forgiveness for something. I'm sure your fancying that however, I assure you I do not care if you are. It was not only that I could not become spiteful. I did not know how to become anything neither spiteful nor kind neither a rascal. You're an honest man. Neither a hero nor an insect. Now I'm living my life out in my corner taunting myself with the spikeless and useless consolation that an intelligent man cannot become anything seriously and it's only the fool who becomes anything. A direct person. I regard as the real Normal Man. As his tender Mother Nature wish to see him when she graciously brought him into being on the earth inv such a man till I'm Green in the face. He's stupid. I'm not disputing that but perhaps the normal man should be stupid. How do you know perhaps it's very beautiful. In fact. And I am the more persuaded of that suspicion. If one can call it. So by the fact that you take for instance the antithesis of the normal man, that is the man of acute self-consciousness who has come of course not out of the lap of nature, but out of a retort. This is also almost mysticism gentlemen, but I suspect this to this retort made man is sometimes so nonplussed in the presence of his intense assist the normal man that with all his exaggerated self-consciousness. He genuinely thinks himself A mouse and not a man at all. It may be an acutely conscious Mouse yet. It is a mouse while the other is a man and therefore, etc. Etc. And the worst of it is he himself his very own self looks on himself as a mouse No One asks him to do so and that's an important point now, let us look at this mouse in action. let us suppose for existence for instance that it feels insulted and it almost always feels insulted and it wants to Revenge itself to there may even be a greater of accumulation of spite in it than in the man of Nature and Truth the base and nasty desire to vent that Spite on its assailant rankles, perhaps even more nasty in it than in the man of Nature and Truth for through his innate stupidity the latter the Man looks upon his revenge is Justice pure and simple well in consequences his acute self-consciousness, the mouse does not believe in any justice of it at all to come at last to the deed itself to the very Act of Revenge. Apart from one the one fundamental nastiness the luckless mouse succeeds in creating rounded so many other nastiness has in the form of doubts and questions adds to the one question. So many unsettled questions that there are inevitably Works around it up around it a sort of fatal brew a stinking mess made up of its doubts emotions and of the contempt spat upon it by the direct men of action who stands solemnly about it as judges and arbitrators laughing at it until they're healthy. Sides ache, of course. The only thing left for it is to dismiss all that with a wave of its paw and with a smile of assumed contempt in which it does not even itself believe and creep ignominiously into its mouse hole there in its nasty stinking underground home are insulted crushed and ridiculed Mouse promptly becomes absorbed in cold malignant and above all Everlasting spite. For 40 years together. It will remember it's injury down to the smallest most ignominious details and every time we'll add of itself detail still more in ignominious spitefully teasing and tormenting itself with its own imagination. It will be ashamed of its imaginings yet. It will recall it all it will go over and over every detail it well invent unheard of things against itself pretending that those things might have happened and we'll forgive nothing. Maybe it will begin to Revenge itself to but as it were piecemeal in Trivial ways from behind the stove Incognito without believing either in its own right to Vengeance or in the success of its revenge knowing that from all its efforts at Revenge it will suffer a hundred times more than he on whom it revenge's itself. Well, he I daresay will not even scratch it yourself. On its deathbed it will recall it all over again with interest accumulated over all the years. now the idea that each endorsed kievsky were developing was that the dawning Consciousness in Western Society of the mythological substructure of the value system and the impossibility of conceptualizing that or proving the validity of its structure from scientific means doomed it, too. Doomed the people who were encapsulated in that system to formal disbelief in it and what they concluded from. That was exactly what dustiest he just described which is that someone with that level of acute self-consciousness and cultural self-knowledge would immediately come become fragmented beyond belief unable to act unhappy resentful and dangerous. And both are serious in nature in their works and Dusty St. Develop this idea most particularly in the novel called The Devil's said that once that you had got to that point which was inevitable if you were smart enough to take seriously what was going on. It was only a tiny step to identification with a murderous ideologies. Now some of the existentialists started to work up what you might regard as a solution to this problem. And I'm going to read. kierkegaard's solution it is now. Kierkegaard was a Danish existential philosopher and he lived earlier than nature and he was in some sense. You might think about him as the first Modern psychologists he was he was the first person to conceptualize for example of that the separate entity of anxiety and despair. It is now about four years ago that I got the notion of wanting to try my luck as an author. I remember it quite clearly. It was on a Sunday. Yes, that's it at Sunday afternoon. I was seated as usual out of doors at the cafe in the Fredericksburg Garden. I've been a student for half a score of years. Although never lazy all my activity nevertheless was like a glittering inactivity a kind of occupation for which I still have a great partiality and for which I perhaps even have a little genius. I read much spent the remainder of the day idling and thinking or thinking and idling but that was all it came to so I sat there and smoke my cigar until I lapsed into thought. Among other thoughts. I remember these you are going on I said to myself to become an old man without being anything and without really undertaking to do anything on the other hand, wherever you look around you in life and in literature, you see the celebrated names and figures the precious and much-heralded men who are coming into prominence and who are much talked about the many benefactors of the age, you know, how to benefit mankind by making life easier and easier some by Railways others by omnibuses and steamboats others by Telegraph Others by easily apprehended compendiums and short recitals of everything worth knowing and finally the true benefactors of the age who make spiritual existence easier and easier yet more and more significant. And what are you doing here? My Soliloquy was interrupted for my cigar with smoke out and a new one had to be lit. So I smoked again and then suddenly this thought flashed through my mind. You must do something but inasmuch with your limited capacities, it will be impossible. Able to make anything easier than it has become you must with the same humanitarian enthusiasm as the others undertake to make something harder this notion, please me immensely and at the same time it flattered me to think that I like. The rest of them would be loved and esteemed by the whole community. For when all combined in every way to make everything easier. There remains only one possible danger namely that the he's become so great that it becomes altogether too. Great. Then there is only one want left though. It is not yet a felt want when people will want difficulty out of love for mankind and out of disparate my embarrassing situation seeing that I had accomplished nothing and was unable to make anything easier than it already was and moved by a genuine interest in those who make everything easy. I conceived it as my task to create difficulties everywhere. Same ID and different words a traveler this is nature. And this is part of the development of his answer to the conundrum that he raised a traveler had seen many countries and peoples and several continents was asked what human traits he had found everywhere and he answered men are inclined to laziness. Some will feel that he might have said with greater Justice. They are all timid. They hide behind customs and opinions. I bought him however, every human being knows very well that he is in this world just once as something unique and that no accident. However, strange will throw together a second time into a Unity such a curious and diffuse plurality. He knows it. But he hides it like a bad conscience. Why? From fear of his neighbor who insists on convention and veils himself with it. But what is it that compels the individual human being to fear his neighbor and to think and act heard fashion and not to be glad of himself since of Shane perhaps in a few rare cases in the vast majority. It's the desire for comfort and inertia in short that inclination to laziness of which the Traveller spoke. He's right men are even lazier than they are timorous and what they fear most is the troubles with which any Unconditional honesty and nudity would burden them only artists hate this slovenly life in borrowed manners and Loosely fitting opinions and unveiled the secret everybody's bad conscience the principle that every human being is a unique wonder they dared to show us the human being as he is down to the last muscle himself and himself alone even more. That in this rigorous consistency of his uniqueness. He is beautiful and worth contemplating as novel and as incredible as any work of Nature and by no means dull When a great thinker despises man, it's their laziness that he despises for his own account of this that they have the appearance of factory products and seen in different and Unworthy of companionship or instruction the human being who does not wish to belong to the mass must see release. He's must merely cease being comfortable with himself. Let him follow his conscience which shouts at him be yourself. What you were at present doing opining and Desiring? That's not really you. That's Nietzsche and Dostoevsky and existentialism. In that's the bear beginning of the thing. This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one. Vote for only $15. 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Before we continue I want to take a quick break to tell you about anchor anchor is honestly the easiest way to make a podcast for starters it's free, which doesn't get any better than that. Second of all, they have a lot of tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer the best part in my mind. Is that anchor also helps you distribute your podcast, so I don't have to go and create an account with Spotify. Apple podcast Google pod. Cast overcast can't even list all the places that get the pancake is played from simply because I don't have to worry about it. Anchor does it for me if starting a podcast is something you're interested in download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started not anchor.com anchored dot f m now back to our episode. All right. So, this is Whitney from get the pancake a podcast for volleyball coaches today. We have dr. Jacobs fort with us to answer some of our Physical Therapy related questions. So strength training recovery. I did ask on my Instagram stories for everyone to ask what questions they have for. Dr. Jacobs Fort and I was pretty overwhelmed with the amount of questions. That we got so I think there are 30 to 40 questions that we received and we're going to get through as many as possible because I know each question is really important. So we're going to cover as much as possible. I did pick out some of the most common questions and also a few specific ones that I would like to know the answer to myself not everything is 100% Physical Therapy related. There are a few big picture questions related to injury and I thought it'd be interesting to get Cubs thoughts on those as well. So Jacob thank you for being on the podcast. Yeah, of course. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited you have some of these questions but I was deathly something that I enjoy a ton of and you guys have some really good questions that we're gonna be able to get into so we're starting out or going to talk about how do you strengthen your ankles what ages to introduce strength training specifically how to train lab arrows and then of course the question that almost everybody asked it seems like was how to increase your vertical. So let's go ahead and just get started. We are going to take a second later to learn more about Jacob, but we'll dive into a couple of these questions first. So Jacob our first question is how to strengthen your ankles when you're dealing with chronic ankle sprains, and then maybe if you could talk about how to deal with just chronic injuries in general chronic injuries in That is a loaded question my friend, but let me start with okay Ghouls and we can see if we can go from there ankles are definitely something that are close to my heart. I've had I'm a chronic ankle sprain or myself or at least I wasn't High School. I've had two ankle surgeries high ankle sprains fractured ankles. You name it? I've probably done it to my ankle. So this is definitely something I want to help you out with as much as I can strengthen your ankles man. A lot of this comes down to ankle control and Ankle stability. Your ankles are really mobile joint is sitting on top of your foot. Which is made up of a ton of joints itself. So stability is going to be the name of the game for your ankles. And what's really cool about the ankle. What makes it so complex as it's what we call a multiplanar joint. So it's going to move and a bunch of different directions. So it's kind of like your shoulder where it can move like in a full circle and that complicates things. It means it allows it to do its job your ankles are meant to move but stability becomes a big picture. So if I'm going to be working with athletes, and I'm really working on ankle stability or working on preventing and Sprains trying to be preventative with our training man. One of the things that I'm going to be focusing a ton on is lateral ankle strength. So what I mean by that is strengthening up the outside of the ankles and one of my favorite drills for this for me. It's a really simple drill. It's not anything new and you're not going to blast on Instagram and get a bunch of followers from it. But I love to do banded lateral shuffles, right? You got to put that band around your toes, right so around you. Around like What's called the distal portion of your foot? So getting it out far close to your toes with that band that's going to get your ankles on fire. And that's a really easy drill to do with a big group of people to if you know if it's ever going to take the band's off them around our toes essentially and then we're just shuffling side to side. Yeah, you're having a nice control. So you're gonna be like an athletic stance so you can make it really ball ball related. You can get have them in like a ready position thing. No and then go side to side with that. You can try to make it a little bit more volleyball. Where you're going to maintain that distance between your feet but then like take a step for like they're not after a ball and hold and hold that band position that let pull your friend. They're going soft. So while doing this it's not like they're trying to run ideally. Yeah. No. No. Yeah, you're not really yeah. It's definitely like a controlled motion. Okay. Yeah controls the name of the game. And then anytime you can get into single leg work as well because you think about sports in general or whenever you run or when you take a quick step. You're very rarely. Are you on one foot and when you roll your ankle? Whoa, typically when you're coming down from a jump position, so being able to have like some good single leg stability is going to be really important to so a lot of times I'm going to get people you can get them on like you shouldn't literally get them in a in a single leg stance and do different volleyball specific drills where you know have on like, you know, throw a volleyball back and forth to me is it can be as simple as that haven't get it up in teams make it a competition make it fun. You are dealing with athletes and athletes like to write how to do so, I mean it's a long-winded answer for really some simple things that work really well. Well, it can be really effective done consistently, but I'm gonna be working on single-leg stance work. I'm going to be working on lateral ankle strength. So strengthen up the outside of the ankle. Alright, that is really great to know. I also sprained my ankle coming down after a block. So straightening the outside yelling some strength single leg work and then banded lateral movements, you said? Yeah. Yep. Those are those are two great places to start awesome. I know a lot of people will probably be getting those bands out and trying that at their next practice. We also had another question. Question speaking of ankles. Someone asked our ankle braces beneficial even if your ankles are not injured man. So yes it no. I mean that's the thing the more you kind of get into some of these like little like like sports injury related questions as people get very frustrated. Sometimes it's really not like a black and white right there. It's typically very gray. My first instinct is to say no, not really if you don't have any issues with your ankles, then you're probably not going to have issues with your ankles, but Of times, I mean they can't help with certain things like volleyball, especially if you're up nets like there's a pretty high risk of coming down someone's foot or just landing and I mean not really Landing an awkward position because that's called proprioception where your joints knows where it's at its base. And if you're depending on what level you're at, if you haven't rolled your ankle yet. You probably have pretty good ankle proprioceptive input. So you're not going to be in these more vulnerable positions, but if you're trying to be preventative and sure yeah, they'll help they're not know. Here's the thing ankle braces speaking of proprioception. And ankle braces don't do anything to prevent an ankle sprain right like you're going to roll your ankle. You're rolling your ankle right area. Like I've rolled my ankle a thousand times while wearing ankle braces. So I'm sure there's some of the listeners out here who have themselves. It doesn't necessarily stop the roll. Now the only time I mean that's you know, there's always caviar right a door. There's always the exception when I was playing football. I had an ankle brace that literally had metal steel place. I went down the sides. Both sides, so no my uncle wasn't going anywhere, but my Mobility suffered because of that. I doubt that's what you want as a volleyball player. But your classic ASO ankle brace had a lot of let a lot of volleyball players where that's not going to do a dang thing to stop your ankle from Rolling. But what it is really good at is giving your ankle something called proprioceptive input. So allowing your angle to know where it's at in space a little bit. So that's like a tactile cue or ankle brace. It works not necessarily because it's stopping you from rolling your ankle it works. Because it lets you know that you're about to roll your ankle. Yeah, kind of it prevents you from getting into position to roll your ankle to bottle that right thing. I didn't know that yeah. Yeah, super cool and that's how a lot of those braces work. Like that's how like knee braces work you to degree. That's how tape works. You know, there's nothing special about K Tape now. I don't have anything against Cape I use it a ton, but that kinesio tape that's not doing the dang thing other than just writing some tactile queuing or some sensation and sensory awareness and these areas that may otherwise Be lacking it. Wow, especially if you've already if you rolled your ankle to begin with but if you have enrolled your ankles to begin with then my first instinct is of course, like I said earlier, I would say no, but then again from a preventive standpoint, I can see some benefit there, too. Wow question 2, and I've already learned a ton. So I'm excited to keep going and that was something that I thought I knew so that was really really cool. Yeah, it's super cool when you when you start looking at yeah, okay moving on so I did want to ask you some kind of bigger picture. Sure questions too. So you mentioned you played football. What other sports do you play? So it's like football basketball I ran track. Those are the big three, you know, I dabbled a little bit and like soccer and baseball but that's little kids. Yeah track and football with my to me well and you're really big into training as well like right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. So thinking back to your team days may be back in high school. The question is what to do when a key player is injured in terms of Mental toughness and team resiliency when a key players injured that's huge that can be a I can be a big blow and you guys are watching the NBA Finals right. Now. The golden Golden State Warriors are going through a little bit of that with KD Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson being heard. I would say you want to Rally around the effort that that player put in to the team and in terms of wherever you're at in the season, right? Like that's a beauty being in a team sport is it's a team effort and you guys work together you guys bust your butts also, Come along if it's in volleyball all season long and when somebody goes down doesn't matter if it's a key player or not, but it just kind of hurts the lecture when it is a key player, but you all know how hard that is on that individual themselves because you know how bad they want to be out there with the team and you know, how bad like how much that hard work means to that person be able to see the results of it. So I would rally around that if I was if I was going to be coaching at if I'm when I'm coaching team sports reporter just being in a sport myself like trying to Rally around. Those efforts and knowing that that person gave it their all to put you in that position to be a successful team or to be as good as you can be and now you're going to go out and kind of Thrive off that effort and off that off those flows. It's kind of like lyrics playing with a bit of a higher purpose because you're kind of playing for that player not you know 100% obviously, you're always going out and compete right that it's like, oh like I rolled my ankle like I mentioned earlier that my junior year of volleyball and that was a a really good season for us and I personally felt really supported by my teammates because everyone kind of made it like, okay like we're going to keep going keep playing hard but I think as a coach looking at it, I would almost want to go to maybe the player who's stepping into that role because that's probably going to be a scary role you might have people shifting around into position. So I don't remember who filled my role that year. It's been awhile, but if you have ya go With an ankle injury that plays metal blocker, for example, you might be pulling and outside over and then other people are playing in position. So really just spending a lot of time making sure that everyone knows what's required of that position so that they can perform well and sort of make up for that injured player and then making sure that to the best of their ability that you keep the injured player involved. So when I was injured I was shagging balls and keeping score and you know, Handing balls at practice when I could but also icing a lot and I'm resting a lot trying to yeah get back and get healthy for the season but I think it's important to just work on making sure that everyone knows what they're doing what their role is in case there is any one that's moving around give them confidence give them your support and then make sure the injured player stays involved as well. Yeah and exactly and then just kind of feed off that it's really like a the next player up mentality. You got to recognize the efforts. Like I was kind of talk about or kind of rally round the player for 200 to a point, but you gotta let him know like you busted your butt just as much yeah to you're ready for the bro, you ready for the updated or for the like the increased responsibility. Whoever's going to be filling that in whether it's a single person or a group of players and really just kind of have them play with chip on the shoulder. Like all right. Now's your moment take yeah opportunity. I mean the amount of stories that can be told myself star players that are like household names that got their start because of an injured well enough, I'll give you Tom. See that's a perfect example right that me knows that volleyball related. But that's a big named one of the best quarterbacks of all time and he got his start because person started in front of him guy hurt and that is a great message to your players to when the season is starting maybe if someone's upset about not starting or not getting as much playing time as they would hope for our just saying, you know, like keep training because you never know. You don't want to leave players on and promised them playing time when they're probably not going to get it but you know, there's something to be said for training and being ready for that moment if it does come up 100 Absolutely. Okay, let's get back into Physical Therapy questions. So someone wanted to know how to safely get back into high level playing after a few years of no Sports at all. Yeah, after a few years of no Sports at all. I mean, I think there's a lot of into that like, why aren't you playing sports anymore was life busy. Did you get hurt did you have kids so, you know, maybe you haven't slept very well in the past couple years. Have you had a bunch of increased stress? Have you changed schools? Like there's a ton of things that go in. Right? Right, but I think the the best way to answer that question is kind of the same way. I talk to people about coming back from an injury or about just trying to improve overall resilience means right is gotta build something called tissue capacity. Okay, all of our tissues have a capacity level. It'd be the same as I trying to go from that running at all to go out running a marathon. Like I don't care how good of shape you're in you haven't ran a marathon before or haven't ran then your body's going to bring right period because your tissue lovely Tissues can't handle the amount of load amount of stress that you're putting in same thing for sports. If you hadn't been playing volleyball, if you're trying to get in the back into high level playing after a few years of no spores like high level and what do you mean by that? Is that right to like are we talking Club level or we talked in like you trying to make it back and then like or a pro circuit of some sort a you're going to work on skill set and your got to be humble and not be prideful. That's the word or capability. Yeah, right. It's super tough. I'm one of the most competitive guys out there and it is so hard for me to Can eyes when like I'm not good at writing and and to know and even worse to know like I used to be good at this, you know, if you start off as a Ferrari, but then you never drive it for four years. There's got to be things that happen. There's going to be maintenance that needs to be done. There's going to be rushing you to knock off and from a sports standpoint. You have to recognize that and you're going to have to get back to the fundamentals and you have to be savagely good at the fundamentals before you can before you can move on to an elite level. That's what you did to start off with. That's what you have to do again. And then for the same thing from a training perspective You can't jump straight back into an elite Level Training Program. If you have been trained for four five, six, how many how many years is a few years? Like it's just not going to happen. Now you may be able to advance will be quicker sure because that muscle memories there, you know, those motor patterns have been developed over years and somebody who's like, you know, just starting off from square one, but you got to respect the fact that you were an elite level at some point and you're not there anymore, but you have the capability to getting back there. So the best place to start would be at the fundamentals and then just progressing from there. I'm building off those. It's just like, you know, you trying to build a house in a weak Foundation. It's going to topple over the first storm that comes and same thing with sports same thing with training same thing that they strengthen auditioning being savagely good at the simple things and then progressing from there. Awesome. I love to that. There's like a little bit of a mental aspect to like you just got of suck it up and got to just realize that you're not going to be able to start at 100 right away and work your way up and you should respect that fact, like heck man. I would not want to it would kind of stink if somebody could take four years off of a And to be able to jump right back into low they were yeah it almost kind of downplays how difficult it was for you to get there in the first place. Excellent why it is a very well if you haven't been in it for four years, like I said, you can get there faster than probably when you got there before but you gotta respect the fact that you took time off and again that all depends to like four years of are going from 28 to 32 because and that's a big difference, right? Unfortunately just a father time because yes, but but that's what I would say start at the basics get savagely good at it and then press savagely good. Love it. Okay, next question, which it's another one of those things where I think I know the answer like the ankle braces, but maybe you'll surprise me. I don't know question is should you stretch before doing anything or warm up a bit then stretch. Should you stretch before doing anything as soon as you need to practice putting but it putting your shoes on. Hopefully knee pads first then shoes on and then just going straight into stretches. So I'll answer this two ways if I'm a player and I've got I know that I have a mobility issue or I know that working through some type of I know like my hip flexors or Tire. I know I got tight calves or I know that my hands are too tight. Then yeah get there a little early and be an athlete and work on your body, right? But if I'm a coach then no, I'm not wasting my time programming static stretching into my warm-ups. It's wasting your R time it's wasting your athletes time in a matter of fact research has shown that static like long static hold stretching will actually decrease your performance. If I'm going to be doing static stretching if I'm going to do it at all. It's going to be a key words while I'm doing some type of after a practice or after a workout or after conditioning. I'm going to be doing some static stretching working into some of these bigger and ranges improving my athletes mobility. And then I'm also probably going to be working on some breath work when I go through that as well because breathing is super important that could More podcasts in and of itself right there. And if you haven't heard of the art of breath by Brian Mackenzie, that's an excellent course for you coaches out there. I'd totally recommend that I don't get it. I have no Financial connection with those guys. They're just super smart and they know what they're doing and it would be of super good value for y'all. I will find a look and I will include it. Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool stuff. That's a long answer to say if I'm an athlete and I know I have some tissue restrictions. Yeah or some mobility issues. Yeah. I'm going to get there early before practice like before like legit practice starts, and we're getting into our warm ups. And everything and I'm going to be working on my own self maintenance myself body care. If you're an athlete you have to do that, if you're not you're shortchanging yourself. So if we as coaches have an athlete that maybe does have some restrictions. We just need to tell them you get here early stretch this out and then you'll be ready to jump in with the team. It kind of ties into the next question as well. So it will we can kind of combine them but the next question is that they do Dynamic stretching at the beginning of practice and static stretching at the end. Would you recommend just starting out with Dynamic stretching or would you? Like a warm-up game where you have your athletes play a little bit but not go all out or what. Should they do first? Yes, I'll do both. So like here's the thing your wall most don't have to be take an hour-long actually go around and present on this a different gyms to when you're talking about an adult's training program like as adults you get busy as kids you probably even busier honestly some of these schedules that kids that use use athletes have now but getting our and you're trying to get through as much as you can with some of these programs. Wings and like your warm ups don't need to be anything super expensive. So don't feel like you gotta get overwhelmed by like I have to have the perfect warm-up. What you want to do is you want to get your core temperature up you want to work in big range of motions and you want to start working into some of these more Sports specific movement. So you're going to be doing for that day. And so that when you're asking to ready to go the ready to rock, they're warmed up their little sweaty to breathing heavy to neurologically prep times ready to go and you're going to get the most out of that practice session. She's not gonna be starting off super sluggish and trying to put wake people up. I love the And some type of mental component to our warm-ups, especially if I'm working with how guys so, you know say for your warmest you have people doing some type of like jog back and forth or Sprint back and forth or side shuffles or whatever your ID. I'm gonna have I'm gonna do something where I'm like, all right. I'm going to go when the math problem equals an even number. So right instead of just right and go or hit the whistle or whatever like I'll be like, you know, I'm really been a mess. My mess is Nolan pretty sick. Yes. Well, I'm like, all right, you know and 2 plus 1/2 plus 2, so then they have to go they have to Think about it and then they have to and then react and so they're waking up their central nervous system a little bit more. They're getting a kind of shaking the fall to the rust off their busy day and they're kind of getting ready to ready to actually focused on all the logic and exactly. Yeah exactly. I love that my maths not great. Yeah, so I'll have to I think I can handle basic notion or it could be off of like, you know go when I say stay instead of a city which is even harder actually, but then we're like go and I say when you know The object is a blue the color of the object is blue or you know, just something where they're getting where they have to think that makes it for the reaction. Also. I enjoy making my players laugh or attempting to anyway, so that seems like something especially younger kids. They would have fun with that. Oh, yeah Yonkers I'd say what me my adults who love that too. It's fun. Especially the math. That's when that's when Pride. Yeah. Yeah, that's always a fun one trying to see the the gears get grinding when we're doing some math problems love it. So since we kind of are talking about I was thinking little kids would like that. You said you work with adults. Someone else did ask what age do you start training your athletes what ages are training athletes from a strange sounds like they actually there was another question here. Someone asked about starting training for your athletes. And then how do I introduce 12 and 13? So 12? Thirteen year olds to strength training with something like lightweight Med balls and dumbbells great questions. Those are heavily debated in the world of strength conditioning. But I mean right now, I mean what you trying to do when you're working with younger kids especially around the ages of 12 is look these kids barely know how to move their own freaking bodies. Let alone you don't want to load them up. Like I'm sure you know, what all these kids are walking around like baby giraffes and they have no idea how to control their body and that's and so what you want to do is you want to get these you want to get these athletes prepped. Up and ready to go and to get good movement patterns in so that when they do start they don't even have the hormones to get stronger yet. Typically there's always the exception to the rule but your typical 12 to 13 year old isn't even going to really benefit all that much from like trying to do traditional like linear progression strength training right now. You can always get into the debate and biological age versus like numerical age or what sure but overall what you want to do when you're working with youth athletes as you want to get them moving. Super efficiently teach them how a squash is look and if you want to put a PVC pipe or you want to put like some super light weight on there fine go for it, but they better be moving really well and then you don't have to be perfect. But you definitely want to be improving movement patterns before I load an athlete up with a bar or like a 12 year old athlete up with a barbell across their back. I'd probably would have them do okay. You look really good with your let your squats look really good. Now, let's go single leg. Let's see what let's see. Can we control our body now that we're on we're with one the next right? Right and then because that's gonna be a whole different Demand on the bottom and that's going to be something that's going to be really tough and you can make these body weight movements as hard you want now, you don't have to stay at body weight by any means but you definitely want to I focus on floured our focus on form focus on body control focus on Sports specific movements and just being able to move well because once these athletes move well now unless they start pick up the weight that you know, you give him a couple more years and they're starting to actually have some of these hormones that allow them to get stronger. Boom now now not only do you have reduced The risk for your athletes, but now you're going to get away better benefit there and get stronger way faster and they're not going to develop for movement patterns that develop or carry on with them all the way until they get to a Collegiate program or they see me in the clinic. We gotta change a bunch of things. So the main thing then is just to focus on while sport specific movement. So making sure that they understand how to control their body learning how to do the movements for like squats or what-have-you correctly squats. Push-ups how to jump how to land. I know there's some questions coming up about how to jump shots like yeah. How did how does it how did squat down on the single-leg how to how to run appropriately I know this is like a super vague answer to this and and you know, if somebody wants to shoot me an e-mail. I'll give my contact information at the end of this feel free to reach out to me. I have no issue with that and we can dive into it a little bit more. But again this kind of goes back to what I said earlier being savagely simple at the basics and the basics are being able to move your body and have control and know what your Doing in certain positions period period love it another great answer. Let's see. Let's talk about this is a question from an athlete. So I do get a lot of questions from Apple and I really like addressing these because I think a lot of the coaches listening could benefit from knowing kind of what they're putting in their athletes head. So yeah, this question was how do you discuss injury with your coach without? It it coming off as an excuse. Yeah. First of all, I'll say this. This shouldn't be a question. Right? Like if you're if listen if you're coach you should never have a barrier put up to where your your players afraid to come to you and tell you how they feel whether it's emotionally physically spiritually, I guess like anything like you shouldn't have those kind of barriers up like you don't have to be your players best friend, but you're at a minimum a mentor to them or you should be or you're not doing your job very well and people aren't afraid to Talk to their mentors. That's why their mentors and that's part of the job of being a coach. Anyway, I'll get off that soapbox because that's okay. I might add some more layers. Yeah, I mean because like here and here's why I say this is I was in the exact same boat when I was in high school. I played Sports growing up three seasoned athlete like my entire life my freshman year. I injured my knee. I had two knee surgeries and then I told my quad I had breast surgery my so I've missed my sophomore junior year supports devastated devastated and I go back my senior year and you know I get wound up in a tackle and a simplistic word. I blow out the outside of my right like Tour all three ligaments out on the outside. My ankle had like nerve damage fractures, but I wanted to play so bad. I didn't say a word to my coaches and then when my coaches did find out they tried they brought me into their office and they started like Raymond me telling me that like the medical world is a business and that I'm not really hurt. I'm not really interested. It's like Yeah, you know it's and you don't want to be that coach period come on know your roles know your and same thing. We as Healthcare professionals have the same conversations. Like I'm not going to go out there and I'm not going to do volleyball specific drills with people because that's not my Lane. That's not what I'm gonna do. It's not what I'm good at. It's not what and if I try to I be doing a disservice to whoever I'm working with and you as the coach should be is she had that exact same mindset like it's not your job to decide if somebody is injured or if they're faking right? That's why I have you that's these questions instead of trying to answer them myself because Your background is that kind you've trained extensively you do it every day. That's why you're answering these questions. Exactly. Yeah, we know our lands and we and we stay within those Lanes now, there's gray lines for sure. Right? I talked to coaches a lot like, you know, you're kind of like the EMT of the sport injury world. You almost to a degree like that's your first your first line. You're an athlete though. And you have those reservations. Honestly, you don't have you don't have to go to your church about an injury. And so you go and you see a medical provider, that would be if you're legit. I worried about your coach thinking that you're faking an injury. Just bypass that coach, right? You don't have to go to that coach. It doesn't sound like there's a good relationship there to begin with. I would go to a medical provider my unbiased opinion. I would go find a performance-based physical therapist who works with athletes on a daily basis don't go to your typical run-of-the-mill PT Clinic who works with Grandma and Grandpa and helps them get back from knee surgery is nothing that your get some back from Total knees and calves some stand-ups, but someone else like nothing wrong with you that's on a regular basis. Yes, because they know they're going to be able to have a little bit of a different skill set that's going to allow them to better diagnose and help you with that help you navigate through your energy. So that's going to be looking for a performance-based physical therapist is like how would you search for that? Yeah, so there's a really good group called clinical athlete. They've got a almost like a search engine for people in your area that be the first place I would go and then unfortunately from there it's going to be like word of mouth as you can reach out to me again, and if you're in a certain area, like we know a lot of people and a lot of Parts of the country. We can definitely try to help you out but clinical athlete would be the first place. I would go for sure. For example, go to a medical provider figure out what's going on figure out a game plan and let your coach know if they have an issue with that then there's I mean, there's legal things that can happen at that point. But I mean if you really want to go down the rabbit hole, but let's also I would let me say two from the athlete perspective. If you have a coach who is doubting an injury. It's probably because you've been behaving in a way that causes. Has the coach to doubt you that's not for sure. But I know I have heard a couple players in the past who I'm to run sprints and suddenly they're not feeling well, but you know, they're doing at their ankles bothering them, but then when it's time to play a fun game, that's when they want to jump in. So I'll let them sit out and then they'll jump back. Yeah, you said this was hurting but you literally doing the same. Yeah. It's now it's just fun. So that's a good point. You're hurt. You're hurt. I mean, that's a that's a great point. If you're hurt, you're hurt sit out. The only way that you can get better essentially is by giving yourself some rest and making sure that you are actually okay to continue but make sure that you're conducting yourself in a way. I practice that shows, you know, you are dedicated to the sport as a little bit of preventative work there. Yeah fleets part, but always be going 300 fractious and but you know if that hasn't been you. If you have been going hard and your coaches doubting you just because you feel that they are may be questioning whether you're hurt or not. Don't let that change your opinion. I know another personal story, but when I rolled my ankle my weightlifting coach my PE teacher, everyone was saying like, oh, you're fine just ice it get back on the court, you know, you're being a wuss and I was on crutches. I needed my crutches. I knew it was her and I ended up going back to the doctor. And there was a hairline fracture which they didn't catch the first time and I remember them saying yeah. Oh thank goodness. You weren't using this. You could have done some serious damage to it when when in reality. Everyone has been pushing me to get back on the court because they thought I was faking it and trust me. I was a hard worker, but everyone just thought I was faking it and being a wuss I think so. Yep. We can move on to the next question, but make sure you're putting in work as an athlete if you're hurt. You're hurt. Don't try and To pick and choose when to come back on the court. Just let yourself rest and find yeah, I'll include that resource that you mentioned Jacob. Yeah classic black and then get yourself some help. Yeah. That's a great Point. Yeah got to put forth the effort. You have to have a good relation to the coach and then seek the appropriate medical ailment. Okay quick break though. Do you want to just let us know a little bit about yourself like who you work with where you're located and what you do? Yeah, I'd love to sew. My name is dr. Jacobs War for all you guys who don't know or who missed the intro or fast-forwarded through it. Like I do what I do and right. Yes my background. I got my undergraduate degree in exercise science always been interested in enhancing Human Performance has been a passion of mine ever since I mean, I guess High School. I've been dealing with injuries and have to improve it myself. But after college I did about a six months long internship with a Like An Athlete Performance enhancement Center and so like, you know work I'm with you two athletes Collegiate athletes some pro athletes and terms of improving human performance for performance. And then just noticing that there's a little bit of a gap there in my skill set. And what I wanted to be able to do for people went off the PT school where I got my doctorate degree in physical therapy and then was able to combine my skill sets of strength and conditioning and physical therapy tool and me into a position where I'm at now where I work with a performance-based physical therapy clinic and Atlanta, Georgia to come pick me. Two athletes potential where we work with active adults and the Atlanta area, we work with athletes of any age. I think the youngest person had on my caseload so far down there has been like 11 years old or something like that all the way up to Olympic level athletes. We've got a couple of Olympic lifters on our on our case low. We have pro NFL players, you know, volleyball players of all different ages and it's a ton of fun and we get to work with people who are really interested in improving themselves versus people who don't really want to be there and on top of that. I'm also so a strength coach for a training facility here. The name of the jam is called stab Wellness. I really try to keep one foot and that Arena as well because coaching to the passion of mine. It's what I really enjoy doing coaching being from a strength coach perspective. And yeah, that's where I'm at. That's what I'm doing. Well and he is really good at stat Wellness. I was just there I took a class with him and I wasn't sore for days but I definitely knew I got a good workout. Yeah, it's gold goes making get just that get a good workout. But in that feel like you can't For 10 days and that was yeah, it was a good feeling. So thank you. So Jacob for that excellent work out. It was really what I'm here for. Okay, so you did mention training some volleyball players. And so the next question that we have is about specifically strength training exercises for Le barrows. Do you have any insight into that heck? Yeah, so I actually got to work with some pretty Elite level Collegiate Le barrows this past summer. I tell you what for a libero you got to have first. Up quickness period you got to be able to react have a high react ability skill sets. You got to be able to have just be have a quick lateral step. So if I'm going to be training wheel barrows specifically if I'm working with libero specifically that's where a lot of my focus is going to be on. All right, how quickly can we get that first step because with volleyball I mean, especially libero you got to be able to react quick like you're the first line of defense essentially and you got to be all set it up, right? So I'm gonna be working on single leg strength lateral strength and bilateral meetings. The side I'm going to be doing different plow metric drills to help develop that power next quickness as well agility drills that again get you lateral get did you kind of diagonal because very rarely I hope you're not like backing up too much as a libero. You shouldn't be doing that but that definitely that step forward and to the side as we were working on a ton. So I heard you say plyos and anytime I hear plyos. I just think front row so lebaron's need to be doing files as well. Heck yeah bluebells may be doing flyers and listen, like I think people don't fully understand. Climates far Plyometrics are meant to deliver or minted make you powerful period they are meant to you. They're not meant to be how many box jumps. Can you get in a minute? Like they're not meant to get you super sweaty. They're not meant to they could breathe really hard. They're meant for you to deliver max level effort every single rep and if you can't deliver a Max Level efforts on a certain set or a certain rep, then you need to back off or you need to give yourself bigger rest like these are movements. That should be very powerful very quick Max effort every single time I would be doing And there's a ton of different things. Like it's just not jumping in terms of like just straight up and down like I'd be getting I be doing single leg jobs happy getting people lateral a really good drill be doing some form of lateral bound with a stick type movement again, but working on single light control where you start off on say your left leg. You're going to jump over onto your right and you're going to land on your right leg and you're gonna hold that Landing into your nice control and you own that position and then again repeat to the next side. But yeah, I mean, that's just simple example, I'd be doing some type of cross. Silver movement as well. I mean there's there's a bunch of there's a bunch of things. I'd be getting the volleyball involved. But yeah, definitely planimetric drills in terms of getting side to side not necessarily straight up and down and jumping because that's not necessarily A libero skill set. Right the working on that side to side quickness is what I'd be doing. Love it. Awesome. Okay, the next question single sport versus multi sport, which is better for kids to stay healthy and prevent injury multi-sport next question. Nothing. That's a that's a no-brainer easy. I mean the research you can't argue with it. It's multi-sport. You look at like man. What was this crazy stat that I saw like, I mean, it's all over use a Google it and you'll find it but the amount of athletes that Urban Meyer who is arguably the point of the best. I'm a little biased because I'm a buckeye arguably one of the best coaches and Collegiate history and that just from a coaching standpoint, but from a recruiting standpoint it blue anything else out of the water and shows how many athletes he got that were. Were multi-sport athletes versus single sport athletes. Remember you telling me this? I feel like it was like five that were single Sport and then it's a ridiculously low number. Yeah, and everyone else is multi sport. Yeah, because I mean you think about it a you're moving it up watched it or move it plane. So if you play volleyball and all you do is play volleyball, you're gonna be doing the exact same patterns over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, but you do something like are you take a volleyball player now, let's go run track in the spring time. Now you talk talk talk about a volleyball player who may be doing high jump and maybe learning how to get a better. Position on how to jump higher right or how to control their body little bit better or you take a volleyball player and now they go play soccer now man their lateral quickness and they're just overall endurance and is so much stronger. It's preventing injury as well. Yes and preventing injury and something else. That's really cool that people don't really think about is just creativity and Sport and movement because think about it this way say you're an athlete since the age of 10. All you've done is play volleyball. That's it all year round volleyball. Uh-huh. That's immediately where your mind goes and anything. A certain situation is just like how would a volleyball player handle this right and then you go and you turn to a multi-sport athlete who's a stud of volleyball but it is also as a track star 2 now, they are like, all right, how would an athlete handle disposition first is versus door handle the situation here. Athlete exactly. Yeah, exactly. Like you just get create more little bit more creativity in your movements. I mean, you see you can see the transition happened a good example is basketball players Collegiate basketball players who can't make it into the NBA and then they go and they dominate in the NFL because they have a And skill sets like boxing out that it really good at for like catching passes and Tristan. So like they develop a certain skill set and they take that creativity to a different sport and dominates the position same thing can happen in any sport you could take like I just talking about with high jump with and track and applying those to volleyball if you take that if you get really good at high jump and track and guess what you're going to be able to jump through the roof when you get inside of getting to a court you're going to be a lot better at it. Probably more than probably better than anybody else you're going up against so mental too. As far as burnout I had a yeah, the mental fatigue. Oh my God. Yeah because I got sick of volleyball when I was I think my sophomore year of high school. I just like I didn't want to play anymore. It's reflecting. It's nice to go for a break and actually volleyball now has become year round with a longer Club season for most players and earlier training camps and now beach volleyball is gaining in popularity, which I actually think Beach The nice break from indoor but while still getting to play volleyball mentally anyway, but I think there's a lot to be said for taking a break and playing a different sport and just not having the stress of your constant volleyball. Gosh. I totally agree I think about any of the sports I played and I love sports but I would get sick and tired of all of them by the end of the season, you know, it's it and then miss and then miss the heck out of them when when it's when the seasons yeah. Ready to rock. Yeah. Yeah, that'll agree. I mean that's a long-winded answer to simple answer being. Yeah multi-sport. No doubt no-brainer. If you have a if you have a kid who's a really good volleyball player. The worst thing you can do for that kid is make them cycle of all the time. Okay, let's go ahead and jump to no pun intended besides box jumps. What are some exercises to help with a vertical? This is a question that everyone wants to know Jacob. How do you get a better person how you can get a better vertical? I mean, I hate to make all these answers sound like really simple to start but get stronger right? You have to be strong to jump high. This is a whole rabbit hole that we could go down into for a very let's keep it surf levels or simple other than Bachchan Bachchan is a good place to start but man the amount athletes who don't have good control over their body who are then trying to jump very high and add a Max Level effort. You can see the disconnect there. Actually. I was just working on this the other day with a youth athlete in the clinic the first thing I would do do if I'm going to try to improve jumping with somebody is I'm going to see how well they can land from that jump how well can they absorb load because our bodies are pretty smart. They're typically not going to let us produce more Force than it feels like you can handle then it can absorb this actually comes from when I was out in Colorado Springs at a symposium at the national strength and conditioning association's headquarters. We're talking about how to improve a volleyball players serving speed like a bunch of coaches were running right or like, you know coaches and then High School strength coaches or whatever. All right. So, you know, we're going to work on anterior shoulder strength or the front of our shoulder and work on strengthening that upper chest our internal rotators. And I remember I was I'll still like a just a little just a little baby in the water strength addition. I was a freshman because that's my freshman year of college in my mind was just blown by this and I'll never forget it but the guys like no he's like strengthen their back and I was like what they're back and he's like your body will not let you produce more force and it feels like it can control through the stronger your antagonist muscle group. Is the more Force you gonna be able to produce because you're going to be you're just simply going to take the governor off your body because it knows it can control it. So it's the same thing with jumping like can you control good luck? Can you control a things? Well, you better be able to do even if that's not the case and you and you and you can jump really high but you land like crap then you're setting yourself up for injury. So Landing. Well, it's not okay and that's what you're going to do things. Like Drop squats. You're going to do things like depth jumps you're going to you're going to be working on that load. Now so then go forward and get higher jumping capabilities as a I want you to be strong and period the stronger you are the more you're going to be able to jump. So by strength, I don't mean always just slots, right like for Guarantee put on Karen split squats are going to be a really good thing to do lunges are going to be really good thing to do. Step ups are gonna be really good thing to do just anything that's going to help develop lower leg strength, but then yet you got to take that strength and you got to apply power to it, right? And once you start applying power to a power is quickness, so He's like hang cleans. I think it's one of the best movements you can do for an athlete is teach them how to do it Hank link and go from there. Like that's that's a very powerful movement that crosses over very well to just about any sport but I'm gonna be hitting a ton of time metric drills. And again, that's there's books worth of jewelry. That's perfect. So, I mean, I won't dive into it too much you want more information again, hit me up, but I'm gonna be doing a ton of plyometric drills what we got. We're not just doing box jumps. We're going to be doing broad jumps, you know, we're trying to get going to get try to get power for zhanna late again. Just trying to get powerful tips the more For and snappy our hips are the better you're going to be able to produce force and the better you're gonna be able to get vertical. Once you change your direction that you're applying that Force. I mean depending on the skill level or the training level of the athletes something that I love to do to improve not just vertical jump and also speed as well as something called complex sets where essentially you are doing something going to take Daedalus. For example, by the way, not to do deadlifts. That's going to be awesome for you. Say you take something like a deadlift right? And then Then you're going to hit will say 5 to 8 reps that like 85% of your one rep max. And then you're going to immediately drop off from that and you're going to go do something like Toto hops or you gonna do you're gonna do yes. It's essentially it's where you just stand there and you and you try to jump up in the air as soon as hard as you freaking can without but with like minimal interesting, right? Yeah, or you're going to do something like you're going to do some like box jump, you're gonna do something like broad jump. So you're going to Something like single-leg box jumps, but you're essentially what you're trying to do is you're trying to prep up your like do some neural priming with that submaximal pasilla high end High efforts lift with like, you know, a compound Movement Like a deadlift or a squat and then you're going to go immediately apply that neural priming to a powerful move it like a box jump or a broad jump or a pogo jump and that has a lot of evidence to suggest that it is a very effective way of improving people's vertical jump skills, so get strong. GE and then apply that strength and a powerful way with various and learn how to land and strengthen your back so that your body knows it's in control of itself and allows you to use that strength. Well, yeah the back then it was more for service but don't just have the swing going into an attack. Oh, yeah, so I guess that's not always the case. Yeah. We're sometimes like jump setting and blocking and doing things like that. But yeah, you're a little ahead. Specific yeah, exactly you're applying couple of kids. But yeah, if you want to hit harder get a better get a strong. Well, let's go ahead and jump to that question because someone asked how do you get back muscles? And what muscles are most needed for hitters? So we already talked about vertical we can skip that way. I've got notes upon know the pop notes now about what to do. Yeah. So, how do we get those back muscles? How do you get those back muscles? What? It should be like, all right, I'll get to that question here in seconds how to straighten your back but like guys with with your strengthening and with your training protocols. Like I had a I was actually listening to this other podcast called. I think it's called just fly there were talking that a guest on there. Who's there who's a very well-known strange coach and you know, and he's made a living and he's made a very strong reputation for self office strength training and at the other day he said like, you know getting strong it's like falling off a boat and water getting strong shouldn't be this really Complex convoluted issue that we make for it. The simpleness of strength training is what is so appealing to it in my opinion. Yeah how to make your back stronger. So you're going to want to do things like we're talking about upper backs. One of my favorite upper back strength drills is going to be a bent over row or penley row. Those are going to be getting a barbell on your hand. I getting both sides your back to work together is going to be a great place to start then I want to do I'm going to be bent over rows with the sync with the dumbbell. I'm going to train my body and how to work unilaterally or one side versus the The other so your back is really good for pulling not necessarily pushing. Right? So any drill that you can do in the gym that's going to improve pulling and when you pull for your back you want to do both horizontal and vertical pools. So bent over rows I got talked about and you can get all you can get face pulls you can get really there's a ton of different horizontal pull that you can do at that. That's what I mean. When I say that and then vertical pools are going to be things like your pull-ups. They're going to be things like lat pull-downs. They're going to be things like straight on lat pull-downs. They're going to be A team that's going to really be really engaging your lattices in particular but your lats and your scapula retractors those going to be too big back muscles that you're going to want to focus on and then don't forget about your final Erectors to those are gonna get really strong with things like in particular deadlifts. I can't say the amount of like powerlifters that I work with who have these massive spinal Erectors. That's the muscle that goes right along the sides each side of your spinal column. That's an awesome live to do for that and there's a bunch of other ones but But if I had to choose one exercise of do for my back, but it's just one exercise do for my back. It would be probably the best if I had to choose my top three favorite drills for strengthen your back deadlift and then I probably have to go with bent over row and pull ups I like the specific do this do this do this. But if you're not able to do that, you can do this. I just love the specifics, but also the general is good just lift more. Yeah. I mean don't get So far down into the weeds that you get frustrated and you get a little trousers by exactly if you want to get your back stronger pull more weight period get more volume in get more time under tension is simple overthinking. Yeah, exactly. Don't get too too caught up with this that with it. But at the same time there are better things don't go to your favorite Instagram influencer and find the coolest-looking exercise that they're doing and sand and overhead because you're not going to you're probably not going to get very far with that and that's those are made for me. These anyway not because they're beneficial as just because it looks cool. Yeah, they're they're made because they look cool and you know how they in honestly, you know how they got to that through the point where they can handle this type of positions to do things that look cool. They got savagely good at the basics. So they did the things like the pull-ups and the rose and deadlifts and everything else to get nice and strong so that then they can go and do some weird-looking handstand on a med ball with a kettlebell. Caribbean right, right. Yeah, it's a okay. Don't get vertical pool horizontal poles. You can basically break it up into those two movements and your backs on you and I so strong and then throw in some deadlifts awesome. I want to respect your time. So I'm going to cut down the questions a little bit we can do like two or three more. I know there's a bunch of really good questions any ones that you see on the list that you specifically are wanting to answer what Nothing female athlete should do to prevent injury. This is a really big one because actually see no athletes are at a much higher risk than male athletes at 10 really they are. Yep. It's like a significant amount. I mean don't quote me on the number, but I think it's something as high as like 60% where it's at. It's an absurd amount and there's a lot of things that go into that acute angle and like different hormone things. But one of the things that you can do is get your lateral hip nice and strong so bilateral hip I mean outside hip so whenever you're looking at an athlete and you see their knee kind of cave in when they You're a cave-in when they jump you want them to have better lat outside hip control. So things like single length boomers are going to be really good. There's a type of training called R and T training. So literally the letters are ten. Okay T RN T training were essentially what you're going to do is you're going to have them get into a rear foot elevated split squat position and then you're going to take a band and you're going to pull that band so that their knees got it would collapse their knee in and they got to resist at band and pull out. That's a really good drill to do to help prevent some of these the positions that can lead. Lead to ACL tears. So outside hip strength is really important. That'd be my first thing and the most important thing females should do to prevent injury is lateral hip strength. Okay, so someone else wanted to know how to become a physiotherapist in Canada. So I know you go by physical therapists physiotherapists are they the same are they different also? I know you're not in Canada. So I don't know how much information you have on that, but tell us about how you got to where you are. Yeah, I mean says yo physical therapist of the exact In terms here in the States. You have to go to an accredited PT program. You have to get your doctorate degree. That's you know, seven total years of training four years of undergrad two years of grad school and then you have to take a national board exam. So that's how you become one and here in the states. I'm assuming this process is similar in Canada, but I'm not Canadian, but I am rooting for the Raptors in the NBA. There's a lot of nice, please please Kawhi. And let's go man. I'm going to see these boys to take him down. So last User submitted question. They said my daughter complains of her being sore. Even after replacing her shoes. What's up with that the old so if your daughter's feet still hurt, then what I'd recommend again, I kind of recommended earlier is I'd recommend going to seeing a good performance physical therapist who works with athletes gods in terms of shoes. I wouldn't get too worked up about the shoes being an issue because Is actually a really interesting study by the military or they took a huge number of people and they essentially split them up into two different sections the first group they were able to go pick out whatever shoe they want it just pick out a shoe that feels comfortable right and then the next group they went to some shoes specialist at really kind of looked at it like oh the pronation or supination of your feet. Well, you see you have a very long longitudinal Arch here. So we're going to put you in this specific shoe type. We're going to get this video. Now. This is of you running. I see you have a little bit too much. The super Natori twist here. So we're going to get you here. So you don't roll your ankle and then they went down that rabbit hole and they got very very specific shooting them and then they come they check back like a year later and guess what injury rates and performance are the exact same. There's no difference between the see ya crazy. Right but I wouldn't get too worked up on, you know, sure give it a try see if it helps that's a very low hanging fruit piece of piece of low-hanging. You can then you can do that might make a difference. But if your daughter's feet are still hurting does a literally endless amount of things that could be causing your daughter's feet to still hurt and you'd want to go get a trained eye on that. So again, just looking up a performance physical therapist. Is that the same thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Performance Based Physical Therapy. Yeah, or just, you know, just somebody who specializes in working with youth athletes. Perfect. We're athletes in general. Yeah. Awesome. So I did want to ask you one final thing. Just see if there's anything that Came up through our conversation or you know, since you've been thinking volleyball if there's anything any advice that you've thought of that maybe you didn't get to expand on or that you want to add before we let you go. You guys all ask really good questions and I appreciate you bringing me on and and your guys's interest in being preventative with hitch certain situations and being able to just have a little bit of a wider breadth of knowledge. I The biggest takeaway I have for you guys is don't over complicate things. You want to be really good at the basics, especially strength training. Now, it doesn't always necessarily need to be boring like being good at Basics being simple doesn't always mean boring or in a definitely doesn't always mean easy simple does not mean easy period but don't rush the process of some of these movements and some of these things that you can do and then don't get too caught up in the weeds of oh this 12 year old Athlete on Instagram is already doing this movement here for is already lifting x amount of weight or Can we jump this high? Like it's wasted energy to compare yourself to somebody else or to compare yourself to a different situation. You can only control the situation that you're in currently. That's just a great General mindset to have regardless on a fewer training if you're in volleyball, it's going to some other sports or your return adult fits. A lot of people that I work with the overall message that I have for you guys is just to keep things simple be great at the fundamentals and then don't compare yourself to where other people are and just continuously be working on making yourself. Better because being consistent with the little things makes great progress over time and that's what strength training that's with injury prevention. That's with anything. So wow. Yeah, that's what I've got. Awesome. Well, I'm super pumped about this interview. I appreciate you being willing to do this so much. I think it's going to add so much value to everyone that listens and if you are in the Atlanta area right now reach out to Jacob he he's awesome. Like I said, he'll give you a good workout to Jacob. How would someone contact you if they wanted to ask you questions, maybe follow-up questions from this podcast, or maybe you get in touch with you to just see you in your office. How would they contact you for all you Millennials out there or what's a younger one? Is it Generation Z whatever idea I don't know but for all you guys out there, are you athletes out there or whoever it's grams a very easy way to get a hold of me my Instagram. And it was dr. Jacobs for dr. Period Jacob here. It's work. That's an easy way to get a hold of me. I've got a lot of really good information out there that I try to give out to people but then also my email you can reach me at Jacob at athletes potential.com. Those are probably be the two easiest places to go home. He's be either Instagram or my email address perfect. Probably honestly Instagram, but if you don't have in the same account, we're all on Instagram all the time, right? We don't have an Instagram. We don't reach out to me via social media as really feel free to vote. Reach out to me via email. I'm very responsive to that as well to Perfect. All right, Jacob. Well, I will let you go again. That was excellent. I was trying to keep notes, but I literally could not write down the amount of information you're giving me. So I'm excited listen back to this and take notes so I can pause and everything and just yeah all the information there's so many things that I want to incorporate with my teams moving forward and I'm really surprised at how many things I thought I knew that. The thinking was off just a little bit or like what you said about shoes, you know, you would think that the people who had their specific specialist you would think that oh, well that would be perfect. But the fact that there's no difference just rethink its mind-blowing. So I like okay. I will let you go. Thanks again everyone for listening to the get the pancake broadcast and we will see you next Sunday.

In this episode Dr. Jacob Swart answers YOUR questions submitted to @getthepancake on Instagram. ------------------ TOPICS COVERED INCLUDE ------------------ + How to strengthen your ankles  + What ages to introduce strength training + Strength training for liberos + How to increase your vertical (of course) + MANY MORE (some answers might surprise you!) ------------------ SHOW NOTES ------------------ Resources and articles mentioned by Dr. Jacob Swart:  + Art of Breath online course by Brian MacKenzie: https://powerspeedendurance.com/artofbreathonlinecourse/ + Performance-based physical therapist search engine: Clinical Athlete https://www.clinicalathlete.com/clinicians + Single Sport vs Multi-Sport Athlete Article: https://usatodayhss.com/2017/a-few-surprises-in-the-data-behind-single-sport-and-multisport-athletes + Female athletes more likely to tear ACL: https://www.verywellhealth.com/acl-tears-more-common-in-women-and-girls-2549223 + Just Fly podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/just-fly-performance-podcast/id1121047188 ------------------ CONTACT DR. JACOB SWART ------------------ + Instagram: @dr.jacob.swart + Email: [email protected] Work with Jacob IRL (in real life) if you’re in the Atlanta area: + Physical Therapist at Athletes Potential: https://www.athletespotential.com/ + Strength Coach at Stat Wellness: https://www.stat-wellness.com/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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It's only been six days since we last met a lots going on. Bit the next Heather Still Still big in the news. Well, let's not even well just hold off for a sec. I mean, well first of all the block block height is 570 4311 slaw blocks getting closer to block 630,000 by the day. It's just you know, it just feels good this week. You know, I just everything just felt really I don't know. Am I being too enthusiastic and felt really like bullish this week just the Calm before the storm before the bitfenix ships shitstorm. Yeah, it could quite possibly be we wanted to start with something else. My let's jump into this. We're talking about this topic. So bitfenix tethers been in the news all week. It seems as though bitfenix to get around their their liquidity was but that 851 million is going to launch an ieo initial exchange offering I believe for 1 billion dollars. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah 1 billion dollar. I yeah, there's rumors swirling that it's already half. Half the the Rays has been committed. These are Twitter Trader rumors. We cannot confirm them. But it seems as though since the last time we met that bitfenix as a company and tether as a stable coin is held up. Pretty pretty well despite. This is my name is the premium bitfenix is what like six and a half percent right now. Yeah, I checked. I've been tracking the premium for the last few days. It was at 6.25% six and a quarter percent three days ago trickled down. It's about like five and a quarter percent two days ago yesterday started creeping back up and now yeah, it's about like six six and a half percent second-highest cyber. It's been since two years ago. Yes, correct. So that's some you look at the premiums basically created with people are looking to get out of tether are on bitfenix in particular probably buy Bitcoin on that platform, which is driving the price up you can't It's like I don't know if it's possible to withdraw. Well, it appears that it's very difficult to withdraw US dollars from bitfenix, which makes sense because that's where their money was supposedly came from the 850 million that was seized through the withdrawal process. So the proof that that US dollar withdrawals aren't working. Well is this is this premium right? Because but because if you can't get dollars out you can Arbitrage it away the only way to get money. Of a phoenix right now, which is similar to other exchanges that have been when they were failing is is you convert to bitcoin or a different cryptocurrency and then you would draw that way. So all of their pairs have premiums on them. Yeah, and this is so that premiums has materialized on bitfenix of the last week. And then this is obviously drawn a lot of attention to tether which is held its Peg pretty pretty well throughout all this chaos and there's a bunch of chatter today in particular to other trading at like 98 cents or something. Yeah things back about 97 pulling back towards the dollar but there's a lot of speculation not even speculation. It's a lot of questions out there about why I some people aren't I believe there's a premium to lend out together right now. If you're willing to lend out to shoot it's really hard to short together. Okay, you either have to do it through Phoenix itself. Yeah or through like an OTC desk. Yeah, and the rates are like ridiculously high up to 20% I've heard I think they're higher on bitfenix. I would imagine because that's like P2P like retail ish. Yeah, and especially on bitfenix. You're really Vulnerable there because a bit for next is you know, they're all different X runs tether there. They could totally just like screw at the price and shit too. They can manipulate it to take money there. Yeah. Well, we also touched on this last week to a lot of other bigger exchanges or sort of entangled and tether to so maybe there's some game theory of play where to keep the the stability of their exchanges are forced to sort of hold tether not put it out there. Market Yeah, I mean, I don't know when you have like something centralized like this. Do you ever really get like true? Like I feel like you can never really get like that proper downward exposure because you never know what could happen. Yeah, it's too tightly controlled. So the market doesn't really find itself. But obviously, you know it we haven't heard any issue surprise. I'm really surprised that we haven't heard any issues with bid for next withdrawals. Like you said, the peg is staying like decent amount and like my question is like who the fuck? Would be holding money on bitfenix or in tether right now, like who are the people that left holding it? Right? They must either be like insiders or like close to the inside that I have a lot of faith in the project because I'm just amazed. I feel I feel like they should have run out of money by now if they were. If that was the issue if the issue was like exit scam fraud type issue not government closure because I could just still happen at any time. Yeah. That's interesting The Saga of bitfenix and tether continues on it's one that we don't necessarily love here on Tales from the Crypt but it seems that the issue has been forced Upon Us in the last couple weeks. I have a fun little thought experiment. Okay, so, you know, we're just like mind your own business and like in a week or two weeks like bit for next stops processing withdrawals. They stopped processing withdrawals and then They like basically go like completely belly up within the next month. Let's just say this happens. Like how does that affect Bitcoin? How does that affect the rest of the ecosystem? It said it definitely affects the perception but it does not affect Bitcoin at all. Sure. There would be you think we would dump hard on the price like dumb part on the news. It's good question. I mean Quadriga was 190 million quadriga was like a nothing exchange. Yeah my opinion but there was a bit of hoopla after that like a lot of I know a lot of people a lot of Canadians who are on quadriga definitely think of Bitcoin in a in a worse life than they did before. They got exit scammed. Oh absolutely and definitely like Canadians of General probably a more exposure to that. Yes, so bitfenix failed. Yes. I think it would be bad for the market temporarily short-term medium-term and long-term. No Bitcoin. itself could be long-term healthy for the ecosystem just to get this this wart on the industry's ass the not from a just from a PR perspective. Like it's just like there always seems to be problems throughout the years with bitfenix and tether and it's just seems like an Avenue through which no coiners and shit coiners like to attack Bitcoin, but it really does not affect Bitcoin at the end of the day. Yeah, but if it's I agree, I mean I think like obviously medium to long term would be no effect. Definitely no negative effect. I think that I think if it's not tethered there just pick a different reason, you know, like I could see like bit Max being an easy target as well. And I personally hope that we will always have you know. Like the more the more Cowboy ask elements in in the Bitcoin space like you as regulations are have a huge overreach. So whether or not you know, the specific situation of been given X and tether like I hope we see a lot of these companies like like bit Max that you know, don't do kyc don't you know do things the Bitcoin way Yeah, and this is this actually brings up wasn't on our list. Maybe it wasn't our list. I haven't seen it yet. But now I don't think it was you. I saw you and I responding to CZ today and his explanation for why they need to implement kyc a mallee saying it's to stop hackers and fraudsters and to help users. But you made a very is the third company they've hired in like a month. He just and they're not firing the other companies. They're just adding on top of it chain Mouse is company. It's a chance. Alice's company and they're doing what we talked about those shotgun kyc request for they lock your account and won't let you withdraw and he's not and he's selling it as security bonus, but I guess it's like kind of security for him, but it's not security for his users. It just puts them in more risk, and he didn't respond. He didn't respond. Yeah, let's put it in layman's terms puts users are more risk as you just have your information out there and some data Repository. Held by somebody that could be bitfenix tin the future. Yeah. I was talking to some of these people like they were Anonymous already. And then they have to do kyc and like-likes easy saying it's like for like account verification likes easy has nothing to verify it against there's no person on file to begin with, you know, that's the first so like that does it doesn't even if you get your account hacked it doesn't help you in that situation because the hacker will just do the kyc or just get a straw kyc person do it like have someone else do the kid was he so there's some orwellian wordplay at play here with the by now. Is implementation of kyc. It just comes down to that that Regulators are compelling this stuff and finance has become that big of a Target, you know, we saw it happen with bitch extra saw it happen with Polo and now by now it says become this big of a Target that they have to if they interact with the you know, the traditional banking system. Yes, which is also you know bid for next for the longest time. Like how do you imagine moving billions of dollars without permission without Bitcoin? Like with actually US Dollars like that's insane. Yeah, I think I think save just three it out. It was like a 220 million dollar Bitcoin transaction that happened yesterday. I think the fee was like three dollars or something like that just crazy thing. Some people are speculating on siwell moving moving to dump but who knows that's was the funniest about all this shit is every time like a lot of people don't know like gox like was also just a fraudulent business. They what really tipped it over the iceberg was they had money seized to in a u.s. Bank account and I feel like every time this type of thing happens. It just people always blame Bitcoin for it, but it actually proves the value prop of Bitcoin that you know that we do need a value transfer protocol that we can just easily transfer value around the world. That's why we have a Bitcoin and good segue here because the latest release of Bitcoin was released last night. Night version 0.1 8.0. Is it considered a major release? I guess yeah, we're on from 17 to 18 now. Yeah. Yeah. So with this comes a couple of upgrades of running a node could be could be opportune time to upgrade and start testing this out one known issue. This is for advanced users. You've enabled coin control and are using multiple wallets with the HD feature. The core developers are recommending that you do not use coin control features if you have To while it's loaded up and then speaking with the wallet sub-project a Bitcoin core now provides Hardware wallet interaction scripts, which allow you to interact with your Hardware wallets and the Bitcoin core while it via the command line. So bunch of cool upgrades haven't gone through all of them yet still have to but yeah that drop last night. We'll put a link if you're running a full node. You can update that now. The Hardware's while its supporters really is a big deal. It's a huge step in that direction. And that's I think I think that's the same. That's what Wasabi used to integrate harder while its support in their wallet. And I think that'll be like a huge Advantage for people to run their full nodes is that they could actually use their Hardware while it with them. Yes, I think in this upgrade also, it's forcing miners to recognize seg wit transactions as well. Yeah and the get blog template. Yeah and again get blog template help. Get as much fees as possible. But I yeah, I think and like pretty much every minor already is unless they fuck something up because otherwise you just wouldn't make as much money. Yeah, they've included like an error message to let you know that you're not not making as much money as you could it's Bitcoin version 0.1 8.0. It's out there another big thing that was in the news yesterday Square announce their quarterly earnings from the first quarter and their cash app. Their cash at team on their platform sold sixty five point five million dollars worth of bitcoin stack in sad stack and SATs freaks disclaimer obviously catch up sponsor of the pot. But hey, do you think hashtag stacking SATs had any influence on this? You know, I like to think I like to think so but you know, I think definitely they didn't they report that most purchases like it was very distributed very small amounts of Yes, another interesting thing is like this in catch the run-up in early April which is second quarter. So right exactly. So I think I think it really shows the power of just the masses like large amounts of people just buying small amounts on just weekly basis to stack and SATs. Yeah, and that sort of lays into what I touched on in the been today is again, maybe these incumbent companies like a square which has an established Revenue stream via its Point of Sales services and his merchant services and everything is built up to this point. Maybe it's easier for them to implement and spread Bitcoin because they are one already have a bootstrapped user base with all their clients and app users and then to they're able to sort of laser focus on Bitcoin in particular. To worry about other revenue streams provided by the risk of getting into all coin trading and stuff like that. No offering tokens that token Casino if you will so I touched on this in the fence and I think maybe squares the first not the first but one of the biggest probably Overstock You could argue has been in it for a while, but they're not on level of square I would argue but I like in a Convent institution stepping in being able to provide Bitcoin with like an on ramp that doesn't need to sort of bootstrap. Beep bootstrap a whole user base right like a like a nap. They already have 15 million users. Exactly. It's early without Bitcoin. It's like the number one app on the app store. Number one Finance after last two years without Bitcoin like the majority of users that are downloading. It aren't even downloading it for Bitcoin. They're just downloading because cash up so dope app and and right there in two clicks. They just have Bitcoin at any point if they if they so desire And who knows the Integrations they could do like could be they you know, they could there's there's multiple different paths here. They can go down. Yeah, so and it's interesting that this Revenue growth is happening in the depths of a bear Market as well, which is extremely promising. Yeah Revenue like massive growth. I mean Larry Larry from the Block he was he was La Master Lemaster yet. He was making fun of projected square cash app growth chart and it was like by like 20 24 cash. I would be selling more Bitcoin than the total Bitcoins in circulation. and like obviously like there you can't sell more Bitcoin than our total in circulation. But like you really like start to think like how much that like adds up like when you have like access to bitcoin so easily just so many people and so few people own it right now like, You know you really start to unreal. I have any of that. Yeah and like house scares Bitcoin really is pretty crazy. Yeah, I mean that's what we talked about with Tom and Tom Garrett boat. And Johnny Dilly few weeks ago is that these bull runs are precipitated by on-ramps being produced that make it easier to buy Bitcoin. Where in 2017 to get set up probably took three weeks between initiation of a coinbase account to really selling Polo accounts. You remember that shit. Like and people are trying to buy Bitcoin and I would have to wait weeks. And now I'm in cash at probably take a couple days to get your account set up in your bank account hooked up. You only refined it was see after you and when you only when you enable Bitcoin do digital kyc, is that it I'm not positive. Yeah, I'm trying to think like if you're just a cash app user do you actually have do you have to do more verification than you already did to enable Bitcoin? I think to which were all possibly it happens at the withdrawal process. Possibly. I think it might be when you activate it. But either way it definitely requires more right? Yes. It's a selfie. Yeah selfie or a driver's license picture belief. So it'll still take like a new my point is it will still take like a regular cash app user if they wanted to buy Bitcoin. I'll take them like two days or something. Yes the first time and then even so once you if you are set up already instead of having to wait five days the ACH transfer and then five days for the Bitcoin to hit your coinbase account, you get it immediately and send it to a treasure within minutes, right? You already have it yet still the quickest way even with that process and new users will feel way more comfortable doing that with with a company like Square, you know publicly traded billion dollars. Break billions of dollars and so this then like a rando. So this ties back to like what I was touching on a bit earlier like does do you think like incumbents are sort of waiting on the sidelines? Like for certain Lindy threshold to be hit again. I mentioned in the been today, I think a decade is a big mental sort of checkpoint for a lot of people. Do you think you think These Guys these a lot of incumbents are waiting on the sidelines just looking at Bitcoin startups killed themselves. Figuring out how they can perfect like an onboarding process just to come in later sort of takeover. I think there's a huge difference between nine and a half years and ten and a half years. It's just some weird human psychology thing and this is not to like discourage Bitcoin starts. I think it's just something I'm curious about. I mean they're going to try to you know, whether they'll be effective at doing that or not is is yet to be seen. I mean, we're seeing it with cash app versus like a coinbase which was like the main America it still is the main American point of adoption. So will you know we'll see how that plays out. There's probably room for for both of them coin basis, like kind of an exception when it comes to bitcoin startups though because it's like the like the heavyweight in the room vc-backed and whatnot. I don't know I think like something like coin kite like you can't replicate coin Kite from a big business. Like there's no big business that's going to come in and make bitcoiners by you know, Lose faith in Rodolfo and coin kite unless you know, he does something completely separate from that big business coming in but like he's carved out a really strong Niche and reputation. There's like a web of trust their element the guys at Treasure have the guys that take TFT. See we have to watch our backs from like the accompany media try to come in. They went like CNN. Just trying to take her jobs. Yeah. It's going to happen at some point. We just hope you freak stay with us, you know been around no no ice. I don't think any income is going to come out like better Hardware like then Rudolfo or a treasure or Ledger like so like an interesting one is like a think on-ramps is like a very specific vertical where they could easily easily take because they Flex their regulatory muscle right there their Fiat compliance like Square already had banking relationships and everything. I think with like exchange products you could see that, you know, really easily you see it would like the Futures. You know what CME futures I'll bid for necks. I bit Max has to operate in like a complete legal gray area and have no Fiat connections CMEs just has full banking privileges. So yeah, like II absolutely anywhere that it connects to like the an interesting one will be like Fidelity like the Fidelity versus like a zap. Oh, right, right. Let's go to see like fedele has people like Bob mcelrath on their team. I'm sorry if I Your name there Bob if you're even listening to this, but he seems like to know what he's talking about. And it seems like they snipe somebody who's very sort of aware of the nitty-gritty stuff that's going on with in Bitcoin, which is what you want to see. Oh, yeah. No exactly. That's why it'll be interesting. Yeah, I mean infidelity is like an extremely established custodian but then Zappos an extremely established Bitcoin custodian. So yeah. Should be interesting to watch it all play out. Zap. Oh, this is a small tangent here. It's a company with CEO when societies are as is one of the few people in the space who has had the balls to swallow his pride and with that he was wrong the only one right? Yeah. Literally the only birds that you applied who apologized for Sigma 2 x shout-out to winces a true man of Honor. I don't think there was a single other person. I don't either of like the top dogs. I didn't look too far into this. Amazon manage blockchain takes aim at Central I should point. This one was fun. You like my headline. That was a great headline could have my know they can just like they they called him decentralized apps which is hilarious but that you can just spin up a blockchain. I think what is it hyper wave? And the theory of right now is what they've hyper Ledger Fabric and aetherium similar to what Azure did yeah, but now Amazon is doing it. Okay. I just it was like another day like If you have a centralized project like I can just spin up one right now on AWS and like I'll have amazing connectivity and whatnot. Yes was pretty predictable. This is this meaneth areum's getting adoption know it does is not any it's not I guess like it helps them like test apps and stuff. They have like that going that Advantage but it doesn't it's not any meaningful Amazon's not like using etherium. Will it eventually be connected? No. Good questions. Yeah, that's is a it's the normal ones. Yeah, we should find out. Yes, that's things completely expected. Facebook's is unless either but they're turning their very private private privacy conscious now, apparently they're working on a blockchain as well. Do you have faith in that broad? I need the blockchain for the Privacy. No, I mean they're just private in there just it's just lip service. They're just giving lip service obviously, you know, and they're adding the blockchain buzzword. Also unlike a i to moderate things with machine learning. They love all the buzzards and they bought a PR Company. Turn them all together. Yeah, I have not been on Facebook for about eight months now and I've never been happier. I deactivated. I deleted my account couple years ago. I don't miss it at all. Delete. Delete delete. This was cool. It's dropped yesterday. I was happy to see this not a huge fan of this product because I don't think is the best way to get access to bitcoin the product being gbtc offered by gray scale Investments, but they dropped a hell of a meme of a an expensive commercial man campaign so that drop goal.com if Reset will put the link in the show notes obviously drop goal.com gray. Scale Investments is advertising their GP T. See it's Barry sobered Sarah Silverman its way to get an excuse me exposure to bitcoin. It's very limited very little vague ETF. So basically a fake ETF trades at a very high premium leaves like twenty percent twenty to twenty-five percent of time preview changes. Yeah, just based on a date. I own like a certain amount of Bitcoin and then they keep there's a Redemption process where you can add to the amount that they hold and basically Arbitrage is a premium, but that process takes a year because it's not a true ETF. It's like I don't know. It's like I'm pink sheets or something. Yeah, it's something she's so there's that there's that premium there but it's an investment product that a lot of people like it because you can use it for your retirement accounts and stuff like that in America at least. Yes, so Drop gold campaign is them basically hitting Bitcoin verse gold buy gold buy Bitcoin byye gold bu I Bitcoin it was a very they say that in the video. I don't know if they said it in the video, but it was on the landing page. It was in their copy Oh, I thought that was your I thought you wrote that you came up with that. I was like, I'm already that's a great medium. Well done that. Well, yeah, it wasn't in there was two headlines once said by gold and then I give a little Spiel the next one said by actually feel sort of combine them. Them help them out a little bit simplified the message for them. But again, like this is incredible messaging is going to be blasted out to normies all across America. I think it's gonna be on like CNBC commercials and shit like that. Yeah, and I think expensive commercial. Yeah, I can see it's definitely I would not be surprised to see it on CBS on Sundays watching golf but it's going to be it's great guerilla marketing and I think one thing beautiful that it seemed a little selfless on their part of just basically Bitcoin versus gold didn't really pump gbtc too hard. I think it's like the gold verse Bitcoin is like it's kind of like a false dichotomy. I think Bitcoin Superior to Gold but I don't think it just completely replaced. Like I think like to quote Litecoin like I think gold is like the silver to Bitcoins gold, right? It's a back-up plan. Yeah, and it's like a physical kind of a physical scarce representation, but the important thing about this is its triggering a ton of Old bugs and there's going to be this whole debate that happens while they try and prove it wrong where people are basically comparing the properties of Bitcoin and gold and that's got to bring some new people in Bitcoin is going to win out on Merit there. We would we would argue and like just qualities. It has better money. Yeah, and the few freaks haven't seen the commercial yet the Sort of visualization that the commercial brings to light. It is like trying to transport gold people are carrying it like chain purses and wheelbarrows and dollies and stuff like that. And then like the second they dropped the golden like took the Bitcoin they were just they were sprinting and they were free and they were running and everyone was like young and good-looking. It was it all down a Wall Street that had to be expensive to shut down Wall Street to get that supposedly. They've someone said they filmed in Buenos Aires. Really? Yeah. I don't know. That's just a random tweeter. Responded to my to my tweets the replicated the Wall Street subway. Stop. This is that very, well, then maybe not. Maybe they didn't who knows that was just a random Tweeter and now follow up on it at all. So you Americans out there. That should be coming to a TV screen to hear you be on the lookout for it just awareness drop goal.com. This is going to be better than the bitpay Super Bowl or excuse me college bowl sponsorship. I think it's very but I think honestly, I think There's a lot of things that were better than that. I was going to like starting. There's so many that were that were better advertisements than she's in the bit my hand. I'm going to give some props Roger ver I think is Bitcoin as the honey badger money. That was a pretty good meme. That was a big billboard, right? Yeah. That was a good one. Yeah. So again be on the lookout for that taco and like that's obviously custodial. They're not your keys. Yeah. Yeah like it's used for most people you Of custody your own key is not your keys. Not your coins for most people I would imagine the process of getting access to GPT C would be too arduous. They would just choose something like the cash up anyway, but this is going to pump Bitcoin no matter what Not it's not going to pump the point when I say pump no matter what guys know, I mean pump in an average is going to advertise bit. Yes. Yes, it'll end. It should increase adoption. I would say priests awareness pump awareness. That's absolutely not the price tell you about awareness. They blockchain cap had that new study that was like nine of ten Millennials. I have the extra pair the cohorts were more granular than just Millennials. I think it was like 1825 year olds. I was even smaller. Yeah 9 of 10 have heard of Bitcoin. 11% of Risperidone Let me pull this up. It seemed like a lot of people have heard of it. But a lot of people don't most don't own it. This isn't it. I'm pretty sure I put them there and then the other one was Fidelity Fidelity surveyed 400 institutional clients and I think 22 percent said they already held Bitcoin or another digital asset and 47% including that 22 percent said that they wanted exposure in their portfolio. Yes, so I got this unblocked chain capital. Study a Bitcoin awareness is gone up to 89 percent from 77% overall from the fall of 2017. When we were in the midst of a bull market mind you to the spring of 2019. Let actually a couple weeks ago. I believe the data was collected. Yeah. So we're in this is at 90% between 1834 year olds almost 90% of between thirty five forty four year olds almost 90 percent across the board. A lot of people are familiar with it 43% have a respondents had a positive connotation with it where it was 34% the fall of 2017. So across the board at least it seems that people are more aware of Bitcoin and more the tribute tribute a positive feelings to it more than they did a couple of years ago and but they don't own it. They don't own it. I believe ya. So Nick Carter really try to cross. Numbers of the total number of Americans. This is all Americans to mind you that were that were surveyed he crunched the numbers and it's a number like 25 million would have owned it if those projections are true, which seems a bit High there's no way I feel like it's got to be lower than 25 million own Bitcoin. Yeah, but somebody in the somebody respond to send Nick in that thread znd Toshi leave. Yeah, he's in a non and he actually brought up a good point. That people may have just been sort of virtue signaling that they own because they see it as like a think of status like yeah, I don't Bitcoin like yeah, I mean on it like plenty of people lie about yeah having stack sets which is like another and I guess we get into service the survey is obviously not foolproof a hundred percent. I'm looking at the sample right now and like they had like pretty good samples 2,000 people 2029 people and it's like split up pretty well. They actually They surveyed more women than men interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. I you know, I think the interesting thing is every time when you start your podcast your interview series you say how did you get into Bitcoin? A lot of people almost all the people actually say they first heard about it and they just dismissed it and then eight months year and a half two years later, whatever. Or something brought them back in and then they jumped in I you know, that's how it happened to me. I think that's how it happened to you. Yep. So all these people they've been primed there. They are aware of it. Now now just needs to jump back into their Consciousness another time or another two times and bang bang bang bang is right, maybe a grayscale help us with that that Consciousness jumpstart that but again, this is slowly but surely Shirley and I think the one thing that Spencer pointed out in his conclusion with this is a reference it as a mega demographics sort of trend and it's the youth leading it and sort of understanding Bitcoin more innately than the older Generations makes sense for a lot of reasons, obviously because we are internet natives at least people. Our age are I would say I'm just on the cusp. I remember life without the internet, but it wasn't too long. Really AOL. Yeah, we get AOL chat rooms. I got AOL in the back of the Millennium Backstreet Backstreet Boys album. I'm pretty sure but again, it's just it's more natural like a conversation with Jack. He said you look at kids. Now. I've got nieces nephews cousins of kids. There are two three years olds. They already know how to enter their parents passwords find pictures of themselves and stuff. Like it's going to be more an 8 for them. That's another reason and another factor of this is probably I like generational. I don't know if they Envy but like hey, we sort of got the shit end of the stick here and maybe Bitcoin could provide a better future. That's what I would imagine sort of are the reasons for that that demographic push from the younger people to sort of come to pick one more easily. Yeah. I mean, I feel like Yeah, it's it seems like it's like one of those every once in a while like a generation has like an opportunity for like massive wealth transfer events. Is it every generation though? No eyes every every so often a generation gets that chance like we saw the like the I don't know what generation they were. But like if you're in like that prime age group of like 22 to 30 in like the late, 70 is going into the 80s like in finance like you just made fucking bank. Yeah, or like real estate or something like that. We were nearing opened up the credit this or excuse me, the collateralized debt obligation markets really writing jackets off. They just like everything exploded and it's just right place the right time. So it's that's not unheard of for that to be the case. And I think that young people in general are it's easier for them to grok and understand. And the shit having value online and they have much less to lose. They they've been sold a bad rap. They're young. They can take higher risks. So like I'd be really surprised and I think we see that in Bitcoin. I think it's skews young in general. Yeah, I would say with a lot of certainty that it definitely does. I mean, I love are older like a older community, but shout out to bitcoin Tina. And now you're listening but like we definitely it definitely skews younger. I would say and I think that's going to be awesome I do as well because because the older folks they talk down to us, you know, expect the older no corners or the worst Learners if they have more to lose, right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'm excited to watch them lose it. Speaking about losing it lose that this chain analysis companies following you enjoying the people who were coin joining on the Bitcoin Network recently. I believe Kyle torpy reported this on Long hash.com coin joined Bitcoin payments have nearly tripled in account for four point zero nine percent of all transactions on the network. It's not a huge number, but you know, it's not too shabby that is looking at that chart. It's funny going back. The coins are very popular in like 2012. They made a Resurgence in 2014. Yeah, but they were worse implementations. The early ones were like people testing there's a lot of mixers to back the yeah, but those don't show up as a coin. That's true in that chart. Yes the big hump that it looks like we were doing really well and then we like loss progress was blockchain doubt info shared coin service, which was like Queen George. Your browser and there was a lot of issues with that implementation. So like even though like I remember using that you never did you ever use shared come I never use the blockchain that I don't feel. Well. Well I use a gesture shared coin because you know, I wanted to try it out a river. It was just horrible. This is a horrible experience and supposedly like the Privacy wasn't I think you had a huge obviously trusted them, you know, it was going through their servers and everything and then as a result they were liable. So they they made themselves like a regulatory Target at the same time and it just was ineffective from a privacy perspective. So that's like this is really the best on the best percentage the strongest the strongest use of coins that we've ever had. I would say yes, and it's rising and like we said I had a massive I like I would be awesome at the price Rose at that rate. Just everyone's just it's awesome to see ya like we said privacy loves company. If you're not going joining and you're looking to I know can be stressful stressful for me as well. We're not just pretty simple right? It's pretty simple, but it is stressful moving moving you tx's yeah. I mean, I think like if you move like a small amount, I mean The minimum is point one. So that's like five hundred dollars. So it's like impossible to really move a small amount. So I guess I'll take that back. But if you start with like smaller amounts and like get used to it, like that's good. Yes, and the u.s. Is getting better. And while we're on this topic Samurai, they're entering their main that testing phase for their Whirlpool, which is another sort of another coin joint join to another way to Mix up your you tx's and develop some sense of privacy Yeah, the more the merrier as many as we have so they were going through testing right now. They're doing so it's Abby's doing rounds of a hundred. At Point 1 minimum. I've seen samurais doing Point half the minimum half the amount because you have to do coordinated amounts. Everyone has to be sending the same amount no matter what otherwise you can't mix them together, but Samurai plans to because they're using smaller round sizes like five. It's quicker, you know the sake of some privacy it's quicker and and you get you can do way more denominations. Nominations because you can spread your liquidity out more. Yeah. So 250 million satoshi's is the minimum. Yeah, not 50 million if 50, right .05. Or five zero five million. Yeah, that's five million. Smarty math for you. Well, you're really fucking with me five million. I was like, there's no way it's definitely yeah five million citations excuse and yeah, there we go. I'm sorry. Well, at least we got it at least you got it thinking inside. So because started thinking that's night. Saw the demo somebody demoing. I don't know it was this Whirlpool or the Coots thing they have where you you can just in person coin joined by like scanning the QR code then you scan. Urk, yeah, that's their other. That's I think Hoots. Okay. So that's they're calling it right? I haven't I haven't tested either yet. I'm in the I've been meaning to test out the samurai Whirlpool, but I haven't yes and and Cahoots. I need someone to be in cahoots with so I'm working on now. Yeah, but yeah, that's like a small person coin joint. Yes, and they're with us now. They're gonna they plan to open source everything in the Future, correct not yes. Yes the back end. I don't think is still is still not open source. Still not open source So that's its is there there's a degree of trust there where you're running stuff through their servers, but they plan on moving away from that in the future. Right. Yes, and now they have tour integrated so Presumably they can't link your IP. Yes. Thank you for bringing up tour. We talked about this last week like run around toward Road was a Pierre or Max Hildebrand. I don't think they brought to our attention, but they brought the somebody's attention on Twitter that have tour goes down. You should have to have a kill switch internet because it sort of exposes you it's like you're a tornado goes down. Yeah while your information is running through it. So just be cognizant of that and like a lot of vpns to The first of My Views tales with tour it automatically it only connects us to tour a lot of vpns like in the VPN app or in openvpn if that's what you use or whatever you use like, there's usually like a checkbox to kill it when there's because you don't want it to just switch to clear nut. If you're doing all of a sudden it's just the nodes open and unclear net. Yeah. It's just like ripping your your All off if you're walking through the house. It was gonna be able to see your private parts. Or what you thought was private. Bad joke. I know I was just thinking about about the kill switch issue. Yeah, it is. So it's the issue is that of tour goes down on your device? You don't want you don't want it to all of a sudden be broadcasting whatever you're broadcasting. And if you're at your node if your nodes running through tor If you were if your nodes running through Tor and then Tory gets killed the node needs to stop running instead of continue to broadcast. Yes. So just be aware of that. I do not know of any sort of Simple Solutions to that off the top of my head. Well, I'm trying to if like for instance like Casa doesn't even run their node through through tour to begin with I'm pretty sure they only run the lightning portion through tour. I have to admit as the not I'm curious with the if the novel has a kill switch for their tour. Integration and then whoever who commented on Twitter about that thing was Pierre Max Hildebrand. I'm not positive. There was someone responded that so what I was talking about was like a software level kill switch. So that's that's like if the node just at the software level realizes tour goes down and it just shuts it. It just cuts it cuts the internet. I feel like there could be a fan function. Like if this isn't messaging through Tor than don't send it. Yeah, but there is but the guy who ever responded was like you still might leak there's so much like if you really do care about your privacy, like I think the only way to properly do it is separate Hardware. Like basically you have like a piece of Hardware in between everything that that runs that logic so that you can cut it out from the hardware level not rely on any of the software to do the right thing and make sure you don't leak any actual so like, you know privacy like it's just always trade-offs between convenience and privacy and convenience and security and hopefully these types of issues will become easier for the end-user. Hey, we're here to highlight pain points for all you Wiley entrepreneur. He's out there. Okay, these you guys see these issues and they aren't solved yet. Get out there fucking solve them probably should attack this onto the blockchain survey, but Fidelity surveyed 400 institutional investors dropped that while you were while you were supposed. Yeah, I was searching. All right you to drill this out. I gave that exact style, right 22% I have already already have exposure for 47. Exposure makes sense. You're 47, right? Yes. See I even have the numbers memorized. That's a good one. That's a really good one. 22% is still not that many of them. No, it's Marty's trying to do math in his head right now. It's not happening. 78% left. Yeah, and who knows how much the 22% and they probably don't even know that much. They're just dipping their feet and that's again slowly. But surely it's happening. Again. Lindy comes into effect. Every block that Bitcoin produces just makes it more probable that are survive into the future and the fact that it's becoming more probable that are it'll survive into the future is forcing these institutional investors these big public companies. And other in governments even to sort of think about this. It's a thing that they had to deal with out. I think the majority they said 47% were interested 22% already owned it. So that's 25 percent difference those 25% Like basically what they're waiting for is they're just going to fomo by in it like a little over 10 K and then that's just gonna be like they were Wait for the confirmation another stat out of this which may be more important is that financial advisors and family offices respectively have a 74 percent 80 percent favorable view of digital assets Bitcoin probably being the number one digital asset on their minds and those are the people selling to to the people with money. So that's good to see as well. Yeah. I mean, I think it's an easy sell for family offices and why not? One percent as our boy wences would say more institutions getting into The Fray E-Trade is joining the party this news dropped. I believe while we're recording last week. They plan all for Bitcoin trading to their five million customers and this just loose back to what we're talking about early is a Cummins basically creating just more infrastructure on ramps. Is this like a Robin Hood where you can't you're not gonna be able to access to your keys. Obviously the same with TD Ameritrade and shit. Yeah. It's super easy for them to integrate this. And like a lot of people are going to use it. Yeah, so he trades joining the party joining Robin Hood TD Ameritrade Fidelity other other big institutions. That's crazy. Like that is absolutely insane. Imagine if we had that infrastructure in 2017. Can this can this bullish fundamental news? Overcome the the bearish news of potential it featherbed phonetics is going to I mean, you could go just like it you guys are two ways basically, right? Yeah, but I think no matter what like we're gonna have to talk about tether and Bedford X4 like way too long for some for it's like nothing's going to happen quickly unless it just all implodes T think nothing good. Nothing good is going to happen quickly. Let me there the possibility of something just being Rosie and everything going great and not having to talk about it. All the time is 0 there's no way that happens, especially with this Ico. They're doing in shit. He has before next about the Red Wedding us like everything's all cheery and then they just everyone dies. You know that be exciting use a little bit more excitement. It's been it's been a pretty boring six months has it been so it hasn't been born at all. It's true. It's never boring. Maybe we're just jaded or I'm just jaded jaded about what just been seen too much shit. What kind of shit? Where should we start? I mean should we go all the way back to like 2013 the the altcoin launches remember that Kurt went David Seaman was going around pumping hyper hyper coin when I always forget about Dave what's price was was launched in Zeta coined our coin Drake dear Rach. That was some shit get an exit scammed by men pal. I was that was my hard first lesson. No matter what. Well, no matter what era, there's always an exchange that everyone thinks is going to be the best exchange for ever and ever and just dominate everyone else and no one else has a chance and like right now that's Finance like for solid period there it was been pal. I feel like you know it never really I don't think it was ever like the main Exchange on the topic state, but it was like oh ways for around that. That's such a good Mutation and it just yeah, apparently the the founder of been Pals Superior huge scumbag pretty sure it's a domestic abuser and shit like that and then just took that's pretty fucked up just took a bunch of people's obviously big one's fault. Yeah anyone's fault that he's as shit person you remember neon be this rings a bell. Yes. It was like the bank in Cyprus. Danny Brewster's yeah Danny bruisers and he sold an IPO or I mean, I guess I was supposed to stand for initial exchange offering but he sold Equity of niobium is going to be like a big coin bank and like Cyprus was going through shit at that point. So it was like the Venezuela situation where I was, you know, Bitcoin kids help Cyprus. Yeah. And yeah that just that whole thing just completely imploded on itself. I've come a long way since that era. I thought that was going to be the future I won't point. I was like, yeah, they're just gonna be like Bitcoin. tanks in the corner Hey, we don't know there may be in the future gonna like do like customer support us, but I don't know say guesses we have that. Yeah, I ciose of just ahead of its time going to an ethereum meet up and having them pitch. I see as the company like the day after Vlad was like, please do not build critical lapse on ethereum. That was a another thing to Jeremy little nuts. There was a couple months there where I just I just thought I was like maybe I was wrong, you know, like maybe and it's funny because a lot of people, you know, like you get that during the bear Market but like I gotta during like the height of 2017 bull market because like none of it made sense. The like the token crazed the whole Ico fucking mess. I was just like maybe madhu I am I missing something am I an idiot like what's going on here? And I know this is a good segue into the last topic which is ethereum dot-org officially updated their website with your eith is money. Now youth is money now. So this goes in is like that token economy didn't make sense token economy built on Arc 22cans fueled by gas, which is ether it was always money like people every like every A new even during that the Ico and shit. It was just all marketing. Yeah, so they've changed our marketing they pivoted from Unstoppable touring complete World Computer Applications to fueled by Ether which is gas to I believe a decentralized finance platform with ether as the money token. Is this is this goalpost moving? Is this sharpening The Narrative? Is this a pivot? What is this? Yes, I would say all of those but I mean look we've all been saying that eith is a competing is a competing money for like the longest time. So for them to admit it is like that's got to be a positive right? I don't know. I'm like happy about that like now like like if you compete on terms of money like Bitcoins is the better money like Bitcoin is the best money we have now degree. I just think it's Various watching the ethereum thought leaders sort of adopt the Bitcoin narratives that pick winners have been trying to educate them on for years and now it seems like they're finally coming around will be able to out-compete pick one. We shall see I'm not too optimistic on that, but you're not you're not optimistic on ethereum now not too too optimistic even know what a theorem is going to be. I've yeah, I mean, I'm not positive any of their mind but will include the ethereum dot-org included in the show notes. You can just go to it if you want to go to but it was interesting. I thought was a they put money like three times on that the front like it's money now like they went full it wasn't and the site has been a Cause for contention over the years because they haven't updated it since like 2014, I believe. Yeah, I went back. Did you go back to the archives? I saw the one somebody posted the archive link to a certain State. I was just going I you know you go to like Archive.org and you can just click through all the different years and it's pretty interesting watching you can see the pre-sale like it's just pretty interesting watching it progress. Yeah. What's going on? Programmable po W is that I believe they're taking the foot off that gas pedal. I'd say I'm probably I don't have no idea who the hell knows. I haven't been following it. I think I heard rumors are taking their foot off that really I'm not sure I was surprised that I'm good for them Prague power was a I don't think it was a good idea. So yeah, that's all got four topics. We got a few minutes to riff here. I think topics on top of your head. We're going to be a bit block boom and the San Francisco Bitcoin conference 2019. I think our codes are a jar for both our HR for both. I'm gonna be at the value of Bitcoin conference in Munich in June to speaking about Bitcoin and traditional banking. This is cool conference. It's bringing a big winners in bunch of German Bankers together sort of pitch Bitcoin excited for that. I guess one thing to Riff on here To end it too is that I guess there was an article in Queen desks or Venezuelan came out. Basically saying that Bitcoin is not a Panacea for Venezuela shouldn't be marketed that way and it's something we agree with here at TFT. See it's absolutely we've said it many times. It's not a Panacea. It's simply a tool that is available. If Venezuelans want to use it and you really want to have it before the crisis happens. Yes, they give you get sag really hard to get afterwards, you know. This is way more difficult. The ideal situation is to have big one. First I have something to Riff on is Bitcoin a Ponzi scheme. Whoo. This was Fudd that I thought thought of this is extinguished as from the stripe guy. What is this from the stripe guy? Yeah, this is from twitterers tweeters. Yeah, like people So my belief with Bitcoin is that it's a scarce asset. So the more people that buy it the higher the price goes, right. The but the higher the price goes like when we have those price pumps like I think it's the main driver of new Adoption, like people actually here about Bitcoin and pay attention to bitcoin because the price is going up through the roof and then they like come in and like or maybe the get aware of it once and they don't get aware of it till the next run up or whatever. But then that new Adoption then brings the price up even higher in the next pump and then that brings even more people and it's like this ridiculous like feedback loops. Beautiful feedback. All right, so like then so I posted a tweet about that. That's all that I could have worded it a little bit better you missed you missed an important part hash power plays into that feedback loop as well. Right? Yeah, but that's just that's more adoption. Yes has powers more adoption. So I think that so then every so I was just getting tons of haters are saying oh like Bitcoins a Ponzi scheme and like a lot of them were either Bitcoin cash people or alt Corners. It wasn't even like no corners. That's why I think not having the hash power aspect into it sort of hurt your argument because hash power represents a sort of a sunk cost of hardware and energy that sort of proves that people are willing. Put skin in the game to acquire this scarce token, which I think would. Would sort of destroy the Ponzi scheme argument right but I wasn't making an anti Ponzi scheme arguments are Levering Ponzi scheme at me. And then yeah, the main response in my mind. Is that PO W gives you permissionless access, right? So you can exchange work at a true market rate that's not controlled by anyone for Bitcoin from the network. Yes, and I thought it was interesting that like etherium people were lovely leveling this at me and like proof of stake is More pyramid characteristics than Bitcoin like I would never say that to them but like it's ridiculous that they would I don't know say that Bitcoin is and like it's not even a Ponzi that gets more pyramid scheme than pain like you need to do name Ponzi at the top to be a Ponzi. Yes you Central you need to made off so I can still like a metallic type or something, you know, so would be pyramid. But anyway, that's besides the point O and what proof of stake like if we're playing out sort of like the logical thought experiment. Like if it ever does become successful people are going to be incentivized to lock up their their tokens and you can have like cartels that don't sell. Yes. They don't sell its so it's inherently requires more permission because you have to buy from an existing holder. You can't just plug in hardware and get distributed coins. Yes. So pick one is not a Ponzi scheme. It's a bad argument, but maybe a theorem is no, I think that's like I just I just think that like cryptocurrency be like multi Corners like shouldn't be they shouldn't be don't call Bitcoin upon Z like that's just starting a Bitcoin can be thrown at you like five times as hard. So yeah, I just end like it's just a losing I don't I just a bad a bad precedent to set you know, you know throwing stones from glass houses. And it's definitely I wouldn't say it was a pyramid scheme either like there's no other way that you could bootstrap like a new like a new money in a fair way. That was that I it's hard to imagine like a fairer method then like people buy in at their and voluntarily like when they when they want to hey, you're preaching to the choir brother. It's you know what to sell me on this. But yeah, I think if you through hatch power and Sierra your formula you would answer. Am I putting aspirin it? So write that sweet. I could have compose a tweet better. So because price so I would do it price leads to more hash power because miners are going after took and that is more values. So they're willing to put more capital on the line and which inherently makes Bitcoin more secure to an extent that in turn makes the proposition value of owning Bitcoin more valuable, which because it's more secure. Yes a coupled with the price I could see that. Yeah and then More people drives the price up which drives a hashmap. I was just trying to keep it really simple. I should have kept it simpler. It's just my Bitcoin Jesus is just with adoption. The price will go up. So as more people adopted the fucking price will go up and I think more people will adopt it. So that's my that's my thesis buy gold buy Bitcoin. That's all we're trying to say here drop gold. That's all we got for this week freaks. Thank you for joining us. As always. We haven't even talked about the site. I think we're in a launch that tonight at midnight or actually, I'm not going to put a date on. I'm not going to pressure on the dam. That way we won't announce a site on Twitter in the net and the next 24 hours. I love the hats will go on sale. They're very limited Supply. They'll be under the merch tab. You'll be able to find them there. So yeah, I think we had to use Shopify for the shop to start because baked. CPA Server doesn't have their shipping and the things figured out but I think will go completely Bitcoin native pretty soon. But it uses be TCP server for the Bitcoin payments. Yes. Yeah, it'll be using rbg's Pacer for that. Even when it goes through Shopify. I'm pretty sure yes. Yeah. I'm yeah, I think so. Yeah so you but you will be able to pay and Fiat if you if you sir please enter are looking to stack SATs spend Fiat stack sets. A real Ali partner now, we're not Lolly partner. You should become a loli partnership because that cost us any money. I don't know Alex if you're listening, he's hi Alex. Well, we'll talk about sidebar this. Yeah, well will message you. All right. You have a final note for the freaks. Stay humble stack sets. Yeah, peace and love stay chill. Just kidding freaks talk to talk to our Dev site will be launched on Sunday. Sorry for sorry. Forget your hopes up. There. We aim to please here. We want to make sure that the site is perfect before we launched it. It will be launched on Sunday.

This week Marty and Matt discuss:  - Bitcoin v.0.18.0 released https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-core-0180-release-heres-whats-new/ - Bitfinex spread increases, https://www.theblockcrypto.com/tiny/bitfinex-plans-to-raise-as-much-as-1-billion-through-an-ieo-shareholder-says/ - Cashapp $65.5M quarterly bitcoin sales  - Amazon Managed Blockchain  https://www.theblockcrypto.com/tiny/amazon-made-its-blockchain-service-available-to-the-public/ - #dropgold campaign - dropgold.com - Ethereum is now money according to ethereum.org - CoinJoins as a Percentage of All Bitcoin Payments Have Tripled to 4.09% Over the Past Year https://www.longhash.com/news/coinjoins-as-a-percentage-of-all-bitcoin-payments-have-tripled-to-409-over-the-past-year - Samourai Whirlpool enters mainnet testing phase - Nine in 10 Americans have heard about bitcoin, Blockchain Capital survey finds https://www.theblockcrypto.com/tiny/nine-in-10-americans-heard-about-bitcoin-survey-finds/ - Fidelity surveys 400 institutional investors, 22% already have exposure, 47% think exposure makes sense: https://medium.com/@FidelityDigitalAssets/new-research-institutional-investments-likely-to-increase-over-next-5-years-729fb1ca3c52 - eTrade joining the party, plans to offer bitcoin trading to its ~5M customers https://twitter.com/nathanielpopper/status/1121868559330598912 Shoutout to this week's sponsors: Cash App, head over to the Apple App Store or Google Play and download it today to start #stackingsats Unchained Capital, check out Unchained's 2-of-3 multisig vaults product today and get 3-months free of Saifedean Ammous' The Bitcoin Standard Research Bulletin.

So welcome to the higher self activation podcast. My name is Alisha and I'm here to help you find trust let go of control and see more online results with less hustle. We will bring the cousins and noted a national Consciousness into the here and now we can energy tangible in easy-to-understand now, let's get started with today's episode. I am here with Natasha who is an amazing expander for women in their journey of healing in their spiritual growth and a dear friend. So I'm so happy and so excited to share this episode with you guys. So sister welcome. Thank you for coming here today. Yes. Thank you so much Leah for having me. I'm so excited to have this conversation. With you and to also share it have other people to listen in on our conversation. Yes, so we are here to share one of my favorite things to talk about and the very core of higher self Activation. So this space is all about Ascension and grounding. So how you can deep clean your Awakening work on yourself and to your spiritual path while I'll be in here as a human. So how we can meditate go to cacao ceremony is something we love to do together. By the way this Spirit carry crystals in your bra, you know other things and also have a wine after a work day because it's all about the balance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's so important to have the balance and you know, most people now they tend to forget like they think that We just need to have one thing or the other when you can have the Bose, you know, we're here on Earth as a human being and we need to learn the lessons of a human being. It's great that if someone gets into the spirituality and you know to meditating Kundalini energy and all of these things, but at the same time, don't forget you are a human, you know, we are human I like I love Listening to Hindu mantras, but at the same time I have days or right after I can go ahead and listen to my list of hip hop songs and and I love it, you know. Yes, and that's something I see a lot and and that I experienced firsthand myself when we open this door and it kind of find this deeper connection with the universe with source and all this practice has a feels so good. And so aligned that you really go to the opposite extreme of things and you can be a bit too much there that you forget that you're here and you forget to enjoy your human experience and to connect with people and I guess that's why when you know, especially in the beginning of our spiritual awakening people have that phase where it's just months in your bubble in your house and meditating and taking time from hands and going now to figure that out now. Yeah. Yeah, and I understand that completely. I've had those moments where I would just like you said meditating in my room like really really on that Journey like I want to make sure that I did everything right and like I was afraid that oh if I take a drink with my friend, I would suddenly lose focus kind of thing and like all that spiritual work that I have been. Doing suddenly went down the drain and that's fear and I think a lot of people have that fear as well. You know, they're like, I don't want to hang out with my friends anymore who drinks line because I'm afraid that I would get caught in that and that I can understand especially in the beginning of the journey when you feel like you're not strong enough to you know, make a choice like make a decision. Okay. I know how to balance myself like telling yourself. I know when to stop kind of thing, you know what I mean? Hmm. So how did you navigate that shift when you know when things start to not resonate anymore and then you're just you suddenly realize oh this group this place all these things that I used to love now. It just doesn't feel better line. It doesn't fulfill. Yes much. How did you navigate that? That is their period? Yeah. So first of all, I think that's why this one the spiritual work comes in right first you need to work on yourself work on that inner self like really get to know yourself so that you know later on this feels a line and this doesn't feel like how do you know when you are not when something doesn't feel aligned to you if you don't know yourself, right? Mmm, and that's why you need to know yourself do that spiritual work like if you want to take like some months off take a month. They go to retreat or whatever. But at the same time when you come back, it's important to come back and and it's like how are you going to share your message that that you have received from this special role from the other dimensions to other people here on Earth. If you stay too far up kind of thing, you know what I mean? Right like when you can connect with other beings that are here actually exactly like When you're seeking to other other people, let's say and they haven't really started this spiritual journey. They they might not understand the words that you're using, you know, so you need to be able to speak in their language. Like when you say like divine feminine Divine masculine all sounds really great, but people are like, what is that to speak in their language? For them to understand and yeah, so to go back to your question actually sort of sorry forgot to answer that question. Yeah, so to ground myself, it's I mean have conversations with the people that you love who maybe they haven't started their spiritual journey yet. And yeah, it's just really feel them. Remember that. They are also a part of you and like with Husband he really helps to ground me to like make me remember that I am here on Earth that you know, all of the work in this spiritual spiritual world can be worth it can be worth it. If we remember or know how to balance it, you know, and again that comes from that comes from if you when you know yourself when you work with yourself in enough and that's another thing I have to say that you have to accept your shadows as in like except what what things that like your flaws kind of thing. You know what I mean? Mmm Yeah, you have to understand like okay. I accepted my past. I accept that. I'm not perfect and all of these things they Graham you there because yeah, you're not just like He's all like I just I don't know send you all my light kind of thing work was just a light. I mean in order for like to come there needs to be Darkness as well balanced, you know, and I love how you say it that actually accepting the not sexy part. So getting brace in your shadows as a way to ground yourself because it's true that we can get so caught up in the light work and especially if you are a light worker yourself. That we are this these in ascended beings and we are an expression of source and actually embracing the not sexy part helps you ground yourself in okay, but I'm also here and I have this and that's okay. Hmm. Exactly. Exactly. You said something really important also that, you know Finding what really feels a line comes from you taking time work on yourself and connecting. So that weird period of okay some things just don't resonate anymore. And you feel like you're outgrowing old patterns or even relationships and all these things. But I feel like it's really important to come from a place of what is Real Alignment. And what is coming from judgment exactly. Don't know what the real Allah and feels you easy to come from judgment because they party The drugs and I don't because I'm here in my spiritual journey, you know? Yeah exactly you mentioned such an important thing. I'm so glad you brought that up. I think yeah. It's so important not to judge just because you meditate a lot makes the other person like miss you like better than the other kind of thing, you know, and I see a lot also people in the spiritual World. They think like oh, Yeah, I don't want to like they're there I still like they're talking about the other people like a bad like bad people. You know what I mean? Yeah grounded peasants. You're not awake. Yeah, exactly like you do that other bad like such bad energies kind of thing and it's like we just have to remember everyone is experience just having different kind of experiences. We are all having different experiences and it is fun. Fantastic that you anyone that is listening to this if you are already on your spiritual journey, like it is fantastic that you are doing your work. But remember for some people there they may be younger Souls. So it might take them longer time to recognize the work to do the work. So they might need to go through certain lessons for them before they jump into this deep inner work. So much sense and it's you know something that I said myself but when you start connecting with all this and then you go oh this place has a lower vibration, you know our this is this person is really lowering my vibration here and it is coming from ego from a from a good intention because I'm working on myself and now I'm seeing these things. So you start just suddenly see the vibration the feelings, you know in interactions and Lisa. That before you didn't so if you could so exciting that you're like, ah, but this this is not high Vibe and it's really important to come back to the core in a what's behind that exactly exactly. What are you avoiding? Yes, right. Yeah. Did you experience judgment and guilt yourself? So did you feel guilt ever from doing things that are quote unquote not spiritual. Yes. Yes, I've had it in the past. So I'm like I you know doing something and I'll be like oh gosh, but you know, I feel like I'm not being clean like I'm not pure even though maybe it's just like thinking that one drink like I'm breaking my sabbatical or something and yeah, it would feel bad, but you know, I've learned I learned and after that it's just A lot of giving myself permission like that's okay. If I want to take my cup of wine if I want to eat cheese, you know, it's okay to have our pizza. It's more than okay to have our pizza. Yeah to watch this area to have our pizza right into our show like some some days where I would be like this so tired and I just want to watch something stupid like something that's not that doesn't necessarily. Really have meaning or I'm not learning anything. Just something stupid on Netflix. And yeah, I really need one of those moments sometimes you know, and it's so important that we give ourselves the permission to do that because when that happens then you are when you begin to give yourself permission, you are allowing yourself to finally experiencing life and There is a quote that side Guru says he says that live your life not life. You are materialistic life as if you will die today and live your spiritual life like you are Eternal and I love that and I think we can't forget to to live, you know. Yes, that's beautiful and it takes me too. Let's talk about the guilty pleasures. You were saying that it's okay to binge watch a shitty show every once in a while, you know, and that doesn't makes us less spiritual or less enlightened because you know the way I see it there is this beautiful thing called Indulgence. We are we chose to be here and we have our five senses and the things that Exist in this Physical Realm to be experience to the senses. So, you know we chose to come here to experience contrast and to have pleasure and taste and sound and all these amazing thing is such a rich experience that we're here to feel it, you know, and I it's such a rich world that it's sad to negate that also and be just up here in the higher Realms and higher levels of consciousness. Not leaving. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that is that is our work here actually as a spiritual being in a physical body, right? This is our work. We are the yin and yang the masculine feminine lighten dark all of these contrasts. Look we're talking let's we're in Barcelona to anyone that's listening to this. And recently there was that big strike here the big protest and there were people who were violent and there are people who are also peaceful. You know, this is again that lighten dark and as about Sevilla kind of thing. Yeah for us working on ourselves and from a spiritual approach that can be Having an out-of-body experiences and shamanic work and then watch The Bachelor because because it's available. Yeah, and that's when when we need to have our awareness, you know, as long as you are conscious like I'm gonna do my meditation my breath work and after you know what I'm gonna watch The Bachelor like what you just said, yeah. You know, you are conscious of your actions, you're not, you know, making unconscious decision. That's when it becomes a problem unconscious decision when people like, you know take drugs just to avoid what they're really feeling doesn't unconscious decision. All right. Now you just hit the nail on the head if that's exactly it. It's not the action itself is you coming from and own conscience and conscious pattern here just Going about your life because that's you know, the way you do it and you're not aware or are you tuned in and allowing yourself to go above and go below? It should do an in and then experience the outer World also. Yes. Hmm, and I don't know if you felt this but I felt for a long time and I still do I mean I'm finding my community here and in spaces like this with your higher-self activation being that bridge that we can be spiritual. But we can be here but for a long time I felt like I didn't fully fit anywhere because I don't belong anymore with old friends people that are not into the spiritual stuff. Yeah, but I'm also not part of this group and I don't belong with the spiritual people who seem to be too much for it. Yeah more enlightened or just leaving a hundred percent 24/7 for the Inner work and I found myself in this limbo of an extremely connected to energy, but I love to be a human. So where do I fit? Hmm? Yeah. Oh my gosh, and I think that's why I'm so thankful that we met. Yeah, I felt the same way. I've been feeling the same way, honestly. Yeah and like in we were talking about judgment before, you know, I have those two different groups of friends like very I like two different polarities, right and when I hang out with each of their group, I feel that judgment but from others as well and I and at that moment. I'm like wait, they're getting throwing a lot of judgment toward the other types of group and I'm they're sitting like, okay then I shouldn't judge them as well because I'm like, I'm like you just be neutral because Because I'm also not trying to judge them before judging other people. You know what I mean? Right right. It's a very weird place to be hmm. Yeah and why it's so important to have this conversation because I'm sure that a lot of women listening right now are going yes, that's how I feel. So you're not alone. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's why it's so important. This just came in like this is so important. Burnt that we open up this conversation. So to any of you that are listening to this right now, like open up this conversation to any of your friend because they might be feeling the same way because I realized also when you're hanging in a standard group of spiritual people and you know, you think that okay, you gotta keep up the conversation only about spirituality stuff and don't talk about the fact that you want to drink wine or less. the hip-hop, you know, and I'm sure there's they're feeling like, you know, when you are hanging out in a group but spiritual people you feel like you have to stay within the topic like you're afraid to mention about wine or what you actually you know, what you do what you yeah how you want to Like how you're spending your Sunday night. Let's say when you're watching Netflix, you know and eating physical Cravings exactly. And sometimes we feel ashame, you know to mention these things when you are in a group of your friends that are into spirituality. So that's why it is so important that we open up this conversation and don't be afraid of rejection from other people. Because and if they reject you if you're suddenly Mansion, yeah, I listen to hip-hop and drink wine and they reject you then perhaps they're not your group of people, you know, yes nurturing this spirit. This is what I'm thinking as you're saying nurturing the spirit doesn't negate your physical self. Why is it that if we're hanging out and spiritual ceremony and doing the spiritual work and we feel ashamed that I'm kind of craving a burger after this? We're probably thinking the same thing thinking the same freaking thing that you're thinking like. Okay. No, no just have to talk about the line and beautiful beings. Yes. Remember when we went to the beach here in Barcelona. To meditate so we took our cards we were pulling title cards and and reading so I'm doing a card reading at the beach and meditating together and then we say, okay cool. Let's go up to the bar and then you get a drink and it was fantastic. It's a perfect day. Yes. Yes. We need to be authentic like You know forget about what people if people want to judge you then let them judge you but stay true to yourself. If you like both of the of these things, you know, hip-hop and meditation then go ahead go ahead just show that embrace it and you will attract more of your tribe like how we attracted each other because we were so true to ourselves that it's like well if you don't like To me for drinking wine and that's okay. I'm still gonna order my wine. Anyway, you know, yeah. Yeah and he comes back to what you said in the beginning bracing you entirely in bracing yourself. So the light in the shadow, but also the soul and the physical why can't I embrace my spiritual side my soul, but in also my physical body and food and pleasuring things from the Circle realm yes. I love that. I know somebody had this conversation and I'm sure that I'm curious to know from you guys listening your thoughts. If you're listening to this thinking finally my saying this I don't feel guilty because you just such an important conversation to you. No chance out there for people in the Ascension process. All of us on Earth right now is just really important to have this. Channel and know that you're not alone. Yes, exactly pleased remember guys to not punish yourself. Do not punish yourself if you want to reach out for that cookie because I have seen like people when they travel to a whole new country and they miss out on eating some of the like the really great traditional dish because they're like, well, I can't eat that cake that I indicate that well, I understand. I lower my vibration exactly. I understand if you have an allergy or something like this or if you have an illness, but if you're just you know, limiting yourself, then you're missing out on life. Yeah, it's staying true to what resonates something from that place of knowing what alignment feels like and not just embracing, you know, taking a rules for yourself because you feel like you should yeah, that's Adelines get a bit blurry right now. Yeah, and remember like the only person you're trying to impress yourself like everyone else is honestly they just minding their own things. So don't try to impress anyone else just because you know, you meditate it for like six hours. Yeah. Yes. I love this sister. Thank you so much. You're welcome was my pleasure. Thank you so much for sharing. Sharing and guys head over to I'm Gonna Leave Here in a patches links, so you can find her online, you know where to find a higher self activation Facebook group. So head over there as well and let us know your thoughts. Yes, you can screenshot. If you're listening to this post your insta stories and let us know what you think. If is resonates, and we are here to be part of your tribe. So thank you for listening. Exactly. Thank you. I hope you loved today's episode and if you did, please don't forget to take him in it and leave us star review or a comment on iTunes. I create this content from my soul just aboard yours. And this makes all the difference to help my message get out there and reach the people who need to listen. I really really appreciate it. Thank you for being here and I'll see you in the next episode.

CALLING IN ALL WOMEN IN THEIR JOURNEY OF ASCENSION ✨✨✨ Healers, leaders, light workers and expanders deepening their own awakening and raising the vibration of the collective… while being here. As a human that eats pizza. For the longest time I felt like I didn't belong with the "normal crowd" because I was too busy burning sage; nor with the spiritual community because I watched The Bachelorette. I found myself in this limbo of… I am too weird here, but I'm too grounded there. Where do I fit? My biggest truth and mission is out now as an episode of the Higher Self Activation podcast. A powerful message I got to share with my soul sister Nathasya to all women exploring what it is like to tend to your spiritual path, carry out a Higher mission AND twerk to a hip hop song. Nathasya O.M. is a Holistic Trauma & Spiritual Coach. She specialises in teaching women to recover from past trauma naturally and come back to their body so they can have healthy relationships + career. Sisters, we ascend together. And we talk it out with a glass of wine.

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I'm done is a show about how big news stories we thought were over often with the beginning of something else will go back to one of these stories each episode and tell you about the surprising things that happen when everybody stopped looking this is our first episode it starts on a hot summer night in Chicago, Illinois, July 12 1979. It's a makeup game. It rained earlier in the year and we lost the game with Detroit is some makeup game is the four games. We're at Comiskey Park on the south side of Chicago and the White Sox are playing a doubleheader against the Detroit Tigers. The place was packed. They completely sold out the stadium and there were another 20,000 people wandering around in the street trying to get in the way that many people who couldn't even get in. Yeah there wherever there are climbing the drain pipes. This is Paul napkin. He was there that night but he wasn't there for the baseball. Game, nobody was really there for the baseball game. They were there for this promotion that was being put on by a big rock radio station in town called The Loop. If you brought a disco record you got in for 98 cents. Now the thing you have to understand is Disco was everywhere that summer. The station said bring your knee toward your Sister Sledge your Donna Summer. Bring all the disco music you can find. So that we can destroy it. This was supposed to be a wacky stunts, but it ended up becoming something so much bigger than that. It became this huge thing front page of the Sun-Times front page of the Tribune. It made worldwide news. It's a Trivial Pursuit question. This week we're going back to this night. We're fifty thousand people showed up to a baseball game in Chicago to rage against disco music. We've spent the past several months sifting through the craziness of that night trying to make sense of what happened. We found out a lot and along the way we came across a guy named Vince Lawrence and Usher at the game whose Story shows how this night connects to so much of the music. We listen to today to get things going. Here's events the Usher. Well, when I got there, you know, we set up at the gates as usual and there were lines around the block and there's Vince was 15 that summer and he gotten a job with this company that provided Usher's to Big venues in Chicago. Take a guy to his seat. Watch the concert. Not a bad job. He'd gotten to see lots of shows Abba Michael Jackson kiss the Funk Fest at Soldier Field. I saw the Rolling Stones with this. Incredible guy Prince opening for him and this would have been amazing for any kid, but it was especially so for Vince because he decided recently that he was going to be a musician. It happened when his dad's friend took him to see this funk artist named captain Sky whose band had a synthesizer in it. And at that point that's what I was going to do. I was going to be the synthesizer guy which was a pretty new thing at the time and that's why he took this Usher job to save money to buy his first synthesizer. So on this night, it's not a concert. it's a baseball game or it was supposed to be anyway, Vince is out at the front gate taken tickets watching records pile up at the gate and I had strict intention of keeping disco records that I thought were good that I didn't have. So Vince is a disco fan taking tickets at an anti disco event, which sounds like it would be a real bummer, but then says he was actually really excited to be working that night because the DJ hosting the promotion was someone that he liked I knew about Steve Dahl and teenage radiation his band and I thought that they were pretty cool Steve Dahl is the DJ at the Loop the big rock radio station that was putting on this promotion at the baseball game. And then says he had this band that did parodies of disco songs. My name is Tony. Did this cover of do you think I'm sexy by Rod Stewart? Which Vince noticed had some synthesizer in it? So I was like wow, you know, he's cool. He's a futurist just like me, but unlike Vince Steve Dahl had been on this anti disco Crusade that summer making fun of disco on his radio show doing public appearances where he'd smashed disco records over his head and that night at the baseball game. His plan was to blow up all the Disco records people brought to the stadium. But as Vince was sifting through these records as he was collecting them at the gate. He noticed something strange. A lot of them weren't actually disco records. There's Marvin Gaye records and Stevie Wonder songs in the key of Life records that were black records and I was like, you can't get in to people who have tickets because I'm like, this record isn't a disco record. You have to have a disco record to get in for a dollar but his boss came over and said no, he says look if they bring a record if it's in that area, you gotta let em in which Ben says he thought was weird, but at the time he really didn't think that much of it. So the first game starts, it's a double headers those two games. And that first one is pretty uneventful Diane white and other person who was in the crowd that night. I wouldn't say. It was like a mood of riotous nurse during you know the game, but after that first game ended things changed as big door open and center field and the Jeep rolled out. That's problematic get again like a World War II Jeep with the top down, you know where they had the canvas top. And Steve Dahl the anti disco DJ was standing in the back shouting into a megaphone. Hey, it's because of you. This is having a night. Okay, not because of us what she was wearing his Arrow to see jacket and Hawaiian shirt with the army helmet people are screaming and I go nuts Steve doll pulls the Jeep up at next to a dumpster give it any sense of how many were in there. A big dumpster and it was full that you brought tonight. We got him in a giant box. And we're gonna blow him up real good. And this was the big moment that all those people had come to see that night to all of a sudden. There's like stuffed shooting up in the air Crowd Goes out of their minds. I was working the Boxes along the third-base line. We were very quickly overrun because there just weren't enough of us. They're getting out of their seats and they're jumping onto the field thousands of people storming the field. And at first it all looks pretty fun. You see kids chasing each other around sliding in the grass climbing on each other's shoulders. I talked to this newspaper reporter Named Dave Hoekstra, who was there who told me the owner was out on the field and he was all in and he had a peg leg and their stories had a peg leg. Yeah, yeah, he lost his leg in the war and he kept getting stuck in the mud. The whole thing is like this zany real-life slapstick routine until all of a sudden. It's just not people start ripping Up The Bases the batting cages all hell broke loose all of a sudden you see a cloud of smoke, right? What happened was that a man stormed the field and they said a bonfire in center field and they also have dancing around it yelling. Disco songs. There's a sec. Behind the bullpen where some people lit the seats on fire the seats in the stands on fire. Yeah. Yeah. I was standing on the field with our camera crew shooting this and it was one of the most horrifying sights you can imagine Steve Dahl, the the disc jockey was nowhere to be found the game delayed over two hours. Yeah. Yes. What's what's the current situation Chief Usher came to me and says, hey, they're telling us that we have to go home. They're calling the police, too. protect the Park police have actually set up barricades now to keep people out of the area of the stadium Rosemary golly is there with so at this point Vince is just trying to get out of there and on my way to the locker room. They were just angry people running up to me getting in my face saying disco sucks. Disco sucks. And I remember saying hey look at my shirt. He's wearing a t-shirt with the logo of the loop the rock station that had put on the event that night and I had to show him like Hey, I'm not I'm hey. I'm I'm not, you know a bad. Person look at my shirt. Feeling like they thought I was disco. And a kid came up to me and took a 12 inch disk and broke it right in my face. It was like a Marvin Gaye 12 inch or something like that and I didn't understand it until much later that you know, that was just hate and that they were directing it at me because I was black in the record was black. I didn't get that at that time. By the end of the night 39 people had been arrested the cops even had to bring in horses and this became a huge news story and the pictures of it that went all around the world are disturbing. You see a crowd of thousands of white kids out on this field smashing and burning records by primarily black artists and to a lot of people who saw those images in the paper and watch them on television. The next day this didn't look like a wacky radio stunt. It looked really it looked a little scary to me. And actually it looked really frightening. This is Renee Graham. She's a columnist for the Boston Globe who writes about music and culture. But when all this happened she was a teenager what it reminded me of even then was I remember seeing films of these little white citizens councils in the 50s who disliked rock and roll now what they really disliked the fact that this was a music that was bringing together blacks and whites. Renee says the backlash against disko. Similar this wasn't just a we don't like this music. This was this wasn't just that this was we don't like these people who listen to this music and to understand that you really have to go back to the roots of disco to June of 1969 in New York City. Renee says it all started in the wake of the riot at the Stonewall Inn when the cops started scaling back their raids on gay bars in the city wasn't like the old days where the windows were blacked out and it was no name on the door and you had to know where it was suddenly. Lee places were quite open and I can remember going to one of the big big clubs in the 70s downtown. I was probably I don't know 16 years old. So I really had no business being in there anyway, and I wasn't I wasn't out so going to those those clouds was I felt like I had I'd come home as a gay woman of color. These clubs became a safe place for an A and for lots of people they called the clubs discos because everybody was dancing to records instead of a band. And at first they were dancing to all different kinds of music Funk Soul R&B. But then in the early 1970s a new style of music started coming out. This is Love Train came out in 1972 by a band called The O'Jays it's one of the first disco songs and Renee says she remembers hearing disco music and thinking it was clearly different from all the RMB and so live in listing to up to that point. It had some elements of that other music, you know, the bulk of the artists who were out there got their start singing in church. So these would Church trained voices big gospel trained, you know black voices. But it also pulled in all this other stuff salsa, which was really big in New York in the 1970s put behind it. Usually, you know, an orchestra a lot of percussion but the drums is like that hissing sound that's but the most defining element the thing that was new and really set disco apart from the things before it was the beat you have to have say 120 beats per minute. It was just a lot faster than music before that little like R&B but on steroids, they called it four on the floor which just means that the music was written in 4/4 time for beats per measure and where the drummer would hit the bass drum on every single downbeat. It was something about the propulsion of that sound that was really intoxicating. This beat was brand new even though it's such a simple idea. And the thing about this beat is that they just made you dance. That was the thing different from Lodi of the music. You can sing along to other things you could dance but this school was built to be dance to and because of that disco took over the gay dance clubs that were flourishing in New York and other big cities across the country like San Francisco, Los. Angela's Chicago and as it spread the music got woven together with the movement for gay rights for openness for inclusivity. The music became the culture and by the mid 70s disco had made it out of the gay clubs and into the homes of teenagers like Vince the Usher we talked to before there was disco on the radio and just go in my house. This is bring my belt by Anita Ward and it would later become one of Vince's favorite songs. The reason I remember that record so much at that time was because it had that one syndrome sound. And I learned how to make that sound at Captain Skies rehearsals. Through 73 74 and 75 the scene kept growing but it didn't quite go mainstream. If you want to hit disco you listening to the black radio stations. Nobody else is playing it and then in 1977. Saturday Night Fever comes out and disco is everywhere. Everyone was wearing polyester white suits and the Bee Gees were all you hurt. Nothing is to be more and more Americans are getting more and more into the disco scene was this trendy thing and suddenly people started flooding into discos who had never gone to discos before was the scene outside our New York. Disco called Studio 54. This is almost like musical gentrification. If you will kind of pushing, you know, the Pioneer is the original Is out of the way and letting it all these new people who then decide it's their thing and that they created it and not only was everybody listening to disco music. Everybody seemed to be making it to this is the Rolling Stones. Rod Stewart had a disco song By the spring of 1979 there were 20,000 disco clubs in America nearly half the Grammy Awards that year went to disco music and dozens of huge mainstream radio station Stations that previously played rock music switched formats to play Disco 24 hours a day. So this is what's happening in 1979 and just a couple months later the loop and Steve Dahl hold their big event at Comiskey Park to destroy disco records. And Renee says that nights impact wasn't just about how scary it looked to her on TV. It was bigger than that. Well, I mean, you know after that just go kind of becomes a four letter word people weren't getting played people weren't getting booked the records weren't selling as well. Renee says, it happened shockingly fast in 1979. Disco was everywhere. And by late 1980 disco dies that night at the baseball game became known as disco demolition night and over the years. A lot of people have said it's the Night disco died. It's like pulling the rug out from under you you have to kind of rebalance. Okay. What are we going to do? Now? How do I stay afloat? This is Janice Marie Johnson, and she had this band called Taste of Honey that had a big disco hit boogie-oogie-oogie in 1978. The song had gone to Number one on the pop R&B and disco charts sold two million copies that summer they were playing stadiums 80,000 people outdoor concert Chicago a singing my song. They won a Grammy award for best new artist 1978 was a great year for them. Our second album was released in 1979. And I think it was July 12 1979 where they were burning disco records. And we had just had a new release categorized as this goal. So how does that work for you girls not well, but the end of that summer. I'm noticing that the radio stations that I used to listen to have changed formats and it turned out this was happening all across the country just like that. Disco is dying overnight Taste of Honey broke up in 1983 and Janice Maria switch careers, I drove a limo would you believe? People think you can't drive a little more I said, why not? What are you talking about? After a quick break? We talked to Steve Dahl the radio DJ Behind disco demolition night. And Vince Lauren's the Usher. We heard from earlier explains how the place that killed disco accidentally helped give birth to a whole new kind of music. This episode is brought to you by TaxACT. This tax season Tax Act has your back with their deduction maximizer and a hundred K accuracy guarantee. You can feel confident. You're getting the most out of tax season learn more about how to maximize your deductions and your refund and get 25% off federal and state filing a tax act.com gimlet. That's TaxACT.com gimlets 425 Sent off federal and state filing. Well, it was December 24th 1978. This is Steve Dahl the DJ who some people say killed disco music. He's in his 60s now still making radio in Chicago and he says disco demolition night all got started because of this crappy thing that happened to him the Christmas before that summer. I had been down on Wacker Drive dressed as Santa live broadcasting from down the street. We had a studio on the third floor so we would just drop a mic. Out the window end of the day came back upstairs and they said hey, Jack wants to see a Jack was the general manager of the station Jackman cow walked into his office and he had an automatic door closer. Apparently this used to be a thing. He hit the hit the automatic door closer when that happened when the door closed behind you automatically you knew something bad was going to happen to you. So he informed me that the station was changing their format to disco effective that night so I kinda drove home. My Santa suit and walked in and told my wife that you know, I didn't have a job. Steve had actually just moved to Chicago and now he was fired and he blamed it on Disco Steve says before that Christmas Eve firing. He didn't have any strong feelings about the music at all. He wasn't even really that into music. He was a talk guy ranted about the news told stories about his life and he was kind of a shock jock he made fun of stuff in pop culture, but after Steve got fired from a station that had turned to disco the music became one of his main targets Steve. Hey, Hated that rock artists like Rod Stewart were making disco songs. He thought it was phony like start was just cashing in on a trend. So he started that band teenage radiation to make fun of disco. I kind of made fun of the Tony Manero in the Saturday Night Fever lifestyle with the white three-piece suit and all that and when he got a new job on the radio, which happened very quickly. He kept making fun of the music and also started talking about destroying it. So what we do every morning as Blow up a disco record that we hate. This is Steve on the radio in 1979 ready to go in there shorty. Why don't you go ahead and start it up. He started doing this thing where every morning he would play a disco records and then blow it up and Steve says his intention with all this was just to be absurd he get dressed up in funny outfits when he played shows with his band. I used to wear Hawaiian shirts. And some at some point that just switched over to me wearing this uniform and a helmet which he says was not intended to seem violent or militaristic. He says a veteran just handed it to him to show Once none of this is there's no master plan behind any of this is just all like, you know me just try to make a living and its fans loved it. The crowds just started to get bigger. He held anti disco events all over the city all leading up to that White Sox game on July 12th. And when Steve looks back on that night when he sees isn't a racist and homophobic Riot the way lots of people have in years since then but rather a big crowd of middle-class Rock Fans reacting against the phony Studio 54 Saturday Night Fever seen saying, hey, we want to wear our t-shirts in our genes and we don't want to have to we don't have to wear white three-piece suits to get laid and he says he didn't see the whole thing as a very big deal there happened to be smoke and fire because they put too much of a charge in the in the box that blew up the records and they had Too many records in there. But you know, I don't really think that it was anything other than youthful exuberance. It feels hard for me to imagine that like people are going that crazy just because they don't like disco music like what what was going on. Do you think I get what burning you know things looks like, you know burning records burning books, whatever it looks I understand how in hindsight people say that it was racist and homophobic, especially Based on the identity politics of the you know, the present day but at the time I never occurred to me because that was really not the intent of it. You really didn't see that that didn't sort of cross your mind like, oh this might look like that. No, but absolutely it did not if anyone and it most of the people who make that statement weren't around for the run up to it, and it was essentially just a harmless, you know. We were having some fun. Now Vince Lawrence the I should we talked to earlier was there for the run-up to that night and to him it was not fun and the people that broke a Marvin Gaye record in his face didn't seem harmless, but Vince doesn't blame Steve doll for what happened to him that night. He even still listen to The Loop. He thinks what happened probably had as much to do with the place where the event was held as the event itself. Ben says the neighborhood around there had a certain reputation there were stories that you better not get caught in Bridgeport after. Dark Bridgeport is where the stadium was. There was a sandwich place called riccobene. He's and I was like, you know, you better not be running or going to riccobene. He's after dark because that's on the edge of Bridgeport and you could get your ass whooped and this neighborhood is what brings us to the last turn in the story where the place that killed disco helps give birth to this whole other kind of music just a quick warning this next part contains some strong language. Not long after that night at the stadium something awful happened to Vince in Bridgeport on my birthday. I was coming home from school. I went to Lakeview High School and occasionally, I would end up taking the Wentworth bus Which put me in the neighborhood of Bridgeport and a teenage boy driving a I don't know pickup truck some sort pulled up next to me and said hey, The fuck are you doing here? And I said I'm just I'm walking home. They said no Coons live in this neighborhood and you ready get the fuck out of here nigger, and I just took off running. And they drove and they caught up with me and beat my face to look like a potato. I went back to my friends house and they called the police and the police came and said well, let's drive around and see if we can find them and funny enough first gas station. There's the truck and there's the guy who beat me up and they arrested him. My mother got a call from this kids lawyer. Saying hey, we've got a court date that's going to come and we don't want to ruin this kid's life. We were hoping that you could forgive this guy. You made a mistake. He's really sorry. Can we work something out and get you guys to drop the charges? And I said, you know, I have photographs of what my face look like that day. He didn't seem at all. Sorry, I think that I should go to the news and I should tell the news that what happened in the south is still happening in Chicago in your neighborhood. He said no no. No, we don't we try to make peace with this. I understand that, you know, you were hurt and we want to maybe pay you for your trouble and the light bulb. My head just went off because remember I was saving up for my first synthesizer. I knew the price list at be Osco music by heart and I very quickly added up what it was going to cost me to get my three favorite synthesizers and I'm like, okay. Well if he doesn't want me to show up at court, it's going to cost them $6,500 and we settled we settled for five right then and there. First I had, you know actually needed to heal physically and then after that I wanted to get my mind, right? I was so eager to put it behind me. And I thought that one way to forget about it would be to get on with my music making which was the only thing I thought about all the time. So that's what Vince did he bought two synthesizers and he started writing songs. I made a record not too long after that with my banzi Factor all made with synthesizers with those very synthesizers those very same synthesizers. I went on to make on and on that's this song Vince made it with his friend Jesse Saunders and it Is widely recognized as one of the very first songs in a whole new genre of music called house. House is a lot like disco but stripped down. So everything is good about disco the driving beat the passion and energy. It's all there like get rid of the big bands the storing lyrics the string sections. We just like the part that was posed to break down. Skip all that drama at the beginning all the foreplay. I guess I would say that house is to disco as Tang is to orange juice. It's got the Flavor of orange is just intensified and crammed into a little space. It's the sort of evolution of disco Renee Graham again as she started writing about music professionally. She watched this Evolution from disco to house unfold the great late. Great DJ Frankie Knuckles, you know called house music, you know discos Revenge Frankie Knuckles is known as The Godfather of house music hit DJ data black gay club in Chicago called the warehouse, which is why it's called house music. And as more and more artists started making this new music you could see how start to fill in the space disco once occupied Vince was too young to get into the warehouse. So he and his friends started throwing their own parties. These semi-legal all ages DJ parties at warehouses. The energy was insane. It was incredible, you know, just imagine just imagine you put fifteen hundred seventeen year old kids in a room unattended with music and these party started. Finally crazy in Chicago and other cities across the country. This is Love Can't Turn Around by Farley Jack Master Funk, which is a really famous house song but you probably haven't heard of it because house kind of stayed underground in the US but by the mid 80s, it started its own disco like Crescendo into the mainstream you start hearing stuff like this your rhythmic song on the radio, you never call It Disco or house, but it's built on both of them and through the 80s and 90s. You hear the This music Vince helped create and the Disco that inspired it in pop music everywhere. This is Bowie in 1983. Janet Jackson and 86. Vogue by Madonna Bill to Make You Dance It's got the four on the floor beat from disco the synthesizers from house and it sounds more like those two genres of music than anything else that came before disco did and then says if you look at the songs the top the charts now, it's still going all of these new pop mainstream songs that are favorites of the world over are built on Disco records are built on house. Music Kylie Minogue can't get you out of my head. What? Justin Bieber, what do you mean? In We Found Love by Rihanna, and now some of the most popular artists in the world are DJs and producers Calvin Harris Diplo Skrillex, Daft Punk, you can hear house and disco in all their music as they play stadiums in front of tens of thousands of people. So when Vince thinks back on what happened that night in July of 1979, I would say if someone say disco died that night. Wow, it's like okay dance music culture is big. Than it ever was at one point. It was the favorite of a very small group of people which Steve Dahl Drew affectionate little circles around and scorned and ridiculed. And now it's the music that Everyone likes the music of Our Generation. Hearing then say all this I found myself thinking like dance music is kind of right where disco was in 1979. So I asked for named Graham the music writer from before are we like are we going to have another disco demolition night? Is that it? Are we coming up on that? You know, it's not like, you know in the 70s you had only so many radio stations. So that's when it became a problem when people felt like, you know, they weren't hearing this song because they were again playing, you know casing the Sunshine Band. You know, you're not going to have that now because people just don't get music from a single Source anymore because of spotify and iTunes and Pandora and all the other ways you can get music, you know, you can listen to music all day and never ever hear Taylor Swift, you know, I mean, so I don't think there's going to be that kind of an issue where people feel like this thing has kind of taken over. You know, I don't necessarily think the world is more accepting of dance music, you know, I just think that there's a kind of you know for lack of a better term the way music is now kind of segregated, you know, we won't I don't think we're going to have a you know a dance. music demolition night Undone is hosted and produced by me Pat Walters along with Julia do it and manual bury. Our senior producer is Larissa Anderson. We are edited by Alan Burdick and Kaitlyn Kenny special. Thanks to Alice Echols Sasha frere-jones. AJ Cervantes Giorgio moroder Bob SC and Jesse rude wife for putting us on to this story in the first place special. Thanks to Renee Graham and Vince Lawrence who both made spot. Playlist for us up their favorite dance tracks inspired by house and disco check it out at gimlet media.com undone undone was conceived in collaboration with our friends at retro report the documentary film series that connects iconic news events of the past to today. You can find them at retro report dot org. This episode of undone was mixed and scored by Bobby Lord with additional music by Matt Bowl. Our fact Checker is Michelle Harris if you want to get in touch follow us on Twitter at undone show or email us at undone at gimlet media.com subscribe to undone on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts and if you like what you heard, please write a review. It really helps out will have a new episode next week. See you then. Hi, Matt. Hi, Julia producer at undone. I have one last song. I want to play for you because I was really bummed that we couldn't get in the story great and it's called Disco Duck. Oh, this is terrible. I was ahead top of the charts for a whole week in 1976. Why were you sad weren't able to include this. So like we just told the story about you know, how disco died. In like kind of people killed it, but the other part of it is that when this code gotten really popular it also like you know, that kind of bad. Disco Duck was like the original Terrible pop song Maybe. I think so. You have a different idea of what was the patient zero of horrible pop culture and music. Send us an email or write it in a review on iTunes. That's the best way to get in contact with us. Actually. We're shutting down our email. The only way to contact us is via iTunes review. All right. Well, thanks Julia. Thanks Pat. Bye.

One summer night in 1979, 50,000 people got together at a baseball stadium to kill disco. And it worked. Kind of. In this first episode of "Undone" we meet someone who worked as an usher at Disco Demolition Night and played a vital role in keeping the spirit of disco alive today. Our Sponsors Autotrader – To start searching for your new car go to autotrader.com/undone Squarespace - Go to squarespace.com and use the offer code UNDONE at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase Credits Undone is hosted by Pat Walters. Our senior producer is Larissa Anderson. Editing by Alan Burdick and Catlin Kenney. Fact checking by Michelle Harris. This episode of Undone was mixed and scored by Bobby Lord. With additional music by Matt Boll. Thanks also to Renee Graham and Vince Lawrence  … who made a Spotify playlist to go along with this episode. We also have a playlist with disco songs and disco inspired tunes that were used in this episode. Undone was conceived in collaboration with our friends at Retro Report, the documentary film series that connects iconic news events of the past ... to today. You can find them here.

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When you take a testosterone injection the best time to take the anti estrogen pill. What is the best time to take it well, it's actually the best time as the same time as you take the injection do the injection and then take the anti estrogen pill. So all testosterone peaks in the blood 24 hours or earlier after taking it. Okay, this is testosterones propionate testosterone an ante to start our own Zippy innate testosterone on Deck, Inouye. Even the Buddha. They all have a peak blood level that happens 24 hours after you inject it. Okay. So when your blood level of testosterone is the highest that's when you're going to be having the most estrogen effects. So take the anti-estrogen tablet the eczema stain the Arimidex the letrozole take it at the same time as you take Your testosterone injection and then you'll have the enzyme the aromatase enzyme that converts your testosterone into estrogen transforms it that enzyme that is naturally in you will be lowered. And then when you hit that spike in testosterone levels, if you're doing propionate, it's somewhere between an hour or two to three hours it spikes and then it holds for something like 12 hours and then it starts. Bentley decreasing in your blood levels so that it's gone from your blood about 72 hours after you've taken it testosterone and end date. It peaks in your blood about 24 hours after you do the injection and then it stays elevated slowly declining each day. The amount that is released each each day slowly declines. If you if you take up to 50 milligram shot of testosterone an ant ate the next day that's released about Out something like 25 milligrams of testosterone in your blood and then you know for until about three or four days after that. It's released in something around 20 20 or so milligrams, you know, it's just dropping off a little bit each day like 20 milligrams 18 milligrams 15 milligrams or so because then by about the fourth day or so you're you're only getting about 12 point about 12 milligrams or so ten milligrams 15. Grams of testosterone from that shot into your blood and then it begins to rapidly drop off from there. So that between seven days and 14 days or 21 days sometime between there. It's gone. It's completely out of you gone. There's no no more testosterone getting released in your blood two to three weeks later from a testosterone ananth eight. Shot so testosterone all inject all injectables. They Peak quickly in your blood. The reason why they take a while to kick in is because if you're taking long Esther drugs, those those dosages, you know that overlap between weeks one two, and three that's why it usually takes like three weeks or four weeks or so to start getting the strongest effects from injectables that are long Esther. You know, you're getting more amount of steroid because of the remnant from the past two or three weeks and then that's building up over three weeks in your blood to a higher amount to a higher total amount. So that's the cause of that. But all testosterone peaks very quickly in the blood. So take your anti-estrogen tablet when you do your testosterone injection. All right getting on to the first question. This one's from Derek. He asks. Good morning Dan. My next cycle is going to be the following and what would one expect with this run with diet and check and killing it at the gym. I like that killing it at the gym because that is what is required guys. Your you should be doing your sets at a major intensity. That's Killing it at the gym means. that means that when you're doing your sets you are trying as hard as humanly possible like when you do that that Max set because every workout This is a technique. You should be using very often. You know, when you're going real hard. Obviously, you can't be doing this all the time because you eventually won't be able to recover and you'll go into overtraining but doing one maximum set of as going as hard as you can. Go. Each time you go to the gym, you got to do this. At least one time. That doesn't mean that you're using a weight. You can only do for one rep know you could be doing this for 12 to 15 reps or ten reps 5 reps 8 It doesn't matter but what I mean is that during that set you're going until you can't move like you are going all out. You are not stopping before your body demands that you stop demands and and you're like screaming at your body to keep going. That's what intensity means and that that's how hard everybody should be training in the gym, especially if you do steroids, you know if you're worried about it. Jury, then you just got to be doing lighter weights, you know, so be doing this same kind of intensity, you know from 15 to 20 reps, you know with the lighter weights instead. And another thing about avoiding injury is that you got to be the the tempo or the Cadence of the Reps is so important what that means is lowering the weight slowly. Okay, a lot of guys when they do a bench press for example, they drop the so that they can kind of At the negative portion which is the the muscle building portion. It's this is so foolish, but they they drop the barbell on to their chest kind of and kind of catch it down there. And so and then they push it up slowly, you know, they're pushing as hard as they can. But you know, it's hard for them to do the concentric the positive part of the motion where they where they push it up and so When they're pushing it up. The the rep Cadence is that the bar is coming down quickly down to their chest quickly and then being pressed up slowly. And this is the exact opposite of what you want to do. You want to be bringing the bar down slowly under control and then pushing it up as fast as you can so the bar should look like on the bench press for example, it should look like it's moving downwards slowly and going upwards quickly. Okay, but all these dudes that I see in the gym the bar is going down to their chest quickly. And then up from their chest slowly. This is the exact opposite of how you want to be training and doing bodybuilding. And this is also one of the reasons why these guys get injured not doing that is one of the major ways to avoid injury. Okay it that makes no sense student. The reason that you were in the gym is to work your muscles. So if your muscles aren't in full control of the way, it's then that's not what you're doing. Okay? You're doing something else. So when you lower it the speed that you lower the weight at to your chest should be whatever speed allows you to maintain complete control of the weights. Okay, and then what you do is at any moment, if you wanted to you could stop the bar from traveling downwards as it's going down as it's going down from fully extended above your chest to down touching your chest during that whole time period where it's traveling downwards at any time if you wanted to you could stop the bar. Okay, it's not like diving downwards at all. And then once you get it down to your chest, then you press it up with all the power and speed that you can it doesn't matter if the weight is too light and and you feel like oh, well, I can just push it up slowly and and under control what you should push it up quickly and under Okay, so you should be using all your strength and power on every rep and people ask, you know, well, why do big big guys grunt more when they train that's because big guys know how to train their muscles and that's one of the reasons why they got big because when you do this, you have to kind of give out a grunting noise because you're going You're Going stretching stretching stretching and then you go. Oh and you press as hard as you can. Okay, that doesn't mean that it's not in your control it just Means that you press with all your speed your accelerating the way you're accelerating it. You should be accelerating it by pressing it as hard as you can if the weight is really really heavy for you. You won't be able to press it very fast. If the weight is lighter for you you'll be able to press it fast. Okay, that that's that's how this goes. So any was If your bench pressing the bar should be coming down slowly under control of the muscle and then pressing up as quickly and with as much power and acceleration as that person should do this is a way to avoid injury and it's a way to get big and yeah, you got a grunt when you do it because every single rep from one until 10 or 15 or however many reps you do every time you do the part that is pushing on the bench, press you're doing it. Hard as you freaking possibly can so, of course you're going to grunt or if you're doing a row every time you're bent over and it's extended down in front of you with your arm down near the ground when you pull up back towards your waist. Well, you're pulling up as hard and as with mud as much acceleration as you possibly can every time and then you're lowering it down at a speed where if you wanted to you could stop it anytime you wanted the same goes with the squats same. Goes with every exercise. This should always be what you're doing because if you're not doing this, you're not really training your muscles. You're doing something else. Hey, if you've been making a mistake and not doing this so far, that's okay just from now on put some more emphasis on the muscles. It's an ego thing. It is it's an ego thing to not want to do this. It's an ego thing. So the thing With this is that muscles work in a strength curve with their speed. Okay, so you can't actually get as much power as the muscles able to generate and as much force as it's able to generate if you do the the part where you make the muscle go from the stretch to the contraction to The Squeeze from the stretch to The Squeeze if you don't do that part as fast as you can then you won't be working the muscle to its maximum potential because you The muscle is stronger in the stretch portion. And when it moves to the closed portion, it's not as strong in those positions. So getting that momentum that you can generate that acceleration that you can generate from the bottom helps as the strength curve moves. That means when your muscle goes from the stretch portion. It's the strongest that it ever can be and then when it goes to the closed portion The Squeeze of the Then it's the weakest that it can be. Okay. So you want to accelerate through that so that you can learn to generate the most Force production and power possible. Natural training this is obviously how Evolution nature God intended our muscles to work. Duh. Wow. I got sidetracked on your question there Derek, but that was an important subject and you know what this podcast shouldn't be all about steroids because steroids are only one component of this shit and you can take as much steroids as you want. Okay with bodybuilding and you will not Reach your goals unless you got some of this training and diet stuff, right? Okay, and mostly the reality is with taking steroids is that you will not meet your goals. If you think that steroids are going to be some kind of shortcut or you see people that have the physiques already doing stuff. Okay doing stuff that makes you think it's a shortcut. If you don't do bodybuilding and steroids along with basically training and dieting as hard and as optimally as you can you want to achieve your goals even with steroids? It's crazy. Like if you think steroids are going to just do it like some kind of magic potion dude for the vast vast majority of people that is not the case is not the case. So Derek says it's next cycle. Is going to be one gram of testosterone per week. That's 1,000 milligrams with 600 milligrams Deca a week 50 milligrams and of our daily 50 milligrams d-ball daily 300 milligrams equipoise per week and 15 milligrams Cialis daily. Okay. So my first impression reading that is this is one of the big guys at the gym because like I've said in previous Casts most people that are big guys at your gym guys who will really muscular guys who you're like, wow, that guy's fucking jacked. Okay, when you see guys at your gym that look fuck and jacked. Well, they're usually always running something between 1500 milligrams to two thousand five hundred milligrams or so or three thousand or even as low as 1,000. You know, those are kind of a the outliers on the Spectrum, but it's mostly between one point 1500 to around 3,000 milligrams, two two and a half thousand or three thousand milligrams of total anabolic steroids per week. Okay, and what's this guy's cycle? Well one gram of test plus 600 Deca a week. Okay, that's 1.6 grams and then he's got 50 and of our and 50d ball daily. So that's 350 milligrams per week each. That's another 700 milligrams. So now we're at two. Point 3 to point 3 grams per week and then he says 300 milligrams equipoise per week. So now we're at two thousand six hundred milligrams total steroids per week. Yeah. This is the kind of cycle that people have to run you guys that it's a you know, is it true is it true? I get all these guys asking me is it true that does is that you say in your podcast that people really run that I'm like yeah dude. The only reason you You don't know that is because you're not you've never seen it with your own eyes that but but dude, trust me. Trust me people are doing it. I'm doing it. Okay around 1.5 grams per week. Anabolic steroids. That's what I used. Okay, and I'm as you can see from this podcast. It's not like I'm some outlandish steroid user. I'm some wacko crazy steroid user. No. No, I'm just Here I'm like, you know, I understand what you need to do, but I'm not being like really, you know, so aggressive and you know willing to sacrifice my health and shit and you know, I don't use Trend anymore or anything like that Etc. I'm a moderate guy. Okay. Anyways back to back to Derek's question also adding Tren when would you add and at what dose at the to the A point of being too much like where is the max dose on Trend not to have it destroyed my life so to speak. Thanks again Bud. Okay. Yeah, so tremble on at a hundred milligrams every other day. So 350 milligrams per week that that's two that's tolerable especially if you have well for me it wouldn't be tolerable if I didn't have cabergoline or pramipexole, but for some people maybe it would be tolerable I would have Have those but if I do have those one of those and I'm using that in conjunction with the tremble own then a hundred milligrams every other day 350 milligrams per week. That's tolerable for me. I mean, I've done that for months on end. I've done that for like four months non-stop before with a bunch of other steroids in there to done that back when I was like first starting out. I mean my first cycle I did that. Yeah, and it's fine. I mean, that's a great Trend dose to get all of the trend effects like Trend kicks in big time at that dose. And then it's 700 milligrams. I mean, yeah that feels OK too. But it that's the dosage 700 milligrams per week or once you see every day. That's the dosage where it really starts to like invade all. Of your life and you can't really control it anymore for most people with with drugs like pramipexole or cabergoline. Okay, like once people start going over 700 milligrams per week. That's that's when they start getting those effects. Most people can tolerate, you know, 700 milligrams per week and be okay. Well, if they have those ancillary drugs those drugs to run alongside it pramipexole or cabergoline. Most people can do 700 milligrams of trembling per week as a maximum dosage and be okay. It's going to be uncomfortable. But yeah, you can do it even if you're running cabergoline your dick might not work very well. And you know, here's another thing guys and I've said this before is that when you're on Trend blown your dick isn't as big so it Is a weird hormone, okay and attaches to so many different hormone receptors. It's in a way. It's like a universal hormone it attaches at some level to all hormone receptors more or less all sex hormone receptors in the body. So this attaches to the or has an effect on the Androgen receptors or some kind of receptors in your penis because it changes the way your penis is. Okay, so when you're using tremble You'll notice this this happens for everyone. Okay, and it's funny. No one talks about it though. But this does happen for everyone. You'll when you get an erection a boner you'll be like you look at it and be like, why is my dick a little bit smaller like what the fuck and then it'll be like that for like the whole it's not a huge amount. Okay. It's not a huge amount. It's just a little bit, you know. It's just slightly and and it's all around. It's like length and the width. You know, I'm not making this up. This is a real thing. This is a real thing. Okay, and everybody gets it everyone who used trembling gets it. I'm not make this is a fact laugh with people about it. Okay, because if you bring it up and you admit it, then maybe other people will admit it to but the average bodybuilder doesn't want to talk about this and it's going to lie. About this. Okay, that's just the way it is. But this is the way it is trembling makes your dick smaller while you use it and then after like two or three or four weeks or so after coming off of it, then your your reaction goes back to normal size. So that's an unfortunate effect of tremble own use and that pretty much happens at any dosage. Of tremble on any dosage. It doesn't matter. What dosage you use your dick is a little bit smaller while you use it and then it goes back afterwards three or four weeks after you stop using it. So yeah for the average bodybuilder 350 to 700 milligrams per week of tremble own is the maximum usage that they can tolerate and live a normal life and not be living a lifestyle. It's like they are dedicating their existence to bodybuilding when you go above that. That's where you and you're doing that all the time. It's going to be something more like, you know, this this person there they live for bodybuilding and that is it. That's because guys take two grams of trend per week that that's a 3cc trend acetate syringe everyday and guys do it. You know some of you guys that don't believe it. I'm like are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? Like you just you just put the syringe in there and you pull back the plunger and then it's full of three cc's of trend and then you stick it in your body and you inject it. Okay people do it. Okay, and it's not that uncommon, you know people that look like the cows that are on Trend, you know, they look like overgrown freak. That's because they're doing this. Okay damn damn, some people are so they're just so naive. Okay, you're so naive and I feel like some people are also plugged into the Matrix so to speak and you know do not want to know about reality and will fight to maintain the illusion. That is the Matrix of you know, low dose steroid use or no steroid use or natural, you know. He's natural, you know and they will fight to maintain this thing of like people do not take three CC syringes of Trenton and and they'll fight tooth and nail and they'll never believe and I'm like dude man, they'll fight to protect that when when when you tell them what is reality and so it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Don't be so naive. So your cycle looks good. You're going to be jacked as fuck Derek. Next question Jan asks. Hi. I have a question for your podcast. Do you think that Pharma anabolic androgenic steroids like testosterone decada Roblin Prima Bolin is often faked and are they the same risk for bacterial as with UGL any favorite pharmaceutical brand? Thanks. Yeah, they are faked if you don't buy them from a pharmacy. You have to watch out for them being fakes, but it all comes down to you know, do you use a reputable Source? You know who or what or how are you getting your gear? And you know, what is their reputation or their trust? Are they trustworthy if you're not buying it from a pharmacy. I mean you have to know those things and yeah, that's about it. They do have Codes and things like that ways to authenticate them. So it's not impossible at all to get pharmaceutical grade testosterone anywhere you are in the world, you know, that's that's doable. Yeah, it's more expensive but it also works way better. Okay, maybe it has the same amount of testosterone and when I say maybe I mean yeah plenty of you. Yells underground labs that produce steroids have fully dose steroids, you know testosterone, you know, the right milligrams inside the vial but it doesn't work as good as the pharmaceutical grid. Okay, that's pharmaceutical grade is made with a high stick standard for Purity. It has to pass government inspectors and shit. There is no quality assurance like that. That to that level where that high of equipment and cleanliness standards and purity of ingredients as happens inside those pharmaceutical grade companies. And you know, what being healthy is a huge part of making gains on steroids. So if your body is not healthy you the steroids will not work that good. So you're much healthier on Pharma grade gear and much less inflammation. Let much less inflammation markers. Like see reactive protein for one lot of underground gear people have C-reactive protein CRP levels High because of underground labs using synthetic oil in there steroids. So, you know, not organic normal natural oil like the pharmaceutical grade companies use, you know, grapeseed oil cottonseed oil castor oil. These will be made with some kind of freakin synthetic oil that was created in a laboratory. Okay. And it's not good for you. So not all underground labs use that but a lot of times this is the case. So there is a number of reasons why for massugu grade gear is the best and that's just the way it is. They do have pharmaceutical grade test Deca and Primo and you know for one thing when I was in Vietnam in Saigon, I was walking around through the streets, you know, they call it Ho Chi Minh City now that it's communist after we lost the war over there, but I was walking that round there in Saigon. I was going to the pharmacy is looking for steroids and found origin on Deck adorable on or June on substance on 250. And then some 50 milligrams per milliliter test probe indigenous Vietnamese brand bottom all took them at my apartment gave me high blood pressure and headaches. Yeah, really good really good high-quality stuff though can feel it like hours after taking it. So, I mean it's the best. Yeah, they're not the same risk as bacteria with the UGL their quality assurance standards. Are they have to be Pure or else they get recalled any favorite Farm of brand Jan asks. Yeah. I like bear bear Prima Boleyn and Bayer test Environ those two anabolic steroids are Awesome for me. That's the best. For me, that's the best both made in Europe like Germany or Spain or turkey or something. Those are the best places for them to be made manufactured there. And because they have the highest Purity standards and that's yeah, that's the best and then with the DECA the origin on Decca that that's the best. It's the same deck of that. They've been making its brand name deck adorable in the same stuff. The Arnold was using the same stuff with the bear. Printable and but they changed the name. It's still the same thing and it's still the same like ampoule and everything. They just changed. They took out the P from the from the Prima Belen another just call it re mobile and with a capital R. Okay. So the real bear Preamble and is called Remo Bolin. Okay, and the oil it is not running at all. It's actually very thick like thick honey, and it's not in. Electable with a syringe like more than 25 gauge or so. It just it just won't go you're just flat-out will not go it's it's the it's the density of a thick cool honey. It does not move around in the ampules. It's very very thick. This is the same thing though, you know, the Prima Belen is more thick than the bigger test of iron, but the bear test of iron also is very thick. It is not runny. It does not if you move the ampule, you know upside. Own it does not immediately just flow to the other side and be upside down. It's it would be a slow process of gradually moving down the ampoule to the other side. It's very thick the reason why they make them thicker like that in the bear the pharmaceutical grade beggar stuff is so that it stays in the injection Depot for longer period of time can't be cleared from the Spot in the body that you injected it for a longer period of time because then it allows for a longer disbursement throughout the body through the body as the molecules slowly get released over time over a period of a few days into the blood instead of with the thinner oil all the oil being absorbed into the body and cleared from the injection Depot the injection site, you know within one day or so. So it allows for a more smooth steady blood level. That's why they make it so thick like that. I also some other brands that I like I like. British dispensary and a ball That's pharmaceutical-grade Dianabol. It's really good. And I like you knew GHIN to unigine forms Pharmaceuticals is a really good company March Pharmaceuticals is also a very good company. Those are all pharmaceutical grade brands that do oral is mostly the the tried-and-true is the best ones for injectibles with pharmaceutical grade origin on and Bear. Those are the top pharmaceutical grade by far. But the other ones are great too. There's a bunch of different little brands in a bunch of different little company countries all over the world in Eastern Europe and in Asia and in the Middle East a bunch of these little indigenous countries that produce pharmaceutical grade anabolic steroids. All right. Next question Marco asks, can AAS increase cortisol? Yeah, they can if you are getting toxic on them, but some steroids decrease cortisol like Trend balloon in particular decreases cortisol huge amount and I can feel it. I can feel it. It's a strange contrast with the trend alone, but because it does excite you more and you would think that it would increase your stress levels and it Increase your stress levels, but the bodies sign of stretch the cortisol goes way down with the tremble own. So different steroids have different effects. And in general the way is to keep cortisol down our to eat a low inflammation diet. So eating mostly meat and then unprocessed foods with that like, you know carbohydrates that come from the ground something like potato or rice. or oats Corn maybe I mean maybe corn-based things or maybe we've based things maybe but those are not optimal mostly potato rice. Oh other grains that are whole grains that you eat. Those are the best source of carbohydrates to pair with your meat and then your inflammation and your whole body goes way down and you become much more healthy. If you live a lifestyle eating a diet like that. Next question is from jacked life. What's your preference for test two Trend ratio people. Say two to one. Mmm, I don't really do test the trend ratio. I know that people talk about that. But you know, this is the way it works the more fear the more steroids you use the more gains you make and the better everything works. So people say oh, well, I I don't want to run a high testosterone so that I avoid side effects. Well do you get Side effects from testosterone. I mean if you run an anti estrogen, do you get a lot of negative side effects from testosterone testosterone is an incredible muscle builder. So with me with taking steroids, I never go with any of that ratio shit. I think that's an internet thing that people on the internet started talking about that's not something that guys in real life are worrying about guys in gyms or worrying about because you got to remember that everything you've learned on the internet about You know a lot of it is just like just like folklore. It's just like bullshit that gets made up passed around and then it becomes like the general thought and then a bunch of little kids that have never used it repeat it to each other on the internet and then it becomes gospel and you know, frankly the way that you learn about steroids on forums and shit about how they work that is not that is not the reality that is not the real world. So test the trend ratio in my opinion is one of those things if you want to get as big and jacked as possible, then high dose testosterone is going to be your best friend. You have to use a high dose injectable. Like if you don't use high dose testosterone, then you would have to use high dose deck or high dose equipoise. It would have to be one of those three and you have to you know, you'd have to pair it with the tremble own. There's no way that you can unless you're looking to do one of these. these little these little things like these aesthetic boys these guys who they want to be like zis the male model, then you're not going to be doing any tests Trend ratio. If you're trying to get big injected thick you want to run a high dosage testosterone. So I'm always running like, you know, at least 500 milligrams per week of testosterone usually up to a gram or 1.5 grams of testosterone per week. And then I would add in you know, the Or dosage of tremble own something like 50 milligrams every other day or a hundred milligrams every other day and then you know, maybe even up to a hundred milligrams every day and I'll do that. Whatever was tolerable on top of my high testosterone dosage and that when you have the high testosterone in their the trembling works so much better than if you don't have the high testosterone in there. If you run the low testosterone with the tremble own, it's not the same experience as the high testosterone with the tremble own testosterone is Mega synergistic with all steroids. And with tremble on it creates like an explosive explosive environment for gains reality check asks, I picked up some Anna drawl. I've never ran it 50 milligrams pre-workout good. I tried it twice and got insane pumps and fullness tighten skin. Yeah, it works. It works pre-workout a bit like all steroids though. They have to get it they have to get into your system and they have to change your DNA expression. So the way that your DNA tells your muscles and the rest of your body to function and be they have to get into your body and like change some of that shit that's going on with that. So they have to build up in your system. So taking them only. Work out unless you work out five or six days a week. Then you could do that. It just won't be optimal. Yeah, it does work. It can help you have a better workout get a better pump. Like you said and be a bit, you know, maybe five pounds extra stronger. Maybe you could lift five pounds more weight for the same amount of reps or two and a half pounds more weight. But nothing too significant. If you pop 50 milligrams and a draw pre-workout, it's mainly if you take 50 milligrams every day, then it creates. A really big effect in the body now. Anna draw is one steroid. That actually doesn't work in the Androgen receptor. As far as scientists can detect as far as they can detect. It doesn't actually even get to your male hormone receptor and exert a bunch of affects their the scientists don't know how it works. They just know it does and we know it does and we know it's one of the best. Roads, because Anatole is sick contrary to popular belief at fifty to a hundred milligrams per day people run to you know, two or three tablets of an adult per day for, you know, huge amounts of time. Like, you know, a lot of guys powerlifters especially do that. They just they just do that. That's what they take and they take that basically all the time. Sometimes they take some breaks, but for the most part, that's what they do. And you know, you know what it is so effective when you get on that stuff, you just get strong. It doesn't matter if you eat or not. You just get strong muscle fibers turned to Steel get strong even hard enough muscles get really big pumps and I don't know what that thing about water retention. Is that people say about and raw they're like, yo use me water retention. What the fuck it gives you water retention. Inside your muscles, it gives you water retention inside your muscles now outside. You know what that means. It means it makes your muscles bigger bigger from the inside bigger more full more popping bursting against the skin and harder looking it does not make you look at a draw does not make you look less ripped. Bodybuilders take Anna draw on the day of their bodybuilding competition to help them carb up. That is a bullshit myth that makes you not be ripped. Andros dope I like to take it at 50 milligrams to a hundred milligrams per day. And just do that with my Cycles with my testosterone cycles. And you know what? I think that you know, I'm not glorifying this I said the word and Adderall is dope, but you know what? I don't think that was the best example, I was just sharing some wild experiences that I've had with Incredible strength and mass gains from an agile and looking hard at the same time. But on the flip side, I've had negative experiences. Is on a draw, you know what I had pharmaceutical grade and rowlock and a draw and said in the pamphlet and the inside, you know from the manufacturer that you could run, you know, one one milligram per kilogram up to 4 milligrams per kilogram of body weight for for people to for the doctors to prescribe it. So for me a hundred kilogram man at the time I was that's about 225 pounds. That's you know, okay. Well that says that doctor can prescribe me up to 400 milligrams per day. So I'm going to experiment taking this all the way up to 300 milligrams per day. That shit made me so sick. So sick eyes turned red. Totally bloodshot couldn't eat couldn't get out of bed felt like throwing up constantly could barely get to the gym thought. I like hated bodybuilding or something then finally figured out what was going on after like 10 days or so of that discontinued them and everything got better. So not Horrifying it guys not glorifying it. Just telling the honest pros and cons here honest pros and cons. Next question Andrew asks can HCG be mixed in the same syringe as testosterone intramuscular. Yes it can and how do I know this? Well, because I personally do it, you know, if you want to do HCG, it's such a small amount. It's only like two tenths for a 500 IU injection or 1000 IU injection is something like 2 tenths of a millimeter. Leader on your syringe on your 1 milliliter insulin syringe. So if you just and its water based so it flows through like nothing. So if you just want to use like a 5/8 inch needle with like a 30 gauge needle, so it's very thin. I mean you can just you know, the way that I do it is sometimes I just will go but I'll be put it like in my chest like in my pectoral or on the my hip flexor or ventral. Glute or the very uppermost part of my thigh area. I mean you can put anywhere because it's so it's such a small tiny injection of just a tiny little bit of substance. I just put it into anywhere that is lean. But I have also put it in the syringe with the testosterone before and you know, the testosterone doesn't like destroy it or anything like that because I watch for that and I mean HCG definitely still exerts its effects. Like there's no question based on personal experience that mixing it in the same syringe with this dosterone. It definitely still exerts its effects because I was wondering that too because when you put it in the same syringe as the testosterone, it goes kind of bubbly and separates because it doesn't really mix with the oil, you know, because water and oil don't mix so once that happens, it doesn't destroy it or anything though. I experimented with this on my own body and nope. He's still inject everything the whole contents of it of the syringe and yeah, it definitely works the HTG and the testosterone both so done it personally it works nisus asks, but bro, don't you think some dosage you say huge guys and Pros use is crazy is it not just genetics and work ethic? Like I said before it when you're going you gotta understand this man with Life is that there are people out there who are doing all out competition. Okay are so if you want to play with them, you got to play by their rules. Okay, and those rules are all out competition. So the average guy. No, he's not using some insane dosages. He's not using some insane dosages, you know, like 5,000 milligrams total a s anabolics per week 5,000 milligrams total steroids. Or something like that or more, you know, that's not the average guy but these are the guys who they have the mindset of all out competition and usually they are competitive bodybuilders, you know, almost all is they are competitive bodybuilders and that they know that they're competing in all out competition. And so when you have all out competition, well, you got guys with hard work ethic guys who are willing to work hard and you got guys Who are have the great genetics and you know, now you take these guys and put them together. Well now what's another variable that you can move in order to get an edge will supplementation. And how far are you willing to push that supplementation? Okay and different guys have different boundaries where they will go to and some guys really have absolutely no boundaries like basically as much as won't kill them right now, but maybe they think they could die. I don't know when but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened sometime. If you ask them, they'll tell you that. They send me that you know what they say these guys they talk to me. Okay, they talk to me. They send me messages online and I talk to them in real life and have some pretty interesting convert conversations with these monsters some of these monsters next question. Miguel asks I have never used HCG with PCT from many cycles including Trend. Should I do a cycle of HCG 1000 IU twice per week? I am able to get hard and have sex. However, I do not feel like my libido is where it should we I'm 46 years old. Yeah, you know that if your libido is down and you're on steroids, there's a few things that you can do. The first thing is you want to make sure that your estrogen is in range. So if you know that your estrogen is a decent level is somewhere in the normal range, then that would be time to move on to the next step. But the first thing that I would do if I was on cycle and everything seemed to be normal, but my sex drive. Messed up. The first thing that I would do is I take an anti estrogen tablet Arimidex letrozole or eczema stain. Okay, I'd take one and I wait about 24 hours and then see if it worked and then the next thing that I do if it didn't work is I would start taking HCG to two to three thousand I use per week and I do that in 1000 IU HCG injections Monday and Thursday or you know, Monday Wednesday Friday something like that and I I'd start doing that and I'd probably go through something like I might do that for for three or four weeks. This is I take HCG year round because I didn't like having this problem. So I just take HTG around now, but at 500 IU per week or yeah, something like 500 IU per week and but for you guys that don't that don't do that you could do that. You could try this to kick-start yourself, and this will usually work. When you take the HCG, you testicles produce a bunch of pro hormones and also your other hormonal glands in your brain, etcetera produce a bunch of pro hormones and sometimes that's what's lacking and making your sex drive not work. So when you take HTG, it normally will solve this if that's the problem. So begin taking that usually taking it for three or four weeks or six to eight weeks and then stopping will have solved the problem while you're on it and then Then after you're off, you know, usually it stays solved. Usually that just fixes it for a while and then it'll come back Phantom Lee sometime again down the road and have to do another run of HCG again, and I got sick of dealing with that. That's why I started taking the HCG 500 IU per week year round so that I wasn't dealing with that anymore. If that didn't work though. Then the next thing that I would do is I'd take cabergoline and take Point five milligrams. My probably take point two five milligrams twice per week and see if that fixed it or maybe just a single point 5 milligram tablet of cabergoline and see if that worked and in 24 hours or so, I'd know those are the steps that I would take if I was on cycle and having sex drive issues in that order. Those are the steps that I'd taken that order. Okay, the next question is from are boy. He says what different cosmetic effects do different testosterone Esters give yeah, so they don't really give different cosmetic effects except for testosterone suspension and testosterone propionate. Like I'm talking the common Esters that people get testosterone suspension and testosterone propionate do give a more round Bolder look to the muscles or promote that like like balls. Shaped muscle filling them up with glycogen better and it's also a less less Ender at estrogenic testosterone propionate. I almost got tongue-tied is less estra genic and then other than that like an ant a sippy innate sauce turn on on deck and Away etcetera. They don't really change the look of your body, but they they're they're just a little different. They're not they're not quite as bang bang as testosterone propionate or testosterone suspension are those two or I guess some more Uncommon Esters would be something like testosterone acetate, but that's very uncommon. And when the when the testosterone hits you fast like that, it has a different effect on your muscles and gives a more bodybuilding effect to them rather than the slow long Esters that are meant for testosterone replacement therapy. The quick-acting Esters have always been favored by athletes as performance-enhancing drugs the quick-acting Esters of injectable anabolic steroids. AIDS Okay. Next question is from SCC. Can I put Deca and test in the same syringe I was doing in one arm and the other in other arm but pinning twice, I can't stand it. Yeah, you can put multiple steroids in the same syringe and they will look mixed up in there. Like they'll usually go into solution. Once you put multiple steroids from different vials or different ampules Etc into the same syringe. Generally if you leave a little air bubble in there you can turn the syringe Sit down and then right back up upside down and then right back up and that little air bubble can mix it up and make it go into Solutions so that there's just looks like it's only came from one vial again. It mixes up clear or yellow or whatever the color ends up being that's not necessary to do that. I'm just saying they do mix like that. But yeah, absolutely. There's no problem with mixing together different steroids from different vials. He's into the same syringe. That's totally common when I was using 700 milligrams Primo Bolin per week with 700 milligrams testosterone propionate per week. I had 50 milligrams per milliliter test propionate and then I had 100 milligrams per milliliter pre mobile. And so I had to take two cc's of the testosterone propionate. Milligrams per milliliter per day to make it 100 milligrams test probe and then I had to take one cc of Prima Belen per day. So I did a 3 cc syringe with two ccs test probe and once you see Preamble in every day, and that came up to 700 milligrams of Primo Boleyn and 700 milligrams of testosterone propionate per week. And that was a great cycle. It's a great bodybuilding cycle one of the best. No tomorrow asks, how do you reconstitute and inject growth hormone? What is the procedure? And what is the difference between growth hormone vials and vials and pens? This is really good question. I'm glad that you asked this so growth hormone comes in two different forms it either comes in vials that they're like five milliliter there about five milliliter vials usually and they'll have a white chalk. substance on the bottom of the vial and that is the growth hormone there, but it will be dry inside the vial and you have to mix it with water. And then the other type is growth hormone that comes in a pen. It'll either have a section of water for mixing inside the pen with a section of powder or will already be mixed. So it'll just be a solution like it comes as a pre-mixed water solution of growth hormone in the pain and these pain growth hormones are superior. They have special. Vacuum seal technology and preservatives in them that they are The Cutting Edge technology in growth hormone, and they can be even left outside for the most part most of these brands that use the pen technology can be left outside of the refrigerator at room temperature for around a month and still maintain maximum potency manufacturer's guarantee. And so Is really good because growth hormone has to ship and when growth hormone has to ship. If you have these pens, there's no there's no degradation going on, you know, unless you bought it straight from the pharmacy. If you bought it straight from the pharmacy and you know that Pharmacy got it and they bought it, you know from a government license company, then you know, it wouldn't matter but because it would have always been refrigerated but you know what if before it came to your country, it was shipped from some other country. Well, you know, it can be degrading during that process. And that's one of the reasons that's one of the Main reasons why you know, these pens are the superior technology and you know, that's that's the best you can get in growth hormone. Nordia tropen Jenna tropen. There's a few other brands out there too that have pens but for the most part norda troponin Janet rope and are the top the two top best varieties of human growth hormone the pens that they produce that exists and as far as Nordic open, there is no vials of naughty tropen. So if you buy Nordy Trope in vials, it's fake. So as far as the the vials the human growth hormone that comes in the vials you have stuff like serous Tim or you have stuff like gin tropen jint rope and made for the Russian Market that's legit real pharmaceutical grade growth hormone manufactured under government license in China and then sold to Russia and used in hospitals in Russia. Okay, and always comes in all Russian. Riding. Okay, there's no there's no English on it. It's all Russian. Okay, that gin tropen is legit human growth hormone. There is some legit Hydra tropen being made but it's harder to come by and there's also fake Hydra tropen being made at a lot of them. There's a lot of them and they're even sold for example if you go to Countries in Asia and look in their pharmacies. Some of them will be selling fake Hydra tropen which is kind of disturbing. So anyways, if you get growth hormone that comes in a vial. What you do what I do. Because I do not support or encourage any of this. When I do or would do what I would do is pop off the top the plastic top of the growth hormone vial and then I would take an ampoule of bacteriostatic water. It contains a sodium chloride solution for sterilization in the water and it's the proper Priya pH for injecting so usually comes in an ampule. And you can usually buy this from the pharmacy, even if you live in a western country. If not, it's available. You know, you should be able to get your hands on some bacteriostatic water. So it's a sodium chloride solution sterile water proper pH for injection and you take it. I would take it into the insulin syringe and I'd fill up a one milliliter insulin syringe with the bacteriostatic water after I broke off the top of the ampule for Back to your static water. And the way that I break off the ampoule on the top is I hold the bottom of the ampule and then I hold I put a piece of cloth in my hand to protect my hand and I hold the bottom of the ampulla and then I put another piece of cloth in the other hand hold the top of the ampule and I hold it in such a way that my you know, I would hold it with my left arm straight out in front of me and then I would turn On my right arm upside down so that my thumbs were touching and that's so my my right arm would be like upside down out in front of me over. My left arm that was out in front of me. So so that the thumbs were touching the thumbs were touching and then I would crack it. I'd crack it off by twisting that a by keeping that bottom left arm straight out in front of me and then using the right hand that was Down with the thumb touching the left-handed thumb, I would crack it towards back towards the right side of my body. I'd crack it right off crack the top right off and get that bacteriostatic water into the insulin syringe and then I would put it into the growth hormone vial that I had just taken the plastic top off of and I would slowly press the plunger down on the syringe so that the water The bacteriostatic water then went into the growth hormone vial and then the growth hormone within 30 seconds at the absolute. Max would be dissolved completely in the water, but the very bottom of the vial. Might have some growth hormone kind of sticking to it a little bit. And so I might kind of have to turn the vial slowly back and forth upside down and right side up and kind of swirl the vial around to kind of break up or just dissolve give it a little a little booster to help dissolve that bottom a little bit of sticky stuff that might be a residue of growth hormone on the bottom of the vial. So once it was a clear mixed solution Ocean I'd wait for the the bubbles to go down because there's always some air bubbles inside the have to go down and then it would be a clear mixed solution. It would just look like water inside the vial and I would take the syringe and I would pull back if it's usually at NIU vile and I put 1 1 cc 1 milliliter of water in it. So that means that each tenth of a cc is going to be one. I you so if I wanted to do a for IU injection, then I'd pull the 1 milliliter insulin syringe back to the 4 which would be 4 tenths of one milliliter and then I would take that syringe out of the vial and I'd take it to my belly button area and I would squeeze the skin and fat around my belly button area between my fingers so that I was holding a bit of skin and like belly fat area or skin area near the belly I'd pull it out from my body said it was pulled out in front of me. And then as I had that chunk of Flesh there in between my fingers, then I would use my other hand and I would plunge the little needle, you know, it's like a half inch needle or a 5/18 of an inch needle on a 30 gauge or a 29 gauge or 31 gauge needle on the syringe was very small and I would plunge that That into that flesh that was down that I was holding, you know, I was pulling it out from next to my belly button holding it out in front of me that flesh and I would I would plunge the needle into that while I was still holding it and then I would do the injection. I would hold I would use my my pointer finger then or my thumb or whatever to then go shoot and push the growth hormone from the syringe down into the fact. I don't inject the growth hormone into the muscle because into the It's quicker it goes in and out of you faster. So it does give you a like a higher igf-1 level but it's more brief. If you put it in the fat it stays in your body longer and quite a bit longer and the igf-1 levels really aren't that much lower either. So it traditionally growth hormone has been taken in the fat. That's the way it has been traditionally used in bodybuilding some people take it in the muscle, you know, anecdotally growth hormone. Own adds a lot more water retention if it's injected intramuscularly because of the speed at which it goes through you causes a lot of swelling going into the fat and doing a subcutaneous injection with growth hormone is it's preferable. So anyways, I'd be holding that flash. I'd do the growth hormone injection, then when I was finished and I'd pull the needle out right away and then I'd throw it away and you know mind you two before I did the injection I would use I would use isopropyl or rubbing alcohol, whatever you want to call it isopropyl alcohol. I would use that either from an alcohol swab pad like a like a cotton cotton pad with the alcohol on it that comes in a little package or I would take it from the bottle the alcohol from a bottle of isopropyl alcohol and I would rub it on the area that I was going to do the injection first before I did before I put any needles in me. I would clean and sterilize the area with that alcohol first. Okay, so that goes for intramuscular injections and subcutaneous injections subcutaneous means through the skin into the fat area. Okay, and the final question of today is from Tony Cristo. How do you deal with body hair? Do steroids increase the hair? Yeah, they do seem to increase the hair. I'm naturally a hairy hairy guide not super hairy, you know not ridiculously hairy or anything like that, but I think I hit puberty a little bit quicker than a majority of guys and started having those kind of androgenic effects a little bit quicker. So I was a bit self-conscious of it personally when I was when I was younger because I was about 15 about 15 14 or 15 when I started growing some hair around my chest and stomach area nipple area to and didn't want that there. So I used to shave it back then but as it got longer and more course shaving it, you know close with a razor would cause a lot of irritation so I like to have some body hair nowadays because chicks dig it. They do it's in there. It's in their biology to like it. So they like it. And I've grown up a little bit. I've grown up a little bit. So I'm not I'm not like trying to be a little boy anymore. I understand that guys want to remove body hair. But I mean if you're naturally a guy that has body hair don't be too like obsessive or freakish out about it because I used to be really self-conscious about it. When I was a young guy I would I would like did not want people to know that I grew chest hair and stomach hair. Have a go to Great Lengths to stop prevent people from knowing that by shaving so smoothly and timing my shaves. But yeah, I got over that. So now now I embrace it. What I do. What I do is the back hair. I just get I asked someone to shave that off of me and it doesn't matter what razor I use but usually I have like a hair razor, you know for cutting hair. And or you can use the Sideburn trimmer on the electric face razor the Sideburn trimmer, both of those will work or one that's for cutting hair like had hair and then you just ask somebody to shave it off your back or you can kind of use like a bit crazier on your back. If you look in the mirror and shave with your arm behind your back you can usually reach most spots but asking someone else to do it as better and then like with with with my chest and stomach I just do the same thing, but I just use the the electric razor only and that way there's no irritation ever because I hate getting that razor burn and hate getting those bumps when the hair grows back. So yeah, it's not like super smooth ever or like I'm a pre-adolescent boy ever or whatever but I think it's better to just embrace the chest hair didn't especially you know, it matters what your race is like Asian guys. They don't have a lot of chest hair. Are some Mexican guys have more hair than others but most of them don't have so much chest hair at least in my experience black guys. Some of them have a lot of chest hair and then others of them do not but I think they do in general. They have more chest hair than some of the other races but it seems to be that white guys and Middle Eastern guys have the most hair. They're the most Harry in general. Probably to protect the light skin. That's probably how it evolved to protect the light skin from the Sun by growing growing that hair to cover because I mean for me my body heard does protect me from the Sun like if I get sunburned the area that has more hair on it body hair on it. It will not get sunburned and then the area that does that is just no hair. Just skin that area will get sunburn or it will be worse. Text me from the Sun. But just just shave it a little bit if you want, I would I would recommend not thinking about it too much not thinking about it too much. Don't try to be too smooth. And that's going to be the last question for today guys. 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Security is always like I hate these life coaches. He's 20 year old life coaches there. What? Can you possibly teach me 20 year old life coach, right? He probably had that voice in the back of your head. No, I'll tell you something. I didn't have that voice in the back of my head. I had that voice literally talking to me because in episode 33 or 34 of askgaryvee way back I sent in the clip and it got featured and the video is called personal branding something something out on a previous Gary. My name is Rafael I run the Personal development YouTube channel. My question to you is what would you do if you were starting over and building your personal brand all over again? Basically getting the name Gary Vee out there all over again in this day and age, what would you do to go out there and really spread the word and to get yourself known? I love this question and boy I'm going to set up do I have a really good answer for this because you and thanks for the question and every other youngster needs to hear this really really loud. Clear and this is not being disrespectful because I was a 22 year old genius business person in my mind because of what I did but I would do exactly what I did which is for the first 10 years of my professional career. I didn't say a damn thing. And in that clip Gary V shows me asking for personal branding advice and then he ripped me a new one and I got directly torn two little pieces like and it was the best thing ever been, you know, the thing was at that stage. Age I already had a successful business that probably just hit six figures I think around that time and I already had a bunch of clients that love me and actually on that video on Facebook and I think on the YouTube videos well people stepped in and we're like, you don't actually know Raphael like he's actually really good and he gets results and he's awesome. And you know, you shouldn't assume all of this just because he's young that's kind of really silly like he has like, I think at that point, I probably already had at least a thousand hours of coaching them if not more which is more than even Let our certified and 50 years old starting life coaching so as interesting, but yeah, it was a tough one because in the beginning in the very beginning before Gary Vee that thing wasn't such a big deal because I had already got the experience. But before that family friends, you know, when I started just saying look you're you're you're you don't know what you're talking about. Like you have no experience go to school get a job and then you can start doing this stuff and the truth is the market doesn't care and you'll hear you will hear Gary say this. Stew and you'll hear all the business girls say this the market does not care. Here's what the market cares about. Do you have value? Can you solve a problem? Can you help somebody for real? Can you sell can you sell if you cannot sell you cannot deliver, right? So you need to know all those things. I built those skills. I got paid. It's that simple. So, how old are you? How old were you when you decided to become a coach 1818 right? So you hadn't gone to college you just knew that you know what this is what I want to do. I want to help people live. Our lives right? I mean when I was 18, I got into self-improvement really deep. I was already into it when I was 16, but at 18 I decided this is something I want to do with my life and I had done an exchange student here in the UK. I'm from Norway. So I traveled over there basically left all my friends everything. It was crazy. It's a felt like a really big deal at the time you can imagine you're like 16 years old and 16 17. And so I went over there, you know for met my soul mates basically amazing my girlfriend been together for six years. And yeah that time I mean it's it was just it was like knowing that this was something that really resonated with me and there was something powerful. It was the most it was the thing. I was most excited about and that's how you know, it was a joy and that's when I decided yes, this is something I just knew I like self-help. That's what I knew and I started getting coaching I paid for it. I didn't have the money. I've worked the job as a janitor when we came back to Norway together. It was embarrassing like my friends new family new. This is what I was doing to pay. For the coaching and pave to build my brand and so I paid my dues for sure like and I paid them hard and I lived on very little and yeah, I sacrificed solutely. Absolutely. So how was it for you? I mean you're this kid right trying to build a coaching business. You're you're cleaning the floors in your school where you went to you and you're talking to people about success, right? How did you go through that? Because I'm sure that people were like, are you crazy? Like, don't you? Don't you see your life, but how can you talk about success when you're mopping floors in the school? Good question. Yeah, I mean I wasn't talking about success. I wasn't talking about being famous or making millions of dollars. I never pretended to be someone I'm not I didn't lie or bullshit people and that's the big thing. You know, I didn't go. Oh, I'm the expert. I never said that. I just made videos based on questions that people were asking right. I just looked up stuff on forums and I was like, oh people need help with this like, let me try it. Yeah, you know and then I saw questions and comments of like a video that was popular and I would reply that was me every day. Why would look I actually cared about the people it wasn't like. Oh, hey look at me. I'm a life coach know if people get the wrong impression and I think that's probably why you know someone like Gary prejudged it because you didn't realize like I was coming from humbleness. I wasn't trying to be the authority. I was building my personal brand in a way where hey look if you need help with something. Let me try my best. That was me. All right, and then not one of them not one expert now people pay me a lot of money. Now, you know companies will pay me huge sums to work with them. I have clients that will fly me out. You know, I've spent 30 days with the client and person he cracked seven figures with his real estate company like crazy stuff, you know, amazing amazing clients. I like I love working with them. You know, I worked with the guy that runs the highest-rated dog training company in the United States incredible incredible people like amazing, but at that time I wasn't working with those people at that time. I Working with you know, someone who needed accountability in going and doing their meditation and you know reading and that was my Niche it was like accountability coaching. So I wasn't trying to say hey, I'm an expert. I know everything I was more like hey, you know what you should be doing but you're not doing it. Let me help you do it. That's it. I'm not going to pretend that. I know what's right. I'm just going to help you do what you're doing. I'm going to help you stick to your word. That was my phrase. I was like I help you actually do the things you said you would. With that was it? Yes. I'm I'm not the expert. I'm not you got it. I'm not telling you that I know because I don't but I know that you know, and I kind of know so let me help you do it and that's it. Isn't it? Isn't that kind of what a personal trainer is? I love that so much. I love that so much and um, you know, I've personally been guilty of kind of know my girlfriend is like no you never did that. You never position yourself as something to you. But I feel that I kind of did it, you know that I know I felt that I needed to position myself as knowing more than I did. Yeah, just to kind of compensate for a while I discovered is exactly what you're saying, like instead of positioning yourself as this expert allowing yourself to be vulnerable and saying look, I don't know everything. You know, what you need to do. I'm just here to help. Let me help. I love that. I love service service service not expertise coaching is a relationship business. It's Not about doing a funnel stop your clickfunnels. Okay, I'm sorry. This is controversial but it's true cancel your subscription cancel your website cancel all your social media. And here's what I want you to do. If you want coaching clients talk to people talk to them genuinely care about them see what they need help with and if you think if you have the audacity to think that in some way you can maybe help them a little bit offer them a free one hour two hours three hours session where you just give give Give give give give and I know this is controversial because you should have the funnel but if you're starting out and that's what you're asking me don't do any of that. It's stupid. It's still even today people don't like being sold stuff just give value build a relationship show that you can genuinely contribute and now hey, would you like to you know, would you like to work with me? It does this is this nice. Do you like this? And that's humble? It's not being an expert. Hey, okay, let's do this now Visa or Mastercard like the you know the card own clothes or whatever and I love it like it's great stuff. Get me wrong sales is awesome. But you've got to have context and you've got a build value for real not pretend to build value on the video where you say. Hey, I'm the expert and listen to me. I never did that. I only leverage real stuff that I actually did now because people would still think like oh, who is this get right so I'm like, okay, I'll leverage it a little bit. But even then I stay away from it. Like I could easily drive a fancy sports car and I don't I could have easily bought a cash cash. Not not leasing it. Mr. Internet marketer. I Buy it straight. I don't have a problem. Right I was gonna you know, I was going to do that and then I realized that's silly be authentic, you know do this real stuff and that's you know, don't be one of these guys because I hate that stuff. It's so it's so obnoxious and you're just fronting and you're trying to look cool ever have like somebody teach you a coach who in sales saying that you need to close immediately like these qualifying questions and then immediately closed the person get the money and then they're coaching them. Yeah. Yeah, I III do that now sounds sounds contradicting right but no I had people tell me that right from the gecko. It's a mistake. And once you have value you can do it. I can do that now, I don't have to talk to anybody who can afford to work with me. What's the point right? But I'll still do it. I still give the value calls. I still did why because it's a mindset of being in relationships. And I sometimes I do a straight sales call. Like let's say I have a high-end client, you know, he's paying 10K a month and he says look I got this guy, you know, he wants to get a coach and you're the Last guy I mean I've ever worked with and I've had like seven different coaches. So, how about this? How about you work with them? I say yeah. Okay. Tell him to call me or tell him to email me. So I make him reach out to me and then I set the call and I'll probably close in that call. Why because I have leverage I have positioning. I have all these things and I don't need to do this anymore because the values already built. The person is already sold for I don't lie, but if they don't have that context, you can't sell stop selling with your clickfunnels thing someone watch two videos of yours, and then you're like, I'm Looking for three more of my dream clients sure. You are and everybody else, right? Okay. Yeah, I'll click on your schedule and then they talk to you and they just know you're full of it and nobody wants to buy that actually build relationships with you. If you're new, if you have a lot of experience, you know, if you've been working for me like five years, you know coach AB 9,000 hours of coaching logged 9000. Okay, you can charge straight away if you really want to and even now I'm reluctant. I still do the free calls. I still don't close a lot of the time I leave so much money on the table. Well, and you know, I learned that from from people like Gary like just leave money on the table and be a nice person. Guess what later on you'll make more. Hey, just wanted to hop in here and say that if you're enjoying my videos and you would like to take your life to the next level. I invite you to hop on a free 30-minute call with me by going to ring Raphael.com. If you want to speak to me personally and get a customized strategy and game plan and some real advice to help you progress and really Grow tremendously exponentially again, just go to ring Raphael.com. That way you can schedule our session and I can talk to you very very soon. This is stuff that you learn from a lot of people but and I don't personally think it's wrong because it really worked for them. It has to do a lot with you character and just trying different things and figure out what is your profile prefer style and I like this idea a lot but the rationale behind this type of selling for everybody listening in is that if you give too much value on the call, then the person will feel like they got the solution to their problems and then they're going to say, you know what I know what I need to do I do. To hire you that's like they're thinking in the back of their heads and you're not going to apply anything because they didn't sign up for your coaching. You know, what let me tell you something. Let me bust that myth right now total BS. Here's why because if you're really a good coach you can make someone invest emotionally and you without them paying you a single dollar hundred percent. You know, why because look at look at somebody who's big and and on social and watch how many thank you messages they get from people that never even got coaching from them watch the video when an implemented and became a millionaire. Now I have those people. I have people that email me that they never even got a session. So you're telling me if you get one-on-one with somebody you can't get them a result. They invested their time. What's what kind of bullshit is that like, I'm sorry, but it's true. It's just an excuse for you to try to sell all the time. It's just a rationalization to say oh you need people to pay right away and the truth is in coaching. It's a relationship and if you don't have a relationship, you don't have no money and even if they buy from you, they'll know one month two months three months my clients. Stay with me for four five. Years. Listen to me. I really want this to click for people. I don't go through churn rate. I don't have O next month. I need to get five new people because oh my God my list isn't I keep people because I really really really get results and that's all that matters. And so of course, there are people that will take that free call and do nothing with it. Even though you poured it on even though you tried to get them to connect. Yes, but it's a small price to pay. Oh, yeah doesn't really really matter. What was your some of your biggest challenges in? The beginning. Yeah, I mean just the fears the limiting beliefs you know it for sure. I mean, you've probably gone through it yourself like you just you maybe you feel like an imposter. So it's about instead of what I say is don't try to just get over it. That's what people will tell you on the internet. That's like Get over yourself and just do it. Anyway, no change the approach to what feels real and authentic. That's what I did instead of just getting over it like condition yourself for Success. Incantations are great. I love Romans I use but I make it normal. I don't make it weird. I don't make it weird to get a client because if it's weird to get a client then then now you're reaching and if you're reaching nobody wants to work with you. Can you describe that? Why would you what do you mean like we're to get a client right? It's because you're not bringing enough value. It would be if you don't do you know if you try to close on the first call, it feels weird you ever had a tension where it's like you try to close and it doesn't any are like and now you gotta handle objections. That's when you messed up. I'm not saying don't have an objection so you can still use Those skills but if there's a lot of resistance you might say. Oh, it's that other person ask yourself this how well do they know me? First of all, have they been watching for a year? Because if that's get it that's the case. Okay, then you should probably close but if the case is they watch like three videos got on the call because it was free and now you're trying to you know, get them to commit $5,000 a month. Hmm. I wonder what's wrong, you know like yeah. Oh, yeah, just close like okay sure. It's interesting. Yeah, it's just like getting Day, like the person who's never met you and you're like, whoa, do you want to get married? Yeah. Yeah. Let's just do it now. Yeah, and they're like, you know, I'd like to get to know you better first and then you go. All right. I'm goin to Jackson handle this. Yeah, you're like actually I agree with you. I'm on your team. But however consider this if we get married now, you'll get half my net worth. How does that sound? Like oh my God, what are you doing? It's ridiculous love that. I love that. How did you overcome like all of the leaves that you initially had about yourself? And you know how the world should be. I mean guys the fling go and check out Rafael's YouTube channel, and I know he's probably not gonna like it but go scroll down watch his first video watch his first because you know, why? No, I because I love it so much. Because you're gonna see two totally different people, right? Yeah to like you're going to see Raphael starting out and you can it's not only that there's no absolutely no light in that video, right? You are actually in the process of allowing the light from your heart to shine through more in your life and you see like a total difference, but you just started out. Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, you know, the thing is honestly like it's just practice right you're not Good at something when you start and so that's the whole thing about trying to be an authority. That's the whole thing about impostor syndrome. That's the whole thing about beginning as a coach. You know, you're just not you're not good. And so you just got to work at it. And so you're right. I was being authentic to who I was then I was tryharding. I mean you can see on the video. I'm like, all right, fucking blah blah blah, you know, I'm like swearing and being weird. It's like really awkward. I've never done. Oh, no never. Oh, yeah. You're right. Yeah, I know. It's you know, you're all doing it. Yeah, that mean exactly and I even do it now. What am I above it now? I'm not above it. I still do weird stuff that makes no sense. I was you know, I just hired like a bunch of people and my team is expanding on my business is growing. It's amazing. But what I was doing before it was so stupid. I was like trying to you know, do everything myself like, oh, let me do the Facebook post and let me do the YouTube and let me do you know LinkedIn and Instagram and do this not now I have team members. As for each platform and then I just manage and train them and it's like you just do dumb stuff people do dumb stuff and then you learn hopefully you have enough awareness to notice that you're being stupid or you know, God forbid you actually hired a coach right and they actually helped you go. Hey, here's how you're being an idiot do this instead and then you're going to be happy and fulfilled and you're going to do well who would've known right people starting out and you know who are trying to build the and select their audiences. How did you select your audience? And how do you find topics? You videos great question. Yeah, I think it's actually fairly easy. You just look at who you can help the most instead of trying to think here's my ideal client because they have the money which is the biggest mistake. Everybody makes I'm gonna go Target six-figure earners and coaches because they have money so I'm going to teach them how to get clients, but I've never gotten them myself. I hate that so much. It makes me feel sick to my stomach. I'm sorry. It's just it's yes, but if you know how to help them awesome if you don't don't do it, you know. Just do something else. But if you are doing it and you're successful great, maybe if you're gonna do that, here's my suggestion. If you want to Target a high ideal client and you think that's who you can help the most and they have more money to spend and what are you can charge them or don't charge them or right away charge less be humble. Give service get results work your ass off like legitimately and then they will praise you and talk about you and you'll get infinite clients. So the focus is not so important to say who you're going to help based on your ideas. What you think the market needs it's get out of your head and start talking to people and say what's your biggest problem in your life? What are you struggling with asked five friends and maybe out of them. You can identify one person that would be perfect to work with maybe out of 20 people go to a networking event. Ask these questions at genuinely care about people in be interested. That's the best way and the same thing goes for Content strategy. I don't go around going. Oh, here's the best video that I think will serve the Universe. I mean by all means I'm not against that I still have that. That feeling in my heart, but I combine that with what's a real question. Someone asked me. What's a real question. Someone is asking me you know, what something that someone is actually struggling with and they need help. They don't have a solution yet. Because if you're just solving a problem that sort of been solved like top 10 self-help books to read that's cool. You can make of it like that and get some views and that's that's awesome. I'm not bashing it. But what I am saying is if you really want to serve somebody think about what they really need, what are they paying points, you know and again identify who can help most Important that's the key. Hey just wanted to hop in here and say that if you're enjoying my videos and you would like to take your life to the next level. I invite you to hop on a free 30-minute call with me by going to ring Raphael.com. If you want to speak to me personally and get a customized strategy and game plan and some real advice to help you progress and really grow tremendously exponentially again, just go to ring Rafael. Dot-com that way you can schedule our session and I can talk to you very very soon. I love what you're saying. Just getting in touch with people talking getting in the comments and asking what didn't need help with and allowing them to be your source of inspiration owner of content superpower. One last question. What would you if you had Raphael 18 years old right now with us in a conversation, what would you say? You know, honestly, I would say this is exactly what you need. Go through enjoy that would be it because pure ano it purifies you like go through the fire and you will be cleansed. It sounds like some cold thing but it's the real stuff like you need to go through this if you're going to be the expert right now stop if you think you're someone you're not stop if you're trying to do something that doesn't feel right to you. And you know, you can't really help somebody and you feel like an impostor stop get good and then help get good and then help find someone to help help them same goes for products. You know find the product people need design something that people would actually use and like and there's a gap. That's what business is supply and demand right. So increase your Demand by making your supply better. That's so nice. It's so nice. Yeah, I think it takes a bit of proximate bit of practice as well. Because in the beginning you're going to be like am I being an imposter right now? And even if you are going to feel like you're not being one, you know and just like initiating that internal dialogue. Log where you know you're being honest with yourself when you know that you're not being honest with yourself that takes a bit of practice to yeah, it's not it's not the instant fix it takes time and you have to eat self-awareness and journal and I used all those tools of course to their important, you know, ask yourself. Like what am I re everyday? I re-evaluate I go. You know, what? Am I really doing here? Does this make sense? Is this leading me to where I want to go? Is this really helping people on the highest level and my really serving who I can best serve you got a question yourself if you don't have a coach, especially You need to be coaching yourself hard, you know and you should get a CO everybody should have a coach if you don't have a coach, you're weird. You're you you're not going to be that one guy that's on social media and he's like I never needed that scary. Right? Like I never needed that's like winning the lottery with with your genetics. Did Coach earlier on he would have been much much much further on. Well, okay, that's great. He used to say that he never needed it and he's Ralph listening to his intuition I do that too. Guess what you can also add a coach and now you can be you know me 24 years old and you can have this Mega awesome business doing what you love and you're making passive income and you know, like you kind of famous to which is I mean, you know, silly I don't really care about that so much. But when your when your speech goes viral and you get recognized and like a local store in the north of Norway, that's when you're like, okay, right what happened here? You know, it's a that's that's crazy, but the NG is what I realized is like it's a hundred percent, you know, if you don't if you don't work with somebody that checks you and hold you accountable and and challenges you to grow then you're just you're full of it. You know, you're just not your never you're just but maybe you're in an echo chamber, you know, you're just hearing the same thing over and over again and you think it's the right thing and you're never really expanding. I love that. I love that. Awesome. Well, it's been a great pleasure thing that women chatting and I've personally learned A lot and guys, let us know in the comments. What did you love them most talked about this interview?

I have a deep conversation with Bogdan Rosu about my life's journey from being a broke janitor to becoming a successful life coach! Coaching with Rafael: https://www.rafaeleliassen.com/coaching Rafael's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/RafaelEliassen?sub_confirmation=1 Bogdan's channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyVg9giAJA9kgkQNFR-wyAA #LifeCoaching #CoachingJourney #CoachLife #LifeCoach #Coaching #CoachingClients #GetClients #CoachingBusiness #CoachJourney #LifeJourney #SelfImprovement #PersonalDevelopment #Motivation #SelfHelp #Motivation #Motivational #MotivationalSpeaker #MotivationalSpeech How does one become a life or business coach? I started out as a life coach when I was 18 and it wasn’t so great. I had social anxiety, I worked as a janitor just to get by. This is me five years ago struggling to get words out; My life was such a mess, why would anyone pay me to help them? That question made me a prisoner in my own mind, cutting me out from being a successful life coach. Though now I have had almost 9000 hours of coaching and have worked with people all around the world I had to break out of that cage. The biggest hurdle of mine was the belief that; I am too young, why would anyone listen to me? If you are starting out as a life coach you know what I am talking about you have your own version of this. The voice that says; why should people listen to me? who am I to tell them anything? Solve this hurdle and you will be able to figure out the rest of your journey yourself. Most people try to overcome it by faking it. The fake it till you make it approach, talk like an authority, an expert. That’s a trap because it’s fake and your clients can sense that. The way I got started out was; Hey, you know what you should be doing, let me help you do that. Let me hold you accountable for that. This way I was not pretending to be an enlightened human; I was just being honest with a pure desire to help the other person. Allow yourself to be vulnerable because only through cracks, your imperfection, your insecurities, can the light escape. It's not about manipulating them to pay you; It’s about can you solve a problem? Can you pour your heart out and try to help the other person the best you can?

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So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Virgo, welcome to your Capricorn season horoscope. So Capricorn season is a really incredible season astrologically there is a lot that's happening. And as I mentioned in the introduction, I'm choosing to use this time this horoscope to talk more to the energy of what's Happening describe the sensations and less go into the astrology lots of information out there about astrology and you can find out. More about astrology from me through the subscription offerings, but the energy of the next 30 days is really profound and it is bringing a kind of build up in a culmination to what has been building for quite some time now and a lot of the ways that we all collectively and individually have been struggling now. Come into a reckoning place and the struggles that were in start to really transform us and transformation is going to look different for everybody and oftentimes transformation looks like ending and it looks like you know things that we've been orienting towards kind of breaking down or recognizing that that's not what we're going to be doing then. We have to give something up and that could be an important part of transformation as well. As you know, really powerful experiences where we feel into the root of a kind of energy that's wanting to grow and we feel empowered to assist that growth. Hopefully you get to feel the latter as well as the former and for sure you have experienced the former. Quite intensely. So where's this happening for you? What's going on your basic Creative Energy your joy and how you are an agent of energetic Creation in this world is the point. How you use your energy begins really subtly and how you connect with your heart and how you connect with your basic Integrity. Your energy is a radiant energy. All of our energy is naturally radiant, but that Radiance gets limited and it gets manipulated and it also gets focused in certain ways throughout our lives as we are programmed. By our culture's by our families by our friends as we determine kind of the the course of how we want to apply our efforts and place value upon projected Notions of what you know success looks like so our energy then gets shaped by what it is that we want to achieve and buy our own feelings of what power is or what wealth looks like. Or how we're going to get the attention in the validation that we need. The ways that you have been in relationship to your own energy have been a really big theme for the last decade of your life and you may have had quite a few experiences at this point where you need to wrestle with your your self-esteem and with your self-expression and where you need to look at the driving factors for how you feel about yourself and how you express your own. Energy, are you using your energy and ways that are authentic for you or you trying to prove something to someone else? What are you doing that you feel good about just on its own and where do you need the validation and approval from others this balance between what you do for yourself because it's joyful for you and it is the authentic expression. your energy and how you want to be putting that expression out into the world and where you're placing yourself in some kind of larger social fabric where you are experiencing yourself as one of many people expressing energy and their own unique ways where you might be comparing yourself to others where you might be competing with others where you might be working for validation and approval from others that That is a really interesting balance for you right now. And I really want to encourage you to meditate on the relationship between these two experiences. You're your own Central Radiance and vibration what comes from within you because that's absolutely authentic and the ways that you project out and that you externalize or live within the exterior. Of your own expression and that means that you're looking at it from the outside. You're judging it through other people's criteria or you're judging Yourself by judging others this kind of thing throughout Capricorn season. There are a couple of different movements that are going to bring this energy up for examination from basically the beginning of Capricorn season the sun enters Capricorn on December 21st until the middle of Capricorn. Season kind of mid-January there is a mounting growing kind of build up to a change point the first week of Capricorn season from the 21st until the 27th or so has a lot of new energy that's wanting to come in. So there may be some exciting experiences there. Maybe aha moments or Revelations there maybe Feelings of just going okay. I'm going to throw this all to the wind and just try something new and for some if you've been resisting this there may be more painful experiences where it feels like you get cut down from something or there's a little bit of a jostle and the in there is a feeling of like wake up. You know, this is your life. How do you want to use your energy? What is it that you are trying to grow and develop and what is it that you really want? Want there's the first of two eclipses on December 25th and 26th, depending on your time zone. This is a solar eclipse at four degrees of Capricorn. Make sure to check your natal chart. If you have planets or points for cap these planets, their energies are going to be really heightened by this eclipse and this eclipse is basically kind of bringing in a new way of conceiving about your energy. New vibration and how you want to feel yourself again? There's a lot of change energy that wants to come in for you particularly focus and Orient yourself towards growth. How do you want to grow your awareness? What kinds of new experiences are you ready to bring into your life that will help you become a wiser person that will help you understand why you want to do things the way that you do them. What are the learning? Learning growing experiences that you're inviting in and invite connection with your own inner teacher here as well and by that, I mean honor the experiences that you've had over these last 10 years where you've been confronted with and potentially really struggling with your own energy and how you want to express yourself and how you feel seen or unseen how you feel special or not special. These have all been really important lessons for you and a Lesson right now is that you are one of many and you are totally special and you are totally not special and both exist easily together and at the same time and you want to let the relief of not being special be kind of buoyancy factor that you know, there's nothing to prove you don't need to prove anything to anyone about anything. All you need to do is check in with your own energy. This is your life. How do you want to experience your life? What is it that would feel the most joyful to you? From the 25th of December until January 10th when we have the next eclipse and that's it a full moon. This kind of eclipse energy is really strong Eclipse energy is always heavy change energy really deep karmic patterns want a surface and hopefully be resolved. Hopefully we can move into the next layer of our evolutionary awareness during Eclipse energy, so These kinds of recognition these kinds of thought patterns and experiences that I'm talking about this entire month of Capricorn season, these are strong and especially the two weeks between the 25th and January 10th, really really strong kind of change and transformation energy coming in now as we get to the lunar eclipse on January 10th, that eclipse is at 20 degrees of cancer. So if you have needle points at 20 cancer or 20 Capricorn a full moon is an this and a polarity then these points are going to be especially involved and heightened. So the lunar eclipse energy it solidifies something there's a concreteness in the kinds of answers that were getting these answers might be internal recognition. They may be external experiences, but there's a recognition of okay. This is the way that I want to proceed and again, How do you want to use your energy? It's not about proving anything to anybody. It's not about doing anything for anyone else. What is the appropriate way for you to be expressing yourself? And how can you express yourself in a way that feels authentic and that feels complete you're not leaving some parts of yourself out. You're not you know, trying trying trying trying to prove something and therefore compartmentalizing yourself and externalizing your own self-awareness. You know, the These are all things that want to change old habits and old ways of being power struggles that you're in with yourself with your own energy again, and with the ways that you might be comparing yourself or orienting yourself in the world in relationship to the kinds of validation that you want to get. These are ready to go. So again, let this awareness that you are. Or not at all special be a relief let it come in and help you engage and Delight in the ways that you are special and unique because if you don't have to be anything special then you can let go of trying to be anything for anybody else and then you can really enjoy who you are for yourself and what it is that you want to be doing with yourself and with your own energy. Now I do want to make a special note to people who are parents. If you're a parent or if there's some way that you're really involved with children. This season could also be quite dramatic and intense for them. They may be going through a really important transformational shift and your job with Children of any kind your inner child that just wants to be and it's Pure Radiant expression and also Within children is to hold a big picture be as loving as possible and really kind of nurture awareness that there is abundant love there is plenty of space there is enough you kind of want to work with this idea of abundance and plenitude for everybody and let your let your Consciousness be as inclusive as possible. So no matter what comes up find a way to hold it in a nurturing kind of manner recognize what's coming up except that it's there try and feel deeply into its Essence. What is the essence and then nurture the essence don't get caught up in the form their true the essence. All right, all of this change throughout the month definitely does ask you to come into a deeper space of transparency and tenderness and intuition with your relationships in the world. It is so important for you to allow yourself to recognize and receive the love that others have for you. This is especially important for these kind of feelings of a specialness that I've been talking about but also important for whatever it is that you are growing whatever it is that you want to be cultivating recognize where other people do and have an always have valued you and appreciated you and loved you whether or not it looks like the thing you thought you wanted try and and let that end try and let that calm and quell any kinds of anxiety or feelings of restlessness that you have with again this kind of externalized projection that you may have been working with. So, I hope that this is all helpful and I am wishing you all the best in Capricorn season and Beyond and as we move into 2020, thank you so much for listening. Bye for now. Just a reminder that I'll be offering to Live Events the weekend of January 4th in Portland, Oregon and I would love to see you there check the show notes for more info or go to embody. LG.com and find my live events in the Play and Learn section. Happy New Year.

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Welcome to my life because it has applied episode 281. We are in the beginning of the month of husband, which is what some call the dry month in a way relative to the holiday season the rich holiday season of tishri. We've now entered in the dry season in the sense that there are no holidays in this month. We spoken about this a number of times beautiful see her from the rubber where he explains why that's the case because now is the real litmus test after we've been enriched and empowered by all the energy and all the nourishment and abundance that came from Russia Hashanah Yom, Kippur tsukishima terrorism list era and Chavez Bodacious and you now we'll see how we unpack all of this into our personal lives. So the best way to test it is by actually having a situation where you don't have any holidays now to lean back on you have the strength, but now comes our Aveda our work on our effort. Which of course is never as dramatic and as is Sensational as when you have the Gilliam the revelations of a powerful month like tishrei, but we're life really plays itself out in the purpose of existence is fulfilled and realized is when we are so to speak on our own. I don't want to say we're on our own we're never on our own but I'm a revealed level we are now asked to rise to the occasion and that effort even though it does not have all that revelation. Is the key to the entire purpose of existence because as I said this explains before the symptom addition it is self dominated Divine Consciousness was the only thing that existed and even after the symptom the higher world that still this Arc and then the other worlds in that Silas are a lot. Of course, they're divine. Was that it has no solution that as the alter rebbe explains in chapter 36 and time you how L am you did the mayor part of his body as one of the explanations goes that's a you read that because God is always higher than those all those Revelations. We're does it change is entertain him? We come into a world that is the void unrevealed level of divine revelation. And that's where the purpose is. That's within the side of the God's desire is that in a world that on its own is divine. Energy is concealed that were able to discover it the spark and fan it and ultimately transform the material world, which on its own is can even opposed the Divine to become an actual home and Abode a comfortable environment for the Divine. So in the months of the year has been captures that a lot more than tishrei does so tishrei is like the power of the holidays and test run is where plays itself out in real life in our routine. As in our patterns in our daily mundane activities. So yes, we have a Shabbos each week, of course and we have different days that we can look to like for example, Zion Cashman, which I'll talk about in a moment how Christian is the birthday of the lab rishabh but holidays a potato or tension because I were to show up are even the meaning of Saul don't we don't have during this month and therein lies its power. So of course, it's very fitting then that this would be the become weak of Lahore. What is Laka Laka Laka Laka ma that's coming from a basic vehicle and see this explains the lab explains that local how refers to every Journey every Journey out of your comfort zone whether it's a comfort zone that maybe a negative place like where of Rome was living was not the best place. He was going toward the promised land but local cause a reference to every Journey requires moving out of your comfort zone whether it's a it's a The comfort zone not you cannot just do it by rote or mechanically but has to be a journey a traveling to go to a place that's beyond where you've been there before and of course I assessment also indicates Journey what is science has resigned says no current a locker. We don't begin to ask for the rain, even though we prayed for it. I should be net service and we will the prayers were fulfilled but we ask that the rain hold up until Zion has been that's when we really begin to ask for it. That's a stroll. Because the reason as the shock inaudible brings because the Jews who were early Rego the pilgrimage that they made to the base. I'm English for circus. They traveled back. So some live closer to Israel. But the the ones that live the farthest from Israel during the second temple was the people who went back to Babylon, which is Euphrates actually give you the action shall be sold the hard process the Euphrates River the last ones that came to Israel took them till Zion cutter until the seventh of cash bonuses. This is like the conclusion as I'll deliver sites like the conclusion of the holiday in a way because they're still under the under the effect and the aura of the holidays until they get there and not to make their lives uncomfortable by causing it to be raining on their Journey. We make sure that we the rains don't Begin to Fall till after that. There's a lot to be said about that of the a versus all the lesson of is so that even though rain is so important we hold that because there may be one person who may be uncomfortable. But one point that that one focus on is the journey aspect that you see the holiday does not conclude just with some Christina includes with the Yakama local decay in the expression that's used at the lab amused the journey the journey to return back to we are home and settled back there with enriched and empowered by all the holidays and that becomes then that's when we and that's why as I encouragement is as you significant date with Cochran and so on because that's when the last ones arrive there, but if you think deeper into The means that it's not enough just to have the holidays but it's necessary that you go back in peace with the power of the holidays in order to integrate it and internalize it in your life, which is of course the significance to us today and therefore local Colour and design ex-husband are have a connection as the devil speaks in the number of seekers number of stocks. He also connects it. Of course two things the themes that are connected to the partial local court and as well as partial layer, which is will be talking about in a moment. But I want to begin I should have said this earlier that this program is dedicated and honor of mati Jacobson and Sarah Denberg upon their wedding on the sixth of judgment, which is tomorrow dedicated by The Jacobson family. So that should have been stated at the outset. I'm saying it right now. I got caught up in The Passion of the description of the time in which we are in this also an opportunity to announce that Exodus applied that calm you can find all the archives of these. You can submit any question honestly confidentially and are Anonymous form as well as take advantage of the other resources that you can find the city supply.com. Okay now cross-referencing spoken about Zion Federal and local car in episodes, 40 86 136 185 and 231. I like to be thorough since there's been different angles. I've done the discussed like to do the cross referencing to include at all even though Yes, it takes effort for you to press those buttons to go there. But in case you want to hear more about this was discussed then okay, but because the theme of this week is when we coming from Passion area. Which we know was the story of the flood the destruction to the cleansing of the world as we discussed last week and preparing it for ilum, huh - raw a new world was created with an Ayah coming out of the Ark together with his family. They built a new world a world that would now be refined and a deeper level and one that can become a did Abbott octane in the world before the marble had a lot of power, but it all came from above it was lacking what I mentioned with husband was lacking. that effort From Below and after the model now became earth that is more refined and now able to also produce which is why ten Generations from now yesterday and the passion are begins of Rome story of Rome his career. He hastened Godless. The rambam said it's not God is great power this great force. That entered the world and begin to shine and illuminate and bring godliness back into human consciousness that was concealed with the beginning when they eat from the Tree of knowledge and it got worse as it progressed. Of course, the marble was the low point and then it began to The world was refined with the marble and then it's avraham avinu began the process of so called cleaning the pipes and reconnecting the the world existence with the divine. I'm going to get into the direction of Romano are here that's not relevant to our discussion. So the end of Mayor starts the story of Aroma Vino and luckily how continues the story of of reims Journey. A big theme in these chapters is as we all know banana. Yeah, we talked about NeNe are that the nations of the world are often results referred to as the children of Nia, but they're also referred sometimes the children of Aroma of ammo in gyeom father of all Nations. Obviously have ROM came from shame. One of the three sons of Noah, and the other two sons were also ancestors to the human population today, but both of them associate the nations of the world because remember there was no Jewish Nation yet in the formal sense of the word that would not happen till the 26th generation from creation meaning six Generations after of Rama V know after Abraham, but they're big but the seeds have been planted of God of Rama V new introducing godliness to whom to the nation's so therefore I thought appropriate to address a few questions that were connected to exactly that Sheva mitzvos bnei Nia. I should add that the rebel speaks about it. And one of the talks of Zion husband says I husband's about to avoid the being the work being back in your home in your place, which means not to be an artist at all in Israel in the holy land and the holy city of Jerusalem and the holy place called The based on big dish but the bring that Holiness back to where you are in the rabbit says that essentially the theme of the shovel. Mrs. Blaine are because the nations of the world after the model what happens we have the dead have flogger the end of Nowak has not Story before I've ROM is the story of the Dead are flooded which is the generation that went and built the Tower of Babel to defy God or they were self-made creatures. And ultimately God felt the need to confuse their language so they should separate and then be some and from there they spread out all over the world and that that the downside of it is they were not unified anymore. But the upside is they spread around the world in order to transform the world that each one would do with their own way with their own language with their own particular customs. And that's the world in which we live in today. Obviously it took time till the transmigration was complete but the world that's where it began the transmigration and slowly. On that Mesopotamian Valley slowly spread and populations began to grow throughout Asia and then through Europe and Africa as well as ultimately to in the hot chick hydroton our hemisphere meaning Army in the Americas and the rest of the world. So that spreading on one hand was due to the fact that they reunited for their bad cause but spreading also has the advantage that it's like as I encouragement experience. Everyone goes to their place in order to refine their corner of the world. So here are a few questions that have come in on this topic and it's not the first time we've talked about it. So let me just read a few of them and I will address it. Here. We are. Hello, Robbie Jacobson. As this week is Passion area that was last week. Can you please give Clarity on what we should be doing for 7 Min has been there. And the background behind it in the times of Slammer melek King Solomon. It was peaceful. Did the ID invented the Jews then teach the non-jews the seven noahide laws. Well mayor be around when Michelle comes. Thanks. Another question in this family. You said once on your podcast that non-jews are the Huskies Siddiqui Omega L on The task is City of Salem. I should say that they are considered to be righteous Gentiles today. Do you still hold that so let me begin with that question first. I never said it quite that way the way I would phrase it would be is that the nations of the world are in general today? Actual or potential righteous Gentiles studio Miss A Land Based on the embassy has a mark of success in America and other nations of the world. So they are and we're right at the threshold of gokula of redemption that all it takes is just a light the spark and the Nations will Embrace principles that they've already embraced which was not the case hundreds of years ago principles of justice of Charity of kindness of benevolence based on of Rama V news teachings. Which we've talked about a number of times. So let me go back now to the first question the process is this as let me just go back to the beginning. It says God created the Heaven and Earth voracious the last day of creation after the whole stage was set the table was set he brought Adam and Eve into the world and says the of the leshawna You Shall Serve and Protect and the language of it is based on midrashim and so on it is the world that we are there to charged to transform. Make it a did Abbott octane in my home for God in this material world. We were given choice because in this world as I mentioned before the Divine is concealed even in Ghana they had choice and they made the wrong choice the wrong choice conceals the Divine or conceals it even more the right choice reveals. The Divine the famous methods has brought in the first moment bustling a neat option you would from the freezer could have been that ever reviewed it and explained that every year chapter per year of the 20. Chapters, what does it begin with the medicine She-Ra She-Ra Rabe boss Lagana. Hey sakala, the ghani like Silk in Laguna. Allegheny doesn't say The Greening of the ghani because Eco Shrine of entertaining myself. The primary screen was down on earth when Adam and Eve were in the garden. However, by the way, they ate from the Tree of knowledge. It is nostalgic. It was removed to the first Heaven from Earth removed means concealed and each subsequent generation of transgression say, So we create a dissonance a separation a Schism between the existence and its purpose is Divine Purpose think of a machine which is called life is created for a purpose and if you don't fulfill that purpose you disconnect it from the Opera from the architect and the engineers qivana and intention and creating it and how and how do you follow those laws of the LaShonda positive mrs. Negative midst was the things you're supposed to do to make them a home for the Divine and things just As to avoid then comes generation after generation concealment the marble, I mentioned that earlier briefly the marble like reset the start button. We started the process by cleansing and now creating a world that is more capable of becoming such a home and I've Rama V know ten Generations from New York began to bring the Shekinah back down from the 7th Heaven to the sixth. It's called from the 6th to the fifth each subsequent generation. Race until the Seventh Generation moisture obtained from of ROM brought it down to earth with the building of the mishkan of the Temple of the sanctuary that followed Martin Toros Sinai that followed the Exodus from Egypt. That's the story then after Tara mightn't are now the world is now bench has been given a power that you can actually transform materialism to make it a healthy social Dosha to take matter and turn it into spirit. And that has been The Works ever since from then till this day when that work is finished or to some extent finished from our part and God can always choose depending when the Tipping Point is the mushiya Gula comes and what is then when niggler cry - am the Divine is revealed even more than it was at Sinai and even more that wasn't got Natan before the sin and The Total Transformation of the universe now forever with a third Temple Mala out. His days are Shem Kamehameha see me? World filled with Divine knowledge as the waters cover the sea and all other expressions and versus in your shy and other another prophecies that maimonides site some of them at the end of his mission of Tate. That's the story in history as the debit tells us that process. We have come to the end or close to the end and we just have to do something to tip the scale. But these years these thousands of years of work have refined the world to the point that the nations of the world themselves. Are no longer those Pagan Nations that were just blood lusting and Pagan and completely idolatrous. You have Nations that Embrace principles not completely but the principles were given all the way by other other magician actually it says that where they call them Sheva mitzvos bnei neue. Why not been a Adam because the seventh one was added to Batu Niah and New York ratified also the ones given to other because after the destruction of the world network was the only one left and now all people come from Penang. Are the children of Nia so now was given a code a code of ethics and morality called the seven misrepresented as the number of explains that code was spelled out at Mount Sinai as well that the Jewish people have a responsibility not just to do them. It was but to share and Inspire and Empower and disseminate these seven noahide laws which as commentaries and as poskim explain how much more than seven there's seven general principles. And this has been done over the years as the rebbe explains in many of his talks from the mems. The 80s was simply not possible for the Jewish people to do that because they were in second and danger basically trying to protect themselves. Let alone trying to influence the non-jews would have not been taken exactly lightly. But now we have that opportunity, but that doesn't mean that work has not been done in different ways during shots. It's - Asia w-who done others that works with non-jews and of Rama himself. The goddess are not human awesome. And suddenly a Edison ocean and might entail itself had an impact on the nations of the world which we've discussed also a number of times directly indirectly and ultimately the impacted the yes, the religions of Christianity and Islam is some ways are based on principles that are from Aveeno taught them were confirmed then be formalized at Sinai but this is this the but that doesn't mean the work was done. So essentially the work was to written really find the world meant refine ourselves until another Was people and our personal lives and our communities and our environments, but it extends also to spread the message and disseminated through the nations of the world that they should to be refined and to embrace the Divine mandate that they were given to civilize this world and to turn it into a just world and a kind word and a compassionate world. And we are deep in that process which means a lot has been done but there's always more work to be done. So when you ask the question, what should we do in for several minutes has the rabbit makes it very clear every opportunity we have whether it's individuals that we speak to or it's and business that were doing business or you go to a doctor or a lawyer or whatever. It may be whatever you have that opportunity is to somewhat in a in a nice way talk about God give them a book to read. Inspire teach very similar to how we would do with our own brother with our own brothers and sisters because they too have a mandate and they will be thankful to us and respond positively those that have influence in Government and government officials and public leaders are Business Leaders are or or educational leaders or professors or someone can do it through that means whatever means possible we have to use the opportunity to teach people and to educate and inspire And obviously not the kind of sending God forbid way, but no beautiful way in a way of sharing these moral code which is the upon which rested entire Foundation of all ethics the concept that there's an eye that sees an ear that here is the concept of moment of silence and on and on which I'm not going to go into detail because I'm going to give you some references to times I spoke about this more at length. Yes in Thomas lamella we say there's a taste of this because it's Jim Mueller was a peaceful time and malka. Schwa. And others came and brought gifts to Schlemmer Miller. So he was like a powerful flame drawing the Sparks to him. But there's no question whatever there was an opportunity to Jewish people and their leaders have influence. Look Mordecai had influence on artists fetish moisture influence on party. With all the challenges so it's always the attempt to make to have that influence. Sometimes it was difficult. Sometimes it wasn't received. Well, but the effort was always made because that was the come on everyone knew from beginning of History. That's the intention. It's not some Modern phenomenon. Will there be around on Michelle comes while look but it's a gilgul of Nia Reincarnation of Nia or obviously his children and his pedigree in his descendants will be around. I've not seen anywhere. No. Yeah. Why not if he was at ease Added why we did not return but that's something that can be looked into but that's my initial reaction. Now going back to the muscles, so they're not I want to call them but Jessica's call them that they are now in a state with their either actual or potentially righteous Gentiles and that's something that is something that we can we can access which means you can speak to someone and you can you educate them and many people are ready receptive than already behaving in a righteous ways. But you may be some are not doing it's completely or like all of us are not perfect. But we're in a place where we can definitely influence the nations of the world in that way. As explained the many many fields, so I wanted make the cross references to episodes 3112 192 through 194 to 4247 267 and 271. This was an overview and I hope answered some of the questions and of course very relevant to our time. Meaning what we're reading now in the Torah, which is Nayak and of ROM because you see their story if you put think of it in the bird's eye view context as I just lay it out. You see how eloquent the story is with all the difficulties. Challenges but it's a story that unfolds from the beginning of History the transformation of the world which includes the nations of the world, which actually began within Nations and from there grew out gray maquette of guy the nation of Israel. So even the Jewish people came from the nations of the world. They were children of Maya semites for shame. I've Rama V know and they embraced willingly of ROM starting from a ROM the principles of the Divine principles and slowly be made it part of their family the amount of shared servers born of as basically a crew of lasses documents, but that's well over a brand did that he educated and trained his family to continue this Legacy of doctor, Miss, but kindness and justice. And that continued through the generations all the way you talk yaakov. And then the SWAT team and even when they went to mitzrayim they maintain that standard despite the great bondage and they ultimately would come out of the ghost greater and stronger than ever and the nation would be built and forged at Sinai and the rest is history. Now, they would then go back to their cousins and to all the relations whether it's the children of a server the children of your small which are cousins of the Jewish people because children of RAM and Yitzhak respectively As you said the other audio small first then a salve and to teach them what their own father taught them. The morality and ethics of zuckerman's but through the Sheva mitzvos bnei Nia. And the rest. I've already shared how that evolves all the way to the end of time when we finally refine the world and the nations are refined and the shear is ready to come. So with that we'll go to another question which flows straight from this are we truly a light unto the Nations. Every Eastern cultures have had very little connection with Judaism yet. They make up more than half of the world's population. So then how can we really say that we are supposed to be a light unto the Nations if we had very little exposure with half the world. Okay, very good question. When we talk about Eastern culture talk about Western cultures, which I just discussed. You could say Christianity was the major religion and Islam is really the covers almost a large large percentage of the western world. Even the Eastern world has embraced some of it as well. But you talk about the eastern and Far Eastern cultures, correct Jewish student that really live there recently. They have they live more but not never in the large numbers and the question of course is so when you say light on two Nations, what are we ignoring have the All India China right there. You have half the world. So the answer my friends is this. Firstly you may be familiar with the fact that of Rama V no impartial quesada after service passing. He went back and took to door which was hugger and had children with her and then he sent those children. It says to the east Laden with gifts and Rashi says Sheamus names. Yes, they may have been names with the negative energy, but they were holding it but they were they were spiritual names and some explained that this was the spirituality that was passed on through these children of avraham avinu. That would later become Buddhism and some of the other major Eastern thoughts and cultures and religions and if you can call it a religion and that's why some point out that the books about this that Brahman in in Buddhism is the concept of Abraham a Brahman as well as other words and themes and that's why also you'll find a lot of similarities. Between Eastern thought schools of thought and mysticism Jewish mysticism many Jews in the 60s looking for their soul went off to the east because they did not find it in their own backyards. Unfortunately tragically but many through that came back to Jesus kite and then discovered and incidents which of course follows Kabbalah. It's a lot of the spiritual ideas there. I have interacted with many people that are masters of that school of thought those schools of thought some of them do And even famous ones as well leaders and they were amazed about the similarities. If you look in the schedule is if you look at the Historical Roots, it's not difficult to imagine that a from of you know, who was the father of monotheism and maybe the first pioneer of spiritual thought in history would have children and definitely students that would transmigrate as they moved to different places. So it's not inconceivable to say that the Eastern cultures are also influenced by these ideas and thoughts. It's second point one can make is based on the famous story with a maggot basis of that. Once they set a big Kiddush a big innovation and learning and students were amazed at this Innovation. And then later that one of them was traveling and he came to a small town and they're having a share in that particular Gomorrah and the simple simple relatively simple not scholar teacher says exactly The Innovation that he heard just now from his Great Master see went back to Disturbed and said you said something that was definitely a finish that no one ever thought of in here. Relatively simpler person is saying it's a said once a there's a breakthrough and it's endured a channel opens up of an idea that comes into this world. It affects everybody and makes it easier for everyone to come to the same conclusion, which also explains the whole Industrial Revolution just as an aside, but it helps to understand this that suddenly not in a seemingly Progressive Way, you would think Innovation should have happened every hundred years every another hundred years, but suddenly in a period Time which is identified usually 1848 year tough race. There was an explosion exactly as they are predicts an explosion of upper knowledge higher knowledge and lower knowledge of science that was called Industrial Revolution. Now, of course, it's an accumulation of much that happened before that. But once something opens up the channels open up and the higher levels, it also opens up on the lower wisdom, and it's only gotten accelerated ever since with the computer Revolution and atomic revolution of the nuclear Revolution and information revolution. Lucien Etc, so you can say that the Sinai impacted not just the easy Western World and impacted the entire world and made the ground that truths can be found everywhere. Those are the two points. I would make now finally today. We could be a light unto all nations and we should be a light unto all nations because with technology and with travel with so many people doing business in the East and Far East and with technology now, there is no limit like that at all in Korea. They love to learn talmud. I have no doubt that if we would disseminate spiritual thoughts and ideas to the Eastern countries cultures, they would gobble it up. They would eat it up because firstly they already have and their own Similar ideas and they would see fascinating insights into The Human Condition in to Transcendence into spirituality. So that was actually responds to that. Okay, let's move that those who recovered annoy a colossal car type of thing going in the beginning of this year the rebel equates working with the non-jewish world as with Jacques room with traveling into the world because in tishrei where most more and more secluded in our own souls and our own Community celebrating but now we go out to the world whether it's the Euphrates in Babylon or the or symbolically any other place we travel to is the work of Forming the world with the energies we received in the month of tissue. I'm moving on to another topic completely. Nothing is unrelated as we know but at least ostensibly is not directly related and that is labov archers and pace. Why do some Jews? Have long pay aside likes and others do not. It's one question. Another question was asked. Many pictures of the altered ever. Well, I wouldn't say many there's one picture of the altered ever. There's one portrait painting show him with pay us. Yes. Well, let's just make it clear. It's not pays that rundown. You see here over the year behind you see that you cannot cut it based on that portrait and there are beim already were made, they beard witness and testified to the accuracy of that portrait. So why are they not distended amongst them today? That question I've never seen before. Well, we'll try to answer the best of my ability and hopefully as this is a partnership you can engage with me and share your thoughts. If you have some insights something that I may have missed something that may have been said, please so let me do a quick summary first of all the concept of paying beard and payers because there's two separate things is a beard mail beard and his pay is that grow down. From the head the here on the cranium the hair on the head. So it says clearly in vayikra. You test called Zion 1927 The Vedic is the issue sir. It's an instrument eraser that you're not supposed to cut your the pace to translate it from the tailor. Do not round off the here at the edges of your heads. Mauro Marcus 20b explains that the term edges refers to the hair between the ears and temples So rounding out the edges would mean refers to the removing the Sideburn so that there's a straight hair line from the forehead to behind the ears. Now how long have this is? Of course, I'd and halacha in the rambam mission at a little survey the 0:12 one. And they saw stuff on the tortilla the day 181. And the reason given there as well as in the clinic 251 and maneuver him 337 means kg mole Perry lamins Ian is because it's this is what idolaters I doubt I'd out towards people who are Idol worshipers. That's how they they would cut their so to distinguish from that. That's why it's not done some say about the sidelines meaning the pay is and the sides so that that suggests a cost of and not necessarily due to that reason. That's interior today 181 and that can measure and the pressure on location. Okay, but the question now is the length of the pace we establish now that there is a need to leave the paste. The question is the length of the pace. You see some students who are pays wrong some longer than others and some Ichabod as it is also meaning of Ashkenazi many swasey communities that you cut the pace where we choose the beard. So I should add that there are spotted yemenite and others that do also grow long pace. So there's different Customs questions. What is the basis of it? And why each one does what they do. So let's treat first a little practical then we'll talk about the mystical reasons. So instruction are here today at 181 9. The question is where do you cut the pace? Where is the limit where what means pay us is a below the ear, which means would be till here or is it the side of the air which would mean somewhere here? So one would be with the beard begins and the other would be a little deeper into the beard. So it's not that clear its ambiguous in the show Hinata. Because it says they're stating that the area extends to below the air but then going on to explain that extends to the place where the upper and lower jaw bone Boeing bonjour bonjour bones meat which implies that is the side of the air. I'm not going to go into that goes the helices of it because that's not the this form. I just wanted it for the full picture share that with you. Now, there's a discussion at length and I'll give you some sources that some exotic. Of course those talks about it on mission is Marcus the Marcus I mentioned three five. And encyclopedia time of the brings together all the different opinions. The error is the entry our coffers ha raisch volume 10 pages 546 and 547. So basically We have a that's how long. Now the question is the costume and what is the custom what happens now? So here we have a few things. Let's talk first about the reason that we do not cut with the reason we cut the pears. So the result says that is a in give you the source in Sade. The exact expressions like this. Actually I'm taking a lot from a safer copious Carlos. It's a contemporary book that say for that gathers together all the different opinions. So there are these are says in pasteurization on the and in the time you have it serviced as well as a shower hamas's basically he's saying kind of at all rights, my teacher custom was customers. He would let them grow the pace and it wouldn't cut them until they reached Below in the place where the beard begins to grow. - Adam item welcome Salazar. Fuckin mama's so your head can that's when he cut them. To the sheer of that location kshamatha system there on Lower is not called pasta dish that's not called pay us anymore. And he says the same thing that it would cut them with scissors. I should add Miss Prime. And not allow them to basically to mingle with the beard and that's the basis of the communica bad. It's clear that ism is actually a letter from the debits rubber ulis dated cover of tishrei Torchic evolved where he asked the lever. What do you ask the devil? About this why why Chabad does not? Does does that just touch the pace? He said that he writes in and hug, you should cases. It's a miniature Leyland gay club the pace of those this custom not to touch base with the river says lady ecipitation Chabad. I have not seen seen it among the Chabad for other Arab on the contrary in other words after emphasis to cut it. The rebels are several reasons can be said but maybe one of the reasons which you hint to in your letter is not to mix the artists. There are the the energies of the two t quinium the to ornament if you wish of the you'd guilty kannada Kareena because the you'll be able to condition refers to the 13 ornaments the 13 strands of view of the beard the condition so not to mix the ones pay us and the beard because they're both you couldn't do about different Aquarium Well, he'll Lie from the devil says my footage shot is a lawyer great kind of McCarthyism espera. It's my first explicit that that is all cut them and trim them with scissors. Have our pick up your armor. The rubber says and this is how the famous thing that ever would bring about rather mahad to do things. But since it's nothing, but for me that I've karna even up here Locker was questionable how something should be done. He followed what his teacher said and it has even more so here because that's what his teacher said but his teacher did. at the end that I buy ads are piano according to the above the other lab the great question and a strong question is on those that do touch who don't touch the payers paper exam not way that is how did it and he brings some dark H over a year the day 181 as I mentioned that they here. That's extra is denim is severities and we do everything possible to minimize severities. And that gets kind of solemn semen tuft of paid 880 says do not put the pace behind the ear because some say that there is ult's statement. The results Behavior was based on a very hard. What is this? A I say Let me just tell you where that is deserves idli rava zionists a 131 be that says clearly that you should not mix the pace to the beard. So some say maybe you can put it behind the air but there's air is much more from these are shouldn't do that and that's what the darker kind was. Almost a says not to put the past behind the ear. This is the letter of the debit and printed in volume 20 you guys kadish page 10. Okay. So let's go back now. So where's the custom come from those that we're long pace? the custom they say some say from the amendment premise Lon who told his multi how Korean Squadron the masham they should never cut his pay us when he was a young boy should never cut his pace and he was mirrored the long life as a result. Also. The grandchildren are became of sons say that in his name. So I'll just give some sources for that. I'm racist and responsibilities meisha 161 that could prove it to you today. The one I mentioned before net and tell you got real antique locket. I your login page 46 the footnote and pay us Carlos of the book. The safer. I just prefer to to section 2 chapter 11. And there they discuss also has an actual source for the long Pace because we clearly have sources other way around the question is whether that may improve stands directive was only to him. Was it something meant to be for everyone that some safer ways in on this and there are others as well. But the bottom line you can say regarding that is I was Behavior one is as I said is not to mix the two and not to overwhelm the beard which is a particular the course beard, which is a particular Peak Ebola people see this and also cite the sources and I'm on it is Mom shit are from a customer. The here on the head is Mom's from Attica. Khadisha Celestial menaka when it says I think I'm your server could save a Salvation come and knock. So not to mix these two. I'm chakras like I mentioned before the rebel lose to it or says it clearly in the letter is not to mix them. What does that mean? The and Pious is the Mimosa. So this explains cabal explains between the hair and the head which is a finer here and the coarser hair of the beard. So that is brought in a few places. I'll just cite eight at a departure semat Pages 588 through 593 and I am bathed Volume 2 Pages 956 through 964 So you can basically say based on that. The dish first reason I would say is because the result didn't want to have more dim them necessary. It's not pace. So why why are you letting it grow? The second reason is not to mix this two energies not to overwhelm the energy of the beard which is connected more tomaten with the energy of kesser, which is connected more to the Golgotha The Scholar, which is Le Milam and making higher than mind. It's to integrate the two the pay is grow long in a sense. They overwhelm and overshadow in a way. I don't say overshadow overwhelmed the beard and has to be integrated and internalized more. Now as far as the Alta debit, as I said, he doesn't have pays hanging down. So that question does not apply why you got a girl like that. It could be definitely followed that is out because as I said, you see the payers are definitely caught they do not go over his beard. They hear above meaning near the ears is not doesn't look like pay is behind his ears and just let that grow because that space and he didn't cut that and there are dais that says that it's not cutting means you shouldn't cut too close to the skin the How close I'll tell them was Maximilian that as far as we go, we follow what the debit did through the collaborative they did not have fear like that. There's some that say that the fetus could happen that I had some here behind their ear. But I you look at many pictures. You don't see it at all and people who knew the rebel and so that I've been the freedom crab and deliver our shop did not see that but regardless behind the ear is Bacala Shila and I don't know if you could say that on the altar debit, but definitely growing a little more. The rebel took haircuts and there wasn't the here like the alphabet. So the end of the day is the Ultra Balls Behavior was completely that he behaved that way does not mean that all that I've been followed exactly that even though other than altered a bit does his condition. Holy but it could be that was a specific thing. He did and for that reason as I said, as long as you don't cut too close to the skin, that's the key issue. That's how I would explain it. If anybody has more on this topic, please share it and I'll share it here in this program. Regarding the Beards which I didn't really focus on go to episodes 52 to 53 128 130 and 260 where I discuss that more at length. Okay. I hope that covered it to some extent it was more to say but I think that covers it good next. Next is a question about expanding 770. I'm sure this was already asked. What is your opinion? What do you think the rebels opinion would be about expanding 770? And another person says and why do you think it hasn't happened yet? Another person writes. I've seen recently a petition going around. An online petition calls to expand 770. What's your opinion of this petition? Is it right? Is it wrong? Okay, so I did a little research on the whole topic and I remembered from back then as we know 770 was expanded several times. First. Of course, they have an upstairs then that was not enough. So there's some 70 downstairs and it was expanding a tough shot. That was around tough should cough how follow then Top Chef has it expanded to the middle. Basically the show doubled and then finally in tough economic base time, it game element gimbal is expanded all the way to where it is now to Kingston Avenue. But as the ilum grew it became clear that we need to expand further. So the holy Styles is answers from the web about it. But let me cut straight to Tufts. America's top stream has great talk started a lot of talk about this that album self spoke about it. He spoke about it. Of course at the groundbreaking which came after many plans and discussions at the leper came out to the groundbreaking and they the stone the hoods i&l. Well tough shit in Memphis. They never spoke about it. Then by the need to expand 770 then again Lily shine it up adoption Memphis to just a little while later next month. We also have different exchanges the gut biome wrote to the debit and they never responded said come up with a plan to make sure that then the bourbon sister Goods Chabad and everyone has to be involved in this as to have their you sure all that was part of the whole process. The devil then gave instructions of what to be done. He did not want it to be an expenditure. That would be Beyond these said clearly that will show me a sign Ben 10 million dollars is more freshness is completely not to be considered. He wanted it to not be that high build high of a building. Holy s. Okay Max. I'm not too shabby. Nisha been gimmick Miata most add one floor in the and she's been should remain three four floors would be the optimal. Okay, and the different instructions and details of the matter so you can imagine that's going to be involved in it and go to the Chabad and others were involved is to chase but Mr. Hudson from New Jersey so they came up with plans on architecture that in hollowmade Circus. How she meant as they went into the leather? And we have with women for the debit and they presented in an attack on a blueprint the architecture presented a blueprint. The rebel right away reacted that has become a little church up in them floor was that ever had gangin of them not to touch the floor with the rebel went on and he said clearly that that was everything has to be built with the debit. Thank you David. They clarify what that meant the shred hurt angry David my father-in-law so they care for those that have been upstairs. The letter said no, he means when we get the Aventine downstairs. So that's the type of reference to the Chevette clearly. And basically the conclusion was that the building has to be done from north to south which means toward Union Street that south and north towards Eastern Parkway as much as possible. But definitely not west-east you can do further because it reads Kingston and West also not because that was the original 770 anyway plans continued that ever spoke about it. I shine it up at auction meant test right after that you see this must have been plans went for it what I understand from reliable sources. Is is that the main reason it did not happen the time was because the Union Street was required to be able to expand it and Union Street houses. They were not able to acquire all the houses. So by the time things that the years passed by the time they began to get thinking they could acquire it. The stroke was already in my moon base, which would be three years later. And then of course, we know what happened afterwards. That's my understanding. There may be more details more information. I'm definitely not first person with first eyewitness or first-person witness. I'm a heard it from people who I respect and rely on and if I get more information, I'll share it. So what does it mean by Amish the Understands the Revelator the Cornerstone there was the beginnings of building that least upstairs. They moved the bathrooms downstairs the woman show Plaza was built but the what the devil wanted and said clearly has to be expanded true love that ebony says even a place for eating because and from brain because that's where the debate and so on that's in the Citrus that the rebel speaks so clearly time has come. So I will not say I'm against the petition. How could I be again? If it helps it helps? I don't know if the petition will help and of the petition will affect anyone who makes the decisions around us, but to be against the petitioner if it's a good it's a this and it's not hopefully not using an any God forbid way of mclucas. I don't want to mention that word or anyway, that is unhealthy that then absolutely this is something that we see from tissue. It only continues to grow the need for some seventies expansion with clear directives from the lever that it should be done. So that's my response to this. And as I said, if anybody has more information on this by all means and hopefully will happen and will happen. Maybe Michelle should come with him before it happens and based are banished above all that I bespeaks about it as well. And then he says of course. Nobody can see us. We'll go there too slow. So the bigger this is the bigger the basic math classes will be in based medicine of the lab. Okay, let's move to another topic. and I have to make a hipster cuz the topics really have completely unrelated when Is the right time to consider getting married? Okay, so I have two questions on this really quickly High Rabbi Jacobsen. Thank you for your weekly video cast. I really enjoy them. I'm writing to you with this question because of the anonymity as background. I am an 18 year old a hold of Taylor Barker tabali chuva parents all day the student about your appearance. I have older siblings who didn't do chuva with my parents when they did and they are not observant. I'm writing to figure out when the right time to think about getting married is at this stage. I prefer anonymity. Haven't told anyone in my thoughts. However, based on your advice. I'm a redirect my path. I don't know how to say this, but I find that I'm a highly. let's put it this way and when you use the word he's using here, but highly intimate person maybe because of the greater Society at large may be because of the internet maybe because of hormones, but regardless I find celibate life is a book a very frustrating and unproductive of course learning is productive and I love learning but at the height of my drive, I don't understand what I'm doing sitting with all males unable to release my energy towards productive goal of starting a family the mission and pretty obvious says that a I seen a man should get married. I know that our community isn't done that way, but why not? I know many frustrated bokram who will have much to repent for later. Why are we not push to create families when we have both drive and youth I do know that I lack of maturity and experience. I've never dated a woman before and I know that there's so much to learn that I haven't but having grown up being taught the importance of using our reproductive organs for the work of what you described craters conduction the holy of holies and not wasting energy towards fruit the surface. I don't know why I was Shackled. In celibacy in our teens. Thanks. Another person writes how to how to know when you are ready for should know him as a young buck leaving Ash even going to work. How do you know when you are ready for seduction, especially considering if you had a bit of history with grow throughout Teenage life? Okay. So let's let's be very straight and blunt and direct here. Generally speaking the objective. Is that a bar same thing with the gross girl younger but a bockris learn and his passion should be in learning that will prepare him the best time for that is our teenage years because later we're going to be involved in work and life and survival and our families and so on learning and being passionate about learning and then whatever the age whether it's 20 21 22 23 different ages, but approximately then to begin looking into should do. However if a guy's not learning And you really cannot find the weight an outlet productive work in some way. That's that's a Toyota oriented solution-oriented the labor has letters which encourages people to get married even says some places that maybe it would be an idea that some would get married early like they do in other communities like by this fire demon. So on now that's not encourage necessarily and it's not silly. And that can be for many different reasons because we're looking that people should get mature enough, but if a person really has trueness anus and they talk to their must be in a row of maybe this time. I wouldn't say 18, maybe wait another year maybe do something find something that you can do. Meanwhile a little learning means Case by case, but it's no real answer went to begin. It all depends on the person someone comes to me and they really share these issues that you're sharing obviously what I would ask questions. I would push you I would pressure not press. Expression what to do what I mean put pressure and listening from you what's really going on and then help make a decision. So basically that's the attitude to this and I think don't think we should lock ourselves to some type of date and deadlines and age, it's Case by case. Some people do get married earlier and it's good for them some go longer because they are involved in Toyota and other things that are producers so great. But don't there's no question to what hang around and do nothing now, obviously as I said H has to be some maturity of there's no maturity, even if you're wasting your time and not learning we have to find other outlets or else the marriage may not work because God forbid because you want to have some maturity now, this is a question mostly with boys. So that's what I'm addressing. I'm not addressing the girls. So how do you know talk to someone you trust who's wise whose axis a person who understands what Taylor expects of us what? A to the devil expects of us and make the decision together, but I would not like anything out if a person is truly frustrated and challenged by this issue. Okay. I also spoke about some related topics in episodes 195 and 203 and in special Seminary Edition that I did for the for the girls seminary in base Rifka which you can also find in the series of my life because it has applied on our site either at this. It has applied that Karma or the earlier. Episodes maybe a meaningful life that can still check it out. You probably could find it all. Okay, let's move another topic now. And the question is should we be worried about the rise of anti-Semitic Acts? So someone writes the following we see recently anti-semitic anti-Semitism and acts Growing On The Rise should be worried another person, right Rabbi Jacobsen in the beginning of episode 2 55 you discuss the complacency that results for the good times during the good times and colors the truth is that from our view in Israel? We see that all that we see all the anti-Semitism in the USA and Europe from the violent Street hate crimes perpetrated in the tri-state area to AOC and the complicity of the Democratic Party. And the various crimes in Europe and we worried for you while the world does have this I'm sure is going to be controversial for some a fabulous leader in President Trump. It seems that despite all the good he's doing the evil is rearing its ugly head because butter commercial enemy automobile, Amita Sharma Even though behold ever did I'm The Man in the house a new in our times as well, which essentially is from the Venetian de that every generation you have those that are our enemies. So number one is worry is not a terror approach whenever anyone has that ever weather was in Israel during terrorist attacks or others or anywhere else that that's not approach of juices to worry. We have a talking in a sham especially in Israel. So people ask the same question you're saying we were good people were concerned about Israel with all the tax. Hey Lacey, they suck up on my machine ever hear from it again. But the rebels approach was always worried is not that Taylor approach. That doesn't mean we're not prudent. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have locked doors. We shouldn't have security. We shouldn't have all that's necessary. We should assist the government protects and the any hate crimes, but worry is not the approach. I wouldn't use the word worried. I would say we have to be prudent and we don't have to started coming alarmist because The crisis as briefly and I want to refer you to episodes 2931 251 252 and 262 or I discuss it further. One final question and the city's question and then the essays are there is follow-up. I hope you have time. Let's see, okay. The rabbi Jacobsen death penalty in the Toyota. I recently met a non-observant Jew who shared with me distress regarding the punishment of death required to be given by the Tater in his words. So one really deserve to be stoned to death for doing forbidden work on shops. Please shut some light on the subject so that I could be able to help them comprehend. These are lockers on this subject. Thank you. Okay. Let me refer you to a secret by you guys to option half test. I've 7 to 9 1969 or may have been the end of 68 there was when they landed on the moon they were to the Moon travel. They traveled to the Moon then the neighbors learned a lot of Heroes from that and one of them that I'm going to mention right now was that the Rebus said he heard somebody who's asked by it was a radio show. Somebody was asked a rabbi was asked about Rabbi. How do you explain malkmus? Which is lashes giving someone lashes because he ate it because I associate a little piece of something that's not appropriate. The rebbe said that this Rabbi didn't seem comfortable to have an answer. So those answer that he did give was acceptable but still not really answer the question. What was the answer he gave he said first of all Malcolm does not give in that easily. You have to have warning us at all and you have to have it before Witnesses and then I've added even more that the person has to do it. The Easter he has to do the Forbidden act the eating right after batea literally right after he was warned or else we don't know whether he remembers he Warren that means he knows all that and he's probably a Tamil call him that knows that he has to and he still could not control himself then lashes. So something that represents maybe happen once in a hundred years the revers expression. But the rebels says still doesn't answer the question because when they did do it for such a small thing lashes, so I think you can apply the rebels answer to this question as well. What are the numbers answer from the astronauts? They went on a mission to the moon and they were told everything how to eat and when to eat how to dress what shoes to wear. Every detail you can say who cares it's a little detail, but this detail if you don't do it the whole mission is in Jeopardy and billions of dollars is in Jeopardy and all the people that are invested in this and whatever the mission has to accomplish this in Jeopardy. So we learned from that a detail and of course it reflects what it says in the mission that a person every person was created as an individual high volume limit a person is responsible to say, but she really never Allah because of me the world was created because if you help us Save a Life you save you us and God forbid opposite and act as not just an act and it's connected to the rambam that says one act can tip the scales and bring Salvation to you and to the world. So when someone says just a little violation of Shabbos it may seem to you little but when you realize the consequences is not so little in addition, of course to all the things that skill and in general any type of punishment even lashes. They're not happen that often or come. I would just add as an aside. I just had to today look at a computer program. You could have millions of lines of code. If one that is extra one that is missing the cell of a body 75 or 30 trillion to 75 trillion cells one cell goes is mutant. What kind of Havoc it reeks 1 dot in a program. So today the question because when we might not know the consequences of what Shabbos has that needs to be explains, I would say first explain what shop is and then explain how every detail matters. Okay, because time limitations I'm going to do the follow ups next week. Let's do this to this question. Why does evil still exist after the great flood if the purpose of Noah's flood was to cleanse the world of evil as you discussed last week, then? Why is there is still evil in the world? Did God use an inferior cleansing product from a 99 Cent Store? Okay little irreverent, but I understand where you're coming from good answer is this and I alluded to the beginning of this program and that is I promised your comes and there's a permanent Divine home in this material world. The world does not cleansed from Evil. Let's define what evil means from things that are anti antithetical to what God wants. I'll go back to the example I gave life is a machine complex machine the engineer built it for a purpose told you here's what you do to keep it clean to make it work efficiently to make it come along to live up to its greatest potential. Here's what you don't do. Or else it could cause damage evil is the damage to the machine. It's a displacement are very comes from the word. This place mystery comes from the word connection this connect connect dissonance or integration. So when there's a dissonance is a separation, so when the world was created with its implementation Rod concealed there was a dissonance but there doesn't mean it was airtight. There was a cough as Kabbalah see this explains our the mauritian had a uh of tape at a deficit of the case and they could have chosen but they also know world where they could mistake. Make a mistake or deliberate because they had a choice. When the marble came and then of course the since got worse when the marble came to cleanse. Yes, it's what it did was refined the world in a way that now it's more conducive for refinement, but you can't say Michelle is here already. So there's still plenty of darkness and you see it. There have flogger comes afterwards, which is the Tower of Babel and they defy God and even after I've run of you know who begins to bring the light back in the Divine back into the world there were plenty of problems. There was just small and there was a sub in there was other nations and the story continues even later the letter Generations even my should have been you who brings the mishkan and builds the mishkan. They were the Jews built a golden calf after Mount Sinai and you had the Dustin and of Edom. He had other problems throughout the 40 years because the world is maybe refined the stages the world is refinement, but that's different levels of refinement that making more conducive Martin Tate, of course did a tremendous change because it allowed the material world to Turned into Spirit. You could say the marble haven't seen this anywhere that the marble cleansed out the harsh Denim and Voris and the harshness and coarseness that still existed from the beginning basically when children who are spoiled and given all the gifts and they destroy their own lives. So you need to somewhat tame that that's what the marble that attained the world. But Martin Taylor gave the power and of course Montana begins with avraham avinu. As the result says the data, but until you give the power to transform matter to Spirit and then the years after that that's what we've been doing and mushiya comes the goal of comes then matter and Spirits converges one and then we get not just what was before God before he takes it does but even greater as I described earlier. And that's where we are right now. So now let's do the three essays. So we have three essays. This is from essay contest 2019. First one is a big part of a bigger puzzle self-esteem exodus by multi bracha hiding spelled h15, Santa, Monica, California. a slow cooker student Ohana High School, Los Angeles A very prevalent issue she writes many people struggle with nowadays has a low self-esteem children. These days are brought up in a way that will hopefully boost their confidence and help them later in life. It all starts when we are very young. As toddlers we are complimented on are nice pictures at school age students. We are praised for the littlest Action cleaning up our rooms and so on. All this is to nurture and raise and nurture our self-esteem. However, when we get older, we are constantly told you have to think of yourself as a nothing. Don't let your greatness get to your head. So how can we find the balance of knowing our strengths and goodness while not being egotistical? That's the theme of her essay. Very practical. Well done quite thorough well worth reading. And goes on to use see this to do exactly that that balance with the nice few nice and anecdotes and stories. That's the first essay. The second was mindfulness. The mechanics of obstacles by common is a GUI. 821 London England schlieren Yeshiva slavich London, he writes a stressful day or a period of challenging times can cause a person to lose control of themselves. Is it possible to stay focused there many self-help cell phone books on this topic. What I'm going to do is take my hand and mindfulness is at the heart of them told us cold virus ages the blueprint of the world. So this is the very essence of Torah and the very core of Judaism this Essay with God's help will shed light on the mechanics of the many obstacles. We are faced with through the lens of citizens will do the vital task of displaying the parameters and framework of the different issues. We confront empowering the individual. goes on to describe a strategy suggestions the issues involved the why what and how Again a very nice I see. And worth reading. Thank you for that. And then finally a lot of footnotes as well find the third essay is a Hebrew one. Thesis are several common methodology. No. Basically intellectual processing as a an approach to change to create change the Catalyst to create change. It's about using technology using intelligence. For healthy ways and not an unhealthy ways. Because you can use your mind obviously for selfish reasons you could also use it. To make things grow and it takes from a pickup Bala Exodus component cities takes different approaches to this topic. Whether the body has to be eliminated or or say neutralized or it has to be harnessed and uses that to understand. How we integrate the Divine with our minds and with our lives? And ultimately transform ourselves again a very good essay. 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What's up fam dead and buried here to let you know that if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer and anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many many more you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. Have we made any money? Keep we make money hand over fist through anchor. Hello did oh, no, did I just bought a boat? It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. So download the anchor app are going to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Hello and welcome to the dad and buried podcast episode 39. The topic is Halloween. What an amazing top? It is a good topic. It's timely to you know, Halloween is next week. Is it really? Yeah. It's a week from today if you're listening to this on Thursday. It's a week from today. My name is Mike. I'm sometimes in character and in costume get it no as dead and buried on Instagram. I have you know, some people check me out on Instagram sometimes. Nothing to brag about a lot of people have literally nothing. Yeah, seriously literally, it's actually kind of sad that I talk about it as much as I do. I have a Blog and in a various other social media that hasn't platforms Blog has been suffering, you know, why because all of media as an as a whole as an ecosystem is really collapsing in and of it on itself. This is true. I like how you threw ecosystem in there. So people know off the bat that you're pretentious. Yeah. No, I mean it's broke. I am also a huge. Rick and I spend most of my time talking shit about my kids who I do happen to love they're just annoying as almost everybody's listening to this would either agree or deny, but actually really think deep in their heart of hearts their kids are annoying. First of all, if you're listening to this sit down relax, yep have it they grab a glass of merlot perhaps or I mean, is that what you want to do the most? No, I don't drink Merlot. I mean, well, that's okay, you know, what sideways came out and all of a sudden was fashionable to - Merlot most of these people don't even know the difference. I think everyone including myself. I like a good tempranillo or a Malbec little spice to it's hot. That's really hot. It is hot. This is this is your chance. There's plenty of parenting advice out there. That's great. And don't worry about the police sirens in the back. We're fine. We're everything out here now, but this is your chance to just scream into a fucking void. Listen to some parents who are worse than you. Yeah, right. Be like, you know what? I just feel a little bit better about you know, what I don't cater to women. I'm happy for all the moms in the women that are listening. You know, what I don't cater to women. I am myself. I don't get anybody. Excuse me, you make a mean pig in the blanket and I didn't you know what number of people you know, what just because when you're when you got it flaunt it, you know what I'm saying, but the pig in a blanket, you know, what that's mean. You're beat you're trying to be nice. It's us against the audience all that us against each other. You know what it's me. Hence the world. Yeah, that's true. You really do have a very confrontational personality. Well, I'm I'm Pete maybe I should introduce myself Mike. I don't think you have to they're here for me. Let's be honest. Okay, okay actually do like that. They do like the no window for they do like the banter. Look there's no window for me. I don't need a monologue all night. Let's hear what you got. This is me. I'm Pete and I'm into neoprene. Janitor. I don't know what that means. Yeah. So no one does if you didn't know already, I'm sure you did because you said ecosystem. He's a pretentious asshole. What's pretentious? Pretty much pretentious. It's pretentious. So, you know what just because I can't speak and I'm on a podcast who gives a shit. What is Neo Prima janitor mean? Well, it's new Primo. Janitor, which is the feudal system of giving everything to your firstborn. So I write tonight. We'll be talking about Halloween because it's Neo. So that means that I instead of if it doesn't have to do with the Matrix. I don't want to hear it instead of giving everything to my firstborn fucking son. I'll give anyone anything to the first person who does what they're what they're told anybody. Anybody you know, what's your teeth there is whether account not going to have your Twitter account that says it's not going to their Twitter accounts would occasionally pop up and they'll go. Hey, I'm giving $5,000 to random person who retweets this you have to be following me. Right and you feel like such a sucker if you do it, but then you like how you know what I can use $5,000 what I don't understand that's not the same thing. It's exactly the same as your stupid oil progenitor what it looks like first Prima nocta a from Braveheart, you know, was it like that? Now what's not I hope that Prima nocta has nothing to do with Prima genitor, which is a they both they sound similar inaudible Freedom system where it's just he's wonderful. Yeah, here's what's easy about it. My firstborn son. Everything goes to you. I don't have to worry about it done. You know what and now instead in the modern time. Whoever brushes their teeth first without me having to ask on first ask they get everything sometimes what it's never going to happen sometime. No one's going to listeners comment and they say you were too hard on Pete and then I'm going to say go to episode 39 and listen to the intro and you tell me if I'm too hard on feet. I will give you the time stamp this Neo primogeniture bullshit. Yeah. Anyway, look if you do listen, thank you very much. If you comment. We really appreciate it. If you're if you're a patron who happens to give us a little bit of money to keep us doing this, you know, we love you very very much. We love you more than the other people which is the fact I mean if you have raided Us in reviewed us rated us and or reviewed us, really We need our ratings ratings would be we hit 100 weight ratings two weeks ago, which is why last week was our much-ballyhooed controversial topic which recovered anti-vaccination. Yep, when we hit we can say 200 or what if it were going to say 200 when we hit 200 ratings will do another stunt. Yeah for sweeps. Yeah another stunt episode or when I don't know that will be yeah, if you have any suggestions, we'll see maybe we'll do Prima nocta on are what this time will be Pro vaccines. Yes. Yeah, we'll just flip it we were probe acting. 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You should be arrested so you can check out all those links on my Instagram bio. My Instagram name is dead and buried Pete's Instagram name is I don't have an Instagram because I'm a fucking piece of shit. No, it would really help our following if I had a fucking social presence, but he said Shucks Bots people fucking ruin your Russian Bots joke, you know, what? Is it a joke now, we'll see who wins the election. 2110 it when my guess what your tongue is rebelling against your nonsense Neo primogeniture. Anyway, we're coming back to talk about Halloween. Hopefully this Halloween Pete will dress up as somebody who's not such a huge piece of shit happened right after this. Hey, Mike, have you heard of Spotify before? I have heard of Spotify? Really? Yeah, because on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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So we talk about Christmas is that's well hot. Look if you're listening to this on Thursday Halloween is a week from now. If you're listening to this shortly after its recorded Halloween is even closer because that's how time works. But if you're in the United States you care much more than if you're listening and you're not yeah. Yeah, well, there's a comment about that. We're a little Tremor 80 who's one of our listeners from England. I think Nottingham says that Halloween is not wasn't really a thing until the last couple of years is so yes, sir. Yeah, I guess big chocolate got their hooks in England. Classic Cadbury's. So Halloween is I can't I can't say I was huge into it like during my single years, I guess a kid. I was and then skipped right and then when I met my wife mom and Barry check her out on Instagram, she is huge into it. I wore a bunch of costumes for Halloween parties and With her and then we had kids because I'm a good dad. And I want them to have fun and and I don't want to be the guy on the sidelines who just watches and does and doesn't do shit doesn't participate better. I've joined in a lot of and it's just kind of unlike me. Okay, I wrote a whole Instagram post earlier this week. It was actually today. But if you're listening to this was earlier this week where I shared a bunch of the photos of the group costumes. I've been a part of since I've had kids and I wrote about how I'm not a joiner. Not into that kind of shit, but for my kids and for my wife, I have gotten dressed up in these group costumes where I have I've been I've been Clark Kent which is really easy. You wear a suit with you meant shirt under it. Yep and glasses. I've been Professor Snape can either wig. Can I can I just ask a quick question? Yeah, when you say you've gotten into it, is it the kind of you where your wife is like? Hey, you should get into this right now. Yeah and do it. Well, luckily it is yours. Ape now no well sort of like this. It's been like this. It's been decided what the group is going to be like what the theme is going to be and then I'll be like sort of I'll be like I'm not doing that and then one year I was like, I definitely don't want to be Fred from Scooby-Doo. And that your I was Fred from Scooby-Doo Where I wore a yellow wig. I was kind of curious to see what I would look like with a yellow wig. Newsflash. Not good. I was also really fat you're like to hurt. I'm tired of being Harlequin every single. Yeah, Matt. What's your name? Sexy Harlow know? What are you Robbie? Yeah, what's her name? Harlequin? No, that's not a Harley Quinn. Is that Harley Quinn? Okay, that's the word her name is Harley Quinn. God damn it. You know Harley Quinn was a character that was made up in for the cartoon. No. Yeah, what yeah, it started two days of our lives and believe this in a bikini. No is the Batman cartoon the person who acted in Days of Our Lives with the same voice actor who's talking sure Sandy Dennis who also was Peter Pan on Broadway and then in The Valleys family. I made a lot of that you can fuse the whole bunch of people. Don't want this you confuse conflated things. Anyway, non Prima. Janitor. Yeah Prettyman on janitor Neo. Fuck me. Oh, that's right. Yeah, shut up modern. Anyway, whoever my gonna advise on the first ask if so, I was Fred from Scooby-Doo. I was fucking good. I was Elliot from ET last year where I like Pi where the hoodie and my bait my toddler was ET and I had like a crate like I was riding a bike and he was sitting in the crate my wife made some fucking thing where the crate was connected. The handlebars and then when you just see me standing up in it people think I look like dick in a box like Justin Timberlake because there's a crate attached to my crotch. Which guess what it works both ways don't want very convincing Dick in a Box. Yeah, don't you love saying don't worry about the sirens people know it's not for us. Are you sure anyway, look, I'm a good I'm a good dad. I get involved and I do stuff even though I don't like to do it because it makes my kids happy you on the other hand also refused to participate is this not correct if we your yes, it is your all right now. Yeah, exactly. Is it true that you refuse to participate in Halloween? Yeah, I do. I don't like I do I don't I do not like Halloween Sam. I Am your honor God damn you you don't like it at all. Are you don't like dressing? I don't like can we kiss you don't like Joy but you don't you walk around with him. Why do I so they're in costume and you walk around them not dressed up. Yeah be whatever you want to be a that's great. Why do I have to put a Fucking box on my head and draw don't have to do any. Yeah, I fucking did do you want your kids to smile and to have a good time sighs society makes you they put you in a box is the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. All right, sir. I have a mortgage and I have got again of this shit. We know you own a house my problem. I have a lot of shit going we all do here's the problem if you make a half shitty costume, that's worse. Maybe put in a little more effort. I don't know. So lose the fucking time to do it. I'll fucking get a sewing machine. How about we put your back into it Martha get a fucking easier life guy by ditching it out and making your kids cry inside because their dad doesn't participate. Okay. Can I just say I did your parents dress up? No, you know what they did we talked about. We talked about previous generations and why we're better than yours. You stupid man. You nailed it. You're just a grown baby. So you don't like to dress up. Up. I don't like to dress up guess who dresses up where you were cartoon t-shirts all the time superhero to name three Aquaman one. First of all, you have to numeric inflation of cartoon and superhero. It is part of the problem. Guess. What is the fucking biggest money-making entity in the world? Okay, great. Congratulations Marvel. I mean Disney on your corporate goals for 2019 and twenty. What is your point? Why do I have to dress up as a guide we have to No one's forcing you to do what you are you're telling me you are everybody is ever yours killed goddamn scene is that's not a war your kids would enjoy it. If you fucking loosened up a little bit I of course, I'm quoting Latin around the house too late this feudal systems not going to operate itself. Goddamn it that hey isn't gonna pile itself is no. Hay in your apartment in Brooklyn a little bit. So look, this is my main issue, which is I have dressed up. I dress up all all the time name three costumes Aquaman knows it. I was a bodyguard last year for my daughter who was a famous person. I don't know. Who was she she was just she just went as you know, what famous person up from work yet a fake earphone. I got an earpiece. Yeah, that's pretty good. Don't worry about it. See you even enjoy talking about it the point he thinks you don't protest too much. The point is is I happen to be able to pull that one off because I'm extremely good when I put my mind to it, but I don't want to put my goddamn mind. To it. I want these kids to go whatever they want to do is they should do and I'm going to be there in full support. I'm just not going to get into a costume but that's not full support you're walking around and you're like me apple picking or your grumped out and you fucking stop being a dick in the background eight minutes and apple picking and you're like, okay. Yeah, I got yeah, we're done. I got I know so the three all these P about me an Apple. Okay, great and we can pick them got it. This is what allowed us you've ever been on the pocket filled my bag with apples. Ok, cool. Now how many times do I have to do this for more? We're gonna do a whole apple picking sucks shit Todd Castle maybe next week because it's garbage the point being it's the same as apple picking I show up at my kids are into I'm not going to tell them it's not like I'm like going around me like, hey, don't dress up. Don't go trick-or-treating. He's all I'm saying leave me I'll stand over here like in the background. I'll let you go trick-or-treating and get candy. All right. I'm just saying I'm just saying when the pictures go around of our I was with my kids childhood memories. I'm not in the background not dressed up frowning. I'm fucking front and center dressed as Fred from Scooby-Doo. My nipples are popping. I got an ascot on yes. It is a pitch out. There's a picture of me where my nipples I've made sure not to share that one of my it's okay. So let's get with it made me uncomfortable. You put eight Nate it would make you even more. I look good in that blonde wig though. I do not do not have this way. Your parents did not dress up it you feel like less. Yes. I I do you feel lesser you you just wanted my feel like my parents didn't love me. Yeah. Well that was for my parents both told me we don't love you, but I just also because they distress up and to be on Halloween every year. So look ABC mommy who is our one of our patrons. Yes, one of our patrons. She is Sarah my new dad tear quite a contributor unbelievable. She says she hates Halloween just like you every year my kids insist on making their own costumes because My ex started this trend for years ago, but making them elaborate robot costumes out of boxes now every year it takes weeks and a shit ton of hunting for supplies, which I never have time to do and it's always a stress of getting them done in time. I end up spending hundreds of dollars when it's all said and done and I'm so over it what happened to costumes and bags. Why is everything so Pinterest about fucking Halloween ain't nobody got time for that? Well just sums up the whole parenting industrial complex and what's happened to it. It's all competition. It was very elaborate and when it kind of Went in circles. There's like a lot of different ways. First of all the fact that you can get a costume in a bag is very it's like a new phenomenon not entirely even get my guys shitty mask and now last 10 years. Oh my God, there's like you get things in the mail. Now, it's just like pick your costume, but you could go to a costume store and get a fucking bag that has some knock off the fact that there's a costume store isn't this costume Source didn't exist in the night pop up costume stores in pop up like an abandoned warehouse. She comes the fuck. Trick or treat store for a month. That was a meth that you're talking about the mess. No, no, look. That's why your name. I'm not this happened great story from the seasonal store. All of a sudden becomes a Costume Warehouse for two months. I've never the suburbs Hardy said again all of these and then party city is if they're all relatively so you're saying they didn't sell costumes before 10 to 15 years ago. No, of course, they did not the whole fucking you talking about culture is Tively net is false. It's absolutely not. No, it's more elaborate now, but it's not new one in costume. Don't know the fucking 80s the 80s I ought to arrest you could go buy costumes when you were a kid, whatever we're getting way off track because he does another bizarre fucking hole Theory. Hello second. Have you ever seen someone from the 80s in a costume that they bought know? Did you see the movie Point Break everywhere? There are wearing dead ex-presidents masks. That's okay. That's what do you think? Those were was wrong man? They were they were fucking Halloween masks, you know the fight or you know in the movie Halloween with Michael Myers. They were specifically with Michael Myers is wearing a William Shatner fucking masks because they existed because people wore they dressed up as characters from fucking Star Trek to be in the 70s and no no thank rhymes. Yeah, you're right you grew up in in the you don't fucking know what you're talking about you goddamn Lobster back. You don't know what you're talking about making of England little charmer 80 says in England. She lives in England. Unlike you poser Halloween only recently became a bigger deal done that point Nate fucking crushed your whole point. What are you even talking about as a kid? No, one trick or treater did decoration. She she says I live in a rural area and we had a Jack-o-Lantern card from a turnip. That doesn't sound like English. It sounds sad does something up that's exactly what you're gonna was 80s no more no more like just another brick in the wall. Anyway, look that's Pink Floyd. Yeah, but that if we didn't know listeners, that's what it was like in Another Brick in the Wall has a very depressing. Yeah. Okay. So we got a lot of people I ask people what they were dressing as and if there were doing group family costumes. Probably one of my favorite comments was from Thoroughly Modern who said Halloween is my favorite holiday and my I fucking toddler is scared of costumes. You know, why cause kudlit toddlers are assholes but why are you so that's interesting? Why would they be scared of costumes? I don't know. There's what kind of costumes it because everybody loves like a big dragon liked it. Everybody loves a big dragon. I bet you a toddler wouldn't you put a toddler in a drink? They don't know whether it's no I don't think it's this. Well, I guess they don't they don't fit either be scared of getting in a costume or she's scared of seeing costume. The question is what kind of fucking costume you trying to put up Chucky. Yeah, probably what the fuck context. She have for Chucky. She's a toddler. She doesn't know that Chuck is evil scary or he's been possessed by the soul of Brad Dourif you seen Chucky costumes. No, I've seen Jon Gruden. I love that's a child and I fell football. Fun fact. I really we my family and I we were all going to the movies when you're in the 80s and I really wanted to go see child like yeah. I really wanted to go see Child's Play and I was probably too young. I was probably 10 at the time 86 87 Child's Play. My parents wouldn't let us so Instead we all went to see the film Working Girl starring Melanie Griffith and Harrison Ford, which was way too old for a child. Okay PostScript that fun fact, I fucking love working girl. I watched it a couple of the hell. It's really one of my favorites. All right. I really it's very enjoyable movie Mike Nichols. You know, what Mike another anyway, I did eventually see Child's Play. It is highlarious. There's a part where like the mom who ended up starting on that WB show 7th Heaven where the husband on the show and Being a pedophile in real life. Like right what? Yeah. She's the mom, right? So she's the mom and Child's Play and she doesn't believe her son. She says the dolls real she does he grabs the doll and as she picks it up she realizes the doll is moving around and doing stuff and she looks and realizes the doll has no batteries in the doll's head turns out it costs you fucking bitch. I'm gonna be really it's one of the funniest moments in the history of Cinema. It's great. You should I would recommend it to everybody. Anyway, I don't know how we got there, but that was fun. So I asked people what they were wearing and is a hole that so let's get into it. Gorilla Rose who is really becoming a prolific commenter We Appreciate You gorilla Rose we see I'm sorry. I did not let you join our live earlier it screws up the transmission. Okay. She says that her kids are being an inflatable Pikachu cats and witches. So this inflatable stuff. There you go. We're like the kid gets in like a big elaborate those things when somebody's like a dinosaur. Those are pretty funny. They're very annoying and I must be annoying to be in it because you need to like to like move around you're coming into shit gives a shit. Those dinosaurs are great. Okay the best Thing that's ever happened. Katie twink. Mm says kids are being Bingo and Rowley from puppy dog Pals. And this is a win for her because they were the same thing last year and the costume still fits shouldn't have to buy a new one. You know, what drink to that because that's a that is a win congratulations being able to I didn't know those characters had names. I mean, it makes sense that they have names but I've never paid attention to the show enough my kid does like it Lynn's Lindsay de Vie says my three-year-old is going as Batman. I'm Robin and my husband is Joker pretty good, which is Joker though Jack, you know what this is too much already. I'm so do you mean you're so out because much well, is he being Joaquin Phoenix's Joker? The husband has to be Joker. Yeah exactly. I'm you gonna do green hair. Like what the fuck weld, I haven't seen the Joker film the new one yet. I haven't seen you. I hope he's not being Jared Leto's Joker, which is objectively the worst one by far to is everywhere. Yeah. He's like an emo Joker got it makes me sick. Yeah damage. He's like post Malone Joker. Oh my God. He's so that's like a hottest Joker. I think Sarah underscore j2me. He's a good-looking guy 281 says I wish my family would agree to a group costume. But instead she gets a soldier and Spider-Man. So I feel like the the generic costumes like somebody being a soldier or more rare these days. Everybody's a character, right? You're not yours. Your daughter was a famous person, which I think is funny. I know tattoo been modeled after somebody they'll like the bag or did she make it herself like she had a suppose you could go to a store and like buy a bag that's clearly supposed to be Rittany Spears, but it can't say that so it will say like pop singer right Brittany Greer's or yeah, right. No, she had a like a sparkly dress it was it from a bag. I'm pretty sure and I sack I call them sex. You know what it came in a big sack the burlap one is from a really high-class place. No, but it she had a shawl like a you know, like a fur shawl. Uh-huh because this is what meat is murder. No like please it was just me is pure mean like Lady Gaga them exactly. It out and I cracked the code. There you go DaVinci Code, but and then I was her I would I would go around her and I was like this with sunglasses on and I'd like to move people away, but you were literally actually doing it. That's great. Cause you pushing because of the way you can get away with it. I mean Carol, yeah, exactly and people knocking kiss to the ground absolute. Did you have shades on? Yeah, of course. Thank you Casey her L says Thanos Captain Marvel Iron Man Captain America. No switching. Once they bought the costumes they're good for her because the switching is one of the big problems with kids because I'll have My son the day after Halloween, he'll announce who he wants to be and I'll be like all right, slow your roll. I'll turn to my wife and I'll be like let's just wait this one out when I buy and shit. I mean the day after oh no, he'll have you the day after day like this Halloween the next day. He'll be like I'm going to be whatever you like. You're not having to be in to whatever that fucking show is in a year. I mean, I'm surprised you're even this is even registering like as a something to think about. I don't know. It's just just to be like literally shut. You know, I just not ignore it. Actually I do with everything else then and then when it's like Earth 28th, you're like hey, what do you want to be wrong? Well not no, you don't understand in my family. It's a much bigger deal, especially if we're all getting in stuff. Like right now, my wife is agonizing over how we're going to because he wants to do a family thing, but there's not a great fit for me. Yeah and for her and how we're going to do it so we might actually break off and I think that makes her uncomfortable but we might need it's The Croods is that not enough. It's The Croods is I'll bet you $1,000 like animated animated cavemen. Yeah. I haven't seen it, but it's the crude. God damn it. It's The Croods. Anyway, Becky 4005 says her family costume is Toy Story 4 and she even convinced her teen who's too cool to dress up as Sid for the photo who is a psycho neighbor. So I haven't seen Toy Story 4 yet citizen it a no citizen or a citizen I won from to know so yeah came out last year. No citizenship was the Kid Next Door in the first one in the third one. He's like driving a garbage truck cause he's like, it's like 10 years older and he's like driving a garbage truck. I haven't seen The fourth one yet to hear. It's very good. It is out for rent. And I will see it to know report back making a lot of money. Mama. Llama says she's doing the same Toy Story theme maybe not the same one. But a Toy Story theme I love this one. So a lot of Pixar shit, right? TDOT w38 says his four-year-old son is going as Sully and the 11th month old is going as Mike from Monsters Inc. I love fucking Monsters Inc. I think it's really clever. I think it's fun. I don't even like Billy Crystal. I really like that movie Boo the little girl very cute. One of the animators are Actors kids they actually you there was actually her kid the little song book the thing back where it came from or so help me bum bum bum just staring at me, you know the film he improvises any such thing in the song and in the end, they actually put the song on it's a very fun. I think we should probably just end this now and their relationship. I just it's fun. I really like monster thing. Anyway, Mike Mike EC underscore in underscore NYC in third is he's telling us about his third. Ask him he says he dressed as an evil Proctologist to which I say, is there another kind get it? So this is there another kind of Proctologist are they all equally evil or a little twisted at the very least. This is dressed up. He wore a rubber glove with brown paint on it. It's his fault for missing. You can't do this kind of shit. He did it in his school. Mighty can't do that anymore. You need to think you come up with a really topical that's topical like apology is topical was it in the news when my kids see was in the third grade? Someone gets it it's Way better than when you're like, oh you're Captain so they saw this guy walking around with brown paint on his passing and they said oh you're an evil Proctologist. No. No, they said you're a proctologist and he was a third grader. There's no fucking chance and a third grader knew he was a proctologist. The point is is everybody now thinks a proctologist or evil. Yeah, obviously when you get older, you know for a fact they are exactly nobody who's not evil like to do that shit. Literally Daniel and Potter says his eight-year-old will be a he's a guy like you he says his will is it Be a unicorn ten-year-old the which you know, when I was a I was in first grade, I dressed as a witch. I don't see gender. I was fucking way Progressive even back then this is like 1983 we're talking about I fucking crushed it. No, I was a width The Witcher. That's the Noose TV show. It's coming out. You know, it's interesting that are two Game of Thrones with the dude from Henry Cavill. You still don't see that gender, which is amazing. So Daniel, then he tells what his kids are going to be and then he asks himself a rhetorical question. Well, I dress up he'll know Halloween is the worst. He says this is what you think who thinks Halloween is the worst why me and Daniel and Pato who thinks Halloween is the worst fucking psychopath who think like Harry Potter is worshiping the devil. I don't think that why would I think that I don't know why you would think that because your dummy your address dumbbell. Why do I have to dress up? All right, all my kids to dress up. I why do I have it? This is why you should dress up Katie girl named Katie girls to get excuse me and drive Katie girl 25 is trying to have a comment read she Her husband made a stormtrooper costume and it took him 20 minutes to figure out how to get fucking that the kind of costume. I want to see getting in the car. I have things to do. You know what I mean? Like after you shut up to judge. Everyone has things to do your kids aren't a priority for you. I'm here to get the joy of childhood is not a priority. You don't want to instill that in your children like you're like almost in competition with your kids. That's what so I know I'm not a competition. I'm so much better at home than I look. So good in my fucking every we just pass it on my nipples popping a case closed your on you have a question. Well, no, you're talking about Katie girl is they were going to Trunk-or-Treat? Yeah, you drive you're one of those people you don't like your own neighborhood. There's not enough good candy as you drive somewhere else. It's awesome because they really there's like four or five streets that they really go all out. So inside Brooklyn talk know there's some in our neighborhood. We did we walk there you Because we live in the city and it's walkable. One of the reasons. We actually live in a city. Otherwise, we live in the fucking summer 40 minutes away. So fucking Anna Liam Martin is going Lo-Fi. She says she's wearing some form of animal ears hashtag mom life and the 918 goodness how much a lot says the same thing cat ears and a faux fur coat. Thank you. That looks slow meat is murder. There you go. All the point is is the moms have it easy. They just put the whiskers maybe a couple of moves. Oh my God, the moms have it easy the mom. They're the ones who are probably buying the costumes figure out where the cops are going to be doing the makeup making the costumes. You said yourself. You're too busy to do any of this shit. Does your wife have it easy? Does your wife have it easy? Wow, you're gonna get some hate mail. I know I'm pretty sure to go moms. Have it easy. We're gonna we're gonna bust that out. Somebody's going to get somebody's gonna chop that out and we're going our podcast is gonna get trashed and chop moms have it. He's no one what a load of shit here. Oh snap. Look the costume comes in the bag. You put the ears. Like my wife does every year the ears go on the mascara line. She does that every year which cat how does that work? She wears a hat, which is no one cares, but I put on those glasses with sideburns and also notice company. We have you done that. Yeah, that's for like five years in a row, but because I know when you're being The Bodyguard though, that was the one year that I didn't when you're doing bodyguard. You should have shaved your head and just like Kevin Costner and bodyguard. No, I was I just can't put your back into it. Our pants it's fine. What does that have to do with a his bodyguard sometimes don't wear pants. Those are like bodyguards. It sound like bodybuilders. I didn't have a punch line. I guess I'll take that way. Hey Walker 90 says my son is going as blippi. Okay? All right. Shut it down shut it down. I know I've talked about blippi and the kids TV show episode shut that she said lots of people from your TV episode hated no be but I don't I actually don't mind him and hey Mike. Kid is obsessed and then she goes on to talk about what the real challenge is. My five-year-old daughter changes her mind every day. That's the challenge when your kid says he wants to be something in your by the costume then it changes and then you I said your kid. Oh a nice. What'd I say? He I don't see gender. So they and they by the end they wear the costume and then they change their mind that is very annoying. So we bought our son an elaborate and expensive Spider-Man costume for his birthday party, which was Avengers themed birthday party where people could come in costume and we convinced him to use that for Halloween to he was actually wearing it when I left tonight. Yep, because he just fucking is he really good costume? It's like legit form-fitting. I tried putting it on was not flattering. It was almost as not flattering as the women's gym clothes. I was wearing right but if he had like changed his mind from that it'd be like dude. We're out like 50 bucks like that's bullshit. Yeah and You just really lay into me. I have a me my have a me Matt. I wrote years ago where I wrote it like right after Halloween where I said, my son already knows what he wants to be for Halloween next year and I'm not even sure I want kids got it. Yeah, good job. You don't means don't translate. You know what? I'm fucking verified bitch. Yeah, Sweet Melissa, seven eight seven seven who comments out the ass. She's really challenging little charmer 84 the For the comment belt says we don't do family costumes. It's too much work. That's what Pete says. I bought costumes for my son when he was three and four and he refused to wear them so we didn't go trick-or-treating and then she said her son this year doesn't want to wear his costume the little jerky 7 now, you don't go tree. Oh because you couldn't wear a costume. I don't know. I don't really understand like well, maybe it was punishment for or maybe he just didn't want to go trick-or-treating like he doesn't understand I think Sweet Melissa is not really you have to Be like you're not getting candy. If you don't put on your costume, right? That's the fellow leverage. This is yeah well leverage, but I said to my son tonight, you're not getting dessert. If you don't eat your dinner, that's just how it fucking works the carrot and the stick exactly mrs. Farrow-smith. There is no carrot make their exactly make Pharaoh says, my boys will be Peter Parker and Miles Morales. Well, she's MJ. That's that's cool. MJ happen to me my initials that our view has no no, no one doesn't stand for Mary Jane though, but I do think that the two kids Being two different versions of Spider-Man is cool, you know Pete your big fan of into the spider-verse. I am a big is great movie that could be the only like the sweatpants in the spider shirt, maybe like the the dad bod. Spider-Man actually could be really it's good idea. I should tell my wife that wait. Why is what I should let you do that. Yeah the fat Spider-Man. What do you so what? Alright will you tell you were about to say what you were going? Well, I don't want to I don't know if I want to spoil it. Oh you got you coming later. Yeah. I mean you're doing this later you can tell us I don't know if I'm allowed but my kids being Spider-Man we're trying to do. Something around the fact that he's being Spider-Man. So you were trying to figure out who we would all be in the Marvel Universe you spoiling it for the podcast or for the from no second line. I have a lot of followers who want to know who we're gonna be. I don't want to send my wife is secretive. I don't understand the rules of marriage or life. Braz. One one one seven says one kid is being Pennywise one is being Spider-Man. Another is being Woody and she's being fat obnoxious and Pregnant and probably exhausted because she simply just thinking of Halloween Tired that's what I wanted to be. I keep telling my kids atoms oxygen pregnant. I said literally said I'm going to be grumpy grumpy dad and they're like, that's the worst costume like I'm the worst. So that is true. You are the worst. I love this. So be back she commented on the library or she said this year, her kids are being Maverick and Goose. Whoa, but see that see this is the thing that I find. I love it when parents make their kids be pop culture if they are not aware of what's going on. I wrote a whole Marty McFly plus about that one. Last year like Marty McFly and my kids my kids dressed as Martin for like a 80s throwback costume party. My kids were Marty McFly and Doc Brown. Yeah, but they had seen the movie right but when you don't know what you're dressing up as yeah, we're you like put your kid into costume as like Hugh Hefner and he doesn't really know who you have nervous, right? But whatever, you know, that's true. But part of the reason you have kids is to use them as props in your own life rights, one of the pervs out your own fantasies. I'm not trying to permit I like I really like the idea of the Maverick and Goose thing as I said last year, her son was Happy Gilmore, which I think is just he wore she sent me photos. I think he just wore Bruins Jersey probably sweat war and yelled at people every once in a while broken Mallet says my daughter wanted to be something creepy or scary then we got to the store and she decides to be a fucking cat. Brogan is not happy about this. How lame $40 cat costume try to talk her out of it Lego 1311. Our son wanted to be Spider-Man last since last year and then last week he decided he wanted to be With Vader. Goodbye 80 bucks. This is this is what would happen to my kid if he switched if he changed his mind. This is it this is the new culture of buying a costume every five minutes. It's fucking 15 years old. I don't care Paul falkowski world's biggest CFL fan says my kid is torn between Spider-Man and Darth Vader. Either way, there will be a melt. I know swimming Paul's talking about himself. The weren't a lot of Star Wars comments here, right? Let's go see what it has been a few years since the last are well the new one comes out this winter this December rise of the rise of Kerr okay. That is Star Wars guy. It's no I am I like it. But the last few have been oh, you're one of those guys who didn't like Ryan John. I'm just waiting for Avatar to come out one throw. Thank you Me 2 through 9 use 2 through 9. I want to in 2072 when the last Avatar. Yeah out on your deathbed you're watching that's going to be the finally I can get I can rest in peace. I've seen them a regular end of the fucking quadrilogy or whatever it is. That would be only for money. So Sarge chimed in and he said that we're talking about activities and what people do on Halloween. He said last year we found a street that was very popular for kids. All the houses participated had yeah candy decorations. So now they go to that street every year for maximum success, which is what you do. This is a key. So we talked about trunk and or treat Trunk-or-Treat we talked about so where we are there are houses, but you never know there's house but there's houses they have apartments in them, you know, and you don't really know and sometimes you ring the bell and some people in them. It's kind of like Actually pretty shitty. The other thing we don't have which a lot of people do in New York and Manhattan and other parts when you live in a big mess apartment complex you go from apartment to apply for the floor and you kind of just clean up which happens a lot. So, you know, we're in the middle. We don't really have we don't want an apartment building but it's not really that big and there's not a lot of kids in so no one's trick-or-treating. So what we got to do and we like going on the street dude if he's been on the street. It's boring so we gonna have to go I have to go to where the people who have to go were fine when I understand that so Sergeant talking about he's strategizing trying to find the ones that make sense. Yeah sure and then it's a lot of people do that. It's where like all of a sudden you'll feel like bunch of cars coming to your neighborhood because they know it's the rich neighborhood or you know, what the ones that try the most they give like real full-size candy bars a few years ago. We went trick-or-treating when we lived in Raleigh, and we went to a house I was with my kitty was to at the time and he could have gotten a full-sized candy Barney took a lollipop. Ted we went around the corner of his fucking being said, I just beat the shit out of a mug. What the fuck you doing missing him since Juanita Franco on Halloween says that her son's going to be asleep. He doesn't know what Halloween yet is yet, and she's loving it. I go I Nee heinie, no offense if that's actually not how you pronounce it three four seven for says in Minnesota at the age of 12. We had a lizard how a blizzard Halloween night and got 14 inches. Sometimes you do get the inclement weather. That's true. You know what I went. I actually went in when I lived in Boston. I went to a Halloween in Salem, Massachusetts and it snowed while we were outside in line of the bar. I was wearing site in the line in the bar. I fuck you going to a bar for a costume party. I was dressed in a suit. That sounds exactly like rest and embrace super hot. You have to wait in line to get it was in Salem, which is north of Boston. I know I spray painted my hair grey. My wife was dressed as Julia Roberts in her hooker outfit from the beginning of pretty woman and I was supposed to be Richard Gere but I was really fat and my hair was spray. A pretty gray so I just looked like Bill Clinton. We won like third place and they were like, do you play golf and I said, yes, even though I didn't and they gave me a bunch of golf balls that I never used. If I had said no, it haunts me if I had said no, I don't play golf with they have given me something better. So yeah, that was the other option you one for being fat Bill Clinton know I won for being being Richard Gere like we were a tandem costume, you know, I don't need to be fat shamed. I've been going to the gym goddamn it so Rocky Road. 87 says they went to a Halloween party recently and hers four-year-old got a basketball to the face. So she was dressed as super girl and she was covered in blood from a bloody nose. Whoo, which is really just really not how the character works. She wouldn't be bleeding. So she probably should have taken the costume off just for verisimilitude is her face red. No, yeah. Yeah super girls face is red. Like yeah, we thought Yeah, yeah have from Mad Max with whatever her name is. So sweet Melissa. 788 78-77 says she loved when she was younger in school and they dressed up and had a parade with candy. We don't do that around here anymore. Right so good. So we have character day. We're at our school next Monday. They get to go in school his character dressed as somebody like they're her favorite character from a book. No, this is the Halloween parade really they don't have a parade. You can dress kind of as a Halloween costume on Thursday, but there's nothing like there's not an event. You can't wear masks. Yeah, but I think they have character day which is like a real because they try to be all inclusive this it's in Brooklyn goddamn. They try to be all inclusive without excluding anybody or offending anybody who is offended by Pagan rituals or whatever we use are they do character named see where characters are what a few dresses. Monday is character day. Just from what book from the book of more Babbitt his heart ologist. I don't remember. A book of Science Book of Mormon. Is there a proctology one of the gospels? Anyway? Yes, it's complicated. Yeah, that's weird and lame and so you can you be a Spider-Man you can't wear a mask. Can you be Peter Parker then without the mask? I think my son is gonna wear a Spider-Man suit without a mask. You simply can't wear masks. What a fuck that well, they don't want you to wear masks for safety reason to be able to identify everybody. I don't know man. I'm not a superintendent Mike. My my kids have Halloween Day parade and they all dress. They don't have that check your kids at the door. Check out his Instagram account says we go with a bunch of friends and basically tailgate the whole time. He's talking about trick or treating they have a wagon full of beer kids get the candy and he gets the beer I bring a flask usually so in Park Slope they have a so we trick-or-treat Neighborhood and its really early start to like for for you trick or treat in our neighborhood and then we go over to Park Slope which is like a subway stop away and they have a parade down the street once it gets dark and there's some elaborate costumes all that shit and that can be fun and a lot of times after that we go to a bar or like a friend's house and the kids hang out and we have some drinks and this is It's on Thursday night this year. Yeah, so we'll see if that happens. You know, it's I haven't done that because it's just a little too they don't shut that down the street so there are cars and people I don't streets. No, they don't shut down the streets. And so there are people on the streets people on the streets and it just it's hard to drink. It can't I haven't you can't walk around the street drinking. Here's what you go to a well you drive to your place over. Obviously, you're not drinking. It's the opposite of living in a city. So kkkw 27 who was had a great comment on our vaccine podcast last week says she loves how excited her son gets about Halloween Pete hates how excited his kids get and he's like, fuck you. I'm not participating because I hate you and your lives KK says I hate how it always rains snows or is ask punching cold on Halloween. That's true because I know regardless I'm going to have to take him begging house to house. I believe she lives in Upstate New York, and she was talking about Trunk or Treats but also, you know the other guys suck when it's cold the other thing. Yeah, and and it's warm this week. I don't know. I haven't looked at the temperature of it's going to really drop it's been kind of a warmish supposed to hit. TS this weekend, so who knows where it'll be next week. But but I definitely remember everyone dresses my two girls with always dress up like as like a fairy or something that has a bit of code. And then there you go. Obviously a huge winter coat with a hat and it's like who what are you it's like don't worry about it. Yeah. It's giving us the worried about you. Give me them big and my fucking sack a treat to my jack-o'-lantern which holds nothing you come on you get a big those plastic Jacqueline and I know but some kids have those Jacqueline's I was making fun of him. It's a fucking loser. Like fun of them because they can't carry him mean to make fun of you making fun of me. All you do is make fun of me and I'm sick of it sick of it. So gorilla Rose says the same thing as me. I wish schools in our state allowed kids to dress up for Halloween or do a party. What wait there's a lot of crackdowns. I don't know what to say. I don't know what she said our state. She was like having solidarity with us or she was just saying our state meeting her and her family. Well, she obviously didn't hear that comment that you just made because this was written prior to that. Yeah. Well and obviously kind Peace, how could she have sent a comment and she had heard the podcast? You know what maybe she's behind you know, but I think that's crazy that you're I just that's weird that people are like don't have Halloween parades. No, people are nervous. They don't want to offend it's political correctness, but it's also yeah, I think it's also partially that kids in masks fake weapons. It gets confusing whatever he society sucks. You know, the 2019 is a goddamn night. It is a nightmare little charmer 80 says she's taking her kids trick-or-treating for the first time this year in the past. Been all excited to give out candy her kid has been but when people show up she shit herself with fear over their costumes lots of crying and running away and she thinks it's going to happen with her two-year-old again this year. She scared of costumes to it does it will descend into tears tantrums and ultimately rage. Let me ask you this real quick you do you hand out candy at all. No, because we have in the city we don't do we do a little bit right? Because our neighborhood we live in a little bit more neighborhood be place and for a few minutes like will sit out front and give I don't like it. It makes me nervous. I don't just I don't want to be sitting there giving people shit. I want to interact with anybody. I don't have to say hey cute costume kid get in my trunk. We're going to trunk or treating. I don't like a little cute in that cost. I mean, you're cute known what can I say your mom your dad. Everyone's care. Everybody looks cute as fuck. God everyone get in my trunk. Just get in my trunk. So here's another person who has the right idea a pot of in says one of my kids friends had a trick-or-treating tailgate party last year, they set up tables and they had booze and people brought food and as people trick-or-treated around the They like bounced in and out of the tailgate of their little party in grab beer the strings. That sounds way to go sadly they moved away. So well, that's the scariest part of Halloween for these people. Once you do it yourself a pot of in set it up. Come on sounds like you live somewhere with driveways and garages just do it. Come on. My part of we don't have that stuff. We don't have driveways and garages Nothing Live. We've nothing we have like Underpants and broken glass and over. I don't even wear Underpants. So I don't even have that underpins in the Alleyways. That's basically the my Underpants and Alleyways. What is Underpants? Has to do with anything underneath the BQE. There's a lot of Underpants like discarded Underpants in the settings. It's not a good life. It's the only life we know that it is. All right. So now we're going to get it as a lot of the the stuff people do now we're going to get into candy. All right? Okay, what are people's favorite candies? What are they don't 10 candy made in Bedlam who is actually Julie McCarthy one of our patrons. My old friend says she will provide a costume and makeup help for kids in exchange for all the payday bars. The only person on Earth Looks payday Mars. What are those? Those are just the nuts? Yeah, like nuts fuse together. Can I really say have the this is really where English candy shines British candy should say nothing that's gonna be but like Lion bars if you had a lion bar, I think so. Yeah, you're fucking know it won't. Yeah. Well, you'll all of a sudden become a better person human being it's impossible. I've met a maxed out. I've hit my ceiling. Sorry guys as good as it gets the knob goes up to 3 li Woodruff says cow tail. Is this a southern thing gross name? Good candy, never heard of it. Never heard any cow tail. I don't like what needs doing with his hands to pantomime would have calculated. It sounds like caramel Slim. Jim will find out. Why would you have let us know Casey her L says I'm in the minority but anything but peanut butter cups. Yep, Reese's Peanut Butter Cups were big they on this list a bunch of times. She doesn't like first of all she likes anything. But okay no Buttercup. No problem Casey Hornell. Your name is going on a list and it's going to be distributed Nationwide and to other As well Sarah underscore J. 281 says Snickers and shit makes her secretly happy about her kids peanut allergy because she gets the Snickers because the kid can have them we have a handful of those things with my kid where he can he can have peanuts because they're a legume. And he's allergic to tree nuts and peanuts are not a nut because there are legume but there are some nut base things like Almond Joys. He can't have guess what? I'll for from these weight Almond Joys. You're celebrating Almond Joys here. I like chocolate coconut that I like talking about the garbage or trash. Those are garbage Mounds are better because Mounds are dark chocolate and coconut and if you prefer milk chocolate or dark chocolate turn off the podcast and run into traffic because milk chocolate is fucking It it's garbage. It's not even chocolate. It's Becky 4005. Look at this. She says I love dark chocolate anything with peanut butter. My husband and the kids like sticky fruity. Junk them rot your teeth. I can't I'm not a big sweet. I'm not a big candy guy either our friend Tim loves candy. I love chocolate up the ass. You can shove it up. My dark chocolate dark chocolate me in the fucking Oblivion right? Have you handy stuff now? Have you ever had a dark? Chocolate Milky Way? Yeah my Milky Way Midnight so good. I don't even like other milky Way's but I like Milky Way Midnight, you know what they should make a cereal out of that where you just put just put a bunch of candy bars in a bars and then you put milk in it and then you just like going across the milk and eat the candy go into a closet and she says Becky 4005 also says by the way, yellow Skittle smell like Lysol. Fun fact Skittles are fucking garbage second. Fun fact, all Skittle flavors are the same all the different colored ones. They're the same flavor. They don't taste different. They're just colored differently. I do taste it. No. Yeah, they tell Dad. Damn it, you know we're going to factor this one. Okay, Katie girl says she likes Almond Joy. So you insulted her and then you apologize Kit Kats, which are good and she likes candy corn. Okay candy corn is divisive as fuck corn is I don't hate it. I don't like it, but I don't hate it. It's just kind of there. It's like those wax lips. What the fuck is the point? There's no but candy corn when you eat three candy corn. You really fucking shit when you You have candy corn it really is you've reached the bottom you're at the bottom. So cash corn is in my house as we speak. The Candy Corn is everywhere in my house my kids love it. They love the pumpkins. All right, they love the pumpkin candy corns. Yeah, and I just think it's pointless. It's just like chewy glob. So I don't know what pain pumpkin candy is candy corn shaped like pumping is and all it is is just candy Prince Turin. Yeah, it's just like actually it's fucking junk to grow. I don't even hate it. I just don't get it. I just think it's stupid. The feel like thick, you know what you know what it's like it's like peeps. I put candy corn and sugary like eating I don't like eating stale fiberglass with sugar. What painted sugar how far have we fallen? So Barb dots the Graham says, I'm weird. I love Sweet Tarts and anything sour so we use Sweet Tarts to reward my kid for going potty. So the may stop you from liking them so much that they have this Association, but my older kid loves or eating sour he loves sour gummies. He like sour skittles. He likes our They have sour Starburst. He loves all that sour shit. Anna Liam Anna Liam. Martin says Reese's what else is there Moog 32 Reese's cups are the real MVP TDW 38 Reese peanut butter cups all day all night. I love them. You get the Little Foot like the tinfoil ones small ones the little small ones. It's a great. Yeah. I really do enjoy the Trader Joe's has these ones that are they should be illegal they're in there. So amazing if you had Trader Joe's dark chocolate covered espresso beans. Anything that anything that comes from Trader Joe's it's dark chocolate covered. I'm also representing. So there's someone I follow on Instagram and can't remember who somebody constantly talking with him because she calls him sex in her mouth because they she thinks they're so good that well that sounds camera who that was. You know what it just sounds right, but I do I love caffeine and dark chocolate again. I'll eat that much heat that all fucking day. My what I do like is that we then have Dessert for like four months. Yeah. No. Yeah your friend well from like the bag of yeah and like every less you have a dog my dog used to find the candy. I used to have candy weight from cha Halloween until Easter. I used to fucking just ration it out and like I would save it and he's like save it to a fault we do this with Girl Scout cookies too because you like not gonna have this for a long time and then like next February comes around. You still have that fucking Thin Mints because you're so nervous about running out and you don't eat them enough because also to Mentor gross no, some hours are where it's at Sweet Melissa. 78-77 Twix and Almond Joy. I like Twix but you know, if you scrape off the chocolate and the caramel the little biscuits kind of like a dog treat now these to do that as a kid her kids like peppermint patties and plain M&M's Peppermint Patties like York Peppermint Patties there. Okay, you know what, you've raised your kids wrong if they like playing M&Ms and you I don't like plain M&M's. Oh my God. Those are so boring and basic you need that piece basic. You need peanut M&Ms or nothing he made her name is get stuck in my wisdom teeth because I I have my wisdom teeth fun fact, but they're definitely better than regular definitely a dichotomy there with through wisdom teeth and getting to know if that's called. It's an ironic. So can I say M&M's are bullshit and Reese's Pieces shit all over him. Reese's Pieces are so much better. They're not there are a few chocolate and peanut butter. What are they fake? The chocolate peanut butter versus just fucking candy shell in milk chocolate. It's fucking junk. What's the better than that is a Mmm, peanut M&Ms are better than real. We're not talking about that. I said we're talking about plain fucking M&M's versus Reese's Pieces of the same shape slightly different flavors Reese's Pieces shit all over M&M's. No one knows what that means. It means it is this figure it out. They can figure it out Reese's Pieces are better than M&Ms. That's the fucking analogy. Great Nate agrees with me. Shut up, Nate Sweet Melissa. 78-77 goes on to say that her neighbors give out Chinese candy, which is fun because they have no idea what it is or what the flavor is. Hey your kids guess it's like those Harry Potter like it's jelly beans. Have you ever done that? Those fucking Harry Potter jelly beans no fucking like torture one of them. They take ear wax or vomit vomit one is actually shit. If you if I eat a vomit one, I will throw up like it's got real acid. Yes, what the fuck is wrong with these people but come on you're saying the Chinese candy is is gross. He's vomiting. No, it's not. No, it's not this girl, you know, you know, it's not that it's gross. It's that you just don't know what you're getting. So it's like a crash that your back pedal which is the same thing with the you know, what all you see is race Jenna Jenna phatak own likes Mounds because she knows what she's talking about Mount guys Mount your fucking delicious chocolate and coconut. It's so doesn't like chocolate. It's one of the best combinations on Earth. If you had coconut everyone shampoo or coconut conditioner in front of me right now, I would drink God if I got a just smelling it you just turns me on it's not even about the flavor. That's so good smell of coconut. I need to go my God. It's incredible. Oh my God. Can we end this thing? I gotta go. I gotta take a shower. So mavi 9 underscore 8 says she loves the annual mom packs. She gets to loot their candy as needed because she's their mom and she's been wiping their asses all you gonna be. I think we all can appreciate that. So I'm excited. Ready to see what my kids bring home and then to just tell my nine-year-old loud. These have nuts in them. You can't have these even though I'll be lying but Dad. I don't know if Kit Kats a tree nuts and they they fucking do you better believe me? I know what Father Knows Best C Everett Koop. I ran into him we talked about last week, but thankfully my son likes the sweets the candy more than the chocolate boiled. So kkkw 27 who is becoming quite the prolific Comet or which we appreciate even though her husband is the person who called me. Out on the live earlier tonight and said that because I record those podcast or the live during Monday Night Football on catering to Mom's which you know, what I'm a progressive guy. I know a lot of women who like football just as much as I do maybe maybe even more right and I know a lot of guys who like parenting podcast, I don't know a single one actually actually am cedeño and a couple other guys on here. They've all pocket pocket palapala ski Sarge he doesn't watch Monday Night Football because he's watching Canadian. It's on Thursday. I don't cater to anybody. Believe me. Why do you think Have we already have any listeners? We need more ratings. So she says she refused to buy any Halloween candy. So when they went trick-or-treating she told her son to grab the Reese's and Kit Kats. I assume because she didn't have any at home and she wanted him. That's so good. But her kid kept grabbing. This is what she says the shit asked Kitty mix items like lollipops. I call them lollipops because most fucking grown adults do and not suckers. It says yes and double bubble bullshit. Double bubble is the worst gum. It's almost as bad as bazooka. It takes like those four. A shoes and then you're on right? Yes. So she says I thought maybe my kid didn't know what I was talking about. So told him to grab the orange and red wrapped chocolate bars still didn't work. So to Black's later. She said she said I might have had to threaten him if he didn't start yet fucking chocolate. Yeah. What is this bullshit? You're putting your bag kid get the real deal. I think we can all agree rhesus is probably loose gel my favorite candy, and I've talked about is the take five my favorite candy bar, which is it's made by rhesus now. I thought I don't know if they bought it because I don't think it used to be But I don't know it's called Reese's Take 5 and it's it's peanut butter and chocolate and some nuts and pretzel and the pretzel is the secret ingredient makes all the difference. It's fucking just a delicious. It's delay. I don't know if I would call it sex in my mouth. But you know what shits all over that line. It's Ash. It's also a little Tremor and he was talking about the Cadbury bar. So every time somebody like at work goes and visiting when they're London they bring back like the fruit and nuts and all that shit. Those are Double deckers, but if there's too much fucking milk chocolate in it you can you can you know, you can shove it turnover friend Caboose. You're gonna shove it up your cup roof. Well Mike I yet again and we we could have talked right but I think it's a Peabody we won the Peabody Award a Peabody Peabody minutes Peabody, Massachusetts, but it's the Peabody Award the Peabody Museum in New Haven, Connecticut where I grew up going to look at the dinosaur fossils, right? Well, If that we're on we got it all so we're going to lean we nailed week. I mean look, this is really nothing more to say about Halloween except we didn't get into how people sometimes put glass and needles and stuff in the candy. Yeah because it's an urban legend a myth that I've done I've done it but I like nobody ever wrote about it wasn't Halloween. All right. So let's get into our last section. It's the commenter section on our last episode dude our last several episodes episodes a few. Of them because we have a couple people like Dana bows day and Melissa Lombardi who are going back and deserve their binging their benching. How is this what you do in 2019. You've been watch by the way, I like watching and listening and binging at the same time. That's kind of what I like to do. You making me uncomfortable. Yeah. It might none of that. Yeah Prima nocta kind of shit. It's called Prema janitor neo-primitive neo-primitive better take the fucking blue pill. All right, so and he backs. That was our last episode Auntie back. So listen to that if you haven't yes, it's Really? It is fucking incendiary cover almost nothing. Very controversial. It's not a fact it a little bit of research for it. Don't fucking scoff. I did none. So gorilla Rose who is actually gorilla underscore our o2e says this question doesn't fall anywhere, but I'm going to ask anyway, do you guys believe we landed on the moon? So I think we so we talked a little bit about how if you don't believe in yes, if you don't believe in vaccinations, then you might not believe in you you did you dummy episode. Frank Ocean is your whole fucking trend of dumbass Latin shit. You don't believe in you don't think the Earth is round. You think it's flat. That's correct. And then you were saying that you 100% don't think jet fuel melts steel because you're a one of your 9/11 truther. I'm a 9 right? You don't think Elvis is dead. I he's obviously still alive you definitely don't think Tupac is dead. Come on Hammond biggie. They needed a big he's dead. Nobody's ever said that big. He's not dead. Everybody knows to Buck still alive. What's Every conspiracy is it that we didn't land on the moon maybe gerrymandering that's a real conspiracy or lobbyists. I don't know pick one of the ones that are actually saying. Yes, I know but do you believe we land on the Moon? Was it a Sound Stage? It was a 100% a soundstage on the moon. Now, we totally wheel and prove it. How about that prove it? No, but so gorilla Rose is making a very good point which is but I also my question to her was are you directing that at us? Us because I feel like that I think she's that I can't tell I think the very fact that you're asking that question. Yeah thinks she is implying that we don't believe right and you know, what gorilla Rose fuck you. How about that? You know, what we're equal opportunity offender is here and where do you stand on the JFK assassination? Actually no joke. I fully believe that it was just Lee Harvey Oswald Nate, you know one of the the under the radar theories, is that one of the sea. Service, man, when he heard the first shot panic and accidentally discharged his weapon and that's the Magic Bullet was actually they covered up the fact that one of the Secret Service Men actually shot like from behind so it's all fucking covered up Nate. It's called The Conspiracy. So I heard you know, when I was in high school, there's on for some reason there was a guy who's doing a book tour gave a speech at our high school and walked through the way he did it was so awesome. He basically took everything Oliver Stone know he basically was like well, of course Course, he was shot from over here right back and to the left. Well the exactly back into left and he's like, of course, that's true. Correct. And everyone's like yeah, of course he got shot and then he basically broke down. Yeah. He just totally dozen Elementary School known it was a high school that be stupid right before our anyway, don't break the film. JFK is very interesting. So Dana bows day. Oh did I say thank you Pete vaccines are no vaccines does not equate with kids being sick with colds or not not related. Did you say something about that? You have no idea also get the flu shot. It drives me nuts. The people say I got the flu shot and I got the flu because she's like really did you go to the doctor and get diagnosed with influenza. So she's saying that what people think of as the cold and as the actual flu or two different things, but also one of the big problems is people assume that the shot gave them the flu when in reality they may have had the flu for a couple of days and had got it yet like the symptoms actually show up a little bit later. So basically she's saying fuck you people who don't get vaccines and don't get the Blues. Shot I think I agree with everything here is the thank you Pete. You're probably right. Yeah, so it's one of the rare times. I actually I don't think I've read the comment. I just you're such a narcissist so back before that. We did our scheduling episode and how much of a pain in the ass having kids makes the logistics of your life. Yeah, Dana Bose day. Once again said Pete for the win, although when I say FTW come I say fuck the world. Yeah. Is this your Alias? She says I am a health care worker. I'm a physical therapist and Hospital working from home is not a thing, but I can make my schedule month to month because we talked about that. Yeah, for example, my kids have the entire week of Thanksgiving off, but my teacher husband is only off Thursday Friday, so I have to take the whole week off. No Pay Teachers aren't allowed to take personal days off around school holidays. So being married to a teacher has some perks and some drawbacks when it comes to scheduling. It. Sounds like more drawbacks. I'm just going to put that up there and park know maybe re-evaluate your marriage. Just do a little thinking just maybe he's just sort of maybe he shouldn't Move on columns pros and cons and just see where you need out but I we respect teachers not so much physical therapist but teachers 100% they do a lot for us Melissa. Lombardi says the the lice spray we talked about so is called fairytale Rosemary's repel. So this is important. Yeah, so we were talking about scheduling we talked about it up talking about lice and this is real. This is a real thing everyone needs to get fairy tales Rosemary, but that's what we have to spray like every day. I don't know. Just be proactive. No, I think it's really a good hack. You just don't have to do with it's not a hat. It's not really have to deal with more. I need a hack for the hack if I have to do that every fucking day and they don't even have lice not a big deal. I need a hacker to hack. This is what's the shortcut you spray and just make sure you if you have long hair you got to spray under the base in there. No, you don't have to worry about that. I know no I don't you don't have long hair. No, not my wife. Not up here. My wife clipped the Hammers mullet though. He hasn't gotten a real haircut. He's got long hair. It's like wispy. But like Curly and she clicked his his clipped his he's my little little and his finish front and he looked like then combed it and it looks like a totally different person. It looks like he's going to the fucking prom. It's hot. He was pretty high and then the listening party with that. She said well who I'm finally up to date on your amazing podcast, so Melissa, Lombardi is an absolute common to know what she she might as well be Vince Lombardi to mute the best there ever. Was it common? Fuck you Bill Belichick on YouTube. Thank you. You too. Can comment on you to get it? I flipped it. You really shit all over that. You should all over that. That's my favorite comment like phrases and shits all over. Yeah, you know, I'll tell you what out of the out of the to co-host we have I shit all over you and I'm not just talking literally that's like really the probably the lamest thing you could have. No then the lamest thing I could come up with was Neo Primo genitor. Is it? Yeah the judge let us know give us radio. You're asking me. Because Nate was definitely on my side. I know when I tell you that much now go give us ratings comment on individual episodes on YouTube join us on join us on patreon if you like the fan but really when we hit 200 ratings, I think we're going to do a full-on diagnosis. We're going to get into the JFK assassination. Yeah seen by seeing the disease of the Zapruder film shot by shot and you're going to be Jean Valjean from java John. I'm gonna do line by line Right One Day More another day another dollar. 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As an adult, what's not to like about Halloween? All you have to do is simply click any buy your kid a costume in a bag. Easy. Oh wait, you mean the night before they don't want to be an Avenger  anymore they want to be a ghost. Just a regular ghost. No problem, you didn't need that $80 you spent on the costume anyway. Oh but, the ghost costume you now had to take a day off of work to make isn't the "right kind of ghost" and now they are in a full meltdown while your other kid(s) and wife/hub are yeling at you because you don't have a costume that goes with the theme - YES WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE FAMILY THEME!! YOU RUIN EVERYTHING!!! *Ahem* I'm ok. Mike and Pete do what they do worst; talk about it.

Have you heard about the easiest way to make a podcast? It's called anchor it's free. They're tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone and computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard from Spotify Apple podcast and many other platforms maker money right now from ra podcast quick and easy with no minimum listenership. It's easy. It's everything that you need to make it podcast. And one place download the free anchor app are go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. What's up, everybody? Welcome to otaku Summit. Welcome back to episode 15 and I forgot to press record not just getting an idea, you know introduce the co-host, you know, you guys, you know, do what you gotta do. Do you know Mommy don't I don't know what you mean. You just said some stuff. I said I would. Well, I guess I'm Steve. This is Steve. The guy talking it might be Jojo Jojo and I might be chaos. It might be might be the boy. Yeah, let's get into the anime news. Um, I don't know to be honest. We're going to start off a I said I think if anyone who knows anime or you just is what is it caught up on anime news. They know about the studio fire of I'm not even gonna try to mispronounce his name. But JoJo, do you know how to say this name Hotel Koto studio. Um, there was an arson fire. I actually have the article. I'll bring that up. But yeah as I bring this up where you guys that's on this you guys heard about it. Yes, always sad when stuff like this happens. Like like I said, it was arson like somebody just Come on. Yeah, and I'll see ya there was a round 34 injuries and and within those is like a people who died. So this is according to the article that I'm reading, you know, like 44 died in 36 really injured somewhere. But yeah, yeah, there's a lot of things that I think. People don't even really know that they probably watched some of these anime because yeah because I didn't know like I was already sad like whether I watch it or not, you know, like damn like people like your life but like like a go through there. What after the head JoJo you remember any of their My favorite my personal favorite hulka fucking beyond the boundary. Brilliant Park silent boys, May Dragon my God why? But it's movies on that sound phony. Mm. Oh my God. Yeah get them or I go down a little more depressed. I get it just like really yeah. They hit like hit this one. Like why man, these are like, these are like some of the most not I'm going they say, I'm the most like happy like an amazing Owens a happy but most emotional you ready? Nothing on here you like moving pieces, you know. Every Garden yeah Silver Lining of this is that they reach their goal. Yeah. I saw that many of the like other Studios that were either help me out on Twitter and stuff like that. They were doing a GoFundMe. It's pretty cool to see like people supporting and stuff like that. The Canadians are like come together and help. You can help out of us. They can. And just one portion of that about to happen. Yeah, before I move on you any of you guys have like a certain atom a that you remember watching as per like your favorite that they made. Well, the only one that really jumps out to meet the size Clannad is us-ally you following me. No, I was well if y'all don't know how I'll play it in the bed and like I'm really fuck with the show made in a band Yes. Oh shit. So euphonium are close to home. Like I don't know what to do reason was like somebody took credit for something. He did Iana Yabba. Come on. What come on condolences to the family and everybody tune? Yeah, it's just it's just a sad situation bro. Yeah, I usually never like to report on things like this. But like this one, there's like two major not too. Yeah, like there's many artists directors and stuff like that who's passed while doing this podcast and stuff, but you don't find it like What is it? What is my words going to do feel like people really trying to heal or anything like that, you know, just kind of tell people about this news and stuff just support support the artist. That's something I could probably possibly say. But yeah functional was having a thing like If you watch the show or anything, you could just leave a message. Oh, yeah, that should just just showing support all that stuff and all their stuff is all from other works. Yeah, that's cool. That's because this Mia One's Gonna anime. I really enjoyed and I was telling Jo Jo the movie. Yeah. This is a situation but it's it's good to see like the whole White Community coming together for one cause you know, I'm saying yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's really hard to probably move on from this. But before I go I don't want to cut anyone off anyone else got something to say before we move on. JoJo you got some. No, well, let's move on to my hero Academia season for got a Comic-Con trailer. That's dubbed. I don't remember if we got a trailer before this. I think it was like a teaser then we got a little trailer. I don't think there's no I haven't seen any dubbed it wasn't so yeah. I saw the trailer. I don't know if you guys saw it. I mean, of course you guys have some put it in here y'all should have yeah, I think I was already I won't say hi to her Meyer, but you know, I'm a watch it regardless things are starting to look more interesting in the next season. I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't remember too much about the trailer. But yeah, and what do you guys think about the trailer? I'm interested to see uh, what's my man's name? Well the whole victory in action then big three that guy introduced at the let at the end of the last season, and now remember that and then I'm ready. I believe this comes out in October. I may be wrong. Okay that can bring it up. I can't bring that stuff up. Oh, yeah and speaking about that. This isn't really news. But like I saw enough you also have been Staples was talking about my hero. He has his hands up this coming season, but those funny it's funny that a lot of people I told you I read the Manga I can't see anything. Someone likes you, but now there's like so far. This has nothing to do with the movie trailer. But like I really enjoyed the sandwich because it's just it's fun. It's like flips the genre on the Ted. It's actually pretty funny. Like usually I don't know. I don't know might seem like dark, but anytime I see like a comedy show. They're don't really make me laugh. I don't know. That's why I watch a lot of stand-up because it's not enough to stand up for him. It just comes to me like kind of the trying too hard. I'm going to say whether they did it well, but the combat but the movie trailer looks dope. Like I like I like I said, I'm brilliant first season. I didn't want to spoil myself too much. So I like skim through the trailer but Like the powers and stuff obviously, it's a movie so they got a budget and stuff all the characters. All the characters are there. It looks like they're going to be going to obviously but it looks like they're going The Backs not the back story but more in too long. What's that girl's name with the witch hat making me I may be I may be wrong, but it looks like they're more going towards her story or something like that. Yeah, it's are like her family and all that sort of stuff. Okay, okay. Yeah, and she's a yeah, she's not done knowing one in the group. There is one explosion girl, but she's like that's like partly why it's funny. Yeah. Y'all check out the trailer with you all think. Okay, I don't watch the show that awesome sounding her here. They have I didn't know they had a Going on the rain or something. Yeah, it's for their 20th anniversary. So yeah, it's been like 20 years since you you I'ma that's crazy, which I don't I'm not gonna like the I don't be watching you, you know now but I think the last thing I was interested was the movie original movie. Yeah, but if the series is like good, I'll check it out. The reason why I don't have him watch this any of the series because they like more towards the kids and stuff. It seems like it more cartoony. Hello. But I've seen some clips like hey something's Tyler sisters and they're just basically like your thoughts this guy. I like the games the mobile games and stuff. Yeah, yeah, you start adding some like it's like he's like do I keep up Jaden and I had a duel school and then like the next iteration was the modern motorcycles. I was like, all right, bro. What the heck? This is not easy. Wouldn't what a motorcycles have to do with it is a playing cards, right? I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know what's going on, but I would say the two facedown cards and end my turn before we move on. We're gonna get beginning to like the review section of the podcast. I did want to say we're not doing by force this week due to they rescheduled their episode 3 of our forest since the studio fire happened. I think that comes out. So yeah, this was end of this week. So yeah when y'all listen to that, all right, listen this but time you looking should be out but whenever you listen, Whatever you listen, this should be that week exactly I'll keep this all in there. But yeah, so let's go on to our first impressions of Vinland Saga and this is not going to be like a fruitful review would be like, hey if it's good, we'll keep watching it. If it's bad. We're going to throw that in this shithole. We're going to pretend like it never happened but Finland, Saga it's been rare mekin with Lube. Okay, I'm keeping it in it's been real. It's been ripped from Mike. What are you saying? Is that a lot of people that watch the first two episodes, but I'm not gonna lie. I think I watched three episodes. They were all three out before I go any longer. Would y'all think trash trash? Okay. Okay. Okay JoJo. Thank you. But it's not like I don't know what it was. It's like They didn't use it bad and he is over do it. They mix, you know drawing with CGI something that I didn't like about berserk was it was all CGI that you can see and ugly CGI, right, but in this one like if it's ugly CGI, most of the things you're saying is not CGI that makes any sense on the screen. It's mostly Jones is coming like you foldable style a little bit date. They do like maybe like water physics and stuff. That's CGI and just have two hands. That's that's pretty much a high quality 2D animation. They don't overdo it even when they're using with the characters like in the scenes and stuff like they use it for a couple seconds and boom then the get out of there there. There was one more like are they didn't he do there? But all right because he was like, somebody was looking away from the camera and They were using the CJ on the dude, but it was a sign it was just funny. But anyways, the story School basically been when is a place of no slaves and stuff like that. It's a over the seas where this boy and dad and I got his village. I would want to say I haven't been notes here. Yeah. On all the family the villages in the know that's a yeah, they're in Iceland. But like Vinland is somewhere else. It's like you place with no slave know pretty much. Peace. No Free Will and free one for you. And I know the reason why I bring that up is because basically yeah, like there's some crazy shit that goes on near Iceland and stuff war is happening slaves. He's being slaves that came out wrong. Okay, I can't I can't talk today. Basically. Yeah, they end up finding a slave first first episode. Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't first episode. Yeah, they find a slave and basically He they witness what what does war is being about while he said younger kids and the village. I've never known war but the dad has been in war because he's been in the dad is named Thorns, by the way, which I thought that was funny. They were his gonna have like some kind of fucking God knew that may be turned. So God later God not hitting people that's name is stores and the The other Viking the captain of the the Vikings that came to the island. His name is Floki monkey. Yeah, that's what goes into and stuff because that is where they came I became cool. But right now there's no hitches basically all realistic shit. No powers and stuff and it's really dark. Like that happened to episode one nothing really happened episode one step for that and like the they come and whatever. I'm not going to recap just getting the main points episode 2 happens and we just see we see basically see what how brutal this and we could be. I believe this is an episode where they start off. I might be mixing three and one Actually, no, I'm not. Okay. So an episode to there there's like a village who get got attacked while they were bathing. Everyone's like naked and up and stuff like that and they get fucking it got bloody. Like I'm not gonna lie. I was like, yo, finally a pull-up like just brutal anime that I haven't seen in a minute that was bro. I thought within the pasola woman, uh, Dude came through the chains and those funny. Oh my God. So let me explain now. How are you gonna explain my a be talking about you know, so basically the slave that ran away his his his owner pulled up to the Village, right and apparently his village and the village they pulled up to a like a reoccurring be for whatever one of his guys and The the Iceland Villages they they got into a little squabble and do its why y'all cut it out, but anyone who listened he said, all right, but you got his chains. He wrapped them around like his face whole head and then he just ripped them off and like like like a skit part of this hair off is singing like you're pulling it in the realistically what would happen is what would happen with what you see in the anime like a Chic look. Ruling because they not only did they show you that mixes face. He's you saw the the hair on the Chain. Yeah, that shit hurt like it hurted my face broke. It's a guy. Yeah you write that was that was a brutal a couple moments of this very mature, I think anime. Tonight's gonna be going towards and it's not brutal for the for the sake of nothing. That's why I felt like berserk was doing to like I bring a bizarre because that that's probably most thing I could compare it to maybe I don't watch a lot of historic and amazing stuff like that and just like brutal animes. I watch him here in there. Well, what up saw this I thought of drifters even though the art style looks completely This one real to drift as if there's is preferable to I'm going down first couple episodes. Oh, yeah. They were you mention the dad and the other Captain Floki they've they were in war together. They were partners and the dad ran off in the war and faked his death and now they found them and now they wanted to come back and fight, but basically that's the premise of the first two episodes. They want to come and fight and they do Do and that's the villagers about to get into some more shit and the kid has some emotions of like that as I get mad at dad for some really good start off anime. I'm glad I took I've been wanting to I know people were recommending it to us. Yeah, I got through it. But I didn't have time it was the last stuff I was doing but I finally sat down and watched it all. Well, not only but yeah, there's three episodes out right now watch them. I'm gonna continue watching it. I think Steve is confirmed that he'll continue watching it. Well, fuck you too JoJo, would you think? Gems out there and he just doesn't want to risk it. All right. Yeah, it's hard to hear you. Got so far enemy. Hit me up. I got it from this season or it don't really matter. Let's move on. Like I said part Force has been rescheduled. So we're not doing that this week. Um, let's get it to dr. Stone. I guess some things to say about this, but I don't know if I took notes on dark stone and it did I I didn't write so I forgot what kind of happened just get the mate just get the main points don't Dona recap. This is the one where she gets revived, right? Yeah. Yeah. So is this starts off where we left off norms and the bad guy? And Susie Susie Susie something that the fighter guy. Yeah. He's he, you know, he's got his whole hill been planning to kill all adults and our main boyfriend. What's the fucking nose up so I can call her the names senkaku the sick was like nah, and they've they get a ready. And then it'd make him the one yeah, they try and trick them and think like yo, we don't have enough and then they once he's gone, they revived tired use girlfriend or want to be girlfriend uses re is he's real. Okay, let's pause right there. Let's pause right there. Yeah. So this is where I had a problem. All right first off. This guy's a fucking creep. Long did this guide know her before this all happened like me what like a week a month. I don't know friends or something really because that's all he was thinking. I was like, all right like that what he was in the he wasn't that wasn't the reason why he broke out. That's the reason he's probably survived. I remember you. That's what I mean. If that's the case. That's a that's a sip God. Yeah, she comes back with her headphones cylinder head as I still wearing them as shit that shit off. That should be broken already. Oh headphones. Are those like those like you Muffin things, right even if that was a case, they should break. They should have dissolved like a close. It might have wait. How did she get her clothes on that vest? He put the clothes on her although she was doing Stones. Yeah, that's why they didn't all that happens. They need to make weapons. So they like leave right? Is that when they leave but they are there it is. Yeah. Sister still in fucking Japan Tokyo to find it's a Prada find a materials to make Gunsmoke. I forgot what city of was there when I Advanced Civilization by a couple thousand years over the Billboards. We need a gun because this man who caused this too strong. I'm here to make a box with a bunch of lines and won't let me get that hammer. I do want to say that's Most of the episode are that's that's yeah, that's pretty much the whole episode. Yeah, this will cause us to know you're okay. They're trying to kill me. That's not a named person has said This anime he can't see it like going on for so long because it's a bit overhyped and I got to agree with him. I just feel like it's not not overhyped in that it sucks. It just like it was so over hide that feel like something exciting should be happening and they still hadn't like blown my mind yet. It's more so like I'm checking it out because of how everyone got it hon. That makes sense. Like I said, it was out there that people love this manga and I guess people have said that bandmate is looking good witch it looks good the story and like the characters right now. Like thank you school, but does he like is he my favorite? I think he's my favorite at the fault because all the other ones are kind of like annoying like that lie dude that's amps he yells a lot and it is Is annoying and then the villain guy. He's just whatever like I don't I don't care for him being really we got three characters. That's what I'm saying. Well, we got three characters. They all fucking suck hurry. I mean like will see is still supposed to be Reviving people. So maybe somebody every buyer. They looked like Edward Elric. Oh, that'd be so dope. They have like crossover. I'm not think about it Fullmetal Alchemist in there. Yeah. I don't know how y'all feel towards animate. Like I'll enjoy enjoy it for what it is right now, but it's definitely not one of the top and amazed at least of the Season that I'm watching. Oh, I think it's cool. I don't think it's well, I don't know I didn't I didn't think it was getting that much. I bought thing Crunchyroll just ever ties the shit out of you saying is crunch a real fault. I guess. Thank you Crunchyroll your job and don't every time I feel like maybe they did this. I don't know. It's fire for his Country Role. That's a FUNimation this on Crunchyroll to bit like crunch rules like advertising this one because I think it's a Crunchyroll exclusive or whatever and apparently the mangas pretty good. Okay, so we'll see. We'll see I don't want to trash you think the show isn't that y'all think. I think it's Like I don't want to make it sound like I'm trash new the think my tone down my expectations a little bit because maybe they were a little bit too high. Yeah, you might not trust my expectations one crazy hot. I would say fire for says episodes and she looks cool. Some of the characters are dope Demon Slayer you want to move on we said everything how did you know Joe Philip don't know man. Break his whole shit up of the main character already knows but no, but you're right. We're very early. I don't know. I don't know how many episodes like the first season. Is don't know if it's going to I don't know if it's gonna be a long anime, which I don't think it'll be but I know it might prove normal typical typical shown in with like, you know. like It's the power system a whole kind of story than it is and because of that it's going to start off slow. Like like if you remember Hunter x Hunter like the first video hundreds of on this corner like this little while. Right. Yeah, I mean pretty good episode. I guess it's okay episode for me. All right guys go to doing a lot of setup which unfortunately takes time and you know yet hope for you know, yeah besides there's a lot of an amazing kind of disappointing. Is that nothing to do with anime, but I'm getting back into the flash. I was telling Stephen everybody in the dams. Um, but like a flash has been funny as shit. I'm catching up on it just funny because like I'm watching it. I'm like, oh, it's actually getting it's a pretty good. It's it's like I was like this season has been picking up steam the second half. I don't Why I'm trying I'm not trying to review it. But I want to say like I see a lot of crazy stuff happening. And so when I go I watch other stuff than that, I want to see some good shit cuz I need to refresh my mind what I just seen and with that being said one of those things. I want to be better that you know when I'm watching The Flash and I'd go to watch something else that that should be a really good anime. Which is Demon Slayer episode 15 and 16. Um, but name is Larry lately has been a little bit of a bumpy of how I feel about it because of the flow the pacing everything that's going on. That's just some of the characters are getting annoying but episode 15. Y'all gonna have to help me on this one because I told the guys I'm not afraid to say it. I I skim through it. Is this the one where he shows his face. No, no was that last part? Maybe to go ones recover and then they cover the final admission. You gotta go to the forest and some other colors. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know what their name was like the ranking or whatever but it seems like they're part. Obviously therefore there was they were the lowest one. I mean you don't they all have their suits and look they look like unified. That's how you know, this is the episode. We saw I'm jumping around episode. We saw that dude from the first episode. Sewed for like a little bit you yeah, we saw him. He's the has the most drip and he's barely Benny. I still remember I'm like yo, where's he go back to the most powerful motherfucker. Yeah, the end of finding them. I want to say what happens is like there's demons and the forest that are contentious. It's like a puppet demon like they control The the webs of spiders and use the it's hard to explain like these spider webs like strings for a publisher or that just me just a little buzzed. I just put your fucking mic that's good. Then using that and then premises again to battle and all that and the the Moorhead was his name. He's no see okay, or you know, no it's okay. Yeah uses his power to find the demon which is what was his power. I don't know not all the fucking mic. He's getting keeps buzzing and on and off but I'm scared too. Don't worry too much about it yet. He ends up doing that. That's the reason why I skipped episode 15. There was like nothing much going on in the first part. So I just kind of kept to it till the end. That's my opinion. But what was your opinion on this episode Steve? It was okay. There were just sitting up for the eventual fight is going to happen next episode but uh when later on but I thought it was cool that we got to see you again. And the we got a glance at another person that's on using right guys. So man and the head honcho of the Demon Slayer. He's like yo, we're losing too many people out here y'all about to go. Over there and see what's going on. But yeah, they got me excited. Yeah, just what I want him back. Maybe you're Sav save the group real quick. But what do you think judge everything about episode 15? Oh just sign up for the pulp episode. Yeah. Yeah pretty much a boring shit. Alright episode episode 16. Yo, hold on. Hold on. Let me let me see this one. During this episode chondro finds out to get the the webs off. The all right now is gonna bring that up. But yeah, it was off the demon Slayers has been caught he just cut some with a sword. I'm like yo are is everybody else? That stupid? Yes. Yes. I walk around with blades and getting controlled by stringy spiderwebs. And he says that NN the other the boar had guys like he's killing the spiders to is. Just kill him like this to Manny. So even maybe there's too many but like y'all can't cut though because they in episode 16, we're gonna get into it. There's a moment where something like that happens and you know, one of the spiders guess I'll Todd Rose arm and they start controlling his arm a little bit. He's like oh shit and then you just cause to strangle. Yeah, and like I didn't understand why they didn't do that again. But yeah so episodes $16 to get the quick points out. The demon Slayers are getting controlled by the web's as we talked about and all right. This is the part where like saving brings it up. Like they could have just cut it out the web's but they have to be like, oh gotta find a new trick or something. They run around in a in a circle and then like toss their ass into the tree nothing like I mean, I guess that's smart. But like what kind of just just Hack and Slash the way Like you did before those demons. Yeah, they were stronger. Well, she had a better control on the the demon Slayers that were further back. Yeah, and and don't have any like when they cut it like this part with your reattach it back on. Yeah, so they decide to take a look at the website. Yeah, just keep him out there and safe. Yeah. The demon snaps, I'm not gonna lie. Haven't seen something like this. Oh my God. And then you talking about you talking about the Headless demon puppet. Yeah, yeah. Oh me. No. No, keep going. Just keep in mind that after or when she decided to snap the demon Slayers next like Tundra and you know ski they were struggling I like Try to save these guys, right they throw them up in the tree. It's like a little mini. You know, I'm saying Google minute to get passed on that. All right now keep going. Cuz I don't think I have had the part where you tell him out. But anyways, they running to headless demon puppet. They struggle with him a little bit. And then so this is the part where I got confused because I skipped a lot of last episode but the yellow dudes and zetsu, I think is his name yellow goes missing. He's looking for nezha go in the forest. So I'm guessing she got lost in the forest or something like that or the or something because I skip monkeys because Well, he they left him alone in the last episode because uh, you know scant ondraw just charged him when they saw people needed help or whatever and then Vanessa Lucius in in the back scare. He's scared to go in the forest because he thinks he looks creepy as it sounds creepy. He's got super super hearing. He's hearing weird sounds I don't blame him. I'm going. Oh, you know what many thanks. He thinks back in like wait a minute. He got neskowin them. Yeah. Thanks. You know what, you know, what series of charges mm. Yeah. I I didn't understand why he was so scared. But like imagine you hear things from far away just like you just said like in the force, I'll be scared. I'm not gonna be kind of scared to because like you're hearing it and I am I guess is he's hearing it but maybe a little bit closer than what it is or something like it's louder to him. Obviously, so don't know if he's hearing all those things the fighting the the neck breaking and stuff like damn bro, like It's an everyday thing for him. Probably you will get used to it. Then you just of everything they say so what could I do you sleep apparently. Oh, yeah, that's true voices and stuff. So yeah, the Boar Head dude gets caught in the webs and tandro just cut them off. Like it's the only sane earlier. Yeah, and they kill all the Headless demon. What's I mean, he's pretty much what's up? Yeah, that's me. I mean this man out of five which is like yo just follow the pond rulebook that the demon and said you'll perfect plan. Let's do it. Why did it and fight? So to be fair Steve to be fair their plan wasn't to injure the other demons lawyer I got because I bet you they could slice of slice them up. But I mean that wasn't the plan they're doing this like in the case of the public being Demon, I think. yeah, so that I would defend that point little bit say the cuts and the reason why the dude the Boar Head dude, you know suck a tosses Time Tangie in the air like want Competition baby. Yeah, so when you know skate jumped on top of back to kill off the hill it's deeper wherever you like a I can do that too the fruit Andhra over to the puppet master and I wasn't on girl. I don't know if I like that he did it on that like almost an accident you did but I don't think it was I think he knew where he was the whole time. Oh, yeah. Well he did. See you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out. Do you throw straight to him straight to her? Yes. Anyways, he tosses them up and are she like oh, no, she just wants to die. She wants to be free. So she like puts her hands down or whatever. You should fucking get sliced and diced from town G with a samurai slash. My boy. Did I - it's so cliche me feel pain Bradley y'all. Yeah, and that's pretty much it. But I mean, that's all knows. I got it. Here's the thing about that. This is man Tantra was heated three minutes ago right murdered all of those people right? And then he said he got so he decided to make it Pink. That's always that's all. You see what boy was healed, but that's why is it dies at least Damon Hill about to slice the fuck out her brother you like bows Matt Hose mad. Oh, come on, and that's this like the then I don't know if he was feeling bad for afterwards or something. Because like she was saying, oh, he looks at me with kind eyes and yada yada yada, like what I mean every demon is killed. He's been nice and like member. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I guess to Steven. I guess it's Stevens Point other damage didn't just kill people that he knew or like did the demon Slayers in front of their face? Like they've killed like that the one in the forest in like the first couple episodes where that big monster. He talks about he killed the children, but he didn't see it. But in this case, he saw the all of them now next what he was he didn't know he was quiet. He was the quiet angry man. He's all right. I mean, even you know talk he said all that gift of God. Yeah. That's what you think about this JoJo no time. Town drunk got that his heart. We got to be super nice very buddy. So be like that ain't gonna be nothing. Do that be mad all the time. Like it was a dude that that would look in that completed told ya he's got a bunch of girls voice. Let's see what I'm saying that he was so mad at like you remind me of Dodger all I got to play your dad. So, you know, you remind me of the the Cam Newton gift. He's like taking his like, all right on the sidelines. He's like, oh Right. That's how we gonna do put in work then. Yeah. I mean that's this that episode is pretty decent picked up and it kind of weird but we'll take it. I'll take it. Does he feel her flash Packer assistant is he's smelling the flashback. I don't know better. Him. Oh, no, he's very active in liking like she had a flashback and then it then it showed her looking at Tundra and he felt bad falling or at least a little like he felt bad. I mean, you know you feel bad for anybody kill you, but sorry bro, like well, that's your head off on bro. I'm sorry, bro. I didn't always get it. You know, it's gonna feel that I have yeah, yeah. I say these last I mean the last episode was kind of boring this episode. I watched it all like I said good picked up the pace now. Let's just continue on being a good episode. I feel like it's going to get better because there's even though there was a bigger fight in this episode. I feel like it's even bigger stuff on the way it is. It's one in the flashback. They showed the person or the Spider Woman at Saint Jerome killed. She was the mother apparently and the father was abusing her and yada yada yada and that father is one of the twelve demon moves or keys and key Zakia. Wow. Yeah one important motherfuckers. Yeah. And there's three children. There is one that we got shown earlier that episode and this the other one not I think the other one is about to fight isn't this because they showed Isn't that someone in the pond in the forest and spider was following them and doesn't correct? But I think the father is going to be super tough. And I think be you another chicken gonna have to pull up for that. Yeah, and I'm gonna end and what's his name Thunder Rolls gonna have to fight the other spider kid. Spider-Boy. Yeah, not fun and do get out. Yeah. Was that the last thing you want sex? I don't have too much say it. Was it. Was it something else moving? Yeah. It was when I went on troll kill the spider lady she I had a flashback of a guide also had kind eyes we opened up some that's what I thought. That's why I like it. I thought it was a little hint that maybe there was something maybe like like we said like it's a it's that other do that mucins been looking for or some shit like that our oh, yeah, Santa Rosa relative. Yeah. I think I'm that's pretty much it. Nothing too much you kind of spread through this. Week because we honestly I've been meaning to do this in Saturday, but I lost something happening on my side and everybody side work and stuff like that. Hopefully I get to sell but tomorrow I'm gonna stay up tonight. Give me this shit on Tuesday. Um, but before we head out close this off, um, yeah support the studio of the ours. And fire Kyoto, I don't want to mispronounce it but forgive me if I did go support like Jojo said I think they already done with the fund me. But yeah, appreciate y'all coming through JoJo Steve y'all got anything to say. Yeah, you want to pour any other works, you know, I definitely recommend watching like he's one of their shows that they got a lot of Classics honestly a lot of stuff that I like. People recommend. Yeah, Steve. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, actually, you know what? I've been watching One Piece again. I took a little break. Hey, you're back in it now. Listen. Oh no. Well, y'all know we covered a little bit the the new art style. They got yeah, it's going on, bro. Been about it has 3 episode already know Vinnie not the praise of equality Steve. So you say next Escape I Should Skip just that I skip right on. Those are you don't know I'm I started I don't want to say I started because I'm literally like an episode like what 7 know but I feel like to say you Gabby like in the 50s trip one piece. But yeah, like I could see why people like Smo look very very in beginning. I had like I was telling ya I could see why people like this anime now want to get into it it just a lot of time and what time and I don't and I don't say that lightly. But yeah, I seen like the trailers and stuff. That's what makes me. I'm like, all right, I get down with this like this the Same guy that directed The Dragon Ball movie is directing this this whole Arc. Yeah the movie The Dragon Ball broken. Yeah, just make sure everyone knows. JJ's you done? Well, I'm done to about an hour 61-59 cut that it did pretty good. Yeah, we'll see y'all next week. Hopefully we'll talk about some five floors some anime news all that bullshit up appreciate y'all coming through the episode 15. There's a little bit bumpy in the beginning because I was doing it, but you don't fuck it. I don't care. All right. Yeah.

On this episode of Otaku Summit, The guys start off with some sad news about the Studio Kyoto arson fire and talk about some of their work they loved. We send out love towards the family and friends who lost someone during the fire. They also talk about the trailer for My Hero Academia Season 4 and the new upcoming Konosuba movie. There is no Fire Force episode review this week due to the Studio Kyoto fire so we will resume those reviews once it comes back. JoJo, Chaos and Steve talk about if Vinland Saga is worth watching after check out 2 episodes (@15:54). The review for episode 3 of Dr. Stone start at (26:21) and Chaos talk about how this anime was a little over hyped but still will watch it. Last review is Demon Slayer episodes 15 - 16 starting at (36:30) the guys talk about how Demon Slayer is lack luster at times but is starting to pick up the pace with it's recent episode. Hope you guys enjoy this episode of Otaku Summit and like always THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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I knew all of them beforehand in terms of you know, following some of Them learning from them. And now I feel like I have just made this deep connection with all them and there's such incredible incredible women and I just know that you experienced that too in the interviews. So if you haven't had a chance to listen to them all you can go back and listen to them their impact Castform on anchor FM and actually starting next week. You're going to be able to access the videos whenever you You want I'm going to have my mic at Grazie. He actually I don't think has made an appearance yet, which is kind of surprising. So he may come in and out in this final interview with me with myself. So yeah, I hope that you followed the women that we've that I've talked to you this week. They've been part of the summit and hopefully you're reaching out to them because they have much more to to teach you and for you to learn from them. So but today in this Final interview I decided that I was going to talk about estrogen dominance. So to scale back a little bit. We've talked I think a bit this week about estrogen dominance, but I just want to talk to you know to you about the reason that it's played such a role in my life and kind of brought me to where I am today. So I would say messy you by now probably know that I had a fibroid. Relatively large fibroid it was I think six centimeters when we discovered it or when I got it checked out. I discovered it myself and it was about eight semi centimeters by the time I got a removed that was probably about three or four months after I found it. So it actually grew quite a bit in a short amount of time and I knew obviously that my hormones were off to have that happen, but I didn't quite And what was going on and at that point it was causing me to bleed profusely during my periods to the extent that it made me pretty anemic. And it also this is a joke with some of the women that I taught dance to that. I was growing a tail because was actually pushing out my coccyx bone so I couldn't even when I sat it was kind of painful sometimes but definitely when I did any kind of exercise, you know, and yoga mat using the back side of my body, so, you know, I I kind of jumped into like okay, I got to get this thing removed because in all of the research that I did, you know, people said, yeah, it's really hard to shrink them. And once they get past a certain size, you can't really shrink them. And so I just was like, okay, so I will do this surgery called a laparoscopic myomectomy. And that is where they just make tiny little incisions Tango in and they actually cut up a fibroid. And then put it in a bag to protect you in case it actually is cancerous which it's cancerous less than 1% of time, but they don't know until they pull it out. And so they put it in this bag to protect you and pull it out. It's pretty amazing to me still to this day how they pull this balloon full of fiber and from those little incisions, but nonetheless, uh, so they do and you know, it's supposed to be a pretty simple surgery down time of about two weeks. So very quickly after my surgery and coming back home from the surgery, you know, I wasn't feeling well, but I just assumed that you know, I just had surgery and not everybody bounces back as fast as they say you well and so, you know the swelling started going down a little bit after like three days and so I thought I was on the uptick, but I really I just I could barely get out of bed. You know, I did my mom was staying with me and I tried to walk every day with her around my apartment complex, but I could barely get from sort of like part that I live in the other end where the the mail was. I couldn't even make it there and instead of getting better over the next you know, it was two weeks and all so it's getting better. I was getting worse and I was getting nauseous off of water. I would have to get up four times a night to take a shower because I was in so much pain that I couldn't sleep. And the only thing that would help ease my pain at all was to take a really hot shower. So I have my mom giving me massages back here constantly to try and bring down the pain and then finally And I still cry sometimes talking about it. We I knew I had an infection because one of the incisions raised my stomach finally. Thank God because that was the Deciding factor, you know that I knew that I had an infection and so I was up all night one night. I could not sleep at all no matter how much I tried and finally in the morning. I said to my mom that you know, I need to go to there's a clinic right down the street from me. I said we'll go in there and get some antibiotics, you know, and I'll start feeling better and I just didn't want to take antibiotics, but I knew I had to so we went in there. And luckily the doctor saw me because first he didn't want to he wanted me to go to urgent care, but he saw me and he basically took one look at me and tell that I was septic. So I what that means what that meant for me was that my abdomen was actually full of stool and bacteria and fluids and everything and your body, you know tries to fight that and then it gets to the point where it just it can't really fight anymore. And so sepsis sets in and luckily he could tell that that was happening for me. So he sent me directly to the ER and over time. We found out that I had three burns from the original surgery and both my colon and in my small intestine, so all of that is to say that surgery is necessary. Never an easy choice, right? I think it's put out to us. And I think that I mean, I know I thought it was going in because they're like, oh, yeah, it's going to get rid of this thing really easily with these tiny little cuts and you'll be back to yourself in two weeks. And we forget that there are complications that happen often the surgery, you know, what happened to me was extreme for sure, but women do actually get nicked in their intestines during gynecological surgeries a lot more than is being talked about and so my mission in you know post Healing from all of that. First of all was Hannah. I'm one freaking massive fibroid like that again and have to make a decision around surgery because obviously I'm not gonna go the surgical route and I don't want to deal with the pain that I'm going to the fibroids can cause but also, you know that it's just it's not that it's not that simple like there is a reason for these fibroids and not just this like, well, it just happens as women age. And the reality is 80% of women. Well end up having a fibroid by this time that they're 50, and that is sometimes quoted as 90% of black women. That's crazy. It's a crazy amount of women that have fibroids it were just you know, there are hands up in the air mail and out. Well, it's just what it is and it's some women will never know that they have it because it doesn't grow large enough, you know to cause any issues or depends on where it grows to that's actually it's almost more where it goes. Sometimes rather than sighs. There's different kinds of fibroids that I'll talk about in a later presentation. But anyways, there's a reason for it and there's something that we can do to fight them off. There's something that we can do to in some cases shrink them. There's definitely a lot we can do to take away the pain that they cause even if we can't treat them and I've learned so much about this over this past year. And so I'm here to talk to you about some of the basics of that today and the thing about it is and To be looking at my notes at different points. Just FYI my mature cover all the good stuff like about it is it's not just vibrates its ovarian cysts, which are Super common and again, dr. Feel like well, they're not, you know, usually as as that of an issue because the body often reabsorbs sis. They just, you know can come with ovulation. Sometimes it takes longer to absorb. Sometimes though. They burst and that is not a fun situation for women. I've been with a couple of friends and clients when that has happened and that is not anything anybody wants to experience and you know other things that started to happen to like the breast tenderness the sleeplessness the anxiety that creates up there's so many different things that women start to experience, you know, beyond the kind of traditional. MS symptoms of mood swings and cramping and that kind of thing and you know, a lot of this starts to happen is when and head towards perimenopause and perimenopause as you learned you know with dr. Garrett is that is this time? It's like I don't know. It's not really specific and it's something that hasn't really been talked about much we've talked about menopause but really the shit happens in perimenopause and it can start hitting women as early as admit. Mid-30s and the reality is there's nothing that are having the symptoms of perimenopause even earlier. So today I want to talk to you about the why but the same called estrogen dominance, which is what connects all these things why this is happening and then what you can do about it, and I actually want to show you my recent - Tess. I just got it a couple weeks ago and show you about how you can really figure out What's going on in your body hormonal e so that you can figure out what to do and there's a lot of options at our disposal in order to really deal with this stuff and our doctors aren't telling us that there's some that are but anyways, I won't go off on a tangent. So we've talked a little bit about what you know perimenopause can start to look like and these other times Sprite that you sharing happy symptoms and a lot of it really has to do. Do it will happen in the second half of your cycle the luteal phase when you know, your progesterone is supposed to be up and your estrogen is supposed to not be quite as high but a lot of times it's going the opposite way and naturally as we age our progesterone starts lowering. It's just part of the fun. I'm heading in perimenopause. So you have that, you know situation going on but why is our estrogen getting higher like why is this such an issue? So it's hard to know where to start but I'm gonna start with xenoestrogens because those heart impacting us so incredibly much and we don't really like think about it. A lot of times. It's the chemicals that are you know in our hair care products in makeup we put on our face in our lotions, you know in our I mean everything like everything that we use on our bodies pretty much if you go with any kind of normal product like that it's going to of chemicals in it that are xenoestrogens. It's in the products that we use to clean our homes. It is in our our food. It is in the plastic that holds our food, you know that we buy like and I love my charges stuff but like laws of a comes with plastic it, you know, it's in the bags that we carry our stuff out of the grocery store. I mean, it's all over the place and what is xenoestrogen is is it's a it's a Gold that acts like an estrogen our body it attaches to estrogen receptors in our body so that just right there can cause your estrogen levels good to go up because you have your regular estrogen, you know, you have what's going on with your food and you have these like extra estrogen is that are coming in on the thing about estrogen is your body has to detoxify estrogen extra s excess estrogen and that's something that's kind of long complicated. I'm not going to go into right now, but just know that your liver has to do that thing is It gets moved to the back of the line when your livers like all right, I got alcohol coming at me. I got caffeine coming out me I got you know all those like I've got over the counter medications prescription medications all of these things that most of us, you know on a daily basis are having go in our bodies. Your livers got to deal with that first, right? So your estrogen goes push back to the back of the line. And sometimes your liver doesn't have enough to get to that right? And so then your estrogen has a chance to recirculate so we know that Liver Health is really important when it comes to detoxing estrogen getting extra Journal your body cutting down on the chemicals that are in your environment. And I know it's hard. I mean our water was can't drink tap water. There's All kinds of heavy metals and xenoestrogen they're taking showers taking baths in this water. I mean, we're getting it all over the place, right? So you got yours, you know estrogens. You've got your liver Health there. Are you got your gut health and really this is the place you want to start I'm saying at third but it's the place you start because majority of us have some shit going on with our but it's just the reality if you have gas and bloating you shake going on with your gut. I hate to tell you it's not it's common but it's not normal. And so the thing is if you are not suggesting things properly and your your Bowels are in a state of dysbiosis right particular your colon. Let's talk about your phone. But also your small intestine plays a big role in this too. And if you have something like CBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth that's going to cause issues but think about your colon. So there's an enzyme called beta glucose glucose on today's I was having trouble saying that beta glucuronidase and it actually is really important. In terms of getting that estrogen out of your body. So you have to have just the right amount of beta glucuronidase in order to have things work properly. Right? If it's too high it unfortunately will undo what your liver did to detoxify that estrogen and it's kind of complicated conjugation happens, whatever it becomes unconjugated and near the astronaut has a chance to go back into your body. And recycling your system and there you go again having your high estrogen happening. So it's really important to get that gut and gear and why you know there it's really a top-down thing and I'll give you some hints at the end of this of what you can do to help out in a good places to start in terms of app. So we talked about is, you know estrogens with talk about liver issues and we've talked about gut health and you know, Nicole mentioned that this earlier this week how important it is to start with. With your gut before you work on your hormones because everything in your gut is going to affect your hormones. If your gut isn't working, right you're not absorbing nutrients properly and that hormones need particular nutrients your liver needs particular nutrients in order to work properly. So you get out of start with the gut. So let me check out my notes Here make sure I'm covering everything other things birth control which birth control pills and other forms of birth control hormonal birth control. It's going to effect it affects our strobe loan, which is the the the part going back to the beta glucose weaker on today's I'm gonna really be able to say that word. But I wanted a that is is the part of your microbiome that detoxes your estrogen. And so when you take birth control pills, it impacts your of struggling we know that there's studies that show that so You got your birth control, you've got, you know other medications that definitely can impact your estrogen levels again, also hurting your you know, it can be really tough on your liver and your liver is dealing with detoxing those first. So take all that take the Aging that happens where a progesterone levels just start naturally, you know going down and then you have this crazy wonderful thing. Not really. Thanks, this crazy thing called estrogen dominance and there's some people that don't want to call it that these days but we're just going to stick with that for for ease of sake you can have normal estrogen and have to low progesterone and that's still considered estrogen dominance. So it's not a exactly just like, oh, you're a student's High there's different things that can constitute estrogen dominance for the sake of ease today. We're just going to stick with that term so I wanted to share with you just really quickly as much as possible this test that I did which we've talked about a lot this week called The Dutch and you're going to see why it is kind of like the crème de la crème of hormone testing. So I'm going to start by sharing my screen. This is so exciting the first time I've done this, let's see if that works. You can't share. Yes, it worked I believe okay, so we are going to move things around so that I can show you everything. Okay. So this is a Dutch test. Let's not show all the information but you can see that it's mine and what it does at the top is show you right here is your estradiol and here is your progesterone and here's your testosterone. So your estradiol is Were most used estrogen when you are premenopause. So in your meant, you know, menstruating years estradiol is the main estrogen that you're using so you can see on my test here right off the bat. I have highest row because see how that little thing is read that little pointer right there. And we really want the outcome to be in between these two stars. Okay, you can see that green line. So here my progesterone the green arrows inside these two stars doing pretty good actually progesterone, which was a surprise to me. I'll be honest with you and then my testosterone is also in between the two stars here with a green arrow pointing. That's just about yeah halfway, so That's doing pretty well. Here. It goes into DHEA production, which we're not going to talk about today, but is also really important and then we're talking about course all here and you can see my 24 hour free cortisol is on the higher end. It's not out of control yet, but it's on the higher end versus my metabolize cortisol is pretty, you know, pretty much towards the middle here and I'll tell you a little bit more about for yourself here in a minute, but I want to focus more on the estrogen progesterone. So the thing that's really cool and really important about the Dutch test and one of the main reasons. I wanted to take it versus like a blood test which will not give you this information is that it's showing you the breakdown. So this is your Phase 1 liver detox. Remember I was just talking about how important liver detox has. So your liver technically has two phases of detox. As you'll hear about phase 3 detox and that is what takes place in your gut and your column over check not earlier with the struggle own. So this test isn't going to show you that but we've got our three estrogens here Astro Astro Industrial in as I mentioned before the estradiol is I'm high end. The other ones are within range - trills a little on the lower side, but you'll see here that s trone. What it does is this is showing you the pathways that it's metabolized down. Right and what you really really want is for it estrogen to be going down this protective 200h pathway. You don't want it going down so much this 4o H pathway, right? Because this is the more cancerous it's connected and more to Is just kind of a basic way saying and then you've got your 1608 over here, which is considered the more proliferative pathway and proliferative can be good or bad it can you know estrogen is very important for bone growth so that can be good in that sense, but it's not very fun for fibroids and cysts and everything. And so so that pathway you want to keep relatively low. So if you look at my numbers, you can see my 200h is low. The arrow here is underneath that gold star and I met three point six six and then unfortunately my 408 is on the higher end. It's not quite out of range, but it's heading in that direction. My 1608 is not bad at 10.0 to probably come down a little bit and that would be great. I was surprised my 1608 was not higher because of, you know, the previous fibroid and cysts growth. So now I know from this test that I'm going down this 408 pathway, which I do not want to be going down. I want to be going down the storage pathway having as much go down as necessary. And so there are specific supplements. I'm not going to get into today but to make that happen and the thing is you don't want to take the supplements. If you don't know this information, right you want to know which pathway the estrogen is going down. So that's our Phase 1 and then it goes over here to phase 2 this comp is all about the space to liver detox. And so you can see that my phase two the two methoxy. It's not too bad. I could bring it up a little bit. It would be nice to bring it up, you know that halfway and so my face to liver detox is not doing badly, but it can do better. My methylation activity is high though, which we I think that when this to H goes up that that will come down. So if my own methylation was low that would mean that I was a slow metabolizer and so I would mean my face to detox was sluggish so that ends up happening for a lot of people and that's also useful useful information on specific supplementation that you can do to upregulate. That face to detox so up here. We've got the progesterone and the metabolites. This is also a time. I am not going to talk about today, but it is important to see that I'm going more down this five a pathway and then the da Chia it DHEA s is on the lower end of the spectrum, but my testosterone is normal and this indicates a little bit of inflammation that's going on in my So that's really important for me to know too. Other things are important here. We're not going to tap into those today too, because this would be a forever interview with myself and we don't want to happen the other really important thing that I just want to point here that I love about this test and we talked a little bit about some of the interviews this week how important cortisol is when it comes to sex hormones. Like if your cortisol is out of control, then you're going to probably have an estrogen dominant situation and lo and behold if you Over to the right hand side here my afternoon free cortisol. And that's what your body you know uses is high and it's even on the higher end and my cortisone which is stored over here, but it's definitely High over here in my free course all and that is very fascinating to me because I would have thought that I had low course all because that is when I am the most tired during the day and so you can see this symptoms can happen. And on either extreme it can be actually the same symptoms whether your local reseller High cortisol. It can also be same symptoms if you're low estrogen or high attrition and times 2, so that's why this test is so so important and now I have a specific plan of action. I'm going to stop the share in order to help balance out my hormones even more, you know, I've been working hard on it for sure. But I yeah, I needed to know what What my estrogen was doing and that is something that I think everybody that has any kind of fibroid growth ovarian cysts growth a lot of those symptoms of breast tenderness anxiety sleeplessness all those things. It's really important to know what's going on with your hormones so that you can make those ships and you don't necessarily need to choose surgery right off the bat. If you have some of these these things happening that That can come from extraction So Okay. So we've covered some Basics. I know that was super fast the Dutch test and it's much more in depth when I work with clients one-on-one we go much more in depth into that and then there's also other opportunities for going more in-depth, but I want to actually get to what you can do, right because that's what everybody wants to know like, well, I guess it's looking at Duke well Is the magic question and there's never a simple answer because it really does depend on what's going on in your body. You know, that's what has testing is so important but a gut go back to your gut. I mean no matter what I always start with that with clients because if your hormones are off your gut is off and you know, one of the most common things is hypochlorite idea, which is low stomach acid or low HCL and I'm a program that I'm in right now. It was quoted as 90% of us have hypochlorite idea. And as we age we just naturally produce less hydrochloric acid HCL. And so the thing about that is if you don't produce that then it kind of breaks down the whole system. So hydrofluoric acid is released in your stomach and in order for the food to move into your small intestine your HDL a It needs to be at a certain level to be able to break that food down. It's just in its signal to open up to go into your small intestine. And so I won't go into all of the things around that you know that it impacts in terms of acid reflux and all these kinds of things. That's that's for another day. But just know that hydrochloric acid is really important. Most of us are low on it. You can test yourself with getting some hydrochloric acid and you know, Do small amounts and see where you what place you get to before it starts burning. It's a great thing to try and it's really an inexpensive way to start starving your entire digestive system. If you have gas as I mentioned earlier, if you have bloating if you have sluggish bowels, one of the first places that you want to look at is hydrochloric acid also huge fan of digestive enzymes tragically. Acid isn't working. Well, then your body's not triggered in order to release all the enzymes that needs to break the food down so often it goes hand-in-hand and if you supplement with one on a supplement what the other for a little while try those out see if that happened, you know helps you out what's going to happen is you're going to start digesting this food better and you're a kinder to your stomach, but be you're also going to allow the gut lining to start healing because everyone has some level of leaky gut if you have food intolerances, if you have environmental allergies, you have leaky gut hate break it to you. That means that things are getting through your gut and your blood and it's your body's creating an immune response to that because that's not supposed to be there. Right? And so you want to start to be able to heal that leaky gut and there's things like L-glutamine that can help that But if you have to be bringing your food down first give those particles as small as possible so that it can't keep going through and you also want to stay away from foods, but you have an intolerance to because it's just going to keep perpetuating that leaky gut. Okay. So those are good places to start with your gut second actually one more thing on your job really important going back to the beta glucuronidase and look I said it right that time you really really I want to be taking a quality probiotic, but I really recommend to people before they do that find out what is going on your gut a lot of us have some fungal issues, you know candida or some errant bacteria that's not supposed to be there or parasites most of us have something like that happening and a test. Like the GI math is really the it's the latest and greatest in terms of stool analysis and it's going to Tell you these things you have and so important in order to know. Yeah, get rid of those things because they are sucking you dry. And they are not helping your digestion at all. Once you figure that out. Take some good quality probiotics and research is telling us this Spore based probiotics are actually the best in most situations because they help to reenact you later: so, I've been a big proponent of that for myself since my surgery is because I lost 40% of my : and my small intestine was re stapled to my colon. And so I ate and use that: that was there for about six months and then be just you know that trauma it really throws off your microbiome. So I'm a big fan of this. So that's your gut second. You got to work on stress. So we talked about cortisol. I showed you how my course all looked in the Dutch. The reason that we even look at cortisol is because impacts the sex hormones so so much. On so many different levels. And so if you don't bring down stress in your life, like not another restless gonna matter you do they go supplements in the world. You can you know, eat the perfect diet quote-unquote perfect diet and it's still not going to change things. You really have to I mean lifestyle is hugely impactful to our hormones and you have got to be able to regulate your adrenals and regulate your cortisol output. There's no way around it ladies. And so, you know, it can be anything from yoga. Meditation Maps make sure you get to bed earlier than you are we cut down on your computer time and your phone time your TV time and I know it's hard because you want to just like check out after your hard day, but it really is throwing everything off melatonin production all of that and that's part of the hormonal Cascade. It's really important. So stress adaptogenic herbs are pretty Necessary for a lot of my clients. So I do recommend those or something like cortisol manager one thing that you know, I often start clients off on to just see if it will help regulate the hormones after all these other things. I've just said so don't think this one thing is gonna do it for you is Vitex or chasteberry. And so yeah, it's a it's an herb that actually works on your pituitary gland which is kind of the epicenter of your sex hormones. And so It can sometimes pretty miraculously help within a couple months but not all the time and it doesn't work for everybody. So but that's something that you can try and that doesn't work. You know, it's on to the Dutch testing as what I really really recommend so I know we've gone over a lot in a little bit of time and you know, it's hard to keep all this kind of stuff straight. Right? And the reality is when you work with someone. I will this all goes so much faster when you work with somebody that knows what they're doing and they can really look at your symptoms. Look at your testing and say okay. This is what we got to do and the other aspect, you know of this is like how this is pick changes, right? It's huge changes, and I know I've been through a lot of that myself and when I'm with a group of people going through changes and having that support, it's completely different than when I tried Do it on my own and so how do you get both? You know the the expert that can help you in determining what's going on and having a plan of action and then also have the support of other people going through that. Well, that is a big question and I'm going to wait for just a couple minutes and I've got a little bit of an announcement for you. So stay tuned and the big announcement is I've got a brand new program for you. So excited about this I even got dressed up because it really is so important to me and so worth it to me. This program is a culmination of the last 2 years of my life everything that I've learned through personal experience everything that I've learned being in multiple groups of women who are facing similar issues all of the professional experience that I've gained and all the programs that I've taken in order to help you. Get your hormones, right? So there was nothing else I could call it other than get your hormones, right? Because that's really what we're shooting for here. So I'll talk a lot about fibroids and because that's what happened to me. But really whether it's fibroids or it's a very insists amenorrhea, you know, really bad PMS symptoms headed into perimenopause or already and perimenopause. They all have a similar underlying connection and that Estrogen dominance as you just learned in this last session with me and so I really, you know, there's some basic things that I was able to tell you in the video, but there's a lot more that goes into getting your hormones. Right and I want women. I want you to be able to go out into the world and do the things you want to do because you feel good because your body is, you know, working working alongside your mind and your soul everything is working together. Other so that you can live the life that you want to be living and if our hormones are dragging us down making it so we don't have enough energy Manion so that were bleeding all the time. We have these growths then we can't do what were meant to do in this life. And that's just it's not fair on so many levels and I know that there is better. I have learned it through my own experience. I've seen it happen with other women it so I am here to offer this program to help you get to that place if you're not there yet. So the program is 12 weeks I thought long and hard about how long I should make this program. But three months is really the minimum that you want to make changes and see real change happening. It is the trimester, you know of building this new body. And so during that time you're really creating a completely different system. You're really healing your gut your healing your stress hormones in your healing your sex hormones and we will dive into all of that over the 12 weeks. So healing your hormones really is not just a physical thing, right? It's an emotional thing and it's an energetic thing. We have emotional bodies. We have energetic bodies. And so this program looks at all three of those things. So yeah, we'll be talking dietary changes. Of course that is definitely a huge part of that. We telling supplementation with different herbs and nutrients that are Ceri and what's great, and this program is you'll get specific protocols based on symptoms that you're having will be talking about, you know things that you need to do to detox your body and we're not talking juice cleanses and we're not talking and if some crazy liver cleanse its daily things that you can do that are actually really simple and really wonderful self-care that helps your art. Your systems are already, you know working their best to detoxify you on a daily basis. We're just supporting that so that it can do an even better. Our job, but we're also going to talk about the emotional component because there's a huge emotional component to estrogen dominance to fibroids to cysts to all of these issues to our cycle thing off and I really think of it as a way that our body is trying to tell us it's knocking gently saying. Hey, there's some changes that you need to make there's some things that you need to dive into here and really heal for real in order to shift. What Happening in your body. And so we'll definitely you know, dip deep into the emotional components and then we're also going to talk about your energy body. So this is something probably a lot of you know about it this point, but it's still not as focused on but it's just as important as your physical and emotional bodies. So we have an energy system that is you know, impacting us every day in every way just like our physical being and our emotional being and we have to work on supporting that just as much as we do this other two, so you're going to Learn about what your energy systems are all about. And then you're going to learn how to help support them how clear out old energy patterns help bring in new ones the of things that you want to see in your health and in your life. So it's a very comprehensive program and on top of that I offer optional testing. So this is something that can be super helpful. One of the first things that we're going to talk about is figuring out your food intolerances and As the tracking your diet, but if you want to get real specific real fast something like the GI map is going to tell you. Parasites bacteria, all of the things that I mentioned earlier in this video of what's going on your gut and then you can know how to deal with it specifically there's protocols. So that is a great test also the MRT food intolerance just test because that's going to tell you you may not realize that you're having inflammatory reactions to certain foods in this test is going to tell you that so you have the option and that's an additional cost but that's option to do either of those tests so that you can really hop in and do That healing on that gut and then also I am going to encourage you to do a desk test. You can see by now that I'm a big fan of this and it can really change the course of your hormonal life. So I'm really going to encourage you to do that and you have the option of having, you know, having me read that for that's also an additional cost but you can also work with other women that are in the group to figure out some of that stuff and I will do and I will dive more into how to read that dust. Test so the other great thing is we're going to have a bunch of experts on top. So I don't know everything and I'm constantly learning from other people. And so I think it's really important to bring hormone experts like I did this whole week to you so that you can ask the questions of what's going on because you know, there's so many different aspects of it of your hormones that you know that having the feedback from people that focus on different areas, its Super methyl I know it's changed my life in this past studies that I've done this year. So definitely going to be part of the program every other week. We'll have a hormonal expert and then the weeks in between will have a Q&A with me so you can ask me what you know, what is happening with different scenarios and what situations and what's working. What's not working? All those kinds of things and we'll also have group support 24 hours a day through a Facebook group, and I highly encourage me. There's so much learning. You know Kitty has the group The estrogen dominance for group and I can't tell you how much I've learned from that because women put on their hey, this is what's going on with me. What should I do? You know, this is not feeling right or this is feeling amazing and you can learn so much from that and really make some massive changes. So that will be a big component of the program to also be giving out some special prizes along the way as I challenge you to take on some of the new things are going to help shift new types of Ways of taking care of your body always taking care of your mind and ways of taking care of your energy and spirit. So that's just a quick overview. There's so much more that's involved. But I'm going to point you towards taking clicking over here and reading through and the thing about it is that I've been so appreciative of you being with me this week on my first ones on that. It's just been an amazing experience. Variants and you're the first ones that know about this program because I was like, I have to share it with you guys first and to me you being along on this ride has meant so much and that I am ready to basically get you involved in this 12 week program. So normally the cost of this program is going to be 1299 because it's a very comprehensive program and you know brings in so many different experts and so much information that you know, You can really use this program for the rest of your life. You can come back to it again and again and you always have access to it. $12.99 is going to be the cost. But because you've been with me this week and have connected with me and connected with a hormone experts. I am offering it to you and only you for $299 for the entire program for the entire 12 weeks. So think about that price is not going to last. Long so 299 because as a thousand dollars off the original price, it's only going to be for one week. So you have one week to decide do I want my life to be completely different 2020. Do I want to start the decade off with getting my hormones in check get my hormones right? I know you do. I know that you want to burst into this next decade and feel incredible and amazing and you You that and this program can help with that. So one week you think about it or you can just dive in right now because you know, you want to be a part of it and that's going to be an amazing experience either way. It's available to you and I cannot wait to get to know you better. I love connecting with everyone that's contacted me this week, and I'm so so excited about this program. I may even dress up every time we meet who knows. But anyways, I'm going to let you go. Enjoy your weekend and really Late, this is going to work for you. This is the move that you need to make to have your life. Be what you've been wanting it to be for a long time now. All right, I'm here. If you have any questions email me. There's any link on the web page to you know, click in an email me, so please feel free to do that, and I will see you very soon. Thanks so much. Bye.

In the final interview of the 2019 Hormone Summit, you'll hear from someone close to my heart... ...Me :) I tell you all about the "why* I created this Summit, and the tragedy that led to my obsession with all things hormones. I explain estrogen dominance, and how to deal with possible effect including fibroids, cysts, extreme PMS symptoms, and more. I share with you my most recent DUTCH test so you can see what it looks like and why it is so helpful in figuring out what's happening for YOU. I also announce something very special at the end (I even got dressed up for it! ), so make sure to listen all the way through! She weaves together her personal health journey – including a fibroid surgery that went terribly wrong – with her training in holistic health, nutrition, and hormones to help women heal their gut and achieve hormonal balance. She sees clients all over the world via Zoom, and she offers self-guided healing programs at her website. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Good for Scorpio season from embodied astrology. And as I mentioned in the introduction, please listen to it in that episode. I give you kind of Deep dive into Scorpio as an energy and a quality that we all contain where Scorpio lives in your body how it manifest through your awareness to your relationships through your emotions Etc. Now Scorpio for you rules What's called the solar second house and this is a really important place. In the chart as it describes all that sustains you what sustains you includes resources and money of course, but there's a lot more to life that's going to sustain you and bring value to your life and something about that is described here. So we have information about your values and your priorities as well as your sense of self-worth and how you are receptive or not to what it is that you Most deeply desire and need in order to sustain your essence your identity what it is that you are here to do and Express in the world over the course of the next month. As I said the sun will bringing be bringing additional emphasis and awareness to this part of your chart and we'll have a couple of notable events that will be bringing a lot of energy into this domain as well on October 27th. We have a new moon in Scorpio. EO the new moon is when our two great luminaries the Sun and the Moon come together and occupy the same space in the sky. This is a time when the intensity of a sign is emphasized and our subjective experience of that science qualities is deepened. This is also a time that symbolizes the ending of one cycle and the beginning of a new cycle the cycle that's ending is the cycle that began. Of months ago at last year's new moon in Scorpio and the cycle that's beginning as the cycle that will extend for the next 12 months until 2020 is New Moon in Scorpio. So as one phase ends and one phase begins consider, what is it that you most value right now? What sustains you in your current Endeavors in your work in your passion and really in your our deepest sense of self and the ways that you are trying to Define yourself most basically, we all need resources to survive and these resources, of course include food shelter access to education Comfort etcetera and for the time being living in a world that values the dollar bill money is a really big resource that all of us need so consider what is your relationship? To money. What do you feel about it? What do you think about it? What are you working with in your relationship to money right? Now? This new moon is bringing a lot of change energy with it. And you may notice that your values and your priorities are shifting right now or there may be shifting circumstances that are affecting your values your priorities or your resources. Again, this part of your chart has a lot to do with your self-worth and your bility to receive or to call in what it is that you want and need and so as you set your intentions for this new moon and this upcoming 12 month cycle consider these themes as well on October 31st, Mercury will turn retrograde at 27 degrees of Scorpio and it will retrograde all the way back to 11 Scorpio where it turns Direct on November 20th, this three-week span of time when Mercury is retrograde is a period of Time when we have the symbol of mercury and in astrology Mercury represents our minds our cognitive processes and Communications in general traveling backward through a very deep emotional intense experience as Associated to the sign Scorpio. So when Mercury is retrograde this October and November, this is a time when you may be reflecting very deeply lie on these themes of wealth resource values and self-esteem when Mercury is retrograde, it's not a time to initiate New Beginnings or new projects. It is a great time to research to refine to renegotiate and to reconsider all the re prefix words are especially advised during a Mercury retrograde the days of and around Mercury station direct or retrograde. Tend to be the days when things get the weirdest and wonky assist and so when you think about Mercury retrograde and all the things that people say about it, like communication breakdowns and Technology failures and other kinds of mishaps be especially aware that these kinds of events may occur close to October 31st. So kind of between the 28th of October and the second of November. This would be a period of time to be kind of a Extra careful, especially because this part of your chart does pertain to resources and money. I would advise that you definitely be mindful about any big purchases that you're making there may be things that kind of go on with your exchanges or your expenses. So you want to kind of keep track of what you're spending when I've had Mercury retrograde in the second house. Sometimes I've had weird charges come up on my credit card or Pain like that, so don't get worried about it, but do just try and keep your mind open and aware to what's going on around you. Try not to get fussed if things go wrong and give yourself and everybody else some leniency and some room for making mistakes on November 1st. Venus will move into the sign Sagittarius where it will Transit until November 26th Sagittarius for Are you rules your solar third house? This is the place in the chart that pertains specifically to your mind and to your Communications. The third house is very related to Mercury, by the way, if that sounds familiar Venus brings a warm generous loving beautiful influence, wherever it travels and this period of time is especially good for communications for you. It might be a really lovely time to be a little bit more social to Gatherings with friends to reconnect with siblings. This is a time that you might really enjoy writing and reading or it might be good for open-ended conversations and having big questions about things now because this period of time does fall within Mercury's retrograde and I did just say this is a great period of time for communications. I do want to just add the caveat that you do want to be particularly mindful with your Communications. And notice what you're putting out there try not to put out rushed or thoughtless Communications. This is a great time to be expressing yourself, beautifully to be expressing yourself poetically to be expressing yourself with friends. This is not such a wonderful time to be putting out really important Communications that a lot is hinging on but it could be a good time to prepare those Communications to start to research them if you have the luxury to wait for a couple Weeks until Mercury turns direct this is a really good time to start to prepare things to build them up on November 11th. The Sun and Mercury will come together for What's called the inferior conjunction and this is an important moment in Mercury's retrograde cycle the symbolic meeting of mercury and the sun bring together Mercury a symbol again of the mind with the Sun a symbol of Greater conscious awareness during this day. day and the days immediately before and after you probably want to keep a notebook around or just kind of piqued your awareness a little bit because there may be some important memories that surface or you might have ideas pop up that are important later as you consider Mercury retrogrades kind of Greater influence and the span of time now the next day on November 12th will have a full moon in Taurus Taurus is Scorpios opposite sign and the full moon always illuminates the polarity between signs and between whatever houses they happen to fall in tourist for you rules. What's called the solar Eighth House. This is the part of your chart that has to do with other people's money and resources where you come in to exchange and entanglement around values or self-esteem. Team or actual sharing of resources with other people in this place in the chart. We find a lot about your kind of deeper insecurities your vulnerabilities your intimacy's and as I said before your entanglements, so this full moon might for you illuminate some deeper themes that are present within your own relationship to Worth to wealth and to value and how you want to be engaging with others around these themes. A lot of emphasis for you right now to release or free yourself from insecurities and entanglements and some of this might kind of assist you in becoming more transparent or letting go of attachments particularly if they are rooted in dependency or insecurity this full moon comes with a fair amount of support with it. There's a lot of support for you to incur In a sense of steadiness, there may be support from family or at home in a larger way. As I said the sense of steadiness or inner stability can help you free yourself from entanglements that are no longer useful or that are unhealthy on November 18th, Mars will enter Scorpio and will Transit the sign until January 3rd, wherever Mars is it's bringing additional energy excitement passion and Rise Mars is one of the planetary rulers of Scorpio. So it functions really well in the sign this period of time is great for you for making money for pursuing your values and definitely for working on these themes of self-esteem and self-worth now Mars can also bring a conflictual or abrasive tendency with it. It's a planet that can help us to separate and also to front as Mars transits your second house notice if there are any arguments or more violent tendencies that come up for you again around self-esteem values or value systems resources wealth and issues of sustenance in general because Mars begins its Transit of your second house and of Scorpio during Mercury's retrograde, this is definitely a time to again, Just stay mindful of your impulses and especially because Mars is entering Scorpio just a few days before Mercury turns direct which will be on the 20th. Keep in mind. Once again that pretty much from the 18th till the 22nd were in a window of time when things can definitely go haywire and get weird. So really watch yourself with Tendencies to spend to overspend to get into arguments about money. Any or to kind of enter into spaces where you're not necessarily feeling balanced or centered in regards to your self-esteem or your resources on November 22nd, the sun will enter the sign Sagittarius and Sagittarius season will begin I'll be back with you then with your month ahead horoscopes. If you'd like to learn more about this upcoming months astrology, please become a subscriber you can subscribe by. Action at any amount per month and in trade for your subscription, you'll have access to my extended monthly forecasts these forecasts include an audio recording and a downloadable PDF calendar and you'll get information about all of the major planetary aspects and lunar cycles that occur throughout the month as well as suggestions for how to work with them. I hope that this horoscope is interesting and has been helpful for you. I'm wishing you all the best in Scorpio season. Beyond

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Welcome to The Pantry party a podcast celebrating Innovation food and life in the health and well-being. We're your hosts Liza and bran and today. We are talking to Tess hand ring us. If you heard that cute little noise when Brown was talking about hours a cat Cow from well nothing stuff is going on.Um test is one of another one of our good mates from uni, we wouldn't have met until second second year. She had as you'll find out in the episode a little bit of a different Pathway to get to where we were but I got to know where because fun fact we were on the Monash nutrition and dietetics Society committee together test was Treasurer and I was secretary signature spent a lot of time together, which was probably I got to know where the most to be.And I'm going to be super honest and say oh it's a really good way to meet other people like Al course that I hadn't really been friends with before I guess in the best possible way, like nutrition degrees are always super small and cliquey and not clicking in the sense that like everyone hate each other just that everyone has their friends and it's really hard to kind of get out of that because you have a lot of group projects that you're doing and like everyone kind of ends up working together in the same groups. Yeah. Oh and also the president this is another fun fact, but it is Roxanne who was episode two of us. This is how there we go. Yeah and cool. So yes, that's how we know tears. She introduces herself really well talks about balancing motherhood and her Korea and doing multiple things in her career and trying to figure out how to balance all of that and how she's gone about that and I recently said this episode again and was I really enjoyed listening to it. I think I just this is gonna sound real life. But just out of like the three of us were just catching up without work things. Yes, very cute. Yeah, Texas like just in general. So wholesome and I families so cute and I guess when I the first real leg, I guess not contacts I have that sounds weird. But like the first real like direct interaction and like working together thing that we did together. Other tests and I was a moron placement in third year doing a food service placement. I was quite big a group like a big group of us. So it wasn't like it was just the two of us working on this thing. But like she was pregnant with Emilio at the time which is hilarious because now she's pregnant. Yeah, like she will be giving birth soon when this episode goes up. This also might have already given birth. Yeah, we're trying to get out dates. Wait wait, we're recording this a few weeks in the past to you. So congrats test already given birth. It's not waiting. Yeah. Yeah, but I think that's a cute little like yes Circle moment. And yeah test is just gorgeous in general. So I'm really glad that we got to include her in this group and have a nice chat. I think she's show like the realities. Yeah studying and I In the best possible way being a bit older and being a different stage in your life to a lot of other people in the cohort actually in saying that I think our cohort would not necessarily balance for about like a 75 25 percent in terms of people come just out of school or like a nose first you wish years and then a bit like a bit older or like that. Yeah. Yeah or like done a different degree in coming in on done something else. Yeah, so it was nice to sort of I think pick that apart a little bit and see. where her priorities were and that it's okay to shift things along the way and things come up and you have to deal with that and I think sometimes we all have a bit of an idea of how our crew is going to go and you kind of freaked out when it doesn't go to that plan and I think test is a fabulous example of how Tell us great it's all worked out the way it's supposed to even though she had enough she intended for it to go that way but she's taking a little bit of a different pathway and I think it's important for us having not had that experience and to seek out that and talk to people who have gone through that because I mean for every person there is like you and me there be another person like test going through that degree and I think I mean it's just one of those things that we as women have to account for having kids and having a family and balancing all of this together and so on. Think with your partner as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's something that tastes touches on really well and that I'm actually not proud for the right way by very respectful of her. Oh, yeah, the way that she's handled that and maybe not necessarily put her career first at all times, which is a very admirable thing to do. Yeah. Did I say very good balance with it all which I think is really really nice. So, yeah, I think it was it was really good chat, and I'm really glad that we got to have her on the podcast and he Her voice and have her opinions and it's ideas thrown around because I think she's got a very good approach to nutrition as well in terms of like she's not too far over one side yet do it, you know agreed. Yeah, so hopefully you enjoy this episode as much as we do as always all links and everything will be in the show notes down below. If you want to find her find her cute pictures of babies and dogs dog singular who you will hear it start this episode. So without further Ado here is our episode where Tessa and Rita's. Hi. Hello, how are you? So because we know you but our viewers don't look at go through a bit of a Fast Five like get to know your students. So it's going to jump straight into it so that we can get on with it. First question big one for the pantry party is what? Three cannot live without Pantry items. Okay, definitely olive oil go through way too much of it cinnamon and also vanilla. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hmm. Yeah. I see that. What's your favorite? Cause I'm so naughty your favorite olive oil brand. Wow. This is very it's not a bright. Well, there's two Brands. So I'm very lucky that I have family and friends who have their own Olive Groves and make their own olive oil. So, Sandy Creek, Olive oil is amazing. Thank you, Auntie and Brendan and then also it also will and when I make the most Divine olive oil from it was well, so they would be my favorite not a cobra more fully. All right. What is your favorite self-care strategy favorite self-care strategy is doing a little bit of yoga before. Do you do it often because I've tried to get into stretching before bed, but I know but I just want to sleep. I want to sleep and then also I'll have a dog outside scratching at the door wanting to come in which really takes away from my zen. Not a joke. Annoyed that I'm on the floor and he's not on like literally next to me. So yeah, okay question number three if you're going to a dinner party or something, what's your go-to dish to bring? Okay, I'll always bring a dessert because that is my forte. Currently. I will talk about the dish that I've made today and it's an apple Sicilian Apple taught. Oh, or it'll be Nigella Lawson's flourless. Chocolate olive oil cake. Yeah. Yeah in the theme of The Pantry party. What was your most memorable birthday party party event wedding, but you've been to my own wedding would have to be a little I'm really really proud of you waiting. I am it was it was it was beautiful. It was 4 years ago. Yes. It's my favorite by far my favorite party or event that we threw my father just expensive one. I'm too but it was nice and integrated both of our Lives into into the day. We even had like the bombonera was we had fruit and veggies along the table is like a table decorations and little jars of her boobs are like the name tags on it. So people got to take those arms as well. So definitely always something food-themed in there for both of us. Yeah, nice and question 5 Fast Five is what do you currently into a whole lot of sleeping? But also probably the moment I enjoy the time that I have with Alex. I'm sitting on the couch watching The Black List. No, it's a black this terrible acting terrible. It's about like a Bia agent and a fugitive but we keep watching I think winter season five for Weaver. Is it like consuming like is it a you actually pay attention attention? No, no been planning a trip to France on the side. Okay. Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be a part of this podcast. So my name is Tess. I'm an accredited practicing dietitian. I practices a non-diet dietitian. I work in both the clinical sector also in private practice and I also run my own business on the side as well and alongside that I'm a mum of 1 and 1/2 cups. 50 photos, that's me. We're super excited to have you on because you kind of have a different perspective to us especially and then a lot of people in the area with kind of like aim to try and get quite quite a broad range of people on so I guess for you we wanted to talk about how you balance everything and how that all kind of fits in the effect that that's had on you. So should we jump into it? Yes solutely going to start with the stock standard which is why Why did you choose dietetics? Why hurry up? Yes, they why did I choose those headaches? It's really interesting. I guess it's probably something that isn't really spoken about a lot in the dietetics world, but it's very common that people who study dietetics have had a background of an eating disorder or disordered eating and that they might come into the profession as a way of recovery or a way of helping others. So I guess it's something I've never really spoken about and it's not something I really want to speak too much about But I guess that's kind of the background that I'm coming from and I came in I guess wanting to help others one dietitian that I follow on Instagram also has a similar story to me. I don't know if you follow Lauren Newman at all. Don't beat yourself choose an American institution. Yes, and I guess she makes a really valid point that she also has a history of disordered eating or not eating disorder, but she's not going to share her story. Three because they're eating disorder population is saturated by influences of I guess thin a white privileged women and I guess I would just be adding to that space. So I'm trying to make room for people that don't fit in to that aesthetic so they can come and share their story too because you can sort of the back to everybody when we need to hear more of that. So I guess that's kind of how I got into dietetics and super important to acknowledge that like Well, you're not going to share it does give you a lot of it personal experience to kind of relate to your clients. And absolutely and I guess anyone that does identify in a similar setting to me. I guess your story is still really valid, but I'm just not going to go into that. And yeah, I guess we're more of a professional point of view. What was your sort of background education lie that led you to dietetics because it you would not know mean maybe you're a bit older like I did. But you're writing student. So I didn't I didn't come straight from school. So I guess I initially started off studying I did when I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I guess dietetics was always in my background, but I kind of told myself I didn't want to do it if that kind of made sense. So I wanted a diploma of Health Science and then I started to do a bachelor of Health Science and in amongst that I took some time off and worked full-time in retail and then it kind of waking my senses but know this is what I really want to do. And so I did all the prerequisites in my health science degree because I didn't do Kim at school and then I transferred over to The Bachelor of nutrition and dietetics at Monash where I got some credits for some of my units and that's kind of one from there. So it's taken me 10 years in the process to get my degree, but we're finally there. So I guess it all kind of works out for the best. So you've mentioned your Where your app now with your career, but you want to talk a little bit about why you've chosen to take the path that you have and where you see that going in the future. Absolutely. So I guess one of the great things about dietetics being such I guess a female-dominated profession is that it is really family friendly. So that's something that really was appealing to me. I guess my concern graduating was that most for example grade 1 clinical roles are full-time and that's something that I never wanted to do. Why not that I never wanted to do just it's not right for me at this stage in my career. So I looked at other avenues of how I could create opportunities for myself, I guess and so I was very much at the Forefront that a job isn't going to be handed to me. So I need to make one myself. So that's kind of how joyful nutrition evolved. So that's kind of my business side of things was kind of getting the ball rolling getting nutrition information out there than on diet message out there as well and the Ready to say I guess clients around my family schedule which is really good. And then the same with private practices while I'm there to half days a week, which is really fantastic. So that fits in well, and then I'm just working casually in the clinical sector to so it's kind of making it work making a Juggle working in around my husband shift work as well. But we're getting there. Yeah, I guess it's a good thing about especially being a new grad Phi. Dietetics is that there's so much you can do as in everything's part time. So it's sort of stick your fingers in everything and work out what works for you. Absolutely. So yeah, I guess I never really saw myself going down a private practice role and yet here we are. Yes, and this could not be true if you're at all but especially during my experience. Anyway, was that throughout you anymore like you're not going to get a job. You're not going to get a job and then I guess to that joyful nutrition. Come out of knowing that and trying to use it as an employability aspect. What was it? Totally a hobby? No, it was definitely a job prospect. So I guess pre joyful nutrition. I was the emerging dietitian. So I don't know if he used to read my blog. So that was more throughout uni that was kind of an outlet for me. I just really enjoyed writing and creating recipes and I guess from that it emerged into dry for nutrition. So I still have a Blog section and a recipe. Section, but then it's definitely more excuse me, and a business focus now of this is a way that I can generate an income and I guess that's kind of how it how it stemmed. It was more. I'm going to be proactive in making sure that I'm employable and that I can still help people to that. Um, if there's not work out there for me, I guess that makes sense. Yeah it sort of and we've talked about this before but it's almost at your online presence, especially the dietitian. It's almost a portfolio. Like it's almost a really met. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, it's very interesting to find the people that follow you or the people that come into as well and it's a fine line and I guess I've actually probably recently disengaged a little bit more from social media. Then I previously been quite involved particularly when I was on the job hunt. I think that it was very consuming so but I'm aware that by not being overly active on social media that can also affect my job. It's kind of a double-edged so it doesn't always show that you've got it balanced. Like I feel like if you're not. Totally spending all your time on social media to potential employees and can be like look she's obviously making an effort. To break out into a different field, but also maybe she's doing other things in their life why I absolutely it's not that I'm on it 24/7 I've got other things to do. Yeah, absolutely and I guess it's being also confident in the message that you're betraying as well on social media. I guess it's something that definitely no degrees. We never covered. Oh, so I guess it can be quite scary to put yourself out there as well in a professional and I guess also personal contact. Yeah. Yes. It was like we've this Of what could use very personal. Do you find that you get much feedback about that that challenges your opinions? Not not a whole lot as of yet, but I'm sure it's coming as I get more active in my social media. I have no doubt that that will that will happen and I'm a person who thinks about things a lot. So I guess I need to work on some strategies on how I could disengage and because at the end of the day is still a person. Yeah, exactly. Yeah and like a lot of of us getting to the non-diet approach because it is something that we're really passionate about and personally identify with I like I know from my experience like I've had feedback where people have really been questioning my opinions. I don't know if you were to see my post a couple of weeks ago about body positivity like and like the sum of its really great and people are willing to have conversations about it. But others are just trying to attack you for who you are it ends up being a really personal comment and it's like how do you disengage from that and say no that's actually IT professional or in that context it wasn't really professional opinion. But you know, how can you kind of separate that out too? Yeah, I think that's something that like is obviously with the rise of social media such a New Concept that we're all kind of having to learn together. It's kind of I had a good chat someone who's doing a PhD in Psychology and eating disorders the other day and we came for this concept of would you trust a health? nor who has Like I wouldn't influence your choice to go to a health professional has gone through the same thing as you had and almost have that like do you want to see them totally objectively so they can analyze you clinically and help you out or you almost want to have that emotional like empathy that they've obviously experience with the same as you and does that should there be a line drawn to Baby clinicians that don't have that personal experience because it's way is the way they practice or but I suppose for us. It's so food is such a personal thing. That you can't draw that line when we feel like it's really important, too. Have some sort of personal opinion or a lot of things especially with the non-diet approach. Yeah, and I think like the more involved you are in it the more you can kind of like have an opinion on it because obviously you're experiencing it for yourself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So what sort of Drew you to the non died approach in a I feel like it was a lot of fear in asylums beautiful work. I've met her on a few occasions and I've definitely told her that I'm a fan girl. So it was over that fear. Sorry, I guess again in dietetics course, I think we had one lecture from Fiona if that luckily I've come across her work much earlier in my dietetics career, and it definitely resonated with me on both a personal and professional level. I guess I then struggled throughout the rest of the degree being in such a white Centric Focus even going through some of my like notes and my clinical case studies. Just just the way they're written just actually gives me anxiety. Now and thinking that that's the way I don't even know not many 95% of our cohort might be practicing and I know that they want to be practicing an evidence-based way and that's doing right for their clients. But ultimately they might not be the case which terrifies me a little bit. So I guess it's out with me and just in terms of inclusivity point of view and looking at the person purely as that a person and taking away any Judgment any labels and I just wish that there was more of that integrated into our degree. I did enjoy actually fourth year. We've got to do a few different advocacy pieces where I clearly stated my views on which I was a bit concerned actually how I will be marked upon that but it was actually quite refreshing. So yeah that going a bit more Liberty there, but that's definitely what drew me into it. I've since done Fiona will is non-diet training which have also loved and finishing off. Those assignments and yes slowly learning my way through but it feels quite alone. I guess it's quite a lonely little only way to practice but I guess given where I'm at in my career. I kind of struggled with that a little bit but I'm really grateful that I've got a wonderful Mentor who is very non-diet approach and she's very established in her career. So she has lots of great inside for me which is A wonderful assistants. Yeah. Yes. I think that's the only way to get that message across as well as surrounding yourself with people who are practicing in that way because like you say, it could be so lonely, especially when a lot of friends are practicing clinically and seeing overweight patients in quotation marks and so white Century could that like when you want to practice totally differently to that that is evidence based somewhat emerging it feels really really isolating and almost think you question yourself as well. And I guess when it's so different as well, I guess to what your patients are expecting you to practice. So I guess a really steep learning curve for me is actually having those conversations before the client even steps in the room. So they know exactly how I practice and what the consultation will look like and if that aligns with their values to which is not an easy thing to do, no particularly when it's a source of income as well and you might yeah actually lose quite so yes because you're both not you're about to start. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have some clients is that like deterring takes on our we've had a conversation is about the fact that people expect. Well, I know what I've had conversations with people helping a dietitian that I call so you just help people lose weight. That's like immediately. Let me give me a meal plan. Exactly. Yeah as a business. Does that frighten you have five me? In fact my first client that I saw wanted a meal plan and it was very challenging for me to have the conversation to say that I actually am not going to do that and explain the reasons. Zwei, but I need to get your more comfortable having those conversations. But also, you know more effective manner I think as well without it not place. I don't think I placed blame or anything like that but just communicating it and so it comes more from this out of you and like they come up with the reasons why that that might not be an appropriate and I think because obviously as a concept the non-diet approach is quite publicly unheard of like the general Like he's probably where of it. It's kind of difficult to explain like have to justify the way that you're practicing while you're trying to treat someone, you know, like the you're there to help them. You're not there to justify yourself. I don't know if they can trust that your methods are evidence-based and what's right for them great. But a lot of people do have those kinds of questions and you do have to have that conversation before they can fully trust you as a professional. So I think that's yeah. It's definitely a skill too. To learn obviously, you've gotten through your degree and then your early career with young family. How have you found that like navigating that it's been I feel very grateful for that opportunity. It's been eye-opening to say the least. I guess. I had very specific views on how I would parent and feed my child prior to having my child. I think a lot of potential Barrett's have that. Um idea as well. So I guess my main thing that I there's two main things I guess I wanted to practice what I preached in terms of making sure that I was being kind to my body and not overtly saying anything shouldn't be saying anything negative. Anyway that might Church like translate and Trigger down to my daughter because that would be that heartbreaking to me if she then model that behavior. So that was kind of a big Thing for me and then also just making sure that we had a exclusive no judgment household and no food labels and she can eat what she wants when she wants stop and she's fall doesn't matter what it is, which is being quite challenging. I guess when you know even looking at mums forums and talking about what comes home from like school lunch boxes, and I guess the stigma that's associated with good and bad food. So I guess Does it really good foundations now so that she's able to kind of navigate through that in terms of her nutrition. It's been interesting for me. I guess we did baby LED weaning. So do you know much about I mean you can tell everybody so I guess it's we I was quite strong that I didn't want to go down appear a pathway with her. That's just how I personally felt it's not anything professional. It's just what I thought was going to be best for her. So We did a food first approach and just offered her finger foods and she always just chose what she want to take and how much and whether it was just to explore and play or she actually wanted to have some of the food so that worked really well for us for a little while. But now she's got a bit older. She's a toddler and she's a typical fussy toddler who will eat a variety of food at Childcare that she would never ever touch at home and is very simple in her food preference and we'll only one type of vegetable. So I guess at the end of the day is made me realize that we're all human and being a dietitian does not change that whatsoever and she has an innate preference for sweet plain foods, and that's fine. And I know that when she gets older she'll be able to honor her hunger and fullness and eat What She Likes so we'll just get through. This hasn't always helpful with having childcare to force her to be exposed to certain the food. I don't know I guess we've always been that way the family meal and whatever it Is is what's put in front of her and sometimes she might choose us not to have anything to eat, and we just deal with that and that's okay, but I just think it's the social aspect of when she's at Childcare with Satan other kids in they're all sitting around the same table that the same age as her. They're all eating the same food. There's just something about that environment that she's more willing to try new things. So, I think I think it's been really good and I guess on days that she's at Childcare. I don't worry about her intake so she doesn't want to eat dinner. She comes home. That's why I don't know she's eating is probably three or four servings of whatever their pet at lunchtime. So yet I don't know that a date leaders develop Eco food preferences for later in life, which is really good. So, yeah, like I guess it's interesting to see how again then the other side of it how having direct exposure and direct experience with you know, childhood nutrition. How does that change your practice as a professional? It's made me be more realistic I think and just kinda parents. I think that I kind of understand and in fact, I was talking to a parent whose daughters 12 now and she said her food choices that are very similar to Amelia's when she was little and now she eats absolutely everything. So it was actually quite comforting on the other side to know that there's light at the end of the tunnel and I guess coming from it from the other perspective to of being a mum and just being kinder to yourself and saying more really realistic expectations in what? Had managed and also within your own body. Is there anything about Amelia's journey to eating proper food for to admit that you found really interesting to learn about that. Like you hadn't thought about all learn from uni or learn from other experiences. No, I feel I feel really grateful that we never had any difficulties with tongue tires or any anything like that and our journey to get to solid foods was very simple, which I know it's not the case in a lot of you know, a lot of months. So I'm really grateful for that. I guess what just really got me was just how inquisitive nature and just how she was so fascinated by simple things like broccoli. I never knew was juicy and yet she used to suck like, oh, it's juice. It was just amazing and just the playing the enjoyment of food and just kind of taking things slower which I guess. In our busy day, we just kind of we try to eat mindfully, but it might not necessarily happen all the time. But just to watch that wonder and enjoyment and that Fascination has just been really enlightening. I guess. It's something that it's been nice to watch through her eyes. Although on the other Spectrum now dinner times are very interesting and sometimes I wish that I ate dinner on my own because it doesn't make for a very enjoyable. And I often have to like scoff my food down because she won't the even though the exact same fruits on her plate you want what's in my bowl and I will get no food. So that's been a really interesting Journey that I need to shove food in my mouth. So I actually get fed. So I'm a bit worried about this second child if he's ever going to be able to eat anything. I wish it was just take it over we're working on that I guess on that note. Like how do you go with role modeling a healthy relationship? A ship with food. Hmm, I guess that I just find that we include a really balanced diet. I guess we don't have any labels. We eat what we feel like we eat what we have at home and make the most of that. I guess that one thing I've been very not strict on but is really important to me is to have family meal time so that we can role model that positive relationship of eating together as a family being present. And having conversations and then it's actually the center of the home. I guess rather than just something we have on the go. Obviously there are some times when we need to eat on the go but definitely dinnertime is a really important important time for us to kind of set those babies and I know Brandi would have seen ameliorate probably quite a bit. She's quite capable and quite independent in her eating which I'm proud of even though now, she's to two and a quarter but I think for a long time being able to give her that That Independence and self feeding and self-regulation has kind of given her a big advantage of totally objective ways. Well, it's been interesting having the old times with her as like a non child 23, like just seeing her she will eat and then she knows when she wants to stop them like she just it goes back to that sort of intuitive eating aspect of nutrition and that she's just felt something switches and she's done. Yeah, and it's amazing that we have that Sorry a nightly within us from when we're born. Even from when they're having milk. They just know when to stop when they're full and yet somehow as we get distorted in diet culture and all these messages we lose that and we trust we lose that trust in our intuition and our body which is sadly sir. I really I'm really hopeful that I can help shape her life so that she doesn't lose that intuition. How do you Hope to maneuver that like it's all questions. Obviously, it's something that we all grew up with and was shoved in our faces from get go. Yeah, how how do you hope to I guess it's kind of its he's a very big aspiration whether or not it's realistic is another thing. I guess. There's two things is to help educate and Empower her about her own body and like if people want to give them their opinion their own, About what she's eating or what her body looks like being able to have the autonomy to say. No, actually this is this is me and please don't talk about and in that way and I think that she is quite an assertive young woman. So I'm hoping that we can we can work on that as she grows older but also part of it is also educating people that are really in her close circle of family and friends, so A lot of my family and friends obviously know that I'm a non-diet practitioner, but not everyone I guess knows exactly what that means and what those values are. So I guess educating them to make sure that their language that they use is kind and caring around her and ultimately I would love for them to feel that way about themselves to yeah. Yes egg ways nicely into talking about your husband. Yes. He's in the Next Room and bye. Can you tell us a bit about him and his approach to non-diet and that kind of aspect if you're comfortable to absolutely so Alex he is a senior emergency registrar. He's about to sit his Fellowship exams, which is why he's in the Next Room studying with noise canceling headphones. So I guess that's It's a really interesting question and it's something I guess we're at the moment of it's okay to have our differences. That's where we're set up. So I guess we've had lots of lengthy somewhat heated discussions about the non-diet approach and how it fits in not only to his practice but my practice and also in terms to our family so definitely in terms of our family values, he's on the same page as me, but when it becomes to a professional level, it's quite different so he supports me. Way that I practice in for my clients, but I guess when he thinks about his work and the role that he plays it's as I guess it's a struggle to get on the same page. And so for example, I know that he's definitely told patients in an emergency department before that. They need to lose weight and I've discussed with him my thoughts on that and how I don't think that's necessarily appropriate. So we're at a little bit of a standstill. I think our last discussion was was that we were going to have a night where we both I sat down with the evidence. I think post exams. That's that's coming better. Yeah, it's tough, I guess because it's something that I'm so passionate about and innately mightily used in both my personal and my professional life. And so to have that kind of disparity I guess is difficult, but I think Coming from that medical background. I guess the training that he's had as well. It's understandable and I don't think that I'll ever stop fighting the fight. So I will keep you posted on how we going to be an interesting topic though how you can kind of sway other practitioners to not necessarily agree with you, but just understand where you're coming from because like I work in a medic and Sports, Physio Clinic And obviously with like joint Replacements arthritis. There's a big message to lose weight in order to manage symptoms and kind of having those conversations not only with patients, but with other practitioners is really I find really valuable, but obviously that's they're not a part of my personal life so I can kind of dissociate from it and not have to bring that home with me, but I think it's just really interesting that you've had that perspective bring it home and then also Applying it to your family and it's interesting to see that he can kind of agree with you on some levels especially like in the home. Yeah, but then still separate that from his professional. I think it's a I think it's something what I saw on social media at something about health at every size but not every size. So I think there's a limit to what that that knowledge. I guess would apply to in terms of his contacts. And so I guess it's just about breaking down those is but those barriers are quite strong and determined as a mind is in progress and that we've talked about this as well was that the reason lies aren't I kind of don't really want to go down and clinical path entirely as in that's not going to be the be-all and end-all about Korea and I think a large part of that is because in the acute care, there's very limited space to practice in non-diet approach as obviously even just said that Alex is approach because at the space his in all although this is that keeping it to a weight centered environment is almost just a normal course of progression. Yeah, exactly. Exactly officiants the word. I think you can sort of got to see it especially if you work in private practice almost like a public health being like it's almost you stopping people going down a really disordered eating path and then having to rely on a public system to help with what might be the outcomes of that which is I think I personally think is a really good way to view it because you still are So doing something that's going to help the system and it's entirely hopefully been in the run-down, but I don't really through having another diet approach in your practice and in public health messaging you're going to be able to empower people to actually seek help for their health rather than just for their weight. Yes. So ideally that will then impact on people like Alex seeing, you know, not seeing as many patients with certain things that they've let get away because their doctors been more focused on the way. I don't know that yes. I've had this conversation at length with a few people where people who are in a bigger body. They don't want to go to their practitioner because all their GP or whoever it is because they're afraid of what the doctors gonna say. They'll wait until something really horrific happens to be an end up in Ed or end up somewhere else in order to get help which is not the point of the healthcare system is that we want to start preventing things before it gets becomes a burden. Yeah and like Health at every size. As a point of it is to focus on their health and I think that's what a lot of people Miss in that when you're explaining that approach them. They're like, oh but if you're not looking at their way, what are you looking at? And so I called all these other day as an industry be more effective at communicating that will be a big change, but it's not quite there yet. No, it's gonna take a lot of work. I suppose about your career motivations and your employees ended up in private. Practice and you mention that's not what you want where you thought you would end up Yahweh. Sort of, I guess. Where do you hope to go with your career? I guess and work-life balance and that kind of stuff. I guess that's a really good question, I guess because it's still so fresh. I'm still open to anything, but obviously it has its limitations with my family last coming first. So I guess it's just finding that balance of what career is actually going to work best for me. I'm actually really loving Working in the private practice sector. It's completely different from the clinical world and you made a completely different clientele which is both of very very rewarding. So I guess I would love to expand my private practice work further, but I also think that my clinical work really supplements my knowledge base and gives me that graphic Foundation to apply into my private practice work. So I guess I don't really have a clear vision of say where I want to be in five or ten years. In terms of my career. I'm just happy to see where it goes and I'm really grateful for the opportunities that I've had so far. Mmm. Oh, yeah something that's common with a lot of people have gone over recently graduated from dietetics. It's almost just same thing the Yes, man saying, yes, no matter if it's vaguely related to your field are not related at all and just going going down that path. I guess. The only thing for me was that I had really certain values that I was quite specific that if it didn't align with my values then I wasn't going to take that position. Vision or if there wasn't I guess a way to potentially wave my belly's in there. It's in the clinical sector. I'm really looking forward to hopefully integrating more of the non-diet work into the clinical sector because it's so needed in that space But it's just about having the resources and the support behind me to do that. So, I guess that's an unknown whereas say my private practice work. I was very upfront in my first interview and said this is a way that I practice and I was aware that I Could not have got the position based on that. So I guess being a yes person but making sure it aligned with my personal and professional values. Yeah, I think we want to go back a few years now. I'm just looking at questions but studying and building a family. How did that go? That's a really good question, I guess because I guess I was a bit older. I just found myself in a position in. Third setting of second. You really we're will ready to have a family and I guess it was never going to be great timing and I guess it's never a good time for anybody in the Korea to take a break and start a family, but it was just where we're at. So we made it work. So I remember contacting uni and asking them saying that we wanted to stop trying and could I possibly go part-time or what? Could I what were my options in terms of studying? So I was lucky that they were very Very supportive of me. There was no part-time option, but I was able to take a year off from my studies to raise my daughter, which I'm very grateful for and then come back and complete my degree. But the issue was was that the degree was ending that year. So if I didn't come back then I would have had to go down a master's pathway, which was a big motivator for me not to do that more expensive. At that have like having to go back impacted your decisions around your family to the extent where it changed anything to be honest. Fourth year was a bit of a blur. My I was very grateful that Alex went part-time with work and that he's working it with him to do that. So I was very grateful for that. And then we had a million childcare a couple days and we're wonderful mother-in-law helped you out as well wherever she quit so I'm grateful that I had a really big support network behind me in order to facilitate me to finish my degree because that was something that was so important to me. I guess it terrified me to grow back. I guess at there's a lot of mom guilt that comes with that and things that I missed. I remember my last day of clinical placement and I took her to the park afterwards and I actually cried because she was so independent going up the steps to go down the slide and I'm like what have I missed and what have I done that for but at the end of the day, I'm really grateful that I got to do that. Times are changing my practice. I think the only thing was was that I was just more efficient with my time. I guess I made sure that when I got home from uni, I had a couple of hours to spend with her before she went to bed. So it was quite present in those moments. Although given clinical placement. I did fall asleep on the couch quite a lot and I also broke my ankle in that time too. So that added another level level of complexity. So just to add to the chaos, but at the end of The day I just think it may be more organized and I also decreased by expectations of myself. So I was always someone who had to get the highest back or at least a high distinction that's just was non-negotiable past wasn't wasn't doing well for me. So I guess I went back in with the expectation of just passing a and that's okay because at the end of the day, my family is more important. And so yeah, my grades did drop but I'm still really proud of what I managed to accomplish and realistically it's not actually going to affect your No, I don't know. When what to my GP. Yeah students don't realize well, I mean it's kind of known but you don't actually practice it that it's kind of okay to take because I mean everyone's going through different like exactly situations and think something that needs to get across especially to new grads. Is that like we say no one looks at your GPA when you're applying for jobs because you've it's a rigorous degree. Everybody's agree everybody around smart. I know that And I guess what I guess led me to my job's is my communication skills and wearability to not not sell myself or not the right word but develop relationships with people because both jobs that I have we're not advertising. It's yeah, I know or who I contacted to kind of make those opportunities. So yes, that's the most important thing but yet that's not really portrayed either. No. No, it's very might be told in the last week if you need exactly and that's what this whole podcast was born out of it was that we kind of feeling very very under equipped to deal with all of that is sort of being able to talk to people about their Journeys and what they've done and what sort of Life Experiences have led to what their career is is really really important because I think the other issue is that a lot of especially in the dietetics world where everyone's quite tie Bay is they kind of put all this pressure on uni and forget about all these other skill sets that you develop through work volunteering whatever it is you're doing Having out a funnel that into a career as well. And like as you said I would agree was a full-time to Great like it's basically taking up hours that are a full-time job. So you don't really have much time to kind of develop those skills out. Maybe I mean, obviously you had a lot going on when when you were studying like I was working on the weekends just to be able to pay rent and that kind of yeah, but I found I'm graduating that it's actually like I'm glad that I was working because in that job I learnt skills. Is that I can then apply to whatever like where else wherever else I end up. So I think it's really important to kind of be able to take a step back and go look like yes, I'm studying. Yes, you know, this is really important and I need to part us but if you're not it like allowing yourself to build those other skills, then you're not really going to benefit from having that degree. It's absolutely absolutely and I guess but also putting yourself out there in positions that you're not necessarily comfortable with I guess networking to me is Terrifying not my strong suit at all. I think once I went up to someone and said I follow you on Instagram and that was not my best ever. So I would not recommend that but at least trying to get yourself out there and make relationships and it's definitely not easy. It's definitely a work in progress, but it's so important. Like I said already touched on it a little bit but in terms of time management how have you found that you're like, obviously you've got so much going on. How do you have you found that approach? Like it's exhausting to be honest. It's really really exhausting and I find that the person that gets affected the most is me. So I'm always been a person that thinks about everybody else first and how I can accommodate them above my own needs and particularly now as a mum. Of course, that's at the Forefront. So it's been a really big learning curve for me a particularly as quite Alex tell you to study for his exams too. So it's really quite difficult for me to say, you know what I'm just going to go to a pilates class or ago classic that doesn't exist for me at the moment. So it's about how can I make time for self care practices at home? Particularly what Abby Lee is going to bed particularly what I would have go to bed and just kind of setting a little bit of time aside for myself. So I think becoming a bug just makes me more organized than I ever thought I could. could be and I'm definitely a list person but I'm really working on that balance and then once his bug comes along I have no idea how I'm going to juggle everything, but I'm sure I would have and I think obviously we've touched on you doing Private Practice clinical social media the whole lot of stuff with that social media aspect you've mentioned that you don't spend as much time on it anymore previously. What was your experience with that? Was it like all-consuming? Was it a I'm just going to go on here to post my own stuff. What was your balance? I think it was just more that it took away from me being present in the moment with my family. Don't that I was ordered all day every day, but I've just made a very conscious decision that I'm not really on it during the day unless Amelie is asleep or less what she's going to bed at night so that way I could be focused by full attention on her. And then anything else could white to to later. So that's kind of where that's come from and also just exhausted and particularly in these pregnancy. I've been so tired. I didn't have even the mental capacity to get that this space and Mia and I guess at the end of the day realizing that I guess the relationships that I have with people in real life are more important to me to me personally the what social media is, although I know you can make wonderful connections all day which they translate into real life. Yes. It's do You mentioned just before that, you know that stigma around being that type of mum especially yeah in the aram's and that kind of thing. How have you found that in terms of your own social media content? Because I mean if someone's like for me who I'm like not as close to your family as bran is you it's pretty easy to believe you've kind of got it all together, but knowing medium social media How do you approach not giving that kind of unrealistic expectation to your life? Because like I know that you you know, you're busy and you've got everything going on but having that kind of come through on your social media feed. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that I've trying more to make sure that it's not so curated that even if it is a pretty picture that it might have a caption that relates to some of person I don't want people to think that all we do is drink. Smoothies and Baker that there's no tattoo rooms that I'm never exhausted. I never say that I can't do it because it happens that happens a lot and I get fatigued but I guess something that really helps me is my support networks around me and that I reach out to so making sure that I'm surrounded by people who get that and get that I need a break is really important. But I guess that I need to be more active in translating that social media because it's particularly as a noob of I guess. Have all these expectations of what motherhood should be like and what you should be able to accomplish, but I guess that was one of my main concerns going into it was just to be gentle and myself would be kind to myself and just getting through each day's okay don't need to cook elaborate meals or anything as long as your babes happy at the end of the day you're happy. That's all that that is. So I guess social media can be dangerous and that way that people portray that last perfect. It's so easy and it's not so it's definitely something I'm working on. Yeah, but I think as well. Like it's not really something that's very well understood about social media. That is a highlight reel. Hmm because of course you're not going to share all the Tantrums in the down like no one wants to hear that. I don't want to hear about everything but there is a fine line between, you know, being realistic about it and then also or on the other side portraying this life that doesn't really exist. Exactly exactly. There's so many struggles that go on that people just don't don't know about that isn't meant to And and I guess social media is a fantastic way to raise more awareness, but it's also about having the courage to do that Terry. Do you think the city like being surrounded by people who are similar situation to you on social media. Do you think that impacts your own kind of I guess self confidence in you the way that you're going about things. I make sure that I only follow people that make me feel good about myself or what I'm doing some terrible. I just mean that like II don't mean that I just want positive. But if there's someone there that's promoting something that I don't agree with or is to curated that I won't follow them Vallely follow them if it generally makes me feel good if I look at their package of that make sense. So that's also very sorry that I've done quite a bit the last year or so. I've just made short particularly with my dietetics page. It's only things that align with my values that I follow and if something pops up that I don't agree with I will unfollow. Yes. Yeah. Yeah has your follow like The people people you follow has that changed from I suppose the beginning of social media or the conception Instagram to going through those headaches having a kid. What like what's your social media? Like, so my personal social media is a whole lot of money blockers, which I love I love and I get fantastic tips and tricks and just you know, General craft baking ideas or like fun family activity. So that's generally what the predominant of my social media is or beautiful kids clothes that I really don't need to be by hope. So that's absolutely absolutely changed and then even get even going through searching through something called my social media other day went through it unfolded all these companies like I don't even know what you are like it. Yeah, it's been around for a really long time but to even yet. Yeah the content of what I post on my own page is so so different to what I previously used to post whatever it used to be like, so I feel like we yeah. A general yq long journey halfway almost at this like halfway point. Yeah have a child like studying dietetics and it's been about half of your life. Yeah. It's like the for habeas late was a lot about our holidays, which I'm really grateful for but also there was a lot of like Fitness and food and like I'm right had one that was like a one-hour exercise. It's like for our when I workout is like 4% of your day. What's your excuse like stuff like that so stuff that way whatever. Because I have other things in my life. So that was what it was previously and it's definitely changed and I guess the reason I've got to social media accounts was a lot of the reason people follow me on my current account is for motherhood. So they weren't particularly interested in my nutrition information, which is completely fine. And that's why I created another platform to promote that right, but just cherubi. Yeah. It's a touchy subject. I think social media is hard to navigate especially because it's kind of grown as we've come into adulthood and as we you know, it's really impacted the way that we practice as well because obviously like, you know, ten years ago as you really exist so as the like Frontline and practitioners that are now involved in a yes, we kind of have to be aware of that so you could all be good to finish on I guess what does food mean to you and your family and How is it played a role in your life so food to me is everything particularly as it's my career as well? I think about food all the time. I'm always thinking about what I'm going to cook when we're going to have people over when we're going out which now is very limited. But food is a really really big part of my life and it's a really big part of my family it's life as well. So at likes his Heritage is Greek in Italian. So we got the best of both worlds in terms of amazing food, but it's also I've been such a big part of their family in terms of bringing everybody together. So that's something that's been really nice for me. I guess I came from a really small family. And now it's nice to have these really big family events, which is centered around beautiful delicious, wholesome food. So I guess that's what it means to be. It's also a way to for me to bond with my daughter to through cooking and getting her involved in the process. Yeah. Don't like favorite dishes from like family gathering. Um, so yeah is chocolate and walnut cake, you know, you're special when she makes up for your birthday. Like I knew I was in when she made that for me for my 21st birthday was is the best thing so that that is the most amazing cake and I'm looking forward to she's making it again for my sister-in-law's engagement in a couple of months time, and I cannot wait Each other definitely there's also my mother-in-law's potato pizza, which I would never find a better potato pizza in my life. That is a perfect and then I guess the other thing that brings really fond memories is the day that we had Amelia. My in-laws brought in brunette is cannoli. So that is going to cannoli it was amazing cannoli. And so we had it again on her birthday and I think when this both comes along again, we'll have it again. So I think that's just something that's a bit symbolic to us as well. Well, and then the other thing is is I always make rocky road on anniversary because Alex loves it so much significance to lately. Yeah, and even I was sick the other day and I remember posting something on social media of how I have plain chips and lemonade when I'm sick because that's what my granddad when I was sick growing up and how that in made me feel a little bit closer to her even though she's no longer with us and it's just something good tradition that I keep carrying on even though I know It's fun to be a sea turtle in the lemonade on our nice. Oh, that's beautiful thing to end on. Yeah. Well, thank you for being a guest. All right. Thank you for having me. It's been an absolute pleasure. We'll just to wrap up where can people find you so they can find me. My website is joyful nutrition. So enjoy full Fu Double L nutrition docked come daughter you they can find me. On the Instagram handle a trifle nutrition and also test Henry knows probably the easiest ways to family. Yeah. Thank you so much for being on our podcast really appreciate like obviously taking up the time out of your busy busy while I feel like she might have ended the podcast maybe next time. Hey, what are you still doing here? The party's over. Thanks for sticking around though. And thank you so much for coming to our pantry party. Yeah. I hope you had a great time. I mean we sure did. Oh, no, don't worry about doing the dishes leave them there. Yeah, look tomorrow. Just get home safe. Yeah, okay, if you really want to do something you can hit the link down below. It takes you to our patreon page or you know, just check out our website or Instagram share this episode right us on Apple podcast maybe will be new and noteworthy ones. Got to be a great room for a party. Yeah, but either way go home the episodes over by.

In today’s episode, we’re chatting to our good friend Tess Handrinos. While the rest of the cohort was struggling to meet assignment deadlines, Tess and her hubby Alex had another due date in mind, welcoming their beautiful daughter Emilia in late 2016. After a short but well deserved break from her studies, Tess went on to complete her Bachelor of Nutrition and Dietetics, managing to ace both her degree and motherhood. Now working as a non-diet dietitian and with baby number two on the way (VERY soon! ), Tess is THE queen of work/life balance. She has spent the last year building her business, Joy Full Nutrition, whilst practising both clinically and in private practice. Tess continues to be one of the most thoughtful and caring people we know; is an amazing mother and friend and, quite honestly, an inspiration to both of us. In this episode, we find out how Tess manages to keep it all together - expertly balancing work, motherhood and life, all while maintaining her own personal values. Enjoy!

What is a freaks welcome back to Tales from the Crypt? It's your boy Marty been on a very overcast Thursday afternoon here in the studio for another addition to Rabbit Hole recap. What's going on Matt? I'm really excited for today's episode guys. Yeah, we just spent like 45 minutes going over the docket it we basically just had an episode of okay. But anyway, it's going to be great. Yeah before we jump into everything. We're going to shout out our sponsor first unchain Capital you freaks know all about them. They've recently released their two or three multisig volts growing on their product Suite which started with a collateralized loan product. We had Parker Lewis on a couple weeks ago on the podcast. As if you haven't checked that out go check it out and then go check out on chains volt at www.hsn.com Capital.com vaults that's www.hsn.com - Capital.com volts. Don't forget that - Freaks and we'll put a put a special ref Link in the notes as well before we jump into the topics the Bitcoin price according to the trade Bloc xbx index is five thousand two hundred seventy seven dollars in 66 cents. I believe a little It higher and we're we're last week. It's basically moon man. What block are we at? We're at five seven two one nine seven. It's a lot of blocks. A lot of blocks out of blocks we 630,000. How about how many blocks away from that Army about ninety eighty nine thousand. 88 something to what is it? What's the black-eyed again? Six? 630,000 Wow way off wait like 50. Yeah big way off on that math 58,000 blocks. Yeah, 58,000. I was off by having. Yeah. I had a fifty thousand forty thousand there by accident. That's what uh, that's what happens. When you try to do mental math. We're great at math here at the rabbit hole recap. Yeah speaking of math got a lot to talk about first topic of the week. Has to do with this cryptography satoshi's treasure was dropped this week. Not as Treasurer. His treasure is his treasure. Nobody kind of sounds like you'd he dropped his treasure his like Hardware while it had lost so she left before treasure ever became a thing, I believe but treasure like a pirate treasure. There's a there's an international treasure hunt for a million dollars worth of bitcoin. Have we confirmed the Bitcoin amount is around 200 Bitcoin. I think it's going to be around. 20 billion satoshi's 20 billion satoshi's which is which is 200 Bitcoin. Yeah, but they the address is hasn't been shown yet. They're going to that address is going to be one of the clues like the way they disclose the addresses and upcoming clue. Yes for you freaks have not heard who have not heard yet. There's again international treasure hunt for around 200 Bitcoin. It's ready player one. Yeah. It's basically Ready Player One in real life. Life here with Bitcoin 2019 with Bitcoin. So the deal is there are 400 shards of a private key that will be discussed at will mm. Nobody will put into a thousand but you only need four hundred you. Okay? So there's a thousand short. Are you sure? I'm 99% Sure. Okay. Yeah, so well thousand shards you need 400 to put together a private key which gives you access to this Bitcoin and you don't need any permission or anything then from that point you just Ascended whoever gets it gets it gets it. Yeah, so there's like all these crazy game theory things that go on at the end there when you like get when you get close to 400. So yeah, so let's jump in let's jump into that. So it's crazy. So three keys or there's only been three disclose right now three starting. So yeah, unless we're behind the game. Yeah. Let's are high five. We have all 3 shards you go bang. So yeah, it was released earlier this week Eric Meltzer and I believe he's behind the unknown. Yeah. And yeah, it's really cool. So the first 3 shards were found and somebody was able to read the the HTML CSS file via checking the index. John control. Yeah, John Cantrell of of the website. It was able to sort of Brute Force the third key. Yeah, the Hebrew Force II II II II Keys. Yeah because it was local. All the code was local but this is a short words. But yeah and But this was sort of intentional it seems right. Yeah, Eric was Eric Meltzer has on the citizen Bitcoin podcast. And at least he pitched it as it was part of the not all the clues are going to be set up this way where you go to the website and and you enter a password and then part of part of the whole thing was he was wondering if people were going to figure that out said yeah figured out and so they're trying to discern the the mental acuity of of the treasure hunters and make the game harder as it goes on depending on on that on how good the treasure hunter was so the crazy thing here is He kind of it seems like he envisions it as a reoccurring type thing. Like he wants like this is it seems like this hunt will they expected to take like they refuse to say but it seems from Context that they expected to take like a year, maybe two years Max and then they'll have another one and another one and another one and they'll at the same time. They'll have all these little Hans that will be for smaller prizes. It's not like everyone, you know has has to go for the big prize. Yeah, there's like crazy secondary markets that can be built on top of this game as well. They're gonna have like a nap and they're going to allow you to sell Keys between people and stuff like that and they'll have a leaderboard. It's very very ready ready player one asked where there's going to be a leader board of teams. We have a team out there the DPR Avengers and we plan on giving if we if we find it we win when we win when we get the Treasure we're going to give 10% to free Rose to free Ross. Yes. So we are accepting applications for team members. We're looking for wizards people that are smarter a cryptography than us and our jika geographically dispersed as well. It's important to people different parts of the world for this treasure hunt. This is so ridiculous. But this is a good thing right? This was a yeah. Awesome. I'm very excited. Yeah, so it was cool. Yeah, so they had people walking around at different parts of the country or hothead different QR codes and different part of the country refers to different parts of the world world. Yes. Yeah. So there's one here in New York in Times Square. There's one in Boston by MIT one in San Francisco, I believe so those are like all the same key, right? Yes, and then they had another batch of keys. That was in Asia. And then I think they had a batch. I was in South America. This is how Bitcoin goes viral. Can you see this catching on like in the mainstream? I think I think so, right like you don't have to be a big corner to be excited about finding, you know, a million dollars or their cash right and like you can't do this. You can never do this with any you couldn't do with Fiat if they want to do it feel to be ridiculous. Imagine trying to coordinate like all the payment providers and all the different countries and stuff be ridiculous. Yeah Victorian we've always talked about Bitcoin and a are like sort of Geocaching and dropping QR codes like and parts of the world and doing like a physical treasure hunt like that which will probably come in the future but you don't even need the AR aspect of it. You can completely completely cerebra land in a puzzle math-based and and meet some of the clues might be a are based. You don't we don't you don't even know maybe they are like they do have an app in the works. So there's there's a bunch of different possibilities here. It should be interesting to watch it play out. Now if you're a Bitcoin her is ever seen Ready Player one while you were watching that movie I if you were watching that didn't think Bitcoin enables this. Yeah. I mean, it's like ridiculous a Bitcoin wasn't included in the in the book to begin with was it written after Bitcoin was created I think so right isn't it? Like a relatively recent book? I'm not positive and I'm like pretty sure it's a relatively recent. But all I know is I like a lot. I like reading a lot of new Sci-Fi and I almost Bitcoin is kind of ruined a lot of information because if they don't incorporate Bitcoin into it, it's like I I'm realistic do you watch mr. Robot? Yeah. Yeah and you know Bitcoins Incorporated so makes more sense to me. Yeah. I've never I've never watched mr. Robot, but told I should it was like I was thinking You should definitely watch mr. Robot and especially as like a big corner, it's good really good. You can like pretend it's like fake studying. You know, what it possibly could go down. I was thinking like was like our Wikileaks conversation last week and Julian Assange. That was one of the light bulbs for me with Wikileaks how powerful it was that I would watch like action movies and drama movies and half the movie would be like Irrelevant because the plot would be you know, they find something that they have to tell the world and they're trying to tell the world but all the bad guys are stopping them. They all they had to do is drop it to WikiLeaks absolutely destroyed the plot the Bourne series completely destroyed. Yeah. You just want to just upload it to WikiLeaks. Yeah, they're not much not much new news on that front. I think he's still in the process of being extradited still London. Yeah. I'm not sure. Yes otoshi treasure DPR Avengers were looking for teammates will put the link in the show notes. If she can help us out. We're going to go hunting. I mean I did. Yeah, everyone should be going and going hunting for this thing. This should be fun and if there's a lot of traction and a lot of activity with it, then you know, they'll be a lot more of them. I imagine. Yeah, and the another thing to think of the prize is 1 million dollars right now, but depending on where the price Bitcoin it'll be locked in Bitcoin amount once at least we'll know for sure once we see the address. Yeah. Well, I think we should lock that down sooner rather than later. What the amount? Yes. Yeah. I am 99% sure. It's pre-funded. It's already funded but I you know, I haven't seen anything for myself. So imagine the fervor around this hunt if it's like the middle of a bull market. I was thinking like just if if we if things got a little bit crazy and December and that's when it kind of happens, that could be Very pretty crazy just like if we were in like a similar bullish kind of situation as 2017 while this prize was wall-to-wall people had like 300 keys or like 350 keys. I can see a whole cottage industry being birthed out of this game. That's all going to say next topic one more thing. One more thing they ask for when you if you go to the website, I think it's the toe. She treasured out XYZ. They can send you notifications like of new Clues and stuff and there's an email and a phone option. That phone option is optional. You don't have to fill that in you do not use you. Do not you don't want to give Meltzer and crew your your phone number. Yeah, or if you have a burner that you want to use for the treasure. Yeah, you you know, you can use a burner email. Yeah. Yeah. So definitely duly noted that that phone is optional. It was not clear but They now that's I think they put optional on it. I still it's worth mentioning. So the price pump the earlier in the month April 1st and 2nd people ran with that story the hours and days after that 20% jump overnight from April 1st to 2nd this week trade Bloc and queen metrics have come out and sort of disputed the popular narratives that were going around and basically prove that bitfenix was the one who led the charge and I guess coin metrics. I was it said like hit BTC. Yeah and hippie TC. So there is I believe right after the pump people were saying was three changes coinbase bitstamp and cranking cracking cracking. Maybe it turns out I think it wasn't so that we talked about on the pot. I think like they there is a Reuters article. That's what we talked about how to pronounce it Reuters Reuters the Reuters article, you know is based on some random dude in fucking England who was like one guy did it so they and One really knows anyway, you just looking at the volume numbers and the charts. Yeah, I know knows I mean I I guess the main Crux is Bitcoins were actually bought like the price. Oh, yeah, a lot of Bitcoins are bought a lot of Bitcoins are sold. And right. Now a lot of Bitcoins are being bought and a lot of Bitcoins are being sold like people get into this thing in their headwear. Oh like we're in a bear Market. Everyone is selling know like literally there's another person buying on the opposite side. It's a weird mental block thing to get around. Yeah, somebody's buying somebody's got be selling on the other hand otherwise would be at 0. Like how is that not obvious right after the fact like how did it take us like a few weeks of jumping into it. Like how how is it like not obvious entree black? Okay. I mean, I think it probably was obvious. I guess this is more of a question into how could the news gets so because all writers has to do is just publish an article with a one-line quote from some dude, you know, and in London and that's there. Amount of due diligence and work and and trade Bloc and code metrics like sat down with the data and like made some reasonable conclusions based off of all the data they have but they still even both of them like they never made a concrete but you know Reuters just runs it on the headline Bitcoin pumps because of 100 Million Dollar Trader. I saw I'm Rod was coming at Trey block for their choice of chart change the color. Yeah, because their colors were like all blue. So it was hard to yeah, it was it was a hard hard a shark to discern. It was a pretty funny to eat by Murad who has been hot this week. I talked about in the bed you tweeted about it 2019 seems to be the year of privacy a Bitcoin this week in particular. I'm going to say it Pierre pushed or I don't know if you pushed it yet. But he plans on the next major release. So the node launcher to make it a default to tour. So anybody running Pierre's no launcher will have sort of inherent privacy with their at the network level and the messaging level and then on top of that treasure came out and said they're working. So it was a Sabi Sabi and Treasurer working together and we'll Sabe and bunch of Hardware while it's a working together to make it so that you can use wasabi with your Hardware. Are wallet and make it easier to mix your you tx's yeah, so my understanding is they used the same integration that Bitcoin core recently put in. Yeah, so they will put the GitHub page in the notes and so far it's compatible or the the test. They've run with two Hardware Wiles of treasure Model T. And the cold card on Windows OS X OS X and Linux have passed their test. Just they plan on testing digital bit box Kiki Ledger Nano s and treasure one and running those through the gauntlet soon. So it looks like Wasabi will be compatible with Hardware while it's in the near future. Yeah, so this is fucking huge news. It's really really big deal explain the gravity of this to us. So before when you needed to use your Hardware wallet and you wanted to use it. Most people used the treasure UI on the web the web browser and The Ledger UI on The Ledger Live app that runs on your computer or now, even with the with the new Ledger they have the On the phone because it's got the Bluetooth. Basically when you did that you were leaking all of your transaction data is going to Ledger or going to treasure your going to their servers. So you're just telling them all of your addresses all your balances everything, you know, hopefully they're not storing that information and sharing it but we have to trust them. So the alternative has been to run electron personal server with your full node, and then connect through it. Electrum to your election personal server and use because electrum supports Hardware wallets because if you use regular electrum, then you're connecting to a random server and that random server could be logging all your shit. So this finally gives Hardware wallet owners are like a turnkey privacy focused alternative to all that because election personal server. By the way, that hottel guide has how to set up a ledger personal server you want to do that, but it's a more complicated. It set up with Wasabi. You just download it. You can you can use on any of the platforms. It's got a nice nice to you. I automatically connects through tour for you. And then if you run a full note on your computer, it automatically pulls blocks from your full node, or it can work in light note mode if you you know if you don't. If you don't want to run your own full note, so it gives you like the most private way of interacting with the hardware wallet and it's like super user-friendly fucking crazy. I love how was wasabi. Has made like you TXS selection so straightforward and how is this not existed yet. The only ones who came close was like electrum, but the labeling system in Wasabi's just it's incredible so much easier to use. It's a Mopar Adam done a great job you xy's and you TX S election something huge and something that should be at the Forefront of these wallets in my opinion. So it's great to see now with Hardware while it's you'll be able to one use Wasabi and I guess there's an added benefit is there are natural you txo selection. So so my understanding I haven't tried it with the hardware wallet yet. My understanding is so I might be wrong here. But my understanding here is that there's a you still have the traditional wasabi hot wallet for your coins because they need to be constantly signing those transactions including them in coin transactions. And then you also can interact with your Hardware while it through it so you can you basically like still are like transferring in and out of Wasabi. So it's like a new treasure bridge but via Wasabi or something like that almost. Yeah, I mean like you can interact with your Hardware wallet and there was AA B and you can interact with your coin wallet through Wasabi, and and if you want to move funds between the two then obviously you can do that at the same time. Yeah, they're pretty badass pretty badass and it's a really big deal and I think Ragnar tweet out today, like a lot of people were saying 2019 was going to be the year of lightning but it does look like shaping up to be the year of very good hardware and privacy improvements as Lightning infrastructure gets billed out. I think it's I mean it makes it ridiculously easy to use use your heart. I think one of the reasons so few people run full nodes is because you can't easily just use your Hardware while it with a full node and that changes now with this with this new rossabi update that that changes and that's that's really cool by itself and let alone all of the knock-on effects that it's going to do with more people. Using coins because there they can use their Hardware wallet right in the app. Yeah making it easier will certainly certainly incentivizes and this is something I've been thinking about a lot this week. I've been wanting to write something in the bent but just haven't felt comfortable like does in this is something I'm very interested to get your perspective on like do these improvements. Is it inherently improving Bitcoins privacy or is it just better use like Bitcoin is not inherently more private. It's just being used. Better or is the fact that a bunch of people are mixing you tx's make inherently more private you get what I'm getting up there like Bitcoin hasn't changed. Yes. Exactly. I think it makes using the Bitcoin Network for everyone more private, right? Because when you start doing widespread coin joints it just it just helps everyone. Yeah, but does it make coin any more private Could you say Yes master like a thrush? Yeah, exactly. That's why I said like a semantics argument. I've been having in my head. It's there that argument is there I think is there a threshold of mixed UT EXO's that would make Bitcoin more private. I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. Well the big thing is like if you mix in these Techniques that like samurais working on and stuff where it basically every transaction looks like a coin joint. Even if it's not a coin then you get some really interesting things when you have you know masses doing coin joints, and then the other thing is We're if they ever tried to do some kind of like Blacklist on coins. It's way harder to enforce the more transactions that have gone through it. Right like what are they going to like if you start bending because they can't just ban direct coins into exchanges. It would it would be like a couple hops so then how many hops you know, and so if everyone's using coin join and the vast majority of Bitcoin users are using coins earned on the regular then any kind of any kind of Blacklist on coin histories becomes basically the equivalent of like Banning Bitcoin self ownership in the first place, like self custody in the first place. Yeah. That's what I'm trying. Yeah, the is there what is the Threshold at which The exchanges and the on-ramps who would have the ability to block these transactions. When do they throw their arms up and say hey, there's nothing we can do about it. Well, I think either way it's like probably unenforceable because someone will accept them, you know, so yeah and it just becomes like unrealistic to have to check the full history of like any particular utx. Oh like that's ridiculous and ownerís on the Receiving party. So in a lot of ways, I think exchanges should welcome coins that have gone through coin joint because for them, you know what they don't know can hurt them. They you know, they prefer to not know it's like a bodega owner getting a five dollar bill exactly. They it reduces liability. I think part of the reason he people even talk about taint and all this stuff is because the capability is there that's what makes people think of it in the first place like if you didn't have that capability Then it'd be way less of a discussion. Yeah, it'll be interesting to watch this play out and hopefully the this Wasabi Hardware wild integration won't cite more coins and and increase the on it the anonymity set like run your own node and then connect Wasabi to your own node. If it runs on your computer, you know, you can use you can use Pierre's you know. Want to really be a power user use Pierre's power node launcher, which is going to default at or you run it on your computer. It automatically runs in prune mode. So if it needs to so it won't take up too much space. I think what it's like takes looks like less than 20 gigs and then you install the Sabi and wasabi automatically connects to that that Bitcoin node. And then if you if you run coin turns actions, not only do you help yourself because if you got those coins to like a kyc type Change then you can D-Link them from your identity. So you can help yourself going forward but you helped all bitcoiners by improving the liquidity of of coins. So join us. Where are we at? Join us. Where are we on the Wasabi and in the movie Set or how many Bitcoins have been run through it? Well last time I checked they had 26,000 on the And last time I checked they had collected about 16 bit coin worth of fees. It's like kind of cool that keep the fee address is is a static address so you can see that's how you kind of measure usage. But you have to remember that if that could be gamed you could have like 40 computers all running coins from the same person. It's true. That's why the more the merrier. Yeah more the merrier and that wouldn't surprise me at all that's going on. Exactly. That's how you would try and attack it. If you're going to try and attack it you would you know, if there's 70 participants in a coin join you try and be as many of those participants as possible. It gets really impractical the more people use it. So yeah, so when in doubt mix so let's get these these Hardware while to test it out what Wasabi implemented and start and star coin joining people. I really well the treasure T already works and I think that is like and the Coast Guard the best the treasure Chi is like the best. Entry level Hardware wallet like that. I that's the one I recommend like wholeheartedly and then cold cards like great for power users. Yeah. So those are like two huge ones. That's awesome. Speaking of Awesomeness L&D 0.60. The latest big release of L&D was released this week and it comes with static Channel backups, which I called out last week. I knew it was going to include them you weren't certain. You know, I give we got to go back to the tape are on site. Caution you have the release notes. They're highly encouraging the people upgrade. If you are running L&D nodes and this is where upgraded yeah, we're upgraded on our nodes. If you want an open Channel not all made it super easy house though. There was just he pushed the update and then there was an update button and you press the update button, then you wait for it to update. Then you just stop to L&D service. Then you updated that and then you started it was like three button clicks super intuitive. Yeah. Well shout a novelty in for being on top of that. It's pretty badass and it got it out really quick. And yeah, so we're fully upgraded now this channel back up. It's an interesting sort of way to backup everything and basically makes it so that you're able to get messages out to your peers your channel peers and politely ask them to close. That your funds get back to the on Shane address write the force. They've forced close the channels and it goes back to the address. Yeah, and this is incited via message that you send to your channel Pierce. So what does this mean? What does this give you a sense of? You know, it's a step in the right direction, you know, you don't you probably won't lose everything if something like catastrophic happens. Yeah, it's still not ideal because you don't have your channels up. Up anymore, you know you have to and you have to pay all those transaction fees to close all the channels. So ideally you'd never have to use it. But it's a nice it's good to have a like a like a fallback. This is actually a good caveat into a subject that was not on the docket. But I saw you and Nick Bhatia who's going to be in town next week on the podcast talking about our arnar on our honor our routing node, which is a at the node accrual rate is it yeah the NoDa cruel or you note accrual rate accrual rate and sparked the basically trying to discern the amount of interest earned via routing lightning Network payments. This is what Nick body is trying to to sort of develop a ideas around and a process around and the concept is you can sort of discern a percentage gained from your node because of routing transactions fees that you accrue but you brought up a good point that our node is probably net negative because of the the cost of opening and closing channels. Jane well, he brought up the cause of the novel as well. But we they sent us ever free so it would be unfair to include that. But yeah, I mean we have the on chain fees. We have the cost of the hardware whatever you're running it on. Right? We have Internet you have to pay for you have to pay for obviously electricity, but that's minimal. Yeah, and so it all comes out it all comes out negative. Now. The other thing I said, you know, it's first of all, it's very early to make any kind of conclusions. I kind of disagree with Nick and lot of ways that I don't think that people are going to be honestly reporting what kind of fees I make so that just draws that whole thing out the window and then the third thing is there's other benefits that are really hard to quantify and running your own full node, right like so Sovereignty and being able to verify your own transactions and increase privacy. So if you're already running your own full node. You're so that you know, you just end up running a lightning note as well. That's kind of yeah, that's important. It seems like a variable cost dependent on the individual. Yeah, it's hard and it's hard to put that cost totally on on running running a lightning note. Yeah not that was an interesting conversation. Maybe we'll link to that if we can find it. I'm sure we'll be able to was so I recently discovered how to like adjust. I'm like just just learning on the Fly. I discovered how to change the fees of the channels from the default because we were just running on the default for a while. So you just got you you lowered our base fee, right? So so lightning light. Yeah lightning 10ml satoshi's or something the way lightning fees work. So on chain transaction fees work by the size of the transaction and bites like how big a file it is the lightning transactions. Go by how much money you're sending? Right? So there's a base which is just automatic charge and I think that defaults to one Satoshi. So I turn I changed I lowered that 2.1 Satoshi and then a hundred millisecond to she's yeah, so makes super small payments like Ultra cheap and it basically free and if you're making a big payment to gives us a little bit more of a big so then yeah, I change the rate. On the satoshi's per byte. Yeah that the variable rate I raised that. But it like not that much. I'm not it's hard to visualize at those small numbers how low it is. So I'm I'm just experimenting. I'm just going to I'm going to just keep changing it around but it's always going to be low for at least for now trial and error baptism by fire. I mean part of the reason why I think it's going to be hard to make like reasonable like extra reasonable Returns on these things is because There's always just like some guy who is just doing it to you know, like help the network or whatever who's just running big channels all over the place with very very low fees and the alternate. Yeah the altruistic node Runner. Yeah, it's super easy to undercut especially with like private channels and stuff. Then other people won't even see it. Yeah, the private channel is more what I'm more worried about for developing these these statistics and data rates and stuff. Like it be running tour nodes right liked or lightning nodes will be running the magic salt missing the people running like they give well, yeah, hopefully the majority of our nodes will be running Tour by default. But you know, then people aren't going to be honestly reporting their fees. Why would they do that? Yeah, there's no incentive to accept like the public if there's like publicly traded. rated routing companies so that have to so that's that's what I'm getting at is they'll be like the a two-tiered or a bifurcated system of like an underground lightning Network and an aboveground kosher Network that's like kind of like the one of the reasons just jump in headfirst into into like running this node because I feel like you can't like if you're not trying to not make that happen, then you can't really complain about it. And I think once you have like reliable backups, like a lot of people will I think a lot of people will you know prefer not to send it through send their transaction through some major routing node. We're major routing no now. No, I think we're like We're just just like a nice. I don't know like the it's like the anti is supposed to be like the anti routing node. Like it'd be nice if we could like. Yeah, just like have a I've I have I didn't I've closed any channels that Ellen big is opened with me. So I've just I'm disconnected from him your big Ellen big concern. We have huge challenges like Pierre. I don't know just like the friend I guess the friendly routing node. Yeah, like there's the friendly Community route. Your local routing node two freaks that you you freak snow. At least we hope you know us a little bit by this point. We're here to help. I just want I want the network to be as distributed as possible like the least Hub and spoke as possible. Yeah, it seems like it's getting easier to make that that Envision reality a real reality. Yeah. I mean, I think the big thing is just like really reliable backups like once you can give people that you know, peace of mind L&D 0.60 took a big step Direction. So yeah, if you haven't upgraded yet upgrade in the GitHub release notes. They say it's highly encouraged because you can't participate in the static Channel backups. Yeah do the nature of some of the bug fixes which were made during the implementation of the new SCB feature uses are highly encouraged upgrade to this new version staying on Lightning though a couple cool apps that we wanted to bring up Ellen pay wall link is the first one and this seems like a pretty simple thing. You can put any any link behind a lightning network-enabled pay wall basically like a bit ly But for for people who want to make satoshi's on this, yeah pops up a little lightning invoice and then your the visitor pays a lightning invoice. They get redirected you get paid and the guy who runs this gets paid a bit so you can like pay wall anything right? Like yeah, but like once I get through then they have like the regular link, right? It's still really cool. I think it's a really I like simple tools just like little things. It's a very cool. It's a very cool proof of concept. It will definitely share in the the show notes. Hey Walt dot link and then the second one I want to highlight is lightning scratchcard. This one's really cool. So this is not exactly the same idea. But what it is is you pay micro payments to scratch off a piece of an article a bit at a time and leaving the rest of it sort of redundant communal pay wall. Yeah. It's a communal paywall that you can pay. So like right now I'm looking at an article that is only been 25% revealed and starts. It stops like three quarters of the way through the first paragraph. That's all I can read right now. But if I were to pay a hundred satoshi's I'd be able to get a More lines to you're not going to contribute and help help people read the rest. Now. My node configuration right now is not ideal. I scratched off like half a paragraph of a different article the other day. It's pretty cool. It's like it's an interesting idea for a pay wall. It's a very interesting idea because then everyone because once one person scratches then everyone can see that part that is now visible you could yeah, this is very cool like gamified way of interacting with content and it's something that's only possible with like a With a light Network. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, pretty much Nick. Yeah and probably be enabled with other Technologies in this space. But the fact that we have without having to do like kyc and everything. Yeah, like you could probably yeah, you can probably like integrate it with stripe or something if you want to tell that'd be a pain in the ass. Yeah. So these things are getting built. It's cool to see them. We are building similar things that we're going to be. We're going to be working on like similar content was a little teaser gamify ideas as well a little teaser and both of these we open channels to so that that's like another reason that the node is really useful is because if we talk about something then we can open channel to it ahead of time. Let's check the note right now channel count 207 207 channels open. I think that's that's pretty eye. Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's not Pierre's node. What's yeah, but it's like look up here is no type in power node users. Lightning power users is what the notice. Appears got a thousand two hundred twenty his insane. Holy crap insane. He's been fighting the good fight. Shout out to Pierre. What what else have you learned managing our node anything anything do from last week? No, it's been going great. It's the novel makes it extremely easy. Staying a lightning a little bit not directly involved with the Hot or Not. BTC pay fundraiser was run over the last week. That was badass. I was badass the website was badass, but it was all run through BTC pay server once your PTC pay server and it was very interactive. So you could tell like it was you could tell in real time when people were donating and would show whether it was a non chain transaction or lightning that one the amount and the amount just came down in a ticker that So fucking cool. Yeah, it's it's crazy how and again like gamifying this stuff like gamifying a fundraiser for defense fund. It was fun. I was like, you know it really I donated through Jewel and it like really it clicked because you know, you like you go there you click donate and then just pops up right through your browser just makes the payment instant when you see like pop up on the little ticker that everyone sees like that's pretty fucking cool like a little bar moves, I guess a little Payments this is the themes that this is the theme of tonight's rabbit-hole recap is gamification from satoshi's Treasure to scratch off to this. Like is this the way like we get Bitcoin to the masses is sort of gamifying all the stuff. I like games so I'm fine with that. Is this for real? I think it'll be effective. This is going to be adopted by Rich billionaires looking to stash their wealth or people looking to interact in a gamified world. I mean, I think it's already been gamified too many degrees. I mean like you have the the whole trading element like we had what okay casino, right? You know you have bit Max's like a straight. It's that that's like a video game because how it's all set up. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's gonna say, okay scecina bring me back to the okay wood chipper, which also made me think of the article that Nick Carter dropped this week about proof of solvency and the The Horde history of exchanges and proof of solvency. Yeah, I think okay corn specifically faked their approval solvency, right? Yes. They did. They deleted it. There's like a if it will link to the next piece as well, but there's a laughable history of Ages saying that they would provide proof of reserves and then either never following up following up and only once and not repeating it or following up a completely fabricating it like okay coin did there's one exchange coin floor out of UK that is produced 60 months in a row of proof of reserves. They're tiny little tiny little UK change, but they've been around for a while. I think it's 60 months is five years. I've been around for at least five years. That's pretty long time in the space providing proof of reserves every month. That's 2014. That's pretty long. Yeah, so we have some unknown exchange leading the way on on proof of reserves, which is something we probably don't talk about enough on this podcast is something that is enabled with this technology. That should be demanded by the market. Do you think so Whatevs never really been possible before Bitcoin, I think now that it's possible that yeah, it should be demanded. I mean at least some I'm surprised some Services haven't risen to the occasion just to attract business, you know, like at least a couple of them should be doing full-blown badass proved Reserves. Pick and coin floor there if I went and read their their monthly report, like it's very very nice put together very easy to read and very step by step here. Here's the hash of what we proved. We have you can go double-check it cross-reference it using these steps and suede should be like, it should be like a monthly investor report should be at the bottom like, oh by the way, here's our proved reserves to make sure give you some comfort that we actually had the money that that were saying you have access and ownership out of Honor. That form but then like on the other side like they have all these, you know, USD and Euro liabilities and what not that they can't ever give you proved reserves of that. So you're still You know the proven reserves isn't a bulletproof. I guess like especially something like an ETF or something like that proved reserves extra. I would say is like extra important. right because then they can give you the full hundred percent what you need to see there's no Fiat Holdings on the side that That complicate the picture. Yeah, because I can exchange. Could I have full? They could have their full Bitcoin like, you know full everything they need for Bitcoin the right amount of Bitcoin and I've no no USD and their bank accounts if they needed to if there was like if they were using proven reserves. That's what they would have to do. Well, that's what Nick that's what Nick brought up and in his article as well. Like some of these exchanges to could easily game this by like buying Bitcoins moving it to a wallet exactly before or something like that. And then it's the opposite effect because then the exchanges that are hurting and that our The amount they should be at their like insolvent put themselves in even more risky position by getting into like Kylie vile volatile Bitcoin instead of holding cash positions, right? So that could even have like a knock-on effect to be worse. Yeah, but this is in the current Paradigm or living like in a future hypothetical Bitcoin eyes world. Do you think think it makes more sense? Yeah. I mean there should be like proved reserves for everything. Yeah, I was thinking. Yeah, and like proven reserves and like multisig just lots of multi cigs with you know, like when you enter different contracts and stuff, you'll have like a third party are you know just executors? Yeah, exactly handling any disputes and and not only will you have proven reserves will also have proof of no one party can move it. Yeah, slowly but surely slowly but surely be aware. These things are coming. We're getting there quicker than That's what I thought. We were going to get in the pen. I wrote it about Arrow yesterday. It's like Bitcoins quickly becoming more scalable more efficient more private more robust. Another thing not on the list that came out this week Block Street and push an update for the satellite. It's now extremely more efficient for CPU on the CPU or less burdensome on CPU. So they're running on the same chip now is the noddle. Yeah, which is pretty cool. Yeah, so it's just making it more accessible with with cheaper Hardware. So again, that's a it's a different transaction relay option to users the satellite and that's just getting easier to use now. It seems like everything is getting easier to use quicker like the Wasabi treasure like they're not even treasure just Sabe Hardware compatibility. I thought that would take a while to implement but it seems like it's pretty easy to kind of cheese did on our show with us when he was on with us. Yeah, it's crazy to see that that exists or if it feels like just six months. Ago we were talking about testing out Wasabi and it's already implemented inside. These are just fucking beast over there. They're just fucking killing it all the time. Keep killing it. Yeah, I mean that was Sabe news. Is it just like such a big deal that I could tell people, you know, like by a hardware wallet usually with wasabi. You know have a full load use with Sabe should be good for 99% of situations. Yeah, it's happening faster faster than I expected moving to the macro scene to the geopolitical scene seems like the US has sanctioned Cuba Venezuela and one other bag, I believe Nick grew up Nicaragua. Yeah. There you go there with the thousand-dollar remittance cap every three months.No, no, so you just Cuba as a ribbon in Sky just keep as a ribbon and then they sanctioned the Central Bank of Venezuela and then these sanctions Financial Services business in Nicaragua, but the so the remittance cap is that's the big one. That's a big one, especially where Bitcoins involved. Yeah. So that's 3 billion dollars that Americans at least in 2016. I imagine it's gone up that Americans sent back. Back home to the Cuban relatives every year three billion dollars and now they're capped at a thousand dollars a month per President others every three months. Yeah, so thousand dollars a quarter four thousand dollars a year a math finally some good masam, easy math. Thank God. It's pretty pretty fucked up. But again, it proves hurdle through which Bitcoin can Route Around. Yeah. I made it just like this is it's kind of ridiculous that any given country can tell you that you can send to like like the European Union and I've ever someone else but do you do European Union came out, you know, like they were like, this is ridiculous. It's like a horrible idea. They they're not having any sanctions on their side. So Bitcoin can freely move in and out of the country through the other, you know for Arbitrage or whatnot and it highlights a very hairy situation that we're finding ourselves in a specially as the geopolitical landscape heats up and sort of tensions rise on the On stage. Once you have these sort of disagreements between like un countries NATO countries when you're sanctioning stuff just inherent attack vectors for friction and and tumult that Bitcoin is sort of just doesn't even have to worry about it sort of completely separate and could provide the solution where people are like, all right, this stuff is getting to a point where it's unworkable. It's too political. It's too much of a bureaucracy. R. C excuse me that this just presents an easier less system with less friction. Yeah. I mean like at the end of the day like Bitcoin makes these kind of rules unenforceable and that's why when people say like oh Bitcoin is too expensive, you know, it's too complicated all these different things like that's the cost for being able to send a payment, you know back home. Your family members when you otherwise wouldn't be able to like you're not going to be able to like send Ripple payments back to Cuba, you know, like that's because it's a centralized system. Like if people do that like they will shut it down. So so like that's that it just highlights the value prop like so clearly and then when you have like Venezuela Central Bank getting sanctioned like that highlights it from a completely different angle like this, you know, the Cuban story is is is more about the individuals and people but But in Venezuela like the corrupt government over there is going to want to move more into Bitcoin because they're because their Central Bank is is sanctioned. Yeah and speaking of not even corrupt governance. Well, yeah corrupt governments and sort of countries with the ability to take bigger risks because of their current situations. We have not confirmed this it's been hard to confirm. There's a new story about meetings in the Middle East. It seems that Afghanistan and Tunisia are talking about exploring have you looked into that at all? I've looked into it and like so like there's one little blurb and I think it's not real. Yeah. It might I haven't I didn't have a check. They said blockchain. So that's here's the it was a horrible Source. It was news BTC which no one should ever go to any get a news BTC. There was a there was a this was an Asia today. I was someone tagged us in a news BTC. Yeah thing on top, so I went to I went to try to find like the the at least the something closer to the source Asia today and Bitcoin was brought up but so was blockchain and Hyper Ledger is know something could have been Lost in Translation, but at least they're talking about I'm really I don't know. I guess I don't know. Well if they let's this is this is a this is a risk it for the biscuit not full information call out here because hey if gamma Stan is thinking about denominating some bonds and back when you heard it here first. That's the that'll be the real. You know, that'll first of all, I really don't think it's I don't think it's a true true story. But yeah. No, I think it's I think the meetings definitely did happen and the conversation was brought up its what are they trying to make a gov coin or know the probably just do like a blockchain bond or something? Yeah, whatever. It's just buzzwords buzzwords. All right. Sorry for that buzzword. I think I haven't looked into it. So maybe you know, maybe you're right. Maybe it's good. If I am right you heard it here first. I think that will be a game changer when you know Afghanistan starts issuing. That's when the world to start taking notice of Bitcoin. Is there something you want to talk about? There's a couple apps in Europe. We've been obviously stacking SATs on the weekend. Make sure if you're stacking sats are doing so in a very table SEC sex ads response. Yes tax that's responsibly don't flaunt big buys on Twitter, especially if you have a real name, but obviously we've been stacking Sanders Wasabi use Wasabi as well were US citizens. We can only use certain apps. We've had European freaks join in are stacking sets at her days and we've seen two apps in particular get bitter and Amber were members Australian Amber's Australian get bitter is Europe. And as Europe France, I believe we're Francis and England now, that's right. Yeah. I don't know if they officially exited yet. I mean, there's still part of Europe, right? I don't know even though they're not part of the year. It's all very confusing to me. No one will ever know. We'll never know. I heard they have to vote again. The yeah, so get bitter is a cool. It seems kind of cool, but but I guess basically you give them an address and then whenever you transfer money to them from your bank account, they just automatically put the deposit of Bitcoin your address to the like non-custodial Fiat to bitcoin Gateway. It's like an Azteca Wellness. I mean buddies, you're like sending them Bank transfers, but if you do it automatic transfer like you can basically every week just funds get deposited to an address of your choosing. It's kind of cool. It's very cool. So I don't know if it's legit or not. So if any of you have used it, it doesn't allow American. So if any of you have used it, let us know if you hate it or if you love it, if it's just kind of decent. Yeah, the neighbor just seems like a Bamber looks badass. Yeah, it's it's explain it. It's like I think the app is called like a corn in America. Yes where they like take your change and invest it for you like any purchase you make if you have like a little spare left over to round up to the dollar like they take that amount and they buy Bitcoin with it. Yeah, so like goes with the involuntary stacking sites, like he thinks like yeah, like constant small bars constant typing sort of you Australian freaks. If you're using that app or have used it. Let us know. We're trying to expand the apps through which you can stack SATs is kashyap's only so only us and we have a global audience. It's crazy. So it's nice if we can leverage them to like that's awesome. Yeah, so like tweeted at us maybe get tweeted at us. Keep stacking SATs, but also stack responsibly that's a couple weeks ago. People were getting a little outlandish out there. It's gonna be okay Marty. I hope so Bitcoin is always get a little bit outlandish. It's true comes with the territory. Yeah, that's all we got on topics this week got a few minutes to riff. What what are you thinking? Well, I have a couple things to rip about this time since I didn't have riff brought Matt snap brought notes. I guess it's not a river if I if I brought notes so we have I have I got two more reports of people getting their kyc block to finance another kick kick getting their non kyc account locked and kyc forced on them. And so far like the common denominator is that everyone was using just like a VPN service like a shared VPN service, so I think they might be like flagging VP and IP IP addresses Yes, if you're trading shit coins on finance be where they're tracking IP addresses. Yeah, I mean there are well. We always knew there were tracking IP addresses that's just should be a flagging iPlayer their flagging them and forcing kyc. So if you have a non kyc account with them, just just I mean you should be using a VPN when you connect to their service which is kind of ridiculous, but that they would flag them in the first place. But if so, if you do just you got to assume that you're going to have to give them kyc at some point or just forfeit your funds. So just be aware. Be aware. Yeah, I haven't had a phone for the last three days have been pretty therapeutic was for fun this we've got a lot more sleep not having a phone like next to your bed. You haven't had a phone for three days three days. That's pretty crazy. Like why so you got a new one? I am trying to get a new one. I was telling you this before the podcast you obviously weren't listening. Yeah, but you told me but I did you did not say three days three days is crazy three days. Yeah. Well these telecom companies move at a snail's pace Prince website is one of the worst websites. Ever used and just docks my phone care. Now. You gotta change it. That's good because it's Prince fucking sucks. So you should change it. But that's what Tara I'm like, I mean you're telling us I was I'm almost ashamed to admit. I'm getting off the family pan. Now she's like kind of dog shit. I don't know. You're just talking yourself left and right. Yeah. All right, maybe I won't rip off this long story short. It's pain in the ass to take it off the family plan. Start your own plan and keep your number. Yeah, just stay on the family plan forever. That'd be bad as to feel. It feels dirty at this point. You could always just like pay them under the table with Bitcoin when you're a married man. I just just send you know, just send you send your parents lightning payments for you can give them a little bit extra to make it worth their while you just stay on it. I'm not sure if lat Lightnings at the point at which my parents are using a that is it just send them on chain payments so bad. So I also I thought it was interesting just to get back to bitcoin that. Luke Martin interviewed Arthur Hays recently. Yes talking about SPX swaps, right? Yes. He is. He is talking about, you know, being able to trade basically equities. Yeah, but yeah, like derivatives of them are whatever but he also reiterated their Firm Stance against kyc. So they don't accept you as customers, but there's no he like Like how important it was that they that they don't do kyc and I just thought in dichotomy to like house easy and violence is currently handling their kind of ways kyc procedure. That's that's pretty interesting. Well, this is what you said last week towards the end of the episode is any exchange like every Shane is their way to get market shares to come in be anti KY caml allow people to just rush on and eventually they get too big to not kyc. Sea and the wind up doing it, but Max is arguably one of the biggest economic drivers in Bitcoin and is still a stalwart and denying that and the my blank and Arthur Arthur Hays like reiterates that last week is he's he's coming out. But yeah, we still have to comply now like his Arthur Hays and there's badass CEO in the world right now. Is yeah, I'm a I'm a huge fan. I think he's just it's like just even from where they they said their principles like in the right place to begin with because they have the whole business is run through Bitcoin. They have no Fiat, you know entrances or exits. They have no altcoins they allow you to trade altcoins, but they only accept and withdraw Bitcoin everything is just priced and based in Bitcoin like that is for more secure. Point of view and from like a regulatory Arbitrage point of view. It gives you like super, you know movement their big long time thinkers, their long-term thinkers and their research page but backs research is one of the best blogs in the space from a from a tactical perspective. They just put out like how much miners have lost mining Bitcoin SV Bitcoin cash SV I think it was five million dollars since Inception 5.4 million dollars and they're just acceptable to attack at any given time and also the vision has been that just useless security and it seems like they're they're not going to be traded on many exchanges for much longer. Yes, they did get it delisted CZ drop the hammer on them put it away. I have a lot of complaints about CZ but he's also just he just does what he wants to do I was Like why were they like cracking also delisted after that and they were like people were giving Jesse Powell shit about it. And he was like, they're suing us. They're like, they're fucking suing them over the handling of the checkpoint Bitcoin cash is checkpoint, which also you know, but they're suing them over that and he's like, well you expect me to list your coin while Oh, you're fucking suing me. Yeah. Yeah, don't bite the hand that feeds. Yeah, so then Bitcoin cash changes feed you liquidity, but we've said for a while that all these guys were like, it's all trending to 0 this just just look at the people who are involved freaks. They are just like just from a pure character analysis. They are terrible people. That's all I'm gonna say. I mean, yeah, I guess it's a question of argument but Is it though? Yeah, because you but I'd still the fork is a minority for its worthless and centralize it provides no value whatsoever. And it's also, you know controlled by some very horrible people. Yes, this is true. All right, we're four minutes above our one-hour time. Thanks for joining us this week for X-Men. Any last words stay humble stack sets. peace and love

This week Marty and Matt discuss: - Satoshi's Treasure https://satoshistreasure.xyz/ & https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeawYh0POJhlKjaUM4Gor240vH_yVN9Urni7VjPYlh4Z5rlRA/viewform?usp=sf_link - Reports from CoinMetrics and TradeBlock dispute Reuters $100M whale story - https://tradeblock.com/blog/analyzing-the-bitcoin-price-surge-in-april and https://twitter.com/coinmetrics/status/1118603910522994688?s=20 - Wasabi Wallet hardware wallet support in testing - https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/blob/master/WalletWasabi.Documentation/Guides/20190416HardwareWalletTestingGuide.md - lLND 0.6.0 - static channel backup --- release notes: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/releases --- Channel backup guide: https://wiki.ion.radar.tech/lightning-technology/research/static-channel-backups  - Lightning Powernode Launcher will default to Tor https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/1117567495680950272?s=20 - Nodl update-  https://1ml.com/node/0331f80652fb840239df8dc99205792bba2e559a05469915804c08420230e23c7c - hodlnaut BTCPay fundraiser - https://weareallhodlonaut.com/ - US Sanction Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua - https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/714552854/trump-administration-announces-measures-against-cuba-venezuela-and-nicaragua - Proof of Solvency piece - https://medium.com/@nic__carter/how-to-scale-bitcoin-without-changing-a-thing-bc4750dd16c7 & https://blog.coinfloor.co.uk/post/183567327051/provable-solvency-report-60-march-2019 - paywall.link and lightningscratchcard.io Shoutout to this week's sponsor, Unchained Capital.

Hey afterbuzzers, before we move on we would like to say thanks to our sponsor. Anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. Plus there's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Also anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many more plus you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership, and it's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor a Or go to incurred FM to get started. Welcome to another episode of Basketball Wives. This is season 8 episode 10 and the ponderosas continue, but can we just have some mimosas instead? We're going to talk about the court and how they cannot keep order in it. So stay tuned for all that and more. You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now. Let them go. Hey guys. This was a very intense episode. It was very funny. I'm so excited to talk all about it. I'm your host Miss Conversation Piece and to my left. I have Brianna Cheyenne. She's going to talk about all the tweets. And she is a fashionista. So she has the info point the invasion of the closet snatchers plus we have news and gossip and we're going to make some predictions. So stay tuned to the end. Leave a comment like subscribe. Let us know how you feel Briana. What do you feel about the overall thoughts of of this episode? Well, you know, I couldn't stop laughing at every single scene because it was always some Foolery going on. So it was just it was it was finally a bit light-hearted for me compared to all the other episodes. So I was glad I got some Chuckles do it what it was light-hearted but we saw some people get put out the party, you know, another fight in the court Dion he was going all the he's that's a whole topic that is a whole topic. They're saying don't bring Outsiders in to the circle, but I feel like all these ladies besides like the original. Oh, geez were Outsiders at one point. So yeah, absolutely, but it's It's less about being an outsider for me and more about the fact that you're a grown man acting like this cause I'm genderless by first of all your biggest he'll make your to ear you shouldn't be yelling at women like that getting involved in women's business and as aggressive as you were regardless, that wasn't what he was there for Jackie said you're here to comment when I call on you and tell them I didn't have anything to do with it. And I feel like his whole presence wasn't needed because he didn't do what he was supposed to do. Yeah. Yeah, but he always stops out online because this isn't the first time Deion has jumped into somebody's business and I think Jackie knows that that's his personality and she likes that he's a heel back her up like a bulldog and that's why she keeps bringing him back because if she had a problem with his behavior, she wouldn't keep bringing him into every situation she has when she knows she has tension coming her way. Yeah. Well, let's just get into what the tension is. Of course. Malaysia is feeling that Jackie is the culprit in the rumor Gates. She's the one bringing it to everybody. I kind of the way that she brought it to Jin like hey, did you say this? I didn't feel like anything was wrong with that. But when she did keep going around and when she was with Evelyn and made the phone call. I think she was wrong there. You don't think she should have talked to Anthony. Well, I just feel like not at that moment. No, I feel like she should have had Malaysia there if she was going to if she was always just like Jackie took when they first brought this home. Okay, when she was telling Evelyn and everyone's like let's call him like that's where it starts. So you're talking about that scene. I thought you were talking about Malaysia shouldn't have talked to Anthony. Okay, I get what? Yeah, even even when they did it this episode. I feel like they shouldn't have done it with gin and Dominique there. I feel like they would have got more out of Of the conversation if Anthony was able to speak freely and not be cut off by Dominique saying no, I didn't say that. You know, I just feel like we may have gotten a little more information. I agree. I think we would have gotten more information. However, it was fair that Jennifer and Dominique were there because their names were brought into it, especially Dominique being very new to the group if I was her I would want to be there too because I don't know you Anthony. I only know Jennifer I just met Malaysia barely know Evelyn, but I have all this drama in my name being brought up with people and their kids and Dominique has a mother too, but I kind of believe that it could have been saying I don't know for sure because it's kind of hazy went on but didn't Jan talked about shaunie's. Yeah, and that's somebody's kid. So exactly and she's a known liar. Hello. So I don't and it's so it's so hard because I want to believe that she didn't do it because she really seems adamant that she didn't but China for a girl like When you lie all the time, it's hard to believe you and boy who cried wolf. Yes, exactly. So but what I also didn't like was how Evelyn was basically throwing Jackie under the but he Malaysia. What are you doing? Do we not see what everyone is doing funny? I thought it was so funny. I thought it was so Evelyn and because and and the back not because Evelyn is it the spotlight and like isn't in the spotlight. I think that's why she's able to kind of make a joke of it and play all sides in this way because she can be messy from far away like it aside. Jackie's going ballistic. She's just like she wants to fight everybody but who ended up on the floor? Somebody was like what a Malaysia is cousins is trying to jump in it's more of them girls. They to my backer looking dudes, but girl, I need some more people. I lost I lost it when I saw somebody on the ground and I was like, oh my God, what is going up? No, white or white at the skate park. This is the thing though the producers and even think she was important enough to show her calling or anything. They just show this person and white laid out and oh, yeah. Oh my God, everybody needs to calm down, but then Kristen comes outside with Jackie. She wants to know what happened. It was just a big. Like this she gets put out the party. Yeah, she can't come back because do you feel like Jackie should have been put out the party. Yes. She came in she turned it up and then she had to go. That's not what Kristen had the party for Kristen through this party because she wanted with the science a positive vibes. Only Jackie did not come in with positive at the moment. She stepped in. No, she did Malaysia came to her like facts. Max I stand corrected Malaysia did go to her. That's why I mean you look cute. Like let me go to the bathroom. And then yeah, it was me. But when everything really hit a high peak of tension after Jackie started getting like okay Molly sugar doughnut like going crazy. What if someone that's hex you you're gonna especially if you're Jack you're going to retaliate and I feel like that's when the chair started throwing but and that she had it going. And towards Kristen with her back to her. That's why I know I always said Jackie's not about it. Just how just like with Phoebe. They both went after each other and both of them got bowled when security got around there was open space and opportunity between the both of them and nobody wanted to step towards a neck like this is the thing if you actually make contact and you're the first person I think they have repercussions. So if you're the first one to throw the punch then you get either suspended so don't act like you're ready to risk it all if you're not Into if you're in the back of your mind, you're thinking I don't wanna bring my contract. I don't wanna get fired don't act like you're willing to risk it. Yeah, I don't know what they're thinking. I don't know either but Shaunie comes in. She was looking so cute on her flower pepper. Yes. She look really cute. And then oh gee, I don't know what she was just the best but that was just like a 90s. I guess cheated look the cheetah shirt and the booty shorts that like 90s. I don't know what it was. I mean, I still just like that now but but I just like the 90s to I'm when you said, oh gee the first thing that popped into my head with hers Barcelona suit, you like it. Oh because I mean people always talking about. Oh geez outfits like Evelyn is talking about the toe and OG comes in. She's like, why are you talking about my toes? Like I wasn't feeling that yeah, and I don't know. She's like that. They handled it like that though. It was like harder question to the side. It was but Evelyn saying that all your big bad and bold but when Talk about your tell your sensitive like what they have to do with anything. I don't know. I don't know but I mean we're we're women like we're going to pick on each other about little petty things about. Oh, you're a she your nails are chipped. Like that's just what we do. So if you can't take the heat get out the kitchen. Well a lot of he has been taken off of Kristen and Tom is they've been able to I guess get on a good foot with Byron will Thomas has anyway, he got a chance to sit down with his dad. And and hash things out and I think they're on the road to making a good family gathering soon. Maybe if everybody can apologize like Kristen wants to apologize. She admits that she's wrong. I think she was wrong all along like I don't know why it's taking so long for her to now when I apologize. I don't think she felt it would go this far or I think it's cuz she could she convinced herself that CeCe was the issue and it was CC and Byron's ear and now that she has Thomas finally confirming. It's not see see it's your own words that cause Byron to have this issue now she can finally say, okay. Well now I'm sorry and it sucks that it had to come to that. Yeah, it's Nots but um, I don't know. I just feel like they don't like CeCe and they're like kind of bully her and I feel like they felt that their position in the family would be able to get Cece, you know replaced or something like that because if you started out as friends and then you switched on her like that's what CeCe said she basically switched on her on the show and there was no reason like you didn't have a problem before the show like you weren't saying. Oh, I don't like how Cici moves before the show like you were her clothes. So yeah, that's kind of strange to me like it's definitely Change but just like CeCe said she doesn't care about the relationship of with her Byron's kids and her and I feel her and yeah, it's an easier life to not care. So hey do what you got to do? Yeah, like even when they were talking in the kitchen he was telling her that you're not going to these little missy events. Stay here with me. We're going to be forgotten so quickly. Yeah, but they're enjoying their selves like they don't need to be in all of this even with the Kristen and Tom as they have their own lives. Like let's meet for a Christmas dinner. Thanksgiving dinner and just birthdays and just call it a day like we don't have to do all this. Yeah, but as a family if you used to be in close-knit, I could see like oh, well, we live down the street. Can we just visit each other? I don't know. How do you how do you feel about like family? And when there's I want to say just drama but just just having your own life, it's your family. Well personally, I feel my mental health comes before anything. So at the End of the day the only person that really 100% matters to me is my mom as long as my mom is good. That's all I care about when you have toxic people in your family. You don't want to force yourself to be around them. Just because their blood because I have friends that I trust and I love and I hold closer to me than I do family members. So it's more about the respect you give me versus what our connection is. So if your mom was to marry someone else and you were very close to your dad and you You know still were after the divorce and she married someone that you didn't like would you still visit her as often? Well, I mean that's kind of hard to say because my mom would never put me in that position. But I guess if she did I would because I can't allow my bond with my mom to strain because of this man trusting my mom. I know she's going to know how to balance out our time and not make me feel cut off and still make him feel however special he needs to feel Well, I feel like my brain is working on their he's saying, you know when Cece's telling him about what's going on with Malaysia and Jackie. He's like well Malaysia is not a liar. That's my cousin. Exactly. So I feel like he wants it to get back to the way it was but he also wants to protect CC and he loves CC and it's almost like when you love to people and you just they just can't get along so I don't know what to do in that instance, but hopefully because he he is so I guess chill like I don't know. I like CeCe. I don't see her causing any problems like she wants the family together. So I think it'll work out. Yeah, I don't think CC cares enough to want to make any issues mild Miley Downey. I'm sorry. She said Jackie brought the rumor to the group in addressed it with the people who allegedly spread it. What is so wrong? That's how I feel then she said she had just brought it up to Malaysia. It went if she had she just brought it to Malaysia. It would have been gossip. Kristen is dangerous and so is her friend Jen. They're messy and then she said not oh and then one lover rsr said Jackie bringing this rumor to everyone except Malaysia is proof that she was trying to stir the pot. I don't think so because Jackie never say those extra things that people were saying like all the kids are dirty. Oh, yeah. She basically went basically went to Jen and was like did you say Anything about Malaysia and she's like hello. What know and then when she goes with Evelyn, she's like man. I heard Jim was talking about Evelyn and it with this guy named Anthony and the Evelyn was like, let's call Anthony. So I don't think Jackie was stirring the pot. I didn't leave some things work, you know cut out of editing maybe but I didn't hear her say anything. I don't think so either. I think it's just basic miscommunication because Jackie genuinely just wanted to know of if Jen It was saying stuff about Malaysia so she could tell her put an end to it. However, do I think Jackie should have went straight to Malaysia from the beginning. Yes, because it would have put a stop to all of this very quickly. However, I think Malaysia still talking about it makes it seem like Jack he's the one who started the rumor originally instead of communicating it as I'm mad at Jackie for spreading it within the group and that's what Jack he's not really getting. Yeah. That's the only thing you have she should have said and with her friend, but so when they decide to have this court, you know her and OG there go shopping to rent furniture and oh jeez taking this seriously because you I don't know if you guys know she's in law school. So this is why she's basically doing this mock court and acting as the judge booty and what's so funny is when they decide to have the court they just send his generic invite like the Ponderosa. Yeah. It's so they don't want the girls to know it's corn because they don't feel like they're going to show up. Do you feel like they would have showed up if they would have told nothing happening. Well, you know what? I don't know. I think I think they still would have because everybody knows Ponderosa is Jackie's word. So they knew she was involved in they still showed up. So I think there probably would have just for the laugh of seeing how far they're going to go with this court theme. Yeah. Malaysia wasn't having it neither. ER was Evelyn, but they decide to city and Jackie participate. I'm sorry Shawnee participating verily barely. She's just like let me just give you the feeling like not really but do you feel like Jackie should have called the guy first or she--'cause she called herself as a witness and I'm like side of the story. So what are we doing? Like? Oh gosh. You can call Dion for yeah, cuz she called herself first. I don't think Dion would. A plausible witness I use on the debate team. So I don't think Dion would have been a possible witness because he's biased he's going to say whatever rules and Jackie's fever. So he's not even a good person to bring on the stand but every win is is that like if you're going to jail and you bring a witness there for your favor, right? No, not necessarily because they're I mean they're if you you bring a witness not the prosecution or your your offense. True. I mean if I have a witness and I'm bringing them but it's mainly because if you're going to swear on the Bible, you're expected to tell the truth and so because this isn't a real courtroom setting but this is a serious issue you're trying to put on the table and get resolved you want as many unbiased people as possible and Dion yelling at women talking about calling them out their name and all this stuff. I'm not going to listen to of course, you're going to tell me that Jackie didn't do this. Yeah. It's not going to change anything. Well, absolutely. The only person that needs to be objective is the judge and OG did a great job at that. But Dion was definitely out of line for coming at the ladies like that vulgar language and Evelyn put him in his place, but it's just it just started. Like I don't know he should have been there but the ladies are saying don't bring in Outsiders and I unin Malaysia was also saying that she would never take the word of an outsider over her friend. I don't know. I mean what can we say because these friends I learned to each other. It seems like I've never someone to be like No New Friends, that's period. You know, you never really know what someone is capable of if you put them in the situation so I don't see what saying no Outsiders is going to solve it sounds like it's just more something within yourself and your trust with that person what I wanted them. Get resolved in the courtroom was find out how Jackie got in touch with Anthony. I feel like that would have been a yeah questions. I hasn't anybody asked the hello and that's why people are thinking that it's Jackie's friend. And yeah and Jennifer even said well, why hasn't he said anything bad about you? He said something about about everybody else and I never really thought of that my oh Jackie this is not gonna say anything bad about everybody else. He only said Jim was talking crap about Malaysia and Dominique was there. He didn't like he went down a line like Evelyn she did this with Chad and Phoebe. I don't know why she on the show like he didn't do that. Well, we have to remember that. This isn't Phoebe's not relevant because this is why they're taping so he doesn't know that there is even a Phoebe. Okay. Well Shawnee he didn't bring up shiny. He didn't bring up any one else can bring up OG. I don't feel like he was talking about everybody and just left Jackie out. I don't believe that but Jennifer thinks It may be wrong with Jackie initially what therapy? I think they all need more therapy. Right? Jin is still going through the grieving process. So you can't really speak on somebody needing therapy honey. Like it's a little bit much but miss Sorry Miss cat's life said Evelyn started yelling at him first because they did not want him to tell the truth. No, they yelled at him because this man came out of his neck. Talking crazy. I'm sorry your approach. If you have give you are consistently a disrespectful person in your approach. I'm going to shut you down every single time you open your mouth towards me the moment your tone gets too crazy the moment your voice elevates. I'm shutting you down. So when Evelyn blew up on him, I saw a lot of me in that so I don't I don't believe Anthony when Malaysia was on the phone with him trying to figure out what was going on with Jen and Dominique sitting there but dumb Kind of put him in his place. Like I don't even know you ya know Ashley. So where did Anthony come from and who is at the gospel here? Is he part of production? I was about to say I lo que want to say he's a production intern because this is Anthony and then there's a Ashley out of nowhere like we're all these hmm. Yeah, that's so strange. We gotta find out Anthony kid. You reach out to us. I know who gave you the information how you met Jackie. This is indium. Cuz he seems like a very much of a fan of the show. I hope he gets to go to the reunions and and we can see his face the who Anthony. Yes. I want to put a face to this name and we'll give you know an extra five minutes of fame. Oh good. Okay, and speaking of faces Evelyn is still working on her CBD skin line looking gorgeous. She's doing a photoshoot Phoebe shows up and she reveals that she's going to meet with Gigi and you know, she feels bad about not staying connected. our after, you know hard Chad divorced she moved on very quickly after the divorce got what Carl had a baby so she didn't want called a feel like by her keeping in contact with the 14 year old young lady that she was still in contact with Chad, but I do feel like Evelyn did the right thing by Being a woman and walking away from domestic violence because there's a lot of women that give them another chance or you know say it's okay and they get caught up in the cycle. And on top of that Gigi was there to witness that and she has Chinese that's another young lady that she's raising. So it's very important for her to be that kind of role model. I feel like absolutely I mean that goes without saying it's it's just really unfortunate that Gigi was there to actually witness it because hearing about it is one thing but seeing it and watching the Send being drove up driving off in an ambulance after and then it was your dad. It's crazy, but also kudos to Gigi for being able to continue a relationship with Evelyn because they could be super awkward and she could want to cut her off just because she might feel some type of awkwardness. But I like that there's a continuing relationship. It definitely could have caused some awkwardness because this is mainly what ruined Ochocinco as career like this incident right here. He was playing football he Was very successful. So you got to think this young lady. She's you know, probably been spoiled by her dad and now he is without a job, you know, so but the thing is do you feel like Chad could be mad at Gigi the same way Byron is mad at Kristen or Thomas for continuing a relationship with Evelyn at this point. Chad me man. And you know, you don't think Chad would be managing. You know, I mean, it's known that he's he doesn't mind it and he likes that They are able to have their own conversation. I mean chat has no animosity towards Evelyn, but this is the first time they met in since then. It's been a it's been a minute. This is the first meeting. Yeah, but there have been media things in the past that have shown Chad not having animosity towards Evelyn and being a being happy for her moving on with her life because he's had a child since then to so they both move on. So no Chad doesn't have an issue. You think I don't necessarily know but I'm just I just think it's kind of weird like it's almost like this is my family. I mean he's responsible for it because he did it so he can't be mad at anyone but himself but I just feel like if someone caused some kind of detriment to my family, especially my mom and my dad I don't think I would want to be in touch with them, but I'm sure in the midst of her relationship with Chad. She grew close to the girl and yeah, you know, I don't know. Mom is but maybe she wants to be close to Evelyn for various reasons. You know what I mean? I don't know even if she was close to Shanice. So, you know, it's always good to have a positive female role model in your life. But I've just been seeing Evelyn do a lot on this show and some things that she does do are not positive. I'm glad to see her working on her her business and all of that but you know, she turns up a lot she does. Does but I will say I mean the only times you really see Evelyn turning up is on the show and when they're not shooting the show, you don't really hear anything else. So part of me is just says okay. This is Basketball Wives Evelyn and the everyday Evelyn isn't really like this. Hmm. I need to re-watch the episode of in Yong Le fix my life be if that's really real. Maybe. Well, let's get into our special segment invasion of the closets. No, yes. Little bit into it. So we have Jackie Christie versus Angel Brinks. Now, this is a really interesting pair because they are super super super opposite. And every type of way Jackie is the queen of black all black everything very simple. And then Angel brings his queen of drama Jules hair colors Dramatic Makeup and all that stuff always showing her skin and curves. So based off. This will not the pictures, but just knowing how both these These ladies dress who's closet, which you snatch I'm going to have to say Jackie because I'm definitely one that wears a lot of black a lot of times. However, I do like to spice it up a little bit have a little tight fitting dress with some bling bling on it. But I feel like Angel takes it too far. Sometimes like it's too much. Yeah. So it's a fine line of being too much in being too simple. So I feel like you can never go wrong with a little black dress facts, so I would like Jackie's closet that's I feel the same way. I would definitely pick Jackie's closet also just like you said Angel takes it to another level and it comes off very costume me. Yeah, and I don't want to feel like I'm putting on a production when I just want to go out across the street and get some milk. So I would definitely get Jackie's closets. All right, cool. Yo. Well, let's get into the trend in tweeze this even tweets that we find from all the super fans watching the show basketball-wise. Yes, so at Miss Keisha 20, Six said Lord y'all are all too old for this and ones it everyone start believing Jennifer and that's what I'm trying to say. Exactly leave a comment. Let us know or Anthony has nine seven. Seven. Nine said Phoebe's mouth is going to write a check her as can't cash chick is sneaky as a fellow. The way back up our words ladies. Yes, leave you from Brooklyn - no Phoebe. Please represent girls that embarrass us was coasters at Lee. Oh, that's too many numbers. Can y'all please understand that Evelyn is talking about Jackie entertaining the rumor and bring it to the group in the first place. Obviously, once she heard it. She called to confirm but Jackie is the one who brought it brought Anthony and his rumors into the group. That's what I am saying. I don't agree with it. Evelyn is the one who called Anthony Jack The Jackie brought it up and Jackie's brought it up and that led to Daleville and calling. Yeah, I last tweet is from at chem Killa Kemp Killa. Okay at our site and killer what the heck Rihanna get to be together baby. Killer every baby. Killer Brianna, please. Oh my gosh Hooked on Phonics if Jackie was really a friend. 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I don't know if Spotify allows that but just show us love share it tell all your friends to watch us and listen to us. Let's get into our news and gossip. Found a little news in line vh1.com and they're talking about all the times Malaysia Pargo has proven. She's a real one. Yeah, it's been a lot of time. So we if we remember when her first introduction to the show Laura goes on and called her a hood rat and that's when Malaysia laid their hands on her day one. This was crazy. They had just both have babies. He has some other new cast members on the show that didn't even show back up. That was number one then if you don't recall when Angel called Brandy a bi yeah bi Malaysian showed up with her sweats on pulled up in front the store hopped out the car her to I get street. She didn't care. I'm like she rolled up one Angel then she also got into a what Megan James I don't know if you remember however Megan she broken glass and it was it was it was kind of crazy because Megan broke the glass and was like, I'm gonna do The thing in the Malaysian it was like, you know crazy but he's right. Yeah, we heard Brett blame her I'm ready together. I don't think he could be in control. Yes You and Brandi would have been at that skate party. I don't know. What would have happened to Jackie British. I don't know if you remember our no show you more of a pretty Brittany. She gets called out by Malaysia and Malaysia says, I give a general high. So Malaysia has several moments. It's that she's turned up on this show. You can check it out on vh1.com. Let's get into our next piece of news and gossip. I don't know if you guys remember the first season of Basketball Wives Dwight Howard's baby. Mama was on the show Reese. She's not on Roy something right? She's not on the show anymore. I don't know what she's been at but Dwight has a new boo. She's in college. He plays for Baylor University. She looks cute. She's into basketball. So he's showing her off and you know, he put a gag order on Roy's that was the first gagging to come into play on Basketball Wives. So I don't know. I hope this works out for the white and I mean she's in college. So I'm just like I see I'm actually looking that up right now because I mean older guys always like to date little young thing young tenders he is. Okay, so he's 33, okay. Okay, not too much older turning 34 this year. Okay, so she's in college. She's grown. It's okay. She's of age. That's all we can do and they have something in common basketball. So I think that my can coach her. He couldn't Mentor her. Maybe she don't win her games. Alright, and we have one last piece of news and gossip Basketball Wives star Tami Roman last week we talked about her freestyle that was explosive. And so she has been Out as a hypocrite by some of the fans of the Show recently. Yes, they're saying she's a hypocrite and basically let me pull up one. Yes, so she basically posted a photo of Halle Berry and Halle Berry was wearing a show this that says women Empower women and she was given her own. Look at your shirt girls support me get you because yes girl supporter of query. I like that. It's all it's about, you know taking care of your kitty cat. No, I mean The shirt? Yes, Peter Kahn. So basically Tammy posted on her page her Instagram page Halle Berry happy birthday and the commenter left a comment saying, how can you speak about uplifting women when you just outed a girl for sleeping with an NBA player you talk about growth and going one step 4, but what with that mindset you're going one step 4, but ten steps backwards real growth me. You don't fall for petty BS and lies on so-called reality shows you did the damage and deleted it. So now it can even create more Buzz shame on you for shaming gym. And that's not it because Tammy responds to I chi chi chi 18. Okay. This is what she said. Did you know that one post over is Tatiana Trill where you can leave this rhetoric about how bad I am for Finding myself against a person who lied and came for me when I have been minding my business since last year here is not the place for this comment is all about. Happy bday for Hallie over here. All right, so happy birthday Alan still looking beautiful. Hell yeah, Betty. Jean Coleman says her freestyle with everything nothing hypocritical about it. And she said Jennifer isn't a woman. She's an evil being but um Kay yeah it is. Bad when you're like evil but sneaky so it's like you're trying to be this innocent person like like that. I want you to own your ish like Evelyn she might be a little mean and evil, but we know what's going to come from her. Yeah, like at the gym. She just one of those like sneaky like girl. I love you. I know that those are the scary ones. Yeah, so let's get into our protection. Yeah, what's going to happen? Yeah that Montage it was a little crazy. I predict that so hard because I try not to base it off the previews. Yeah, but I predict that Phoebe is going to get into it with someone really bad. Whoo, Jackie Pop. I don't think Joe will Jackie's not putting hands on anybody. Jackie doesn't fight but I feel like she get my get into it with. Oh gee. I don't know. I just see her getting into it with somebody enough for her to get a little razzled maybe during the next big trip that they have she'll get into it with someone. I'm fingers crossed because she needs a reality check. Well, I feel like Jackie's going to be the one who gives it to her. She might not put hands on her, but when she goes to that party and calls her out Phoebe is like not want to come outside things. So I feel like she's going to eventually harrasing. I know I feel like she's eventually going to come outside. It's going to be a come to Ahead, but I feel like Jackie's going to come with some facts about whatever Phoebe's done and we don't know and Phoebe's going to have to own up. Like this is the first time I kind of saw her own up this episode when she was confronted and she's like, yeah I did but it was it was almost like she just knew it wasn't going to be any consequence. You know what I mean? Yeah, so that's the only reason I felt like she came clean true, but baby we got to get you into bed. Honey, we need to know what's going on inside your head honey. I need to know before we do sign off though. I do want to give a quick shout-out to Cameron Cruz 1974 here in the live chat. Yeah, just like showing so much love to us. He said panelists. It's always great to hear your Recaps and Analysis great work is always I look forward to watching your shows every week. Thank you so much Cameron. Appreciate you so much. I responded in the chat, but I want to make sure you got a special little highlight on tonight's show. I love it. Did anyone else? Have anything to say any tweets comments Carolyn mcmakin. Tosh said FUBU going to get it at the reunions. Oh Betty Jean Coleman also said FUBU going to feel going to feel too bad when they hit those clips at the reunions fact. Hello. Vic facts can't wait for Evelyn's reactions with those because she stays throwing her under the bus. Natalia says Evelyn is such a nasty chatty female calling ogm. Hanley's Soju not Yeah, I just really wonder how Phoebe's going to spin this around when the reason shows up. She's going to need extra security. I already see her walking off Matt times 12 point over the end of the couch. Yeah. She doesn't say anything about Malaysia because you know this Malaysia City and her cousins will be in a while. That's true. That's true. If you go giving you fair warning. Compton will come out. 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The ponderosa continues but can the ladies just have mimosas instead? After holding court the ladies still dont resolve rumor-gate. However thing are headed in a good direction with the Scott family. Tune in as Miss Conversation Piece and Breanna Chi’anne dish on episode 10! The Basketball Wives After Show: Welcome to the La La Land this spin off of where these lavish ladies who are formally linked to basketball stars. The BASKETBALL WIVES AFTER SHOW gives you the inside scoop on all of the drama that comes with being romantic with a baller with a California twist. Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show. ABOUT BASKETBALL WIVES: Basketball Wives LA is the Los Angeles based spin-off of Basketball Wives that premiered August 29, 2011, on VH1. It follows the lives of a group of women who have all been somehow romantically linked to professional basketball players. VH1 has renewed the series for a fourth season, which will premiere on July 12, 2015.

Welcome to Ghost of a podcast. I'm your host Jessica Lange yato. I'm an astrologer psychic medium and animal communicator and I'm going to give you your weekly horoscope and no bullshit mystical advice for living your very best life. You know by now that I have a book coming out astrology for real relationships understanding you me and how we all get along and it's going to be out December 31st. What you may not know is that if you pre-order the book you can get a free 20/20 astrological calendar that is super cute with images from within the bug and it has a bunch of dates that you really want for your year ahead like Mercury retrograde and direct and eclipses and other good Astro data. All you have to do is Order the book and whenever you can shop small shop local we order the book get your receipt and then follow the link that is in the show notes here and also on my website to enter your receipt and then you will get to download your own free 2020 astrological calendar. You need it. You want it? What are you waiting for? My love's were getting close to the end of the year. And so I thought it was a perfect time to do another episode of how the sausage is made where I answer a bunch of listener questions. I'll give you kind of a shorter answer two more things. So I'm going to do that. But before I do, let me just briefly tell you a little bit about something. I'm doing called Starstruck. It's a global astrology Summit that you can access from anywhere in the world. All you have to do is go to Astro style Dot. Um, / Jessica to buy your ticket and it's going to be really amazing. I think because it's some of the best living astrologers some of your absolute favorites. We're all coming together to give you some meaningful tools for the year ahead, you know astrologically so meet up with me and some of my Astro besties at Astro style.com Jessica. That's what you got to do. Now. Let's talk about how the sausage is made. Made, okay. So here are some questions I got from you guys and I wanted to start off with this one from a about animals a asks. I want to get your take as both an astrologer and an animal communicator on how astrology does or does not affect animals. I'm fostering a kitten who's background. I know nothing about and with the Vets estimate. She is either a Taurus or Gemini Sun. Unfortunately, I have no other information about her birth date or time, but it led me to wonder whether we can cast. Chart for our furry friends and how they react to planetary transits. So I'm really glad you asked me this question a because I have strong feelings about the answer. I do not believe that human astrology applies to cats or dogs or fish or horses. I don't believe that to be the case. Now. I'm not saying that astrology cannot be used in a way that supports or reflects the needs and trends of animals. But I'm not really interested in using astrology which is really the interpretation of astronomy to understand human Trends and applying it to domesticated animals. I don't think that really works. I mean, I don't think it works for non domesticated animals either but certainly not for domesticated animals and I Think It's Tricky when we start projecting astrological attributes to our animal friends, and I know tons of people do it and I know some astrologers are into it. But since you're asking me I say don't do that. Just just chat with your cat support her based on what she's showing you of who she is regardless of whether she's a gemini or a Taurus and whatever you think that means one other thing I can say is if you're concerned about how your furry friend is reacting to astrological transits. There's one easy way to approach that pay attention to the Moon the Moon moves really quickly. It goes through all the zodiac signs every single month so you can pay Mission for the day or two that the Moon is in any particular sign to see if your cat or your dog is responding differently to that lunar Transit. Now, I am going to guess that you're not going to see much of a difference TBH but maybe Newman's and full moons. You'll notice a difference but that just takes several months of paying attention which in my experience most people don't really have the patience to do but it is the most effective way of understanding how the moon impacts you or your furry friends. So you might want to approach it that way. I got a Other fantastic question from Sarah and Sarah says, I recently learned how to pull my solar return chart and I had to logistical questions about it because I'm traveling a lot and don't currently have a permanent home base. I use my location on my birthday this year to pull it which is in Iceland or as I guess you could say my home is in San Francisco, but I'm not there on a regular basis. Is that correct? Or should I have run it for San Francisco instead? My rising sign for the soul return chart is Leo while my name. No rising sign is Scorpio. Should I use this information to read my daily monthly horoscopes. Do I read for Leo all year or both? Does it even matter? Okay, Sarah. I'm so glad you asked me this question because first of all, let me tell you guys the solar return is your birthday. It's when the sun returns to the exact degree of the exact sign it was on the date of your birth. So sometimes your solar return actually happens on your birthday. Sometimes it's a day before sometimes it's the day after but you know, usually it's on your birthday and Is cast a chart called the solar return chart and it gives you a sense of the year ahead. And in fact, its effects can be felt three months before your birthday until three months before the next birthday. And what we do is we pull the solar return chart for the physical location you are in the world at the moment that your solar return is exact. So in other words, you would pull the chart my dear Sarah for Iceland and you can get a nice little picture. Of what your year ahead is going to look like and here's the thing a solar return chart is not the same as a Transit right? In other words. It's not as strong as a Transit. It's a good tool for looking at Trends, but it is not something that you would adjust your horoscopes about now. If you are a Scorpio Rising, then you are a Scorpio rising and no soul returns got to change that. Once you start messing with progress charts and still returns and all this kind of stuff and you start reading Tubal horoscopes you are taking something like sunshine horoscopes, very general astrological practice and then applying these more subtle Trends and more subtle levels of data to a very general astrological forecasts the sun sign horoscope and you're just really diluting everything. So I would not recommend that at all horoscopes and you know, I read horoscopes. I love horoscopes but horoscopes are the most generalized use He's of astrology so generalized and so it's very important that if you're going to read your son sign horoscope, read it for your sun sign, you can read it for your Rising if it gives you value, but honestly unless you have a sun and moon in the same sign. I don't recommend that you read it for your moom and in general I definitely say do not read your progressed anything or your solar return anything. This might be a slightly more advanced astrological question. And if you guys are hearing this in your like rushing out to cast your solar return chart. I would recommend you only do that. If you're in a kind of advanced study moment, you know, if you're not like at your very beginning of study or consult a professional because professionals can retool return charts that said not all the soliders work was solar return charts and what I've noticed with a lot of people who are studying astrology in this Modern Age is that people find out about these esoteric forms of astrology and they get really excited and start using them before they have a solid foundation in the basics. And I understand why you do it. It's interesting. But it's not always the most useful thing to do because then you get this really subtle nuanced information that doesn't actually directly impact you when there's all this data out there that actually does really intensely impact you and that's the stuff you want to get into so that's just that's just my two cents my love's and that brings me to a question from Brianna. She asks after a rough breakup and some transitioning in my career this past Eclipse season. I turned to YouTube and Twitter for some insight. Oftentimes the messages resonate for me and my friends but a lot of times I feel they just give me false. Hope that the lover is returning I've become slightly addicted. How do General readings work and how can I better use astrology to see what's ahead for me? Thank you. And I love you. Thanks, Brianna. I love you too. Okay, this is a really important question because we all do it. I mean TBH I don't do it, but I have done it and most of us when we start getting into astrology get obsessive and honestly, It is not wise my friends my loves. It is not wise I am a person who saves my fortunes from fortune cookies. I do I love them. I am all about receiving guidance, wherever I get it. However, I get it. I don't care if it's from a cookie. I don't care if it's from a horoscope or a Twitter post or whatever, whatever and also if you are in a very real life situation, something is happening that you are heartbroken over or a situation in your life is occurring that is very serious. When you turn to a highly generalized form of support that was not created with you in mind. Then you're only going to get a very generalized bit of data as an astrologer and a content creator on social media and in the world, it is not equal to getting a one-on-one consultation and it's not possible for everyone to you know, pay for a one-on-one consultation or to find, you know, the right kind of practitioner for you at the right moment that you needed. It so we all turn to these generalized things, but you just need to remember that you want to just use a grain of salt with all things like that. If you're finding that you're addicted to seeking answers right to getting predictions about when you'll no longer be in pain or one things will be better for you. Then you are misusing the resource of readings. And so I would encourage you instead to practice tolerating the feelings that come up around uncertainty to stay. Hasn't with heartache. Whenever people ask me this question of will this lover return to me? My first thought is not let's find out. My first thought is is that good for you? Is that why is that healthy wanting to evade pain is natural and human, but that doesn't mean that going backwards going back in time going back to the person who you're hurting over is the right answer and in the generalized reading you can't get that kind of information. So if you are seeking inspiration keep on going and if you're seeking answers, this is not an appropriate way of doing that. It's not a healthy sustainable way of doing that you'll get value for sure every once in awhile, but if you're not using something that is tailored for you, then it's not a reliable resource. So I would encourage you to be really careful and supportive to yourself and not try to skip over the sap of wherever you're at. By seeking an answer even if you got the right answer from like the most gifted astrologer psychic in the world. You still have to go through it girl. You still have to go through it now Swedish Sarah. I so call Swedish Sarah Swedish Sarah because her name is also Sarah and she is from Sweden asked me this really excellent question. Am I a douche bag? Because some part of my birth chart tells me so I have sun in Leo rising in Virgo. And from what I've read. I sound like a total douche and maybe I was when I was younger, but I'm older now and I'm a coach at work. Are there other aspects in my birth chart that indicate otherwise because I feel that my purpose on this Earth and in this life is to help people be the best version of themselves. This is an important question and I got to say you are not a douche because you're a little with a Virgo rising and this is where I kind of like dovetails into Brianna's question because when you are reading about having a son in a sign and a certain rising sign what you're reading is Is an individual astrologer maybe a beginning astrologer maybe an expert. I don't know but you're reading an individual astrologers take on those things. Every individual astrologers. Take comes through the filter of our own birth charts. That's right. You're going to hear me a person who has Sun Moon and Rising all in Capricorn give you a take on astrology that comes through the filter of kept corn cob corn cob corn because that's the only filter I have that. The only way I can process data experience the world. It's the only way that I can open my mouth and speak. We are who we are. So you want to remember that when you're reading about any kind of interpretive data, whether it's astrology or psychology or what color looks best on your skin tone for fall. It is coming through the interpretation of the person who is giving you that data and their agenda. So there are no douchey signs. I There are no do she signs there are no bad signs. There are no broken signs. There's no sign where every person of that sign is a cheater or a liar or a fill in the blank of a negative word that you have used to describe a saint. You don't like sorry guys. That's the reality. The reality is signs aren't douchey people. Are you always have the choice to be your best self? Most mediocre self your worst self. Whatevs. If you are going to be a douche if you are going to be mean if you are going to be kind if you are going to be generous you're going to do it through the style of your birth chart the style of your sun sign and your rising sign and all the other planets in your chart, but it's not like anyone is destined to be a bad person or a douche. We are all Destin's only to live this life in whatever way we choose to with the circumstances conditions. Limitations and resources we have access to right that's all so if ever any of you are reading anything or being told by anyone that you are inherently douchey because of your sun sign. Well, then, you know that they're not very good at astrology. That's all it's okay to not be good at astrology. We can't all be good at everything. Okay. Now one more thing I'm going to say and this is actually about last week's episode that was episode 74 where I talked to a delightful dog named Hank, and we talked about sage and Palo Santo and a listener wrote in and I was so happy that she did and she said that she was concerned about the mention of white sage and that she wanted to really bookmark here for me and I am sharing this because she is absolutely right that unless mallanna or IR native white sage burning should not be suggested native communities have asked non-native folks to not By or burn white sage this is so important and I was so glad like I said that she sent this in because it is something that I honestly I have not done a good job around I have heard this about Palo Santo. I don't buy Palo Santo anymore. But if I'm being totally honest burning sage has something I've been doing for over 20 years in my practice, you know, it's a huge part of my work, but the reality is Sage isn't for me. It's not an herb that I should. Be buying or using and it is for me complicated because it is been a huge part of my psychic hygiene for decades and it has been this invaluable tool that I have. Honestly not found anything else like it is amazing for me and I'm sure it's amazing for many of you. However, not all things are for us. Not all things are for me white sage and Palo Santo are both on that list sadly, but I did want to just first of all Make that correction from last week and I want to just share that it is really important that we are aware of this and that we do not continue to buy and burn Palo Santo or sage and I also as I am saying this want to acknowledge that I am in my own process with this I am not perfect with this at all, you know, I'm going to move forward with thinking about how I can make reparations specific to my use of sage and that's something that I am going to come to in my own process. It is my job to find it. You probably already know by now that I record ghost of a podcast on anchor and I do that because it's the easiest way to make a podcast it's free and there are creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer anchor distributes your podcast for you, which is super convenient. It can be heard pretty much everywhere from Spotify to Apple podcasts and across all the platforms and you can make money from your podcast with no minimum. Chef it's everything you need to make a podcast in one easy place download the free anchor up or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started today. On Spotify you can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including astrology on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast so that you never miss an episode and premium users can download episodes to listen to offline from wherever you are. You can easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. Just go ahead and download the Spotify app search for Ghost of a podcast on Spotify. Browse podcasts in the your library tab also, make sure to follow me so that you never miss an episode. My dear loves in Darlings. It's horoscope time again. We're going to look at the week of December 1st through the 7th 2019. This is the first week of the last month of 2019. We are at the end of what has been socially politically and certainly personally for a lot of us a really intense year and it's also been a really intense decade. I don't know it's kind of mind-blowing, you know, the end of a really powerful. Decade and it's also the beginning of a really powerful decade. I think astrologically there is a lot upcoming and certainly when we just look at the social and political conditions of the world at this time. We can see that this upcoming decade is going to be really important. I would say pivotal to where we go, as you know as a global community and certainly in our smaller more intimate communities, so there's a lot to talk about And there's certainly a lot going on this month. There's a lot of places that I create astrology content for like the month ahead. You can go to my website and check out my monthly horoscope. You can go to girl bosses Instagram account and you can check out the IG T v-- horoscope. I give they're nice and in-depth and then also if you haven't already started to support me on patreon, please do there. I create content that is unique and you can only get there it is what it's what the kids like to call Exclusive. And this month you will get what I hope is really helpful and inspiring content around the solar eclipse in Capricorn that is happening on the west coast of the United States on 1225, which is kind of a big date for a lot of people 1225 at 9:13 p.m. Specifically. So there's like a lot of things that you can check out in addition to the podcast for astrological insight and support how ever my love's as you know use astrology. As a springboard for understanding context strategies insights, but don't compulsively seek answers, you know, this is not life is not meant to be like a game of blackjack. Well, I guess maybe it is meant to be like a game of blackjack. You can keep on seeking advice and answers to a point and then at a certain point it actually it doesn't help the game. So that's something not to lose track of because I think especially around the end of a year. What happens for people's we start freaking out and looking for answers looking for quick fixes. As you know, I do not believe in quick fixes every once in a while they work but as a life strategy, they really don't there is only one way to learn the lessons of Saturn and that is step by step and Saturn is the planet of maturity. It is the planet of wisdom. It is the planet of time it takes time to cultivate wisdom and maturity. 80 and here we are in this very saturnian time. Very saturnian time very Capricorn time in some ways. And that's something we'll unpack throughout the month. Now that all said let's let's start from where we are right now because the future depends on your presence in this moment the future depends on your presence moment to moment. If you think about it too long your present moment is your past save present for the little things the little choices. Because of big successes big growth big Joy is comprised of lots of little choices lots of little moments. So don't be so fixated on the big stuff that you miss out on the little things. It is the little things that comprise your quality of life. It is the big things that are like big stories big memories, but you really want to stay present for the little stuff and that my love's brings me to the first order of business, which is on December 2nd 2019 Jupiter enters into the sign of Capricorn the planet Jupiter spends about 12 months about a year in a sign in any given sign. So once every 12 years it returns to the same sign. So if you wanted to look in history at what happens when Jupiter is in the sign of Capricorn, you can look at about 12 years ago and then 24 years ago and you get the point dial it back 12 years. So Jupiter and Capricorn is a lot of things but With astrology as with all things nothing exists in isolation while we can look back at the themes of Jupiter and Capricorn throughout history the contexts that each individual Transit is occurring in is really important to consider in a deeply impacts what will happen within the world and certainly what will happen to you. How many of us were the exact same person in the exact same circumstances 12 years ago very few months those very few months does so the transit of Jupiter and Capricorn is complicated. I think Jupiter and Capricorn has a lot of amazing potential Jupiter is the planet of growth and expansion. It is one of the many planets that are associated with social change that are associated with philosophy and moralistic ideologies or stances. So Jupiter can be associated with religion and it can be associated with all kinds of ideologies. Jeez, Jupiter and Capricorn can on the positive be associated with bringing more Vision or greater Vision into the structure of Our Lives. When I refer to the structure that might look like our relationship to money our relationship to work our relationship to time and time management or our relationship to institutions that were engaged with in general and you know what your definition of an institution is and how you relate to it is somewhat personal. Well, and of course, it's somewhat societal now when we have Jupiter in Capricorn, we have the potential to bring that largesse of spirit that Jupiter confers to the more pragmatic and Earthbound topics that are Capricorn Ian. That's cool. I am all about that. We really need to bring our humanistic Vision, even our spiritual philosophies and vision to our lives in a way that is really material that we can kind of grow. Into that is awesome. The downside of Jupiter and Capricorn can be that we see a rise in Dogma that we see a rise in religious Dogma specifically that we are so focused on the big picture that we miss out on the details and we miss out on the details in a way where we mistreat people and their feelings as details because unfortunately that happens a lot we think about the big picture and we ignore all the people and all the hearts and all the differences. That exist within that bigger picture. The thing that I think is super important for me to say here is that when Jupiter is in the sign of Capricorn we can work doggedly towards our dreams we can make sure that our dreams are attainable. I'm a big fan of having dreams and taking those dreams and turning them into plans so that we don't have to dream and Escape our lives in order to find Value and meaning within our lives huge fan. Each fan of that and the nice thing about this Transit is it can bring that to the surface? It really can the down side again is that we might see a real conflict of different kinds of people's different Visions for what is right or what is sustainable and whenever we're dealing with the sign Capricorn we are dealing with themes of sustainability. We're dealing with themes of conservation or conservatism. So with Jupiter and cab corners When it's important to not limit your dreams but instead as I like to say step-by-step them Capricorn is a vibe that is all about One Foot In Front of the other. It's a damn go climbing a damn hell, you know, you know Jupiter likes to take a rocket ship to the top of the hill. So we're going to have to find a middle ground here. And that middle ground is having a big Vision that you can set smaller goals within smaller goals. It's doable my love's it is Verbal, you might want to look to your own birth chart to see where Capricorn Falls in your birth chart and know that Jupiter's transiting through that house and that is fascinating because that will bring up themes of excess potential Vision excitement opportunity Jupiter does all those things. You know, what else Jupiter does the thing that people talk about a lot less Jupiter makes us feel like there's so much more I can have more I could do more. It should be more which can be hiring and it can be exciting or it can make you feel low-key depressed. It can make you feel more aware of what you don't have and where you're not instead of what you do have and what you're striving towards so, you know, that's something to pay attention to because the Jupiter Ian depressive Vibe is really kind of distressing because it's demoralizing. So Jupiter's kind of associated with morality as is Saturn and Capricorn in a very different. I so if you find yourself demoralize align yourself with what you've got and the steps you can take right here right now. Even if it's only one tiny little step the steps, you can take towards what you want or where you want to be now on the second. We have another Transit occurring and that's Mercury sextile to Pluto Mercury sextile to Pluto is a lovely transit to be going through after this for a cocktail Mercury retrograde. We've just come out of mercury sextile to Pluto is a Transit that it can kind of just spark your investigative mind it can help you to figure things out. It can kind of motivate you to do the work you need to do to just get through the investigation of something. It can also make it easier to verbally communicate or communicate in writing something that you've been putting off something that feels a little confrontational or sticky the sextile between Pluto and any Planet allows us to go deep and it allows us to go deep in a way that makes it a little bit Easier than it would during a harder Transit which we love now on the third. We have another sextile and again a sec style as I've said before on the show is a 60 degree angle and it is quite harmonious and creative. So the Venus sextile to Mars what it does, you know, it's actually not a lot what it can do especially if it's hitting something directly in your chart or if you love rigid is just kind of create more spark between what you want to do and how you do it effectively Mars is your action and Venus is the style of that action and it can just be you know, give me nice for dating can be nice for socializing. It's not a major push. If you're an artist great day for just like sitting with your Sketchbook or sitting with your medium and seeing where the Muse carries you great time for that if you're dating someone, you know, and you're trying to decide what day should we hang out? Yeah. Go for the third. Why not? The third Venus is forming a sex cell. Tomorrow's its exact its Lovely, but I wouldn't overthink this one. Now finally on the 7th. We have a son Square to Neptune. This Transit will be exact on the 8th, which is a Sunday, which is the day that the next episode episode 76 of ghost of a podcast drops. So I will talk about it more in depth on the 8th, but I want to give you a heads up because you'll be feeling it on Saturday son squared and Neptune. It's not fantastic. I'm not gonna lie to you this Transit can make you feel Depleted it can make you feel anxious. The sun is your vital energies. It is literally the planet that governs Your vitality and Neptune tends to strip our external Vitality in such a way that it forces us to rely on our spirituality. It forces us to rely on our inner resourcing and this square of this 90 degree angle can really just make you feel like I don't have any extra energy. I don't have Enter resourcing and so this is a really important date to practice your boundary work. It is so important to practice your boundary work here. You want to remember that on this date and honestly throughout the holiday season, if you are in fact a person who you know deals with November December January as a holiday season that having compassion for someone doesn't mean you have to engage with their bullshit. You want to remember or that even having compassion for yourself doesn't mean you're entitled to indulge your most self-destructive patterns your most self-destructive habits. It is very hard to have healthy boundaries. It is very hard to know where you have a right to ask for more or ask for less or take a step back. It is really hard to know the difference between compassion and pity and sympathy right but this is really important work to be doing in your purse. Life and its really important work to be doing in public and this particular Transit is a great time to do it whether you want to or not. So connect it to all of that. If you're feeling anxious if you're feeling kind of exhausted or off. Don't worry the transit will be exact on the 8th. You'll be feeling it on the 9th, but it'll be over by the 10th. So it's not too long and it is not happening for no reason it is happening so that you use your inner resourcing you are connected to to something larger than yourself and you remember that you are part of everything you are part of everything Neptune teaches us that we are interconnected and that are interconnection is not hierarchical. It's not judgmental. It is simply you have a place in this world and you deserve to be here and now your job is to Steward this life and this body your job is to show up and keep on showing up in a way that is sustainable and mean Full to you, that's it. That's the horoscope for your week. And you know here I am telling you what your job is that's just that's just how Capricorns think I can help it. I'd like jobs. I like homework. It helps me stay grounded and connected and I hope it helps you to you know, my love's I really appreciate you showing up with me week after week. And as you know, we're like a year and a couple months into having this podcast. I just have to reiterate the feeling that I have of love. For you all and I wanted to say that I hope that you feel that love and that you in turn take that feeling and you really spend a moment dropping into it inside of your own skin inside of your own head. I'm really being in a moment just a moment of feeling connected unloved and like you deserve to be here and then take that moment and just showered upon someone else stranger a cat a Do what you got to do, but try to do some of that because when we recognize the humanity in others, it reinforces our own humanity and when we reinforce our own Humanity, it makes it so much easier to see the humanity in others and to act from a place that acknowledges and highlights that that's what it's all about. You know, you don't exist alone no matter how lonely you're feeling and so many of us are feeling lonely around the holiday time, but you are not alone. You do not exist alone and it is hard to figure out how to connect with others how to let others in how to ask the right people for support how to make eye contact is tricky for a lot of people but it's worth it to keep on trying as always send me questions for the podcast just go to Ghost of a podcast.com. And if you haven't already, please star re-review this podcast where ever you listen to it or just subscribe hitting subscribe that is a kindness sharing it with your friends. That's a kindness. So, thanks. Thanks again for all the kindnesses and I'll talk to you next week. Bye.

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For the last 26 years. I've been rocking stages playing in clubs and having a lot of fun as a DJ and turntablist. And in that time I've seen and learned a lot now it's time for me to share that knowledge by answering the questions that can help. You become a better DJ. I'm DJ t11 and this is the share the knowledge podcaster DJs. One two one two, what's going on? Is your boy DJ T lamb and you're checking out episode 9 of this year than I was five cash for DJ's. This is my weekly Q&A show specifically made for DJ's now little caveat right there last week's episode was not a Q&A episode. It was basically a rant or just meet rambling for 3045 minutes about my current state of affairs and my current activities, but most of the episodes will definitely be Q&A episodes. But even if I go on a rant, it's going to be DJ related now today. I have a bunch of questions. Shit that came in through Instagram and I'm gonna get straight into it right now. I have about 30 minutes. I don't want to make sure I'm adding as much value as possible to your day. So thanks for tuning in advance. Make sure you follow me everywhere and just check out my info on djt. Alarm.com. So let's get into this question. This is all about music and when you should consider something old school. So the question is when is a song considered old school. I have a residency for an old school night and what I play at always wonder is music. I'm the early 2000s old school yet. And if not, when does something become old school? I really love this question. And I know the topic will have various opinions when you asked various people because I know some people only consider a certain era to be old school. And in my opinion that doesn't really make sense. Now, what is old school old school is something that is not from This time that is from a different generation different era. I started the DJ in the early 90s and most people now will call hip-hop from the 90s like old-school hip-hop when I started in the 90s that was new hip-hop. So that was an old school yet. If you were playing as a DJ in the early 90's oldschool probably be soul and Funk from the 70s maybe disco some stuff like that even like late 80s stuff, which would be considered. An old school now for sure was not old school when we were playing it in the early 90s. So that alone should tell you that this is an evolving genre. It's not even a genre but an evolving group of music. It's going to get bigger because more songs are going to turn old. So yes, I was playing in the 90s and 90s stuff was new at that time when I was playing in the 2000s the 90 stuff was considered to be The older / old school so mid 80s late 80s early 90s that was already starting to be old school when it was like 2002-2003 now we're in 2019. If you're playing a song out of 2002 that song is 17 years old. I consider that to be full. I don't know if I'd call it old school, but if I'm playing at an old school party a song out of 2002 now is definitely going to fit that in my opinion. So like I said certain people will not agree. They will only look at old school as being music from I don't know 70s 80s, maybe early 90s and anything after that is too new for them. But you have to imagine if you're a DJ and you're going to play at a club where there's a younger audience. Let's say anything between 18 and 25 if you're playing a song that 17 years old older song. 2002 some of them were one years old when that song came out. How is that not old school to them for me? It's a little bit different because as a 43-year old you look at time differently. So 10 years doesn't feel as that long to me. That's only like a quarter of my life. That's not that long. But if you're still 25 17 years that's more than half of your life. That's a long time. So to them that is definitely music from before their time. So yes, if you're playing an old school party right now something from the early 2000 in my opinion is definitely old school. You don't even have to label it old school, but it's definitely going to fit at a party where you're supposed to play all the music now, if you're ever unsure about this, you can always just talk about this with the promoter to organizer. This ask them. Like look you have this old school night. I love playing here. Make sure you Me know what you want me to play what you consider old school. Can I play stuff from the early 2000s. Now you have a residency there. I guess you haven't had complaints yet because you did not mention that so I assume everything is fine on that end. But if you're ever unsure just make sure you check with the promoter like hey, you booked me to complete your old school party. What do you want to play 90s 2000s? Let me know I can put all of that in there or You want to be more specific you want to make this like a throwback 90's party. Then I leave everything after 2000 out of it. That's a possibility then want to have like a 80s old school party and you need the 90s out of it as well. You could always ask but in my opinion if it's over 15 years old. Oh man that's old and a lot of the crowd will not know it unless you're playing for an older crowd. All right. I see a question that I also saw in my inbox in my email inbox and I have yet to answer because I need to Check this out. So I can't really answer this now, but I like to just throw that question out there. Anyway, what's the name of the scratch you're doing on your song show me at 42 seconds. I would see questions like this more often in this case. It's about a single I released in 2015 called show me I do some scratches in that single, but it also happens with some of my Saturday Sessions videos and I'll get a specific question and it'll have a timestamp to let me know like hey, what's the scratch you're doing at 10 seconds or at 1 minute 40 or this case at 42 seconds in 99.9 percent of the cases. I'll have to go and actually listen to the song and watch the video to check what it is that I'm doing and a lot of times I'm actually doing freestyle patterns that will consist of some times two or even three or four scratches following each other shortly. So I'll Give that a look and a listen and I'll make sure I'll try to answer that but in certain cases is going to be really hard because it's not just going to be that second. It's going to be like in this case. The question is 42 seconds or so. So it's around that time that I could be doing like a basic baby combined with a scribble and a cut or maybe it's something else, you know, or chirp. I have to go check a lot of times. It's going to be a combination of different scratches. So I love the questions, but it's really hard for me to answer until I go check it out. Out to see what actually did all right. So this question is about technology. I love talking about tech and this case it is about new tech replacing old Tech. The question is do you think rain twelves will replace turntables in nightclubs in the future and the second question is is there anything you do not like about the phase system? All right. So when Pioneer came out with the CDJ a 1000 a lot of these days here in the Netherlands. reached on vinyl to that particular player and some people said that that will be the end of turntables and clubs now they were partially right because yes in most of the clubs here cdjs became the standard now, of course nowadays, it's going to be CDJ 2000 Nexus to but in a lot of cases if you walk into DJ booth here in clubs in the Netherlands, they'll have a see DJ set and out of turn table set but most of the clubs still have their turntables and when I come out to play they can bring out the turntables for me. They're going to have them in the basement or the seller or they have just like separate storage where they do keep your equipment well preserved, but most of the club's still have turntables. It's just not the regular set up so they basically replace turntables till certain extent now the rain 12 and if you're watching the video clip while the right there in the back, I absolutely love the rain 12s. Is it going to replace turntables in nightclubs while here in the Netherlands for sure, I can say no, that's just because there are not enough DJ's using or requesting rain twelves for clubs to actually make that investment. If half of the DJ's were playing on that clubs might consider adding that to their standard setup or at least having those in the venue. But in this case, I don't see that happening. They're going to stick with cdjs and they'll keep some turntables around. So no, I don't see that happening here. I don't know how it is in the US. I do see a lot of DJ's using rainfalls, but overall, I don't know if enough DJ's are using and requesting them for Clubs to replace their turntables. So it's really hard for me to tell but unless all turntable DJ start using 12s. I don't see it happening. Now. Is there anything that I don't like about the phase system? I don't know yet. Mine are on the way. I don't have him yet. I've seen the videos. I've seen them in action. I've seen them in person. I had a gig with brain power last week two weeks ago. Ooh two weeks ago. I think and the DJ that was playing after our gig was using phase. So I got to see it in person. Those things are smaller than I thought they were by watching the videos. Those units are super small, but it looked great the DJ was very happy. They were really working. Well, I've heard a lot of good stories. I've seen some stories online people having trouble like having trouble syncing them or stuff like that. Now that could just be like the the thing that happens with me. Equipment that you're going to have some buggy situations. Hopefully those things can be solved with firmware upgrades that happens a lot of dates. So I haven't seen anything personally that has me worried, but I can't wait to get my hands on phase and to me it is still the biggest game changer of the last I don't know how many years I mean the rain twelves are definitely not the game changer. We've had moving platters for a long time the ns7 already did that great. Other players came out and had moving job wheels. So that's not new. They work great, but it's not like mind-blowing new tech. It's just a bigger version of a Visa 7v7 by Numark in my opinion love the rain to Al's but phase that is a game changer because it will allow all of us turntable DVS DJ's to stop worrying about faulty needles faulty tone arms you Name it now the cool thing is you can still have turntable sets that have the needles and everything on and you can switch between phase and normal vinyl or even just hook it up and still play DBS the normal way we Control vinyl but just having that option to know that I can bring a system that doesn't depend on the quality of the turntable that is available in that club. Like I said here in the Netherlands a lot of clubs will still have them but they have them in the basement or attic not all clubs here treat their turntables well and I've been in plenty situations where I come in and something is wrong with the turntable. Now, I've had problems with my needles. Yes. That's my responsibility. I bring extra needles I replace needles you name it, but sometimes you come in and one of the SLS has like bad faulty wiring. I can't change that especially with SL the wiring Camp. You can just put in a different RCA cable that wiring goes into that turntable. So if the wiring is off I can get a clear signal for my Yes that I have a problem and I've had to do gig but one turntable because the other one wasn't working phase fixes that problem for me. So to me, I'm amazed still even though I've never used it, but my my set is on the way so I should have that soon and I absolutely can't wait that's going to go with me everywhere everywhere I go I can me that I can bring my laptop and anyone who has a set I can just plug it in and we can play love it. So here we go. What is the best way to organize your music some tips on organizing them that this is one of the most requested topics and any time I talk about this. My answer is basically always the same. I haven't figured it out yet. I know that's still a pretty lame response but it is the truth. I still haven't figured out my system. I've tried different stuff over the years and I've met a lot of DJ's and a lot of them organize their music. Differently from myself and other DJs and that is because we all have our personal preference now. Let me just skip that for a second and I hope we can agree on that that a lot of us will have our personal preference. There are certain things that will help you out. When you start to organize your music number one is make sure you don't have too much music what I mean by that is you can have thousands and thousands of tracks in your library. I'm not saying you can only bring a couple hundred tracks, but make sure you're only putting music in those folders. That is actually DJ music. So don't put all of your albums from your Digital Collection in your crates just to have everything there because more is definitely not better. It's going to get cluttered just too many songs doesn't help in my opinion. I played where I was bringing an external drive. We like terabytes of music all it did was make me scroll and look longer than I would normally look so minimizing your collection. Your DJ collection can actually be a good thing. So start out by making sure you're not just adding anything you find in the DJ poles, but look for stuff that you're actually going to play when it comes to the music. You already have go through that music listen to songs. And just decide is this something I will play. If not, you can keep it in your collection at home, but don't have it in your DJ folders. So that's one. That's what I would do. I would eliminate a lot of the music that is not supposed to be in there. I still have to do that with a certain part of my music now. Secondly you want to make sure that your music is tagged correctly. So it's going to be easier to use Smart crates if you're not familiar with smart crates. Have them in DJ software Pioneer has a similar system for rekordbox DJ. So you could use it with cdjs as well. And basically with smart creates, you're not going to organize your music in advance in folders on your computer. Like I normally do but you're going to just tell your DJ software make this folder. And in this folder, I want to have only tracks that are between a certain BPM or only tracks that have a certain tag in there that attack could be related to the genre. It could be a tag related to the year. It could be a tag that's related to the energy level of the songs. I'm sorry about that. Let me fix this. He could have anything like that any type of data like that in the tags that you put in that smart Great rule after you put that in there. So let me just do a simple one to tracks with a BPM higher than a hundred and five. At lower than hundred and twelve if I do that in for instance Cerrado or in rekordbox that crate is going to go through everything that I've imported into the software and it's going to pick out all the tracks that are between the bpms. I just mentioned so they're going to be a hundred and five 212 anything with that Tempo is going to be in that fold. I like that as a nice range. I can basically makes anything in there with each other. So that's going to work if that Still too much. I can add an extra rule that's going to limit it to well a lot less. Let's say I'm going to add Jama to that that automatically brings it down a lot but I could also have a tag that is like I said based around energy. If you do that color coded or with bangers. I don't know a warm-up you could have whatever you want but terms like that can really help you out to find songs on the spot. So that is something I have added. It as part-time solution until I come up with the perfect way to create my folders because I do prefer to have the music already organized in folders instead of just having a organized by the software. That way I can always have my folders with me and know exactly what I have in each folder. So yeah making sure the right info is in the track track title and in the tags and eliminating a lot. Data, some of the first steps. I would take then I would start with the genres that I played the most and within those genres genres. I do make a selection based on not years but errors some DJ's have folders for each and every year within each and every genre and that turns into a lot of folders for them. It works for me that file structure is crazy. I could not do that. But I do have folders one folder is 81 folder is 90 is one folder is to thousands and now I have to make like a 2010 's folder as well for my hip hop and R&B at least not for all my music but I did that for hip-hop and R&B. I still have to add new songs Take songs out of that. But that alone already makes it a little bit easier for me to make sure that I don't have a folder in there that has like three decades of music when I'm only playing. At a party that is for specific decade with certain genres. I don't do that because I just don't have a lot of music from that genre that I just have everything in one folder. But maybe I'll have some tags in there that will allow me to when I'm playing organized by not BPM, but by something that I've used in the tags, so I hope that makes sense. But this is like a topic if you really want to break it down. You have to look at a lot of different things one day. I will do that, but that's just still haven't done that yet. All right, so I absolutely love this next question. And the question is tlm. When did you know you were ready to play bigger clubs / venues and when was the moment for you to say? Yes, I am a DJ. I have no recollection of that moment. That is the honest truth when it comes to my DJ career. I really just rolled into it it started as a Shin at home. I just love music. I really was infatuated by the turntable the fact that you could just hold it and Rewind it move it forward even before I understood scratching. I love that. I got my first set. I started to play music started to learn how to mix and scratch and that alone to me was having right there playing in clubs. I wasn't thinking about that at all. I was just having fun at home at that same time. I was not can't call it organizing but we were having like Freestyle sessions at my house. So I was rapping as well. I would have a couple of my buddies in here and only my Homies that wrap or try to wrap we're allowed to come or they had to get behind the decks and play instrumentals. And we would be mixing instrumentals freestyling over that it was all about that. And basically it was also because I wasn't really able to get into a lot of clubs same thing for my friends. Partially racial racial situations that was an issue with a lot of clubs. They would just not let us in with the lamest excuses ever like you see 25 people walking in then it's your turn to walk in and to tell you like, oh, sorry members only when you can clearly see no one else had to like identify or whatever and this would happen at more than a few clubs and the clubs that we did get into were playing music we weren't into So at a certain point you decide you don't really want to go out. I have my fun after that, but at that time clubs were not something I wanted to go to we were having fun on our own with our turntables and I was not thinking about parties now at a certain point. I was asked to come play at the local Youth Center at a party where they would have three DJ's one would do on be one with the dance hall and they wanted me to do hip-hop because they knew me from around the way they will come around sometime. Then you operate hip-hop mostly. And they asked me and I was like, yeah cool. I want to do that. Now. I have played a couple of birthday parties, but just not being booked as a DJ just within my own friend Circle. We would just bring turntables a lot of us will bring records and you play and even then I wasn't thinking about playing in clubs. It was just like this is what I love to do. Oh cool. We got a birthday party. They won't music. Oh cool. I can bring turntables and play music nice. So I got asked to play at the local Youth Center did that on a monthly basis that did spark something in me because that was like the first time I was playing in an actual venue, even though I'm calling it a youth center you Center that's what it was but it was a pretty decent situation. They had like an actual room that was made for events for party. So there was like a - for there was like a small stage with an actual DJ booth It had a nice system. So that was the first time I was playing a set and the speakers were actually like blasting the music once you experience that and you start playing songs that you have a crowd in front of you on a dash for not in a living room like with the birthday parties and you start to get some cheers when you play certain tracks. That changes the situation so it didn't spark something in me that I all of a sudden had a dream to play in clubs, but I just recognize that I really like the feeling of playing songs that I like loud and having a crowd respond to it. That was a new scenario that really got me going. So at that point I started to develop more of an interest but as I've said many times on my channel and even sometimes in the podcast Around that time. I also started to do the free weekly gig that I did at this bar / Club. Not that big because still hold like I don't know close to a hundred people and I really learned how to play in front of people there. So that just happened to me. I rolled into that did that for free for year best decision I ever made because that taught me a lot and I can't even really tell Oh how I went from that to bigger gigs anymore. That's the crazy part. I honestly can't remember what the first bigger gig was after that but it happened it just evolved naturally so there wasn't the aha moment but it just happened and clubs got bigger parties got bigger it evolve now. I don't know there was like a moment when I said to myself like yes, I'm a DJ but But it did occur to me more and more that I was just going to parties at a certain point. I did start to go out more as well. But also when I was playing somewhere and I saw and heard other DJs and I started to notice a lot of times that the DJ's weren't that good. and I was better so that did tell me like I can do this. I don't know if I said I told myself like yes, I'm a DJ but it was pretty clear to me. Like hey, I'm I got this I can do this. But yeah, man, it's a fun question because it makes me think back. I'm going to give this more thought because I might I might remember certain situations again. If I start to give this some more thought and I'll definitely talk about that in the near future when I do but yeah man for some We'll just have to come to a realization that you've done small parties for a long enough time that you've got enough experience. You feel the confidence and that's going to tell you like. Hey, I'm ready to try something bigger and for some of you you're just gonna get thrown into the deep without maybe even being ready or not. Knowing that you're ready. You never know. You could be doing small clubs or even just playing at home and all of a sudden you're getting this opportunity because someone you know has a slot open for you and they tell you hey, you can come play at this party is like 500 people. Are you just gonna go you might flop or you might rock it? You might not know that you're ready and you are and you're going to find out right then and there. All right. So this question is all about DJ techniques. And the question is what's the best way to learn how to beat match and know where to start the next track from? All right. I'm going to do this Shameless plug right here. If you're currently asking this question or you're not familiar with how this is supposed to be done. I'm working on the DJ course. You need right now. So yes, that's a Shameless plug. I'm working on my first DJ course right now. I'm putting together the whole curriculum and I'll be recording that soon and you're going to hear a lot more about it. But that first DJ course is going to be aimed specifically at people who are just starting out or people who feel that they're lacking the actual essential skills needed to become a great DJ. So this is a course for beginners covering all the basics that I feel absolutely necessary. I mean there's a lot more to comes into play when it comes to being a successful DJ but I want to make sure that you got the techniques the skills part covered. So just to answer a quickly. This is all about timing knowing how to count music. You need to learn how to count music so you can understand what beats bars and phrases are that's going to teach you the structure songs. Once you understand the structure of Things you will know or at least understand. What a correct mix looks like especially if we're talking about phrase mixing now if you have no clue what I'm talking about right now, that's understandable. If this is the first time you're hearing it now, my DJ course is not available yet, but you can go to my YouTube Channel DJ tlm TV right now and I have a short mix tutorial and that's going to teach you about beat-matching going to teach you about timing and I have a video in that playlist. That is all about Counting. It so you can definitely start there because if you don't how to count music, you don't know the structure of the songs, you're not going to understand understand when you're supposed to start the new track and what beat-matching is all about. So start there, so I'm going to do one more question right now and then I got to go because I got to leave the studio and I gotta go home real quick and put the kids to bed. It's a school day so they got to get to bed early because we got to wake up early again now last question. In is I got my first real gig coming up in a couple of weeks pretty sure I'm just opening but still super nervous got any tips to ease my mind. Yes, I do. All right. So one thing I want to make sure you take away from this is preparation is gonna put you at ease or at least is definitely going to ease your mind to a certain extent make sure you're fully prepared for this gig that starts with the Action the first thing you're telling me here is you're pretty sure you're just opening find out if you are actually opening. So make sure you know, what time slot you have. Are you the opener or even a second DJ or you claim prime time? I mean, I'm assuming not because your first gig but know what time you're playing because that's going to Define Your Role if you're the warm-up DJ, you're the first DJ playing that's a totally different role and if you're playing prime time, The first DJ you're there to just set a Vibe set a mood. It's not going to be all about high energy and you actually have a little bit more slap because it is not your job to just rock that crowd. So you don't really have to worry about that. Now, I don't mean it. You can just fail and not entertain that crowd you did a set the mood but it's a little bit different than if for your first gig you have to go on after two or three DJ's have already played the crowd is already at a In level, and now you have to maintain that level or take them higher that's a little extra stress. But even if that's the case you want to make sure you know in advance also, make sure you know, what type of music is expected of you. Don't just take that gig and go there with your music if that music maybe doesn't fit what is happening at that party. So is it a certain themed event? Are they going for a certain genre or certain genres of music? What type of people are attending old young if you know stuff like that that's going to enhance your chances of knowing what type of stuff you're going to play if it's a party and it's mainly kids between 16 and 20 that's a different type of event than if you're playing at a party where they're like 25 to 40. No, I mean it's a little bit different they like different type of stuff now same thing with the genres. You don't want to come there with techno and then you find out that it's like a trap event. I mean, I guess you already know but you want to make sure you know stuff like that now. Also, make sure you know, what type of equipment is going to be at the event. Is it equipment you play it on before? If not, make sure you check out online to see exactly where all the main features that you use are I'm talking about plays stop pitch cues. You name it? You want to make sure there are no surprises when you come in you want to know when you play what you're supposed to play what you're going to be playing on all of those things can ease your mind a bit because you know what to expect. If you walk in and you're not sure about all of these different things that are not as important as your actual performance, but you're already worrying about that. You don't know what type of people are coming. You don't know what they have. You don't want to worry about any of that. So by just checking all of that stuff out in advance, you're preparing yourself to know exactly what it is that you're going to do now once you know, you can make sure you prepare your music. I'm not saying you have to prepare your set. I don't know how you play. I don't know if you play Freestyle and read the Crowd or if you're actually going to prepare your mix that's up to you, but you can prepare your music. So make sure everything you do is ready. So if you use Q points and Loops, make sure everything is there if you want to make a folder specifically for that gig make a folder make sure all the music you want to play is in there again, once you know that that is covered. You can ease your mind a little bit more. So all of that stuff is going to help you out now most importantly and I always tell You do this when they do their first gig you're going to make mistakes. It's bound to happen. And that's okay. Keep that in mind. You're gonna make mistakes. It's bound to happen and - okay, so when it does happen and your transitions a little bit off or it's totally off which can happen to you just train wreck these two tracks move on. It's a train wreck. You move that fader. Next track is playing your shop for a second, but drop that thought and get a next track and move on the crowd might notice a part of the crowd will not notice. I've seen this happen plenty of time that the DJ is messing up and the crowd is not even really bothering unless the train wreck goes on for too long and then they might know this but don't worry about that. We all made mistakes and we still all make mistakes unless you're one of those DJ's who comes in with a prepared recorded set and it was just play backing then the set Perfect. But if you're playing live you're bound to make some mistakes and that's okay last thing I want to tell you besides make sure you have fun because that's the most important thing. You're going to play music you love loud. Like I said, I love that feeling. Hopefully you're going to have to little bit of interaction with the crowd. Maybe get a couple of responses. That's great as well. But make sure you tell yourself in advance like two days before the day before that morning. When you go over there, you tell yourself. I'm going to rock that Crown. I'm going to have a lot of fun. I want to ride that crowd. I'm going to have a lot of fun. I came prepared. I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to ride that crowd. I'm going to have a lot of fun. It might sound crazy. But you want to make sure that you're setting yourself up for Success. You're letting yourself know you're going to do good. Even though I also told you you're going to make mistakes. That's fine. You can rock a crowd and have a good set while still making. A couple of mistakes, but just tell yourself that and have some fun think about having fun. Think about how lucky you are that you finally going to get to play in front of people and how great that is. Let us know what happened. I would love to hear that's it for episode 9 of this year than all these podcast with DJ's I have to go. 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Welcome to season 2, episode 9. Subscribe to the DJ TLM TV newsletter https://www.djtlm.com/newsletter  In this q&a episode: * When is a song old-school? * Questions about specific scratches I do. * Will the Rane Twelve replace turntables in the clubs? * Any issues with the Phase system? * Tips to organize your music. * When did I know that I was ready for bigger clubs? * The best way to learn how to beat match. * How to know when you should start a transition. * My first DJ course. * Tips to make your first gig stress-free. Feel free to jump in the comment section and join the conversation when you see a question that you can answer.

Not just you know evaluating people that sounds pretty negative. But just kind of how do you look not intuitive things? I think a lot of times people focus a lot on the school people went to or whether they worked at Google or not and those, you know, our may be predictive or important but I like to kind of understand people based on their core traits versus, you know, just kind of tags on their resume. And so I think a few things that I look for is this founder market and I think you know, Brock's is a great example.Welcome to worth a podcast for my brother Ethan and I had the unique stories of young people in the tech world will talk with them about their backgrounds current work books that have profoundly affected their lives and a lot more to understand how they think and the impact I want to make this is the podcast that we wanted to listen to but it didn't exist. So we made it ourselves. Thank you means of New York, but for young people shaping the tech ecosystem to check out episode transcripts and join our mailing list. Please visit worth Dot card.com that's card with two r's Link in the show notes. Let's begin in this episode. I'm joined by Jess lie, twenty-three-year-old VC at summer capital and former partner at Rough Draft Ventures. We talked through Justice decision to not return to Morgan Stanley after her Junior Summer her experience working for multiple y combinator back startups and have she thinks about Career Development. Hope you enjoy Jessica thanks so much for coming on the show really excited to have you on yeah, thank you for having me really appreciate that. So you have a pretty extraordinary set of experiences to your name for someone who is just only graduated from college this past year. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about your background and your childhood? Yeah. Totally so start with childhood. I was born actually in Indiana nearby Purdue both my parents were graduate students doing their phds and electrical engineering there and they unfortunately we weren't able to raise me due to financial constraints. So I actually went to China at a very young age like 6 or 7 months. So definitely still an infant and grew up there with my grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins so pretty big extended family you from Different parts of China and my dad's side as well as my mom side. And then once my parents were in a better place financially and had moved to New Jersey where they still live. I went to join them in early Elementary School and stayed in the u.s. Specifically in New Jersey since then up until of course College. So for college, I went to Harvard and I studied applied math with a focus on economics and computer science. I just graduated. Did earlier this year from Harvard in May of 2019 and throughout College? I was pretty involved with a few different things. I guess my own personal background even starting as early as late middle school and high school was in public markets investing and that was my first exposure to what I'd say later became my current focus and probably my longtime professional folk guys. I really enjoyed the process of analyzing and understanding companies Industries and Collating between different data sources both qualitative and quantitative and but then wanted to work more closely with these companies, which I obviously couldn't do in the public markets and so felt like Investment Banking would be a good way to do that. And so did my last summer that summer 2018 in investment banking at Morgan Stanley and their Tech coverage group and had a positive experience great learning experience, but felt that ultimately the focus there was too short term and to transactional at least or my taste and so wanted to do something that would blend what I liked about banking which is working closely with companies and what I liked about public markets, which is analyzing and understanding companies in a long-term more intellectually honest way and so found myself inventor, especially towards the latter half of college working with different funds including General Catalyst through rough draft Global Founders Capital Romulus capital on female Founders fund and then after school joined Soma Capitol earlier, This year in August actually as their first full-time hire. I'm working on all sorts of things and some of that will talk a little bit about later is a seed stage sector agnostic geography agnostic fund focused on y combinator companies. Very cool. So you did touch on this a little bit, but I'd like to begin with some of the operating rules you've held at startups. So you have experience working for Alpha and a low part of Y combinator spring and winter 2019 batches respectively as well as Lux, which was actually acquired by Volvo the comment car manufacturer in 2017. So beginning with Lux the product that the team was working to build was essentially an app that allowed you to order an on-demand valet. To meet you wherever you are and park your car for you. Is that right? Yes, that's correct. So what was your experience like working with the founders Curtis and Craig over at locks? And what did your day-to-day look like in that role? Yeah, totally. So this is my freshman year of college actually, so I was in Cambridge, Massachusetts at Harvard. So I was actually working more so did a day with the Boston team and the founders were based in SF and headquarters were there as well. So Boston was kind of a newer Branch or more experimental Branch for them and it was a pretty small team when I And obviously I'm not full time since I was a full-time student, but there were just three full-time people and one other interns we were in this pretty small space in downtown Boston. And and the reason why I took on the role, first of all was because I had gone all this advice from my dad and from other older people with more industry experience that working at a start-up and whatever way was a really great training ground because you're able to wear all kinds of hats and be able to learn more skills than you would at a large company where you might probably be pigeonholed in a particular role. And so I definitely felt that way working at Lux in the early days, especially in this early Branch within this already pretty early stage company. And so basically I focus most on the operations and I think what I did mostly and what I liked about it was just how in the weeds I guess you could say I was able to get in terms of the business operation. So it wasn't just super high level like, you know siloed in this Making a pitch deck or something like that. It was super on the ground. I would be interviewing potential valets. I would be going to the garages if there were any issues. I would be monitoring. There's this bird math sort of software bird's eye view software that we would use to understand kind of the flows around the cities where there were problems and your valet looked like they were lost or taking too long and then we would check in on those and we would also do inventory counts to make sure we have the proper jackets and Daughters and things like that for valets and so obviously it wasn't, you know, super sexy if you will work of like strategy or whatever people kind of like to talk about but I think it gave me a really good taste of what actually building a company in the early days in these small team settings and really ironing out core processes that will no doubt change, but be really instrumental to the foundation of a particular sector of the business in this case Boston. So really enjoyed Experienced and learned a ton from everyone involved. So Lux is obviously a startup that you worked with back in 2015 moving us into a startup that you're actually still currently working for. I do want to talk a bit about your work for Alpha. So for our listeners who do not know. Can you talk a little bit about what else it does and what specifically you do for them right now? Yeah, totally. So Alpha is a super exciting platform. As you mentioned. They were part of the most recent y combinator batch and actually they started internally. Y combinator is the YC women's Community. I think four Founders and YC internal team members and he's an investor friends, but actually spun out of I see earlier this year. So January of 2019, which is pretty recently but they've grown incredibly so it's kind of starting from the ground up in January. They've on-boarded over 18,000 active members and basically the way I like to describe it as we were talking about earlier before recording. It is very much like a red a 4 Women inventor attack and startups, but of course unlike Reddit where there can be both helpful as well as some strange things. What's nice about Alpha is that it's a curated Community not so much in the sense of being selective or a leader exclusive but rather everybody in order to post anything you do have to have an account and on Alpha and accounts aren't you know, just randomly made you do have to be vetted and by some standard just basically to make sure your genuine woman. Inventors startups or tuck and have good intentions when joining the platform. But once you're on the platform, you can post, you know, kind of anything within reason and you can also post anonymously since we understand that lots of people might have more sensitive topics that they want to discuss or even you know, how to share some details about their situation that would make them identifiable. And so we do respect people's privacy and once they are on the platform they able to post about really anything that's on their mind and what's been really great about the platform and I've seen it Definitely first hand is how transparent and supportive it is so obviously there's lots of talk on Hinton and on Facebook and things like that. But you know, all of these conversations are really polished if you will and and you know, not super transparent and does don't really touch upon and the taboo issues that are so super important. And so people on welfare are able to talk about things like their fear of being fired or they just got fired or they aren't able to launch their startup and they're going to have to show too. Down or they're facing sexual harassment at work, or they're not able to pay their bills because they move to a new city like SF that's very expensive and are working as a founder or you know, taking a lower salary as an early stage startup employee. And so basically people are able to really speak their mind and really get to the heart of issues very efficiently and but not only just are these grievances or questions, but still receive super actionable super relevant super supportive comforting. Feedback from all members in the platforms. So it's a really great Community with a range of Ages of Women in all of these relevant Industries all around the world and to really love it and in terms of my current role, so I work with them as head of content and that basically means that I run all of the featured post. So if you're on Alpha and you go to the hashtag Spotlight, that's where all our featured Post Live and basically I interview some people usually busier and more high-profile women and then also, And all other women who are interested in writing a featured posts to edit their post and bring them in and share them on the site as well as through our social networks. So you touched on how important it is for not just women but women in Tech in particular to have a candid place where they can talk about different issues in the workplace. Who do you kind of see and this is not to say that there is, you know, a one-size-fits-all or a prototypical user for the platform. But who do you see is kind of a type of user that Alpha can really help out that this community is really built for Yeah, definitely. It was a little bit of a biased view since I'm kind of on the side of things but I think since starting Venture what I've realized and startups as well that we haven't worked full time at a start-up so can't speak as much on that fine. But I think vendor and and perhaps startups to is a very isolating industry. It's kind of strange because we think of a typical schedule but VC and they're constantly running around to events and coughing meetings and they have all these 3045 minute. Meeting scheduled throughout their day really back-to-backs you feel like it's a super social and you know, really rich community and you also think about how small and connected the VC world is which is all very true. But I think what ends up happening is that all of these 3045 minute conversations coffee meetings, even the event happy hours things like that are super superficial and that you know, you kind of go through typical conversation points like sharing deal flow and and you know, kind of Of making introductions and giving your elevator pitch and this and that but you never really kind of build those strong relationships built on could have a true understanding of each other both, you know the with the congratulations stuff as well as the more difficult challenges. And so I think what's really great about Alpha is that it kind of brings this virtual community with certain in-person components. You can certainly meet up with people in local areas and but kind of brings this virtual community that talks about real issues. Is to people who might not have the types of you know, working spaces or a company is or where cultures environments to do. So and I'd say that's particularly at least in my experience and obviously bias since I am and BC and particularly true of you see that I think of startups as well you think of Founders and they're usually either sole founder or co-founder, but they're very lonely doing their own thing, you know working maybe from home by themselves without kind of this huge team culture. To be able to share and form friendships with yeah, those kinds of deep bonds and relationships. I think are just really valuable not just in Tech but really for any industry that you work in and I do think that Jess is downplaying it a bit in terms of some of the folks on the platform, but are there any users in particular that you're just so proud to have using and giving advice to young people on this site? I know you guys do have a lot of really impressive than accomplished women using the platform already. Yeah, definitely. So lots of exciting people we have the CEO and founder of the wing for example, and then we also have had Eileen from Cowboy Ventures founder of cowboy Ventures common do an AMA which is super exciting and then we've also had the founders of Birchbox do an AMA as well. And then I've also interviewed Larisa who's the first employee of Brock's which is very exciting and then I also Recently interviewed use dry martini who is actually a un Goodwill Ambassador and she her story is pretty famous. And basically she escaped Syria and on a dinghy with lots of other people and their engine sink and to jumped into the water and tread water for 3 hours to save the entire boat and bring them to I think an island off of Greece where they were meant to go and then she was one of the members of the refugee Olympics team back in Rio and is trying to Compute for a Tokyo. I'm so super exciting woman kind of all across the board and both in traditional Taco as well as startups as well as VC and also kind of more social movement and human rights human rights movements as well. Those are some extremely cool people to have in your platform. I myself am a huge fan of I lie lie at Cowboy Ventures and then Marissa, obviously as you know, one of those first employees at Brax, I'm sure an extremely valuable source of information. Ocean and advice just for a for young women in Tech. We will link to Alpha in our show notes. So Switching gears here a bit from startups to venture capital a role that you took on during your college Years was the position of a partner at Rough Draft Ventures, which is for those who don't know a VC firm run by college students that invest in businesses created by other college students. So first off, what was your experience like with rough draft and what led you to the role in the first place? Yeah, definitely. So rough draft is probably the highlight of my college experience. I can't commend enough so really love day and basically in terms of what I loved most about it, I think and this is kind of where even my love for Avengers started. I think you know what a high level I had mentioned before what I like about venture has the ability to work Hands-On with Founders, which I couldn't do obviously in public markets world and then still have that intellectual honesty Capital alignment incentive alignment long-term. That I didn't really see in banking but I think that was just sort of my high-level honors in and I'm sure kind of everybody's head level understanding Adventure as well. But I think rough draft really gave me the taste of what working in Venture would be like and I think what was really cool was so for a little bit more context rough draft is basically part of General Catalyst. We operate right out of the DC fund. So but then we don't, you know, obviously engage in other DC internal operations who are kind of this Standalone entity with the support of GC so we weren't staying alone in being lost or being resource list. We of course had the immense and wonderful network of GC and their support but then we also were able to have full agency over the company's resources and invested in and so it was really cool in a really unique experience that I don't think I'll probably have again for a while until you know, I make GP at a fund of course down the line and so I think rough draft is a really cool experience because you weren't just I think typical analyst and Associates understandably. But unfortunately are you know just kind of a cog in the wheel sourcing sourcing we're doing just for Kelly operation just really seeing one part of the process. It was really cold out rough draft was that we owned our full sourcing process and owner full investment evaluation process and a little bit less in the portfolio operations front just because the propeller was so large and there was partner turn over a year to year of people of course graduating from the respective schools and but still were able to really see the life cycle at least from the investing friend. And so basically what What we did there was there was one partner at every school sometimes too, but not too many. So you were really able to master your campus. If you will versus, you know, having like 20 people on campus and stepping on each other's toes. And so I was obviously focused on Harvard College and I was just old partner during my year. So the school year of 2018 through 2019 at Harvard and and we had some Partners at HBS and then worked pretty closely with other Boston Schools like MIT Brown and Stern Babson and Etc and basically Source companies from different parts of the campus and invested in them and supported them regardless of the investment outcome. And ultimately what I really liked about rough draft. I'm was specifically I think kind of pertinent to the Boston ecosystem. So unlike SF or New York or really any part of the country, I'd say Boston startups are super research of men. There's a lot of spinouts from labs and PHD programs things like like that and so on the one hand, it's these really cool really interesting super technical Founders and I would never in a million million years be able to you know, go in and build their product or invent their invention for them, but I felt like I was really able to help them with everything else. They had never seen a pitch deck before and he would have turned she was or even knew what GTM said for or you know, what a business model was. And so I was actually able to help them in these very tangible ways of providing feedback on their deck explaining kind of a whole Side to them explaining the Venture funding and raising process. And so it was really cool to be in the room with some of the smartest people in the world probably but still actually be able to help them whether it was just through advice or being a friend or believing in their idea and the early stage and or unit, providing guidance and capital along these lines. I'm and so that was a really cool experience and lastly in terms of to your earlier question of how I got involved with drugs. So it is kind of a bit of a murky. Process my I don't think there was kind of a standard application process. But basically I had met Peter Boyce and who's the founder of rough draft and now with gc4 I think the past seven years since he graduated from Harvard say met him at different events at Harvard and he was super active on the Harvard's campus when he was a student founding Harvard Ventures and Harvard and both groups. They had participated in and so I was able to meet him as well as Natalie who later led up our GP and And some of the private partners and so is able to kind of get an interview and work my way into the group. Yeah, it sounds like you had a not want to put words in your mouth, but it does sound like you had an extremely positive experience with rough draft. And one thing that I think really does set it apart from other funds is really the ability for Founder's to be working with their peers and other folks their own age. So are there different things that you saw coming up over and over that maybe Founders were missing or struggling with her things in particular that you felt like you were uniquely qualified. Or good at helping founders with I guess what I'm getting at is is there something that you can take across your experiences with rough draft that you can say definitively you know, what this is what Founders are missing or this is what Founders are neglecting that maybe folks on the other side of the table can help out with more. Yeah, totally. I think especially with the Boston ecosystem perhaps less ferrino consumers right up Sir passions are absurd things like that. But especially with the research of an innovation that was coming out of Boston a lot in indefinitely out of Harvard in particular. I think what I was really able to help founders with was kind of take their idea and I obviously just takes time so it wasn't like it was, you know done and achieved overnight but kind of help them in brainstorming different ways, even if it's not something they totally Don it's obviously very hard to execute an in very kind of research oriented spaces, but basically kind of create a sort of roadmap to commercialization, which is what BC's always want to hear and you know, we all know that plans are probably not or very theoretical and in probably not going to stay true forever and there's going to be lots of edits and challenges and mishaps that come up along the way but at least for the sake of presentation and even just for the sake of the team itself, so they have some Direction and this plane could stretch out over the course of a year or two years or three years. So it's not like I saw the whole life cycle of it, but basically sitting down with them to understand kind of the their idea and usually it was pretty moonshot or is very theoretical so I wasn't even trying to understand every single micro layer, but the macro idea of the impact they were trying to have as well as where they were with their product or their research and being able to you're not map out step by step the future but be able to I have helped out in sort of like an 80/20 way. Even of targeting here are the Milestones that you need to reach, you know as a company and as a vc-backed company in order to reach your own impact goals as well and kind of here's how we would reverse engineer the steps that the core steps you need to take to reach those milestones and then here's how you would communicate it to a potential hire or potential partner or the FDA or VC in particular. And so I think that was kind of a really specific value guy. and that I was able to have in that, you know, I'm obviously still working on there certainly many investors who have more sort of commercialization Biotech research experience or able to coach on this but I think especially for those Founders who are super super technical in their brain is super wired to focus on the technical aspects kind of thinking taking a step back and thinking more about practicality and reality and business and kind of those things that feces want to hear and those things that ultimately are may be best for actually building a business versus just doing research in the I buy in bridging that Gap and whistling that I was super passionate about still am really interested in and was really cool to just not even just see like the business grow and the founders get funding and things like that. But Envision the impact they're able to have especially with health care products and things that you know can really change human lives. Absolutely. So moving us into present-day here. You're currently an investor at Summa capital for those that don't know so much capital is a seed stage fund that has invested in the likes of Lambda school house party and cruise automation among others suggest as an investor with Soma Capital. Where does your focus line a daily basis to find the world's next great Founders and startups. Yeah, totally. So I think in terms of our own differentiated and we've always talked about buying a proprietary deal flow. And this is to provide a little bit more contacts that we are a y combinator focused on sort of similar to a liquid to Pioneer fund Rubble fund. And for those listeners do part of those funds are very basically index the top in our case 10 to 15% obviously in quotes because to can really say except in hindsight and it's around 20 to 30 companies per batch and of course as Oh, oh, I know YC has two batches per year once with a demo day in March and the other in August and and so we're sector agnostic and geography agnostics or ultimately just looking for really strong Founders really strong teams and really strong founder such teen Market fit. Then we understanding of the product and the market might and probably should have many cases change tomorrow or the next day or sometime in the future, especially in the seat and precede stages, you know, even at YC demo day. Tuning the most companies don't yet have revenue or have only a little bit of Revenue and are mostly kind of been the Ella Y and pilot stage or can a freemium the free part of the premium stage. And so you really don't feel like metrics and things like that or super predictive and we know that Founders will pivot throughout by see after YC in order to kind of find that fit for themselves and tried even different channels for getting the word out there about their product and then of course the product changes in subduing the market changes in the Suppose seesaw effect kind of ensues and it's something out overnight. So I think we really look for teams that are strong that will figure it out and in terms of doing that so outside of you know, just figuring out who's in YC. We rely a lot on our portfolio companies as well because Founders usually no Founders and are able to you know, provide a stronger referral and recommendation for us and for so much more broadly been, you know, just us putting ourselves in a cold email ever could and so you really rely on Our Network and specifically founders of fact it helped in the past as well as investor friend. So we don't ever lie drowned at this stage. We always co-invest and so we have a lot of collaborative industry relationships or never, you know, fighting very aggressively for allocation on or you know terms or anything like that. I'm receiver founder friendly very investor friendly as well. And so we will get a lot of deal flow from our unique investor Network to and in terms of kind of my day-to-day so obviously during YC season for the bookends of those Indian month and a half in advance of demo day as well as a month after its pretty heads down focus on meeting companies closing deals winning allocations things like that, but really outside of Y combinator season, so right now which is right now, for example, I'm although January kind of things start up again, and we've been focused on raising her third fund actually. So that's going to be targeted to be around a hundred and fifty million. So we're really excited about that and it's really more of a follow-on. and to double down on emerging winners in our current portfolio, so it will be very exciting to really build those long-term Partnerships with our current portfolio, you know, even Beyond just providing help or just being around but actually being able to use super pro rata and really Provide Capital behind our words and behind our conviction and I think it's a really cool strategy as well because we have built this really robust portfolio with some of the names you mentioned for example, and we also have this informational Advantage when it comes with a and the B because we invested The seed and we've been getting you know, the quarterly monthly reports from all these Founders. We've been working with them on the ground. We've been understanding them and so we understand them better hopefully have better relationships with then and also know their business and their traction and metrics and everything like that better to be able to invest with greater conviction and at more favorable terms in later stage deals and that's been a big focus. And I think the other thing I've been doing as well is catching up with current portfolio companies, and I think initially when I started at so At first obviously you have a pretty large portfolios. It's pretty common in the seed stage. We have a little over 200 companies at first. I was kind of overwhelmed frankly with the size and was like, you know, I never would be able to build really meaningful relationships with I'll do a hundred companies and that's probably true at least, you know in a limited amount of time but I think what I have been doing since then is kind of turning it around on a tent or not. Just seeing this as a challenge but rather, you know, we have 200 companies. Yes, it does. God to be calling all the time and I probably won't be calling all of them all the time, but we do have this information on them. And so kind of leveraging the size of the portfolio as a value add for other members in the portfolio group of companies. So, for example, we have this company that's building the pill pack of Latin America there very early. We just invested in them and they've been going through some typical, you know business challenges around scale and things like that. We were one of the early backers of out to Pharmacy for example, which is basically Us has done really well with a pill pack like model and they're a bit later Sager quite a bit later stage. And so I was able to share some learnings from alto with this line America company and so basically doing things like that thinking of intuitive as well as less intuitive connections and to put companies in touch with each other or just share learnings. And then the last part I'd say is kind of the broader relationship developments are interviewing for another team member. We're also going to continuing to develop our investor relationships, which Again is kind of where the deal flow is partly come from and then also just kind of the broader Community doing different events or Founders for investors and thinking about the brand behind the organization to suggest. I do want to zero in on one thing that you said, you know that you guys are looking for really strong Founders or founding teams. What are some of the traits or characteristics that you guys look for when trying to identify these types of really strong founding teams? Yeah, totally. So actually recently wrote an article nice that I was really excited about writing. So I really like to think about you know psychology and about people and not just, you know, evaluating people that sounds pretty negative. But just kind of how do you look not intuitive things? I think a lot of times people focus a lot on the school people went to or whether they worked at Google or not and those, you know are maybe predictive or important but I like to kind of understand people based on their core traits versus, you know, just kind of tags on their resume and so I think A few things that I look for is this founder market then I think you know Brock's is a great example because the quick back story is that both the founders had built this fin tech company that sold at a very high valuation before they even entered College. They're literally high school students and they were both, you know Tech Geniuses that had fintech in their blood when they went to YC they wanted to build a VR company is VR was kind of taking off as an industry back then in the valley at least and at Stanford where they had been at school before they dropped out on but Course, you know, they're really smart and B are mean it's kind of dead now according to kind of a lot of people but back then we are was really On The Rise. And so you think this would be the perfect combination, but actually there wasn't founder market fifties where I've been Tech Founders who are super smart, but they still were fin Tech Founders and then when they pivoted to work on projects, obviously, you know, everything kind of collect and they've been actually the fastest company to become a unicorn and part of that or large part of that I'd say is this found in Market fit so, you know finding that in and seeing NG what really is it about this founder? That's not just making them talented and isolation, but the most talented and most capable person to solve this job. And I think also especially in the early stage when you're looking at Founders who aren't serial entrepreneurs is obviously most Founders. They shouldn't be ruled out of course, but I think you really want to look for people who will stick it out because sometimes you have really smart people who are also really hard working, but it's hard to say whether they would really survive that entrepreneurial Journey. So I think it's really important to Look at people's backgrounds of have they done something ridiculously challenging just for fun have they even had like research experiences where their whole sample for example and in like a lab research studying has been destroyed after like a year or two years worth of work. And did they just give up after that or did they keep going and put together a really good pieces or paper or presentation or whatever and things like that and I think also people with chips on their shoulders and that sounds pretty cliché, but I think the way in which Which these people see the world is that it and it's kind of more of a call option and then than anything else and so when they when you know, when you ask them what would happen if you filled they're not very scared of it. They feel like yes, you know failure is sort of an inconvenience but you know, nothing more than that and the opportunity that they can get from taking a chance is so much larger than the potential for failure and I think also just are looking for really good altruistic people because ultimately there isn't a real way to rationalize becoming a founding It's not going to lead you to and media wealth or fame or anything like that. Maybe you know down the line in the future, but the odds are so slim and the time line is so long and the interim is so hard and so looking for people who really put the problem. They're trying to solve the for themselves and their team behind themselves aren't able to changes people to meet the needs of their team, especially as it grows and you know, they need not just, you know a Founder team to lead but a true CEO they can lead a large team. And so kind of thinking about you know, just people who are really good and really patient and really diligent and really willing to evolve and input others and put the team in fourth idea and really be selfless ultimately. So not just, you know, obviously asking them like if their selfless or not because they're not going to say that's very weird, but I kind of even talking about having them talk about instances where they performed or behaved in the certain way and I think so many times people as investors focus a lot on like oh in the seats are like, oh is this Patrick 60 years it 61.5. I'm in sometimes that's important. But usually it's not because data in the seed stage is really not predicted and of the future for some of the reasons mentioned with all the pivots and everything and lack of data. And so I think what I like to focus more on is just how founder see the world. So seeing how they think and and you know being able to extrapolate that to core traits and behavioral features. That would be actually more fundamental because you know this 6160 number is probably going to change tomorrow. I might not even be relevant by the next hour but these core traits of Founders are probably something they've had since their childhoods or since birth and they're you know, truly their instincts and maybe they'll change those people over time, but they really kind of evolved and around those instincts going to Pivot around those instincts with those instincts being kind of a grounding characteristics and I think I try to get at those and obviously it's hard to tell but try to get it though. They're getting to know the founders and their life story and how they see the world and asking questions that are more along those lines and then you know kind of what is this metric or what's the growth or things like that? So zooming out from more of a qualitative circus at the seed stage of venture investing moving towards more of a quantitative protests in the world of Finance. You also spent some time working for Morgan Stanley as an investment banking analyst and their San Francisco office. What was that experience like and what ultimately LED you to decide not to return to the firm. Obviously. This is a very prestigious job. It's one that's pursued by so many different college students at tops. Was can you walk me through your decision not to return after getting a return offer during your summer there? Yeah, totally I think of the way in which I saw banking is that it's actually truly is a really good career for maybe the majority of the world. I think it's really helpful for four things in particular. The first is if you and banking as and you know a bank at a prestigious Bank like Morgan Stanley the first is if you're looking for a brand name on your resume, maybe you didn't go to the College of your dreams and then you're kind of lacking in that department. Apartment but still want to prove your worth on your resume. So that's really good. But of course, I had gone to Harvard student feel like I needed to collect another brand name and the near-term future and the second is for people who may be studied liberal arts or true humanity is in school and haven't done it, you know much in the way of quantitative analysis and want to brush up or learn those skills. That's super valuable. But I had that applied math and had come from a point to get background from an early age. She didn't really need that and I say the third is if people Like they're locking and work ethic or just want to work on work ethic more. I think it's kind of a boot camp that really puts people in shape, but I had always had you know, maybe even too much anxiety about work and about organization and so didn't really feel like I needed that in the last days of people are super dead set on going into private equity and I personally know private Equity is a great industry, but personally never felt that kind of need to be in the industry and all costs and so felt like kind of all those boxes definitely applied to Too many many people and be the majority of the world's but didn't really apply to me and so felt like banking wasn't a really good fit for me. And I think kind of as you're talking a little bit about earlier before recording. I feel like so many times people theoretically go to you know schools like Harvard to be able to do risk themselves, you know, even if things go bad badly in the future you're still able to say, you know, I did go to Harvard on the certain level of IQ, maybe EQ competence work ethic things like that and then, you know, obviously Leverage your network and whatever and but I think what ends up happening is that people in actuality in this, you know, obviously it is pretty intuitive and probably what most of us would do but they end up becoming addicted to be resting themselves and collecting titles and totally fine to not work in private Equity or banking if you really love the job and you really love the firm and just like how this close connection to it and many people do which is awesome. But I think you know more people than Not end up going into these industries for the wrong reason and mainly for collecting those titles and and they feel like they need to climb this ladder to somewhere. You know, I'd go to Harvard then I go to banking that I go to business school. Then I go to private equity and then I, you know make partner and but kind of what is this all for and so I just felt like it was a ladder to nowhere and it's kind of endless de-risking loop and I wasn't really taking this job and there's so many, you know, good reasons like the job, but I felt like the reasons I was doing it for weren't The right reasons and so I felt like I needed to kind of take me made out of FO Philippe like and as Anita become a founder or you know grow and like go to the middle of nowhere and like do something super random, but I feel like I need to take this First Leap of joining a smaller firm and I'm more up-and-coming firm in an industry. That's still you know, prestigious PC is great. But, you know a little bit kind of off the the main course if you also she relative to my classmates and you know, the broader School in the herd mentality that exist there and So that was kind of my experience but I really loved my summer they are the team is super smart and I think no I already had pretty good work I think going into it, but I think my work out they got even better afterwards even just over the course of a summer and we were able to Morgan Stanley's pretty active in their tuck practice. So we were able to do three IPOs just during my nine weeks over the summer and I was able to be a part of all three of those and they're all pretty different companies. When was Domo software and one was blue energy, which is energy tuck and As Joe knows which is more consumer Hardware consumer electronics. And so really interesting exposure are really great hard-working Innovative team blue support of analysts class and you know the work itself and obviously it's not the most glamorous but did feel like I learned a lot especially in the way of how we operate in and work in teams. So entering our final portion of the show, we're going to dive into a couple shorter questions some fun facts if you will. Are you ready to get started? Yes. Yes, perfect. So if you could go back in time, what advice would you give yourself before? You entered college? Would you change anything about your path thus far? Yeah, I think kind of grand to Harvard. I had this I made my identity around my strength and my strengths were everybody defines her strength on a pretty relative basis. Like I'm good at math because I won this math competition or because I was ranked first in math in my class and coming from high school and I went to a small high school but really any High School doesn't compared to Harvard or really any large University of that caliber. And so I'm I had this kind of existential crisis if you will going into School because you know sort of not being at the top of my class which is very natural, but it was kind of a core part of my identity and I started to lose my identity because I was like, you know, who am I without these strengths? And so I think what I would recommend my former self and in people in this particular situation is to really Define Yourself by your interest because those don't really mean they can change but they can only change on a pretty constructive way and they're going to still be there for you and still for my joy and so provide fulfillment for you regardless of the outcome. I'm so really focusing on those interests and the process of learning and developing versus the outcome because the outcome can be influenced by so many variables that are out of your control. I think that's awesome advice and I really do think it's an important thing for people to remember or just kind of keep at the front of mine from time to time. But what books or podcasts have had the greatest impact on your life thus far and why yeah, so I'd say that my actually favorite podcast. Is this one by Patrick O'Shaughnessy. I'm who runs is that it's very interesting. He actually is a Quant investor in the public markets, but and he runs it's like amazing podcast called invest like Best and and it sounds like kind of cliche and corny but he asked the truly smart as questions some of the smartest people ever and he has this really great way of even like synthesizing what they're saying and kind of providing like the macro view of things which is, you know, kind of more important for most people when they're listening to these things and he features all kinds of people not just in public markets, but actually largely inventor and startups in larger corporations founders. And things like that, he's had people like the founders of Instagram and the founders of Spotify. He said Bill girly and Keith were boy. And so all these really really incredible people and on the platform and it's just been really great to to learn from that and it's been been, you know, one of the most educational experiences that I've had that podcast is awesome. Patrick is such a great interviewer, obviously any opportunity to learn from the likes of go curly and Keith were bought something that's really really cool and just so valuable. So let's fast forward to 6 years from now. What do you hope to have accomplished in your lifetime? And what do you hope to be remembered for? Yeah, definitely. That's a really good question. And I think what I would like to be remembered for is ultimately building taking something from point A to point B, I think a lot of times people and you know are like, oh I joined this company and they were at point B, and they were you know, really rocket ship shipping off to point C and then I was a part of town that was really exciting to see and that's all great. But I think I really kind of want to be in a place where you know where I point a and nobody really believes or very few people really believe in the vision or what we're doing. they understand a and but then kind of having that connection myself and I don't know, you know yet what this will be my having my back conduction and not you know crazy conviction but really evidence driven data driven, but still contouring and conviction in a particular idea or you know way in which I see the world evolving and not just, you know, having this believe in having his ideas, but you know, really really working in the trenches with other people who share that Vision but come with different backgrounds and different viewpoints to kind of make this idea better and really We refine it and stick it out through those tough times and take things take this thing. Whatever. It is from point A to point B, and so really want to be involved in building something really unique from the early days and really kind of taking it from from 0 to 1 if you will. Yeah, I do think there is just a ton of meeting and taking something from scratch or something from just the idea phase and bring it really bringing that into the world and growing that product and scaling the company then obviously that's such a tough Journey so fenders do you need folks like yourself that can help out not just for funding but for support and so many different things along the way but that's a very cool. Thank you. So last but not least. Where is the best place for our listeners to find you Jess? Yes, definitely so few places. The best is probably on medium. So I read a lot there on and you can feel free to follow me there or contact me there on my username. There is justly Jes SLI, and then you can also find me on LinkedIn and feel free to message me there. I also list out my various email addresses depending on you know, whether you're trying to contact me for Alpha or for Soma or for Harvard and talk over something else so you can feel free to read To me there as well. Jesse's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us on the show. Thank you so much for having me. It's been really fun. This has been a surely Tyson with worth. You can find show notes below or at worst card.com that's card with two r's wor th dot CA RR d dot CEO. If you enjoyed this episode, feel free to share with friends or leave a review. We'd really appreciate it. Thanks again for listening.

In this episode, Asher is joined by Jess Li, 23 year old VC at Soma Capital and former Partner at Rough Draft Ventures. We talk through Jess' decision to not return to Morgan Stanley after her junior summer, her experience working for multiple Y Combinator backed startups, and how she thinks about career development. [1:45]: Jess' background and childhood [4:42]: Advice from her father and diving into the world of startups [7:58]: Jess' ongoing work with Elpha (YC S19) - a Reddit type community for women in tech [16:07]: Investing in student-led businesses at Rough Draft Ventures [21:25]: Helping founders to see their blind spots and how VCs can add value [24:43]: Joining Soma Capital and staying on top of 200+ portfolio companies [30:52]: What Jess looks for when evaluating founding teams at the seed stage [36:19]: Closing the door on an investment banking job at Morgan Stanley [41:20]: Jess' favorite podcast and advice for her pre-college self Worth website - worth.carrd.co Jess' Medium - https://medium.com/@jessli Jess' LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-li-12b74968/ Elpha - https://elpha.com/ Book recommendations - https://www.notion.so/book-podcast-recommendations-59abba1db1db4fc2b9b9a4e08edb0b24

Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. What is up? Everybody? Welcome to episode 101 of the secret life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa and Rebecca and it's like we're officially starting back at the beginning. It's kind of creepy know who we are. No, I'm asking what most I'm asking our listeners. I was like, who are we are we having all of our friends who are sitting in on this conversation Oh, I thought you were having a bit of an existential crisis or something. You're like Rebecca's like we've 200 episodes, who are we what are we doing? Why are we here? Same? My name's Amanda. What is the meaning of life? Good God you're deep today, right so I have right before we got on too much Esther perel. What is that? Oh my God. You gotta go listen to her. Oh, I don't I do know what you know, what bugs me is when I share something with people and I share it with like friends and I'm like, no I think You should listen to this is be really good for you right now, and they don't listen to it and I get so mad and I know I can't control other people in this instance. I would really like to control people and tell them to go fucking listen to it. Listen that just put that on your list for after world domination. Yeah, mine control cannot be that far behind right? You can't wait, so can't be are you sure I will enjoy this person though. Yes. Yeah, you know my user case. I don't know what's up. You know my music taste this isn't music. This is a podcast Oh, I thought it was a musician and I was like, I don't know. Oh my God, no Esther perel. She is a relationship life fucking Guru and a half. She's the one that was on Dax Shepard that you liked. Yes. Okay. Now you need to go Google her and watch her TED Talk. She's a bunch of them and not even the TED Talks. She even has her own videos as well. But she touches on everything from relationships to life and everything else. We are not being paid to promote her. I just feel like I need to bring this to the world. You just lie one needs to listen, you just like her you genuinely I do because I generally think that we can learn from something from everybody we meet I truly have always believed that I also believe that if you've learned something really profound in life that you should share it so This is me. Trying to share this with everybody and I need someone to go fucking listen. Did I ever tell you I told you about the multipotentialite thing, right? Yes that blew my mind when I found that and I know exactly how you feel. I felt I found this thing. I don't know what her name is off the top of my head because again, this is totally off the cuff. We didn't really think about talking about this but as a creative person I found this Ted Talk by a woman who was saying How she is a multipotentialite and it basically boiled down to when you grow up you're told you can only be one thing, you know, you can't say I want to be a ballerina and I want to be an astronaut. I want to be a violinist. I want to be a therapist. I want to be whatever you they're like, well, you can't be both, you know. Well, yeah, you can and a lot of people aren't happy in one job. Yeah, they need to switch gears. They need to do multiple multiple things. They need to kind of like Master a field and then Quickly move on Master another field and they like go headfirst into things. They are they don't do anything by half measures. They jump in they are abrupt about it that you know, this is and I was like, oh my God, that's me. I couldn't believe everything she was saying and you it is me and in this the thing because you start to doubt yourself and feel bad because you're like you quit things maybe that aren't finished or things like that because you just realize you're done with it. And then you're like, I need to move on to the next thing that could be my thing. Yeah, and apparently though that is not it's not necessarily a shortcoming. You have to look at it like a strength you have this amazing ability to shift gears quickly and acclimatize to different things and it was amazing. So if you Google multipotentialite and tedtalk it she'll come right up. Like she's the one that she has short hair. She's just so intelligent and she has a whole website dedicated to it, but it really helped my son like me understand myself. Hmm, and I didn't feel like a failure. Any more at the moment I heard her talk and I was just like holy shit, you know like she nailed me. I can't I didn't know this was a thing. I thought I was kind of a freak, but she apparently there's a lot of other people like me. So if this sounds like you go Google it because it's totally totally validating as a multipotentialite to hear her explain how it's actually like a superpower. It's not it's not a negative. It's a positive. Yeah. So yeah. I totally hear what you're saying about you hear a message and you need to just Like go find this person. They are awesome. They are a guru. They will change your life. Yeah, it's just about helping you reflect on yourself. And you know what? I mean? Like, I'm not a percent fact, none of us are perfect. You know, we all have things that we need to change about ourselves or grow learn. I learned very quickly that I my expectations of people are far too high. Really? Yeah, like from her talks you learned that yes interesting and I actually I didn't know that isn't that funny isn't that funny? I'm 41 and I did not know I was like that that's interesting and I actually am like that and then I talked to some friends about it and they're like, yeah you are that was like, why didn't nobody tell me you know, like it's funny that is funny. I'm going to have to you're gonna have to shut send me like her best talk or like what should I what should I check out first? You know that kind of thing. Well, it's one of those things where like, I love her TED Talks. For sure. I love TED Talks. I related more to her interview with dr. Shepherd only because it was in a conversation form as opposed to her talking at everyone. Yep in a TED talk she was talking to someone so it was very I got more out of that than I did out of her TED talks, but it's all great really truly. What are her TED talks about in particular because I love TED Talks her her biggest Ted Talk is about relationships. Okay, cool an Delta, T that type of thing right but I liked how she has points in it where it applies to other parts of your life and not just it placed you as a person rather than a relationship. Very cool. Her say Don't Own Me. So anyways, anyways, I got a lot of out of it, but I'm one of those people that does that so you're a very intelligent girl. So I will definitely check her out. I have a funny story. Awesome. I hope you have a few. It's kind of the point of this podcast, but no, no, it's personal. Okay, so my daughter is very trendy. Okay. I am not please don't think I'm shaming her anything like that. Maybe you'll have to take this out of the podcast. I don't know. Anyways, you totally won't and I won't hear this. She was wearing a cropped tube top, right? Okay, and these pants and it was like those like baggy pants, but they're like tied at the waist they go high and then the cute little cropped up. I fucking love it looks adorable on her, okay. And she's 16 by the way, and my son Rebecca dresses like this to and they match this like a mother/daughter thing. It's adorable. Oh, yeah, right. I wish I could wear it. I so wish I could be too. But anyways, my son goes. Where are you going to a baby shower? And I laughed out loud. I said whose baby shower cardi B. Seriously, it's like a baby shower. That is such a fucking minute. Listen, that is such a fucking male thing to say he has no idea what goes on that's like that's like a baby. Not that you can't wear that to a baby shower, but I was just like of all things he could ask her. Where she's going he a sixteen-year-old. He says a baby shower cropped off in a trendy outfit. That's a weird comment. That's like yeah blend of when men think women have sleepovers and have pillow fights and then end up ripping each others clothes off and kissing right? Oh my God, it was too much. Anyways, yeah, silly silly boy. I have something for you to do. Okay. Okay ready? Yeah. Look down at your chest Oh, no, you're going to fuck with me like a salt shaker, aren't you? God damn it. All right. I'm going to be a good sport about this. All right. Look down at your chest. Yeah and spell attic attic. Yeah ATT. I see your fucking four years old, you know. All right. Good God that was stupid and now everyone else I did it. I want you to come to her group and tell me that you did it. I still don't feel as abused as I did with the salt shaker trick you really you didn't see it coming. That's why I really, you know, it's funny about how much I was thinking about it as I spelled it. I was I was more worried in that moment about misspelling attic under pressure on a podcast for front of thousands of people. That's what I was terrified about doing. Oh my God so funny. Yeah, that's that's never not going to be funny. All right. Oh my God, share that with all your co-workers everybody preferably in a status meeting Monday morning. That would be really great to say. I have a crew group exercise for all of us everyone looked at your shirt and spell attic. Listen, if you want approval from your boss, just tell them it tell them it's a team-building exercise. There you go. There you go. Yo got a promotion. I swear. That's not a great Icebreaker. That's a good-ass Icebreaker. Oh my God, that's funny. Laughs you don't be great is if you're trying to pick up a chick at a party and you really want to see if she has a sense of humor. This works better probably with lesbians because you know, they won't be afraid they might get insulted. They might be like you are disgusting. Like I said, this might work better with lesbians because it's right lesbians are less threatening when they're hitting on other women, generally. Then like a male coming up and doing it but true. It could be that could be a really funny way for a hilarious lesbian to get a date just saying yeah, you know good really good ice breaker. Are we supposed to make note? Maybe the male's shouldn't do this to their coat female chorus. This might go over. Well, listen, listen here, but slow told us to do it. I also don't need to have your emails about your sexual harassment therapy at work just because you listened to our dumb suggestion. Okay. Yes. Yes. It is. Probably harassment. If you're a male doing this it's really funny. Laughs it's not fun. It's not funny for harassment and not fuck. No. No, but it's funny. It's funny funny thing if you're a girl doing it to another girl's funny. Yeah. Yeah, and if you're if you're doing it to a guy probably not going to be as funny. I feel like we're over explaining this. I think they get it. Yeah. I think I got it explain ourselves so much anymore. I guess not listen. So I wanted to ask you yeah quickly about what's going on with the Raptors because I don't pay attention and everybody when we were in Nashville was like we're Canadian they go Raptors and yes, everybody is freaking wanting the Raptors to win and I'm kind of just being like when is the next game how many of we won? What's the deal? Like? Yeah, they're playing again tonight. Well not won't be tonight by the time you guys here. This will be last week. But yeah, so it's key. M6 tonight, I believe out of 7. Yeah, so it right now it's tied right? Oh wait, I don't know that so you can tell me it's it tied. I don't know. Anyways, we're basketball fans, right? Yeah. I did watch the last game. Okay, and I was very very mad because I stayed up and I thought they were going to win now if they had won the last game they would have won. So because they were so far ahead and there was no hope for the Warriors. So I did stay up and they didn't win and it was such a stupid loss to sorry all of our American friends that are worried fans, but it was because they they try to the try to do a three-pointer when they didn't need to do a three-point like it was just it was a bit of a mess that game and plus the Warriors brought back one of their like big They have a lot of good players. Let me just say okay. They are and stacked. Are they tall? That's what I know but it's a stacked team. Right? Like they've gone all out and they put all their money into their players and you know, they've got they've got a stacked team. They have a lot of talent there. We have we we have we have talent for sure, but we are team we got harder just they're just fucking hard workers. Right? Like they're just they're not going down without a fight. Yeah. So anyways, one of their players was injured and he came back. His name is escaping me right now and he got hurt during the game. And so a lot of people said Canadians cheered that he got hurt. It was one of those plays where people cheered because it's just like, you know what? I mean? Like, I don't think they were cheering because he got hurt. I think there were cheering for Play Yay phone flasher, you know like he's really hurt and yeah granted. I don't think he should have been playing in the first place. But because it just he's injured and he still healing so it just wasn't a time to bring him back but they needed a I guess I don't know. I don't think of course they need him. But the same time I mean they would have got on got on just fine without him like, you know what I mean? Yeah, but anyways, so he got her in there saying Canadians, you know cheered that he got hurt and one Canadian actually went and sent flowers on behalf of all Canadians to him say sorry for the people that cheered but that we hope he gets better, you know, because we're just so fucking Canadian that we would do that so that I have a confession to make that was me. Yes. So yeah, so we lost and now there's another game tonight. So this is Thursday and so here we Go every time I happens every time I hear their name, I want to call him the Golden State Killer's not the Golden State Warriors because you know what? Everyone says that so funny. It's so true though. I've never heard of the Golden State Warriors. I have heard of the Golden State killer right? It's true and the Warriors have won the past four years. Oh really for might be 5, but for for sure, I don't follow basketball that closely follow hockey closer, but Shows you how much I follow any sports? Yeah, but people Canadians man there they're filling up Jurassic Park like crazy and they're there for it. So that's what for the record for those who don't know that is what we call the area outside our arena in Toronto. Yes, because you know where the Raptors or go go Raptors. Whoo. I feel like I should do this. I don't know. What's that did you say gir? Yeah, I went girl. So is he like that was my Raptor sound? That is the best I got so take it or leave it. I love it. I'm just saying it's awesome. So we have something we need to address but maybe we do it at the end of the show. Yeah. Okay, we have something we need to talk about that happened in our group and some do with our trip to Nashville. We will we will talk about it at the end of the show. Yes. Okay now in the news, yes, we got some shit in the news this week. Let me tell you what's going on bride steals bartenders tip jar leaving him with just 20 dollars. What a cunt Yep. This was posted on Reddit. I bartend weddings as a second job at a social club. We are allowed to put out a tip jar unless the bride and groom asked us not to or ask us to put out a honeymoon jar for them. So I was working a wedding and that about 10 minutes before I shut my bar down and the wedding is over the bride comes up to me to tell me she didn't want a tip jar. ER and she was thinking she wanted a honeymoon jar. She had the whole night to tell me this she was at the bar multiple times throughout the night. I apologize multiple times. And again, she says she was thinking that she wanted a honeymoon jar and despite hearing from guests how amazing I was and that she had thought that herself. She says no way people would have tipped and that they must have thought it was for her. He then takes all the money out starts counting it and throws me. Dollars and fifty cents the change falls on the ground and then she tells me to look for it myself. I honestly felt so sad about this. I worked so hard I guess I should be happy she gave me anything but is this? Okay? No fuck no harder know the bartender not listen the bartender and you must be fucking raging right now. Yes, so guys, I'm a former bartender. Okay, and The server and I managed a restaurant too and let me tell you. First of all, we make less than minimum wage just so you know, I think we still do I don't know I used to and we you rely on your tips right now. I get it. It's may be different for a wedding or what have you. I haven't bartender wedding. I have bartended private events though. Okay, and anytime a tip jar was oh I was tipped very well because people understood that I was there for like a set fee. That was it. You know what I mean? So it was really nice that at those private events. I was still tipped by guests in homes. Like it wasn't even like not I'm not talking to private event in big fucking Convention Center. I'm talking in a private home and people still tipped me. So, you know, it's nice to have those the fact that she changed her mind after the fact is complete garbage and I probably would have kicked it kicked her in the twat like soon. Yeah. Yeah, I would have I been like no, you're not taking it go. Fuck yourself. People are I don't care if I I'd lose my job over. I really wouldn't I'd be like I'm done. This is garbage. You are garbage human being to do that. Yeah. You don't need a honeymoon. Listen, you don't need a honeymoon fund. You need a trash pile fund Honeycutt. Yeah pile of trash. Yes ridiculous. They are so fucking hard. You're already getting so much money. Probably in gifts from these people. Yeah. Why are you taking that little bit from a hardworking person at your white like a vendor? I just yeah not With that level of bullshit. No, no, you can't change your mind 10 minutes into the end of the night and be like no I want this to be my honeymoon fund. No one would tip you like this. Anyways, actually you'd be really surprised guys people do tip very well at private events like that and it's very appreciated. Yeah, because a lot of times at bartenders when they do private events, actually when I did I wasn't paid hourly. I was paid a set fee and usually it was like 200 bucks for the night, you know, and that $200 for Eight to ten hours with no break just so you're aware. I can you know, it was very nice. And I knew that I would make some tips. I didn't always know how much but people were always so generous. It was lovely. I have a confession to make every time I work a wedding or worked a wedding anytime I go up to the bartender and ask them for a Coke like I never drink when I'm working. Not that I'm judging if you do have a wine, but I never did because of Many reasons I was always driving plus I just didn't want anybody to look at me. Like what the fuck you doing, especially mothers and stuff like that. Anyway even just getting a Coke from them. I always felt this tremendous guilt not to pick them anything right? I did but I don't carry money on now and I'm working too and I think they know that and they don't expect it from a fellow vendor, you know, but they don't I just I'm always trying to be like, thank you so much. Much does it you know, how are you doing tonight? Treating them like people right? Yes like that time when I saw the server venue in Toronto and I was like, I just want to tell you remember when the sumbitch eat my dessert and I was like, I just want to tell you you're doing an amazing job. Thank you. No, thank you for everything tonight. And she's like, thank you so much. It's so nice. Like nobody says that yeah, so just say even say thank you. Like if you even if you don't have any cash on you, whatever just engage them in conversation. Little bit just be like you're doing a fucking awesome job good on you, you know don't take their fucking tips and don't put the money on the floor and tell them to pick up themselves. That's just fucking gross. Well that goes without saying yeah. I God I'm so mad like it makes me so mad you because you know what? That's it's one of those jobs that you were so disrespected constantly and you really are instead of are very closely are it's a thankless job. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so and it's not a job. Just run. Not going around making $200 a night or 300 or 400 night you there's only set days that you can make money. So it's not like an everyday thing anyways enough about that. Alright, Hawaii news now said on. Kawai I'm going to get this wrong why Kauai? Yep as the country continues to recover from last year's historic flooding. It has opened an investigation after an apparent wedding ceremony was held illegally at a popular North Shore Beach Park black pot beach park located near the yep Pier something pure. Hello really damaged. Oh spell it. I want to try to say it. Hennelly handle a panel. Aana Ellie. I yeah Hannah life. Yeah, Hanalei here was severely damaged by flood waters and has been off-limits to the public ever since the wedding took place in the morning of Saturday, June 1st and County officials say it was not permitted or authorized by the county in order to access their Eason calm down officials of Kauai. You've got bigger problems in order to access the area participants and attendees trespass through a closed Road way and a closed Beach Park both of which are Our active construction areas said County spokes woman Sarah Blaine Blaine says there are multiple signs and large barricades to make clear that access is prohibited volunteers with picturing people in fucking evening counts climbing over like construction barricades and everything and the mothers are just like fucking hell, they couldn't just get married in Maui. Yes volunteers for the community watch groups say they saw the party and their vehicles at the close Park and All the wedding coordinator on site that what they were doing. Is it legal? There's Resort where her hater bad bad wedding quarter coordinator. Naughty naughty he Shrugged his shoulders and walked away the coordinator of sorry said, oh my God, I cannot say this name spell it Mak a Jala makka, pakka. Makka, lie. Mykola, Makela Mike McCalla or Makela McCullough. I like McCullough McCullough. It's like makalah. Konkan Macaulay Culkin the coordinator of the fennel. I handle a panda lie. Oh for fuck's sake Swatch group, very frustrating for us as a community folks to not be able to use this park have access to this park and yet see this very large commercial. And take place in our Park. The incident was reported to the county. But by the time the officials arrived on scene the wedding party had already left. Listen, folks. Stop fucking trespassing. Okay, and I'm sorry I butchered everything possible. I could butcher in this story. I apologize. I'm not being malicious at all. I cannot say this. I am going to Source out every Hawaiian story about weddings. I can find and be like, I have a story for you this week, Rebecca. This one, you know, they're their names are really hard to pronounce. There's so pretty. I know there's so pretty the names are so pretty when you can say them. They're awesome. When I've heard them I think oh my God, that's so pretty. Yeah to read it now. It's not happening next. Okay. I mean, honestly, I'm part of me is like calm the fuck down. It was a wedding, you know, like yeah, but you know, it's just like it's like one of those things for someone runs it for everybody. Remember what happened? And where was that sacred ground was in Greece. It was angry on a Grecian I am yeah, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. They're not ruining anything for anyone. It's all closed. Anyway, they're not going to like ban weddings when the park reopens, you know? No, but it's also dangerous, right? Yeah, but my point is I wouldn't do it for the simple fact is what is their do damage and they're creating more damage. D'arnot's they're just being pussies about equipped for doing it and I figure Fuck Wit for Climbing making people climb over construction shit to get to your wedding that either is there no other Beach you could go to there's like 40 million beaches and they all kind of look the same like not perfectly the same but you know similar attributes. Yeah, they probably just wanted to know people around because what I don't have a problem with is when people get married quickly inside Disney, you are such a fucking hypocrite. I am I totally And I admit it and you know, why because they charge too much. So I'm like, you know, what you do you go for it. They do charge what? Yeah. Disney's never going to sponsor us now. No, I don't think that was on the plate, you know, you never know. You never know Disney wedding secret life of weddings guys sent off. Listen, that's true. And when this airs and then we're going to get an inquiry to do that. This episode will magically disappear from our catalog. So listen download and down didn't exist. It was a bad number. It was just not there it just you know, I deleted Episode 101 because it's unlucky it's like when you don't put a floor 13 and a building exactly. Why one is our 13. Can I just say how fucked up that is that that's still exists people not building and it was 13. It's stupid because technically there is a floor 30. This is stupid. If you've ever noticed that guys in some older buildings in particular probably look look and see there's like no floor 13 because it's considered unlucky. How fucking yeah. Silly, is that yeah. It's kind of hilarious. Yes, it's well, it's hilarious because they're technically is you just didn't number you just numbered it 14 instead. You called it 14 dumbass. It doesn't make it. What do you think 13 13 13 is going to open up into a magical Dimension where all the businesses fail on this floor? Yeah. Maybe there's some kind of thing around it where every floor 13 had hauntings or something. I don't know every murder that ever took place in a I was on floor 13 back in the day. I don't know come see me at my apartment. I'm on the haunted floor. Yes. Yeah, so stupid I'm going to if I'm ever on floor 14, I'm going to start saying I'm on floor 13 come see me and nobody will ever see Rebecca again perfect says the introvert. So if you're like me, you have some form of anxiety or depression or just something on your mind that you feel is holding you back. Back from really I don't know going forward in life achieving your goals better help online counseling is here for us better help is available worldwide and you can connect with a professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. You can chat with a therapist via video or phone or use chat and text. I'm loving that they have text chat. 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Just hold on a second. I seriously are like boom boom boom boom them from above. But I locked the door. I locked the door before I came down. What did you have your heat on? No, I turned it off now Maurice. He's upstairs. My little cat. So I'm wondering if it was him. That was creepy. It sounded like a ball like when a ball there. There it is again. It sounds like a hammer. It's unsettling. I'm thinking it's go see no. Listen. I'm going to assume someone is hammering something nearby. There you go in another house not my it's not a ghost and it's just reverberating through the house. So, okay. Anyway, you don't want to go see anyways, I don't know. No, it's That's how I died. It was a good run. Okay, so we're back. Imagine if something just starts crawling under your shut up. Rebecca it's the big cockroach from Nashville coming to get me and then I see it like the hand come across your face. And then I'm like, oh shit. I gotta go. Could you imagine if Justin came home right now and open the door? I would fucking scream I would scream because he's at work. He's not coming home, but I would leave my shit. Oh my God. Okay, this this story better be spooky at this point best friend versus best bride advice. I had a best friend of five years of which we talked every day about any and everything. We were always laughing and joking about how our weddings would be and how we would be excited for that day. We never had any fights or disagreements in our relationship until the wedding process began. Of course, of course, that's when it all comes out guys my best friend became engaged in February of 2018 after getting pregnant a few months before the proposal like always I was very happy and supportive of her for her wedding and new baby. However, she any comments on several occasions that she wanted to focus on the baby and making sure everything was good for her child to come into the world and had never discussed setting a date or anything related to wedding planning after that her sister mother and other friends - one never stepped up to plan her a baby shower. So I decided to do so after attempting to ask others if they wanted to assist I ended up planning a really nice shower that she thoroughly enjoyed. Fast forward to September of 2018 my fiance and I got engaged her and her fiance decided to go to the courthouse and sign marriage papers and become legally married two days after our proposal. I was very excited for her and congratulated her as she had opted to keep it a secret from her entire family and only told me that she got legally married not to mention that she had only been a mom for about a week. That's a lot to do that week. Wow. Yeah hurry, I would be like like I have no interest in anything or anybody get away from me. I said sir. That's yeah pretty much was me the first week of my baby. Let me sleep. My boobs hurt her reason for going to the courthouse was because of insurance purposes involving the baby. I did not judge and was still very happy for her to spite portions of her story not adding up my fiance and I were and still are thrilled over the moon and decided that we wanted to get married on October 5th of 2019. Of course as she was my best friend. Salted with her just to ensure that we weren't planning anything that would interfere with her special day. Of course, she said congratulations and never commented on planning her wedding. I can see where this is going. Oh boy about three weeks later. I happened to be scrolling on Instagram and saw that she set her day for two weeks before my wedding despite the fact that we were still talking every single day. She never felt the need to bring it up to me until she noticed that I saw her instachat on. Graham weeks later. She finally mentions her date to me and I congratulated her and blatantly asked how will we work out being in each other's weddings and supporting each other with our weddings being so close to each other her response was that she would figure it out and run up and down the road to support me didn't really answer the question, but I didn't want to be that bride. So I let it go as the planning process progressed. She became more and more secretive. About her wedding, but wanted to know every detail of mine. Oh boy. Oh as a typical excited bride I talk to her every day about wedding ideas with my quote best friend not thinking that it would be an issue because you know, generally you don't you trust your best friend, right lo and behold As Time began to wind down. I noticed that she would use the ideas from my wedding and began to implement them into hers. For instance. She sided on the same exact colors seem exact time and eventually copying my bridesmaid proposals wedding dress shopping and everything. She was always very eager to find out what my venue was despite the fact that she made it a point to not disclose where I was hurt where hers was which wasn't really an issue the issue was that she was not honest about it and always played down her wedding saying I'm not doing anything special just throwing something together. One day she let it slip that. She had booked a venue eventually everything hit a wall for me and I ended up FaceTiming her and asking if we could discuss the wedding dates. I made her aware that it did bother me that our weddings were so close and that she didn't bother to talk about how we would work our special days out without getting in the way of each other. She profusely began to say that she was unaware I felt this way. She hadn't booked a venue or settled on a date or time again another story not adding up needless to say I received a text from her about five days later saying that she wanted to drop out of my wedding and that she did not want to take away from my day conveniently a day after I received that tax. She went public with her wedding website with the exact same colors same exact time and very similar wedding designs after everything resonated with me. I decided to take my wedding ideas in a Direction unfortunately, we are no longer friends over this one day that could have been easily discussed in settled out. Hell we could have helped each other plan our Weddings But unfortunately certain people want to make this wedding a competition. What do you ladies think is this worth patching up or should I just accept that she was probably a fake friend to begin with not sure how to feel about this whole wedding Fiasco. Holy shit. That is really shitty. I what do you think Rebecca? Oh, let me tell you the reason why she got married at the courthouse two days after you got engaged was because you got engaged clearly. Yep, so she clearly has to do everything before you which you know what that doesn't make for a good foundation for a friendship. No, I was going to say that's going to lead to bigger problems down the line. Yeah. I don't think I mean you can patch it up if you really want to but I think you should sit back and really look at how she's been there for you and what she has done for your friendship, you know, because you know, she's saying that she had no idea you felt that way but you know, if you if anybody anybody outside looking in at that, you know how the person is going to feel like it's it's a no-brainer really, you know what I mean? I think y'all so she you know, our writer or listener like reached out multiple times to this woman. Yeah to try to discuss things openly and honestly with her and she made it very clear through her actions actions speak louder than World words, right? Like she made it very clear that she had no intention of talking things out. Why should you she wanted to get the jump on you? And you know what? That's like I said not a good foundation for friendship. It's an it's not a friendship you you are her Competition basically also if our listener decides to have kids good luck because competition is already a thing amongst mothers. Mmm-hmm. And then enter a personality like that. I just I don't see that driving very well. So I feel like it'll only get worse. Yeah. Yeah, so I would say screwer just move on girl move on and put your friendship somewhere else. Do not give her the f Efforts in to suggest someone in to other people because people that are going to appreciate it or you know, put that energy somewhere else learn to knit do something that fuck the friend learn to knit. Listen to me a shitty scarf at this point is going to be more Comfort than that friend ever will be yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, where were you a little harsh? Sorry about your friendship that really sucks. That does suck. Yeah, but now you have a shitty scarf to keep you warm at night and us and I'll see you soon hug you Will totally come hug you as photographers. I don't know how many times you showed up to a wedding Rebecca, but there would be like missing ties. I don't know suit jackets to be the wrong size always there's always a mishap with someone suit and we have a new sponsor generation tux who have solved these problems, you know, you have everybody running around like crazy picking up the suits before the wedding day. You got guys flying in and Neva tably. There is a problem with the suit with generation. Tux you go online you order it and it actually gets shipped to your House like a couple weeks before the wedding. So you sighs everything make sure it's perfect. If the jacket is too big or something like that. All you do is tell them they send you another one. Yes, you can rule out all issues ahead of time. You know, it goes to all the groomsmen homes separately. It doesn't have to go to one location. And then after the party you simply throw everything back in a box use the prepaid label and drop it off at a UPS. So easy, there's free round-trip shipping free swatches free home try on and free rental for the groom with five paid rentals. They even have a website. Wedding planner program to assist all of you wedding planners out there. That's awesome. So let's save the time save some money and most importantly save your sanity by checking out generation talks.com secret. Don't forget to use promo code. It's a secret for 10% off on to you my dear. All right, we have another listener story. I'm going to be saying this every time now enunciate I'm not I'm not bitter now. This is a story of a wedding. I was maid of honor at all. Right, you know, it's going to be good then mmm. I was very honored to be maid of honor. Although I did feel like a little bit of a sellout because I had told her many times to dump her boyfriend now husband always fun when you get caught in that. Oh, my friend Pyrrha can be rather high-strung and gets really worked up about small things instead of setting a budget. She was determined to to have the cheapest wedding possible although both her and her fiance make good money while just because you making money doesn't mean you have to have expensive wedding. I was going to say like the internet would say weird flex, but okay. . Decided to have the wedding at her future in-laws backyard because it was free despite the fact that Pyrrha had declared the previous year that she was never going to spend Christmas with her boyfriend's parents again period was convinced that if she used the word wedding that the vendors would rip her off all threes all good do not get me started this resulted in a bizarre inverse game of Charades where she would call Bakers and ask for a white cake, but then pure would get upset when the baker's asked if it was for a wedding. We know why go back into a few previous episodes ago. There's a breeze and why I convinced pierrot not to self cater her original plan was for her and for the groom to make some sushi the night before and then cook steaks in their formal wear that sounds like that. This sounds like Poisoning waiting to happen. Yeah, I also failed to convince her to buy a dress that she didn't have to lose weight to fit into to pay the $400 to have her dress altered. She altered her own wedding dress with her parents despite never having sewn before. She also bought a sewing machine for this purpose. Yeah, that was pointless by the time you buy a sewing machine, right? I like how much are sewing machines like $200 at least 200 or more. All right, like good when would be even more but despite all the stress and close calls Pura fit into her dress. There were no seams visible on her dress the self-made bouquets and flower crowns were beautiful and not a hot mess. I feared they would be despite everything that could have gone wrong and the chain sawing that could be heard during the ceremony. Haha. That's funny. It was a beautiful wedding me and pierrot went wine tasting the next day. For her wedding really that's different that is here was glad you know, what? I would do that over the brunch. Just yeah pure was glad to get out of her in-laws house as one. Pierrot was upset that she felt judged when she asked for a second slice of leftover wedding cake for breakfast. I love her. Yeah, that's right to appear was also super upset that her new mother-in-law served her husband tried to Try to let's try to tri-tip steak. Is that where it's going? Is it a Steak & pure OU was served the Mexican leftovers that had given her husband food poisoning earlier in the week. However, the shit really hit the fan when I revealed that Pier is new sister-in-law Marilyn was drinking Rose a during the wedding. I asked where she found Rose a and Marilyn replied. It was her mother-in-law's special. - for special guests I Was Made of honored just a reminder. Oh my turns out that the that that Rose a had been purchased by Pura and her husband for the wedding. Oh, wow yikes. That's not cool. Wow. So the in-laws not so good. Not so good. I didn't see it going that way. I thought she was going to complain about the bride. I didn't see it going that way. No. Neither did I was like I was like what is happening? Wow. Crazy, well, that sucks. I feel I feel bad for the bread and food Point like food Mexican leftovers that caused her husband food poisoning that look that's just not cool. Listen, I would have assumed it was going to be the sushi they were talking about that's what I thought. Yeah, for sure. So this next story I saw this now, I wrote you as soon as I saw this and I was like put this in this week's episode and you were like, it's already in there. Yeah. Was it did you already pick it up or yeah. Oh my God. So funny. Okay. Yeah. So this was from Twitter and this is from someone named sixth-form poet. Okay? Now you have to you have to sit tight and hold on. This is this story takes some turns. Yeah, it's hilariously awesome. It's also going to take you a little while to see why it's on the secret life of weddings podcast. Okay fucking fabulous, but we get love it. But listen guys we get there in the end. Okay? Yes. So yes. He writes my dad died classic start to a funny story. He was buried in a small village in Sussex, which is an England. By the way. I was really close to my dad. So I visited his grave a lot. I still do. I always took flowers and my mom visited a lot and she always took flowers and my grandparents were still alive then and they always took flowers. My dad's grave frequently resembled a Eyelid third place at the Chelsea flower show. I love it. Nice, but I felt bad for the guy buried next to my dad. He never had flowers died on Christmas Day age 37. No one left him flowers. And now there's a pop of florist in the grave next door. So I started buying him flowers. I started buying flowers for a deceased man. I'd never met that's so nice of you friends with this guy. I did this for quite some time. But I never mentioned it to anyone. It was a little private joke with myself. I was making the world a better place one bunch of flowers at a time. I know it sounds weird, but I came to think of him as a friend. It's just too funny. I wondered if there was a hidden connection between us something secretly drawing me to him. Maybe we went to the same school played for the same football club or whatever. So I Googled his name and about 10 seconds later. I found him his wife didn't leave. I'm flowers because he had murdered her on Christmas Day after he murdered his wife. He murdered her parents too. And after that he jumped in front of the only train going through Balcom tunnel that Christmas night. That was why no one ever left him flowers. No one except me. Of course. I left him flowers. I left him flowers every couple of weeks every couple of weeks for two and a half years. Oh my God so long so long I felt terrible for his wife and her parents. Now, I wasn't going to leave them flowers every couple of weeks for two and a half years, but I did feel like I owed them some sort of apology. I found out where they were buried bought flowers and drove to the cemetery as I was standing out their graves mumbling apologies. A woman appeared behind me. She wanted to know who I was and why I was leaving flowers for her aunt and grandparents awkward. That's a long conversation. I did that's a lot to unpack lat I explained and she said okay, that's weird. But quite sweet. I said, thanks. Yes. It is a bit weird. And oh God. I asked her out for a drink incredibly. She said yes. Two years later. She said yes again when I asked her to marry me because that is how I met my wife. I love that creepy Goosebumps Were Meant To Be that's so bizarre. That's some hilariously weird shit bizarre. Yeah. Anyways so good. I just saw that I was like this has to go in the show because it's remotely related to weddings and it's a great story. It was awesome. It was so good. I love it. My dad made a speech at my brother's wedding saying that if my brother didn't get to her first, he would have married her. It was so awkward. And so inappropriate. Oh Squeeze no, no, no just like you know that old dude. That's just trying to be funny. One of them is just disgustingly disturbingly gross is it though there's age gaps everywhere. Yeah. It's no that's not no Rebecca. There's no saving this. No. Well, yeah. No, I guess so we have our Double D's this week? Our divorce and dating. So by the way guys if you have any stories divorce and dating or wedding-related you can email us secret life of weddings at gmail.com and send us your stories. You can also send us to me is super super duper solid and put that it's a dating or divorce story that would help Rebecca and also you can send us your voice recordings to record it on your phone. Whatever we like that just make sure you're in a quiet area because otherwise it's just annoying to deal with so this week we are Are doing divorce. I was representing a woman in her late 60's who was going through a contentious divorce with her husband who was in his early 70s. He was cheating on her with a younger woman which depressed me. I was hoping by the time men got to that age. They wouldn't be controlled by their penises anymore. Anyway, after a year and a half of paying us to torture each other they signed the documents right after signing. They asked if they could have A minute alone. So I pointed them to a conference room down the hall. I didn't think anything of it. They had grandkids and he had a PhD in Psychology while she was a counselor so they should work their shit out. Right? I thought they were just processing things about 15 minutes later. I walked past the conference room on the way to the bathroom when it sounded like they were moving furniture in there. I didn't think to knock. I just opened the door. They clearly just had been having um sex she was pulling her skirt down and he was pulling his pants up. I apologized and backed right out of the room. It seemed they were sort of reclaiming each other with one last hurrah or maybe they were torturing each other and channeling leftover aggression. And that one that was from the new york-based family. Lawyer James Sexton. That's all it's all awesome. It's great. That's so good. So funny. This is it. This is the last time you get to tap this one. Last go. Yeah, so I had said that we were going to do a QA like a million years ago. Didn't you say that I know so I had to put this in here because she had written us and yeah, so we're going to do this right now. Okay? Okay. Hi. Ladies. This is for your QA ask anything episode. I hope it's not too late. I heard it mentioned in one of your podcast last week. So that's totally cool. We're going to put in here and I'll email you like No, this has bothered me for the past year and I really need to know if this couple is the asshole or am I please keep this anonymous because we are still friends and I'm fearful of it getting back to them. My husband grew up in a small Midwestern town. We live on the west coast. This is important because maybe my issue is just because of different expectations for each region. Anyway, one of his best friends from childhood called and let us know that he was and his wife would be coming out for a visit and Staying with us for a week. I'd never had anyone invite themselves to stay with us like that. But I really do like them. So I figured it was no big deal. This would be a good time to point out that our lives have been a bit tough for the past few years and they know it. I have been battling serious health issues that leave me fatigued and in a lot of pain rheumatoid arthritis and lupus I should actually be on disability, but I'm the only one working as my husband is out of work he tries to help out at home. But before my illness I took care of everything so he's a bit lost and not very effective. Just put some really nice way of putting these fucking useless just working and keeping up the house are tremendous strain on me. Also. Our finances are tight with only one income for sure. Absolutely. Understandable. Sarah friends came out since we live not far from many touristy areas. I figured they'd want to go explore not so they the beer came out each day by noon. We paid for literally every expense groceries tourist attractions Etc. I was shocked when we were at the ticket booth and they stood back and let us pay for the whole group. Wow, they actually seemed annoyed that we didn't spring for lunch on the way home complaining that she is a diabetic and needs to eat. We stopped and they bought food for her only. Oh my God. Yeah. I seriously did not want to come home after 12 plus hours of tiring work just to drum up dinner for people who'd been sitting. Around all day including DH her dear husband, so I didn't dear husband and his bestie made several trips each day to the grocery store on my dime. There was no help around the house. So I got to manage the messes the hardest part for me to let go is that just prior to their visit? I had worked a ton of overtime. The extra money was to help us pay off some extra debt and to get to a comfortable place that never happened because Of the overtime and went to their vacation. I would have expected to spend a little extra but not the enormous amount that we spent over the week. I need to know am I a jerk for resenting spending almost a thousand dollars on someone else's vacation or is this a Midwestern thing then they need to get used to I'm actually terrified of the next visit, but I want to be prepared. I also realized you're in Canada. I'd really like to hear your opinion and possibly of those in the midwestern u.s. No, thanks. No, they're douchebags completely. Let me just say that first of all, I was a guest would never in a fucking million years expect anybody to front anything for me. If especially if I'm staying at their home for free Hello, I would not sure if I would never invite myself to someone's home. Oh, I wouldn't do that either. I'm very much not a person to do that people generally have to ask me numerous times for me to come like yeah. Yeah. I would not feel right. No, no and you know what if they're coming to visit again? I would seriously set some expectations because it is not fair that you're hauling ass making extra money and spending it on someone else's vacation like this just not cool. Absolutely not and you should bring enough by hosting them. You should yeah draw a line in the sand create an reason why you can't host them say you're renovating the extra bedroom or like something because I feel like if you don't put up some boundaries. It's just going to happen again. Yeah manage their expectations because like Rebecca said because it's you're just going to be about money again. You're going to resent them. I want to know how your husband feels about it. Yeah. Yeah. I think you need to have a little sit-down to chat with the hubby about it because he kind of needs to put that in place with his bestie. Yeah, you know that. Yeah for sure maybe okay. Yeah. Maybe you guys can come. But if you do we kind of need you guys to help chip in with food and stuff because well it's like when you have a friend like me and Rebecca for instance, if we go out and we're around each other all the time, but if we're going out on the podcast, you know, we're not using podcast money to pay for something like a for on a podcaster for something. I'll pay this time and then Rebecca pay next time and like that's how a healthy friendship works. I it's like you have to find that natural like balance or else people will just get resentful, right? Feliz oh because it's yell one-sided. Oh, I have an example. So my husband and my son went out to be C snowboarding, right and they stayed with family now. Yeah for sure we had to pay for their plane tickets to go and why not and they offered they wanted to put up my husband and my son which was very very kind. Right and we really appreciate it and you know, they had been making them meals and stuff which they didn't need to but my husband full-out took them out three times. Inner there you go for it, you know because you just can't and plus, you know, he ordered pizza to the house and he like, you know, I mean he was trying to make up for that because it was he already appreciated just being able to stay there like that was already enough for him like and that's just the way we are. So yeah. No, we would never never never never never never do that. No, and I don't know anybody that would do that to me either. Now so I wouldn't say it's regional at all. I would see it the say it's just being an asshole. Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Yeah, they're cheap dicks. Sorry put some hard lines in the sand talk to your husband about it and they can get fucked the end. Thank you for listening and sending us your question. That was really really good. So the little political flag, do you want to explain what happened a little bit? All right. guys where fun comedy podcast and we took a trip to Nashville where we went out and we it came to our attention that the bar that we chose to go to had a political affiliation with Trump your president, so Yeah, because we went know that we went to the Kid Rock Bar which we talked about and apparently yeah, he is a trump supporter and I guess he's done some problematic shit with you know, Auntie lgbtq, you know, I did, you know gets very deep. But the point is we're two Canadians. We didn't make a choice of the bar based on politics. We also didn't know we weren't aware but we just wanted to clarify that we didn't mean to be supportive of anything like that. We Have No Agenda. Of course, we had you know, we're not political at all. So we want we just want to point that out in case that disappointed anyone it was not intentional. We didn't even know about it just to crazy Canucks and the state's having a good time. So thank you for your understanding and we just wanted to talk about it because we didn't want you guys to think we were trying to be supportive of something problematic when we really weren't and we wanted to say that we've made a decision to bring a a new rule into our group because a lot of people expressed concern about politics kind of entering into our fan group on Facebook the fans of Secret Life weddings and were space in our community. Yes guys. There's no room for it. Now. It's just you know what it is and I'm not saying that to be dicks. No, I just you know what we need. We agreed that we just need a space where you can go and it's not a part of our community. It's just a break politics are Very important. I completely agree that they are but our little Community is a break from it. Yeah, and we're just going to keep it cool in there, you know with pair up to 2,500 people now it's going to start to get heated at some point certain topics. And that's just a hot-button topic that there's really no point in going around in the circles in our group because we're comedy were not related to it. And there's so many places on Facebook. You can let loose if you want to, you know voice your opinion, which you're more than welcome to have either side. But if we can just keep our group chill about it, that would be amazing. We really appreciate it. But thank you for you know, understanding our position and for respecting that and you know, 99.9% of the time you guys are fucking fabulous in our group. So we love you for that. We appreciate you we appreciate your support and we know that you guys are going to keep politics out of it and we're just going to talk about broad shitting themselves. And really that is why we're all here Zach. Right, you know priorities right power to the bride shitters. Exactly. So you got funny wedding stories. You got something else another, you know harmless meme or something Come Share It show me show me a llama me my will laugh my ass off. Let's let's keep it about the llamas people. Just keep it about the longest. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah definitely just make sure to go join our Facebook group fans of Secret Life of weddings. We do have a ton of fun in there. It's a very supportive group. Inclusive very fun, and we love you all and if you want to come chat with us on the more regular, yes more interactive type of chatting come on over to flip chat download the app click chat and find us secret secret life of weddings and join our group go over there. It's super fun. We're talking about everything over there. Oh crap, I forgot to put the flick Link in the show notes last time so bug me. 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Hi, this is Susan delicate and welcome to episode 2 of the studio Insider art podcast today. I talked a bit about the evolution of my creative Journey about maintaining creative momentum as an artist and developing a consistent practice. I hope you enjoy the episode. In these episodes I'll bring you deep inside my art studio practice and how I run my business as a professional artist. I'll be sharing loads of useful information about my tools my materials and of course my mindset but most of all this podcast is about the ups and downs in this karada crazy Life as a professional artist so welcome inside my studio. I hope my journey can help you feel a bit more at home. Looking your own in this first season of the podcast. I'll be coaching my good friend and Studio assistant Laura day through the process of preparing for her first solo exhibition. We talked about everything from how to finish paintings and a cohesive body of work to finding your own style to wrestling with all those big emotions that come along with putting your work out into the world. There is something here in this first season for every emerging artists. Welcome back to the podcast. I'm thrilled to be back and it was lovely hearing all of your feedback on our very first episode last week. So thank you very much for returning. I'd like to also welcome back my studio assistant Laura J to the podcast. How are you Laura? I'm good. How are you? Susan? Good. Thank you and just to fill you in in case you didn't catch last week's episode. Laura is joining me on the podcast for season 1 and we are taking the opportunity. Her to ask me any questions she has in any way that I could be helpful to her in the lead up to her first exhibition it she's having in a couple of months. So, what did you what questions do you have for me today? Laura? Well, it's a two-part question. I think would be helpful for the listeners to learn about how you started your painting Journey. I've heard a little bit of a but I'd like to hear a little bit more because I'm sure I'll learn. Something new in our conversation today and then something that I often get stuck with is about keeping your momentum going. So, you know, we start on this painting Journey. We do a workshop. We buy our beautiful art supplies. We get really inspired, but then it's figuring out how to fit it in our life and how to keep those ideas fresh and that enthusiasm going and all of that so Those are the two questions today lovely. Okay. Do you want to start with how it all started with out with you did with me? Well, you know like everyone it's a it's a start that took place for over several decades as a kid. I was really creative and I loved creating things but I wasn't one of those kids that decided that they wanted to be an artist when they grew up. I don't know. I think there was one stage. I wanted to be a gymnast all kinds of Random. Some stuff but I do remember when I was 15. I read a book at school called. My name is Asha Loaf and it was about an American Jewish artist growing up in Brooklyn in the u.s. In the 1950s. And it's this story. It's fictitious but it felt so real to me this story of this boy growing up and becoming he was like this child prodigy artist and I was just transfixed and I learned about this artist that lived in our town. Her name was Ellen Michelle. I believe she's still alive. I really should make contact with her again who was a painter and she was the still lightful lady. She was so effervescent and she took these private painting classes in her Studio at her home and I begged and begged my parents to let me go and do classes with her and to my surprise. They actually let me which I have to really give them credit for because this was this was back when you know, they didn't have a lot of money. I was the final child of four children. It was for them to Fork out for art put oil painting supplies was actually a pretty big deal. But so I'm forever grateful to them for allowing me to do that. And so I learned painting with Ellen. I learned oil painting in the tradition of tonal realism, which is a School of Art here in Australia part of the Heidelberg school, I believe and I painted mostly black and white paintings because the whole methodology behind painting in that tradition is all about tone. So we painted a lot of we painted so many black and white paintings before we even arrived at color. But anyway, then I sort of got to your 12 and I had to kind of focus on my studies and my VC and I didn't do as a subject in my final year of school and I ended up graduating and going to University and while I didn't study art at the University. A city I studied at history for six years, which was all absorbing for me. I found they lives of artists to be so fascinating and just I learnt so much back then than I am grateful that I know now such as just the simply the lives of the artists and understanding that they were human that they had all of the same sort of stumbling blocks that we have and you learn about these things when you You read their letters and read books about their lives and what they went through. So it was a really wonderful experience doing that. And then I did a complete 180 from my University career. I was I got to the point where I was lecturing and tutoring at University and I was doing my masters and I was decided I was going to do a PhD and become an academic and then I just decided I didn't want to do that because I'd been getting very crafty at home and creative and so making all kinds of things and making jewelry so had been the very crazy decision to leave uni, and I ended up via a route of making jewelry becoming a fashion designer and opening a shop in Melbourne and running a clothing label in Melbourne, which has been around nearly for 20 years now, which was a wonderful experience, but it was also something that burned me out big time by the time I was I think 37 38 I was just done I had to do IVF to have a baby and that is very stressful. And in the end. I doubt I downsize that business and I moved here to bail her out which is where both Laura and I live and I had a baby which was a wonderful experience and then I have another one really close after that which was not planned. It's my miracle baby and I was in that wonderful. And that you get when you become a mother where you step away from work for a period of time and you have space to dream and you have time at home to steal moments and you really sort of in the paint and the creative things with small children. So you kind of start to double again and I felt the bubbling up of that whole dream re-emerge for me during that time and Yeah, I just grabbed hold of it and didn't let go of it. But I also in that period between the clothing label and the having kids I was doing a lot of coaching of creative professionals and teaching them how to run businesses using all the skills that I learned in my clothing business. So I had basically the business equivalent of multiple personality disorder. I had a clothing label. I still actually sell pieces from it's called Mount design if anyone chooses to look at it don't judge me by my ancient website. It's ma in QE design.com today you and I have another business called creative conversation, which is pretty much evolving into what we're doing now with the art business and then I decided to pursue art. So I came to this point where I really had to make a decision and a commitment about what path I was. Following and I also came about some health challenges around that time after my children were born which meant that I needed to really take time out for myself to heal which is we dipped a little bit into this conversation last time on the podcast and I kind of instinctually started creating and painting my way through it. Like I just I came to the art as the Fulfillment of like there was definitely that That's right. I followed from being a teenager and being really fascinated by our an obsessed with this notion of being a professional artist. Like I was really interested in it to coming to this point in my thought when I was 39. I think when I really made that solid commitment to myself that this was something I really wanted to devote time to and pursue. Yeah, and I once I made that decision that was it for me. I just sit went for it. So Did you see in that healing journey and when you started to use painting as sort of your therapy or or your your way to express yourself? Did you see it evolving into the business that it that it is now hell's no there's absolutely nothing predictable in any of the twists and turns of my business Journeys there have been many. why I could never have predicted how any of it was going to unfold and I really followed it because I felt like with my clothing label and with the fashion Journey that and I think this is something that a lot of people probably confront if there are creative kid going up when you when you have to decide. What am I going to do with my life in making decisions about University Etc. There was always this emphasis on in my upbringing on will howdy, how can we be practical about this? Like I was really always aware that there had to be aware could make money from it and when Was in Academia of a sudden I got a scholarship. So I was earning money from that when I created the clothing label when I did that I skipped the whole bit where I did loads of markets for years. I lugged around clothing initial Ray and very Grassroots level built my business and it became quite successful and I am Got to a place with it where I that was the place you're meant to want to be with your flagship store and my warehouse or within a city Melbourne. It was all very funky and groovy, but I was miserable and I discovered the hard way that You couldn't take your creative dream and you can turn it into a cage. It's it's easy to do and I proved to myself that I could do that with the clothing label. So their art was always about keeping it pure and keeping it as a space for me to evolve and unfold my creativity and my healing and all of those nourishing beautiful things. So from the outset that has always been the core of it for me. And I've been very Mindful and very gradual and very considered in the way that I've crafted my business around the Arts so that I maintain that core Integrity that it's there to feed me and to bring Beauty to the world, but they're very high lofty goals I have for what I intend from my heart with my heart. So yeah, I don't even know if that answers the question I said it's mine as you were talking. I was thinking like it were there people that you were looking towards or how did you learn to evolve your painting style or absolutely I went to Art School online is yeah, we all do these days. Yeah, so I know I didn't go to art school, and I went to I did I learned about history and did that whole academic side of it, but I never went to Art School. So everything that I have learned has been from other artists that have either shared their skills with me in person or it has been a class that I've taken online over the past seven years of my life. I think it's so amazing. What is out there these days what other artists so generously make available to us in sharing their knowledge and their expertise and their style and their creative unfolding with us. So yes, I went to school online. Fine and in various different places some I've learnt from wonderful women such as flora bolli and Faith Evans Sills and maybe Rose McDonough. Oh and ah numerous others. Mmm. I'm sorry if I've forgotten your name awesome. So yeah, that's where I looked and then I had a very rigorous art practice and I was really prolific for the first few years of My art making and I documented the whole journey online and social media and that is how my business began simply mostly through Facebook actually and really just I didn't have a business page. I was just posting on my personal page and if they were very it was just hey, this was what I made today and people responded and some people wanted to buy things and that's how it just all yeah evolved from that very organic level. And when did you start to why's that it was shifting from like this healing, you know, creating, you know personal work to hey, I can make money and people are really liking this and this could actually be a thing that could take over from your fashion business and make you money. Yeah short. I mean I am a really entrepreneurial person by Nature. So I very rarely do anything for very long without asking myself the question of how Can I monetize this so it was always in my mind. I want to make this work because I want to keep doing this and there are certain Financial realities in life. You need to have that period around I did very fortunately had that period around having my children where I had a little bit of space to be able to create without the pressure of needing to make income. But I knew that that would have to change if I wanted to continue to do that. So. Yet very much. So from an early stage. I knew I wanted to monetize. I just said yes to everything. Yeah. If someone said I wanted to buy that I didn't think too hard about that just put a price on it and I sold it to them all my commission's were styles that I guess I would consider now to be outside of my own but I wouldn't have known what my style is if I hadn't painted those so they're part of that journey, and also I think with commission work once people see that Doing commissions people know that they can ask you for one. So that in itself Fed Up itself, which has become one of the biggest income streams in my business, but it has been very gradual and I don't want to give people the idea that it was like, you know, I woke up one morning and suddenly I was making a living from being an artist because it's been an enormous process over the last four years for five years building to the level where I am now and making gradually making decisions and also taking my time more than I did with my previous businesses because It's been a healing process for me the making of the art. So I've had just it's there's been lots of stops and starts and realignments and checking in with myself. If this is really the direction I want to move in and yeah, yeah and back to the question. I asked at the start around keeping momentum going. I mean like for me I feel like there's times where I do get stuck and I do like it really inspired, but then it's like You know, how do I keep keep going and capable moving and keep creating and be consistent. I've seen you working in the studio and working alongside you and it seems like you've got it ingrained within you and things just flow quite easily. So I'm not sure if you'd like to share a bit about how you've come to that place of He's and flow and and being quite prolific with your creative output. Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess the first part to that is that I really do regard painting as a practice in the same way that a yoga practitioner regards their yoga practice as a practice and I love that word because when you practice something it means you're practicing you're learning you're refining your in process with. Thing that's in evolution all the time. And one of the great gifts that my education in art history gave me is about that. Very thing all artists all great artists that have you know, not that I aspire to be an artist that's in the history books. But when you read through their stories, there is always a Common Thread of it is a practice for them. They are a hundred percent committed to their Journey probably a little bit. It obsessive I am sure I am like she would agree which probably helps and hinders in some ways as well. But the point being that it's a practice. It's something that is a discipline. So and the difference between it with the practice and discipline is that you do it regardless of how you're feeling. So even on days when I'm not feeling it I try to do some small thing that is creative and that might not even be picking up a brush. Might be cleaning my studio and arranging beautiful flowers in there. Like it's something that's supportive of my art practice. But I'm there. I'm in the studio. I'm doing something. and the other part of it I guess is the other train at the other extensive training that I've done after University was as a life coach. So I no longer coach people in a professional context, but When you become a coach you have to be coached. So you do like to become quite a disciplined person. So I've learnt a lot of tools along the way that helped me to stay focused that help me to move through difficult moments in my own creative process or my own mind search blocks. And yeah, I've found a lot of different strategies for moving through those and Dad, I have to learn to lot from other artists through what they've shared through their genes as well. Yeah, so it is it's about taking action and figuring out like what works for you what motivates you and what can be your rituals. It's a prank keep you inspired and it's getting in there every day. Well not every day. It can be every second day. I don't whip myself with it if I really need a day off I take a day off because that's just not supportive of my health, and I've learned better than to do that. Hmm But And I'm reasonably comfortable with being uncomfortable if that even makes sense know like the stitches. There's a certain isn't that as a certain discomfort and uncomfortable element to being an artist and there are many moments that are very uncomfortable and unsure like we were talking through last week about you know, how do I know how to finish a painting? That's so it could be such a wrestle. Mmm. So those kinds of moments your relationship with those kinds of moments defines. How how productive you are with them and for me one of the biggest secrets is I just keep painting. I make a lot of work. Hmm. I make a lot of work and it's the there's something about the swiftness and keeping moving through it that gives me the freedom to move through those moments because not everything hinges on the if this one painting works or not. So when I am in front of the one painting like, you know, it's Condition for a client but does matter mmm I can muster up those feelings of it's okay. It's just another painting and I can convince myself of that for the time that I need to convince myself that she complained that painting. Yeah, and that works for me. Yeah. Mmm another question that's linked into this. Is there any resources or books or things that have helped you along your creative Journey? Oh, yeah, they've been so many. Gosh, I think one of my favorite and possibly the most formative for me and I know it's been a really formative for a lot of artists is Julia Cameron's the artists way. Have you ever done that? Yeah, I've never completed it to I think the soldier but the morning pages are amazing. Yeah, and maybe explain if people don't know what the morning pages are as well. Yeah short so it's so Julia Cameron. She is an American Author its 12-week program. For artists in recovery. So she talks a lot about confronting any of those Early Childhood wounds like a fatty tart teacher told you art was rubbish and shut you down and then you try to move through years of kind of self-criticism as a result. She kind of teaches you processes and mindsets for me and practices like a riding practice, which is the morning pages that you write every morning stream-of-consciousness three pages about anything to just loosen up your creative muscle and so it's this 12-week program of recovery for Creative people. Yeah, so that's an absolutely wonderful book. I think another one that was super helpful to me in the early days of said o'clock when I realized I wanted to become an artist and wanting to make an art business Lisa condon's are Tink was really great. So I haven't read that. It's actually really practical and really good. In terms like I learned how to set up my files. Hmm on my computer through suggestions in that book. She also does a lot of artist interviews in there. And yeah, it's a really good. It's a really worthwhile read if you if you really wanting to make a business of your art and your in the early stages of it. And then I think another one that I found hugely helpful particularly around Like transforming negative beliefs and moving like, you know, when you have those really big blocks that you come to on and on your art Journey like there can be some really big blocks along the way I found Joe dispenza really helpful. He has written a number of books. One of the ones I really loved was called breaking the habit of being yourself. So it's not strictly an art book at all. It's more I guess in the self-help sort of Arena, but really brilliant. Look for helping to transform those negative beliefs into a more positive mindset and I really like how he explains how that occurs on a biological level in terms of our brains. It's really important. We understand and respect our biology that's part of the process. And yeah, I found those three to be really good and you recommended his meditations to me too. And they've been really helpful. Yeah, visualizing and imagining myself stepping into this role as as artist and a painter. Oh, that's great. Yes movies those two and they came the ones that we've been doing came from his latest book is you are the placebo know having super now becoming Supernatural. Yeah. Yes. We read some interesting things don't we Laura but yet anything Joe dispenza has written I find Brilliant and I think the both of us it's been also because he it's not just about creativity and moving into what you want to be. It's also really been helpful in our healing Journeys as well. So yeah, well, there's some great resources. I think they'll help people awesome. Yeah. Well you've answered my niggling questions. I'm not sure if there's anything else you'd like to share. I think that's enough about me for today. It's been amazing. It's been really good, and I did learn some new things for awesome. Thanks, Laura. Thanks everyone. Bye. We'll see you next time. Bye. Thanks for joining me for the studio inside a podcast. You can always see more of my art over on the Susan netiquette.com. And if you're interested in learning for me or checking out the podcast link, so you can find those on my education website at Susan Advocate studio.com. I love hearing your comments and feedback. So feel free to Leverage. On iTunes or find me on Instagram at Susan netiquette. Catch you next time.

In this episode Laura asks me about where it all began for me on my art journey. I talk about the winding road that led me to being a painter- from art history academic to fashion designer, to creative business consultant and and finally professional artist. We also talk about how to maintain momentum as an artist and how to develop a consistent practice. Laura also asks me about some book recommendations for emerging artists and I talk about three of my favourites. You’ll also learn about my philosophy on the value of a consistent art practice and what that means. We also chat about why being productive is so important to the evolution of your style and the value of allowing art making to also be a healing journey  Thanks so much for joining us this episode, to become a Susan Nethercote studio-insider, receive our newsletter and loads of FREE goodies to help you in your art business: www.susannethercotestudio.com/free-resources  People  Laura Day:  laurajaneday.com Instagram Facebook Susan Nethercote:  Instagram  Facebook  susannethercote.com For Susan's free education resources:   https://www.susannethercotestudio.com/free  For Susan's art website:  https://www.susannethercote.com  Books  Julia Cameron- ‘The Artist’s Way’ Lisa Congdon- ‘Art Inc’  Jo Dispenza ‘Becoming Supernatural’, ‘Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself’ and ‘You are the Placebo’

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Like I couldn't watch the wide world of Disney or whatever was on it like seven and you just sit there with the spinach on the plate and then you try to maybe choke it down without gagging we didn't you but namakkal now looks like Sarge's well he Dated timeouts because o because they lost their loophole. Yeah. Well, they lost their potency. Yeah when their son just was like I'll do time right now. You know what that I'll take a timeout. Yeah. It's like it's like how went for for leg when you're a parent and you just want some free time like you're happy to go to the dentist or run errands. You know what that's what the kid was doing. I'll go to dances right now. My kids aren't there. Okay. Wow, so burn Abby. Yeah said that she doesn't think that you have a booming yelling voice. In terms of when you are disciplining your kids, but for some reason she thinks you have a great fear inducing stare. I think that's first of all, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me it makes me feel bad for you pee. No. No, it's a horrible shit showed him. So but what I will say to that is that it's not true because my kids don't even look up but it doesn't mean you don't have a fear inducing stare. They just don't look they can't see I'm like trying to refine it and they don't even know what's happening. They're too busy looking down at whatever. Well the two primary skills. You need are the parent voice and is and the death stare, right? Yeah. We're like if you're in public like at a restaurant you can like I do. I think I have I do one of those you can do that. Yeah, right. Let's get that jaw going. Yeah, right just so we did we did to last week because the week before we didn't have any and Sarah Dawn who I think may be a new subscriber on YouTube was very disappointed. She said her life was ruined that we didn't have Yeah, that was kind of very nice sweet. I'm like, I'm sorry your life is ruined. Yeah, glad that we play such an important role in it. You know what that works out for us. Wow. Yeah, and she spoke a little bit about our birthday. Yeah our birthday episode where she said she likes she's not as enthusiastic about drop-off parties. I think as every single other parent on Earth is yeah, but then she says it's because then she gets forced to take the other kid who wasn't invited to the party like a trampoline or park or someplace else which gets expensive. That's the thing like my kids get real jealous of each other now and if I like if I give one thing to one the other one starts going crazy because he wants to tell ya I mean come on these announcer the Ravelry things a little bit new for me. We should do an episode on siblings. Let's do it do that one down the line. Yeah. And so father stage, we just did a Father's Day. It was obviously just fought yesterday was Happy Father's Day. Thank you. Happy Father's Day to you. Thanks others that are out there, especially all of others. Not the deadbeats though. Yeah those guys the ones that many for something with a dick and make a baby takes a real man to be able to raise his kids. I think Furious style said that in Boyz in the Hood. Okay. Well that's voice that there's a couple of lessons that Furious relays to his child who is eventually played by Cuba Gooding jr. I don't know. I think that was the outside. I think it was just a random lesson he gave him one time but one time he said always always look another man of the I make them respect you. I was remember that the one I think I remember the best was when he taught him the Pythagorean theorem, so The three triangles and I thought that was really sort of meaningful. Is it three triangles are the Pythagorean decides? Yeah, the three sites that yeah a squared plus b squared. You got it. You got it. Okay, so also will so MSP by and said that that she likes Father's day except for it's actually on her birthday. Now that's sucks sucks. It sucks for that. No, that sucks for her husband. It sucks for everybody. It does suck for everybody. But the birthday takes precedence over. Thursday I think well, but her husband is otter they have to decide in advance like who's getting the day? Yeah, because otherwise like his the enjoyment of Father's Day for him is gone because he's got the stress of dealing with her birthday, but the the but it's not it will hold on. Is it always the same date Father's Day? No, I don't think so. Third Sunday a junior nice and sunny June. I think this year it happened to fall but that's still a bummer. It's definitely a bummer but she said as she thinks does think I may be a little You mean to you yesterday? Maybe she was paying some funds to patreon because she wanted me to use the money to get a new co-host but she's insist. That's not the case. She says I don't want P doubt. She wants guests to add to the crazy mix. Yeah, eventually, we'll have some guests take it that extra. My wife is crowing about wanting to be on here. You know, what maybe you should catch it and being my wife. Yeah first. Okay. Yeah, we'll see how really concentrate hot solidify that portion before we start adding podcast guests to the mixing Jesus. All right. So this week we're talking about summer break school is out for summer in just a week for us. I know it's out already for a lot of your kids. Yeah, we're going to get into the pros and cons and cons and cons of that right after this. Let's do it. Hey, Mike, have you heard of Spotify before? I have heard of Spotify? Really? Yeah, because on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now here. 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I would be a mirror was this notion is when she was in like The Scarlet Letter which is like a controversy because she was too hot and dumb for it or something. Wait a second you're pulling Up a reference about Demi Moore. I'll never I've never forgotten the fact that she said I would be amiss. I think that's what she said. I would be remiss if I didn't mention right? I think that's what she said. She definitely meant to say remiss in either used it wrong or use the wrong word and its place. Yeah. There's some my brain works. This is what I'm talking about because I would be remiss you know what you nailed it. If I didn't mention that Father's day was yesterday Happy Father's Day again, Pete. You deserve it. You know, you have more kids than I do you're better at it just in general. You have a better demeanor everything your temper. And is more suited to raising children than mine. You know, what's interesting is that I'm every time I walk in that door I go I go to like a low seven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah glow rage haven't and but yeah, well, thank you and happy Happy Father's Day to you and Happy Father's Day to all belated father's. Well those soda. Did you get any good? It's matching socks that I you know what I got. It was perfect. I got breakfast in bed, which was great eggs toast. This absolutely gross chicken like mint sauce. Is it cool it was so it was a purchased sauce. It was a purchase sausage that was just weird flavors and should not have the some weird sausage flavors out there. There is a bitch Jerry I had to not going to sit here leave it and debate. Oh and they didn't eat the sausage that that wasn't your kids fault didn't buy that menu items. I think that was there was someone else's fault in the house. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but you know what, but I could tell what I won the kids contribution was the largest bowl of yogurt with fruit inside of it that I've ever had to eat. It was like an entire serial or Father's Day can do whatever you want. I know remember it's nationally mandated that your family. That's what you're saying last week that your family celebrate you the way that you want. Do you know that I use that like three times yesterday like as it's a national holiday, I give me some goddamn respect. I would drive a drive down to the barbecue. I was getting some shade and I just was like, it's Father's Day back off you. We were getting some shade from your kids. You weren't like catching some shade. So you didn't get a sunburn. It wasn't using the slang term. Yeah, it wasn't from my kids. It was from my lovely wife or significant other my so it was really shooting here a so and I was like don't do that not today and then the other my other dad friend than I was with we banded together like yeah back off Father's day. You came at your wife together or well they will we were all we were was it what was it you two against each of your wives or was it two on one against? No, no. No, it was us to versus those two and usually when well, they every single time they win. Yeah and every other day and this was 60% of the time and they didn't know what to do when every got 60% there's a movie reference. That's your over to. All right. So I so we had a really busy day on Saturday went to the dyno Field Station dinosaur in New Jersey, which my kids loved and then we went to a concert Death Cab. For Cutie, which was a Band-Aid introduce my wife to when we first met and she has sentimental attachment to it. I don't we went in the opener was a band. We also liked or an artist we also liked so we were really wiped out on Sunday my wife, you know, maybe a little more wiped out than me. She didn't wake up till say like 10:30 11:00. I didn't get a Happy Father's Day to like noon so much so that I thought you was mad at me Oh, I thought she was like purposely what a power move. Maybe it was the Lord works in mysterious ways. So I thought literally thought like I was waiting for the other shoe to drop for a while. Like she's giving me the silent room is like it's not like her to not make Fanfare about holidays even for other people. She loves holidays. She loves celebrating birthdays even other people's and I was waiting for the other shoe to drop where she was just gonna come at me with something that you know, I did in her dream or some shit. I don't know didn't turn out to be the case. It was just real low-key Father's day, which is kind of how I liked it, but It wasn't great. You know it was because they give they got a cool gift from from my kid. I got a six pack of beer. I wanted for my wife. We don't have it were kind of strapped right now. So we're taking these we did the event the night before it was fine, like relaxing all day, but I'll tell you I woke up this morning and it turns out overnight. I got a Father's Day gift from Instagram and the form of a blue checkmark. Wow. Geez. I'm really traditionally verified for a second. I think we can talk about something else that you were getting a present. No, no. Okay. No no come on, but so let's see we were married. 12 years. Yeah, so you got verified that little blue check happen. Yeah, you know what? That means? No, that means I don't even know think I don't think anything some people think it's impressive. I got a couple congratulations. Okay. I did apply for a couple of times it took awhile from who did you get congratulations from I don't remember no one and a couple people message me worth all that were three worth worth. It spelled with an E. I want to hook up on her last name tight. Worth it. 37 said Mazel such a big achievement. You know, that was nice of her somebody else. I was little story. I did an Instagram this morning from the bus stop. I said something about having gotten a blue checkmark and then, you know having forgotten to do something and she wrote to me celebrities. They're just like us I said, no, please don't I'm not a celebrity. No, not yet. Not yet. Not with those not yet. And with those jeans, you know what you know, what a celebrity. Which these are celebrity jeans the kind of jeans it only celebrity can pull off. Okay, that's which is why I'm not pulling them off. Yeah, but I'm saying if I were a celebrity would not be out of bounds for me to wear these jeans. We've seen some of the stuff Lady Gaga. Where's she's a fashion icon and you are have just been verified and it's you know, what Instagram, you know, it's fucking it's right there. We're right in there real next week shot real next to each other that you make sense doesn't matter. Alright, so let's get into the topic. So so it's just Omer I said, I was I did a little strain the way back for my kids but stop the story was about how this was the beginning of his last full week of the year so here in Brooklyn he's got this full week and the next week two days or a day and a half and then we out yeah and then it's just two months a little bit more than two months of just nightmare like I'm unemployed right now, which means I'm at home. Oh my god with these kids. all summer Somebody said to me the same thing is happening to her. And I said that's literally the number one reason. I need to get a job. She said she's unemployed chandeliers. I'm unemployed. I'm half excited and half terrified to be home with the kids, but because of doing home projects and her not bringing in an income from being unemployed. They have no vacations planned. So she needs to figure out some like activities and day trips and stuff and I'm like, I'm in the same boat. I am going to be forced to fill their time. How about can't grandparent? I'm not looking forward to it. Well, we're going to get into that because a couple of people brought up camper. Anchor. How about like Camp? I can't do the same for my grandparents are too old. They prefer the baby of the family. It's a lot more low maintenance. My kids can be pretty high-maintenance now, we'll go there for a few weekends. Maybe use the pool but during the week is the issue. Yeah, right during the week is well. So what happens when what I think in theory the Concept of I find myself thinking. Oh, it's summer. Oh cool. Like I've been trained in you from being a kid you feel like there's less and I'm like really great to be fair at work things. Maybe are a little bit more lacks. Maybe there's summer Fridays that kind of stuff but running on your business. A lot of times summer is a little bit slower. August can be a pretty dead month. A lot of people take vacations, right? But I think that with school I always find myself forgetting that it becomes a scheduling nightmare. Oh, yeah, we've got the kids in In camps, but all of a sudden every week it's different. Oh, yes or somebody said that I have three kids. They're now in three different drop offs at three different time. Megan Brazil says that she's got kids doing Day Camp. She's dreading new schedule. Yeah, right and a lot of times they're in like different camps, which I'll start like for not of you I'm not even saying like your three kids are in different camps. I'm saying like for two weeks your kids are in one camp and then two weeks later. They're in a different campuses different scheduling brother. I have three different camps had a whole three different times. Yeah. This shit is for Real oh and the best is yeah, you're you know, making brecht making sandwiches like oh no, you don't make sandwiches this week because sandwich is a part of the talk and you're like, I got an extra sandwich right now to smash it in my face. So someone mention that so the filling the time is is the challenge right for me because I don't like to do things. I don't I certainly don't like the bring kids places and a lot of people suggested the things that they do to fill time. So funky fee. Our friend said she actually asked her son about his plans and he said he wants to spend a lot of time at the public pool and watch TV all night long. Remember when you were a little kid and like watching TV all night long was exciting. Hey, if you're if you're out all day, why not watch TV as long as you want as long as you're doing something like, you know, I'm not talking about her. I'm done with a little kid. I just wanted a little kid watching TV all night what cares he's out all day. So he deserves a break. Yeah that all day do it, you know having fun. He deserves a break, but just out there in front of a screen. It's called go to bed. Oh good. You've innate yourself. Vineet yourself you rejuvenate your I wish I could it's over for me. I never catch up on anything. I'm never have energy for the rest of my life. So Alicia Leanne Pate. Hope I nailed that said they've been on summer break since the end of May. Let's got to set a lot of people especially down south or middle. We got to stop country. We have to fucking stop getting out of summer break like in May and then going back in fucking law know, it depends it's different because it's too hot the pain. I don't care. It's stupid. But it's the climate based thing. That's why it may be our weight is real date really, it's Memorial Day Labor Day that's been like that. I know but 1820 is your kid out of school yet? And I just made up this your kid out of school yet know exactly so I don't care your what do you understand you're complaining that she gets out in May but you're saying the traditional because the break should be I think it should be the one of the qatar's are the kids you get screwed. They get a we got a full June. What are you talking about screwed? I think it's we were just talking about how bad summer camp is. I'm saying not for us or talking about kids. The kids would be better off if they had June July August off. The parents will be better off if they didn't have any summer break, right? Well, that's be honest, but The worst okay. So now let's say you want to take summer break now you Labor Day which is a major tent pole in the the year. Well, you can't wear white after you know that much. All right. Listen, you can't you schedule your holidays around it's like you usually take a week off. Guess what you can't do it anymore because the kids are going back to school unlike the twenty first of all or not even well so last year we went out again on a cruise the last week of August and I think we missed a couple of days because we're like guess what this is more important than the first day and a half. I'm saying is like you have Arabic Summer and the kids are going back into school and Peak summer, but hold on there mixing but there's Peaks Peak summer it varies by region, which is the whole point of why some guys get out of school and mango back in August. Why are you going to go back in the high heat of August that what is because there's air conditioning in the schools and maybe not every has it at home. This is ridiculous fucking topic. Well, it's really messed up Connecticut. You know, you don't really making sense. What are you talking about? So you don't think it makes sense for different regions to have different absolute schedule are based on the clown. Everyone should just go may you like a fascist. I'll buy ya a little bit of a realist. Are you? Well, you're not talking reality. Okay. Well, why not because I'm talking I'm talking dates up in his pocket and I'm talking all day Labor Day. So someone here was telling me about what their school situations like they said they have a year-round balanced schedule and she said that they just had eight weeks off June and July. Yeah, and then at the end of July they go back to school. Okay. She here we go. And I of you can't Jana we are in the middle of Indiana our school has a balanced calendar kids get eight weeks of summer break from Memorial Day to the engine end of July part of me loves a short break because these people are insane are the part of me wishes. They had more Downs. Time what's your school calendar? Like bicycle is almost exactly like that except. It's the end of June to Labor Day. Right? Right, which is she's in Indiana. There's some fucking reasoning behind it. You're saying it's as dumb as like daylight savings time. Right? Right. I don't know enough about it. I do know that in the South it has something to do with the weather and the Heat But you clearly don't care about people below the Mason-Dixon Line don't unfortunately, I just all I can think about are those beautiful beautiful children and the Beautiful summer vacations that get ruined. I haven't they just get scheduled differently than ours. Do it scheduled now could get out of here. The water is freezing in may not down there. I'm going to North Carolina next week. It'll be fucking like a bath. What are the cape at the end of August not only Jews in my a song that's in June in May when they get out. It's But is not it gets warm there. It starts getting warm in April the water heats up. Do you understand that like this more south you get in this country the warmer it gets because it gets closer to something called the fucking equator. No, I don't understand that because clearly you don't understand. Yeah. You're right you grew up in England. There's no fucking whether it's all it's just all gray and fucking Rain Jesus Christ. What a tangent you brought us on the fucking scheduling. I really got your fucking dander up about that irritates me to no end. Yep. You're a Weird dude, I don't know about that. I think it's just really irritating. That's a whatever. Okay. So we're talking what are we talking about? So with that we're talking about filling time. I'm not I don't know if I'm ever gonna get over that filling time. So at padovan says season membership has to be museums and amusement parks are a godsend then then he or she says we also go to the beach at least once a week kill yourself bringing kids that like, I like being at the beach. The beach it's just it's kill yourself slang phrase. Okay, I'm not being sincere. I don't know you I don't know if I want to die. No, no, but what are you reacting to the beach? Yes going to the beach for a week or two the beach. No, she says once a week. I'm we've established that I don't like Logistics right pack and shit bringing ship carrying to the beach having a park and then walk into the fucking sand all you have all this gear. Then there's sand in everything and in your car. I hate it. Give me a little any day. So you're gonna I'm Going to the beach a bunch of this summer. I'm just saying I hate it. You're gonna keep your family from going to the beach and having the head. Yes said, I'm not gonna do that. I'm nothing. If not a martyr. I will bring my family to the beach and complain me and good. I'm good. Finally. That's what a good dad does. That's true. You have to be disgruntled. So your family knows and how much you're doing. Would you look at that truck you're sacrificing. Oh and the traffic hmm summer traffic. Summer beach traffic I do my best to avoid void the traffic but I am not a big fan that's not it's scary to suddenly be stuck in the middle of traffic no end in sight. You know what I realized about traffic. It's I don't care if everyone stopped but what is absolutely soul-destroying as when someone's gonna see someone going in your stop that like if you're the last person that gets stopped at like an accident it would know if you're stopped in any Lane and there's a laying right next to the any switch and that lane stops them and it just Pull the string. So Stephanie kenderson listen to this fucking list of shit. She does to fill her days with her kids Library Splash Pad Day Camp jump and bounce which I assume is like a yeah Monkey Joe's. Yeah Bounce University Road Trips Farmers Market lunch at Grandma's lunch at Grandma's all before lunch at Grandma's. I'm assuming there's a various things. She does to fill different days lunch at Grandma's can't fill all that much time, though. Well she Makin. I mean that sounds like roasted pig. That sounds fun for the kids. But man that sounds exhausting see that's funny. So I said I made a comment here that sometimes just doing anything with kids like they're easy marks sometimes and they just want to get out of the house and you do something with them and they'll be like excited by like doing some dumb shit then they get a little older and they realize like shoe shopping is not exotic. This isn't going to be fun for me right doing the grocery store kind of loses its luster so Holly underscore ham and five who comments a fair amount we mentioned her before. I think this is something a lot of moms feel. She says I'm the fun like she's responsible for entertaining her kids swim Beach Parks, and she said I'll do a swim. That's not actually one thing although a swim Beach Park sounds pretty fucking sweet. She says they swim they go to the beach they go to parks and she said this is when she started day drinking just like doing all that mindless crap. Yeah with your kids. Yeah, you gotta this is what I'm scared of going to the playground the park. I don't want to do that. I can just imagine just in your hot apartment. Sitting with your children and then all you're doing is just yelling at them to stop running around when all you have to do is just so let much screen time, right and by the end of it, they're like rage monsters. Yeah, like at the end of the summer because it is like changes their brain waves that makes them miserable. You're 10 times a rage monster there. Oh, yeah, no by like day three. It's just a fucking cycle. But this is all the different stuff you have to do like you said like get up Angelita said, I hate all of it, except a few days here and there when my parents take the kids. Kids otherwise she's like they're at an age where I just don't really like them that much especially when they're together. My kids are like that too, like butting heads like crazy either. We got to get him out of the house to burn some energy, but take him out of the house a huge pain in the ass the suntan lotion the suntan lotion. Well putting it on. Yeah, that's what I'm saying about the beach man. Oh not just the beach anywhere anytime they go out you get it when it's actually that's only if you really care what your kids huh? I forgot about that, but then there's camp right? There's the actual. Roll, we're not doing Camp. Obviously. I'm unemployed. So, it's Dad Camp, which is what I'm not looking forward to I know but I know your wife will put on a hell of a mom camp, but why don't you just find you go to spray ground? Let's say this is her a grounds of like what like Brooklyn Bridge Park. Yeah look broken bracelet will see this is what I'm gonna have to do playground that has water. Yes. Yeah, there were I know where a few of them are. There's one right near us. My kid will just run back and forth tenza then I gotta break it up bring them places. This is the problem to pay attention so camp It's really expensive especially in the city. You know, somebody here felly Devi who lives in Brooklyn says she can only afford Camp twice a week for half a day. Yeah, right like they're it's expensive right the rest of the time she stuck with the kid. That's so expensive, you know, which gets to be a lot. I don't care who I'm stuck with. I could be stuck with Jesus and he'd be annoying after a couple of days. Right? Just let me eat him fucking buttin heads and you be like wine no IPA. Yeah exactly. All you can do is just the wine to my 90-minute so but a lot of Will do to the camp thing. I somebody at my bus stop. I asked him when he was doing this summer. And he said his daughter goes to fucking sleep away camp for six weeks. Yeah. She's eight. I'm like, my son would never do that in a million years. I couldn't even hack it when I was a kid. As I said last week in the Father's Day episode. I was too young but that's amazing. It must be such a vacation. Super Tressa says Sleepaway Camp, even for just one week. It is love it is are you doing that your kids doing that done? Yes. Oh God. I wish I'd got older one. Old one is done to what so the 11 year old is done to Sleepaway Camp having the eight eight year old do Sleepaway Camp this year with a friend they got to do with a friend? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't do it with a friend. Yeah, I learned last week. There we go. And then that is them into it. But my oldest is doing a month away amazing insert. Oh congratulations. Yeah. Say that with all sincerity. Yeah. I'm happy for you. She's nervous. But I think she's take your life back P. You know what? I'm really worried about. Worried about that. She's going to come back and just be like kind of older all-knowing and just like starting to hate that you don't like your text. The way you have done is that this is garbage and never depart rewiring things and just for that be awesome. Yeah. Well wouldn't be like Bob Vila know she's gonna start know she could start like taking over. She's like a DIYs or he's already I know the situation, you know, she's already started already there. I mean she is we've raised of course, it's probably it's not going to be long before she files for like emancipation from you and your mom. Yeah. Well then take all of our money. She's been living in like an apartment in the village exactly hundred percent. That's what I'm saying. She's gonna not have to him. She's just going to wheels are going to start turning. Well, that's the problem. We're sending it to a corporate mergers and Acquisitions. So listen to this shit, right? So Stanford mommy who is a funny mommy more on Instagram who I've known we've interacted a handful of times over the years Connecticut gal. She said that she's selling her keep sending her kids to summer camp. She might actually sell one of the kids to pay for it. But listen to this story she said, In February in February in Connecticut, I assume the Stanford area since her name is Stanford. Mommy, she waited outside on a line at 4 a.m. At 4 a.m. In February to sign her kid up for one of the 20 kindergarten / for the only affordable camp in Fairfield County in Connecticut. She said when she got there at 4:00 a.m. In February there were already 17 people ahead of me who got there at 2 a.m. This is not fucking Black Friday, which is reprehensible. In and of itself, this is February. What's that? Five months before Camp? You gotta know you gotta get your shit together. How long is the camp for said one guy went to his car to warm up and try to get back in his spot after and he almost got killed by The Angry Mama like he was like hold my spot. I'm going to go in my car. So I don't fucking die or like lose a limb from frostbite and they wouldn't let him back in. Hey. Guess what? It's like one of those Hands on a Hardbody competition the exact hand on the truck to win it. Yeah. She said they had hand warmers one guy brought a tiny fire pit to keep him warm. Warm people do not mess with summer camp here. I said, holy shit. She told me that story and I responded I said, holy shit. She said yeah by the way sign up started at 9 a.m. They got there for some people are too she said when she got to work she made her boss take a vodka shot with her. Wow, like at 10 a.m. And I like normally you'd be like no, but she'd been up since 4:00. She gets to work six hours in I could see that being like I'm taking a shot. It's not 10:00 a.m. To me and I bet you the war. I'm kind of interested in that Dynamic that I said employee Dino me a mutant shot with music what I said, this is the worst story I've ever heard. Yeah that that is pretty Hornets Camp worth it year. I guess you'll tell me when your daughter gets home from a month. It definitely is worth it. I mean, she's done she's done. It sounds like a nightmare leap away, but but you got On it. You definitely have to be on it. Yeah, I'm not good at being on stuff when you're on my wife is so the Guerra 8 over pronounce that right. So she says in this is this is reminds me of my kid, right? She said her son has cancer so he can't do much right my son thankfully doesn't have cancer but she says he has kids but he can't do much but the clinic has a Sleepaway Camp, but he won't go it's the only thing he can do because the limitations of having cancer and he won't do it. My kid won't do shitty. They like he doesn't like to do anything. He has Visions in his head of just sitting around playing fucking video games. All summer, right? Like if we have like a lazy Sunday, which we do sometimes like yesterday because we were out late on Saturday. He knows he's getting away with murder like in terms of screen time. We're in bad. We don't we don't give a shit. That's what he thinks is gonna happen just like summer for the whole summer and we can't allow that to happen that just creates a goddamn monster. But then again, I'm pretty lazy. Yeah, that's the balance that you strike his apparent like something that's good for you in the short term could really damage your kid. Yeah. Like the rest of life and you gotta do something that's negative for you in the short term to make sure your kids end up better people. Yeah, like doing drugs around them. Yeah, right let them know scare them straight just get blacked out drugged out in front of them. So they're like, I don't want to be that guy that guy or just you know, where ripped jeans or whatever. Yeah, what a fucking traumatic experience. I also an individual sense of style. Yeah. Okay. Well, so yeah, no. No, so yeah Dad Camp if you Aunt we're Dad or not. We're doing little dad and mom Camp. Oh, so this was interesting to me Berkshire Love Letter says I homeschool because I'm fucking insane and then says enjoy my regular life Breakers yelling at all. The people who have summer break we're now going to experience what they experience but but your summer for homeschool kids. Is there a break or there is a around know that I'm sure there's a break where they're just they're at home. They're just not in the room that they doesn't need is so Berkshire. I'm going to guess she's a woman just because 84% of my followers. Women as we established, but I don't know for sure. So she's not really speaking. Like she's just saying I'm going to deal with some of the same way. I deal with kind of the school year. I'm used to it in a way that you guys aren't she's in your face. She's yeah. She's kind of glad that all of us have to now deal live her life, right? But she still has that shitty shit happening in the summer too. Yeah, but that's all she got. She's like something it's like having more kids you just it's her one way to look down on everybody but good for her. Wow. Yeah throwing stones at Berkshire love letters. Well, I mean, I don't know what she's going to do. What are you gonna do? What do you do for can't maybe you should send them to Camp. Well, she wolf 214 who I know lives in the Brooklyn area. She says she stocking up on liquor to prepare for summer break which comes down for us again that were early next week. And yeah, I mean any parent that doesn't have you got to do some kind of stress reliever in the house at all times whether it's summer break or not. You're struggling you're going to fail. Yeah Millie Bosch. 84 says she dreads hearing them say I'm hungry and I'm bored. Non-stop, I'm hungry. Give them something to eat. I'm bored. Give him something to do with worries over over and over over response to only boring. People are born only boring. People are were no it's when I'm hungry is like, oh well have some have some of these have a yogurt definitely don't want that. No, but have some free thought your favorite response was Dad. I'm hungry to say nice to meet you hungry. I'm dad. No, that's the classic dad joke. I don't do that shit either. I don't I don't do that. What I do do is I go do do you said do do what I do? He said it again tight I make them eat the yogurt. That's what I did. I'm just fucking for sit down there. Gullet water boredom with yogurt. Yeah heat the other wood and then I make him a cereal bowl size full of yogurt with all this fruit in it. That's just mystery free making you're making me nauseous. I know what mystery fruit what's mystery fruit and I was like a melon in there. It was like no there's no Business Mellon had no business, but I don't know a lot about yogurt. There's no melon yogurt yogurt. Get your shit together. You do melon yogurt if you want they do everything literally, that's no lie saying there's no like tropical fruits in yogurt. There is a strawberry. So why is it insane? Well, because melon is really a gross that would be a gross flavor. You're my brother has a friend who they were like at my house and my brother said, hey, man, you want some cantaloupe and his friend goes cantaloupe. That's not cantaloupe. That's melon. The whole story. Wow, I didn't know the word cantaloupe was the joke you really you really grew up in an exciting household. It sounds like you know is a friend we brought over my brother brought over tiger not tiger would somebody was just said like that actually could be so here. Is it an extra piece of frustration that happens to me in my house, right? So during the summer the sun sets later the days are longer that right about so Shimmer it says she dreads bedtime because her kids can hear the neighborhoods and neighborhood kids playing outside. Which is something I dealt with as a kid. Sometimes CR Wilkinson says it stays late so late light out so late. They never go to sleep. That's like nine o'clock and you're like no, it's not the hammer when we're trying to put him to bed will be like the sun's up and like literally like, you know, what who cares. It's not go to bed Hammer. It's not up. Don't worry about it. I don't I certainly don't give a shit. Yeah about whether this Sun is up from your perspective or not. It's like an eight o'clock big little lies as a coming on. Well, the other thing is that also till 9:00. You get the other end to where the sun rises at five in the morning and everyone's like oh well. Oh, no, I've been dealing with that for weeks. Yeah, they gotta get up. They get up at 5:00. They come in the bed. They argue. I'm wide awake by 5:30 angry. It's not a lot if we do block out you put these. Yeah. I know you've mentioned it before like the hotels got curtains. I got to do it because I can't have these kids something about putting a chain on the on the door. So I can't just lock the door then the rattling in the yelling. Yeah, well, then little spacers little like cushion spacers really deaden the sound so you're so you're traveling a little bit when school ends, correct? We yeah, we've got a couple we're going to add on a couple will go to the beach for a little while Beach where the Jersey Shore we're going to North Carolina where our friends very generous friends. Let us crash at their beach house for a week. Yeah. Not not the Outer Banks but a different part of the the North Carolina coast. Yeah. My kids are really excited. I love it. I love summer. someone stuck a nine-hour drive Yeah, that 10 plus was stops. Well, you're not you're no stranger to 10 hours. Yeah, and we do it a lot. Well last time we went to South Carolina. This is a little bit closer. Yeah, but yeah, let's miles on that car. Ya know we're coming up on a hundred. Yeah, you got to watch out for it. No not these day that this day and age. Yeah, you can get over a hundred pretty easy. Well, do we do we do everything I would summer we got everything? I don't know. Did we? Yeah. Yep. Yep, no root. Yeah exactly. So I think we got it. So, yeah, so thank you. You know what paper? Thank you for sharing us with us today. Well, you know what? I'm verified now, so you should thank me the end of every episode. Okay? Okay. Thank you Nate. You should too. Okay, so we should shoot you're in the presence of greatness. Is there a greeting that we should do your eminency? Okay. Got it. Would it be your eminency or your eminence? Let me think. Oh, you know what? I don't give a shit. 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All right, everybody. Welcome back to the best of their day podcast Jason Fern here with my good friend Megan Burns. We were just chatting before we went record and I was like, wow, this is good. We'll save it for the podcast, but I'll give Megan a brief intro and then we will go from there. So Megan level 2 level 3 and level 4. Are you level 3? Yeah level 3 Cross Fit trainer trained a lot of really good Jim's under aOf really good trainer so started at CrossFit invoke back in the day then was at CrossFit Reebok one working with the East Thomas and Austin and James was at CrossFit One Nation again with Spencer handle Austin CrossFit Morristown with Bill who is also going to be on the podcast that just want that one. Yeah, that's the other one that hasn't been released yet. And then and now is at CrossFit pregnant, which is a really cool thing that we're going to talk about and also is the assistant. Strength coach at Noble and green off Academy. Is that correct? Yeah, very cool. So you've coached a lot of gyms. Yeah. Yeah been around moved around a lot. What up? When did you actually start coaching? So I started coaching when I was 20 and 28 right now and that was down at CrossFit in Vogue and really just like Christmas Abbott took me under her wing. and there realized she was going to the internship process for seminar staff. So that's kind of how I got into thinking about seminar staff and then just kind of went on from there, but she definitely was the one that gave me the most I would say like mentorship back in the day. I don't I don't know if you or the youngest-ever, but I know for sure you were one of the youngest people ever to make it on seminar staff. It was me and Joey till we were like just freshly 21. And I think the only person who might have started younger than we then you might have been Pat Barber. Oh, yeah, all those he he was like he was on just the other day, but I think he was like 18 or 19 Maybe. But I think he was he was in that he was in that the The Nest at that point with Tony and Greg and all that so but yeah, I think he might be the only other one. That was that was younger, which I think is significant because Working on seminar staff is a is what I would consider an adult job. I remember being around like for my internship it was Joe and Courtney and Sarah and Kristen and all these people that I was like, I don't know what I'm doing here. But this is awesome. And yeah, I don't I had actually I I know for a fact I would have not have had the poised at the edge. Age of 20 and 21 to do that job to stand up in front of a group of people do public speaking have good. I might have been able to do the presence and attitude piece just because a lot of sports but definitely not the public speaking but I've seen you coach a lot and that's always something I've been super impressed with is like I always liked watching trainers who when they coach you're like that person fucking knows what they're talking about. Thank you. It's You know when you watch somebody coach, you're like that person's sharp. Like what they're doing is correct. They're competent in it. We're like What was that always the case or like obviously had to be pretty obviously had to be pretty good to get on seminar staff. Yeah. I actually I don't I don't even know if I was really that good. I just maybe I was just like friendly and then Joe was like, okay, we're just going to give this girl a chance. I don't know. I remember being like there's no way. I'm going to make it but I do remember there was like a point that I like people are telling me if you want to gain more respect. You need to be more serious so I kind of went from this. Always joking around kind of the look like little baby and then I went full serious mode. Like I remember one point Denise watch my lecture and she was like, I don't I don't think you went from like out of robotic mode with a completely straight face and like you looked angry out there one time. So then I was like, okay like shifted too far the other way because I was like, I just want everybody to respect me and that now I'm kind of like finding the groove the past couple of years, but it was definitely a weird. Shift of like the baby and then way too serious and then you know, even like I remember Bobby telling me like you need to stand up straighter. You need to be like there's definitely a lot of you know growth that's happened over seven eight years of being on seminar stuff that has shaped me into the person. I am now with a lot of you know, like we have so many good mentors on seminar staff the I don't know where I would be without having those people kind of guide me through that that point in my life. That's always been a fine. Wants to have is that being the authority while being engaging like that can be a very difficult. Kind of task. Yeah, particularly in front of the group. I like I know I struggle with it over the years like as a small female. It's hard sometimes to gain. That respects like being a small female not like it, you know one of the elite athletes working with like a James Austin Spencer and then like little Meg, so it was definitely like a, you know, kind of had to find my place and my voice a little bit like around a lot of those strong personalities and athletes to well. It's definitely not right but it's a thing right? So it's like one of these things we do. So have you acknowledge how the world works but like Carlene Matthews talk? Out this so she's also a small female but she's got that stigma of a games athlete. So people automatically give her respect whether that's Justified or not is a different topic which she actually acknowledge that it's not justified just being a good athlete but for somebody who's a small athlete who a small female athlete who is not, you know, physically imposing who's not a games athlete. There's which probably is the majority of female coaches in the CrossFit Community. How do you go about establishing that type of Rapport and that type of authority from a coaching standpoint? Yeah. Yeah and I get that question all the time at seminars people. Like how do you deal with tough clients as a female unlike what happens if you don't have the skills that you're coaching and all that stuff, which I went through not having a lot of the skills that I had to coach at first and now having them but I think it just took the moment that I realized that I needed to stop hiding that I didn't have a certain skill and just Embrace like where I was at and my ability level and be open to working on it with people in front of members and things like that gave me the confidence to be in front of a group and not be nervous about that stuff and then you know, it kind of worked in my favor because we even This happened last year like last year didn't have handstand walks. So I started working on it in class or after class with members and all of a sudden like all these members are joining in now. We have like every Wednesday night. We're all doing handstand walk together. I got handstand walks. Jimmy's get enhanced and watch the Kelly's get, you know, everybody's getting them and so it's like if you just hide the fact that you're like, well, I'm embarrassed that I don't have the skill and now I'm not going to work on it. And now I feel really insecure instead of just putting it out there. Like hey guys, like I'm working on this stuff, too. It makes you more relatable and that's kind of my strengths that I embrace is like my relatability and the fact that I can scale people maybe a little bit better sometimes and someone that just like popped up on the Rings and got their muscle up for the first time. I think that's the worst coach. Yeah. Yeah, and then when it comes to like it, you know Advanced athletes and I will learn from other coaches things that I can say, you know when I'm watching like a Spencer, Austin. Like teach somebody How to cycle muscle ups or things like that before I had that skill and then I'm having a learn from them and kind of know where I'm at where I can give feedback but that I can still coach the movement and you know learn from other coaches that maybe have more experience with Advanced athletes or Advanced skills. I think that's one of the biggest hurdles. Probably more. So at the level two new coaches or less experienced coaches who are trying to figure out where they have that stigma about themselves that they don't have a skill and therefore feel that they because they don't have a skill that they can't teach it. Yeah. Yeah, and so it's just like embracing that and working your ass off to get it and doing it in front of other people, you know and not being like Oh, I'm going to do this privately by myself and be really embarrassed like Putting it out there to others getting help from others, you know, embracing scaling options, like can can really be something that helps bring you down to the members level almost but also, you know show them that like you're trying to work your ass off to get the skill and you're not just like, oh, I don't have a handstand walks and I don't care to work on them. Right? You're like I don't have them I care to work on him and I want you guys to work on them with me. So we're all going to do it together. Yeah. I think that's important to from just from a leadership standpoint of Of you know, you have to be willing to do yourself what you're going to ask of your athlete. So if you're like not going to work on that stuff, then you can't tell people. Hey, you can't do handstand push-ups because you don't fucking know how to walk on your hands. So, you know, and I love it. I mean, we do it like I've gotten some of the kids at the high school to like practice with me and stuff and it's cool that they're coach can work on stuff with them instead of like the typical high school setting where it's like, well the football coaches really never going to like A football with that. I mean they might but like they're off to the side and the players are playing whereas like for me. I'm working with some of these kids doing Hansen walks failing. They're doing it with me. They're failing. We're all getting better together. So it kind of promotes a sense of like nobody's better than anybody were all doing which is exactly CrossFit. We're all doing the same thing together were, you know working on her like on our own level what what sports do you coach at the at the high school? So it's a strength and conditioning program. So What they have is an after-school program where they split a group of kids that sign up for this afternoon program into three different groups are two different groups. So like in the fall and winter we have big groups, maybe it'll be groups of like 20 or 30. We take them through always a lift and accessory work and then one day a week, we have a team competition which is usually CrossFit. So that's where I get to program the strength coach programs. Although it's kind of more like linear strength work that they go through and they And in addition to that program will have teams come in. So it's any team that wants to go through strength and conditioning on the offseason or even in the in season, but I don't teach like a specific sport. It's just a strengthening. So my title is assistant strength and conditioning coach. My brain is up to questions the first so that's actually really cool. So this is not the program that you are coaching is not sport-specific obviously or just for sports. It's for any kid that just wants to get in the weight room. Yeah. Yeah, so I think they originally brought me in because they were having more girls sign up for the program. The strength coach is kind of like typical, you know, what you would think of strength coaches like big guy he can probably, you know bench press like 300 pounds plus whatever and then the Walls were a little timid and they like didn't really have anybody to relate to and so and then my experience would like Olympic lifting things that they don't really do. So we kind of are a good pair together because he has his strengths out of my strengths and then we put them together. That was actually my follow-on question was how does that relationship work? Because typically in my experience traditional strength conditioning coaches are extremely resistant to any mention of CrossFit. Yeah, Kevin the anything conditioning coach is really awesome and open-minded to pretty much anything. I mean, we follow his program like he has a set, you know, like what they're going to do for their lives and their accessory work, which is a lot of stuff that I've learned that is different than what we do in the crossfire world, like single life stuff all that stuff for injury prevention, which is good for me to know because it may not be the best for in season football players to do CrossFit right or two, you know, like they need to get their in Prevention stuff and all that in their programming but he's super open and also the athletic director is he's really into CrossFit. I met him through one nation and he is Heather Bergeron's ex-husband. So he's kind of like in the world of CrossFit and Kevin knows Ben and all that stuff. So I think it's kind of a unique situation with him, but the kids are definitely a little resistant meaning like like they don't understand the squat below parallel knock out your arms on pull-ups and things like that. So it's a little weird trying to get them to understand that especially again from a small female. You know, that's taken like two years for them to now start to listen like, oh she knows what she's talking about kind of thing. Give her just have to step up and grab a barbell and snatch it overhead and just embarrassed embarrassed teenage boys. Yes those I mean, there will be some times that I'll work out before the strength class and they'll see me and Start kind of asking questions like all right, what do you do or like you have to let almost like gain your respect their because they have they have some amazing athletes. Like a lot of them are already signed a top schools and they're sophomores but they're just not used to that world and they think it's really unsafe because CrossFit gets us, you know, like oh, it's super unsafe. I will say one thing. I've the amount of things I've seen in a high school weight room. I'm like, there's no way people can say crossfit's unsafe because like the think that it's decide to do like on their own and like That I know that that is a whole podcast by itself there. I mean again, I think CrossFit gets a lot of bashing probably just because we're a very large easy Target, but I was very fortunate to always have really really knowledgeable strength and conditioning coaches. Like my the guy who programmed for us in high school was a world-class powerlifters the first guy to ever break 2,500 pounds like multiple stage. So like squatting And deadlifting and all that stuff. I learned from a very young age. Then when I was in college, one of our strength conditioning coaches was Kurt Woolfolk, who is his daughter was an Olympian weightlifter and is married to coach bergner. He's married. I think she's married to Casey bergner. Okay, so, you know and then I and then I stumbled into CrossFit. So I've always I've always had and then in high school to spend some time with Gail hatch who's our world-renowned weightlifting coach to so like I was always just very fortunate to get that but the point of that weird tangent was I've seen some crazy shit in high school rooms, like stuff that people think crossfit's dumb like I've seen some people posting videos of what they're doing. Weight room and it makes me want to throw up in my mouth. Yeah. So like I never knew this could happen maybe because I never have two 45s on each side of my bar when I'm squatting, but you know that when you have two 45s on one side two 45s on the other side and you take the two 45s off one side, you know that the bar Falls over on the other side the flying Spear of death. Yeah that happens on a regular basis and I'm like, I've never seen that happen before until I was in that setting I don't know. It's weird. Well, I don't know that that only happens in the high school gate room. So yeah. Yeah, so Phil who like so Phil sabatini runs our weightlifting program at our gym. He's a phenomenal weightlifter former National Champion 96. Kilo, but he and I regularly joke that probably once every 10 days somebody dumps a weight off of the squat rack because they unloaded on properly and these are people who fucking know what they're doing, and I'm just Like what were you thinking just now? Yeah, it's crazy. So going back to the strength conditioning stuff. I'm curious. So I went the other direction. So I went from sport specific training to CrossFit. You're kind of going from Crossfit the sport specific training for people who are because I know a lot of people are trying to get into that now so like trying to get into straining sport-specific athletes, but I think there's a massive mistake that people are make is trying to lay a very gpp program onto sport specific athletes. What are some of the things that that you kind of previously thought about training that you don't say backtrack, but like you Kind of understand a little bit better. Now that may not be the best approach for a sport specific athlete. Yeah, I think you know, even though my background is CrossFit I try to kind of go in and not I didn't want to step on anybody's toes and just follow along with what you know, Kevin was programming and then tried to implement some stuff with some athletes and just talking with him about how in season is different than offseason and And the fact that you know, seeing so many of these kids get injured in their sport, you know gives me a little worried if I were to have them do some like super technical lifts and that injury risk there for them if they're not under my eye or you know, even if something just kind of off happens that that could take them out for the season that could then, you know be damaging to their career which like I said, a lot of them are like legitimate athletes that are going to go on. Two top schools, so I had to pull back and be a little bit cautious just because I was nervous about the injury risk for them doing like mostly doing more. So Olympic lifts like at speed or with high intensity, but, you know a lot of the stuff that we do for a team competitions. It's high intensity, but a little bit more of bodyweight movements. So I 100% think everybody should be doing high intensity work. I think it would make the athletes a lot better A lot of them are still like they're not into it. They don't like to work really hard. They like to live to not breathe heart, but I think it would make a lot of them better and then the full range of motion concept. That's like the one thing I'm just trying to hammer home to them is like let's take the weight down. Let's get full range of motion. This is why and having to explain it to them and I was talking to Matt to Brooke and he was saying that you know these kids that if they don't train for inch motion what happens When they fall or get pushed and they land in this weird position that they've never experienced because they don't go full range of motion. There's one. That's the biggest thing that I'm like, I feel like they don't understand that but if they did they would be like, oh if I actually trained full range of motion in my squat then I land in this weird position. Well, I've already been there before and I are you have strengths are I'm not going to blow my knee out because J the amount of injuries like with these high school kids. It's like insane and I'm sure this up Obviously, it's not the only school that like is like that but you know, there's injuries I left and right just from sport. It's interesting you bring that up because I think oddly enough. I think this is where like a really seasoned CrossFit coach probably has a massive advantage over most people just because obviously CrossFit is very a lot of it is very repetitive movement. So if you think about just the volume of movement that you're going to stack up on your eyeballs that you're going to get to see if you're a coach and I don't know call it 20K This is a week or 40 classes a month or something like that puts you at A major advantage to see movement and then when you walk into a weight room and you understand that pelvic shift in a squat valgus a knees and stuff like that our Prime predictors for ACL injury, and it doesn't take you any time to see those things. You're like we have to fix that squat. We have to fix that Squat and injury prevention's will will injury rates will just plummet. Yeah. Yeah, and I really think that like, you know in the string thinking I'm sure like when you were in high school like they don't really have like we do coach when we're in the strength and conditioning like class. But outside of that kids just come in by themselves and they're lifting they're not getting this like specific coaching and that's what I feel like the strength and conditioning World sometimes can take from Crossfit is that like nothing is being done. If you're at a good gym without being coached and you know, you're not going to look that way because that's the This is what you look like right. Now. This is what we need you to look like right now. This is how you're going to hurt yourself. If you live this way, you know, so on and so forth, but that's the one thing that I'm like trying to get a little bit more coaching on a regular basis for the kids that just come in there but selves Yeah, I think that. The coaching because like even even though I had good coaches a lot of it was just like do this and in a lot of people are just kind of hanging your hat other on the fact that like kids are just resilient. Like it's really hard to break youth athletes. However, in general it doesn't happen in the weight room. It happens on the playing field because of poor because of poor mechanics, but the way I try to explain it to kids and parents more importantly is what we're actually trying to teach is like physical competence, right and the difference between You know, you know unknown and known environments is like the weight room is known like I know you're going to do this and I know you're going to move in this movement pattern like everything there is understood and I can demonstrate when we leave the weight room everything at that point. We step onto the court or the playing field is an unknown environment. You have to deal with different planes of motion move in directions without prompt you have to deal with another athlete who's going to mess up or impede your movement patterns, and if athletes can't move well, In a controlled known environment, there should be zero expectation that they can do that in an uncontrolled environment. Exactly. Yeah, totally that's a great way to put it. How long have you been there two years and then have you seen again in the fall? Okay, and then have you seen a little bit more by in a little bit with kind of I don't want to say the CrossFit side, but with like just that the addition of that style of training since you've been there. Yeah. I mean, I think people now are starting to buy or the kids now are starting to buy in a little bit more to you know, why we do a full range of motion Squad. Why are we locking out our pull-ups things like that, but it especially High School boys that are maybe the more like Elite athletes would never come up to me and be like, hey, can you help me with this or that and so now I think just from me working out there and me coaching and you know, seeing results with the program that now kids will come up and be like, hey coach Burns. They have to call him Coach Burns, which is so weird. Hey coach friends. Can you help me with this or what do you think about this? Can you give me some accessory work and I'm used to them always going to Kevin and I think it was just like they know Kevin he's like the guy that's you know, obviously He like looks like he loves a lot of weight. You can lift a lot of Weights. So why would they come to me? So it's been cooled this year, especially seeing them open up just a little bit more and be receptive. They all like, I don't think I've had anybody really buy into CrossFit. I have a couple kids that like I'll give workouts to but anytime we do team competitions and we have to run like two laps around the track. They're like, no, you know, I'm like, okay and conditioning program. Like what do you think you sign up for their like you don't like So, you know get out of breath and that's that like yeah me neither like I would Implement more as like we need to like have them condition more and Alex who is the one that I said, it has experience with Crossfit. He would send his basketball girls to us and like want them to be conditioned because he's like last year we were really deconditioned and like we could play well, but we couldn't last for a long time. So all that stuff, you know getting people to see like there's carryover and it's not just like CrossFit is and its own bubble. Like how does CrossFit style training carry over into sport can be really helpful people just understand and keep their you know Minds open to it. I'm going to call you coach burns from now on. It's so weird. I like what she didn't like Mega coach burns the head of the school. Like you're not supposed to say the first names. I just saw a weird video of like some kid walking through the Halls just calling all the teachers by their first names and they're all freaking out. So on the on a different top 100 different topic, but just different question. What have you taken from that traditional strength conditioning side or have you taken anything from there into the CrossFit gym? Yeah, I would say definitely it's given me a lot. I would say it's given me a lot of knowledge on the injury prevention and accessory work that they do. They're all the lips are the same like we do hang cleans and at the school and back squat and deadlift but single leg Step Up Band and work like all that stuff to specifically prevent ACL and you know get you balance from one side to the other a lot of hamstring work things like that that sometimes we miss in the CrossFit gym. I've started to implement that a little bit more just you know here and there like after classes because I've learned that from from the school. That's what I thought you were going to say and that's something we started implementing like At CrossFit Rife like a year ago. Maybe it is what does two things a it kind of subtly and subconsciously gives people some of those pieces that they're missing and their movement either whether it's you know, whether its unilateral movement that they suck at and have imbalances or they have an injury or something like that. They've been compensating for that. They're not aware of but it also has helped us really scratching. The itch of people wanting to do more. Yeah and it helps us kind of eliminate that like I want to do multiple workouts and it's like well, are you doing all the accessory work? Because I mean I would tell you like virtually nobody does all of the accessory work, right? Yeah, and that stuff is hard if you do it, right. So it's like you're getting an injury prevention and it's tough. Well, I think it's also a different type of training that most people aren't used to which it generally you're dealing with like localized muscle fatigue, which is not generally what we do. With and Crossfit like Psych full metabolic conditioning or like the system just wants to shut down versus when you're doing accessory work. It's like my triceps can't press anymore or a my hamstrings are about to blow up from these banded hamstring curls. So it's different and I think that allows them to to really kind of take a step back and say okay. This is a lot of work actually. Yeah, so I want to back up and I want to talk a little bit about kind of how you got there and it and Of that Journey because I don't I don't think people kind of picked up on this one. I gave the intro but the gyms that you've been at are all good GEMS under good coaches and but I'm curious kind of like what if you look back on it now like What is that Evolution kind of look like was there something you picked up at each location or their certain skills that when you when you went from gym to gym that you realized you were you fishing at or what a door kind of how does that look when you look back at it now? Yeah, I mean each each one was definitely hard to leave because I was with such good people of such great mentors and they're all seminar stuff at each gym that I worked out, which was awesome. So they all I never had to Deal with you know, when people ask the question at the level one. Well, what if the owner of the gym wants to do five workouts? And you know, that's not the way or whatever. How do you deal with that gym owner? It was always like we are always on the same page which was really cool. You know, when I when I was at invoke that was when I was really just kind of like learning how to coach and being mentored by Christmas and then going up to Reebok CrossFit one. I was still really young and like so kind of learning and I ended up leaving Reebok CrossFit one. Leaving before I should have just from making decisions in my life who ended up leading me back to CrossFit One Nation, but I probably would have never left there in the first place it looking back on it, but I did really enjoy my time at Morristown of me a lot of good friends there. I love carry on and Bill. They're amazing gym owners and then going back to one nation. That was probably where I really like not had Uncomfortable moments but was surrounded by all these amazing athletes and I wasn't like in that group. So figuring out how to hold my own how to you know, scale my own workouts be okay with skills that I didn't have work on those skills be around a lot of amazing coaches that were giving me feedback a lot of times and learning from them, but also not being so nervous to coach in front of them. So that was probably when I got to One Nation like the most challenging. I mean I was with Greg, who's this? Our staff member and he would just like sit on the side of my classes and like write down all this feedback and you know, so that's where I probably developed most I would say as a coach with my confidence. Maybe how did you deal with feedback when at the beginning I've always been open to feedback. I mean, I don't that that's never really been hard for me. I was more like the The nervousness of having an Austin or a jeans or a Gregor somebody just like watching my class and that took a while to really like just be myself in front of other people watching my class and I think that's the biggest thing now that I'm in a role where I'm giving feedback to other people. I can tell that they give that get that same nervousness when I'm watching them. So I almost like step away like out of sight instead of just sit there and watch like, you know, Greg was Like an asshole and like sad they're just like staring at me with his whiteboard and my Greg really, you know, so like like trying to remember how I felt when I was getting that feedback and I think going through that process helps me to give feedback, but that was the hardest not getting the feedback just like getting watched and not getting nervous and like blowing my whole class. What do you think aloud you so that's so that's kind of an abstract concept, but it's very it's very valuable, but it can be hard to wrap. Your brain around is a new coach which is like just be yourself and you're like, yeah, but I'm about to piss my pants because you're over there jotting notes and this class is huge and it's the snatch and the muscle up so Like, how do you how do you go about getting to the point where like I'm comfortable being myself at this point? Yeah, I think you know one one thing that I definitely have learned from working with Austin is like you really need to practice what you preach and I think once I, you know started like dialing in my nutrition and working on skills, I need to work at and actually taking class and scaling. appropriately and all that kind of stuff and not just like working out by myself and doing my own thing or like, you know, being kind of Baden with the nutrition but kind of not like that's when I felt like I not had a leg up on other members, but like they respect me because I was you know, eating the way that I was telling them to eat and like working on myself and my workouts the way I was telling them to do so it kind of came a little bit more naturally once I started to do that. Yeah, I think one of the biggest things and you can speak to this too. But like one of the things that I really try to harp on in the level two particularly is people just are not putting in the work like they're not they're not putting in the work to do the stuff. That's not sexy like learn the points performance. Learn the false practice giving cues do dry runs on your lesson plan and that's what I try to really explain to people is like that is how you become comfortable in your own skin from a coaching standpoint is when you can start to develop that kind of unconscious competence where I'm not thinking about what I'm doing, this is just how I do things right right and like, you know getting uncomfortable like it is uncomfortable to go to a team training at One Nation with all these games athletes and have to like drastically scale down what you're doing in front of everybody, you know, and it's Uncomfortable to put yourself in a scenario where you're getting this tough feedback. Like I remember, you know, I would walk around the PVC pipe and Christmas would like interrupt my whole class and take the PVC pipe and like it was embarrassing but I was okay with being uncomfortable and just like learning from that situation. I think that at the level 2 and like when I'm giving feedback here, it's the ones that are just are open to the feedback or being uncomfortable that really struggle with it. And if they could just like, you know what this is going to kind of suck and be a little hissing and like not stuff that I would generally want to do that's going to make me better when you can start being okay with that then it really becomes a lot easier. Yeah. It's just such a hard thing to break through on because it's painful in the process. But you know Chuck brought this up on the on that previous episode, which was you know, that feedback peace and that uncomfortable. Peace like Is that critical piece that allows you to grow? Like there's no other way other than constantly being in that kind of cycle of like this is your feedback. This is where we can get better. This is using things you do well, but this is the things that you do like, okay, and then at some point like you just suck less and for in you and you probably spend a lot of time in the suck less category before you before you're pretty good and the things that you're talking about are largely Abstract in nature. There's like they don't stand that way like fucking smile occasionally, you know, like stuff like that. Yeah, and so now it's kind of it's interesting now that I'm in a role where I'm giving feedback and realizing like how challenging of a job that is to give feedback because not everyone responds to feedback in the same way and I respond to feedback like I want you to just tell me. Hey like this podcast sucked like next time you do it do it this way and I'd be like got it like will do another podcast. You know or versus like okay it was all right, you know like kind of beating around the bush and I'm realizing that not everybody can take it like that and I can't be so like paid that wasn't good like do it better this time do it this way or whatever with everybody because that just does not work with everybody. I think that's actually like perfect segue into the next piece which is a kind of wanted you to talk about your time and things you guys are doing at pregnant CrossFit now. Yeah, so for those people that don't know what pregnant what program is and what that program is all about kind of give them the run now and so pregnant CrossFit supports a non-profit, which is a phoenix which supports folks in recovery. So it's a free active sober community. So any membership for pregnant that's paid for just like any CrossFit gym goes directly to support the Phoenix which is a non-profit. So anytime someone signs up it paves the way for for people to come on the Phoenix side for free. So it's a really cool concept because the for-profit side is completely supporting the nonprofit side and then there are multiple locations. There's one here in Boston. There's one in Colorado. There's one in California. The Phoenix has been around and it is all over the us but the CrossFit Gyms that are attached are in those three locations. And those are all pregnant locations. Correct? Yep. Mike Brady runs the one in Colorado, right? Hmm. Yeah who runs the one in California Caitlin Honeycutt is the head coach over there. Okay, cool. So what does that I would imagine there's some people You freaked out just by the thought of trying to deal with addicts of any substance, but what? Kind of what is what are those classes? Like? Yeah, so we have one consistent Class A day that's free for people to come in that are either recovery or supporters of recovery. And we have a team member agreement that they have to abide by like 48 hours to sobriety. You're not going to see anybody like take their shirts off. We're going to have clean language on the music and just be respectful and all that kind of stuff and they always how the Phoenix works is they Is have appear in recovery coach those classes. So I'm never the one to coach unless they need some coverage and they're all there always needs to be someone else like a staff member that's there to assist me. If I'm coaching the class the parade and I'm classes are only for the paid for clientele and they do not have to abide by the team member agreement. So that's like the 5:30 6:30 a.m. Noon class 5 and 6 p.m. But But it definitely is letting we were just talking about it this morning it it is, you know a little bit of a different culture than you'll see maybe a regular CrossFit gym because we're all Under One Roof. So the Denver location has a program in one building and the Phoenix and the other building so they don't really mesh a lot of time. We're all Under One Roof. So there is some overlap. So, you know, when we had our Memorial Day Workout, we're not having like beers after and you won't see people with their shirts off and things like that. So, you know, we try to be pretty upfront with People coming in on like what we're about and what we support and we have a pretty small community now because we just open in the end of September but everybody's been super supportive and respectful and so definitely a little bit different than what I was used to at one nation where like people are taking their shirts off in the warm-up and like there's always beers after Friday night classes and things like that at all the other CrossFit Gyms. I've worked at so it's just a little bit different Have you ever had to turn somebody away from class because they violated some of the agreements. Yeah. Usually, you know, there are some awesome staff members that are here that are you know experience with dealing with people that may not be completely sober and abiding by the team member agreement. So I that is like not my experience that I've had to watch them deal with some of those scenarios, especially like where we are in town. Town were kind of in a rough area in Boston where people are like, you know doing drugs right around the corner, but they've handled it really well that I'm learning a lot from how they handle these tough situations how they talk to people what people look like when they're not 48 Hours silver and that's not something I've dealt with a lot because I don't have anybody in my family that has had experience with that. I'm not in recovery. So it's a You just a different after doing CrossFit coaching for so many years that it brings A New Perspective and it's cool for me because it's something new that I'm learning and having to like get feedback on like how I had to deal with that person and you know, tell them they can be in class or whatever has that helped you give feedback like in a normal scenario. Yeah. I mean we have now that I'm getting giving feedback to there's like six different people that I'm giving feedback. Back to you on a regular basis and some are in recovery some are not and it just kind of depends on like where they're at with their coaching career where they're at with their personal life and their recovery and like how they're used to taking feedback. And if you know, they are not used to that organ defensive or are completely open to it or a little bit more sensitive or not. There's definitely a lot of different personalities, which has been challenging for me. And also good because this is again. It's like new to me to be able to give feedback because I've never been in a head coach role before but just having to realize like pretty quickly on. Okay. This is not mine feedback Styles not going to work for some people that are giving feedback to Chuck brought out something really cool that I had started doing just coincidentally myself, which is just lead with a question rather than lead with your feedback, which is just like, how do you think it went? Yeah, and I'm Actually, the guy one of the guys that the pregnant like manager he oversees everything here. We are on a leadership call and he was like, I usually believe with that. Like, how do you think it went now? I do that in like is that's the best piece of advice I've gotten is just like ask first and then it usually leads to versus I was giving it more of like just what I thought right away. Sometimes people will tell you all those things. They're like, I had a shitty night last night and you're like, okay. Well cool. Then I'm gonna basically chop the bottom half of this. Back because we're not it's not relevant at this point. Totally. Yeah, but that's been one of the biggest things that I've learned is like just lead with a question first most of the time they're right on the feedback. Anyway, they already know what they did wrong. Like you can just now give them the corrective actions in order to do that, but they acknowledges that have you saying you fucked it up. What are some of the biggest things so like a couple things like a what are some of the biggest things that you've learned with dealing with with People in recovery and then kind of some do's and don'ts and then if people want to get involved with that because I don't I don't know a whole lot of people who are not affected by you know by that it's either whether it's you know, one or two degrees of separation, but like I think virtually everybody knows somebody who's in recovery. So first thing is what are some things that you've learned in dealing with folks that are recovery and then if people want to get involved, how do they go about doing that? Yeah. Well, Well, you know the the staff and the coaches here awesome and they're really open about their stories and where they're at in their Journey with recovery. And when we were talking about it this morning and how to like how do we intertwine the two groups? Like, you know, we're we don't want to tell a paid member. That's not in recovery that like, hey, you can't talk about what you did this weekend and like go out and drink and then we also want to be respective of people that are new to their recovery. And how do we like mix? doing my one of the coaches here was like, you know, I don't like to be put in this like separate category and he's like, I don't like that were like it's like the normal people and the attics so really trying to find a way to like mesh the two and that's what I think is probably a strength of mine is not really thinking about like where this person came from or what's their background or whatever and just treating everybody the same like everybody that comes to my CrossFit class going to get coach the same, you know, we're not going to put like people that are Are maybe a little bit more sensitive to CO2? I know sometimes people ask is that the lawsuit? Well, what if I hurt their feelings, you know, like you're obviously not trying to coach and like yell at everybody but everybody should be getting coached and and corrected regardless of who they are to then just like reduce that stigma around like hey, there's two separate groups and people in recovery still are you know out in the world and and living around people that are drinking or whatever it is and just being respected or respecting them, but also like not Treating them any different as a big thing that like Mike was saying today. He was like, I don't want to be treated any different. Yeah. I think I think that's hard to like it makes sense when you say it but like sometimes we just kind of unconsciously like act differently towards people like I was just thinking before is it even okay to call people addicts like and I should probably know this like, my mom is a recovering alcoholic and alcoholism runs in my family, but I'm like do you say they're in recovery do you is are they an addict like Like does that offend people like what's the PC way too? Ya know that we do are really cool. So before any of the Phoenix classes, they do a circle up which is like you say your name and you say whether you're in the terminology is whether you're in recovery or your support and recovery, and so each person can go around and say what they want to say and that was another thing that I you know, kind of had a question of like what if people don't want to say or do they like to say or you know, sometimes people come in there? Like I'm an addict like it. Usually we use the term recovery, but we're not going to like shut somebody down for what they want to say. But you know, Mike was saying and to this guy he was like, it was really empowering to me to be able to stand in front of a group and be like, I'm in recovery and fit in with the community of people and work out in the same space is maybe a supporter or someone that's not a recovery and be proud of that versus like outside the gym walls. Sometimes it's like this weird thing where you know, you have to kind of keep it private or people don't understand or you know, he was like, I feel really comfortable in this gym to be able to say that and I think that's the cool thing about CrossFit is like it again, like it just promotes that nobody's better than somebody else. We're all working out doing the same thing. And so that's typically what we'll say when we go around the circle. That's cool. I'm like looking at your resume right here, which it's probably safe to say that very few people in the CrossFit world will have will have a resume that looks like that right like meaning it coached at these gems coached under these people like the coaches that you've coached under like big names and there's no shortage of them for people that don't have access to that. What do you what would be your advice in order to? Start developing yourself as a coach meaning like a I don't have access to either a seminar staff member or somebody who's really good or be. I can't just pick up and move to Boston, right? Yeah. I mean, I would say the first step the thing that helped me. The most is the whole Practice What You Preach like that is that should be like the the platform that anybody does anything from because then when you're practicing what you preach, but you're also Getting to learn from you know your members as well as like you're not just only learning from other coaches. You're learning from Members because you're in class with them or you're working on your weaknesses with them and learning from maybe somebody that has something that you don't so doing that at the at the base and then gosh like It the more you can just wash other people. I just remember I when I was at invoke like I would just try to watch every coach has class and get as much experience watching because you learn what you like and what you don't like and even when I watch here like new coaches, I'm picking up new cues all the time and that's not from anybody. That's a seminar staff member that's from someone that just started coaching that thinks differently than I do that's explaining something different then I'm like, oh, I'm totally gonna steal that. And I don't see people a lot of times watch just watching other classes. And I remember when I was at invoke the Christmas had to be like, hey like you need to go home. Like you've been here too long like go and because I just wanted to watch people's classes. So if you don't have experience that you can still learn from other coaches and if anything you're like, this is definitely what I don't want to do by just watching the way somebody else coaches. It's funny you bring that up because people have asked me in the past. They're like use you. If you look at somebody's career. There's like a pretty specific period of time where they made like big jumps in their development and I remember specifically when mine was and it was when I started Giving people feedback because I would sit down and I was watching two to three classes a day of other people coaching and from a practical standpoint. If you're not the person that's going to be giving feedback. You can still sit down and jot two to three pages of notes of the class the things that you're going to learn in one week. If you do three classes a day of that is going to be so much information that you probably couldn't take action on. All of those things in a six-month period yeah, and I think like from you know being at one nation and then being here and what we require here is like doing the whole lesson plan and preparing for your class. I definitely did not do that until I came to one nation and I honestly do not know how I ever coached a successful class without doing that. Like I have no idea did I just like look at the board and I was like Mom today, we're going to run 400 meters and as a warm-up and then like just get right into it. Like I don't know how I ever ran on time. I'm like anything like that. So, you know making a lesson plan and really like preparing for your class. Just like you would go into work and meet with your boss like you wouldn't be unprepared for this like really important meeting. It's the same thing with this and so even if you're not watching somebody else that's super successful with their coaching is like preparing for your class like you would prepare for out and like, you know, the business world is something that I think people forget to do because so easy to just look at the board now, I'm just going to do this today and wing it. Yeah, I mean I'll just tell you my experience like I did not coach any good classes for years because I wasn't prepared. It wasn't like a how did I ever do that? And it's like the class went down but it was just a goat rope, you know like but nobody died and we everybody did some Fitness for like at no point. Did it resemble an effective? You know kind of impression of what coaching should look like. Yeah. Yeah cool, if people want to find any information about the about the Phoenix project or pregnant, like where's the best place for them to search for that stuff? So the best place is probably on the website the Phoenix dot org, or they can just go to Prague them CrossFit.com and then they'll see information from Bose. There's an explanation on their pregnant CrossFit of what we support and what our mission is and then there's more details with the Phoenix side that you know, the Phoenix is is also at locations like we have a guy named Ben who's on the cape and he has one Phoenix Class A week that he holds at his gym that so he's not a pregnant location or a Phoenix location, but he's still holding that class. He's in recovery himself. For people to just come in for free. So, you know, you can have that at your gym right and like have one class on a Saturday at 10. That's a Phoenix Class where people can come in that are in recovery or supporters of recovery. So that's a pretty cool thing that they're doing to yeah, that was kind of like question. Is it like an affiliation process or you just kind of try to put it together because Carlene Matthews she was saying she does something very similar because she's in recovery as well. But I don't I to my knowledge. She's Not involved in that project. Yeah, so that's a different side of it. That's the Phoenix Rising side and it's not through an affiliation, but that I don't know exactly how it works, but they would just open that class up but I do believe it needs to be someone that's in recovery running that class or someone that's trained on that because they do like the peer-to-peer model there. So Ben can do it at his gym because he's in recovery and And he can also leave that class. Got it. Okay, cool last thing. What podcast or documenting your series? Are you watching currently you watch TV? Yeah, so I just got done watching the final table on Netflix. Have you seen that the cooking show right? It's really good. And then I just got into that Sherlock Holmes Show on Netflix called Sherlock. Oh, I know you're talking about but I haven't watched it. I don't watch a ton of TV, but I know you're talking about it's really good and then the podcast I've been liking. Do you know who? Dr. Anthony Justin is? You got a keto podcast. Okay. Let me see what the name of it is and I'm not a big like this is not because I'm keto or anything but he's a really knowledgeable guy and he's got some great. Oh the keto answers podcast with dr. Anthony Gustin and you know, he's a big hero guy but he's got a lot of other like great nutrition information and he's in a CrossFit. He was on a brute strength podcast and stuff. So he's got a lot of good information and kind of breaks it down into a number. Sciency way of talking I Like It Cool last thing anything Ackerman likes this question and I like it too. Is there is there something a belief or idea that you've had in the past that you no longer believe? I think probably I mean I guess it's just like Fitness related, but that although I work for CrossFit and I'm all about CrossFit. I love the CrossFit lifestyle. It's not that that's not the only way and so my idea has shifted because I was very even when I started working at the high school my it's only CrossFit like you only do it this way. It's not that and well that is my belief a lot more open-minded to other areas of Fitness because at this point I really just Care that people work out and that they eat healthy. So it's less about like this is the only way even though I think CrossFit is that's fine, but more that they just work out and eat, right? I like that and I've kind of come to that same realization over the last couple years that like if you're going to ask me like what is the best possible program to get people to Peak Health CrossFit Bar None? However, there is a TENS of millions. If not billions of people that are never going to do CrossFit. So maybe I just have them do something else. Yeah, and we had like a we had a boot camp class at one nation that the guys would come in. They like could care less about Fitness there, you know. A lot of them are overweight and like the middle of the workout. They start doing push-ups and there no push-ups written in the workout and it's like what are you doing man? They're like just trying to bring arm pump and you're like, you know, go ahead like rather. You cannot be here. That's a good idea. I'm gonna join you back in the day. I would be like no like you're doing it, you know, and it's not that we let everybody do whatever they want. But it's like those guys. They just want to come in and like they want to get their pump on like they're working out rather than be there than not be there Pat. Who's I think Pat Sherwood said this a while back? Back when I was talking to him. He's like listen because If people want to be Gym Rats, yes, just let them be Gym Rats good like it's clearly making them happy. So don't try to impose your will on them. Like just trying to have like gracefully guide them to good decisions. Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, cool. All right. Well, hey, I'm going to ask you a question. Okay. All right. So we all went because we always do icebreakers and that 11 o'clock class. And so you use like every possible Icebreaker like on the planet. Do you have one Icebreaker? Question, that's your go-to. That's not just like what's your favorite food? Ooh, yeah. So this one has to do with the zombie apocalypse. So you just yeah, you have to look around the class and you just say hey you get to pick one person in the group to take with you on the zombie apocalypse. Who's it gonna be but you have to say why? Okay, I love that we're going to use we're doing this at the like new trainer Summit years ago with it was like me Tosh who actually when you To get touch on the show. There's no time. Yeah, it was like Andrew Charlesworth and a bunch of and like Nicole Carol was there and toss basically said he would kill Nicole because he would rather her die by his hand then by like the by the zombies and stuff like that. It was so funny because she was she was so offended him like it was it was incredible though, but Andrew Charles with all we also didn't choose talk and I like immediately went to Tosh. I was like I'm taking Tosh like Tasha's going with you on this one. It's all And Charles work was like I you know, I don't really know you I don't know if you're good in pressure situations, and I was like, okay use the Google machine and you might find out some information. Yeah. But anyway, I like the old zombie apocalypse like who you going to take with you? Why? Okay, that's cool. Hey. 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Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to another episode of nightmare on film straight. I'm John. Um, Kim and this week. We are talking homegrown horror with James wants Dead Silence, but more importantly a movie that is very near and dear to my heart Darkness Falls the Tooth Fairy. It should be called the Tooth Fairy of Darkness Falls, that'd be great. That's to Fantasy. I think Darkness Falls is kind of creepy. It's kind of eerie setting up. Whatever that movie and you're not setting up for a tooth fairy movie. I'll tell you that much. Don't knock the Tooth Fairy. I think the Tooth Fairy is a pretty scary promise. We'll get it do it. We will get into Kim before we get into it. What's keeping you creepy this week that has never sounded more. Like this was a radio program that it has just now if you're just joining us. I'm John. I've got my special guest here Kimberly with me the co-host of the night when you're using your to AM radio DJ voice that you all are right. Get the net you see in the moon. I got nothing. I could be a I could not be a good DJ. I couldn't just riff non-stop a take a train space and filled dead are I couldn't do it. You have buttons though. You be like what Mom? Yeah. Hello everybody. Its 1:15 a.m. On the clock. A lot of fart sounds a lot of fun. Flushing toilets. I've been drinking lots of coffee. Lots of Joe lots of flush. I think you know what I'm saying? Ha ha ha. Oh where the annoying DJ? Yeah. He has I think we're now officially the only podcast without a sound board. Doesn't it feel like that kind of everybody guys Dallas into his the soundboard don't say it like that. You're saying it like you want to get a sound board. Why don't we have a soundboard? We are the soundboard where the living soundboard, but we could pre-record our own farts. Okay. Now that you're saying it like if we took all of those stereotypical things every time we have an argument, we could pre-record like I don't agree John that eventually arrested every time and just interrupt. I don't agree John. Yeah, but don't you see like a year down the road two years down the road. We're like now we're recording from separate rooms, and we just have buttons like we introduced the episode and then you're just like I liked it. I didn't I'm not listening. Like it just becomes just pre-recorded podcast who I wonder What order what jumbled or the soundboard is gonna be in this week? I think it might add some flourish to our episodes. I don't know why I had to go on such a coffee read about it, but it would add some flourish since Larry. I'm looking forward to our new sound board. But yeah, so what's keeping me creepy this week we caught pet cemetery this past weekend as I'm sure you did. If you were looking forward to the Stephen King adaptation with all the animals and the understand boards already here. I didn't mean to press that one. That's Bad, I'll put it away and the top you want to talk about how to set pet cemetery. I don't agree. This is why we don't have a sample on the other hand the first episode with the Sam board. This would be that'd be a great. Oh, man who's gonna talk about the cemetery. You know, it's funny. I was trying to think of like no. No you go ahead are like I was gonna jump in take on where you left off. I don't know that I heard it goddamn worried about it because I was just like, when's a funny time to say meow when's oh, please. Yeah. Yes, like everybody else. We watched Pet Sematary this weekend. We definitely Our own thoughts about it. I'm sure you do as well. I think I might not to put words directly into your mouth all the time directly into your eyes my God, I think Kim thought it was a fun refresh of the original movie and I thought it was a fun refresh of the old movie. That's my best way to describe it. So the same thing I think we think the same thing I think I'm just maybe a little more enthusiastic about it. Yeah. Um, I just was hoping for something a little bit more balls to the wall. Wall original having they're already be a film the 1989 Mary Lambert version that I think audiences are still pretty in love with people still really like that movie in front of reason. It's a good movie and it interprets the Irish. I'm not going to assume the story pretty pretty well. It's not without its faults, but it felt like this movie made the same mistakes. Not that they're necessarily mistakes, but I was expecting some Liberties to be taken and for the movie to take us somewhere on a Lord or New Perspective and while there are some things that are changed definitely in the film. It didn't feel too like to new of a movie to me especially since it looked like it was presenting itself as a new movie. Hmm, right? Yeah. I understand. I really enjoyed the scares. I really enjoyed how they built it. I thought visually the movie looked great. I was kind of upset that those kids that seemed to be the Cornerstone of the marketing campaign played no role in the movie. Yeah, you're talking about the mass. Yeah. Children, yeah, Willard if you haven't seen it yet. That's not really a spoiler. It was there in the opening and that's it. Yeah, if you do want to hear more of our thoughts definitely are spoiler filled thoughts. We did record a patreon exclusive bonus episode that is available right now on patreon at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street, and we also have a written review of the film which is spoiler free on the website at on ofs podcast.com. Yeah, if you're on the fence post, those are two great places to go to find out whether or not you should see it. You should that's would you would you agree? I don't know if you're into Stephen King adaptations and you you can't wait until September for it chapter to download go see it speaking of patreon. I want to give a quick shout out to our most recent supporters Chaz Rachel Jason Jordan with why Christine Bill Brittany Meg's it is Ed with his Ed could be plural Meg's. We don't know. Did you ever oh Meg office pool with all All of them eggs for this patrons a chat out. Very good work. Thank you. Meg's doubling down and also robbed. Thank you guys so much for your support. I'm sure I'm sure you know, you can take that flat piece of paper away from you guys. Make before you start getting all hand Taki. I am so very hand Taki. I'm sure by now. You've all lost your baby teeth in which case you're sick. Maybe not one of them eggs, who knows? It could be the family of Meg's if you haven't lock here. Ours vulture Windows enjoy the hours of additional bonus content available to you as a new patron saint border because you're gonna need it to get through the next I don't know few months until you've lost all your baby's teeth in your free. Is that really how it goes? As long as you don't look at her as long as you don't look at it don't look and she could come for you at any time. In fact rules are she's gonna break all the rules. We're good. We're going to spend your entire lives under under the impression that you're safe because you've lost your baby teeth. But at any point she could just be like hey, oh are you and then you're dead. Did you just do Beetle Beetlejuice? Yeah, I'm gonna use that voice for a lot of stuff you do use it. But thank you guys so much for your support on patreon. We couldn't exist without you guys. We are a listener-supported show. If you want to check out all of the perks and cool stuff. You can get in exchange for supporting us. That's at patreon.com slash Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm ready to talk about these movies. You're ready. I'm so ready. This is going to be a I don't want to say a Show because I don't want to set you up to be like what is happening. This is the first time I've listened to this podcast who are these people but it if this is the first time listening your first time boy, we're excited. Let's just put it that very passionate here. My mom comes to Mystic fans. So we're like college professors. Yeah, listen to my podcast right give a dissertation every week you come back and it is like what is going on in this movie? It's like this it's like that all cock are following is that your impression of me knows my impression of me? Okay, because it's kind of its kind of accurate okay to me or you I guess both of us, but we're going to start with, Darkness Falls. Over 150 years ago in the town of Darkness Falls Matilda Dixon was adored by all the children whenever one of them lost a tooth they would bring it to her in exchange for a gold coin earning her the name the tooth fairy but when two children didn't come home, they blamed Matilda and they hanged her in the light. Now they thought the past was dead and buried but it's about to come back with a vengeance. You don't know what you're dealing with. How was that? I see these things at night. I don't know what's real and what's not. Will come in the light. All right, Darkness Falls from 2003. It's currently sitting at a 5 out of 10 on IMDb nine percent on Rotten Tomatoes 23 percent on Metacritic and a two point two out of five on letterboxed. Okay, so I want to give this movie some credit it came out when I was like barely a teenager. Is that credit or context credit know I remember being terrified. I'd of this when it first came out 2003 you would have been let's not talk about it 14 terrified. Goody. Good good year for this movie. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just lost your last baby tooth. You may be no according to this movie. You can lose your baby to the between the ages of 6 and yeah 14, which is a High School Dance. The fuck is up with that. Okay. We'll get to in a second. Let's continue. This movie as much credit as you want. Yeah, so this movie I think alongside with the ring just really solidified my fear of like creepy girls with like hair and billowy close things in the darkness that whole Be Afraid of the Dark because there's creepy women in it like this movie totally did that and the Tooth Fairy character. I found very scary so much so that I did not revisit this film until this year. I watched it a couple months. Time put the VHS in a sealed bag left it in my freezer and have not looked at because I was afraid of it just because I remember it being scary and I remembered it being good and I watched it at this time where it would have it really affected me and I didn't want to watch it again and then be like really sad and disappointed and then like you are today I have to say so this movie isn't the greatest but the scarer elements hold up. I think I think so. Okay. I think the cold open. Of this movie is wonderful is a different movie than the rest of the movie. Okay, because hey, she's great the Tooth Fairy. She's awesome throughout the rest of this movie how she moves and attacks and gets people she is more Batman than Tooth Fairy. Okay. So the new like you gotta be like you get into the darkness at all of a sudden like she she hops down grabs you and then like Cirque du Soleil Zola way up into the forest or the warehouse just completely takes you Just on a bungee cord. She looks like she's on a bungee cord. Okay, it's shot well, but it's a little inconsistent. We I have I have qualms about the story which all going to do but I think the legend is awesome and it's an original Legend that plays on this premise that could scare any kid. This is something that you've grown. We've all grown up with this theory that this woman would cut woman or tiny fairy or whatever. It was in your house. Wait, wait, wait. Mine was not a woman. When you thought of the tooth fairy give me an approximate size. Seriously the think about it. Close your eyes Tooth Fairy. Okay, so I thought it was like a like had magical powers and it was like the size of a fly and I could magic itself to like a few inches big so the fly to get in the house because everybody's got are gaps and then big enough to like so when it got bigger the coins in its pouch became like real sighs. Yeah, and then would like put it under the pillow and then back to fly. Okay, so like three inches, maybe God. Wait, that's a big fly. They're in your mind. No like at Big mode. Oh geez. Okay, we have to lift up the pillow and get the tooth and then put the full-size coin. So like the purse had to be what like a whole loony which is like an inch people don't know loonies are Kim. I'm sorry seen a loony but for it's like a big brass quarter a big. Yeah. It's also a dumbass name piece of no, I like it. All right makes us seem like Jolly up here. Make us sound crazy because we carry loonies and toonies. It's great. I don't know that I ever thought of the tooth fairy at what was your tooth? Fairy Theory? Yeah. I don't know did you think of as soon as I asked you that question is like oh God now, I need to think of my own. I thought like a mask first by light house fire and Crimson. Yeah. I know in my mind. It was probably just like a guy. Stubble. Hey, it is very it. He's a coin he like pulls it out of his shorts and some other stuff the dryer lint and just like, where's that tooth? Like a dockworker tooth for even he doesn't know like he's a part of the Union. This is I'm just trying to do my job here kid. Are we gonna say the fossil fuels for his Jeep? Drops another tooth car just sputters away goddamn cavities. You're right. The Tooth Fairy is a great idea for a horror movie because think of all of the magical creatures the Sanic the Santa Clauses the tooth fairy's go to sleep. Don't look at them. Like if you hear them come in don't open your eyes right is the idea because one, you know as your parents but in a coin under your pillow because in the gym, Really up, but also just because you just might not get anything. You're not supposed to see them. They might disappear like like whatever that is great for a horror movie like no matter what no matter what you hear do not open your eyes, like boom. We are ready for a horror movie but that entire opening sequence is ruined by it's like background e introduction, like let's tell you all about this character and let's get you prepped. I'm saying treated like a short film. We just saw. Start with that kid like oh Mom. I lost my tooth and she's like laying out the rules like oh, well, you know you need to do get to bed. Don't let any curls climb into your room late at night, but that tooth under your pillow and don't you dare open your fucking eyes like that would have been so awesome because it would have just been a regular normal night kids getting ready for the tooth fairy and as we hear something creep in we're like, ooh, it's the Tooth Fairy minutes right now. Yeah, right. Oh good. Great. I love the intro though. It's so high intro is very good. Like the kids all up there like melty photo footage that intro my mistake and whoever it is that's doing the narrating like he sounds like a nice gent. I just enjoyed it. I get what you're saying. They definitely double dip by doing that full like when the lead character. What's his name Kyle when Kyle is a kids story that isn't that intro bit seemed so long it is. All right. So I wife I'd completely forgotten that these were Our lead characters that we were seeing as kids like how long is it going to take to kill this kid? I just want to see his guts. Well, yeah and it's just like why are they introducing us to his love interest is this so it like nails like really deep in the heart bone, but then they don't end up killing him and he ends up being the like guy which whatever I think that's a cool premise know like we didn't explore that enough, which I'll get into but this movie should have started with a kid dying. Do you not agree? Yeah, no children were harmed in the plot of His film I'm sure we could find an original draft of the script that has a whole ton of kids dying. I mean, hey everybody somebody's kid Kim honey. Your kids died. This movie is Expendable Hospital workers and police officers. Yeah, we're gonna come with you and then it is like, you know, why appear one by one? Yeah. It's like it's like an episode of Star Trek. They're just wearing red shirts. Yeah. So like when the hospital people actually come with them three of them join them to like run through the hospital and it's just like Everybody else is safe. But us because we've seen her let's go and then everybody's dead in two minutes of footage was especially when you're like, come on orderly. Let's go really you're not even gonna name this character don't speak. We have to pay you more. Yeah. Yeah. She's essentially an extra so his mom dies and let's okay, you know, I got nothing great to say outside of the opening this movie. So I just going to stay with this his mum gets like sucked away by the by the Tooth Fairy with her crazy porcelain mask and she's all Billowy and shit and she's like walking on the fucking walls while he's hiding in the bathroom that looked whoa. Yeah, and when she bust the door off and she can't get close to him because she's got my version too light. Oh, right because there's like that's the whole that the Only Rule of the movie. My name is dag and she is above the door frame just like fuck you gravity. Yeah. I'm a ghost and she's kind of just like pawing at the top of the door jamb just because she wants to get in so bad. So cool and great. I love her as a villain like when you get to see her especially in that opening scene because her clothes are at this like weird ethereal Mist to them, but it's so spooky. It's like fucking black seaweed. But the whole time opening credits, then there's a lot of like creature design and effects by the Stan Winston Studio. You're like show me that fucking Tooth Fairy face. I want to see it because I know it's not just gonna be a porcelain mask the whole time but to avoid void 18 hours in the makeup chair every day. We got a porcelain mask for 90% of those movie. I could have done with a without any face. I would have liked to see some Shadows Shadow. Yeah. The porcelain mask is a little like Phantom of the Opera for me when we do finally see her face. It's got this it reminds me of Anjelica Huston in the witches. Okay, that's kind of what it reminds or like like Freddy Krueger meets The Witches or like Drop Dead Fred. When he gets his head like squished in the refrigerator door, it kind of gets like a pizza face like Freddy Krueger. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Yeah, it's all sort of like melted and Miss shaped and formed into like a weird Oddball head. It doesn't look like that mask would fit over her face. Like it look like that Master be 18 times the size that it is. I did appreciate that when the mask cracked at the end of the movie that there were like little teeth that fell out us talking about that the mask made of teeth bright. I kind of like the mascot. Again, yeah like it she just like glue and teeth together and just like buffing them. Why does she okay. I mean if she constantly needed to collect teeth to make a bigger thicker better mask, that's pretty sweet. That's kind of fun. I want a prequel story where like she has to like she slowly gets more and more of that mask like she starts with like a Phantom of the Opera mask, right and it's only covering half her face like a Batman mask and it's like just that. Yeah, and then yeah, she's gotta kill more and more kids to get these teeth to get a better mask. I'm all right with that. Yeah and Her her MO is a little weird because she's very like one track minded. So she's still after what's his name Kyle Kyle back onto the plot of the movie. Yeah Kyle. It's 15 years later. He's been accused and acquitted of his mother's death. And now he's like coming back to his hometown because of Darkness Falls out of Darkness Falls, the name of the town kind of pioneers showed up and said, you know, what's going to inspire a new life and optimism dark. - false it must be like Canada where they just like do - really shitty job of translating the language because Canada means like could numeral that I don't know. They were just like, oh great name for land. Cool. Yeah. All right. Yeah or alternatively the place is gorgeous and like Iceland they didn't want anybody else to come. I was calling Iceland No One's Gonna show up and we'll call the other one Greenland. So the mistakenly go There yeah freeze their butts up the like oh, this is Greenland. We really don't want to go to Iceland. Right exactly. It's like going to Monkey Island and Skull Island. Look at you go to one. You're not going to the other. So so Kyle Comes Back to Darkness Falls in like he has very little humming and hawing about it like for sake of plot. We are going back because love of my life Caitlin who I haven't seen since that one fateful evening his first and maybe Maybe only kiss. Oh, yeah, right. Yep. I don't imagine this guy. Look I think has a girlfriend and I was like whoa. Whoa, they were not let's not put labels on they were not there yet. No, she did not take her to the dance. He didn't get a chance. I mean, he could have broken out of jail. I'm just saying he knew show some dedication right and her brother which should be son because everybody in this movie is like 40 and that kid is like eight. Yeah, and where are her parents? No mention of them none and so hers her brother. I keep wanting to say son. Her brother is already in the throes of the tooth fairy business now in the future, he's already seen her. He's already lost his last tooth. We are already at the hospital following them and she reaches out to Kyle because the only other person she's ever known who's been scared of the dark and so she's like, can you come talk to him and tell him how you fixed it and then we cut to him and he's like He's living in like hydroponic drug plant. Yeah, he's got photos a hand-drawn pictures everywhere of his tooth fairy like oh, yeah. No, I'm fine. That's great. Only got over and everything. There's like that rock music sequence where he's just like scooping pills into his head. Like are you eating peanuts right now? No, I'm just taking my medication. Like if you have to log the calories for your medication every morning, it's too much man. He has so much medication that at any point. He just like pulls pills. Out of his pocket. There's a hey man wanted rigs like no, it just holds up. I can't container people don't want to see that people. Also, don't carry that around with them like you leave it at your hotel and you go out for the day and they still buy them a drink which was like, but what a dick move right here. I got you a half-pint really I said I couldn't drink. Yeah, this is some bully shows up like I'm gonna drink your beer. He's like cool. Thanks. I would really appreciate that. If you could only I did like that you like that we drinking your beer. Oh you think about that? He's like, I think I'm gonna leave like, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'm a big man on campus read here, but that's not enough for him because he follows him outside and he's like, hey, I want to keep fighting even though no one's around to see how big and tough and cool. I am and they wind up at the bottom of a hill where the Tooth Fairy comes for him for. No, so I thought this was just a kind of a kid Legend thing and then Kyle's an exception because he's like the one that got away but it turns out that like anybody near Kyle at night. It's fucking dead. Yeah. I don't understand. Yes, sir. Rules of the Tis. So in the rules of this film The Tooth Fairy is around any of these kids that have lost their last tooth and looked at her and then I guess in his case stayed in the light for 30 years and is safe from her but now he's in this circumstance where he keeps getting put in the dark but there are people around him. So she's there trying to get Kyle Kyle is her main focus, but then if anybody sees her in the interim, she's like fuck you. Yeah, it's weird. She just does not want she wants everybody to know that she exists. But if you fucking look at me, I don't know if she wants people to know she exists though because this whole town is like aware of the legend but not enough to be afraid of it to heat its warning to not look at her. So you think their deaths would be crazy high so high that they would believe in her like this is a weird Paradox. Yeah, if they're afraid of her then they wouldn't look at her so then they would all believe in her because they're not looking at her does she only steal their last tooth? Because otherwise the Paris is business as usual. Well until the last tooth like yeah, ok. So you looked at me I get it. But if this next to this is your last tooth gym, and if you look at me like it's over for you. Yeah, things have been good up until now but why are we slipping into the New Jersey dockworker? All right kid. Look, I'm gonna come back. That's not what I was doing. I'm gonna leave your tooth fairy out of this my tooth fairy sounds like he used to box but done anymore. It sounds like the Fucking seder from Hercules like Danny DeVito need a Vito's character. A lot of uses. A lot of uses know what what I mean by business is usually mean like the parents are taking the teeth and slipping money because here's the thing. Let's say as a parent, but then they should still all believe in her because of the last tooth either their kid is dead. It's a coincidence. Also, it's boring at that point like you get in there, like maybe you even just forget to get the goddamn tooth right? You cannot just like that first. Ooh, super excited can't wait. I got that coin picked out four weeks before that first tooth fell out like taking photos of your first kid by the time you get to like your 26th kid. I don't have my teeth. I just had a weird number anymore. What I'm used to keep the teeth. I think all of them, I don't know. I guess I remember there being like a jewelry drawer and then one time I opened it because I like a little cute. Tiny drawers smells like look at this cool jewelry thing and then there were fucking teeth in the Rings. Ah, look at that hair. Well necklace and oh my God, my mom's a serial killer. I think my parents definitely have a drawer of like fucked up. Teeth. Yeah creepy like, oh we've got his first drawing from school his teeth his tail at the weird thing about fucking baby works. It's like first haircutting here it is and you're like, yeah keep that because we've been gentle Foo do eventual food like you're 18 now and I'm fucking using this finally. Yeah, right. Wrap this around this doll stick a needle. I bind you child from doing me harm. I bind you child. There's a movie like we've got like a whole the craft for your children will know I'm thinking like like a group of elderly people that don't want to go to a nursing home. Yeah. This is how they write have all these tools of voodoo that they've been collecting. It's right just like Dad. It's unfortunately you can't take care of yourself like, oh, we'll see who can't take care of themselves anymore Jimmy and then he just like food all of like your And favorite toy. Yeah, I thought hey cool. Is that is that it's just like hey, why are you poking needles? Oh my feet hurt. That's fun. That'd be great. Next Jordan Peele movie. I'm sure so for certain. Yeah parents are weird. But this movie doesn't even tackle Parenthood like that could be a fun theme not a fun theme, but that could be an interesting theme for this movie in like the horrors of creating these fantasies for your And ultimately hurt them. Like I think there could be a really cool metaphor in that but then we don't actually follow any fucking parents. No, not at all. It's a sister some creepy agoraphobic and then like the boy from The Ring. Yeah. Is it the boy from the right thinking if it isn't he definitely audition for that movie right? It's got to be I think it is. What's the name of the also too. We don't even see him seeing like we don't even get that entire instance of him with the tooth fairy. No there is a there's Very few instances where we see the tooth fairy in her job. Here's here's our little as like being in kids bedrooms. We only see that twice in the movie in the beginning in the end. Yeah. Other than that. She's just swooping in taking out people that are around Kyle. Yeah. She becomes like the fucking highway man. Yeah, but because he's got a flashlight and she's just like, oh damn, it's like lightsabers for tooth fairies. Like he's invisible. It is like a lightsaber. Yeah, like she's a moth. There's like an Auntie mom and Auntie Mame. That's right, like the moon get away from it. How does she deal with mood light that is this movie have any? How does she deal with any lights Darkness Falls? Like there's a big mountain and it like blow. It's like Twilight where like, oh, there's no real son cover here. So you can't see how shimmery I am. What isn't that the thing in Twilight? Like that's why the vampires could go during the day because it's like it's just like overcast all the time. I guess. I can't remember you. Okay. Why am I the one who's been like made the Twilight has started. I haven't read the books. I haven't seen all the movies. Sorry, John. All right, I can't save you. There's a lot of natural light at night, especially in this movie that does not get utilized. There should have been like the whole like climax of the movie takes place during a thunderstorm. That could have been so great. Yeah. What if she's like just about to get your hands around your neck and lightning flashes and like she's like nah, I like burned but because of it like it's because it's still a light source, right? It could have been like that scene in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake where she's having like flashes were like Freddy like those micro naps were Freddy's appearing for half seconds. And then he's not there like that could have been so goddamn good that could have been really cool and it makes the laws of like what lights work and what lights don't like really strange like when they have lanterns and stuff. They're really only protected for like a very small area and it's like, okay. So what kilowatts is she able to go into you know what I mean? Like if they have a flashlight you have to shine. Shine the beam directly on her and it's like that's not necessarily have flashlights were flashlights to illuminate. Yes in a beam but like there is light around them. Yeah, like if you hear this white and all perfect. Yeah and like that's going around that like, yeah, if you hit a white wall, like it's illuminated more than if you're hitting like into a black tarp. Yeah, they should at least be getting some sun burns from that that light bounce yes regularly and like in the hospital and stuff. There's a lot of stainless steel. There's a lot of reflective shit and they have flashlights like There should be some repercussions. Okay. We also talked about the fact that the kid they're like, oh, he's super scared of Darkness. So, you know, we need to do sensory deprivation tank. This is true at this point. I'm sure the crazy guy's told her that the tooth fairy's real and she's like, I don't know if we should be doing this. I don't know if we should be doing this but then she signed the fucking waiver. But as soon as he shows up like you need to let him out. She's like yeah what he said. We need to let him out, please God let him out. Let him out, but that sense. Sensory deprivation tank. They're putting him into is definitely just an MRI with no lights turning right leg. That is like put him in the tube and enough fury. Like how is she gonna get in there? I thought she's like an entity that travels through Darkness. She doesn't just look up here. Yeah, right. She doesn't manifest in darkness. She has to go from like where she is from one dark room to another dark room in order to get to that other side. Yeah, and they say that too because at one point when what's his name is with the cop on the other side of town and then she leaves you like she's going to the boy now. So it's like okay, so she's literally flying there. Yeah, exactly, which because you you can only beat her there because you have a car and you're not jumping from Treetop to Treetop. This guy gets arrested several times throughout this movie and then they let him go like they forget he's supposed to be arrested for murder. Yeah. I thought first-degree murder and there's this like small town jail sequence where he's locked in the jail cell. So all the cops around him or being murdered man, but there's like ten people with flashlights in there and that's Scene should have been her the equivalent of trying to get a diamond out of a like a room that's trapped by lasers. Oh, right, you gotta like Mission Impossible slink down in like the jail cell but instead she's likes really successfully picking them off one by one and they're just like really disoriented and it goes on for a really long time and it's like, okay so you guys still don't believe in her. Yeah, and she's killed half of you. Yeah. She's like claw machine each of them out of the room like claw machine. That hasn't been rigged. Oh, man. Yeah, it's good. This movie we haven't even talked about the main character. Kyle's crazy ass one-liners. I wish I wrote some of them down. You know who this actor is. I have no idea who this activity is not familiar to me at all. But his lines are like everything should be paying off in like a Steven Seagal kind of yeah, he he read that script. He was like goddamn every piece of dialogue I have is a fucking trailer moment. I have one I think I thought maybe you could tell me how you got over it. And then his replies just I didn't I didn't ya fuck if they re made this movie. Now. One of the guys from Supernatural would be in his role for sure. Oh, definitely. I think the rest of his lines are stained white. You're crazy man. And then he said crazy isn't what it used to be. Oh God, and that's when they're like running through a stairwell where half the the emergency lights are out and they have to jump through Darkness at which point the tooth fairy's Kicking ass it a person off every time they do this. I loved it. I thought that part was good because the only source of like they have our the the battery backups from the exit light. So we have like the flood lamps that come up that are just casting like beams of light so their only safe once they land right. I didn't think the scenes were shot particularly well, but it was great. I just think it's very very convenient for this movie that every single time they get a light source. Somebody's like, oh these are going to die soon. Yeah, every time every single time like oh, I have two lanterns in the back but they're gonna dust yeah, and we got to kerosene lanterns and I got a whole ton of gasoline. It's gonna last a week up. There's a little there's a leak in the line. Well, we're gonna die. We're gonna die soon the the end of this movie takes place in a lighthouse and it's such a great idea and it doesn't mean fucking anything. Isn't that where she lived though? Like wasn't that you're living the life. I thought she was like a lighthouse which I mean, I'm cool with it. I feel like she should have some sort of Auntie moth properties. They're doing by a broken light house. There's got to be something to oh, I remember what it is. I was like, there's got to be something to her backstory. That's expels out why she can't be in light the fire. You didn't even listen to the poem. And yeah, that's right. She got burned and because of the skin damage and their sensitivity to light. She could only go out at night now, I gotta say something right there. That's because it's sunlights. The flashlights should do nothing. That's true. It should just be fire. So it should just be lanterns and the sun like those are the only light sources that should really bother. Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. Also the whole third Act of this movie that takes place in the lighthouse there is gas everywhere everywhere. There's gas all over the goddamn place like in the electricity and stuff. Yeah, they've got some sort of generator and its got like a big hose that goes from the bottom of the lighthouse to the top to provide gas for the light and there's a leak so he goes down there and he's like Open it up with electrical tape, but the whole meet time it's leaking like a garden hose worth of gas everywhere. Nobody's got problems. Just like dropping lanterns anywhere. They want to show ya like flame lanterns people are covered in gas. And then at one point he's just like, oh, you know what I need to do throw the lantern at them like this sounds so fucking dangerous. Yeah, like so the Tooth Fairy didn't end up getting them, but they did burn to death in the light. So Case Closed Save the Day Darkness Falls PD wins again also the final moments of this movie where we defeat the Tooth Fairy like we finally see her like creepy pizza face. I love how they it has that double double defeat where you think she's dead, but it's like oh no she's back but this movie does it immediately. So yes, like she's dead and it was like, oh good and that she's literally all right back like we see her like sort of explode and then you see like the full explosion and then once she comes back, Like the lighthouse the lighthouse like doesn't bother her at all anymore. She's like, oh no, I've reached my full form and now only gas can can harm me. Oh, you have a lantern. It's like we're in Boss mode and it's just like you're starting to kill the boss in a video game. Yeah, and then when the boss is like a less than a third of their life thing left is like they have a power up and they're like, we're triple the size is like, yeah, but you're panting you're almost dead. Yeah, come on Pastor. I know you're just I was dreaming about user drink an energy drink and now you're back for round. And 12 doesn't work. Yeah, he throws a lantern at her and she is more flammable in this movie. Then Kara send the gas all over everybody. But man, it doesn't make any goddamn sense also. Oh my God, how did we forget about this? Like there's like a pure Nicolas Cage moment in this movie where he lights his own hands on fire. That's how many punches are in the face. I completely forgot about that. I'm just looking at my notes down here. I got like five like rapid fire notes the bottom. I'm just Like oh the mask is Vanity. That's cool. Fire pot - like eight exclamation points. Oh man. I did not like this beauty. So yeah, my biggest my biggest takeaway is that I think the legend that they created was really cool. I love the intro story. I wish they had of decided to tell some kind of a different story. I don't know if following another kid 30 years later with this boy that survived her is necessarily the right story because we don't see her being this God. Gothic horror figure that she should be she should be stalking a small town. Yeah, and we don't see any of the kids in this town affected. We don't see any of the town at all. Yeah, and we don't everybody should know about her. We don't even get that like the appreciation for this Kyle character. We don't even see his light setup. We don't get to spend any time with him in his regular life before he's back in Darkness Falls got a backpack full of flashlight. Yeah. I want to see what like him going to bed and stuff. Like I really needed a montage of like what? That life looked like because he's in Vegas and I think that's a genius idea is a great idea probably sleeps during the day he works at night because there's lights everywhere and it's Casino. It's always running like he could literally go outside for a smoke and it's bright. Yeah, exactly and no matter where he goes. There is no Darkness. I think that that's genius but it doesn't get used. No not at all because then I all of a sudden we're back in Darkness Falls and it's like we're shooting flashlights at the tooth fairy and like that's not really the story. I wanted to see know. I maybe would have changed is always sounds like a dick move. But I mean like sure you're you're tasked with making a rewrite or your rebooting the movie that little kid has not lost his last tooth yet. He was at a sleepover party and a kid lost his tooth put it under the pillow and the Tooth Fairy came and killed that kid because that kid looked and saw the Tooth Fairy. Maybe this kids who you can't see her. So maybe she's in the room. Okay, and that one kid saw her and these other kids Witnessed her. Yeah, you're like Freddy Krueger style, you know like the slashings of Tina. Yeah. I'm down with that. And now he knows like he's scared and he's like Kyle coming exactly his last tooth coming up and like Kyle he's traumatized for it. And he's he's talking a bunch of nonsense as far as the doctors are concerned about this like crazy mythical figure who's gonna come kill him. And so that's why Kyle comes like okay, that's still a little bit of a stretch. Maybe that's that's why the sister could call though because he said this Same things when she was a kid. She remembers that she calls him up. Yeah, and we've got a whole other group of kids that are denying it. Like I didn't see anything. I don't know what he's talking about. But like they're all the same age. They're all losing teeth in one by one. She is stalking each of them across town and now it looks like because Kyle the weirdo showed up who he's killing these killing kids. Yeah. I like it. I could have been good. Yeah, like we could have had some great scares. We could have had some conspiracy theory stuff. But instead we just killed a bunch of adults for no damn reason. Yeah. Like a bunch of Hospital workers and a bunch of police. Like those are the only victims of this movie. Yeah. I will it's not hard to imagine some studio going. Okay, great. Love it. OneNote know kids can die like, okay. What am I even doing here? It's so true. Some writers felt like best idea ever Tooth Fairy kills kids whole movie kids dead. They're like rate. We're buying it. Love it. No kids could die none. Well, we only have one note. And go hey, yeah, we should auction starts tomorrow. That's good. What's your rating on this wacko? So it's okay. Whoa in your memory. What would you have rated this movie before watching it in my memory. I probably would have rated at two and a half out of four. Okay, I will say I did remember liking this movie to I remembered nothing about it. But once we have that opening I was like, oh right the Tooth Fairy. I remember liking this one. Ooh boy. Yeah. I'm gonna give it a one and a half out of four. Okay got that Nostalgia bump. It's a great concept. It's a really cool turn on like this legend that everybody knows about and it's still original enough that it's not an urban legend film that we've seen rehashed a thousand times. Yeah, but they did not nail the story. Yeah, they they did their best and unfortunately, I'm giving it a one out of four. I can't give it any sort of Nostalgia bomb because I don't really have Nostalgia for it and whatever like it's it's a fun movie like if you want to put a movie I yeah, it's kind of like definitely watchable it so it's a hundred percent watchable. If you want to have fun watching a movie with your friends that you don't have to Super Duper pay attention to that. You haven't seen in forever because chances are you've seen Darkness Falls, but you've just forgotten everything about it. It's a great revisit. Yeah. It was not like my memory was a lot more glowing than this film. Yeah, I'm glad we watched them. We've got an updated ranking in our brains and we either do or don't need to watch them ever again. But next up we are going to talk about a lesser gnome James Wan Li when L film we are going to talk about Dead Silence from 2007. There's no ghost story around here about a woman named Mary Shaw the ventriloquist who lost her voice back when I was a boy from little boy went missing. There was only ever one suspect Mary Shaw. She was murdered the men cut out. The tongue has been plagued by death ever since families found without their tongues. She was buried with her doll collection the children. That should call them. Somebody dug him up all 100 of them. I came back. They didn't stay dead. She's here. All right, here we go Dead Silence from 2007. It's currently sitting at a six point two eight out of ten on IMDb 19 percent on Rotten Tomatoes guys, 34% on Metacritic and 2.7 out of five on letterbox. Oh my God, I'm gonna say I've got to assume none of you have watched it since 2007 if it's been 12 years since you've seen this movie watch this move. Wow, so we were late to the game on this because we Pai think we both saw this for the first time together probably after Insidious. Yeah, so probably 2009 around Insidious when was in cities of 2008 right things like 2011. Oh, so probably I don't know for years. Yeah. Okay. So we saw it in the in the past 10 years. We've seen the film. Yeah still long enough that I was so I had a ton of fun watching this again. Oh, yeah fuck guys. Why don't we talk about About this movie this movie. Okay. The James one we have now was born in this movie Yes, like sure we owe you can see saw in it, but then you can also see Insidious. Yeah, you can see both those films like where he came from and where he's going in that movie damn, right like the Avec. This movie is more Conjuring than anything else, but it's a Conjuring 2 James Wan exists in this movie this movie is all about it's fucking scares and it's fucking scares work. Yes, there is And the whole idea and concept is fucking cool and creepy plus its original Source material which you cannot say the same for The Conjuring franchise. That's true or Annabelle. Yeah, or any of the other The Conjuring it Conjuring universe and that's why I'm putting it out here guys. I fucking think dead silence. My second. Favorite James James Wan film. That's a bold statement. You said that last night while we were watching. I was like totes Ed Lee shit was that Liz look like Cuz it is yeah this movie sure Dead Silence then Saul then Saul and then the rest of them, I think for most people this is how to list goes The Conjuring the country to now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, okay James Wan lot of movies cool. There's some good ones in someone's I haven't seen haven't seen death sentence don't necessarily know where it would rank. What does that one? It's like Kevin Bacon movie where he's a vigilante. I'm just like get smashed people's heads. I just feel like that's not our that's not our wheelhouse I sounded. Right now I'd like to see it. But yeah, I mean my list probably like Insidious saw Fast and Furious and then dead sounds I don't actually know where this it's it's hard because it's very fresh and it's it almost feels like we just saw a new James Bond movie. Yeah, I feel very like I'm alive again like ever he's like talking about Aquaman or like have you seen Dead Silence? Holy shit. Yeah, I know. No, you've seen it before but have you seen it again, man? Okay storyline be way more stare of Mary Shaw. Okay. Here's the thing. So there's there's a poem in this movie. You want to get the first two lines of the poem, right? We get the whole poems everybody always say the whole point. Why? Okay, you get it at one point, but nobody ever says more than just the first two lines and it doesn't make any sense with an American accent like beware the stare of Mary Shaw. She had no children only dolls like it doesn't work. But if you say it with an Australian accent, like I'm surely would L. Did you like baby wrote the film? Yeah, of course beware the stare of Mary Shaw. I can't do it. It's not working. Oh, it was really good. You have to do it. This is awful. This is my nightmare. Thank you where the stare of Mary Shaw she had no children only dolls like it. Did this is like right James you here in this is fucking great, right? Oh, man, it doesn't work with in America. Nag said no. So the poem does kind of fall a little flat but fucking Mary is the coolest villain. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna say she's scarier than the woman in black and Insidious I would agree. Yeah, right. Yeah fucked like that of those eyes that slit in her mouth where that occurred. All Gabe is going she is everything. I wanted Helen Mirren to be in Worcester. I wanted her to be the main ghost. I was just hoping look at the end of the movie. Yeah. Yeah, but she wouldn't be an evil ghost. And with this is that's the kind of ghosts. I wanted like this highly stylized like mourning gown high-collared black dress like yeah. Those are the ghosts. I want to see in the Winchester House. Yeah. Well now we got that sounds weird. It also contains. My my new favorite cop detective character ever. Oh my God, Donnie Wahlberg. He makes no sense as a police officer, but it's Wonder his character isn't even referred to as appellee like at least In the credits, it's just like Jim Hawkins. There's something so we're calling him detective Jim. That's perfectly fitting. He literally walks onto frame holding a donut takes a bite of the donut and goes like yeah, I'm a cop here. Let me just loosen my tie a little bit for the rest of the movie and then instead of like tapping a cigarette throughout the rest of it. He's got one of those electric shavers where he's just constantly shaving stubble down. It looks like a lady Remington. He's the greatest detective ever. He's so stereotypical. We begin with this movie. Okay, I don't care if we talk about nothing else other than the first five minutes of this movie because it is the greatest opening that I've seen a horror movie In Forever. It's interesting because this movie definitely is inspired by goosebumps. You can you can feel that that well the the the score itself is basically just Goosebumps. It's The Exorcist theme put through a goose bumps filter like percent and that's gonna change how you look at this movie guys, and I know the dummy is like a classic ventriloquist dummy design but like so much so does it look like Slappy? Yeah. And so I feel like a little hook nose. So you're going into this film thinking that this is going to be an updated Goosebumps e story for adults with this haunted dummy and this opening sequence with this couple fucking delivers like this. That is a you see ya man. I'm I got real serious moves like adjusting I'm with you but that opening sequence is a Goosebumps story like that is what Goosebumps is. It's like these family unit stories where like you see yourself as this relatable character that has experience with this paranormal thing and they're a young couple who were like want to have kids or whatever cut down in her prime and but that's the audience that's watching this movie. So like that is the Goosebumps story of this movie. That's real. Good point. Yeah grew up with goosebumps, and we've ensured into debt Silence. Well, yeah because the the protagonist and the Goosebumps, they're always 12 year old kid. Yeah, and then this one it's like a young couple. Yeah, just like a horror movie I'm saying. Yeah so good. He's delivered a very creepy package in the middle of us. Torrential downpour surprise is a dummy. Yeah surprise. It's a dummy and the at some point instead of burning it immediately because that's a hundred percent what you should do. I would keep the weird dummy, okay. A totally he leaves the house to go interested. I would list it on eBay. Like II II it did something creepy like haunted dummy for sale minimum bid 250 like your you've already got the listing written down. You're just waiting for something creepy to happen. Just waiting for it to Krieger. Its eyes to move and you're like, I'm gonna hit publish. Yeah confirmed so locked in doll. I gotta say though horror movie rules, like if there if there was a book of laws written from horror movies, Leaving your significant other alone with a creepy doll is grounds for second-degree murder. I have to say that right now marriage annulment. Yeah. Oh my God. It's the worst decision. You could make like judge has like spiritual annulment stamp. You've been spiritually annulled. Yeah, because she's talking to the doll and it's fucking creepy. So she throws a sheet over it and then it gets even more creepy. Yeah, it's because there's a sheep thing in the background and then all of the sound just gets sucked out of the room. Is the best fucking thing about this movie because it sets a tone for any scene where something Supernatural is going to happen and it gets you the hairs standing up on the back of your neck before the ghosts even come. It's like a cute card that you hold up to the audience that says go ahead get scared now. Yeah, and that's what's great about that is it's the opposite of Insidious because in cities is scares, they confronted you and surprised you in a way a jump-scare would but then they were actual Terror. But there was no queues for them. Yeah, this film scares you by queuing you by priming you for horror moments and then still scares you which is genius because they have to be really well built because you can't say hey, I'm gonna scare you anymore Gary now and then scare you and actually have it fucking work because oh God does it and it's probably just do to gratefully art, right? Because like we take all of the sound out except for exactly what we want you to hear like the creaking of some Fucking eyes slowly moving inside a doll watching you. Oh man, it's so good. Yeah, and they so nail though that like feeling when like your ears pop, but you can hear the stuff that's happening. Like when the sound is Zapped out of the film. You still here the main character moving around. Yeah, which the yeah, like that's that's how it feels when you're scared like your breath your pulse. Like those are the two things that got mediately make the soundtrack to your own demise. Yeah, like they nailed. All the sound of fight or flight. Yes pain. Oh when Jamie comes home our main character, so he knows something's wrong right away, but it's not it's not so wrong that he should be concerned. It's just that. Oh the kettle's going that's the music's really loud. Yeah musics really loud and he's talking to his wife who we know is dead and she's responding. Oh man in like the real Eerie, like definitely being an evil puppet like oh come in here. I have a surprise for you. Yeah, we're all like fuck. No. But he slips on blood and when he turns the light on because we know there's blood she she was attacked by the dummy. He's got dragged into the room, but when he turns the light on there is so much more blood than we were left with initially. Oh God, so she's hiding under the blanket Hobbs because that's just a great set up right there. That's just what fucking creepy dummies do. Oh, she's got like just their fucking Jaws just been ripped open. It's like when You see that that dead girl and the ring was gonna say that yeah that's care fucking obliterated me when I was 12. Oh man. That is the craziest thing about that movie because I remember being like this movie and so fucking scary Jesus Christ. What the fuck was that? Oh, man because you don't they were doing like a kitchen talk. So you didn't expect them to cut to a scary scene, which is also reminds you of that fucking seen an invidious where the moms fucking talking and then all of a sudden there's that thing behind what's Patrick Wilsons head and it fucking ruined everyone. Now it's just a gif on the internet. Yep, but it fucking ruined us all and we're still ruined it to this day. So nobody believes Jamie that that he didn't kill his wife. They don't have any evidence though. So they gotta let him go and we immediately follow him on his Trek back home where he's gonna get some fucking answer well, and it's also for the funeral of his wife, so they're both from the small town. So where they have this poem in this story of Mary Shaw and her dolls so he knows that one. And she should be buried back home where her family was and to I'm gonna get some fucking answers but our transition through time from that moment of the murders. She came on the road is genius the camera pans from like his POV of his dead wife out through his eyeball. He's just like a dead stare in the cop police station and then we pan out from that moment again into his car where he's just like a fucking robot at this point, right? I'm having a hard time. To describe that transition but it is so great. Yeah, it's such a good filmmaking technique to signify grief and just like going through the motions and in such a James Wan anyway, yeah, and I think it plays well too with the the scare that we have built where we the sound gets sucked down and we are like in the main characters dressed sensory. Yeah. I think this is I think it's all brilliant. I think we're doing an awesome job of conveying in an audio and visual format that we are. With our characters right success. Yeah, this movie is much better than anybody gives a credit for it does not deserve 19% of Run tomatoes. Oh not at all. And I think that's purely for the special effects. When we finally start seeing more of Mary Shaw because of the kind of tongue creature thing. She's got going on. I still like it all. Yeah, I the tongue thing is strange. It's it's a little like, I don't have enemy if I can say I don't know like yeah. It's a little Too much visual for me. Like I love when we see her first in the hotel room and she's behind the billowing curtain and we see the blackened eyes. Like that's how much I want to see if my ghost I think that's fucking terrifying and like when we see her standing up behind puppets and her hands and stuff coming out like that is enough nightmare fuel for me. I can watch that for two and a half fucking hours and be grateful every single time. I see it. The tongue is a little much but it explains the the back story of this character more and why she does what she does. Yeah it also it's it's a way to show how she's able to take people's voices, right? Because she toa's with the people. She hasn't killed by using the voices of their loved ones that she's already taken. Right? And that's so creepy for Taylor to capture people's voices. It's almost like the I block monster in the House on Haunted Hill remake the okay. Yeah the house of ghosts and Just coming back to where you talking about how much she's obscured and we kind of just like get glimpses of her in the darkness fuck. She looks amazing even in the flashbacks where she's alive and the real present woman. I'm a normal woman. You still don't see her very much. She's obscured. She's got a spotlight behind her and we're just getting like the periphery like the we're getting a glimpse of her we get a rough sketch of what she looks like, but we never see her fully or were just seeing like her creepy hands pointing it to kids in the audience and shit because at the kids in the audience, it's are scared of her and in those moments the way that she's backlit and the way she's acting and the way she's cut talking to these kids. We're creeped out that whole story's it's my favorite part of this whole movie it totally Nails this like 1920s Carnival aesthetic that the whole movie is designed around like all of the the text design and like the signage and stuff of this film is 1920s. Yeah. It's a town that was built around this like Riverboat theater. That was their main. Economy was this entertainment complex and it's a huge and opulent and it's decaying now because it doesn't exist and it looks so cool, right you could put this in any movie and make a fucking supervillain Lair out of it. Yeah, I would fucking watch an X-Men movie. If this is where the bad guys went at the end of the day. There are some pacing problems with this movie that right, like don't you feel like it kind of just sections dragged into sections dragging the sections. I don't know what it is. It is because like everything you need to be there is there and there isn't a whole lot of excess but the movie just doesn't doesn't move as fast I guess as you want it to I don't know if that's the issue. I think the following the morgue attendee. I don't know if it was the right decision because we get a lot of information and like eeriness from them that doesn't quite make sense. Like I don't really know what the entire story is with the sister because you expect her to play into the final story, but She doesn't really doesn't the place is called was it like Ravens Hill or something Ram? Ravens Fair Ravens fair and she's holding a raven like yeah during sections of this movie and she seems to be able to talk to marry Sean the dummy. She talks to the dummy. Oh, maybe somebody should nosed. I was killed by Mary Shaw. And now she's talking to them through the dummy occasionally in different skin a different version that script she would have been in cahoots with Mary Shaw, right? Yeah. There's just not enough like she doesn't play into the movie for her to really exist other than setting. Up the crawlspace scare in the more that crawl space gear though, right? Yeah. Oh man. I don't even know what it was because I couldn't watch it like, oh he thinks Henry the the the mortician the guy runs the funeral home. Who is our way into 1920s 30s Mary Shaw backstory his sister. Yeah, I would say sister. Yeah is is he thinks she's in the crawl space and when he goes in its Mary Shaw, right? And that's where we see the tongues for the first time. It's maybe a little much. You know what it really is. It's the fact that we see Mary Shaw behind the dummy with her tongue going through the dummy. I like that. Yeah, it looks good. I think it looks friggin cool. Yeah her tongues weird. It's like a bunch of tongues is a whole bunch of tongue but not put on and like a neat way. There was a big long rope there like a Christmas tree looks like a whip of tongue like a Licorice Whip potatoes. There's it's a cat of nine tails a tongues. I gotta I got this. In three days the fact that Donnie Wahlberg follows the lead character Jamie all the way to Ravens Fair. Yeah, he's kind of doing like some independent digging like they bump into each other is way out of his jurisdiction. But yeah, so one I don't think this is his I don't know if the county what what he detective of yeah, but he's taking to work vacation. Yeah like that his case should he not be collecting like additional suspects like he should E not be checking in with his Precinct instead. He starts digging up the hundred dummies that were buried with Mary Shaw V love that the dummies all have their own Graves. They're cute little tiny coffins to but he did so he doesn't just dig up one and go. Hey, like it's empty. We cut to a flashback of him like he dug up a hundred grave tiny ass little great. I will say though, they look like they've been put under an inch of soil. So he probably could have done it with a toothbrush. She would have been perfectly fine. I just like a spoon that he stole from the hotel just like Book but pop up empty grave. I do want to ask you by the end of this hmm. Huan dug the graves what you think the answer is to that? Oh, we'll get to it. Once we okay get to the end of the movie. All right? Yeah. Sure. Okay, don't let me forget. Okay, cuz I want to know maybe it's clear. I don't know. Okay, I don't have an answer. Really. No, you're not sure. I don't know. Okay, I think we need to get to the end of the movie. So he comes back at the first person. He sees his dad and his dad had a stroke, but he's a changed man. Has nice pleasant wife who's like super sweet, even though she's like the same age as the lead character. I fucking love that was like I guess I'm your stepmom. There's a great joke. There is a hilarious. What did he say? Donnie Wahlberg is there and he's like, he's like, all right, man. Like, why'd you steal the Dummy from me? Like you're stealing evidence. That's the way I guess the law. I gotta take you back to the I gotta take you back to jail and he's like, I'm not fucking going. He's like, come on kids maybe cuff you in front of your mom. So good. Oh, it's funny and she has she's super nice. They have a great little moment where he's walking her through all of their family portraits where it's just him and his dad and he's just like, yep. That was my mom. That's my second. Mom. Don't worry. They all died. So we will just have you painted out of the next one. No, we know what he says. He says it's lucky you're gonna outlive him. So we can't paint you out of the next one because the the previous two are just them standing around an empty ass chair. Yes. He fucking wasn't vindictive ass. See, here's the thing. Was he vindictive. He sounds like he was a vindictive man sounds vindictive. It sounds like a dick move when you know that all of your wives are going to be killed by Mary Shaw because that's what it is. Right. It's like him and and why would you marry and have children you that's what I'm saying? Like that just doesn't make any damn sense and especially if you know that there's this thing going around killing all your friends wives and all your relatives wives and at least one of your wives. Why do you even continue? You why don't you just move like is it that it's like this personal guilt that you have to stay and live with it. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So what we learned is that in that flashback sequence where we see Mary Shaw and Billy the Puppet a kid heckles her and says that he can see her mouth moving and so good when she fucking get so Billy gets really really upset and she's trying to calm him down and then there's a point where they're like getting frustrated at each other and Both talking at the same time and so fucking the audience is like, oh my God. She's so good at this but the kids in the audience is like she's the devil. Yeah or like that doll has its own fucking voice that doll does not know. What do you mean? I'm a dummy. I'm a real boy. What are you talking about? I've gotta bring him up here. Let's hear what he wants to say. Let's hear him. Say it to my face. Whoa, so the boy that was doing the heckling ended up being the uncle of Jamie's Dad. So wasn't it? Jamie's dad's brother it wasn't it? Oh, no the yeah. Right. So Jamie's uncle's yeah, James wouldn't it disappeared like the following week which is why the town basically went after Mary show and they hunger. Yeah. I think they have you know, what's crazy is that she requested when she died that she be turned into a doll. Do you remember and buried with all of her dolls? Yeah. I don't understand why the mortician went through with that honored her with yeah because Henry the little boy who grows up to take over that funeral home. Came in and accidentally like spills her out in the floor and like one of the most haunting visuals this whole fucking movie like when the lightning strikes and we just see her fucking eyes piercing back and it really looks like he has cut her jaw. So that way she's a functional doll. Yeah and like gave her weird doll ass mouth and that's probably the only thing I would cut out of this movie is like the making her a doll part because like buddy you were taking your morgue job way too serious guy really honors last right? Also, shoot ya like this woman was like murdered as like a child killer. That's yeah. So like nobody in the town likes her. Yes. So like why are we honoring her like loose lips? Will that be like if Freddy Krueger was his final wish was like I want my ashes scattered over the preschool. Yeah, exactly and they're like, well, we gotta do it bury me with the children. I love like you're still alive and it's like well we asked us that's not my fault. I've got orders. I'm just following orders like orders of the Dead if I lived in that town. My final request will be to be brought back from the dead because this guy would continue to work on Until he found out that it wasn't possible. He would find a way to do it is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, but people like this though, like they got married and buried in unmarked Graves at the edge of town like they don't get a fucking Hero's welcome. Yeah, or they're just left out into the in the middle of the road for the vultures to pick their bones. That's dark. I don't think anybody that ever got hung from a tree got a burial. That's true what they used to leave them out to like one more time travelers who were traveling through towns, but then for the families would have to take their own. On dead down to bury them. Yeah, it's kind of sad. Oh boy. I'm in a lot with the Salem Hank. How are we going to spoil the end of this movie? How are we going to get there? Now? Maricha definitely kidnapped that little boy because when we go up into her like green room where all of her notes are untouched we find notebooks on how to create the perfect doll. It really looks as though she's trying to put the soul of a person into a doll. And we find his fucking Uncle like taxidermied into a doll but like as a kid as a little boy still so she did it way back then and it's still intact what I love so much about that is most of these movies about these like haunted villain things. They're these tragic figures who were wrongly murdered for this thing. And that's why they've come back to seek revenge. Yeah. She was bad before they murdered her was hella evil, like they murdered her because she Actually did what they thought she did. Yeah, they were not justified, but they were not wrong right in their accusation. Yeah, like she was actually a crazy-ass witch up there. Yeah, why didn't they they obviously didn't go into her green room. Right? Like they caught her in the street while she was at getting her rations. I don't know is that time but because they never found this kid's body, I guess right. Well, the her room was like hidden up in the rafters though. That's true. It's all talk. And then there was that weird like Labyrinth wall where she like we're walking. Through the water you have to recite a trailer line before going into the left. Nothing's what it seems and then like he's caught up again. Look that way. Yeah, what a legend straight to the castle right to that castle poor girl. I do love that. He's like nothing's what it seems and he's like dips off and then like two steps later. Donnie Wahlberg's cut up and he's like Oh, I thought I lost you there for a second. But yeah, they find the boy he's there and he is a prototype of the perfect. Doll who we later find out. She has been perfecting and the perfect all exists spoiler alert. It's his dad. His dad's been adult this whole time. Yeah, but he's being puppeted by the ultimate puppet, which is the wife. Yeah is Mary Shaw, which fucking confuses the shit out of me but is amazing. What's so good. Especially when we have these flashback moments where we see all the interactions that he's had with his dad and how she's Always been by his side. But really she's just like controlling his puppet and doing whatever. I love it. When did we even dressed the scene where he's eating soup? Yeah. She's gonna fold it down his like cavity. She's created. Oh, it's so good. But the weird thing is so Mary Shaw is a ghost and she's appeared throughout this whole movie. Yeah. Is she still in the wife like as she astral projecting and never what's your name? Yeah is the wife even a person like was the wife of if a person that Mary Shaw possessed or is the wife just this strength manifestation of Mary Shaw that she can like, you know, like Ursula the Sea Witch and so like Eric's Dream Woman good pool as a Little Mermaid reference. I think everybody knows Little Mermaid reference. What if it's Mary Shaw's daughter. What if Mary Shaw constantly trying to make the maybe she has a doll. She's a puppet puppet in another puppet. Yeah - that's kind of cool. I think if that were the case, they would have shown that right, but they Do show Mary Shaw's eyes in her at the end? Yeah, I don't know I'd I honestly do not have an answer for you. I'm not certain and maybe that's part of the reason people didn't love this movie when it came so but that's what I think solving whatever the key to this woman is is solves who's the one that dug the dolls out? Well that woman whoever she is a doll or a ghost Specter image is definitely the person that Doug All Those Grapes. Yeah, and then put all the dolls back in the thin and mailed that doll. off to Jamie and his wife Lisa and then we find out that the reason why the wife even got killed was because she was pregnant and she was the last person that Mary Shaw wanted to kill And bringing the Sun or in bringing Jamie back to kill him also thus killing the line of the people that insulted her bag in the 1920. Yeah. Fuck. Is she a ghost or is she a real person? She's definitely a ghost but is she also a real person? Okay. What do you think about it? It's like friggin frustrating because nothing can take away that like fucking sweet ass scene where you discover that the dad? Has been a dull the whole time and that's so great puppeting him. It's great too. Because when you look back at what he's wearing, he's definitely in a doll outfit. He's got a teeny little suit what he looked like corpse. He looks awful but we say it's because he's had a stroke. Yeah, but you were much better terrible. He looks which makes me wonder about the woman even more because she looks wonderful. So she's this dead person that the ghost is in would she not be decaying because it looks like dad's fucking decaying mmm, but then why would Mary Shaw appear as old-school Mary? People other than to just terrify them. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not sure. I have no idea one thing. I did want to talk about that. We didn't really touch on that. I think we need to give credit because James Wan and Lionel never like lesson. They're ghosts. They never make it like a Scooby-Doo story. They still have this huge fun mystery, but there's always it's always actually something paranormal about it. Yeah, and I think if they weren't making films in the early 2000s to now we wouldn't have any modern ghost stories. Like we'd have the the tragic ghost stories that like Guillermo del Toro's doing but these are like the the scary haunted store like haunted house stories. Yeah, it would be it would end up being like these stupid like, oh it was the realtor all along. No, they when they tell you that they're going to do something they fucking do it. That's just how it goes. Like hey, this is a house haunted by demons. It's going to be demons. It's not something pretending to be something. You're like somebody having like a mental illness. Yeah. No, that's the biggest thing. It's never that. They're crazy. Yeah ever and it's so refreshing to to get these horror movies with these scares and they're not lessened later by the plot and we don't take away the horror or the power from these specters by making them out to be something else so that when you actually see these creepy beings like haunting about the movie at the end all of those things get to stay with you and they get to keep scaring you next time because when you watch it a second time, oh, yeah, those things are still ghosts. Yeah, and I don't think there's a ton of people that are still doing that like making a horror movies that are out to scare you with monsters that and ghosts that we've created that are actually baddies. Yeah. Yeah. Because at no point is it that you need to show these ghosts? Oh, don't you remember when you were human? You don't want to be this evil? You're just mad your dad's like no. No, the only Humanity left in me is the fact that I was once alive, and now I'm not and I'm glad for it because I can rip your goddamn tongue out and it's mine now. Yeah, and I there's something interesting to I can't remember where I heard this but somebody was comparing the difference between like American ghost films and Japanese Japanese ghost films. Whereas like Japanese ghost films. Are these vengeful Spirits out for revenge and they will just kill willy-nilly whoever comes near them. Yeah, and it's there's no like importance or value upon life kind of thing. And then in American films, it's all about like the protagonist Journey. Yeah, and it's this ghost is a message. Yeah, and it's something terrible is going to happen. The ghost has been caught up in it and they're trying to prevent this from happening to the next person who happens to be like our protagonist like and I think that's what took American audiences by Rise with the ring because it's set up like it's going to be that but then the ghost is actually look. Oh no, I'm a Japanese ghost and I'm going to kill you. Anyways. Yeah, and I think that's great. That's what stunned audiences because it was like this Perfect Blend of like Japanese Horror in American Horror, so we were scared because we were used to oh the ghost is warning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah or the ghost needs our help to be late. So is it yeah that know so what's your rating of this movie? Oh my God. So right now I'm a four out of four. Yeah, cuz it aesthetically it's fucking cool. The villain is cool. And the filming is great. There's a lot of really great shots and it looks fucking cool like the coloring on this film is great. We didn't even talk about that how it's all in like almost like colorless and then there's a lot of red. I like it's a light source is interesting. I'm also a big fan of like the carnival aesthetic and yeah looks fucking cool and Mary Shaw is so fucking great look, even if she And dead if we just watched her as like a crazy puppet woman killing people in like the prestige like I'd be about that. Yeah, it's insane that they were able to make somebody as creepy alive as they were dead. Yes. Oh man. I think she's more scary in that scene where she's the Puppeteer then like when she's ghost woman. It's probably because it's the only time we really see her talk like she's interacting with people and like, you know, she has the capacity to just tear your soul out, but she's not yet and it also helps Stu when you find out that she was up to no good while she was alive, right? It really justifies why she was so creepy in those moments, but was it the doll because I think that seeing that I'm totally in like Oh Billy is real Billy is real. What is this is not a drill. Billy could have been a demon who's the person who let her know about how to make the perfect puppet. Oh maybe but it was the real they just have your I think we did we answered this. We don't know. We don't I really like this movie a lot. I for all the the exact same reasons you're talking about. I don't think I'm as in love with it as you are because it just like it's got a weird. I keep saying pacing. I don't know if that is right. There's just some pieces that don't quite fit together as well. As I think they should just in like the flow of the story because like all the components are fucking amazing and like yeah, maybe some of the the the digital touches that they did to the color palette of this movie aren't my favorite, but I'm giving this movie a 3.5 out of 4 because the scares alone in this movie are so worth it like so worth it. Yeah, if you haven't read watch this film in a while like please go fucking watch it. I did not expect to give this movie a 3.5 out of four. I was like, you know what I remember being surprised by it, but I bet this second time around to for probably yeah. I am really happy that we re-watched it and that we fucking love it. Yeah, and I'm also really happy. We watched it in this order Darkness Falls first followed up by doing science. Imagine getting like so amped to revisit Darkness Falls and just hating it when I liked what I was a kid is good. Now that's not always true. We have learned that is not always true. 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Hi friends, welcome to the modern Mama's podcast where to Modern mama's with the gold to inspire empowerment self-love deep physical and spiritual nourishment holistic health and Joy No Matter your journey gender or perspective. I'm Laura radical rings. I'm a certified cross the trainer certified nutrition consultant and Mama to ADT Wilder and I'm just I'm hold the Space Wellness. I'm a level 1 Cross Fit trainer a license of certified athletic trainer with a master's in kinesiology and Mama to Baron Camille. Please note that while we're here to provide advice and insights. We aren't medical practitioners and always recommend that you check with the trusted provider before implementing any changes. Thanks for joining us or so happy you're here. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the modern Mama's podcast. I have a really really special guest here with us today one that has been highly anticipated based on you guys this feedback. We have Julie Bauer today from paleo mg. Julie. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having me on we are so excited. This is a little bit of a unique topic that we're going to explore. We are the modern Mama's podcast. But for those of you that don't know we named it the modern Mama's podcast because Laura and I are Mama's not necessarily with the the whole intention of only diving into topics around motherhood, but I think this this topic is been highly requested by a lot of our listeners and it's interesting to note that you know, our listenership is really probably about a 50-50 split of Mama's. Yes, but also other women and men who are not moms, but you know support moms or are kind of in that, you know space where they're not really sure if they Gonna be a mama. So they're really exploring all their options and kind of getting to a decision a personal decision on their own. So this is going to be interesting wonderful very informative and educational and also again before we dive in the decision there the the podcast topic today is really a personal is Julie's personal story. It's her personal story about how she came to the decision to not have children at this point in time and we'll kind of Discuss why I said at this point in time and see if you know, this is a fluid thing for her if this is a hard-and-fast decision, which I know it can kind of it can morph in different ways. So I'm interested to really see your take on that Julia. But again, this is just a personal story. This is not the be-all end-all of everything and her questions that she asked herself or you know, the way that she came to this decision is not obviously the way that everybody comes to this decision. So take that for what It is Julie. Yes, so I'm going to have you tell us a little bit about yourself and your own words, but Julie correct me if I'm wrong your wife your mama to your dog Mama to Jackson. Yeah, we all know and love which by the way when he was sick. I don't want to bring up, you know bad feelings. But when he was sick, I cried I cried. Yes. Oh my God. I had so many people who messaged me and were like I was With you and it's funny because I not funny but when I saw a girl recently who lost her dog, she found out he had cancer and she had to put him down and she's telling the story and I'm just balling and this is like long after Jackson was sick, but I finally had that experience of watching someone else on social media that you connect with and you see their animal or you know, whatever their child their family member and you see them going through this hard time and you wish you could take that pain away and you're crying along with them. But it was amazing the support I got when Jackson was sick and he was in you know in the hospital and we thought he was going to pass away the support I got was crazy. I still have not gone through all the messages. I got from people. It was the most insane amount of messages. It was so cool. That's so crazy. Like people get invested. I mean, obviously you have a huge online social media presence and a lot of people watch your stories and it's I imagine it's kind of it's just interesting because People are so invested in your life and obviously in Jackson and I felt the same way. I was just like, oh my gosh, you know and Cassie Joy who is a mutual friend of ours, you know, I was talking with her about it and like we both got tears in her eyes because she obviously has Gus and it's the same like in her family like in our family, you know, pets are like they're my children too. I don't know like the attachment is really really deep and soda leaving. Talk about it without getting teary-eyed. So I know I mean, it's crazy that we can create such a strong bond with an animal and something that doesn't talk back to us. You know that it's like very one-sided but it's like they love you so unconditionally, so to see them hurt in any way or knowing that they're going to pass away before us most likely is just it's just so heart wrenching because they're just the most innocent creatures ever. Just want to make you happy they're just not the best but now he's all back to normal and healthy and better than ever which is so cool. That's amazing. And I do think I was having this conversation with someone yesterday. Actually, it's really unfair that dot the dog lifespan does not match the human lives. It's not fair. I'm really not fair. It's crazy. It was like a really eye-opening experience because you kind of forget this is my first dog like my My own personal dog, you know not just my parents and you kind of forget that they're not going to live forever because you know, they're a puppy and they you're like, oh, you know, we have like maybe 12 to 14 years, you know when you have a smaller dog, and so you just don't think that's going to come very fast and then to have that experience where you're like, oh my God, he might not come home and our house is going to be quiet and we'll have this dog food in a dog bowl. Would we do throw that out? It's like weird things you don't think about and then when they actually do pass It's like man, that's just so crazy. They don't live very long. Yeah, they're just too innocent. You know, I know world is too crazy a place they have to move on. Okay. Now that we've got our cry Fest. It's important dog Mama's. It's an important and important role so way off tangent here, but Julie, you're the founder and owner of the blog paleo mg, which has over 650 paleo friendly recipes. You are a fashion icon. Con seriously a fashion icon with regular weekly fashion posts and you're also a New York Times bestselling author with the payload kitchen and the Paleo cookbook. So I mean you don't have that much going on right like life is yeah. I was easy easy peasy Phelan so I know a little bit about you because Cassie again, I know y'all are good friends, but she talks about how much of a hard worker you are been about how you could probably work like all day long and just continue. Like, you know create content that's really helpful for people. And also I recently heard that your husband you guys are working together ish sort of yes. Yes. He he worked at this business for 14 years. It was killing him. I told him at one point. It's either going to kill you or it's going to kill our relationship because you can't you can't function as a person anymore. You're so wrapped up in this job. That's just killing you. You and so he I finally talked him into quitting it took a couple years, but I finally talked him into it and he quit his job in April and I told him to take the whole summer off. I'm like don't think about work. You've worked six days a week for 14 years. Sometimes 7 just relax do what you want to do. Go golf travel with me help me out with some stuff when I need it and live your best life. And so he's just been doing his thing and he helps me whenever I need help with stuff and I'm like, we'll figure About the job later. Like we have a mortgage we can cover we're okay. We don't have kids like we don't have to worry about that right now. So figure out your life, it's so fun. So he's never been happier. Pretty cool. Oh my gosh, that makes me really incredibly happy for you guys. I've you know, my husband doesn't work the crazy hours, but he's bitten I think a lot of us can probably relate when we see our partner or spouse like in a job that's really likes literally sucking the life out of them. And the fact that you guys got to work together to create a solution where it like, hopefully he does find something that's checks all the boxes. You know for him. I think it's just amazing because it's seeing your spouse or partner like fulfilled is it just gosh it's so rewarding. I don't know so I had to make sure relationship so much better like when you have both and you know life isn't great. You're not going to be happy every single day, but when you fulfill Fulfilled in your daily life and you don't have stress that's sucking the life out of you. You can give so much more to your partner. And that's what it was really lacking within our own relationship is he had nothing left to give in the relationship because everything had been taken away from him and stalked out of him and and it's a great company and I'm not talking bad about it by any means, but it just, you know, there's there's only so much you can give and to be able to give back to your relationship if you can't Find the balance between both it's time to move on and it's hard to get to that point and it's really hard. If you know, you're the only person working in the relationship, you know, we couldn't have done that if he was only person working. So I'm like this is the time to do it. Well my business is doing well. You never know how that's going to change and so it's been awesome. It's so cool. He's golfing right now. That's amazing and really luckily he can do that because you guys are in Colorado and we're in Texas right now where you literally Go outside for more than 30 minutes. That's amazing. Is there anything else that you want to share with us about like your business what's going on with you? Like business is just kind of like exponentially growing for you. It's consistent hard work. I'm assuming just yeah, it's just kind of a Daily Grind. I shared to new recipes a week on my blog. I share the workouts. I do every week to hopefully give some people at some inspiration and new moves to try I try to share a ton of workout videos on my Instagram and I'm actually filming a ton tomorrow and then I'm always sharing kind of my beauty skincare routine because skin I've suffered with cystic acne for years and years and gone through all kinds of different experiences and I get tons of treatments done to work on it. So I share that kind of crazy ride along the way so I'm always just trying to come up with different kinds of content. That's helpful from ways to work on self-confidence, too. New skin care product to try I just try to kind of hit all different things. And so people are always able to find out about new products new companies new recipes just get inspired in different ways. That's what I'm hoping to do. I love it. I really have loved watching the evolution of it being like a really recipe heavy blog which don't get me wrong like you still cranking out some quality recipes but much more like a lifestyle blog where it is. It's that whole picture like you No, the workouts and the skincare and the mindset and the fashion and I like it's kind of like a One-Stop shop, which I love. Yeah. Yeah, I hope so. I want to share all kinds of different things because that's how we all are, you know, we all have different things that make us tick and so I get to share all of those in one place and that's so fun. It is it's awesome. Well today you're going to be sharing your story about your decision not to have children, and I know you've shared about it. I'm in various platforms various ways you Your own podcast and you know very active on Instagram. But today we're going to be talking about and really just kind of like dive deep into it. We have some listener questions. Everyone's really excited that you're you're the person that's going to be speaking about it. And so what I kind of want to preface, I feel like this is a sensitive topic you and I were discussing this a little bit before I hopped on it's really sensitive topic, but I do also think for for various reasons, probably the idea that women Women would choose not to have children has become much more not necessarily commonplace, but more social shows socially acceptable. I don't even know if that's the right word. It's just a conversation. That's not quite so taboo anymore. Yes, you know, I mean, I'm sure it's different everywhere depending on where you live, you know the South First Colorado like I live in a community of people where many people my age or Not to have kids or they're like, you know what maybe that'll change in the future, but I'm just around a lot of people like that. And I know that's not the same every where you live. So I'm lucky to be in a community that I feel supported in that but I know not everybody does but I think it's definitely becoming less of a Taboo Talk topic for people our age when I talk to you, you know, I know we'll talk about this but when I talk to my mother-in-law or even my mother about it, it's like what But why why would you not have children? Of course, they've had children they had me they had my husband like they want grandchildren. They want the most fun part of having kids and then to say I don't think I'm going to have them it's very much like wait what for the kind of older generation. So I think it's getting less and less taboo and more talked about and people understand that people are just very different. We're all so different we are and that's what I love about our Casas really celebrating and cherishing those differences and really creating a space where we can actually have this conversation in a meaningful and respectful way. So I'm really really excited to dive in but before we do I like to do an ice breaker question and I'm really curious about this because I know you love food and I if you what's your absolute favorite thing to eat of all time, like if you had to eat pick what your last meal, for example, what would it be? Kuri kuri down Thai curry. Is there a place specific place? Okay. Now, of course, I'm going to forget the name because I've only been there once it was this place in a Santa Barbara and I can't remember the name, but I have I have it in my Santa Barbara Post. Okay, so but it was the most delicious Curry I've ever had and I could eat it a million other times. Oh and there's this place in Vegas. S that's phenomenal it's called Lotus of Siam and I could eat the Thai curry every day of the week there. I just love Thai curry. I love it so much. I just had a green curry risotto the other night. That was phenomenal. I just love curry man. Do you like it? Did I see any kind this bastard? No, because Thai Spices are bananas. It's like there's Thai Spice and there's American. Thai Spice and I like it I like to get like a little sweat on my upper lip, but I don't want it to be like that. I can't finish the dish. So so I like it moderately spy van up into three moderately Spicy Thai curry. All right, we have our answer the world was wanting to know so so good. Oh my God, I love it. Okay. So I feel like we have kind of dope into your business background and how you kind of got to where you were. I feel like we could just jump right into the topic. Are you ready? Let's do it. All right, so Let's just I mean, I feel like it's I feel like there's no real way to like he's into this but I guess we'll just start by saying when did you feel get that initial feeling that you were thinking that you might not want to have children? How did that kind of story evolved? And you know, I don't I can't really like figure out the time that I would like. I don't want to have kids. I never thought that it was just I never felt a pull towards having Children, so when I you know when I see a baby or my friends having kids like I'm like, oh that's cute, but I don't have this need to like hold the baby and be around the baby constantly and I can't wait to see the baby and I just never had that pole and honestly when I think back to what kind of made me feel like, okay, I don't know if I really want to have kids. I was a lifeguard for 10-plus. Years and I taught swim out swim lessons for probably seven and if you've taught swim lessons, you have been screamed at you've been kicked in the face. You've been spit at you've had poop surrounded by you and water you've been peed on I had ringworm on my neck at one point because the kid wrapped his arms around me and had it on his arm. So I had a lot of things introduced to me at a young age. Like whoa, this is a lot and when you're like taking care of children almost like Parent when your life guarding because the parents have just like gone off and gotten drunk off the side bomb has been the parent as a young adult and I'm like, I don't know if this is for me so I can't say the exact day I decided it but once I started dating my now husband and so we started dating and like 2012 and when we started dating and it got more serious. I told him I'm like just so you know, I don't have any interest in having children. I don't know if That will change I can't say for sure because I'm not a person who says this is you know forever but I don't have any yearning or want. So that's something you have to be okay with moving forward with me. And if you're not okay with that I 100% understand like you have to be with a person who wants the same things as you with in the future. And so that was something he had to think about and my husband definitely loves kids way more than I do and he's Good with them and he would be such an amazing father. And so when we started getting more serious, that was like he told me he's like, okay, I'm okay with that and I just want you to be honest with me if that ever changes. So something that I do every year is I check in with him to say. Hey, are you okay with not having kids right now and it's something I bring up yearly because I he's seven years older than me and so I don't want him to feel like He's missing out on something because he's you know a little bit older. He seen all of his friends already have children and have like kids that are 10 years old and I don't want him to feel like he's missing out. So it's definitely something that I stay I keep up with every single year, but it's hard to put an exact thing that came up but I've just never had the feeling that I can't wait to have kids at like some of my friends have right? Okay, you know, it's interesting because so when you met your husband, did you ever doubt that decision like if I'm gonna get we get pretty personal on here if you don't answer anything by all means just to be like, I don't know, but did you ever because you said like he would make an amazing father and he you know, did you ever doubt that decision or that like instinct or have you ever gone back and forth between that decision and your mind, I mean I My all the time I go back and forth in it all the time because at the end of the day, I know I don't want this right now. It's not ready for it's not what I want out of life and I am a person that has learned to really go with my gut and my gut tells me that's I'm not in the position to have children right now and so but it is something that I fight with regularly and I've cried to my husband about and it's something that I told him that scares me that you know, you'll get to a point where you like really want to have kids and I don't and where will our marriage go from there. And I know my mom actually went through that with a previous marriage before my dad, they're still married, but her previous marriage she decided she wanted to have kids and he didn't and of course there were other things in the marriage but at the end of the day that's kind of what pulled them apart as well and So that's something that has really stuck with me. But you know, I think you have to stay true to yourself. And if you if you don't really really want something like a human being in your life. How are you going to be the best mom, but that being said if I accidentally got pregnant and we had a child. I know I would fully love that child so freaking much and give them the best life, but it is something I battle with more so some years. So then others I felt really good about it this year and that feeling and wanting to do other things and fill our lives in different ways, but it's definitely something that eats at me a little bit that it's like I carry all this responsibility that you know, I'm the one who makes the decision because I'm the one who's going to carry this child to term and so it almost feels like it's more my decision instead of our decision and times. So it's something I battle with for sure. But this year has been a year where I'm like, no, I don't I just don't want that at all. I love that. You mentioned that it's it's a process. It's still an ongoing process for you. I mean, even if you're checking in with your partner and that's a question that one of our listeners has like how do you keep that conversation open with your partner? And I think you kind of nailed that it's more like, you know, we just keep communicating it audit and I think we we talked about communication on the Cast like as the key tool pretty much like every relationship but it's like I love that you mentioned that you just keep checking in and you just keep checking in and you're probably constantly checking your heart like you said like is this still what I want? Okay. Yes it is right. Now. This is what I want and also preserving that space for you to change your mind if if it does happen, you know, but I think communication as you know, if you're in a healthy relationship communication is key to an Ongoing healthy relationship. And so you have to let them let that other person feel safe coming to you with their concern. So I tell him like if you feel this pull towards having children, I need you to come talk to me about it. Don't sit on it because you don't know if it's going to upset me or put me in a weird position. Like keep you just want to keep that open communication. So, you know what they're feeling at all times because when that person keeps something inside and it builds it's just going to get Oh much worse over time. Totally there's going to be some sort of explosion and it may be over something silly that has nothing to do with with the real issue. But then it comes out definitely seen that go down before all the time. Yeah all experienced in our relationships in some way totally. So tell us a little bit more about the process that you yourself went through. I mean you were obviously thinking about this before you met your husband. So what was the process like for you? Was it more formalized? Did you make a list? Or was it just like a feeling? Was it a little bit of both? Did you have any specific questions that you actually asked yourself to try and like get to the like root of it. Yeah, when I first felt it was just like okay. This is just I don't want that. So that's that's it. And then I actually did a podcast about it and I wanted to kind I just wanted to lay it out in a way that I could talk about it on the podcast easier and so I wrote down a pros and cons list. And this is really funny because when my husband and I we had our first year of our relationship it was on and off we broke up. We got back together. We broke up. It was just very up and down and when we got back together the last time I was really pushing back. I'm like, I just don't think this is going to work out and I told him I'm like, I think we should write down a pros and cons list you write down your list. I write down mine and we go through this and see if these are things that can be improved. Don this these cons list and so we did that in our relationship and it made our relationship so strong and to some people that sounds like the weirdest thing but it made our relationship so much stronger because we it was really opening up to the things that weren't talked about. And so I did that with a pros and cons list of having a child of what are the pros what things could I get from hat having a child and raising a child for 18 plus years and then what are the cons? And to me the cons at this point out weigh the pros and so that was kind of a good visual, you know, when you're not understanding something getting a visual can kind of help you at times. And so that's kind of how I went through at all. I love that and I love that you were kind of like I think seeing some of those things in black and white can really be helpful. I mean, we just did that with this kind of off the topic, but we just did it Tim. My husband got a job offer and he's also working on building a His own business and so we were like, oh we should just take the job because it's table and then we put it on paper. It was like, well, it's not actually more money and you know, there's all these it's just it's weird to see not weird, but it's actually quite helpful to see it in black and white makes the decision a lot easier. So do you mind sharing what were some of your pros and cons the ones that you be comfortable sharing? Yeah. I mean, of course Pros as we all know. It's like you've never love something so much and to raise them. One and show them how to enter the world as a good person. I think there's all these great things about having children, but for some of the cons, I mean Financial Financial standpoint how expensive it is to raise children and take care of them and to give them the things they need for me. Just the time that goes into having a child, you know, you're going to have them for 18 plus years and all. The things that I want to do like traveling on a regular basis and for me right now just doing whatever I need to do at that moment. Those are something things that I really want out of life. I want to be able to call the shots. And when you have a child you don't get to really call the shots there. It's depending on their own their schedule and what they have going on and you know, when earlier when I felt these feelings when I was probably like 24 23 24 a lot of it at first started with body stuff and it was physical like just how the hormones how the poor moans affect your body and having to deal with postpartum afterwards like all those things were really scary to me and now I don't have those same feelings because my body changes all the time whether I'm pregnant or not, and so I think postpartum I think Scary thing of just some of the feelings that you have the hormone changes that you go through that's scary to me, but it's not like that. I wouldn't have children over it but I think at the end of the day, it's just Freedom just having the freedom to do what I want when I want for as long as I want and work for as many hours as I want. Those are things that I really appreciate in my own life, and I'm just not totally willing to give up yet. That's I think you for being honest ensuring that and just so you know, I absolutely Lutely, no judgment whatsoever. And I 100% understand every single pro and con that you said because it's all true. It's all definitely something that like if our listeners are out there trying to decide if this is a decision that they want to make or not. It is all something that's affected. I mean your entire life is affected and of course like you said, there's a million blessings and a million wonderful reasons to have children, but the Real reality of his of it is that when that happens? I'll speak from personal experience at least your focus shifts almost almost a hundred percent whether it's a good thing or a bad thing to this other human being that you're like, oh crap lately. I burst this child now. I need to keep it alive. I need to keep it safe. Yeah anything keep it happy you feed it and close it and spend time with it and make sure that I didn't like it doesn't end up in therapy and down in 20 years. Yes because of and it probably went. Yeah, I probably will always be no matter what we love therapy on the podcast here. By the way. We think therapy is holiday for everybody. But so it's very real and I think you just saying those things out loud. I think sometimes people are afraid to say well I'm worried about what my body will look like because people fear like they're going to be judged for caring about that. But I mean, that's just a natural thing to be concerned about and the real real at least for me is He does look different. It's not good or bad but it's definitely, you know taken some adjustment on my part, you know, my postpartum like all the things that happen. So it's real those those concerns are real and valid and I'm sure there are a lot of people out listening they're going to be nodding their head along and being like, yes, like those are the things those are the things that that I'm you know concerned about. So thank you for sharing those. Yeah, and you know, it's like I'm sure many women have had a lot of these same fears before they had a chance. A child and then they go through it and you just figure it out, you know like you were to certain way before you had a child and then you have to child. I have a child and you find different ways to work and your life just changes and you figure it out along the way and so, you know when I feel like sometimes when you're talking about, you know women do have those fears with body changes. I had talked about that previously and I worked with this brand. This the brand reposted one of my photos and this girl went on the their Instagram and said I can't believe you're supporting this this girl. Julie says she doesn't want to have children because how it's going to change her body. Like she's such a selfish disgusting person. It was like wait wait, wait wait, I talked about that on my podcast, but I also named 15 other things that worry me that are very important things and that's all you had as a takeaway. And so I feel like Sometimes people they read into one thing and like they feel attacked for using that and like I have many friends with children. I have many friends who want to have children and who don't want to have children and I see all of them the same and so I don't know why people sometimes feel attacked with that different Viewpoint and kind of feel like they have to attack back because you know, Well, you're not attacking them for having children. Like why would you want to have children? Yeah, it's so strange because and I'm not judging people for having children just because I don't want to have children. It's just like I'm not judging this person for wearing a pair of pants that I hate. Like it's just the pants they want to wear, you know, so it's just such a it's a funny topic because it it just like makes people feel so sensitive like that you see them differently for Were wanting something different than them and that's so not the case. Sorry. That was like a total tangent. I think that is really important weird thing you experience with people. I think it's really important and I think it's also it's everyone's going to relate to this topic and really any topic based on their own particular story. And that's just not I love this quote. I think it's I can't remember who said it but other people's opinions are none of your business and really like, yes, that's true. Like I It's hard as it is and I'm I don't know if you're into the Enneagram, but I'm a 9 on the Instagram. So I want everyone to be happy and everyone to love me and it's really hard when people don't like me for a total area is really I mean, no one likes not be liked but it's hard but it also comes like the work is realizing that has nothing to do with you and everything to do with their personal experience in their story. So I'm glad freeing when you understand that and get to that point that when One's attacking for some reason, you know, it's all coming back from something. They're going through in that moment that has nothing to do with you. It's just it's such a freeing feeling once you understand that. Yes, totally. 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And obviously, it's it's hard because I mean, maybe it's not hard is it? It tell us about it. Like how do you stay connected with your friends who are moms and dads? I feel like the only time it's hard is when they feel like they're not connected to me because I don't have children because I never feel that way when I go to my friends who have kids or who have newborns. I never don't feel connected to them. Like I'm very genuinely interested in what they're going through the changes. They're going through the ups the Downs they're going through and so I feel very interested. In the changes that are going through in their own lives as they become parents or you know, you're always learning new things as a parent because your child is always going through something just like you are without a child. You're always having different things that happen. So I never feel weird around it. I've had a couple friends that I feel that they feel uncomfortable that they can't connect with me because I don't have children but there are plenty of parents that I have out there who don't feel that way with me. So I think it Goes back to how they feel like, I remember being at this party and this and she was very drunk, but she weird I was asking about her kids and what things are happening in their life and then she's like, so when are you and Brian going to have kids and I told her I'm like, oh, you know, I don't know if we are that's just never been on kind of my own agenda. Who knows that that'll change and right away. She was like, oh and the conversation stopped She didn't know how to Hold a conversation after that came up. It was like I had hit her with a pan or something in the face. It was so funny because I'm like, I'm still the person you were talking to ten minutes ago. Like nothing has changed other than me saying, I don't know if we're going to have kids but it was like she didn't know how to talk to me after that. So I've experienced that a little bit but most of my friends who you know, I've been with friends with for years, they understand that and none of that changes and I still of their kids and loved being around their kids. So if it if there is some kind of weird feelings, it's usually because they feel that way and that's that's hard thing to break. I can understand how they feel like, I don't understand them because I don't I don't know what things they're going through but that's okay. We all are going through different things and we can connect with people on other and other ways. So it's something I go through sometimes but I don't have those feelings. Myself very much. I think that's a really interesting point to it's more. I don't know why that's become the like conversation starter with adult relationships. It's like if you are a women of married age of childbearing age or whatever people feel like that's just like the opening conversation starter. It's not a judgment because I'm sure I've done that before too like hey when you guys gonna have kids or joking about it, but it's also I think it's really great. Point that you bring up that hey when we start a conversation, like there's so many other things that you can connect with someone on as human beings besides whether or not they're going to have children or what it's like to parent children. I'm obviously that's a huge part of my life. But I love to talk about skin care and like the Enneagram and fitness and food and books and movies and there's just so many other topics of conversation. I think we can connect with each other. On there's so many more and that's that's something I think people need to be. So aware of is when I when I got married that was all the question. I was hearing from everyone and I was like, wait what like just because I got married doesn't mean I have to have children and people are like, well, that's what you do. I'm like, no not necessarily like what if I what if I was going through infertility and then I couldn't have a child and it was a really sensitive topic which I have many friends going through that and then you're kind of rubbing it. In my face asked me about it. I think it's something we have to be become aware of it's like people are so much more than their marriage or their child or whatever else. There's so many more pieces to that person that we can learn about instead of just saying, okay. What's next on your list? Like okay you got like when we were just dating it was like when are you getting engaged and I'm like, oh shit. I didn't know that. I was supposed to get engaged soon. Like I hadn't really thought about it and then put this pressure on me and then it was the kids after that and So it's always something next one is when are you having the next kid? When are you going to have the next and I feel you know, those are such personal decisions between those two people or even that one person. So I think we need to turn the topic into something else because there really is so many other things we can learn about individuals that we don't know about them that doesn't have to do with that. Absolutely. Do you have a go-to response? This is the listener question too. But do you have just one that you kind of throw out there and try and shift the Conversation or just kind of feel it out with every situation. Yeah. I feel like I kind of feel it out, but I wish I had like a more like funny one or something, but I'm just always like yeah, that's not really my plan. So, I don't know if we're going to have kids. I just don't really have any interest in that and I don't always know how to go about it because every situation has been so different with people some people are like, oh that's cool and other people are like Wouldn't you have children? So it's like I feel like sometimes I have to tiptoe and that's silly like I shouldn't have to tiptoe about my own personal decision that has nothing to do with anybody else other than myself and my husband so it's definitely something that I feel like it's a little challenge around but I usually just say, you know, that's just not on our radar right now. We're just doing other things and people are like, well, that's so you don't have that many years. I'm like, well, there's a lot of countries to visit and And I just I just kind of steer the conversation in two places. I want to go to because that's just more on the agenda right now. Right and I think I mean, I don't know, you know you but I can see like humor being a part of like just your way to like steer the conversation but at the end of the day, it's like you should be able to just say no. I don't want to have children and that should just the response should be like cool. What else can we talk about? Like, I feel like I always To elaborate like yeah, I'll finish like oh, yeah, we I don't know if we're going to have kids and then it's like this long silence. And so I'm like because you know, and I feel like I have to like explain myself when I don't have to explain like anything to anybody I'm talking to but I still have that feeling and you know, who knows if that'll change maybe it'll change if I you know, hit like 45 50 and go through menopause people will stop asking but I'll just get real blood and be like, it's none of your business for real. Mind your business. Okay. So, how do you feel? How do you keep how do you keep from feeling out of the loop? You kind of alluded to you like you just not really an issue to you. But like say you're with a bunch of like your friends who are Mama's and they're having conversations about kids. Do you ever feel out of the loop or do you try to contribute to the conversation or are you more of just like, hey I'm here for like empathy and sympathy but I don't have much to ask conversation. I feel like sometimes like sometimes I'll have my friends talking about, you know, something they're going with with the kids and I almost want to relate my own experiences with a dog back to kids that I have to be like Julie just dog is nowhere near the experience of having a child like you need to shut it down. So I always like don't bring up that but that's how I want to relate. I'm just like, oh man, like when they're talking about they're like Potty training I'm like, yeah, man when I when Jackson was potty training and I'm like no Julie shut it down. You cannot do that. So I feel like sometimes I have a hard time my sister-in-law. She she's kind of on the fence about having children, but she's also not married. She doesn't want to have kids until she's married. And so she just doesn't know where she wants to go, but we'll be in those situations where were with all our friends who have kids and we'll be there for a while and then we're sometimes like okay crap we have like Thing to relate to this conversation and I feel like the things we have to bring up in conversation or just annoying to them. They're like, okay, they're like bitch. You're not busy wait till you have kids be busy. I'm like, okay. Well, I don't know if I'm going to have kids. So can I just never relate to what you're going through like that kind of sucks. And so there are those situations where you just feel like okay. I can't bring any of this convert anything to this conversation and I don't want to like efendim. Mom either with my own input into the situation, but I'm also lucky enough to be in a community where there's a ton of my friends who don't have kids and so I have plenty of social situations that don't include children. But yes, it's I just try to be sympathetic to what they're going through and listen and you know, I just was talking to my hair stylist today where she told me her, you know, two year old hit her in the face because You messed up like their swim lesson, and he couldn't go to swim lessons, but he just doesn't understand and he doesn't understand that hitting someone in the face of the bad thing and she know she's telling me these stories and she's like man, you're never going to have kids because of these stories. I'm like no. No, I like like you're only going to tell these crazy stories because they're crazy ones. You're going to tell like how cute your son is while he hugs and kisses you at night like it's not as fun to talk about. So I just like hearing the stories and be sympathetic to the situations are going. Through and then hopefully they want to hear my own life stories without feeling like I can't understand what they're going through. So I think it's a two-way street and you just have to have friends who are understanding and like just care about your own life too. You know, you got it has to go both ways. 100% And I think that it's you know, whether it's a good or a bad thing the people who can't relate to you because you don't have kiddos you. They're probably going to kind of lose their way. Maybe the relationship is not going to stay strong and and maybe that's a sign that it didn't have a strong Foundation because there should be other things that keep you connected in any sort of relationship. You know what I mean? Like I I feel personally again that I'm not just a mom and that's not a judgment. I don't want anyone to get upset. I love being a mom. I love my role as a mom. But I also am like I'm a very multi-dimensional person in like I feel like like if I'm in a room of with my mom friends and single friends or you know other women that who are choosing not to have children like I can still really enjoy their company and still find something to talk about with them and empathize like with their struggles as people that don't have children, you know, like it's just just being a human like connecting to another human. Yeah. Yeah and being understanding of what they're going through and remember like there was life. For you had a child too. And so, you know other and now a person who you know doesn't have children and so you have to remember there is life without that child too and just remember that it's just it's a it's a tough one, but I still I'm lucky to have friends who support my own choices and understand those even though they can't completely connect with it, you know? Yes, absolutely. So we're coming to the end of our our episode which I'm really sad because I feel like I have a million other questions, but these are these last couple are kind of a little bit of doozies here. So I'm going to see what's on your heart. But was it hard part one was it hard to have that conversation with y'all's parents and this kind of the second part kind of ties into it because do how does how does that relate to that like perceived? Social judgment like real or perceived social judgment like, oh my gosh, they're not having kids. Like I'm sure it kind of ties in because our parents, you know, and this day and age they're mostly a little bit more old school like you that they had us obviously they have children. So kind of how was that navigating that conversation and then like just the social aspect of it, you know, my parents haven't been to vocal about their feelings towards that I think because they don't want to upset me because they know it's an UPS can be an upsetting topic for me already. And so they don't really voice their opinions on that. They just support me and being happy. I think that's at the end of the the end of the day. They just want me to be happy and that's what they've hoped for forever. And so I know it bums them out because I'm an only child as well. And so this is their kind of one opportunity to be grandparents, but my mother-in-law is much more vocal about it and when she first found out When she heard that like I said something to one of her friends and that I don't know if we're going to have kids. She was like, what do you mean you're not going to have kids I was like, oh, I just I don't know if we're going to and she was like, what does Brian know that I'm like, yeah. Yeah, we've talked about it and that was a very hard thing for her and I think it's still is and you know, of course I haven't said like this is the only way I'm never having children, you know, that might change because we change all the time. And I'm freaking 31. My mom had me when she was 38. So I grew up thinking that everybody had children in their late 30s not knowing that was kind of quite the anomaly when especially my mom's age back then so it's hard with my mother-in-law for sure and it's something I try not to bring up but she'll she'll constantly say when she comes over that she got rid of my birth control or say things like that. Oh Lord, she brings it up. Sure, but I just try to kind of stay clear the conversation because I don't want I don't want to upset her and those feelings of having a grandchild. So that's it's a hard one. For sure. Yeah, and I think gosh it's another thing. It's like seeing the perspective from both sides and not one is right or wrong. Obviously. This is you guys decision. It's very personal, but I can imagine you know, as a like I still obviously of my children decided not to have children. Children or they were gay or whatever it is that they want to do with their life. I'm going to support them. But at the same time it's like I almost it's something I have to work on. Like I imagine them having kids right like that. I'll be your grandma one day and then if they choose not to it's like that takes time to process right like to change your idea of what your life will look like and so I can see it. I mean, I can definitely empathize with her not to say that like joking about throwing Birth control away is funny really at all. But like, you know what? I mean? I don't know if that makes any sense. Oh, really? No. I completely understand coming from that standpoint of like you've seen you picture your children growing up a certain way you picture it and then when it doesn't go down like that, you're like wait, this is not what I pictured for my life. And so that's kind of a hard pill to swallow sometimes and I'm like luckily. You still have two other children. So remember that that but it's you know, that's something you have to face as a parent. It's like you don't get to make their decisions for them. And so then you kind of have to move on from some of those things that you picture and the like you pictured so I know it's a hard hard thing for my parents and my mother-in-law for sure it is but it's also one of the many many lessons the main lesson that I've learned in parenting is that your children like you do not control your children, obviously when they're little like you guide them and you're trying to teach them. But like ultimately they are their own human there there little individual with their own thoughts and feelings and like just so much. It's like the biggest teaching lesson I've ever learned as a parent like you cannot control another human being and yeah, it's a good one. It's a really really good one the sooner you learn it the better off you can't control but you can support and that's what you know, I recently went to my friend's wedding and it was a wedding of two guys and One of the parents didn't show up and like this is totally you know, different topic but at the end of the day like your kids are going to choose whatever life they want to choose and they're going to live whatever life and if you can just support them in whatever happy and healthy life. They choose that is the best thing you can do as a parent is just support them. And so it's so hard to see when parents don't support because it isn't the life they see for their own child. It's so sad you just you have to learn As a parent like you just can't control everything you can guide them and then they're going to create their own life for themselves. Absolutely 100% I love that will to round it out. What is your top advice to women or couples who are in a similar Place navigating this decision. Like if you could say one thing like one last little thing you've already shared so much but what would that be? I think it is listening to yourself because you know, we're We're just bombarded with with social media with images of people and having children. And that's the thing you're supposed to do or your family members or your friends and it's so easier for us to just fall into doing what everybody else does but if it doesn't feel right to you listen to that and that's okay. It's okay to be different than what you feel. Like everybody else is doing around you listen to yourself. Listen to what you want out of life because As we all as we know the only thing we know is we get were given one life so we might as well live it exactly how we want to whether that's with children or not. So listen to yourself and stay true to yourself as what I think is most important for any person out there Children Are No Children perfect truth bomb perfect wrap up to that episode. I wanted so much. Thank you. Julie tell us where we can find you how to connect with you all all the good things about where you live. On the interwebs where you can find me on pay Liam g.com. So that's pink pale OMG and you can find me on Paleo mg everything. So Instagram Facebook, I will never write back on Facebook because I hate Facebook. You can find me on Instagram. You can find me on Instagram stories. You can find my dog Jackson on there who is currently like trying to attack my hand and ruin this podcast and yeah, feel free to message me there. You can leave a comment on my blog I replied. My comments there and I think that's about it. Come try some my workouts on Instagram. Awesome. Thank you so much. Julie as always if you guys are loving what you're hearing, please check us out on iTunes right us write a review. You can find Laura and I on Instagram. I'm at just dot hold the space and Laura's at Laura dot radical roots. And you can email us with questions. Is that Jackson? Yes. Oh my God. I love it. We do real life your we're not a perv. Ugly edited podcast, but party. I love it so much. You can email us at modern Mama's podcast at gmail.com for any questions or ideas for interviews. Thanks so much for being here guys. Thank you so much, Julie. Thank you. Bye. Stained around podcast see you next time. Thanks for listening to our podcast. See you next time.

In this episode, Jess sits down with Juli Bauer of Paleomg, to chat one of our most requested topics - the decision to not have children. While many of our listeners are mamas or mamas to be, we have so many men and women following along who are still investigating the idea of motherhood, and it's important for us to honor that journey as an integral piece of our community! Juli shares her personal story, including how and why she arrived at her current decision, the conversation she had with her partner, how she navigates her friendships with the mamas in her life, managing societal expectations and so much more. She brings her classic humor, wit, and honesty to the table, and we are so excited to share this important episode with you all! Juli Bauer is a wife and mama to french bulldog Jackson. Juli is the founder and owner of the blog PaleOMG, which has over 650 paleo friendly recipes. She’s a fashion icon with regular weekly fashion posts, workouts and travel tips. Juli is a New York Times’ bestselling author including, The Paleo Kitchen and Juli Bauer's Paleo Cookbook. Connect with Juli on her website (www.paleomg.com)  Get 15% off Beekeeper's Naturals products with code: modernmamas Get 15% off Four Sigmatic products with code: modernmamas  Connect with us: Modern Mamas – @modernmamaspodcast Laura – @laura.radicalroots Jess – @jess.holdthespace Laura’s website – http://myradicalroots.com/ Jess’ website – https://www.jessgaertner.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-modern-mamas-podcast/support

Welcome back or welcome to the humans of triathlon or hot podcast where we bring you the ordinary but extraordinary world of triathlon one human one story at a time with the aim to inspire and to celebrate this life-changing Sport and it's humans to real authentic raw and enjoyable conversations with humans of triathlon from around the globe and from all walks of life.Welcome humans of triathlon to another fantastic session of a humanist of triathlon podcast. And as you can imagine I am not swept Neil and swept Neil. This is not show up meal with a with a cold that has a deeper voice either. So, this is Charles Carlos AKA Charles honk who's taking over the the headquarters for today and I am in theBunny of the lovely Shayla tree Levin who is joining us from the east coast of Canada and today as usual. We have a fantastic guest. Okay, so the c word cancer, it has a way of affecting almost all of us in some way either through a parent partner friend a colleague, but what if it's you who has cancer? What then you fight you suffer you hopefully recover and then you hope to move forward losing the Newfound identity of the person who has cancer and become the person that you actually are our guest today has fought and beat cancer has moved forward and is no longer that guy with cancer. Although he hit several bumps along the way. Through the Jew his journey of recovery the support of his family and friends and the sport of triathlon. He has become stronger smarter better and is here to share his journey with us, please welcome from Stirling Scotland Jordy Graham. Hi there. Hi welcome Jordan. How are you feeling? It's a good nervous. But good. It's okay. So gaily the listeners they don't know but this is not live. So you should feel Very comfortable now. Mmm, you're allowed to I'm sure I'm sure he's any other go on right actually, so just to give you know, like a little Q so you can start giving us all that fantastic sort of story behind behind your your life. If you want we will usually do is we try to always it go back and we ask our guests to start from the very beginning from A childhood. How was it? How much were you involved in sports it? Is there anything you want to tell us about that? I was born in 1990 very very normal upbringing. Nothing really exciting now went to a small school called him Rubble primary. There are booking Scotland us create a sort of so what we call what's called a notorious a state full of Ruffians and Vagabond joy, that was really it was a pretty normal upbringing nothing. Nothing to Extreme the M20 High School. I played rugby there. It was fun but beavers and my family sort of all along the way my uncle. He's played for Scotland and he had quit selling things for Scotland. Yeah, so terms of sport a background in them. Yeah really sort of moved on from there and rugby to sort of always it was always in my family, but then when I finished high school sort of stopped start playing wrong Behavior Have the sort of the usual sort of teenage teenage years of going out drinking blah blah blah all those sort of things and magic and sort of watch my weary Sport and away and yeah just finger job done what everyone really does became a very sort of a very average person and then also has changed when I was 25 years old when I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. Fill us fill a small one-pump got a bit of a fright really sort of didn't know what to do left it a couple weeks, which really knowing you really shouldn't do that as well and still leave it and it just gets washed and washed and really really feel as your me. So I left for a couple weeks and realize that this isn't really going away even though I don't even know what it was if they my knew it wasn't really all that good. So So what exactly did you feel like you had you said you you said it was a lump. Where do you feel it? And how how was it strange? I was just it was something that was new. It was never there before. It was probably the size of sort of my thumbnail really it was just a rough and yeah, it was just a sort of a strange sort of that sort of thing where you know, you think you know what it is, but you don't know what you confront it because hmm. What else what else? Could it be sort of put it in the back online for a couple weeks. And then realize that didn't go away by itself and then got a doctor's appointment. Very told the doctor what was up? I've got an appointment very quickly walk through the door and know it's a woman the environment punishment over know what is about to happen. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, so don't know what's happened up on the table go through the sort of the embarrassment of that. Then the hard to get an ultrasound which was very very weird as you can imagine. Yes, very very odd and then a couple days later all this is all within a bit the space of probably will Big 10 days or something like that. Yeah, that's really quick. Yeah, really really quick. It was all sort of a huge sort of boy just got sort of it told what to do. Any little girl go here. I will see this person. Couple days later. I got my results back that it didn't really know exactly what they couldn't do a biopsy on it because if you go by option as a rescue could spread. Yeah. So I thought remember what the doctor said to me. That's because it's just three days before Christmas. Oh my God. Yeah. He said to me, I don't know what it is, but it's got to come out and say oh, okay, so that seemed sort of face after a sort of abrupt way. In it, so that's one is December 22nd. Roughly. I think and by the fourth of January, I have a surgery. Wow. I'm very quick. Yeah, really very quick in the city council can be quite aggressive something. So it sort of moves really quite clean. It can sort of it's got a very high survival rate, but it's quite aggressive. But but at that time you said that they said we don't know exactly what this is, but it has to come out. Out. Yeah, fortunately, they ever mention the wart answer to you or it's just like they kept it like that very generic very sort of genetic. I don't think the word cancer is about yours, but it was sort of suggested. That was okay. Yeah, that probably was in your mind. I would imagine that that it might be that it was a thing. We're sort of you knew you're always kind of knew what the end result was going to become. But you just wait to take you sort of what you so many take your hand and walk you through. Oh and tell you every single thing, but if you don't know I get that you just get a good told, you know move on in this next it and you just sort of have to deal with each step. You can stay and then try and carry on doing yeah, there's things I always I mean especially when you went that in the worst thing you can do in these cases is go to online and try to self-diagnostic it yourself, right? Because it always you say I have a pain In my head or cancer? Yeah, exactly a little scratchy here all no. No that's you're gonna die tomorrow. But come on. It's like impossible right don't know. Yeah, but I've worked in like stay that way from that. I didn't want to go and then turn it and just just type in what way it's a strange thing to do and it's it doesn't help you doesn't help anyone that situation. Yeah. So yeah a couple days later. I had had my surgery That was pretty spry awful. I think it was a sort of like a it's quite early on surgery. It was just like I thought I'll be gone for a couple days, but it was just like an idea sort of thing. I was in the morning out by the afternoon. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was very quick. It's not - do you have like for anesthesia was just local and I'll feel anesthesia put you sleep. Okay, but still you left the same day. Yeah. Yeah. I thought I was a bit strangely. Yeah. I thought it would have been. A couple days and apartments are very very routine thing in also also doesn't feel like that little thing but in yeah, it was just a straight in and out on a day. Yes, I woke up from the surgery. It's like crying as you a little why I just like to say, I don't think it wasn't it wasn't in any penis and I don't know what happened. Is that client? And then I had this overwhelming odds for apple juice. Okay, and then just kept asking for all again and then just kept asking for that whole just for you to use and then The ventricle board to me and I could leave this time instead of drawing code of him apple juice and I couldn't put my shoes on so if they're asking us for the for the shoes on for me which was quite embarrassing, but she helped me out and put my shoes on for me. Like I was an old man and I quite happily what sorry. Oh, no, go ahead. I was just going to say you did go through a surgery. I know it's it in and like they do it so quickly now like in in and out on the same day, but it's still quite traumatic and to wake up from anesthesia. Like everybody wakes up with such a different reaction. Yeah, so they're used to it and used to helping you even know it's hard for you especially as someone who came from my as a woman. I'm thinking of this as from a rugby kind of sporty background, you know, you're a young guy have this woman putting her shoes on for you. Yeah, it was a it was a it was a it was a little moment and minus t 1 minus t walk out of the hospital often tell people to another fuse. That's our walked out it sort of got in the way of my sort of recovery after I was end of it in that Fort that was me done. Everything's finished second in just carry on with whatever happens next in and I gotta lay off a couple weeks later. They tell me to go back to the hospital in because it's done tests. Unofficial that it removed and it comes it was interested. I cancel it was seems in a stage too thick so I can sort of sort of spread and in sort of just sort of stomach sort of area sort of that sort of that because it was sort of idea originally thought I was going to be stage one and that was going to be the end of it but apparently not and so they sort of suggested at that time that I would maybe this it said I might have to do chemo which is great also. Of not really committing to anything else like you, you know doctor you supposed to tell me what I'm supposed to do. I don't know so and I got sent through to operation. Scotland Glasgow is two beats in this Council child. Are they more ways to all the sort of chemotherapy for the whole weather West of Scotland Joy so went through the I spoke to my doctor and I would have to do chemotherapy like and at the time of its sort of I didn't really I didn't really realize what it meant. It was just a sort of like all you have to do chemo is all just sort of wandered at that point and you can really sort of do it and then push my girlfriend was with me as well. So sort of time you fighting with it as well. But inside I was like oh God, what would that do? So I remember I remember many ways on the couch right back. We're sort of just sitting talking about it. And I was I was trying to be so famous that I really wasn't the fungi that carry on the more it sent them on a sunken what was about to happen? And then I done the thing you shouldn't do as I went on Google and then that mean it all ten times wash. I don't know. Yeah, but in actually went in for Going for chemo on the on world Cancer Day actually, which was which quite a coincidence on okay and yeah, I sign. Okay. So yeah, I think so and and then just sort of like it was also that whole day was just a whole set our bar to me though. It was so nervous about what was happening and all the injections and everything happening. And all the machine or the we have been wonderful machines and the room and they had like got me a Domino's Pizza as well, which is very bad. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was going. And yeah, so my my chemo was in BP chemo city doctors for your Mason top aside and cisplatin are believers. And so I think that night so I was in the hospital for three days. Didn't sleep for the whole two days then wash for the whole three days. I was awful. Yeah, just because just because at night you can't really you can't really sort of concentrate on sleeping either because you're just sort of your more body of the bit anything else as well and you're sort of You just can't do anything because you're so tired. Nothing like even with have even when visitors come on. You can't really you can't really be bothered with people coming and it's it sounds awful and you see it. But at the time you just know you don't like talking on stuff like that. But yeah chemotherapy sort of went. Okay, I went okay for the most awful experience in my life. I suppose that in pretty much my whole my for the whole of the sort of it was seven weeks. I was doing chemotherapy seven weeks. Wow. Yeah, you just so what would happen if you go back to the hospital every week for a certain period of time or I would go and observe these two cycles in pretty much I would go in for the weekend. I will go through this out the Sunday and we come home and then the falling through Fridays. I would go in and get on injection and of cisplatin, which is really really sold by the way. I don't recommend There's really so you have to get it injecting a bomb as well, which is another degrees and experience. Yeah. Yeah, it's not fun. No. Yeah, it doesn't sound fun. But even with like the there was one one of the most is made a little mistake with me when I was get when I was getting the injection one Friday. Bye, so I went in the hospital equal and in the morning you get by kicking and then you go away for a couple hours to come back with your drugs and then actually get inject any but apart from what I gather that happened is a she injected at Street and in my bloodstream rather than in the muscle. Oh so rather than yeah. So rather than let me get a sort of slow drip over. I got a whole big dose either the drug, but I did. Then it didn't really start taking effect till I got home because as soon as I got the injection, I just went straight home and out with me. So I was just my dad dropped me off at my house. I just hadn't let us know sitting and I say sort of shaking uncontrollably and getting really really hot, but not sweating. In it was and then just my heart just going so so far. So happy for my dad and when they go to the hospital and talk about initially what happened is I found there in the horse the horse but they cancer hospital that I'm antsy line and it was in busy. So that was not helpful. So I just kind of just for my dad back in here take me to the hospital and and then my blood pressure just totally dropped it was that was that was fun. Weakest Point I've ever been in my life got up to go to the toilet and couldn't even find it energy 40 like squeeze your IP. It is the weakest I've ever been in my life. Oh God. Yeah. There's a that was probably the worst point a bit of the whole sort of experience of that. It was just not even having the energy for they go to the toilet hmm within without that obviously was a mistake of so whoever supplied. Yeah. The injection that day right? Yeah, I guess it was it was just it was an honest mistake these things happen that it was just that there's such a sort of a dark moment. Yeah for the whole sort of experientially sort of about three weeks and yet your hair starts to sort of fall out really which is quite an inside. I had quite a handsome-looking bill that the time. Hmm But I'd be I'd be like, right. I've been a sort of Ikeda enthusiasts of hearing loss for a couple years. So and we sort of came It was sort of common anyway, so it happens in almost all my friends came around and we all shaved my head. It was like it was a weird party can imagine. Yeah. Yeah, that was really sort of the whole sort of chemo thing there became at the end of it and everything was sort of famously everything that get was never for me for me the whole cancer thing. It was never it was never like this. Of sense and they're like, oh this is this is going to kill you. It's just you have to get them just sort of you have to get through this and everything will be fine. So it and that respect my story is but a good one, unfortunately for other people. It's just not it's not people. I'm not lucky. Yeah. So in the end what you were you had or was the lump that you got discovered very quickly and they decided to remove the they told you unfortunately three days before Christmas like not the best timing. Yeah, and then at least I gave you some time. Into to celebrate New Years and then they put you on the operating table. Yeah, but then they call you back to have likes it like seven weeks. Was it or of chemotherapy? Yeah, seven weeks. I think it was yeah. Yeah, including one wrong injection, which got you to your lowest point ever. Yeah, but and how long ago was this I finished in must have been March 2016. I think it was okay looking for March. I think my last day of chemo was Okay, and that was it and that was over with still have to go back for them checkups every now and again and you've been clear ever since so far. Yeah, it's been cleared of a sense that sort of like it's a five-year survival rate if if you reach five years and gonna survive or more or less. There's no there's a very slim chance will come at will come back but it's a very very some I think it's like a and b that two percent chance it will come back. So it still doesn't sort of take away the whole sort of this the fear of it me. Yeah come back, but that sort of I'm sort of overall that no, it's just if it happens. It happens. It's one of those things and let me know. I don't think any of course. Yeah. Three percents pretty pretty small and yeah, exactly reassuring you know, yeah, I think there's more chance of me getting cancer from the drugs that they gave me the chemo drugs then actually getting thicker cancel again. I hesitate crazy the stuff we put in our body to get rid of the other things upon Italy I put poison into yeah exactly get the poison out right finally in because because the drugs are given I will Will almost definitely get high blood pressure when I'm older which is which is something to look forward to I suppose. Yeah. Yeah, I don't wanna study for something where you guys were University in the approached me and asked me when I was in the hospital for a take part in the study. It's funny try and stop this because they can't you don't really know how it how it works that you will people who do BP chemo. Whoa, get high blood pressure when they're older, okay? And I don't know the results of I just got some blood taken really not worth it. I thought what's up blood taken in once every two weeks honestly so much. Yeah, every three weeks. That sounds like a lot of yaps the biggest needle. Yeah, and yeah, that was standard. I'm not I don't know what results or anything like that. But yeah, hopefully it does help at some point. Okay interesting, but he said he time into a horrible story The seems that no one's to to hear that see Let award or go through that horrendous poison in experience. But yeah, at least you came out of it clean Stronger Yeah, and then somehow you you fell in love with the beautiful sport of triathlon. Yes. Yes that yes. Can you tell us a little bit about that? So when did it happen? Yeah, it did was it like short after you came out of this nightmare? Or did it have anything to do to with that? So can you tell us a little bit about that? How do you start with that? I can't even really remember off the top of my head. What just made me decide that yes, I will do Triathlon. It was sort of I read a book a couple years ago called in operation Iron Man. It's by a guy called George my hood and he other he had a tumor on his spine had the Sajid a court date and then done an iron mine for months after it. So that was always sort of it's sort of been a those a well that's incredible that people actually do and then one day I was just I was pretty or not but when the and then I came across out Triathlon Time video and then who am I judging just inspires grow up your critical Triathlon and just like yeah, I'm going to have a Bosch. In it was my sort of. It was it was my sort of little My Little John need to be normal again to be me. They won't be Jordan the guy that had cancer and sort of forest. Stop sort of people give me that see that little smile that you get that people give you in something awful's happened to you. That's sort of what we move the little Grand. I don't know like I don't like that Gren. So it was sort of that was just a neat idea to be a little bit different as well. Hmm. And yeah that was sort of how I have iPhone Triathlon and it was really sort of no structure to it. I thought it was just um, I'll do a triathlon next year. So there was there's a there's a Triathlon Club in my town. They have the whole the chart on every year spent money, so, I don't know. That got to the end sort of a wand and then two weeks later done Windsor a triathlon in which is sort of down near London. Yeah. That was that was that was a really fun when I remember it being it's tight and I don't remember getting up everyone so early and my life. It was such a short time. Did you end up having to get up in the morning? I got up. Yeah and then So for some food down myself just because even though I was so nervous and because this was sort of this was like my big race was if you like. Oh, yeah, so just try Force fit down in in trying wait my girlfriend up which most likely most likely for her was also shocked to wake up that early yeah very much. So she's pretending to be happy for me that time it was such an effort for the probably thinking you're a little crazy. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah, I really am. The ones which are from was amazing. It's you know, I was one of the best experiences of my life. It was just it was so good. It was such a big event. I didn't know it was such a huge event as well like own so many people when you get to just I just like looking at all the different equipment if people have is all the different bikes and just do it interesting people and the swim was I really enjoyed this film the swimmers and the teams and it was just so good and it was my first time swimming in a way. It's a and it just it just you just file on don't you so much. Easier. Oh, yes low you put that on in here right on the top of the water. Yeah, I think of to two minutes of my PB on the swim hang out with more out of excitement as well. Just get the whole sort of excitement of the whole day is just a just go fast, but that's what I came back to bite me when I went on the run the Run didn't go as well as I'd hoped apparently when Zoe's quite heavily. Yeah those that was my first sort of 2m triathlons at year now thought I thought like I thought to myself why that I have that I have this us that that's me. I'm actually I think they yeah it's all and then what what sort of distance were this triathlons and they were both spec doesn't good spread. This has yeah. Okay. That's a good way to start. Yeah. That was just what sort of start and really and yeah. So the next year it would be last year. I signed up for three just thinking that that would be easy. Brother brother elegantly thought I had it all the old stuff and I didn't so went to the my first race last year. It was pouring with rain at all. Oh god well in Scotland, so it rains all the time knowing that Yes, actually. Yeah, and so that's one was in strathclyde park in I think it was just after European Championship so we could run Nick's on the court that Of that course anyway, at least okay and got already called the for I went into the water didn't really eat enough before that. Ya got any the water and just sort of shopped feeling of hmm of your breasts getting taken away from you. Yep. Yeah. There's that awful feeling as soon as I got in the war. I saw a new like, oh this isn't going to go to find when the gun went off in the swim got about a hundred meters in Islam and just stopped. I don't know. Happened. I just had to stop for one second and just take a moment. And I don't even know I stopped I sort of looking know what happened. It was just my confidence went I don't know why I just got inside my head and it was just this is just it's just a tragic experience just now and then yeah, so sort of got for the swim personally or for the swim. Really persevered for the bake and and the Run was the worst one I've ever done. I think my 5K Tang was like it was 40 minutes or something. Like that was something awful at the end of that is I realized that um our front of the front brake of my bag was stolen just ever so slightly through the hole. So it does pay for the look at your bank before you actually go my God. Yeah that makes the ride like so much harder. I Believe you did that. Yeah, you like you finished the whole race with that break and yeah, it wasn't the end of just kicking myself. So it was hard already and they were going to do that. Then my second race sort of didn't even I didn't get the registration. It was supposed to be the walked a triathlon drove up. I was about and comes out to I'll drive for they get there. And didn't even have the ball for the get your registration just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. I don't know what it was. Just everything got that of me. Really? Yeah, I mean this what's this? What's your fourth Triathlon? Yes, it is say now you've already been you've done it. You've managed like crazy things in your races and something not even you cannot get to the registration. Yeah, I think and then in the middle of those two races I change job. Aim of I'm a chef and it was okay nice. And as I said, I didn't want to do it anymore because it wasn't really sort of a healthy sort of it's not a healthy profession for your soul your whole mental health really and then sort of yeah, and and then I changed my job became real estate agent, which I was truly awful that I don't know. It was what it was the first job I got offer than I thought. Yeah, I could do that. I thought we can't do it. That's a stressful occupation as well. Right? Yeah, especially when you have no idea what you're doing as well and it's all commission based. So it's normally not really so much in Britain really it sort of you guess how many? Okay. I was just about to smoke immediately. So I hang out so I managed to get a job because it was just like I might have been or gas that comes out for the interview and and then I about I was six weeks at that job and my granddad died of throat cancer. Oh, oh, yeah. So left work went to the hospice did what we had to the hospice and then I went back to work on the Monday and got told that because I left I know wonder what the oh my God. Yeah. Oh that that's horrible. I know and so that we hang out was mostly the reason like my head just wasn't the right place for the for the locked a triathlon. Yeah, of course. Yes to that thing. That's more more you doing anything else really? Well you had a lot to deal with I mean your grandfather passed from cancer, which you had just recently been fighting yourself. Yeah, you switched professions altogether and hopes. My understanding is that You know, it'd be better for your your mental well-being and your mental health and then you you leave which any person should be able to do to go, you know to your family member at that point in time and then you come back and they tell you that because you left to go do that. You can't have your job anymore. Yeah, exactly. I don't know how like I can understand why maybe you didn't make it to that registration desk. Yeah, you know, so yeah that sort of happened down there and then it's all I had More bricks to do it was and people were just sort of wander but more or less the border between Scotland and England and this time I was sort of I was more determined for it. So for it do it and that's done that to be certain the best race I've ever had. I don't I did a lot more sort of more weights weight training in my training and I just felt so much stronger and erase. I felt so much bear. I was fostered the pill which was quite which was quite a big achievement. I'd done the whole run without stopping which is a first for me awesome. Yeah, and even though my time wasn't even stole that great. I think it was I spent out Stellar Spectra that so I think it was like an O'er and O'er in theory, but even then it was still my best race. So that was that was a really big moment for me. Yeah that always feels amazing. I whenever you have a PV at the theme is always sad. Sort of feeling. Yeah. Yeah, we get it. Yeah, and then other side the offer that I would sort of I wouldn't do any this year. I would stop I would start for the issuance of work on it. What are some issues that had gone on my head sort of thing from the last few years or so, I've developed a lots of anxiety. So don't like you've suddenly anything specific but just did sort of sort of antsy and everything like that really struggling to sleep at night and becoming quite sort of Quit so that angry well anything and that wasn't me. That was one of my main reasons for sure. We've in the kitchen as well was that obviously I wasn't really sort of being a nice person to work with really it was it was it was just awful really it was sort of a pretty it was a pretty sort of dark realization. It was like, well, I'm not really all that. Nice. What do you what do you think this this sort of all other least? Dr. Jackie? Mr. Hyde said of sight of you came out. Yeah, that's what it was. I don't know even really cause that was just sort of I think it was the sort of the high pressure of the job. And so of all the all the anxieties from like the last two three years old sort of coming out at one time because it sort of took me a few years for the get to the point where I was like, well I could realize what had happened what just happened in it. Yeah, because everything was such a huge rush of just all you've got cancer. No do that Snowden Roo Triathlon. And then that's yeah and hey and then when you stop yeah and then like when you stopped like whoa, whoa, did you finally realize what sort of what happened to be in what what you've been through and that's what that was. What I imagine is what caused it all and I went to the doctors for this sort of speak to them. And I was I was very sure that wasn't gonna go down the whole sort of like just take your Starbucks novel fix it because I was very Area where it was happening, so I don't really need tablets or what. I'm always quite self aware of of myself my mood until I sort of reacting other people who other people react to me mostly. And so I have to sort of pretty much what you just said don't have a think about what to do what to do in my life and what to do with all in sort of own faults. Yeah. Hmm. And as far as far as I know everything's gone quite well, I managed to find on our job and back and I'm back in the kitchen, but as I sort of it's not a bit an environment there was a bit hard. I get to work four days a week. I finish it 5:30 at night. So I've got a lot more sort of taking it to myself now if it's bending my girlfriend and my family and all that so makes it makes life a lot easier. All right, I sold in the job. I'm still doing the job but I love but I get more time to do things because I'm sort of I'm sort of person I find myself myself off and my job always need to be good at yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Sure. So now as your girlfriend been with you, Through all the cancers is the same girlfriend from when you were diagnosed. Yeah, we've been together for seven years. That's a long time. Yeah, as long as it I'm gonna ask you if you're going to ask her to marry her at any time or if you have already know yet. Yeah, you're probably not going to answer that are you don't tell her? About the podcast yet Dad. How are ya dice? Oh, yeah, she's pissed. She's been there and you talked about how you know, you kind of went through the Jekyll and Hyde period and you know, she's been there through that. How how is she handled, you know, your illness and your recovery and and finding your way forward. She's always been massive with supportive of everything I do is no matter what and she's always been there for me. She's she's sort of the one thing that's always there. She's always she's she's a massive part of my life. She's been with the biggest part of my life. She's full twist and what she does and she's always she's always there for me. No matter what it's important. Actually ECC. Okay, if you let her listen to the podcast, it's okay. This we find. Yeah. You just said that like she's gonna be like, so happy. Yeah. Well wasn't it out but in the not so that was all they are still that's right, right. She sounds like a keeper to me. She has been watching. Yeah, now that she trained with you at all. Is she like ride a bike with you or train for a triathlon or she's been doing CrossFit for about four years? Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't I don't know a couple things. It is the hardest thing in the world. I can't move my arms falling two weeks after it was so so I was so sore. But she I managed to convince her it to to triathlons and and she done people's with me last year and she finished first and off he went she was really the power. Yeah. I was just I was just waiting at the end was up. Is that just you just see it off in the distance like run faster and then it was incredible. You better watch out. Yeah. Yeah, she's she's incredible. She she does so many things as well. She just tried to hand it like so so many different things. She's thin. She's training just never do like a physique competition as well. So she's at the gym wait 5-6 times a week ago, which puts me matter. What a shame. Yeah. I am that CrossFit is incredible. I tried it. I did a little bit for a while when I got back into sports after having kids and just to try to get some strength back. And it's this tough. Yeah, it's so exhausting, isn't it? Yeah, it is it take to go and do like what a hundred pull-ups and three hundred squats have Mike run a mile and run another mile. Like how do you do that all and how and you have to do it all fast because you're trying to get a time and do all of it. It's like no wonder those girls. Look the way they look like just incredible. Yeah is incredible. See the seen you watch like the CrossFit Games is how did people do that? Yes. Yes just huge. I watch that. We watch it all the time on Netflix like whenever there. Who said New World Championships come out of the CrossFit Games come out we like all right, let's watch because it's so amazing. Yeah, and then they they they say, you know, the triathletes are the crazy people because we spend so much time like swimming biking running waking up at 5 in the morning every day and missing everything and suddenly you have these people who go to your you understand right? So we do this because there's always the three all maybe of the of being on the outdoors water very beautiful background. Or being on the speed on the bike or the community the race sort of feeling but then you have this the crossfitters who are suffering like hell like as if you are in a military boot camp and you are inside. I hope you do this all the time inside a very stuffy windowless place and just like going crazy like oh up up all within a time, right? So yeah, we're not the only crazy one. Correct, but that's that's that's you know, it's so important that's important to you know, that she's there. I'm not only supporting through you through all your things but she's also athletic so she has that understanding, you know of you wanting to do those things as well. Yeah. She's really supportive and bike a couple my spike in she was she's put up with all the basic parts that around the kitchen table and the baker still set in the kitchen kitchen just now if we if we is an absolute mess, but my bait looks so pretty and I'm so proud of it because its main I understand mine is mine is set up. I have mine in my living room and then I don't want to be down in the basement on my trainer. So I have the trainer up there, too. I've managed to set up a little pinky for myself and there's a whole big deal. That's my other. So I've got my Turbo chain on stuff like that in there and that's much smaller all my own little space. I can have no get no girls allowed. No girls allowed. That's all right. Hey, I am I looked at some of your pictures. Hmm, and I'm always fascinated. So I always like to ask about the tattoos that you have. Have because generally they tell a story of some sort and you have quite a few. So can you talk a little bit about your tattoos? And if any of them have meaning or none of mine have any meaning at all when fortunately I don't have any. Yeah, I don't have any sort of deep profound thing. I just out. I like them. That was it. That's okay. It started off just getting a few quarter sleeve and then before I knew it I was absolutely covered. Yeah, that was Surya is I'm sort of I've got my legs to do apart from our thing. I said that's fun and sort of is too painful and to experiencing them. Yeah before I could like well when I was a lot younger I could sit through like six hours are getting tattooed know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm tapping out already. Yeah, I have a the gentleman that Cycles with us now recently and he has lots of tattoos here and I was asking him this on our ride on Sunday. Yeah about his tattoos, and he said the same thing he doesn't really have I have none of them really have a real meaning except for one and it's the name of his cat that had passed away. But it had they had made a mistake on writing is the cat's name is Madison, but they put a why in the name instead of a nice because now it looks like a stripper on my hand. He's like it's like yeah, so it was it was pretty funny, but he said the same thing he just really likes. He just you know, he got some tattoos enjoyed keep wanted more. He has a friend that does them so he actually trades they make trades his friend does the tattoos and he will he said he helped build a motorcycle for him or he design suits and shirts and things so, you know, we might do that. So maybe that's a way to well wish I could treat that is just let me quite good. I'm cooking. Yeah one one thing with mass I would like to do as a ladies get my throat tattooed if I know Hottie work again, I will get my throat started but unfortunately it wasn't that's the one thing I would do if I won the lottery or if I came in in millions of pounds. That's the first thing I want to do a job and get a thought that dude, huh? I just think it looks so nice interesting that there but you like you can sort of on the rescue look like a thug don't you know, I do you think do you think that you could get it done? You could not work in the kitchen anymore. I think it's more accepted than kitchens, but I think if I I've I've done dead want to change career. It's always that sort of what else. Oh, yeah, if I wanted to die anymore, it would be fined for us. I don't think my girlfriend with the too happy about it. But I mentioned whenever I mention that she has all schedule one of these of course. Yeah, probably I might to anywhere else anywhere else is one of our life. They were Choice really isn't. Yeah exactly and I wanted to ask you something. I guess you say that. We see this just to ask a little bit more about these chefs or whole thing. So what sort of food do you usually cook? So what sort of kitchen you work at? So can you tell us a little bit about that? I've mostly sort of what than just sort of steakhouses sort of things. So I'm quite simple for the likes of I just like quick simple. So a frigid frigid mom could make that sort of thing that makes people happy looking at yeah. Yeah, it makes triplets brings people happiness. That's why I like I like seeing people eat. My food and likes me. A on the face rather than sort of deconstruct it and sort of wondering what it is for an angle of making it something it's not I like that that you know, what because that's like it really is. It's a comfort right? It's a comfort food at something that you know, you're going to go and if someone does the steak or the the roast beef in the potatoes just right. It's like you've had the best meal ever. Yeah, that's the thing because it's so slow. Influence of you can't it's so sort of easy to miss that off as well. So you have to be really good at it. So see like even just you can just boil an egg. It's such a simple thing that if anything goes wrong, that's it messed up and even some simple as ice take everyone knows how they like the steak Cooks off you mess up then that's it. You've ruined that there aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whoo. Yeah, so we have a way of keeping it simple, but also being good at my job as well. Exactly. He said Actually, he also helps that the Scottish beef is he's pretty well these worldwide famous, right? So, yes, incredible. Definitely. Yeah. Well, I'd like to go visit Scotland at some point. So it sounds like the food I kind of like to eat. What would you say if I guess no I haven't tried. I guess you haven't heard now. So for people that don't know what haggis is. Can you explain? What that is for people who are listening sort of sort of oats and Spacey's all sort of wrapped up in a sheep's stomach. Okay, and then again against boiled it sort of and the same way of let ya know. It sounds delicious doesn't it sounded a little sarcastic Charles was a maybe but yeah, it doesn't it doesn't sound that feeling that doesn't even wake up feeling but it does taste amazing. Well to be fair. I mean, I love I love Are you calling on the only full English breakfast you have like the black pudding right and the black pudding if you explain exactly what it is. Do you may have a similar situation but I love it. So yeah, what wouldn't I guess of kin are more or less the same thing. There you go. Well, then I you know what you made it sound like you were very truthful that it doesn't look good, but it tastes good. Yeah, so I would be very open to giving that a try. Understood it was a weird sort of story about Canada and haggis. If you live in Canada doing it idea. Yeah. So apparently will in an America haggis is illegal because it's called sheeps lumps in it or something like that and they used to stay in sort of smuggled across the border from Canada. They used to getting delivered in Scotland to Canada. Then smuggled across the border. Well, yeah because you're not allowed to bring like meat eat or animal products or fresh fruit from Canada to the US. Yeah. So used to be hiking smuggles. That's right a job because I bet I can our East Coast we like the like, I'm in the Toronto type area Niagara, but if you go to the east coast, you know, there's a lot more of the influence from From Ireland and Scotland and England on that side and there is as the further you move west. So they probably I'm sure they have that there. I have to ask my colleagues at work you get me been wanting. Yeah. All right. It's been a very pleasant conversation so far. Yeah lot of topic that I actually a lot of topics we've discussed today. Yeah, and you've had no issues talking you are. Some exactly. Yeah, that would have been awful. No, no, well done. Yeah, thank hold on. You also might have the advanced layout Cosmo sort of a book by a thick Scottish accent, but I think I'm doing okay. I'm really I'm really trying and nuncio my world so you know what I said to my daughter before we started I said, oh, I hope that I can understand his accent. Okay, and she's like puppies from Scotland not from like I know but sometimes like like it dip dip any of the islands like I learn Ireland or Scotland or you know, England some some areas have stronger accents than others, right? Yeah. See some of the north of Scotland I can understand what you say is honestly, it's awful. Yeah, seeing like unlike Aberdeen and Vanessa the video the speaker totally different language up there. It's sort of it's sort of English, but then it's also just like Pella gibberish sort of thrown in it's always says so bad. Yeah I can imagine. I mean I went to Edinburgh like in March and I was fine the okay II get you guys. Yeah, it was quite a sort of General accent. No, isn't it? Yeah. So we Faria it's a good it's a good doctors accent. I think it's quite nice quite close. It's quite soft and it's quite soft and they say I think easy to listen to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely and not only that just from the Side of things sometimes I really nice accent just adds to the whole package. Yeah. So have they got guys out there take note. That's right pick an accent if you have to be so many awful Scottish accents and that's right. So just going to ask you we have a few questions for usually ask at the end of of our podcast with our guests. And and you know, what message would you want people listening to the podcast today to take away from your story just do what you can do to sort of it. That's that's really my sort of my whole sort of ethos is the only thing you can do is do what you can do. Yeah, even if it's like you can't do much train and you can't do much of that but You just just do anything anything's better than nothing. It's true need. Yeah, it's true. And you know, you're definitely an example especially like three weeks out from chemotherapy or your back, you know, trying to live your life. Yeah. Okay want to and are there any people or brand so you like to give a shout-out to the other thing obviously just like my family and all my friends then Jamie Danny Robbie, well, well hers there's a massive influx. Well lives in Australia and he came to school when I was in high school and he's so light and physically dominant or brother and I just sort of so, I wish I could have spoke to know that more because we don't have the opportunity for Lee sit down and sort of speak about everything that happened to me over the last few years. Just that opportunity never arose. I saw Joey motion video. I'm quite envious of his life is very very idyllic life comes in different forms in the sort of rainforest the area on the East Coast of Australia and it's just a beautiful place. And of course mark, my girlfriend Lisa who's always been there to support me and I'm little baby Ruby as well. And whose baby Ruby and that's what stuff those one. Ah, yeah. See your old super cute. Yeah, probably loves her Uncle Jordan. Oh, she'll love them. Yeah, she wants she knows where to go. She knows how to manipulate. Yeah, exactly. So before we ask our very last question, can you tell everybody listening where they can find you online? Probably the best one. That's a drum Jordy Graham. And that's it. That's all you do is sort of social media presence that I have. Okay. Well and like just like Sheila said this question, no one can escape from if you come to the podcast so mr. Jordan, why do you try honestly? I don't know. Okay. I honestly do not know why either I just I just do it because It's because I thought might not be the answer that you're looking for, but I don't actually do not know. Why idea that keeps drawing me back all the time. It's difficult. It's time-consuming, but keep keep doing it. And you know what? There's no particular answer that we're looking for because everybody has a different reason for doing things and sometimes it takes a while for us to figure out what that reason is. And yeah, you know if you love it and it's a challenge for you. You do what? Like I said, you just do what you can do and do what you want. All right. Thank you very much Jordan for today. I think it was a pleasure to have you on and to hear your story and Applause Ava an honor to be able to share it now with that with all of the listeners out there and thanks for watching. I have never enjoyed it. Thank you and to the listeners, I mean, we're sorry that our supreme leader was not able to make it today. Yeah, so I Next the next podcast. You should hear something else soothing voice back. So worry not that's right. Thanks for listening everyone. Thanks for being a part of this humans of triathlon Community. Hope you're enjoying the show and I love the content. Make sure to join us again next week here on the hot podcast where we'll bring you another amazing guest and story from this Audrey, but extra Audrey world of triathlon until then everyone keep trying.

Our guest this week, Jordan Graham beat cancer. After his recovery from surgery and chemotherapy, he wanted to prove to himself that he was better and stronger, he wanted to distance himself from just being 'the guy that had cancer'. He saw Triathlon as a way to do so. A year out from chemo, he completed 2 Triathlons in 2 weeks and was extremely proud. The following year, it started to go all wrong for him. In his rush to become "normal", back to work and training only 3 weeks out of chemo proved to be too much. In his second season of racing, he almost dropped out of one race and didn't even make it to another as his nerves for the better of him. He then decided to take a step away from Triathlon to work on his demons and come out a stronger and better person. He is now back to training and slowly but surely becoming a triathlete again. - SUBSCRIBE, RATE & REVIEW: if you've enjoyed the show, it would mean a lot to us if you could leave the show a positive review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. It would help us out a ton! - FEEDBACK: to help us improve the show going forward, please take 5 minutes to share your anonymous and honest feedback here - http://bit.ly/hotpodcastsurvey - H.O.T SOCIAL MEDIA: Instagram | Facebook | Strava | Website - HOSTS: Swapneel Chouhan, Sheila Treleaven, & Carlos (Charles) Galan - INTRO/OUTRO MUSIC: produced by Vasil Zguri at SoundPulse

Hello and welcome to the third episode of sleepy computer. We're kind of hitting our stride now. Yeah, I think we're really getting a feel for the text and I think the computer is as well. So for this one we thought maybe we'd have a go at something with a bit more suspense and hopefully a bit less Bloodshed. I thought we'd go for a heist story. I think like Excel when I think haste I'm thinking high-octane High drama sexy. It might be sexy. We don't know. I'm not sure what understanding of sexy the machine. Has I guess we'll have to find out. Okay, so we'll generate ourselves in a i Heist story and see how we get on. His name was James Cogswell. He was a career Criminal Who was now good. He had serious money troubles and an extended network of criminal Friends James Caldwell began his career as a Salesman with what we here in New York call farming. We buy the seeds we cut ourselves and we make it grow with some fertilizer chemicals. He was able to cultivate over 50 plants per month on one small land site of high quality cannabis this began his spiral into the crime. Can I mean does that meet the definition of farming? Well, I know this because I'm from from a farming town and you do cut yourself. It's an important part. I mean, how can you expect the plan to sacrifice itself? If you're not going to sacrifice yourself James was born on November the 14th 1927 in Richmond, Kentucky the daughter of Joseph Cogswell a lawyer in Virginia and Margie ironmen a nurse in Arkansas. He opened his heart to one woman. Sally who had never lived in prison or been arrested because the police saw her as a minor. Oh, oh. Oh no. Oh no. Oh, no, he's a minor. That's that's concerning. Well, maybe she wasn't a minor when they met. Um, she was aged only 19 at the time and although that fact was the primary factor James was between 20 and 30 in many ways. She was extremely bright. She didn't know about his history. Although he gave her Two and a half hours in which to ask any questions, which she needed an answer to she mainly asked about food about music and literature and whether the nearest coffee place could be he never allowed it to ask anything else though for her questions were too intrusive. Um, that's a red flag. Madhu did I think it's I think that's pretty standard practice in a new relationship to just give the other person a fixed time window to ask any questions about your past. And and if they don't think of anything important to ask they can Who asked you a question about your past again? If I may say she did shit the bed that she has like terrible question. I think my first question would be are you a serial killer or a criminal or criminal? Right and I feel as though she probably should have asked are you a criminal seeing how this is going? She also didn't know about that money troubles or how much he owed that landlord who was one time the son of the chief superintendent. He kept it from her. Which wasn't as distasteful after the previous year's secret. That's how it works one secret per year. You're allowed to keep from your spouse. It's like Christmas, but awful. He never told her that he lived with a prostitute every so often or that he was one of four Partners who each paid one or two thousand Pounds into a giant Bank of cocaine and prostitution. One thing was certain there James refused to give her a reason not to marry into his family family. Yeah. James stumbled down the stairs and picked up the letters by the front door. He flip them over and read them aloud to himself dear sir. You are with money and you're making us look stupid by not giving it to us. We're going to have to get rid of you. If you don't get it to us before we do. It's just a matter of time. I cannot tell you how intimidate I would be to receive a letter from Kermit the frog Kermit the Frog here get us the money or world. Break your legs. James said oh my God. What am I going to do? I owe two thousand pounds to my landlord and I don't know what to do about it. I also 1000-pound to the bank and also to the car. I've got to find a way to get out of these bad financial circumstances. He didn't have the courage to tell Sally why he was going down the dark and lonely path, but he could do this little thing to save her and her family from his financial troubles. The money was worth dying. And to receive and he had a plan to get it. He could connect his old best friend George and beg him to help him get in contact with the old crew. They just needed to pull off one last job one last trick on the job to get some cash into James's pocket. James is old school teacher had once given the young man a few tricks on how to pull off the scam and he had never forgot that lesson the first trick he learned was how to use a telephone to ring the people who had a hand in a large debt. He was about to go to jail for and then get them to hand over. Over the money without a word of complaint by using his powers of persuasion and the second trick was what is old school teacher called The Bounty game. I hope this is like a game where you can seal chocolates on your person is the coconut by your upper thigh is my guest in this Con you got someone a person with the powers to give people false news information that is a hundred times worse than lies. And you would get them all together and tell them all one day that they were getting robbed in a bank as a result of all the bad press the bank was getting the huge insurance company would be filing a large amount of money and he could borrow it to pay the debts. I mean I am following the scam is is the AI giving us ideas. This was a classic pnl in your purse scheme. If one could only get it against people you could be confident that you wouldn't lose a bit. Yes a p&l in your purse key. I'm a big fan of it following a lot of the panel in your purse schemes are well aware. One of my favorite genres of financial crime. He got through to George and asked him whether his parents knew about this scam because he wanted to use it again on others and George's parents were all well-known and Rich citizens. They were quite knowledgeable. This stuff George was quick to put this into the mix Jim herb or you're the best chance of making my parents believe anything. I've seen all you talked about in public and the way you talked with people shows you're capable of dealing with it. Even if we do some very nasty crap that might come from you. Maybe we should make some big bad decisions, but I think we don't have to make a big problem with it because we know we're all in this. One thing together James. I know you're in money problems. You haven't been able to get it from your parents for years. I understand the difficulty of it and I think you've got to go big and get it back. James was surprised by his friends suggestion. George was usually very light-hearted with his friends. But James was not he detected a certain contempt in his friends tone and it was hard not to feel sympathy for George. George had always been a good friend to James. And he was very hard-working James considered him one of the best lawyers that Britain ever produced. I did not know he was British James considered one of the best lawyers that Britain ever produced even though he was actually a pretty bad lawyer. It seems so unlikely that in the middle of the year that George would suggest a huge emergency scam, but I guess everyone will have their way even George. I haven't spoken a whole word with you in 20 years and you aren't very funny when I do. But why you said tonight really does shocked me. I completely agree. The emergency scam the whole mess will probably make millions. I'm really excited really sad and nervous about going to bed in case this doesn't happen George agreed that they shouldn't go to bed because their business may be worth a ton of money and they should spend the night thinking about how this is a terrible idea and coming up with a better scam James ordered some coffee to break up any border man as George if he wanted. More coffee so that they were both able to keep their minds in their hats and focus all of this stuff on their business. Sure. I think it would help I can also order a pizza. It should be delicious James was totally into that a big pizza for this Layton was exactly what he needed to get through today a perfect pie to eat to remind themselves. How much of their energy they were wasting on this bullshit. James asked George which toppings might be good as well as Kind of sources. They want George decided that maybe the crust should have the word greed all over it. And as to which topics there were James read out the list. You can choose from cheese Parmesan hot chocolate Red Onion tomato sauce pepper jelly beans cream cream sauces peanut has heart wings or hot potato pretty standard list of topics. I mean, that's what you find in any Pizza Express. George was disappointed. That's just too cheesy. He thought and doesn't even cover his Meats, especially those red inclusions. He sighed and made his own. Can I have the meat for the pizza in extra heavy white fat instead? Also, let me use the pizza topping as dipping vessel. Also. Can I get salad for my dessert? I also need to stop the carbs and carbs is so over my head with pizza. I mean, it's pretty normal to ask feel meat to be sort of surrounded by extra heavy white fat. Well, I just know that I usually use the dipping the top. Popping as as a dipping vessel. That's it to me. Just put on my topic in the middle, please and I'll dip the pizza into it just like it's a fondue ever so lightly just dip James was a bit embarrassed, but accepted and agreed to these conditions and phone the nearest pizza place John John Pizza Bar and Kitchen. Maybe he's cousins with Wayne Wayne. Their tagline was Delight your cheese pecs in any Source you want. So obviously they were pretty big on toppings. They when I free to get on with that day planning the heist James told John John on the phone about it and then told him not to tell the police and to have fun. Why has he told the pizza delivery guy? I don't know George and John agreed on one thing about the plan. It must be very very hot. They both wanted an even share of the profits. And what would the cops and lawyers think of it? Well, they could make a lot of noise about what he did and why he did it but really all they could do is wait for him. To do the crime they needed to select a Target George had suggested the most lucrative one. So the cops would be afraid of it. The National Grid the country's electrical generator. He liked the idea of stealing all the National Power in one operation. It wasn't cheap, but it would make them feel powerful and confident James wasn't sure how to fit it in there 2004 Volvo. So George suggest getting an Audi, but James wasn't sure he was getting the point. George why don't we target the whole country in one move by infiltrating the government and just do a very simple one we could break into the Department of Transportation and steal their power source. We'd get a fortune and we'd be free to drive four weeks in front of everyone else without being stopped or arrested George couldn't believe the unbelievable thing a bit of a His brain couldn't believe it his head was so full with all these theories. He was ready to throw up his hands and say he was going to sleep. I'm going to sleep. But the more he thought about it the more he saw a lot of potential it felt as if the world wanted him and they didn't like him being a little freaked out James had a twinkle in his eye the whole time and the moment he saw his first Target the federal government in his mind everything exploded into high gear. With the most important department cripple to the very core the country would only be able to look on with disbelief as he drove around the nation trying to destroy these big things to bring him lots of money James and George would need a crew to go undercover and be a double assassin order to open the door. One of them would have to go to the Department of Transport by taking the train to go to Washington D D. They'd also need to recruit a new hit man that hired because he'd been to the Pentagon before and wanted to do what he did best. They planted it. To a car in the hotel suite with a lot of money hidden inside a pocket big groan Keys plus plenty of drugs the whole gang headed in through the basement of the hotel as George and James started putting on a very loud mask they had flown in from the UK. It was an incredibly dramatic thing everybody thought but it was well better than having to be killed. Now what I also like about this story is the fact that you know, usually like in a lot of high stories that go through that flashy opening where they're like, this is like, Like the Codebreaker and this is the what's your mother who's in he does he flicks switches, but here they're just like they have the gang it's already ready. Don't worry about don't worry about and ask questions about the gang like everyone's got a job to do or sorted. Don't worry. Don't ask they died at the end. Yeah, maybe maybe they all piled into the suite and found a bed under glass which had two people inside sleeping and wearing nothing but clothes from clothes shopping. So they thought they would try and find another room this time there. Able to talk through the details of the plan without being disturbed by others in the room or the screaming James called out to the ragtag crowd that were already here. Okay. Let's go through the plan for getting out of this hotel and stealing some gold jewelry or some diamonds or something everyone get out your watch and get ready because there's some type of crime or some icky event to do he started to laugh and laugh maniacally pointing to one girl that looked like like they are about to vomit on one hand and bending his knees as far apart from everybody as possible. Everyone else started laughing out loud and moving about in circles with George being the only exception to go to the bathroom and wipe his forehead. It was nearly five a.m. Everyone was tired to their teeth, but it was time to get to work. And that's the end of the first part. I mean, I mean, I'm tired to my teeth of reading it my teeth have fallen out. So it's I think there's less Exposition than normal. Like we've just gone with it. They're meeting together as you say, we've met like two characters total, right but that's but it's Vivid. Like I know what they're gonna do. There's a plan there's a there's a there's a heist underway and you know what? I like the fact that neither of them are like Heroes of the story like in Ocean's Eleven, you have George Clooney who's like kind of the like you want it you're rooting for him. I'm not rooting for either of these two, maybe George because I feel as though he's redeemable. That's fast. I mean, I hope that over the pizza guy. Oh John John I have done becomes involved, but I don't think he probably will. I mean you've got a crack in plan and it sounds that they put together a ragtag team. I think it's a quote. So I'm looking forward to some high Jinks. I'm looking forward to a nice clean Heist. Let's read the second part. Everybody got their watches bags of money and money orders out at listen to James as he ran through each one of the different plans one by one in his frantic but determined toe. He talked very clearly in an authoritative and focused manner as everybody thought back to their experience of the night earlier. Okay. Let's get each of our members into different positions Darlene get us a diamond engagement ring using your favorite knife. It will be easier because this time the report Ring will have everything but one Jewel Terrence and todson will be carrying an AK-47 or even more deadly weapons since the police don't even care if we're carrying guns or knives and we're attacking the department to steal this expensive equipment. So as we move to a spot called the rear parking lot it is best not to worry about being seen or noticed by anyone because Aaron's will be on fire from his rifle so that you don't hear anything the guards in this building also seem friendly. They're nice and we can always just ask them if anyone wants to help to get the equipment into this parking lot. George was a bit unconvinced that the gods were friendly, but he gave them a not. Anyway, he knew how much it took to get to that room. It was a total mess of broken doors and broken elevators and stairs. So it would be more fun to see if the two cops would help them or just stand aside as his friend. James continued once we steal the power source, the power switch on our van will be broken. So we'll have to walk through the main entrance ourselves and get the power to power our van up using power chords Mickey. It's time for me to put on your uniform. You'll be dressing up as a female police detective James thought this sounded nice and its own weird sense. So instead of just trying to mumble it he chose to explain exactly a Mickey took a step. Back in all Mickey picked up his outfit a brown skirt that reached down below his knickers too. Long dark black boots that turned into shoes when it hit his skin and his usual red hat with white letters spelling make a he looked like they're kind of detective whose parents lived and died without owning a television, but he did feel sexy and handsome enough with blue eyes and long brown hair and silver teeth like the boy in the Ikea home commercials. I mean, I remember Those commercials well Vivid like the play with the Silver T and the the folding storage system. Finally George. I want you to be an actor for me this month as our decoy our secret agent living as a female police detective for two months in the ice-covered snow on the streets of Boston and then Scavenging for food because you're not allowed by law to use cars. Can you do that Mickey steady? To James has eyes for several minutes before nodding his head winking at George George winked back again at Mickey and the rest of the room erupted into laughter and fun with a lot of the boys getting the laugh of their lives and the girls finding out all about the ice cream man who was about to steal their heart when he saw the Ikea boys silver smile. There was a lot of back-and-forth between James Mickey Paul and Bob. Well the fuck's Bob all of whom were feeling jealous because they weren't Going to be living as a woman and that was a big deal. Right? So James got George a lovely outfit a white and blue top that said ice cream King red lipstick and a blue blouse with purple stripes to keep his manliness in check with purple ear flaps with George undercover. They were ready to go out on a mission and to start the heist on the way there James told Bob that he's not allowed to talk because he's quite nervous around animals and it's really bad for his psyche to be talked to by an idiot in front of them the team sang a song on a a portable radio that everyone knew the lyrics to wet shampoo on water. You want some shampoo? You better not waste it you'll ruin my makeup line. You need a shower baby. Hey, you'll never get in my pants. We just met but you know exactly how to dress. I have my own business. When's it go? Going to rain. I'll need some soap to you. Don't remember your hair type. I remember that song well from my youth. I think I remember who it's by but Bananarama, yeah by the little Ikea but it's not the team soon arrived at the top floor of the building via the elevator which was out of order due to the sheer amount of dirt. The elevator used the team had parked in a parking lot in order to sneak through as quickly as possible while avoiding getting caught on the radar there were four guards in line of battle. With no security or surveillance cameras in the buildings. They were arranged in a triangle as one unit of men watching over the power source, James signaled for his men to move and grab one of the guards guns with his long tongue to ensure everyone didn't get away. He's a mutant the men circled the area as if trying to determine from what direction the guards would be moving and that attacked the guards from all directions while a team of armed thugs surrounded the door at random shooting indiscriminately. There was a A skirmish and they quickly began firing back. The noise was like sirens on a highway that only went from town to suburb like something in hell. It was really honestly terrible James shouted above the noise All Hands fire all hands fire aim for every guard and they will bleed in an orderly fashion. We must attack these men to ensure their death and get our hands on their power we only Five minutes of this to make this a better world for me and all who are alive. The government is on fire and I am fighting them. I must have a strong presence as well. And I need to be the final one to ensure my team with James splattered through gasps and then pulled himself up to his knees the sound was louder. Other than the fire in its eye he looked down at his face. He could never get rid of it there. He saw the burning blood covering his forehead, huh where he saw a bullet hole. He had never seen his own always been shot. Oh, he looked at the team and they were laughing and celebrating which he thought was a rather horrible thing considering how much he died in the next few minutes. George kept laughing as he saw his friend Keel over dead and George didn't care. I always okay. No, I really I I saw this coming because I thought I was like George get I year planning something different James had long been a coward George never thought twice of killing him. He lowered the gun and said to the rest of the guys we had been up against the wall, but he couldn't handle the power coming his way. If anyone has a problem. They have come up. Don't forget I'll deal with it. If you ask me really if anyone has a problem speak up or get on with some males. It's his voice was like that of a dead rabbit that had run out of milk. Suddenly. George was afraid all about his chest hair which kept growing like crazy as he got colder. He didn't feel his arms anymore. But he loaded up the energy source into the pickup using a handkerchief. He'd picked up he looked around and his team and the dead guards before lighting two cigarettes and holding one out on either side of each foot. He lit a third smoke before putting all his effort towards the last bullet he had before collapsing on Backside and firing it towards a large hole behind him containing a big coldren of gunpowder the whole building exploded before landing in a pit of dark blue oil the teen drove away in the pickup and George lit his two cigars to the sounds of thunder and the heavy clang of Steel bullets as they rain down. I mean, so there's like what two cigars and three cigarettes that oh and there in his feet there in his hands. he took a drag of each smoke and said Let this be one of the final exams in the history of gentlemen. That's a pretty badass line. If I'm honest, it's the most badass thing that I've ever said as the pickup reached the city walls the team split up and set up their own lives Vinnie the boy, I don't fuck is this it doesn't matter Vinnie the boy spent his share on cleaning houses while the other boys stayed behind to defend the giant pile of mashed potatoes. He'd invested in his Vinny. The boy with a silver smile. He might be the boy with the silver smile the giant pile of mashed potatoes in the next few years. He'd go on to make thousands while working in his friend Rick's shop selling a series of expensive and unusual trinkets in the shape of the word. Good nice. I think if I'm honest I would sell really well too. I would love like a trick in it said good nice is that it's just insanely good nice is not a word it is no the demolition expert Ricky. Key, fatty far spent his cut on a small barbecue of pork-belly tossed alongside beans and gravy. He invited a couple of dozen Family Associates along with his own friends along but nobody wanted or bothered to so he died of hunger in the end Ricky that's kind of sad all four of the gunman worked together on a few of the most important jobs in this Village planting corn cleaning Wells butchering meat and Gathering wood for building a makeshift fortification. One of the gunmen Raul became so deeply addicted to alcohol and drugs. He would actually spend his mornings drinking out of a cardboard Container full of his father's ashes. Oh my God, James remain silent as he was executed by his friend that was good of it. But he managed to sustain a full beard until at least the morning of February where he was placed on a scaffold alongside one of his friends as part of his funeral everybody through a large number of empty bottles of champagne over him. Good time soon and shewed as for George. He was found and charged by the local Army for being too young to marry his childhood companion Maria. Okay. So everyone in this story is a paedophile. He was sentenced to seven strokes of death while the military danced their new heroism dance in the middle of an occupied Village Under curfew and was never seen again. And that's it. That's all that's all. That's the whole story. Not my God. You know what but we did. I like how it tied up at the end. I mean there was kind of an element of like the op gone wrong, you know, but I mean like well James died and to be fair his funeral is exactly how I'd want my dear old to go. I'll remember that. I want to be propped up by one of my friends. Yep. A scaffold and then I want people to shuck shuck empty champagne bottles, which I'm guessing they've already drunk weight and well, that's because it said a good time soon Institute and I'm guessing they're absolutely pissed. Yeah the entire building blew up which is a recurring theme it is also why was it just filled to the brim with gunpowder? Kala collagen cauldron of old and this is actually called re they've got intelligent baby. It was like a it's thing like a booby trap. How what why why would you do that to a building in case of Siege? Just just in case we'll just you owe the fucker up. Yeah, just shoot the entire culture and make sure no one smokes awake George lit five cigarettes. He lets Circle cigarettes near this big cauldron of gunpowder and then shot it it wasn't even one of the cigarettes that said enough which actually Be dope as hell. I made it sounds its sides pretty like badass. Yeah, like you'd like, you know you that I would say this is the story that I would like turned into a film the most so far. Oh hell. Yeah, and I would definitely watch that know, who would you want to play jacks Sigourney Weaver? I don't know why that was my first. Oh, yes. Absolutely Sigourney Weaver. I just see it as a career defining defining role. Because there is there is cross-dressing in it, right? You know, what here's the thing. I think she would she play to the ninth. Yeah, I think she will take this on with a poem a poem or a plum we have with aplomb. Yeah. I have a new favorite simile, which is his voice was like that of a dead rabbit that I'd run out of milk. What do you think? That sounds like? Well, I don't like I'm presumably I'm imagining like the corpse of a rabbit this Festival but the voice is actually quite raspy because of the lack of milk. But it also it's amazing dated from not having enough calcium in its diet. No, no stop stop. Please stop we have to talk about the song. Absolutely and I I'm not even joking. I love it. I it's got some like real good singers in here and I plan on using these in my next rap battle. You'll ruin my makeup line. I mean, I just did you wearing my makeup line will devalue That's that's the burn you need a shower baby. You'll never get in my pants shampoo on Walter. It's kind of it sounds poetic. Like I don't know I was about to like oil and water like that the shampoo and water mix. I mean, I feel like it's like, okay kind of lovers. I guess. Here's the thing. Yeah, like you have like the the suds like on the sort of like Safari like, yeah. It's like I am I'm above you but yeah shampoo on 100. Yeah, like obviously another pretty successful adding for the algorithm. I think I think it's done a good job. I could follow what was going on. Oh, I think you did a great job. I you know what, I would read this just but like to send me this like, yeah, but apparently that's how a lot of people to listen when they're sending themselves to sleeping just like because it's a computer dreaming. That's the that's the entire conceit. You know, what maybe it'll send you into some really weird dreams but fun. Yeah you could you listening is this story? About as weird as my dreams. So I think stress me out. Just hearing about I dreamt last this is this is not relevant ready to the podcast. But I dreamt last night that I burnt down a hotel Jesus. That's something you could have done. Yeah. I was on like fired UE which I never did in real life. I just had everyone died. Oh my God, but I mean I was all right. Anyway, so tune in next time for another story. And yeah, I we're taking requests if you've got an idea. For a story. Yeah, if you have an idea for a story right in so if you've got an idea for what sort of story we should write give us a little tweet at sleepy underscore computer. Yeah, let us know because I would we'd love to hear from you and we'll know I know that's not true if your idea isn't crap, and we might use it in a future episode. Bye.

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And I'm here with Hebrew of The Buttery Bros one buttery bro. At least welcome to the show. Thank you for having me on Jason. How are you? I know I took you by surprise. We were on a call and I said do you mind if I hit record so I appreciate you being flexible and willing to chat and it's exciting because you guys have some amazing things going on The Buttery Bros. I feel like are everywhere these days. We're just trying to take advantage. You know, we're just trying to have the most fun possible and that requires us to be a lot of places you it looks like you're having fun. So I want to talk about though what might not have been fun, you know is probably a year ago now right the across the radius huge changes and they just let go of ninety percent of the media team and you two were a part of that. Yeah about a year ago. I was coming home from a trip for CrossFit to Iceland Sweden Canada and Boston. It was a whirlwind trip over the course of like seven days. We had all those countries and places and did interviews for a documentary that we were producing and then I got home and a week later. They let go of they made another second half of the media team they let go of and so it was it was definitely a whirlwind of thinking that we were on One path to oh, wow. We're on a completely different path. Now. It's trying to figure out what we're doing. So the first half of the media team he gets like go. Did you guys feel like you were in the clear or was there a feeling of like, okay, we're next. When's it going to happen? It was definitely especially when I figured out what they were trying to do as a company. I was I was kind of like I think I should have been let go in August so they let go of like a huge Chunk in August and then another big shift in October and then a little bit later like three months later. They let go another big group and so for me when I when I heard the new direction of the company was going it seems like all of the media and stuff that I was creating. When exactly what they were trying to get rid of and so no, I didn't ever feel safe. But you know positive thinker I just put my head down and tried to go create some fun stuff while I was still working at Cross it HQ. The very aware that there was a good chance. I wouldn't be there much longer how quickly did your mind psycho because you guys I mean from at least the looks from an outside perspective really, you know, what's the expression you took a life? Owens and you made lemonade you guys have something awesome going on how quickly did you guys to reach out to one another and say all right. We're going to be we're going to form the buttery Bros and we're going to you know Take This World by storm. It was a few just to figure out what the buttery Bros were was a few months. So in October Marsden actually was in Brazil when he was let go so he was gone for an entire week and we kind of like the entire month of October. I was just trying to figure out what I wanted to do with life. And also we started like immediately the next day. I got phone calls from a handful of different companies wanted me to try and set up a an interview with them to work for them. And I didn't know if I wanted to work for a specific company. We definitely knew we wanted to make a documentary Mars in the night and we were thinking we were trying to figure out how to make the 2018 documentary still because at that time we were still in negotiations and discussions with CrossFit on how to make that happen slowly that dissolved we figured okay. We got to take advantage of 2019 season. We need to tell a story mainly because we wanted to still build up the athletes in the cross its path. Katie know a lot of these guys are friends. We wanted to see them still in a big light and and tell their story as big as possible that we like we've done in the years past and so we were trying to figure out how to do that. We went to Dubai CrossFit Challenge and we were still like figuring out what exactly it is that we were going to be doing and when we got back from that on New Year's Day, we happen to be shooting a commercial for a company with Matt Fraser and we're in his garage. Garage that evening on January 1st, and we did one of the workouts from Dubai. We did Acid Bath and we filmed it and we thought it was kind of funny. So when we got home, we made it into a little Vlog and by the time we released it, we were in water palooza about two weeks later and the impact was instantaneous almost because the next morning we were walking around we called the log The Buttery Bros and immediately people were responding and colonists buttery Bros and Kind of immediately picked up the vibe of what it was we were about as creators. And so that weekend was incredibly fun. And it really kind of helped launched us into the new YouTube space that we're currently in while also building things outside of that throughout the 2019 season. What does buttery Bros mean? So for the years that we've been making movies and shooting content Martian and I any time we met last shot. It's really well composed. It's really smooth. I'd be like, oh man Martian that shot was buttery. And so or you know, that's as far as the 51l the shot. We always refer to it as buttery. So we thought that it would be cool to name our company all buttery ink and we shoot all butter all the time. So we're buttery Rose Did you do the filming of Ricky Gerard for the documentary where he says he didn't do drugs? Yeah, yeah did I was I was face-to-face with Ricky and asking some pretty pointed Direction directed questions and had some interesting answers from them. So I'm you know, I'm not trying to put you on the spot and feel free to tell me you can't talk about it, but did you know at that time that he had tested positive and he was lying to your face? Yes, and no it was an interesting position because I knew that he had tested positive but at that time he didn't know and what I had been told was to just go ahead and go like you don't know anything because there's still a chance he could appeal and his appeal process hasn't been completed. So it's not nothing's official until that's been said and so once he has a chance to appeal this could all be completely different so I went down. And played that with the benefit of the doubt he made that super easy because he like he was such an awesome host. He had breakfast for us. He had a skateboard for me that morning when we went down to the beach and did some you know, I met him at his apartment. We went down to the beach and hang out of the water for an hour or two. They came back. He had this whole morning routine that we did and he was it because he was a really great dude, but have this kind of history from the games that you will so so for me asking questions, I'd I tried not to go either direction, but let him speak from what he wanted to say and we got the answers that you see in the movie Bachchan got ya. But yeah, I know I heard that in the past that he had tested positive, but he didn't realize it and I didn't realize you were the guy filming it now you and you you two seem to be like best friends The Buttery Rose. You have a good time. What's been the what's the biggest fight you two have ever had? I don't know we've ever come on the time you travel around the world you compete against one another you guys seem super chill super fun, but you guys must butt heads every once in a while. I mean we bought head then we have we tried to have a I've learned over the history like just in life that way you handle problems and and concerns there's a handful of ways to go about things and I know when I start to get angry how I react and so I try to find a way to not confront things when the when I met my most heated and if I can take a moment. Calm myself down and get in the proper headspace and I can have a conversation. It doesn't turn into an argument and I've learned how to work with margin in a really good way. I think if there's anything that we've had that's kind of been confrontational. I'm sure there was some times it CrossFit making movies where you're arguing over silly things. Like what is a color balance look like or what is the audio going to sound like or but I think most of the time we have a pretty common pretty calm conversation when we're having a stress. Whole experience and off the top of my head. I can't think of anything where I'm like, oh, this is a really funny story where we got in each other's faces, but for the most part, we're both pretty calm and when dealing with each other and finding creative Outlets to to either express ourselves or communicate with each other with what we think the best ways to go about things has that makes any sense at all. Yeah that makes total sense having had multiple business partners in my life. It's It's not always easy. Now it I saw you guys at the 2019 games going to be expect a movie. Yeah, we're pretty similar for the 2019 games. I think from 2018 or 2019 were creating something similar to what we've had in years past but with the new season and with the new changes like the documentary's kind of going to be what everyone's been talking about for the last 12 months, which is what is CrossFit doing and how is this poor going to change and also taking into account what the story of the 2019 CrossFit Games was like who did what who perform? Well, what was their? And what was that battle? Like I mean, it looks to be like you're friendly with all the athletes and I'm sure you are but just part of you want Matt or Tia to lose just for the movie. I don't want you to say anything bad about that. But I mean, you know, or is it just like a part 2 part 3? Yeah, it's kind of like I don't feel for anyone. So I'm not like oh for my movie would be better if this happened. What I try to do is just find new characters. Like if I'm bored with a character or I feel like I'm doing the same thing over again. You you just turn the camera five degrees and you've got another face that you can talk to and that's kind of the case with this where for this new movie or for Regina dominant like phenomenal movie turned out great. This is kind of a similar story and not Gia both win, but there's different competitors that are actually pushing them in 2018 yet. Carl web 2019. No one really came close to two TS users walking away with it. Although she had battles within workouts with individuals and Matt and Noah have this epic battle throughout the weekend and that is a really interesting story and know as a whole new character that we haven't really talked about in any of her movie. So I'm I'm excited to kind of tell his story. A bit too well and then following up on that I was going to ask you who has been over the years your favorite kind of accidental star like you didn't know that you were going to spend time with filming them going into that year, but then by the end you're like wow, this person really surprised me. Was it Noah from last year? Do you have somebody else? You know who it is. Is it someone that hasn't made the screen yet? And it's Lucas Holmberg. I love Lucas Helberg, and he did amazing in 2018. And I kind of got to know him at the games that year and then afterwards I went to Sweden had an amazing few days with him there and I had that guy's hilarious and tons of fun. So he's kind of my accident star but but I haven't been able to tell a story because we will have a little bit of a minute this documentary that the 2018 one unfortunately won't will be made at this time. So is it that hard for you to be a Fan of the sport a fan of some of these athletes and not kind of internally route for them. Oh, I just did refer everyone and but I also like I can take a really easy backseat because Add the gained a lot of times. I'm not actually watching the events. I'm just waiting in the back people are coming come to come and go so I'm definitely like I'm rooting for know. I'm rooting for Matt if if one when's the other like it's an interesting story. Yeah, I'm not I don't feel like I'm ever in a weird position where I'm rooting against someone that I like or that hurts my story. I this point in my life. I'm not the show there's a fan of their as a profession and so it Be a different experience when I go and watch it as a fan and a few years. So so it's it is your profession. How hard is games week for you, too? But every year very different this year was extremely hard. We took on a lot we produce two of our buttery bro shows and a documentary that we put together literally at the last minute. We were flying to Madison, Wisconsin, when we kind of lock down all the the the production that we read lock down all the deals that we needed to do to know like Hey, we're going to make a movie and we're not going to involve anybody else and so We brought up like I was calling and hiring people as we are on our way there. It was extremely chaotic. I think we pulled off some pretty awesome considering the time frame that we were given and it but every year like last year was super easy really smooth and that's 2018 by then. We were super dialed in when I film Froning that was pretty chaotic and then in 2013, I had an awesome time with no chaos where I just made a rap music video with Miranda oldroyd and Pat Sherwood and and lowering the curtain and so, you know, it depends on the year, but Now being independent, it was a very chaotic but extremely rewarding and fun eight days that we were in Madison. Yes. I remember that video you guys were up on scaffolding at one point. There's a fun video. I'm sure people can go find it on YouTube. What would they can search like 2013 rap video is 2018 not happening because CrossFit won't allow it or because it's just in the past now. The short answer is CrossFit wouldn't let it when we tried in October and November of last year to negotiate and talk with them about it. The answer we were given was at this time CrossFit is no longer interested in telling the story of what the game used to be. We want people to focus on what this case the games are or will be and so they didn't want to be putting out a movie because the movie wouldn't come out until March of 2019. And people would be seen in on Netflix in July and then be very confused because they cross the games have evolved and changed so dramatically since that movie was released so that being the case, you know, there's always a hope and chance that maybe crossover will let us make that movie and in three or four years and we could go back and kind of a throwback movie which would be very different than anything we've ever done but it could be cool if we had an awesome movie. In the can last year, so it is is it how close to being done is it? The 20 18th. Yeah, it's all shot. It's all shot but nothing is edited. So and I'd imagine that's that's the hard part. Yeah, I mean, it's 50 it's shooting is very difficult because it's time-consuming and you have to coordinate with athletes and schedules and and getting places its kind of it but it's definitely fun editing isn't always the most fun because you're just kind of in a locked room in dark out for dark hours and and long days. Just just slaving away in front of a computer screen, but there's a lot of fun doing that as well. If you enjoy that type of work, you know speaking of the chain. Just eat you mentioned like Lucas Holberg. Was there anyone just from another country that someone listening to this podcast probably wouldn't have recognized or still might not know that that stuck out to you. Like wow, you know this female from Saudi Arabia or this guy from India. Did anybody stand out for it to you this year that you wanted to get more footage of From 19. Yeah from 1900. There's all these, you know hundred and fifty miles a hundred and fifty females there's plenty of people you didn't know. I'm sure did any of those people stand out to you the Lesser known names. Yeah, I would say there was this girl from let me look at her name. Yeah, Danielle Brandon. She took I think 11th and by the time I figured out that via who she was but by the time I got any cameras on her there was only like one event left. I mean that's probably part of the problem with the clutch is it's hard to kind of find people and then you find them in the third their cut, but she was super cool and very athletic and did really well. Well and then got caught before the right after the Sprint's but I think in a rookie year she made it to 11th place. So that's that's a phenomenal first go for her that must have been an additional challenge because I'm sure you're filming people like fikowski and vulner, you know going into it building up and then all of a sudden they're out on day two or three that must impact you guys long-term when it comes to the 2019 movie. Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't so it's you know, like we just looked at it like Game of Thrones like some of your favorite characters get killed off pretty early on in season one. So we were just like we went into it like super bomb. The people are going to get cut like it was heartbreaking to see Sarah not on the floor on the floor at the same time. It was you know the game that year and and I think the hardest one for me was watching Brooke. Also had a minor incident that cost her her weekend and it changed everything for her like that was really hard to watch but that's part of it and in if I wasn't as emotionally involved in it, I don't think the movie would be as good. So the emotions that I'm feeling and the hardness of that stuff is part of what movie making is about, you know feeling things with people that you are interacting with. I'm very close with David Tittle a mutual friend, right UW and we joke around a lot about how people you know just are like hey come video this come shoot this no big deal. This is what you do, right? What? What's what's the hardest thing about what you do that people don't realize when they ask you to come shoot a workout in their garage, or I'm sure you don't get that anymore. But what's the hardest part about that that people don't realize When they're putting you out. I think they probably the biggest thing people understand is and I think it depends on what it is that people are looking for like people might see The Buttery browse and see that that's you know, wow, that looks like they're having so much fun, but they don't see you know, yeah, we're planning a rule but every night for the next 3 because you know, there's three or four nights right after that. We're not sleeping to try and get this thing down in time. I think it's the time it goes into it both pre-production and post-production and setting things up like You want to set up a really good shot and set up a really good match cut in editing and it's not just pull out your camera and go you have to kind of pre pre plan things. Then you got to shoot it a few times and then you got to go back and edit it and your first edit might not be what you're happy with said and you re out of it. There's just a lot more than pulling out your iPhone and snapping and Instagram story and posting it. Although I think there's a lot of value to that type of media and content. As well for what we're trying to do. It takes a lot of effort both before and after shooting. What's one thing anyone listening can do next time they pull out their iPhone to get better video or photo for their Instagram feed. Cool, I think here's what I would suggest is shoot in the morning or in the afternoon or evening. Sorry morning or evening. Like right when the sun is rising or when the Sun is setting is then you have kind of an even light the sun creates it that our it's called the Golden hour, you know, it's right after it right right before and after sunset for a few minutes and then right before and after sunset and sunrise and sunset. Up. The sun is light. It's not harsh. It's not in your face. Shadows won't be in your way. And you can very easily with an iPhone get a phenomenal photo. What's the best Instagram filter to give someone a six pack? I don't know. I think I think I think it's called nutrition and diet and of being filter that makes you look a little bit sexier. I think there's a I think there's a filter there's an app that you can download now that you know, you're just like yeah, I don't know what you can just bring your photo into it and put six pack abs on that sounds a lot easier than yeah. Definitely, there's definitely an app and you can add tattoos to your arms and things like that. There's all kinds of stuff you can do but I think for filters I don't use the filters on Instagram, but I would play a little bit with the editing if I didn't do it already on my computer with the structure or the saturation and it also kind of depends on what look you are going for right? Like that's a complicated question for photographer which is depends on what your goal is. What is the video that you guys are most proud of on The Buttery Bros YouTube if somebody's like Hey, listen to this podcast. I want to check them out. What's the video? They should check out. The Kauai Vidya where we just posted this recent one currently is a ton of fun. It shows what we're about also highlights are really cool organization in Hawaii where they're donating and taking care of a ton of kids there. That's and it's 41 minutes long. Like that's a phenomenal fun video 4042 almost 43 minutes long. Yeah 4257. I'm looking at it. We had Chris Henshaw not too long ago, and we also have the owner of Oxford copper are on was out in Kauai and definitely a great organization. So check out that video. So 43 minutes how much footage is captured to get 43 minutes of edited video? You know most of the night ended on different sequences, so I don't know what the total number was because it's also not we've never put together all the lock lips to see what how much we shoot. But I would say that we I mean we shot for some of the actual total run time of actual just raw footage, but we shot for about 5 days and very rarely. Would you find Mars in my without a camera? You know, that's what's interesting to me. Are you guys like just so strong in that position? meaning but ended up calling the camera did like there's a camera some arson in on the field mostly Marston with it and it's like, you know, his arms are at about 90 degrees and he's got this like kind of rigged thing over the screen so we can see it because the sun like it looks like you got this ten thousand dollar camera that he put together a piece of cardboard to walk out the screen do they not make do they not sell something a little nicer for that they do but we Yeah, yes they do. But sometimes I don't like that that actually works better than what they give you. Yeah, I've never judging and I'm like looking at him like that looks so funny because I'm sure that's a really expensive camera and its got like duct tape on it to block out the step. He's got death tape and cardboard from Amazon boxes. So that camera particularly that's a red cinema camera on a movi gimbal. So it's at the pretty big rig. It's probably it's very expensive to but it's very He cinematic we've are it's really rare that we would ever use that camera setup for our show. We usually leave this Sprint's which makes sense. But that I believe that was for the Sprint event on the on the field of the games this year. Not the Sprint the the sled in the muscle ups. Yeah, he said the games he was he was a man in that camera for all the final Heats of men and women and the games in at some events. We've brought out that camera rig for The Buttery bro show. We keep it a little lighter and a little bit more little less real estate just so we can get to and from places a lot quicker that camera the the red camera is extremely hard and there's definitely like The first time you pick it up, like if I haven't touched it for a while and I pick it up for two minutes. I'm like beat and you have to really acclimate to how heavy that thinking get. It is pretty gnarly. Yeah. I I'm impressed by you guys because I mean, I'm just watching and I'm like knowing Fitness. I'm like that cannot be easy. Do you guys does which helps the other more is being fit like you to helpful to be a good cameraman or is because you hold these positions. Like really good at bicep curls. It's more like a by symmetric. It's like a bicep isometric hold. It's like a hammer curl it to you know, halfway up and you just hold it walk around all the time. I think Being Fit probably helps way more than just actually walking around with the camera. Have you ever left a day of shooting and like, I'm really sore from whatever I did. Yeah, you don't necessarily feel it in your biceps so much. But like you're seeing us all feels weird and you're out of alignment for like a few weeks, especially shooting something like the game where for hours on end. You're holding that camera rig in years past when I've done it. I've definitely felt out of place for like, you know all the way up until September. You know right around the TV series. I'll start to feel good again. Yeah, I mean there's an Infamous scene where Marcin Sprint's faster than Frazier with the camera and you know people lost their minds because he beat you know, the fittest man on Earth did did he brag a lot about that afterwards? No, actually so and that's a that's a different camera rig than what he's using at the games this year. So that's a slightly lighter but still not as still as it impressive. But when he when he did do you I wasn't talking about be Fraser always talking about. Oh we're looking at is the footage, you know, that's the only thing that matters of the time and then later we started seeing people posting about it on Instagram and and and I think still now like once a month he'll get tagged and some video where it pops up again on some Making thread and we'll laugh about it. But for sure in the moment, all we're looking at is you know, because it doesn't matter how fast you run that's not his job as job is to get the shot and and the shot turned out phenomenal, but pretty cool. If you could beat the fittest man on Earth that have in a foot race. Yep. Alright last question for you and they got a busy schedule. So in the 2017 documentary redeemed in the dominant, there's an opening shot here. Come car web at the time before she got married car web T it clear to me lunging in the same shot Greg Martino. Jason Ackerman judging. Yep. I'm afraid. But you must have lost my address somewhere along the way because I have not gotten any money. I'm in the opening shot of this movie. I get recognized all the time. The residuals have not I'm expecting to retire off of this where where's my money is what I'm trying to get up David I would, you know, contact Greg at CrossFit.com Teen documentary be elk. So probably the most the place we interact the most is Instagram at Hebrew Canon at Mars media at buttery Bros the 2019 documentary. We are still in the editing rooms cutting and it takes a little bit of time. It will be if you're familiar with the Crossett movies in the past. It will have a very similar release dates will be March of 2020 and it'll be on iTunes and a handful of other video on demand platform. Then we'll hopefully get it on some bigger ones as well. How how hard is that? I know I told you we were done but I do have how hard is it to get picked up on something like Netflix or Amazon Prime or or some of these other new streaming Networks? It's definitely hard. You have to have a it's not like there's a direct line where I can call it Netflix and say hey, I got a new movie check it out and they're like interested Jeff Bezos of Amazon is not calling you and being like hey, yeah, like we want the next one. Yeah, okay. I got kind of Lucky with Sony where we made phony we put it out on iTunes ourselves and that as a child has taken from Crossfit cross it put it out and it was number three on iTunes charts that weekend blew up and I got hit up on Twitter by a distribution company called gravitas Ventures. And so I put them in touch with Crossfit and then they you know, distributed Froning and got it on Hulu and bunch of different. At forms, I think it's now on Netflix and then they've done that for all the other movies that CrossFit made and because of that I've had a relationship with them and we're working with them on our newest movie. So they're already talking to Netflix and Amazon Prime and then kind of just negotiating to see what the best place would be for our movie to go onto very cool. Well, I'm excited for it. Hopefully, I'm you know, it's always exciting when when we see ourselves in your movies. So I And hopefully everyone will check all of you all of your information at all that stuff because you guys put out a really good interesting stuff, and I think you guys are basically the go-to when people want to watch CrossFit on the internet these days, so thanks for all you do. Well. Thank you. Thanks for listening to best our of their day. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. First of all, it's free. How cool is that? There's a creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. 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In this episode, Jason Ackerman sits down the half of the Buttery Bro. If you haven’t heard of  Heber or Buttery Bro you must be living under a rock. He was one of the driving force behind the Crossfit Games documentaries, but what's more, exciting if the work that he’s down since being let go from Crossfit when we got rid of their Media Team. Heber and long-time buddy Marston Sawyers teamed up to make the Buttery Bros which is bringing the Buttery content about the Games, Sanctionals, and all the athletes. They just to be seen to be everywhere right now bring out the best content for us the community to not only follow wants to go on but also in a fun entertaining way. Heber is a great person who is just following his passion with his best buddy making great content for the community don’t forget to check them out. Check out the extra content about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group.

What's up, everyone and Welcome to our video on the three investment and trading rules from Ray. Dalio. So if you don't know who Ray dalio already is he's an American billionaire investor a hedge fund manager and a philanthropist and most people who know who radio is other people who know where it came from. So he's the founder of the investment firm Bridgewater Associates. And this is one of the world's largest hedge funds with over 124 billion dollars in assets under management. So jumping straight into the investment rules. The first rule de Leo mentions is diversification. You need to diversify now while diversifying your Investments may sound obvious de Leo takes on the subject. It has to be specific and unique. So his diversification strategy is based on the principle of reality being realistic and this principle teaches you to always see the world for what it is and not what you wish it to be. So in investing the reality is that many of your investment choices. They're going to be pretty bad. They're going to have dual returns and they might actually lose you money many investors. They don't actually see the truth when it's choosing their Investments. And what happens is they start to become delusional about the worth of that particular Investments and their investment choosing abilities. So they think they're really good at choosing Investments than their ego gets in the way and even with radio Leo's massive research team. He still does not know what the future Future holds that is the reality and that's that concept of diversifying. Now this reality forces the diversification rule to be critical for long-term investment success and specifically Ray daily or mentions that it takes 15 uncorrelated Investments to reduce the risk factor by 80% and what he specifically mentions is I think the important thing here if I'm an investor, is that the important You can have is an excellent strategic asset allocation mix he then goes on to say in other words. You're not going to win by trying to get what the next tip is. What's going to be good or what's going to be bad you're actually going to lose. So what the investment needs to do is have a balanced structured portfolio. Now a portfolio that does this does well in different environments now investors can diversify across and within asset classes or across different geographies different currencies and Skits and even time so what we can take away from this as Forex Traders is not funneling all your ideas based on one currency Trader. And what about what I mean by this is if you're limiting yourself to one trade at a time, not only are you concentrating your risk on that trade, but you're not allowing yourself to diversify your overall portfolio to reduce that risk factor as daily inventions. So daily has next primary investment rule is to balance your portfolio based on inflation risk and Sharon has a considerable impact on financial markets knowing how to optimize your portfolio regardless of inflationary shifts is actually a key component to consistent returns over time. So once again that principle of reality comes back daily, it does not try to predict the deflation there or inflationary pressures, but rather he likes to view the economy in its current economic environment and understand what's causing this and only then can he create that balance portfolio so direct quote from from daily or summarizes is real really well, which is bonds will perform best during times of disinflation recession stocks will perform best during periods of growth and cash will be the most attractive when money is tight. So all asset classes have environmental biases and they do well in certain environments and then do poorly and others. So basically as Forex Traders you want to understand what's driving inflation, whereas it tending and how it's going to affect the currency and if Interested in how to applies to Forex you can actually sign up to the lodge effects Academy. The link will be in the bayou. It's one of the many factors we cover in our overall trading model. So going back to the rules. It brings us nicely into rule number three, which is learn what moves interest rates a famous quote from Radio is that it all comes down to interest rates as an investor. All you're doing is putting a lump sum payment for future cash flow and the big question is when will the term should Church of interest rates change now. That's the question to be worried about he who lives by the crystal ball in trying to forecast interest rates will eat shattered glass. And in other words, you're not trying to predict interest rates rather you need to understand their structure and why they move so again, if you're unsure of how to apply interest rates to your analysis and how they work in general. This is completely covered in our Academy. Our whole model is based on that Global macro approach to Forex. So if you're interested in that, don't forget to sign up below So thanks for watching. That's our video Don't on radios trading principles and rules. 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Ray Dalio is known as one of the worlds best traders, the founder of the fund bridge water associates and an author of a very successful book "principles". In this video we cover the 3 rules Dalio believes are a key component traders need to understand. As you may know there's a massive knowledge gap between retail traders and professionals and we're looking to tackle this by picking away at the top traders and providing useful bites of information which can be applied to your own methods.

Hey, this is Jason overcome Redmond. Thanks for tuning into the overcoming conquer show. If you love this show we want you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave that five-star review. Leave a comment and most importantly share with your friends because sharing is caring everybody wants to be on top of me. The problem nowadays is people want to get dropped off at the top of the hill. They're just dead. I overcome I said that makes all the difference either way. We're taught is you're going to call. I'm going to scratch going to fight you're gonna dig you're going to do whatever it takes to get to the top of that mountain that unequivocally is how I have managed to keep myself moving forward and finding success. Welcome back to the overcome the conquerors show. I gotta tell you there is a whole lot of Awesomeness and this studio today. I mean, it's hard to move with the amount of Awesomeness in here. Or it's okay. I've never been able to do I've never done that just stop there doing stop that. Yeah, that's just quit while you're ahead man. But we are honored to have another team guy brother with us today. And today's going to be a fun show man. Three seals One mission to talk a bunch of shit. You know what the mission is, but we can't talk about it right now. Yeah, not on are gentlemen not on air. But yeah, man, we I tell you what the new overcoming Anker show is men just crushing it driving forward this meant a lot of fun and we're just going to continue that obviously with our guest today. He is an awesome individual. He is a fellow teammate he was born in the great state of California and he's done a lot of things. I got to tell you. He came from a military family and it inspired him to go into the military. He was a marine. We're going to talk some about his childhood. Don't want to get into that but I tell you what, you know, he reminds me a little bit of Rage background grew up on the wrong side of the tracks and I tell you there's a lot of people out there that grew up on the wrong side of the tracks and lost their way and our guests. He stayed laser-focused and drove on despite everything being thrown against him. He went on and he joined the United States Marine Corps. He was a marine and when I saw the highs and lows, Got himself in a little bit of trouble over the years but you know and finally decided that the Marine Corps while it was a great warm-up for him stepped up. He got called up to the big league right and join the Navy and went to budge graduated in class 213 right now 250 250 250 in sorry about that. Sorry about that 215 and did several combat deployments and then spent some time and he An amazing company in 2001 tactical assault gear tag, and that company exploded. He learned a lot about making gear Relentless. He had a great business mind all the lessons. He learned both in the military and the Marine Corps and in the SEAL Teams. He translated that into huge success before he finally sold his part in tag and now he is driving for doing what he loves finding success with his passion with motorcycles and Recently launched his new company rugged and we are going to be talking about that along with he's a published author. He wrote the book seals. You have us Navy's Elite fighting force. And this is our passion that I was gonna say. I miss you all teams. You actually have to have a book. You know, I make fun of all my Army friends. I've got two in the works to in the works. So but yeah, my Army friends are like, yeah guy, you know, you're the only assholes out there that when you do a mission brief, they include you know, who the Book publishing point of contact is and how to write the movie. We have great fucking hair of the after-action report the end of the slides because the bibliography yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah and there and there's a shell horses. There's a there's a shelf of Copenhagen and hair gel as you step out of the platoon space had made here Joe but he truly is an amazing individual guys. He tells it like it is he is a leader. He is a warrior he is a businessman and we are just absolutely honored to have him on. Chris Osmond, welcome to the overcome and Conquer show. Thanks for having me fellas brother it is so awesome to have you here. You know we go back a little ways big fan big fan of what you do, but I've got to address the elephant in the room. You guys know, I do some Consulting work all over the world and you know, it just came to my attention that I was fucking paying full price for your shit for years and I just found out that you were the fucking CEO of a company where I A lot of your product so that did I mention he was a good businessman and I'm Sherry. I'm going to be hitting you up. We got to have to see if we get some type of can I get like a refund delayed refund type of discount code? Yeah, like a reverse discount what pisses me off is all your gear. So awesome. I was just telling him beforehand. You've got the most awesome fucking gear. I love your hats the faith. Hope and Destin. Thank you. I want you to say it because I'm married. I was hoping he brought some the Glitter has we were all like, / please but every time we I get online to buy a hat my wife one fucking gets pissed off because she was like don't you do it, but every time I do you're out of gear, what the fuck so I'm surprised myself. I you know that definitely wasn't my intention with starting that whole thing because originally it was Chris awesome designs everybody knows Reich and that was just a transition from tactical assault gear because everybody knew me is oh Chris is the tag guy, right? Yep. So I was working for the company that I sold tag to the company called LC Industries out of, North Carolina. Really big government contractor, but they make things that we used every single day that no one knows what the fuck they come from but chemlights. They make all the chem lights Asylum chem-lights about 19 million chemlights a year. Holy shit. Anybody want to know how many chem lights are being snapped around the world. That's about how many the five gallon jerrycan water jugs all the spoons that go into MREs and stuff like that. So that company wanted to get involved in manufacturing on the the the nylon side of the house and I had gone there many many years ago. 2009's to asked him to sell my product and get them to sign up as a dealer and buy time I left and he would drop me off at the airport. They asked hey, man, you know instead of us being a dealer. Would you consider selling the company to us? And you coming to work as a vice president? And I was like sure that was literally the conversation. It happened on a cell phone on my way to the airport great hair Deep Pockets, I fucking yeah. Yeah, and you may not but did I say that too loud? That was my outside, but that was you know that that animal. Blew up, you know, I never intended to have a company that you know was doing millions of dollars in sales and all this other crazy shit like that. Never knew that was my path in life. And then as I transitioned I'll say that they actually shitcan me they fired me seal transition means that's awesome. You're like, oh you're in a transitional period Oh, you mean you got kicked out of your house. I love it. So. You know as I had just started Chris awesome designs is this a side business because I ride motorcycles a lot and to me all that nylon shit that I see it's the same as making them all a dumb egg powder or something like that. I was like, it's nylon sewn into a rectangle instead of attaching to an armored carrier. It's going to attach to my handlebars and I started making stuff is a side hustle to keep my mind entertained and then then I got fired from LC Industries. Because I was making my own product even though they were making it for me. They were the OEM. So we're just you know, they basically hated me. I hated them they shitcan me. Yeah, and then you know with rugged my whole goal in life was to never ever ever become what I became intact like consume my whole my whole life. I mean it was seven days a week I can do you know no sleep no rest for the wicked type thing. And you know, I just don't want to become the life of the life of a huge entrepreneur that gets sucked down into the the actual business bureaucracy Road when it gets so big So we're starting to get ahead of ourselves now because we're I want to come full circle. There's a there's an amazing journey that you basically walked along before. Yeah, you reach that point and one of the things I want to go to back to one thing you said there because it's an amazing thing for every show. We have the word of the day and you made a statement there that why working with those guys they came to you one day and they just said, hey we want to buy you and you to become the vice president. And in that moment, that's Clarity it is that's your word of the The day it is think that's so amazing. So Ray, will you do the honors? And then Chris we're going to have you talk a little bit about why that's your word. Okay, Roger that I'll see Clarity the quality or state of being clear. Now. That's a pretty broad fucking definition. Obviously Clarity hits you like a 20 pound anvil in the head. So what is clarity mean to you sir? I think about anything. I know that Clarity for me is anything in life, right? If it's you're going to go to the gym you have to have clear. You have focus on what you're going to do. If you know this you guys work out if you just show up here like oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do. You'll spend an hour walk around the gym, but if you're focused you're like, hey, I'm gonna get in there and knock out this this this and this time I'm getting out of their business is the same way life is the same way. I think that if you can somehow going to your happy space and really really really dig down into who you are and what you're trying to accomplish and get some type of clarity of focus. Yeah, then you can drive forward and accomplish That goal and accomplish that mission if you're just out there hemming and hawing and your man, I don't know. I'm thinking about going to school. You know, I've always thought about getting my MBA. I've always, you know, the people who have the case of the tomorrow's. Yeah, there's no Clarity in anything that you're doing. I got it. You know what I mean? I love it. So I wonder how one right am I want to ride motorcycles. What kind of bike you want man? I don't know. I've never really thought about it. Yeah, how do you want to ride? What do you want to ride? Yeah. So there's there's that and that like, you know with rugged what Doing you know, it took me years to come up to have a a point of clarity of what I really wanted this brand of being what I wanted to do, which is why it's gonna never be anything like tag ever was you know, you learn from your less your mistakes. Oh big that's and that's what's so fucking cool about you know, and what I love about you is I've hung with you, you know, we've shared one or 20 drinks before and you're so fucking humble. I'm not going to lie to you. That's because I'm a huge fuck up. You know what? I mean? So if you do you remember that I mean it there yeah, I mean everybody makes huge mistakes. There's great success. There's great failures, right? There's a debit. There's that ebb and flow of life, right? But I think that you know, the reason I am humbled because I mean think about him and I'm surrounded by guys like you right that guy can't be a cocky asshole around guys like you. Yeah you that's a good thing about our community is that we will always hold each other accountable good bad or indifferent. Yeah, and you know, I mean, like I said man, I'm like dude. I was a see allows a marine cool, but there are tens of thousands of people who have done that and there are tens of thousands people who did it a hell of a lot better than I ever did it, you know, so, I don't know. I mean I'm proud of what I did, but I'm certainly not, you know hold myself as like some Elite being that deserves to be cocky around other people. And yeah, I think that's even another level of clarity and you you I like what you said there that it took you a while to figure that out. I think for all of us in business. And sometimes I know I feel that way. It's taken me a while to figure out. What is my specific message. What am I delivering? And I love that, you know you had this idea for rugged but it took you some years to kind of figure out this is my path. This is the clarity, you know, the dust is settled. I'm not moving in every direction of business. I know what I want to do. So, let's come full circle. Yeah, because yeah, like I said man, you have walked a hell of a journey. So yeah, go ahead Rick so We know you the team guy that you are now. Well sure what I want to know and what the listeners want to know is how did you become this? Talk about your childhood? I mean because we have a lot in common. I mean she's laid out there brother. Yeah. So I grew up in southeast San Diego. My dad was a he retired as command master chief of a fast attack submarine. So he was a chief of the boat known as a COB during the Cold War so he was never around not because he didn't want to be is just because he couldn't be right you guys know the deal and you know, he's deploying doing his thing and You know, the our family didn't have a lot of money. I mean, you know a thing about E5 E6 my brother was born when they were 17 s that means mom was pregnant at 16. I come along right behind him, you know, the traditional catholic Twins and you know, the they were stationed in San Diego and we were living in Imperial Beach at the time and my my dad and my mom applied for a like low-income housing, right? I think in back in the 80s, which most people don't realize Wise is you know home prices were low, but the the APR the borrowing rate was huge. So I remember them being excited and like celebrating because it had a 17% Yeah, and a lot of people would have liked, you know Seventeen percent 12 percent 20 percent. It was crazy amount of interest rate, right? So they apply for this this housing and we move into this neighborhood southeast San Diego and it was right behind Morris high schools pretty Mr. That area and it's Skyline Drive is like the main thoroughfare through there which then dumps into the Lincoln Park area. So that's where I grew up. So all of a sudden like we just move move in in the middle of the night and the next day we're you know, this is 1984 and I'm in grade school and you know the community around it was all low income, you know to mean I don't think my parents had the wherewithal to look ahead and say what you know, why the house is so cheap here. Yeah, or hey you have you guys this is a A great deal. Yeah, this is really a great deal. Have you guys actually got in the car and drove around there with the windows down at night to hear the gunfire? Probably not. So we move in and it's a brand-new house and you know, just we're literally like smack dab in the middle of San Diego's Urban gang problem and it was right the year that crack cocaine hit the streets is that 84 and this like gang violence just erupted everywhere. So we are leg literally living right in the middle of and I'm just you know white boy Chris walking to school and you know, Rai came from was a diverse neighborhood. It was you know Hispanics Asians white kids, you know, we all kind of like live in this apartment complex. So I never thought anything different, you know, it's like everybody's my friend that I get out there and like no dude. They they fucking hate you because you're a white Kit. They think that you're of privilege. They think that you know, you're better off in life than they are and then it's just, you know, it's like this fight on The Daily right people start picking on you and I didn't really understand what was going on inside a kind of a hard time adjusting to that and then I got it. Taking martial arts like taekwondo and that really helped boost my self-confidence and about maybe a year or so into that. You know some kids. They're like want to fight me in pick on me in the playground and I just went Unleash the Beast. So to speak is sort of beating people's ass and I was like, wow, this is pretty awesome. And I'm like Mikey like, yeah, I like that. You know my fist in your face felt pretty goddamn good. Yeah, and so there's also a stress relief in that, you know people who know who have been a fist fights is pretty awesome. There's that crazy. Adrenaline and if you're not the one getting your ass kicked, then it feels pretty good. If you're on the receiving end is it sucks but you know in that I learned to just stand my own ground in to fight for myself and fight where I believed in and that was it and I just refuse to be a victim and just go home and you know walk with my head down to school and do that, you know, a lot of kids just lived a life of cowardice. I'm like fuck that I'd rather get my ass beat then have somebody know that they they control my thoughts and they control my life. Laughs and I'm not going to walk on the other side of the street. I'm gonna walk down the center of the street and if you want some I'm here to give it to you. So did you did you choose the path of going into the martial arts? Your dad is your dad and courage that it's somebody in your family. What led you down that path watching like Kung Fu Theater movies and Bruce Lee and all that hours and you know, seeing that and when I was a kid, my dad brought home a first Blood the original one we stole the VHS John Jay. Yeah, and I'm like seeing this dude jump off. I've seen some self up. Wait, wait, wait, wait that motherfucker's why I want to do that. How do I do that? Your dad did not steal it. We know that in the shield teams. We never steal any when he borrowed it. We acquire a shrew we acquired it was it was that saying gear adrift is indeed a gift. That's right. 911 we didn't have the budget we used to so I can't tell you how many how many times it was? Like Hey new guy go acquire this. Yeah where you see Somebody shit laying there and you would look everywhere in you're like hmm. I don't see initials or social I'm taking that shit. So and how often wasn't that it wouldn't be like hey who's gear is this it's you just go ahead and take it. You just answered your own question. I love it. Fuck. Hi cruising to platoon space at midnight. You're like no. Nobody said not to take it. Yeah. Exactly. Nobody. I love what you guys come on here because we like ask these these like, you know, real deep questions we get off into I love it we go over the right fucking feel the locker. Room tangent fire and shit. I love y'all. All right. So your dad brought home first one, which was awesome man. I remember love that you love is bad ass fired me up. So that that kind of started you on this journey. So did you go suit seek out a dojo or did you say you know, how did you my the pat wire see the path the the route that my parents took to work my dad, you know where they drove by there was this gets Taekwondo Studio a couple miles from the house and I just said Hey Dad, I want to go in there. I want to take Taekwondo. And he was like, okay as long as you walk to your classes, then you can take it. Like did they never once drove me there? And I was about two miles and miles. Well, you seem to be I mean, I know you a little better than I'm telling people. You're very good at what you do but you've got this very like very passive. You're very laid-back and chill but what people don't know what I love about you is, you know, we were shot show drinking, you know, we had a couple they were fucking flowing but you like yeah and ones too many for it's not enough with the family, but you You have this this or about you just like you said where you know, like Hey, listen, don't let my kindness be taking advantage of you know what? I mean, like example, you know, we're buying drinks for each other. You're always going to get this and that but you know, they remember remember we had that idiot that kept coming around us and dude you like it went for it was awesome because it was you and another guy and then all of a sudden, you know, it's just like Jay when we were at a Christmas party where he just wants to beat San Jose just they turn it on so quick as usually I'm the This guy definitely wants yeah, he was being a dick but I love that about you is like, you know, you automatically put I just I love watching fucking Warriors go to work because it's like I felt like I was your wife because you're like putting your wife and me in one position. You're like protecting us. I'm like your wife's there and she's like whatever and you're like a bro fucking backup. But what I love about you is you do that you like put a guy in his place without being disrespectful to him, but it was enough where the guy wandered off. I remember that and I remember that I was drunk and you were just like Dude, you're in the wrong part of town or whatever. It was. But I saw that in you, you know, I was like damn dude old cat still got some juice left in them. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know the deal guys that I'm no badass by any stretch of imagination, but you never know who you're fucking with right and people I must say I'm a dangerous man, but we have the ability to become very dangerous men, right? It's not like we're not untrained. We haven't been through any type of hardships endured, you know, extreme circumstances yours obviously is a hell of a lot worse than anything I've ever. I endured there is a level of don't fuck with that. Most people don't have never encountered or yeah, you don't I mean, yeah, so they think is like they can talk shit and they can this than anything but you know, unfortunately, you know, you're you know, you're fucking with the wrong people. Yeah, and I think because we know that about ourselves that we know you're like man, this is like a soft target, right? There's really not a threat your he's just shit talking. So am I really going to elevate this from a zero to a Nate and now I'm trying to pull his fucking eyeball out of his head with my Yeah in the middle of shot shows. Like how about I just talked to the guy go look dude? Yeah, you know, we're family man. We're just kind of hanging out and I get it you recognize this as it is it cool if you just chill out and handle this alone and just you know, you want a drink I'll buy you a drink to just leave us alone. It was like you me primo and then that guy who was like that MMA killer uses like using the situation. Yeah. It's a big thing. Yeah that comes with time and I think a lot of maturity. Yeah. I was going to say I credit a lot of that to not only your seal history. Should I uh, Also think your upbringing the martial arts discipline because it's what I'm seeing a lot of guys that are that have fucked up childhood. I mean, I have a horrible childhood. We all like mine was wrestling. We all find something we find that internal discipline, you know martial arts is we just had on a couple episodes before or whatever it was. We had another guy that had the martial arts discipline single mom raise them. It's I'm seeing this this pattern of people that I think are very successful that are great. Amundsen remember Greg by mr. Guys that aren't multi Russian. Allen said, you know blackbell Krav Maga. Yeah, well down-to-earth guy and I don't think anybody that does the jobs that we do or did our normal right? There's no, you know true statement. Yeah. I remember being and I remember that very specific time during hell week were kind of close to graduating you guys know all know like day 5 or down at the demo pit you're doing your bullshit. Yeah. So we do all that and we're kind of like afterward we're sitting in a in a huge circle on the beach and I have No idea who it was because I was eased a 5 he'll wake but he walks in the center of that and he goes hey, so who by show of hands who here was raised by a single. Mom. Some guy's hands goes up who here was beaten and abused by their parents more hands go up then, you know just keeps asking these questions and it seemed like you know who here was beaten up by, you know, they're they're siblings who here has an uncle. You know, these all these questions of You know self-realization, you know who here is trying to prove something to somebody that told him you were a piece of shit that you would never be able to this who here has ever been told. They could not do this Bob. You know, I guess this whole day next, you know, you like look around and everybody sitting in the circle the whole the whole class somebody everybody's got their hands up and he should send he says those people are not your family those with their hands up in all of us here in these blue shirts where your fucking family you just earned the right to be a family member. This is who you're supposed to love and protect in fucking dedicate your life to fuck all those people who told you you know, he just goes in this speech and you're just like, oh my God, you're just trying to like cock not fucking my God. They didn't do that and I have no idea who that is. So I have a question. I have a million dollar question that everybody Wants to know about you. Why the fuck did you join the Marines? No offense to the Marines? Yeah, but what was your you know, you made the jump. I mean, you know, we talked about John Jay Rambo. You got great hair. Well, yeah this hard just pulling out. Yeah. Yeah this hard childhood and you definitely like Ray. I mean we talked about this you could have gone down some pretty bad patter and I'm sure you got lured in that direction many times what led you like what I said. Into the Marine Corps. Well, it wasn't by my choice. My first choice is always to be a seal. I grew up wanting to be a seal. My dad was in the Navy and you know, nobody in my family ever been in the Marine Corps before it, you know Air Force Army Navy all this and when I went to go join the Marine Corps, I'm sorry the Navy you know, I had a I had a juvenile criminal record right from you know, of course fighting right and as I was sitting in there and they're like, okay, have you ever tried any drugs, you know the guys like questioning you and you got he's got the little fucking pen out. Yeah. I'm like, oh, yeah totally have and He literally just looks like Jim Ignatowski off a fucking taxi. He was going for his driver's license. He said yes everything I've done that. Oh, yeah. I've done that too. Yeah, and so it was he was just like super disappointed and he pulls me to the back room. He's like what the fuck you doing man? You're supposed to say no to those. Yeah, I mean and I'm like Oh, I thought when you joined the military, you're supposed to have honor and integrity and you're supposed to dis is like my rebirth and he's like not here. He's like no that comes later bro. No not right. Now. You're supposed to be lying your ass off so I can get Get credit to get your dumb ass into boot camp and I'm so fucking sorry man. But because it already said it can't undo it cannot do it. Got you guy. And and so I couldn't go to buds. I had to you know, I couldn't qualify for the diver Fair program, which is now like the the pipeline right of today. So he was like you can go to the fleet Navy, but you will never make it to buds because you're a little turdy straight me but very very cool to me and he was like dude look the last thing Navy needs is another fucking shithead. We have so many of those here. JT recruiter, yeah, and he says he goes if you really really want to go to become a seal. I think what you really need though in life is real discipline and I was like, I don't have discipline. He goes. No, you're a fucking little shithead kid, you know, you gotta love brutal honesty, man. Yeah you yeah. Well, I love people that are brutally honest. I can't stand it beat around the bush. So I mean you got to respect that. I do not mind you it was like the shock like wait a minute my brother my mom and my dad aren't the only one who think that I Thought they were just fucking with me and you know, they were trying to just keep me down for 18 years. He's like no dude. You're a fucking dumbass. You like it legit you need discipline. And you know, I was like man, I've never thought about doing the Marine Corps I even told him is like like like Heartbreak Ridge Gunny Highway just like fuck Marine Corps, like, you know that and he goes, let me walk you Eagles. Let me walk you next door man. He goes a really do think that this is what you need and he goes, it's the real military you're gonna get marching around and doing rifle drill and the one thing I'll never Get egos, you know in the thing about the Marine Corps is they're dumb enough to give a guy like you live ammunition to shoot that's fucking awesome. So so you did the fuck you did the four years. I'm guessing right did the four years clean your skate your slate, I guess right? Well, we were I mean, I don't know about cleaning your slate. You had some interesting escapades in the Marines. Yeah before you met Journey so much time and stature before you let it go any crazy stories in the Marines the well I first combat. Appearance was in Somali in the Marine Corps. And you know, like I said, I was really really really motivated. I took to the discipline in the Marine Corps like a fish to water. I really enjoyed my time there and but I was artillery I was never anything cool like, you know, Recon or Force Recon. They didn't have MARSOC back then but and you know, I just thought that I just loved it right being in a uniform and having a bigger purpose to serve them myself in some place to be every single day. And there was there was something easy about it, which I would a lot of people thought was difficult about it. Thought was easy and like okay. Well we have to be here at 5:30 in the morning. Yeah be clean-shaven. We gotta be in uniform got ever boots shined got a you know this a long my belts got to be your fucking clean shaven now, I can't believe it. Yeah. Well, I enjoy hot water and razor man, you know, I mean, so me too. Yeah, they're don't get me wrong. I love a nice hotel these days. I mean, I gotta tell you I love a cush five-star hotel. I can sleep anywhere. I'll go sleep in that Creek tonight. You know, my wife Naked and Afraid was on she got sucked into that the other night and she's like would you Do that and I was like no I was asked to do that show and I said, you know, I wanted my dude. Yeah, you lose like 20 pounds. I'm not doing that shit. I struggle enough to keep weight on this Frame. So but the me just doing that once every 60 days. I know he's in his fucking saying God. He looks gorgeous to I Love You Leslie Gordon, it's you I love you. Mr. Edgar. Yeah. Yeah, so that's the thing. Yeah, you know what, you know how to be hard when you need to be. So what made you make that jump or what led you down that road to make that transition and did you? Transition straight out of the Marine Corps. Did you get out of the Marine Corps? And then decide I'm going to join the Navy. I got out of the Marine Corps and have the join the Navy. So a lot of I get hit up all the time through DMs and oh, hey, man, I'm gonna do it inter-service transfer like you didn't like no, there's no such thing. You know, there's there's that rumor that you can do it inter-service transfer and just leave one branch of service to the other but I can I can assure anybody listening that's not going to happen. So that dog don't hunt. It does not ice cream for Battalion Recon when I was in artillery past everything I came in first place and I but I just Couldn't go because my MOS wouldn't allow me to leave and go to reconnaissance and had they said yes, I highly doubt I ever would have left the Marine Corps and I was super belt-fed had behind Titan. You would not have been sitting here with two real live Navy Seals. Then amazingly talented good looking for just hotties. Yeah, just blew a guy a kiss. I don't know what just happened there. That's okay. Sorry film. They saw it. No big deal. It's happened before. Hello, Chris Pratt. Yeah. Okay. I suck one movie star off and I get shit. Or it's no big deal. Yeah, it's not gay if you love them. Yeah, but if he if he's a Hollywood star. Yeah. Yeah, we may have to retract that. But so Ryan serhan not a chance. So, all right, so you got out and you have decided to make this trip so you didn't make it in Recon. You got out and decide to make this transition, right? So I'm going to follow my dreams what I want to do in the first place and you know about six months out from my EOS then You know my my little local career counselor, right? They little guidance counselor. So to speak went and talked to him and I was like look man. What am I real options here? And he's like well, dude, you can re-enlist and I'm like, is there any type of bonus? Is there a kind of even go to fucking jump school? They're serious squeeze like know your artillery. You have zero need for a school like that and I'm like, so this is it not so I'm like, that's all you got for me. I've hit the top of the mountain. I just got to keep raising the flag higher on the pole, but the fuck dude and he's like, yeah, this is Jimin, you know and but I wasn't, you know, like I said, I hadn't even hit four years yet. I was already a sergeant. I'd already become a section chief in artillery, which is the highest job there. Unless you become like the battery gunny or you know, as you know, that that was it man. I was already kind of peaked in less than four years. Yeah, and there was a master sergeant who knew that I wanted to do something special operations. Nobody knew I'd like past the Recon in Dock and all this stuff and he was a super cool guy and he And he pulled me out one day I was talking to him and he just pulls me out and he's like look around you write it. We're out unlike the parade deck right of the the unit. He goes look man. He does these buildings have been here since I was your age. He has nothing will ever change he goes you you're at hoping the Marine Corps becomes something different like it's gonna change for you because I can assure you that is not designed to change for you. You're here to serve it. It doesn't serve you so you can get the fuck out and Chase your dream or I can assure you 20 years smell if you go in there was like older guys Gunnery Sergeant staff sergeant goes look at all those windows. Look at those fucking losers, man, and he liked and he leans into my ear he goes and I'm one of them. He goes I never got out and did what I wanted to do. He goes, dude. Let me tell you something man. You have the opportunity to change your path in life. He goes he goes. Let me just break it down. She kills do any of those guys drive a car you want and I'm like no now that I think about it goes. How about this? Would you ever fuck any of their wives or girlfriends and like know their ugliest dog shit? And he goes That's you you going to be different. He goes all those guys were you they thought they were going to be at that fuck the hot chick Drive the cool car and they don't their lives. He's like that's it. And I was like, that's the speech. He goes That's the biggest reality speech and he goes, I'm the only Marine at my ranked 11th tell you to get out and do something different if you know and he said what's the worst that can happen? I'm like, well, what if I don't make of these buds, he's like well, then you'll be in the fleet Marine Force. He goes you'll be in the fleet chipping paint. He goes That's a shit job. You'll never know if you don't go then lights is think much like that. So many people sit idly by watching life passing by Looking around and if they just took a step and they looked at, you know the schlubs next to him. Sure. Yeah, that's going to be me so dude go after your dreams. So you did it you took at lunch and it was in so I made the announcement if you wanted to think is there like oh Sergeant osmo. Are you going to re-enlist when you enter a list and everybody thought for sure I was you know, I used to have a saying 30 if you like it 20. If you don't I was like dude, I hate this shit. I'll do it for 20 years. If you like it you're you know, stay for 30 like this is this was the path of my life and I remember telling him like Hey, I'm actually getting out. Join the Navy and you thought I'd drop the like suitcase nuke in the center of the Battalion. So I get you know, get called into my CEOs office and I'm standing there at attention, you know, just getting my ass chewed and you know, I remember telling him like well sir, you know the thing is is that you're you're only going to be here for another two years. I'm here for 30 years. If I say, yes. This is it. I'll never leave this unit here at I mean I may get stationed a different. Artillery and yeah the fuck does that even mean and I'm like every three years you're a different command you get challenged you get to move up in rank. You know what I mean? I will never have that opportunity. Yeah, and my first sergeant was flipping out and he's like, I can't believe he's screaming at me. He's like, I can't believe you would leave the Marine Corps to join the fucking Navy and Bubba Bubba bottom like well, I'm joining the Navy to try to become a Navy SEAL. Yeah. I mean he's like, but you know, what about the Marine Corps don't you like and I'm like this process and he's what he's like. Well I'm like while making a decision that will benefit. Me and you're mad about that because it doesn't serve you because you think I should be doing something else with my life. And I said, but I said are you going to you know, what happens when you leave the unit 2 years now you get transferred now what? Yeah now I've just signed on to make you happy today. So you stop yelling and I'm like, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. And that happens with everything when I got out of teams to start doing my Consulting same thing. I had someone that you had an issue with years ago. Over something will not going to bring his name up. It was like he was going to be my old Pou Never Gonna amount to anything. You're going to be this that and I was just like, you know, what big fuck you I didn't say it to him, but I was just looking there Roger that and we'll just say double tap. I'll leave it at that and I just said fuck it. So I love the fact that you said fuck it. You join the team's right. How long do you doing teams? Seven years seven years kicked ass, and he any good deployments Afghanistan right after 9/11. So I deployed six days after 9/11 see that see I knew. That's awesome. So again, you're doing combat deployments again. I love it. Yeah, seven years. Okay, you have a great career great. You got a great reputation teams. I tell you right out to your face. If you didn't I would I don't we go outside and call. I don't think I'd be sitting here if I had a ship. Yeah, I agree. So my point is there comes seven years later. What made you this is what I think a lot of people when here just like me what made you want to get out and go after it become an entrepreneur which sure guys team guy if you're in life, Every day you get up you're not tripping or you know every day that you get up you put your pants on you could fall you're taking it has it been an entrepreneur. I think you know, we've talked about it with bedrooms. I mean it it's it's the special operations of business. It is six that same mind. Does he in Relentless working your ass off all the time that you know fighting the doubt. So yeah, what made Chris? Oh go. You know what I've had enough of being the elite and now I want to go attack this new Venture. What was it? Yeah, so I had started tag in 2001 again. As you know, I'm a gear geek right and pursue those who don't know. Can you tell people what tag? Yes tactical assault gear? Thank you and wanted to do it was a manufacturer in reseller of tactical nylon products. When I first heard I wasn't had a retail shop and I was selling other people's products. So the big brands that I was selling black hawk eagle, London Bridge paraclete specop brand Benchmade. So Camelback mechanics where I mean all these guys, you know, so for those out there that dark Military, I mean we were all kinds of gear, you know, we have our body armor and then you have gear that carries your weapons and ammunition and radios and all that different stuff. We have shit tons of first second third line. Yeah, exactly and it's big business. It is business to supply the military and specifically to supply Special Operation. So and there was nothing down in our area right? I mean in San Diego and Imperial Beach or there was nowhere no shop that you could go to and walking and go. Hey man, I need it. I need a padded belt. I need a rigger's belt and you know, whatever JV brights didn't count for Our greens and other camos. Okay. Yeah, just Jackal. I was actually really close to them background the same stop shopping center right on the corner anyway, so they could you start your 60 pixels right right near Mike Martin and everyone else. I love it. And so, you know, I open this retail story with $23,000. I had saved in the bank and you know, it was 13 Grand that I had in personal savings and I went to Wells Fargo on Orange Avenue in Coronado walked in and I was like, hey, I'm gonna buy a motorcycle. Can I get a loan and with my credit score they gave me a 10 thousand one person alone and I didn't buy a bike. I use that to open the business and that was like my opening ordered a black hawk and The Grid wall for the walls and the cash register and display cases and shit. And when I was at work, my dad was in there because he's retired. So he was in there building the store out for us. And I mean, I literally do nothing. I didn't know what the fuck a business license was. I remember when I first time I called Mike know who founded Blackhawk that blew up me sold at things like a hundred thirty million, but remember I first called him on his on his cell phone waiting. Yeah, hashtag winning. Hey Mike, you know we love you. We love you. We love to have you on bro. Yeah for a small fee. He would be that his story is amazing man. I mean he you know, it's pretty cool like what he did and you know, you know people say I was the first like Frogman aren't you worried about that dude, led the charge on that shit for sure man. Yeah. So this is something I don't think I've ever asked a frogman on here because you're a plank owner for a couple things and again your business did very well. I'm not going to get into dollar amounts, but This is the question. I have you start off with 13 Grand, right? You're great. 23 23 Grand. You have 13 you got the $10,000 and I apologize you turned this into a seven-figure business. Yes. What was it? Like when you realize that you hit seven figures, I mean because you know, I'm everybody's that's everybody's going on my goal here see seven figures and ever we're looking at you right now looking up to you. What was it? Like, I mean, were you like you put your looking at your like wow the fuck did that guy? I am like wait a minute. You gotta be shitting me. Guy no fucking way. He must be lying. How did you how did you do it? And what did it feel like I mean did you go? Okay. I'm here. I'm where I want to because you grew even from there. You won't even bigger and did and was you to grind or did it did it kind of pick up steam and then suddenly it was like, you know, well, you know, like I said, it started out as a hobby and then when I deployed after 9/11, I was using all the stuff that I was selling in the store and like what the team was issuing us, right? I mean you guys remember the day of they issued us a ton of equipment mode. Then you still went out and bought your own or you modified your own shit or you spray painted it. Yes. Well, I mean we covering this breaking on 11/11 we have like yeah, you got decent gear but it was like so, you know during operation enduring training when nothing was going on this pre 9/11. You know, you're just fucking you know, you guys are diving neck. You know, you mean your next block of training is diving. Oh our gear has to be black. So what are we doing? Route Back rattle canning our shit, and you remember my At one time I had to leave his house. I'm like a Sunday afternoon. I go ahead guys. I got to take off I get it down to the command. My mom was like what you mean? You gotta go. It's Sunday and I'm like, I gotta go spray paint my gear. She's like what I'm like, yeah. My dad is like wait a minute. I thought you guys liked the elite best of the best tip of the fucking spear. I'm like, that's more like the shaft. I'm like, no, we really do have to paint her own gear and you know share batteries and share night vision. This is you know, pre 9/11 type years, you know, seven Charlie's were the big thing. Remember? Yeah. I got a picture with Parish. Shove it on. Yep. Yeah. The first time you saw like, yeah the like by no. Yeah guys that's actually had a little bit of night vision and that's old school night vision guys, nothing like the quads or the elevens or set all that dad's old school shit here that we can sit around and talk about. Yeah. Well the days before they even had a mount that went on your helmet like you wore that stupid ass like head nap. Yeah, but catch you were in Matt's yeah, I think that's exactly where I'm at. So, you know what? I was selling all that gear from all those different brands and I'd been in business about six or seven months. And just a couple days before I graduated Marine Corps scout sniper school, you know 9/11 happens and you know next thing, you know, we're all gone and War but when I was overseas were using all this stuff and I just started sketching on a notebook. Hey God would fix this. I would change that, you know and all the you know, again the stuff that we did the training that we did the amount of mags would be carried frags all that was based on Theory. Yep, right and if you look back and I know you guys remember these these Conversations they like transcend coasts, but you would see pictures of Team guys in Vietnam cross bullets fucking knife hanging off one canteen couple mags. Oh, yeah and somehow they built the reputation the SEAL Teams and you never once heard them say man. I wish I had another 40 pounds of shit on. Yep. Yeah somehow our generation became. Hey guys, we're trying to fight Black Hawk Down three times. So everybody's got to have 10 mags two frags to spandex. You were just loaded down with so much. Stuff then we get into real war started wrestling back down by slim way back down now guys want to wear a loincloth and a river rock in her life. I'll just call in an air strike five magazines. That's what we're caring and Iraq love it. Uh, yeah and you know, so when I came back I wanted to change the gear that was being that I was already buying. So I started calling around the companies, you know. Hey, would you guys consider making me 50 of this would you and no one said yes, you know and you know it not because they didn't like me or whatever but you think about the volume of the time, you know, their businesses are now exploding to so I'm like, oh, hey man, can I buy 50? They're like, hey man, we're selling 50 of that an hour you mean so, you know, I didn't just I didn't have the finances to just bankroll, you know, what $30,000 purchase order for an idea, you know, so what was that timeline that you finally decide? Well, I'm gonna start making my own stuff. What was that timeline real quickly from that to where you actually sold the company? Yeah. So was in Want to see my business I started making like legitimately with my own label around 2002 Midway, but after I came home and I found a little so shop in San Diego and and took somebody else's product in their right and gave it to him and asked him if they could sew it up and he says yeah man come back in two weeks and I came back and I literally couldn't tell the two apart and I was like hmm. Well, how much is this? And you know, he's like, oh 75 bucks and I was already paying like a hundred and seventy five dollars for the other one game on game on. Right. Yeah and guys would come in and they say and in the the the customers really what drove me to have my own brand because they would walk in and say hey man, you have a rigger's belt. I don't and it just started kind of clicking with me that no one said hey, do you have a Blackhawk workers built? You have an eagle rigor? They just wanted a rigger's belt. Yep. And so I'm like I'll just take out one eyes literally started taking out one item at a time. That was it. I just started taking shit off that that was popular in selling it and took it to that shop and had it made and they got to the point where I needed to sell, you know Manufacturing. My own cost and so I opened up a thousand or 1200 square foot little box. Yeah, it had a couple sewing machines in there and you know 200 foot extension cords plugged in the bathroom. We need to have electrical in the building and you know guys were just showing up stuff for us, you know, and we were just hanging in the store and sell it. I love it. So you built this multimillion-dollar company. Can we agree on that? Yes, you sell it. Yes. Boom. Now you own a new company. Can you talk about that real quick and what your mission is with that with rugged? Yeah with fucking rugged. Yeah, so I keep saying yes rugged.com. Yeah, that's right. So I see that's what that's called a plug. I just plugged you. Thank you. You can charge me. I'll charge after I'll take out the other plug later that's called marketing. Yeah marketing. That's a marketing plug. Not a anyway. The other one is not the plug. You're talking about my favorite butt plug. Yes, so all right. Well You know the last thing I wanted to do, you know for the listeners and when I sold tag and 2010, you know had a hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty employees the warehouse the manufacturing building is 23,000 square feet. So, we you know blew up into this huge thing. I had three retail stores one in Fayetteville, North Carolina to in San Diego, you know, as you know, a hundred and seventy-five dealers around the world and it just was this crazy monster this crazy animal and it literally overtook my life. It consumed my entire life and You know, what as I sat back thinking about doing gear. I wanted nothing to do with it. I really wanted to retire out of the industry. Yeah, but I have the same cell phone number. I've never changed it since like 2002 but the phone rings. Hey, man, I want to buy under this. Hey, do you can you do this a time? I am kind of retired and my wife was like, you know, obviously you still love it you talk about it, you know, which is a great lady don't cut you off. I love your wife. I met I can't lie. I love your wife great energy. Yeah Raleigh got amazing. Yeah, we got to get the families together. But yeah, I I mean to cut you off but whenever you talk about Dynamite ladies, I got to throw my distance and she holds me accountable man. She's like, yes, she does. She doesn't seem like she you know, the long-haired Admiral like we talked about. Yes, it look like she puts up with anything you to be married to people like us and I can say that you got to have a I'm not I said bitch. You gotta have a strong woman because don't cut that out bitch because my wife will kill me. There's Spartan Queens man. Yeah. I know you love it. It's a great. I thought that yeah thing in my book. She was a Spartan wife. Yeah. So so what led you to create? Rugged what are you doing now how to cheat or find you? How do they get your gear? And why are you making rugged gear? I just like tactical. Nylon. I don't know. It's a passion of mine in my life. I hate to see that I'm good at it, but I'm decent at it. I'm sure you have a feather Jose, Canseco. I know just how I'm going to Cochran was Velcro on it. I love it. Yeah, this is cutting it off when your discomfort Zone back quick release on their I mean, you know, it's all the same stuff. It's just different products. So I didn't want the big thing. It was that I really identified a gap in the in the industry. Right all of us in that space have crazy-ass retail prices only so they can give dealers 40 to 50% off and I'll use a A name that everybody will recognize 511 right? Okay. None of it's made in America, but it's a huge brand. They probably do a little over four million a year in sales. And but when I was a 5-11 dealer I would get their product at 50% off. So whatever price you see online are nice place you see in the store a dealer of 511 is buying it at 50% off that price but 511 is still making a killing off of it. Yes. So landed there 511 pant that everybody's familiar with his probably around 14 to 16 bucks. What do they sell? For well over 50 probably over 60 dollars in this point. Whoo. Yeah, we all the markups. Yeah, but they use that but it's not to their fault or any businesses fault right? There has to be revenue generated to create marketing to create branding to car to go to the SHOT show to fucking fly to a meeting to hire all these sales reps to have people in there taking all the orders to do, you know, I mean, so who inevitably pays for that is the end-user not the company right? My the people who bought tag paid for my marketing they paid for my Catalog they paid for me to go to the fucking Shot Show. They paid for $1,200 steak dinners. And I said, you know man I've done that so many times do I really need to do that. And is it really really fair to the end-user? Right? I just got smarter over time. And so with rugged what I want to do is keep it aligned very very small maybe like 15 to 20 items demos, but it's stuff that people use every single day right? But now it's only marked up 30% more than I paid than I it cost me to make it to make a gotcha. So if it cost me 10 bucks Make something you will see it for sale for right around 15 bucks because there's a 30% margin a couple dollars for shipping. So all the pricing includes shipping. It's you know, so when you bite it Click Boom because my car you're laying it out there. You're telling the listeners right now. Listen, this is what I pay. This is what you're going to get a I love it. No. Yeah, and it's and it's kind of a wake-up call to our industry into the consumers like hey man a plate carrier and you know, it doesn't need to cost for $95. It really doesn't write I can tell anybody listening right now man. If I was to make a hundred play keris tomorrow, I'll probably be like on Third and 20 bucks my cost like the baddest fucking plague here that's out there about a hundred twenty bucks and yet they retail for $400. So and the newer stuff out that's laser-cut, right? Everybody sees all the lasers. That's that's even cheaper to make because it's a laminated fabric. Right? So you've got likes a hundredweight nylon laminated to a rubber for layman's terms at a lasers cutting it. Well, there's not a human beings sewing those Molly rose on their this laser is literally cutting a hundred slices in that. In under 5 Seconds. Wow. So where is your so it's really really cheap but because it looks space-aged right? They're like, oh you're paying for the technology and it's just another way to just hyper gouge the consumer and I just think it's bullshit computer Sweatshop. Yes, that's never been said before those those poor lasers has poorly those lasers. They must be burned out. So we're coming full circle. Circle and we started out with Clarity. So what is the future that you see with rugged? What is your Clarity? What is the clarity and future for Chris Osborn? The the clarity that I had is that my happiness is not from money, right? There's a lot of Rich miserable motherfuckers good lot of Rich miserable motherfuckers out there. We see it every single day, you know my happiness comes from my I guess my inner joy and like no stress. And doing something that just I enjoy right. I really do like enjoy manufacturing designing and providing products to people but it's but it's something that is a livable wage in my biggest goal in life. It hit me one day. Like I said man, when I started this whole drug thing was the my end state is to never ever ever work in a corporation again, because I did that I sold tag and I was working in the corporation for on and off like four and a half years Ambassador. Yeah, and it was miserable there. That's that man. That's the entrepreneur Spirit. Yeah, real master. I mean, yeah, you know, I got big goals. But the thing I love most I tell people about his the freedom as an entrepreneur if you want to go, you know to Kids game if you want right take a day off. Hey man Nothing Stops you from doing it other than the grind of work other, you know? All right, right. Yeah, but you have to have self-discipline to be an entrepreneur because no one's going to do the work for you. But everybody will say oh money is time time is money time is time is precious time time time time time. Well, if I control my own time. I'm on the richest dude in the world. Yep, because that's a one thing you'll never be able to replace right you can't. Yeah, so so quick question to wrap this shop is you know, you know a lot and we could spend hours on the entrepreneurial speaker. I would love to gotten in too deep into the especially retail. I mean, I learned a little bit about retail running wounded where it's a hard business. It is trying to manage your overheads inventory control all that I guarantee there's a lot of He's out there. So will you ever make yourself available as a consultant entrepreneurs for lower-level business Consulting because you have a wealth of knowledge man if they wanted it, I'd absolutely help them out. Okay. Well, where can they find you if you ever if they were ever looking for you rugged.com, they get also find me on Instagram rugged underscore. I mean, I'll give out my personal cell. It hasn't changed since 2002. You want to call me at six one nine two one zero five nine five six. Please. Don't blow me up with dumbass questions and dick. Folks ask what she's wearing. Yeah, there's another plank owner. There's one of just giving out their personal number. I love it. By the way. Chris doesn't have pants on under the table you guys and he doesn't that's right. I'm dropping him off. Yeah, so, all right, man, we'll listen brother. Thank you so much. This has been a great interview. I mean dude, you have walked a crazy path. I mean, that's the reality from where you were when you were younger to a millionaire to you know, Marine seal, and now really content and building a smaller business but one that Really that you have the clarity. So yeah fucking humble yet still so fucking hungry. That's what I love about you. Yeah, you're hungry for Success doing it your way. Yeah, but I mean it took a lot of fuck-ups as you guys know, man. It's a lot of you know, the success in this world is all built upon mistakes, right and I made plenty of mistakes. I've enjoyed the successes and maybe I didn't take enough time off to really embrace the like success. It was almost like okay, I did it and then it would just rhyme was more a grinding so I definitely Defaulted there. But again, you know, the humility comes from the community that we come from. I mean the things that you know are brothers have done in some of these things, you know, you go to these monuments and you see all those gold stars on there and it's like hmm. That's real sacrifice. Yeah that yeah, I mean that's you know, and you know, they still here. Yeah, I think that all the time. Yeah, so I'm just a lucky dude and you know, I keep getting luckier and luckier, I guess and it you know, the fact that people, you know, give me their time, you know, I don't want You you know disregard how valuable their time is. So I tried to you know, listen to people help people out and just you know be there. I love it. I love it. All right. So let's yeah, man, let's wrap it up. So we normally do are two minutes and motivation to close out the show. So rare you want to lead off today. You know what since we've got three frog men on here and I'm the best-looking Frogman. I'm going to let you two take it because I'm actually learning from you Clarity is a word that I'm still trying. NG to master so I want to just you two. I think I've got a little bit better Clarity on life than I do right now. So instead of not being a bitch I'm owning up to one of my deficiencies. Let me know. Let's give it to me give me two minutes of how I can better have Clarity in my life. So this is just a shotgun of the word. You just stream of Consciousness Cascio. Whatever what is clarity mean to Chris Osman to close out the if you want it directed towards you you directed backwards to the listeners. Yeah. A lot of people have the same thing. They just don't The balls to look them in the eye and say that right? Well, the first thing I would say is to own your own truth, right whether it's positive negative, right the freedom that I that I enjoy right, you know, there's plenty of people who can talk shit about me or you know, all this guy that girl whatever but but I just own it right if I fuck up. I just go home. I got mad. I can't believe my XYZ. So it takes away anybody else's ability to control me. So somebody's gonna write something negative about me. They're like, yeah, but he already said that about himself right? So there's no there's no way. We're for anybody to go right those that try to hide behind some falsetto of you know it you see it every single down Instagram, right? Like people are you know, they take a million pictures make sure it's the right angle. Just fucking take a picture right that is who you are. That's what you look like this but you eat, you know, I mean, it's you have to have a lot of self-reflection in order to be clear to be somebody else's reflection, right? You can't be fucked up in your own life and be like, you know, it's like a marriage counselor, right? Imagine the marriage counselor. We'll do a divorce. It's like I know it's like come on man. Like you're a hypocrite Yeah, it's you're just a living fucking hypocrite, right and no one's a saint in and that's the thing people have to understand. So I've literally snapped one day and it clicked for me in my mind was at a man. Everybody is as fucked up is me if not worse. So I will never judge another man for or a woman for their sexual orientation drug use drinking, whatever just don't be a piece of shit, right? It's like don't beat your kids that hard. Amen, sometimes you got choking motherfucker out. God bless Chris Kyle. Yeah, but, you know be humble in your approach, but I would say the clarity and what you're trying to accomplish in your own life, you know what I mean and fix yourself and be a continuous Improvement stage and just non-stop like, you know, just keep doing it. You know like I'm a fat fuck right? I told people is 90 Day Challenge of one day. I woke up was like man. I really let let my shit go. You look good now brother and it's you know, I don't want to be that guy that shot share this like, oh, yeah, man when I was in the team's but this huge gut right embarrassing the community. It's like bro. You couldn't last a minute of Buzz right now and you're telling Bud stories. It's like at least look the part fuck so, you know, don't talk about it just be about it. It's that whole, you know realization that you're not perfect and everybody's deficient in some way. So why not just do what you didn't in the team's right. You showed up there on a mission right? You shut up there for a reason you were in charge of something. Well that doesn't change when you get out of the military in somebody's not telling you to do it, you know. Amen. Yeah. Yeah the show that's it bro that bills Clarity. I mean, I don't think you said it so ya know thyself and drive forwards. All right, man. We'll listen brother got a hard an honor to have you on once again. Rugged underscore on Instagram and R RH U GED rugged.com. So what an awesome episode 3 Team guys together. Yeah pulling out of microphone for that. So, all right, man, we are going to wrap it off. We have nailed this show and this has been the overcoming conquer show. 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Hey everyone, and welcome back to practically zero waste a podcast for making zero waste living as practical as possible. What has been the highlight of your summer so far. Was it sprawling in a park with a plastic free picnic? How about attending a garbage free Festival? How do you celebrate summer without creating a necessary trash? Today's episode? I chat with Rob Davis a festival organizer for the puber Folk Fest celebrating their 30th Anniversary this year Rob shares all about the Folk Fest is Eco team the dishwashing station and they're reusable dish program for all of their food on site. Yeah, if you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you'd leave us a rating and review on Apple podcasts and hit subscribe on whatever you're listening platform is for more weekly content. If you'd like to send us questions, you can send an email to practically zero waste at gmail.com or find me on Instagram and Facebook and practically zero as pod and it can like a support the podcast you go to Anchor dot f m / practically zero waste and at the store ready to make every Festival December as green as possible. Let's go. So, what is the Folk Festival in the weekend? Like a general summary of what kind of music it is and how long it's been going. Yeah, and the name folk. I mean for a lot of people really evokes singer-songwriter, you know girl with guard guy with guitar and we and we do that but we're very diverse Festival to the point to some people suggest we should maybe change our names we do World music. We do lots of indigenous. We do rock we do reggae we do all do all sorts of things Bedouin sound Clash came and played last year. We have A Tribe Called Red This year I'll clean Edwards Matt Mays and so, you know, none of those are necessarily that the singer-songwriter genre and we do a lot of that as well. But we're very very broad long. Has it been running for this is the 30th Anniversary. Mmm-hmm. We're so proud of that. Yes. Oh, that's wonderful. How big is the festival? What's the kind of turnout for each of the days? We estimate we get about ten to twelve thousand people on site for the outdoor portion of the festival. Wow, which is where we do our Eco team dishwashing station and that sort of thing that we're going to talk about but we also host year-round concerts. So before the festival itself, we have two shows this year at Market Hall Thursday night and Friday night Thursday night a fantastic Juno award-winning indigenous performative William Prince. He's absent heard of him. Yes. It's from Manitoba. Yes. He's playing the Market Hall of Thursday and we have Donovan Woods. Also amazing on the Friday nights. I mean, we have to opening concerts and then the Saturday Sunday August 17th are free festival and there was a local park where we have the dishwashing station and all sorts of green initiatives as well as bring a community together through music. This is just a totally different topic for us on the podcast. But Community something that we talk about all the time I've ever single episode because it's so valuable in Grassroots initiatives like zero waste living like trying to produce Kevin Perkins. Carbon emissions so it all comes from the same place. How exciting is it in Festival season comes the build in the - and finally at the festival weekend. Yeah, and it really is building and our attendance is the building each year past five years in particular. It's really been scaling up. We could be getting more and more visitors coming and staying in Peterborough for the weekend from all over North America as well. As you know, people who walk across the street or live across the river or whatever take a bite. Your own bike trail, which we also encourage, which is also consistent with our sort of green theme our location for the outdoor Festival is Nichols oval Park. The address is 725 Armor Road, but the stage the main stage which overlooks the otonabee river. It's a beautiful setting backs right onto the rotary Trail. So biking and walking and walking trails anybody who's downtown Hunter Street, you can start the iceberg male house the rotor and tail comes right up to the park. We've been encouraging cycling and walking and Alternative forms of transportation to the festival for a bunch of reasons. One of which is a shortage of parking that's become a real pinch point, but it's also in keeping with our sort of community-minded green theme and being a free Festival. We really welcome, you know parents with young kids who can maybe look come out for an hour or two will go to the Children's Village and do some crafts, you know, come and see Fred Penner, whatever you don't have to buy a $150 ticket stay all weekend. Could just come forbid if you like as well and this year. We're actually working with bike that great Peterborough Community bicycling organization. Right? Yes, and we're actually expanding our bike rack capacity this year given that we found didn't quite have enough last year. We have bike racks both at the top and the bottom of the hill, but we're going to have more available this year and valet parking as well for books for fashion. So All in all in keeping with the green theme of the festival and the community nature of it and trying to encourage alternative transportation is just part of that. I love it. There's a valley so busy your bike that's thanks to thanks to the city of Peterborough and thanks to bike which is providing both the loan of the bike racks and volunteers for about valet parking true for one of the bike locations. So that's you know, and it's really consistent with something we have been doing with the festival in recent years as well. And you know looking to partner with organizations like plastic free Peterborough. It's your always Peterborough and have similar objectives and values and Community minded folks. There's so many different ways to partner. Yeah, and Peterborough is just such a happening spot for all of these things. Like I love raving about this town but things are happening there because there's so much that easily accessible green options and alternatives for people. Yes, and it's definitely growing is our network of bike paths. Some trails and bike Lanes expands as well bike infrastructure is definitely one of those things that build it. They will come the inspiration for going green. Is that been drawn from other different festivals that you'd look to for the structure and the format of how to make these green changes. I would say it's a several different factors and certainly looking around at other festivals is helpful. Your listeners may have heard of shelter Valley Folk Festival down near Grafton down here at Coburg Ontario, which regrettably Closed up after a good decade long run just a couple years ago, but they made great efforts. We actually acquired some of their dishes and that sort of thing to shop drop down there and pick those up another one that we intend. We're going to lose a blue skies Music Festival. Oh Martha Kingston in the sharbot lake area and it's a different Festival because it's primarily a camping Festival. Hmm. It would be very different. So you don't camp at the Peterborough Folk Fest. There's no camping on site. Tell me a little bit about the reusable. This program because that's something that I'm so excited about because when I go to a festival or to an outdoor concert, what is the main source of garbage that I find and the end majority of it is food. Please not just actual food being wasted but the packaging comes with it the associated but Cutlery bags everything like that. So what have you guys done to kind of address that really the biggest thing we've done by far is to form what we call the Eco team and Nancy nozman to use the coordinator for our Eco team has made great efforts in putting together. The greens Festival we can that way to reduce waste associated with food. So like a lot of festivals we have food vendors on site we try and provide local food options to the extent possible and have a nice variety of food used to be the food vendors would come in and bring all their own Cutlery and their own paper plates and styrofoam containers all that sort of thing both. The city's City would send staff. We would have volunteers are so cuckoo go around picking up garbage and the volumes of waste generated produced in those in those days was really enormous when we see all this garbage going off site wasn't really consistent with who we want to be. Hmm. So we came up with this idea of building a dishwashing station. Yeah of a homemade thing. Yeah, we got, you know kind of laundry tubs held together with two by fours and that sort of thing and we put the I'm up on a bit of a platform to get some up to the right height for volunteers and we have purchased a water heater that we hook up to the hose with water that comes into the dishwashing station to bring it up. Of course, you know for a festival there are health and safety standards and all that sort of thing. So the water has to be a certain temperature we have to use soap and you have to use bleach as well as well as regular clean water. So we have the three sync system and then we have drying racks when they drying racks that another one of our Took it upon themselves to make the festival where we stack these dishes to dry. And then there's a breeze. That's great. It'll dry if necessary. Sometimes we'll set up set up some super fans to help them along as well. That's essentially what we've done. We hook into the Municipal Water right on site there and goes through the hose to the water heater to the dishwashing station and the volunteers are working away there with rubber gloves on keeping everything clean. That's amazing. So you have how many volunteers does it take to run the station? For the station in particular the more the berrier because the more the more volunteers we have the shorter shifts we can run. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sometimes washing dishes for more than an hour can be a tough. Go keeping me want to take a break and so some of the some of the stations for example our beard Pavilion in our merchandise Booth volunteers will have no trouble working three four five hours. Yeah talking to people and selling some merch that sort of thing washing dishes. Oh who wants to watch? This is for like six hours. Right, nobody right? Yeah. So it's one of those things that we would love to have dozens of volunteers there and people need to just sign up for an hour or so and below and it's definitely an area where we are looking for more volunteers. Definitely. Yeah, so we'll be able to put all the information for volunteering who's local to the area or is traveling in for the festival for the weekend. You'll be able to sign up online and be in touch. Absolutely. There's an online sign up and I would even welcome if people don't get a chance to do that. Just if you're at the festival and you think you might be able to spare an hour just come up the volunteer booth and coordinating their will happily take your information and puts you in an hour or two over the dishwashing station. Perfect. Yeah, and there's lots of places to volunteer because at the dishwashing station, there's the washing and potentially drying but then there's also the distribution to the food vendors and the collection and bringing it back to the dishwashing station site. And we do have a few signs upon site to try and encourage people after they use the The dishes to bring them back some people do and some people don't so our volunteers go around and we'll pick up the use dishes and Cutlery and and mugs and that sort of thing from the picnic tables not sort of thing around the site bring the back of the dishwashing station for cleaning after they're dry on the drying racks. We will take a stack of plates and Cutlery and cups mugs and that sort of thing and distribute the back to the food vendors. So the food vendors always have that in the source of plates and that sort of things. So the ones that have been doing this for a couple of years. Years now are probably more aware of what to expect. But when you bring in a new food vendor are they prepared with your expectations that they'll use your your kind of dishes. It's a great question because the food vendors who have been with us before and have seen the system work once they came around to it and love it. Now for one thing that saves them money the money, of course. Yeah just generally show up in a food truck or a booth and the show up with their styrofoam containers and their paper plates and there. Opposable cups and that sort of thing because that's normally the way they would operate these things totally. Yeah, and and so we do speak to them that's quite variable. I would say for the first time some of them are hesitant at first but quickly come around to the idea after they realize saving money and we do have many food vendors return year after year now an awesome. They're very well aware. They love it. What are the plates look like like a divider or they just like a regular dinner plate just regular dinner plates. So Peterborough Folk Festival be being a free Festival is known as tiredly volunteer running. A lot of the things that we have are items that people have donated over the years. So that goes for all sorts of things at the festival everything from some of our sound systems to you know, tables and that sort of basic Festival equipment. Yeah to some of our dishes. So it's a mixture of things that people have donated some things that we have purchased. For example. We spoke earlier about shelter Valley Folk. What caused out a couple of years ago and when they did I drove down there? I was down there for the last day exchange for a donation to their Festival brought back a lot of the dishes and things that they used to so it's just just regular kitchen where for the most part strong thin light ceramic dinnerware is great where we have it. It's certainly a lot easier for the volunteers to carry around and that sort of thing but a lot of us just regular strong dinnerware. Yeah, it's not particularly late, but it's durable. That's great. A lot of festivals don't actually allow. People to bring in things like glass water bottles to their sites because they're worried about Broken Glass if you had any trouble with that like generally just been pretty yeah, we have not and being a Folk Festival and we are kind of a family-friendly atmosphere. So it's different than like a big big three-day Rock Fest or something like that where you know, look at the grounds three days later and there's all sorts of things left to no garbage trucks that drive around there pick everything up ours is not like that at all. It's a family-friendly thing. So nobody's throwing anything. We do have a beer Pavilion right? It's brewed in Oakville and with local Distributors here that we work with who are wonderful folks. And so we have the Pavilion at the park for the weekend becomes Cameron's Pavilion. All right, which is a cement platform with a shelter over my shoulder. And that is the one area that's fenced off. Of course because alcoholic beverages for Cameron's Pavilion. We require actually that people purchase a Peterborough Folk Festival mug, which is standard 14. Outsides sighs mug. Yeah that is reusable and people come back year after year in the same box. So we sell them on site for three dollars just on a break even basis. And so if you show up there without one of those mugs for your first beer, you have to buy one of those and then just going to fill that after that. So that also has cut down a lot on the waist. Could I bring my own cup you can bring your old copy your water bottle to refill water over provide drinking water for free amazing. It's another thing. We you know, Being a community Festival. So what we've done previously is we've had local Loop purchased Rocky Ridge Water available in spigots there and we leave a little donation bucket in case people feel you know, they would like to leave will globalization because we're providing the water for free this year. We're actually getting a water truck renting it from the city. So it's local Municipal Water provided in a truck that does some of the some of the events around town as well. Yes, we're renting that and we actually have a sponsor specifically for the water truck this year then these We're always looking for what its sponsors for all sorts of individual things and we had a water organization offer to sponsor our water this year. It is fantastic. So we're going to have the truck there on site and of course people can refill whatever continually would like for that. So you can't bring your own cup to the Beer Pavilion because you want to have a standard sized vendor that's totally fine. And the thing with your dishes you just using the standard everybody's got their own standard plate and everything if you brought your own, Container do some of the food vendors accommodate putting it in my Tupperware. Oh, I'm sure they would I mean if they're already here at this Folk Festival, you know using reusable dishes they might as well. Yeah the interested in that and then the water bottles you do any of your food vendors sell beverages in bottles, like you people ever buy bottled water from food vendors. So of course, I don't think any of our vendors to my knowledge sell bottled water amazing it yeah because we do have a water truck right? Yes, exactly. Cool. I love that. Does it actually produce any waste like what amount of garbage do you find is produced at the end of a weekend or at the end of a day at this point not a lot. So it used to be that our site crew and the city staff as well. They would spend all day for two days going around picking up emptying garbage and taking it away and the volumes that are produced now are far far far lower. We don't we don't actually measure it but musically quite noticeable huge huge reduction in it. That's amazing. We also have volunteers to share the site is clean after Saturday and after Sunday on Sunday is the festival wraps up. We're putting everything to bed putting everything away wheelies the spatial space under the stage right at the park. So all the equipment goes under there and we call them the park and leave it two days later included. We have at most cases what an operation are there any other areas that you've been thinking? Well, we've been so successful with the dishwashing station and like ballet and everything like are Are you exploring future options for green applying the festival one thing that we have been looking to do and I'm not so sure it's green defying but is to is to arrange for shuttle to get people to the site. Oh, yeah again just to reduce people driving and parking individually. Wow, how about shuttle from the downtown? That's something we have not quite been able to make happen yet. We're still trying for this year, but that's its again is one more effort in that direction that we've been so there's there's always room for improvement. And always always room for learning that would be fantastic because parking is free downtown on the weekends and have people start downtown and then they could catch the shuttle at certain times and I think the music festival in Peterborough has been doing that to there's a kind of this funny old tram thing driving around and it's been shuttling people downtown to the Music Fest me about your merch station. Do you have different things other than the cops that are necessary to enter the beer Pavilion with you have other things things that are rentals instead of final sale if it's stuff like that that might be something to consider amazing. Yeah. So the performers that come to play they'll usually show up a few hours early and bring the merchandise to the booth and We'll send it up and our volunteers will sell that when they come back after the show. Then we were turned the guns on sold Birch and the dollars and that sort of thing to them even so that's really what our merchandise because it's all about and it's centrally located right next to the volunteer Booth. Yeah, but idea of returning things there was just another festivals I've been to as chair rentals. And so you can Branch folding lawn chair for four bucks and then bring it back at the end because then you don't have to Lug that with you if you're walking or biking You want a lawn chair or or I was even thinking of a cups like the the beer cups could possibly be a rental thing if people didn't want to be around for whatever reason who wouldn't want to drink out of a cup like that. All you ready in my household. We have very little cupboard space in my kitchen. So if I wanted to write that for the next year I've ever that's a good idea. There's so many different ideas that I love that you have an Eco team to begin with because that's where this kind of brain. Drumming comes from all year round and then consideration at the actual Festival. Yes, and as Festival organizers were also in communication with the other festival organizations around around the province exactly across the country as well. So for example, were part of an organization called folk music Ontario that helps the big annual conference in the fall, but in the spring it also has musicians and music producers and oh as a describes an opportunity to kind of be seen and it's a network. Yeah lots of performances. Is yes, sir? It's a lot of fun. We also do folk music conference organizers retreat in the spring where we get together and we have presentations. We have meetings and we share all these sorts of ideas. That's perfect. And learning about greeting festivals is absolutely consistent with the sort of thing that we would do with these at these Retreats. That's amazing. Yeah. There's a one website that I found when I was kind of brainstorming questions. It's called Green festivals that CA and they just have so many case studies of of all these I'm Festival. So I'll definitely include that in the show notes for this episode to for anybody who's interested in doing work with their own local festivals or anything like that to be able to see all of the examples of you know, for overnight camping festivals the ones that are you know, struggling to have access to water like maybe they don't have a fire hydrant that's local to or that's on site for them to set up a dishwashing station. What are some Alternatives, you know cigarette butts. What do you do about a smoking area to make sure that that's not garbage? Yeah. That's a great idea. I will definitely check out that site for sure. Oh, yes so many different aspects. So for example in with climate change is becoming more real as well. You have to be prepared in the case of a star so you have to have regulations. So at what point do you decide to tear down the main stage or at least call things off for a while and soldiers emergency preparedness or is Insurance? There's all sorts of things that people don't necessarily think about when they're just going to a music festival to have fun actually things that have to be in place to maintain a good safe operation. What Your best bit of advice for somebody who's trying to work with a local Festival that already exists to join the board or something like that and and kind of bring some more Greener practices to a festival probably a good place to start if they haven't already it's just a tenth of festival and see what goes on in and have a look at things from that perspective. See if there's any ideas or suggestions that may have most Festival organizers. Most of us are volunteers. Most of us are just in it is good Community people trying to do the right thing. Thing and are very willing to take suggestions and ideas. It's different than the big commercial festivals where they've got their operations set up and that sort of thing where I think generally all the folks involved with these sorts of festivals are totally approachable open to ideas. Yeah and happy to have additional people pitch in as well. Oh, yeah, exactly. So volunteer whether providing ideas whether provide donations coordinating area thinking about joining the board at some point. These are very welcoming organizations. That's great and I think that you said a little bit there if you have an idea, I think it's great. If you are also going to volunteer, so instead of just approaching and being like hey, you guys should do all these big changes that require a lot of work Sia. Like you should get involved and start volunteering and year after year. Those changes can be added on or made and join the Eco team join all the different initiatives that are already kind of in place and then absolutely ideas to make it happen yourself. Yeah, exactly the team's that's good. These things happen. Oh, yeah absolutely adding ideas every single year and it just takes people who are passionate about something too, but So dollars are always appreciated for this sort of thing as well only yet, you're able to donate time donate finances to these different projects. And yeah, it all makes a difference. What do you do with the dishes and your dishwashing station during wintertime? You store them along just as part of our overall equipment. So we have staging lights dish washing equipment donation buckets. Well, you can all your tables lots of tables children's If supplies, etc, etc. I'll go I'll go to bed for the winter under the stage. Keep the dishes clean. We're all packed up carefully and in boxes and bagged and that sort of thing you ever learned them to people you have done that several times really and again consistent with being sort of agreeing to to minded Festival. We're working with other Peterborough area festivals and events to try and help one another out. And now that we have the dishes. Of the cutlery in the dishwashing station. We have learned that on several occasions to other festivals. For example, we have a film festival at Peterborough in wintertime called reframe. Yeah, and this year we loan them are dishwashing station and some of our some of our dishes and Cutlery and those sorts of things and they were able to use use that equipment and then we're trying it. That's fantastic. We also have a vegetarian food festival here called vegfest. Yeah in summertime and similar there as well at least that of our dishwashing station. Ian they put up a little Peterborough Folk Festival sign over top of it. So that's it. Hey, we borrowed this from Peterborough Folk Festival and it's all really also consistent with the sort of reduce and reuse thing as well. If that supposing the festival's can share equipment or because we're all at different times. Yes, there's something that one Festival has that would you know something they can Bond other festivals than why not and make a little bit of money for your good so far. We've done it for free. Oh, that's nicely done it. Under the auspices of we've actually set up formal lending agreements just to make sure we returned, you know, right conditions, but in addition to that sort of thing, but we will help each other out. So we haven't we haven't charged anybody in this yet. That's wonderful. So I have been dwelling on the idea ever since we first talked of like well the Peterborough Regional Farmers Market would possibly be able to borrow or lend wrenched. Those dishes from you during the winter because they move into an indoor space in Peterborough Square the mall downtown and then they'd have access to water in there. They'd be able to set up a water heater and do the whole dishwashing station and eliminate a huge amount of garbage from yes super in favor up. Do you do composting it all composting? I don't think is something we have set up yet. That's possibly another area for improvement as well. That's tough. When it's the city itself had I mean it's will composting program. Right? It'd be a lot easier. Yes. I can't we use a backyard composter exactly City Park. I don't necessarily know that there would be a place to take it. So yeah, you'd have to find some sort of partner. That's maybe a farmer or like maybe Trent University would accept food waste from festivals or something like that another area worth looking into I know but it's so Because and seeing what the problem for the farmers market is that whoever is going to accept it has to be able to process all the things in their compost pile. So if they're feeding it to their pigs or the chickens and that means that probably can't contain any sort of animal by-products or meat in there. So what that means? Oh, I have half of my sandwiches that I'm not going to eat for some reason because food waste is ridiculous. You're going to throw it in the compost. Well, that means do I have to separate the the lettuce and tomato and bread and compost that and put the cheese in neutral. Oh, that's just an extra level because I'm trying to bring composting to the market as well. So it's trying to find somebody who would take the compost do they also want napkins. So they also want paper plates like what what can you accept and compost and what can't you because if it was a municipal skill compost system, they could take it off but because it would just happen to somebody right now because that because that's all they can get is super hot and book everything exactly. Yeah who isn't Renew lately in the Green community Global or online or in person. There's so many ways to be green like in my work. I work in natural areas by diversity detection a sort of theme parks and protected areas. So it is in and there's so much good work going on in that way around the world. I think in terms of nature conservation, I think indigenous people and communities are inspiring. A lot huge leaders that we can learn so much from and are beginning to learn from and that's really good to see that start happening in Canada. There's there's definitely some leaders in that area as a group called from digital Circle experts that I very much admire. Where can someone go to learn more about either Folk Fest or you guys online or you on social media? Yes, and yes, so our website is Peterborough Folk Fest.com, and we have links there where people can sign up. The volunteer see what our lineup is some of the musicians performing at the festival watch some video clips donate if the care to donate we are registered charity. Hmm is well speak. We're going to tax receipt for the donations Mmm Yeah. So there's the website and then we have a Facebook page for Peterborough Folk Festival and we are on Twitter and we are on Instagram. So yes, we are out there. That's awesome. We will be able to connect all of that in the show notes and we'll be able to hopefully drive a lot of volunteers. Yours in your direction for especially the Eco team, but if people have other interests in the Folk Festival and there was lots of different there's lots of different places to volunteer. Yeah, we have coordinators in charge of all the different areas, right? So the genest need to Nashville uses who's the coordinator for our Eco team, but we also have coordinator for our Children's Village very proud of our Children's Village at the that's not a few times we have coordinators for Cameron's be Even now we're we persist and we have a coordinator for our Hospitality which prepares food for the performers and for the volunteers which by the way also use all these same disposable or and I'm not just about reusable from from the food vendors. They bring them over. Hospitality area tears will performers and for the volunteers during the ship's they get to eat for free as well. Perfect. Cool is there are any areas that we've missed that you're really proud of you want to share I think just being one of the last remaining free festivals in the country. We're really proud of it anywhere else. This is easily a hundred fifty dollar ticket for this for this weekend Festival. Yeah, we bring World caliber performers the last year we had better ones on class play. Saturday night is that is incredible here. We have A Tribe Called Red. I'll playing for free in a Municipal Park in Peterborough. Yeah, but he can just walk to what we have Fred Penner coming on the Sundial s good for the kids and the parents. Yeah, as a parent all the new buildings get at least the kids for ya. Children and we schedule the festival over the course of the weekend kind of varying through time. So Saturday night's more of a bit more of a rock more of a party. He'll wear Sunday afternoon is very much family children's performers. And then and then we close out with some work on our performers like Kathleen Edwards the matinees. Yeah. We're very proud of how many local artists which is also eco-friendly because it was part of travel it is We also have an emerging artist award very proud of this year. It's the paper shakers are emerging artist of the year. You have to be 30 or under you have to be unsigned from the Peterborough area. You have to be dedicated to a career in music first emerging artist of the year with somebody called Serena Ryder who turned out to be fairly successful. Yeah cool. If you look at the performers and emerging artists for Peterborough Folk Festival, it's a real who's who of the Peterborough music scene. We're really thrilled to cap carry that award on as well. We really do try and promote local talent and you know in with this Festival we provide them opportunities to mix it up and perform side-by-side with national and International International artists. Yeah, and that helps me to make connections as well absolutely need some of the connections through Folk Festival events, including our volunteer after party a couple of years ago connected some local musicians with national musicians and so forth. But they Hemingway's went did a whole tour opening for Joel Plaskett Bill Plaskett initially met at the spill in Peterborough Festival volunteer after party. I happened to be in the right place in the right time. So I was I happened to be the one that introduced them. But yeah, they so mean the connections at this at the Folk Festival and now they record and they toured together and all that sort of stuff. So I love that so much so great. So there's lots of lots of great things besides besides the green aspects of the We're really proud of and sort of building the musical community in Peterborough and Beyond. Well, thanks Rob. It's been awesome. It's pleasure to be here. Thanks so much elsbeth, and thank you for all the work that you do. Thanks again for listening everyone to Peterborough Focus. 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What screams summer time to you? BBQ's? Picnics? Outdoor concerts? Usually the biggest thing these have in common in the amount of disposable, single-use garbage they produce. But it doesn't have to be this way! The Peterborough Folk Fest is one of many examples of festivals making greener changes for the sake of the planet. From encouraging biking and walking to having REUSABLE DISHES for their food vendors, the Folk Fest is making waves in the green festival community! Check them out August 17th and 18th at Nichol's Oval Park in Peterborough and enjoy creating less waste! Check out their website: https://www.peterboroughfolkfest.com/ Join the Eco Team: https://www.peterboroughfolkfest.com/volunteer More info on Green Festivals: https://greenfestivals.ca/ New episodes every Sunday.

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No one can do it for me. And that is from Carol Burnett. And again, very appropriate quote. Miss stuffs her bra for today's show because we have an incredible guest on the show. I was sent her book. and made aware of her by our favorite hypnotherapist Ida, and and I read it and learned so much and of course was so excited to have her on the show today because this is a woman who's had cancer few times and healed herself and worked really really diligently to discover solutions that weren't necessarily available to her without her doing all of the work to find it. So I am really just blown away at how much work she has done and she's really created a road map for all of us in this book how to starve cancer to be able to heal yourself as well. But it's a lot of work and like Carol Burnett said only you can change your life. No one can do it for you. And that's what I talk about and the medical world all the time you can Just lay your health over to one person. You have to be an active participant in it. You have to be asking the questions. You have to be doing your own research. You have to be. Knowledgeable about the limitations of the medical system as it currently stands and know that you have to carry that burden of the rest of it like she talks about in the interview. There's a large chunk that's missing and the sooner. We all realize that there's a large chunk missing the sooner. We're going to get healthier. And take that bull by the horns and do it. And if you can't because you're too ill you need an advocate that's going to do it for you. How long ago did you have access to this book just a couple months ago. So Ida had sent it to me in a link and she said I think this would be really helpful to you and I was like, I'm chilling mom's doing good. I can't read another book right now. I was really like once I was able to catch my breath then I was able to focus on my Staff and so I didn't I didn't read it right away. And then my mom got re-diagnosed and guess whose ass was reading. That book is super fast. And so I think that is the biggest thing to impart on everyone is that there is a missing chunk. It has been acknowledged by people in the medical community themselves. You heard. Dr. Christy Funk talk about it on this up on the show and so today. Jane McClelland is on the show. Like I said, she was only 13 when she was diagnosed with cancer a few years later. It was stage 4 it had spread to her lungs 18 years later. She's alive and well and thriving she's a physiotherapist with scientific training and she was able to examine and digest hundreds of research papers that went beyond any drugs or therapies offered and somehow found a new way to treat cancer one that enhance the best of Complementary and conventional medicine and starved cancerous cells from the nutrients they needed as fuel and she also talks about care oncology, which is a really great resource for people. I feel like if you're new to this and you need that extra help like I filled out the forms. I haven't I never finished it but care oncology seems like a really great place to to start. Yeah a resource. I never heard about Yeah, and so the episode is long. So we're going to end our chitchat and get right to it. It is a Skype interview and we've had Skype interviews before but sometimes we have the little talk thing talk over thing happen. And I apologize for that. I had a couple of coughs also she's in England. She's yeah, she's across the pond. Yes, but and I'm not trying to scare you. Please listen and in there's a Valuable information in there. We're going to talk about chemo brain. We're talking about of course exactly what she did we're talking about her post-chemo plan vitamin C drips and how important those are and how similar and helpful they could be in a way that chemotherapy is the parallels between psoriasis and tumors. If you have psoriasis you want to re you want to listen to this as well. If you're even type 2 diabetic her findings were from other. Ailments that she applied to her cancer. So there's a lot in here that's helpful for a lot of things. So I hope you guys find it useful. I really recommend her book how to starve cancer because there's gonna be a lot of stuff in here and you're going to be like taking feverish notes, but it's all in the book and we will put all the resources in the summary for this. So without further Ado. Here's our interview with Gene McClelland everybody Steven here from the booth. Sorry to interrupt for a second, but I have to tell you about Spotify on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including Better Together, which I'm hoping you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are and you can easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. Remember, Marie always says to be nice people make good choices and be present and one of the the things you can do presently is make a good choice to go download the Spotify app and search for Better Together. You can browse other podcasts in the your library Tab and you can make sure to follow us here. So you don't miss an episode of Better Together. Alright Jane. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I came across your book and it's very marked up if you can see and I'm fascinated by your journey and your courage to kind of share it because it's scary. To share alternative methods of healing yourself. And so it was funny a hypnotherapist. I work with about gosh. Maybe it was in July emailed my husband and I and said listen. I know you're always looking for other things. This might be helpful with your mom. My mom has stage four brain cancer and I had the link and I never opened it because I was like my mom's doing great. I can take a break from all the research for a minute and then she got diagnosed with a recurrence. So guess who went right to that email immediately pulled up the link bought the book and started applying things instantly. And so I want to start with of course your story and I want you to explain to everyone when you were diagnosed your whole your whole story just go from start to finish. You've said it a million times. I'm sure so you've probably got it down to a great sound bite of sorts. Well, I haven't decided that many times but I was diagnose initially in 1994 with cervical cancer, which had spread to my lymph nodes. I then went through the normal standard Protocols of chemoradiotherapy had over X hysterectomy. And at this point I was only 30 years old. So I was pretty young and it was pretty devastating because it obviously took away my fertility and I was more concerned about that than I was about dying at the time. It really didn't occur to me that Actually, I had quite an advanced cancer eyes looking very positively at it and just assumed I'd be fine then give every impression by the doctors that I was going to be fine. So it was when my mother died in 96 of breast cancer that I kind of woke up little bit the fact that actually I was anyone stayed away from stage 4 which is as you know, mentally the terminal stage or the final stage. Angel whatever they like to call it say I started to change my diet. I tried to get my mom to change it out before she died. But you know, she left this Earth pretty fast from having told us she had cancer that had spread to her liver and her bones and she she was only around for eight weeks. So it really gave us very little time but during that eight weeks. I didn't awful lot of exploring and hunting and trying to find things to save her. And that's when I came across not just the conventional treatments, but I was working at it and intravenous vitamin C and lots of things like that, but I didn't Implement a lot of that into my I didn't feel that I need to get that point. I changed my diet. I cut out Dairy. I cut out wheat and meet things like that. So and cut down a Mite alcohol and then in 99 I started coughing up blood and as took myself into hospital and they discovered I had a lung tumor in my right lung. So I had a chunk of lung removed and then I had loads of chemo but during that time. I already had my head in a different space because I've realized that you know, that would have been done before was very basic. The treatment I was receiving now is very basic and I felt that there were so many know the body's holistic. You need to look at the whole body and not just a bit of it as having a tumor. You've got to treat the whole whole person and I felt that wasn't being done. So I radical change my diet and then I started looking at supplements and then I veered towards off-label drugs and aspirin was my first plan obviously as a very basic easy to to get it to obtain. And then I ended up having a problem with my blood in 2003 and this is kind of result of the chemo and radiotherapy that I'd had before and once I got to that point I need chemo had actually caused it. So any more chemo was not going to be useful for me. The killer has the blood issue. I think it was probably more radiotherapy. But the combination of the two I had a huge dose and my my oncologist was quite clear to me that she was giving me a massive dose because she felt that I was not going to survive anyway, so and that was really the lung cancer and this blood disorder. Well, the the DeSoto was a result if the chemo for the lung and cervical God I Miss U's and what were you doing for a living? at this time Well fulminate tell us a physiotherapist so happy I did that but and then as soon as I got diagnosed with cancer, I just couldn't face treating patients for a while. It just took me a long time because I couldn't deal with somebody whinging about a sprained. Ankle when I was dealing with cancer. It's just my compassion. I'm afraid just went out the window. I get it. I get it do that and I kind of launched myself into I made a waterproof but stuck on the side of the bath called path Rubik's and I then later on created some toiletries to go with it. It actually one gift of the year. It's slightly different pack of sort of beauty relaxation meditation everything sort of rolled into one and for lasso therapy treatments, which are sort of seaweed-based natural very natural treatments Casino. Parrot. I did this, you know before before it was well known to sort of take out parabens and all these things. That's right. So but you were in the medical kind of profession, so you you don't of into your own case feeling that the regular medical system wasn't enough. I always felt there was a large chunk missing that it was so basic and that we weren't using the proper cocktails. I could kind of see with HIV the way things were moving in that field that there was starting to put together quite effective cocktails and to me they didn't exist in cancer. Yes, you have cocktails of chemo, but this it wasn't the same there wasn't the the approach to Target the metabolism in the abnormal uptake of glucose and things like that to me all of that side was completely ignored in the work of Otto will back in, you know, the 1922 seem to be ignored and to Venus vitamin C clearly had benefits because it you know high doses it produces hydrogen peroxide which a free radicals and these kill off stem cells and it's to me it just seems ridiculous that we weren't. Taking advantage of less toxic therapies and adding those in more to me. Also, I would say that when you think about the regular kind of chemo radiation surgery protocol, it's we're doing all this damage. Why are we not fortifying the body and building the immune system at the same time so that it can handle the toxicity levels that what never made sense in my mind and why I shipped my mom off to Mexico and we Did lots of immune immune boosting therapies and that's why I believe she's here three plus years later with stage four brain cancer. And so I like how you say it a large chunk was missing that makes a lot of sense to me. I like that. Yes, it was and and it is and I discovered what that chunk is, you know in my delving in to my own case and then delving into other people's cases. That the picture has become bigger and bigger because since 2004 2004 was my last time when I have my markers really high and I had all these other things going on, but after that point I started to help other people as well. So I sort of builds up a picture of and I knew that the cocktail that I put together of old drugs and really helped me and I was trying to help other people with Cocktails with old drugs as well and I was you know, it was it just built up a bigger picture of Pathways of where things were being blocked and I've kind of tried to pray they see the Pathways in my book to make it simple. But I mean effectively there are 3-3 macros in the diet as glucose, which is your carb fatty acids, which you're fat and glutamine, which is your protein. Which what your cancer will feed off. So those three things effectively what it will want to feed on and it can use either of those two and it will switch and change depending on its location and the availability of what's around so it kind of started to make more sense to me when I understood the cancer stem cell a little bit more and how it differed from the fast dividing cell, which is what conventional So treatment streets so chemo and radiotherapy only get the first dividing cell and so one percent of your tumor is a cancer stem cell and that's the really dangerous one that gets left behind and it's flexible. It's adaptable it'll change how it feeds it will change, you know, it will somehow become resistant to whatever you've done to it in order to survive and it can just lay hidden right? Like I think that's what I read. Read in the book as excuse me is it can lay hidden like your cancer can be in remission. Let's say everyone can say you're good, but it's hidden and then it pops up again later. Right? Well, it can say it's a bit like a bit like a viral infection which may be shingles or something which can go dormant and then just re-emerges. Okay. It's very much like that and there are triggers and viral triggers can do that actually. With some cancers you see that and you know CMV is actually linked to brain cancer. I'm sure you've explored that. I actually enjoyed having you don't know anything about CMV. Please tell me oh my to make a virus that is linked to brain cancers and Falcons ciclavia, which is an antiviral is sometimes given to if you have an act and they should test really to see whether you have an active. Live with your mum has got an active CMV going on because if she does then the addition of an antiviral will be very useful and it will help keep it damp down and suppressed. So how is that like a blood test reset your later? I know is that a blood test? Okay, I'm gonna do it done. I can send you some info on that if you like, please please do. So you created you were basically your own guinea pig because at that point they were telling you you were terminal, right? Yeah, and then they ended up having this blood cancer, which again was a terminal because once you have myelodysplasia or anything like that from Top, which is caused by the chemo and the radiotherapy there is nothing they can give you for the or nothing that will cure you they you know, they they they don't expect you to survive longer than a few weeks because you've already had that prior treatment which of course wrecks your immune systems. So you are It's less so they expected me to be cast off fairly quickly as a result of it, but slow I am still here. So and the reason for that is because I added in these off-label drugs. So you had the cervical your the cervical cancer that you did the right regular chemo radiation surgery. Then you had the lung cancer which you had the surgery right or so. It's so cool that it spread to the lungs. Yes not. Cancer. Okay. It is just it had spread to a different organ. So when it's spread your TV when it's spread to the lung did you do radiation and chemo again? I did I did emo and surgery. Okay, and then when you got the blood the blood cancer, you said okay enough is enough. I can't do more chemo. I can't do more radiation. And that's when you created these cocktails. That's right because there was very little but I could do so do more chemo is not an option that just would have ruined my system even more so I didn't want to do that and the only the only options I could find were, you know, I just trials are going to go into research and just try to find anything that might give me a glimmer of hope. Yeah, and when I came across how it had helped. The block is on certain cancers. It stopped growth factors. I didn't know about it blocking certain Pathways to which fed the cancer because in fact it's what I knew it stop nucleoside Salvage and that's sort of how the cell sort of grabs little chunks of DNA that might be floating around in the area and engulfs it and recreates new daughter cells by using these tiny little chunks of DNA because the cancer cell is very very lazy. If it can get chunks of DNA pre-made it will use them very efficient. So so what it does is it Ruffles its membrane pulls in stuff from outside the surrounding area and just refashion sort of so creates do it has to have enough macro molecules to some divided into two. So it's sort of swells up has to really increase in size and it you know to do that. It needs fat glucose. Very to me, you know, it needs all those things to create these daughter cells because it's dividing all the time. And this is this is really the area where we just been missing. We complete this as a such an area ripe for treatment and yes, it's been completely ignored for decades to most a century before we get into what you research and you found when you were going through all these different phases. You said you adopted a cleaner diet. Was there anything else you did did you do vitamin C infusions? I did when I when I had the stage for to the lung I definitely started doing those quite regularly. And do you think that I won't? Oh, definitely. I was checking my markers. You know, I had them done regularly to the point where my oncologist with just he just broke me out a whole Sheaf of papers signed and said just go have them taken whenever you like because I was trying to keep on top of what was going on. I was making a graph. I'm charting everything seeing will this work? I was you know, I was experimenting on myself. So I need to know what I was doing was having an effect. And so the Benefits man see I know work because that's my Marcus dropped to the lowest level when I had been trained as bitumen see and that in combination with quite a few supplements which could starve the cancer including berberine. Yeah, which I did, you know berberine. I've had a chart in my book I do. I ready I read the book. So I put my mom on my breast. Yeah because it lowers your glucose levels and glucose is what feeds has cancer yep, that cheap you think about the brain the brain is mostly made up of at and actually the cancer would like to use fat too and the thing about berberine and why it works better than metformin for killing off cancers that berberine has an effect of blocking up some of the fat so actually if you compare metformin and Burberry metformin is a diabetic probe, which is very equivalent to berberine in a lot of ways, they both hit similar Pathways, but Perrine will actually block more fat uptake than the metformin which is why there's more effective in the brain. So it does depend on the location as to what you choose and how much you have of what but you know, it's a matter of just understanding your your tumor a little bit better and you know what it's made up of how it feeds and all of that information. Operation is on Google. It hasn't quite got down to I take all of that information. Actually, we're at Cutting Edge of trying to work out the scientists to try and work out the pathways the metabolic pathways the way it's the way it sort of brings the nutrients and what it really likes to feed on all of those things are being that's that's a sort of The Cutting Edge of research at this moment in time. So is coming out. Yeah. I'm right on the edge telling people where to look and how to find it. So hopefully people are able to glean as much information as they can. Yeah to you know to help themselves what best use yeah. So when you say your markers went down when you say your markers went down can you explain that to people so that they can understand as their likes their people who are listening to this who just got diagnosed and this is all new to them Yeah, so different cancers will have different markers. So colon cancer will have a different one to breast cancer will have a different one to the one I had which was squamous cell carcinoma. Now, they're not very good at they can't really detect faint. I don't think they have one for brain tumors. Do they get don't believe salons don't know. So the only thing you can look at with brain. Tumors is really the LDH which is your lactate dehydrogenase, but the with other cancers. You can look at antigen markers. So this is how the body is reacting to the to the cancer and these Spike and go up the more cancer you have so to start with when I was first diagnosed. Well, they didn't take my markers. They completely ignored that until I had stage 4 they would have discovered. I had stage 4 if they've actually done it a bit earlier so many Things that could have been done better and you were treated in the UK. Yeah and IHS, and the problem with the NHS is the give you all the cheek treatments first. So they'll wreck your immune system with the chemo before you're offered any of the more expensive treatments. You have to sort of earn the right to have that, you know by surviving to earn the right to have more expensive treatment. So it's all back back to front really whereas in the u.s. At least you get to maybe get on some of the immunotherapies earlier like a key Trudeau. It yeah all of that. So yeah, and that's you know, some of those things have been changed being incredibly useful. But yeah for me that those things didn't exist back then anyway, so I would I did with some of the the die pretty model which is one of the off-label drugs that I took is actually hugely beneficial for the immune system because it's not only good for blocking the path ways. It's an antiviral as well. So it was actually back in the 80s. They looked at adding it is a tea for treating 8, so that's and I knew that I had the HPV virus because that's commonly associated the cervical cancer and then you know, I so I thought something that we thought was antiviral as well with yeah, and you find that actually there's a combination of infectious agents. Normally associated with cancer. It's not normally notice one thing but certainly an antiviral to me seemed to be like a good plan. And then the other one of the other things I added was a Statin I use Lovastatin. No, it's only the fat loving statins for like oh Felix patents that are any good. We got a whole range of statins out there, but they're not all beneficial for cancer like a dervish certain though. So two of us that in and Lovastatin and simvastatin a kind of three main fat loving ones and they're really useful for cancer and I added Lovastatin and I've come across some research to show that a non-steroidal in combination with a Statin was five times better at killing cancer cells and on their own. So I added this it was for dulac was a non-steroidal I use which is normally used for arthritis. What's it called? So I added that in at the max a toddler like a toddler lack? It's okay. He's like there's quite a few sort of ketorolac and that quite a few sulindac there. There are class of nonsense or variables. All of those have been shown to be very beneficial to cancer but even ibuprofen and cultural, you know, those are actually quite useful. Is it because it's an entire inventory? There there is that inflammatory trigger, which is the trigger for every single cancer and some cancers and more inflammatory than others for example ovarian and colorectal are highly inflammatory. And so actually, you know, a non-steroidal would be something I would recommend people investigated. They have those cancers adding those in definitely but for me, yeah, I used it because I knew it would attack the blood and Get in there and hopefully do its job, but I didn't know I was going to go into remission. I you know to me at that point I was clinging on and I just really wanted to buy myself a few weeks. How many years is a Bento 14 so so safe to say you did a great job when you're so when you were Sherlock Holmes in this You were adding the bereans. I know you had a doxycycline as well, right? No, I didn't doxycycline is something that is used by the care Oncology Clinic, which is a clinic I discovered in 2015. Okay, maybe I'm getting his similar popped out. The one that I yeah, I used I printable. Okay antiplatelet drug got it so they don't use sadly the Carroll College if you don't use that one as they did, but they don't so okay. That's right. Actually, I remember my hypnotherapist sent me the link to care. As well, so you're a fan of theirs. I am I think what they've done is astonishing. They just tried to you know, in terms of the probably the medical profession is that they need to have their data and they need to have a randomized clinical trials. They need to have studies coming out of every orifice before they'll believe that anything is worth its weight, you know, and that time everybody dies. Yeah, and the problem with these old drugs is they are so cheap and they're off patent and nobody can be bothered to run any trials on them because they're not going to make any money out of it. So they just get ignored left on the Shelf. But what what Karen ecology are doing it, there are effectively asking the patient to fund the study. So everybody pays privately to go and see them it's not extortion it, you know the UK seems to be a bit cheaper than the us. So we pay about 450 I think in the KN I think the u.s. I think is about $800 like a visit. So more expensive for for for Skype got it consult. Okay, they go through everything and they work out the best combination. Not everybody thinks it's the same for drugs in the same dosage. It isn't there. There is some variation as to your type of cancer and how much or what you will have of each and clearly there are some personal. Medical things that need to take into consideration. Yeah. Well, I'm sure they individualize things much more than the regular Hospital would Yeah, so so they try and work out what the best combination for you would be data and that's such a resource on results. Yeah based on results that they're getting so far from from patients since 2015. So you would say there are the missing chunk. That is part of okay. No, it's good to know. If you look on page three one nine in my book. I have my metro map which covers certain Pathways and this is kind of my metro map is kind of being bandied around everywhere because it's it's kind of like the key to starving your stem cells and the stem cell is the really tricky difficult thing to get so What I've done is I've worked at the major fuel lines kind of like the pipeline's like I called it the Metro because it's like the underground system and if you know the cats and can't fuel itself one way you can just use another fuel line and come back in through a different something it can switch from one line to another, you know, something on the other side, so it might not be glucose. It might be glutamine, which is as protein or it might even be a fatty acid. Just to keep fueling itself. And I know people are very very fond of the key stomach diet, but actually brain cancers do feed on acetate quite voraciously and that is a ketone. So you have to be a little bit. Wary ya know if you started with static diet is not necessarily something you should is very good. I think for kick-starting a low GI diet and sort of getting yourself into a good basic pack. No of of eating a low glycemic diet, but actually staying on it for too long. If you got cancer the cancer learns to just feed of what you're giving it if you're not careful, so, you know, you've got to learn to block all those Pathways and actually taking berberine at the same time. As you are if you are on a ketogenic diet is very beneficial because that will stop it's a cheek being taken up. Yeah, I the brain cancer. It's funny we start with my mom and ketogenic diet. We started my mom and a ketogenic diet back. Back three years ago, but I quickly modified it because I thought this doesn't feel right to be pumping her with so much fat or allowing that much of a fat intake didn't seem right. So I just said Mom. I know we're cutting out all the sugar if you want a piece of bacon in the morning. I'm not going to stop you but we are not going to throw heavy creams and all this crazy stuff in there. That's it's not good for anybody. So anything in extreme isn't good. Exactly. I'm a great believer of making it the Middle Road really because actually you don't want to be going extreme on only thing you end up wrecking one system or another exactly. So I just think yeah, so going slowly down the middle path is much more effective than hurtling off the cliff one way or you know, I actually love the road the other way and I think you know, you've just got to go steady. Path and be using a cocktail approach so that you are you know, targeting all the blocky all the puppies. So it doesn't have a chance to rewire all reroute itself. And that's the key is to try and block as many as the key Pathways for your cancer as you can so does somebody help. Well first I want to ask you while you were Sherlock Holmes laying all of this you're adding all these things. Were you afraid of the Her actions what? Yeah, I was I was so did you have like bad drug interactions? I mean I read but I don't remember seeing anything like that. I didn't you know what I had absolutely no interaction whatsoever. I kind of because your liver could have gone into overdose. Yeah, but you know, these are so low toxicity when you compare them to chemo or anything else, you know, metformin statins people take those all the time and you can take those alongside chemo immunotherapies because they're so low toxicity. They're not going to affect the other treatments that you might be on and this is the keys you add them on in addition to whatever else you are taking and that's the important things they build up this cocktail to sort of block the path. Space as well as you know, boosting your immune system will doing whatever else you're doing so that it works in a sort of a myriad of different ways to sort of block the book the uptake of all the stuff it needs to fuel itself. But the yeah, so the diaphragm all antiplatelet drug, very low toxicity metformin low toxicity. It's the safest drug I say, you know, I mean it has the there were I'm concerned about it causing to low blood glucose production. It's been shown to be normal glass in it. So it normalizes your blood glucose. It doesn't drop it down. You could be careful. If you're a type 1 diabetic that doesn't apply but type twos, you know, they take it very safely and then starting is like I said, they're commonly use the Assad like was probably the one that had the most potential side effect because it can give you stomach. It's and things and long term kidney issues to be taking too long. What about the aspirin? So because I heard I was talking to a doctor yesterday and I was telling him about the aspirin and he said you have to have such high doses for it to be effective in cancer. Not true. It depends on the cocktail that you have. So again, if the greater the cocktail the less of each thing you need and aspirin really works best in combination with metformin or berberine because together they will block the fatty acid synthesis pathway, which is a making fat to produce the daughter cells. So you actually need to be having both together in order to block that but if you just Aspirin on its own you won't get that effect. So yeah, you might have to have very high doses to knock off the cox-2 which is the inflammatory side, but that's not really that's part of that's only part of the game. You're missing a really important factor, which is starving the cancer which is kind of where I'm coming from it and starving the cancer is the key to actually getting rid of the stem cell. So it's the combination of the aspirin and the metformin or aspirin and burbling which it was important thing. So it's combinations cocktails of the key and it's not just one thing. If you test one drugs that chemo these massive doses because that's all they're using. It's my numbing Lee stupid to be just using a huge dose of chemo. Whereas he could lower it and be doing a cocktail approach and using a greater number of lesser toxic things in order to achieve a far greater effect. A large dose of chemo to you. What's that is the maximum tolerated dose? So it's the amount they can give you without causing toxic lysis syndrome, which is where you get a breakdown of the cancer is so great from giving you chemo that you put your body into sort of toxic shock and they try and give you just below that level. That's that's the maximum out of this and that that varies depending on the type of chemo and you know your weight and everything else. So yeah, are you for or against radiation? I think it definitely has a place I think stereotactic or you know targeted radiotherapy is a far better option if I have email. And chemo. No, you said it's a far better option far better than what the the targeted radiotherapy is far better than just, you know a general blast with the normal radiotherapy machines which scatter everywhere if you have this 3D machine which sort of fires from all sorts of different angles, you can pinpoint and each each Ray has got a much lower Brad so that you're actually focusing the concentration of the the beam onto just a small area. And you don't get that scatter whereas a 2d which is what they normally use just gives you scatter that way scatter that way and you just affect all sorts of surrounding tissues and you get fibrosis and you get you know, you end up if you are treating the pelvis you get that rare and you get I mean just all sorts of hideous complications. I've seen it in the brain. Not fun. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Okay, so go back through Ooh for everyone who's taking notes crazily who I know will end up buying this book anyway and finding it all in here. What is the cocktail that you think is most applicable to most cancers nowadays if you have one? Okay. Well certainly the top two things. I would add would be metformin and statins and you know, I got a quick that's my chip dent. You can see it. I see it. Yeah, it looks like an ovary with it's funny. Yeah, or would you metformin or berberine because you said berberine blocks more? So why do you say metformin well I say metformin because it's more standardized and you know what you're getting sometimes of natural supplements. You don't always know what you're getting but metformin is a sort of standardized thing. But having said that I would also pulse a bit of bourbon in there too. And I at the moment what I do is I alternate between berberine and Metformin I still take those and occasion. I still take that in as well. And occasionally, I still take my diaper animal. Light but there are many different things to block different pathways are actually two there's no standard. I wouldn't say I'd give people options on how to block those Pathways for example aerobic glycolysis, which is this abnormal fermentation process that happens in cancer cells. That is something that can be blocked with intravenous vitamin C. But I give people the options of you know, There's DCA and to dg2 deoxy glucose and for EVP which is you know, but getting hold of some of those things can be quite tricky but there are some natural supplements that can help block that as well like chrysten. And so there are options for each for each pathway so that you can actually learn to work out how to block those and then you've got to work out if you block that is going to travel which pathway is it then going to travel up. You go to block make sure you block that one to to stop it from swinging back. So when I look at the Metro map that you have on page 319 each one of those lines like the red and the purple. Those are different lines. We got a block right? So I see like you've got the berberine the doxycycline maybe something met and and ICL. I'm not closing might. Yeah, so that's a worming kill an old woman kill that actually has a huge effect on several. Pathways and some of the cell signaling actually at the beginning that can kind of carry the whole thing through. So are you saying that you have to do one of these lines and then at a certain point switch to another line and then a certain point switch to another line so that No, what what counts would do is use several Pathways together. So all of them will use mtor. All of them will use insulin Ali's PPP the pentose phosphate pathway. They are all use Ox Foster's that makes sense and they'll all use glycolysis and glutamine all Isis. But the bias changes depending on the type of cancer. You have a say that you know prostate cancer doesn't use very much. Aerobic glycolysis, which is unusual until it's very Advanced so depends on your type of cancer as to which of those Pathways it prefers but most most cancers use the majority of those Pathways most of the time but you know, it's worth finding out your metabolic phenotype, but you shouldn't get too bogged down and people do get a little bit worried. Oh, I don't know which one to start on but just look at the map and just get going and start blocking stuff, you know, because some of these these drugs will block many of the pathways and Metformin blocks igf-1 rocks mtor, it blocks Ox fast and you know reduces glucose. Anyway, the statins will block the glute one, which is the glucose receptor on the cancer and it'll also stop them. They're learning pathway, which is the cholesterol pathway that it uses to create new blobs of cholesterol on the surface of the daughter cells. So it's it's a matter of understanding. Standing how the cancer cell it's very basic really it's one cell dividing into two and to do that in these fat protein carb and it's just a matter of working out which fuel lines are the most upregulated that then you need to make sure you blocking other ones as well. So I mean it so that's why they tell you to stop eating meat right because the protein Yeah, to be honest, you know glutamine is abundant in your body pretty much everywhere. It does help to reduce the glutamine amount that's around but your body kind of the cancer learns to feed of glutamine as it gets more aggressive generally most cancers will start off using glucose ovarian for example starts off using mostly fat and glucose. But it does use bleach mean as well, but then it switches to a predominance of using more glutamine as it gets more advanced. So it depends on the sort of phase of the cancers to where it is and how it's feeding. So it's not a straightforward picture. Yeah, sadly, of course, that's why yeah, that's why also the standard of care is is tough because everybody Body is so individual but I'm trying to like simplify some of it for people. So you said in your kind of if in starving cancer 101 if I'm a newbie and I have just been diagnosed and I'm desperate to at least like put the brakes on some stuff while I do my education and learn and research and read your book and other books metaphor Min berberine. Intermittent fasting very effective. So you actually cut down the amount of time that you are feeding. So you have a smaller window of your feeding time. So you'll do it over 6 or 8 hours and then you won't eat for you know, 18 hours or 16 hours. So you can do you can do these these intermittent far some people like to do some two straight days of no no feeding, but it depends on whether you don't want to do. Too long when he got cancer, if you're a healthy person you can do a five day class no problem at all. But I feel that when you've got cancer you might just make the cancer a little bit resistant to that because it then uses this or topology which is self feeding itself from the outside and some starting to eat away your body a little bit. So you got to be careful because even small periods of fasting. Okay, like even six hours of fasting. Okay? Yeah longer than that should you you should yeah, definitely try and aim for 16 to 18 hours ideally, okay, what else so overnight so that's people should feed until about 6:00 p.m. And traditionally what people do is then not eat until midday the next day. I actually think if you can feed in the morning and then stop at about 3 p.m. That's probably more effective but people struggled to that. It's much easier somehow to eat at 6:00 stop and then not eat until Midday the next day about it. Okay, so we've got that we've got meta foreman berberine intermittent fasting. What's next? Yep, and then you need so the Carol ecology drugs are very good at blocking pretty much most of the key Pathways. But I've you know, I added something to block this little talk with you as well because it's not something that account ecology drugs deal with so don't put them all was one of the drugs that I use and it stops this uptake of these little chunks of equally sized these chunks of DNA. And the other thing that really should be looked at is some anti-malarials like chloroquine a safer version of his hydroxychloroquine. It's not so damaging on the eyes. But also, you know, you've got to be blocking glutamine Alles is such as the breakdown of glutamine to feed itself as well. This is the protein and you need a cocktail to do that because glutamine is the most abundant amino acid that you have in your body. So you're not A stop it from being present, but what you can do is stop it getting to the cancer. So you stopped the transport you stop the way that it breaks itself down. So there are steps of blue to me analysis, which can be targeted and you've got to you don't have to understand the process. You just have to know that a combination of curcumin and a solid Casa de going to help do that. So that's that's you know, that's kind of key and was very Charles as well. Those three things are very good at helping to block and green tea stops a lot of the glutamine transport as well, which is why it is so brilliant in every Cancer every Cancer needs to you know, you need to be drinking green tea. I'm taking this Allah can curcumin was very well was virtual there is potentially a link to sort of east region. But I think if you're taking tamoxifen or any of these other things I think you're absolutely fine. But you know, some people are very wary about that. Hmm, and then the aspirin is a statins. Aspirin. Yes, you can swap that over for something natural if you wanted if you're worried about your stomach sea Buckthorn oil is an alternative to that. What is it called? So that there are sea Buckthorn oil see Buckland Chi spell that. Buckthorn Buckthorn Okay, Sea Buckthorn English accent don't worry the Buckthorn oil that is actually animate 7. Yeah, and this has a lot of beneficial effects on the metabolism. But it stops this fatty acid synthesis in the same way that aspirin and Metformin do together. So that's a natural version. Wow, and everybody likes to get natural versions of for sure General hatred of drugs. We don't understand but you know, they they are effective and if they're low toxicity and in the UK we can get them prescribed if Get them because five free then wow. It's so much cheaper than spending fortunes on supplements, which is what every cancer patient does. They end up spending an absolute the end our I know trust me spend fortunes on traveling Here There and Everywhere. It's just well, it just makes me gasp in horror. But anyway got it. Yeah, so when you were going through this, I remember reading Ying I read this some time ago and I've been in the middle of a lot of Madness with my mom's stuff, I remember you had to kind of mix doctors and get different things from different people. Is that right? Well, I I kind of you know different doctors have their own characters and their own preferences of how they like to do things and they particularly in this field where it's slightly more unregulated and These complimentary integrative doctors are quite free to sort of prescribed pretty much what they feel is appropriate and they will they are prepared to take risks and normal oncology doctors do not take risks. They do what they're told. They follow the guidelines. They will prescribe you what's written down on that piece of paper at stage 3. This is what you give over it. You know it just a list of you know, the protocols of which you have to follow. It's like a recipe book. But so I did chop and change. In fact, I saw for complimentary doctors over a period of several years because I just needed to glean information, you know back then it was not so easy to get it from the internet. It was I was getting most of my information from books from PubMed from and just picking the brains of people who you know have been to conferences and lectures and knew about this stuff. So that is actually really Great resource, it's Pub pu B Med and my brain explodes nine times out of ten reading these medical journals. I laugh because I'm like Mike upswing bake them really difficult to understand how my Lord like thankfully. I have like a good kind of intuition and gut so some of it I can figure out but that last 10% just explodes my brain, but they're very helpful eating the abstract. Yeah. Exactly and the discussion at the end and the results and then you work through the middle. Yeah, but yeah, that's the way to tackle it. And then yeah, so, I mean that I'm lucky that I had some medical training that I could kind of work out a lot of what it said because this is a lot of work, you know oncology was like be exactly yeah, and it's a lot of work and so I wonder when you went to the doctors and you told them hey, this is what I did and look. I am cured. What did they say? You know, I kind of drifted off and I was sort of unmonitored and then just they forgot about me. They didn't bother you. No, oh she's fine now and nobody really questioned it or they just thought that I was just still in remission from my cervical cancer because actually when the blood cancer came back, it was diagnosed through a series of blood tests and various things that were done by the integrator. Oncologist and I sent some of these results to my normal oncologist that she didn't twig. It was a new cancer. She kind of couldn't understand why I had these changes in the budget sent it off to an immune ologist and said what's going on? Why do we have this deleted p53 in the blood? Why do we have you know, and I was telling her that I had aerobic glycolysis, which is a marker for cancer in my blood and things but she didn't she didn't week. I think she was so worried about the cervical. Sir coming back she kind of and she probably never had cancer patient survived long enough to get the secondary blood cancers. So I was an unusual case I think and I didn't want to go with her because I knew she would want to give me chemo. She didn't want she'd feel compelled to try and persuade me to have something and I just didn't want to have that argument with her. So I just let it right. Well if she That's it. If she's not really twigged. I'm not going to be starting that conversation. So I put I wanted to know more about the deleted p53 and what that meant what ramifications that had on my cancer and obviously a deleted p53 is a bad knee Nation to have it means the brakes are off means it can Rampage and just be run away. So yeah, that kind of was an alert that I need to get going and do something. Really fast and that's why I decided to take things into my own hands a little bit and find out about these all drugs and then go and beg complimentary doctors prescribe them to me and I went to different doctors because I didn't want to have the argument about taking all of them all at once. So I started kind of sort of one from one and fear and then eventually actually checked with one of the doctors before I actually took that leap to take the whole lot together, but that was that was something I you know, I felt very strongly that the cocktail was an important and key and it is key is to have a cocktail which I'm surprised the doctors even knew how those would interact. Oh, sorry. I'm surprised a doctors even knew whether that would interact well or not because I don't know how many people have ever really done that before. That what that I mean, you know the band after that even online now, you can check drug interactions and things is quite simple in type in the list of things and it'll come out with whether it's okay or not. So, you know, my don't try went the promote he had never prescribed before but he remembered the research back from the 1980s and you and all but I've never prescribed it but there's Reason why you can't have it might cause your few headaches to start with which it didn't fortunately but it does for about 10% of people who take type in more get headaches to start with but you kind of normally push through those for a few days. He's a doctor but you know the Statin and if they're commonly prescribed medications, you'll find that a lot of those uncertainties of prescribed. Those are the ones I've already mentioned. I mean we're Probably preventing by this overprescribing that's going on. Anyway, we are probably preventing a lot more cancer and in the community than there would be already because actually the combination of just that in a metformin reduces your chance of having cancer by about 80% World, which is pretty huge. What is metformin normally given for Type 2 diabetes. Okay, Ashley, so it helps it actually has the most effect they've got but it does help the liver and just helps reduce the amount of glucose available. Wow. Okay. I have a couple lacerations. I want to get to with you first. What does your cancer starving diet look like yeah so back then my diet was predominantly, what would be described as a Paleo diets? I cut out things like potatoes Tomatoes. There was certainly no Cool, no witty things in my diet. So it was very widespread but I suppose it would be seen as being quite clean, but you know, no Dairy like no choices. Yeah none. Well, I did occasionally have a bit of Parmesan and okay and occasionally a tiny bit of goats cheese and then a tiny bit of yogurt but really very very rarely. Okay, that was special treat. So that was yeah the parmesan I had because the butyric acid help Mike and stuff, but that was the only bit of dairy that I allowed myself. Then the rest. It was mostly I mean I had fish so I'd have sardines once a week and and then I have some other fish as well. At least the by these huge packs of Frozen sardines keep them in the freezer. And what was the property and the sardines that you were looking for? Because I know that was purposeful. Yeah, so oily fish fast swimming oily fish so they have less carcinogens less Mercury and they also have high levels of Omega-3 and it's a mega three that is important. They also have a huge amount of some of the glutamate from the protein stuff. But actually, you know, I was I don't think people should be as worried about the glutamine being present. I'm not saying eat me. I just think you've got to be a little bit careful about the quantity of things that you have and I certainly think that fish is a far healthier option than meat when he have cancer. So although there are some people who thrive on organ meats and things that bit again, they are very high in the right essential fats. So, you know, they can be very beneficial to different ways. And I know you're the brain tumors which feed off mostly glucose while someone is interesting because brain tumors can actually feed off glucose and fat or there might be a bias towards glutamine and fats and and you know, Diet Works for one brain cancer patient won't necessarily work for another there seems to be a split between the type, you know, the ID H 1 and 2 mutations seem to have a bearing as to which way they're so there are all sorts of different. You know the idh. I don't actually okay. Another thing to look up ID search Beauty ssion. Yeah, so how does one find out? What there is is it through the MGMT report? You should you should have that in the report or they should have they should have done some testing on the tumor. Yeah, that's the MGMT report. Usually well that one tells you whether you're going to respond to chemo or radiation. I don't know how much more detail that gets. I think it tells you other off-label drugs that could be beneficial if the time comes and you need it because I remember there was some of that I see why wait, you know, some of these off-label drugs are unless they're really toxic, you know, and I'm not talking about the total the ones I'm talking about the old off-patent forgotten ones. There's no point waiting to add them in. You know, your body your brain needs to have those Pathways. If you've got a tumor in there you need to have the abnormal Pathways blocked off so that you can actually just function normally but just starve. Of the cancer because it is starving the cancer cell rather than starving the rest of you which is why I kind of called my book how to survive cancer without starving yourself because the drug that you do that they will actually Target the the voracious feeding of the cancer cells and actually allow your healthy cells to operate normally. So that's That's the basis of my Approach. There was something else I wanted to ask you about. And that was there was a parallel between psoriasis and tumors. Well, it was when I was researching for my particular cancer. I had a keratin izing tumor. So my oncologist told me it sort of produced keratin because that's what you have on your skin and mine was an epithelial so a surface cancer and it had keratin in it and all the daughter cells had keratin so it needed to buse keratin. And I thought well find something that helps block and keratin is kind of runaway disease like that is kind of I thought was similar to psoriasis but the psoriasis was obviously not malignant, but it was a rapid proliferation of skin cells red and inflamed all of that. So I thought well, I'll look at treatments for that. And that's when I came across the berberine and then it said it had these anti-cancer effects and let it reduce glucose. And it had all of these benefits of anti-inflammatory and I just thought wow. This is this is a biggie and I knew nobody at all and that was in 1999 when I discovered it. No one was taking their brain and now it's just a big thing, you know, since I mentioned it in about 2015, everybody's started taking it even heard about it since I read the book well is until I read the book. Chinese Whispers, but berberine is well. I don't think big Pharma want people to know about burying because it would stop people getting sick quite a lot. Yeah. Well for someone like me for someone like me who's always butting up against type my A1C levels are going higher and I mean pre-diabetes and my dad's type 1 my brother was type to that one type one. I have to watch it. So carefully I was like, I probably should be a during adding berberine into my diet. I would not medical advice. Yeah, but it sounds like someone would psoriasis would too. Yeah, absolutely. And I know a lot of people listening you're probably suffering with that. That's why I wanted to bring it up. Yeah, and it helps with weight loss as well. So it's an all-around win-win. Wow, so ya know it's a really fabulous supplement and it's traditionally been used in Chinese medicine for thousands of years, but they were using it mostly for GI nicastro upsets and it was only by chance that they discover could they were testing these patients with berberine trying to see how it had an effect on the gut. And some of them had diabetes and after they had eaten the glucose levels were normal and they they couldn't work out and then they realized it was the berberine that was having this effect. Wow. So yeah, the other thing I want to ask you about was the similarities and I guess the differences but I'm more excited about the similarities between chemo and high dose vitamin C. Right. Well, they they fit into where I'd call my kill Faith. So starving the cancer stem cell is one way to kill off your cancer. It takes a bit longer. But if you have a fast aggressive cancer, you may want to be adding something just to kill off those fast dividing cells as well. As you know the rest of the cancer as well. So both of those fit into what I would deem as an Overkill. Sighs so you've got starving and then a pulse of kill. All right and chemo is normally a pulse of kill and intravenous vitamin C at a high dose will give you that hydrogen peroxide which produces free radicals that will damage the cancer cells selectively unlike chemo Which is far more of a sort of you know, multi targeted Blunderbuss approach. You will get this more selective cancer. Go with the intravenous vitamin C. So yeah, it's a very effective but it can be expensive and you know, you have to do it for extended period of time really to get the best of eggs or you do it for maybe a week every day or something. Yeah. I mean that would be to me that would be an ideal scenario, but I don't know anybody. Who does that just to really give it a good good hit for a week and then maybe Three weeks off and then do it again and you can add the intravenous vitamin C between there's research to show there's nothing wrong with having your chemo for your two weeks. And then when you have your brake before you then have your next chemo you can in that intervening window. You can just have a top up with some intravenous vitamin C then as well. Yeah boost your immune system and help the detox as well. So it's you know, it's more likely to do much better. If you do that. Yeah and just and then your will be chemo. I want your post-chemo plan. What are the six steps to include and why were they all important? But certainly you need to detox after chemo that is definitely something that you need to do and to work on your immune system is kind of key because that's what's been really trashed. So and you'll go What is completely trashed so that's number three and so you need to be looking at several areas, really and then just working on continuing to start the cancer and actually stimulate new regenerative cells. So you need to rebuild as well as kill. It's kind of a it's always a juggling act actually with cancer the anabolic versus the catabolic. There's a building. Up versus destruction and it's about so finding the combination of things that work to get that middle path without going off too far one way or the other to get the best effect. Yeah, and then chemo fog I hear so many women that come to me and they're like, how do I get rid of the chemo fog? And I don't know what to say other than trying to boost their immune system. I mean, it's it's Such a hard thing to see someone like even my mom the body is moving slower and very lethargic. And so what's your solution to that? Well, I think there's a sort of a clogged up of stuff in the brain as I think part of my protocol with the de predamond and Statin is that it actually opens up the blood Pathways quite effectively. It produces nitric oxide and list of this helps to dilate the vessels little bit and floods the area with more oxygen that's you know, it's a combination not necessarily great for Brain cancers specifically there is a worry with it being an antiplatelet drug the diaper animal that you might get a bleeding. So obviously needs to be checked with doctors and things if you can look at that, but I think there are some there are some interesting drugs around I there's one that I've taken actually which is used in Silicon Valley. It's called Mill donate or meldonium and they use this as a sort of a is called a zoo tropic. Because you taught yes, which is a sort of a way to enhance your cognitive function and they're all popping these pills in in la-la land. Oh, yeah point but it also has potentially an effect on blocking one of the Pathways in cancer, but there's been no proof. It's a very cheap drug that comes from Latvia. Not the easiest thing to get hold of but I have a Latvian friend his mum and I think it did help my brain little bit. Anyway, I you know, that's just something to maybe consider, but generally I think time gradually, you know, defunct the system a little bit but it does help to have a clean diet to have fresh clean water to you know be Breathing cleaner all of those things will help to just do things your body a little bit Yeah. Well the top that you've had I love it Jean we have so much in from I've so many more notes here. I'm sorry. No, I love it. It's amazing. I feel like we're gonna have to do a part 2 if you had some point, are you now like a cancer liaison / guide for people is this what you're doing is helping people on their Ernie I do I do do that. I don't do it with many people because it drains me a little bit. So I I not you know, I'm not available as much as probably people would like I get loads of emails every day and my sisters and I can't take everybody on its it feels it. There's an awful amount of pressure on him right now, which I kind of try and I do try and answer all the emails but it gets really hard. But people can divert to my Facebook group and they can ask questions on there and there's a lot of information out there which I could buy for free and for you know for people to just go and research and there's a research bar. There's a search button on my Facebook group and you can look up your type of cancer. You can look up how other people are doing so you can see the results that other people are getting from following my protocol to go. Very cool. I want to ask you because we ask everybody. How are you getting better in your life every day? It's our last question to everyone like getting better. You know, I'm I've got actually a little bit more less a fair I think because my knowledge is quite wide now and I understand cancer. I would say that my fear is getting less and less and that to me. Is it a great thing because it was right up there at one stage, you know, I didn't want to die and the fact I can kind of just approach each day with a kind of not a devil-may-care us to but wow every second of every day. I was going to looking at something going so wonderful. It's a beautiful I'm probably not going to see it this time next year, you know, it was its it was a awful thing to have this sort of finite timeline imposed on you and to feel that actually that has lifted is an amazing thing. So it's not completely gone. I still feel a slight weight of that sort of Damocles hanging over my head, but it's not really present in anything like the amount that it was before you meditate or anything. I used to meditate three times a day. I don't do it so often but I do and I try and I try to keep my you know, I think actually knowledge is one of the things that I really liked and I keep wanting to learn something everyday I think to me learning and growing is really important, you know, and I feel that is a key factor of where I am right now. Thank you so much. Okay pleasure. All right guys, what have we learned? There are so many names of things that I need to research because it seems like Miracle work. But mainly that I just love the holistic health approach something. She said that really hit me was it's not just about curing like the tumor. It's the whole body is out of sync if that's what's happening. And I think oftentimes were trained to be like, oh we have a Scratch like let's just focus on that or whatever it may be but it's really getting the whole like everything works as one. So your food your exercise your meditation your mindset all those things play into how you're curing years healing yourself and then also the research I just love her her methods with research. I think it's easy cheese intense. I made me like feel so lame that I hadn't done enough. It's like, I mean you can't Kept up pretty well Maria, I would say yeah, but I did not do the level of research. She did I think my brain would have exploded. I mean, I've read all of these medical journals. I really do I do my best but my point is I mean she went to the level of okay this pathway we need to block and the I don't know any of those Pathways. I used my gut and my intuition and it served me really well, but and I, you know obviously will read books like this. Us and apply things that I feel instinctively would be helpful. So I use a different kind of I use the force. I'm curious if you called it the holistic approach but I didn't feel like there was much holistic in this this was dieting of course, but then it was like a lot of drugs a lot of different drugs. What I thought was the most interesting for me. Is that like for me if you want to kill a roach you put a cinder block on it. Oh my God, so I well I'm saying like I'm saying like There's no question that that is going to be killed. So her the approach that a lot of doctors have is the same is you don't want the cancer to return you want to throw a cinder block on that road. You want to blast it out that roaches next to like other like important organs that you're just next to your gold Rolex and possibly the keys to your car. Yeah and your brain, but it was interesting to hear that her take is instead of just blowing up Switzerland. It's like you you you go at it. From different approaches to completely starve it from everything it needs and you attack it with you poison. It cut it off from food. It's like you're torturing the cancer to death instead of just like hitting it with one poison. Hope it takes it out which I thought was pretty interesting because it's kind of like a strategic approach. Yeah as opposed to just let's use a hammer on an egg. Yeah. Well, she's much more scientific. I think that's why you are so drawn to it. I also think that our definition of holistic is so wrong in life and it's funny my partner in this health show that we're doing I was the one who said this. She's like holistic doesn't have to mean like Fruity to you just vitamins and whatever it says holistic. Let's look at the whole picture. I pulled up the definition. Thank you. It's the characterized by the comprehension of the parts of something that they're all interconnected and inexplicably intertwined with one another. So what I mean holistic and I'm sure we're on the same page right now. I mean like your Getting after everything yet because we are one moving body and everything is affecting everything. Yeah, but I think I had a bad definition of it prior to yeah not I'm not that I didn't believe in it. I mean that we were over here and they were over there right like like they were missing something which they are missing something in a sense. We know that there's a large chunk that's missing from the medical community what they're doing is great, but they need to fortify the body as well. So I looked at holistic a little differently and then My partner is like Maria. It means looking at the whole picture and that's the problem with the medical community. They're just looking at that brain tumor. They're not looking at everything else around to see what could be contributing to this what you know, what else could be going on that we need to deal with anyway, go ahead Stephen. Well, I'm just curious because this is come out. This is the second time. We've dealt with words and a dictionary and it's no boy. It's 2019 where words that used to mean something have new definitions and holistic has a So science definition, it is not a word that you hear and you think scientific so why does why does the community of people who prescribe to this but also apply Western medicine and subscribe to the literal definition not create a new term for it because if somebody walks into my office or wherever I am and I'm saying I'm sick and they're like, well, let's take a holistic approach. I'm like, you're fired. I'm going to a doctor. Yeah so long as you're thinking it's just going to be Fruity Tooty exactly. So this is the same with like the energies things like where it's like people talk about energy, but what they really mean is like the different things that are affecting people and I'm just wondering like why don't we we should create the new word for this because holistic doesn't cut it I like it. So why don't we have a little lunch session somewhere and we come up with the new word. I think we should we're better together guys. The three of us will just put our heads together. Actually Kevin's really good with titles were alone by Kevin to we practice Improvement medicine. Yes. Improvement medicine. Okay takes from everything that's one one idea one idea will look at this, but I think it's I think it's really important and and I just I just love the way she she attacked it and I love that. She's sharing all of it with everyone. Yeah, she's a badass. Yeah. So anyhow, I hope it was helpful to you guys. Thank you for joining us as always right here on Better Together help us by rating commenting subscribing, please. Please we love hearing from you. As I tell you every week it lights up my day when I see your comments. So thank you so much. 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Hi, Sarah. Hi Kirby. Welcome to the gloss Angeles. Okay guys first things first. Be sure to keep up with us on social media to see all of the latest Beauty dues are memes all that good stuff. The memes are so good. And we're biased because we make them most of them. All right so follow us on Instagram that gloss underscore Angeles join our Facebook group. All you have to do is look up gloss Angeles on Facebook like the page and thenJoin the group and we launched our first Twitter account and by first I mean our only Twitter accounts follow us at gloss Angeles pod. Awesome. Yay. All right, Sarah. So let's get into what's on your face Sarah. Please take the honor of going first. Yes. Okay. So today I am wearing a new lipstick from Dior it is there Rouge to your Ultra care liquid in the color caress. So this is the first D or lipstick that is infused with flour oil. So that means that it's also a lip care product, which is great because I always say this but I have dry lips so it's very hydrating but it's long lasting as well. So can wear up to 12 hours. It comes in a matte and satiny finish. This one I think is a matte finish, but it's which I think is very like Right now is kind of that like Moosie. Oh, did you hear that ASMR? Love it? Yeah, I love that but it's kind of a mousse consistency. Yes, and it goes on really smooth and creamy and then it finishes like a matte finish. So I really love it. And this all the shades are because it has flour oil in them are inspired by floral Shades pretty so this dress. Is a lie Chi pink shade. Yeah, I feel like it's almost kind of like a coral to yeah, I'm getting a coral Vibe. Yeah, but I like it. So yeah love it 38 bucks. So it's an investment but it's actually one. I mean, I like a lot of their lip products but this has got to be one of my faves. Listen if you can't afford a d or bag or shoes get yourself a do your lip gloss because it's pretty sick. Yeah, that's pretty what are you wearing Kirby? I'm wearing Dell magnetic eyeliner and magnetic lashes K. So this is like let's talk about this because I make this a lot with my hands. You can't see you're doing the Chris Pratt. Yeah, the Chris the Chris Evans where they you know, how they put the fake nails on him. Oh my God. I can't wait to show you fabulous. I'm just doing that because this has sparked a lot of chatter on lot of chatter chatter. So let's talk about it. Okay, so last year I tried out one to call. Medics magnetic lashes and I truly just didn't like them. I didn't think that they were easier for me to apply then like a strip lash Mardell. They're so hard to put on. Yeah, and they're expensive to it's because they're reusable but like then you can only use them like up to four times or something like that. Oh really? Well the ones that I've tried before, I think they were the same ones like you it's just so expensive. They're so expensive and also they came in pieces like the left side of your eye and the right side of your eye and the magnets weren't on the edge of the law. So they were always Lifting for me. I couldn't make them look natural claim. That was just something I like uncomfortable. Yeah. I'm like, I'm over this then they came out with are dealt are dealt came out with their version. I thought it was fine. I didn't think they were necessarily Amazing by any means. I just cheaper so much cheaper. I'm a big r del girl. I think that their lashes are are amazing and they have the best bands because they're super flexible. Yeah, not super. You know, yeah thick and hard to beat them. Yep, but I still wasn't a huge fan of the Lash as I thought they were fine, but I didn't think it was like something you should because there's a learning curve to applying them. I'm like, okay, if you're gonna have a learning curve to applying these why not just use your regular strip glasses with the glue and you don't have to worry about not getting them perfect. You just put them on so then Tory at Ardell reached out and was like, we know that you've reviewed magnetic eyeliner before because I did a video with free form. Certainly where I tried out this Moxie lash magnetic eyeliner. It worked I liked it. It wasn't that dark of a black shade. It claimed to be like the blackest black. It wasn't and the lashes that it came with were like so poorly made. I was really disappointed but I tried them with one to cosmetics and it worked but I still was saying like, I wish that the lashes had the magnets on the front and back-end to really seal the deal the right way, so I don't know. I can't remember if our Adele's lashes were always like this or if they just listen to my suggestion in the video on made these because these came out like that would be my wedding, but I'm wearing them today and I'm really happy because I am today's I'm wearing them Doug there was on my face. Yeah job Sarah. I forgot that that's what we're talking about. But they look super natural so good and I just I feel like they're lightweight. They have the magnets at the front and the back end. I put on the liner and a few things that you need to know because these are So they're way more affordable than anything else that's out there and you can like pick them up at the drugstore. So the liner initially feels super super creamy it comes with the package is come with the liner a brush and like a pair of lashes. So when you scoop it like you have to be careful because you could end up getting a huge glob of the eyeliner. So I had to put a little bit in the top of the lid just to like kind of, you know, yes wipe it off and then once you apply it to your lash line, you have to be quick because it dries very quickly and I think the purpose of that is so that it doesn't move throughout the day I make which makes sense or I had already done my eyeshadow and I got a little bit on my eyelid and it was a pain in the butt trying to remove it. So you just need to know like you have to move quickly. We've got to move super quickly and you have to be precise or else it's kind of a mess to try to remove but overall. It was easy for me to apply there on my eye. They're not lifting. So you just put the flash onto the liner. It just snaps together. Yep, and like I know that this stuff works because I tried the Moxie lash liner and it did work. Yeah, but I also just wasn't thrilled with the lashes that I had at this these ones you are. I'm very happy with the way these look I applied mascara afterwards just to like blend them together. I don't think you have to do that. But I did and the magnets the way that they're placed I think are the best option out there. So if you're looking to try magnetic lashes for the first time and you really want to see if it was in the pudding. And I would I would try their $20 20 bucks. Yeah, and that's like how much like strip lash costs? Yeah from certain brands. How hard is it to remove? Honestly, I could just take them right off and then your liner is just kind of like a is it waterproof? I actually don't know. I feel like it probably is because it doesn't might need to use a more emollient eye makeup remover cool. Yep. They look great. Thank you. All right. So let's talk about what's happening in the Beauty World this week. Yes, let's get to it. We have some good news. There are some sales happening. And of course I want to talk about my girl Renee Rouleau. She's having her anniversary sale and that goes through September the 8th. So you still have ample time to buy the entire site is 15% off. I posted this my Instagram story and a lot of you were like what products would you recommend my all of them? But if I'm giving you like a couple of recommendations, I would say number one is the anti bump treatment. It's typically T this treatment is essential if you get hormonal acne cystic acne, I get a few blemishes around like my nose area and I feel like it's maybe my sunglasses like trapping makeup or something in the poor when I wear makeup or something like that. So I use it a lot in that area and it takes it down significantly size wise and redness wise. I think Renee even mentioned like she made the product but didn't even know why it works. So well, it's just a miracle. Product that works for everyone. So anti bump treatment a be rapid response detox mask I wrote about this when it first came out and honestly it is a godsend. Everyone's favorite mask. Yep. You see it literally on every Beauty editor. Yeah and then celebrity it includes licorice root extract. Basically, the whole point of this mask is to calm inflammation inflammation is the key to a lot of skin issues like acne redness rosacea things like that. And so this rapid response detox mask it just it Glides on the skin. It's super pretty to look at it like mold and has a little bit of a shimmer in it. You put it on it calms your skin down cools your skin just takes down puts the fire out here. Renee likes to tell me. Yeah, she must have put the fire out. So it's typically 6350. They also created this kit that you can buy on the website that's like a hundred or so dollars and it comes with anti bump and rapid response. So if you're interested in getting both I would buy the kit and then use that 15% discount on that and then I'm a huge fan of her poor and wrinkled / Acting serum if you just want to look more firm and lifted texture wise with your skin. This product is its it amazing so and it's typically 49 50. I'm so excited because I'm seeing Renee for the very first time this weekend. I'm so excited for you. You're going to love I'm seeing her. I'm seeing her this weekend as well. I can't wait for my our skin our skin is going to look fabulous and she's just the best. She really is. She just turned 50. She looks amazing so good. So if that's like a reason enough to support her. Brand is because it works her products work. She looks amazing. Like let me tell you this woman is she's not owned by anyone. Yeah, this is her brand. No big conglomerate owns her. She doesn't have a payout. She's not just like the face of it now and doing whatever she is still real deal the real deal. Yeah. Okay. So now I have some other exciting news altas 21 days of beauty sale has begun it's happening. So it started on September 1st. It'll go through September. First and for those of you guys who are not familiar with Altis 21 days of beauty, it's three weeks long. It's a sale that promotes a new deal everyday and the star promo product of the day will be 50% off for 24 hours. You can get this like Becca Hydra Miss set and refresh powder. It's typically $39. You can get it for 1950 on September 3rd. Yes. Oh and you have to check every day, but we've got some sneak peeks. Like Kirby just said some great great products great Brands flush. Shushes glisten drops are going to be $14 from $28. Oh damn look Kylie Cosmetics Matt and velvet lip kits and I be honest. I've never tried a Kylie lip kit, but I've never tried it their good. I mean, yeah, they're good. I just keep thinking. It's like colour-pop on steroids. So it's 100% that or not even on steroids. It's just like colour-pop. Okay, great and I love color pop same. Yeah. So Kylie Cosmetics matte lip kit. It's $29. Typically. It is 1450 on September. 18th Benefit Cosmetics the porefessional face primer $16 from $32 these by the way aren't the only products on sale that day, right? There's so many others bustle just happens to have a sneak peek here. Definitely check their Instagram check all to site happy shopping to you all. You know what I'm gonna create a little shopping list. Yeah that will incorporate into the show notes. Let's do it. Whoo. Whoo. Yeah, so they only have the sale twice a year. So this is a big deal if you are. Ulta beauty fan guys. Okay. So this episode we are going to talk to you guys about some new beauty products that we recently tried and become obsessed with because I know it's been a while since we've kind of touched on our favorite products. So we thought we'd do a little recap of things that we tried in August and that we are currently loving and we know you guys like to shop and get product recommendations from us. So if you guys liked this episode we'll plan on doing more of them like every month or so. Yeah, I think that Sarah and I both do this When I was at popsugar, we had our monthly must haves. It was like the most viewed post every single month and it was all of the new products that we had tested out like within the past one or two months. Yeah, and then we figured why don't we start doing this and if you like it we'll continue to do it, but we just figured we should be if we're trying so many products we might as well share them. Exactly. So Kirby you go first. Whoo. Okay. My first product is a sunless tanner. It's from cocoa and Eve and it's Called Sunny honey, Bali bronzing foam in the shade dark. What a cute brand name and product name. Yeah, and the packaging is super cute. I love that. It's pastel yellow and magenta shade. It's not brown or right whatever. It's so fun different from everything else out there. So my friend Kate at be social sent me this product. It came with a mitt and then like a brush which I'll get into in a second, but I have tried every sunless tanner. Under the Sun and everyone claims to not have a bad smell and it's I'm always like please stop lying to ya I know that I'm eventually going to smell like this weird, I can't even explain it but it's like a how does it smell it's almost it smells like hot? Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Yes, like a stench of like you've been sweating. Yes. Yes, and it's because the the DHA is interacting the DHA is the agent that you know teenagers get. In and creates the color but it's because of the way it reacts chemically react with your skin isn't comfortable. Yeah, but I'm here to tell you that this product doesn't give that to me and I know this because I've gone on two shoots smell it. I've gone into public wearing this like I'll put it on and what I love about it it develops in two hours. So it dries really quickly. It's not sticky it smell the smell is smells so good. What do you think? It smells like it's sweet but not like sickeningly sweet. Eat so on the website it says that their scent is tropical mango and guava kind of inspired by Bali. Yes, that makes sense and it says no biscuit smells because their Australian yes biscuits cookies. Oh, yeah. Oh I was like what the hell are they talking about? I'm like, it's like you're a stale biscuit smell normally what I what I use this Tanner because so many of them smell like cookies. Yes sugary sweet exactly. But this is more fruity. Yeah. So it's more fruity. It's vegan. It's 100% natural DHA. I think this is why it might not have such a strong stench, but it doesn't skimp on the color either. So it has a green gray base. I love when I'm using a product and it's formulated more green because that means it's gonna look more Olive. Yeah. I also like purple undertones. But if they say like the tone is like a true tan chances are you're probably going to turn orange. It's just what's going to happen. Yeah, but I have been on set wearing. It's all day. I went to the Peach Pit wearing them and like how to drink spill on me and it didn't like nothing happened because it had developed in two hours and a lot of products are like, oh there's this Express tan that it's good in one to three hours or whatever, but I feel like this more so than anything else has really just lived up to what it's claiming. Like. I said super lightweight non-sticky. I love that when I put it on it helps kind of like blur my skin a little bit. It's almost like a skin perfector but gives me that color too. Yeah unlike Like I'm wearing it right now and I feel like I don't look obscenely tan. I Just Wanna Have A Nice glow. Yeah on the website. It says that it's an anti cellulite anti-aging self tan was 0 nasties. I just want to put this out there. I don't believe anything in a cream or liquid or foam form is helping you with cellulite like I love this product, but I just want to call bullshit on that so apologies, but it's just no, it's true. Maybe it's firming your skin, but I have a fat ass and Definitely have cellulite still so I mean it's not going away. Yeah. No, but I just yeah, you can't expect that to come from a Tanner know and and much like coconut oil if I'm Hawking a cellulite product, you know, I got paid the big bucks just throwing that out there. Oh man. Well, it's great. You look great smells great and I'm working to get it. You can buy it on their website and the United States it is it's available through them. I I looked and I was like, oh maybe it's on Ulta because they do carry the brand but they only have a hair mask that they make available on that website. So just go to Coco and Eve.com and you'll be able to order it there. Cool. Okay, Sarah. So what is your first product? Okay, so funny enough you mention girl on last episode. Yeah. I think it was and I said that I had not tried their products before then. I got sent their New Foundation. It's the girl on Le essential. Shin so fresh and it is their long wearing liquid foundation with 97% naturally derived ingredients interesting. It's got buildable light to medium buildable coverage and what I love most about this is that it has a glowy finish which is something that I like to look for in foundations and it has skincare built into it. Oh and it also has SPF 20, which is great broad spectrum. So the skincare that's built into To it. It's these extracts that are derived from red algae and Tara gums. I've never heard of teragrams before me either but apparently it protects your skin from pollution. But it also lets your skin breathe. So it looks really natural but it's not protecting you from all the gross in this of VO the world and then it has white cocoa bean extract to help moisturize the skin and allegedly protects you from the harsh blue light. Oh, we need a whole lot. Yeah. I know we I need to talk to someone about that. And then it's supposed to improve your complexion over time. That's like the skincare benefits of it too. Okay, so you gave us the rundown of like what? Yeah what it's made of and what to expect but I just want to know like why do you like it here? I'm going to give it to you so you can switch it on your hand to buy know. So the bottle is really cute. So I typically like to wear like lighter glowy, er, do your foundations and this is definitely one of them, but it has it's buildable. So it has more of a medium coverage. Courage if you want and I think you can even build it even more to have be full coverage, but I just love how light it feels there's a slight scent to it, but it's not it's not over here or yeah, it's not a great sense. It's not it's like I feel like it might be the sunscreen that's built into it. Yeah. So it says that the active ingredient is titanium dioxide. So then that's makes sense. So yeah, I think that's what we're smelling. I like that it feels really I'm putting it on my hand and I feel like it's very light like it feels very hydrating. Nothing, but then like it's not going to make you it'll make you look glowy but not oily. Yeah, and they're still like decent coverage exactly so comes in 30 different shades, which is great. And yeah, I just really love the finish and I think it's something that I will probably wear this fall and it already has a bunch of great reviews on Sephora and it's actually sold out in a lot of Shades. Wow. I'm looking at my hand right now. Yeah, because I applied it there and it's super glowy which is just awesome. What I always strive to look like a glow queen. I am wearing Shades 0 for n for those who might have a similar coloring. Does that mean neutral? I think it does great. And yeah, so if you're looking for a new Foundation that has sunscreen in it that has more of a dewy finish but has some coverage definitely check this out. It's $60, so it's not cheap, but I don't think you need that much girl on is definitely a lie. Lux product Prestige brand so I am not surprised by that price point. Yeah. All right. What about you? What's next? So I've talked about this a lot actually on my Instagram. I posted a photo because I'm just so happy with it. You sure that they're not paying you that would be amazing if y'all wanna give me an affiliate code Mama's freelance now take money when I can get it, but I associate you with this brand now, but also occur. Thank you amazing Okay, so It's Beauty stat Universal see skin Refinery this product. So I was reading up on it. Apparently Beauty stat was created from Ron Robinson. Would you remember that place from Fred Segal? Yeah, so I guess like they had he developed. I don't remember if he developed it or like somewhat no, it's okay. It's like a cosmetic chemist from Ron Robin one of her it's called me around here Devon Robinson. Yeah, they ended up creating Beauty stat and First product they launched was the universal see skin refiner. This product has just been blowing off the shelves and I'll give you a tip on how to purchase it after I review it. But if you want to resurface your skin if you need help with texture, if you're going through a breakout, I highly recommend this product. It is formulated with the highest percentage of vitamin C on the market 20% But as you guys know vitamin C is really hard to stabilize in its purest form like if you're using It in a serum and you don't close the cap all the way it can oxidize and compromise the Integrity of the product. So vitamin C while it's probably my favorite skincare ingredient of all time. It's fickle. Yeah hard. It's a little hormonal gets a little agitated from time to time. So that's why it's always best to use like a powder form that you activate yourself. Yes. There's like this company called bakkal that come with these little they're like these little jars and when you flip the lid up the powder falls into the sea. Rum, and then you apply it to your face. They're all individuals. You know. Also Mary Kay makes those little squares. Yes vitamin C squares. Yep. Those are great because then you can activate it. Yes, you you want and vital bread also makes a little Vitamin C powder that you activate with one of their Essences have one more versed. Oh, yeah first yeah, which is a great affordable vitamin C by exactly. So the reason why they're able to do this 20% vitamin C or Ella sorbic acid. Din, Beauty stat is because it's encapsulated. And so we've had some people in the Facebook group actually saying I got Beauty stat. I love it. But the texture feels a little gritty is this right? And yes it is. It's because the vitamin C is encapsulated. So you have to break it up. You have to break it up and that's why it feels like that on the skin that's keeping the product from being compromised but it also includes other amazing ingredients. Like there's this the term is to science he's so I'm not going to throw it out there, but it's the An active component of green tea got it, which we know is I'm a really nice ingredient as well squalane. And I initially thought I hated squalling because one of the most popular products that use is this ingredient always broke me out. Yes, like what the-- turns out in oil. Yes. Oh my God, I think I know you're talking about and I also don't like using it I and was turned away by this ingredient because of it and I don't like to say this because it's not a hundred percent correct, but I noticed that they are doing a lot of influencer marketing, huh with people that don't know anything about skin care and they're recommending it and I'm like, well, that's why because nobody that is like really into skincare whatever recommend this product and then also to Tarik acid which helps with your pH level. So your pH level is super important to making sure that your ingredients work as effectively as possible. So it's fragrance free it like actually doesn't have a smell and they just say to use it on clean dry skin. That being said, it's $80. It's a beauty investment. You know, I had a lot of people asking me like is this something that I should be using for firming is it should be for my breakouts? It's like a one-two punch. It's helped my skin texture immensely. It helps with Me Clear My breakouts, which I love also when buying it I would try to buy it through Violet gray and they've been sold out for a hot minute, but I have been reading online that people are having trouble buying the product through the brand itself. So they're like I've I heard it and I haven't gone a confirmation or it's been weeks and I still haven't received it. And then people are like well, I ordered through Violet grain got it in three days got it. So I think that if you're going to try it and you want to make sure that you're using Viola gray. Yeah. Okay, Sarah. I want to hear about this next one. So my next product that I have recently been obsessed with is the new Peach and Lily overnight star sleeping mask what it sold out in 24 hours when it launched last month. Month, yeah, that was last month. It's September and it's the Brand's first sleep mask and I don't know about you. I usually use sleep masks that are very like water-based because you're supposed to use it like on top of your moisturizer or cream. Yep. So this is going to replace that. So it's meant to be your last step in your skincare routine. But replaces your moisturizer interesting love that and you don't have to wash it off the next morning. So it's a sleep mask in that you Are sleeping in it, but it's like a night cream because you don't have to wash it off. So it's got a lot of antioxidant Rich ingredients like acai berry extract and black in sing extract. So it's super hydrating and nourishing it's working while you're sleeping and then hopefully in the morning your skin will look brighter and feel firmer and I definitely felt that like, I felt really hydrated when I woke up in the morning and I just love that it absorbs really quickly and it's this beautiful blue. Allure and it's very very light. So like I said, it absorbs really quickly into your skin. You don't have to worry about like getting your pillowcase what you know, like total are some sleep masks. You just like trying to just like sleep. Well, I always try to sleep straight on my back because of my lash extensions. But yeah, so it feels like it's a cross between like a bouncy jelly and like a whipped gel cream. So it's a very lovely texture that melt right into your skin smells a little bit like lavender. But it's really subtle. So it's not overwhelming if you're someone that is sensitive to fragrance and it's nice that it's lavender because Lavender is such a calming right fragrance humming fragrance helps put you to sleep. So I love it. It is $43. You can get it on Peach and Lily's website or you can get it on Ulta. Like I said, it's sold out immediately and it already has cons of great reviews. You can use it on all skin types if your skin is feeling tired or dull or dehydrated it also has. Jojoba. Well and squalane squalane, yeah, hyaluronic acid niacinamide some peptides all those good things that are going to work while you sleep to repair your skin and make you look just nice and glowy in the morning. We're just the biggest peach and lowly fans are so I think anything they put out is just immaculately great. I just have so much respect for Alisha you and so the fact that she will only put out products that she truly truly believes our results driven and are going to work on all types of skin and are going to make you look glowy like a glowy little Peach. I remember when I interviewed her before I got a facial with her before the whole debacle, which we have to talk about that on another episode. We had somebody fake pretending to be us and other people in the beauty industry, which was crazy. But she was telling me about how they pick their factories and how they manufacture their products and it really gave me an insight to how Important that element is and like she will not skimp on anything. She's like we just won't be doing this if it doesn't work out the right way, which is why she only has what 10 skews. Yeah. She really isn't it going to put anything out unless she truly believes that it's something that's going to work. Last skin refining Serum is my chefs kiss chefs kiss. Holy Grail a plus ya star student. Yeah, if my skin just feels gross or tired. I immediately reach for it and I always like use like a little tiny. Tiny bit because you never know when it's going back my oh my God, is it I was actually always sold out. I recently put it on and I was like do I have a backup? Like I feel like I'm just generously applying this with Reckless abandon and I don't have a backup. So this is so unrelated to anything we're talking about but I realize like my skin just doesn't react to retinol very well-liked over-the-counter retinol. Yeah, because every time I put them on my skin gets super red for light flaky and they and I've been told that's normal and it's supposed to but I'm like, I don't have Time to deal with this so you got places to go. I've been trying that run all our alternative. But for all of the retinol is that I've been sent in the past like two or three months that aren't working out for my face. I've been slathering all over my arms. Yes and my chest and my neck and I'm like, this is absurd because I'm literally taking this like little tiny product and just like, oh my God just like rubbing it. But I feel like that's an essential part that I should be taking care of. Absolutely that I am with the Americans. In trait. Oh and you're part of my body that's like mosquito bite dry. Dry patch. I take just the littlest concentrate but it works. I mean everyone hates you now. Well doesn't Chrissy Teigen you sit on her stretch marks, probably. I mean I was I thought you were going to say does she use it on like miles as a diaper rash cream. I mean probably I bet who knows? Okay. What is your next product Kirby? Mine is a lip product. It's from dear Dahlia Dahlia. It's called the Paradise dream velvet lip moose. So this is for you people who are obsessed with being vegan and cruelty free. This is a brand for you because it is and Korean brand right? I'm pretty sure it was a Korean beauty Branton. Okay. That's why I love it so much. The founder is Korean or a korean-american. Anyways, that would make a lot more sense just because of how much I love this product, but it's called The Paradise dream velvet lip moose. It has this really unique whipped texture. And then when you put it on your lips, it just Glides on and it gives you this super dreamy soft focus powder e matte finish. So like if you're someone that hates the Stark line of wearing a lipstick or a liner this is going to be your jam and I just I keep rubbing my lips together because I love it just feels smooth. I feel like I'm not wearing anything. Yeah, but it's like it's hydrating. We're plumpy like like a pillow, but it's pigmented. There's a lot of pigment Allure. Yep, like we were talking. Well when I mention the Dior lipstick that I was that I'm wearing like do you feel like this trend of super matte lipsticks is going to phase out yes there to thank God because I just it's it over it. Oh and like it's uncomfortable to wear. I also just like hated the discourse around it. Like I remember how to shoot a video where I was using all of these like 12 different shades of this matte liquid lip. Yeah, and then of course it got boosted because it like a brand sponsor was attached to it and the comments were like this girl has no lips. She shouldn't be wearing matte lipstick like this and I'm like, excuse me little up like, oh, I'm not a lot of a matte lipstick anymore unless I have Kylie Jenner lips. Give me a break. Like I have never heard that that's literally so rude so rude everyone on the internet's rude. I'm just putting it out there but especially people who take time to comment on videos. Yeah. They're right. Please be quiet. So anyways, I'm obsessed with this moose first of all. The package is so so cute guys. I wish I you're going to Google. Yeah, look it up. But the packaging is beautiful. It's not very big. It's a little Stout. Yeah, I would say up but orange she's gorgeous. She's gorgeous. She has like a hexagonal shape is an octagon hexagon that looks like a hexagon. It's an octagon. It's an octagon. It's a hexagon. One, two, three, four, five six seven. Wait. Am I crazy one? Wow! Wow, hold on. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight. It's an ox. Okay, it's enough because okay. So it's an octagon. Wow. Wow. Are you smarter than a 5th grader? Whatever last night. We're not in the business of shaped. Okay. Listen, it's an octagon and talk about the formula exactly the top that get same the cap is beautiful. It looks kind of like a marble like a marble granite type finish and then the bottom is this rose gold and it has a name dear Dahlia and a little square. So you gonna get a peek of what the color is inside. It's very chic. Yes, I'm wearing ballet q and it's 32 dollars. So this is definitely like a lox product. They sell it at Neiman Marcus, but I'm just telling you if you want a product a lip product, especially that has this like great whipped texture. It does not feel drying. All the shades are so complementary and beautiful and it's a hundred percent vegan and cruelty-free. I would say invest in this. It's a great buy and like do your it also includes a flower. Our extract so these flowers everywhere. Dahlia flower extract that makes sense to hydrate and protect the lips and then all of the ingredients all the other ingredients are usda-certified ingredients. So includes like argan oil and Shea butter too. So I have also used their lipsticks yet for and there are also super beautiful and then they make like a cushion compact just all their stuff is really great and they make a bomb like they make this really pretty lip balm that looks like a stick but my friend Teresa so I work at freeform and I took a bag of product over so them yesterday as like a little gift because you know, I don't have like a free table to put it on and I like I know welcome to the Sarah's life, but I took a bunch of product and they were opening them up as Teresa was like, oh my God, like I love this shade, but it's like I would never wear something this brighter whatever and then she opened up the lip balm and she was like, oh my God, this is perfect for me because she got the like, you know, yeah luxury applying a bullet, but it's Beautiful lip balm. Yeah, so very happy about that. I'm I'm so glad that I have. Yeah, I introduced this come out with more shades. Me too. I need more give me more I wanted to do they make losses yet. I want a Glock they do make a glass. They do make a glass. Okay, Kate Morgan. I'll be emailing you. So I want to talk about this new wink stamp winged eyeliner stamp and pain from Kaja, which is also a Korean brand. Okay, so I just got this and I haven't tried it yet. But I am dying to know Ali like total expert at the cat. I this is for people who are not that great at cat. I or like me who I feel like it's hard on the Asian eyes to do a perfect cat eye. So there's two parts to the set. The first part is this pen that has a stamp so it's like a winged eyeliner stamp. So it has a left side and a right side. It looks like Like a magic marker, it's like just so fun to use. I actually they aren't the first people to create this no no stamp but I usually don't like to use them because I feel like they don't work with my eye shape or they just look really fake and that was like, you know what the packaging is really cute. I like Kasia, so I'm going to try it and it was so easy to use and the shape is perfect. Like it's just like a small little wing. Yeah. It's tiny and I like that it tells me which side is for the left. And which side is for the right. That's actually brilliant. Turn it because not all like the other ones it just like that and then you're like I don't I already don't have the option. Yeah, they don't have the option then it comes with eyeliner pen so that you can finish your wing after applying it connect everything exactly. So $25 for the to cool great deal. It doesn't smudge. It's not waterproof. I think is probably water-resistant, right? Oh, no, wait, actually it is it's waterproof and smudge-proof. Great free of parabens also cruelty free and It's like a really good black like it's kind of matte finish. Love ya. If you have trouble creating a cat eye which I know the struggle is real. It is hard out there for a cat eye my friend Christina used to make Beauty comedy videos and it was like trying to get the wings the same and you just looked like keep they just grow totally just kept getting longer and bigger. It's like anytime I try. I'm like I'm going to do a cat eye. I have to have like five cute. Chips with me, you know something like my makeup remover just to make sure it's just so hard and then you keep adding to one side until it's like so yeah. So this is a great option for those of you who are CatEye enthusiasts enthusiasm, but also handicapped and also this is a meme box brand but it's in partnership with Sephora. I don't think a lot of people know that so you can only buy Kasha on sephora.com or so we get they silenced or probably probably yeah. It's such a Brand they make such fun products. They make that little like blush cheek stamp. Have you seen that writes like a little heart. I get a lot of their products and I love them me to think they're fun. They're super fun. But then they also are just really good products like this eyeliner is even if you don't use the stamp part, the eye liner itself is really great as well. Check it out. If you are cat I challenged like I am Okay, my final product is skincare. Obviously, we love skincare over here at Los Angeles. So it's the only Henrickson are how do you say it? Boola boola? Yep. Yeah. Hula. Hula. Hula Henriksen fat glow facial. Okay, so you probably seen this on Instagram because they're kind of going hard with influencer marketing right now, but I have to tell you this product is awesome. It's really great. So Sarah and I both got facials at Lula Henrickson Spa on set a great Mexico where Haley Bieber and I think Selena Gomez still works out there pilates studio word awkward. But yeah, we saw Haley barbour's car. Well, I owe the one would like all the windows blacked out. Yep. That's her. Whoo. I think she's cute. I love Haley never loved a little Haley Bieber moment same. Anyways, we got these facials. I had an amazing facial my skin looked awesome afterwards and they used the fat glow facial. So when I think of fat glow and it's about that when the page yeah, PA JT I always think of pretty hot and tempting because like we always just say that to each other when we were middle. I'm fat and pretty hot and tempting like whatever. Okay, what idiots we were but baby. Oh my God, baby fat. Yeah. Wow. So, who is this facial good for it's great for someone that has dark spots fine lines and wrinkles, you know, if they're wanting to kind of refine and make their pores look a little bit smaller. Yeah, and if you do a dryness, so the An ingredient in this facial is poly hydroxy acids. That's where the pH comes that's where the PHA comes from. So if you look on the bottle, it has PHA outlined and then the T at the end. So what are phas there a gentler alternative to Alpha hydroxy acids and they help even your skin tone and texture through that chemical exfoliation. So this is a chemical exfoliator. It also includes Nordic Birch sap. I don't know sometimes I like to go through what ingredients are in products just because Has a feel like no I don't care. But at the same time I'm like are they really that a like like I don't care if that Nordic Birch sap is in here, but I do I mean I notice it because there's a sticky consistency to the mat. Okay, and so I'm like, where is that stickiness come from and it's from the sap, which is good for your skin. It's hydrating. Yes, it's hydrating and nourishing and that's why it has like a marshmallow we consistency. So when you apply it you put it on and it's pink and Then you rub it and it starts to turn like this cloud like puppy kite type of Airy Instagram, Ebola very Instagram and bowl and it also has pink bentonite clay which helps to clarify your skin. So it has like these core good ingredients that will basically just clarify in detox your skin while also giving you that chemical exfoliation, right but it's gentle enough where you can with this is what Shiva said that you can like use it a couple times a week, especially before like an event. Yes. It's like a I say events because we go to event an event meaning a date or whatever. You want to look good for. Maybe you just want to look good totally. Yeah, and that I think was like the main selling point for me that you could use it three to four times a week. If you wanted to you don't have to worry about like drunk elephant baby facial. You're only using that once a week at night and most guys maybe like once a month like that stuff is spy hardcore hardcore. Yeah. So I like that you can use this as many like me to like Ford. Has five times a week if you want. It says you can use it before makeup application. So I think the thing that really drew me to this product was like I got the facial and because it was like a chemical exfoliation. I was like, oh I'm probably going to have like a little break out here there. I didn't have that right which I really appreciate it totally and it's part of their transform plus line. Yep. So it's and that line is great for people who have more mature skin. You also people who just want to have more Results who people who want more results are event-driven. I'm trying to say like if you have wrinkles and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, if you're a mature skin and you're looking for that kind of extra moment, but also I think if you have blemishes and stuff like that, but like you're trying to use Alpha hydroxy acid and it's not going well for you. It's too aggressive. Yes, look for phas and try the spatial. I'm really into it. Yeah that and how much is it? It is $49, but you don't need a lot. Yeah, put that out there and it's like a it's a good amount. And I love ol has mask. Yeah and him in general. He's such a bright ray of sunshine Kirby and I got to spend a weekend with him in Sonoma and it was amazing wasn't it was memorable. It was amazing because we got to meet him it wasn't it wasn't it was so beautiful. It was a very windy road to get to this beautiful destination and they serve drinks specifically for when you get there to help with motion sickness. I definitely had like we were going horseback riding and to get down to ride some horseback some poor specs to ride the horses. I literally had to move to the front seat with the driver. Yeah, because I was going to throw up but she didn't throw up guess who threw up Sarah I threw up barfed on the way to the airport curvy and Shiva watched me throw up on the beautiful Sonoma Coast with like the big little lies soundtrack playing in the background. Yeah. And I was like, what are your like I need to put I need you to pull over. I'm gonna need a barf and I'm like, what is that people's names? That's the Press. / yes Ari, that's the person that's like it when we talk about Shiva and Kate Morgan and all these people there are go to girls. Yep. That genzel is how you continue to work with us. They give us the Intel. I love them. So anyways love with Lola. Okay product. What is Our last product. What is my last product Oh, yes, the Ilia eyeshadow palette. It is the first Pat eyeshadow palette that the brand has created. And for those of you who are not familiar with Ilya they are a clean Beauty brand that's based out of Laguna Beach and truly clean. My it really clean. You are a clean connoisseur. Yeah. No one love this brand. Yeah, and I love all of the products that I've tried from. Illya I love their Russian they love that their lipsticks. They're all great, which I feel like I don't know. I think obviously technology and beauty is is advancing but it can be difficult sometimes to find a great clean makeup product, right? Yep, that has great payoff that actually looks good that lasts and I have to say like I have been super impressed with everything that Ilya has created and this eyeshadow palette. I'm like, oh a clean eye shadow. I wonder if they can do it. And I am very impressed. I mean I would like you to try it because I think that you are more well-versed in the eyeshadows than I am because I want all I all I really want out of an eyeshadow is that it has a good texture and it's going to look pretty on my eyes and then stay put no Slippin and Slidin totally and they delivered on their eyeshadows. So yeah, there's two pallets. The one that I love is the warm nude. So it has a lot of coppers and brown eyes. I see it. Yes. Oh, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, there's only six shades. I think this is awesome because you're not overwhelmed by exactly so many different shape 100% And they're all super wearable neutrals, but then they have a matte finish a satin finish and the metallic finish and it's super buttery. You can play with it if you want and it's got a it's got high pigment, which is for me is something that I'm like, oh wow. Clean Beauty brand can make an eyeshadow that has a lot of pigment and feels good. Blends easily doesn't have a Fallout you so yeah, so it's talc free cleanly formulated $38 and then it comes in another shade which is their cool nude which has more of like cooler colors like purple violet. And yeah, I just I personally am such a fan of the brand and I'm really excited about this palette. Yeah. I think this is stunning. It reminds me of like pan wise they're bigger butt. But a mix of Charlotte Tilbury Bellows Sofia and Golden Goddess palette, it's kind of like a little combo expert at the eyeshadow. I mean, I like this is extremely my jam right? It's very exciting. I feel like you could take on vacation with you. Yeah, it's also something like you said that's not super overwhelming or intimidating for someone who doesn't like to wear a lot of eye makeup or just as kind of new to the game and you're just looking for colors that are going to go well together and You can't go wrong with the with mixing those Shades, you know liking and have a lot of fun with it and I'm looking and like I'm putting each of them have like a little bit of Shimmer to them yet, but there are distinctions. So there's the matte Shades and then there's true Shimmer shade exactly. But I like that even the matte Shades have a little bit of this Shimmer to them. It's beautiful, right and it looks great on all skin tones all eye colors. And yeah, it comes in a really cute little compact. So with a little mirror, I wonder how they aimed the the shades the shades are cute names like there's Grace 1979 cacoon cacoon Hunter you night lineup. What are you so fun to name Shades, please. I would name Shades all day and all night. That would be my dream job. So yeah, if you guys are looking for a clean eye shadow or just trying to you know, clean up your makeup routine a little bit. Definitely check out Ilya check out this eyeshadow palette. You can get it on Ilyas website and I'm pretty sure you can get it at Sephora as well. They can get it on Credo, right? Yes, you can get our include. Oh, yes, you can get it on Sephora. It has obviously the clean it Sephora beauty seal. And this is I will say like some people like to discuss like how clean that seal actually is, right, but I feel like Ilya is a gold standard. Totally they are they take a lot of pride in their formulations. So yeah, those were our faves of August. I mean, I think we did a good job. We nailed it. We talked and we did it. Yay. So let us know it have you tried any of these products. Do you plan on picking any of them up? And if so reach out to our account gloss underscore Angeles or just message Sarah or myself directly and say, you know, I have a question about a fat facial or Ilya eyeshadow palette. We'd be happy to answer your questions. Yeah, and I want to know if you guys like these shopping specific podcast and or episodes and if so, like should we do? A specific, you know, like let's do a pisode. That's just about eyeshadow palettes or let's do an episode that's just about eyeliners or whatever its product focused episodes. I think would be awesome. But we don't want to do them. If you don't think they're going to be beneficial to you guys. So but I think in the Facebook group what I would love to see is somebody start a thread listing one or two products that they have tried in the past month that they loved and then having everybody triming with those their favorite products from the past, so I'm kind of like Yeah, just said little Community our little community of people. Okay, I think we have to go because I'm noticing that gloss Angeles is tweeting right now and it's definitely not me or Sarah. It's Patrick go Patrick running our Instagram account our sorry our Twitter account and probably our Instagram account of our little interns. listening

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Welcome to Soul sugar. I'm your host carry rad. You might know me from my videos on YouTube. I love to chat about all things self-care self-love living our very best lives and finding our inner magic Soul. Sugar is a community of blooming Soul Seekers like sugar for your soul. Hello everyone. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Of Soul sugar podcast I'm happy to be here. It's a nice gloomy day. I've got my Earl Grey tea, I'm going to take a sip. I almost choked on it because I tried to sip it so fast, it is after Thanksgiving. I hope everyone had a great holiday. I am coming into the end of season 2 now. We have probably about three more episodes. I think we're ending right before Christmas and then we'll be back again in January for season 3, which I cannot wait for season 3. It's going to be nice to take some weeks to Does kind of take a step back and prep before continuing on I think doing podcasts in seasons has been a really great way to kind of just like at the end of the season you re-evaluate kind of the things that you talked about and how you want to move into the next season. So if you guys could or want to I always loved reading your feedback, especially over on the Instagram at Soul sugar cocoa and I go in and I read your guys's DM that you send me. Your comments about what you thought about the episodes. Also, if you love the episodes and you want to give us some good reviews definitely always remember that you can do that on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast you just to give us a review and let us know what you think about it. That's really helpful for the podcast. It helps get more ears listening and it gets the podcast out there. I'm just feeling like today. I want to sit down and just have like a candid chat with you guys. I have had Adding planning on my top of Mind recently, of course because Alex and I are getting married in May of next year. So May 20 2010. So we're getting into the home stretch. We have about six months more to go and so I'm in like kind of like the crucial part where you start sending out the save the dates you get the guest list all settled in and I'm just having all of these feelings through the process of wedding planning and the more I talk about how I feel in the more I'm honest about all of my feelings the more I realize that people feel very similar in terms of wedding planning on having a wedding or not having a wedding and I think that it's really important when we're doing these big milestones in our life. And when we're diving into you know, these huge moments in our lives like remembering one. It's important to be honest with ourselves about how we feel remembering why we're doing them like always finding out the why and also like being honest with other people about our feelings because it's been really fascinating to see how other people have felt similar ways, but they never said anything to other people and you know, you can really relate to people when you open up and you're honest with them and I think the reason why I really want to make this episode is because if anybody is in the wedding planning process right now, I would just love to open up the conversation and talk about how you're feeling and what working for you what's not working for you and you know wedding planning is them an emotional process and so we can sit back and say like, oh, you know, I'm loving it wedding planning is going great or wedding planning is so stressful or it's so easy, whatever whatever somebody's feeling like it's easy to just you know, give that sentence and move on but I think that we all have to be honest with the fact that there's emotions involved. It's a big milestone in life and it shouldn't be something that you kind of sugarcoat and I think that that's what I'm And I'm really enjoying being honest about how I feel and it feels really liberating and it feels like a weight being lifted off my shoulders. So that's why I wanted to this episode with you guys because I've been thinking a lot about how I wanted to start creating videos about, you know, wedding planning to help you guys figure out the best way to put together a wedding and you know, I've never I'm not a wedding planner and I've never planned a wedding before so I've just been kind of waiting to figure out more about my feelings and like How I'm going about doing everything, so I'm going to give you guys tangible information to help you in your wedding planning process. And I'm also going to give you guys some information about the emotional part of the wedding planning process and just how I've been feeling. I'm in the heart of it right now and instead of waiting until after my wedding and maybe potentially looking back and saying, you know every moment was worth it and I loved it and it was the best moment of my life which is what a lot of people say is the truth and maybe it will be my truth, but I So think that it's there's something valuable about being in the middle of the process and talking about how we're feeling emotionally about it. And then after the wedding I can kind of reflect back to this episode and and see how it changed and how it evolved from that moment. So, I guess I want to start from when Alex and I got engaged and sort of how I felt and we felt during that time and what our plan was Alex and I talked about getting engaged before. We before he popped the question. I knew he was going to at some point. It wasn't a huge shock or surprise to me. We talked about the future and we know we wanted to end up together. So when he asked me I was a static I am still so excited throughout this entire process the most exciting thing to me every single day since the moment that we got engaged is the fact that I get to marry Alex and that for me I get to have this partner. That is honestly And truly and wholeheartedly my best friend and I could not imagine being with anybody else the moment that he asked me to marry him. I felt this sense of Freedom, which I found really fascinating. It was a feeling that I didn't expect to feel I didn't think that freedom is what I would be feeling but I realized that that was the case because of how myself I feel with him and how much I have been able to just melt. Into who I am because I'm with somebody who loves me for everything that I am and I feel so lucky to be marrying my best friend when we got engaged we talked about how we just wanted to elope Alex and I are were social but we're also we love being the two of us and you know, we are learning more about how to balance our relationship with social engagements and family, you know, like work-life balance. All of these things, you know, you're always learning in terms of that and we've really come to a place in our life where we're learning more about that. And I think that part of that really affected the fact that like maybe we didn't want a big wedding just because we felt like we didn't need a wedding to validate how we feel about each other and I still feel that way and so I think the feeling that arises for me often Throughout the planning process is what am I doing? This necessarily for that has brought up a lot of conversations with Alex come conversations with friends and family about how I feel about the wedding planning process and it's been so interesting because I have felt so many different things throughout the process. I am so excited about it when I imagine the day and I also can understand that the day is Not entirely for Alex and I I'm sure a lot of you who have gotten married and had a wedding or those of you who are in the planning process, you know, it's easy to at the very beginning think this is for me. This is our day what do we want to do? And I understand that mentality and I think that for me what's been really interesting is that I didn't grow up imagining my wedding day. I Never did. I never imagined what my dress would look like. I never imagined what the day would look like how I wanted it to be I went into this with just the purest intentions of like, I don't really have a set plan and I don't have a idea of like exactly how I want it which I feel like has been helpful for me in the planning process. I've been able to be a bit. Flexible and I have a little bit less anxiety around the planning process. I think because I don't have a specific way that I need it to be or be done. So it was interesting when that switch happened Alex and I were just driving through Topanga Canyon one day and actually Alex found this venue because we talked about maybe eloping in Topanga Canyon. We were talking about a lot of different options. We were Gagging okay will elope maybe we'll have a really small wedding or how do we want to do this? And we would just go back and forth with different ideas and Topanga Canyon into place that was is still really meaningful to Alex and I and it was really meaningful to us at the beginning of our relationship because we would go on little getaways and Topanga Canyon we would ride on the motorbike through there. We would get brunch there and Alex found this spot that we realized was an actual wedding venue and we walked in there. And it just felt so much like us and it was the one venue we ever looked at and we just decided to book something because we loved it so much. And so then we had the space and we could kind of do whatever we wanted in that space. We could have a small wedding. We could have a wedding up to a hundred and fifty people because that is the max at the venue holds and so we have gone back and forth in the process of how many people we wanted to have and as the wedding became. More confirmed because once we booked the venue and we put down the deposit for the venue. We were able to play around with the option of like how many people we want. And so as soon as we started to, you know, talk about the venue more. We got family involved and Friends involved because of course you, you know want to ask people to be in your bridal party if that's the way you're going to do it and that's what we wanted to do because we like, okay. Well if we're going to do this and let's definitely have friends and family involved in I'd say our wedding will be somewhat traditional but somewhat not there are a lot of things that were not doing traditionally and there is definitely a major part of it that we are just doing things that reflect who we are as a couple and a lot of the decisions we've made in the wedding planning process has been because it's just very us and there's definitely a couple things in there that people have been like really that's what you're doing and And we're doing it because it's us and we want to feel like us on the day but what's been really interesting is that the more that we've planned the more that we realize that this wedding planning process is not just about us it is so much so about our family and friends and I called my maid of honor one day and I was just like can I be totally honest with you my my best friend Chrissy and I said, like I feel sometimes I ask myself. Why I'm doing this if this isn't necessarily at first what I wanted to do, like I'm so excited to marry Alex and to you know, go through this next chapter of our life together and I can't wait to do that. Like I want to do that tomorrow, but I have to wait for this wedding in May of next year and like I'm just going through this whole it's an undertaking to plan this essentially huge party and sometimes I just wonder why I'm doing it and she said Well, the reason why you're doing this is because of your friends and family remember, like people love you guys as a couple and like you have to remember that like essentially she didn't say it just this way, but you know the way I took it was like that it's not necessarily about you guys entirely and it's not and like that's what I'm learning throughout. This process is like it is about us coming together as a couple, but there is so much more to it and it's a very traditional thing to have a wedding and we're not a Additional couple and so there's all these questions that I ask myself throughout the process and that I have asked myself throughout the process and you know, I'm the type of person that like doesn't feel the pressure of you know, I try not to of course we all do but I try my best not to feel the pressure of like doing something because it is something that everybody does and so I really had to take a step back and ask myself like why are the real reasons why I'm doing this and the answer I've come to today is truly. We because of the people in my life and to be able to celebrate the love with Alex and knowing that like really at the end of the day like this does not define. My my love that I have for Alex it is at night to end a day to celebrate that love but it is not the reason and is not like all-encompassing like what I what our relationship is all about and If the wedding is fantastic awesome, if it goes, okay, great. If it's not that great then we move on like whatever it maybe like I have come to this place where I feel settled and okay with whatever the outcome is now because I am a Virgo. I'm very detail-oriented. So, of course like if we have decided to take on this Challenge and this, you know process of wedding planning I Have Become Very like detail-oriented and I'm really going in through the planning process and really figuring out the best way I can make it like as fun as possible and as beautiful as possible in you know, what our budget is and how I can make people feel special on the day and you know, all of those things that will make it a really special day. I am really paying attention to but I also know so much so that I don't need it and I think that you know in the wedding industry I notice is like once you start to have to go through this planning process it can be so there's just so much pressure that comes in and there's so much pressure from picking out the dress to the flowers to the music to your family members to friends to your bachelorette like bridal showers all of these things and like what I'm trying to do throughout the process is understand like that. This is an exciting moment in my life. Life and will only happen one time and I will only have the celebration of Alex and I with my friends and like it gives an excuse to like go on a vacation with all of my girlfriend's which is one thing that like I was like do I really want to Bachelorette like is that me like, I don't know but then I then I thought you know, when am I ever going to be able to have like all of the girls that I love in my life all together on one trip? And so I'm really looking at this and like a very optimistic Outlook and thinking like when am I going to get to do? It's like I obviously could plan a trip like this with my best girlfriends, but not all of my best girlfriends have grown up together and hang out with each other the way that I kind of interact with all of them, right they all have their own sets of friends and their own things that they do in life. So if I were to bring up a trip for us all to go together, if I didn't have this excuse to do it what it actually happen and have as much weight to it probably not and so that's why I like these moments as I go along I think like oh like this is why people love this and this is why people are so excited about this because it truly is like something very special that does only happen at this certain time in your life. And I think that one of the reasons why I wanted to make this episode is because I know a lot of you are going through the wedding planning process whenever I post something about Alex and I getting engaged or I talked about the wedding planning process. I get DMS and common back letting me know that you guys just got married or that you're in the process of getting married, and so I just wanted to like talk to you guys and have like a candid chat and those of you who are not even engaged and who might want to have a wedding later on like I'm talking to to those people too because you know, I think that opening up a dialogue of honest and candid conversation is so important and I think that at the beginning of me feeling the feelings of why am I not feeling totally all A static every moment of this process like why am I not so excited about this in terms of like, you know, I wasn't like thinking about it every moment moment to be completely honest with you I think about my business and what I do for a living and like having fun with Alex I put that as like a priority in my life and to be honest the wedding planning process has been like what I do when I have a free moment that I'm not just relaxing. You know, where a moment where I'm like, oh I'm free right now and I have An energy let me work on the wedding. It's really been like on the last it's been the last thing on my list of things to do because I think about you know going on a hike with Alex and like being with him and cooking dinner and like being with Lanka like before I think about oh my gosh, I have to plan this wedding like I'm still living in the moment and I think like for me because people become so obsessed with the wedding planning process and it becomes their entire world. I was like, why is this not my entire world right now and then I started realizing it's because I don't feel like the wedding defines my relationship and it's it's really interesting because when you're in a wedding in the wedding planning process people ask you so many questions about it all the time. That's like what people care about when you're planning a wedding. It's like, you know, I have a lot of like pivotal Milestone moments in my Career that I'm so ecstatic about and people keep asking me about the wedding planning process and I'm like, wait a minute. I'm putting more time into my you know, my career moments right now than I am. People are constantly asking me about how the wedding planning process is going because they know that I'm planning a wedding but to be completely honest with you. I'm more concerned about these major Milestone moments that I'm experiencing. in my career than I am about, you know planning a wedding like planning a wedding is the thing that I do on my off time where I have more energy where I'm not spending quality time with my fiance and my dog and you know, these aren't like life is not all about having a wedding getting engaged like and having a child, you know, these things are Huge beautiful pivotal moments and like I cannot wait to have a kid like honestly having a child in my future. I'm more excited about that process because it's going to be such an adventure in life in such a beautiful change, but I'm more excited about that than like this one day where I have a wedding and I just think that talking about this and being open about my feelings about the wedding planning process has been a huge weight off of my shoulders because I I think that people are not honest about how they truly feel when they are in the process of planning a wedding. I think people can be so sort of just brought about how their feelings are like they can just say I feel so excited and it's been a great process or they can feel. Oh my goodness. It's so stressful. There's so much to do but I think it's really refreshing when people are honest what I've started to understand the more that I talk to people is that Are excited about it specifically like our family because they love us and they're excited about this Milestone that they can be a part of our relationship on this day, right? Because Alex and I met three years ago or it'll be four years the day we get married. So like, you know, three and a half years now and from that moment, it's just been this world one of love and we've moved into this house together. We've adopted a puppy and our families like truly love our relationship and our parents are together. Other for Thanksgiving and like they like each other and it's been truly this beautiful moment. And I know that those people want to experience our love with us and to have that celebration and it's been a year of a lot of different emotional things that have happened, you know, there has been disease in the family. There has been a death in the family. There has been a lot of stuff that we've gone through as a couple and have This wedding for our family feels like this, you know really pure party and celebration of love and celebration of happiness. 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So that makes me happy to have him definitely like helping me like over Thanksgiving we were putting together all of the save the dates and he was like sitting at one point there by himself like Packaging the envelopes and like putting on the stamps and like, you know counting the gas less making sure I like we didn't do doubles and all that stuff. So I just appreciate him a lot and you know, I feel like a lot of people get like frustrated with the process if you can bring something up and say do you want this or that and they'll just be like like for Alex? He's like he has his super great optimistic like patient vibe to him about it, and it's just Just if if he didn't have that, I don't think we would be having a wedding to be honest. Like if it felt like I needed to push and pull. I don't think actually I know we wouldn't have a wedding if it was like me feeling like I had to like push and pull him to like make decisions and if I felt like he didn't really want it then we wouldn't be having it because part of the reason why I want to have a wedding is because I know that he's excited about it too and so were both able to like Balance each other out. We both want the same thing. And so it makes it so much more enjoyable through the wedding planning process. Once we picked the venue, then it all came to life. I think that like I couldn't imagine a wedding because I couldn't imagine where it would be and so I was having the hardest time like I was like, let's just elope somewhere in the world like we go to Italy we could of Tuscany like let's just elope and he was like, yeah and then we were like, but do we want to have a Wedding or we're going to regret not having a wedding because it would be so fun. But because we hadn't picked a venue. It was so hard to imagine a wedding and then the moment that we confirmed the date and the location that's when everything came to life. So I think a lot of people before they get to that point. They're like, where's the gist it just feels like so much before you pick the venue because you're just you feel lost in this world of like, what does it even look like but the moment That we pick the venue. We were able to dream everything up because we were like, okay like this is the vibe of the venue. It's very natural. We know that we can make it very much. So like this or like that like we're going to do a very like Bohemian but elegant kind of Spanish Vibes into the mix, but also like a vintage mid-century, so there is definitely like somewhat of a theme. But it's also like a mix of all the things that we love and I know what the colors are now like I definitely came up with the color scheme. Alex was just sort of like I showed them what it would be and he was like, I love that but for him, it was more so like coming up with like, you know, we have a little bit of like secret things that are coming up at the wedding that like not everybody will know about like after the ceremony and later on in the evening, which we've had a lot of fun just like dreaming up and and planning and And so, you know that process has been really fun, but it really all started to come together after picking the venue. So if you are in the wedding planning process and you have not picked a venue yet. That is the first thing I would recommend to do because once you pick a venue and a date then the rest of the wedding planning process comes so much easier because then you can actually call vendors to see if they're available on that specific day you can see Has now you know where it's going to be if they can drop off at that location what their delivery fee would be and how you exactly want to go about it. So picking the venue I'd say comes first because when you pick the venue, then you have to pick the date. So then it becomes really real because then you can tell your friends and family and you can ask your bridal party. Can you be here on this date to be my bridesmaid because we're getting married on this date and I think that of course Course, it's important to like ask your parents and like your best friends if they're available on that date when you are doing the wedding planning process because what if your parents or your you know, parents-in-law future in-laws have a vacation plan on that day and you just booked that date for the venue. So just like making sure before you confirm that the most important people in your life are available on that date is probably a good thing to do and then book it and then you go into it and you get to just play around and I think That that is the best part of the wedding planning process is like being able to dream it all up. I'm such a visual person. So I had to create all of these different, you know, Google Docs where I just put in photos for inspiration Instagram has been super helpful in the inspirational aspect because I just started a board like a saved collection on my Instagram. You can like go in and save your photos and add them to a collection. So I start adding all these photos. Go to a wedding board on my Instagram and then I just go in there and look at everything and you can actually find a lot of your vendors that way by like loving their stuff and then you go in and you click on their phone number because like you can click on the contact when it's a business page and then I've just been calling places and going to their website and figuring out what what their prices are and a lot of the things that I have found our through Instagram, which is pretty cool. And then if I have an idea about something I'll just Google it and see what's up. We hired on a wedding planner, but we hired on a partial wedding planner because it was less expensive. So if you want somebody to be there to help you on the day, I would highly recommend getting a partial wedding planner our partial wedding planner gets involved six weeks prior to the wedding and she does something called a takeover meeting six weeks before the wedding to just talk about all of the vendors that we have booked and Of what the plan is and then she calls all of the vendors and she kind of takes it from there, which is really cool. A full wedding planner will plan the wedding from A to Z with obviously your help and your inspiration and like what you and your partner want the wedding to look like in mind and all of that good stuff we decided on no partial wedding planner because one I like being detail-oriented and planning and putting things together to it was Expensive to go with it as a partial wedding planner and three we wanted somebody to be there on the day. And then also we because we had so much time. We had almost a year to plan like we're six months away and I think I pretty much have everything booked so far. So I knew that I could do most of the like reaching out and planning on my own because you know, I am a detail-oriented. Good person. Like I said, and I do enjoy this process but to each their own like if you're somebody who's more like I can't even visualize how I want to do this or like don't want to contact people and it's in your budget. Then I think a wedding planner like full wedding planner from A to Z is probably so incredibly helpful and if it's in your budget by all means do it, and if it's not in your budget to even get a partial wedding planner, then you can totally do all of this yourself. I just know for me on the Day and having her get involved like six weeks before I'm going to feel so much more at ease and less stressed because I am a person who I can honestly say that I like to I'd like control like I like control of situations, especially if it's something that I'm planning. I like to make sure that I'm like managing the situation and that's just who I am. I'm a Virgo. So that's what we do. I knew I'd be that way on the day and so I knew that having somebody who can like pick up and know more about the wedding process than I do who I can trust to coordinate everything and to make sure that the vendors arrive on time because if not on the day, I'd be like are the flowers here. Where are they putting them? Are they putting them where I want them to Howard the tables all set up. Are they putting them in the way that I want them to and I would just be thinking about that the entire time so having somebody there who knows the plan instead of me just puts me out. He's already even just right now because I just wouldn't want to be worrying about that on the day because in reality on the day, I just want to be like soaking in the moment and soaking in the love and having like my bridesmaids around me. My best friends around me and like knowing that I get to see Alex down there. I'm like Mary the my like best friend and lover on that day and just be like so estatic and like not having anxiety about it. And that's another reason why I think we're deciding to not have Lanka there at the venue our dog Lanka so many people have their dogs at their wedding and I think it's so cute and Lanka is such an important part of our life, but there is a huge part of me that will just be so worried about him the whole time like, I know somebody who just had a wedding who their dog like jumped off of something at the wedding and they had to run to the vet during the wedding because it's hard to watch the dog the whole day. We were talking. About maybe having somebody just watch him the whole time but he gets so excited around people and one habit that we're trying to break from him is that he like jumps up on people when he sees them and he's excited about them. So then like thinking about people coming and they're like dresses and heels and then Lanka like tackling them over. I'm just like, oh my goodness. I don't know if like we can handle that. So there's this place in Topanga Canyon where we take him that were like, oh, okay, like he'll still be so close to us, but he won't be like at the actual. Ceremony, maybe he can come later. I don't know but like I just want to be so in the moment and so there with like just Alex and I that I can't imagine like having the stress of like, where is he? Is he good as long as taken care of and that was something that Alex brought up or he was just like I just want you to like have the best day and not feel worried about this or that so that's where we're at on the Lanka thing. And that's where we're at. With a wedding planner one thing that I've found really helpful throughout the process is one flowers surprisingly. I didn't know that this would be the case but flowers are really expensive and this kind of blew my mind in the wedding planning process. I love flowers if you know me and you follow me on Instagram, you know that I just like I've always just had an obsession with flowers. It's just I mean, I think a lot of women are Our that way and I know that you know flowers are these beautiful natural and very like feminine part of like the planet that we live on and I don't know. I don't know why but I've always felt so incredibly connected to flowers. I always have fresh flowers in my house. I grow flowers in my backyard. Like I just when I am walking down the street and I see flowers. I just I am notice every single flower around me all the time. I love them and so flowers to me was like one of the most important parts. Like I just want flowers everywhere. And then as I went into the wedding planning process, I was just like, oh my gosh flowers are so expensive. I was blown away by it. Of course. We're getting married in La which is one of the most expensive cities in the world were just blown away by that. Now what I found really helpful and if you're going to the wedding planning process, it would not hurt to ask if somebody gives you a budget that is just way out of your range and you're just like this is way more than I My can or want to spend on you know, this specific thing. It does not hurt to ask if they have any recommendations on somebody who would be helpful the that they could recommend that's more in their budget what I found so incredibly helpful was that there was this Flores that I absolutely love she's so talented, but she was just way out of my budget but at the end of the email like after she This is how much it will be. But if this is too much out of your range then like these are the people that I recommend that like our can be a little bit lower budget their up-and-coming but I have like trained them and I was just like wow and so I looked through these girls whom were so talented and the coolest thing is that they've been like sort of trained and mentored by this this woman who's just you know, her prices are on point with how busy she is and how much experience she She has and just what she does like. I'm not taking away from the fact that she should be getting that budget just wasn't in budget for me. And so finding someone who has been mentored by her who doesn't have as much experience, but definitely creates floral arrangements that are very beautiful and similar to you know, the girl that's just super busy and super well-known in the industry and you know somebody Can who can charge that much because she's just been doing this for so long and she's earned that that budget so but it's been really cool because I have reached out to the girl that she recommended or one of the girls she recommended and this girl's awesome and I'll share more on the day who she is like all definitely tag her and florals and stuff like that. So if any of you guys are looking for a florist like you can find her and I'll share more about us working together as you know, Everything's kind of confirmed because we're still like talking about different things. I still have to send her the deposit. That's like what I'm doing tomorrow. It's on the top of my list of things to do. So, I don't want to chat until it's like definitely signed on the line of like we're doing it and it's done and done but I can't wait to share that with you guys. And you know, this process is there are so many different feelings and the wedding planning process and as I sit here and chat with you about all of our plans and how we want it and like all these Of the things we're going to do and we're going to have a videographer there and we're going to have photographers and we're going to share it with you guys too. And I want all of those things so that I can have the memories and I want to show my children like this is when your dad and I were like young and this was our wedding and this is what we did and these are the photos of me in my dress like these are all going to be so these are going to be moments that I'm going to look back on and just love and think about and you know, whether it rains on our wedding day or whatever like that. That will all be part of the process and I think about that and I go well if it does like all laugh about it because that is life like life is full of surprises and ups and downs and if we go into situations just thinking like it has to be perfect. It has to be this way. Then we are no doubt going to be live down in some way or another because nothing ever goes exactly how you want it to go. And I think that if you are in the wedding planning process Reason why I wanted to make this episode is because I want to chat about how like it doesn't have to be perfect. You don't even have to do it if you don't want to but if you have decided that you do want to do it then know that having all sorts of different feelings about it ups and downs about how you're feeling one moment being so excited one moment asking yourself why you're doing it another moment thinking about how wonderful it's going to feel being there with your family another feeling of Of thinking this is about you and me and our love and then you know, there's just going to be it's going to be a roller coaster of feelings. I think the most important thing is remembering that like, this is a moment in life. It's going to be fun. It's a big party and it doesn't have to be perfect and you know, it could rain on the day. It could not go as planned and that is part of life. Let it reflect what life is about let it how life Ebbs and flows how life can be unexpected and that unexpected things can happen and just remember that you know, this is not always 100% about you and it's not only about family there is definitely a balance and a combination of things to feel and a combination of things to remember and I hope that this episode can put you at ease somewhat if you are planning a a wedding right now and I hope that this episode can give you some inspiration and can just help you with handling the emotions and knowing that if you are experiencing all different types of emotions, sometimes even feeling shame because you're wondering why you're feeling certain feelings. I just want to be here for you and tell you that you are not alone in the process that people may make you feel like wedding planning process went so easy and perfect and easy for them and then People might tell you that it they understand why it's stressful. But whatever people tell you just know that you're allowed to feel the way that you feel and that your feelings are very valid throughout this process and that you don't have to feel any shame for anything that you are feeling throughout this process. So this is where I'm going to end this conversation. I hope that it gave you guys some tips. I could talk for much longer about this wedding planning process and I will definitely make some videos. As for you guys on my YouTube channel, so just give you guys some more information more tangible detailed stuff, but I just wanted to have a candid chat before then. I'm going to leave you guys with a soul sugar moment that doesn't have anything to do with wedding planning because not everybody might be on that Journey right now and maybe you clicked on this to just hear what it's been like and maybe you're not really planning right now. So my soul sugar moment is going to be about just taking a moment for yourself. Night, whatever that looks like for you or this morning. I don't know exactly when you'll be listening to this episode. But even if it's as simple as a cup of tea or reading a chapter in a book or lighting your pink Himalayan salt crystal or a candle or putting on relaxation music we have been listening to classical Indian relaxing music. Oh my gosh, if you play that you will just go into this like World of just pure relaxation. We have been playing that and just like sitting on the couch with like cozy blankets and just not doing anything and it has been so relaxing. So I challenge you to have a moment like that for yourself or you're doing really nothing and it's kind of the best in the world because we are so stimulated and life. We're constantly on our phones or or talking or were working or we want to even go on a walk. Which can be really relaxing but I feel like a lot of the times we feel like we constantly have to be doing something and that's okay and that's because we're ambitious but I also think there's something to be said by just sitting still and doing nothing sometimes and maybe not even forcing yourself to feel like you need to meditate like I mean just sitting there chilling out and listening to an audiobook if you want or reading a book or sitting back on your couch and staring at the wall, whatever it is. Take that moment for yourself. Safe and just allow yourself to almost like rehabilitate yourself into the moment that you're in and don't think about what you're going to do next In This Moment like really just take that time for yourself whether it be 20 minutes 30 minutes or even an hour do your best to try to take that time today? I challenge you all to do that. I'm going to go do that now as soon as I hit stop recording on this podcast I love you guys to the moon and back so much, and I thank you endlessly for listening, and I think you endlessly and I just love you guys so much and I appreciate so much the continuous support. You have no idea how much it means to me when I read your comment and your reviews on the podcast. So again, I love you guys, and I will see you or talk to you soon in a new episode. Thank you all so much. Tuning in to today's episode. I hope that you enjoyed it while you're waiting for our next episode come chat with us over on the Instagram. It's at Soul sugarcoat. That's at s o UL s uu G Arc o we give you a daily dose of inspiration over there. Also. It is the best place for us to communicate together and I love hearing feedback and advice from you guys over there as well. So definitely, Come on over and let's be friends there.

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But some electrical condition in the Disturbed air to the westward seemed to prevent communication. We did however reach the Arkham and Douglas told me that he had likewise been vainly trying to reach link. He had not known about the wind. for very little was blowing at McMurdo sound despite its persistent rage where we were Throughout the day. We all listened anxiously and trying to get lake at intervals. But without results about noon a positive frenzy of wind stampeded out of the West causing us to fear for the safety of our camp, but it eventually died down with only a moderate relapse at 2 p.m. After three o'clock. It was very quiet and we redoubled our efforts to get Lake. Reflecting that he had four planes each provided with an excellent shortwave outfit. We could not imagine any ordinary accident capable of crippling all his wireless equipment at once nevertheless the Stony silence continued and when we thought of the Delirious Force the wind must have had in this locality. We could not help making the most direful conjectures. By six o'clock. Our fears had become intense and definite and after a wireless consultation with Douglas endorphins and I resolved to take steps towards investigation V airplane, which we had left at McMurdo sound Supply Cache Sherman into Sailors was in good shape and ready for instant use and it seemed that the very emergency for which it had been saved was now Upon us. I got Sherman by Wireless and ordered him to join me with the plane and the two Sailors of the Southern base as quickly as possible. The air conditions being apparently highly favorable. We then talked over the Personnel of the coming investigation party and decided that we would include all hands together with the slideshow and dogs, which I had kept with me even so so great alone would not be too much for one of the huge planes built to our special orders for heavy machinery Transportation intervals. I still tried to reach leg with the wireless, but all to no purpose Sherman and the sailors could arson and Larson took off at 7:30 reported of quiet flight from several points on the wing. I arrived at our base at midnight and all hands at once discussed the next move. It was risky business sailing over the Antarctic Miss single airplane without any line of basis, but no one Drew back from what seemed like the plainest necessity we turned in at 2 o'clock for a brief rest after some preliminary loading of the plane, but we're up again in four hours to finish. The loading and packing at 7:15 a.m. January 25th. We started flying northwestward under mctighe pilotage with Ten Men seven dogs a sledge the fuel and food supply and other items including the blades Wireless outfits. The atmosphere was clear fairly quiet and relatively mild in temperature and we anticipated very little trouble in reaching the latitude and longitude designated by length of the side of his Camp. Our apprehensions were over what they might find or fail to find at the end of our journey for silence continued to answer all calls dispatch to the cam. Every incident of that four-and-a-half-hour flight is burned into my recollection because of its crew. Position in my life. It marked my loss at the age of 54 of all that peace and balance which the normal mind possesses there is accustomed conception of Eternal nature and nature's laws. That's for the 10 of us, but the student Danforth and myself above all others were to face a hideously Amplified world of lurking Horrors, which nothing can erase from our emotions and which we would refrain from sharing with Mankind in general. The newspaper is have printed the bulletins. We sent the moving plane telling of our non-stop course or two battles with treacherous upper rail Gales or glimpse of the broken service relay get sunk his mid-journey shaft three days before and to our site of a group of those strange. Fluffy snow cylinders noted by a months and then bird as Rolling In The Wind across the endless leagues of Frozen Plateau there came a point though. When our Sensations could not be conveyed in any words, the Press would understand and a later point when we had to adopt an actual rule of strict censorship. The Sailor Larson was first to spy the jagged line of Mitch light cones and Pinnacles ahead and it's shouts send everyone to the windows of the great cabined plane. Despite our speed. They were very slow in gaining prominence. Hence. We knew that they must be infinitely far off and visible only because of their abnormal height little by little however, they Rose grimly into the Western sky allowing us to These various bear Peak blackish Summits and to catch the Curious sense of fantasy, which they inspired as seen in the reddish Antarctica light against the provocative background iridescent ice dust clouds in the whole spectacle. There was a persistent pervasive hint of stupendous secrecy and potential Revelation as if these Stark night. Nightmare spires marked the pylons of the frightful Gateway into forbidden spheres of dream and complex goals of remote time space and Ultra dimensionality. I could not help feeling that they were evil things mountains of Madness who's farther slums looked out over some accursed ultimate Abyss that seething It is cloud background held enough all suggestions of a vague. Ithi real be honest far more than terrestrially spatial and gave appalling reminders of the utter remoteness separateness does solution and Aeons long death of this untrodden and unfathomed astral world. It was the young Danforth drew our notice to the Curious regularities of the higher Mountain Skyline regularities, like clinging fragments of perfect cubes, which lake had mentioned in his messages and which indeed Justified his comparison with the dreamlike suggestions of a primordial Temple runes on a cloudy Asian Mountaintop so suddenly, And strangely painted by roerich. There was indeed something hauntingly roerich like about this whole unearthly continent of mountainous mystery. I had felt it, you know October when we first caught sight of Victoria land and I found that a fresh now I felt to another wave of an easy consciousness of RK and mythical resemblance. Of how disturbingly this lethal realm corresponding to the evilly famed plateau of Leng the Primal writings Pathologists have placed Lang in Central Asia, but the racial memory of man or of his predecessors is long and it may well be that certain details have come down from lands and mountains and temples of horror early. Asia and the earlier than any human world, we know a few daring Mystics of hinted at a pre pleistocene origin for the fragmentary but not tip manuscripts playing wherever in space or time it might brood. What's not a region I would care to be in or near nor did I relish the proximity of a world that have ever bred such. Louis in RK and monstrosity he's as the lake at just mention at the moment. I felt sorry, but I had ever read the abhorred Necronomicon or talked so much with that unpleasantly Euro died folklorist will learn at the University this mood undoubtedly served to aggravate my reaction to the bizarre Mirage which burst upon us from the increasingly APA less. See that as we drew near the mountain and began to make out the cumulative undulations of the Foothills. I have seen dozens of polar mirages during the preceding weeks some of them quite as uncanny and fantastically Vivid as the present sample, but this one had a holy novel in obscure quality of menacing symbolism. And I shuddered as the seething Labyrinth of fabulous walls and towers and minarets loomed out of the trouble ice Vapors above our heads the effect was that of a cyclopean city of no architecture known to man or to human imagination with vast aggregations of night black masonry embodying monstrous perversions of geometrical laws and attaining the most Test extremes of sinister monstrosity there were truncated cones sometimes terrorists or fluted surmounted by tall cylindrical shafts here and there bulbous Lee enlarged and often capped with tears of thins scalloped discs and strange beetling Table leg constructions suggesting piles of multiple rectangle. Or slabs or circular plates or five-pointed stars with each one. Overlapping the one beneath. There were composite cones and pyramids either alone or surmounting cylinders or cubes or flatter truncated cones and pyramids and occasional needle-like spires and curious clusters of five. All of these febrile structures seem to knit together by tubular Bridges Crossing from one to the other at various design Heights. The implied scale of the whole was terrifying and impressive and its sheer gigantism. The general type of Mirage was not unlike some of the Wilder forms observed and drawn by the Arctic Whaler scoresby in 1820, but at this time and place what those dark unknown mountain peaks soaring stupendously ahead. Anomalous Elder World Discovery in our minds and the Paul of probable disaster enveloping the greater part of our Expedition. We all seem to find in it a taint of latent malignity and infinitely evil Morton's I was glad when the Mirage began to break up though in the process of various nightmare turrets and Cones assume distorted temporary forms of even vaster hideousness as the whole illusion dissolved to churning up lessons. We began to look at Earth word again and saw that our Journey's End was not far off the unknown mountains again rose dizzyingly up look up. Here's some Rampart of giants. They're curious regularities showing with the startling clearness even without a field glass. We were over the lowest Foothills now and we could see it means the snow ice and bare patches of their main Plateau a couple of darkish spots, which we took to be latex camping boring the higher Foothills shot up between five and six miles away forming a range almost distinct from the terrifying line of more than Himalayan Peaks Beyond them. At length ropes the student who had relieved fatigue the controls began to head downward toward the left hand dark spot whose size marked it as the camp as he did. So pratik send out the last uncensored Wireless message. The world was to receive from our Expedition. Everyone of course has read the brief an unsatisfying bulletins of the rest of our Antarctic. Some hours after our Landing we sent a guard and report of the tragedy we found and reluctantly announced the wiping out of the whole lake party by the pipe opened of the preceding day or of the night before that 11 known dead. You'll get me missing people pardoned are lazy hack of details through ization of the shock. The sad must have caused us. I don't need us when we explained. But the mangling action of the wind had rendered all 11 bodies unsuitable for transportation outside indeed. I flatter myself that even in the midst of our distress utter bewilderment and soul clutching a horror. We scarcely went beyond the truth in any specific instance. And the tremendous significance lies in what we dare not tell and what I would not tell now, but for the need of warning others off from the nameless terrors. It is a fact that the wind had wrought Dreadful Havoc whether we all could have lived through it even without the other thing is greatly open to doubt the storm with its Fury of madly driven ice particles must have been beyond anything. Our Expedition had encountered before one airplane shelter all it seems had been left in far too flimsy and it Quit state it was nearly pulverized with the Derrick at the distant pouring entirely shaken to pieces. The exposed metal of the grounded planes and drilling Machinery was bruised into a high polish and to the small tents were flattened despite their snow banking wooden surfaces left out in the blast were pitted and denuded of paint and all signs of tracks in the snow were completely obliterated. It is true that we found none of the Arcane biological objects. In a condition to take outside as a whole. We did gather some mineral form of vast tumbled the pile including several of the greenish soap stone fragments who Zod five-pointed rounding and faint patterns of brute dots caused so many doubtful comparisons and some fossil bones among which were the most typical of the curiously injured specimens. None of the dogs survived their hurriedly built still enclosure near the campaign almost wholly destroyed. The wind may have done that though the greater breakage on the site of the next Camp, which was not the windward one suggests an outward leap or break of the Frantic beasts themselves. All the sledges are gone, and we have tried to explain that the wind may have blown them up into the No. The trail and Ice helping Machinery at The Mooring were too badly damaged warrant Salvage. So we use them to choke up that suddenly disturbing Gateway into the past which lake had blasted. We likewise let that the camp the two most shaken up of the planes since our surviving party had only for real Pilots Sherman Danforth mctighe Andros. In all with Danforth and a poor nervous shaped navigate. He brought back all the books scientific equipment and other incidentals. We could find though much was rather unaccountably Blown Away spare tense and Furs were either missing or badly out of the condition. It was approximately 4 p.m. After wine plane cruising and forced us to give get me up for lost that we sent our carded message to the Arkham for relaying. And I think we did well to keep it as calm and non-committal as we succeeded in doing the most we said about agitation concerned our dogs those frantic uneasiness are the biological specimens was to be expected from poor Lakes accounts. We did not mention I think their display of the same uneasiness when sniffing around the strange greenish soap stones and certain other objects in the Sordid region objects, including scientific instruments airplanes and Machinery, but with the camp and at the boring whose Parts had been loosened or moved or otherwise tampered with winds and must have harbored singular curiosity and investigative - about the 14 biological specimens. We were part of Lee indefinite. They said of the only ones we discovered or damaged that enough was left of them to prove links description. Holy an impressively accurate. It was hard work keeping our personal emotions out of this matter and we did not mention numbers or say exactly how we had found those which we did find we had by that time and green did not to transmit anything suggesting that this from the part of likes men. And it surely looked like Madness to find six imperfect monstrosity. He's carefully buried upright and nine foot snow Graves and your 5-pointed Mounds punched over with groups of dots and patterns exactly like those on the strange green dish soap Stones dug up from Missoula core tertiary times the 8 perfect specimens mentioned by lake seem to have been completely. No way. We were careful to about the Public's General peace of mind and stand forth and I sent little about that frightful trip over the mountains the next day. It was the fact that only erratically light and plane could possibly cross a range of such height which mercifully limited that scouting tour to the two of us. Oh, no return at 1 a.m. Danforth was close to hysterics, but kept and admirably stiff upper lip. It took no persuasion to make him promise not to show our sketches and the other things we brought a into our pockets not to say anything more to the others than what we had agreed to lay outside and to hide our camera films or private development later on so that part of my present story will be as new to the Bony fatigue ropes Sherman and the rest as it will be to the world in general indeed Danforth is closer mouth than I my pray saw are you thinks he saw one thing he would not even tell me. As all know report included a tale of a hardest sent a confirmation of lakes opinion the great peaks of Arcane slate and other very Primal crumpled strata unchanged since at least metal Comanche and times a conventional comment on the regularity of the cleaning tube and Rampart formations a decision of the cave mouths indicate dissolve. cows repres veins conjecture that certain slopes and passes would permit the scaly and crossing of the entire range by seasoned Mountaineers and a remark that the mysterious other side holds a lofty an immense super glad to know as ancient and unchanging as the mountains themselves 20,000 feet in elevation with grotesque rock formations for Trading threadfin glacial layer with low gradual Foothills between the general Plateau surface and the sheer precipices of the highest peaks. This body of data is a never respect true so far as it goes and it completely satisfied the men at our camp. We had laid our absence of 16 hours a longer time than our announced flying Landing reckon ordering and rock collecting program called for too long the mythical spell of a verse win conditions and told truly of our landing on the bar. put Hills fortunately our Tails sounded really stick and prosaic enough not to tempt any of the others into emulating our flight had any tried to do this I would have used every ounce of my persuasion to stop them and I did not know what Danforth would have done while we were gone about 80 Sherman ropes mctighe and Williamson had worked like beavers over Lakes to best planes hitting them again for use despite the altogether unaccountable juggling of their operative mechanism we decided to load all of the planes the next morning and started back for our old base as soon as possible even though indirect that was the safest way to work toward with Murdo sound for a straight line Fight across the most utterly unknown stretches of the Aeons dead continent would involve many additional hazards further exploration was hardly visible review of our tragic decimation than the ruin of our drilling machinery and the doubts and Horrors around us, which we do not reveal made us wish only to escape from this astral world of desolation been brooding. Madness as swiftly as we could as the public knows are returned to the world was accomplished without further disasters all plays reach the old base on the evening of the next day January 27th after a swift known stop flight and on the 28th. We made McMurdo sound in two laps. The One bars being very brief and occasioned by a faulty Rudder and a furious wind or the ice shell after you've cleared the great plateau in five days more the Arkham and the miskatonic but all hands and equipment on board were shaking clear of the thickening field ice and working up Ross sea with the mocking mountains of Victoria land moving West. Against a troubled Antarctic sky and they Twisted the winds Wales to a wide range of musical piping which chilled my soul to the quick less than a fortnight later. We left the last into Polar land behind us when we thanked Heaven that we were clear of a haunted accursed realm or life and death space and time have I've made black and blasphemous alliances in the unknown effects since matter first arrived and swam on the planet scarce cooled crust. Since our return we have all constantly worked to discourage Antarctic exploration and we have kept certain doubts and guesses to ourselves with Splendid unity and faithfulness, even young Danforth with his nervous breakdown as node flinched or Babble to his doctors indeed. As I have said, there is one thing he thinks he alone song which he will not even tell me. So I think it would help his psychological state if he would consent to do so it might explain and relieved much though. Perhaps the thing was no more than the delusive aftermath of an earlier shop. That is the impression. I gather after those rare irresponsible moments when he whispers disjointed things to me things which he repudiates and eminently as Is he gets a grip on himself again? It will be hard work deterring others from the great white cell and some of our efforts made directly harm are caused by drawing acquiring notice. We might have known from the first that human curiosity is undying and that the results we announced it would be enough to Spur of others ahead on the same long Pursuit. The unknown thanks reports of those biological monstrosity is had aroused naturalist and paleontologists to the highest pitch though. We were sensible not to show the detached parts. We had taken from the actual buried specimens or are photographs of those specimens as they were found once destroyed. We also refrain term showing the more puzzling of the scarred bone. Greenish soap Stones all Danforth and I have closely guarded the pictures. We took or Drew on the super Plateau across the range and the crumpled things nice moved studied in Terror and brought away in our pockets. But now that Starkweather more party is organizing and with a thoroughness far beyond anything our outfit attempted if not dissuaded they will get to the innermost nucleus of the Antarctic and Melton born till they bring up what may be the end of the world that we know. So I must break and tell the whole story now even about that ultimate nameless thing beyond the mountains of Madness. And this my darling ends our reading of chapter 3, we all return very shortly for chapter 4. Thank you for being here today. Please make sure to like comment and subscribe and please and very sweet and creepy dreams. Good night. Good night.

ASMR Reading You To Sleep: Soft spoken ASMR with thunderstorm in background. At the Mountains of Madness by H. P. Lovecraft, written in 1931. The tale was originally rejected by the magazine Weird Tales for publication, but was eventually published in 1936 when an editor picked up Lovecraft’s tale for Astounding Stories. The story takes place during September 1930 where a group of wary explorers find themselves in disastrous conditions during an expedition in Antarctica. Told from the perspective of Dr. William Dyer, the tale is reflective of Lovecraft’s fascination with the Antarctic continent and his unfulfilled desire for exploration. A special thank you to Kyle, @PostCubicleKyle on Twitter for recommending this story as our next Lovecraft read. Now sit back, close your eyes, and relax as I read HP Lovecraft’s At the Mountains of Madness to you.

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Then you're in the right place. I'm dishing out everything. You need to go For Broke too. Bougie first class to world class. If you're a hashtag life goals involve a luxury travel and being the boss of your own life. They get ready to embrace your mindset magic and manifestation Powers. Let's do this. Hey guys. Happy Tuesday, welcome back to the mindset magic and manifestation podcast. I'm your host. You already know, it's me, Michaela and I'm helping you guys manifest. Your next level looks like and it totally ties into what we're talking about today. Because today we're talking about two things. We were talking about shifting moods. So going from Hot Mess situation a shitty day a shitty mood a shitty situation and turning that into an opportunity for you to grow for you to have a good time and for you to not be in a shitty mood and we're also talking about the importance of up leveling your not self all the time how we can do this why it's important why it failed at it last month and what I've done better this month. So I'm really excited to dive into all things today are episode is sponsored by my gist bundle. So if you don't know it just stands for its get your shit together because girl you need to get your shit together. Um, and this bundle it's just a bundle of some of the trainings that I've done in the past it has Hours of video trainings you have workbooks you have master classes and it's just to help you get started on your manifestation path. If you need some like high Vibes to play in the background while you clean your room while you do your dishes. 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I was in a super shitty mood and how I shipped it out of that tying that back into today's topic but how I shifted out of that shitty mood as I just went to Barnes and Noble and spent $60 on books instead, but I didn't get the air pods for a really long time until last weekend when I was in Kansas City with my boyfriend. He got me are pods for our anniversary. So finally got my ear pods and this is the spiritual Splurge because Because you feel so next level with are pods in like I know for me when I'm walking around on campus when I'm at school. And I my ear pods in I just feel like a bad bitch. Like if you know what I mean, like you see people with their pods and you're like, oh that looks bougie. Like they look like they're a business owner. They get paid a lot. Like they just look high-class and here we're all about manifesting our next level looks lives. So it's like that is exactly what we want to step into and so that's super up being spiritual form. Because I'm like, oh, yeah girl, like I am looking hot. I'm looking like hot rich in that bitch in my ear pods. So that's why they are spiritual spoilers for the week. And I'm sure you've seen them before but if you have not I will link them in the show notes for you to grab because I feel like we all need them. So what's going on in my life 3 and um Life Update actually, it's not random because it ties into what we're talking about with Next Level self stuff and shifting our moods, but I haven't on this five. Five day challenge basically where I drink a green juice every single day because that was something that my next level self would do like she would drink her daily green juice. She would be doing her rituals her yoga like doing all of the things to take care of her body and so it's been very interesting because I didn't have any recommendations for green juices. Like I literally just decided this the day I was going to go grocery shopping. I was like, oh I'm gonna get a bunch of green juices and like do that and be a green juice girl. I don't know. So I always do my grocery shopping at Whole Foods and just walking around and of course they have so many different brands. So what I did was I just grabbed five different ones just like five different brands flavors, whatever and it's been interesting trying them every time some are good. Some are bad and some juice don't taste like much but don't taste good. And the one I have today is actually like super horrible. It's like been the worst one. It's like it's painful to which I didn't expect and I actually put it back in the fridge because I was like, I can't keep doing this. That's I'm I crack myself up. Um, I was drinking and I was just like I can't do this. I put it back in the fridge and then I went to school and I had a coffee instead and I was sitting here actually I posted like an IG story and I was talking about how I'm going out tonight or like some shit like that and I was like, oh I need to go grab a green juice. Send finish that before I go out because it's like I'm up leveling every area of my life. Like I also want to like up level my health and like I'm going to go out and go drinking like I want to make sure I have all my vitamins and minerals and greens and for the day before that because hashtag balance. So I went and grabbed my green juice and sitting next to me and throughout this episode. I'll periodically pause the recording and drink my green juice to get it in for the day because that's my next level self would do so it's super long rant about green juices, but that's what Going on in my life. Currently So today we're talking about shifting moods. Let's just start there because I'm really excited to dive into all of this. I went to Kansas City last weekend and let me just tell you about the traumas of this weekend who loves a good story time. I know I am. So basically we had Valentine's Day that was on a Thursday and then Friday my boyfriend and I were going to leave for anniversary because our anniversary is actually on Valentine's Day. I know super cheesy grosu whatever, but my best friend Caleb has had like nurses prom because he's studying nursing and they have like a one night where it's like, I don't know literally just like prom and dinner and he invited me to go with him. So I me I boyfriend didn't leave for Kansas City until Saturday morning, and I went to nurse his prom Friday night. Well on my way to nurses prom somewhere along the lines of Caleb's apartment and the event place. I somehow misplaced. Taste my Louis Vuitton bracelet. So she is missing in action. And then we got to nurse prom and I drink a little too much in a little too short of time and ended up with a very sick hot mess night. So yeah, my life's not perfect if you were wondering I was very hungover the next day and it was it was not a good situation. But like I had a good time so that's all that matters. Right? Like one thing I talk about my Instagram stories, very once in a I'll is just like go party to Manifest. This is a side tangent, but I manifest so many things when I go out and party and when I travel is when I manifest literally the most I have a couple episodes down I think somewhere in the 30s when I talk about traveling and manifesting and how easy it is for me, but it's just because when you're partying when you're out having fun, whether that's traveling whether it's at the club whether you're just like hanging out with some of your friends having dinner you can manifest so much because you're at ease and you're like in flow. Oh, you're having a good time your Vibes high. You're not worrying about anything. You're not obsessing and then things just flow to you. And that happens to me when I party so I'm like, okay. Yeah, like let's let's go twerk on dance floor and have three Mojitos and see where the night takes us. And that's what happened exhibition of Mojitos actually had vodka orange juices. I don't know what those are called. I think there's a name. I don't know. I just turned 21. So like ordering up ours is not something that I All the time. But anyway, so that's the start of the weekend was sick had to leave the nurses prom super early like so early. I'm embarrassed to tell you that's like I was drunk that fast just so yikes. I had lost my bracelet still don't know where it's at and what ever go to sleep. Wake up the next day we go to Caleb's to get all my luggage and then my boyfriend I headed to Kansas City and Kansas City is like three hours away from where we live. Live not far while we're in the car. I was like booking the hotel for our trip because we had been debating between two hotels and we didn't decide so while we're in the car, we finally picked we're going to stay at the Intercontinental and this part of Kansas City called The Plaza which is like the fancy part of Kansas City where there's like the bougie shopping that's where you have like some of the nicer restaurants and the nicer hotels and yeah, all that good. So we decided to do that instead of the cheaper Hotel just because we wanted Like luxury experience my book through Expedia and I got the confirmation email afterwards. I was like, okay. Well like as soon as we get there like we're actually sitting in a parking lot like booking this because we had gotten to Casey and then I was like, okay great. Like, let's see if we can check in. So I check the confirmation email and Expedia accidentally booked our reservation for a month in advance. So instead of them booking us for that weekend, February 16th through the 18th. They booked us for March 16th through the 18th. The 18th hotel that doesn't do refunds if you cancel your booking and yeah, and they were actually fold that weekend. So he couldn't even change the booking and we are basically like a screwed because that hotel is like $200 a night like normally like two hundred and twenty or thirty dollars a night. So I was like, oh shit like that's like 400 bucks that like that Expedia just kind of fucked us over with and we just kind of sat there like Look basically like oh, I don't know what we're going to do. Like, I don't know how this is gonna work out. I need to talk to Expedia and so I'm on the website and I'm like on the Intercontinental website and I'm on an Expedia and I'm reading the emails and looking at all the fine print like figuring out how I can fix this situation and my boyfriend's like just call them just calm so I call Expedia and I was on hold for like 20 minutes and then finally somebody answers my explain what happens and the guy was like I would be more than Willing to change the reservation for you and help you out and we could totally fix that but our system is down right now and I advise you call back in two hours. I was like, thanks so much like have a great day like a still really nice and then I hung up just kind of like pull my head on the window. My boyfriend's like so it happened and I was like there were systems down. So there was that and we just kind of sat there like literally like what the fuck are we going to do? And I was kind of upset and then that just like spiraled into me being upset about losing my bracelet and I was like why can't anything go right and I was just like sitting there having my shitty five minutes and my boyfriend was on his phone trying to figure something out and after like 5 minutes. I just kind of looked at him and I said well, we're in Kansas City and he was like, yeah we are and I said, well, let's go do Kansas City because when this all happened like we were literally just sitting In a random parking lot and we've been to Kansas City several times like it's not an uncommon thing for people from Nebraska to just like drive down for the weekend and I was like well, like let's go to the coffee shop. Like let's go do what we would normally do in Kansas City and he was like, well, are you going to change like what are we going to do? And I was like there is nothing that we can do right now. Like there's nothing we can do about this hotel. There's nothing I can do about my bracelet while we're here like bubble we can do is have our mini vacation and enjoy ourselves and go Do the things that we came here to do like shop and eat good food, and I wanted to get coffee and was like, there's no reason why they should be circumstances should determine the outcome of our trip and so he's like, alright, let's do it like get directions. Let's go get Starbucks. And yeah, so I also let me mention I looked very homeless she get this bleep because I was wearing like black sweats a gray hoodie my cheetah print coat and like my new pink sunglasses that I Bought um, and because I had like slept in those clothes and that I just threw on my coat when we left because all of my stuff is not Caleb's because when I left the nurses prom I went straight to my boyfriend's and then we had to go to Caleb's get all my stuff blah blah so very homeless Chic and I was kind of upset because I wanted to shower and change and get ready. But I was like, you know what we're just going to do the damn thing. Like we don't have a choice at this point and I got directions for a Starbucks and we were kind of talking about the things we wanted to do there and there was this really cute Bakery. Green coffee shop. It's called Mud Pie in Kansas City. And it's all vegan. Everything is weekend. And I went through this summer with Connor and they actually had a pumpkin chocolate chip vegan muffin and it was literally on my bucket list, like dead-ass. I could take a picture of my bucket list and you guys would see this on there. It's on my bucket list to have a vegan pumpkin muffin because pumpkin muffins are my favorite and I hadn't had one so long and this place is the only place I've ever found that has them. So that was great God. To cross that off my bucket list in the summer, but I was telling Connor I was like, oh, I really want to go back to that place. Like we'll have to grab breakfast there sometime or something and we ended we've got to Starbucks and we got out of the car and we were like, holy shit. We've been in this area before like we've been on this street before because we just like looked up the nearest Starbucks and I was like, holy shit like a mud pie Bakery is like two doors down from this Starbucks, like even though everything was going wrong like with the hotel and I didn't have my bracelet and I like looked like a Is and everything even though everything was going wrong. We still ended up at Starbucks where I did get a really good heist coffee. And then we were like feet away from Mud Pie Bakery. So then I went over there and got my pumpkin muffin took my makeup off in the car and then I changed in the car and we went to the mall. The only other logical thing to do. So moral of the story is it was a shit show and then finally we went shopping for a couple hours. I called Expedia they refunded me all the uh money and then we ended up staying just at like a holiday in because there was a cheer competition there that weekend and all the hotels were booked up. So we just stayed at like this cute little holiday in and it was a really good time and everything worked out in the end and we got to do our shopping. We got to have our good food and coffee and all the things that we wanted. So yes, that's the crazy story of Kansas City and kind of how I've shifted how I shifted my mood there, but I want to talk specifically about shifting out of each of those things. So in case you didn't Catch them as I was talking. I want to be more specific. So you guys do with my Louis Vuitton bracelet getting lost like I noticed when we got to the event center because I took my coat off and I gave it to somebody to hang up and I got a bracelet because in 21, it's like showed that you could drink and so I was getting this bracelet put on and I looked at Caleb and I just held up my wrist and I was like fuck that's when I realized it was gone and immediately I didn't want to ruin the night so immediately I just shifted out of that like in that That second even though I was panicked I was like, you know, it's got to be at your apartment. Like I just told myself over and over again. It's got to be a your apartments got to be at your apartment and I just didn't worry about it because I wasn't going to let that ruin my my night. Well, it hasn't been found yet. So it could be hiding somewhere in Caleb's apartment that we just don't know yet. We're still unsure of where it went. But how I've kind of shifted out of it is I've taken a step back to realize like okay, why am I so upset about this? Like I realized I was upset because it was like the First thing I got to buy on Rodeo in La which was a big deal for me because the first time I could go into a store and just like buy a bracelet that's like $700 like that's not not that hasn't been my normal up until this point. And so that was kind of a big deal and also that bracelet had been on my bucket list or not my bucket list. I have been on my vision board for like three months before I bought it. So it was a big deal for me and that's why I was really upset. I was like all of my work and all of my manifesting and all that. That and then it just kind of got taken away from me. And then I realized that okay. How does this relate to my life goals and I thought about it and I want to be a billionaire. This is not something new everybody here should know this. I feel like I talked about all the time. I want to be a billionaire in this lifetime and when I'm a billionaire that's going to be pocket change for me. Like I'm going to be spending $700 like a week on like food, you know, like I'm going to be eating good food and like have a private chef and $700 is not going to be a big deal. That's just going to be Normal thing and so I can buy any length of time bracelet at that point. And so I just made it less of an emotional attachment to something and reminding myself that there's more where that came from. And like I said when I shift it out of that I just immediately shifted when I was booking the hotel that one really fucked me up because I was like, oh my God, that's so annoying. Like what are we going to do? I don't know if I'll get my money back. I just kind of gave myself that shitty five minutes. Like I told you I put my head on the glass and Was just kind of like I don't know what we're going to do and kind of felt it out. And I decided I consciously decided that I was only going to be a shitty five minutes because I do not believe in a shitty day. I don't believe in a shitty day. That's a choice. You got to choose if you want to drag your shitty mood out into a whole day. I don't even really believe in a shitty our like, I mean your bounce back time will get smaller and smaller as you learn to do this, but for me, like I can bounce out of a mood and 5 to 10 minutes, so I gave myself that five minutes and then I just Shifted back I was like, okay. Well, we're here like why are we wasting our time in the car? Just like sitting around moping when we could be like going out and doing things and having fun and being more free-flowing. And so those are just some of the ways I shipped out of things but my best hack for shifting a mode is just laughing. This is the most important thing. I've learned over the last two weeks is to just laugh more your mood is instantly so much better when you laugh at yourself when you laugh at A jokes like I've been obsessed with David dobrik on YouTube recently. If you have not heard of Vlog Squad and him like you need to go watch right after you listen to this episode because I just die of laughter watching his videos. And so I watch them like every day because I always want to make sure I'm always laughing. It's such a good way to elevate your Vibe. And when I realized my bracelet was gone, I was like, oh shit, like I must've left it in the apartment not a big deal and then just went back to enjoying myself and laughing and dancing and talking to people. And with the hotel, I just kind of laughed and I was like, oh my God, like how was the universe going to work this one out and just like making it a joke and being like, okay. Well like I look homeless right now. I like I'm rocking a home this Chic look right now, but like let's go do things and just make it more fun. Bring them were playful energy into it. And I think that's really important when it comes to manifesting and changing our Vibe and all the goods. Oh my God, you guys I just took a break to drink this green juice and it it is so painful. I don't know what's so bad about it. Like it hurts my throat. I don't understand. I need to look up some of these ingredients everything's organic and it's all like fruits and vegetables but there's like chore Clover Ella. I don't know what that is. There's also Ginger and that could be like kind of spicy not like spicy. I don't know. I don't know the green juice is gross, but I've been wishing it because The next thing we're going to talk about here. So we've covered shifting. You need a laugh every day. We're shifting our moods or having a shitty five minutes and that is all and now I want to talk about next level self stuff because the more we can shift the faster we can shift the faster. We can move back into that place. In fact into that state of being your next level self because there is something interesting. I have noticed last month or two of my life is I have this pattern of up leveling and it's kind of like Two three week pattern for me and it goes in like different stages. So I kind of decide on my next level. I maybe I'll Journal out. This is what my next level self is like maybe this is what my next little life looks like. Oh kind of Define that and I'll pick out the patterns and the habits that I would have and then I go to the stage of up level. That's when I start to be her. That's when I change things around like me right now drinking the green juices and me the past couple weeks hiring more employees and really Oh, he's tapping into the CEO role and trying to learn how to manage people and then there's this stage like in that up level where you feel really uncomfortable where you get scared about things having three employees scares the hell out of me, but I knew that that would be a good thing when we are up leveling. We need to be doing more of those things that kind of scare us that challenge us that stretch us. Like for me. Another thing I'm doing is I'm going to start running Pinterest ads so I can get my freebies in front of more people and I'm just setting Boundaries around when I take calls and when I create certain content and that scares me. It's like oh my gosh. Well, what if this person can't do that and you know, just all the excuses and things that are uncomfortable and while all of this rearranging my schedule has been so effing crazy like in between meetings and between training people and onboarding people and starting new projects and implementing new workflows and it's like all of that plus school plus any calls I have everything has been crazy and that's how I know. I'm in the middle of this up level. So that's like the step two of my weird up levels and then the third is getting comfortable. That's when you start to level out. So we like I've decided on the up level I start to up level things get crazy and then you get comfortable then you're like, okay this workflow is going really well. I feel really good. Like everything's going great, but we don't want to stay there for very long because that's like a Toto phase, you know when you work out for a long time and then your workout stop working because your body gets used to it and then you plateau that's how this is an up leveling you starting to Plateau that you get the same results. Nothing's growing nothing's changing until you hit the next level and everything's good, but none you need to go higher and so then you have to start the process all over again and I'm noticing myself literally going through this every two weeks and I can go through this really quickly because I'm not afraid to jump into the Things that scare me which is like one of my superpowers. I highly suggest you do it to every time I'm on a coaching call with any of my new clients. We map out like some really really big scary goals and they'll tell me like their goals. I'd be like, okay. So what are your goals for the next 6 months and they'll be like this this and that and I'm like, okay. I'm like, well, that's probably a really small what about happened like two months. Well, then what and it causes you to expand it causes you to get a little bit more outside of what you think is Possible it stretches you and that's the whole point. So that's been my kind of pattern and I've been in this stage of constantly up leveling this whole 2019 honestly, like it's all been a weird uphill battle and then a couple plateaus. So that's just that I thought I'd tell you guys about that. It's interesting when you're focusing and intentionally uploading your life. You will notice these patterns in yourself. Maybe yours will be different. Maybe it won't I've never heard of anybody talking about out and up level pattern. This is just something I've recently noticed in myself. So I like that a lot and okay. So let's just talk about other Next Level self shit. So once we get to that comfortable stage, we have to Next Level Up Level Up level to the next level. Oh my God, that's so complicated. So you decided on your up level you get uncomfortable. You're in the up level and then you plateau. Everything's going great. It's smooth sailing. Feels comfortable and then we have to start over and so that's something I'm going through. I will be going through pretty soon because I'm in the crazy and figuring out how to get comfortable and then I'll have to up level again. But the way I'm constantly doing this is I'm just taking it to my journal and going through the same questions over and over and over again when it comes to up leveling. I'm like, okay, I think about my next level self. What is her life look like what's her lifestyle look like what does her work look like how many employees does she have what kind of support does? She have like oh she have a PR team. Does she have a CFO? You know, like whatever that's going to look like. What is the traveling that she's doing how she traveling first class business class whatever and I look at all of the like tangible things like okay to she have Louis Vuitton luggage blah blah blah her Range Rover, of course, that's always on everyone every list ever but my car list has expanded. Actually, let's update. I'm gonna get my Range Rover first and then I want a customized Tesla. So if you guys Seen Kylie Jenner's Rolls-Royce. It's like baby blue. And the inside has like a sparkly roof. It's super cute. I want basically exactly that but in a Tesla, so baby pink baby pink interior, probably black rims and then a sparkly ceiling. So that's going to be my Tesla and then I want to get a matte black G wagon and then I think I want to get a black Land Rover because I'm going to get a white Range Rover and I want a black Land Rover. So that's my car list, but But anyways, I write down all of these things like what are the physical material items that my next little self would have and then I write down. How does she act like what is her vibe? Like she is she energetic if she kind of she loving for me. I'm I always write down that she loves to have fun. She's having fun. She's laughing. She's smiling. She's having a good time all the time. She's making jokes. She's really funny. So I talked about the personality traits basically and then I talked about energy levels. Like how is she energized when a Doing to be energized and that's like the body piece for me. It's like she does yoga couple times a week and she drinks her green juices and her breakfast is always a smoothie and she's eating all organic food. And basically I combine all of this into this massive picture of my next level self and I make that my identity if you are looking for a good podcast episode about identity. I've been really obsessed with Ed my let's podcast and he has a great episode about why it's so important to be shifting your identity. All the time so definitely go check that out. But I literally wrote a list of the identity of my next level self. So when I'm feeling into right now is the version of me who makes like multiple six figures like I just put on money number to it because that is kind of like the material part of the up level. Like I can feel myself personally or like emotionally up leveling but having like the money go with it. I don't know just makes me feel more real for me. So it's not something you have to do, but it's something that I do so I literally have written down the identity of a multiple six-figure. Figure earning Michaela and I'm just going to read you guys my list. Like honestly, this is the very first page in my brand new notebook. I got so every time I open it I read through it like literally every single day. So I have green juices and healthy meals check daily runs and yoga that's something I need to do next week since I'm navigating the craziness weekly treatments, so that would be like a weekly like a weekly spa treatment whether it's getting my nails done I massage my Be going to like a float tank getting a facial. I think I have a getting a blowout whatever that's going to look like some kind of weekly treatment spends time dancing every day watches funny YouTube videos and it's just having fun all the time collaborations with all of my favorite online people like how I just taught my master class with the Ferrari how I'm always talking to Brooke like 25/8 another one's makes life a game and lets it be easy getting dressed up my makeup. Nails done hair done clean and hydrated. I'm really not good. I'm getting better after getting more water. That's one of my big focuses right now green juice and water in constant conversation with the universe for downloads just really intuitive makes them minimum of $1,000 each day. So this is an interesting note that I want to bring up. So when it comes to money manifesting you are always receiving your minimum. So if you are minimizing, Mum is like zero dollars, then that's what you're receiving like zero dollars a day. If you're telling yourself, like the only time I get paid as payday, like that's your minimum. Your minimum is receiving money on Payday for me. I'm creating a life where my minimum is going to be a thousand dollars every day and that feels really fucking good for me and really exciting and you have the power to choose this because you get to make all of your own rules when it comes to money when it comes to life when it comes to love literally, whatever you make the rules. And so that's just a rule and making for myself. It's just I make a minimum of $1,000 each day. And that's just how my life goes monthly first class luxury travel high-level friends who also like have online businesses aligned hustle. So just being busy doing lots of things that I love or doesn't feel like work always on my business shit. This is literally a bullet point and adding investments into kind of what I'm doing my business like investments in stock and then always learning through courses reading and just evaluating my own thoughts and processing them through journaling and then feel safe with lots and lots of money in my bank account and in my savings, so that's the identity of the multiple six-figure earner Michaela and this is something that I wrote a couple of days ago that I'm just reading every day and this is how I'm up leveling and like this is what I'm stepping into because we always need to be going through the up level like I mentioned at the beginning of this episode. I kind of failed at this last Month because they hit all of my goals so early in the month that I was in that Plateau phase for like the next like two weeks and you do not want to stay in the plateau phase for probably more than like a day like I remember a week ago or so. I was voiced netting Brooke and I was like everything feels really good everything smooth sailing. I feel really happy with it. And it's just all good. I'm like, I feel like I need to do more that scares me and that's when I I wrote this list out because that's when I started the pattern over again, but in January, I didn't do that and everything started to go backwards. It was like more random bills would pop up and weird situations would pop up that were just reversal of the thoughts that I was intentionally having and it was really confusing but it was because I wasn't up leveling that next level self version of me. So what I'm doing right now to up level is like I said journaling out this page and read it every day, and I'm just Asking myself constantly. Like what would the next level version Michaela do what would the next level version Michaela do like she wouldn't sleep in she would get up and go do her morning ritual. She wouldn't just throw away. The green juice. She would finish drinking it no matter how bad it is and just do it. She would reach for maybe a salad over like I don't know like fries and a burger like one of my friends and I went to dinner the other day and he's like, where do you want to go and I was like, oh, let's go to this like salad bar. That's like a next-level self Michaela thing. Why she would go walk on the treadmill and take calls. If she didn't have time to go to the gym that day it just kind of making decisions from her perspective because the more you do that the more that just becomes your own perspective and that's really the big takeaway. I want you guys to have out of all of this. So that's kind of an overview of like the last couple weeks of my life all of the weird traumas shifting out of weird moods and shifting it to the up level over and over and over again, and it's just going to become second nature for you guys, honestly. I have been focusing on Next Level self since basically when I started with manifestation and I'm constantly changing things and up leveling things and maybe this list that I have now. It's going to change it'll probably change in two weeks because I will become this person very quickly because I do all the things make me uncomfortable, but maybe there are things on here that I don't really value anymore and I can change that. Maybe I know I'm going to definitely want the I say, maybe I don't want first class travel, which I probably will but I have the freedom of the Flexibility and the choice to change that so don't be afraid of these lists anyways or anyways, I guess either you can always cross things out and rewrite a new one to make it resonate with how you're feeling. So that's what I have for you guys today. I have you guys are going to sit down and kind of write out your next level self. Definitely DM me on Instagram and let me know like what the next level self version of you what she's like what she does. I just love hearing about this. It's like my favorite thing to talk about because it's so freaking important. So I feel free to D mu over on Instagram. I'm at the Michaela J and let me know what's going on. Don't forget to grab the gist bundle while it's 50% off and you guys are listening to this. It'll be like the last couple days for you guys to grab the bundle for half price. So definitely definitely do that and get all the high Vibes, and that's all for now. So I will talk to you guys next Tuesday on an interview, and I hope you have the greatest week. Okay. Bye. Thanks for driving in. In and getting your daily dose of personal development with the mindset magic and manifestation podcast. If you loved this episode leave a rate and review on iTunes for notes details and more information. Check out Michaela, Jay.com. See you next week.

In episode 48, Mikayla is doing WHAT SHE DOES BEST ...dishing out all the goods on how to manifest your next-level luxe life!!! She discusses shifting your mood, and the importance of continually up-leveling your next-level self. You will be given inspiring tips, questions to ask yourself, and you will hear personal accounts of how Mikayla experienced these and uses them in her own life. In this episode: + Ways to shift your mood + Shitty 5 minutes + Best high-vibe hack + Up-leveling to your NEXT, next-level self...then repeat! (AH-HA moment??? You will see that these patterns have play out in all of our lives, whether you were aware of it or not, but now that you have awakened to this realization, you can use them in a powerful and purposeful way to continually grow vs. hitting a wall and derailing) + Mikayla’s “Identity of the Multiple Six-Figure Earner” list + Money Minimum Manifestation Hack + BIG TAKEAWAY: Ask yourself “What would the next level (fill in your name) do?”  Then make decisions from that higher-self’s perspective. The more often you do that, the quicker you will step into that! APPLY FOR ONE-ON-ONE COACHING WITH MIKAYLA HERE! Snag the GYST Bundle for 50% off here! All the basics on mindset, manifestation, starting to manifest money and success, plus so much MORE! SPIRITUAL SPLURGE - AirPods of course!! Look like a high vibe boss with them in. SO convenient. If you don't have them - buy them here! New freebie alert!!! Use your astrological strengths to manifest with my FREE Manifestrology guidebook here!! Can't get enough?

Hi, I'm Tony riddle. And this is the natural life stylist podcast. So way back in December. I had this crazy idea to run from Land's End to John o'groats in just 30 days, but I wasn't just going to run it. I was going to run it Barefoot to raise funds for environmental Charities and collaborate with world-leading experts to raise awareness and money for six organizations fighting the top sustainability issues of our time. I knew running Barefoot would raise many are socially extreme eyebrow and with that eyebrow raising Behavior, I would be able to provide a perfect platform to highlight the importance of connecting with our environment and those key sustainability issues of our time today. I'm joined behind the mic with Miry wild rise Fierce wild swimming surfing and sustainability sister the one and only Sophie Hellyer or to those closer to her Sophie. Hell, yeah. So if he was once a champion Surfer National level she co-created the movement rise Fierce which inspires women to try Cold Water Swimming promoting body neutrality and improving mental and physical health. So if he has become a prominent voice on matters of ocean pollution plastic waste sustainable fashion eco-friendly living as I taken forever to run 20 miles to get to Sophie. This is a brief combo of just Five minutes however, its potent and we packed in a lot of sustainability magic here. I really do. Hope you enjoy that magic. Peace out. So I'm here with wonderful Sophie you forgot your name Sophie's 2025 miles in today, and I'm a bit wiped, but we're going to I'm going to hold space because I realized that No problem with his commitment to running 30 miles a day was also to hold space for sustainability experts. I'm going to call Sophia sustainability expert because I've been following her for quite some time now as well as being like, you know into wild swimming just like myself and rewilding there's so much more to her and I think I think we all need to hear from Sophie and it's just a shame. We only have about 20 minutes. Yeah, but welcome Sophie Hi, it's really good to see you. Nearly solved on your shoulder. Just thought it was like I just needed that female energy. It's going to bring me in another few miles to go. Yeah, so people might know you as Surfer. Yeah. Yes. It's kind of weird as well be lost what I do and because I haven't surfed like competitively for a long time now, so and I've been living in London the last year so it's still I'm still like very attached to the fact I Surf and I'm a surfer but it's not really what I do for a job. Anyway, yeah, so that's so that's for people who don't know Sophie. Hell. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah what have so few do Sophia? What is the Sophie do? I hold women's Retreats that cold water swimming yoga and surfing have an amazing hashtag. What is it? I'm raised fears rise first. I love without a woman's kind of outdoor wild swimming movement of cobras face. It did begin about Getting up in the morning and being Fierce and it became about so much more about like rising up in life to meet whatever challenges. Yeah your friend took with. Yes. I run the women's Retreats. I also write for different magazines and newspapers. So right I basically use sport as a vehicle to talk about the going keep going keep going environmental and just gonna ditch the chair can't cope. How's the camera loved with? All right it sorry James. I'm just friend giant. Sorry. Here we go. James is on fire. We good. Yeah, I right. Freelance different magazines and newspapers and I've basically use sport as a vehicle to talk about different environmental and feminist issues social issues, I guess. Yeah, and I do bit freelance producing and I do some public speaking and yeah, I get converted a different job every week. It is a different job every week. It seems like that if there's someone that follows you it's like, ah, she's so busy you like it's like work work work work work. So if we talk about sustainability, how do you sustain that yourself? You know because we're all in the same. Nobility, but also needs to be yeah. Look, how does Sophia the human absolutely stain and I really do. I know I had a bit of a challenging day yesterday. Someone very close to me lives with some quite serious mental health issues and can be really hard for me to support that. Sometimes I really like for me the Cold Water Swimming is my That's my kind of Savior. Yeah, like for me that it going in the cold Waters like hitting the reset button. It just helps me like completely restart. Day deal with everything in the same with if I can't go swimming than yoga like finding that space on my mat and that time is kind of really the meat. I'm like the water is my church, I guess. Yes lovely. I feel that. It's been my savior on this run its kind of we're staying at the moment on this farm and I have an avid ice stream and a fire and I get in sit in the Stream and it's just like if if there was a sound to it would definitely be you know, as I put my feet into the water and then I can just feel the system just starting to just melt away ready, which is bizarre because you're in cold water, right but it's just it's that softening. It's definitely a great space to get into. Yes what it's a Outside the human of Sophie then let's get this guy into sustainability. We're going to smash through it because we've got like a really quick time now Tony's got an important. I've got I've got I've got I've got a phone call the BBC plastic free periods. Yeah. So because yeah mom and dad of three girls right now, you're gonna have to go there and I think and I think these conversations are so important again, like why am I running this 30 miles a day 30 consecutive days. It's because that's what I can do. Right something I can give ya know. It's a message to my kids that when I'm older in 20 years time it's not going to be but what did you what did you do in with this huge decline right now? And so I want to be able to educate them in things like plastic free periods. Right? Yes. I definitely there so I grew up surfing in North Devon and it was a regular occurrence there to see use sanitary pads and tampons and condoms kind of floating past you in the sea and of had sanitary pads kind of hit me in the face before and I'm paddling for a wave and the fool the Stick tampon applicators as like I did a beach clean actually on the Thames by my house and London. I saw it. I saw it could be found and our I think I found like maybe 40 plastic tampon applicators on the beach. Basically anything that goes down the toilet ends up in the rivers or in the sea, if not in landfill having landfills probably the best place it can go which is pretty depressing. But luckily there are loads of reusable kind of sustainable alternatives to So like tampons most tampons have like a lot of them have plastic applicators. But even the ones that don't contain a thin layer of plastic inside them and they basically bleach cotton balls. That's pretty nasty thing to be putting inside yourself and sanitary pads contain the same plastic as about four or five plastic carrier bags and in the UK the last night endocrine disruptors as well, right? Yeah. I have no idea how bad it is for your body, but I'm sure it's but it's normalized totally normalized and actually the the ReUse Alternatives are not normalized in people think they're kind of weird and hippyish, but which is I mean, I guess I'm a hippie but in the UK, I think it's 2.5 million tampons and 1.5 million sanitary pads are flushed down the toilet every single day. That's okay. It's a whole lot of kind of plastic just getting flushed down the toilet and most of it funny its way out into the sea. Yeah, and it's so aligns with surface against sewage or I met him right here. You to really be hitting it off you baby. I'm going to make you go next week really moving down to that area soon. So yeah, it's just such great work. Yeah, absolutely, you know because really we talkin about what the individual can do right now, right? Yeah, and it's, you know taking control of like especially for a woman for to couldn't take control of her cycle like that and I went I don't know how far in debt to go with it. But if your stove it's like one of the main reusable Alternatives is menstrual cups. Yes. I use one called of Cup, which is just a cup works like a small little cell a good cop. You're busy just fold and pop inside yourself. It collects the blood for eight hours. You pop it out empty it rinse it reuse it. So you're not flushing it down the toilet and getting rid of it at the end. You just reusing this slick and cup for years. Wow. Well, nothing leaks is now you don't need pads or anything on that with it. I mean, if you're scared of leakage, then you can leave it in for like up to eight hours as well as you'd have to be changing it all the time, which is really useful. You can also get period pants, which is great especially for teens. So like when you're young girls come into Having their periods period pants are amazing because you just put on pants and carrying them and they are growing or they're quite common now. I think they're definitely getting more mentoring and more popular as a couple of brands that make quite there's like friends like thinks and flux are making like good stylish pants. And again, that's moving towards Organics. And yeah animal. Yeah, absolutely, but the using the cup kind of makes you really in tune with your cycle a bit more because you're kind of seeing the blood and the color of the blood consistency of the blood and just kind of like for me that's the aspect of The rewarding part again just it's not this thing that you never seen you flush a way. It's like you're actually getting in tune with what's coming out your body on one cycle. I think you're so important, isn't it? Because Yeah, I think most people are lost touch any way that lost touch of a hormonal system and it's so important, isn't it? Yeah, totally. So what about alternatives for contraception? And so I track my cycle there's obviously there's an absolutely no one-size-fits-all contraception and you kind of have to work out what works for you and and it's some people have conditions they can't do certain things, but I track my psyche I take my temperature every morning. Yeah, I use an app, which I know a lot of this gets a lot of press some Some bad, but I use an app called natural cycles, which works really well for me and my body so I have a really regular cycle. I sleep about the same amount every night, you know, I go to bed at 10:00 and I wake up at 6:00. And yeah, so for me the regular lifestyle it really fits. I just take my temperature every morning. I put it in the app and the algorithm basically tells me whether I'm on a Green Day or red day. And if you're on a red day, it means that you use if you're having sex and you're not looking to conceive then you just use other contraception to on a red day. Yeah, we would either. The use condoms or yeah, so I have been off of the pail for about God. I was on the pill from when I was 15 for a decade. So 10 years on the contraceptive pill wreaking havoc on the hormonal system. Yeah, which again I mean for some people the pills amazing and for some people it really works. But yeah to me like that was a really challenging time for me and my life and I had I was experiencing depression and I'm not sure what affects my hormones had and all of that as well. So Felt really good to kind of come off of it and embrace the natural thing a little bit more. It definitely suits My Lifestyle better. Well, it is getting back into rewilding against an it. And I guess if you worked with that when you're working with your cycle, you have so much more in tune aren't you? Yeah, it's yeah, absolutely. It's a kind of a delicate thing to talk about and a lot of people whenever I talk about tracking my cycle the natural way, I get a lot of pushback and a lot of people kind of speaking up against it. It seems to be the thing that People want to police the most in a way, like people aren't very happy to hear that you're embracing your cycle and tracking it naturally like you but I could sit but the stats on how successful that is compared to so the app I use is FDA-approved contraception and it's in the same Effectiveness category as a contraceptive pill now you can is more effective than condoms to find higher Effectiveness category is on condoms. I don't know if top of my head but I think condoms like in high 80s Okay, I wouldn't want to say the exact stats you have to do it so you can find out in a quick Google but the pill and the app with like with normal use or whatever in the mid-90s. Yeah, and then I think that IUD like the coil is the highest one. Yeah, but you know people say like yes, I'm your cycle and it's traits of stagnation. Yeah, and they get a lot of mechanical back pain is that other stuff that comes through with that? Yeah, I know a few of my friends have had them fitted and had a bad experience, but I'm sure for every bad experience is a good experience. Yeah. Hmm. I just yeah the it's interesting whenever I talk about tracking my cycle the Natural Way, someone will always come up and go all my friends got pregnant doing that. But I'm sure a lot of people friends have also got pregnant using condoms and on the pill, but for some reason you never get the bite back if you don't like the the yeah because you're seeing is this Stage IT seen again as socially extreme. Yeah, that's perfect. Normal, yeah, right and it's been like that forever. Right? Hmm. Obviously not using temperature other means yeah, it's so good. So V because I was hit by a question on a podcast. It was wandering into work wandering into wild knit wandering into wildness mildness into wondering and somewhere through the podcast woman said to me just because it's my field. I think I just want to ask you what are you going to teach? What are you going to teach your children around their cycle? Hmm? Mmm, and I was it was so out of context because we were off on some kind of on another Journey. Yeah, and I was a bit like I go I guess Katarina's going to have that conversation with them which I would expect which seems perfectly normal to me that it would be the mom that would be in there. But I think it's also important for dads to have an understanding of it totally to be involved and to help celebrate it the same as what I said if I had a son that you know, I'm going to create like a real rite of passage around his voice breaking. Yeah, the loader Emilio again. I want to create a ceremony or a celebration. I know I for them to honor it, you know much like shame and stigma attached around these areas. And yeah, absolutely like what if when you got your first period you threw a little party and you will likely celebrate it as opposed to like hiding in thinking it's just dirty thing and I think that addressing that shame around it and kind of breaking period two views is the first stage to addressing like period poverty other things like FGM. So going on in the UK was very proud of poverty. See her poverty is basically this loads of girls and women in the UK and all over the world who can't who don't go to school when they're on their period so if you can't afford proper period products. Wow, then you know, if you have you haven't got pair of products, then you just be bleeding through essentially. So you you can't afford those products and you miss school on Thursday. Okay. So how sustainability how long does the Cup last it's definitely the more sustainable option. I think I have to double-check on the thing. I should know this more than three years so schools could Yes, you can you could get behind there. So my friend at City to see Nats a charity they kind of got behind there. They started the hashtag plastic free periods at the moment schools. There's a new thing it's amazing schools of said in the UK, they're going to give free period products to all school kids in primary and secondary schools and UK, which is amazing. That is amazing. However, okay, what they what it could be likely to happen would be that they give out a lot of Plastic Products, right? So schools have also have the AIM that they're going to go play. A stick three like they will Michael Gove said all schools are going to go pass it free by 2022 or something. Okay. So it makes no sense for them to start giving these free period plot products out and be given loads of free plastic period products so Nazi to see they started in jazz. They started a petition to Michael Gove to make sure he only accepts like tender for the bid for this plastic free periods from from companies that are doing plastic free periods. Sorry, so hopefully A lot of people have got behind it. We've got loads of school teachers have signed it. I'll share the link on my social feeds. We can put it in here as well. Yeah, and then hopefully what will happen is that when the schools start giving out the three products will be that they're giving out, you know, organic cotton tampons menstrual cups and period pants instead of loads of plastic shit. Yeah fingers crossed amazing. Hmm. There's amazing where we at. We have five minutes Sophie. So I have to where we are. So we're not just goes right in a particles in it where we are. So we're about to go for a run together and we're going to little trip together. I'm going to wear shoes though. Well, I need a five-minute radio thing and then we're gonna go for a troll. You're gonna have some shoes on I'm gonna wear some shoes because I don't actually I think it's known as the guys at Vivo who told me that I shouldn't just go straight into running like 510 K Beth. I should do my like normal 5K in them for the last K like changing to Barefoot and slowly. Change my lifestyle to Barefoot. Yeah, that's if you're not being necessarily taught in technique, if you're taught the appropriate technique and posture Rhythm relaxation and what we've breath work and stuff like that. Then you can certainly get yourself to a track and just get around the track and then do some more drills and go off again. We're going to do technique when you're back enhance their but for today I play what we can do loads in the back in Hampstead on the ponds again, it's going to get colder and I saw you doing a little technique session with Richie on his stories, so I copied some of What you've done with he's meeting me he's coming. He's coming on the 10th cool strength Temple. So let's just go back to sustainability. So what would you say people can be actioning today? What are the things they can be doing to be be the change and to make a difference in the yeah. So I guess there's like the big ones in the little ones the littlest things are things like number one carrying a reusable water bottle every is kind of annoying. They like a clunky thing to carry around but if you can do that and start saying no to plastic bottles, that's kind of a massive win in your personal. Yeah, I guess the big ones are reducing your meat consumption and eating kind of sustainable. Well Source meat instead of bad, you know meat from cheap meat for yeah industrialized domesticated. Yeah and what it fed me number two. It's secondhand September at the moment. So fast fashion is really really bad for the environment. I don't miss out on these things. I never know where they are. There's so many of them secondhand September second hand clothes for September, but it is a slow fashion season as well any at all. Or buy second-hand. Yeah, and then yes sustainable travel. So seeing if you can do staycations holidaying locally trying to reduce your flying. So yeah for me. Those are the kind of big three of you can reduce your meat consumption reduce your fast facing fashion consumption and stop flying quite as much as it doesn't mean don't fly ever, but just try and cut out the cheap weekends abroad brilliant. Yeah that and then on a small scale level reusable water bottles. Try and buy your veg at the Market or you know a boxer doing this great sign up at the moment. We get your box for the first box for a fiver and explain odd box odd, but I haven't had one yet myself. I've I have the river third one, which I think you get to right. Yeah, I love the veg box of box of the ones that supermarkets only take perfect orange straight carrots and perfect red round tomato. So any that the supermarket say no to because they're odd shapes or colors or box go and collect them all up and send them out. So you're kind of getting perfectly good veg that some slightly odd shape. There we go. Yeah. Yeah, there are few things that yeah, it's a few things to make a difference make the change. Thank you, Sophie. No worry, you're wonderful. And if you're a person who has periods try some reusables. Try some reusables. There we go. Wow, so that was a Punchy conversation short sweet, but delivering everything it needed to I really enjoyed my time as Sophie had earlier what a being she is as a father of three daughters. I found this conversation. So vital you can find out all about Sophie's dead Endeavors including her rise fears Retreats via her Instagram page or by heading to Sophie helier.com if you like the Besides in in please show some love by spreading the message wide and far if you have in any way been inspired by my barefoot sustainably running challenge, then please make a donation to one or more to sustainability environmental organizations that I am fundraising for. You will find all the just giving pages in The Links provided remember peeps. We can't all live in nature, but that doesn't mean we can't live naturally.

I really enjoyed my time behind the mic with the one that is Sophie Hellyer - what a being she is. I had just completed 20 slow and sticky barefoot miles and found that we only had 20 mins to drop the mic! Yes, 20 minutes might seem short in time, but it was punchy and definitely didn’t fall short in delivering the integrity of Sophie’s sustainability message. You never know which way a conversation is going to go, but I was delighted with the direction of this. As a father to three daughters I found this particular sustainability conversation of vital importance. You can find out about all of Sophie’s endeavours including her risefierce reteats via @sophiehellyer or by heading to www.sophiehellyer.com. If you have in anyway been inspired by my barefoot sustainability running challenge then please make a donation to one or more of the sustainability and environmental organisations that I am fundraising for; Rain Forest Alliance https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tony-riddle1 Extinction Rebellion https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/tony-riddle-extinctionrebellion Surfers Against Sewage https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tony-riddle-surfersagainstsewage Care International https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tony-riddle Client Earth https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tony-riddle-clientearth Greenpeace Uk https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tony-riddle-greenpeace

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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now, let's a buzz good huh? Thank you. Thank you. Yes, welcome welcome one and all to The Challenge season 34. We've got a double header Field tonight. We've also got the bomb squad in the building bomber jackets bending over and coming up with funny ways to say they were all wearing bomber here. That's what we came up with it. My name is Daniel angerer. Thank you so much for joining us. I've got two fantastic host of pizza night. Of course. We've got Benjamin Franklin. He's rocking those by Foucault a guy. What's up guys Benny atoms here. Thanks again for joining us we missed you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and can't wait to talk about the challenge. Yeah, and not and last but not least you got the president and CEO of fit TV David your I'm not sure if that's factual information. Actually, it's back. Yes, that's nice. Yeah. Who's the CFO? Good question back and you could be that to marry. You gotta make sure you gotta stick around if we have time. We're going to be playing a fun game tonight. We've got a whole part 1 of a finale be talking about but we're going to start with episode 14, which aired last week. We were off for Thanksgiving if you guys are wondering our studio was closed, but we're here to talk about it now and I want to start with Mine the cart which was the first challenge of that evening and what you guys thought of that. So give me your over thought. Thoughts of Mine the cart not of the whole episodes of mine the carts. I've always a good challenge nothing really sticking out of it. Okay, it wasn't, you know anything special but yeah, it was it was a solid a solid challenge David. Would you think of Mine the cart they had a gold cross in the car and have the swimmers below? Oh, that's right. And then they had to cut the rope right? You got it, correct. Okay. I mean it was it was okay. I agree Benny. I don't think it wasn't that thrilling. Nothing too. Crazy. Jordan killed it as expected price with Will X which is awesome. It was I was confused about a couple things. Um, they said that they had to have at least two girls swim for the US side, right? And then that one guy could swim why didn't like poly or Zach do one of the swims for it to keep it a little more even with they had the girls do it every single time. I then all he was like, oh we have to have girl and later on Plaza know we have to have girls do it the whole time. I was like wait, that doesn't make you literally TJ said one guy could swim for That side I think because if the girls in his swim didn't they have to go up in the car and do the pulling? Yeah, but then like ashes like I can't cut the rope. So right now I wouldn't like to try to keep it at least close. Yeah, I don't know it the whole the whole thing was a little weird. Do you also notice that the episode was only one hour? Yeah, and of the entire season of an hour and a half, this is what I finally wanted was an hour episode and I noticed it because of how short the intro was / my vignette that I like to say. It was super short. They went right to the first challenge. I was like, oh that's That's weird and then the episodes over like oh that was over real fast. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even notice it until I cue you brought it up to me today and I was like, oh it wasn't ours put out so much of the fat with that episode. No bar scenes getting in the way none of this debate. I prefer the episode to be an hour. Well, I mean you think about it like the majority of the cast is gone now. So yeah, it's like how much drama game built with only nine people. Yeah. I definitely like the the shorter thing. All right, let's So we none of us really cared for my in the car. Do you see that Leroy and cam when they fell? Yeah, freaking Leroy shoe fell off. Yeah, that was that fall. That was one of the and they were not he's faulty. Remember that one her brother from seasons ago from the two episodes ago when she fell in. Oh, I saw Lee was Nani that were in there who was in there with Leroy. That was the worst fall. I saw I just remember Nani saying that she's been in so many challenges and things lie. All right nany. Yeah. It was brutal the one Leroy whoever was with it. I think you might be right. I think it was naughty that one was that was right? Yeah, that was definitely rough. Um, all right. So the UK wins it by like a landfall because Jordan is a fish and super super super unfair but they us kill them CT finally hopped off the fence. His ass was hurting him. He hopped off the fence and he made his first move in the night. And Zach is like welcome everyone. I want to introduce CT. Oh my God. Yeah. Zach is having the best season of hey, what did you say? You're not super pumped that CT finally made a move and he's like, you know what guys I think we should keep the team the way it is and it's such like why why the whole season I know they had their numbers with their helping out the other team the whole season, and now that we realize that it really is team versus team and there's no individual. Up happening is you're helping out the other team. Yeah, they and their idea was that they're going to put Tory against Nonny. Thank God they kept worry. She's so strong. Yeah. Yes. I mean, they would have been really regretting that at this point. I think so too. It's hard to do this episode when we already know what happens with the next episode because I'm trying not to jump ahead. So then socios so they'll the own their own team votes in nany and I thought it was really nice that Leroy and who's the other guy? Exact both were like no we want. Ninja in there and they knew Nani was gonna go anyway, they have the forehead the four or five people that got her so then ninety goes in and then CT makes a speech and then she's like, okay, I'm gonna I'll pick these two people to be in it with me Rogen in it's hard to remember two people Rogan and Tory and then CT picks ninja. Yeah, which I love because I do think that she is the weakest girl on that team until I saw to see now until I saw tonight and I'm like car if it's pretty damn we do. But who so she chooses ninja Tory is funny and she goes Ashley now Rogan's got to pick somebody and here's my biggest thing about here's my biggest takeaway Ashley's been so calm this whole season just chilling out and one thing doesn't go Ashley's way. She breaks and it's in same this switch in her and this is the type of stuff. I'm talking about with her cause I really think she's a strong competitor. Yeah, except for her temper like even tonight. I know we're not jumping ahead again. She was so strong tonight eating the bugs walking with Didn't ditch complain if you want probably the strongest strongest girl in this episode. So yeah, Ashley freaks out and it's Ashley first Naughty and here's my first question for you guys tonight. Who are you rooting for Ashley? First is Nani. Nani me to not right. I mean, I don't see why we wouldn't after this whole season. She's been through I really wanted to come back and work. But to who's the better competitor Ashley Ashley was a puzzle Ashley kills it at puzzle. Yeah when I saw a puzzle was like, oh no. Wow. How lost did Ashley really get? She said she completed that in 30 seconds like no, but like how lost no. No the puzzle. I know. I thought 90 would have got it. I thought she was gonna get it when she got lost. Yeah, that that puzzle it literally like you just had to add up the symbols on that puzzle and you had to have them be equal or whatever. I'm gonna give it to you that even figure that out there. That's the puzzle. I mean, that's still pretty good too though. I mean to figure that. I mean I probably would have had to like sit there. No, I'm giving it I'm gonna actually props and I make kind of making fun of Nani where how could you cheating? Like even like look like she even just you just staring at it for like 30 seconds like Johnny that she started to break it down. Well a Ashley 30 seconds later. She's on it. You had it done. I hear ya. You know, I can't talk because if I was in that situation, I'm awful at puzzles. I would have been doing about the same Blank Stare like well, it is just such a simple puzzle went to get when someone explains it but besides the fact that Ashley I think is literally crazy. I don't really think she has a weakness I do think for I know she's good for a female body type which is petite. Yeah - I think she's very strong. She's tearing that bamboo thing tonight like nope. Not even one. They didn't show her at all struggling. I guess you could say. Well not only physically but mentally when it comes to challenges she's very strong too. That's why I mean by the puzzles and stuff like that which we were talking about. I just think I just think that she's kills it. She said it time and time again that you know, she has a lot of heart and that's her that's her strength that she she's confident in herself and that she believes in herself. Mom. Yeah sure that you know, it's a shout-out to the live chat. We see you guys there you guys are going off tonight. I like it. I like it. Someone wrote 99% of people wanted nany to yeah Ashley's overrated Bria Carter thinks Ashley's overrated. I real that's very interesting. I don't think he's overrated of the girls that are left. I think that she honestly is one of the things I think she's I think she can be better than car at this point at this point better than Cara just be carving tonight. We just saw a car break down a multiple things definitely better than ninja ninja she was even carrying that bamboo shoot tonight who again for go ahead. I know. I don't know. I thought that Ashley. With the exception of last season she has some good performances under a song about Ashley. Yeah, because last season she was kicked off first. But otherwise, other than that, she's one of yeah a nice a nice amount of one to two finals, right? Yeah too much even said that marriage. She's like that's a you know, I didn't burn through it and I broke like you guys or something like that remember that comment. Yeah, she's always bringing that up. Yeah. She was saying I got money. Yeah. I'm rich now. She said it's like it's like a million degrees out here and I'm like, well, you stole a million. Some Hunters of suck it up. That's what I was saying, which is like complaining about that. All right. Well, I think that's good. We got it. That's the episode 14. I want to get the fat. I just there's so much to this final and it's so good so far. That's right life. Let's let me break down the teams for us our final teams here. I wrote it down. All right. So on team u.s. We have Leroy Zach Paulie cam Ashley ninja and Cara and on team UK CT Jordan Tori Rogan and D. So let's start with this who you rooting for. And who do you think will win? So who are you rooting for first? I'm rooting for team UK David. Yeah, I agree and I am as well. I have one if you could say here's what hit by the question before we get into who you think will win. Who do you want a school if you could switch players around who would be like your ultimate UK team or your team that you want to win? Mine. Mine would be definitely Jordan CT Zack Leroy, obviously Tori Cam so you're taking everybody. Well, how many can we pick hobby? I don't know. I was just wondering what you guys want who you rooting for because there's people on both teams Theory were rooting for I would take out Rogan from a UK and put in and I will put in Leroy. Okay, and I would put in zap. Okay, Leroy and zap you almost have mine if I could switch a player for a player. I want to take Rogan out and put Zach in because I just think he's having a bomb seas. And I know we all want Leroy to win and all this stuff too. But if I can only switch one That's what I want for my Ultimate Team. I agree with that. But anyways, yeah, then who do you guys think will win this finale only seen part one so far. I think UK is gonna win your case is definitely gonna win u.s. Looks awful. They breaking them. They're both teams are breaking the rules. But like, okay. First of all when TJ is making this list of rules. There's 20 rules. I had to write down he has like 20 different views of and regulations of how this final is supposed to be run and one of them is you can't mess with the other people's Journeys. He's which I guess CT did but I have conspiracy about that in a second and in second. They literally tell them you can't take the bags off the green no matter how messed up your Gurney is right. So literally u.s. Knows this they know it. Like I know your Gurney's messed up put it on the gurney anyways and carry it sideways try and hold it together somehow but you know, you're going to be penalized for this was I thinking and I think that's the thing. I think they do know they're going to be penalized but they're just like what else can they do? And they rather just take that hit and then hope for the best. I think here's my conspiracy for the night. Is that the only reason that CT got punished that 10-minute time penalty is because the producers are seeing how far u.s. Is just struggling and like we got to somehow keep this list. There's not like there's like because usually the individuals rights you have like five or six people running and like who knows how close each one is like it's literally one or the other. Yeah, and if one gets a million miles ahead the show's over we're watching it for no reason to the person's like, oh my God, we have to give it to skim a 10-minute time penalty. He touched her he brushed against car too. Harshly. They mean he did kind of like 5 minutes 10 minutes even like what CT said seats. So start from it's stage one checkpoint one and well, let's do stage one. They have to have to go for miles to the get to the first checkpoint 16 miles altogether for people can carry the gurney at a time. You can't switch onto the gurney unless you're at the next checkpoint. You can't take the bags and carry them and you can't touch each other's Granny's what our checkpoint one is leveraged up and you have to make a bass. No. No, it's catapult. It's catapult, right? Yeah. You got a catapult the Coconuts into the basket. Thaw simple enough three see it to get three in to move. The next one is simple not every so much about it. I was like, oh, that's fun. Yeah. I mean, it's okay. It's challenging enough, but still very simple, you know, it's the first one I wasn't impressed. No, I wasn't depressed at all. I thought it was just like well, that's okay. Yeah a little beer pong basket. I mean they both figured out pretty quickly. So yeah Christmas exact frickin Hercules double fees jumping on anything goes. Yeah, we can just tap it with our hands and now Right that that was easy enough at one point. I wrote. How is Cam carrying the whole phrase before checkpoint to how is Kim carrying? The whole front? Like cam was that's why I was saying camera too strong together two of them. Yeah. She was holding the whole front by himself are no she where hands I just thought that Cam and Ashley no issues at all. I thought that Cara and so the we're everyone's going to give Polly such a hard time, but Paulie, literally he was doing he was doing everything and and here's the issue. Shoo between one of the checkpoints Zach is like oh we're ahead. So I'll take my break now Zack you should have never left the the holding the holding thing as you're saying it should have been Zack Leroy and Polly had all times with one girl with the girl switch out was my idea because if it's the three dudes carrying it, they're all holding. They're also much stronger. Let's be honest so they can hold more weight and therefore not tiring themselves out so much literally just never cause you're walking. Let's be honest. I know you're carrying something while walking but it's not like you have to Run running for Miles. You can't run the whole time. You got the Jog and maybe slow down a little bit, but they're literally if they just walk at a steady Pace. I think CT was on to this on the other team. He was like dude don't rush just walk we'll catch up to them eventually because because the way we're doing they'll gas out there trying to run and stuff just walk it out have all three dudes on it with one girl switching each time to give them gravy even evenly paired that way because when you look at the UK team is the same thing with Rogan Jordan and CT because they can't they can't really take a break. And they wish they weren't and that's why they're there and they have less they have also have less weight though. That's how a healthy helping them as well, but they also can't switch people out. But honestly, do you really want to switch it out to put three girls on that with one dude? It's too much weight for the girl. That's a lot of person and how many people are on the U s-- team 7. Yeah, that's a hundred. It's a hundred and forty pounds up there which realistically is not that sound a lot and it's like a lot. To me. 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Okay so much about Ninja is when Zach left it was literally Polly and ninja on one side because Zack was taken the break because they had like a foot of space ahead. They weren't even in the lead that much and literally ninja I when I saw her holding it she was like doing this move with like one hand at one point like She was even know when team she wasn't even sweating. I don't get her. She did not want to do I really want these to understand her because last season I thought she was so much better. Maybe it wasn't maybe it was a mirage or an illusion, but she's not good this year at all in the thing. You said that thing is 140 pounds and you is barely carry anything Polly said, he's 150 pounds. He's carrying it on wonder. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah, I mean Ninja I don't think from what I was seeing. It didn't seem like she was trying to get out of doing this man. Yeah, but I do love how close it was the whole whole time where they were trying to pass each other and stuff like that. Holly's like blocking them. Yeah, that's what's but that's what's so important vital for the producers to keep it closed somehow because if the two teams aren't close if we already know the result of the game before the end, why are we watching exempt shell and that's all the proof is care about is our eyes are glued to the set. That's a good conspiracy. I'll take it out. So I don't know if it was closed if they would been so harsh on the penalty. Or eating given CT that penalty. Yeah as he passed and I get that he messed with their Journey, but I'm thinking like I didn't even touch I agree. Well, I stopped car of going to a bush a little bit. I mean he is the fact is he did not Jim over and you know, he Choo-Choo he made that. Yeah, he's he intentionally did it, you know, but like he didn't touch the gurney though. He like when he nudged he pushed them over a Lea. So yeah, I mean it is it was a tough call either way. Yeah, and and and and TJ did say you can't mess with her green. I mean he made that I was at the church rule that they definitely kept in there on purpose for that reason checkpoint two is math. You get to do some math. I was a little disappointed in this it's like the most frustrated. It's the most boring thing to watch because we can't I can't I was trying to solve the the things but they would flash to they all had their own problem. There wasn't one problem. So us as a viewer we couldn't even get to I want to solve it. I like solving simple fun scary math because it's scary because you're under pressure, right? It really us watch. It it's probably not that hard. Well, and I did the fact that they're under pressure and you know, they're tired and they're out of breath. My question is couldn't they because they had to like count the numbers for a lot of the questions. Yeah, couldn't they just go up to the board and literally just be like one two, three. It didn't seem like that was an issue that was thinking that too is that is noticing like will be that much easier because I but see that's that's just all the way from the back and then like we didn't hear that we hear you have to stay at your station. You cannot go up to the board. Bored because you can go up to the where they count the fives on 401 rows four five. You just go like this after there had to be some kind of rule for that and that you can't pay everybody was that Podium? Yeah, but even though even if all that guy had to do I don't know whose job it was you count the things that Row 4 and 5 all the fives and then add them up. I know but I mean when you're counting by fives is so easy. Oh my God distance though and then try to look at it and maybe they're jumbo, you know, what's up at the beginning of the episode? So foreshadowing this what Paulie quizzing Cara on my house, she was running on a treadmill and that's see and there you go. And then she's a light bulb just went off in your head. Do you realize yeah, she cracked. Yeah, good. Call Danny. Yeah, so I mean it's, you know, we do our five checkpoints for car right swimming. No strength. Sometimes endurance sometimes puzzles. Supposedly, yes, but tonight no and then what's my last one strength and I did strength puzzles endurance. Oh my God. I can't ruin my political game political. Yeah. They're thank you political game everyone that's made it. This far has a good political. They had everyone that man support and politically political game / strong Alliance, which is all together like that. So yeah, I think what I just choose a struggling this season long it all in all regards. I'm talking like just mentally in her head with just everything being the villain or whatever doing. What Her she's doing to the game aspect. I think obviously Cara has proven herself. Like she's made it to however many. Yeah actually made that known a million times to try to motivate her right and that didn't seem real and it's just, you know, some I guess some Seasons you're not gonna have good season some Seasons you to have amazing season and seasons and I guess this season just isn't her season, even though she did make it to the final but I maybe she's just she's just being too comfortable with it and she's like, oh I I've been to a final before I don't need to prepare that much. I just did then she gets to it and then it was like in when we get into checkpoint 3 which is the he's the eating one like what is just you being so many things like a you just sick of it. Now this me like I'm over it. I've eaten too much stuff. I mean what happened? I will give him credit that live bug thing like that is pretty intense. I loved with Zach said he was like you guys are so stupid swamp that being the whole instead of killing. You have a live thing inside of you. Why why? First off I you know, I just I'm gonna give the benefit down here and say that the producers whatever they're having them eats. Yeah. Oh that's edible your stomach and tested kills it when Ryan gets in your stomach your stomach acid. It doesn't live in you for like maybe for like a 30 seconds, but it has to die. Right? So it's like come on dude how the heck do you eat of saw that? He was like dried up and dead. They said it was good though. Yeah, I bet it did. Throw it in my mouth choo choo choo choo. No, it's dead and not inside me things. But then you gotta deal with it it bursting inside because you don't like that you are you could do turn your head away car throughout out. Just I was still alive. I had see ya every one of those things. We just don't be mad. You got to chew and eat it until that happens. We don't leave people are swallowing the Goldfish and I'm puking those things back up there still alive. They do that Steve. Oh did that for Jackass all the time? That's stiva. Yeah that as your fuel to like get some protein. Teen in you to get that and you nailed it Benny. I wrote that down. I wrote the protein is probably good for you. Probably need it to keep going running 60 miles good point. So yeah. Yeah Cara just at the mat she freaked out and then she cried again and freaked out during the grub worm thing. Oh and that ball thing. It's a carnival game. If you ever I worked at Six Flags for three or four years and it's one of those cotton when you throw a ball into a basket, it looks real simple, but the idea that the ball always bounces that it's hard you have it has to be a Perfect hit in there. You gotta hit it right in the inside corner for it to settle in or else it'll just bounce right and that's how those games take your money. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's interesting though that penalty that the UK team guy that actually helped them the ultimate just to rest. Yeah because they got you know, they were so far behind so they got a good Rye steaming for so far so far ahead. No, well us was so far behind ya you Katie I think UK waited to 10 minutes and They they obviously didn't catch up to him. Right? It's like okay. This was I was actually it was actually a good a good little yeah blessing in disguise for them. It's just a really funny ironic twist for the season. The US team has had the game they played in the team they have now which on paper you would assume has an advantage because they have more players which actually turned out to be a big hindrance on that. Right? It's so this is one of those act yells at them and it's like this is why I want a strong competitor. I started to think well what strong competitors could they have? And I started writing them down. I was like Laurel. Yeah, Wes bananas all three of them. Even if I don't think about anyone else and I just get those three people to the final with me and you take out a Cara or a ninja. Holy crap is the game different. Yeah. Absolutely. It's the same as if is Lauren said a ninja just even if what he got if you just took away ninja and put in and put it in like a laurel. Yeah. Oh my God Laura what he killed it because there's no way Laurel isn't is having issues carrying rain? Ah shoot him. A hundred forty pounds. Yeah, I've never seen bananas like struggle struggle during a challenge. So he would have been completely bananas would have been fine. Yeah, I just like same as Wes so as we're doing great. I just Polly. I just I want to break down Polly and I think David are you were to you and I are defending him as you as well Benny. I reading it. You know, I Holly and the issues that he's having his he's literally he's out. I don't think I'm gonna be able to keep going this I I'm I'm defending Polly it but then I have to give him Some crap for it also like I do understand that he was pretty much carrying the thing by himself, you know, a lot of the girls more for ya aisles. Right? Right because I can one checkpoint section because that's when he struggled was the second to the third to the fourth. That's right. But in the long run of the long run of this this is his fault because he got rid of their strongest players, right? So he wouldn't even be in this situation like you said if we they still had Laurel bananas and West sychar macedo thing called karma. Yeah, I mean this is the team that he wanted to have. Hey and you know, I don't want to see and girls but him and some females that aren't as strong as having. That's the Westar bananas are what's like, can you really feel sorry for the guy because yeah, he is doing all the work but he put it on a hero. Here's the thing. I don't feel sorry for him. And I'm not even defending him. My thing is yeah, you made your bed. You gotta lie in it the right team you protected and built all season and then it sea. You should have been a little bit smarter knowing that you have X amount of miles to run and yes, you have to carry the dead weight for your team. But I think you know, I'm going to say common. They're all common sense here pace yourself, dude, you know, he's pushing you so hard on me. I'm not defending him what he did throughout the season because I don't like that. He got rid of the stronger players and West is my boy. He's like my one of my favorite guys, but I'm defending him in the fact that for the past 12 miles. He's wearing one side. Yeah that part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm not defending I'm defend. I'm I'm defending the fact that he's so gassed out that he's dead. He's dead. He's dead not he has to lay in that bed. Now. The Bettis is the groundwork on the ground. That's something he's not getting up. His mind is not even there knowing that he was carrying all that dead weight for that long. He you should have took a moment when you know it I need to reserve some of this energy. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to put the blame on Zack but Zach should never have gotten off that agree that that the the holding thing. What are we calling this thing with the Relic on it? Whatever the hell it's called. Yeah the rap. The wrath of whatever the bamboo rat bamboo. Yeah shit Zach should never have gotten off that. I Gotta Give it to Leroy though, Leroy even struggle is Troy - playing this game. So and I hear him like this. He said this is what his 10th or 11th season and then he wants to win this and he doesn't care if his shoulder start bleeding does not change is gonna go balls to the wall. Yeah. Yeah, right. I feel bad for Zach and I feel bad. Yeah, we like those are the two guys that were with Nani on that team and I like the three of them even Josh to but Josh didn't make this quite this far Imani, what's up David? Tell us in the chat Imani rocks put Polly wasn't doing most of the work Leroy was and he's not even gassed out. That's okay. They don't have to and I think cam was putting in more effort on that one side. Leroy is also a bigger guy. Holy there come in Betty you make another excellent point is also a lot bigger. So two things with Leroy Leroy is a bigger dude, and he had cam who's stronger. She's an Amazon. Yeah, and they're on the same side. So it might be going down in front of them. But their side is level and the weight is going forward to the other two true. They're not feeling it this way. They're fine this way if the way it's going towards Polly and ninja scaring that way. Yeah, that's where the weight is. So they need is they need to step it up. So I blame it on ninja just from yeah crap. Yeah. Oh my God same same. Yeah. Yeah, that was it was it was crazy. So, okay. So if they're carrying a hundred and forty pounds, how much is the is the the UK carrying then because they have to say they have five players know they have they have five players, right? Yeah, certainly carry a hundred pounds, but you have to remember you have CT who is huge right Logan. Who is I know Tori? I'm thinking my man. Oh my God. He beats everyone the eliminations why Jordan Jordan? In would never give up. Well and Jordan no, I mean they've got CT Rogan and Jordan on that thing with a strong female like a Tory or a d right is have the better team based in Jordan Jordan much better. Jordan is a smallest guy on that team, but just like Ashley he has so many guitar. Yes. I can't stretch here. Not weird. Like yeah, so we find out that only four people per team are going to make it into maybe part 2 or they're going to start. Art limiting people. So that means that one person on the UK team will be gone. They will not make it to the next portion of the final and then that would mean that what two or three how many people in the US are do you really believe so 1 2 3 and totally no, I think it's four on each four on each team make it to the next part. So my question to you guys is and I'll give you their names again. We'll start with Team u.s. You got team u.s. Is leading. Roy Zack Polly can Ashley ninja Cara who are the final four there? I think it's going to be Zack Zack for the love of God. I hope it's Leroy. Yeah, I think it'll be the right to exactly where I think Polly's out. I think I'll probably yeah and as for cars going to be on two more girls, yeah, you get to Camp. I hope it's Cam and Ashley because you have me I am and Ashley for sure. Well, that's it. That's important. So you got ninja Cara and Polly will part on not going to leave Polly behind. So those three are done and then so in the final four for the US side you have Leroy Zack Cam and Ashley now, here's the tougher question for the UK side CT. Jordan Tori Rogan and D. Only that stuff. One of them is I don't know how they're going to leave the premises dear Rogan. I'd say I think you had it I'd say Derek d d is going to be the one to go. Yeah, but it's dear Rogan. You think the for sure they'll like well, what's for sure why give me your reasons why though because it's when there's also strong right? But ultimately when it comes down to performance at the end of the day Rogan and D. Do not match up to CT oratory or a Jordan. Well, we really haven't seen Rogan perform they'll so I think I wrote. In is like the I honestly think Rogen is in is at this point everything. He's going to have to do he's going to be good at this point. I don't think anything is gonna is going to Rattle him and like in the next portion of the little briefing they show us a snake goes into Tory's bed. Yeah, so damned if so are they purposely putting snakes in people's eyes that is if that is one of the like that that's so easy. No snake but I think they have to sleep with a snake all-nighter something weird. That's what's wrong. You know, what is it? I think Howard and yes this let me see how the hell am I supposed to sleep on that with a snake just in my bed? Yeah, you know, it's around me. I can't have what is it gonna do to him bite? You know, I don't think that fights. I know I agreed to gonna not they're not gonna blow me rattles because they are believers that you signed to do these challenges. So that might be part of the waiver saying hey if you get hurt or something, no, they would they would never go that far to put I mean, he's a surly it's probably one that is if I don't think it's the Most venomous. There's no way the snake bites you I agree. I'd rather you up sleeping. I could stay in a bed with a stink bomb not fall on us. Okay, what would you rather have a million thousands of snakes are what in my bed over a street game lighter tarantula or rats any of those rats? I don't care drag strip. Snakes are replaced by Michael bite you and constrict you it'll like freaking Slytherin, you know where for being the bomb squad. We're kind of not that cool right now. I mean, I've been exactly but he told us down right now. Like I just I mean I would do it in that situation. Yes, but I'm saying like that would be excuse my language a really crappy situation to be in I think it's just a challenge eating crappy food. So so let's I mean we don't have to agree on this but who is the person you would Rogan? He's out first. Deny what I know. She I'm saying D&C. Yeah, I really don't know I'm gonna say I don't want to count the out. Okay. She's an underdog. So, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna say CT. I mean, I think just to be different because I thought I had my choice was gonna be CT. I'm going to say Tori and go really weird with it. Really? Yep. I have a weird feeling about about D because of all those things about her. I kick you I'll do this until I'm done and I know Tory and Theory will too. But it's hard to pick I think all five or so strong, but I was going to go see to your Tori. There's no way, it's Jordan. There's no way it's Jordans not gonna stop. I don't know what it'll stop them. I don't know what else nothing whatsoever. We had a live chat blowing up people are writing all kinds of different answers down. So Tory Arrow Eerie o NE W pictorial. This is yeah. We're getting here this thought about Melissa Melissa pascrell Cam and Ashley grab bags and card didn't have any bags, but I think the car actually did. But maybe they're thinking that since Cam and Ashley grab bags. They get disqualified because they grab a soda penalty time penalty if they do that. Okay. Okay, so Stacy can't get up. So maybe that time penalties them out to be there in the final. There's no way. You know, Marie is making it no way just because Polly is all the way back there. Yeah, and she's gonna stay back with her with her dude Jesse Reese rights. Quit counting CT out. What's our problem Betty we're Counting. Even in TT it's a tough decision between between the Brits team. It's a hard decision. So I'm looking at you know, who Who as a possibility of gassing out. I don't want to count D out because she's the underdog everyone's been counting her out. So I think she's gonna surprise why so that's why I'm saying. Yeah, you know, we have Jordan who's a beast Tori is a beast Rogan. It's a it's a so, it's a toss-up because we he's never been put in elimination, but he's been great all season. But here's the thing. Hold on and we keep saying this I know it's kind of overdone. But I mean, this is a good comparison to this situation. We did see Rogan gas out on a challenge style elimination, right? But he's fine today. He's always bragging about his first season. Yes, he went out he was but I'm saying this is the type of challenge that he gassed out on original. I don't even count that season anymore though because it was it was his first season. He didn't know what to expect right? You know, mommy's well that I Given that benefit though, but he knows he if you watch one season of this or what even the final that challenge, you know, they had to run a million miles. So and that's what the first thing they made him do and then for CT. I mean, you know, they were kind of bagging on am also using like, oh your dad body or in a gas out in a challenge. He's holding up pretty good fun. He seems fine right now. Yeah, so I think it's going to clamp down instead of really random the pack for sure he's but they're also let's be honest. What are they doing? They're walking and carrying something heavy. CCT is known for his strength and not necessarily use endurance, but you're not. Not running. He's smart walking. You just don't walk 16 miles. I understand. You're carrying some weight above you. I don't think it's that hard if you have a team because they always have swimming in this it's it's she's okay. They're saying it's wind working your muscles your body. That's where the endurance Factor comes in. You got those calves got your quads burning ringing and then carrying that thing on your shoulder eventually 16 miles. That's going to start just chasing that shoulder. We're asking to gasps you out eventually. Yeah. All right. Do we have any predictions what we thinks gonna have we have a for checkpoint? They still haven't shown yet. What do we think is going to be a puzzle that we think is going to be a who some type of carnival game when we know it's something with snakes is simple. I don't know that might be that night or something. I think I feel like that. I feel like that shot of Tori was done after the for the first part. So it's like that's like a part to almost or a Midway, but before right before part to they have to go sleep I I think it's I think the snakes is going to be I you know, I hope it's not a challenge because like I said, I think that's so easy. I don't think it's that easy Pinkie sense. I think that that could be so amazing if the channel not even a challenge but we have to do you have to if you want to sleep at night. You gotta go to sleep next to the snake. Yeah and a snake stays you bet. That's a Fear Factor stuff, you know you put in a cage with all the like insects and snakes and whatnot. I mean, I think they're definitely gonna have to swim. Also, I wasn't happy that's sticking to be part of Germany's on the jet ski, so I'm gonna kayak I didn't seem happy to swim though. Yeah, any other thoughts on them from the first part of the be like one of those things where well no because I was gonna say do you think it's gonna be one of those things where they have to were someone gets all the money they have to decide. Oh do I want to split it or I think they're gonna do exactly what they did last year, which remember what happened last year. They kept eliminating people until there's only three people left and they get first second and third like they always like to do. So what I think they're doing is they're going to cut it down to 4 and 4 and then member how ninja gotten hurt up for life. Here and she went out and yeah you guys won Wescott II Turbo got first and Os got third who got second turbo got first term we got another guy that was in there. Oh Theo. Yeah Theo Theo got second and then Westcott third. So I think what they're doing is they're going to cut them down to 4 and 4 and then they're going to then they're going to cut it down to somehow 3 and 3 and then whatever one's whatever group of the three wins gets it but then how do you decide who gets for a second and third when it becomes a if at some time penalty room, what's that? Would it be crazy if Ashley was And again, she's in the end. I think no, I think it's no it's for because I think if I recall correctly teacher said you for have one the Melody, I believe so have what if I'm not mistaken? I'm pretty sure I heard him say for for yeah. Okay. I thought you could be long and seat even said, he's like Memories like he's like, how can we not freak out? It's two hundred grand on the line or some like that. So so that at one point he said that yeah, so I mean I think because there's four people on the team that gets up to 800 Grand. There's still 200 Grand of that from taxes may be taken out taxes. They are you guys gonna donate AfterBuzz TV thanks so much. Let's put that is that okay with Pam will give you something to don't worry Pam. Oh Pam is out tonight because her apartment is flooding or something because it's finally rained in LA and and she had of a plumber come because the roofs leaking so Pam we're thinking about you. We miss you Pam writing live chat unless you're you know, carrying buckets of water out of your house right now the river the by we got some time we're gonna play my game. So that's do it. Is that sound guys do it? Now the reason I chose this game is because everyone every episode now they're talking about how many seasons all of them have been on so then I start to think how many seasons have they actually been on? Oh God no ice can see where this is going. So now what you guys are going to do, you're each gonna I'm going to say a member of The Challenge and you're going to tell me how many seasons that they've done now if there's no penalty. There's no penalty for going over there multiple choices. Yeah, just gonna give me a number. No, but it's whoever's closest wins. Okay. Now if you both if one of you if you tie say you guys hit it where it's like right in the middle for its 10 is the answer one says nine one says 11. The answer is 10 the person that goes is under wins. Okay? Okay, but you can if you both go over it's the closest one. Okay. Okay. All right. Here we go. My first person is Cara Maria. How many challenges has Cara Maria been on our Maria 15? How many challenges you've been on ya how many just actually appeared on 1200 by the way before it now before I give you the answer, we're not doing season 35. I didn't count season 35 because technically we don't know the real roster yet. Right. We don't have a finalized exactly as all conspiracies out who's on it you the answer is 14. So who won that one view? Okay. So Benny's one up when he's got one, but you got it right 14 know he was off by one team up by one and you went higher right? No. 12 is it's okay. So you one by one. All right. We're going to go to Johnny Bananas 1515 David. 16 David's gonna win it it's 19. He's done 19 crazy, right some of these going to shock you guys Wes. How many challenges has Wes been apart of 16 16. 15:15 the answers 12 David take another one, right Jordan Jordan. How many challenges as Jordan been five has a 10 the answer is 5 Veni. I held it to get double points for getting exactly right. You do not become a conspiracy. Let's go with his fiancee for for you, but we can't feel safe. All right, and we're own. Okay, I'll change it. All right. I have to think at the think. It's obvious a three. It's obviously not a hunter Benny getting double points again. Yeah, it's dingy had to count because I know she's still got everything. She's very new we knew Kyle our boy Kyle three, you're both. All right. Well, if you both want to say you did anyone want to change you're both wrong. So is anyone change that has to change the oil change it while you can really change that you can both changing you looking for. Okay, Benny. For not you're both right you both get double points. Wow. Alright, I like this double points thing now. Well, we just let's go with our boy Josh wine. No, no. No, he's not too. Yeah to to you both get double points again. When you Benny, let's go with Camilla our girl camilanator camilanator. amen Hey 10-david double points. My answer was given during the episode tonight, which is why this game is so worked so well with tonight Leroy Leroy crap know you can say that's why I went away to say you're wrong. I just said Leroy you jumped on it so fast. No he didn't do nine. It was it was said tonight on the episode now 13 David. 12 the answer is 11 David Gang of again. One only one point David only one point four six eight nine four eight tied at 9. Oh my God, we're tied at 9. This is amazing 9. Yes, you both have nine because who's gonna win? Let's go. Let's go. Let's go with can we can do cam next cam kill ich and okay. Um how many I feel like it was it's a 5-4 for double points for David. Yeah. You guys are great. Great. Let's do CT. Oh that's a hard. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you C to the T. That's a tough one. I'm just going to guess cuz he was you know, what's a bigger number so you go for it go for it isn't a big number, but he was gone for a good minute, too. 14:10 the answer is 16 David getting a point. Yeah will do because we're because we want to see Benny can come back here. We'll do coral for I really in this game would arrive so many more I wrote it. I really turned out 408 curl is eight. What do you think David? I feel wrong on this room and say 10. It is 6 so Ben, you're getting the point there Betty. You need to catch up here. Okay. Should we have either will have be the final one you have again? Exactly, right? Okay, and we're going to go with someone really random because I only have a really random ones, you know will do will do a shout-out to diem. How many was D? Mod M. Yeah a girl diem who we all love. She sure don't fresh me. She was on it for a while. It was on it for a while. She's on it more than you thought to I that never that's kind of not giving it away. But yeah, she's on a lot more than I thought. I guess when I looked up the answer. I like how she did that Manny. eight and David six, we got the answers and we have a tie for this last one to see who the winner is. Why don't we write it down? All right fine, then if you say the same one again, we have to keep going whoever says the answer first. Okay? Okay, so they think yeah because you can say another answer after they It can't be the same one. Okay, we're going to go just because we were talking about them tonight. We're going to go with one of David's boys. Can you think of it? Who's your friend? Which one Jordan know we would hit Jordan bananas. No, we're going Kennedy Kenny for the file. This is it. Can I phone a friend can actually just call this is for all the marbles here first person to say the answer gets to keep that answer. By the way. You can't copy the answer 7. I was just gonna say Say that you can't say septic cannot say seven. It's off the board David do you you know the rules date? I literally just going to say that God dang it. This is amazing. By the way. This is so great. It's not it's a such dead are just pick a number. You're come on. I want to say six or eight then eight. I'm gonna go with eight dancers 8, I can't And you my boy. Wow, even winning with the double points right at the end there. Good job David. Good job a good match. That was it. Magic you guys you guys so much better than I thought that's a really hard game to do because yeah, you're thinking back at ridiculous numbers to but anyways, that was that was amazing. That's right. I like a good challenge. Anyways, any final thoughts any fun predictions? Oh, actually no Benny we got because so much time news and gossip. I want to to talk a little bit about the the bear and the Kaylee stuff. Oh, yeah. So so it's AfterBuzz TV news news and gossip. Yeah. Here we go. So yeah, Kaylee is people are saying that she's allegedly hooking up with yeah bear. Mmm, and they're saying that I'm saying allegedly because you know, nothing is 100% fact. She hasn't made any public statement whatsoever, but she's saying that she cheated On Mikey Mikey P who has a blue checkmark and I don't even know who he is. He was on and he was on MTV reality show. Yeah, but I don't I don't watch that show. Is it really random she from the river? It was a really high who host it was always in those P Diddy music videos, you know, it only did one season or something like that. It was a lie. It was a flash of pain. I didn't remember this. So he was he was also on American Ninja Warrior. Yes, that's correct. Yeah, so they're like we're hearing that she never told him and we're also hearing that He allegedly did all this during season 35 5 which we don't know if this is real because we don't ya official cast isn't even out yet. But that's what we're here. So Mikey Mikey P took to to Twitter or Instagram or one of those things and he's talking. He's like, he's like I have I'm in the dark as much as you guys out. I don't know what's going on. And then this K is the best Kayla is Kayla Kayla Kayla Kayla. Yeah response the response on Twitter Mikey. Can we please keep this? Five am not talk with Kayla. If you want to keep it private. Why are you two versus one thing a lot of people she kills me night and I find her so attractive and I do like her on the show. But like what are you doing then? Have you won't have you been seeing watching bears and stories? Yes, he's doing okay. He was clearly tell he never shows Kayla's face, but you can clearly see her tattoos. Yeah, but then there's also one where he's slapping this one. It's on you can hear Kayla laughs and this is what's so funny when I saw that I immediately thought of Pam which is kind of weird. But when Pam and I were talking about last week about 2020 is the year of being able to grab bus we talk like that. I do too. I like that but people are saying like so a lot of fans and viewers are saying that Kayla is doing this to get on Ex on the Beach which I don't think that's true whatsoever and I responded to you saying I wouldn't put it past her them down. It's another paycheck, but people don't have Jobs, well, this is why I don't think she's doing it for this Kayla. She's good TV. She can get on any reality show she won and by the way ever we're talking about Kayla from the like the real world. They yeah where they stayed at our formula to no. No, it was it was in downtown. Yeah. My all I've ever done is they went on the zip lines to end their season they all went on the zip line, which is fun. I've been on that exact same zip line. Yeah. It's a good time. It was on Fremont though. It was in Fremont. There's on Fremont Street. Yeah, by the way side note Dan. Everybody likes the game and a great shade Jordan put can you help make a whole other show for challenge trivia? That'd be fun. That would be fun. Yeah, but we try again. I if you all like the games are going to try to keep doing those every week if we have time. So for sure. Yeah for sure. But yeah, that's what's happening with with the Kayla. So if she is on this upcoming season that's going to be some pretty interesting. Yeah stuff to look out for here's here's not a game, but here's another They're fun thing. I saw online. They were trying to rank your favorite. I don't think I guess you do or something who's your favorite couple almost on the challenge and they named a bunch. They did bananas and Morgan. I remember was one of them. They did Leroy and cam. They did Jordan and Tori. Yeah, the Jordan Tory they did who is other big ones from this season. Baron did from this season. No, it was it was it was it had a bunch o and they car and Polly And they wanted you to rank like who's your favorite one and I immediately eliminated bananas and Morgan it was because they weren't were they even official official not when they were like on the show, but I was just trying to think I didn't eliminate car. The other one was Zach and Jenna. That was your last one. Thank God. Okay. They're my favorite. They're like my number one. Yeah, but I just like still relationship like confuses me. Sometimes I like them because their relationship is like it's it's real you get in arguments. You didn't fight you have disagreements. Yeah. So here's everyone's Is that what happens we're gonna break this in the live chat right. Now, you've got bananas and Morgan you got Leroy and cam Tori and Jordan car and poly or Zach and Jenna who's your favorite couple and tell us why as well bam because I think I would go with I think I gotta go with Tori and Jordan. I just think they're so fun. I just love the relationship out of that group. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, like I'm not going car on Paulie tour. Okay, if you if Tory Jordan weren't in it, then I would pick Zach and Jonna. Yeah because like the stuff we've seen was Zach and Jenna on the show though is kind of rough. And I know you and I also been at talked about how off camera we don't think it's like that we think that they're really love reading all this stuff. But yeah ghost 80386 put missing Kendall amazing Kenneth. Remember that that one season was season was it? Was it Inferno season 5 that was before he was dating trishelle because it remember remember Mason trishelle. I don't remember. I don't your Chef is Vegas right there. So she was hooking up with with Frank for like a day or liked Frank, but then she went and slept with the other guy who then she ended up sleeping with the rest of season named Steven. I forget what his name was and yeah, but that was I love that season because that's yeah. That's my boy. I loved Alton and he was and what's-her-face kept calling him a dirty bird, but they had such an interesting relationship. Yeah, your home is your name. I don't remember but she was beautiful she was And she was real nice, but she was good. She was without this for us. He was real nice David. I want to say was You're A lender or I can't really are her Salon with a high. I don't know. I know who you're talking to. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great season. That was like one of my favorite favorite rural season of all time very ways. And then the first and Diego with Cameron Brad Brad, that was a good one it all that had Jamie Chung on it bet. Most famous spit real cyclamen Challenge and The Miz. I think she's got another one. I think you know she I think she's been I think it's her and then the MS this is World Wrestling like Jesus. No, man, he's awesome movie star though. Yeah. She was in she was in Hangover Part II. I know all about Jamie Chung. She was in choosing that one with Adam Sandler where she played his she played a daughter of some kind David's in that X-Men series got cancelled. But yeah, Jamie Chung is doing nothing. Yeah. Nice anyone else want to chime in on who's the most famous person to come out of the real world. I'm Go with night. I can't think of his name. Now. He's like a podcast now. He's on like all the time. He gets pretty famous people. It's from like way like one of the first season's on the doesn't matter. Anyways, yeah. Yeah. Okay Cyrus. I know he has a podcast is not Cyrus. Oh, it's a White Guy saying about Derek are you know, no challenge Mania. I'll think of it. I'll think of it later. He's got a gun. He's got like a gap in his tooth right there. He's a white guy brown hair. Oh God doesn't we'll think of it later. What season was he on? Oh my God, like he was all like Road Rules Season. Wonderful one of those things. Yeah right back. He's doing his thing. All right people right Mark and Robin as their favorite. Couple Mark and Robert. Do you remember coral and Abe? Was it a be? Yeah. Yeah coral and a that one season. Remember remember a been Cara for years? Yeah. It was coral and Abe's years. I never remember Wes, enjoy. Anna this is this is a good Courtney Rivera put bananas is the most famous. I think that's a close toss-up, which is Sting. Yeah, it's kind of that's a close one. Oh Theo Theo the first not the first Theo that's his name for that does the podcast and stuff his things like theories a lot of Hosting stuff. Hmm Mark long Mark long was doing his thing for a little while to nothing like acting as far as in Big Motion Pictures, but yeah bananas is an interesting choice. Because he's not he's famous for being on the challenge more than anyone for sure. He's getting there though. Because now he does have his own show where he hosts his own show is his first season unreal world. It was real world. What was it battle? No wasn't not the seasons. No. No, I don't mean I meant I was really not New Orleans. It was was it Philadelphia now somewhere in the South? I thought what was bananas first season on the arrows band season real world live chat West Key West was here. I think it was cute. Yeah with some sea was something like yeah. But down in this Alleyway right below it was real world Key West Florida. Yeah. Summertime is Landon Theo Von Theo Von see I was right. It's the obon. That's the guy I'm thinking of. Okay. Anyways, I mean we can wrap this up anytime you want guys. We're just having such a fun time just listing read much racing listing trivia. Everybody's putting Key West. Yeah. She was yeah. All right. Well, I'm scared. I'm gonna wrap this wrap this baby up to put the baby a swaddle nice protective swaddle. It's gonna be all set. My name is Daniel Lincoln. Thank you guys so much for joining us. You can hit me up on Tick-Tock. I just hit 10,000 followers. I'm very excited about it. Idiot box boys and my name is Benny Adams. I do not have a tick tock but you can hit me up on all other social media at Benny Jay Adams. My name is David Christopher and you can find me on Instagram and David underscore Christopher underscore official or you can also find me on this ice. I do not have 10,000 followers yet. 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Holy crap war games this Saturday Survivor series is Sunday. We gotta get a takeover quality episode and next he tonight. What is going on? We're breaking it all down right now on NXT after showing AfterBuzz TV. Let's go. I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TV talk now let the buzz but yeah. Oh, yeah. That sounds that Mac Lish me. It is the Wednesday night the like mxc comes to life. Full Sail University where the Sawgrass make the sky, how you doing. Well, my name's have a voice. Thank you so much. Keep me in your life and all your second screens. We're going over the biggest NXT. I have seen in a long long time before I do. This is my co-panelist this guy you call a punk rock. Here's what half of the AfterBuzz rested recap tag team champion of the world David Christopher. How you doing? This is true. This is true. I love that intro. There are no black man. And one of the best episodes of NXT ever exam shot everybody in the chat. Yo, what's going on, man? What's going on? Tell him what's going on Evangeline. Now, you know Chris hell he knows what's going on everyone who's going on guys. Have a good time. You guys getting it comes to questions in the chat will get to that as we go about this overall thoughts about the show. I know I feel a certain kind of way, but they're crisp of punk rock. I loved every bit of it honest. Like I said, I think this was by far if not the best one of the best episodes. Episodes of Ever produced for NXT I mean it everything we talked about before in previous week's how I wanted to smack down guys. Come down the wrong guys to come down. I wanted this war you want to see that they did it. I was like bout time. Yes. That's what we want. Is it exactly and we're watching NXT next to Dynamite at aw panel. If you guys are still on the channel after the show, they come right after us they were invested but every so often we're doing a little peeking over here and over there. Do you know what this guy's as good as what they do or look at what an extinct Don't get signed to exactly exactly this match tonight wasn't even a mass that we thought was going to be schedule bigger than just coming out being like I'm the man, you know, you're like, okay, that's fine. But then re Ripley came out and it was like no. I'm the man. Yeah imagine that Susie doesn't have to know contest. Let's talk about Rhea Ripley right here is somebody that six months ago wasn't even on a most people's radar. She was good at Exeter UK not saying she was about talent, but it's kind of like an also-ran but now just quickly position yourself as being possibly the face of the women's division thoughts about that. I think it's amazing you Made a good point six months ago. I mean she has moved quickly in that sense. Right? And I mean now to be essentially a main eventer Becky Lynch Shayna baszler. I mean this this will build it but she has behind her. I think it's well deserved and I think she could definitely hold down. I'm I'm on board with her 100% I'm excited to see what she does. I mean, you know since day one, even you know before she got pushed to the roster of WWE, you know, I was a Becky Lynch guy, but you know, yeah, that's a beginning man some I'm with Becky Lynch to so tonight. I mean this was amazing. To see like I said, I back Ripley. I think she's awesome. And then, you know being behind the man since the beginning, you know, I was like, this is what I want to see this is what it's about. I think them two together. I think it's great. And I think it's only gonna gain gonna just bring up the stock and Ripley. You know, it's awesome. I was kind of worried about the match because that is something that should print money Rhea Ripley Becky Lynch. I'm kind of glad because on Monday night if you guys are watching have to show for Monday Night Raw, I was little pooh-poohing on so many no contests. But here's what I was like. Oh, thank goodness cause I didn't want anyone to lose. So close to war games and survivors. Are you can't you know any real thing but you can't has you have to expect that because I mean you can't risk damaging anyone in this sense right now, you know Becky loses that looks really bad because that moment of same thing with with Ripley, you know, she's on a high right now. So you almost expect something to happen if with you know, like bees are coming out. I mean, that's I think that's the best way to keep the momentum what it is right now. So I know that we don't get to check in with with you as like far as like your thoughts about the whole War Games the virus serious thing to pay per views are just Mammoth coming up. Can anyone you looking for a particular and and reason why I like you more of a war games guy is Survivor Series concept William are looking for you know what I mean, just the build-up and hype and just being new at the NXT brand of what they're doing. I'm really excited to see that because I feel like they've been elevated to a whole new level and I think just everyone stepped up the talent and just the matches alone are I think this is the one of the best that they've had so I'm really looking forward to that pay-per-view. But of course, you know to see them crossing over to with the Survivor Series, I think they're it's hard to decide which is better. Better if that's the right word. You know, I'm honestly genuinely stove for both of them. Yeah eventually in the chat says Ripley is only 23, which is Young and a good way because like our Sullivan 31. He like really yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of things going on for her and Becky Lynch clean know there's those people are saying well my Aunt Becky's kind of just cool down a bit and I'm Little People's camps. I feel like this time last year the face breaker episode of Raw, right? I was all about the man over the summer. I'm not saying I'm auntie Becky, but I feel like it's kind of cool. Of that but it's show today that you can hang still. She isn't someone's propped up or someone doesn't hasn't earned her spot. Maybe she's looking for that right storyline. You know, I hear how many there's there's a few things I've seen on this one. It's just a matter of time and that goes for everybody same thing with Cena, you know what I mean? Eventually someone, you know, people are going to get tired of you. You know, when you're when you're in that spot for so long, it's inevitable. You can't carry the Bell forever, you know, so people are going to just get sick of you. Even if you're really good at what you're doing people just going to get tired of it right in simple. That's what Ends, so that day is coming, you know in Becky's how the down for a long time. It's like justice for Kofi Kingston, right? But I mean she's held out for a long time now, so I mean personally I already know it's eventually her time is up, you know, it's a given people are going to get sick but they're going to get bored with it. There's only so much you can do for so long, but you know on the other end, I mean hell, yes Becky can still go Becky's got harsh. He's a fighter man. Like I said, I was with you from day one and you can ask mr. Haven't emac. I told him way back when before she was, you know anything on the roster, you know, I was behind And I saw that talent that Spirit she's got that fighting spirit and I know she can she can do them. And so passed the steampunk in the guy just you know, I don't you know, the certain people that you see in your like, you know, what that person's got it they can do it and she's proved it. That's true. You know, I can't deny that at all. But before I move on David Christopher, can you cut a promo till he bothered? Yeah, so if you want to keep watching this awesome after but show tonight's just kidding. No, thank you guys so much for making us the ESPN of TV talk. Talk honestly, we can't do this without you. We love coming here. I'm coming here every week talking you guys hanging out. You know me and Flo Bo this is our release and we're big wrestling fans. And again, we love talking with our you guys checking in and also make sure they give us those likes those comments the five stars, you know, give us your best rating that you can you know, just keep watching because we love doing this and I can't do it without you. I gotta say to my longtime fans of the show. You'll do us a favor say five stars because you know, there was some some people out there doing less than 5 stars. Feel that so five stars, please 5/5 stars. Please. Let some of the next match and Howard almost didn't happen or it didn't happen coteries comes out after like four or five hundred Subs like oh, yeah. He's unemployed gets like manhandler Ricochet the match Ricochet. Matt riddle walk me through this. This is like a war games or sorry. This is to take over quality match the second one and as many matches and you're getting it for free and on Wednesday. So again a big Stone Cold hell, yeah, you know what I mean? You know one of those things were again, I'm but Ricochet, he's one of those guys man that I haven't seen in a long time where I watch him. I'm like how the hell does that guy pull that off? He's refreshing to me. He's that guy that I think the brand needs that you know, keeps things exciting Innovative and just a huge Talent from that and I see roster now on the main roster. Yeah. So seeing him come back down and just I was I was stoked man and then riddle him and riddle again. Like I said, I back riddle to see those two. That's just I'm you know, I'm like a little kid, you know, just giddy. So I'm like, yes, I love the man. He can tell they were both very competitive in that match is very aggressive high flying Fast Pace. It's what I love is what I wanted to see you in a couple of weeks back. I think I mentioned on the show Finn Balor was on Corey Graves podcast, which I really recommend any system that really resonated with me. He was saying, you know, when you go to the main roster because back then there was the main roster there's certain things that rustling you're not really used to like like break spots, you know, you put yourself in a big spot or rust into time and to me it's almost understated how seamless Ricochet has gone up these ranks. And it's been so good at such a high level that when he came back to NXT. It was like walking back in Tennessee today. It was like, oh man. We're it's on like this guy's already been the entire circuit and that riddle love him or hate him. He's Matt riddle, like that guy can print money to the match was. All right, and only because it was definitely on a roll up and remember one right kind of mom. Oh, yeah, I was I was like, yeah, man in some nachos. Let's talk about what happened afterward Smackdown comes out. You got some Zara Nakamura who kind of like camera guys like they were in the fox. Yes. I get there Smackdown, but it feels kind of weird like things are reading below. We are blue shirts right here. Hold on. That's right. This look is working for minimum wage. But this whole thing comes out. Me and Finn Balor comes out and he has his own match riddle. Just I know it's not about shamash endings before but the idea that smacked out and finally raw is in the same room with NXT and fighting all the same. I'm time, that's about that one amazing time for NXT and to be nice T fan. Yeah, I mean hands down you have the two big juggernauts coming down now giving you guys props in a sense battling you guys get you guys over. It's awesome. And I mean Belair Ricochet riddle, that's money right there, right? So to see those three together and then I mean, yeah, you know ended up you just didn't you know, no contest whatever but I mean it was it was awesome to watch it was exciting and again, you know, let's see where this goes. I mean all this is Two inches elevating the NXT brand. I think it's awesome. See, you know, I was sitting at the I did a recent episode of SmackDown because I'm putting myself over and I was like poop moving on the whole Survivor stories with everyone has been the hardcore fan the AfterBuzz Steven Universe knows I'm not a fan of Survivor Series as a concept NXT tonight did the heavy lifting. I'm not only selling WarGames antivirus series making my old crappy behind excited for both of those events Angel give me reason to say I want to reassure you to come back next week. I think it hit all the marks you will with me the fact that now I'm looking forward to both these pay-per-views and and Adam Cole like having three matches in as many days or just it's nothing. I'm excited man. Sounds like Christmas. Yes, and it's not even Thanksgiving yet. You're like one of those people that decorate early already put your Christmas tree up into some December its your right to whatever moving on to have a match with this match again. Just kind of a throwback, you know. Bible always good that even the next EP when we said that their NXT career is pretty solid. But what I know is what leads to these four gentlemen is that they were able to have different kinds of matches within a match. It was it was terrible. It was fast-paced was hard hitting it was it was all rest holes if need to be it was high-flying for need to be thoughts about that and the match itself. Yeah. I mean, you nailed it flow. Honestly, I think this match you get what you expect with these guys, especially with the Revival being such old school wrestling, you know, I don't dare say fans, but you know, this is it was Like that, it was very technical but it was there's a lot of strength and there was a lot of it was also very fast paced a lot of new users very what's the word were zoning on the word right now, but they're synchronized and Maneuvers that I really enjoyed that you know, that's always entertaining to watch. I thought you know, they went for a long time too. So the endurance in this match yes props to that as well. Absolutely. So I mean this kind of match was hands-down I could be the match of the night. Yeah. Okay. It was good. So question though was mistake to ever move the Revival to Raw SmackDown You know now I say no because as you see bringing them back down, I think you know, it's hyped up. You know, it's hyped up the brand a little bit. It's good for the other teams to I mean, maybe they're to me it almost seemed like you know, and I think Marvin said it you're watching a clinic and that's kind of what it seemed like so in a sense, they're all still helping. I don't want to say the younger guys, but the guys in the iced tea brand, you know, I mean so being the fact now that the lines are blurred, I don't think it's a bad idea because again, you can bring them back down. You can utilize my you need to and there's a lot of respect there now, As you see they've learned a lot they've improved a lot and you know, I think now coming back down to they can still teach a lot to the next brand. Yeah. It was say that the the Revival with a baddest team on God's green which I thought was pretty pretty classy very old-school really throw back the others whatever pretty much show that they're dominant there. Right? I got to say the only knock on this mattress a camera work. I thought the video and it was kind of random like what are the camera on the other side? But yeah, those are the match that it was like a lot you could watch the tape and say okay. This is pretty cool. This is speed is cool. These moves are cool. I mean I wrote down. Oh my gosh - Wilders chops and O'Reilly's knee drops like yeah, I'll move this message. It says how good it was. Hello suplexes, dude. I mean just so I mean it was it was great. I mean and you know going into it like obviously has no title changes you for the most part of the onus Undisputed are is going to take the match. So sure, you know knowing that okay. What are these guys gonna do now? You better entertain me. Which ended only did yeah again at this house eventually who says Vince gets better when he has competition. Help you always agree. I agree. Yes good comment. The company is bigger than this is what I'm saying, but I do agree competition makes the world go round. It is like visiting the couch going. Ah crap. I can't you is I guarantee you he is man, that's cool moving on. We had a promo for the women's War Games match. They only had only a couple matches involving the women today just talked about the fact that we had the first ever women's war game match. I know it's it's It was a nice build. I wish it was more for that match, but I know there's a lot going on with war games and Survivor Series but that problem. Hey, I mean it's also obviously I'm a huge fan of the WB promos man because they make a castle they make you look so, you know and I think Shawn Michaels at his before a couple guys, you know, they make you look so much better than you maybe are I remember that promo variety of the Wrestlemania and it's so true because you watch some of these things and it's almost like watching a rocky Montage, you know, you just you get pumped up watching them and you're like, yeah and he gets sucked in and I mean, that's the point that's But therefore and I liked it. I enjoyed it. I agree there could have been more of a build-up but there is so much going on. So I have a confession to make I'm the guy that likes a look at the graphics package of the femur and the music like mine the back does he was better than new song. It's a virus and lose its cool. The futuristic lines the Tron lines and everything. I don't know about this graphic at the lighting here is a little off but until we start forgiving 99. I was my least favorite of all time. I'm just putting it out there but moving on it's now time for a booth. Goofing off the week. Yes, right tonight. Boo thing the week. It's sponsored by store-bought cocoa butter walk down to your pharmacy and get one for $2. You have to have any shipping or any after bus coach go over there. Yeah, but someone who is basically a quote rookie in this system. Really shot into a whole new Crouch. He has a lot of upside should go back to some of her matches and I'm a big fan of it. So it really really you are this week's Booth think of the week. You can see what this match is Kaylee ravers the Kona Kai. I really thought they will be some sort of like Twist on that match because the corekai still on the outside looking in maybe it's some kind of like hope out there for the the Saturday pay off, but that's what the match here's the here's the sum this up poor Dakota Kai. That's all I can say. Okay, I mean again getting getting someone else over again. So we saw her come out aggressive. There's a lot of fight in her you saw a lot of Hearts she put on a good performance and I just felt bumper man. Yeah, I really do. She took the allergens or gonna win this one. No, but that's what sucks, you know, because she needs to you know, I feel like she's getting the short end of the stick man. And if she had the push, I think she can do well man. It is very curious how she's kind of been decoupled. Coupled from Team kick and you're waiting for something the payoff it hasn't yet. No, but I noticed one scaly Ray came out. It didn't matter who was like, do you have to put K Larry over because no one has ever really seen her on the US and the UK, but you're right. It is kind of weird to coated. I lose this clean. Does she act on him Saturday or I'ma just saying it's wishful. I say she definitely act on this one because she has motive for being kicked out or not necessary kicked out but not picked on the team, you know, she wasn't picked for the team. Maybe she's got him pent-up frustration. Obviously, she's getting Just push down that ladder more. I mean she has motive to do it, but he'll turn or is just a ratchet. This is like I want my fair my chest. I mean, it's almost like a like kind of a Becky Lynch back in the day, you know, it's similar to her. I could see that you know, so I'd say yeah, I mean it could go either way but I say keep your face and just have them or of like I need my Redemption retribution might you know, like I'm woman hear me roar, you know type of thing and I mean, I think that's justifiable. So I think you know, she needs some kind of justification for what is happening. Do you play the video games that the we2 Have you ever yes, of course, I do. You don't have one thing. I can tell you though. Just shown up from the chat right now. Evangeline can't to says wow phlovomite get murdered on air next week. Bye Kayleigh real so. Kotick, I like would you rank knocks more than Chi at this point, even though she took some couple losses as far as abilities movesets what they can do in the ring up. He'll like if you had to rank one pick one for kickball, I guess. I mean it the way things are going I would have to put knocks ahead of her sure thing. You personally are you think that's legit as a way that's earned. No, I I'm gonna I would back out back to kotick I just because I feel yeah, it's earned. I see the fight in her. She's just new aggression behind her. I mean Going to backs backs back Dakota Chi for sure. Okay. I mean I'm kind of the same but I've always felt like taking Max has a lot has a lot more appeal. She's amazing, but it's something about the code as far as like potential but I just figured that was me being that guy. I agree with that locker room clear out the end of the match right rod smack. Oh smack don't get them off first then in raw gets and love addicts. He gets involved Kyrie saying eostre I stare down da da da tell me about that was going through your mind Frenemies. Yeah an amazing what's going to happen? Like the lien, dr. Kovac, you know meet what's gonna happen. Yeah. No, I mean I was yeah same thing. I was kind of what is going to happen. I was curious so, you know how they're going to play this out and then, you know course got broken up but uh, it was a good moment. It was a good moment as a fun moment. But again, I love the whole just the war going on between all the Brand's man. I was like, yes, keep it going. Let's go. Why does it feel like tonight was more seamless? We can all three brands time to shine then the last Three weeks of other WB programming. Why is it feel that way at NXT is it because that Full Sail smaller crowd is like why you think that is it's probably a little bit of all the members. Yes one you have that very like loyal crowd and XT crowd smaller any more intimate, you know, I mean, but there's so much at stake here with the NXT brand, you know, I mean like it's like I feel like I've said this before I feel take that that whole idea of like when the shield came or you know, even like when DX was doing this, you know, it's like you have that anti-establishment feeling that Vibe you I like this rivalry. Everybody loves a good rivalries, right? You know, I mean you look back in history just like when you have something like that it just it makes you want to watch you guys entertaining and then when you see like, oh someone coming from like a different different brand, you know, it's like, oh, wow, they're in different territory know it just it just adds that different element to it. We're just pulls you in and I think it's just there's so much at stake so much with the Pay-Per-View right around the corner that you want to see like, okay, like you have your favorites whether you're with the ogs or your with the NXT ran or maybe just like some, you know wrestler off the roster Whatever May But you want to see what happens right? Sure. I think that's why it's just there's so much at stake right now. There's so much energy and build up its just pulls you in here's my advice. I think he's my favorite brand right now historically has a poor kid growing up in Brooklyn we have cable. So I'm partial to SmackDown do you have hey, do you have a ranking for the brand? Of course, but like do you prefer Roars Roars kind of like I said, I'm an old school guy because I you know, I believe in hard work Evan bust. My butt for everything I've had in life so sweet. Yeah. No, absolutely. So I believe that you know, you gotta earn those stripes and I believe that's what NXT is doing right now. So not discrediting XT at all. Like I said, I'm very excited for the brand in the roster. I think it's awesome. They're all killing. It hands down there killing it. But you know, like I said, I always back the oh gee guys because they've been there put in the work put in the time and they're helping getting these guys over so out of that respect. I'm you know, I'm with the oh gee guys. I don't know if I'm more raw or Smackdown sure. I probably stick with one of those Brands to be on okay, that's fair enough. You know, I was you know growing up it was it was SmackDown on Thursday nights back then, you know weekends like on the fuzzy cable channel. It was like jacked in metal. I was my entire WV diet so partial that but moving on it's now time for punk rock spin the night. Yeah. Oh, all right look like AC/DC by I can. All right. All right. All right. So tonight was tough man tonight was tough because we had some awesome. Awesome matches in there, you know, I mean from the Revival match to the Becky match to even just are our main event, but just giving the steaks that were at given, you know, the two competitors. I love watching. You know, I'm gonna go with with riddle and Ricochet just because I like the mattress start to finish from the energy to the Maneuvers. I saw just in there I said that the energy was very competitive. You can tell that they really wanted to take it to each other again. I'm not a fan of the ending so I won't, you know the pain of the night not necessarily but just for the match itself as Just being a fan. I was excited to see it. They brought it and you know, I want to see what's to come. So oh wow. Yeah, we're gonna Ricochet. They're pretty up there man. Yes, got turned down burn it down for four years and independent circuit. Absolutely our resident independent wrestling expertise abares breaking it down of the many times. They meant and pwg and I was like, that's pretty cool. But tonight was amazing. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that is that is punk rock spin of the night Ricochet riddle. Awesome stuff guys moving on the Viking Raiders got the war chance. Against the Forgotten Sons, um walk me through this. I had a feeling when they drop that the old horns, like there's going to destroy whoever they're fighting, right the match is good, but it took a while to get forgotten Sons put the match itself and thoughts about the way it ended. This was an interesting match for me, you know, you know, here's the thing with me and the Viking Raiders. It's I was and I didn't know what to make of them from the beginning when I saw him on the main roster. I didn't know there's just a gimmick thing. That's not gonna work throwback to the old school. It's kind of silly. You know, I wasn't really into it man. Now I've seen that they're becoming a real thing, you know, and they're and they're talented as well. Especially if the sighs, you know, I've are just his stuffed and I was hilarious dude like those backup moonsault off the road house that what is going on. I like that. There's more personality being brought into him. Now. They are getting over it. Like it says becoming a real thing and you know to see the match goes long as it did especially with guys that's Sighs I think well done guys. Well done. Well done to me personally. I know I speak for myself here. But on Raw I always felt the Viking Raiders were cosplaying a little that's break you write. It was something it was hard to kind of take it serious, right but for some reason the war writers and even tonight it was like, oh he's got seriously. Yeah, I don't want to have a lunch money. I don't know what the reason the camera work. Is it the idea of NXT? That's a different kind of suspension of disbelief, but I wasn't bored. I think it was I mean and again hands on. Common sense because they put they did a great. I mean they they sold for each other and they put on a good match together and it was one of those things where I think that sort of was flow is it was again the Gerardo B2B brand coming down and being the bigger guys in the smaller territory, right? So that's what again I think hyped it up in the fact that the grand Sons they hung with them and they put on a good match and you know, they killed it. I think that's what just made it that much better. Oh, yeah. I also want to give a shout-out to my nose and have to promise the Beth Phoenix here really work hard to put the Viking Raiders over. Yeah those last. Whoa, brother, he's not get enough credit. I mean Nigel's amazing Mauro is phenomenal with Bethany exit in the mirror everyday self affirmations. You are amazing. You are a man. You are. Thank you. Appreciate it real quick though the preview for the match for Saturday. Pete Dunn Damien. / he's killing Dane we talked about the story line before but the we're in this match now gets the the be the automatic number one Contender for Adam calls. NXT Championship two questions here Adam Cole ladder match today Survivor series on Sunday and this match on Saturday and to granted I'm almost positive cold retains. But who would you want to see him face at Survivor Series? So first thing I want to start off by saying, all right Cole good for you man, because I feel like they're giving you that old school schedule where you earn your stripes, right? Like the other guys they were at least that's where they talked about when you hear like, you know, Michaels are taking, you know, every night, you know, just put in that work and so That looks like what they're doing with him. So he's earning it. So Props is respect to you and then I guess out of those three who I'd like to see it done. I'm gonna say done. Yeah, man, I think it's I think it's do I really think he's do absolutely I'm not sure they want to protect them because you know, he's not gonna get the belt but I feel like done these a shot and I the things I like about Royal Rumble, which is not off topic obviously is that they always historically have pushed his mid Carter. Do you just have a title match here? Just like Ken Finn Balor be probably maybe What was this belief but I do think a coal goes on. So the problem came out I was like, oh cool. That's another match while check out. I mean that'll be that'll be just fun to watch so to man because I mean I'm not I wouldn't be excited. I mean priest is cool. But I had done is I think the solid yeah competitor it see it seems historically that done is the person they're trying to say. Hey, look he can be maybe not the guy in your brand. But definitely the lynchpin of like the that midcard that the oh my gosh. This guy is the guy you would be a reliable guide me. They start on the trucks or when their Styles lettuces. I mean, yeah, absolutely. And I mean, I'd be funny to see you know Cole within that finger break, you know. Yeah, let's go p-- done. Let's do it. Yeah a bit of rent. Yeah that main event Adam Cole Tommy. Dr. Kovac wouldn't get to work games. Our advantage. The question was like, how are how was Adam Cole gonna fare? It seems very obvious overprotected. Adam Cole has match totally understand why not mad not complain it. The matter was dope. That's what the match Dominic over its history with his meniscus injury how to play in this story and Ideas for Adam Cole moving on you know, I think this is very for lack of a better word Ball Z WB to do I mean give it like I said, they're giving cold that run man. They're putting him through the work. He's earning it. But this kind of match before two major pay-per-views, that's risky, and yes, he may be protected but this kind of match isn't easy, you know, and I've never been in a ladder match but had to that's got to be crazy, you know specially to few nights away from two major pay-per-view, so, you know props to you man for pulling it off and getting through it. And wek men, but again this this match was it was great. It wasn't you know, the most electrifying match, you know, but it was it was fun. You saw some good spots. I mean those slam that chokeslam and that had to hurt onto the ladder was that was awesome, you know, then die Jacoby taking that fault at the end onto the laptop and drops coffin to imagine, you know, they're gonna both feel that tomorrow, even if I had the courage to do a ladder match ever seen me and last week. Yeah. Yeah. So that right now I'm good. Yeah, you're right the master magic with NASA the world on fire, but he gave you exactly what you wanted enough story where it was like I'm on board for it, right? I was pretty cool. But what happened afterwards was that skit was like an Avenger Splash panel Raw SmackDown. I'm as I cried. It was it was weird. Oh, yeah, you know it bro Eva and keighley and oh my gosh, like how about that? Yeah Ivar in keighley at the end that little face off and then you know, so let's both do the big man. Let's do that Splash outside man that flip outside like awesome was I turned 13 like that girl's my Twinkies before I continue one of the ways we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors in today. Anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. 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I mean man, I think right now yeah, that's also why because those elements that you don't expect and you wouldn't think you know, it's that's what's make it makes it awesome and lets you know, let's face it. We have a magnifying glass on an exterior right now. So that's what everybody's focused on and then like I said, you'd bring those other rosters down with this kind of talent than those kind of spots and all this, you know, I stuff going on it's just like it's what you want to see right now. Oh, yeah, exactly. That's where all about it. And I know Dylan says appendix, he wins the Survivor series one there starts needs to win the rumble kind of agree. Let's go into the preview. I mean War Games is this Saturday against just like that to orgasm matches the first one the ladies match you have re Ripley canister a Tegan Knox and me and him against Shayna baszler. He has arrived Bianca Blair and Kaylee re predictions. My sir hat is hard man. That is a hard one for me right now. Um, I don't know who they're going to put over. I'm not sure. That's tough to say at this point. But again, like I said before I'm going to back Ripley because I see her time is coming. So I'm going to stick with Ripley. Yeah, Ripley's definitely I think it's going over. Of course your to give can has a lot of shine to establish that more aggressive edge of her cause you still one of the few pure faces left on that roster. So if he has a little like I'm a good person, but I can totally kick your ass. Yeah. I mean I be great to in the mail match the Undisputed error by Ray taking on tommaso Champa keighley magical moment and still TBA. Yeah, see that one is interesting too because if you have like who who do you have lose on that cause then we're going into Survivor series. Who do you add to that guy? Who? Yeah, exactly. So that's also tough and then you don't want your champ to lose right? You know that Adam Cole. So right well look at though I'm looking at is now let us put an error. This is my prediction definitely drop, but I feel what the other three are. I take hot a prediction with thanks reigai what Tomaso Champa keighley got it. It's my song from murdering a Monday and Diamond. Dr. Kovac in there. Who was the only person who's not involved have something with any speed era Velveteen dream. He got knocked out in that couple weeks ago. We forgot about them. I think the perfect tan dual. Oh, yeah. Oh but to your point, that's one thing. So I I hope that that happens and that side has to win that makes sense and I can see the end. I mean there is that that rise right now you yeah. Now that that makes a lot of sense of keighley the buzz is going on that surprise element. Yeah. Makes sense and I think you that's as forgiving going into the pay-per-view the following night with the NXT team. That makes sense. Again. That's a tough call. It's a tough one. It's going to be either way is awesome. So I can see that. All right, I'll roll with you on that flow. All right. All right, we both are done for the Triple Threat Match. I guess the not Main Event the the MIT event riddle Balor. Now, you're about our guy. Yes, sir. And the world seems to be real guy bro. What happens here C. So this is tough because I do and here's the way I like it at, you know, you have like a veteran you Look Ballyhoo 100 behind but then you have you know, the up-and-comer riddle which is badass to and I'm also behind so do you get riddle over does does Balor do that for them? Right or do we keep the supremacy with Balor true? And that's the question. So what if f 1 what are we doing at this point? Where is the brand going? Yeah, I guess the question for me is is it going to be clean finish? Right if it's a clear finish? There's no way Bella can lose it because Matt riddle is proven. He can take losses and still be bro. Yeah, but if you come back and relax I'm the real RocknRolla. And then lose the first match is like okay. Yeah, so yeah, so I mean I don't I can see it happening down the road but I don't think it should happen this soon. So let's let's put on an awesome match which you know, they'll do let's show that riddle can freaking bring it he can hang sure and then let's do it again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also obviously dealing Matthew says ballot has to win this I totally agree does Balor win by the street pinfall or thing is on the edge like that God stoppage or submission or any else to make it more? Aggressive different or just like a coup de gras 23, he's gonna have to win by pinfall. I mean he is he is a heel now, but he'll it's going to have to be painful. Yeah and all this goes down one night before Survivor. Sorry, let's go to that too. Because NXT is involved. We're going down the line what we don't know what let's hope the other brands to submit all the matches Survivor Series right here. Next season won't people wanna know what you think, right? Yeah. Let's do it. Alright Adam Cole takes on the triple threat where we said. Well, it'll be done. So if Adam Cole take some P done thoughts about that match. Oh who's gonna win? Yeah. Oh Adam. Cozy and take it bro. Okay, just straight up and of course, you know when he's not going to drop the Bell dead soon fair enough. And again, like I said, I'd like to see done. Of course. I mean, I know he's gonna put on it's going to be a great match regardless, but I think it would be too soon for him to drop the belt. I mean now because yeah, it's going to stay with Cole because they're not gonna move them up yet. He's agreeing with what people will say, maybe the draped in goal thing is hard to keep intact or it might be a good idea. I mean, it's again, this is David to be anything is possible anything can happen. But I think it's going to stay on cool. All right, fine. Fine Bray Wyatt Daniel Bryan, which is one of the more intriguing matches because this paper has like eight matches is going to go I guess 35 hours because everyone's involved but the Fein takes on Daniel Bryan for the now blue Universal Championship the fiends going to take him and he hits his time right now. They're giving him a hard push they've changed about for him. You know, yeah just like I did with Daniel Bryan with that, you know, wouldn't I was so angry. The last time I was legit angry at it he'll was what he was like, you know that Bell had leather straps from a cow cow named Daisy. I got this biodegradable almost died dude. It was so ugly. Really? Yeah. I'm looking forward to the secondary titles are on the line AJ Styles just get Nakamura Roderick strong United States and a continent and in a time together. Yes. Yes, but he got again. Like I said, I'm going. Oh jeez, man. I'm going with AJ. You're sure oh gee. Yeah, he's ogs. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, I'm back in Blue Man Okay. AJ Styles should win this one. But if since Kate wins it, I think it'd be kind of like a gimme that make sense. I feel like if Smackdown lost a lot of other matches his book The here you go, right but I do think it's independent to itself a day hasn't well, who do you who do you think is going to be the dominant brand at the night or do you think it'll kind of it has to be an XT and and they said them up that way because Raw SmackDown didn't have a general manager spot and it's yeah to Regal and Triple H. They're the with elevated and for a lot of people based on ratings and excuse the new brand so you bring this Invasion Brandi get like destroyed. It's like well, yeah, you're gonna put out your own fire. Yeah, exactly. It's like well don't don't tune in Wednesday. Watch Cameron Grimes. You just jobs that's mine over in short on time. But the the team Raw vs. Team SmackDown versus Team NXT. The male's nxt's team is still not determined but team raw Seth Rollins Drew McIntyre Kevin Owens, Randy Orton Ricochet and Roman Reigns Mustafa, Ali Mustafa. Leave Braun strowman Corbin and Shorty G and snack outside. I know Annex he's not involved as far as their roster shows. What do you thinks gonna win? This one? I'm this is a match. I'm excited for I'm looking forward to this one. I want to see him burn it down with Rollins, man. Let's go raw. Wow, let's do it. That's what's up because you know people were kind of jumping off the wrong boat. We're still on it, you know, he was one that I gave her time the beginning to and I, you know, he had earned my respect and you know him calling himself the 2.0 HBK, you know kind of rub me the wrong way and all that stuff, you know, but he's earned the stripes. He's putting the work. He's obviously awesome athlete and he's holding the torch right now. So no I give him props. He's the man the biggest country in the Planet live inside same thing five-on-five team Raw SmackDown and annexed. E-excuse me. You had Charlotte Flair Natalia Oscar Kyrie saying Sarah Logan again Sasha Banks. Carmilla dating Brooke Lisa Evans. Nick across it seems NXT is also still TBD. So I thought about that match you think Annex he has a shot with this one, especially the war games or on Smackdown take this one. That one's Interesting Man, especially with the push with Nikki cross tonight, you know with that hole. Trash can lid right? So it makes you think what is the direction where they going? Yeah, or is Nikki cross coming down and XT. Whoever kind of fun killing is there? Yeah, so many so yeah, that one's tough. You know, I don't I don't see Smackdown. I mean Annex you taking this one? I'm going to stick with I'm gonna stick with SmackDown on this one what I'm saying something wrong with my turn. He'll enjoy NXT. Yeah, that's kind of cool. Yeah, I mean again like there's we're at that point now where all of this would make sense and it would be great regardless. And the in the day WB winds and the fans. Yes. Absolutely. We're just totally the carpet showing object myself WWE Universe. Let's talk about that tag team match Viking Raiders new day and the Undisputed Arrow, which might be a fun match. Let me pay for a comedy bit. You know, I just I love the nude a man. I'm for ya new day. Rock's new pockets coming soon by the way. Yeah. So, you know, I'm rolling new day, man. Oh, you know God is regardless of that makes sense or not. I'm just I like him sticking with him I'm saying The reason why I think they are in that match the winning the title from the Revival. I think they go over there in a fun match because I can see Eric and Eve are doing the whole like comedy stuff and you know, even as we are like the being the heels are being overwhelmed by the zaniness the year, you know some funny, you know, biggie had that personality where he do some silly stuff as a big man, you know, yeah until make it believable. Yeah and our women's on Match we have a ticklish Bailey and Shayna baszler. I'm a big belly fan or is a Public Enemies podcast says dough Bailey. I do think Becky should win this one. We as like we like I said hands down Becky are the last kicker Team. All right, let's do it team last kick and finally Brock Lesnar Rey Mysterio Grudge Match for the ages because Ramos here has a pipe nobody. Is it I say, let's keep it going man. Let's keep doing that. You know again Mysterio, you know braack braack braack. He's this big brood. He's a big bully we get it. All right, let's David and Goliath this thing and let's see Rocky win. This is David Goliath, whatever. No, baby, I mean we know what to expect with this we've seen this before this is classic and it'll be a great match. But let you know. Let's give it to Mysterio. He's gone through hell surely. You knew Jim. I like it was last question. I know is kind of like an unfair question to ask you but between more games Survivor series. What do you think would be the paper for the weekend? Well, that's tough man. That is to ask tough questions very much. I mean I'm going to I'm going to say Survivor Series just because it carries all the Brand's o1 pay-per-view, you know, and I'm not saying that at the same fans aren't watching. Thanks T. But you have I think just a bigger pot on the Survivor Series brand. So let's let's roll survivors cool. I'm getting played off. So that's how to get out of here David Christopher work in the world find you online. 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Before I continue one of the ways, we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors, and today anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchors going to distributor podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and everywhere podcasts are listened to and you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor Dot f m-- to get started. Hey guys, welcome back. It is episode 2 of season 2 of Cobra Kai here on AfterBuzz TV is Hawk secretly a villain. Is there some romance brewing in Miyagi dough and are the larusso's the best car salesman in the world? We're going to talk about that in more will see you guys in just one second. You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now. Look every time lets me down. We just waiting for it. We should do like an acapella. You're the best around version. We should look work on it for the next show us or like good singers guys. Welcome back it is. Season 2 episode 2 Back in Black of here Cobra Kai on AfterBuzz TV very excited to talk to you guys about this one binging the show come in here and talk about it. This season is great. I've got a I've got a really really wonderful panel beautiful panel. I'm gonna start here right now. I got no. Damn. Yeah. Hi everyone Tammy gouveia here, Veronica Valencia everyone, finally. Mr. Michael. Clouse my brother Cobra Kai ready to go. Yeah strike First Strike fast hard hard shell Mercy. Yeah, strike First Strike First Strike hard no mercy. Yeah, I always say strike fast. I think I'm dyslexic. I just think you've been hit one too many times. Yeah. Yeah, we hit. We really hate kicks to the Head. Yeah there. Yeah, so guys there's a lot to cover today on the show. Let's start with a little bit of what's going on with Hawk some new students. The growth of Cobra. Kai is a dojo. I just want to just Is Haka dick like this? Yes, what do you guys think? Yes, I mean, I think he's great but he's definitely a d-bag. But do you think he's like just like struttin and join me in a cool kid, or do you think he's like actually bad like you think he's kind of a villain I still think it might come from a place of insecurity and that he was you know, that boy that was bullied just last season and I think he's trying really hard to keep up the confidence so that he doesn't fall back into that insecure kid that he was yeah partially that it's I think it's normal to go from one extreme, which is beams. Verily bullied to another extreme which is no one's ever going to mess with me. Yeah, you know how one feels in your like now I want to be on top now, you know, it's almost like you don't see the bullying is bad. You saw that you were weak. And so I think that is what he's going through is that now he's like well now I'm strong bullying was never bad to him. He was bad because he was weak. So now that he's strong. He sees it he can bully right? Also, his name is Hawk. He's dating a girl named Moon. There's size possibilities. Talking Moon. I feel like they should be like a folk band that storyline. Is it that's a that's a very minor storyline. Yeah, but I just have like do we ship this as a couple? Yeah, right. She was out know we talked to her at the thing on the paleyfest. Yeah, and she was her first event ever. This is her first role. She's ever been in and she's a musical theater girl. Wow. She was so sweet. She was so excited like genuine excitement. Like there's my first one of these ever I like wow. This is so cool. Congratulations. Patience a big shot to Hannah Capital shoes. She's killing it but I don't know if I like buy into it when I asked her and I thought about this was like they really play up in season one the sort of like standard roles like Mean Girls sort of style rolls on high school Clique and she's like, obviously the cheese, I guess like the Amanda Seyfried character. She's like the hot dumb girl kind of like he doesn't say that much and so it's cool that they pluck her out of that role and place her in something else. Would you just be like that's not actually real. Yeah people and have a personality. Leti I like this guy so now I'm going to be a part of this thing and I like that they're doing that. I wonder if they're going to actually develop their relationship more as the what do you guys think I would like to see if they would develop more of relationship. I think that'd be really great especially because like you're saying band They plucked her from the Mean Girl role, but they kind of plucked her from that mean girl role to kind of like another mean girl because Hawk is you know, being perceived as the bully right now, so it's not it's not like she's escaping that kind of, you know negative. Station. Yeah, for sure. I love seeing the two wild child's together. Yeah to me that's like to well child. How can Moon yes, so back on the other side of things over at Miyagi know we have wheel technique and Daniel's trying to figure out how to be a proper Sensei and he's looking at all his tools what metaphors do I have what household, you know techniques like I know that Miyagi is a genius and he had his things like that, you know train, but discipline. Do you think if you just like walked around your apartment or just like AfterBuzz TV? Be like look at something like I could turn that into a lesson I could do they hold this box here wave your hand like this that has been one of the interesting storylines that I are interesting parts of the show that I'm like, I don't know if I'm shipping is even with Johnny like are you qualified to be a teacher just because you took classes 30 years ago. Are you a good teacher right totally agree with you? It's Johnny. So yes a hundred percent. He's got wife lessons to teach man like that. Wakes up in the morning. He's eating like Slim Jim and beers. His first sip is cores live. How much is Coors Light painted the show? What I was going to ask are they making in sales? Because of the show, I think you guys are unless I'm mistaken. It's not course like he's drinking Coors Coors Vancouver's the bottle glass bottle. Yeah, and I have to say going back to the core is the opening of the show Back in Black. Back, you know with the car the Challenger getting ready. Yep, and the to the you know, Miguel and Johnny both getting ready. And then Johnny his breakfast is the beer and Miguel's is the orange juice and then the meeting in the courtyard. It's all my gosh. It was so great. Yeah. No, I definitely love that. I mean that's the thing is like it and I think every show is sort of like this you're supposed to have the a the a characters that everybody kind of loves and maybe some people really love Ralph Macchio story and they really want to see him win, but I think most people are pretty into Johnny Miguel. It feels like that's the Right, that's the driving force behind the show. I love the you bring it up because it's for me as a viewer. I'm obviously loving Johnny story, but I feel like in the first or the first credit can movie was all about Johnny and his perspective and how he viewed no, excuse me Daniels perspective and how I view Johnny as a bully and I feel like as an audience of your I'm watching this and again perspective, but I'm like wow Daniel's kind of the jerk in this entire season. Yes, because like you were saying Tammy he just will not throw Jonny a bone hundred percent. So now another one of the things that happens is Miguel finds out that Robbie is Johnny sun and when it actually happened in the episode, I was like wait, he didn't know that like that. I was kind of taken aback. I couldn't I didn't remember that that was like a thing. He wasn't aware of. I think one of the things to remember with that is that it there in Los Angeles so they could have easily went to different schools. And yeah thousands of people I mean, I went to a very small school so that that taught me that thought initially was like wait really here in the same town and I'm like, oh that town is Los Angeles. Yeah, I was just mean like them competing in the tournament and everything just announced they've interacted like yeah that they didn't know that I was like I guess it makes sense, but it makes sense. But I think it's just like it's confusing to us as an audience because we have watched all season 1 of Robbie and Johnny is really like strained relationships. It's like, okay. It's very obvious that they're Father and Son, but Johnny doesn't really talk about that. So, of course, he probably wouldn't know and I guess it's like if you date a girl and you guys break up and you start dating another girl and you go like Our way you're all going to be maybe you work really hard to not acknowledge the other person that you used to date because like you don't really want to engage in that conversation if you work hard enough that it and they don't want to acknowledge either then nobody really pays attention. I guess that's kind of what's happened here is like they're all in the same place, but he didn't want to let me down though and Robbie obviously didn't want to acknowledge it so they just stayed separate and I guess it wasn't that surprising but I didn't realize until that moment that was actually the case speaking of Robbie. There's some stuff going on his home life. We get a portal back into his mom is like who like her role in this This story and what's going on feels way more like it belongs in an R-rated movie. Then this show yeah, it's really disturbing on so many levels. Yeah, like I feel like that's like that's like a storyline at Sea like in the wire or something like that and somebody would like be dying and od'ing there be like some really really bad stuff going on. But obviously, you know, it's shows that RPG. It's okay for them to use that type of stuff as long as they do it Tastefully and I think this is done well, but it does show a little bit of like why he's gravitated towards having this like guide Force it also makes me think though. I think they've taken his character past this but at a certain point are we going to see him kind of like, you know, like maybe like he lashes out and like Rob's the house that he's staying in and like, you know, I mean like I can see them going down that it feels a little simple but I could see it happening like Rob likes to like a bunch of stuff and leave and just like, you know, like yeah because he has all this misplaced anger and he's like a confused kid is right. Like, I don't know. I think it's possible. I think it's definitely Possible for him to have setbacks, you know, it's like he's done a very good job of Robbie's characters done a very good job of kind of developing. Like I said from bad boy to like golden hero, but there's definitely a chance for setback especially because we kind of saw that with Miguel last season. Yeah, and I think it's a trigger thing. Yeah, you could trigger him just like, you know, what we what we saw last season with, you know the car wash or not the car at the car dealership with that somewhat happening the storm off. We you know, yeah, there's there's triggers that you could he still hit so I definitely am with you on that. And I would not be surprised to see something like that. See I almost want to say I can't see that happening. Just because in the first season Robbie to me passed the test when his two friends, well what a guy called, you know wanted him to open up the dealership or what-have-you, right and he refused and I think ever since then he really looks up to Daniel. I think so Tim. He's definitely a father figure. Yeah, so I don't know if he would jeopardize it. Yeah. I don't know if I see it as Likely, I just was thinking like he is this confused kid and he has this really dark thing going on. So I actually two episodes in I'm not totally sure where the story is going to go because I don't think I don't think that they will spend eight more episodes and season to just kind of like rehashing of like an accelerated version of season one. I think there has to be a big twist. Something's Gonna Have to happen to really make season to pop like, I don't know what it's gonna be necessarily but you know, it's boiling right now. So on the one side of things we have Johnny increase and Johnny is trying to almost like show off but he feels like scrutinize I think by Kris increases their like he's got to be tougher on the student. So you get the cement mixer thing running around in a cement mixer. I would not do that. Just straight like a straight out. I don't give a bleep. I don't give a rat's ass out if I was like, oh, yes Sensei thing for, you know, you would just wouldn't blindly getting inside a cement mixer and like trying to are you kidding. I love how they hit it with the cement truck driver coming. He's like, these are kids. You know this man. Yeah, and it's definitely and you're seeing more and more and more and it obviously with the way the episode ends with the two of them getting beers and running into debt. And in Daniel like Johnny is trying so hard to not let the mistakes of the past dictate the future but he's failing right now. He's right in the crease. Yeah. It's a bad influence man. It's a bad influence. Do you think he went harder on the kids training at that one point just to kind of like show Kris like hey I can do this. You can go away kind of thing. Nikki kinda. I think he hopes Chris is gonna go away ready to go. You're here a day early, you know, oh geez did today. Okay, you know, I think he doesn't know how to get rid of them. And and like, I mean that's going to have to come to a head at some point. I don't expect them to be teamed up the whole season. I think it's highly likely I think there's a split I think Kevin somebody predicted it last season on the panel not even Rick is not with us this season that Kris is gonna start another dojo and the and the most evil kids will go be a part of that Dozer now. Luckily, I have actually not watched past episode 2 yet. So I'm going to be binging a lot tonight and to because I really didn't want like it's really hard on the Bin shows to watch all my head of time and then try to forget what you know, do you end up saying something from a later episode so I actually don't know what's gonna happen, but I wouldn't surprise me if the crease thing happened. So but anyway on the other side of things you have you have what's going on with Daniel and and Robbie and salmon and just sort of like their whole side. They're much more passive training but in the middle of all this He gets this call Ralph Macchio gets this Colony has to go sell cars and it's a good reminder that Johnny just has this in front of me. That's all he's doing. He's trying to he's trying to build Cobra Kai. That's his business. That's his life. All he's got and on the other side. It's like you have to be reminded that Daniels got a life. He's got it wife got these kids and he's got a family and he's got income and he has to go to completely shift gears and sell cars, which I think it makes the stakes higher for Johnny. Definitely like you said this is it for him. Yeah, he's way hungry. He's way more Sly Stallone then Dolph Lundgren. Yeah, so they sell the cars and Amanda encourages Daniel to be his own teacher. So he like, you know, you should come up with his own lessons and that's where he comes up with this new and improved wheel technique and they start to lean a little more into Robbie and Sam. Yeah, I don't like it. It's gonna say it right now not really not a fan of that of that ship from his end to her and I just it just about right for who I do you think it's kind of do you think it's Force like it's obviously Echo they're trained together. Of course, they're gonna fall for each other kind of thing. It feels forced but it also feels like maybe it's forced because it's supposed to set up the the Robbie Miguel like that's really what it's for, right? Yes. She's there to drive their stories in this moment. I don't actually think they want us to buy into the Robbie Sam romance, but maybe they do we know you do nice by the long term. I think they want us to buy into the short term to be able to put our emotions of Robbie and Miguel together. Yeah. It's a little weird in 2019 to have a storyline a female story. And entirely based to serve the story lines of two male characters that doesn't exactly feel like the way writings going anymore feels a little thin actually, which is why I'm addition of like is she going to fight someone? Yeah. I mentioned last time that last episode we're talking about one is that I think they have to have a bigger role for her. Yeah, because right now at the end of episode one, she's like, okay, I'll train you're like what happened you just thought about it and change your mind. It was very quick her whole turn around. Obviously. They had it at hinted at it at the end of last season. That oh, she might join but immediately she's like, oh you clean the pores. I don't got to do anything guy. Let's train. Yeah, you know, I had that thought but I also had that thought of Miguel's out of the picture. She's heartbroken. What am I going to do to not think about him that is a good sign because they're on summer to yeah. She does have a lot of time. So part of it was last season of her stepping back into her girl power and US reconnecting with that part of herself that she had forgotten and now just trying to get over a broken heart, right? Yeah. And I do like that she's training because it allows to bring her into the fold as a as a character beyond what we're talking about and it's only episode 2, so I can't really say that the writing is thin like I don't know where this was going. And as I suggest that in episode 1 with the burning trash can there's red herrings. They it's very obvious. They're they're putting that on a rotating wooden platter for us. And so but Daniel runs in a crease in Johnny and he sees the creases not dead and his blood friggin boy. He's yeah. I have a question though. I just kind of of brings back to my whole point about Robbie. I'm curious about why you guys think Johnny or excuse me? Daniel was going to go talk to Johnny. I assumed it was something about Robbie because you know, Daniel finds out that Robbie is basically a victim and he has to live with them in his mom's out of town and he doesn't want to bring in Johnny because he's so bitter towards Johnny. But as a parent you kind of can't you know, if your child in that situation you I feel again not a parent, but I feel like it's You should respect the other parent regardless and like this is your child and clue them in and I feel like he was going to go do the right thing and do that and then completely got sidetracked advice increase and that just serves the storyline more and more Daniels the villain. He is the childish one who can't see past his own ego. He's way more wrapped up in this Petty rivalry and he won in the 80s. He didn't even lose and just and he won and he's the one who's holding onto it so much more than Johnny is like Johnny's getting beers with Kris. Like I can't say that ending well, but right now, Just drinking a couple cores the banquet beer. That's all they're doing and like you know, and so and so I think Daniels the villain us, you know, Daniel sees the two of them drinking beer and thinks he doesn't care about a son. Why should I even start a conversation with him about Robbie when you know what he's out having beers with crais. He's like, I don't want Chris anywhere near Rob because he thinks about Robbie has his son. Now do you guys like how the writers are almost, you know writing them as children. Do you think it really think that's a major on purpose thing to give us Flash? Bags to 1983 when the first one came out. I mean do we think that's a there specifically writing them as children? Yes. Absolutely. I think that's what makes the show work because they want viewers to buy any of these characters still having the child like robbery. I think yeah, so I mean I'm not on that we but we said it's almost turning us off. Two episodes season 2 that's let's get through. Yeah, they did that exactly. So at this moment than are we still on the same page same question after episode one whose story line. Are you buying into the most at the end of episode to tell Johnny? Still Johnny? Okay. Yeah me too still Kris still Kris. You still want to see that the most I still want Daniel like come on. Yeah. Well, they're they're giving him the best opportunity for growth. Whereas the other guys. I feel like you kind of their little more who they're gonna be no Miguel still unclear. So I'm clear and then maybe Robbie is the Black Swan it because I don't know guys that's going to wrap up episode to hear of Cobra Kai. We got a bunch more coming up. Just a quick message from a sponsor really quickly. Yeah. Absolutely. You guys hope you enjoyed this episode. Hopefully enjoyed the last episode. This is why it were the ESPN of TV talk here at AfterBuzz. And this is one of several shows that we have. 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COBRA KAI IS BACK! On this episode of Season 2, Episode 1, hosts Ben Bateman, Veronica Valencia, Tami Goveia, and Michael Clouse talk about: Daniel’s reaction to learning Kreese is still alive -- The impact Robbie home life is having on his character -- Do you think Hawk is a bad apple, or a lost soul? -- Kreese’s impact on Johnny’s training his students About the After Show: Loved THE KARATE KID film? Then you surely must be watching Cobra Kai on YouTube Premium. It’s a series set thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament where a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo. On this COBRA KAI AFTER SHOW, our hosts review, recap and analyze the latest episodes and bring you inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT COBRA KAI: Thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament, a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo, reigniting his rivalry with a now successful Daniel LaRusso.

I had the rug out of podcasting Charles McFall and the man over there with red and blue going on because somehow that's not Northern aggression is Star Wars related, Joe areI didn't realize it had anything to do with what I have. No idea is actually learn the Grant I don't know but hey, man, so, I'm sure that's a far worse. What are you talking about? There's Valor and there's missing us now that I would get you bitches Star Wars light. I know I'm probably missing something that's obvious. But I don't know why the red and blues there would you said something about started flu or iconic Star Wars colors? Lightsabers, well, you know, there's green and purple and Skittles and Snickers flavored ones and all that. I don't know Joseph Joseph. What is your experience of the week? So this wasn't on the podcast but it was at the very end of the stream and only the stream was able to see it, but I got a new shiny last week from my house. So I got the green bull not to because he's as Red Bull the green Bowl Tauros, which he's dead right now. I should probably revive him. But anyway, that's I know it's me, but took this thing is like that's kind of random. Yeah, so I got him and I did a bunch of Rocket, I could keep one of the column raids but a rocket grunt battles. Unfortunately, I didn't get to play on the community day as much as I would have liked we had our seven-month-old had surgery last week and our other one of our other brothers dry. Guess not that go it went good no complications, and he seems to be mostly back to his normal self. So Yep. Yep. Oh, but I did catch another heat more here at my house this past week. So that was cool. And I hate that all my experiences are oh this was at my house. This is my house. I did get out and play sure. You're like yeah, uh-huh. But yeah, it's been it's been fun. It's been a lot of fun. That's cool. I played actually active ho look at this picture from Terry wolf with Rayquaza as his pal. I mean that that's that so that's actually was about to talk about so this morning and then we got a headline. I'm sure but this morning they launched New buddy system so for a good ten minutes, I played with it because I knew we're going to talk about on the show. I want to see what it's like and I see my mind went opposite first. Terry went to the second place. My mind went wishes. Ooh, what is he Joe Ian? So what do they look like in the game My First guess what my first thought for the buddy system was Joe. What? What is Magic Carpet look like it followed you around and I haven't had time. Yeah, I know right? Well as doing the magic Art walking trying to get all the candies and we did the updates every week. I can't remember. It's a spoonful shikharp watch something like that. Magic what Maji watch or something? Yeah carp watch 2018 or whatever was okay. I'd know Marcus red go away. I hate that. But yeah played with that. It is interesting. I do like how it looks on the map other that I don't care but I see why people would I absolutely oh no, this is a where is our freaking experiences of the week in our Discord. Am I missing something here? I don't know. There it is. I am missing it just kept scrolling passing like can't find it. So yeah, it's a it is an interesting thing that they have there. Beyond that I don't think I did I did the weekend as much as I could zero shinies 0 now. I did not get to go out and spend like an hour. Just playing on the you know, how you do right for Community Day just walk around and do it. But during those times both days. I was out and about I was actively you know throwing pokeballs. I'm at stops where somebody's already lured him up. So I was actually playing Zero Pokémon shinies man. Yeah, so annoying, but did you fight for your freedom? Were you more or less tied up with the kids for the community day or did you I was but I did go through and evolve about a dozen Pokemon so I could get their Community they mousse. So yeah, I just got a heart popped up from my buddy wall together. It's got one heart play together. Give your body a treat take a snapshot. Sorry buddy battle together is nothing to happen. Very often Snapchat. That's okay. Oh, I mean snapshot. Yes. Yeah. Sure. That's what you meant. He wants berries. He's not even out on the he's not even out on the map because he's hungry now his little red rings as all gone down and I'm gonna do it right now in the while we're doing the show, but it's an interesting thing and then we're going to talk more about it. And that's basically my biggest experience this week was hey that launched this morning. Hey, that's pretty cool and launched for you this morning when I gave it to level 40 s first. Okay. Well like everything else. They just show. What did you get last night? Right. I don't know. I actually didn't even bother. Yeah, because the news really just started you news literally dropped yesterday in the game. So I know it wasn't long after, you know wouldn't too far you getting a been like last week or anything. So I'm trying to find where we left off. Oh, that's all we back in November. We don't want to go that far back for the experiences. Yeah. We're going to write the 2 to 12 12. There hasn't actually been any from this past week if you look at it, right if you like it. Yeah, if you look at the experiences a week. Oh, no, that's Thursday artists. Never mind. Oh one one from Terry Popeye. You see the one from Popeye. Papa I've got a got a great Dragon first raid. Yeah. Yeah, that's just going to call it Verizon from now on aren't we? Yeah, why not? Okay Fabian hatched Beldum and then baselining but after the event ended so he evolved it up. Yeah, but if you in our main chat though you got Lot of cool pics from Terry wolf or he's playing with a different program and they really all I was not perfect. They really do great with the size differences Moltres. He's made a small trash. He's flying away High over your character your fine. Hi, Joe get you some caffeine. So Joe tells me Joe tells me before the show starts. Okay. I just let you know. I'm not Kathy crazy. I'm sleep-deprived crazy. Because you know, I got like four hours of sleep last night it like that. That's that's when you drink the caffeine Joan. It it balances man. That's how that works. Yeah. Yeah, the baby sleep had although he's acting normal his sleep habits or not normal yet. So yeah. Alright. So the first one you have down here is locario. Versus Machamp. Yes, but do you even remember who Lucario is not the slightest? Actually? No. Yeah. I remember I'm not into that. I know he's a new finding type whatever that's going to take over the game. We talked about. I know last week. Yep. Yes, and he's from he's on the newer Smash Brothers games. I don't care about that. Yeah. Well if I contract I have to say I don't pay attention to anything but I remember last week. Yeah, so Lucario the short answer is RC is the best fighting type in the game. However, however, but wait R is Murr. Murr what about frankincense or gold and see you got there you got there. Yeah, where are with their stupid joke, but it work. So real low can do candy being relatively rare unless you're you know, Terry wolf. You're probably not going to get a six man team of Lucario's conquerors not even out yet and we don't so we don't know how rare he will end up being so those two will beat Machamp as far as As just stats go but you also have to look at the investment cost and that's what this post is about. And that's why I like it. And so they're comparing a level third. Well a level 30 Lucario and a level 40 Lucario level 30 is there because it's the hypothetical situation where you just don't have the candy to power it up all the way whereas Machamp he's been around since the get-go, right which up, and so and he's been in a ton of different boosted events. So most people have Plenty of matchups. I mean I've I've trashed you when Champs but I still have I don't know 11 12. Nope, 3013. I have 13 more Champs and I'm sitting on just in case people want to trade and well no one wants to trade so I should probably just trash some of these but we're give them to you. I've got him a chance. I got I got three Machamp and I've got two or three machop's or whatever. Yeah, okay. So yeah, I should give like three of them to you got it. And so the comparison here is is a level 30 Lucario versus a level 40 Machamp. And of course the level 40 Machamp wins, but actually not by a huge margin and so they have further breakdowns of further breakdowns, but basically Lucario needs to be roughly level 35 34 35 before he breaks even or surpasses a level 40 Machamp and so getting the Stardust and the candy required to power him up that far is going to be a stretch in and of itself and so while yes, Lucario is better How much better is is a something to debate really and they actually broke it down in space of time. So the first comparison they had here is actually a hypothetical battle against a Blissey and Machamp is 4.3 seconds slower. Is that right? Yeah, no 4.8 seconds slower. Then a level 40 champ is 4.8 seconds slower than a level 40 Lucario in taking down a Blissey. In a gym in a sec. You see where that might play into the we said in simulated gym, but in the PVP battle, well, I guess there's a clock on the gym. Well, well, yeah, so yeah, there's a little bit of a clock on these but four seconds is that out of what is it 90 that the whole match runs. Something like that. But yeah, as far as sure it could be battling. I guess it could make a difference for raids. And so I mean it definitely could make a difference the question is. Do you want to spend all of that candy and Stardust and for a lot of people it would be rare candy. So many think you're asking me personally because you should already know the answer to that. So well, it's personal preference. I probably it is. Yeah. I probably won't go crazy on it, but I wouldn't mind, you know having at least one Lucario that's fully powered up. So I just I would like to have just one in the car yo period I'm good with that. So even have a real Lulu. I don't think so. Fuck you. Search real ooh, hey spell that. Sorry, you're all right. All right. Yeah, they know I don't all right. Oh, yeah, you can look at my screen and look at how awesome use. Yeah. I'm not gonna do that. Okay, you do you I um now if you do get a Luke real Lou and you want to power them up to a Lucario, it might be worth it to invest the 25 candy to get a new attack. He's still a real because if you try to give a Lucario a second attack, it's going to cost 75 candy and 75,000 Stardust versus the 10,000 Stardust in the 25 candy for a real Loop because babies take less to get that that new attack. You mean the lower baby baby or like just hasn't Evolved first level Pokemon, baby. Okay. Yes, so you have ones that hatch in their lowest form comes from hatching. That's like Pichu. Takes 20 actually. Yeah, 25 candy and 10,000 Stardust. Well while we're looking at these kind of analysis is had battled Little Moons. What about we've got to rebalance the rocket battles, although I've only hit one that really couldn't handle but not that I'm which I definitely saw relax relax relax. I got through one and a half and that was it. It was gonna happen but and it's not like I play on the level you play when I try and you know, you know, my luck is every time I check it. It's not there the 10th time I check it don't check it, you know nine times. I check it tenth time. I don't it's there and I mean, yeah, but I'm actually caught a cut one battle the other day where I could drive over. I was on my way somewhere I could pull over real quick spin it triggered a battle and just leave it and drive through. Going when it got to where I was going I could fight the rocket thing. Did you already spun the bat what the battles trigger? This is there much like catching a Pokemon. So I think you know I can tell you how many have fought because I can look at that metal. Let's see here. No, I want this. Where my Metals there? They are? Okay Team Rocket 19. I have fought 19 Team Rocket's so that brought to get bronze. You have to fight a hundred. So yeah that just tells you my experience of why I'm not finding ones that were too tough. So just not battling all that much. But what's this rebalance? What's is it easier is a little bit harder. I was at work. No, that's not at all what this is about that's literally engage what balance is why would you call two rebounds of has nothing to do with the difficulty? So last week Niantic rebalanced a bunch of moves? And so this is talking about which Pokemon are now good generalists against Team Rocket. So that's what this is. And so Kyogre I mean Kiger 100% is the top-tier water attacker right now Dragonite now that he has his legacy moves is doing pretty good as well. Lucario, of course, which he's been hyped up hyped out the wazoo. Melt metal got a new fighting-type move called super-powered. And so that should actually put him as a decent Contender against some of these lineups specifically Sierras laparis or Cliffs Snorlax and then Heatran got flamethrower in its move pool. So that is pretty nice makes scissor. Easier to handle. Yeah in general lot. A lot of these new moves have I guess rebalance moves have mixed up the meta quite a bit which is both a good thing and also a point of frustration for those that have have hyper tuned their Pokémon to have it exactly how they wanted it. Now, everything is mixed up and they need to change it. All again. That's it. He is kind of what I thought it was going to be. You know, it's not that they made the battles easier or harder, but the rebound still had to do with the difficulties because of the new powers now what's better and worse and those kind of things Firepower Firepower. I love the 90 Museum movies. Those are so great. I just yeah. Right by contrast of tea from Reddit of the best Pokemon in the game. This is the newest version. Yeah contract. He does a really good job of keeping this up to date. We've shared versions of this in the past. This is the newest version. But yeah, they've laid out a bunch a bunch one for every Every type so these are all it for graphics one for every type 1 as a general the these are great Investments and just yeah ton of information here ton of information and then down towards the bottom. He also they also set up great picks for the different leagues so greatly culture league and After league as well and after gas, so if you have a chance come in and take a look and it's not just Pokémon that are currently available some of these are not yet available, but their stats are known and they've made it onto the list as well. For instance. Volcarona is on there and a lot of the the legendaries are on their Reshiram Zekrom. And the land of the Landorus do Duo and so yeah, so yeah, we will provide the link in our show notes hop out there and take a look. Are there any that surprise you? No, cause I don't pay attention to that stuff. I tried to feed a stupid Pokemon that says it's too close. I mean, okay. Now I'm going to jump ahead right? I will jump ahead as II it's asking for berries. I'll see if it because if you do like to catch - throw it now listen, listen, listen, listen Linda, listen, listen, if you it with the a are right if I'm just going to catch one. I turned a are it'll be scaled to basically it would be if it was just a non a are Right just a little sprite on your desk. Your body is not that way. So we're doing a little bit to talk about the Buddy a little bit more here works that way for me. You probably have a r+ turned on that product. I had it aimed at my keyboard and my body is a shield on so I literally just pulled up I stopped at he's gonna try to come out go away. So yeah, I mean our I can't quite touch my screen and the footprints on my screen like, okay, I'll just put him on the screen. And feed him a few berries and it'll quit trying to bug me for berries right now while I'm trying to do the show and I did and he's like a cat shieldon just popped right up and use right in my face like you're too close but here's what I love about it and it might be R. Plus. I love it. Here's what I love about Joe is one. He's like in my face like a real pet because it's so close where it said. He should be the camera blurred it like it couldn't focus on him and you might see me if you're watching this which you might see me leaning back the pull my Hold tight because just like in real life if I pulled it back from where it was supposed to be sitting the camera focused in better, but there's no room to actually throw him because he's like in my face is really cool fact, I was like, all right. See now that I said that it's telling me it's too close. Yeah, then why aren't you no, I'm not gonna no reason not to do it during the show, right because it's going to distract us from the recording and talking about stuff but it is a new feature. And so I think it's relevant to right now what we're talking about and we're going to get to a little bit more. in death with the headline on that, but that it's it's One step closer to really altered reality. Right? I mean, she'll have to look through the phone. So it's always good altar, but they're getting closer and closer to it still cartoony. But can you imagine Joe maybe another generation up on phones like the iPhone 12 right where technology is just that much better if you know every generation it jumps a huge leap that is going to look like detective Pikachu level Graphics when you have your buddy out on your desk, you know. And then beyond that it's yeah, the altered part is you're looking through your phone genetically engineer them and then we'll have I'm okay with that. Yeah, I get a pet, Mew with that MIM YouTube. That's what they say about that. Then we have the moral issues of should we really be fighting them? No, he don't that's what they're bred for. There's no morality to it at all. I'm bored before I know you're the good guy stop it. So now when it says I found on this next headline did you find there's just a headline from somebody who found it? I did not find it. Okay. So cool near a counter guy that sunlight found. I just making sure the person that found it is El Gringo Swami L Gringo Suave. I like this one too. Rico Suave from the 80s. Come on. Joe got educate you mad. So it and Nicole is confirming the chat going back to the buddies that it isn't a r+ thing. It's just an overlay if you turn it off by liked it. I liked it the this guide from Al Green that El Gringo. Sorry found it's almost like chalk drawings. I dig it. It's like chalk doodles. So I like it. Yeah, especially the pink Moltres. Well, I mean most of these are shiny but you know, I know you love the pink vulture I do I do says it's a lot of flight here against Verizon. Nothing runs like a Verizon and that's what he says. It's literally spell present at the bottom. I love this dude can't go fish. You're my hero. You are. My hero can't go fish gives us literally murkrow popping out going nothing runs like a Verizon. Yes, you're seeing all these flighting of flying types against it because he's grass fighting so flying as 4 times effective. All right. Gotcha. I'm always have to look to see if I have the Mewtwo with Legacy. It's seem you to only have one. I got psycho cut and psychic. So knots, I strike. I strike could be the Legacy. That's okay. You'll be fine. Yeah, as long as this double psychic you're fine. Yeah. Yeah be fine. So very cool here. You get woodrick Wasa haunch Crow. You just said his name on Blake and now Fire Pinky Moltres while traz thank you the new pigeon. That's not Pidgeotto. So it's confusing is crap Mewtwo and then the flying Stingray. The that's what it is Togekiss. Okay. What is the flying Stingray his mouth and eyes on the bottom and everything? Yeah, so, you know what? I mean? This is a little off topic, but you know what gets my hackles up. No Joe. I really don't like is your Apples Up the new update broke searching for specific. Oh, It's back. They fixed it. Whew, okay. My hackles are no longer up for a hot minute searching for specific assessments assessments is the wrong word. What word am I thinking of Hackle appraisals specific appraisals was broken so you couldn't do 0 star 1 star 2 Star 3 star 4 star. So I got you so you could actually do it but they fixed it. I did it wrong. Hey want to do it wrong try to put it inside out now, I did it right. It's just doesn't like you just didn't like me straight not triggering probably because Nicole blocked you there. It is took a second. Okay, now you can't bring The chalk drawing sit at table without getting the floor cows for kefka or I think especially for guys but in the the headline is yeah. Thank you. I'll bring it. Yeah, we always goes through all this one. You know, what I forgot to mention was that we're talking about rating and it made me remember I'm a little I'm a little out of it today. I'm sorry. We mentioned this already. You're not the only one getting trolled with the x-rayed passes. All right now, That would be clear. I love with somebody from Halfway Around the World sends me an x-ray pass. It just makes me smile that all right, you know, I know I know open the gifts as much as I should I run out of them. So don't give them out as much as I would like to so I always smile when I get it. But who else are you? Are you starting to get em now Joe Owens the prince for London England. Apparently the Princess Diana Memorial walk. They sent you he sits your raid invite. Yes for us next Thursday. I don't want to come up yesterday or today and it didn't give me the option to accept. It just said decline. So maybe I did look at the date. So maybe I've been sent to me and I missed a date and that obviously all you can do is either that or it got canceled. Okay. Well, I mean I was going to climb it. Anyway, I mean, I guess I could accept it gives you experience either way. A and it just makes the invite invalid. So once you send it you can't rescind If I decline it I might start freaking some people out start randomly accepting them. See if I know they never would show up. But yeah. No, I like it. I think it's cool. It's a years came for me. I think my favorite Came From Italy. Thanks so much. Natalie sent me one to raid. I'm like, yeah stand up this in the airplane ticket. I'm there. I will not turn down a trip to Italy. You sure Barry. Yeah, I was gonna say that was it Barry that sent it to you know, it's a risk vacation. I believe is Barb. I never quite say the name Robert Manatee no friends. I got friends. Crabs this under the choo-choo Choo-Choo Choo-Choo Choo-Choo to name. Let's go with name and then reverse it. Don't try to pronounce it correctly. I have to look at it to do that. Barbra blue is who I believe send it to me and Barbara blue is out of well, they sent us up from frascati Lazio Italy. I'm sure I did not say for Scotty right Lazio. Probably frascati Lazio Italy. So I'm guessing he's gonna say mozzarella and it's all good. Right? Wow. Wow. Okay, I would pick on that, but I'm looking back at this Fork of cows for variety. It was called a Verizon. I have started something Joe. I have changed the world. Everybody's writing Verizon on these things. I dig it so hard but what got me is the bottom. I'm sure you were the first one to ever call it Verizon. Yes ever. Yes. Yes, it's not but he's got a KFC bucket and a hot dog. So that's going to distract me from your highly insensitive remarks here. What what if you have slightest Blaziken? Yeah hotdog is an take that's hilarious. Why why isn't a because he's a dog. He's a fire a fire dog, I guess so Verizon. Yes is vibrant. Yeah ask fighting we talked about that. Yeah. Grass type is weak to fire. So that's why there's some fire people down there if you hate flying types, which is awesome. Okay. Now the one I honestly do not recognize what's the purple double tail? Grat bunny, they Espeon Okay for Kitty cows. I can normally get behind your art. That is not as the all you got. You gotta step up your game gonna have to sell the rest of this a hundred percent get that one. Especially the best verb. Yeah bourbon. Yeah. I love the Mardi Gras pigeon. I love that style. They drew. I love that loogie. I just looks so freaking awkward at can't do anything which is about right if you're playing with Lugia which by the way, That a headline about spoil a headline. I'm not scanning that fast loogie. I did I didn't put it in there. Okay up top. Why would you believe you read a great day? They knew you got one for free and needed another never rated for it. That is true. That is true. All right, what are these times will trick him? He will raise so we've got we got a few more headlines, but Jody's get some caffeine should we talk about the Lugia and hoo-ray since you brought it up because it's not it's not one of the headlines we have listed fine, but it was announced today that there will be a special Lugia and hoo raid weekend starting tomorrow. So that's December 20th and ending on December 23rd. And actually we did talk about this a little bit because there were some people that were Because it's they're missing out on on some time because of sleep. Well not because yeah we talked about because overnight. Yeah, because overnight there's no raids. It's one. But yeah, so that is that's true around the world. It's it well it's not localized. I know but you still missing out on the stage 12 hours every else is missing out on I want to see the math that says that I don't know u.s. Of America. Erica gets more hours and then Austria, that's what I want to see. Because people in Texas said so bigger is better. But yeah, so that is this weekend get out there or don't because you know Charles won't so no not I guess so much going on this weekend is Stoopid Krazy coming up on you know, Christmas is coming next week. The next show we do is going to be Most Christmas where Joe's gonna show off the fact that he is a shiny Moltres and he's gonna have all the shiny Moltres paint. Yeah, how dare you that is Valor bird. I am not I am a shining on the couch Joe we would not have gotten along and stayed together as long as we have on the show if you weren't in your heart, I mean SOB Valor love it dude. I just said I'm too far south to be in Articuno I'd melt. Well on that note, we're gonna take a quick break sit joke is some caffeine and we'll be back in just a moment. The Pokemon go podcast is made possible 100% by you and other listeners just as awesome as you are if you want to support the show and get a little something in return. Just go to patreon.com slash Pokemon go podcast. We're back in thanks for sitting tight for us. He actually did run it get some caffeine and it's gonna be an interesting second half we gave him the the coach's pep. Talk from any given. Live life is a game of inches love that speech. Alright, so but here's a moon on some more headlines. I think I saw that in the theater and fell asleep. Right you so much. That's like I'm not even a foosball fan. That's like the greatest freaking movies. Only Oliver Stone movie. How are you getting off topic yet? If there was foosball and educate Joe hard at DragonCon. All right, but Community note Pokemon can now be found in more places around the world that tells me that they have started pushing new countries, right? Sure, if that's what it tells you that must be what happened was with the headline tells me because you know, it's not in all the countries around the world for a while. We were actually seeing Oh, hey now Brazil has owned a hell no, whatever country has it or did you talk about migrations? It looks I just thought about my greatest migrations. Okay, so they're not adding new countries, which is what I hope for 4 players in countries that don't have it is actually is talking about more migrations around the world to shuffle the deck and let you get more access to different Pokemon not as exciting as I thought it would be Joe not even close and they don't even really give any specifics and so it's like, okay, what does that? Been mean and so if they're just saying look there were some places that were densely populated. And so now those Pokémon are going to be spread out a bit more and so basically all it says is there reworking the spawn points is what it means to me. Yeah, now I mean that makes sense because you know like Fabian in our experience this week's like oh gosh, I need a beldam. Well, I mean even outside of Community Day Beldum are still pretty fairly popular here where I am, that's not we don't get snow here. They go away when it gets cold weather boosts them. Then why would they be popular here? We do get a little snow we get cold. So it gets boost. He doesn't get snow. Yeah, and they're all their psychic to what is it windy windy boost psychic don't know why would win boost psychic when she boost flying. I'm not raw every every every weather-tight boosts like three or three different two to three different types. So it does Boost it does bees flying. I think he's getting too complicated. I know it's been it's been a hot minute since I've checked. What does what it might be cloudy site psychics a weird one because it doesn't logically have a weather condition where it would make sense. This game has yet to the point that I feel like I need to listen to a podcast just be educated enough to do this podcast is I don't think is its layer on top of layer tompa, holy I know I know there's more than one person out there who has every detail memorized easily and can tell us what boosts what what shows up more and more countries. You made me doubt myself. It is windy weather that boost psychic jerkface your valve the animal. Yes, dr. Pepper. But yeah. No, I mean That person in this world who knows all the ins and outs of Pokemon go and and where things spawn how often they move but it is in my tired brain. And now I mean I can tell you a little bit more about stuff. I am more involved with right I can tell you a bit more about the lore of God of War say because I've played all those multiple times so on so forth so I get it but from a casual standpoint it is so much I just Like hey, look I can fit I can Pat my body. Now who here's a berry buddy. I'm good to go. You know, that's its. That's the layer. I'm good with it. Yes a joke, sleep more and drink some dr. Pepper because you're the one who's got to bring this this migration stuff to the table. The now speaking of those buddy Adventures here. I'll see now now look at the graphics. I'm not going to play the video obviously, but if you click on the link and just putting in the twitch, it'll be in the show notes for the podcast. They are using highly rendered models not quite to detective Pikachu levels, but that's even what I'm talking about, even if we get to that level of Polish and again, it's paused. They look like Thanksgiving. Day Parade balloons. Yeah a little bit little little shiny. Yeah, a little-little not real there. But yeah, and then as you scroll down get the picture that's more like it more cartoony there. I just about I just started to hit play on it and then I realized all of that audio is going to go right into the stream. That's beautiful. So let's that let's stop that right there. So you did not play with this at all until right before the show or right after we started the show. Yeah what we started the show, but I've already fed him like a dozen treats. So I'm trying to make him fat. Well, okay. So here's something right learned is it won't matter if you once you fill out that red bar you get that let gonna let that red bar rundown for you morph reverse. It doesn't actually matter because no don't even say they're not real Santa Claus. We're talking about in the game for Progress. You won't get extra harsh by just cramming Joe. Let me explain how babies work when they're hungry. They will let you know they're hungry if you just To shove mashed up berries interface. It will not work. You're not going to get extra Hearts Joe. You gotta let the red bar around that circle around them now to come down. Yeah, but you can still just dangle the food in front of them and tease them why have we swapped roles tonight? I do not understand. I don't like being the smart one. I don't like knowing the crap about this game. So here's another little interesting fact about it right is now it's very touch sensitive to the area because if you hit The buddy you pull the Buddy up directly and that's how you get to the play menu AC their hearts and the progress so and so forth, but then if you go into your settings and turn off AR plus then you don't have it telling you that your buddy is to yeah, but then honestly, it's not as fun. It's not as cool. If you do that in my opinion now, I don't turn on the air Plus or anything else. Yeah. I don't use it for the catching any of that other stuff, but I did actually dug it with this. This is cool and there are Wolves to unlock and how do I find my level stop it? What are you doing? No, I didn't mean click on your Pokemon and you can look at the levels are there it is that the top so the name of your buddies at the top left corner and then you get your hearts just like buddies in the game, right? He is my good buddy. So you can adventuring buddy. You unlock when you get good buddy, which is the first thing you get is. So you give some berries when you get good? Yeah, you get the adventuring buddy and readable mood. Then the next one up you'll unlock catch a cyst and find presence which actually has me a little looks a lot. Okay, I like presents. I like that's good. Then the third level which is ultra body gets find locations find souvenirs again souvenirs new to the game, right and then best buddies and I'm wondering about find locations if it'll help you track down. You basically spawn more Pokemon your buddy will let you know about interesting locations nearby. That doesn't really help. I know I can read but near by forgive me from about the day. But then and they when you get two best buddies, you get the CP boost and a best buddy ribbon. Yay. So interest interesting things and you can swap by. Life you swap your body 20 more times today is what it says. Is that all only 20 x 20 more times 20 more time. And then you have a today's activity in total activities overall. Yeah, and then you saw all the different things that you can get hearts for right? Yeah. We got wall time get this screen. If right now Joe just walk together. I'll give your body a treat. Well, so well together is three heart. It's and with this one is 2K give your buddy a treat is three hearts play together as one heart which play together on the shield on it was just okay the way I was about to say that was going to come off wrong. How do I say it right? I was just petting them like a dog. Basically. I don't know if the other ones do anything different but shield on was very much just as soon as I put my finger on the screen puts his head down and you just like scratch behind his ear and then Bing you got happy and it's popped. Smiley face. I got a hard battle together. And this is a dailies are all the dailies so you can presumably every day. You can reset LOL reset you can do you earn more hearts and that kind of thing battle together up to 10 Hearts A Day take a snapshot and then of course visit a new place. So I'm wondering now except play those games right where let one of my favorite things when Facebook first are doing games was the fish aquarium. You had a nice car turned to an aquarium. I'd go and feed it. Well, if you get busy you don't feed them. They die. We will our Pokémon die if we don't get in there and give them berries and stuff. We haven't given them berries for three and a half years. I think they'll be okay. Not really, I guess I guess if you put them in a gym you could feed them berries before but you know, you didn't visit the gym very awful's. Well, you don't even have to visit. How did you know Mary's January is coming up you hear new, you know go to the gym more. No, that's that's our past that gym membership in Pokemon is way more expensive than the gym membership in the real world. The the all the guilt and the Judgment all I get enough judge. We don't even read what I read iTunes reviews anymore. All the Judgment I get I've got I'm not about to join a gym for all that you if you put it an iTunes review out there and you say nice things. I will read it. I promise Charles swamp novel As I listened read it on are all right Charles listen to it. So there's a new Dev blog and it's also talking about the Buddy Adventures here. Yeah, I'm not going to read this is a lot. It's really right. Now, I would probably related but not on the show don't want to read it. You want to read all of it? No, just look at the nice picture. Look at all those plush animals, either you're gonna get out. Look at that ditto now that didn't wash that's where the third or fourth picture down. That's solid man. I would pay 20 bucks at a con for that. It did. Oh beanbag chair. That's kind of what I think it is. I mean, it's small for being bad chair, but it kind of looks like I did a bean bag chair for ants Are you looking at a picture of okay, I don't think you are. You're the top pictures in the top picture a baby. Could that baby could be on there. I don't I don't think man Joe if you don't get some sleep next week, I'm gonna strangle you. Yes, that's just true. That's come to Chattanooga. I've been there. I know where you live. I could take you to Chicago for a day know if any of these pictures the very last picture that Snorlax was make The best chair out of all of the stuffed animals that's a thought to Snorlax. This door locks would be that that Dad move where to get your kids because your kids are three and five dollar ones five and seven five and seven. I had the space but you're wrong. So perfect five and seven. Hey kids, we're doing a pillow fight. You give them their little normal kid pillow sizes and you whip out that store Lexington Wow's I'm against the wall. That'd be awesome. Now you don't feel a fight with your kids that way just me. Okay, don't call defects. Hey wish.com has put that link in the chat put that link in the notes because I'm sure on his waxing want that? Okay, so there's a graphic for this buddy system to explain it yet. Like Joe said you can earn 10 hearts a day takes a little work. Not much explains the different faces. You'll get ironed a happy face today. I was some berries you can get from this looks like the kids Pain Scale on the on the ambulance. But in this case, it goes from tired all that too excited and see the President says it contains items that can help you in your journey. I'm thinking that's going to be like the gifts that we get from our friends. Yeah. No, you don't think so. I think it'll be evolution items. Oh, that'd be great. Speaking of which I discovered today. I have a you know bastogne you want to know so last was last week unibet knows two weeks ago two weeks. The reason why you weren't getting you know stones and I told you this I don't like I don't care that's because you didn't do the hippie EV research boxes. They had, you know, the stones in them and you were like, I don't care. Nope, not just pass now. Is the minion pass that's a or and you don't know the answer. But if you look at it'll bring the souvenirs and I don't think the super neat because souvenirs and it's something that really won't do anything for you in real life. Right? Just keep it as a Memento. So I'm curious if these will I don't think so. These will do anything either other than just kind of be cool. I don't know that wonky spring I think is going to be amazing. best or the or the single Pearl Earring Oh I got title for you. You went to Singapore Thailand where tell them what they win for the best buddies for the best buddies. What you win is the best buddy ribbon and also your best buddy can get a CP boost in combat making it stronger and more resistant in battles, but wait if you buy now and get two for the price of Kuwait, I'm a meet you now excited mood. So if you if you You work hard. You can view beyond the chat. You can't beat me on the stream crap. That's true. I forgot. I don't have the power anymore. But if you get your your body up to excited mood, which is a top bun right goes tired dull normal happy smile fun excited the excited mood unlocks you distance. It takes your body to find Candy will be cut in half which especially with shield on that would be worth it for me something. Been walking him for a while because I'm trying to get those candies. So Earnhardt's for action will double and trainers can earn bonus Hearts. Once that once you unlock that mood so very cool and saying you can swap your buddy 20 times a day. So if you're a real go-getter and you get those 10 hearts on your body and get that excited mood, either you keep it going and earn some bonus parts for your friendship and possibly you'll get that half candy or you can swap out up to 10. A21 Pokemon you could essentially buddy in a day and 10 heart. You're max out that that's a lot. That's that is probably the most generous launch of anything. The Niantic is done since the beginning. Yeah, if you say so the rewards are kind of man. I'm not talking about the Lord. Please forgive Joe for what I'm about to do to him. This is not another free is free. We don't know what they're going to do. So don't bad me on that stuff. But the whole you can actually instead of being will you get one buddy a day to do this on you can actually do a 21 buddies. That's 210 freaking Hearts Joe. Ed day you got time for that during intend freaking Hearts to the hearts actually reset though when you switch buddies, I haven't tried it. I would assume so I would assume not because their tasks for the day is not a task for a minute, right? It's not like walking. Let's see the walking progress and reset if you swap your buddy, and now the they won't be more progress resets then you know, if you've done the history if you've done 10K the total fucking button reset but the walking progress together candy reset Don't think the high think the hearts consistent days and no you're right Nicole. It does say today's activities, but with that swapping now, I don't think so. I because your buddies your buddy doesn't reset when you don't play with him. I'm not your buddy your friendship levels. Don't reset when you don't play with me. I would swap but I have a 5k buddy, and I'm at 4.8 right now. Let me see where I'm at. So I can I can tell you I'm at three point seven other words you can swap swap buddy of your best friend show. LaBeouf just do it. Alright slack off you are now my buddy. Let's play together again. Sometimes it says then it swaps them out throws the Pokeball slack off. I Choose You and he's just laying the hearts are reset for slack off. Yes. Didn't have any harsh now. Yeah. Like I said, let me go to shield on back. I'm switching back to shield on know I bet when you switch back, they will not reset see that's what I'm talking about. I think we were talking about two different things. Well now you're not going to carry heart progress over to somebody you didn't play with Joe and know Nicole officially they do not reset. I just flop back to Sheldon. That's a great question to call. Thank you for asking that hey Nathan, welcome. The the hearts are are right where I left on the shield on. Oh guess what Joe? I kept my 3.8 out 5K walk on Sheldon. So they actually stop that it did use reset when you swap before I would say. Hey, you're gonna lose your progress. It didn't say that here. So when I put him back in yes, so they fix it. So we learned something. Thanks to Nicole is that when now they fixed it. So you are right. I know you're right that when we talked for days. Are you sure you want to swap because going to lose your progress? No now they're encouraging to swipe through buddies because I kept my progress. I just realized that warning any pop-up. I kept my progress and now, you know, the heart's definitely stay in place. so so soon now, here's the last little paragraph owner read in this whole vein of buddies after buddy Ventures available, which it is now, right this this little post was a little before that they'll be even more to look forward to soon. Your body will be able to meet your fellow trainers buddies and shared a our experience mode. So you can sync up with two other trainers and AR plus mode to take a group photo with your buddies to get that's actually kind of cool. I was teasing that kind of cool long time. They have been yeah, dude. Sandbox, and the Earth the players whatever. Yeah, they've been talking about playing with your buddy and stuff for a while. Yeah, they even had the little microphones or the not Michael. Yeah that you can hook up to your phone. So that your bucket buddy could make noises through your phone. Yeah, that's also a hard pass but I like the idea of it. It's kind of cool. All right, we got to get we got stuff to do tonight. So there's a Pokémon go Christmas calendar. Is this a an in-game thing we're going to To get bonuses. No, this is something made by our good friend jacket K. By the way, Rock got of grub. That was funny jacket. That was funny. I on Twitter actually officially known to like and share it. I've been busy today, but I did see it and thought it was great. Although I notice it jacket K liked his own post his own Twitter post before I liked his Twitter post. So that's that's that just made me laugh. But yeah, well what you probably saw was me posting it. On our Twitter. I thought maybe you liked our Twitter. Whatever. All right, never mind. So Jackie came a this calendar and it lays out where now you got me messed up. Joe can't speak lays out everything that's going to be happening per day. You done messed up ay-ay Ron. So go look at the calendar. It's linked in the notes moving on then. Yes, we get is wonderful and it is full of Christmas Joy would you say it's adventurous? So all right. I'm not even go through this so much on this infographic. We do the weekly update by wonderful one and is a To save said we've covered a lot of it. I don't think he actually likes us. Well, that's it makes me sad now. I'm going to reach out to wonderful ones. Hey, man, listen to the show because that'd be awesome. So back we got we got street fight to play when it gets that but jacket case calendar actual cover you to the end of the month. It's really good and nothing's going to really change their. Yep and cuckoo. Could you I mean cub Chu is released. Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo, and then I want to see what Nicole sitting here in the chat room. Not until Christmas Eve. Nathan says what if you evolve your Pokémon Ike that I can't do but I imagine it still keeps the Charles can't of all this Pokemon that my shield. I've got a he's got a special version of the game from his uncle hanky that prevents him from ever evolving anything. I want to meet you so bad, but I will do no good. Tell us about the Gibble family. I feel like we're playing Family Feud and on the right. We got the Gibble family. So it Gibble it really really weird during the egg pool shake up. His shiny form was released, which I I've been operating under the assumption that we wouldn't get shiny Gibble until he had a community day. But yeah shiny Gibble is out and about so you can hatch him from 10K eggs you can also find shiny Gible in the wild. If you are one of the very very lucky people to actually find him. So that is pretty uh seen a few of the players, you know on my friends list. I have found them. I have not. Yeah shiny Garchomp. He's not different enough that I really care. Yes. It's a darker blue shiny Gible. It is pretty neat. But yeah the Garchomp I'm like, yeah. It's kind of like the colors are just muted on shiny Garchomp. Yeah, I get that. I mean this is one of those that is just not that much different. Of course the graphics are there. Yeah, so Joe. Hey, hey Charles Hey, Joe. You're the smart one today. You know what time it is. It is time for not so random trivia trivia trivia trivia and tonight. I wanted to talk about Virizion not to be confused with Verizon. It is the grassland Pokemon. It is the third member of the swords of justice that we have gotten. If you don't recall from previous random trivias, these are based. Roughly on the Three Musketeers with Keldeo filling in for D'Artagnan as the number for member of the swords of justice as we've talked about all evening Virizion is a grasp fighting-type Pokémon. Its pokedex entry says that this Pokemon fought humans in order to protect its friends legends about it continue to be passed down it also so that's the black pokedex entry. But the white Pokedex entry actually talks about the horns on its head that are as sharp as blades and that it uses its Whirlwind like movements to confound and swiftly cut its opponents. I'll cut you so bad I didn't catch you so bad. So like I said, this is one of the Musketeers it is based off of Aramis specifically because Aramis was the best at swordplay and yeah. A lot of fun get out there and get this Antelope gazelle stag thingy. The name Virizion probably comes from the name or the words Viridian and Champion Veridian being a bluish-green color, which is the color that he is and you know, he is the champion. Are you not going to sing? Are you expecting me to sing? I'm not sure where we just had a moment of silence where everyone's together. Yeah, we're like he was a champion moment of silence, please what else what else what else we got with with Verizon. There. He is the grass type Pokemon with the highest special defense stat, which is weird since he's supposed to be the sword play. The best at swordplay so you think that it would be you know special attack or just attack but no he has the highest special defense of all grass type Pokemon. And that's why you need that quadruple flying attacks to get through his defenses. Yep, because let's face it. The Musketeers just can't handle airplanes. That's that's fine art. This fighter jets will take that true. So many levels now. Can you find Verizon all over it? Very very easy. Whatever his name is you have to check it coverage map for that. Are they ever? Yeah, that's what masking joke. Is he spawning? Is he spawning all over the world? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So unlike the actual Verizon you can't actually get servers everywhere with this one. Well, I mean wherever Pokemon go is available. That's true. Yeah you there. I guess you can't go to poke at Sixth and and and get them don't think he spawning in Antarctica or the North Pole? They had to extend our he's Santa Claus. Niantic is anti-christmas. Any other interesting worms from here? No, sir. Okay. I got to show you something for you play this before we play this I just as I put my phone down there was enough movement and my character that hatch my 10K Egg and I just got a pharaoh seed. Yeah, that's my first an affair. I got them from a raid because you know, I do those. 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Now let them you know, new rows are reminds me of steps a bra in the booth Justin. Tragic character look wiser. Yeah, all the other stuff is all the way around. Oh wow. No, she doesn't have half the personality that step has I like that you can say yeah, but stuff is in the booth. So everyone at home who is tuning in. We will read your life comments as she is there. And of course, my name is Toronto will be hosting the panel alongside the one and only Jim Jim Alexander is in the building. And of course George is here. Here with us as well. That's George Khoury Toronto. I love that last names because Liz used to last name as she walked out on Max haven't talked about that and much much more as we talk about the flashbacks prompt Michael and Alex Max and Liz Isabella Rosa roses murder, which we kind of got a glimpse at or did we the Blackout's who you are special segment where we pick a scene and a character in the show and let it relate to us. And of course we do have some ultimate predictions for next. So and are we getting a next season let's talk about all of these things. Let's jump right into it starting with George. What were your overall thoughts on this episode My overall thoughts are that I love this episode because I felt it went full circle. I understood everything that was happening in front of me all the time because I got the backstory you got the back story is so you like the flashback? Yes, like the flashbacks Jim good recovery from the last show. I wasn't a fan of the last one, but this one gave us Trip down memory lane, and we kind of saw all these answers that we were getting clues for for the last four or five weeks or did we I actually have a lot more questions this week than I have answers and I tell you a couple of them overall thoughts great episode definitely. Possibly the best of that of the season it's a contender create intriguing. Yeah, it created Created empathy in the characters for us knowing the backstory was fun. I enjoyed seeing them and they did a really good job of making them look super young. Yeah, they did a really good job putting this ball cap on Max that's maybe extra makeup and things which is the dress. That was really good. I will say this questions that I have do they look like aliens in a normal form and now Now they're mimicking humans or is this an entire race of human shaped aliens? I think they're just humans who have these super powers as we saw them as children. They look like perfectly normal kids and they are reasoning they're finding out what their power so you do not think there are aliens from outer space. I do believe that but I just think that they're more similar to humans than we give them credit for what gives them credit for. Did you see them bleed? Did you see their blood? What color is it? Is it all human? Like? I don't know. I think there might be Something underneath that skin that skin that might be some kind of liquid nitrogen type of blood that they have I think they're the kids just the outer appearance that makes it look human color of the handprint is a classic Jim saying maybe there's some sort of plasma running through. Yeah. I'm like a matching plasma go. I'm surprised they look human. Why would they look human they are aliens. Why would we have adapted our shape? Because of the world we live in is their world that similar that they also look like us. Or are they just humans and this is an experiment. There's much more to the alien backstory that were finding out and we're finding it out through Isabel and also the alien shape keeps appearing the the circles with the with the little three Mark in the middle. So it on Michael at some we saw we saw handprints we've seen it on people's hands. We've seen it being drawn on paper. I mean this alien symbol stands for something. So when I say I have more questions now I actually have Chance why didn't max actually kiss Liz like that. There's a question as I understand. Oh, I got the answer to that. You got 14 openings make a move Max let's but then when he did make a move was a little late and then we see Michael and Alex and that move didn't work out and then it did. You know, this is this how the show keeps going back around. Let's start off with the flashbacks liked it hated it loved it. No, like or hate involved. I love the flashbacks. First of all, I thought that the casting it was phenomenal and that's the case against right kiss look like they did. Yeah, they look like their respective characters and I loved seeing the high school wardrobe team. I thought the Wardrobe team at Roswell New Mexico. They did an outstanding job dressing him. I thought it was great the brighter colors bring out the youthfulness. We saw the bangs and Isabel. So I really thought that it connected well to the viewer. You mean like when they were teenagers or in 2004, whatever 2004-2008 it flashback in. Scenes. Yeah, and I thought it was done Tastefully and each time that they provided the flashback gym where your fan. Yeah. It was cool. I mean the kids the 2004 look was I mean they casted some especially Michael kid. He was a dad. I really thought the Isabel was even better because he had what sholde she had that all she has she looked older though. She looked older than those two other boys. Maybe it was just her maturity possibly and then the teenagers. Yeah. I mean he just put a hat on Max and and Isabelle got a little red the bank's the bank's. Yeah, but he made a difference enough to believe them as teenagers as well. They did look 10 years younger - Lee I thought they were 10 years younger one part, which I was having confusion with this Y is Rosa hanging out in high school so much and she's 19 years. She had held back. She had to have been held back with all her issues. I don't think she was still in high school. I think she was just hanging out at the high school because even the girls who were in the car with her. We're high school girls. Yeah, but when you have I Because her sister was in the high school and that was the Connecting Point. She was close to her sister. That's how you catch a charge short. That's how you catch a charge. I don't think she was partaking in any of that swell. How old was Isabel? I've 17 probably because Max was 17. So I'm guessing they're all the same. So we're looking at it in a situation. I really like the flashbacks. I thought they were done extremely. Well awesome. Yeah, I like the concept of them as kids and then finding out about their powers something. That was intriguing was the fact that Michael had way more control over his powers as a kid, then he does what I feel like as an adult. Hmm. He was powerful enough to bury the guy that Max killed basically with his power and he was the one who basically went through the puberty last he went through the power exchange the last and wasn't aware of it until that moment kills the kills the transient that seems to be attacking or disturbing Isabel's P or whatever she was doing and then and that's Point you made that Michael seemed to be in control because and they were kind of recapping their powers. So Isabel said she control they said Isabel controls thoughts. Michael says, I moved things and Max was kind of like, I don't know I just rage and electricity and stuff happens something something. So we saw actually during that conflict when Max comes in he actually would surprise me. He attacked as a human would attack. Do you guys think they're suppressing their powers like someone like Michael is suppressing his powers and I'm forgetting about him. He's not using it to his father. Shellac and every time I watch one of these superpower shows, I always think that if it was me, I would I don't care what my power is. I'm going to use it to the fullest extent of my ability. I'm not going to Stephen I are on the gifted panel and we watch these superheroes basically the mutants not using their power to their fullest potential at all, and we're getting upset and I'm furious because I'm like, even if my name if I was chatting man, you would not like I would be the 10th like everyone with I was In an environment where your safety would be compromised you live in a desert torch, you can go in the middle of desert and practice your power 10 hours a day practice of power. But we saw what happened Isabel in the desert. There's still people roaming there. They had to be low-key sure but they were in inhabited Parts a desert goes for else just go down the road. I'm just saying they had to have practice to be able to use their powers. In fact, we see in a flashback or Isabel's like I'll change the teacher his mind who didn't want to let me go to prom I'll change her mind. So she's practiced it before they should have they should have used their powers from earlier age to intimidate the town then they wouldn't feel as outcasts and they wouldn't they feel okay Machiavelli that they should have used their powers to take over the world what I'm saying is this isn't General Zod here. Okay what I was saying like a cougar so I was saying is that we should just be very aware of their powers and who they are. I feel like they need to investigate them. Self's more that's why they have such a hard time with who they are now because they didn't investigate they're like, what are we some murderous aliens that came here just to kill and they forget about everything the whole is no one questioned Isabel incident. What happened with the Rosa thing. They just let let it slide and let it move on without ever just it they let them hunt Honda them basically in your dreams as Max talk about him having these dreams constantly, but yet they never ask questions or follow-up it just seems Weird it wouldn't do that. Well, yeah, they did say I have no you're one day we were children and then we were something else after the murder. So I think what happened is they stopped exploring because the murder just happened to soon imagine being kids. And now you murdered someone you're shocked. You don't want to explore that anymore shot in the hood everyday bevi their social their associating their powers. Yeah with murder so they don't see it internally. Is this gift or a blessing they see it as something that's going to harm people. You'll most strong strong. 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We do respond to the comments below and of course step sobral is in the booth on the live read sure she's dead on the inside but on the outside she's live. So let's discuss thanks. I like that sort of stuff liked it too. Listen, let's talk about prom. Okay prom. I don't know how your problem went. But this prom went amazing and horrible at the same time for next Depends for her. All right bad for everyone else. I thought listen one thing we got to seize my boy. It was the varsity. I mean homecoming King varsity. T top-notch guy, he's probably the quarterback. This guy was rolling. Now. We know the backstory of he was the man but then he gets dumped over the fact that he gets in a little squab. No. No, he showed his like true color like that was outside that took pick on someone for being gay. He okay. So basically Alex call them out on it there and put him in a bad position in front of well, that's because Kyle did it to himself. So we remember the episode before where they're discussing how Alex basically goes. Yeah. On me right to make yourself liked by other people even though we used to be really good friends and Kyle is questioning why he did that clearly showing like a change in character. Why is that the journey to scene out of it though. He didn't make us she had a good heart Alex, right? Yeah, Alex knocked him back to sir. He's supposed to you basically called him. He called him a faggot that was the whole day. But that was the that was the subtle part of it. The subtleness was that that's what he said and that's very very wrong and I'll tell you what, I like tell Liz did stand up in that moment because we've you know, a lot of people have questioned her character and motives as she's shifting around doing things. But what that was refreshing to me to see Liz stand not only just for Rosa because that's been her main purpose but we show she cares about the people that only she cared about people like that's one thing that made me like Lismore is that she stood Kyle knew enough to act different in front of her because He wouldn't stand for that kind of behavior. Exactly. And this is a person who's clearly in tune with social awareness and social issues because she's faced. She's been a marginalized minority herself her whole life being an illegal immigrant and a dreamer and a person who's known this country and not her parents country. Her parents have come here for a better life. So she stands out stands up for the underdog and I wish that because a lot of the times minorities only stand for their own respective community. She stepped over to another minority who's being discriminated against and she stood up for that she dead but here's a counter thing because how did she unless she suspected of Kyle doing this on a regular basis. That could have been a he said she said who kind of thing this is the first time she sees it up close Kyle being accused of that and she right away makes a judgment on it, but it came off as if Kyle's not kind of kind of a dickhead. That's me. Will ya at least guilty? I don't believe that. Child denied saying it all together. He didn't deny it either Alex called him out on it. And then Kyle's like he was stuck in no, man. That's what do you like? Oh, you're gonna do this in front of Liz. It was like a different person specifically repeated something. He said, you know, I like tacos and you like hotdogs hotdogs. He added more fuel to the fire then it definitely is he was taunting him. Yeah, and and you know what? I was actually very enamored with Is at that moment because Liz hasn't although I haven't always had a good place in my heart for Liz because been wishy-washy up and down in the way. She treats Max it's to run team is now it's not that I've never been I've always been more Timeless than anyone else and I've been shipping Max and Liz but I also like Liz more in this episode and I like Max less because of what happened later. I felt I like Max less because he became wishy-washy. Yeah. Liz was able to stand up and also in that incident Max didn't do anything Michael stepped up my camera pushed Kyle away my chemicals and grabbed Alex Integrity. He Journeys about Michael a lot every week. We seem to he takes the fall for everyone. It's like the second or third week. He's yeah volunteer to do that. He was pinned originally that he was like the bad guy the going that's a troublemaker, but he is clearly becoming the guy that he's the more mature. What's the most mature martyr of He gets he's clearly being abused by his adopted parents where they tried to do an exorcism on him because I guess he probably and demonstrate his power was he demonstrated his powers? That's what was on the arm and everything. They basically are possibly extremely conservative religious family and he might have demonstrated some type of power in front of them and they tried to take it out of him and he needs to leave the house and to the point where by high school. He's living out of his truck for real. Yes, you know, he steps up. Elizabeth with roses murder and he tries to take the rap for it and he basically does so that his sister doesn't take the abruptness for her own personal psyche. I mean Michael comes out being I'm way more team Michael than I oh yeah, it's hard not to yeah, he seems like the real kind of genuine guy that legitimately if anyone I know he talked about always like well, they loved it Max loves and is about and vice versa. But like I think my Michael loves them the most because he's always trying to actually step up in a moment where they eat is always trying to impress them even with Michael he gets into a really good school or something and Isabel's just not impressed Right Alright. Uhm. I don't know if she wasn't impressed. But she just despises the thought of any of them leaving sure and leaving her behind but she treats it even when you see the prom photo her hands on Michael. I'm on a tan on Max not on Michael right? He's like the black chief of the crew. Yeah Michaels. Always The Outsider even when they're together. Not that they don't love him, but they always give him the one step behind. I want to get to the root of that. He's the middle child of the family. You know, I saw that question in my mind well because he was adopted by another parent which why was it he adopted it with them both. I mean there were just a lot of things that happen and going on and we're finding a lot more about Michael and especially his love interest with Alex. So let's talk about that Michael and Alex we see the beginning of their relationship. That was interesting a hot and steamy from the start but wasn't from the start because I'm not from the first interaction. It was like you could tell there was some tension and Alex is this like like emo kid with the Airing in is the nose ring and the whole thing the very different than the Alex we see now who's followed his Father's Footsteps, right? Alex was catering to Michael that I believe that that was a number one appeal that Michael saw to Alex someone who is holistically caring for him as we said we've seen Michael care for everyone else. Him feeling rejected by his parents having Alex step in and even at one point said why can't I do something nice just to be nice he and gave him the guitar gave him a place to stay in the shed. So you can have to be in the truck. He really felt catered to and as we learned that was his first experience with a man and his catering was enough to win his love over. It was easy to do that, but I understand it because that's the first time we even see on the show someone doing something from Michael without him doing it. First for them even his closest friends and Max and Isabel here. We see Alex actually showing something without getting anything in return. Well, I like the I like the concept that Alex and Michael when they're together and they actually going through with it. Michael has a conversation with Max and then realized makes that self-actualization where he's telling Max you should go for it and then really is telling himself then he goes to where Alex is working at the movie theater and the alien museum movie theater thing. And goes let's let's talk in private. We knew what that meant. Yeah, they go back seeing their movies. That's what I meant. They're waiting in line and no one's there to sell a ticket it meant that they went back and they shipped and when they did they it was the first time and then Alex says have you ever done this before and Michael's like? Yeah, I've done this but not with a guy and not with someone. I actually like yeah, it was like a strong seen. It was very passionate very intimate. It was cool until Dad shows up. Up sheesh. That was harsh. Yeah, and then once again when Dad shows up again, you see Michael running in the face of harm and yeah it for Alex. Yeah, that's a great point. He's gonna jump he is and throughout all these like love relationships. We see and I always believed in the shipping of Alex and Michael we see that Michael has fought harder for his love interest more than anyone else out there. He's putting his body on the line literally. Her dad's. Yeah, because the dad took the hammer. What did you guys think about that? That was picked up the hammer. I'm just got scared Michael steps up and then like from what we can tell he bashes and Alex was going to get hammered. No pun intended. And this is trapped in this in this may be going too deep. I caught on to something when Michael gives the Jesus reference when they perform the exorcism. Well the story of Jesus he had the power to save himself and didn't and in that moment where the father was attacking Alex. We knew that Michael could have Just thrown in but it was almost like he wanted to be the sacrificial the sacrifice and he took the paintings and that's what that's what surprised me a lot. I was expecting him to use his super power then and he didn't he literally took the pain for it was a reaction to I think you can even have a time to think about it as far as we know because they did cut but that's a very interesting thing. It'd be interesting to know if he did use his power or not if you use it or not, and that's but then again, I think that the master sergeant means would have picked up on that and then went after them. Yeah, that would have been exposed right there. So are we shipping Alex and Michael still? Yeah even more so now I'm definitely I'm Michael fan. My collects. Michael really has my grown on all of us. I think in the last couple weeks. He was kind of like the Forgotten guy no one cared about because he didn't have that many redeeming qualities initially first couple episodes and now he's got a ton of them. Yeah, and they're they're creating this backstory that makes him endearing hmm. I no longer see him is this villain? Alien? I see ya uncle is a superhero. He's a good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. Let's talk Max and Liz because that was the other love story. That was working simultaneously while we were we were getting a lot of Michael and Alex. We got a lot of Max and Liz and we saw these parallels. We saw from the start of the end of Kyle Liz with the prom till let's hang out and go on an adventure instead of do our do our homework. Hmm Adventure turns out to just be drinking beer and hanging out and attempting to kiss I guess. Or getting close to your famous not forget teaching teaching salsa. I've seen the friend zone happen before but this is the first time on any show and in life. I've seen someone get put on hold. Oh gave him the hold button and I was like, whoa, this is forever who knew the whole hood and then I'm thinking so with that hold being done. We see that Max said earlier episodes I waited for you. Has he been waiting? Is that the moment where the hold button was pressed? As well. I remember another flashback on two episodes ago three episodes ago where Max as an eighth grader was also in love with was yes, and it's not like he's been in love with her. He's been his entire adopted life with these this family and did he did he just sit back the whole time and watch Kyle take over. That's right. He didn't have the guts until this senior year which actually happens a lot even in high school. Let's be very honest when it comes to seeing you here and you realize That there's a sense of urgency and you have the least to lose because you're going to go on summer vacation and go off to your respective colleges. A lot of people tell people their feelings in and create that that moment that should be on you know an episode Saved by the Bell. So when I saw Toronto and Jim react to this line that Lou says about you know girls shouldn't change your plans for a guy. Yeah, but then Max even says I'm going to change my plans. I was expecting her to remove the hold button, but she said, She wanted to wait till they got to the Grand Canyon for the Empire State Building. Yeah, and if Rosa hadn't died Max would have went along with that road trip and things would have went very different. All right, I didn't factor that. Yeah, because he just gets up and leaves conforming to her. This girl's not giving him enough for him to be chasing her going on her trips and doing all these things for I've been saying that since day one, he's just literally begging himself to be that's following only if you think emotions must be reciprocated see the Concept is if you really like someone you like them despite In Spite and others by scraping Wes, you're not creepy waves becomes creepy when you start becoming when you impress it on them, and that's when it's creepy. However to be a fan of someone to actually have an emotion. You can't control emotions. It's not a logical response team was a groupie at this point Lodge. You said let's group you sure I think yeah Jim, that's the best kind of relationships though is when you're a groupie for each other you are the Biggest fan and supporter of the other person but to be agreed but I don't think she's feeling better. She believes in him and there's a lot of emotion going with her, but she's the more logical of the tube. Is it just me or did you notice the pacing shift after he couldn't salsa not that was a turn that's asking a lot. Okay, it's not that I didn't like Max more. I didn't like Max and this role when it came to Liz because he wasn't confident. He wasn't sure he wasn't this grown up Max that we've come to see he becomes he were verts to this High School Max every time he's around Liz and now we're seeing the actual beginnings of it and I lost sympathy while gaining empathy for his character empathy. But did you also see a sense of sincerity the question that's been lingering a lot of the shows does Max really love Liz and if if this doesn't prove that he was sincere. Although the whole Rosa thing happened this episode led me to believe that Max was indeed sincere about his feelings to Lizzy told me that reassure him charge about it. What if he has a major crush a childhood crush and it's cuz he can get her it makes him pursue her more and develop more the chase of not getting anything. Is that what we think that's happening here? I think so. I think there's a lot of that. I don't know if it's a Chase because how much egos involved when she went. If you're willing to wait, are you chasing if you're willing to wait that long of a spin he hasn't given him any indication once you if she gave him an indication of she like basically said it couldn't, you know confirm her feelings for him and all that. Maybe that would have altered or shift. It may be his Chase for her wouldn't be as persistent and desperate stuff. Is anyone in the chat saying anything different we need to know know the last question was can you ask the pan from Billie Jean girl 24. Can you ask the panel if they think that Isabella has? As a mental disorder like dude, we're definitely going to get the balance and that was a strong. That's our next topic for sure for sure. But we want to hear from each and every one of you especially in the comments below do we think that Max is in love with Liz or in love with the chase one more from Billie Jean girl 24 Max deserves better. Liz is making to Liz is making it too difficult. She won't even tell him how sheesh stop if a guy chased you for like 20 years and you gave him Think would it be creepy after a while? Yes. There you go. Point proven. Is it creepy or is it hey at least he respected my space and it might become endearing that he's held on for swag depends who it is. Obviously. It depends on if he's good-looking. You're not this is two stories. Let's take scenario a scenario a the girl goes to her locker finds a note and some flowers from a boy. Who's really cute? Oh my god. Do you know what Brandon did he left a flower? He left a note. It said do you like me Check Yes, it only had yes, it was the cutest thing ever. Oh my God, Brandon. So cute. Yeah, let's say we're not attractive right glasses. So Chris Hemsworth Brandon and now we're going with Danny DeVito Brandon. Oh my God, Brandon. Did he left his dying flower in the ugly handwritten note. It's like do you like me? Yes and didn't even leave a box for no because he's A creeper and a stalker. How did he even know where my locker was totally agree, but I don't have a strong counter argument for that. You have to be honest that whenever on both sides when you shoot your shot ya know that you're on the same level like playing field as the other person you have more personality than their looks and yeah, you're on the same level but if you don't have either like please don't try there's a counter-argument. I wanted to think of but I was in Cape. That's right. And let's talk about that because I felt okay, they didn't show anything and we kept waiting for that moment. You were hinting this. I've been hinting this since the beginning of the season and this episode they showed a lot of Isabel Rosa and that Roller coaster do you think let's let's answer Billie. Jean's question. Does Isabel have a mental disorder? She will what I know for sure. I can't assess the mental disorder. I would be prone to think that because of her unawareness of her actions, but I do think that she has some sort of a social unawareness because at one point it seemed like she was laying it too heavy on Rosa and Rosa wasn't comfortable. And even you see roses say this is too much for me. Yeah, that's when she came in like she was about to like devour her from the back like she did like our got like wrestling. Selena but it reminded me of this obsession with the lady who killed to murder. Yeah, that's what it felt. Like it felt like it felt like she was obsessed with Rosa and by unwhole, or maybe yes, he almost like that type of bipolar. I'm obviously none of us are yeah, we don't all right to diagnose anyone and we would never make light of mental issues and disorders because they're thankfully this show is at least hinting at it. Yeah, but there's two things because remember now she's got an in the You sure she's got a husband and she suddenly acting like she loved it at times. You know what she's drinking all those acetones, right? So the press that to maybe she's self-medicating like she's not that injured. So why is she drinking so many right and that's only to heal as we know. Yeah. There's something going on there. We see two different versions and this whole rage that she's talking about it that we're expecting the next episode. There's like an alien side maybe a very coming out like it's a van. Stallion inside of her wouldn't it wouldn't shock me if the female of the species is the most dangerous because that is the case in a majority of species including ours stuff sabratha. Perfect example of gosh, Toronto popped up that that's one Theory my theory is is I believe that it's a conspiracy and Isabel someone tapped into her power and is controlling her mind and I think it's means as in someone. Else is happening in that could be a because there's got to be something more with what the Blackout's right. So let's talk is about and Rosa their relationship roses as confused as we are one one second Isabel's warm the next second. She's cold. They're good friends. And then she's denying her at the diner. She was harsh to like, I'm not taking applications for new friend. Yeah, that sounds like something I would say, so it was bad and just yeah, but what do you think is their first of all are they romantic? Blinked yes. Yes. I definitely think the romantically holding hands, right? Yes, and you saw the body language of Isabel moving towards her in the diner later at night. I did see a parallel between the strictness of Liz in Rose's father and the strictness of Alex's father and I believe that Rosa feared for her identity to be ready to be revealed in her father's restaurant because we saw the father Grill Kyle that was kind of scary tunnel Chapman Mountain. So so I think At Rosa was hiding a lot from the family and that's part of the reason why she was pushing away Isabel out of fear of judgment. There might be a love there like a strong love that we have not seen other shelf and affected Rosa it certainly did and first of all, shout out to Rosa. We finally get to see her for the first time. This isn't like her. Yes made me finally like Rosa now. I am intrigued by her man care about at that point. I said we're talking about like we're just over to storyline but now we get to see her. We can connect with her. We see what she's like we see what she is around these characters and she's got a lot of issues going on but she's got a redeeming qualities, right? She's kind of a victim of her surroundings in a lot of ways people messing around with her like Isabel is with her feelings and emotions and you can see why she might have been taken to this path and there's that mention of her having a man that wants to take her away and clean her up the way she says it she's like, oh, it's not a guy guy Essence. Yeah, get exactly something that not talking about little thing. As were hints at our reference to Valenti. Was it a reference to Valenti or the dealer? We don't know it was interesting but it wasn't a threat to Isabelle and her it's a guy who's also getting clean. So it would be interesting if Kyle's father was on drugs and he was trying to sober up and we just didn't know that we have the little lab downstairs was that for Rosa from the previous app? I mean, that's what we were thinking. We don't know we're getting to find things out and I'm glad we slowly are even though it slowly. It's definitely Shirley and it's way more intriguing now than before. That's all. Because everything's connecting and I do think speaking on the relationship to I think that Isabel's the one writing those love letters. Hmm Rosa all along. I have always shipped that theory so I have to be on board your profit of some snow. I'm just an early. I'm just hoping that period of Isabel Rosa and Isabel and the letters and it's because that's the person we would have least suspected and it's also the person we least suspected in the murder. So let's talk about roses murder because Now we actually got to see at least the second after the murder. So we see we come into the cave and Isabel is holding rosen's like I did it for you. Didn't you do some finishing move like Mortal Kombat where she snapped her neck? That's why I'm sure yeah, definitely finished her up used her powers for sure something something happened. We don't know definitely killed the other two girls and for sure so did rows of find out Isabel and figure out there Isabel's an alien because we member izybelle. She couldn't keep a secret. She was going to tell something like that different dearie. I my first story was that she found out she was cheating on Isabelle found out she was cheating on her like Rosa was fat Isabelle was cheating on Isabelle. Yeah, and that was her reaction. That was my initial reaction is Dad or whoever. Yeah, someone not scared of you with another girl. Maybe you can trust you girls that were there. I think Kyle's dad was a good guy trying to help by helping her the tubules you girls Rosa to deal drugs and then Rosa one at their validation. Ation, and approval Isabelle got back at them for writing go back to Mexico on the car because remember she's like I thought they were my friends and and that's why that whole this is a lot. You're a lot happens so much happens close Isabel rows of finds out the Isabel's an alien is like what are you and she's like, she's like, I'm gonna oh my God, I gotta tell her she said something like I did this for us I did this for you. So here's so here's what I think happened now. Isabelle kills of friends who are hating on her. Is that go back to Mexico and Rosa goes? Oh my God, I have to report this and then she goes I did this for you and then kills her so she doesn't blow their cover. But I mean, there's just a lot of that's a lot if you love someone the way apparently Isabel and Rosa love each other would she kill her over that like, I don't know if that was the initial what I'll tell you something is very real and it might be funny just because it's so tragic is the concept of the person who's most likely to murder. You is a person, you know and or are in a relationship. I've heard that by far not even a little the stranger the black guy in the hoodie all those things the the the motives are different or all that stuff is is okay. That's those are just really specifically stereotypes. The truth is look to the guy that you're in bed with and that's the guy who's way more likely to jealousy. Probably not only thing any pain. It's actually extremely tragic. That's why I said haha a tragedy. Isabelle's blackouts, what are they? Her not being able to handle the stress and all that's put on her. I just don't think she can handle any secrets or anything all the pressure that she has to kind of take care of the guys in her mind is just something she can't handle and I think these are the reactions of it and her body's reactions to these things. I still think it's a outside interference I George I agree. Yeah go on. I do see the character flaws in her Obsession Earnest and love for Rosa and I just think that's just her being obsessed with Rosa. But when she blacks out and does these actions nothing in Isabel's character has led me to believe that these are her doings, but she's aware of them. She did say, oh, it's coming. I know it's coming again, but she's aware of the black house when she doesn't remember what happens when it happens happen, but I'll tell you why I agree with George and I'll tell you because when remember when she basically well from what we we think murders Rosa Michael Max get this it's like a screech and they're like, uh, and they figure out where she is and it's like what if there's another alien that's also controlling her or somehow and I think it's another alien. I still think there's another weird alien has to be no, I never believed that now I'm starting to think that there is a fourth alien and was that cry, that's Ron mentioned. Do you think that that was a signal being sent from Isabel saying, Me here's my location. I mean it was sometimes we're honest since each other. They've done that before. Yeah, they've done it before and here. Let's get into the group of the cover-up. What did you guys think about that is the cover up with Max setting the car on fire and then Michael using know Michael using his powers to lift the girls like we have to cover this up lifting them putting them in the car driving the car with his mind with his telekinetic ability and then Max setting it on fire. I think especially with Liz showing the picture. This is what you did. To my sister. Yeah, this is what you did and you covered it up and you made us the target for 10 years. She had a times she had such a strong point him. So pushover Max is a little more gangster than we give them credit for he set that car on fire. He did set the car on fire with his energy. Yeah back then it's the only thing that's like or complicit in this. That's harsh. We think that it's right that Liz's like I never want to see you Yaks Heavens no question. Yeah, she go back and she doesn't care about her enough. She doesn't love him enough as we've been saying all on for her to forgive him after now. She knows this. I'm not is that I gotta defend my boy back scared. I'm not as mad about him setting the car on fire because she was already dead. No, no, no, he's already dead. That's that's accessory after the fact. I'm uh, yeah, they could have maybe brought her back to life. They did he have no. No, he did tracks try these he goes. I'm not strong enough. Yeah. That maybe we could reconnect to what was mentioned earlier. Maybe that signal that was sent out that interference maybe in Isabel made them all week weaker. It shook him up. But but Max where I feel he went wrong where I will even admit that is to let her sisters Legacy get tarnished to let her family experience hate crimes and their whole reputation be ruining the town and to know that this and happened and to not try and do something if you really love Liz that's where I I kind of fell off a little and have enough incentive to I'll defend him for once. Yeah, why because Liz was gone. So why wouldn't he protect his people closest to him Isabel Michael and and take the heat off of them if Liz is not even in town. So in that case he didn't have enough incentive to I'm support that I want to say something that's real because you said his mistake was not what you say like like letting the biggest well, maybe the outcome of his undoing Is that he let the reputation of the family and tarnish, right? Yeah. Okay George, you know what he should have done ever tell this but listen, he should have just not for me thank stuck to the drunk driving idea for story and let that go because this is what this is that X Factor. You don't know this is a ruin your life ruining but there is no statute of limitations on murder buddy, but that goes back to yeah, he may not be confident enough to share the truth. But at the end of the day he is sincere. How does she forgive me for this how Does she forget there's no way I can see I got Jojo. You who you are special segment. Let's pick a scene or a character in the show that relates personally to you George. This is embarrassing. So you can buy be able to tell by my necklace, but when I was in high school, there was this trend about chokers and I always wanted to wear one a choker and I got it. I got to give props to Alex. That's finally did he wear? Yeah choker. I'm glad you like your hot dogs are delicious. I don't mind it was a handcuff choker and I was like that takes confidence. Alex strikes me is like a very confident person and the fact that he wore that knowing that he was being scrutinized. I wish I had enough confidence to go back in high school. And we're that choker that I wanted to we're glad you did it. Yeah, I actually read this. I actually had a Max moment. Okay, suddenly and I couldn't close the deal and even kissed a girl and it was setting up for that. Okay, I actually did not come through in a moment. So that was relatable I guess so I appreciate that. What I who you Tehran I'm gonna go with the moment. Alex and Michael were in the bout to get passionate and then Michael spits so much game. Anyway, yeah done this before but you know not with anyone I've ever liked like he's big game at that moment and I was like get it like that such that are on things like you you were gonna close the deal but he spit game just to make it extra now do I believe him maybe but the game the game is real. Yeah. That's how she knows he's in for an Steps abroad drop the predictions. Mmm your AfterBuzz TV Jim what's happening next week. I think one in the future one of the people on the show that one of our main characters is an alien that we don't know about so it could be either either Kyle either Alex. Someone's an alien here, maybe even Liz or Rossa. I don't know about any of them, but maybe someone we know is an alien. I like that a lot. If someone's an alien Mains the alien, he's an evil. Alien. He's the one controlling Isabel's mind which causes. To kill but now Isabelle thing set it's not someone controlling her. She thinks she's a problem and the episode she says, what are we murderers? Alright, then I think that Isabel's can go on a killing spree interesting I said is about did something during the blackout that we haven't seen yet and it's going to be something really big bad and extremely ugly. I do think there's another alien possibly someone we've already met but no one we know we'll find out as we get right back into Roswell New Mexico. This is episode 6 season 1 where can people find you George if you want to be found find me at mr. George Khoury on the gram Terron spell my last name KHOU RI Jim find me on all social media added the Jim Alexander a Ellie X. Whatever Ender is the thing for me and I am Toronto all across the board. That's I am th rhan and on a slew of other AfterBuzz after shows as I host and panel everything. That's good. See you guys next week. 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Tehran Von Ghasri, Jim Alexander, and George Khouri discuss Roswell New Mexico Season 1 Ep 6 “Smells Like Teen Spirit”. Thoughts on the flashbacks, more insight on Rosa’s murder, and Isobel’s blackouts. Also talk Michael & Alex, Max & Liz, and possibly even Isobel & Rosa relationships. Liz never wants to talk to Max again and much more on this weeks Roswell New Mexico Aftershow on Afterbuzz. Stay tuned. ROSWELL'S BACK!!!! We're so excited to have our favorite show back, so join the hosts each week break it down! From the past to the present, we'll bring insight and more to each episode. Join us for character discussions, plot breakdowns, and insider news and gossip! Subscribe and Comment to stay up to date on all things Roswell New Mexico! After a decade away from home, Liz Ortecho returns to her native Roswell to care for her ailing father. When she arrives, she reconnects with her high school crush Max Evans, who is now a police officer. Their chemistry is electric, but Liz soon learns something shocking: Max and his siblings are aliens who have kept their abilities secret their entire lives. As they grow closer, Liz struggles to keep the truth from her best friend Maria, and her high school ex, Dr. Kyle Valenti, but concealing the siblings' true identities is more important than ever, as a long-standing government conspiracy and the politics of fear and hatred threaten their lives.

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So if you don't know Chris McMillan is like Jennifer's number one hair guy The Man Behind The Rachel. Yes, he's been doing her hair for years and as we've talked about with Jennifer she keeps her close her crew pretty close-knit and she sticks with people for a while. She doesn't interchange people a lot. So he wrote this caption. He says congrats Jennifer Aniston on the morning show. This was such an honor to be a part of the hair is Jen's natural curl in waves. I didn't realize she had a natural waves. Yeah that they look amazing, which is great. Yeah, like why she should wear more often agree. Naturally. It says I dried natural and touched up minimally with blow drying at the roots for direction and then touching up random pieces with a wave iron. He used both the Dyson hair dryer and ghd flat iron probably are curling iron and then he said products layered on drunk elephant detangling spray and then like several other. Ducks and of course people in the comments are like yeah, what it what do you mean to tangling spray? Drunk? Elephant doesn't do hair. Well sounds like they're getting into hair product. I think it's genius. I think you're smart. And I think honestly it was a brilliant way to kind of disclose that there's a new product coming out. I mean the fact that they got involved with him and then sent him the product and he used it on Jennifer Aniston. That's a win-win that will get PR win. So badly, I'm curious. What does this mean does this mean? Launching with just one hair product. I would assume drunk elephants going to have like and do you think it's gonna be more like like are they going to make a shampoo and conditioner? Are they going to do more like styling or treatment products? Like, you know, a leave-in hair mask. That's a great question. I feel like if they are anything like their you know, skincare brand they'll probably just come out with everything, you know, they'll want you to have the whole system make sure your hair looks good from start to finish so that I found that to be very interesting news. Yeah, would you guys Guys use drunk elephant hair care products tell us yeah, let us know because usually I don't like it when my Brands mix and mingle right like I like to it's like I like Separation on my plate. I want separation of my Brands but hey, I'm drunk elephant skin care products. So maybe they learned a lot about hair recently and they're getting into it. Hey, maybe they've always been planning it and they just needed a huge investment to yeah, pursue their hair Dreams. Yeah. They're like there aren't they are from Texas. Yes true. Long hair. Okay, so we have some sort of viral Twitter beauty news that one of our fabulous writers at bustle Che Simmons found Shay's been killing it. She kills it. So a Sephora in Europe used color coded baskets to determine so employees could determine who wanted assistance and who didn't want assistance. Yeah. I mean isn't this kind of Genius? This is so brilliant and truth be told I actually saw this on Facebook. Book the beginning of this year and I reached out to Sephora to be like, can you verify this image? Right is it for real? Like it looks like it's real but you know with the internet you never know. Yes and Sephora's USP our team got back to me and they said that they actually couldn't speak on it because it's not a u.s. Thing. Yeah, so it's in Europe. Yes, and if you guys have wolf will throw the Instagram photo on our Instagram so you guys can see. Yep, but it's basically so it's two stacks of This one is red and above the red baskets. It says I would like to be assisted and then the other baskets are black and it said I would like to shop on my own brilliant because you know what when I go in to Sephora, I don't want anybody bothering me unless I seek them out and say I need help finding something or do you carry this brand in the store? Totally I think but then sometimes you do want assistance if maybe you are trying to find like you're right foundation shade and a certain brand or you know, you're dealing with some sort of skin issue, but then other times Times you're like I know what I want leave me alone. The comments on this are so divided because obviously some people are like every time I go into Sephora, I can't find anybody to help me write and then other people are like, uh, nobody leaves me alone when I'm in Sephora, right? And there's Porsche for employees like they're just they're just doing those jobs trying to make a buck here. Okay. Hey, I want to love helping you. Yeah, so I think this is brilliant. This is something they need to in state in the United States immediately. I think any We're that has like retail employees that would require you to carry a basket around they should just do this totally are doing this. Yeah. Brilliant so smart. All right now it's time for what's on your face? Okay Kirby what's on your face right. Now you guys I am so excited about this. So I'll fit H is a brand it's been around forever. I launched I think 17 18 years ago. This is a beauty by that like you could literally only get if you bought from a British Beauty site or got it when you traveled abroad Rod got it from a family member or friend that traveled abroad. It is a chemical exfoliant in the form of a toner and it helps with the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. It leaves your skin looking more youthful firm plump and energized and that's because it's five percent glycolic acid. Okay, so it is not playing around. I have seen it but obviously was not able to get my hands on it and so they recently came they came to the United States this year and they're sold and Sephora's I had the pleasure. Sure of getting the entire line sent to me recently. Wow, and I have to tell you it I think it's been a combination of a few things. I think glow sweet glow from hum has been a huge godsend for my skin. I think the Kate Somerville exfolia Kate moisturizer that thing when I put it back in my routine and I'm like damn that's just so good. Why do I ever not use this right and then I've been using Alpha H. Now. I want to just say I don't use Alpha H the same. Day that I use exfoliate. Yeah, it's just too much. I call it two masses and I Sarah knows that one day. We were recording an episode and someone commented on my makeup and I was like, thank you but I felt like my makeup was like coming off on my face. It wasn't staying on because I had just exfoliated it to death. Yeah, so don't do that. Oh my gosh, my no, actually I can't remember what I used in conjunction with explicate because I'm currently I'm almost done with the jar, but my nose has been super dry lately. So I must have just like really exploding town too much. Yeah. Yeah, I mean you can go overboard with exfoliation. I think for me I know want to go overboard if my face is just really ready and red. Yeah. So if you ever get to that point you need to cut back on one of your exfoliants, maybe all of them for a few days. Yeah, but I love this stuff. If you know you have pores that are like very visible. If you have acne scarring pigmentation age spots, it will help minimize those that's probably the thing. I've been noticing the most it helps with inflammation and redness to which I appreciate. And so it works in a few ways. It's you know a toner to help balance your skin. It's an exfoliator a serum and a moisturizer all-in-one. I just have nothing but amazing things to say about it. It's $60. So it's definitely an investment but like you guys are paying that much if not more for different, you know Essences and toners and general serums and stuff like that. So I'm just laughing because I feel like we say that but every single thing we have the audit because we're like, well people are going to be like your I mean, we love it when you write us and say, I'm going broke because yeah, I buy all the products you recommend and I love that you guys listen to us but also but if we are talking about it it is because we believe that it actually works and it is an investment. Totally we there are hundreds of products. We don't mention ever period so I'm very happy. It's the alpha H Liquid Gold toner. It's it's awesome guys. Good job out the eight gotta get my hands on that and it's not brand-new like it's been around for decades. So that's why I trust it. Qual Sarah what's on your face? Okay. So today I am wearing the new glossy a pro tip eyeliner. I just got it in the mail yesterday and I you know, I did a little Instagram video. It's on it's on our Instagram. If you haven't seen it. Maybe we'll make like a highlight of like product. You know our did you did you yeah, so we have highlights guys go on our Instagram and you can see like events we've been at stuff. We're trying Sarah's is up. Awesome. Okay. So yeah, so it is their first eyeliner it is. They're saying that it is the kinkiest black eyeliner pigment. I don't know if I agree with that. Ooh interesting. It's not like I think it's black but like you can see on my eyes. It's not like a like we were saying Pat McGrath black or like a Kat Von D black like not like black black black but it is still like it is pretty black and it but it looks almost like a little bit more natural. I was going to say I'm looking at it right now. It looks pretty dark doesn't look pretty but it looks natural but not in like not. Like do you know what I'm talking about? Like like Lady Gaga's new black eyeliner? Yeah, which I love for like even you know, if I want to do a really Glam, you know cat eye but this is more like a it's a glossy a cat eye. I know. Yeah, totally. I wonder if by Inge keas they mean like most fluid. Yes, and maybe like the the actual pain. Yes, it drags more like an ink. Yes, so it does it is almost like a pain like you're right. So what it's super easy. To apply which I love because I am not very good at cat eyes. And the actual tip is really fine and really flexible. So it's similar kind of like to their brow flick. Okay, I was going to ask is I haven't tried yet for all flick. But when I tested it yours earlier on my hand The Strokes that it makes are so fine. It's like a calligraphy pen. Yeah, and it doesn't skip yes, I really like yes. It's like almost like the Urban Decay brow little my favorite. Yeah, it also stays on for 12 hours, which I tested yesterday. I you know, I my eyes are super dry. It's really dry and LA right now, so I've been like putting eye drops every so often and it's still stayed put which I was actually really impressed with I love that. Yeah, I'm going to you know, keep wearing it in and see like if it can last through if it like along with like eyeshadows and other makeup, but so far I approve great Lou and it's made in France. It looks really good. I mean and I agree with you like testing it on my hand. It definitely isn't as opaque. Yes, so if you're really gunning for that deep dark black this probably isn't it for you? Yeah, like you can probably layer it to make it look a little bit more. But then again I'm gonna get yours and yours looks like dark. Yeah, it look like oh, yeah. She says probably a couple like a couple layers of lawyers. Okay? Yeah still looks good. Thanks. And it actually comes off pretty easy to they recommend using their milky oil. I just used my favorite Mary Kay eye makeup remover and we gotta make a makes great products, but you know what they You'd about whole favorite product of the brow. Yes. So my Mary Kay. Okay, can somebody Isabelle Isabelle? Can you please talk to them? They made Diaz merrier, they made a clear brow gel that literally every single makeup artist in the universe use and recommends and recommend it to everyone and it's gone. Yeah, that's silly why God there and their eye makeup remover is one of my favorites. Okay oil free great. My eyelash extensions and it's just great. I saw that my friend Jade of JD weighty 180. She got a product that's like specifically for eyelash extensions. It's like called like lash wash. Oh, I think I have it. It's like a whole kit. Yeah. I was curious if you've ever tried it before because it looks like yeah, I've used some like other brand maybe not that brand other brands have sent me products. I mean, it's Graves. Yeah. I don't know. I just know that that like I just have so many other products that don't have oil in it and still work. Totally. I think it's more about just like how you take your makeup off versus like what your well obviously what you're using if it has oil like don't use it but like just being really gentle around your eyes. I'm going to send you a video that came up on my Instagram TV last night. It was the number one video. I'm like, okay clearly. They want me to see this. It was somebody cleaning. Somebody's eyelash extensions. So gross. It's so gross like they're getting in there and getting shit out. But like They had her at one point like after they finally cleaned it. They were like getting a close-up of the I like and literally looks like a vagina and I was like, this is really weird. Oh my God, that is what slit of the eye open like, it was really weird. I'm that is one thing that like Corey my last girl always always compliments me on so I was like your lashes are always really clean because I obviously like you guys even though like you don't want them to fall out. You need to like brush it out and clean them. This is close to your eyes. And then you're like destroying your your actual eyelash Health. Anyways, we went on a tangent but glossy a pro tip eyeliner highly recommend. I think it's like to 16 bucks. Okay, not bad. Not bad. Come to the glossy a store in La grab it. Okay. We have a very exciting episode today because we have a superstar Beauty founder, but she makes one of my favorite products ever say her name is April Gargiulo. Hi ladies. I'm so happy. To be here April Gargiulo is the founder of Vintners daughter the cult favorite brand beloved by skincare Fanatics from celebs and Beauty editors to clean Beauty devotees and face oil enthusiasts when April became pregnant with her first daughter, she tried to find a skin care product. She could use that was free from chemicals and murky ingredients and she couldn't find any April had spent years working on her family's wine business learning the importance of quality formulation and ingredients sourcing. So using the same practices. She learned on The Vineyards April decided to take a stab at creating her own Beauty solution. The result the active Botanicals serum a Holy Grail skincare product made with whole Botanicals packed with nutrients that could replace your entire skincare routine while delivering dramatic results since then. She's also created the active treatment Essence, which is also garnered a massive fan base. So we are thrilled to have April on the podcast today. Yay. And also April has an amazing personality a great sense of humor and glowing skin. We were just telling her before we went live we are looking at Mike April, you're a walking billboard for the products. You guys are way too high her skin truly looks airbrushed. So like the and she's a mom and she said she got no sleep last night. Yeah. She's like oh but I am wearing mascara. I'm like and Lady let me tell you you look fabulous. It's very sweet of you both a really stunning. So thank you for coming on our show. So happy to be here. Okay, so it's interview time. But of course, it's never like an interview here just girl chat. So let's talk about the active Botanicals serum. What's in it? It how did you make this, you know pride and joy and one of my pride and joy are I feel like it really like it's our child, but it's actually not it's your child is my family and I'm curious. It's an investment a beauty investment. Why are good serums and good oil serums a higher price point do you think so he just threw a lot of questions? Yeah. We did. I know I was like, okay. We're how do I start? How do I unpack this? I'm going to start from how How it came about in the world and then if I forget to come back to that last wish Paul you are mine me. Okay, good great. Okay, so I can't well I don't come from the world of beauty right? I come from Napa Valley from a world that's very focused on quality and craftsmanship and it's a world that I have an incredible amount of respect for I was also somebody who struggled with my skin all my life. I had cystic acne and discoloration and then, you know just the stuff that comes along as you get older and I was like you guys I was a total Beauty. Junkie. I was trying everything and all these, you know, quote unquote luxury products. And I was pregnant with my first daughter and started looking at the ingredients of these products. I was using and which you know, I think is a pretty familiar refrain for first-time moms. Yeah, and I would just shocked to realize that the products were you know, again, these were these supposedly luxury products that were .01% active ingredient the West the rest was filler really low quality filler and was also many times toxic. Yeah, and so coming from where I was coming from Napa Valley where practically every grain of dirt is, you know is looked at for Quality that And feel right to me luxury from where the world I was coming from was this maybe this old world idea of luxury starting with the finest ingredients and honoring those ingredients through very meticulous. Very quality focused formulation practices. And so that's what I wanted to bring to skincare. I wanted to create a skin care company and a skin care product that was built on the same philosophical foundations as fine wine, making of quality and craftsmanship and ultimately performance, and I also did not think that you Needed to have seven eight nine 10 different products when active Botanical serum launched it was at the height of this Korean skincare 25 step craziness, right and for me being a first-time mom. I was like, oh my gosh who has time for that? And so I wanted as much performance as possible and is few of products as possible. So active Botanicals serum came out in 2015, and we waited five years to release active treatment Essence and then you know the way that we make these products very different to serum takes 21 days to Meg Essence takes 35 days to make most skincare in by most probably every skin care that we all other skincare items we have in our vanities is made in 6 or less hours. Wow. Yes. Yes. I love it when you spilled tea like this. Yeah makes me very it's well, it's just it just gives a sense of how completely different Vintners daughter is when I first went to well it took two years to to formulate activity Nicole serum and when I first started going to labs To ask them to make active Botanicals serum. They looked at me and thought I was crazy. They would they and remember I was coming from Napa Valley. So it takes three years to make a bottle of wine. Yeah. So for me, I thought we're going to make the best skincare in the world and it's only going to take three weeks. Yeah, right. I was like, I'm genius. This is this is this is brilliant and they, you know didn't see the vision. Did you have to go to a lot of different like many Labs? Oh, like people just turned you down. Oh, they would tell me I'm crazy. No, then they would say no. No, that's not the way it's done you use this. To use this powder. It's cheaper. It's faster. It's better and you know, it's one of those things that at the time you're really you're down about it, right? It's it feels discouraging and I remember I remember so many points in time where I was I was kind of thinking. Okay. Maybe they do know better. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't have any business in the skincare world. And of course, you know today I think back I'm like, oh, I'm so happy. I never compromised. I'm so happy that I really stuck to my guns, but there were moments like that all the way. I mean even now it seems like this kind of Of smart marketing thing to only have one product but by no means was having just one product easy. No one took us seriously retailers wouldn't pick us up because they didn't know where to put us on a shelf. They would fall in love with active Botanicals serum and then they'd say, oh just call me back when you've got another product and I would say well I might not have another product like that's not a yeah, that's insane to me it like because there's so much that goes into it. It's like okay. Why why don't you see a specific product or a specific brand in store? Oh well. There's only one of them so they don't know where to put it in the store. Like that's insane to me totally because there was no Benchmark. I mean there was nobody that I could look up to and no rain. No one is ever had just one single product for longer than six months. Maybe Sarah tell me if you agree. I think I know your answer on this but I personally appreciate the fact that you launched with one product especially because we get sent so many a new products and be new brands that they have like twenty seven skews. I'm like, how am I? Opposed to incorporate this into my current routine without you know messing up my skin and I feel like it's almost harder for those Brands to like push through the beauty field in a way totally get noticed but I will say like you obviously were the first to do that. Yeah, and now more recently you're starting to see so many independent beauty brands that are just launching one or two, which like to Kirby's point is is the best way to break through in this Supersaturated industry so sorry Ali Caitlin. Never choose that freaking toy Ali found a toy. He hasn't seen in 25 and anyways, and so now all of these people are totally following suit, which is great like and you are the prime like you were the person that they looked up to. Well awesome and I am flattered by that I owe, you know, there's so much about skincare that is driven by marketing and so in these cases, I think again, it's no different. It's just they're driven by a different level of marketing and so for us it was very true. Wasn't driven by marketing. It was it was driven by this idea of like we this is how we believe you service skin the Best Buy fewer but better products and so it you know, it goes back to this idea that we talked about if you've got this you have this drawer, we all have these drawers filled of like 25, you know to $55 products right that you use once or twice. You never see again, but what if you had two products that every time you use them you knew they were going to deliver everything your skin needed to be its most healthiest most balanced its most radiant and you To worry about like I've been using this product in this product do the ingredients complement each other. Is it like going to destabilize the other one? I'm using my ideal ratios of everything. I mean so often were in the bathroom kind of just reacting to our skin total, but the reality is that it's already the damage is already done. Yeah, right like so you're just sort of reacting very whereas if you if you feed your skin. Well every single day just like our bodies right if you feed your body while every single day it's going to be more resilient. It's going to be stronger. It's going to Be healthier. That's what we look at when we when we when we're thinking about our products were thinking about how to feed the skin at a very deep foundational level. It's why we begin with whole plants. It's why we spend 21 days extracting their full spectrum of nutrition. It's like comparing eating giving your body a meal replacement bar, right that's kind of filled with synthetic ingredients versus a beautifully prepared plate of food made from organic ingredients and the height of season. So there are 22 active Botanicals in Or ends meet and serum. There are 22 and Essence. There are 35. How did you come up with those numbers and how you were like, okay. I'm good at 22. I'm good at 30. Well, I mean we didn't get it wasn't it was it was a we finish the formula and then and then we counted okay, it wasn't it wasn't that we were like we need to have 22. Yeah or 35 because the reality if that's what we were hanging our hats on the right someone could change, you know, someone could be you know, 10-second ABS total whatever whatever it is 10 second apps of your skincare routine, you know. No, right. So it was it was it was just happened to be that those were back on hoop of Botanicals is what service the skin the best. I'm curious. Is there a specific Botanical that is your favorite. Oh, that's a good question. You know, it's really that that we call it our 21 day phyto radiance and fusion. It's really when you begin with these whole plants. I think there are three plants that are in both serum and Essence and those are alfalfa dandelion and metal. They are plants that in ancient times the the three of them together. They were called the food. Life because they actually fed you everything you needed. And so that's that's where we start with both with both Essence and serum. And so maybe if I had to pick that would be it but it's really the process. It's taking them through that very gentle temperature controlled process to extract all of their nutrition. That's awesome. So obviously, you know, this product really put you on the map. It's a master huge following I'm talking about the active Botanicals serum course, it's reached cult status. When did you realize that you had like a hit successful product in your hands? Like when we were like, oh, that's right. I mean, I think there's like, you know moments right but it's fun to be at a dinner party and tell somebody and they ask you sort of what do you do and their eyes light up and they're like, oh my gosh, it's changed my life. It's changed my skin. I mean there's moments when I think you know, my family has a winery in Napa Valley and I think there's moments when my parents realized that it was an actual business when people were coming to the winery for Vintners daughter not for you know, not for Gargiulo Vineyards the wine so Moments along the way. Yeah, and when I first had the chance to hang out with you and talk to you you mentioned, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow was a big fan early on so certainly I mean Gwyneth Paltrow mentioning us Tracee Ellis Ross mentioning us brene. Brown mentioning us Renee, right? I oh, I mean wow, are you kidding? I really touch I know I almost I almost passed out about her. No, I've never met her but I hope I should handle liver the next year even as we can with like some Topo Chico. Can we just sit here? And you can't get better people to say they love your product. I mean, yeah, and these people have been going to trace those Place probably brene Brown to have tried everything. Yeah. You know Tracy and you're not paying them to talk about this, you know know we've grown what I always say is girlfriend to girlfriend G2G. Like we've never paid for any marketing whatsoever. And so it's all based off the strength of our product and the experience that people are having with their product and they're telling their friends and they're telling their mothers and they're telling their sisters and their co-workers. They're getting stopped on the street to ask. What are you using on your skin? And you know, certainly we've been really lucky through have everyone's got a platform through social media and Instagram especially mmm. So our next question you actually kind of Hit the answer there are so many different facial oils out there, especially now after after you came out. Yes. No, there's facial oils before I mean, there's a little facial oil since ancient times. Well, yes, but like I know what you're saying, like, I feel like people try to capitalize off of the success absolutely of it. Right? But, you know, I'm curious there are so many facial oils on the market, you know, they've been around forever. I'm curious if somebody is shopping for a Oil is there are there any red flags may be on the package or on the label ingredient-wise that they should kind of be thinking twice about their there isn't it's really hard. Okay. I mean I always say that's why you really need to have a retailer that you trust or a brand that you really trust because quality matters you can have mean I always take the example of a tomato you can have a tomato that is on a you know, Subway sandwich and you can have a tomato that you buy at the is Market in the height of season, right and they're both spelled the same on the back of a label or on the back of an ingredient list, right? And so but you don't have any idea about the qualitative differences between the two. Okay. I was curious like that's a really good point because I feel like I always am the one that goes and picks up our product and turns it around immediately to see what's in it and see like what the first ingredient is and I was curious if there was something like with facial oil specifically like if you notice that this the first ingredient is mostly this, it's probably not that well well well and If they're following kind of the the rules of how you are supposed to label your ingredients and and United States is a little bit of a wild wild west. But if there is if there if you're like we're sold in Europe, so we are we're held that kind of much higher standards. There are still certain certain aspects of the way that we formulate our product that don't appear on an ingredient label like they won't let me write whole Alfalfa whole right? They won't and so high because they no one does it it so they don't have a system of nomenclature. I'm sorry. This is ridiculous. Like they don't even have a strategy for keeping everybody accountable in the first place. So why in God's name won't they just let you write what's actually in the product that is mind-blowing code. Right? But if you can write it on the website and you can read about it. I can write it in sort of the descriptive area of the package that ingredients but the ingredient label it just says, I think they've actually make us right out falfa extract on it, which is not what it is. It's like actually whole Alfalfa plant sits whole collection. Flowers, it's hot it's whole dandelion leaves, but it's so great. It's a literate but they just don't have a system of nomenclature for that because they haven't ever had to my God. I want to just like restructure the well complete. Well, no, it's not the FDA. That's Europe to oh, you're upset Europe. Yeah, that's you're up to and it's yeah, so it's as a consumer. I think I just think it's really really hard. And so you really have to dig you have to like I said, you have to find retailer that you really trust or a brand that you really really trust. Is there a retailer that you prefer trust when it It comes to picking up other products. So we have about a hundred and ten retailers around the around the world. So I won't play favorites here. But yeah, there are absolutely I mean, I think we're in an incredible era of clean and green and red and and ethical Beauty and it's and it's becoming more transparent every day. So I think that there are a lot of different ways that people like to use your product but can we talk about like the correct way to apply the And the active Botanical serum. Yes. Okay. So on to clean dry skin, you will apply about a quarter size amount which is about a third of the dropper of essence into the palm of your hand. You will quickly rub your hands together and Pat and press press and Pat into your face. You can put it under your eyes Essence is genius and your eyes because where do you want firming and hydration and brightening the most? Yes under your eyes. How do you like to how do you plan on? Okay, you kind of I just kind of tap it like a finger out. But yeah, okay finger. I don't ever put it on a cotton pad or anything because it think it just wastes totally I know what goes into every drop of that and and wasting any on a cotton cotton patches like hurts my heart. Yeah, and so while then while your skin is still damp you apply five to six jobs of active Botanicals serum in the palm of your hand rub your hands together and again push and press into your face under your eyes your neck and your chest. Okay? Okay. I love that. I'm going to sort of like 30 or so seconds. I'm going to start using the essence of My eyes, I yeah, I thought maybe like well the be the really so the here's the thing to do that's really fun. As you put a couple jobs just on the back of your hand, huh? And when some two drops of essence on the back of your hand kind of rub it in and immediately you feel kind of like this cool sensation. And that's the fermentation component to same thing that makes it smell kind of Tangy like kombucha which by the way, I love this smell. I love the smell too. It's to me it's I know what I know what it is signifying right? I know the process by which we get there. Yep, and it's very hard. It's very difficult. It took us two and a half years to develop this product. And I also know how incredible it is for your skin. So for me, I smell it. I just think this is I enjoy a good. Yeah, it's really not. I mean, I'm just no it's not smelling smelling it again just to refresh but it's really not like super pungent on if it goes away in a minute. Yeah. I don't know and it's and by the way, it's so good for your skin. So you put a couple drops in the back of your hand. It feels cool. That's that fermentation component driving the actives the hydration. Your skin and then when it dries a hydration Matrix as formed and what that hydration Matrix is doing is it's maintaining the hydration in your skin its with humectants. It's drawing additional hydration from the air and then so what it feels like after it dries is soft kind of cushiony, but then when you compare it to your other hand, it's like it's like this kind of illuminated blurred kind of redness and discoloration goes away. It's extraordinary what it does when you can put it like yeah side by side who I love we should do that on Instagram totally. Love to see that I feel like I want to put it on my hands too. I want to put it like everywhere. I know I mean truly I everyone always asks, what's the next product and I always think like if I could figure out how to put Essence in, you know, without it costing five thousand dollars and that's that's what I would like to do. So some people who maybe want to use the serum with other products they're using let's say because it's of course winter strike. However, you would put moisturizer on at the end. Yes. Okay so view because of that. It's so active you. That to be as close to your skin as possible. Exactly. Okay, and it's because it's unlike other facial oils. It's a very successfully unlike face other facial oils. It is was formulated to have a very small particle size which means that it penetrates the skin faster. It also has was formulated to have naturally occurring compounds that temporarily break up the surface tension of your skin that also allow it to dive deeper into the Skin So you want you don't want to compound it with anything. You don't want to mix it with anything you want Essence to have its distinct stepped. You went serum to have It stinked step great and then waster eyes. Are they also both work really? Well with retinol's to whoo. Yeah, so you would put the retinol at the end at the end. Awesome. Okay, loving all these tips. Okay. So you have a you have two products. How do you cite doubled in size? Yeah, exactly like talk to us about how you sustain your company with just two products because like we said, like people are like, why don't you have 58 skus and I'm sure also your They're like April. Can you make a lip balm April? Can you make a like a cream or not every morning, you know, we have incredible customers and they have incredible ideas. And yeah, well they want we asked people on Instagram the other day and it was body as SPF cleanser and a cream wait, I would tops die for body and for an SPF. Yeah, that would be amazing. It was worth that was sort of what everybody wanted. So that was interesting, you know again for it looked like a cleanser I know right? Go for it. Somebody wanted one person wrote. I wouldn't kick a cleanser out of bed. Yeah, same thing with let's put that on a shirt. Yeah, but it is you know for us is it's an interesting challenge right to be in a world that is driven by new new new new new right? It's all driven by new your the whatever the old quote is. You're only as good as your last your last hit totally right? And so we're really bucking that and really going our own way. And for us if it you know, if it wears a Vintners daughter label, it has to be game-changing. It has to be category to finding it has to offer transformational results to our customers and that's a really high bar and it's a high standard that we are committed to live up to so and can we talk a little bit about why you haven't taken on any investors for that exact reason. I mean if we had investors we would be measured out like the standards would be measured against would be measured against Revenue total versus game-changing. Duct totally right? It's like we're skin over revenue and that doesn't mean that we don't need to be a profitable company we do because I want to pay our employees. Well, I want to have great benefits. I want to like continue to grow our charity contributions. But at the same time, you know, I we want to create I want to create a Heritage skincare company a company that like you use your mother uses your daughter's use that because we're creating products that are Timeless that always service the skin. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about that? Are charitable portion sure we give from day one and you know gratefully it has grown every year from day one. We have always given two percent of top-line Revenue to Charities benefiting women and children. Wow, that's really really so we've done some really incredible things. We've built several homes. We've built Wells we're participating with every mother counts for giving Tuesday and we're going to match up to $25,000. When is this December 3rd? I think and you know, we were working with Incredible charities. And and doing incredible work and we get to you know do luckily get to do more every year. That's fabulous April. We love that. I have to ask this it's not on the list yet. No, but it's going to be Sophie's Choice. Which one would you rather? I knew that's what you were going to ask who you know, I know you got to pick one girl. I don't I I'm I don't know. Can I pick? Well II mean I just can't I literally can't Without the active Botanical serum when my skin starts to freak out and I like haven't used it in like a couple weeks or something. I just put this on and I go to sleep and I wake up and my skin is cleared. I don't know. I mean I know, you know, see what's going on. But like I'm always like how how does this work? And I'm relieving that it actually delivers. Yes. It's gonna do. Yes. That's the relief right? Well, the reason why we complement each other is because I would pick the essence. Yeah. The absence is my go-to. It's the one so one thing I think is consistent in my routine every single morning. So there's nothing I can get. I mean you guys were by the way you are my yin and yang right now like both of you are on my like yeah on my shoulders because I'm sitting here are you know, I would I you know, I every time I'll pick the essence and I'll be like, oh no, but serum and that, you know, I can't use like choosing we trained her children. I literally can't yeah totally fair, but Essence I think is that product that I never knew I needed and now I cannot. Without it the time you just don't understand what a driver performance deep deep hydration is you always think I think about where always taught to think about moisture I think and informing that and kind of creating that exclusive layer over the skin which is what serum does and it does it beautifully and it's an important part but if there's nothing if there's no hydration to hold in yeah, then it can't really even do as much as it is as it is it could do right? And so hydration is just this huge huge driver of skin Health that I don't think that I I consider it as fully even, you know, five years ago. Yeah, I love that you brought that up because I think a lot of people use hydration and moisture. I like moisturization interchangeably and not the same is different and when you're truly hydrated you notice the difference. Yeah, like it's like a whole different it absolutely different ball game. Yeah, so I'm glad because Hydra so hydration just simply hydration is water and moisture is oil right and creams or an Emulsion of the to hmm and I believe that when you split them apart and have a hydration status. And have a moisture stab you actually can have deeper and more powerful performance from each step so mean, I love that. You're just school and everybody over here telling everybody what's also like it's two products and it couldn't get easier than that. Like, why are yep? Yeah, if you're looking for a very, you know, simple yet powerful. Yes, if you're a mom if you're any of us Let's Travel. Yeah. Amen. Okay, so obviously it took you what five years to follow up with a with an essence. What can we expect from owner's daughter in the future? How long are we going to have to wait for something? I am not actively working on anything right now. That doesn't mean we won't ever have another product. Like I said, I mean I would I would love to figure out body. I would love to figure out a cleanser. Like how do you make a game-changing cleanser? That's a that's a challenge. That's so hard. Right? I know I've been actually seeing a lot of new cleansers coming out which I think is it's so surprising to me, you know, because I feel like people Don't want to invest in cleansers are like well, I'm just trying to wash my face like I think body people feel the same way about body that there were certain a cat and for me, I think oh my gosh, and maybe it's because I'm getting older but I want I want to treat my body the same way. I do my face saying we were talking about this in the last episode how much we love necessaire and we also I love the Augustine has spotted a body cream that just launched because I feel like I'm taking my face regimen like down to the areas that exactly been neglected especially in the like if you are like investing in your face, like shouldn't you be investing in the rest of your body as well? I every every esthetician dermatologist skin care expert I've ever spoken to is like bring it down to your nipples like for your face starts at your nipples. Understanding. I don't really like I don't really look about I don't look what else is in the market I think about what I what I want and what would benefit me really not to sound selfish. But no, I don't I want to just follow the the same kind of truth and the same motivations that created these other two products and create products that again like just offer extraordinarily high performance to our customers, which is just so refreshing and like I just love it so So much regrets like Kirby said we just get pitched and sent so many products so many, you know, and everyone's trying to just cash in on this like, you know, what is it 500 billion dollar industry and it's like why and Kirby always says it's like if anyone ever asks for advice, we're just like just don't do it. Don't don't launch another, you know, Beauty Brands as a consultant, you know, I get asked all the time and I'm like just don't do it. Like literally unless you think you're servicing an area. That doesn't yeah that there's actually there's a little voice Shin behind it. But yeah, I just I have so much respect for what you do and you know just putting out like the best products and thank you for changing my skin every so sweet. Thank you for I mean, I'm so happy to get to be here as soon as I found out that you guys were doing this. I was all I wanted to do was like, oh my gosh, I want to go do that hang out with those two and honestly like when you were talking earlier about just like on a personal level going and talking to labs. And then being like well, that's not how it's done. Like you have to do it this way or this way. It's really inspiring to hear you who is successful and has a brand that people love and care about say but I didn't want to do it like that. I didn't want to do it the way everybody else was doing it. So I feel like there's just great life advice. If you're really passionate about something and you and you feel like it should be done a certain way. Don't go with the status quo. Like there's a reason why you're supposed to bring me out don't compromise your vision to fit into somebody else's idea of who you should be. But I think that that also takes an incredible amount of discipline totally, correct? Okay, April where can our listeners find you and Vintners daughter Vintners daughter.com. We have incredible stockists around the world. Like I said and right now I think we'll always at dinners daughter com.com if you order serum then we include an Essence sample and vice versa. Oh cool. Thank you learn that. You can't live without both. Exactly. Alright guys. Thank you so much for listening. Owing to this episode. 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We will be talking about surviving R.Kelly for season 2 episodes two and three will be talking about how he uses young girls to bait more young girls how he uses nda's to silences victims and how he can smell a Wounded Woman a mile away so much drama when we return I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN activity top now. Hey guys. Oh my gosh. We are actually on season two surviving are Kelly and we have so much to cover because we are actually covering episodes two and three today and I am your host. My name is Angela Taylor and I have this awesome entertainment writer here next to me. Mr. Kenneth Ware. How you doing Kenneth? I'm doing well could be better, you know the topic that were discussing. But yeah glad to be here with you to talk about it, too. Sure that these victims are heard. Yes. Absolutely. So what were your overall thoughts about episodes two and three overall? It just felt like Groundhog Day. Yeah, we're rehashing the same things the stories that have been told for number decades like these are well-documented allegations and just so many nda's and just so many things that have happening and it just kind of it's very exhausting. However, when I hear those women speak, it's very empowering to know that they're there ready to speak their mind and that we just have to listen to them. So it's a lot of mixed emotions with this documentary. I feel the same way my overall thoughts were it's like finally like we're actually getting a voice and they're not afraid to use their voice and one of them said that we've been talking the whole All time we're just finally getting a frequency like the world is opening up to hear us. And so I felt like this is the platform sad to say, you know, it's at the expense of so many different women and how they're handling with this type of trauma like for the rest of their lives. They're going to be known as our Kelly victims So at their expense, but it's still they get to stand on a platform and help out other women who are in the same position. Maybe with a celebrity maybe with a family member, but at least they know that they're not alone and that's what's important. Yes. Definitely. And I mean we have just so many juicy things to talk about from the nda's just the way that he was baiting young girls. I mean, there's just so many layers to this story. We've been between his music and everything is just so many different things that we have to you know, touch base. So let's jump right into it. You kicked it off for us. Let's talk about how he used young women to bait other young women that opens up with his first victim Tiffany a Hawkins. Tell me what you thought about her testimony and how she gave great detail of how she used. Well, first of all, she got her friends from school, which were also 14 and 15 at the time to come to our Kelly's apartment. And she ended up experiencing something on an adult level where she's actually sending young young girls to have sex with our Kelly and she was like well as long as it's not me and then it ended up being her and then she turns into his sex slave. How did that like resonate with you on watching a young like to me when I was watching her. She was a child. Yeah. She was a grown woman, but she was speaking from The Voice. The perspective of a child. How did that make you feel? I was very disgusted. Yeah, I'm a big brother. I have I respect women. I respect black women very highly. So to hear that somebody that I looked up to as an artist as a creative kind of inspiration for me to know that he did all of these devious things and to hear the way that he I mean he called himself the Pied Piper and like they said what does that mean? Exactly? I was wonder what that meant. What is Piper so there's a old like Fable tell that this guy the Pied Piper he would play like the flute and the children would follow. So yeah, so we'll Circle for me just now full circle and while we're all, you know, Kronk off the Pied Piper in his music, you know, but that I mean, it's like over the it's our Kelly has been telling us what he's been doing and we're just so just so in love with the music that we just can't really see straight. But with what she was saying about how she was bringing her friends. It just makes me think about when you're going out with someone. It's like, oh you got some friends or you guys are friends. And I mean the fact that he was able to get her to get her other friends and they were 14 and 15 and she didn't even really realized what she was doing exactly till she realized what he was doing. Yes, because she was proud of her. Yes, because She was like her whole Focus From the documentary was she wanted to be a singer. She wanted to be a star. She wanted to be like Whitney Houston. She said the first time she sung for him. He felt like share and what she was like did I did I do good good. I was it. Okay invalidation. Yeah, that's why she was able to get so many people to kind of chime in because there was this promise of stardom right? And so I can imagine if she felt like She will gain stardom from being connected with him. The other girls were feeling like they will gain some type of recognition for being in his world and his Circle. I mean having the privilege to go inside of his home so I can imagine them just having a field day at school talking about their encounters with our Kelly may be leaving out the terrible detail. Yes, and just knowing that even as a child, these are high school students and I go back to my high school years and if there was a celebrity D and my friend said hey come over here to this address. So and so is here we're going and we're going to go I'm going to make sure that if it's something my mom might not approve that okay. Well, I'm just gonna say I'm at this friend house so that I can go over here. But our Kelly he just did not have good intentions for those girls young girls and it just like it just makes you like what you're you're having a party with these 14 and in year old girls and not only that there are other people that are involved and that are seen that see what is happening. And yes and manager, right and Angela Yee, she was assistant. She was she hit the nail like right on it when she said like people enabled him and it's like when there's five six or numerous fifteen-year-old girls coming into your apartment. Like where were the other adults that were there? Like hey like we Know what's going on by come on now, right and then Michelle Williams when she said Michelle Williams, sorry, I'm jumping ahead but he had a hairdresser and we're going to talk about her in the moment. But his hairdresser said that Miss lenita Carter was his hairdresser. She was aged 24 when she was doing his hair and she saw Michelle Williams at the studio and Michelle stopped her and she was like, how old are you so that that just goes to show you how many other celebrities knew what he was doing and knew what he was up to and kept silence. So I'm not trying to throw any shade or sure Michelle Williams, but it's like how many other artists were well aware of what our Kelly was doing. It was it's crazy. It was it was definitely public knowledge and I think it's safe to say that almost everybody knew about it because it was it became a running joke kind of like when men go to prison and it Like, oh don't drop the soap and it's kind of like you laugh with it. But you're talking about men that are being abused raped and the same thing when everybody knew our Kelly Mary Dahlia it was the wedding certificate was published in Vibe magazine right? Saw that it was real people in the industry knew that however, there was a non-disclosure and then it just kind of went away and then he gave us I Believe I Can Fly and all of these other yeah. And Found Jesus. Yes, all that great stuff, you know, he had multiple personalities and I believe that so you mentioned the whole Alia thing. Yeah. So speaking of living out loud. He titled her album age ain't nothing but a number and she was 15 when she married him. So I mean, you can't get any more blatant than that. Like that was a very direct punch to everybody. That even speculated age ain't nothing but a number and he goes and marries 15 year old at Lea and she's not allowed to discuss it or talk about it and then him calling himself the Pied Piper and then all of these sexually eluding things he has on album covers and things he says that were implicit but they were explicit so all of these messages he's sending out to the world. Old and we're receiving them but we're not receiving them. What is your take on why we didn't do anything then like why are we just now mute our Kelly? I think it was more. We receive the messages most people receive the messages, but they block them because they were listening to the music as well. So kind of hard to people some people to separate the musician from the pedophile like, oh no will I still like 12 Play? Like TP to.com. That's my album. Oh, I believe I can fly on Space Jam like trial he can't do that or them girls will Fast and you know, all of that stuff, but I think going back to Alia rest in peace to baby girl. Yeah, but even hindsight is 20/20 when you go back and look at the album cover like he is just in the background. He's kind of into learning like a predator this is that what that freaks me out like once I heard it, It and I saw it. I'm like bro and the lyrics even tried to like he's so out with it. Yes, and it's he's arrogant like his music. It was disguised in the music and even in those lyrics age ain't nothing but a number going down ain't nothing but a thing, why do you have this 15 year old girl going? We're in these lyrics it ain't nothing but a thing like I mean just looking back on it. It's just it's it's very disturbing and That was kind of the first time where he actually could have been stopped was because of the non-disclosure agreement and he was able to continue his career that definitely empowered him because it's like oh y'all can't y'all can't stop me exactly it just perpetuated that type of sexual abuse and speaking of perpetuating sexual abuse. Let's talk about Susan logins. She was The Mastermind of his silence settlements and it's like somebody stop her. I mean that is crazy how she would take these victims and make them sign your life away. So basically you're making a deal with the Devil by saying. Okay. Well if I give you x amount of money which to me wasn't anything 250,000 dollars. Oh my gosh, you'll be done with that in a year and a half. I mean it's especially for someone who's not used to having money your 250s gone in a year and a half. But anyways, I'm just like You could never make me so my my soul to the devil. I mean you're buying my silence and basically making me live with this torment for a dollar for a price while this guy goes on to making multiple millions of dollars and perpetuating these acts on other victims and you're seeing this done publicly and you can't do anything about it. You can't say anything about it. So and I think that kind of goes back to in a previous episode. They talked about his relationship with neighbor. Mr. Henry. Yeah, man, where his mom took $5,000 according to one of his brothers that yeah the for this island. That's it. Yes for it not to testify when he got out of jail and that kind of kind of started that is also shows that when people don't when you don't I mean $250,000 to some people that's that's In the lottery that is that is there. Oh, I can do this. I can do that and I can get my life together and do just all kind of things that I want to do and a lot of these girls or women at the time. I mean, you don't really know what their financial situation was and they were they wore it and and it's just like yeah that said most people sounds like a good deal. Most people don't even make $250,000 within five to ten years of them. Just working. A full-time job 40 hours a week. So if you tell someone hey, I'll give you 250 K. They're not thinking about okay. Well tax is going to take this much out and all of this. All they see is 250 K thinking like this because Cole cash you got Her commission right is getting a check and I think that's a it's several. It is the fact that she said to lenita that your store is not right because you told your 24 you're too old for our Kelly. What are you talking about? He touched you where right and I was taken aback by that. I was very insulted and I just could not believe that she was okay with going to bed at night knowing what she knew and really benefiting from these women's trauma and I and a lot of a person by the way live. Let me go on record saying she's a horrible person and a lot of people have benefited over the years which is why it's we just can't it's our Kelly and then there's just so many people as Anjali said that have enabled him whether it's people in the industry from his record label that wanted to make sure that okay. Well, let's make sure we keep this quiet. So let's give them some money so that We can still put out this next single because there's gonna be a number one single we want to step in the Name of Love. So it's just so many people that have enabled him, especially with this team so many yes people so many people that have allowed our Kelly to just do whatever he has wanted to do over the years and he has paid these people hush money these non-disclosure agreements and it's like once you do that it's done you can't speak on it and he's basically bought Silence from From his victim so it's like victimizing them twice. Right and it's just it's just unfortunate and as it unravels and you just hear these stories of these women and they say we've been saying this since the 90s, this is 20/20. This is nearly 30 years later and we're finally getting to a point where he's being he's going to court and he's been to court before but we're thinks he's finally lost his record deal, which is like well, he's had this record deal for the past 20 plus. Year Mom drive like come on now what's going on? So and I mean even the artist that he's worked with over the years like now a lot of people are chiming in and saying things but I mean our Kelly still pops up on records. He was just on juicy booty with Chris Brown & Junaid like I mean that was just a couple years ago and I mean, he's stays, you know, he still relative mix. He's still very relevant before we get into our next heavy topic. I believe Kenneth has something to share. With you viewers. Yes. Yes. We just wanted to thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk now for us to continue to grow. We definitely need your help. Make sure you click subscribe on YouTube. And if you're listening on iTunes, give us a rating of 5 Stars. We love those comments. Keep them coming. Keep them coming. Absolutely can't thank you so much for that. I wanted to touch on his family situation and I mean talk about enabling he was expecting his younger brother Kerry to enable him by taking the fall for the fourteen-year-old 6p tape. So as Joslin likes to call it P tape, so I just wanted to ask you how did you feel knowing there are? Kelly was willing to throw his own brother under the bus asking him to take the rap for him instead of the actual perpetrator himself throwing it off on his brother. Like hey take this for me and I'll get you a car and I get you 50k and I get you a record deal and it's like bra like are you kidding me right now? Yeah, I don't think our Kelly has his whole life seems like it has been constructed. Instructed on manipulation. Yeah freshly with people that are close to him that he claims to love and not to the to have the audacity. Yeah even asked his brother that and to that's a permanent record and he was just like hey, I need to throw somebody under the bus and what it was his go to let me get him some money exactly who you think Harry looks like Robert know. I would need to see like side-by-side pictures of the year of this. Video have seen it already in I'm sorry Bruce looks more like our daily, but not carry any. Yeah, and he just I don't know if it could be age or say him being in prison or you know, I don't know but I yeah, you're talking about Bruce and prison. Well, yeah Bruce and prison will just and his brothers in general like hmm. They they possibly could have looked like each other back in the you know, where rub me the wrong way Bruce. Rubbed me the wrong way when he said that these women knew that they were being videotaped and then he tells a personal account of how our Kelly videotaped him without his knowledge. So what makes you think your brother can make you fall for the okey-doke set up a camera while you're having sex with someone unbeknownst to you and he can't do it for the women. They they knew about it and everyone. So funny because they set the the shots up to where these women are saying. No, I don't know. No, he never asked me. No, I did not consent to be videos. Like all of these accounts that the women are not consenting to being videotape or it had not even having knowledge of it. So what is your take on Bruce's statement? I would say that Bruce is just as problematic as his brother boom, and that's just the only way to put it like know. Were one in a blur. Yes and the Big Brother Big Brother and they were just in that environment and it's it's it's just like what like our Kelly has built this this world around him where he is just allowed to do whatever he wants to do and that includes treating women mistreating women underage women having sex with underage girls having other girls go service like waitress. Is to go pick up other girls and bring back, you know his desires and feeding his sexual desires and him not really dealing with I mean, it just all goes back to his childhood and that molestation he dealt with I know one of his brothers spoke on like they didn't like being molested but our Kelly he had a he got slick mouth with his mom and you know, it's like those at that young age from like 8 to 14. I think they say and when the sexual abuse happened it's like he was creating this world and he knew that he had this beautiful voice that when he's he opened his mouth people. Listen people loved it. So when you put okay now I'm a multi-platinum artist with millions and millions of dollars and people are doing whatever I want them to do. Yeah, and I'll you know what? I'm married to Leah, but you know what everybody still love me and then she still got her career. So it's all good. We just want to talk about it. Yes, keep it moving. Right out and it's like the thing that really kind of was heartbreaking is when they show like all these girls from all these years like it went from like current to like back to 1991 to the first one and they did like a compilation. You just saw all these photos and you just that's the first one that came out. She doesn't know if she was the first one exactly. Let's be clear like he has been done. Like I really feel like this sickness has been going on since His childhood even though he was a child himself. There's no telling what he was doing when he was 13 14 15. And I mean it just it sickens me actually think about it. It's very heartbreaking to also just know that we all felt all of these women all the adults are the record labels as everybody and it goes just goes back to when he married a Leah and the early 90s like that there were That was concrete. That was solid we knew that happened. We knew that our Kelly had a problem. However, what do we do about it? Everybody joked about it. Like it was it was common knowledge that was joked about on the radio on television celebrities joked about it, like everybody knew our Kelly mayor D'Elia everybody saw a man. That was allegedly our Kelly. Urinating on a like these were just jokes that kept going and going and going and now we're finally talking about it, but we're not laughing. Yeah, and it's a totally different story. Yeah, so I want to talk about something. I was very poignant that jaronda actually spoke up and said she believes that our Kelly hates women and it makes so much sense. He uses the Shouldn't tactics day. He's picked up over the years from Lord knows where and he allows these women to confide in him. He confides in them. I'll share my abuse story if you share mine if you share yours and then he uses their story against him like what he did with this hairdresser lenita and how when she wouldn't give him, you know head he was like you want me to beat you like Your husband did right and she's crying go fix your face, you know, and then she goes to the restroom and I think like I'm actually going into my most shocking moment where she wasn't even aware. He ejaculated on her face and his semen had her eyes closed like she couldn't even open her eyes. I was trying to imagine like my God. I can't I can't That was that that was definitely a shocking one of those moments that took my breath away and I needed to paused and get my stuff together and then finish the recording. I was just like this happened this really happened. It's a thing that you hear about a lot more with women, especially with these recent allegations in the me to movement and times up about where a guy would just pull out his penis and start masturbating and would Jack like wait, People like really do that like that happen actually living here in La coming from Dallas, Texas. I've Seen It All I've literally seen a man take out his penis and not only just pee at the bus stop in public but jack off while looking at me at the bus stop. So I'm like in a whole car and I'm at a red light and I'm like, okay, this is not happening. Like so I mental illness is real right, especially here in La this is where it just kind of manifests. Yeah, but man that that was definitely shocking and I mean that kind of goes to one of my shocking moments was with Dame - he was very vocal about his disdain for our Kelly and how Alia was open about her relationship with our Kelly and you know, she was a good heart. Good person and a good soul and just was like, you know, what no hard feelings or anything against this man, but I don't want him around him. Keep him away from me. Right and the most shocking thing for me was well there was the time period of their relationship and then you go look at the fiesta video the remix video with our Kelly featuring Jay-Z and there you have Dame Dash popping bottles, and this is in 2001 after the incident. Way after the incident after the incident with aleeya, right Damon Dash said he even needed therapy for what he knew about. What our Kelly did to illya he said he was in therapy for it. So so that to me that was shocking just to know that okay, your you've harbored all these feelings. These ill feelings toward this man. However, And 2001 you're poppin bottles with Jay-Z and the fiesta remix video one of our Kelly's I mean top songs. And so where was that same energy, you know that that you spoke of and that that just really just shows us that how people enabled him because it's like if when he initially married Alia and it was like, oh no like Whoo, why? Nobody's going to talk about this like we're having a whole meeting about his next album, but we're not going to discuss. He married a teenager. Okay, that's what's going on here. Like the fact that nobody spoke up and then like you have people that are speaking of now, but it's like what were you doing back? Then? It's like oh Dame you were popping bottles in the fiesta remix video. So I mean, it's just very unfortunate. So you think he's a hypocrite I would not very The air in his true feelings for our Kelly. I wouldn't say that he he's a hypocrite. I he definitely feel I feel like you feel that way but I support you so much that I'm going to appear and it's right. Yeah, and it's like I don't know what the Sark it would it would be nice to know what were the circumstances because the parent that was the time when every video from Big Pimpin and every other video with Jay-Z Dame Dash was there shirtless with the bottles it became just a thing. However, just like you knew what song this was right at the time you were dating. Alya. So was it a thing? Like? Okay. Well, I'm gonna go shoot this video and be in this video because it's gonna probably be a top single, you know more like yeah business and it seems like the notoriety of you know, just having that appearance in the video. It could be it was a thing like we're back then Dame Dash was kind of like the Diddy with bad boy like all up in the video and everything. So like damn - like it was just On that usually if it's a Jay-Z video game that has going to be right next to him with the girls and poppin bottles. So so let's talk about our Kelly's. Hey for women. I wanted to to backpedal on that. Let's let's talk about the history and how that informs us of how he met really feel about women. He says jaronda said that he opened up to her and said that his mother did not protect him and I can only think Think that by that she was maybe talking about the sister sexually abusing our Kelly and Mister Henry taking the hush money from mr. Henry. So all of this is informing us as to why or how he could have turned into the monster that he is today. So what are your feelings about him hating women, I would say that that's just so complicated. That is very complicated relationship. Censorship because our Kelly has like these seems like dual personalities, which is definitely expressed in his music where he can speak. So like the song Sadie where he talks about the love for his mother where he can do is really a song. I love the word woman. Yes. He lifts us up. Yes. That's why that that is my song think that's from Chocolate Factory. And yes, And it's just kind of like a dr. Jekyll and Hyde, like just really he can speak so beautifully about a woman and then he can talk about how he's paying the woman that he can go sing about his love for Jesus and for God. And it just really takes me back to that TP to.com album where I mean, it was just sexually explicit from beginning to fill in on your booty. Then after that it's the storm is over now and it's just like when you just go back and revisit his music and listen to those lyrics it's just like wow things are like hmmm. He was really expressing himself lies Duality exactly. Yeah, so guys Let's get into news and gossip. Well, mr. Dennis. We're yes. Yes. We are going to get into news and gossip. All right. So according to TMZ now, we had a fight on Instagram live. Yes last week honey last week and this is just this is like the NeverEnding Story like when they was the Gayle King interview and he blew up you just like watching it like what and disbelief now the same two women who were supporting him. They're fighting on Instagram live Miss Jocelyn her mug shot. We might have that mug shot right there had that fight with as real clay now miss clay claimed on the Instagram live that Jocelyn had sex with her while she was still a my age. Yes. And as soon as she said that if Joseline just let loose so it's just actually joycelyn, Jos. Joycelyn. Yes. Joycelyn. So that is according to TMZ. This happened and the Trump Tower in downtown Chicago and our Kelly's apartment. Yes. I thought she did you see the fight. I asked our snippet of the live and I definitely thought she was moving out. So yeah, and then joycelyn is calling as really evil and as like a how is she? Evil when she's telling her truth, so that just kind of shows you how manipulated and how like wrong their their frame of thought is when they're in love with him. They're fighting tooth and nail. It's very cold light. Like I mean our Kelly has created this cult over the years where he has these women that will do or say anything and distance themselves from their family cut off communication. And I mean anything like that is just like my this is a hole the colt and it's like Miss clay. She is breaking away from that. It would be interesting to see if she will pursue charges against joycelyn regarding the sexual acts that she said happened when she was a minor and also if she will speak on her truth because if so, she's been lying the whole time. So now it's like you going yeah, so that's kind of a that's a part of the our Kelly package it is When you when you when you sign up with a the deluxe package probably comes with the STD. Oh, yes, honey. Yeah sign up for that are Kelly package necessarily get rid of you get a album. You won't get some love songs and according to the victim gonna get a room in his apartment Penthouse and then you're going to get what you have been booted as soon as you start saying no to him you get suited and booted and that's what it seemed like as soon as As Miss clay said that she was going to say no and was done with it. Jerusalem was I oh, no, you're not about to mess up what I got going on and that's just how it felt and it'll just be interesting to see how this plays out and with these women because I mean these are victims joycelyn is still a victim and just to see that how she reacted to and it was just was so violent to her like as soon as she said like and you did this to me and it was just like, uh, Yeah, it went off and it just like you usually see that from your abuser. Rhonda said that that's how our Kelly was insulted us Auntie. Like there's a switch. He's nice. He wants to take care of you. And then as soon as you stop dancing to the beat of his drum, he turns on you and he becomes physically abusive which I didn't realize he was like also physically abusive on top of being sexually abusive. So that that that's crazy so many Heavy topics and we could literally talk about this all night long, but we have ran out of time guys. We're going to give you our predictions right now Kenneth. What do you think will be going on for the next couple of episodes that is just going to be more Revelations things that we knew but just put in really putting faces with these names and these voices. Absolutely. I feel like there will be more victims. There will be more details that I cannot deal with And there will be more poignant moments as to how this animal came to be. So yeah, those are my predictions and we got so much lined up. We will be giving you the scoop in the next couple of days on episodes 4 and 5 and until then I have been your host on jail Taylor. 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In episodes 2 and 3, numerous victims elaborated on their abuse under the hands of global superstar R. Kelly. His younger brother Carey stated R. Kelly tried to bribe him; his older brother said the girls knew they were being videotaped. According to his first underage victim, a budding singer, R. Kelly used her to bait other girls, usually around the age of 14 and 15. She repeatedly watched him have sex with the aforementioned girls she brought to his condo before he eventually turned his abuse towards her. It was also well-documented that R. Kelly used NDAs to silence his victims over the years. Many women stated that he shared his past sexual abuse stories in order to gain their trust and eventually manipulate them. One point made clear throughout both episodes: "He [R. Kelly] can smell a wounded woman a mile away." Today's After Show Was Hosted By: Angele Taylor & Kenneth Ware Follow us on http://www.Twitter.com/AfterBuzzTV "Like" Us on http://www.Facebook.com/AfterBuzzTV For more After Shows for your favorite TV shows and the latest news in TV, Film, and exclusive celebrity interviews, visit http://www.AfterBuzzTV.com --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello and welcome back to Ooty and Cho all things occupational therapy with me Quaker. Thank you so much for hanging in there with me. We are on episode six now and I can't believe it I'm doing but I've been down there for six episodes. Thank you so much for your continued support again. Just a real for say I love hearing from you guys and receiving very good feedback to continue giving them continue sharing it amongst you.Leagues I would love to hear from you about what your thoughts about some of the things I discussed on there. And also if you would like to come and be a guest on the podcast, you're more than welcome to just hit me up on Twitter handle OT underscore chill or my personal account, which is quick to Ooty. So since the last episode I manager tendo T show up in Birmingham was of great shows baptized. My first time going was really big. I didn't realize how big it was going to be so many stalls so many people around I managed to present my poster alongside colleague about some of the work that we've been doing in the prison, which was received quite. Well, one of the talks that went to which was fascinating with one by Jennifer Creek. I took a lot away from that. It's talking about our personal therapist need to work in the social practice field. Sis, I would love to have Jennifer creep on the podcast open-heartedness soon. So if you know where someone who's Jennifer Creek hit her up for me and get it to come on the podcast. I would really appreciate it. You know cheeky plug there looking for them for cooking. But yeah, it was really good to talk to go to another good tool I went on to was about sleep. I found a really interesting than some new stuff about sleep and how it is being used on since its certain mental Woods. So all in all it was a very good conference. So 10 I would recommend it to anyone who hasn't been before to intent is very good. And there's three which is important when you're trying to get maybe your work to pay for it or you try to look for cjd activities and so on to today's episode. So today's episode we go. I'm going to be talking about high intensity user service. I didn't really know much about this. This what's lucky Macross on Twitter, but I'll get right into the episode ladies were going to be talking to introduce themselves. Thank you so much again for listening and I'll catch you on outro. So today I'm joined by two ladies talk about high intensity use a program something that never really heard about before until I was browsing through Twitter and I came across our four. Oh that's that sounds quite interesting. I wonder if these ladies in common and talk to me about it and they agreed which searches on sestak, isn't it? The power of social media can bring em. So I'm going to let them introduce themselves. Hello. Ladies. You're right. Hello. So I'm joined by Jane and Kathryn Janeway would like introduce yourself, please and mainly work. In physical health field stroke rehab and wheelchair services and self-management a long term conditions before coming into this post about how about you guy friend? Hi, I'm Katherine. I am has thanked job, but I work in Shrewsbury covering Shropshire. I have been an OT for 30 years. I have mainly worked in mental health and learning disabilities and a little bit of cams welcomes for us Weir's and some special day. This is stuff on them off. Okay. How's the vast vast vast experience was that what 50 years combined just for experience? That's that's amazing. That is a lot of Occupational Therapy knowledge right there. So no I came across two ladies on like I said on Twitter and that lasts just amazed about what they're actually doing right now, which are now now I've looked into a little bit. It makes so much more sense, but obviously we're going to delve into it a bit more. Obtain, I was just wondering now. How did you come into your question first? Because I always ask this question to all the guests that come on. Just just just to see how you everyone manages to get into the profession. Yeah, my a levels. I don't want of the school I've done work experience in nursing besides that wasn't quite for me, but I actually met a note for you when I was on my work experience and immediately got interested and It went from there. Really? Yeah good choice victories. Last league is like, what about you - okay. In the hands and the medical loan side of it and I had holiday jobs in there helping out. Hmm, and we're dragged. Ram made people and then at school. I had a past situation music and a week before I was going to University to read music. I changed my mind. Wow, and now what 40 years later. You're still in a position first piece. Very happy in my job. That's all going to ask you this do enjoy it. How is it how is it change if you will for you? I'm doing good if you can't answer this, but how how do you think has changed since you first began or first started working as an OT? How do you think he's changed from that till now? I think I've definitely seen a big change and switch back to that recently. Which which sits very well with me. I'm sorry I say that's the biggest change. I've found recently about you Catherine. I'm just gonna stay exactly the same. I think it feels like it's gone in a cycle. So that's been really nice from yeah being occupational based then become quite reductionist and then coming back to the focus being an occupation and that feels much more comfortable with me. That's really good to hear that because then when I speak to my last podcast to Wendy Wendy show that she said exactly the same thing is she's been no tea for maybe 20 or so. It's good to know that it's a win-win. Probably going right in the right direction again as opposed compared to when you guys start with what we see you guys starting like to each and you talked about going off course a bit, but we're back on track. So you nearly qualifies just make sure you stay on track. Let's not go back and stay on track. So back to the wall was probably many wanted to talk about today. It's like I said before I've never really heard about the high-intensity use as a it's like a project, isn't it? Was that or did it start? The project you need to give me Jane. Can you tell me about what about the background of the how shocked is how he's become where it is now? and she was noticing what is the people who tended to attend daily really frequently and city in the same issues going on and on and on and down round and round in circles and really thought of what what's happening what's really going on what's driving these people to attend a Indian corn ambulances so much so We use the approach for actually going and contacting these people and you know, just having a chat and say what's going on for you at the moment, you know, Clark and Lana Beach at have a cup of tea and we'll see where this goes. Some some really wow, that's amazing. That's that's that it was from something that you think is as small as that and is grown in just over something that you guys can be employed to actually do it. It's really it's really good. How did you find the by Catherine? I think I was looking for a new change in Direction. The role that I was in had become was very focused on sort of triaging referrals. I didn't feel confident comfortable. You know that I was working as an Okie and those looking for something different and I saw it and I and these posts are open to anybody when I read the job. Description and then all the information that is about the height high intensity use the service Andre and stuff. I just thought wow. That's something that OTS would be really good at and something I'd just looking at live life and just trying to get them back into Mmm-hmm. There are many occupational therapist doing it. Do you know of apart from YouTube obviously any any My I think there's someone else going to start next year. I think that at the moment I think it's just two of us. Okay. Wow, this is very very specialist Facebook wall in terms of being an OT and doing this this role one of a kind of professions are doing it part of the Roll thing. I think not sure because it really is open twenty don't have to have a professional qualification. Okay. Okay right person. Okay, he's able to connect with people. And help people sort of engage and make those changes really. Mmm. That's a so so you could literally not have a professional qualification, but be doesn't know just just be good with people that way. Where is it? So what what happened tell me a little bit about the interview process then because obviously you don't go there saying I'm a no official purpose and I've got the skills and that's why I can do this job, but your view if you probably oxy a bit question Target to that. To find out more about you as a person than right. I'm guessing what do you think? Yes very much supported by NHS right care. Okay, we put together and help with sort of formal interviews and the recruitment process and we are Monty has also been involved in that food and the interview process was very much about finding out about you as a person how you engage with people and You know, you can go into things very open and honest and non-judgmental. So that was really the focus of the interview as it. Is this something that you experience covering as well. Yes, I think so. I think and your ability to look at things creativity, you know creatively and not you know, not follow a rigid Pathways I suppose and also I had quite a lot about resilience because that they are a lot of the posts are on their single people. I'm on my own covering the whole row Shropshire and there are some teams are being set up. So it's Set quite tough joke. Mmm. And so they wanted. One, it's quite. White people of authority figures sometimes it does come into it really you're there to Advocate very much for your service users. So you need to be you know, a bit of a firefight. Well as yeah, I fight the you know fight for their rights. Okay. So like do you think you've built up do you think you had all these clothes like naturally or is it like for occupational therapy and working in a profession that is giving you some of these skills or do you just think you're not should learn actually that type of person I would say I mean, you know, I have been an OT for very long time. And for most of those most of those years. I've been the only OT in a team, so I'm used to working individually and and remotely true. Rude, and it's being rude. origin where I can you know, but this would be quite a difficult job for you. Okay, and I think sometimes you know. You know that could cause difficulties because you've got to be able to think on your feet and go it alone. I think Jane thank you. Yeah, definitely and it's that being creative and there's lots of moments where you think am I doing the right thing. You've got to think very much on the on the spot, even though there's two of us working down in the subsection very much still on your own because you're working with people wherever they need you at that time. You think you have to be quite strong? confident as well some am I trying thinking this probably not a nine-to-five job, or is it because the way you'll get your describing it if you need to work with people whenever they need you you're like on call or is it like a sixth work or was it like Catherine no, it's okay. It's okay career. We've are all times where I will send people to text message and weekend evening is all work later if need be so it depends how you want to run it and what you can do within your sort of daily life. And also what the people need. And okay. So what about you? What about you - are you at 84th a person is or you run the clock? Is that needs to happen but not very often? I think what we're trying to do is help coach and encourage individuals to have some resilience to have some coping strategies. So so I I would say to do is because they you know phone text me and if you get in touch before 4:00 4:30 or whatever. I'll be back in touch that day. If not, it will be the next day. So they have confidence in your you know that you're there for them, but there are boundaries in place. Wow, and but I mean, for example Speaking. I did send a text to somebody on yesterday morning because an has experience she's and it's struggling and you know, it was funny really difficult. So it's just a little text in the morning say I didn't forget about you. Sorry, you know, keep going good for you for trying to keep their for the weekend and and I felt that that was needed for her at time. It only takes me a minute doesn't it? So, yeah, that's the department flexibility bit keeping to the boundaries as well and Sound as well. A lot of people will maybe leave me a voicemail on my phone at night. Yeah. A lot of people have said that actually even just the ability to leave a message and vocalize what they're feeling that be heard. Next morning is quite powerful and actually couldn't solve their anxieties at that moment. So just give them a different platform to contact people and get support or another strategy they can use to I don't know manage anxiety that he said so how like when people come into your caseload. Okay. Let's go back a step. Actually. How do people get into your caseload for starters. How did our people Into fight and actually do some of the people refuse to work with you. The highest Henderson a that comes to us every three months and that we do vin with at least is we go through and we give people a ring sometimes there's people you just can't get through to sometimes there's people you'll have a chat to and you know that they feel like open at the moment. All those are real medical reason why they're attending a in a I just don't want to see it as that of that happen often. Actually, most people will want to come and have a you know, even come and have a chat because even if people have got real medical issues and taking duany, sometimes they feel that there could be better ways of managing and coping with it. So most people say yet come come and meet me and have it, you know have a chat. So once once the people on your caseload or you start working with them, is there like a do just hold them until they feel like they don't need your services anymore or do sort of take them back. To like a mg T-Type meeting and then discuss like a discharge pathway or what we'll do you do JM a cover most frequent attenders 200 attendees. And from that list. I will pick a variety it won't be all. the most frequent because the caseload is probably about 15 to 20 and there are times when for example you might have some people that are very complex and very take quite a lot of work and you can't have your whole case load like that because you wouldn't be able to provide no job that you need to work with so it's choosing there and then because The whole idea is trying to like I said building up that resilience making people feel that they're in control and those guests as well having some trust in services or in people that they do respond in that. They're there that when you offer this opportunity for them to contact you whenever when they feel there's a crisis it gradually. Sort of guys down there building up other things in their life and they're engaging in things that are positive to them or some things are just simply resolved. So they actually see if you like Start contacting you less and less so we don't I don't talk about this charger. Don't talk about finishing. It's just like, you know, they at the end. It's like I'll get in touch with me if there's anything you need. It contacted me 4 months later and just sort of said, you know, I've moved house do you need you know, do I need to tell ya? So you never discharged let's get to that and I think that's just that's holding for them. But they're not they're not using me. I think there's that the same way you do and I think yeah and I think that's something quite key about this service is the fact we don't talk about this charge. Okay, because it's and automatically going to all Panic. Yeah, so we don't actually talk about this charge. People just naturally sort of don't need you anymore. And you've just something about you that you got to let go and know when to let go that's why I was but I was thinking is all the same time because you obviously I can imagine. Yeah, I can I can imagine if you like you feel like you want to help first real have that feeling you want to help this person if they are having some difficulties, but actually you you have to find a way of obtaining their back and then the person bum basically fly themselves. Because I suppose if you're done with the time, they might not develop some of those some of that resilience. Like you said or some of those some strategies because always going to be relying on you. How long have you been? How long you been doing this job for Catherine? III haven't been done for a long I started in June. So I've had was we talked about her to do lots of people if you like we try to just pick up new people every three months quarters have been doing six months. So I'm just about to pick up the third lot of people. Okay. How about you Jane? We're just this last week. It's been a year. So we're on our line awful and cohort. Austin clients, we've got the pickup Onyx lock in January. And is this still successful for both of you? Is that like is it you gain good outcomes in your work. You still enjoying it? Yeah, so thinking about the people who actually work with what puts them at risk of becoming scientists use. I know you talked about some of the if it's a medical reason for them to I'm going into any and hospital that that's that's easy to see but what over what board over people that might not have a medical an urgent medical issue but still accessing what kind of things are putting them at risk of being identified as a high intensities, I think. After this loneliness isolation not having a very good social network around difficulties in problem-solving resilience those types of things. Of course a few I think from those reasons has quite a lot of alcohol difficulties mental health difficulties, but usually it is about finding strategies to manage. Shane Coke knowing sometimes practical practical things of knowing what to do. But often it is about lack of purpose lack of connection node networks. They want to fall back onto to talk about their worries. A lot of the role is about building that out and finding things that feel right for them. You know, what is purpose for you? Volunteering roles work things that they can enjoy and just broadening out their life rainy from from quite isolated. It sounds like it sounds very guilty. I usually use this which is very straight. Obviously, you're doing the job in OT by sounds very much like when you when we work with people we trying to get them to find out about themselves basically and all their likes and dislikes and what they was meaningful to them because actually when you are having difficulties, those are the kind of things you won't fall back on to you too. Do you get through I've used the similar to Eugene about the type of things that is their faces. Sort of like when I go to a knee because that's why I know people wow, they know me really well and they give you a cup of tea. Wow, that's that's what does come up time and time again because it is that loneliness just not having that connection with people and I think one of the most interesting things as well as when I talk about this for a lot of people go assume that you're working with the elderly. That's what I was going. I was going to ask that question. I was gonna ask you what kind of wisdom demographic in terms of like age in class but it tends to be that the younger age group that we work with more. Mmm. That's surprising actually watching not so well, I've seen the think about it now I can imagine there might be some services for really targeted ugly. But actually that age group do you just said which is that adult Igloo? Well, most people expected to be able to look after themselves and your you seek assistance when You when you're medically on well when you go to hospital, but actually there are people that do struggle, right and in terms of housing like yourselves loneliness self-isolation, do you tend to find a lot of people poverty so they perhaps or homelessness? So the perhaps access it as well. That I worked with and I was really struck by is the first time I saw her. She actually did have a medical emergency. Okay, you know what a medical condition I said, why don't you know, I think we should go to the GP, you know find your GP just said I have no credit on my phone. So You know what she's going to do. She can't get an appointment with the chief can't bring his GPS. So but she can bring an ambulance for free and and so that you know, that's a very basic reason why that was happening for her and it was sort of credit on a phone with an issue and I think with with those that are homeless often, it's not though. It's not the individuals who are presenting a any or that they're being presented to a knee. Yeah diesel far concerned, you know passes by so that that's and that's the very different way of working because there's then looking at a very broad reasons of why they might be roughly ping and what their networks are and what the possibilities are so dude. Do you guys have to work a lot with overage agencies when this person presents to you when you get when you pick them up on your caseload? Do you talk to you like contacts like maybe the police or social services or to try to get some information about this person or is it purely directly working with a person from that point of view and also we get them police alerts number? Okay, which is quite good but you would do have to link with whoever we need to at that time. Mmm. Try to get them as much support as he kind of suppose. So what what what's been your highlight so far? Like when you've been working with your knee is something that you someone that you've worked with and need for? Oh, wow, that's they've made a massive change in have actually not had to return to any for any kind of medical one up medical emergency, but the frequency is reduced significantly. Really? So to put in the sport I should go you to think about this before I put you in this world. I'm just trying to think of people. I mean, I think the one lady well who has talked about it with who didn't have the credit on her phone? Okay, and but she had her a lot of difficulties with mental health alcohol and was in care a lot of my client group seem to have been care leavers. Mmm. A lot of men under 30 so don't know whether that's the area that we work in because there's quite a Child Care Homes here. But so I think for her there wasn't a coping strategy that she'd learned really and recently. She was waiting to go into detox and she'd self detox herself and managed to is what she have seizures seizure induced by the Coaxing mmm, which meant that she couldn't go in. delete oxxo it's me. Only sober for the time before she went into rehab was amazing for her to manage that and she was very very, you know, very strong. I think to do that. It took quite a lot of work. There were a lot of medical appointments that she needed to go to to be sorted out before she went away. There were things like just organizing herself because it was overwhelming the thought of going away for three months, you know to do. this task what you need to do what those sort of processes and is that the kind of thing that you helped to where you would help her with like that making the to-do list and making sure deceased able to do that myself anything anything anything that she feels is going to stay under in way and as moving forward I will do and that's what's so lovely about the job is that you're not Rain was expected or what is oh, that's our role. Not your Boland and everything. It's like well, it is defrosting the freezer one day. That's great. If it's doing tying fishing fly for someone else another day that's brilliant, you know or taking them to have their tooth filled. You can do those practical things and make a difference. That was one of the questions. I had actually worked like what gives you the most satisfaction buffing. Give us our answer that what are you doing? He's been beaten up all the time or just get lonely at night anxious. Didn't know what to do. Social Circles. Not good really didn't think he could ever tackle is alcohol issues at all nirvani money leaving off the food bank, and now he's going down to alcohol support getting toward his appointments going to prevail. He's actually trying to talk his money out usually got credit on his phone for most of the month, which is the Miracles with able to make calls and he just said, you know, he just recognizes why you know why I was going to play any before and he said just having someone there who believes in him and he didn't feel that that was possible. It's been able to make changes and that never met someone I've had is a young girl who self harms and really doesn't have any social connections at all. Very beyond around keeps everything secret and she sort of wood one of the things since I've been texting her regular and she's been able to text me. She's self-harmed once wow, and it almost seems to be as before the only way she could see the people who were her friends was to self-harm so she can see the nurses and AD well practice and just having Want to do isn't connected to the medical world and being able to you know, actually talk about everyday stuff is sort of almost just allowed her now to start thinking perhaps I can work with mental health only. She said no tuba forces step. Simple just takes messages the dawn that it's quite powerful this. Okay. I've got this. I'm just thinking like where you were when you were talking about how like all these things are happening, but how can we on the biggest skill, how can we stop back intervene? Earlier so that we don't actually have to capture love the people you're working with. Once they get there. What kind of things do you think can be done not even in it sort of felt for a while. Now, what kind of things can councils do or or occupational therapist do actually I know a lot of people when they get to work with occupational therapist do already seen many health professionals of some kind but what is there anything that you think in society in general we can do to help before people. Have to actually access the any in your opinion. I think that so looking at things like the chattynatty cafes or the camera does those sorts of things which offer spaces for people to you know to talk and I think as a society for get used to talking a little bit more to people. Yeah, it's working your finger. So Do you think that's very simple things like that? And I think for our the people that I work with and something I think that professional should reflect on is something that keeps coming up for me and I don't know if it's the same for you James and my clients have it but I also had it as the professional yeah is ringing professionals and not being phoned back. Okay? So if you think about these individuals who have no family and friends who feel rubbish who feel they're useless and worthless when they phone their key worker four times and they've not got back to them. They just feel rubbish. Yeah. Things about making a response back quickly, even if it is a text saying I can't talk. I will phone you when ordering and with make an enormous difference to those people and I think that like Jameson was the young lady who was self-harming I think having somebody who is there who does do what they say they're going to do when they said when they say they're going to get it increases that person's value. And that can make a huge difference and I think if we all did that then that would make a hit that big different. Yeah, that's an important point. It's Services a very difficult access and quite often. You've got, you know a person may be ready to engage but there's a process to go through or maybe waiting times. And by the time they gave me to get to the top of the list maybe life's moved on for them. They aren't in the right place and opportunities been missed and then sometimes there's this. Isn't someone so you know like oh, well, it didn't answer the phone or I could never get hold of them. We try and flexible ways to contact people but sometimes a lot of the people if they can't get to the phone or they never answer the phone. They're scared to answer their side. So we'll never even get through to any help that they need because of that so actually accessing services and flexibility around that and waiting times is a huge thing for that. I know you've been through this system around around around for so long for Israelis confidence and faith in it. Hmm. My thought is that's important Point both of you ladies. I mean, it's it it's really difficult place because it's like it's like a Mist group of people it will go and then how do we get in there first? And it's by like you're saying professionals actually if they've seek that help professionals. I should be getting back to them and not maybe taking too long because while she when you take too long and that's when something could go wrong or they can end up in a me in which then Create a whole new Dynamic around that person and the magic people panicking about them. When actually you could have avoided all that by just a quick response or could text message or a little quick. This was known in talk about technology. There's so many ways to contact people. So for especially people that work in the community like yourself, there's going to be many many opportunities in many ways to contact someone if you can't if see them face to face this is such an important point. So what if you were kind of specific role of OT skills, do you think you're you've used? I know you've talked a lot about the stubble. Is there any specific ones that you thought actually this is just something that I've done for my 30 years or 20 years of working and is really working for me right now. So do you think I'm Jane? I think it's is just using this my ATV skills, which is so fantastic. And one of those Wells you come in and you use all of the experiments use as a game that you work with the whole, you know, you can actually got time and permission to work with that person as a whole looking at their life their occupations their environment what is going on for them and you draw from everything. I mean I have I have you know help people. Get Wheelchairs and things like that, which I've done before she's people you've got a beer so you draw all of your experience from whatever field you've ever done and also have to think out of the box and I thought it's that being creative every person you meet is slightly different for some of you, you know, you'll have to work with the police and things like that, which I've never done before I came into this role, but you you don't think on your feet and be creative and use all your communication skills as well, which is that you did a Greek suffering. So I think it I like being able to frame things in a model. So I like moho I think that this works beautifully for this role. Okay, all of those different areas and the environment her and perhaps special social environment and things that people you know what they're doing and I like that you you can make it, you know one day I might be getting for somebody who is is in their 90's and falling calling because they're feeling did it Giddy and and I have the time I sit down and I realize that their care carers are going in in a five hour interval and giving them all their medication within those five hours. Yeah. Somebody who is very very negative. But you know really suicidal finding it very difficult. Chuckles homeless and you know finding out what really makes them tick which is fly fishing. Okay. Well, let's look at these flies look your husband in like fly fishing looking a bit of feather and and tying things and like okay, we really can I do that with you and it's just about feeling Valu. Yeah. I think that's to me. It feels the real honor that what I do is actually very much valued. By the people that I'm working place in it, sometimes it's sadly it feels like a surprise to them and that shouldn't be how it is, but it is really nice that you can do those things or you know, just take the dog for a walk in the woods and they really can we do that. Well, we did you know, that is so amazing. So you guys sound like you're going to kick obviously it's a very challenging job is still a difficult job to do at times could imagine going from a 90s. Roll to a younger person who's suicidal is quite it's quite a contrast is very very different, but you don't portunities to actually be with the person but which is persons are sometimes what like well when I came to official first piece actually to actually talk to people and get to know people and what makes them, you know, what makes them happy woman because when something makes you happy, hopefully you enjoy it and it'll can bring about some change to you. Right so actually having the opportunity to sit down and do all the things I am meaningful as we talked about in occupation for the It's it's amazing how it sounds like a great job you have no, but thank you so much. Ladies. That's just this I'm gonna have to keep my eye on job around this area. You never know know it double my experience and one day I might be able to do something similar job if people want to find out more about this survey, so your role or anything like that. What will cut? Where can I direct them to? You will come up with all the resources about service there, which is really informative and tells you about it even tells you how to put but the service together. Oh, really? So attached to a job description everything. Oh, okay. That's interesting. I'll find out I'll find the website. I'll put into the episode description and I'm also will they be okay if I put your Twitter Handles in there and for the people contact if they're interested in it, but be okay trophy fantastic, honestly, thank you so much for joining me today this evening. I really appreciate your time and I found out a lot about something that I never knew about. So so it's good for me to learn it. So it's good for People to hear about it, and also good to hear that occupational therapists are doing something that is not purely less a statutory services like in hospitals or based and then you can have the opportunity to do all those different kind of things that you've described today. So, thank you so much and I'll look forward to speaking to you again very soon. Well the stuff folks. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much Jane and Catherine my fast number of experience and years and additional therapy and it tells by the way, they talk in the way. They just expressed them their roles. So eloquently thank you so much those ladies for coming on the podcast and talking to me. One of the things they were saying post-recording was that if you're looking for a similar role you may not find it on directly on NHS jobs or track jobs or any of the places that you might look for complete. Not very pre-rolls the Best Bets to look at British Red Cross or any of the over big agencies outside of the usual bill here is that we look for occupational therapy jobs. So the advice was if you looking for a role similar to what they doing, if you just search for high-intensity user service, I intensity you to program on Google or any other search engines and the search for that and see if you can find a roll through there, but It's a fantastic job to do and it's very much needed a person with that kind of intervention that cacti discussed before if we can select vision for this. We can start working in that Soul filled May expand our role a little bit more until next time guys. Thank you so much for listening. Catch you later.

Episode 6 - Jane Moseley & Catherine Rodgers - High Intensity User. In this episode, I am joined by two Occupational Therapist Jane Moseley (@janiemoseley) and Catherine  Rodgers (CathRodgers13) to talk about their roles as High Intensity User workers. High Intensity User is the name given to individuals who are identified as a frequent visitor to accident and emergency. I am always interested in hearing from occupational therapist who are working in non-traditional roles but are still using their vast knowledge of occupational therapy to influence their practice. Talking about experience, Jane and Catherine have 50 years combined which is amazing and from the conversation we had appears to strongly align them to the roles they are currently in. More information about their roles can be found at "https://www.england.nhs.uk/rightcare/workstreams/high-intensity-user-programme/" or contact Jane or Catherine on their twitter handles.

Hey there, this is Auntie. Welcome to the podcast today. I had the honor of talking to one of my all-time favorite photographers. Someone whose work. I look up to four years. His name is Andrew Kearns and he has been a YouTuber for a while and he has created a large following online sharing his amazing photography and videos. If you're not familiar with his YouTube channel or histogram. I highly recommend you just have a quick look if you have a chance before listening to this episode just so that you have an idea of his work because I think you really enjoy it. And yeah, I recently came across one of his. His latest videos where he discussed a lot of changes going on in his life and he mentioned how he got into stoic philosophy. So in that moment, I just sent him an email and he agreed to be on the podcast, which was awesome. And here we are right and yet in this episode we discussed a lot about Andrews introduction to stoicism his experience. We also touched topics such as that the downside of online success social media has something culture and what it does to our ego sometimes so we seized him everything. Philosophy and how to apply it in their lives as well as the advantages of using Philosophy for your creative projects and your creative life, right? So yeah Andrew also mention how he's extensional crisis and something he was going through he was struggling with his existential crisis help him gain Clarity and how he says it's not necessarily a bad thing and it's good to learn from those moments of you know, when you're down and you feel like nothing's gonna get better soon. But yeah, I mean if you've been a fan An Avengers work maybe if you're ready know about him. It's awesome to have you here such an honor to have you here. And yeah just want to really thank Andrew for all his honesty throughout this conversation. It really felt like talking to an old friend. And yeah, if you've been following Andrew, I believe this is a great update on his life and I believe there's a lot of good advice for creators and people who want to follow their passions in here. So yeah, we discuss philosophy creativity everything in between. But yeah that does about it and let's just get into it. So I really hope you enjoyed this interview and yeah here Welcome everyone this empty. I'll get the time flies and I'm here with Andrew and you can introduce yourself real quick. Hey guys, this is Andrew Kearns. I'm 25 years old living in Everett Washington, when know anything else favorite color is blue. Actually, it's Cerulean. It's very specific. So we're just really it's later doctors like it's like probably a little bit lighter a close close. Oh, sir on the way the teal but not very feel like it's like just get the Crayola crayon box and this color then there's no big coat. Do you know the code of the color? Um, no, just Google it like Google search image Google image search Crayola Cerulean crayon, and that's the shade because there's like other like cough shades of Sir Ian. It's the Crayola crayon. I'm very specific right? It's about that. That's who I am. That's what about that wraps it up. Thank you for being here. Okay, so a bit of an introduction just you know, like kind of like why your approach and everything like I have been watching your I just told you this building. I've been watching your videos for years since you started and yeah, man, you've been an inspiration to me and right now you said you'd 25 I had no idea that they were older than me. I mean not way but I'm 23. I always say years the other role model. So feel like a lot of the people that come from like Instagram and YouTube are like usually a little younger like Hey there, either they don't they're not really my age. I feel like they're younger or older. They're like 30s like around Casey were Casey neistat is or like like 19 or 20. We're like, whoa, you're really young. Like what the heck like, yeah. I feel like it's a common kind of mid outlier range. Let's go. But yeah, okay. I've been a backward. So what do you do? What are you passionate about Olivia stuff? Yeah, so I'm currently I just recently started working for a company. Moment doing so making for them they used to and I guess they still make iPhone lenses and they're great company and then prior to that I was doing freelance for five years and then just doing photo and video work and in the midst of that I did YouTube Vlogs as well. And now I mean, I still do all that and pretty much it's like kind of not like necessarily as much work, but excuse me, not as much work, but Or not as much like job stuff because I work a full-time job now but more so the more so the just for fun now it's but it's been fun to like have it all back as my own and just like be photographing for fun again. So yeah, it's kind of what I do. That's awesome too, you know, like people that listen to the podcast and stuff. We've been talking a lot about so he sees him like that the ways you can affect our lives and what I'm really interested is kind of like Any creativity and philosophy right and how they both work together? And yeah, like for me I studied filmmaking. I studied some photography. I was doing quite a bit of photography for years ago, but then I kind of stuff a little bit bad but still like I don't know there's something about art and there's something about like the creative process that I think is very related to philosophy. I mean before we dig really deep into story system and you know, like a bit of more of that like I would just want to know your thoughts about the link of creativity and philosophy. Yeah, I think it's I think it's very applicable for sure. I think it's helped me a lot to I think my best link was philosophy is to understand like what's truly intrinsic to me, like what are my values and how I can capture that through my work? I think it's easy, especially with social media to get off track to appease to or to appeal to others to like do all this stuff and I'm definitely at full I think. That fault to an extent with that and so it says in my feel has really like brought real me back into okay, like what am I actually truly stoked about? What am I? Like what am I truly what is like truly internally me, you know, and how can I capture that? So for me, it's like Outdoors, you know and and being being through an honest with myself and being just self-aware of like this is the most fulfilling part for me is to To be outside and to capture that somehow and going from there with that. So that's how creativity and stoicism is. Really. Worked in my life. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I mean and yeah just for a bit of context for people who haven't seen your YouTube channel or they don't know yet. Like I yeah, man, I mean it was cool. Like I was telling you really like I used to watch your videos like since book one and it's been super awesome. And now lately I saw these update that he posted kind of like, you know, like sometimes adversity comes into the lives. Like honestly, I made a bit of in the middle of that like every time I have data but because it's always as if I'm in the middle of that but it's just constant man likes there's always something going on and I just want to know a bit of like a your background like getting into so easy. So maybe what triggered it? Yeah as much as you feel comfortable sharing like no worries. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm happy to share. So I was I didn't really know what stoicism what I know. I like self-help was Prior and like self-help was cool. I don't think anything's wrong with it. But sometimes it's a lot of I thought it sounded not to be so practical sometimes not all the time, but sometimes and some of it was also a bit too out there for me. Like like I'm a very practical like like level do like I drive a Prius, you know, like it's just like like I'm a very practical dude and and yeah, so I think the first book, you know, Ryan holiday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so he so I had heard from a friend of mine Daleks troll another photographer. I was listening to a podcast he was on he said he was reading the book ego is the Enemy at the time and I was like, oh cool. Like I'll check it out and the podcast was recorded like years earlier and this is like earlier this summer when I just like had re-listen to it and I was like, oh I should Should read that because I've been getting into reading at unlike prior to this. Like I just been reading book after book. And so to continue to train I was reading egos the enemy and yeah to put it in a nutshell like that time of my life earlier this summer and April. I was like doing Road life. I was I was doing Road life in the midst of that. I was questioning if I was really enjoying Road life and not being fully honest with myself. And then I had like a lot of business inquiries stuff. Like, you know, when you get like 10 plus inquiries, it's like, oh one will work out one didn't work out and then in the midst of that I also had I was like had girl problems basically so and like all of this is happening at once and I'm like, I'm not going to go too in depth with that. But it like all hit heavy in the midst of reading ego is the enemy Just questioning. I think I think the biggest thing was like I was doing the road life staying doing all that and I just started like questioning like what am I actually doing? Like is this like a my my doing Road life? Because I enjoy it or because I'm trying to project this image of Me like but then but then I even enjoying this image of me. Like am I enjoying what I'm trying to project or am I just like out here just trying to like make it by doing this like it was just like, oh like it literally makes as much sense to me as it does is me trying to explain it to you. It just doesn't didn't percents. And I was like what the hell am I doing and you know blah blah blah girl troubles. I moved back to Washington to made like actually be here for the first time. And a long time and I just was like living with family. So I guess I was listening to egos the enemy on audiobook and then reading The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle and those books and Tandem and I also always have a fun book going onto so I like I was reading those listening to to like practical wisdom stoic books. And then I was reading like random books like The Hobbit and then like the Hunger Games Harry Potter like I always Have a fun but going on too. And yeah, so that was like I got daily stoic by Ryan holiday as well. So we're doing those and like yeah like that. There's like past summer really was my introduction / solidifying how much I loved stoicism because it's this so practical like there's no like and I don't want to hate on anything, but there's no real. Gin attached there's no this or that attached to it. It's just like like you can't look at you can't read the book and be like hmm. I don't know about that. Like it's like it's like it's it's true like if you like I and that's that's what it was like it was just something I couldn't argue and it's so simple like and that's like I'm the kind of guy that if there's too much food in the fridge I eat out and like when that makes sense, like I just I just get overloaded with info and I can't I can't handle it. Like long emails like I just can't do it. It's too much food in the fridge. And so with stoicism is just simple like the daily stoic it's you know, maybe a Page worth of text every day with practical wisdom. And then I got the little question book as well the the journal that came with it and it's just like starting every morning like that this past summer just like dialing in like just being very mindful. Yeah. It was it was great. And so that was my intro to it and like really I dedicated a My time is past six months since May to it. Like I've been practicing it a ton in like meditation as well as journaling. Like I like anyone listen to this podcast. I encourage you to journal like oh my God, it's the best lesson on perspective ever it is. So so good and I try to journal every day and it's just like you can You know when you like talk to your friends and your listen to your problem their problem and it's like you like know the answer. You're like stop being so stupid. That's what a journaling is. It's like you're looking you're looking at your own problems from an outside perspective now instead of Inward and something about that is like it just makes you realize like how unimportant things are and like in a good way like how not big deal things are and like how much like things just go on, you know, and so like every morning like So I guess back to back up like that was kind of like my intro to stoicism Andrew that's been my practices. And yeah and like with now I'm working at moment. Like it's a it's a busy job. I got it. It takes a lot of my end so energy and time so lately my journey was stoicism is not for not having an excuse to to be too busy for it because it's easy for me to like workaholic my way through it, but Through the day, but I'm trying to like back up and like every morning like spend 30 to an hour. Just sorry. I heard a noise outside doors. Anyways, sorry. I don't know what that was. He didn't anyone to check we could president worried. No. No, it's fine. Yeah, I'll just start from here. So with it being really busy with work and stuff. I try to like spend, you know, 32 an hour every morning after. Journaling writing about lately. It's been a big thing writing about perspectives. There's this really really good quote from a book called 7 Habits of Highly Successful People by Stephen r.covey and it's examine your own motivations against your highest values because they impact your perception and which impacts your behavior and the results of the follow and I pretty much write that in my journal every day and like all Think about whatever I'm doing like my motivations for like something in my personal life or something in my business life and I'm like, okay. Well, like what does does this thing? This is what I'm going toward lineup with my values and if it's like No And it's like, okay. Well, how's that if it's no or yes, I'm like, okay. Well, how is that impacting my perception of the situation and what will the results be and my behavior my reaction to it. Be so it's been like that quote is probably one of the best colors I've ever heard because you can apply it to everything and I pretty much write that every morning to my journal. So that's kind of like my intro plus my intro to stoicism and philosophy as well as kind of my current practice. But yeah, it's good. No, that's so cool. I love it because they could definitely see how you're getting fired of a bit like getting started like not to say that I'm To like far in advance of that. Like I said, I started this thing like two years ago, but like same like the the first few months, I was crazy. I was just talking a lot about it. I was obsessed with it. It's just such a like you said, it's just a truth. It just right there can't argue it. Yeah, even if you could you would probably just be saying the same things in other words because I mean that's what I love about it. Like it really is till we see some really like you said it doesn't come with that. With the weight of a religion or political movement. It really is just thinkers expressing their thoughts on life and and yeah the reality of it and the practicality right and in the one thing I do really love especially Ryan holiday does this is like, I mean, he admits he's agnostic. He doesn't follow a religion. But like he literally just posted a photo showing the books he read on tour and one of them was like the Holy Bible, you know, and like and he draws from all these other religious texts and it's like Like I grew up in the church. And so I kind of have a different perspective on that and to be able to just accept knowledge for what it is versus a religion attached to it. I think is really cool. And I think one of my favorite passages from The Power of Now, which I thought was just really cool that he included it at car. It was just like this passage about like does God help you or hinder you what? That is let's just keep going and it's just like oh, okay. It's that simple like like that's not much food in the fridge. You have to deal with like it's just like it's just so simple and yeah, that's right. That's right. I appreciate those stoicism is it is just practical practical work with no religion attached. So yeah mine, I agree like it's hard because we are always told like I don't know either Society. There's a lot of forces telling us how to think about life how to grow. About life something that I'm interested in knowing your opinion. General is kind of like, you know, you kind of took this path of being a creator online showing your photography your work. Do you think there was a lot of I don't know convention in there kind of like something external telling you how to be who you should be like ants up or where you always able to feel authentic to yourself. Yeah, I think at the start I was very authentic. myself and this kind of comes back to like what I've really just discovered her like rediscovered this summer is like when it started out like I to put it simply like it started out so innocent and just started out like basically my goal was to make enough money to not second have a second thought about going out to eat with my friends and being able to like buy a beer with it. Like I was kind of like my go like like originally and I just had the idea of doing weddings and like just like making it like that and and just cruising and hanging with my friends from there and then like Yeah, and then success like came quick and also just really shifted my mindset with it. And I was actually talking to my manager last night about it and like just just like reflecting a lot with him lately and I think a big part of it was it changed a lot of things there and to bring it back to the idea of stoicism is it like I kind of was not true to myself. I was not very self aware of what I was doing and with social media is just like this. It's like a big ego Fest. Sometimes and that's kind of where I was heading. It's just like I just kind of trying to build this image it like wasn't actually real, you know, as I said that like, I mean that's that's a whole thing. We could dive it but like it but like it was just this image of myself online that I wasn't really like stoked on I wasn't like to be to be the sense successful photographer, you know, but like I wasn't spending my time outside because that's where the started with like. I was just hiking I was just Outside like enjoying I was climbing a ton and like I just like never I wasn't doing that. I was focused on the emails the editing I had to do the next the next big job. Yeah, I just gotta I just got a reminder on my phone from the call map saying mindfulness reminder. So yeah, it was it was just like so that's kind of swear'st. ISM brought me to this summer. It was like it. I guess the best way to put like after that whole like shebang of all that stuff happening. It it put me in a place where I could look Beyond ego look beyond that like sheet. I was holding up and like actually see what was going on and also offered a place of extreme vulnerability with myself to where I'm like, okay, this sucks about me. This is This is cool about me. Like what am I actually doing? And then it brought me back to like what I would like what's truly like say assembly. Like I was right the first time like just enjoying the outdoors just being outside and and because that's what it started out with and then success myself Society like all of the that got in the way of just something that wasn't actually intrinsic to main room. So like bringing that full circle. It's Stoicism I mean I said earlier has really brought me back to what its intrinsic and in that like I said, I was climbing a ton back in like twenty fourteen and fifteen and and now I'm doing that again because I'm not chasing after this thing. That's not actually me and a big part of like one of my friends put it perfectly the Instagram and social media. Like when you go meet people it's like the school Community but in a day It's essentially just like a bunch of friendships. Like it's just like a bunch of one-night-stand friendships. Like you kind of just see people and then you leave like that's kind of you might see him for a week. And then you see him like a year and a half later or you see him for a few days. And then maybe you see him a few months later a few years later like it's not very consistent and and I when I was like honest with myself, I was like yo, I want like consistent friends. Like that's that's so lame, too. Did you just be building this online image to impress all these people and press all these people that are following you and it's just like I mean, it sounds as lame as it is like and I'm just like what the hell am I doing? And so in that? Yeah, it brought me back to Everett to Washington and I've been living here for 6 months with some friends now. I'm cat-sitting for my parents right now. Either way. That might be the loud noise. But yeah, and so it brought me brought me back to here and I started I've been climbing a ton again. I've been outside a decent amount. I want to be outside more but then getting back Outdoors hiking and then like within with climbing and stuff. I like have found that consistent community of friends like and that community of people where we hang out and like do brunches. We all got Mexican food last night. We're all going on a climbing trip to bend later. We've been to like climbing trips around here too and it's just like that's so much more fulfilling than than a number next to my name or a big paycheck and it's like that's what truly matters and like success is success is just like funny like that because it's just like you here societal success and it's like money girls cars whatever and it's just like no like I just want to go like climb rocks with my friends like like like that it just like enjoy their time have dinner and lunch with them and then just like it just do life with the was good people and like when you realize that success, it's just like life gets a lot easier like Like what I was doing when I was not focusing on that there was again like too much food in the fridge. My mind was in so many other places focused on so many things that didn't actually matter when it's like what I really wanted was just like right there like behind the milk, you know, it's just like is it was the very day I always use that I use this. I love the food in the fridge analogy like yeah. Yeah when I moved back here, I was just with my parents for a few months and The refrigerator broke upstairs, so they used my refrigerator downstairs. They like moved all the food in there to there. And so prior to this. I was really like I was really good about meal prepping and like not eating out and I was just like I was very like dialed and then like all of a sudden they moved all their fruit. They move too much food in my fridge and they like and I started like eating out like I started like my hands completely chai would like be like, oh my God, what do I make and I was just Dip the chips I can just like I feel like stopped. I stopped making food because there was too much information too much bullshit that I had to look at and it like overwhelmed me and I was like, it's like such a good analogy for life like too much food in the fridge because it's like I don't operate when there's too much detail. Like I like yeah, I like less food in the fridge like I like less Choice. Yeah. There's not much drugs men like this is this world of The internet like has its problems of choice, right? Like there's too much and there's a lot of Life beds of people say that they can help you get wherever you want to gear and it's not always fake promises. Like I do believe people do have the tools to either make you you know, like go down this rabbit. If you want to be a professional photographer filmmaker, like I get ejected, it's crazy like for you is photography something still there in your heart or have is that something that yeah. Yeah, and that's like the interesting thing was like Working out molten at now. Like I said, it's a really busy job and my job there is filmmaking. So I'm filming a lot and editing more and that's pretty much my job there and now like right now it's just super busy with holidays. So I once it slows down like hopefully I'll have more time to like actually practice photography because now it's cool. That photography is my own again to to not rely on a paycheck from it and to do not rely on like freelance work or her paycheck from it to to be able to just go and shoot like I haven't been shooting much but the times I've been shooting I've really enjoyed it's like when I go climbing with my friends like I'm shooting film like I don't have to bring my I've got enough to worry about what camera I'm going to brain. Like I can shoot for film with my friends on a little hundred dollar film camera and just enjoy the time with them have fun to creating those photos and That's really cool for me. It's a definitely like a different mind shift, but it's really cool to have haven't be my own a hundred percent again, like I do still want to do photo work. Like I want to like spend time. I like one thing I really learned this summer is not to like have an idea in Russian to a real quick like dwell on it. Take your time and see if you're see what ideas and feelings about stuff keep coming up consistently. And so I want to like really sit. And dwell and Define. Okay, like I'm going to move back into photo work. I know I want to do that. But how do I move in that and sustain it and not not burn out too much and keep my focus on on the right thing. Yeah, right. So like what's it for you? Like what kind of a drain you like through those years previous like to have where you are now with a bit more clarity. What's it really like doing things for? There's an and the YouTube thing that is is it that would drain you or was it something else? I'd say yeah, like when you put out especially when I did dailies Vlogs and stuff for a time and this is all like this is all kind of like a psychology kind of thing. I like it like a mind thing where it's just like you put you'll do dailies and then like all of a sudden you expect that people expect you to do dailies and like I couldn't keep up with that because you know, like I think that the dam of photographer I'm not a blogger and when that expectancy settles in those anxiety set in and like the pressure to perform and all this stuff and like that just kind of loaded up over the years and it's just like it leads me to May 20 19. I'm just like all this build-up all this pressure that doesn't actually exist. I've just built it up in my Own mind and I don't need to perform for XYZ. Like I just need to like do my thing like I think one of the things I talked about to my manager last night was like Hey, if we were to do this again, like I want to really talk about like what it would look like and I think a big focus is like I was worrying more too much about the business crap like worrying too much about the business stuff and like being an emails and all that stuff and I wasn't actually focusing on what my job. Title was which was a photographer. Like I was spending I was like I was a professional email ER and professional editor. Like I wasn't out shooting which is like that doesn't classify me as a photographer, you know, and yeah, this is like an honest observation of just like, okay. Well, yeah. Have you ever heard of renown ozturk? No. No, he's a he's a filmmaker. There's a really good film. Have you heard from Alex Honnold guy who did free solo. No, sorry. Okay. So now you're gonna you're gonna it was a film recently basically written on works at camp for Collective, which is a big filmmaking group that did free solo. Alex Honnold is the guy who David it's like a oscar-winning film that came as a climbing film but there's this really good video of both of them separate project they did where they went to this trip in the Alaska range and they were climbing and all this stuff and and Alex Like it's just a very interesting dude, like he's every decision. He's made. Has so much intention toward the same goal of his climbing career or as we're not on is like me. It's just like he really enjoys the idea of creating and all this stuff and he's really freaking good and he also liked as much like, I mean in the terms of Success commercial wise has great successes, like well beyond what I've done and but there's like these honest moments in this film of him being like because he started off as like a film Therefore climbing and he's got into all this other stuff. That's really good work like but it's really cool to hear his honesty through that be like, oh, like even he goes through all this stuff like even he goes through, you know, it started off doing climbing and he still outdoors and third world countries doing amazing work, but it's like what happened what what where did like that first love kind of go and so like bringing it back to that now, it's just like finding where that first love was climbing and And being outside and all that so crazy. I mean I love what you're saying because I think we are constantly sold them the idea of if if you leave like the lifestyle that you are leaving but I like traveling around the world and doing your passion like that. We see that and we assume that okay, everything must be all said once you achieve that level and it's Gracie, you know, like you're probably just gave some people and existential crisis because if there's a lot of yeah who might be searched. Yeah, and that's the Being like that was me and may like existential crisis like quarter life crisis. I was just like what the hell am I doing it like but because I didn't know there were tons of the building. Yeah. We have a special guest. It's not necessary. Hey, okay. Yeah. I'm doing okay. We had a bit of a Interruption real quick people were people had to fix my parents shower. I'm cat-sitting for them their York so minor Interruptions, no worries the yeah and so having an existential crisis. The quarter life crisis is the call it for me like it was so good because I'm the kind of person that like dwells too much. We're just like a flaw but like I it's like it's like a blessing and a curse by like dwelled a lot on I was just like very, oh I want I was like really examining. I mean that goes back to that quote like examine your own. Chance against her highest values and impacts your perception of its impact your behavior and the results of the follow. Like that's what I was doing 24/7. It's just like examining my motives and like all this stuff and like having that existential crisis like so so good. I think it's so important for everyone to have that because you either realize you're being honest with yourself and you're not like it's so insane how honest with ourselves. We are like to be self-aware as like the most important thing and I think a lot of people lack that and Yeah, so if you are sitting here having a panic attack right now, that's probably a good indication that you should be thinking about some things trust me, it's good. Yeah, it's crazy. But you know, like I was listening to this book that I love is called awareness and and these guys talking about how he's very conflicted because he's kind of like maybe more spiritual kind of guy not necessarily religious, but he's talking about the importance of awareness and really knowing ourselves and seeing ourselves from 1/3. Third person point of view almost and he says he was also a psychologist. So he said he had this conflict because he thought that psychologists believe the pain sometimes right or their mess. There is this type of therapies or even like, you know, like someone who gives you some advice that makes you feel good and it's crazy because that is a bit of relief where sometimes you do need to go through the suffering because there's something at the other side that will only be discovered through the suffering and this is not to say, you know, like he's always good to see this disclaimers. Like if someone is really struggling with something is important too because your professor stuff but those of us who suffer a lot but I don't know what types of things is not always a bad thing. Yeah. It's like yeah, there's there's a good quote. That's just simple and it's a good as a smooth sea never made a good sick Captain smooth cap. Yeah something something like that. She never made a good sir. or something like that and like is true like you have to like you need to go through all that the really crappy cease to really be good at navigating life and like as well the sun's coming out now man, all these all these changes and it's really good to like now that I've gone through this like rough season of life and like now life's like move and like it's good like it's in a good spot. Like I know there will inevitably be other rough seasons of life and but I'm a better captain now, like I know how to how to manage that and how to work through that so it's pretty sick. Yeah and it is teaches you a lot about yourself and a lot of introspection and that's where that part of journaling comes back in like you kind of just touch on that idea gained about the psychologist is like you Yeah, like you're able to look at your problems from an outside perspective. I guess third person perspective and that is closest to have one of the best one of the best things you can do. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I don't know like I want to know your oh, so you're European Union people who do want to pursue their passion and maybe people who do want to use creativity as a way to express themselves is is I don't know everything you went through like regarding like a YouTube creations and and everything. You went through. Is it is it something that you do recommend to people do you think it can be done? Right? I really want to know your opinion that sure I think it can be done. Right? I think you just have to be mindful and very self-aware like who you're doing it for it's just like sorry. I'm like so many like sounds going on. I'm trying to find a good spot. Like basically, I think it's you just have to use that to be doing it like true to you. Like that's the most important thing. I was listening to a podcast last night. Have you ever listened to finding Mastery I think is what it's called. And it's this sport psychologist and he hangs out with just like next level like top-of-the-line athletes pretty much and so one of the things it was interviewing me. Standing who was a surfer and Mick Fanning like won several World titles, like all this stuff like really amazing Surfer retired last year, but make was just talking about like like he asked the question have you like when you were up there on the podium like or like when you were when you were competing? Were you aiming for the podium? He's like, well, I thought I could make the podium most times but at the end of the day like I was just trying to compete with myself. He's like, you know the first time I competed For the world's it was like I finished fifth then I finished fourth and third and then second second and I was like, okay. Well if I'm going at this pace, I can probably get to one and he and like he's not thinking like oh if I can keep this up, I'm going to be Kelly Slater. Oh if I can keep this up, I'm gonna like win over my opponent. He's thinking about like, oh like if I can if I can be better than myself last year. That's all that matters. And then he won the next year. He was in first place and like that's such a Like such a hard perspective to keep and such a hard hard to keep in mind, but if you can keep that in mind, like that's what I'm trying to do with climbing like, you know, I'm climbing at a certain level and I'm like, okay cool. Like all these guys around me are like, you know climbing above my level, but I don't care like like I want to be better like deny was last month. So let's let's go from there. You know, I think that's the most important thing is just to focus on where you're at and and compete healthily with And so applying that to your question of just being like your social media and all that. I think there's a very healthy way to go about it. And like I said, I think one of my faults was I just got busy with all the all the food in the fridge. I was focusing on too many other things that didn't actually matter and what I really wanted was just like right there and so focusing on what's true to you is the most important And thing and if you're not focusing on it, it's going to it's going to get snuffed out by others. Like if you're trying to put on some facade or this or that like it's gonna get snuffed out. Like you can't number one like you're going to like low-key kind of hate life. And then number two like others will pick up on the fakeness of it. So there's really I mean like punching in the numbers so that doing the math. There's really no reason to do something other than Other than what's true to you? And yeah, it is again examine your own motivations against your highest value is blah blah blah like you can apply that quote to it again like the best clothes. So yeah that answer your question. I guess that's the roundabout answer. Alright the other little Interruption, but we're just testing a painfully to deal with adversity. Welcome to my life. It's just like like everything's just so Scrappy like I'm trying to rig it right now to stand stand my phone. I'll put the I'd drive a journal and some headphones. I'll send you asking you a picture of it as a pretty good little rig it work most of it but ya know so you said like he's kind of like this idea of being always honest to yourself and trying to find a way that works for you. What would your advice to people like maybe people who don't know whether it's the route that they want to go to is maybe like a freelance route where they can apply, you know, get our like being self-employed. This is a dream of a lot of baggage of wanting to be self-sustained fully like, you know, like depend on ourselves versus now that you say you have a job. What are the differences how have they impacted your life? Sure. Well, I'll start with the advice first. I think it's important to look ahead and ask why you're doing it. Like I said at the beginning it was about being outside and like, you know doing my own schedule and all this stuff and I I achieve that and it just all the busyness and all that got in the way and that's where I went wrong like where I just was focusing on too many other things that weren't actually that important to me. So as you as you contemplate doing freelance or as you contemplate doing whatever like have a set set of goal or like have Direction have a goal of mine because you can't score without a goal. We don't have tracks or going to wander off like have a mission statement and idea of what you want to be doing. That's really true and intrinsic to you like, you know being outside climbing. That's what I want to be doing. That's what I want to be shooting and photographing and just like outside and just this pretty dialed. It's a pretty dialed very simple explanation of what I want to be doing so find out for yourself, you know. And then yeah, the second part of that you asked about the difference between freelancing and having a steady job and I'm still settling into this study job. The steadiness is very nice. I won't lie. It is really really nice to have but I also won't lie in the fact that I really miss my schedule my own schedule like where I goes do whatever I want what I wanted like like I have to think like, okay tomorrow, we'll be filming all day like it's not it's not my day. It's like the Today and it's still relatively remote like for the most part is pretty free about like like I have to like like it's a big it's like a decent sized company and to be honest. There's a lot of food in their fridge like it's just like it's a little bit really overwhelming what's going on and that's it's been a good learning curve. It's a big learning curve is steep. There's a lot of information to learn blah blah blah, but at the end of the day it is a really cool. Cool opportunity to have steadiness and yeah, like it's and I'm still really fresh into it. So it's hard to give a good perspective of it. But I think the one the biggest takeaway so far as like, you know, it's nice to have someone give you a to do list versus I come up with your own as a freelancer, but also like it might not be The To Do List you want so so like being able to just like Suck it up and just do the work. Like I think that's a really good lesson for me lately. It's just too not just to like do it and not complain like even though it might be something I don't want to do like suck it up like you're getting paid to do it. And yeah, like it's a good it's a good lesson on perspective journaling has very sinner sinner me a lot and this is this time of realizing. Okay. I'm not a hundred percent in charge of my schedule or my life as much anymore, but it's also been a Ali good It's been a really good lesson on perspective lately. Like I don't know how much I can go into that because it's just like I don't want to talk about yeah, we won't we won't talk about that. But yeah, it's just like observations I've made but but it's also provided a lot of honesty and myself like, okay, what are my like again revisiting my values and stuff like that. It's like I have a lot more headspace to like think to I don't want to be worrying about the next paycheck or the next job. Like I know in two weeks I'm gonna get paid x amount and that's that's pretty nice when you don't have that as a freelancer, you know, you'll make good money one year and a fourth that the next as a freelancer. So just like it the setting this is really great to have so yeah, that's crazy. I mean, what would it take away from that is that it doesn't like there's this there's this quote like the Good life can be lived it under any circumstances, right? Yes, get it like the idea that you don't necessarily have to follow an external path of how things should be in your life in order for you to be in the moment and enjoy life as it is. I think that's what I'm taking from this because yeah, I mean I'm definitely sold on the idea of like being self-employed is a dream like that that is kind of still my dream. I've been doing a lot about it because of all these worries that it take a bad, but if anything is a good reminder of it doesn't really matter. Matter what the external circumstances are you can definitely find peace and calm in whatever state you are in life. And yeah, I know and that's really well said I think I'd have haven't really touched on that too much but that's a huge lesson. I learned aspect like The Power of Now like that book was so powerful for me. Like when I read that in tandem with listening to egos the enemy like that combination is insane because it just takes you like I mean ego is anything but accepting what's real right now and in The Power of Now is literally about accepting what alright snow and it's just like it's fascinating like reading those two books together because it taught me a lot about like yeah just being being present like actually I'd like being where I'm at being with the person I'm with being in the conversation breathing in the air like doing like sensation like appreciating the sensations that come with life like it it's crazy like and then there's there's very and I thought about this like at the time where I was at the as the years of when I was not Not that my head wasn't in the right place, but I was just like focusing on the wrong stuff not like what I truly wanted to be focusing on like there's very few times right like think back to and remember like, oh, I remember that moment and it was so president. Like I was so they're like like like one of the biggest most impactful moments. I remember I was climbing. I was hiking the enchantments and Washington and it was sunset. We were up like 8,000 feet with some Mountain like this crazy like peaked. I left and all this stuff as I taken some photos of my friend. I was just like man, this is crazy and I was like set my camera down for the first time in ages. Like I wasn't focused on taking a photo. I was just I was just fully focused on like there. I remember so many details out that moment. Like I remember where my friend was standing. I remember the Three Peaks in front of me. I remember the valley below me and it's just like I thought so much about that when I was reading those books and how much I lacked that and then now it's the it's different like especially with climbing. Like I think that's a really good way to bring you into the now because it's just like you're focusing on every little move and and the climbing and like that kind of stuff has such opportunity to practice mindfulness because you can climb like Way grades way below what you're doing and just like just like think about and be very present with the next hold you grab and like that's so much fun. Just a cruise on like low. Like it's just like mindfulness exercises. Like it's it sounds so lame sometimes like oh I think about how you cook your eggs and Flip Flip them like but it's just like it's kind of fun just like bring you right in at the now and you know, you can be on autopilot so much and and it's just that It's just not a way to live life and like you said like it's the now and the appreciation of the moment is accessible and happiness is accessible at any time. And I think that was one of the biggest takeaways from the summer from Reading those books. And yeah, I hope that section made sense, but I think okay, it's crazy. Remember get this thing like it's constantly we're always looking for the next thing. It doesn't matter what problem is going on right now is always about Filming it so that soon will be okay and everything will be okay soon that moment never comes at it but happiness keeps being postponed. Yeah, and I mean think about it like if you keep saying okay, the next moment will be okay the next to me a moment will be okay. Like when I get a like just cars fine when I get a better ones fine. Okay. You got the car. They've got the new car. Okay, like this house is okay, but when I get it when I get a bigger house all be fine and like blah blah blah like years later you're in your big house by yourself with your new car and it's just like what happened, you know, like like like that's like that perspective for me. It was crazy. It's like just think about just like, okay. Well if I'm only looking ahead to what's next like what like I'm always going to be doing this, you know, and so like taking myself out of that being like, okay. Well like what's now like, what's what's not what's next what is now and just like enjoying it for what it is like, yeah. I've like, I've really been trying to just not complain about anything and being mindful of not Because what difference is it going to make you know, like like oh this this job is so busy. Like what's going to change like, you know, like like that like my me ranting or India that like or like this client sucks like okay cool, like nothing's going to happen. So just like not complaining and just accepting it for what it is and viewing stuff with indifference and moving forward. Like I think that is like the best way to achieve now and on yeah. Yeah. Well, I know it's crazy. There are certain girls that yeah for sure. It's crazy and you know regarding your priorities in life. I mean priorities as a concentrated like I was seeing this idea of you have like say I mean, it could be with a few things but like the burner in the kitchen, you know, like the thing that he used to is it burner. Yeah, they're right. So like you have a certain amount of gas and you can only Delightfully, like two or three at the time and you have for it. This is the hole concentration and one is family when his friends. The other one is work and the other one is health and the concept is if you really want to excel at one of these in life, you have to turn off to and if you want to keep everything balanced you can have all four like at low, but you will never excel at anything. But yeah, I've heard that before and back then so it was friends family. Lee health and work. Yep. Okay. Yeah back when I first heard that like I was really focused on work and and I was like really fine with the idea. Like I remember this vividly actually and I was really fine was just focusing on work and health like as messed up as that sounds. Yeah. I mean, that's just that's literally ego right there like speaking like and now but then like I mean if you focus on those two things I mean congrats like you used to you found success in that and now you're in your house alone, like like, you know, I mean like it it's like like it's like what's it going to do for you at the end of the day, you know, like I my perception of time and money has been altered significantly in the past few months and understanding like like I've had a really really good years of freelance. In fact, my best freelance here was my worst personal life personal year and really Yeah, and then my Not only was my worst freelance year, but one of my lower freelance years was filled with a lot of personal growth and and the freelance year. I remember the most is my very first year is like, you know, I only made like double my star but I was working at Starbucks prior and I just made double my salary which at the time I was like Gaston like I was like, oh my God, like I'm actually doing it like it's his actually working out. But in retrospect it wasn't that much compared to other freelance years and but that was my favorite year because I was just gunning like I was enjoying it for what it was. I was loving a process and yeah, and that's truly what it is. Like if you you have to enjoy the process of stuff and if you're going to be successful, you have to enjoy the process and I think going back to that quote like finding success in work Finance success in health. I think that's important, but I'd rather have the full balance of this point like friends family health work because Like I don't want to be in my big house alone by myself. Like I think it doesn't matter unless it's filled with like people that you appreciate and like the real homies and you know doing lunch with your friends on Thursday nights and stuff like that. So it's just like like it's just it's to each their own but that's what truly matters to me, you know, like like my my understanding of money is a lot different now and Success has been very much redefined in that perspective. That means that it's really valuable. I think is it is idea of Seasons right? Like at some point in life you prioritize something then something else maybe and then at some point in life, you really want to have the balance of all those and I'm sure yeah the trick is to just be honest with yourself be like honestly, what do you value right now? Because it doesn't mean it's wrong if you want to have like one on full power and the other ones turned off like if that's what you want to do right now be honest with yourself and just yeah that feels He joins. Okay, like there's no judgment read only your own. Yeah, and it's again going back to that club examine your own motivations against your highest values blah blah blah like that is so applicable when you are shifting your focus just like kids because like it when if you like for instance, you're kind of putting the other three on the bottom like on hold and you're focusing hundred ten percent on the work. It's like, okay. Well I can make sure that work is worthwhile. Make sure what you're doing is actually like intrinsic to you and actually matters toward your highest values because Yeah. Oh, yeah going explaining that but like it's like this examine as you as you shift those focuses and I agree. I think I think what you said is really accurate is like it's Seasons, you know? Yeah, definitely. Is there something like about that whole stage like maybe when you were fully dedicated work, there's something about that you regret that he was usually spend differently or something that you learn from. I wish I would have focused more on what I enjoyed like I focused a lot on business stuff. I focused a lot on. that like the the business side and all that of Photography and like the personality side when like with YouTube and everything like a kind of became something I shouldn't have and then I wish I would have also done more activities that I enjoyed like climbing like I've being back in the climbing like it is so much fun. I guess so healthy for me to be in that state and be just enjoy it for what it is. I think that would have helped sustain and and brought me back to I think it would have. Yeah, I think it would have if I had a kept that in mind as I went along I think that would have helped sustain the crew the I don't want to say sustain the career. I feel like that's wrong. But I feel like I would have helped sustain my stability. I don't know if that's the right word. Maybe I get I guess it would help he's not burn out it would help me focus on what actually matters because like now that I'm around like friends and community and like I have that like my mind is a lot more like straight forward like I I can kind of I know my priorities and and like why I have them and blah blah blah like I forgot what your question was, but I think I was second. I think there might have been an answer but I remember it but balls that the say I don't regret any of it. Like I think the perspective I have now and the perseverance the perspective I have now and the person Fact that I'm still learning as I enter a new job and like all this stuff like I'm just learning so much. I'm so much about myself and so much about like the process and I'm really enjoying the process. That's the most important thing. I just wouldn't have this perspective. If I hadn't gone through all that and the appreciation for what I'm the appreciation for everything. I'm doing yeah, like climbing and photography. It's like it's like back in my 2014 again when I was just working at Starbucks. It's like that whole Drive is there again, it's just like whoa, like I really understand how value how cool my life was in a way like that's not coming from a cocky person. active I guess just gave me so much realisation of like well, I was really fortunate to I have my own schedule to be able to do what I do when I wanted and and why was I complaining that point so it is just like a really good perspective shifts. Yeah, that's cool. That's awesome. You know in case there's someone you know, like someone who has follow you along that process of you know, every YouTube video someone who has you know you to be designed and yeah, you know, I'm sure you miss Park people know. I mean, I'm definitely a case of that definitely inspired me. What would you say to those people? You know because I definitely see a bit of a closure of as he sending your life at least to the intensity that you were in YouTube and that kind of stuff. Like what would be your message for someone like that? Yeah. I mean it's cheesy but it's true. It's just like stay true to you. Like I said most important thing I'd say live by that Stephen are quote Covey quote. I said like just examine your own motivations blah blah blah like when you can apply that to everything you do. Do I think it I think it's a really good train track for you to like not get caught up and stuff. That doesn't matter. I guess other stuff would be like keep things simple don't complicate it. I'm really good at that at complicating things having too much food in my fridge and yeah like at the end of the day Just just make sure you're doing things for the right reasons and for yourself. I don't try to compete against your next door neighbor or your biggest enemy or the other photographer in your city. Like just do it for yourself. And as long as you're doing better than as long as you're finding success and the right definition of it for you. Like that's all that matters. It's all right. Yeah, I'm still figuring it out as well. So don't don't rush it. Yeah, it doesn't feel like we're in constant state of figuring things out and and it's yes. Yeah, they're like, especially you like even even like if you said that those points in YouTube like it. I definitely thought of you as someone very genuine and I do appreciate that because it's hard to find someone who actually gives you like calm and not not make you feel like you're missing out on little life that yeah, right, and that's that's what I want. Like that's such a good point too because it's just like with YouTube and social media like it's really easy to feel that and like at the end of the day like number one. Like you're not seeing all the backend stuff. You're not seeing them grinding out at coffee shops grinding it out on like like so much airplane travel like all the all the miscommunications and all the like all the other stuff like the food in the fridge that you have to deal with like you don't see that part of it and at the end of the day they have the same they have the same struggles you do, you know like and like as I'm talking on this podcast like I have my own problems to like, I'm not this very dialed human. I'm just self-aware like that's kind of what it comes down to and I'm constantly learning and so as you as the listeners like are looking at these people that are you know, traveling in Bali every other week or or doing these crazy things like at the end of the day, They probably have similar personal problems to you. They probably have this sort of that. Like the only thing they might have like a lot like a lot of the big time people. Like the only thing they have on you is money and like at the end of the day, does that really matter and the answer to put it bluntly as know like it really is doesn't like like have enough to get by and be happy and that's all you need. Yeah, truly awesome. Yeah. All right. So I think I think that would wrap it up. You find out anything you want to say? No, like I think I think you asked some good questions at the in there. And I think I would say kind of I think I should real off a few books people should read though. Okay, I think this is such a big reader so sometimes okay. So anything by Ryan holiday? Yeah. I'm I'm reading I read egos. The enemy obstacle is the way I'm currently reading his Stillness is the key which is his most recent one really good Stillness. Something like is Hidden heavy like I love I've been loving how he's written that book Power of Now probably the most impactful book. I've read all summer. Let's see not a book. But like I said earlier just Journal like it is just start and and do it. I'm on my third journal now, it's the best and then let's see if the Alchemist it's not a it's not a like. Stoicism book but it's just a really good story that I think as you read it people will apply it in different ways to their personal life. And then for a fun book, I mean the Hunger Games Harry Potter. I feel like I'm just like reading all the books. I didn't read as a kid that like most most kids read. So those ones too, but let's go. Um, yeah, most of all I just want to add one final recommendation. You didn't ask me to say this, but your Frog looks amazing. And thank you yet is a basic photography and the idea came from like when you go to an art museum, I think about when you're walking around you're not scrolling through your not like we're not looking at one thing looking at one thing looking at one thing moving like just moving on like that. Like you look stupid like you're not going to spend six minutes and argue scene. That's what you do on Instagram. It's like you know, he's like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah just draw heart doubled up that everything. Yeah, they love that. No. It's like that's the thing like as aren't you saying? You're not gonna like you'd be you look stupid if you just like walked in and spend like 7 minutes and just like look at everything real quick and cold a good so I wanted that that's how it is. That's how people do social media is just like scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll like like like and it's just like it's like fast food and I didn't want it to be fast food. I wanted to be like, okay. Well, I want to print out my work in a way that people can like sit there feel it out and just like take their time with it like and so it's also another way I did it is in collections. So Instagram like it has have the carousel feature, which is cool. But it again you're still kind of just swiping and viewing a single image every time it's still not viewing a collection as a whole and I think there's something so valuable about that like when you look at people's blog posts or When you look at print it out photographs, like there's something so different about viewing a physically and and in a collection. So that was the point of this book really is to it's like a hundred fifty some pages. I have some of my writing in there as well as some friends writing and it just collections of some of my favorite images and like it'll be collections like a collection that works together, but like the photos are from a different years different locations and Then it's like some are like totally all the same day. Same location. Same person like is completely varies. That was like the fun part about it. Like there was really no guidelines for me. I just kind of like went for it and just kind of created something that I really enjoyed looking at and it's got a lot of good feedback and the one thing I encourage you to do with it is just like take your time through it. Like I got this message from someone. They were like, yeah, I got through the first 40 pages of your book last night and I'm planning. They're like look at some more tomorrow and I was like dude like you're really sad that I like that made my day to hear. Someone was like look who actually like sitting there looking at the work and being like how does how does it feel to me? How do I perceive this collection? Because it's going to be super different from me to everyone else like my feelings are attached to those as well as I know that people the time like like where I was in life and like if you view it it's going to be something completely different because you don't you don't have those connections you don't have It's really it's really cool to like like I've talked to some friends about it and they're like, oh here's what I felt from this. I'm like sick like wasn't expected that but like it is it's just cool man, like so that's the point of the book you can get it on shop catalog. Okay shop catalog.com. I think there's worldwide shipping. So yeah, I appreciate any support and snow you just put so much passion into it and you can just feel it like it's very genuine and I think it was like I spent like two or three hundred hours on it like earlier this year just like my computer editing 24/7. So cool. I'll put that in the description after all the whole Spiel and social media and that kind of stuff where can people find you either way. Yeah. Yeah and like I guess it's a preface this like I don't think social media is a bad thing. It's just how you use it and how you perceive it. Yeah, but you can find me Andrew T Kearns on Instagram and on. On YouTube. I think it's Andrew T Kern's Vlogs. Yeah, and then I'll be on the moment Channel a lot more at moment. I think as their YouTube at moment is their Instagram. You could find their YouTube through that should probably know I work there are other YouTubers channels. But yeah, I'll be I'll be doing a lot more on there right now. I'm just doing a bunch of product stuff, but hopefully it'll move into more like educational stuff. Like that's the hope and that's the goal some. Fingers crossed. Okay. Awesome. And thank you for being here. Really appreciate it. And yeah, yeah. Thank you, man. Thank you for having me. Read so that was the interview really. Hope you enjoyed it. I want to thank again Andrew for his time. It was such a cool experience for me after being a fan of his work after all the moments. He has inspired me to be a photographer and and to create more I just found this experience super cool. So I highly recommend reaching out to people you admire and you know, like having a conversation but because they're such an amazing opportunity to just have a conversation with someone and hopefully help people in the way like if these podcasts impacted you somehow let me know. It really helps to know what is resonating with you. And what can I produce more of and what type of people you might want to have in the show now that I'm trying to combine philosophy and creativity. So yeah any feedback really helps her feel free to contact me either through Instagram or my contact page on my website. But yeah, that's about it. I also encourage you to check out you starting YouTube channels Andrews Andrews YouTube channel as well as his Instagram. His work is amazing if you have a chance. I would encourage you as well to get his Photography book. This is not sponsored. But I just really believe in his work and I think he has put so much effort into it. So yeah, I highly recommend that and yeah, finally I would really appreciate it. If you have a chance to review the podcast either in apple podcasts or anywhere you can write reviews it really helps and and yeah, that's about it. So that would be much appreciated follow me on Instagram for daily philosophy quotes that I'm doing at the moment and yeah, feel free to reach out. I would love to I know what you're thinking about the podcast any any questions you might have anything you would like me to expand on or any subjects. You would like me to talk about. Yeah. Thank you so much again for your attention, and I'll see you next week momentum, Buddy. Bye.

Andrew Kearns' YouTube Channel Andrew's Instagram Moment YouTube Channel If you have a change support Andrew by getting his photography book How Does It Feel? A Photo Journal by Andrew Kearns (not sponsored in any way, I'm just a fan of his work) Hey There this is Santi welcome to the podcast,  Today I had the honor of talking to one of my all time favorite photographers. Someone who's work I looked up to for years. His name is Andrew Kearns he's been a YouTuber for many years and has created a large following online sharing his amazing photography and videos. If you are not familiar with his YouTube channel or Instagram, I highly recommend you have a quick look before listening to this episode, just so you have an idea of the impact of his work. I recently came across one of his latest videos where he discussed a lot of changes going on in his life. He mentioned Stoic philosophy and in that moment I sent him an email asking him to be on the podcast. In these episode we discussed Andrew's introduction to Stoicism, we also touched topics like: - the downside of online success - social media - hustling culture Stoicism as well as the advantages of being a creator who relies on philosophy to guide ones decisions through life. Andrew also mentioned how an existential crisis can help you gain clarity. If you've been a fan of Andrew's work, it's awesome to have you here. I am thankful to Andrew for all his honesty throughout this whole conversation, it felt like talking to an old friend. If you've been following Andrew, I believe this is a great update on his life and I believe there's a lot of good advice for creators and people who want to follow their passions. Hope you enjoy the interview Show Notes 4:00 The link of creativity and philosophy. 6:00 Differences between self-help and philosophy. 8:00 Being honest with ourselves when we notice we are projecting a certain lifestyle. 9:00 Andrew's intro to Stoicism. 10:00 The importance of daily journaling. 13:21 quote from The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People:  "Examine your own motivations against you highest values because they impact your perception which impacts your behavior and the results that follow." -Stephen R. Covey 17:00 Social Media can easily turn into an ego fest. 22:00 The dark side of success. 23:00 Paradox of choice, too much food in the fridge. 26:00 Reflecting on how to make work sustainable. 33:00 Embrace the existential crisis 34:00  “A smooth sea never made a skilled sailor.”  ― Franklin D. Roosevelt  38:00 How to be a creator online, in an authentic way. 50:00 The uselessness of complaining. 50:30 The burners analogy. How to balance aspects of our life such as: - Health - Family - Friends  - Work 53:00 Enjoying the process.

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I know what it is. But you know parachutes a Home Essentials brand we make all sorts of cozy comfortable products from sheets duvet covers robes towels. We also make some baby products, but really anything that you can start and end your day with that's going to make you feel more comfortable and more relaxed. We'll make it So between your first job to parachute, what was that path? Like and then how did you have this moment of I'm going to start a Home Essentials brand. That's that's a loaded question. So I didn't really follow a conventional path. I had a lot of different jobs over that period of time I started I was living in New York. I started in PR doing fashion & Beauty PR. I worked for a few different agencies. And then I decided that wasn't for me. There were a lot of things that I liked about PR and a lot of the storytelling and getting to connect with other small Brands, but ultimately wanted something different ended up moving into an advertising type role which I found to be more creative and more interesting and then decided I'd like had no idea what I wanted to do. So I went back to grad school, but the thing that was happening on the like behind the scenes was this love for home and interior design, so I started Interior design Home Design blog when I was I guess wrapping up my first PR Gibran 2007 so early blog time they weren't that pretty and but really it was just a creative outlet for me and a place to analog my interests and passions and I was helping some friends in the city decorate their apartments and having them photographed and featuring them and it was really fun. And so that continued as I then continue my professional career with Which after grad school ended up at a big Ad Agency where I was for almost five years and I've just always been a home enthusiasts. And so in that process, I became the super consumer which helped to inspire parachute. So I guess there's two different things. There was my career in advertising which I had four or five years at digitas Big agency here and I was on the Strategic side of creative. So doing a lot of consumer Behavior research really thinking about how to build Brands how to inspire people and I loved that and then I was doing this kind of side gig of pretending to be an interior designer and in 2012. I sort of hit a roadblock and was feeling less inspired at work wanting to do something more entrepreneurial wanting to have a bigger impact and had this moment of you know, what if I could emerge my interests of Home Design and brand building and connecting with people and this is around the time that the direct-to-consumer landscape was really shifting. NG and I was seeing these Brands start and like gained momentum and like worry Parker and ever Lane and I was so inspired and as a consumer as look at this is this makes a lot of sense to me and realized there wasn't anything in the home space and one thing after another I decided that parachute was a concept that I wanted to follow really believed in so when you started parachute and you saw this void in the marketplace, I try and find voids all the time and my spare time. I'm like, what's what am I going? When events? Yeah that no one has done. How did you sort of begin to understand that it was a void in the marketplace? So I mean this is a category where people historically have pretty much entirely shopped offline. They're 90 percent of purchases were being made offline. So there wasn't really this digital world for Home Products. And then when I took a step back and looked at this home category, I realized that your bedroom is such an intimate part of your home and you spend a third of your life in bed. bed and sleep impacts everything and so you know as I started kind of running through different scenarios of what to start and how to get into people's lives and how to create a brand and build trust the bedroom kept coming back to me as a perfect place to begin because I felt like you could create loyalty and there was this ability to mix that the physical products with this, you know, Wellness component and a more sleep centered brand and I realized that there had never been a brand of sheets that had ever asked me how I slept at night and that felt like such a big missed opportunity to connect deeper with people and create a product that you know wasn't just something that you're going to take out of the packaging and then forget what it was and not have any you know relationship with so, I mean, I a lot of research and a lot of a lot of tireless nights, but you know, ultimately it seemed like that was a really great place to begin so clearly because you had PR experience advertising and branding and then you found this void you didn't You don't have some of the struggles that some women have when they launch companies if they don't have PR branding background. So I'm curious to know like what were your obstacles? Oh my gosh. So many so yes, I have branding and marketing and you know, I had this Vision but the you know, really the nuts and bolts of business were a huge mystery to me. I mean, I had never had never worked in an inventory based business. I had never made products before I knew what I liked. And I knew what I didn't like and I Kind of strong opinion around what Aesthetics I wanted to kind of capture but the actual making of a product was new to me how to buy a product how to bring a product in from Europe because I had decided, you know, very early on that. I wanted to manufacture in Europe because that was where this quality and Heritage and I felt like I could build trust there, but I also am horrible at Excel and and math and you know, I mean there was there were a lot of things that were really in over my head. I mean I had such a crash course in building a business and to be honest. I'm still learning all the time. But yeah, I mean I definitely had a part of the puzzle, you know where I felt some confidence, but I think you know when I think back to those days my confidence levels were pretty low and I was also very naive which I think is, you know, sometimes your greatest gift when you're starting a business is not really knowing and understanding the complexity of what you're getting into because if I knew what I we would ride Run, I would never you know, and there's like no chance that I would have left my job and you know a salary and you know, I had all sorts of totally, you know off expectations of what this was going to look like. So I'll never forget when I didn't pay my first electrical bill. I didn't think anything could actually happen to and till these Teamsters showed up like shoe huge like men that were triple my size know like we're not leaving until you give us a joke for the electricity like maybe I should have Take working. Yeah longer just a little I mean I thought I was going to be able to leave my job and I had this great idea and I would move to LA and I would raise money and I'd be able to pay myself a salary and you know, I just continue to build this business and then we would launch and it would become and it was just so off base like what a hilarious Vision that I have. I mean, it could not have not happened more like that. So but I mean thank God for that, you know naivety because I would never have I would never have done it. That's right. So did you start fun? Thing right away. I started meeting with investors pretty early on I did not was not able to raise money until after I launch the business. So I took meetings where I could and I had friends introduced me to people and I you know, I thought there was a world in which I would get some pre-product Capital because I was sort of on the cusp or that was still happening a bit and more common, but I but yeah, no people were not as excited to give me money as a first time. Entrepreneur without having product without having any sort of product Market fit and so but the meetings were helpful and they actually helped, you know me think through you know, what does progress look like and you know, people would say, oh, this is a great idea and you seem really cool. But let's see some let's see you get a little bit further and so I built relationships with people and some of whom actually did end up investing quite a bit later, but it was helpful money also would have been helpful, but it was a helpful experience. So, Did you launch it with that like we launched and you know, we couldn't get a loan, you know, my brother mortgage his house. He maxed out his credit cards. So we waited seven years before taking and funding. So how did you bootstrap it in? The beginning used the small amount of savings that I had. I also borrowed some money from my parents and had two friends that ended up giving me a small investment and then I actually which took me I mean it was under $30,000 at this point of what I had. Add which was helpful for a building a website basically and not much more and then I ended up joining an accelerator program. So that was what I was able to give me the money to then buy our first batch of product and accelerators and incubators are great for people that are pre-launch. Although some now require you to have launched a product. I mean, there's a lot of different types of of these programs that you can join, but for me as a first-time founder and as a sole founder at with zero team It was great to have a place to go and so I joined accelerator called Launchpad and they gave us they gave me a check which went into my bank account one day and immediately left the next day to buy product. Isn't that the worst feeling it was one day but it also like you know as these things happen and it happened like I needed to get that order placed, you know ASAP. Otherwise, I wasn't gonna have it in time and so it all sort of worked out. But yeah, it was a very it was very fluid movement. That's just in and out. And out and so then I launched and you know, we because of my background in PR and marketing. I really believed in having press as I knew that press was gonna be really important for that launch moment. And so I invested in having some PR assistance and as a result, we got this huge amount of press and that was really helpful with getting sales and then I was able to subsequently raised some Capital quite fast, and so I'd love to walk have you walked He threw the minute of you launch. You have a website when it became live and no longer like private. What was that moment like totally surreal. I mean one of the most exciting moments and it had been a lot of work and I couldn't really believe that it was happening. I mean at this at this point also still just me so, you know, the first few weeks we had sort of soft launched and I had you know sent it to my friends and ask them to send it to their friends. And for the first I was a the first few weeks. Free this press moment. I could kind of connect the dots of who everyone was purchasing and you know, it was like six degrees of separation at most but then you know, and I was basically packing boxes all night. I was working during the day and then at around midnight, I would stop and pack boxes until 3 a.m. 4 a.m. And then get back to working and then this press moment had and all of a sudden we went from, you know to three orders a day to 30 in our first day and then 40 and you know kind of tapered off after the mmm. Initial press buzz, but it was amazing. And so, you know, then all of a sudden UPS was coming and needing, you know, these like bigger carts to take out the boxes and it was really cool. I'll never forget those moments. I'm still nostalgic about those moments. Yeah, like when I was shipping my first order to a big department store. I have my fifth floor walk-up and the UPS guy was like, I'm not bringing those boxes down five stairs. Yeah. I was like, oh fuck. I mean we are first round the first batch after I launched the first That went out were mostly based in LA and I drove them to everyone's houses myself because I wanted to save money on shipping costs total and spend three days in the car, which was like so dumb but fun. I remember one person who was like who I knew who had been sort of an advisor Leon was like my husband called me was like we got this girl showed up wearing heels to drop off this box like this. Did you order like what is going on? And she was like, yes the startup life. That's What you do? But yeah, then you know, it was similar. I mean I had a storage unit because I didn't have a place to put them and I would go there and I like perpetually had these bruises on my arms and legs from lifting heavy boxes. And I was those the full was a full situation. So being that you are one person doing it all I empathize with you because that was my me with my brother on like my call a friend for help every once in a while. What is it like now going from that to now obviously you have a team had to use Of make sure that you keep the original values or or not of what you started with now a team that's been super important to me. The the culture of parachute is something that I think about every day. It's you know, probably what keeps me up at night most is making sure that we do have values that are really strong and that we are building an environment that people love to work in and everyone works hard and but it's really all about the people and I think customers can see that to I mean, I think there's so much about your brand that comes through. Through all the people that are creating it but the it's been an experience. I mean bringing we're now a team of about 50 people and our HQ and it's been great. I mean hiring people that are smarter than you and more talented than you and can help with, you know, a lot of the different parts of the business that you're not the best at. I mean, it's amazing. I mean I've learned I learned something new every day for my team and I think that's what building business is all about. I mean when you launch a business you're in the business Is a problem solving and solving like big challenges. I mean that that never goes away. I don't imagine ever being the well-oiled machine that doesn't have to solve problems. Like I mean, that's what you do. And so making sure that you're surrounded by people that also love to solve problems is really important. I think it's a great way to look at it because I feel like some people including myself and I had to disabuse myself of this idea that like at some point you get to Coast or just a becomes easy and then you like me that's that's actually never going to happen, but that's What business is right? It's like you said it's problem solving there was definitely a moment probably two years in where I realized that this was only getting harder. It actually wasn't getting easier. And I think I also expected there to be the switch where all of a sudden it felt like we had gained some momentum or all of a sudden it entered this phase where it was just going to get easier and that's never happened. It's really only gotten harder. But also more fun. I mean it's like the problems get bigger to solve and like My point like we're in the business of solving problems and and that's what's fun and rewarding and exciting but it's not easy. Like it's definitely not easy. So one of the things you also decided to do which probably made it even harder was you were direct to Consumer online only at and then you launched to Brick and Mortar stores. What made you want to go offline? Yeah. So now we actually for for okay. Well, I'm we're opening a fifth and a few weeks. Jeez. We're right. No, we're that's why we're all about the retail, you know for me. I it's really so much about connecting with people. We view ourselves and have always viewed ourselves as a relationship business not a transactional business. The transaction is so secondary to the way that we're trying to build which is really thinking about connecting with people and adding value and and so there's a part of that that is just so it's so different offline when you're actually face to face with people people can see our products and then, you know goes back. Back to the way that our products were pastora clear purchased offline. And so I think our products are pretty amazing and they're really soft and they feel great and they're beautiful and we we've been able to create these environments that are so inspired and really help bring our products to life in this physical environment. I think we're not a traditional home store, you know, it's not this big huge multi-floor experience that where you're asking 25 people were the products are before you find them, you know, we're creating these and very intimate places that kind of feel like you're in a home and then there a way for us to get our products out there and for people to feel them but also we host events and do workshops and really kind of make it this living breathing cool place to be so now that this, you know direct-to-consumer and Home Goods has sort of become, you know, there's other players in the space. Now, how do you make sure your message still is different and that you offer different value proposition to Customers they know not to go to others that we will not name. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a huge part of the business is educating your customers and being really focused. I think one of the things that I learned from my background and branding and in marketing is how important a clear point of view is and having a real message and staying consistent and true to that message even as you grow and expand and for us that means entering new categories and launching a lot of new products, but you know, it's all about quality. For us and you know consistent quality cohesive story telling now that we're spending money on different marketing channels. We really try to invest in marketing channels where we can tell our story and where we can give people information so that by the time they land on their site they know what's different about us and they know why they've arrived and what they can expect but that's a continued. I mean, that's something that we focus on everyday is how do we how do we differentiate? You know, how do we maintain this freshness while appealing to our You know, both are returning customers and expanding our customer base so that we're continuing to grow and evolve and I think what's so great about being a digitally native brand is that you really know who your customers are and we've invested so much in those feedback loops and listening and really growing with our customers not you know, we're trying to build a brand that people don't grow out of people really grow with and I think that sets us apart. I think you said something that most people just assume is normal. But like know who your customer is because some people think that their customer can be everybody and it's really not know. It's segmented. It's specific and that can be a lot of segmented specific people. But trying to like cast The Wide Web and then wonder why you're failing. Yeah. I mean, I think it's really important to to know who you're talking to and how they like to be communicated with and you know, we joke that everyone sleeps and everyone showers. So like yeah, everyone could be our customer, but when I when we come down to you know, How were communicating and who the parachute customer is and what our voices it is really important to be specific and then to be consistent and so people know what to expect and I think you know because there is a lot of competition and because there's a lot of noise in general and the market building a brand that people can trust is so important but you can also lose that trust so quickly so really, you know being very careful and thoughtful about how you know, you're evolving I think is critical. So one of the Things I love this womb-like environment to be shared in is struggles or moments of like I don't think this is going to happen or moments of not making it would do you have any stories like that? Yeah kind of this one's actually, you know, I mean, I think there's been so many highs and lows throughout this process, you know, there's been moments early on inventory was a big struggle for us. We just I just didn't have the experience of how to purchase it accurately and so we were in and out of stocks sometimes Going through products before they even arrived those were some really hard moments early on because I felt like we had failed our customers and we had you know, if we didn't have inventory for three four months, you know, would anyone ever come back? And so that was certainly really challenging and just really I mean, it's frustrating, you know, it's sort of like a good problem to have if you think about the problems you can have but when you're growing and when you so want to give people a good experience and you can't it's just sucks, you know. Fundraising is also not always come easy. There's been highs and lows there and that's a process that really takes me away from the business. You know, it's also a process where you learn so much about how to run a business but you know, there's certainly been moments where I'm like are we going to not be able to do this and close around and is the business can have to fold and I mean those those are real fears that have happened, you know, I've also struggled with you know personnel and you know team growing and growing changes and out growing spaces. I mean So many but it really makes you stronger as a leader and I think how you approach those dark moments and how you them move through them is really valuable and I feel like this is becoming a theme but like problem-solving become so important and you know being resilient is really important. I think when you when you're doing something that you truly love there's this Silver Lining that is kind of present, you know, at least has been for me even in those darkest moments. It's like I do have something to really be grateful for I get to wake up. Up everyday and be surrounded by people that believe in this passion of mine and this idea that started from nothing and so it's time to just get up and figure it out, you know, and I think it's okay to have moments where you want to give up and scream and you feel like it's just over and then you know, but if you can see through and see through to that, you know gratitude it's make you can find a way out of it and just as a note you could have those moments every day where you want to give up. Oh my gosh, literally every day and I do I think that's like No, it doesn't go away totally and that's the craziest part about being an entrepreneur is at the highs and lows can happen in a moment of five minutes. I mean, you could literally feel like you're on top of the world and then two seconds later feel like you're about to lose it and then somehow managed to feel great again, you know, it's this roller coaster of emotion and I think that's why in some ways being entrepreneurs is so exhausting, you know, there's the manual labor. There's the like hustle there's those tireless nights, but the emotional you know up and down is Is a really exhausting part of the business that I don't think a lot of people give credit to or recognize it's a lot it's a lot to be always on. It's a lot to be that you know backbone and to really push through and and have a brave face like also when other people are doubting you so what do you do to relax after those moments, you know, I've definitely especially in recent times have have tried to focus more on self love and care, you know. Funny because we're business that talks a lot about getting a good night's sleep and resting and taking care of yourself. And we really do as a company try to practice what we preach and and that way I mean, it's it's it's important that our team has a life out of work and that, you know, people are getting inspired by the beach and living outside of our four walls. I think I've never been one of those people who thinks that you need to work at all hours of the night in order to be successful. I think you can be really productive during a normal work day. But for me, it's working out. I like to work out as often as I can almost every day yoga on the train. I mean I'd kind of mix it up, but I need to get a good sweat in it's also like good time to just not be able to pick up your phone, which is helpful. And for me, I like need I need forcing functions around that because it's hard to put it down. It's hard to stop and turn off. I've started meditating in the past year sort of late to that game, but it's been helpful. I actually recently just started doing Breathwork classes which are totally new experience to me, but I've been really helpful. So I mean taking personal time a walk around the block fresh air, you know, it can come in different forms, but I do think it's important to disconnect and and to be kind to yourself totally so you have a mantra called you belong here tell me about this. That is something that I actually it's been in my life for like 10 years. I had I got it Annie. Neon sign on my wall in New York when I lived in New York that said You belong here and for me, it's just about the moment and let being present and being grateful and and recognizing that your sword in the right place at the right time and like it's very simple, but it's it's nice and and having it on my wall actually at home. I feel like has been such a warm and like comforting thing to see when you walk in the door for friends and family, and we had a recreated at my wedding. That's awesome. Yeah. So one thing I like to get out of everyone that I interview is something that we'd be surprised to know about you. Let me personal can be work. I've had all sorts of people sharing different things. I and my past life. I was a classically trained opera singer. Whoa, that's crazy. Did you perform at I performed my entire life? I've wanted to be a pro. I went to school to be a singer. Wow. That's awesome. Now, I just do karaoke. Key, listen, when I do karaoke, I sound like Yoko Ono so I appreciate anyone that can sound good. It's that's fun for me. So what are the other reasons why I started this podcast was to give actionable advice to my listeners as there as they're listening to this. What is something you would love to share as a great advice that someone can take I often say because I think it's something that I continue to remind myself every day is don't sweat the small stuff. I think it's so important. Until you can be your own biggest. You can be your biggest Advocate, but you can also be your biggest hurdle and roadblock and progress and so for me learning how to let go of perfection how to let go of this idea that I had to be right all the time. I mean, it's just it's been so helpful and so, you know not letting these ideas of what it should be or what it needs to be getting the way and really focusing on progress and moving forward is really Hopeful yeah getting rid of the egos are real. Oh gosh real good one it's and that's one of those things that you always are working. Thank you for being here. Of course. That was Ariel K. You can find out more about her brand at parachute are of you today is from Mommy to l and H. I discovered this podcast after I heard you as a guest on another podcast that I listen to I loved hearing your point of view on different topics. So I subscribed here. I'm a stay-at-home. Mom of two little boys 3 and 5. I'm an older mom. 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Bed. We spend a third of our lives there, and yet oftentimes, our beds, or what we put on them, become somewhat of an afterthought. Ariel Kaye sought to change that. After spending some years in advertising, Ariel came to a point where she was looking for more excitement, and more of a direct way to connect with people. She had always been passionate about interior design and home goods, going so far as to maintain her own blog on the subject in her free time. As she was pondering a change in career, it dawned on her that there were little to no direct to consumer options for bedding. That is when the idea for Parachute Home was born. Now in its fifth year and about to open the fifth brick and mortar (! ), Ariel fondly recalls the early days when she would drive around in her car, delivering orders directly to buyers in Los Angeles. Growth and success have come with their own challenges. Here Ariel discusses entrepreneurial ups and downs, what makes her passionate about her company, and how at the heart of it all it’s really about building relationships. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas The changes that come with viewing your business as relationship-based rather than transaction-based. [15:56] The invaluable importance of knowing your customer base well and growing with their needs. [17:27] --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Hello and welcome to episode 131 of the secret life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa. Hello. That was so fancy. I gotta and hello fancy Rebecca. What is in the news in the wedding's world this week? You'll see why I did that now. Okay lady Kitty Spencer Princess. Diana's nice 29 is engaged to Michael Lewis. Who is 6000. Hello. According to global news lady can see any concealer kit. Ladies Kitty. I love that. Her name is Kitty. I'm not gonna lie. I was like fucking love it - Rob don't interrupt don't interrupt lady. Kitty Spencer is heading down the aisle the Model 29 who is the late Princess? Diana's nice is engaged to her much older boyfriend. Michael Lewis 60 the pair have been together for over a year according to the Daily Mail Louis. The question right before the Christmas holidays Last Summer the couple made their romance public when they took a trip to the Hamptons together Lewis who is five years older than Spencer's father. Nice. Nice job reporter. Earl Charles Spencer is a South african-born English. Businessman. He currently serves as chairman for the South African retailer. I can't even say that frostini fashi knee. Yeah. Yeah Spencer isn't the only real connected family member to get engaged in the past few months Kate Middleton's younger brother James recently announced his engagement to longtime girlfriend. Elysée elysée elysée. Probably Elysee. Anyways, they're super cute. I saw their picture. I'm amazed. Yeah. Yeah, so massive discrepancy in ages there. I'm a little yes, I am judging your like. I'm just gonna commit to this. I'm fucking judging. I don't care. I don't care. You know what my parents were ten years apart. I'm totally cool with that. You know I can even Maybe get behind 20 years apart for sure. Yeah. Okay. Okay, but this is ridiculous. How many years is this 30? That's a whole adult that's a whole adult. Like straight out of the vagina born grown-up has a house adults and Got Married Too Young got divorced has two kids am an adult. What the fuck? Okay. I'm just you know what everyone can shit on me if they want. I don't care if this I don't kill us. I'm going to say one thing. I don't think she's marrying for money. Right? Probably bling bling bling bling probably not. Oh, I may be rich but then there's this guy rich and Lee. I want to be back Irish. She's Princess Di's nice and she's a model. Yeah, of course. She's not marrying for money. He'll well, that's why point so she must really like the guy well, good luck to them. Yes, and please come to our group because I really need to know what everyone's thinking about this. Especially our friends over there. I want to know what y'all think about. But the Megan and Harry announcement, I'm uh, I'm clapping for them. Yeah, I think that's amazing that they're doing their own thing good for them. Okay, but they're not I mean, they're kind of like keeping their toes in the in the water and the Royal real pool how so what do they do? Well, no because they're like, they're like, we're not going to do that anymore. We're going to move out on her own and become financially stable. They're going to work towards becoming financially stable. So what after they take all the Royal money to buy their houses and everything. Look at you digging deep into the Earth. I'm not judging on this at all. I'm just curious how you still what do you mean you work towards become financially independent. I mean here he has to find a job and there's not a ton on his resume right now. He does he was I know Soldier was a soldier but I mean other than being you know the soldier. He's like you imagine you get just this job interview, you know, you're like on office manager in Toronto and gives I'm Prince Harry. I'm Chris. Yes, but Harry, can you work a photocopier? We get jams a lot. I'm Prince Harry. I would like to know if he knows how to make a grilled cheese sandwich. That's all oh or coffee. Yeah, because I bet the man's never made a coffee in his life. Like a good old-fashioned pot of coffee serious. I'm curious just how pampered the royal family is. And this is all to say I really actually like Harry quite a bit. I do too. Oh my gosh. Yes, I tease them. I think they're great. And I know people shitting on her saying that she's estranged from her family. So now she's trying to make him a strange house only. Give me if I don't think that has anything to do with owl. I'm just I'm genuinely curious what exactly they're doing and What you know the consensus is over there the concern that I read was that apparently because now this is where it gets interesting because they're looking at moving to BC in Canada. Yes, because they are ipps which is internationally protected persons. Yes. We as a government are Canadian government is obligated by law to protect them with private security services and that apparently that could cost our taxpayers a lot of money so I would say That I'm not okay with that. Well, I don't think a lot of people would be that and then I want them to die or anything. Like if it's a week visit cool will roll out the red carpet for you will give us some extra cops. You know, here you go. So I wonder how much it cost them because they stayed here for six weeks over Christmas. Interesting. Now, here's the thing if that could be subsidized by a private payment from the couple great. Yes. That's our hair that I would say wrote like do attacks do it like a royalty living tax be like if you want to live here you have to pay for your privacy 30, isn't that that's like till I think they do that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way it should be Lisa for prime minister. I mean, I think you're going to get shit on for saying that but for Lisa for prime minister, no. For saying that they should have to pay for their own security. Oh great know if they if they're here for a long period of time, of course, they should I mean that's just common sense. Yeah. Why should that fall to taxpayers? I don't think Harry would do that. I think he'd be like, oh shit. I didn't know where that came from. Does anybody live? Let me get he was a soldier. He's like fuck that shit. I got this. I'm gonna karate chop y'all. Here's a 20 hope that helps. All right, so why don't we why don't we jump into our fight Tibbits fucking bug is Lush advice corner? Yes, alright. So we have an email from a listener. She needs our help. So let's figure it out with her. Okay, SOS photography question emergency. And if there's anything were qualified to deal with its photography question emergencies, and they don't if they don't they don't come up a lot in life, but when they do come up just I got this we got this we're here for you. Oh my gosh, Rebecca and Lisa. I need your advice as professional photographers. Love the photographer. I hired for our wedding, but I really hate the way my engagement photos turned out that stuff. We never hear this never right never being sarcastic just to just from our own clients know FYI, not from Mars, but from other is this a lot in groups. Yeah. I think the photographer is nice fun-loving and we have a lot in common. We would be friends if we lived in the same area of the world and I like how this photographer edit some Not all of his / her photos but talked through in advance my preferences upon hiring. Okay, so it's like, you know, she's set she said expectations the photos are okay, but I do not feel pretty in fact, I'm sober but look drunk in the pictures that we took inside before going out on the street because all of the shots have me mid blink or looking super puzzled waiting for him to Give me a cue of what to do tilt my head smile. No smile, etcetera. These are the ones that were supposed to be posed and my fiance and I had told the photographer upon booking. We were interested in being helped with posing everybody as man a lot as we were just awkward people. We reminded the photographer at the start of the session. So that's good. The only ones that look good our action shots where we are laughing because then at least the face may be scrunched, but it's happy. Hmm. Now I do not know what to do. I like this photographer so much and I don't want to hurt feelings with small editorial tweaks, maybe using a burst feature and a lot more help posing help. They would be really good. Do I try to coach or do I hire someone new? And how do I Approach it. So it's best for everyone. Thank you in advance for your advice. Love a Super Fan who wants to be anonymous out of respect for the amazing photographer as a human and artist if you read this on your podcast PSI have been photographed professionally a lot with my work and this is the first time where I've not felt good looking at the images. I'm not judging the photography and any of the challenging situations where we were mid-action or blaming the photographer for Some of my personal insecurities it is truly the lack of posing help and editing style. Well, first of all Road and first of all props to you for knob for realizing that a lot of people made don't not like their photos because of their own insecurities, I would say that is something we see probably more often than not when you say Rebecca. Yeah. I'm glad you said that because a lot of the times when you're in photography groups in that the number one thing that comes up when photography After saying my clients didn't like their photos, it's generally the consensus is maybe they don't feel good about themselves. Yeah, right. So that's always the first thing we think of is well, how do you generally feel about yourself? Like are you very insecure and yeah, you know because there's only so much we can do but yeah, there are ways to make everyone feel confident and beautiful in front of the camera. But at at that rate, there's only so much we can do and I mean you would be surprised at some of the people who are feeling insecure. I had this one client who was absolutely stunning, you know, and and and you she had a beautiful body and everything is she was very concerned about her tummy or you know, things like that. So and it's not anything that like, you know, your next-door neighbor would ever even point out or notice and these are things that that's totally common to happen to people. This is you know, I don't know if it was body dysmorphia for it was just insecurity or whatever but my point is we all have our Hang-Ups we Have our concerns but I don't think that's what's at play here. So how do we tackle this issue? It sounds to me like the photographer is more of the style of let it happen and flow like Rebecca is I'm more Posey. Yeah, so it sounds like a mismatch of style to the client preference. Yep, first and foremost, unfortunately. Lee my gut reaction here is that you're not you're not well suited to the style of this photographer and you need someone that's more like me than Rebecca because Rebecca's more like like to give you an idea Rebecca just because we're very different photographers. This is actually kind of cool because we can kind of compare our methods so Rebecca if you had a client and an engagement session like give an example of how you might shoot a sequence. My my engagement sessions are very much. I will direct them what I want them to do and then have them do it. But that said if I didn't kind of thing more often thing I shoot is basically it is fairly interactive as in I like a lot of movement because I'm looking for that natural flow and I'm not looking to make my photos are perfectly imperfect basically. So I like that my photos are that way that's just my style. So I'm not going to put your hand in the perfect position. I'm not going to direct every part of you and but that's the way I shoot and my clients like that and I like that so fair though. I think there's a balance because it sounds to me like maybe the photographer is not quite as polished as they could be as far as making sure they're not mid blink. And things that are common sense so I fan that's a red flag. That's my flag for me too. Because I think you Rebecca as much as you are more of that flow based photography. You still wouldn't pick a photo where the client had their eyes half closed. Oh fuck. No. Do you know saying they were if they were in a full-on belly laugh. Yes, but if there is not then that otherwise no definitely don't ya and then I to give a you know, a different perspective the way I generally shoot and Rebecca can attest to this. Because she's helped me out many times because I'm more of a she doesn't typically shoot with an assistant and I do see because my style I utilize lot of reflector work. I you know, very particular with posing. I will put your hand on their face and I will bend your pinky and I will have you cut their face and then I will make you react in the pose. So you still get that natural moment, but you are perfectly posed your turned right to the right light. You're doing all this. It's just the way I prefer to My Moment versus the way Rebecca prefers to catch her moment I still do movement stuff but I do a combination of that post that careful posed work especially with dark light nighttime stuff which is more my cup of tea than Rebecca's and it's more Akin like with nighttime stuff you have to be highly posed and carefully lit or else it doesn't work you can't photograph a person at night walking through a field or something just doesn't work. No because there's not lights and there's you have to light people very carefully. It's like I'm talking spotlighting to a within an inch. Yeah makes the photo or breaks the photo. So I guess what I'm saying is what's most important to you. Let's make a list. Let's make a list. Here's your challenge. You make a list you say what's most important to us. Is it the post photos the traditional portraits because there is nothing wrong with loving beautiful traditional pose portraiture which in in you know in Context I'd also like to say photographers like Rebecca do those two. Oh God. Yes, just because mint we're talking more of flowy stuff on engagement sessions this more artistic on the wedding day not everybody though. So you have to be clear with your photographer, but I'd say 90 to 95% or more do the traditional posed portraits that are expected of family and friends and things like that. You kind of have to do it all. Well you should you should do it all in my opinion better cover your bases. I think there's great value. In family portraits that are beautifully lit and post but that being said I can't speak for everyone. So ask your photographer say will you do posing as well as those beautiful movement based photos that you do? So I think the communication of what you're going to be getting from your photographers incredibly important. It sounds like you already talked about editing preferences, which is great. It's super important to do beforehand. - but here's the tricky thing is is that I feel like maybe this photographer was booked solely on the relationship that they had, you know, the initial feeling and the personal that they love them. They could be sued being friends with them, which is totally awesome. It's important to to have that was so important, but you can't you need both. It's only part A you need Part B to yeah, you need both and if you don't have both and I know you said should you No, no, no, no. No. No you cannot it's like trying to teach me to shoot like Lisa. I can't I can't to save my life. I do traditional portraits on wedding days and stuff like that for sure, but I'm not ever going to bring it down. It's not in my nature to bring it down to the degree. Lisa does I can't do it. I can't bring myself to look at every inch of you to make sure it's perfect. Like I don't I do see things. I see details my clients tell me all the time that I noticed so many details. Tails I do but I'm not going to stop and take the time to make it perfect. I won't yeah, it's just my style. Yeah. I'm too much after what's going on. What's happening in the moment to do that totally. So I think what would be really helpful is if she can make a list and say what is it that I really want on my wedding day and make a comparative list and say what is it that we really loved about this photographer? Yes, and what are our concerns and then see if what we really loved it weighs York. Cern's but it sounds to me like you may need to find another photographer. Yeah, I hate to say it. But I do too. I hate I hate telling people to do that honestly because I feel like you know, they kind of went with your gut reaction but middling stuff really throws me. Oh, I don't like that. I'm sorry. Whoever's handing out photos the mid blank you I don't know what you're doing. Stop. Stop right now. Stop it right now. Seriously, there's no there's no this is the problem with for Geography it's not governed. There's no there's no one telling people that this is a probe versus this is a pro that doesn't exist in our industry know so, you know what people need to realize to look through a full gallery and to not their wedding gallery on their website look through goddamn wedding. Yeah and full one look at the and look at the stuff. Like how did they do? How do they do those traditional posed portraits are people mid blinked they take enough to care. Did they take enough time to move the this is the crap that With her a used to deal with yeah, you know, did they take time to move the half empty wine glass in the background. These are things that I do that I don't know the other photographers do yeah, so just you know, be careful. Yeah, that's unfortunate. I'm sorry you're going so sorry. You're going through that unfortunately sucks. I'm so sorry, but that's hard Vice. I hope it helps. Yeah, I think you need to make your list make your educated decision, but I would be leaning heavily towards looking for someone else. This point and just saying, you know, you don't think oh and how do you fire a photographer in case because we've kind of led her to that? Yeah. Good luck with all that by let us know how it goes. I would say she should look at her contract too. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, but you what it says in there if you because if you do decide to go with another photographer, you will be probably losing your deposit and things like that. But you know, your memories are once right so Depends on if it's worth it to you. And if it is don't fire them before you look at the contract and realize that you're screwed and you have to stay with them because that would make it awful 10 times awful. Yes, don't you shouldn't have to but I don't know how far away your wedding us. Mmm. So just be careful. You might be on the hook look at your contract. And then if you decide, nope, it's a thing we got to do then just be honest with them and I don't know if they should I mean email is Because it kind of gives the photographer a time to react and process but please be very clear about all the positives about them and just say I just think it wasn't be kind and just say I think it was my mistake that I you know be kind just say I even if it's not just say I think it was my error that I went in a direction stylistically that my wasn't true to me and Brian. Oh, yeah, I would soften the blow be like no, really. I don't think I did. And you know, I give it to me straight to release someone wants to fire me. Give it to me straight baby. I don't care. I I you know, why don't you because I actually give a shit about my clients all I know. Okay, they know I do. So if they wanted to fire me, I would want to know they weren't happy with their photos because I do actually takes it personally I do I do but you know he's but you know, it's scary, but I've never been fired Malcolm. What if they're like, oh my God, I promise I won't do that on the wedding day then what do you do? What do you mean if they're like, oh, I didn't realize yeah, what if they're like, oh I gave you mid blinks. I promise I won't do that. Please don't fire me. I don't know if Ryan Carver that would be like that so much she likes him. So it's like if he says that now she's in this awkward. My point is just he's not going to say that photography. Do you know would say that a lot? You know, what no, come on. They're also fucking cocky that there's no way not everybody. Listen, you need to know something a lot of photographers. We do have a little bit of arrogance. Oh for sure a lot do we do so when someone you know is not happy with their photos were kind of like what the fuck no, but a lot I would say a lot more have a lot more. What do you call it? Insecurity? Yeah. I see a lot more coming to the group's being like Oh my God. I'm so upset. I don't know. I'm terrible. Tell me I'm not so terrible. Yes, but when their client comes to They're very much blame client blink. They blame clients the I don't have small percentage. I don't know not anymore a back in the day. Yes, I would have said I would have agreed with you five years ago. Now I don't I so when those groups too much. I see too much of it to be fair. I've dropped out of those groups, right? Yes while so Rebecca might have a more of a pulse on it than I do is all well, but let's just be like not that we're cock. There are Very cocky photographers for so but yeah, a lot of them. We do have a little bit because it's art right. It's our chess Cove. Yeah, so we're very emotionally tired of it. So tied to it, right? So when someone says they don't like it, we're kind of like what the fuck we take it like you're insulting artistic abilities. And that's yeah. I know it's not necessarily what you're doing, but no, it's just calm it's just how we are. It's just how artists are wired, but I just think Can we agree? It's a mix. It's a mixture of insecurity and getting defensive. So my that's kind of my point is like would it be better to make a clean break? Yeah, but oh, I totally agree. I don't think you should be working with this photographer because I don't think it's a good fit. Not that the photographer's bad. I don't think it's a good fit. I decided they're delivering photos with half-closed eyes on him out of yes for sure. That's for sure judging I'm judging but you know yourself that you've met clients that aren't a good fit and I have to and I've been like I cannot work with them. I can't I know I shouldn't work with them and I've told clients not clients possible clients. I've said, I don't think I'm a good fit for you. I don't I just say I'm booked because that is an invitation to be like see I'm honest. Yeah, but it makes them feel bad. No, and I explain it though, but I do explain it. I said I don't think I'm a good fit for you because I don't think the style you want is something I can give you your diplomatic. It took one it took one session Lisa. It took one session in one wedding for me to realize I can't take people when I know right off the bat. I'm not going to be they're not going to be happy with what I give them. Oh, I agree and I never did I just gave different reasoning who's just like I'm avoiding this. This like the plague I am walking this direction. Good luck with everything. Yeah, they seem to be high maintenance. I would not refer them to other people. Yeah, you know, but good luck. Really really really I wouldn't I saw it because they're all my friends. So I didn't if anybody's set off red flags where I was like, fuck I start Lisa run. Oh shit. Sorry. Okay, there was no red flags at the time. I sleep where to God. You didn't know her. I've totally teasing you as a little bit back. History listener this whole podcast started because Rebecca shot a wedding with me as she went to the house of a mother of the groom and it was a complete mess and I was like, I'm so sorry. I didn't know it was going to be a mess. And yeah. Anywho funny so funny. I'm totally teasing you. I know I know you are honey, but I hope I hope that helps helpful. I know it was a bit of a discussion, but I hope it was helpful, maybe to anybody who's going. Through a little bit of unsure, you know mrs. That's not a word. Yeah, you know just insecurities about your photographer. I would say yeah consider those things ask yourself those questions make those lists the make look at your contract and then make an educated decision and be kind in your correspondence because I'm sure that photographer did their best and please let us know what you did and like what what the follow up is because I'm sure our listeners would be super that I want to know I want to know. No, no, Xena. Screw delicious. I want to know let us know what happens. Okay, and thank you so much for listening. And we wish you all the very best in your planning when it comes to beauty products. We have so many choices. So why not? Ask for more from your favorite Brands? I'm motivated now more than ever to stick with high quality amazing products that are both vegan and cruelty-free. That's why I'm so glad I discovered Thrive Cosmetics Thrive Cosmetics products provide amazing coverage highlight your best features and are created for long-lasting wear all of Thrive Cosmetics Clinic. 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We're not saying that the listener is just saying. Oh my God, I'm a bright solicitor. And I'm so glad I found you being an unabashed sailor mouth myself. I can't help but feel a true kinship with you both when talking to my fiance. I referred to you as my crazy awesome Canadian ladies. I've been on a binge starting with the original episodes. I've pondered long and hard on what to share but I've found that there's quite a bit boy. Oh boy. Do I have a treasure Trove of stories for you? I'm sending this letter about weddings first and we'll follow it up with another about dating all names have been changed exchanged for insulting yet accurate nicknames or omitted altogether. Oh, I like it. Feel free to use what you want or to break it up if need be Oh my best so she had sent us lizard lady from last week. I love lizards lie right now. Yeah. Yeah. So now we have another one is called titled the best man a few years ago my best friend Mary and her boyfriend David also my close friend got engaged after several years of dating. I was extremely excited to start helping her plan everything when she called and proceeded to tell me that my ex-boyfriend fuckface. McGee would be the best man freeze rewind I was with my ex-boyfriend for almost five years and met David through him and subsequently. Marry. My ex-boyfriend was an undiagnosed schizophrenic who refused to get treatment and turned out to be self-medicating behind my back for years by taking a cornucopia of recreational drugs and blacking out at parties. Oh my God, Jake's in the years. We were together. He managed to lose two jobs trash a car a moped and squander the things I was setting aside for us to move. It was not a pretty ending. I basically gave him an ultimatum told him it was me or the drugs and without pause. He chose the drugs besides following me when I moved for school and propositioning me on multiple occasions. There are unspeakable things. He did after the break up that are not even safe for this podcast. So I'll just leave that there though. They're in the bar is really low. So, right There is one unbelievably fucked up story. I can share that has nothing to do with me. I'll send that later. Oh boy Hmm. This was the guy who destroyed my faith in people. It took me years to recover from the damage of our relationship. Needless to say, I was shocked and devastated to hear that he would be in the wedding. Apparently David and fuckface McGee had rekindled their friendship over the past year and it had somehow washed away the fact that he was a garbage person. Oh Joyce. Is stay and if that wasn't enough bad news, I would not be maid of honor as that honor had been promised years ago to a childhood friend. I felt completely and utterly betrayed but I held my tongue and sucked it up because I love Mary more than my own flesh and blood would that be better though? Because then you wouldn't be paired with him for different. Yeah in the following months. I helped Mary plan her wedding long distance as she lived at the time in a very remote part. Of the country. I answered every phone call read every email and helped her make decisions about every detail down to the napkin rings. Wow, you're a good friend as the artistic friend. I was in charge of the centerpieces and head table Decor which would be original art pieces made painstakingly by hand. Wow. I was given a budget of $25 per table and fifty dollars for the head table for all the supplies and materials. I would need given the challenge. Each of time energy and skill. I went over budget on a few items and covered the cost of myself. No one else that I know of helped with any DIY projects leading up to the wedding besides the wedding party hanging up lanterns and lights the day before I drove approximately nine hours to the location of the wedding a large rustic property owned by the groom's family with my at the time boyfriend. I took my only week of vacation to be there early to help a didn't take too long for me to realize Is that the wedding was a disorganized disaster? Nothing else had been finished or set up beforehand some Decor hadn't even been purchased yet. Oh, no boy really pissed the deadlines. Your people fuckface McGee eventually showed up new girlfriend in tow. He proceeded to make underhanded comments at my expense every chance. He got or pretended. I didn't exist at all. He even went so far as to slap and grab his girlfriend's ass every time I I was behind them the gruesome twosome went outside the family house every hour to vape right in front of the only way in or out so I couldn't come or go without having to brace myself. It was like reliving a nightmare. He was in charge of planning David's bachelor party, which he never bothered to David didn't know this until the day it was supposed to happen and it completely fell through my boyfriend at the time who had become good friends with David was not invited to the bachelor party and non-existent one. On the other hand fuckface McGee's new girlfriend was included in everything including the bachelorette party. My birthday was the middle of that week. There was no celebration. No gifts or acknowledgement of any kind not even from my boyfriend besides a half baked cake that Mary made me out of pity at the end of the night as a gift to myself for the bullshit week. I was having and most likely would continue to have I traveled one hour out of town to a tattoo parlor and got a tattoo. I had been wanting. Oh, wow, cool while I was driving back everyone decided to start the bachelorette party three hours early without me. Oh boy upon showing up. I was treated like the bad bridesmaid who didn't care about Mary's big day and spent the night dodging. The new girlfriend's snake-like stairs the night before the wedding. One of the centerpieces was broken as it was carried and I spent the night doing damage control while everyone went swimming. Later that night maid of honor and a bridesmaid mercilessly hounded me about whether or not the piece would be ready on time as it needed to be moved to the reception hall. I spent the night locked in my hotel room covered in tears and hot glue. I almost drove home on the big day. Fuckface McGee was so determined to sneak one last cigarette in beforehand that he managed to drop the Rings out of his pocket into the nearby Tall Grass over. He thinks all the girls spent a frantic 15 20 minutes on their hands and knees on the wet ground trying to find it which we did before Mary showed up and found out they were missing. He didn't help look because he would get his suit dirty yikes the wrong music played when Mary came down the aisle and the officiant said the wrong names Bravo yet again fuckface McGee slapped. His girlfriend's ass extra hard just for me and all the elderly family members as we walked. Away from the ceremony trash trash trash when we arrived at the reception. I set my things down on a table near the front and chatted with a mutual friend of David's who was sitting there as I was walking away fuckface McGee sauntered over to him and asked who was sitting there pointing at my clutch hearing my name. He immediately laughs sarcastically making a face like he smelled shit and raised his voice loud enough to fill the hall. Yeah. I'm not sitting here. He proceeded to make a big show of choosing a table as far away from the wedding party as possible. What the fuck girl you made a mistake. You should go get him back. He sounds like a real catch fuck the evening went as well. As you could expect given the pattern. It was a dry wedding as Mary and David don't drink so more than half of the guests who drove from out-of-state left before dinner was served. Yay, when you just need alcohol to get through that family wedding. Yeah fuckface McGee was in charge of the music which was run off of a laptop. He hadn't prepared anything and the night was filled with pauses of silence or blips of the wrong music when it came to speeches. I was terrified. I already deal with stage fright and my nerves were shot at that point. I still got up shaking and gave my speech about how much Mary and David meant to Me and who they were as people it went great. Everyone laughed at the right parts and Mary's Dad cried. I felt really good for the first time all week. Fuckface. McGee was up after me, but when he walked up he started to read off of a crumpled piece of paper and halfway into his third sentence said fuck it toss the paper behind him David and Mary we all know him and love them. Congratulations and walked off I felt awful. David a merry that he made a scene like that but I couldn't help but feel after everything he had put me through slightly satisfied knowing that he knew his speech couldn't compare. I had stolen his moment in the sun each shit fuck face McGee in the end David and Mary were very happy and relieved after everything was said and done. They had a beautiful first dance. The food was delicious and everyone loved the centerpieces. I spent the last two days of my vacation. In a coma and on the night our drive home coming to terms with the fact that yes that did in fact just happened promised myself that I would never put myself through anything like that ever again That's all folks for now. Oh great story. Well damn screw fuckface. I don't like him. Yeah, not not a fan not a fan. He should get help for his schizophrenia. Just get help for a lot of things I think and don't worry though. Front will last long. No, well Lisa. There's someone for everybody, you know, yeah even weird weird weird people like him and big thank you to our patreon members are new newbies this week our Emily G Abigail W and Jillian K. They went to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to get more more episodes more drama. Thank you so much for your support guys. First 10 episodes are free. Hit it up. Patreon.com slash see Kurt life of weddings Next up. We have a listener story. Hi, Lisa and Rebecca. I came across your podcast while wedding planning last year and both my now husband and I really enjoyed listening to it together. I love that so much when couples do that. That's so cool. It gave us the break we needed. That is the crazy that is wedding planning. We've now been happily married for almost eight months. Congratulations. Our wedding went off pretty much without a hitch except for one thing that still bugs me to this day the nightmare. That was our reception caterer pool before I start you should know that I am a Sri Lankan descent and we had a Hindu ceremony the Hindu ceremony is very long and usually takes up a whole day with all the traditions and things that happen before and after the ceremony. So my husband and I opted to have the reception the following day so that we weren't cramming everything into one exhausting day. We were I'm actually shot a lot of wedding Hindu weddings and yet a lot of them actually do that. Yeah, and it sounds smart because it is smart because it's exhausting for the couple. Yeah, we were on a tight budget, but we are big on food and we wanted to make sure the food at our reception would be something that was very different from the traditional food at our wedding and memorable. So Fusion food. That was a cross between traditional Sri Lankan / Indian food and western food. That sounds pretty cool. We're a pretty I'd be like butter chicken / chicken fingers done. We're pretty easy. Going couple when it comes to planning and in sweat the details, but we both really wanted to make sure that the late-night food was something we could all look forward to and that our guests would enjoy fast forward two months prior to our wedding and we still hadn't found our caterer for the reception. This was the only thing we were being picky about and yes, we know we fucked up big we had come across a caterer will call him Joe because I'm a nice person and I don't want to ruin anyone's life despite. It all the hate and the stain I have for this guy at one of our friends weddings. We met him and decided that maybe we should go with them. He was quick to respond to our e-mail and we had a meeting set up within the week. He was enthusiastic and had a lot of ideas for our reception menu. He struck me as a little odd because it felt like he was imposing his ideas on us rather than listening to what we wanted. But since my husband and I are pretty easygoing. I chalked it up to Jose enthusiasm for his craft and let Him do his thing we also discovered that he had gone to University with my husband sister and brother-in-law in knew her. Well the hell boy. What does that mean? He I can make guesses. He come on. Yeah, he then told us not to tell sister that he would be our caterer so that we could quote surprise them when he saw them at the reception. Also struck me as a nod and stupid requests and in retrospect. These were all red flags, but I was busy trying to put together a wedding. I didn't pay too much attention to it after our meeting was over. He asked for a ride back to his house. And so we dropped him off since our wedding we had been in touch with him to try and arrange a meeting at the venue and iron out all the details. He had told my husband he would meet us on Friday and a Friday didn't work out. He could meet us on Sunday it Is a few days before Friday and we heard nothing from him. We followed up a few times and nothing Friday came and went and still nothing. We called him several times. And again nothing. We gave him the benefit of the doubt and assume he must be busy with another event and they're so nice and that he would meet us on Sunday, like initially suggested. We called him several times and I mean several on Saturday and Sunday and Nothing, we were now starting to get worried since our wedding was less than two months away. And we had already put down a deposit of $4,000. That sucks. Oh no a week went by and during that week. I was incessantly calling him several times a day in hopes that he would call me back. I texted emailed and messaged him on Facebook and still nothing. I even tried to track him down via our friend and still no. No luck. Although she told us that he's been known to be hard to get a hold of information. We could have used prior to booking him our photographer even tried to use his contacts to track down a different number for him. And he was unsuccessful sidenote. Our photographer was a godsend and kept us saying we love him. My husband was on the verge of knocking down his front door since he thought he could remember where he lived from having dropped him off that one day. Anyways, now I was stressed Furious and very worried after almost a week. I happen to use my work phone to try and call them again and miraculously he answered. Whoo. Now my work phone shows up as a private number. So I assumed he must have answered without knowing it was me it completely explained that he had been sick. Yeah and had his phone taken away by his assistant. Yeah again, Myself being the naively generous and nice person that I am didn't rip into him. Like I would have liked while you so should have instead I asked how he was feeling and then politely explained that we had been getting worried and we really needed to know whether he could carry through with that being our caterer. He told me that he could and he would call me back in a few minutes. We didn't hear from him for two more days. Oh my God. Fire his ass when he finally called back. We set up a meeting to visit the venue and make sure he had the equipment he needed and that we were all on the same page the venue made it clear that they would assist him, but they would not touch the food for liability reasons. It is now the day of our reception and he is late. I mean, he made it just in time for people to arrive, but it was cutting it close for me. My husband and I barely got to The appetizers and food, but I heard from my guest that the food was pretty good. It was nearing 11 p.m. And he came up to me to let me know he would be leaving soon side note we opted for a buffet because big fat Sri Lankan wedding and we had about 225 people there. My Spidey senses were tingling a little late for my Spidey senses to be tingling and I asked him whether all the food and dessert had been put out. He said everything was fine and is taken care of and assured me. I had nothing to worry about we thanked him and continue to enjoy our night. It was around 2:00 a.m. That one of my bridesmaids pointed out to me that our late-night food had never gone out. I was drunk out of my mind and noted that little detail to deal with later two days after the reception. I called Joe to find out what happened with the late-night food. He told me that he had prepared everything and left it in the fridge and had informed the on-site venue rapped at the food should go out according to Joe the on-site venue rub had Greed. I'm no caterer, but I would think that as a caterer it's your responsibility to make sure all the food is prepared and served before you leave the event not leave it in the hands of other vendors 100% Yes. Oh that's gross. I then called The Venue to get their side of the story according to them Joe had not spoken to them at all. And they knew nothing about the so-called late-night food in the fridge and besides their policy is that they do not touch the The food so there was no way they would have even agreed to putting out the food for the caterer. Even if he'd asked them to do this. They did however find some food wrapped up in the fridge the following morning, but they didn't bother to open or touch it because again, it's their policy and feared liability. They then proceeded to tell me that Joe was seen behind the bar with a bottle of wine in hand and was apparently drunk the most of the night. Wow. This guy is like next-level. crappy vendor We had also spoken with the husband's sister who then told us. She wished we had come to her before booking him because she knew him well enough in the university and know that he was a giant sketchball and that we should have never gone with him in the first place. I then called back the caterer and tried to confront him with the details. I had received from the venue and he denied all allegations and said that he was very sorry and to give him a couple days. So that he can call the venue directly in deal with than himself. Of course. We never heard from him again last I heard he went bankrupt, but I couldn't care less as much as this story stings. We were surrounded by everyone that we loved and it sounded like everyone had such a great time that they didn't even notice. The late-night food was missing as cliche as it sounds our wedding day really was the happiest day of my life, and I would do it all over again. Maybe just with a better caterer. You guys are amazing. Thank Thanks for all of the last ramps and advice. Love you guys Priya. Oh, God bless you for telling me how to pronounce your name. Oh, sweetheart. Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I'm so sorry. That's so unacceptable. That's sucks. Yeah, but I'm so glad you had such a good wedding despite that shit bag. Like you're very surrounded by happy loving people and that's all we can we can wish for you. I would just like to say right here to I have a had a Sri Lankan. People that were two of my favorite people in the world. They were their family everybody. It was just the most loving beautiful group of people one of the most amazing weddings I've ever done and I just just big love out to my Sri Lankan folks that are out there because I'm a big fan of y'all like just big fan of Sri Lankan weddings. So yeah. Yeah, very cool very full of love. And yeah, thank you so much for writing us. But if you guys have any or he's like that if you have seen something that you're like, oh my God, these girls need to hear my story now send it to us secret life of weddings at gmail.com. And the email will come to Rebecca. I will see the subject title and not open it and or if it's really intriguing I might open it but Rebecca will actually read it and maybe even put in an episode. I guess secret life of weddings at gmail.com. If you want to send us your story all Let's finish up our stories this week with some double D action dating and divorce. If you don't know a double d stand for or big ol boobs if you just like boobs. Hello. Ladies ozma again. Hey ozma, here's my first installment of dating stories that I have for you. I didn't have to wait as long as I thought to hear me. Just great as before feel free to use what you want or break it up if need be all my best ozma creepy Benny. I love her. She's names these These are Are so funny creepy Benny in the toxic aftermath of my near five-year relationship. I had a hard time approaching the dating world. Now, I'm assuming she means the five-year relationship to flexpays McGee from earlier in the episode of this is like a continuation. I love it. I was not using dating apps or letting anyone set me up. I was just floating in a haze of post-breakup fog when I had an unexpected. Pleasant interaction with a young man. I met on college campus. I felt apprehensive about accepting his offer of a date but I rolled the dice. Anyway, let's call this guy creepy. Benny Betty was very sweet. Very very sweet making his affection for me crystal clear from the get-go, which immediately put me on edge given we didn't know each other at all. He was a gentleman in the respect that he insisted upon picking me up. Been paying for everything during her date unnecessary, but nice he was painfully old-fashioned in the sense that he adamantly insisted that he meet my father before we went on said date what she did to my dad's immense confusion and amusement your dad sounds funny. You see Betty came from a very traditional catholic family who emigrated from Mexico over the course of two days Benny showed. A beloved photo of his mother an unnaturally well endowed and perky woman in a skin-tight leopard top and miniskirt with bouffant hair that touch the ceiling at least a dozen times called that's weird. He also revealed that his family who were well established and successful business owners in the area used to run a drug cartel. Oh shit, very cool. She had all the drugs in her hair I bet. He explained this while showing me half of a rip picture of him as a little boy in front of a tiny house on the other side. According to him had been a massive pile of marijuana. Okay? I didn't know what to do with that information. I don't think I do either don't get me wrong. The dates were fun. We went downtown and bar hopped and caught some awesome live music. We got a shout out from the band for our first and second dates, which only seemed to ingrain the idea and Benny's. Add that we were meant to be from the start Benny was far too comfortable touching me as if we had been dating for months at first. It was just an awkwardly long first hug. Oh the ones that go on Just a Touch too long and Rebecca's like that happen all of those that happens if you hug me at all. Yes, exactly. Oh God at first it was just an awkwardly long first hug, then always holding my hand to Sliding his hand around my waist in a few attempts to slide. Lower you I reacted when he went for a grab and looked at him like hey, what you trying to do there? And he just smiled coyly like a child who had been caught he was 2 years or so younger than me, but I didn't think it was that much of a difference but it was all the difference in the world. This guy had never really been in love with someone and I was freshly out of a long-term relationship. This sounds like a match made him have it in my Right, I wasn't ready for the intensity. He was giving me he was so infatuated so quickly that I went from cautiously optimistic too scared shitless. It's amazing how short her wrote it is from one of the other isn't it? There's a dead body in his freezer. Oh God. Do you know I've never seen that movie. But what's it called? The one you just referenced what? Yeah. What's it called basic in Fatal Attraction? No Fatal Attraction isn't Fatal Attraction that one I don't fucking know. I don't remember. I've seen them. See I know the reference. I know pop culture I get it. I know I know about you not seen that I haven't seen I don't know. I don't know. I just never never cross paths with it. I know it's on my to-do list at the end of the second day Benny expressed to me that he wanted me to meet his family and how he could picture marrying me. Oh my God, run run run. He ended this proposal by Ending his shirt if you and placing my hand on his sweaty bare chest who over his scar from heart surgery. He had as a child still if you don't care he told what in any other circumstance would be a touching story about how he almost died his little boy blending the story into a metaphor for saving his heart for me. It was gross. I think that's gross. I was in complete and utter shock grasping in my head for a way to to get out of this increasingly uncomfortable situation. He was my ride home. He just sat there in abrupt silence for a long moment with my hand held hostage before lunging towards me and mauling me with his overly soft greasy mouth. I pulled away as fast as I could and calmly told him that things were moving too fast and that I thought he was ready for a relationship that I was not before promptly. Running and walking away. I think I spent a long while walking along the river bank until my cousin managed to find me and pick me up. I spent the next month dodging creepy been he's texted please he went to build a bear and made me a bear that I refuse to let him show up with it my house. Oh, that's so creepy. He kept insisting that we could try to be friends and to just come over to my apartment. It'll be fine. It's never fine when someone says that don't ever go people he even went so far as to start using his roommate cell phone to try to call me. I was always polite and empathetic in my explanation of why I didn't want to see him anymore until I finally had to pull the don't contact me again, or I'll have to report you for harassment card. Needless to say, I staved off dating for a while. I moved into a university focused on my grades and honestly considered the idea of celibacy and In cats that dream didn't last as long as it should have unfortunately, but that story is for another time. I can only rehash my disastrous love life so much at once or I get in a bad head space Oh my God. Holy shit. Wow yowza. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, thank you for sending that. Whatever. That was. I was. So gross though, he was so gross. Laughs. Yeah, I think you dodged a fucking bullet their massive massive bullet, although you could have met the woman with the bouffant hair. So, you know, then there's that missed opportunity there. There you go, baby should it she could have hooked you up if you know what I mean? Ha ha ha you never know. Okay guys today. I need to talk to you about COs Theta by Lutron. It's smart lighting control brought to you by Lutron Pioneers in Smart Home Technology. 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Yes. Okay. So last year I didn't make any predictions you did last year. Nope last year. I read what the predictions what all the bridal sources predictions were for 2019. And we either agreed or disagreed with them interesting. I have no memory of that whatsoever go on. So, do you know what the color of the year? Is this year for 2020 actually? Yes, I do. Isn't it? It's either Coral or blue or something. I can't remember which it is. Classic blue blue. Yeah. Okay. Yes and honestly Lisa, I could have guessed this one. Really. Really. Yeah, if you if anybody even you know paid attention to Instagram or Pinterest you would have seen it creeping in as of last year the end of last year of 2019 started. Begin and showing up everywhere. I'm not as observant as you though when I come has stuff. So I also think you're going to see a lot of Rich velvety Forest Dark Emerald Greens come into play too. So I'm actually going to make predictions this year. These are my prediction. Okay. These are your predictions. Okay. So my predictions are the blue I would have said blue. I wish I would have before it came out. You want to look so smart man. I know right? I'm so slow. Um, but I also think the velvety Forest Dark Emerald Greens are going to be a huge thing this year vale's I think we'll be taking a back seat and to hair pieces in excess threes this year. I think people are going to ditch the veils. I think they're really going to go for more type headpieces and Bradley Clips stuff like that happening for a little while now like it's been I like you think it's going to be more prevalent. Yeah. I think I'm going to take off this year. Yeah. And remember when we were remember when people were knocking the whole curved or circular wedding ceremony set up doing that last year. I even got you know, if I can put it out of Facebook group for saying how beautiful it was. Yeah. I think this will continue to grow and Trends and even overflow into receptions and I think people are going to get very visually artistic end with their setups and Ed of having the traditional Round Table seated for 10 8 to 10 people and the big head table. I think people are going to really start playing with this wouldn't it be so cool imagine for a second, you know the kind of tables they have their like, you know at Hogwarts stuff like super long super long tables wouldn't it be so cool to have everybody around super long tables, but only on one side and then you do it almost like in an octagon around the clock around the client around Around the Dance Floor. Do you know what I mean? And then everything everybody's facing circular into yes, you would need to use more space but nobody would be blocking. Like people wouldn't be on the other side of the table and they would just facing in and then everything would be centered on the dance floor. That would be so cool. Yeah. Yeah, that was actually sober the I think wedding vendors and you know, they spy realistic or people they're really going to step up their game this year and it's going to be very different which I love because it's visually Aegis and I think Tapas I think oh, yeah, they're going to see a lot more of that come into play over meals. I think people are going to ditch the big sit-down dinners and they're going to opt for these very like, you know, like that story very infused type meals mini meals all kinds of different types of food. Yep. I think you'll see that and I alone fucking love that idea. So yeah, I think the whole sit down deals. I think that tradition is just going to To fizzle move its way out. Yeah, I think that's amazing. Those are some awesome predictions for 20-20-20. Well done my dear well done. So we'll follow that will follow up with you in 2021 to see if we see right here 20 21, I hope so. I hope so get your butt over to patreon right now to make sure but yes. No, seriously. I'm just kidding. We'll follow up and see if See what happens, you know quick update on the ghost photo, right? We have heard nothing. We have been trying I swear to God we have been so Rebekah wrote to these people like the people who own the house that the ghost was seen in I did we have heard nothing. I wrote to a local medium nothing someone mentioned that they sent an email about their sister being a medium in nearby us and said we didn't see the email. So if you're listening Here this or I have forgotten because we get a lot of you don't know just put it in the subject like big obvi. I'm sure you did before but just yeah down the shade for us big big capital is just being like medium contact. Yeah. Thanks and I just say I'm not ignoring your emails. Oh no, Miss. I see them everybody. I really do. I just I lack the time. Oh, yeah to really get back to everybody and to remember everything I'm going through. You upwards of you know, 42 a hundred stories every time I write an episode I'm going through stuff. So I don't actually have the brain space to remember everything. Yeah the capacity but let me tell you she'll typically correct me if I'm wrong Rebecca, like if you're going through and you read the story to put it in an episode, you'll typically try to reply to that that person once it's in the episode. I have a whole list of people I still need to reply to sure but it's only you trust me. We've read your story and you haven't heard from me. I promise I'm going to write you back. Yeah. Oh don't worry about your in my cute. You're in my little you're in. My little folder that says email them you in there are a champ you are a champ and we love everything you do and also she gets bombarded on Facebook. So, you know with private messages and stuff which as much as we love your messages try to email it to us at secret life of weddings at gmail.com because I think it helps her keep it all in one spot because I think she forgets to check that out. Yeah our fans and our The Secret Life of weddings messages. They're like, yeah. I cannot remember to always go in there and there's a lot in there and I just it gets hard to keep track of I could only spend so much time. Maybe I do work children can we can hire like an assistant now it right like, oh sure. I mean if we were making thousands of dollars off of this, no problem Lisa, I'm I mean I could dedicate more but no no I do we already put a lot of time into this we should just sit out like, you know get an assistant and then they can do all this stuff and then they can come and like take care of our children and do our laundry and like yeah be super awesome. Like on we love doing this we do right we do we totally do but it's not something that were making like all kinds of money now don't be delusional people. Yeah. It's so we can only spend so much time on it before it's like yeah. Yeah, it's kind of nuts. Yeah, it's nice too. But we do our best. So we assume we hope you're enjoying it and everything and thank you to everyone who's ever supported us financially supported in any way, but especially our patrons. We love you for that every little bit helps more than you can know. So thank you again keeps us going for the Long Haul here. Boohoo. Exactly. But what are we gonna do about this ghost photo? Look I legit like what are our next steps going to be? I feel like we need a plan because I am seriously so excited about it still I We think there's something important here that we need to I've like given up on it. I have not given up on it can't we can't we can't you gotta show this photo. This photo is something else it is so cool. That is so cool. Yeah. So Rebecca will reach out to her client one last time because she's extra careful of being extra kind and hopefully we hear back and can share this because it is still mind-blowing to me. I don't want to forget about it. It is so cool. And we made them a promise that we were going to try our best to To share it. So I want to try to follow through on that. Yeah, you know we haven't forgotten. So that's our little update for for you this week. There we go. All right guys, well, we're going to get onto recording our next patreon episode for the week. So thank you so much for listening to the secret life of weddings podcast always and Rebecca anything can happen at weddings, and we will be here to tell you all about it. Well, that's it for us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast if you need more drama in your life go over. Patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to sign up for additional weekly episodes. The first few episodes are free. 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You can listen to all of your favorite artists and and podcasts in one place for free and you don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcasts like embodied astrology and never miss an episode. You can download all the episodes and listen offline, wherever you are. You can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends on social media if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app. For embodied astrology save it and browse podcasts in the your library Tad. Also make sure to follow me on social media on Instagram add embodied astrology. So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Libra, welcome to Aquarius season. We have arrived Aquarius is a sign that's often associated with the future and Aquaria season in 2020. Definitely feels like the future it seems like this is the first turning of the page on a new chapter and you know, it's it's literally like your fingers grasping the page and starting to pull it up. And this transition from the old chapter into the new chapter is really significant. There's a lot of difference in terms of how you want to be feeling yourself in the world and internally, so if you've been listening to my horoscopes over the last couple of months and even the last couple of years, you've heard me talking about this process that you're in that really has to do with restructuring your foundation and your foundational experiences. This has to do with your family your family of origin your stories core beliefs patterns habits that have been set up and in place for a really long time and it also has to do with the way that you ground and resource yourself and make space and time to retreat to come home and I think that your understanding Something about what you need in terms of this sense of retreat the sense of grounding and coming home and that you're also understanding how you can create conditions for yourself that give you what you may not have had in your early experiences. So you may have been wrestling with some content and I think for a lot of us the baggage or the content that we inherit from our families sometimes is so old that we don't even have words for the stories. It's just a feeling that we might have kind of programming or patterning that we get and for you. The sense that I'm getting is that you it's like you were you're trying to root and you are trying to ground and for a long time. You couldn't there was too much in the way and what was in the way was a feeling of ambition Perfection A Go Go. Kind of mentality a sense that you needed to be something for someone maybe for yourself maybe for other people and then in the last couple of years something has really significantly shifted and it's allowed you to move through that barrier and to start to sense into an actual source of nourishment and to your ability to really get grounded and resource and sustain yourself. Elf because you know something about what you need and what you need is not to always go go go. It's not to always live into whatever the external idea is and this is really important for Libra. This is an evolution of the libran Consciousness that you have to go in words that it's not always about validation and the external or you know, building yourself up into some kind of idea of what you should be and your internal awareness. This has deepened so much in especially in these last two years and something has shifted in the last even couple of weeks or couple of months that really wants to help you free your energy and experience Your Capacity and a totally different way and this is the Turning of the page. And as I look into Aquarius season, which is kind of a introduction or a kind of Prelude to the energy of 20. Be in general. I see you really wanting to enjoy yourself more and be creative and be playful and kind of expand into your life. And this is a big theme for Aquarius season is you want to let down your hair you want to let loose you want to take off your shoes. You want to play and you want to feel like you could enjoy your motherfucking life and you have been doing such hard work and such heavy lifting for so long and now you want to relax Looks a little bit and whatever this new phase is about some kind of creativity wants to come into your life and over the course of the next couple of years there. I don't know if there are projects that you're doing or ideas that you have just about your life in general how you can enjoy your life how you can take up more space creativity is not necessarily art. It's any way that you engage with playful energy where you feel like you get to express. Self authentically and creation or Creative Energy is like an expression of your heart, right? So where is your heart? Joyful? Where do you get in tune with your child? Like self? This is the place where you want to bring emphasis where you are, you know looking into the next phase of your life and wanting to work within so tally ho let let Aquarius season inspire you and start to motivate you to get Onto that path now a couple of things that are happening this season that are important. So the first thing is that mercury will begin the first of three retrograde cycles that it will go through this year Mercury retrograde of course is a time when we have the planet Mercury representative of the mental state the mind and language and Communications as well as exchanges that we have where we are exchanging information. And when Mercury is retrograde, we apply the re prefix. So revised remain research remember and the retrograde time is a symbol of the mind turning in on itself or the mind going backwards. And so this idea that there might be something to remember as a really big theme of Mercury retrograde this cycle Mercury is retrograde in a sign Pisces and Pisces is a sign that is not at all. Call it's not linear. It's very intuitive. It's a very connected to the subtle planes to settle or sacred energies, like a spiritual force or like guides Pisces is incredibly emotional very sensitive and very sensitive to the emotions that pervade the space around us. So Vibes and the collective and Pisces desperately wants to bring healing and love into the collective space and when it senses something that feels. A miss that feels sad or or hard. It's like there's such a huge amount of compassion empathy that can come out with Pisces. So Mercury retrograde moving through Pisces stimulates our empathy it stimulates sensitivity. It stimulates intuition asks us to really work with those qualities rather than are straightforward logical linear mines and Mercury retrograde. This particular cycle will be Jail, for those who are trying to be straightforward and logical and linear and if that's what you're engaging in then expect to get frustrated and feel confused and not really know what to do. If you can work with your intuition. If you can open to Divine guidance, if you can allow this space and time to actually be more of a creative space for experimentation. You will get the benefits of this Mercury retrograde and there's a lot of benefit that can come from it. It so Mercury is retrograde period will begin on February 3rd. And this is called the shadow phase and this is when Mercury starts to move into the territory that it will have to come back to in its retrograde on March 5th. Mercury will turn retrograde and it will be traveling backwards apparantly or apparently from our point of view until March 16th. And then from the 16th through the 30th of March Mercury will be direct but finishing up its shadow phase so that entire Rate of time from February 3rd through March 16th. I want to encourage you to really be thinking about how you relate with your day-to-day life with the mundane reality of your day to day life in an intuitive spiritual creative way. And as you know as you move through your life as you attend to your responsibilities as you structure your schedule as you make your plans, can you also remember Sure that you live in a realm that is fairly dense, right the Earth Earth plane is fairly dense, and there are a lot of subtle energies that we can't perceive and so as you're making your plans as you're organizing your schedule makes space for meditation makes space for connecting with your intuition when you're attending to your responsibilities Crossing off your items on your to-do list. If things aren't going the way that you want them to go trust that they needed to go a different way trust Divine interference. If it comes in and your plans aren't working practice surrender, the more that you can kind of let go of any mechanisms or instincts to really have control over your life and to make sure that every little piece is in the right place. Then the more you can open two things kind of tumbling into the places where they need to be and you want to trust that there's going to be soft Landings. So this is a time when you really want to practice having faith in the Unseen and the unknown in your daily life the other place where you want to practice refining your intuition and connecting to Spirit is with your health when it comes to your body and the more that you can give space and time for your intuition and for your spiritual relationships the better off your Off is and I really want to encourage you to listen deeply to what your spirit is telling you and listen deeply to what your intuition is telling you because I think there's a piece around this process you've been in around trying to root and trying to ground that is opening up a new spiritual dimension for you and you want to a tune your intuition to the kinds of messages you're getting about how you want to take care of yourself and the kinds of space or consideration that you need to take care of yourself. And Venus will Transit areas from February 7th through March 16th. Aries rules the relationships in your life. It's your opposite sign. So Aries has a lot to do with your partners with your collaborators with relationships that you have with people on an equal level Venus is a planet that brings love magnetism abundance and attraction wherever it travels to this is a great transit for you to enjoy your relationships to have fun being with people to feel that you're a For person in the people in your life are beautiful to really connect and enjoy and appreciate them now areas is a sign that needs to be self-determined and do things its own way. So really try and love and appreciate the individuality of the folks that you connect with and love and appreciate your own individuality. And when you really get that as kind of a mutual exchange that it's you know individuals coming together, you can love and appreciate each other for your differences then. Aberration becomes so much more Joyful from February 16th through March 31st. The planet Mars will Transit Capricorn Capricorn was the energy I was talking about in the beginning of this horoscope this process you've been in that's been so intense that's been so focused where you've been needing a break through into your your route in your ground and your sense of support So Mars coming into this part of your chart brings action it brings energy. It brings heat Force passion and Aggression and conflict Mars traveling through Capricorn can also increase Tendencies for control and authoritarianism and a kind of dominating energy. So I want to encourage you to be really gentle with your family and with the people who you live with during this time, if you have needs or boundaries that are not being met do your best to communicate about them with gentleness and with love ask for what you need, but don't bowl people. Over this is a really good time for you to clarify your home space. So if you have clutter in your house, or if you have you know energy in your house is not feeling good to you use this transit to reorganize to redecorate kind of clear things out that would be one of the best uses for it is to clear stuff out to kind of use the force and the heat to make your space into a space that feels energizing and supportive for you. Finally Mars in this. Part of your chart is bringing a lot of energy into your foundation and into your root and depending on how your metabolizing this energy you could find this to be glorious or it could be a little bit disturbing. But if you are able during this transit to spend some time consciously connecting to ground through your body through your feet through your pelvis and through your tailbone focusing on the spaces where the root chakra. 'he is resonating most strongly so really at the base of your pelvic floor and in the soles of your feet, that could be a really interesting practice for you during this Transit because this is where you're getting a lot of energy and there's a lot of charge for you. So you want to connect with it and kind of invite that power into support you and that power can also support you to be clear with your boundaries with your needs also in your relationships. So we've got Of lunations this month. There's a new moon on January 24th at 4 degrees of Aquarius. The new moon is always a great time to set intentions for the next 12 months of your life from New Moon in Aquarius to new moon in Aquarius in 2021. Aquarius. Is this kind of future orientation that I'm talking about that has a lot to do with your creativity and with your fun. Let the new moon be a time when you focus on how you want to open up your life and invite this creative. Fun pleasurable rhotic spontaneous expressive energy into your life. You want to let yourself shine and this is a great new moon to set some of those intentions in there is some frustration that precedes this new moon the couple of days before remember that frustration often precedes breakthrough. So if you're feeling squeezed give yourself a couple of deep breaths move through it and notice what comes out on the other side if you have planets or points near four degrees of Aquarius these Are going to be especially stimulated by this new moon and you should consider their meanings within the new moon. There's a full moon on February 8th and 9th, depending on your time zone. This is a full moon at 20 degrees of Leo, which means that the sun is at 20 degrees of Aquarius again planets or points around 20 Leo or Aquarius should be considered in the meaning of the full moon. This full moon is a boost to Creative Energy and it encourages you to really kind of open your heart and Let yourself be playful. This is a full moon that is inviting you out into the social get out there with friends. Enjoy the company of others and this idea that I was mentioning before about everybody being individuals is an important idea to bring into the full moon that the more that you can appreciate the people around you and their unique offerings their exceptional qualities. Then the more you can really trust your unique offerings in your exceptional qualities, and you want to have And kind of you know confidence in yourself and what you're bringing so that it allows you to be open and receptive to other people who are powerful and Brilliant because this is the kind of community that you want and that you're calling in. All right, so make sure to check in with me on the 24th of January and the 8th of February. I'll be sending out lunar attunements. You can find those achievements in your inbox if your sign up for my free newsletter or at MBA. Read astrology on Instagram. I'm wishing you all the best in Aquarius season and Beyond. Thanks so much for listening. Bye for now.

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Hey guys, welcome to the 20th episode of The Learning podcast. And we're on sure is a single brand podcast dedicated to learning something new from every single guest on this show. And today. I have a friend I reached out on LinkedIn. Her name is Lauren Lauren. Thanks so much for making the way all the way to the east of Singapore Mexican if reason no problem. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much. The reason why I actually reached out to Lauren because Lauren specialization is in human resource and for my perspective as a young graduate, You ate right human resource to be honest wasn't a very sexy thing. But now that I've started working in Industry write to me or at least I'm brainwashed by the vaynermedia culture in general, whereby it's very human Centric all those kind of stuff human resource is a very wide spectrum. Like it's a very broad term, right and the university graduates. It's not sexy but I think that going back to him it being more practical in a walking like she's extremely important. I've been in companies where I felt that I wasn't to taken care of not that I think Perhaps it's a responsibility for each other. Take care of the employees. I think that's just one small subset, but I think Lord here because she consults and how clients are in the SME industry. Yeah, whereby you build the big rock of hitch our practices culture. I'm not exactly honestly sure exactly what you do, but I think that having this conversation of learning from you would be interesting because HR is not sexy, but it's essential and I think that for anyone out there listening whether if you You are aspiring entrepreneur or whether we're starting on business or whether if you are an existing person who owns a business right? Perhaps there's a thing or two that you can learn from Lauren who has been in this industry for quite a while. Yep. So there's the first one is the second reason actually, why are the second theme or question now like to ask Lauren is her journey in terms of being a solopreneur sure. So right now she's at a station about she's working for yourself if a couple of smaller things, but things are not too big as well. So I think like when you want to have a big business It's very different from being a solopreneur. So I just like to ask how your experience has been like being a sort of green or if there is no reason why you chose like solar panel entrepreneurship room is bigger in scale. But of course our like to have this very interesting topics that we can talk about related to these two. Yeah Lauren for those listeners that don't know who you are going to give a quick introduction of what you do. Sure. So hi everybody, I'm Lauren Ang from Singapore born bred Singaporean. What I do is I do a few different things. I used to be in the HR copper ore from the bank from there after a while. We'll talk about the story data, but bit more about what I do right now actually run an online jobs people store. God came to a.com. Yes. This is totally like off the charts are different. So I ran that together with the business partner. I run my own HR Consulting firm transform recreate so that one I actually do Consulting for smes. So I do things like system. Implementations for them. I look at processes. I also do some for referral basis. Like, you know, there's some times x clicks who let me know that there are some sports small Consulting gig. I think I don't know that Consulting Geeks are so I did Consulting for one of the Canadian banks in Singapore as well. So it wasn't like a like a friendship, you know recommendation busy. So there was how like this is starting started to grow a little bit from there. Yeah, and why I do is also hate hunting a little bit. I'm actually more like an active on here hunting now, so So because the markets not very good at that. So I think I'll go with now bit more busy now because I'm actually based in Houston the clients office to which she help him manage certain things first question. What is hey Char? Okay, he tries actually Human Resources, right? So basically how resourceful you are is actually how successful you will be. It's not about the resources is how the resource for you up, okay? I never studied HR. So if you ask me what is the difference of like Theory versus practical? I won't know. I actually did psychology in uni going to HR was not something I wanted. It was just like a to Sofia and her got into it. So I was lucky to get into it. Why exactly is he tries? It's from is it entire whole spectrum of things from you? Even before you enter into the company meaning from you gaining some more interest in the company? So it's you know the stage where we call it. Fruit marketing right now. So it's like you know how you attracted to this company how much how exactly do you keep coming back to apply for the same company? Okay. Yeah. So how interested in English keeping of potential employees. Alright, so the opportunity of the marketing so that one didn't know what else so it's it's not entirely fully into that by actually so Talent acquisition. So Talent acquisition is of course what everybody knows okay, um application, you know interviews and all these things and then they are flowing Onboarding. So that's where you actually become a employee employee. And of course what happens you need to have leave you need to have like celery payroll bonus and then another benefits Insurance la la la so all these things will come into your entire employee life cycle and then you know, how how do you how do you get remunerated? Like is that kpi? How's the cake by being determine its type to company goes so who writes the committee goes? What happens? How is it being cascaded and then comes training? So training is also part of HR. So what exactly are you what exactly are you lacking in your job? So is there a training needs analysis? Is there a need for you to go for more causes? Do you need to change your job role? Do you need to have a discussion with the whole entire team to look at what the entire team is doing right now is the job scope still relevant. Yeah, so that all falls on the training and development and thereafter if you leave the company and of course, there's off-boarding which goes back to shatter, heuh, our shared services in. Is it is a very big Spectrum. So usually we talk about a child will probably pop them into like five major key points. So that will be recruitment. They'll be shared services. There will be compensation and benefits training and development. So overarching theme of them will be business partners. So business partners will work with the business. You need to take care of all these small little things. Okay? Yeah. Do you specialize in any of no, I didn't know I didn't but right now for a client. It's do do the whole Spectrum. I still do I still do so, I'm pretty open. Okay, so I'll sort of thing about the story is that I'm lucky. I actually when I was in the bank I met a very very nice boss who actually gave me a lot of opportunities. So she was the head of HR then I was only just 24 25 years old. So this no no that was my that was my first job there John radio because I thought job. Yeah, so she actually asked me to become 50% of her personal. What was that called pa pa personalized? And then the other 50% was to do everything else in the department. Why should this a lot? That's right shit as we're dying during your time at the which bank SMBC Sumitomo mitsui. How is it like working there? Actually, I like it because the structure is very the a lot of structures that are being put in place already. So you just have to run and we feel like I saw PS and you follow someone actually a very structured person. So for my experience in a bank you are you had an in-depth understanding inaudible. These several categories right then it's dead. So do you try to implement all these kind of pillars of HR and smes or how do we go about what what do you do with smes like the company didn't say that. I need some and sit down with them. I need to talk to the boss who usually is the main decision maker if there is a heater irradiation is to be involved because I don't like to change things that people are involved in okay. I mean you would like it, right if they one day somebody came in and change our jobs when you didn't know anything about it. So I would usually engage these two major stakeholders first. I need to talk to them and understand what exactly they won. This usually sometimes what the boss wants is not what he tries capable of doing. Okay. So we need to align that we need to make them both aware of what's capability versus what is expectation and then we will see what we can do from there because out of all these things that spoke about those five major spectrums like, you know specializations we call of each are not everything is applicable in SME. Celine SME, it's probably up to typically up to about a hundred headcount and then you know, then you have different departments doing different things. Not everybody can have a full system like a bank that has no thousand over employees are like structures of salt. So they really need to pick and choose and see what they can do and what it cannot do. So that's where I come in to have a chat with them understand what they want. And if it's something that I can help them with I'll be happy to do it for them. Where are the starting points is a stopping point. Of leading questions for you first asked for Lexi aligning the HR come HR department and the boss sure. So it really depends on what exactly is happening right now was in issue hence this conversation was needed. So if there was then what was what was it? We have to discuss about that. Well, it's currently that's happening. For example, if they had very high attrition rates. So which means that a lot of people like tendering and no not staying not past one year. Okay, what-what exactly. Why is it because if somebody toxic in the team because if you have let's say you have 15 employees. He's can imagine if I've goes away every year. Yeah, it's very painful this but Sheba said yeah it and then your replacement and the time that your HR takes to hire and replace there's a lot of you know, like there's a lot of psycho that they have to go through because you know every employee the on-boarding and off-boarding. It has to be systematic because he try and accounting two major functions that are most susceptible to auditing you need to keep things. Right, right, and of course it it how do I say it? Actually affects people's livelihoods. Yes, so it's money-related is highly sensitive. So it's it's if there's anything that you need to pay most attention to as a SME or even any company it's money. So an inhuman right if you without these two things you can make a company work at all. Yeah. So these are the two major things that you need to take care of. So I usually Target these two questions in us, but because my specializations in hi in terms of Consulting, so I usually talk to them to find out what what exactly is lacking and then we'll steal from their experience. What is most commonly like in your clients? They make a lot of so it's about how how well equipped the the managers are also. Yeah. It's actually in terms of like he trying limitation. Everybody can do it. Okay. It's very straightforward. Like if they're also system just Implement if we was a sop just do it but a lot of people don't know how to be managers. Yeah. So like that would be things like micromanaging. Everything is like stepping on the people's toes and oh, yes it really Is from the fact that many just don't know how to be many just they don't know how to manage somebody else because they have all along been an employee. They've been made by somebody else suddenly. They got this promotion suddenly. They need to assume the role of a manager by without proper training. They're just somebody who bosses on someone else but not but not a manager Percy like performance manager. Like, how do you exactly make sure that somebody who's reporting to you is learning something in the journey. So there's something we need to be very careful of I'm not perfect in that so I'm also still in New York. Bye but it's really the Journey of how you see it. She a lot of people they quit because of their bosses. Yes, not the big boss by the one directly managing them. Yeah, so so that's actually a very big issue. So when it comes to let's say teaching managers how to be managers right? There is like a workshop thing like he's got this to me. It's like very healthy very difficult. Let's see if I change them either one Workshop, but not possible gradual process. What? What is this gradual process? Okay, I don't. It personally I don't do it up but I've got friends who run consultancy firms who specialize in training managers. Okay. So what they do is they'll come in with a workshop. Let's say they have a class of 20 new managers newly promoted for example, and they'll conduct class. The class would go on for probably a one day workshop and on the week, maybe one week later. They do another one. They will have probably one to one coaching sessions with them for the next one month to you know, see how they're managing as a new manager and then in the end they were closed off the entire thing. So it's like a a two-month prolonged training but you know on a small bite sized space is just to check in after that because you're right. It's something that you cannot learn overnight. It's not like coding like, you know, it's a hard skill you learn and then you can apply it know it's it's very soft skills right art because it's human. Yeah a site frog that's the Outsourcing this training to your Consulting friends, right? What are the kind of things do you Outsource? And because I'm trying to get like a clear picture of exactly what you do what you do is really aligning. Let's say the needs of the company me. The clients and zombie grey client front-facing I wanted things we all sauce in your your in your business. Okay, so that's well, I don't do exactly a lot of clients. So I'm very picky with them. Yeah also, so when a client comes if it's something that I feel that it's out of school and something that means a solopreneur cannot handle I would reject them. Okay. So usually you'll find somebody else usually the cases that come in are those that I can handle and those that I feel like it's not too big because I cannot handle For example, five times 100 employee. Yes Emmys and I don't want to do that because our dying school. So I'm very picky with my clients. Usually a my ideal clients are those that are under 20 account. So it's easier and because usually four sizes are under 20, the boss has the major sea and they want their very clear what they want. So it's actually love working with the business owner to see what exactly they want. So a lot of coaching with the business owner also asking them, you know, checking them what exactly they want. They tell me that this is go. I'll tell them how he track and aligned It how long is the time duration do you overcome because right now I'm about viewer sending some messages. You are based in the client, right? Yeah. Is there a duration or is it something like a long term in the cuz sometimes I see people like Freelancers Veena media has Freelancers as well. They are attached to the company for like four months and then they leave that was the situation like okay. Is it like okay by the end of four months, I will do this. This is this is and Ibaka. Is it a quick ranging? You have like a one year? Our food is there like a permanent freelance thing. So it depends on what they need. So for example, one of my friends who set up her own business, so that was less than five head count. So I did was a proposal to set up things properly and make sure it runs properly so that she can take over becoming the HR manager. So I will no longer be needed after six months for example, so I drew up something for her because she wants to be the one who manages her business. I want to be the one who teaches her how to do it because there is this is not rocket. Anyway is is hope it's a system exactly. So when when when she needs anything now, she just comes back to me and say yeah, I've got this question, you know, can you help me with it? Usually I don't charge. I mean it's just a question or two. No, I'm fine with it. So what I do with oh, but I did with her say she had their six-month contract with her. So I told her that certain Milestones that will meet will Implement certain systems will Implement certain processes. This is what will happen. And you know, you pay me once this mouse has been he's just like project management. Okay, so and then but I'm the one who's drawing up all the Milestones that will be hit. And then once it's done, we're done, but of course the real issue is still there because in the end if they use a system, for example, I because I'm also a reseller for payroll system. So if she's reseller for POS it you are recommending appearances. Yes, exactly. So those that you know with less than 50 headcount you can actually don't have to worry so much about calculation because actually there's a lot of things to do with payroll calculations and it's headache you give me a 101 like what what what what it is like OT has different calculation. Okay, like if your salary is Above and below a certain amount OT cognitions different every manual be so called daily salaries and she different based on working days. So all these things and if you know pay leave got to deduct from the previous amount of do you do that from Carmen and all these things? It has to have a sister-in-law not the business of the world I calculating. Yeah, you make all these policies were at Titus a like. Yeah. So the black/white, okay. So a lot of times it involves setting up a stuffed animal like a heat Handbook for the company. So everybody sees all like for example, I'm a manager. I have 15 days of leaf. Like I'm an executive of ten days of leave is very clear-cut everybody knows so there's no politics like hey, how come you got five more days than me. You don't have nothing because in small companies is very prone to happening in the managers that I get you think one day of learning on my own those kind of things. You shouldn't be it shouldn't be happening. I mean, of course if that's coming from the big boss final I mean, this is Big Boss company, right? But like usually the smaller managers will try to make some things. And that's why all that happiness starts from right now. The the most bottom layer. Yeah. Can you tell me of a story right? It's like the most Jose memorable. I'm not sure because if you're allowed to divulge information about a class of a story that strikes out to you that wow, this car this business really needs help that he shot because it's in like total mess and everything like the yeah. I just read them in story of something. That was so bad. But yet it's something that you fix. He became very okay lucky for me. I haven't I haven't bumped into something. That was so bad. Oh, yeah. Yeah most of the time what's that? What is bad? Hey char. What is Betty Jo? Okay, I feel that but H is 0 documentation 0 process. Okay, that is bad the okay. That's that's that is that's bad enough. There's been enough so I haven't really seen one that's gone beyond that because you have to have some form of documentation when you're hiring somebody right at least got to have the full copy of the ICF to have them signed application form have some fun like this. It's you know, it's just as a peafowl, you know, we call it personal foul right to just keep Gather so I think coming here doesn't have documentation. It's you yeah, good luck. Okay. Okay. So that's number one. Yeah, I feel that. It's I mean, it's painful not even for the Consulting is coming in is painful for people who are working there as well, which means that they don't even bother to have proper setups for documentation which which you need to think about whether it's company to stay with I feel ya okay because personally I have working at companies if no documentation, and it gives me it's many dodgy, right? Right, it's not about I'm getting my salary on time. And yeah, small things like do I have off days? Why working hours? I don't you don't know well so that this list but you haven't had such experiences it no, I'm very picky. I'm very picky with clients actually so lucky for me. They haven't come to me all you pick clients. Okay. So actually my business model is purely on retro. I don't really do it with this - I don't really like go out and tell people I'm a consultancy firm. I do this that I don't I just go out. I mean as usual go for networking sessions. I meet people I'll show them what they do is they need my help. They come to me and most of the time that process itself filters out a lot of all these dodgy companies already. Yeah, would you say in your opinion? You don't have any like their clients? No, no. No. No, I didn't want time right how many clients would you need to be self-sustaining in your being being being a consultant? Okay, I think consult on is Is a it's a glamorous name. It seems to me like you're you are consulted. Right? No, I hate to use that word. I hate to use that word. But the reason why it's been called Casa this is because his consultancy I usually don't like to tell people I'm a consultant but I feel like Consultants are very crappy HDD, you know sometimes maybe I've worked with some in my past corporate life. So I know I'm not naming anything but I just feel like it's I rather use it as a problem solver. So I go into the company to have yourself a chart problems and once I'm done with it, I'm Yeah, so I like to use that to more so he's like a cobra title a little bit more. Why do you think like, why do you have that negative? Like is it true your corporate experience? Yeah, they don't solve your problem or the charge too much or like okay. I think the charging thing is it's not the same conversation because it's value-driven. Yes. Yeah, and of course, it's the I mean, you know how Consultants work right? They will charge you based on. How well do you think you can pay that's one of the ways that the Chinese response based pricing because they were talking you know what exactly exactly so for me. I'm not going down that road. I'm not going down the price War as well. So usually when you come to me, I'll tell them this is the price if you want to do it then do it if you don't go and find somebody else so you don't do it based on value-based pricing. No, I actually am quite I'm quite flat we're focusing. So I was a flat typical. I mean, I do some more adjustments you did the ones I think I just passed him - he ran. But we're not isn't it? Doesn't it seem like lucrative to you it's lucrative. But is it worth my time if if a company is is able to pay but I know that they have got a lot of shit stories that I have to clear. Then I'm not interested in working with them because first of all if they'd gotten to that stage where there's a lot of shit internal processes must be horrible and the people do what we found not very pleasant now, yeah, so that's that's one of my filtering processes as well. I said for managers. How often do you you think that the problem lies with the bosses care to share a bit more like explain a little about the question because we are very picky with clients. Right? Look. I'm not picky lime just a bit more particular with who I work with Okay, I think in the end the most important thing is I need to feel that these people are genuine and sincere people that just some people who want to get a consultant in and you know use the Consultants name to get away with certain things and that's what not believe it or not. Yeah. That's not what I'm for. I'm actually in those. Class I've actually soft are those who I I don't know them personally or I actually were being recommended to them by somebody else. I know and trust and Trust so and I know that the business is legit. They've been doing well for what I'll do a lot of research on the company before I actually go and have a chat with them teach them what I can do for them. Other than that, I'm actually really like I don't come to me so that's why I mean by picky because I prefer to work with people. I mean, I think as a solopreneur right you need to be very particular with the kind of time you spend With the clients there are some clients who can pay you very well, but they give you a lot of headache and is it called it? Yes, what about the weekend? It's about like small little things that you ask them to do it because okay, I think just to sell your tone straight Consultants don't do everything. We need people inside the company to be available and capable then we can compliment you buy into the correct, correct? So it's not like you get confident in confident that everything for you know, yeah, you need to have people for example like the X-Men that I was with. We wanted to do a digitization of like the systems. So we got a consultant to come in and Implement that trainers and make sure that we are capable and well of running then they go off so that's why our consultant does. Okay. Yeah, so I think in that light makes you understand a bit better. So that's why do I need to make sure that internally they have people to be able and capable of running whatever I want to implement that it's in line with the boss's idea. Then I will do it. Oh, yeah, so it's not like the the tries to expert This but you don't do the actual crack work I do and I tell them to set up everything. I yeah set up and then I discussed with them correct and Mickey Mickey easy for them. Basically. There is a reason why they've been doing things wrong or doing things difficult the whole time because they don't know. What's the better way, right? So what I do is I come in and I suggest a better way for them. Now. This is how we can do this. Do you think this is good if it's good, let's implement this and then, you know, you will become the SOP and no one's there self-running and I will go away that that's how they improve and become better. So so after I leave and at a certain stage, they say there are 28 Corner when they grow 288 count that set of SOB cannot work anymore because it cannot handle that kind of head count anymore. So so they need to review and look at it and how can the business actually changed to accommodate that growth? Because eventually nobody wants to get started 88 car, right? If you want to grow as a business, you need to go bigger faster and the more you change the more you need to change processes underlying right? So that's where the the concert then she comes in gives you advice based on what they've seen what Market actually does and then you know, you make changes that it's to the company itself, of course Market practices. Everybody wants to know right but in the end, it's just Market practice. You can be special. For example, there's a certain company that client. I used to have she has got seven days of birthday leave my because both dearly. Yeah, so because she has some likes to she has her likes to celebrate home birthday with my friends and she wants to take a break on her birthday. So she thought you know, I I've got employees. I was just implement the same thing for them. Something nice enough. Yeah, so so it's not like he tries no strictly or with the follow Mo M standards, you do this. Yes, you have all I'm a mime standards. That's the minimum. You have to follow but you can do a little bit more if you feel a bit more human with incident expects like for her birthday leaf for some of them they are like, okay. I don't want to give Lexi cash. I do. I found the entire insurance that they need to do. And other than that, you know, I need to give them two hundred dollars per month. Sorry per year to do something on their own and they just came back from Another one in the client that I used to suffer. She she has her own Julie Jewel jewelry line. Oh my God. Yeah. So what she does is she creates like masterpieces for clients custom pieces. So she tells her employees like Opperman you get $80 credit event change forever ringing whatever you're doing. You want girl went through a lot of you know benefits come in different sizes and shapes and it's not just what we see in Copper or smes. She has a Lot of things to play with yeah for me experience, right when it comes to being generous is almost like little benefits. Right would you say that? Is there a difference between how Singapore on companies give such benefits versus private International clients that you have. Is there a difference or a difference? I guess it'd be something I think it's still based on individual. But of course there is a pause La Singapore it I don't know. I always have this calculating or yeah, I got it distorted singing. This is my perception about from experience. Is there a big difference when it comes to all these kind of little hitch our welfare or practices? From what I've seen the actually like to have a variety for smes that are for example like that Julie line. She wants to do things a little bit more different. So she she she told me one day she was like, you know, I wanted to be a bit more special and then like this this employee. He would regret leaving me. Oh right this exactly sir something like that. Like, you know, I want them to feel the pinch way if they leave me because the benefit is good, you know in that sense. So it's part of her employee retention plan that maybe she wants to do certain things. So I think it's really dependent about of course. It depends on the budget that they have. I mean International companies, you know, we all do budgeting on a yearly basis. So we got a budget for certain things and when I was back in the team in the X bang, it's not Easy to implement a new reward for employees at a such a large. Yeah, cuz there was about I think about 900 local employees and there were about 600 I think was it 600 about 500. So I think I think at the father he calls about 1.2 1.3. I can remember buying more than one k. So it was very difficult to implement something because you can't take it lightly everybody. Was that calling y'all direct line if you just bought your phone because if you calling me asking you about your friend things, so that was just This small little thing that I did for my boss that part time we were looking at corporate plants. So from plants that part time there were only three major competitors in the market. So I looked for them. And I said, like look I've got I've got a company of like one point something came in Council. What's the what's the plan that you can give it to me? Those are the corporate plan for all these employees. So they came back and gave us a few quotes. So we picked and chose. I mean we took them all three and then we just collected in an email and then we did a Blog Entire bang the moment. The email was sent out. My phone started ringing nonstop me. Everybody start asking me it was this was this was this so a lot of education has to go into even implementing benefits. Yeah. People are very concerned about new benefits. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I also saw I was on the other side with it. So I'm very careful when I'm doing like SME benefits implementation. Also, I will always ask them. First of all, can you handle it because the stress is going to come in? For example, I heard $80 per employee per month then you do a multiplication. Option and you get the and no budget, but you do have the excess per year to be able to supplement that if you ask me if Singaporean companies are bit more now. I think it's very boss dependent variables dependent. Yeah. Those are what we've our po Kee. I mean in the end it's a it's a it's a it's a plus or minus thing some things they do a bit more some things they cut back a little so the more important thing is how well educating your employees on it. The reason why you're doing it like saw them going to combat a my friend in the other thumb XX from go. May these are leave why we only got XX these you know, so these things you cannot compare because maybe the nature is different. You are working at 60 week that working at five days a week. So you've got more they've got less or difficult industry as well. Exactly. So it's not like it's, you know, like you stupid off just like that, you know one shot it's not possible. We previously talked about hockey chili. You see my concession. He's alright tell me about it. A lot of spreadsheets everything right? What's the misconceptions about HR like my don't want me to essentially I think so. He's happy but didn't do anything right away. I don't think that is true. Okay. So for all the HR people out there who's been getting all these your HR? I know a lot of people will say these things to his own people and like he's only the words so long I was me there's tons of things to do like there's a lot of reporting. There's a lot of making sure documentation sarkar. Which is why I say if a company doesn't have proper documentation, even on thi is a very big problem because how do you account for the person for example in a PDF file that must be basic things like that? So the people the personal foul so P far I saw in the people there must be a lot of contracts between the employee and the company if not, what basis is this person working as right and only things are PNC. So all these files are kept under lock and key to what I worked in last time in order forms that were with I was with and although there's a lot of digital ization of all these files but in the end it's very important our confidential stuff. So you've got to keep it and then the room and then HR people usually see in the room because why all the things that handle are very confidential you wouldn't want some your ex color your teammate to be walking past each other and seeing your bonus number. Yeah. How would you like it? Right? So yeah, so things like that and you know, for example Peak periods for bonus generation and for what I did was a regional role. So bonus generation was different for every country that hand. So I was doing the Apec region. So for who good to three months, I was busy with bonus all looking around bonuses. All right, so you're the one that's good. Right first thing first thing the trigger must be right. So did that form go to the correct manager and it is the manager of performance manager is the person the compensation manager. We want so Majors right managers are very loose them. Yes, so manager can can look after your performance, but not The Sara Lee dictate your compensation. So when it comes to a bonus period so that for must go to a composition manager. Oh, there's a difference and international set up right? There are some some Majors who are based abroad. So for example, there was this special team that I was handling in Singapore their bosses were all over the world one was in Japan and I was in Hong Kong and other words Somewhere else coming by so you got to make sure that they receive the form if they can receive the phone on the East and that we had they need to print out the spreadsheet stamp it and then send it back to us and then we will keep back in and then you know do everything else. So there's a lot of things to be done this pecking because everybody thinks that bonus is just bonus La the macro skilled in the so much math going because even before bonuses being declared first of all, how did the company perform was that even a budget or stay even a bonus Buddha is enough? To be formed up to to have a bonus fun pool. Yes. Yeah, and how is this bonus fun? Pool going to be distributed across the entire company company or set up Percy and what kind of Matrix are giving to everybody so everybody has a kpi, right? So that's where your perform your training and performance comes in. So if you are a top performer, for example, then they say Okay top performer is this range based on your copper ring this range? What is the percentage? You should be getting is it correct? Let's say for example if your if you are. Performer in your carpet ring. You can only get up to 20% but your compensation manager give you 50% because the compensation manager likes you for example, but cannot what so how and then house policies I please correct. So we are the one more enduring it at back end and we have to see live every day is like stock market numbers will come in and you've got to keep looking at it every day because bonus you get sensitivity one. They want updates you want to know whether you passed a budget or not if they need to request for more from head office or every day. That's very dependent on I mean, it doesn't happen all the time. But most of the time we actually don't use that land have funding so just that you know, they'll be some ad hoc promotions that will happen throughout the year so it can come from the same fiscal year. Sorry Financial year pool. Yes, why solo partnership over building and scaling a business to have like multiple employees big office many people why I never envisioned it never ever should never in fact my my stepping into Business, whoa is purely incident coincidental incidental accidental? Whatever it is. It's just not planned. I in fact was very normal employee. I was just very lucky to have them into the boss who gave me a lot of opportunities, but actually I was very happy with that role because I get to learn a lot of different things. I was fine. There was a career path that was being very clear. Yeah. I mean everything was plot outlines of my okay, maybe another few more years and another promotion what's happening? It was rather clear cut with her like that. Opportunities that she planned out from yours already there. I could see clearly ready. It's just that all things in life happens. So about four years back. What happened was when I was still with SMBC. I got promoted at work done heart for it. I worked pretty damn hard for it with that boss. I had to hit. First of all, I think bosses they have a lot of things to settle on hand with Senior Management. Yes, so things like meeting CEO and because hamburger Was always there will always be somebody on top of you because it's a corporate setting so for her even being ahead of each other. She had a lot of issues to handle. So at about the time when I was supporting her in the PA staff, right? I could actually see how she communicated with the senior management and that was where I learn a bit about like, yeah like how to deal with the c-suite people because they're not exactly easy to do it. You know what I mean? Right? Yeah. So but a lucky thing is because she's really taking care of me very well. So She gave me the opportunity to talk to them pitch them and that's what I remember. There was management people are supposed to bring to one of the directors of the bank and everyone was holding a piece of paper was trembling as I was traveling outside the office and then the secretary's because we have to be on very closely with the secretaries of find out their schedules and all these so they're like, hey Lauren relaxa, I also control. Yeah. I need to get a people stand. Okay that one I mean all this more experiences build up to all these Courage to right now. Maybe they're to talk to somebody who maybe is a decision-maker. Yeah. Yeah, so exactly why I decided to move out was because I work done heart for a promotion. I got promoted about four years back when I was in corporate the same day. I got promoted my elder sister passed away so we can get it. Yeah. Yeah. She was 35 when she passed on so that kind of drop me into a different wall entirely because the day before she She passed away. She was still texting me. She said hey, you're getting a promotion tomorrow. Let's a customer promotions on a Friday. I think I remember quite clearly if I'm not wrong Friday or Saturday come remember first of July. I remember it. So she texted me the day before he said, hey, let's have like a crab Feast at your house on Saturday. But there I was Saturday kneeling beside her coffin burning Joss paper for her. So I really felt that life was something that you know, you can't predict and you need to take each day at you know, as you do it. Yes each day. Do your best because you really won't know. When's the moment you stop breathing for her. She really passed on so suddenly that nobody else actually knew how to react. So we my second sister and I have to break the news to the kids had to you know, after that entire family my entire household had to change the way we did things. Yeah, because the the places we live. I really far apart that yeah. I'm in the west and she's her house is in Northeast. So even if I speed driver it was maybe the most is bad. You know dry very quickly. It takes 40 minutes for me to get to the other house. Yes. So it's very far and wide apart time when she passed on my nephews and niece. They are very young one with seven twelve fourteen. So they were going through this stage of growing up and my brother-in-law is a businessman. So it's very busy and most of the time he is flying around and busy with what so the main category of the kids were my sister. So the family as a whole had to change and even for me when I could commit 9 a.m. To 11:00 p.m. What I was back in the bank Um, it was very difficult for me to go back to work after she passed on cuz there was just a lot of things that has to be done in terms of my schedule. So I was one of those people who who were rich on the dart line. I am is my m so I reach at night and then our if I can leave on a dock that they are leave but if I have to OT that needs 10 or 11 or whatever, so I'm okay. I'm accountable. So who doesn't mind working putting in the hours, but the my new my new life. Then allow me to have that anymore how to take on additional responsibilities. Exactly. I had to I had to rush over to my little sister's house to just do after my kid my kid. My niece's things. Yes, barely, you know at the very letter you're just to make sure that my right and Lord knows that there is this thing happening and you know whole family has to work together as a team all over again. So that really couldn't couldn't go on and I decided that you know, I think it was about half a year later. I decided to quit entirely because I didn't wait for my boy. - I knew my figure it because I was in each other right? I said no my own borders flower. So like we get to see our own spreadsheet because no choice of who has not do my phone. So I really saw the figure and I was laughs. Okay. Neela aside just tender and I left in that sense this experience. You this experience? Also motivated you or is this is the reason why this is why yeah exactly why but it was the process of moving out there. I've decided that you know, it's really not too bad idea to do something for myself because my sister didn't have the chance anymore to do something for herself. So why not that now that I can see things clearly that time is definite I can do something different and not just run by the red line. I mean, I was I was happy where I was at the bank, but it After a while, it just got stagnant because like I mentioned the Paw for so clearly that, you know after few years ago another promotion. And in fact, in fact, they didn't allow for a second promotion. So I had to wait maybe two more years for another promotion, but then I stepped back and think like it's that really what I want because I I'm losing time with my parents as they are growing old and at that rate I was working 9:00 to 11:00. I was very afraid. No, I was very afraid that my mother would lose another daughter. Oh legit because at times you call me at 10:00 p.m. Before my sister passed you call me at 10:00 p.m. You student officer. Yeah, you're still the Hella and then she like, oh you not coming home yet, not yet and then like 11 show cooking and then on times they are busy like bonus periods B12, she'll call you want me to get your father to send an air mattress to your office? She was funny because I was just like not coming home because of what it says. She understands about she also like is worried last. And I decided that you know, since my sister has really gone and I think it's time that I need to take charge of my time and you know find something that works for me. And now my family commitments hii value my family a lot and all these things I'm doing right now is just so that I have time to be able to you know, maybe go out for a mirror and mom so that's my dad needs to go see a doctor and I we can bring them because when you incorporate you can't do that. Yeah, I mean Veena is rather from probably because it's flexible still. And you know, our startup scenes are very different from the normal traditional even smes not all of them allow these so that's why I was thinking like what exactly can I be doing, you know so that I don't fall back into this trip all over again. I mean you talk about contextualism contextualizing time, right? Is there any advice to give to a young person like me because sometimes I feel like I have to call all the time, but right at least from what I'm hearing from you right that incident right me you realize that Is finite time but yeah, they see that as to a lot of time but how is any of us were useful to how to do it right now how to catch that little little small window. So I feel it. I've been asked this question like what what exactly do I think about time so I think time it's definite. So if you have today used to the so when you know, when it was the most traumatic period of the first six months when my sister passed on I was basically Lee a failure now, I mean after I left corporate I just took two months and I just just did nothing I just woke up watch TV go back to sleep and then there was no purpose zero there's nothing like it was about two months and I just decided that I just didn't want to do anything. I just want to Noah because there's some hardcore whole life is difficult man. Yeah, so I just decided to a break and after that I recharged and I felt like okay, so my Didn't get to leave to the next day. So if I can I can live to the end of today before I go to sleep. Would I be happy if I die tomorrow? That was a question. I always ask every night like to sum up my whole day. Yeah, like If I Die Tomorrow Will Be Happy a way to force yourself to confess something I still live by so they are these maps to lost and then I need to know her. I just know how then I say. Okay tomorrow. I died today. I know because I need to know how to do that at that. I like the mice. Okay? Yeah. Yeah, so I think I think this question about I do you feel like you have enough time but yet you still have only today I think you can only make the most out of today. That's only 24 hours you can do so, what are you doing about it? Like if there was a goal that you had are you working towards if you are in good night. I mean you will die happy tomorrow. But if you're not then when you die tomorrow, wherever wherever whichever figure you see based on a religion when they say that okay, I actually did really there. Would you be happy? Yeah. I think that that is the question that Maybe people need to ask themselves. So doing this two months, right? When did you like it? I watch it at the end of two months you had this realization then you wanted to make use of the whole like me is of the day. So, how did it how did it translate to you doing what you do? Not like what was because it should be before before that two months and your first client so that question actually came first and I decided I needed to take a break. Okay, so I actually once she passed away. I was always thinking about life really like what exactly why am I going to work the housing office and how Christ and do it my Excel spreadsheets, right? I'll just cry and I'm like, okay. Why am I here? Yeah, and then when the trigger came that I attended after that I decided that okay. I am just going to do something for myself. I'm just gonna take two months. I think a break I go for a holiday. I come back. I know I do. I've I need to and then two months later. I'll be a it how long okay. Yeah, so I gave myself a 2 Mana to Pete's super tall. Whoa, this is super glow. Like I just yeah, so almost right and be composed of feeling and I give myself a deadline like a timeline. Okay, like by two months, I finished traveling. I finished watching TV. I finish like it's all very long time. It's not about hea anything more into man's are you beat it? Yeah, you cannot find that energy to come by all over again. Yeah, so I then Actually the idea of like starting or control.com was already around about two three months after my sister passed away. So when those lessons are they cooking for introductory sure my happy to also go control.com is my online business actually sell just people online. So we cater to B to C and also be to be what we do is we actually help them to purchase like not know but she's like we have packages that are available ready. So they just check out we get it delivered to them doorstep. Yeah. Yeah back to so that idea was already around when our student corporate. So I was going around talking to my friends. I'm JC friends. I'm like, you know, you need friends some some colleagues. My colleagues were like the the funniest people like you see, how are you know sell those people online. You sell easy. Honestly, they'll be done. It has to be us. I'm all of us. What's that? What's a value from? So we we actually want to be people's So we'd want to be online catalog we want to provide value. So what we do is we write we write blog posts. We educate people about how to write some things. Of course. We're not expert. I'm not expert I have as many consultant at home with my mom. So I don't know how to do certain things like how to write some stuff should know you do these diseases associate each me along the way also because what my business partner and I both realized is that Singapore is Big a very Multicultural place multi-religious multi-directional Correct place so myself being a hakan. What's it like Denise Cantonese? Yeah. So my business manager Cantonese, so we did was we got a few friends to come out and talk about the practices that we did. So for hockey and there's this thing about by King Kong. I don't know which they are trying to be honest. I am not quite back with it because I my business don't we don't specialize in that. But anyway, it was just a market research kind of thing. So we got some friends to sit down and other hokkien friend. She said, hey my household does this disease on this day and I will do another prayer on another day. And then we thought it was a hockey and thing. So the next hokkien person that we spoke to say Laura is just letter one day called him. Ah, and then we try to speak to another one. So we collected in for we collected every realize that it doesn't mean you're hokkien. It it doesn't mean that you're Hocking means that you're the same practice. Yes. So there are certain things that have been changed because maybe family have different practices. Yeah. So it's very hard to align the entire Singapore. Sorry, we had to end alignment higher Singapore like, you know, Direct. Groups into like oh you are cooking must do this this this because people will comment on your blog and say hey Nola. Yeah. I'm not correct. Yeah, so we didn't count want to go down that rabbit hole. So what we did was like more generic stuff and of course we try to post things that educational people because I think for younger people even like me, I don't know what the reason for doing certain things. I have no idea. Yeah, so we try to talk to like, you know, those who acquired people which I asked their. Yeah, we try to document that that's in the process for Content this year just Just to I think just to leave things there for people in the end. I even if you don't buy from me you'd buy from my competitors. I'm perfectly fine. But obviously providing helpful to me exactly. I wish that in the end you come at my boss because I want to learn how to for certain keep so I don't mind but it's actually performing quite well, so we are pretty shocked. There's a blog post that we did many years back about how the folder in God. Okay. Yeah, and then like you gets constant like views and you know people she come back to my site just to look at how to do it. We measure this content already resident like among older generation. They will know how to do it. Okay, but they it's us right now. We don't know how to for right? So, where'd you go first thing you do is Google. Yes. Yeah. I don't think I have a lot of information or that right? Okay. Sorry going back to when you transition into being a sole proprietor at what how do you get it first time so far for the consultancy it didn't it didn't come. HD I was very happy doing go get welcome stuff. I was busy with seven-mile Business Delivery. So one fine day one of my friends who is my who was my client. She said yeah, I've got trouble I need to set up this thing for a child I used to do th all right. I said yeah you can do for me I give you money. That's how it started. It's cool your friend who give you like? It's sad, but you the route is yeah. Yeah. Yeah, never never thought that like, I'll do consultants. Yes, like like something that brings in London. Anyway this friend. Yeah additional things that she asked for our just usually give it to her. She will recommend some friends to me whether they turn out or not. I'm fine because at issue we first right? So yeah, that was how the business for consultancy actually started. I didn't con I didn't consciously go out and set it up and say that hi, I'm open for Consulting business. It didn't happen that way actually it was to the point. As you are sending me money so much. I was talking I didn't you do something about the I need to account for this money coming in. And so was I believe that it wasn't like a business or sole proprietor. It wasn't so important to us. Let's just say she transferred the money to me now as I know I think I need to make it pop. Yeah. Yeah, so I'll just do it as I'll just take it as it comes and it eventually when the project ended I've got another project lined up and you know just say things just fell is referred someone truth. But someone didn't cut a now but it's fine and another friend, I guess. Yeah, and I actually believe in what of mouth because eventually you want to be somebody you trust. Yeah, you don't want to worry some really dodgy all over the cheap because you really don't know what the you know what the quality is was my experience in let's say because my experience is a digital Market analyst I run ads essentially, right? So are you fully dependent on Word of Mouth or are you like we are previously talking about you running ads as well. Right? Are you comfortable with only you lying or for now, I guess so I'm actually pretty easily contented. So I'm not the kind of want to build a business that has like 2,000 employees and like they're super big space. I'm not somebody like that. You can see that I'm not ambitious. But I really I think I just value I just value my time more so I feel like if I can for example I'm awake for let's see. 16 hours, for example, so in that 16 hours how many how many hours have been spent on client work? And how many hours I spend on taking care of myself so that my family can be taken care of. Yeah, so I think about that and I try not to overwork because I don't believe in like, you know taking as many clients as possible and it's growing up all their work. Yes, because you wanted to do a really good job correct attention actually matters because when you are in a company's more like you got to switch into that companies mindset, you've got to understand like that. Yeah, you know like for example if you Won't several clients as well. Yeah, it's like a split. Yeah changing gears right you do little bit of hate hunting, right? Okay introduce me the hard you hit hunt Okay, so hey I'm doing is just more executive term of doing recruitment. Okay? Okay, so tough if I thought yes, yes. Yes. So what we do usually people will try to put a definition to it. But OK the most commonly used one is like anything that's more than 7 K. They use it as a It Hunter for oh, I see. Okay. Yeah, so the value so basically there's why I do on the site. I mean, that's not that's not one of the course. I mean, I just have that sort. So if any time that my clients he was such that you need to get certified as certification. How did you know, so you need to go to like you need to take an exam with the government? Um, I think income is the one that issues and like and when needs to certify button over here that I use a lot and you know, very talented people that because you need a lot of businesses yourself right there. That's very connect the dots and say hey I have someone who will be a good fit for a company. So is that what somewhat so recruitment comes from the need of a company needing to feel a head count? Yes, so that's recruitment. So you've got to Heckle you need to recruit. Okay. So so the the the beautiful term sometimes we were Uses hate hunting is probably tied to the remuneration and the commission's as well as attract. Yeah, it's different. So like for the simple contract job like placements, the the commission is a lot lower but for like higher income sector all these roles that you place the commission basis different and of course depends on what firmly attached to and you know, what's a commission structure so literally it's called my rental Le lire in that so you really should just sell somebody night. Company and that's why you get color. So that's how he had this of Manila. Is there a reason why you're not sometimes I feel it's highly transactional. Okay. It's overly transactional. Like I prefer to stay with for example, if you're my candidate today, and I have a very amazing client at what we've asked company so client X is hiring and for example, if I am looking to just place you in there I can just place you in there if of Course you fit their requirements you get into a job there. You stay there for two three years you get sick and tired of life. You want to move again? Okay. Okay, so that's usually what happens right? And then you probably if you had a very good experience. If you're a hunter you go back to them you go back to your recruiter because you trust them you trust that they will find a good company for you. I feel as very transactional like I just feel like okay. I think you get what I mean. I saw a funny because I want you to find me a nice job. Yeah, that's all hmm, maybe not. That always like a commission scheme. All right, but people are open to come like calm like common base job. Yes off recruitment versus like insurance or property because people need to move jobs. Yes. Yes, so they are they are very open to know people when they call and say I'm calling from recruitment from idea of time to speak offshore. The tone is very nice. But if I don't believe I'm calling from property didn't like it. No, no exactly. So the the section listing mother perception. Very different. Yeah, okay ending of any of these ethical for this forecast, right? I'll just ask you some very generic stuff. Wonder why our favorite books. Do you have are you already there in the first place or not? Not so much as it. You know, what I saw that question. Is he gonna I don't read as much. In fact when I was growing. I hate the books. The only kind of books I read was textbook. But now I had to you know, run all this hot. What is your primary medium of absorbing contact is alive. Audio podcasts or is any podcast that you recommend for someone out there or you give a right hook? That's all this is their home. Okay. So my podcast is called the hashtag try everything. I'm sorry we do here is to actually collect stories of people around me. And of course, we're happy to get guess who actually made mistakes fail and eventually found something they like to do because what we realize in the entire scope of, you know, graduating singaporeans young singaporeans and at 30 and 35. Yeah, that's me, too. But Like, you know, they get lost in their thoughts. Sometimes they get worried because they don't know what they can do and they don't dare to try. So the whole point of this podcast was set up to where she interview people who fill and eventually found something that they like to do and it wasn't exactly and it's really from the horse's mouth because they all share stories and you know, the funny things all the settings they have to miss out on opportunities they do for example for mine. I had to go through a family thing to realize they are new and you do something different so Podcast it's yeah, it's one of the mediums that I do absorb content. If you say that I used to read more but not am I busy with client things that I try to squeeze time always be difficult. So in general and that will John Rowe I actually read more to as I self-development kind of books Gary. These books are quite good. I like them. And the other point is that I will give an immediate. What do you think? I'm Gary vaynerchuk. I think he's he's very real I've seen in Speak Life actually. Yeah, I think he's very busy and to my surprise a lot of youngsters day. Well, you know, I wasn't he was quite amazing. But of course, he's I mean, I see that he's real because he's the same on screen and off off screen. Yeah on stage. So that is it for people who don't know who care of inertia is in a few. Take the sentences. What does he do in for your perspective, but it's different for me because I work in this company. I mean for me I read up on him bit too much. So I know I know why he does. So I mean he wants, you know here at he wants the digital marketing. He runs the content management and stuff. But for me, I just see that he's he said he's a human being who's trying to make other human beings better and I think that's what everybody should become because why do you want to be toxic? Right? Yeah. Yeah, so that's my My my impression of him and I feel like he's just somebody who's very real and even even when you read his books, right? Like you can feel it. Who's that from the state? So what she does that she used to be a lawyer if I'm not wrong, so She has this five-second rule 5 4 3 2 1 and go do it. Oh, yeah, I think it's probably heard of it. So we'll have 5 second rule is actually something that a lot of people use the I used to use it for a period of time or so, but the more one thing that I like to use about her is whether your chicken or jerk she has this Theory whether you're a chicken or jerk so she's very onto not self-sabotaging. Okay. Hmm. So for example, you have a self sabotaging thought for example today, I can't come to Jesus podcast. Yeah, so Because I don't want to speak on a podcast. So these thought is it being a jerk or is it being a chicken to yourself? So I'm being a jerk to myself because I don't want to obtain if I'm scared of being on a on a podcast and I'm chickening on myself. So why be a chicken so she wants you to be aware of why your self sabotaging yourself. So categorize our thoughts in either a chicken pot or joke thought yeah. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah. So then when you realize that you're being a jerk right there, you just enjoy yourself that and then forces have to do so. This will have to be self-aware that correct, correct? Because there are some things when we know we need to do but we don't do it for example, like going to waking up. Yeah, but know that you like yeah, so it's II like a theory a lot. So those apart I know and I was I mean everybody has ups and downs, right? So there's a part time when I was really hitting like the Rock and I was thinking what to do with this thing. Like I need to do this, but the one that we saw the ask myself, why do I want to do it? Then when the the answer came out and I was like she loved just jerking myself. So I just couldn't do it. I think okay. Yeah, okay salt five questions best advice you've ever received. Like a shot go do it was advice you've ever received Never My Love. Oh, we are not registered at shit. Wonderful. Now. He was a best year of your life. Thus far what events what tangible events would need to happen to what that you'll eventually the happened. This is to make it the best day of your life finally making more than what I did last time as a self validation and I don't know buy a car and you go right? Yeah. Okay Lauren. Thanks so much for coming rifle. Listen this thing Twisted the reach out to you right? Where can they find you and reach out to you? Right? I'm on Instagram. So why it's going to handle do I read it out. Yeah. So my Instagram handle is a very Star Wars related. So it's only one Kenobi. Okay. Yeah, and I'm on Facebook as well. I guess I'll be like Christmastime Is All when G so instead of Obi-Wan Kenobi's Obi-Wan Kenobi, okay, let's do this. That's a unique nickname that my friends used to give me. So I just thought I just use it LA. Are you bawling active or Instagram LinkedIn? I'm in active active on Instagram and Linkedin less of this walk and also you can you can take note of my podcast and yes, we know how yeah, so podcast is available on Spotify a podcast Falls piske almost everywhere. Hashtag try everything is checked right away. Okay, Lauren. Thanks so much for joining this podcast. I really left a lot of Acacia, and I think there's a lot of breaking the misconceptions about Haitian, which I learned a lot today and thanks so much for coming. Thanks so much for having me. Thank you.

A huge THANKS to Lauren for joining me on this podcast session - I reached out to her via LinkedIn and was mostly interested in learning more about what HR is - it's not exactly the most enticing thing for undergraduates to major in Human Resource, and I think there's a quite a big difference when it comes to being taught HR in schools and actually implementing HR policies that make a tangible difference in businesses. Lauren runs her own business, (Transform.Recreate) that caters to helping SMEs create better HR foundations according to their business needs and shares her story of how she got into this business - coming from a corporate background, it equipped her with an in-depth and yet wide-ranging experience of what it takes to have good HR for companies of all sizes. She is also the co-founder of GotKimZua (gotkimzua.com), an e-commerce Singapore-based joss paper store incepted in May 2017. She also has her own podcast, #tryeverything, where she shares stories of people who had overcome their failures to become successful in their own ways. Definitely go check it out and have a listen! We mostly talk about the importance of HR, common misconceptions about it, Lauren's accidental story into HR consulting and role models that we look up to!

From the years 1979 to 1981 the Streets of Atlanta were anything but safe children disappeared one after another in a string of heinous murders that dotted the cityscape one man. Wayne Williams was found guilty of some of the murders that occurred during this period but some think he's not the only killer some think he wasn't alone learn more today about the Atlanta child murders with an episode of Necronomicon pod or three guys. Sit and discuss True Crime called happenings. And even the Paranormal be ready for something strange want to support devil. We know please go to patreon at patreon.com devil. We know podcast and for $1 get two bonus episodes a month early release episodes and ad-free episodes. The dangers of the healthcare industry are Myriad and varied there is always a success rate for operations big and small and a success rate simply implies that there is also a failure rate. However, some procedures and treatment are riskier than others whether it's the use of a prescription for pain or a full-on invasive surgery. There is always the chance that something can go wrong and often. It's simply the luck of the draw. A person may have an obscenely low tolerance for the drug. They're given or they just may never heal if completely from a complicated spinal disc removal. But what affects patients more than luck is the skill and attention from their Healthcare professionals. The nurses and doctors that tend to your needs are the ones that are most likely to impact your so-called success rate. That disc removal gets bashed by the surgeon perhaps and when the surgeon admits nothing you are at risk for ever for enduring more back pain than ever before or perhaps the patient is given an over dose of anesthetic and they never wake up from their procedure at all. Whatever the case there is danger present and it's even more chilling to learn that in those white coats or behind those scrubs are people just like you and me people who for all we know live live. Of Deceit and violence to get what they think they deserve these people. Although not all bad are sometimes found to be unsuitable for their precarious positions in the field of Medicine. It's too bad that we can't usually tell until they've done something reprehensible. In fact, the evil that can hide in a doctor's coat is often worse and more powerful since it's been given free Reign Over the people in need the hurting patients. They are meant to serve and it's often that these people are not discovered for their crimes until years down the road but power and corruption go hand-in-hand and sometimes just sometimes it surfaces so that the world can see You were listening to devil. We know a true crime podcast, which may contain adult themes explicit language and graphic depictions of violence portions of the show may be traumatic for those under 18. Listener discretion is advised. Everywhere, we look everywhere we go every city every town every neighborhood every street. There is a devil we know this is devil. We know and I am your host Aaron. Life didn't begin easily for Martin macneill born in 1956 and his five siblings. Even Martin's early life was plagued with issues. There were the household Arguments for one which is parents Albert and Lillian had regularly soon the two divorced and although Martin grew up in Camden, New Jersey his dad Albert found himself all the way in Long Beach, California to live as far. Are removed from his ex-wife as possible. As if it wasn't enough to experience an inimical divorce at such an early age paired with the estrangement of his father. He then began to grow up in the so-called slums of Camden his mother Lillian in order to support the family began to sell herself for sex. It was during these transactions that Martin recalls his mother working in house with only a sheet as a partition between her and her six children. But Martin took his adversities in stride in school. He was known for his eccentricities and moodiness. And naturally he excelled In Theater Arts. He also spent much of his time reading another form of escape and it wasn't long after becoming a teenager that Martin resolved to go live with his father Albert in Long Beach. No matter what. He did. It seems that Martin found a means of escape and in fact at age 17, he joined the military telling the recruiters and superiors alike that he was simply a year. Older Martin though did not get to enjoy The Escape of the military for long only two years later. He was discharged as a latent schizophrenic and although mental health wasn't taken seriously enough for treatment during this period of time by the US military they found this that's reason enough to free him of his duty and service. It was during this period of discharge that Martin found comfort and yet one more Escape in one more deviation from the life that was once his he found the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints suffice it to say Martin did not adhere completely to the tenants of this new found religion. And after he attended college and Saint Martin's University in Washington where he uses the Army's extension program to complete an undergraduate degree majoring in psychology and sociology Martin soon found himself causing all sorts of trouble. Martin's Sister Mary lived in Mission Viejo, California where Martin moved after finishing College after that. He began a shopping spree that totaled $35,000 in bad checks closer to a hundred fifty three thousand dollars in today's economy buying everything from diamond rings to numerous pairs of shoes and socks after this moment in the world of crime and subterfuge. Martin was caught and served six months in jail. It was around the same time that Martin met Michelle Marie Summers a fellow LDS church goer and his soon to be wife Michelle who also came from a large family six siblings. All told was described by many as generous and as soft-spoken. She was called Beautiful by many but as a down-to-earth tomboy, she was considered approachable. She grew up with her mother Helen as the primary Homemaker whereas her father like Martin's did not participate much in the rearing of children as a Salesman Michelle's father Milton spent most of his time outside the home. So as an adult Michelle took to her mom's attitude maintaining a particular Devotion to her family Michelle like Martin participated in theater. Her and she maintained an impressive record of Straight A's while being a cheerleader and homecoming queen at Concord High School. Her time abroad in Switzerland as an exchange student also helped shaped her overall School experience. However, her schooling ended with high school and in lieu of attending her dream College Brigham Young University. She modeled during her late teens and early 20s in the same vein. She was a contestant in for beauty pageants winning the title of Miss conquered just a year before meeting Martin macneill for the first time. In 1977. She also made her way to Mission Viejo alongside her mother all the while becoming newly involved with the local Latter Day Saints Church in the area. That church was where she and Martin first crossed paths both attending a single's night event for young Mormons. It was not long before Michelle's family expressed their disapproval claiming that Martin was most likely bad news. Whatever their thoughts though. It didn't stop the two lovebirds from eloping early in 1978. There was of course the legal trouble that Martin had gotten into so after the new marriage Martin began serving his six-month sentence still Michelle remained a stalwart wife despite these early signs of trouble and the warnings from her parents. Besides it wasn't long before Martin was out of jail once more from then on Martin and Michelle worked on building their home life one child at a time. They had biological children to start but soon began to adopt kids as well. In fact, they had begun telling others including their families that the kids they adopted were all from the Ukraine. This was yet another transgression in Deceit by Martin as in reality only one of their adopted children was Ukrainian, In fact, one of the children they adopted was born of their very own biological daughter Vanessa and to hide the extramarital pregnancy. It made sense to take on little ad as their own as well. Martin had more to build than a family though while he was still on probation from the initial sentence. He served Martin had received a letter of acceptance from a medical school in Mexico. But even his career was built on lies from the fake transcripts that he took to both Mexico and to Western University of Health Services in California to the interviews with the VA to determine his eligibility for disability pay Martin took full advantage of this Gil. He seemed to have honed and deceit as a matter of fact Martin lied about his attendance at school and his inability to work which qualified him for at least fifty percent disability and soon after that first interview. And secured a hundred percent disability pay and a hundred percent Social Security pay still it wasn't enough that he had begun to bring home a considerable amount of money each month without working. No Martin for all of his deceit intended to work before and during his attendance at several schools. He first received his license as an osteopath and California and 1984 getting the same license in Utah. Only three years. Later. It was then that Martin began working part-time at Brigham Young Michelle's dream School while getting his law degree, although he graduated from BYU is law program in 1990 his work with our health center continued until there were numerous complaints about him unprofessional conduct misdiagnosis. And worst of all rape allegations began to allocate in 1998. Amidst many of these ongoing complaints Martin left the health center. However in 1999 he Back to work lasting a short three months before being asked to leave permanently. His work continued though Martin became the medical director of the Utah State Developmental Center in the year 2000 appointed by the governor himself. Although he received a lot agree. He did not practice law and in Martin spare time. He worked as a consultant for multiple other medical facilities. He also taught a Sunday school class at the church where he and his family attended all the while sitting on a fresher and fresher mountain of Lies not everything was a matter of Deceit. However other sins pervaded Martin and his interactions with his family and with others namely there was a precedent of violence and violent talk in the McNeil household. Throughout their marriage Martin's deceitful behavior and apparent disregard for the tenants of the church puzzled, Michelle and created trouble for everyone in the house. In fact during the summer of 2000. Martin had been caught looking at pornography but skipped discussing this and the expectations of their religious marriage and a civil way. Instead Martin grabbed a knife and began to threaten killing Michelle and then himself their son. Damian was able to get the knife away from the dear old dad, but not before the screaming Was Heard by a neighbor who decided to call the cops. Anyway, the police came and took Mark to spend the night at a mental health ward. The MacNeil family soon went back to business as usual with the hope that Martin had finished being obscene and violent. Shortly, though the whole family learned that he hadn't finished. In fact his most worrisome behaviors had only just begun. Martin macneill had begun to express an abusive side to his family which amounted to more than just the suicide murder threats that he had made in the moment as he was caught looking at pornography. He started to threaten to leave his family a tactic that proved especially damaging. He also took to saying he no longer loved Michelle and worst of all that he didn't want the adopted kids at all anymore his excessive verbal and mental abuse of Michelle was enough to get Michelle thinking she thought specifically that Martin was having an affair. She was right, but the revelations began to get darker Martin was having more than one Affair of course, but there were some that were more line of the man that Martin really was one such woman was Anna Osborne Walt Hall Whom he started seeing in 2005? Martin awful had pillow talk with Anna as he put it with one session revealing a particularly scary picture of Martin Martin told Anna on one of those times together that in 1986. He had found his brother Rufus bleeding profusely in the bathtub. He was committing suicide then Martin revealed another disturbing fact instead of helping Rufus Martin held him under making sure that if Rufus hadn't already blood out that he drowned instead it was Troubling Discovery for Anna but it was only one of multiple Martin also shared with Anna at one interval that he was capable of causing a person's death to look like a heart attack Anna who herself had dissociative personality disorder did not stick around long in the wake of Martin's apparent issues. So in November of 2005 Martin also found himself seen a nursing student by the name of gypsy Willis. Gypsy states that their relationship turned sexual the following January and that they would see each other at least monthly if not more meeting for lunch or for sex in March of 2007. They kicked up the relationship a notch with Gypsy moving close by and with Martin covering her expenses giving her a debit card to use Gypsy for her part began stalking Michelle unawares while taking methamphetamine so that she could lose weight another appeal to Martin. According to her friends. That wasn't although for Gypsy seem to exhibit a sincere obsession with Michelle, even though Martin told her that they need to cool it with their clandestine relationship to Kerr Michelle's growing suspicions Gypsy still talks sometimes with her roommates about poisoning Martin's wife or cutting her brake lines. It was clear that something was seriously amiss with Gypsy and the relationship she'd built with the man. She knew as Martin macneill as if the affair is weren't enough to Rouse the suspicions of Michelle Martin and the family moved from Orem Utah to the gated community of Pleasant Grove in the spring of 2006 Michelle then told her daughter's The Awful Truth. She thought this move was meant to prepare the family for divorce. There was more to Martin and Michelle's marriage troubles than met the eye. And Michelle sense that the worst was still yet to come. Martin had begun to tell people that he was dying of cancer or multiple sclerosis and he maintained these different stories by walking around with a cane and wearing a surgical boot. He had not been diagnosed though and seemed as though he simply wanted to appear powerless. Between February and March of 2007 Michelle ramped up her effort in getting her lying husband Martin to admit to adultery. He did not relent but instead called her ridiculous offering her a facelift as a gift. He told her that once she got the facelift he would also pay for her to go on a cruise. This seemed to placate Michelle only slightly. She had many questions and she wanted to lose weight before getting the procedure done Martin heard none of it and against her wishes. He set up a facelift consultation for her straight away by late March. Michelle was in her first appointment sitting across. Dr. Scott Thompson, according to the meeting the plan was to have surgical procedures done on her forehead mid-face and lower face. It was a relatively straightforward meeting and so Michelle proceeded in meeting with a physician named. Dr. Wells. Shhhh, whose job it was to ensure that Michelle was in proper shape to be getting the procedure done. Dr. Welsh noticed that Michelle didn't speak much. In fact, it seemed as though Martin had been doing all of the talking for her throughout the appointment answering questions on her behalf. Dr. Welsh then asked to speak with Michelle alone to which Michelle responded by confiding in the doctor. Once Martin had left. She was very depressed and stressed she stated, but she didn't or couldn't elaborate. Dr. Welsh noticed the Michelle very high incidences of blood pressure and he suggested once Martin returned that the couple wait before going through with the surgery. At this suggestion Martin expressed frustration. He stated that he wanted Michelle to have this operation done as soon as possible. It was also during this consultation that the dr. Michelle discussed her history of heart palpitations. At this dr. Welsh also showed concern and administered an EKG on Michelle to ensure that she didn't have any evidence of heart disease. The test did not show any such issues and dr. Welsh's worries were somewhat curbed for the time being as he sent the couple back home. Days later on April 1st, Martin and Michelle attended the final consultation session for the facelift alongside their daughter Alexis, then a first year medical student on the way to the appointment though Michelle through Martin a curveball. She did want to wait until her blood pressure was under control Martin grew angry and response telling Michelle that if she didn't get one now, she wouldn't be able to get a facelift at all. Michelle relented and the couple entered the office to discuss the operation with dr. Thompson once more In this discussion Martin made the recommendation that Michelle receive more medication for pain then is usually prescribed he made the case to dr. Thompson that Michelle couldn't handle pain as well as the typical facelift patient and that the additional medicine would be to her benefit. Dr. Thompson was reluctant. But when Martin insisted that he too was a doctor and that he would be monitoring Michelle's intake of the medicine he relented. It was only after all these consultations that Michelle finally had the surgery her facelift consisted of work in the lower face and in the mid face a lift of the forehead and surgery to her eyelids Michelle spent eight hours under the scalpel and then she stayed overnight for observation the next day April 4th. Alexis was ready and available there to care for Michelle at home. Michelle's eyes were still under bandages after all she would require some time to heal fully. Alexis planned on staying at Michelle side to take care of her even sleeping next to her Dear Mother to make sure she was well-managed Martin though would have none of it the day after coming home Alexis found Michelle to be unresponsive after a cursory check on her. She asked Martin about this in Martin told his daughter that he had accidentally overmedicated Michelle. When Michelle woke, however, she told Alexis a very different story. She said that her husband had kept on feeding her pills until she vomited and she asked her daughter for help. She asked if Alexis would help her feel the medications and learn which ones were which she will want to be sure of what Martin was giving her. She also then request one more thing of her daughter. If anything happens to me make sure it was not your dad. It seems as though Michelle suspected Foul Play and if her story of the pills was true, then Alexis and Michelle certainly had something to worry about still Michelle and her State could do very little and to ensure that she was on the right track. She went back to dr. Thompson for a follow-up appointment on the 6th. Michelle reported that she was still unable to open her eyes due to the swelling but that in itself was still normal for a post-op facelift patient four days later. Alexis was due back to Nevada for medical school and she wants again left her mother in the care of Martin. Michelle had yet another meeting with dr. Thompson this time clearly happy with the results. Michelle had once again become self-sufficient walking around and doing things for herself. She was even largely off. The medications that Martin had taken home to her things. Perhaps were looking up now, perhaps thought Michelle the worst was over. We will be right back after these short messages. They were soon a shift in the wind. In fact the very next day everything changed in the McNeil household. The morning had been normal enough Michelle sat and watched TV and her room and one of her youngest had come in to have a standard conversation with her when Alexis called her later around 8:45 a.m. That morning while Martin had taken the young kids to school and headed off to their Safety Fair Alexis and Michelle had a conversation over the phone where Michelle stated that she was feeling. Well and Alexis did not hear any. Of overmedication, no slurring and no confusion at all. Michelle said she planned to get the kids after school today and Alexis hung up shortly afterward at about 9:15 though. She suddenly received a voicemail from her father dearest Martin was asking Alexis to call her mother and tell her to stay home and in bed that day. It was a strange request but Alexis did as she was asked when she called Michelle though. There was no answer on the other end. Meanwhile, Martin attended a safety fair for the Utah State Development Center acting so belligerent and nervous that one employee at the fair filed a complaint against him. He was weirdly insistent on getting a picture of himself taken at the fair but a few hours later. He went to retrieve his daughter at a from kindergarten there to returned home and a data immediately went to find her mother. She found her. All right, Michelle fully clothed sat in the bathtub her head floating above reddish brown water and covered in a mucus-like substance. Martin soon joined at it in the bathroom where he told her to find a neighbor to help him lift his wife from the tub Adda making a beeline for the helpful neighbor in question found Christie Daniels and asked her to come in and help when Christie offered though Martin burst out that he needed a man's help not hers Christy understanding that the man in the bathroom must be completely distraught went to find a man to help him out. Meanwhile Martin began. Calling 9-1-1 the first time he did. So Martin told the dispatcher that Michelle had fallen in the bathtub. The dispatcher asked if Michelle was conscious to which Martin replied no affirming Norther affirming with her that he himself was a physician. He stated that she was unconscious and underwater. The dispatcher asked Martin if he had gotten her out of the water and according to the dispatcher. He began yelling hysterically that he couldn't lift her so he drain the tub instead. The dispatcher finally asked if he knew CPR and Martin stated that he was doing it already an impossible feat if she was still currently in the bathtub. During the emergency dispatch Martin gave the wrong address any hung up three separate times on the dispatcher due to this responders didn't arrive for over 30 minutes to the scene in this time. Christie was able to retrieve her husband Doug to help Martin lift Michelle from the tub. It was at this time that people reported seeing Martin give mouth-to-mouth CPR to Michelle, although his face was never covered in the mucus that was on her head and her chest never seem to rise and fall. Each breath as is common with rescues in CPR. However, when paramedics arrived their efforts to perform CPR on her got Michelle to regurgitate about 7 Cups total of fluid. It was interesting that this fluid came up when the paramedics did their CPR but that when Martin performed it nothing came of it. However, Martin was more occupied with his yelling while the paramedics attempted to revive Michelle. He yelled. Why did you do this all because of a stupid surgery after attempting CPR on site the paramedics then rushed Michelle to the hospital where they continued resuscitation attempts on her. The doctor stopped attempting to resuscitate her at precisely 12. T 5 p.m. But Martin offered him $10,000 to keep trying regardless at 103. Michelle was pronounced dead. At home Martin was acting as a puppet master between his children. He told his son Damian and Damian is girlfriend to get rid of the pills that Michelle had after the surgery. He said that he couldn't bear to look at them anymore and soon Alexis also arrived Martin told Alexis though that he didn't know what happened to the medication and that the police must have taken it Alexa. So notice not only the missing medication. She also noticed that Michelle's room itself had been cleared and she later came across the Rug a pile of wet towels and clothing and Michelle's belongings all together in the garage. When asked how he found Michelle in the bathtub Martin relayed many different versions of the events that day when he spoke with the paramedics he had said that he had found her hunched over the bathtub with her head inside that scenario though would have not required any assistance when Martin tried to lift her from the tub Martin had yet, another version of the story for people who asked what happened. He told some that she had likely Fallen while preparing a bath for herself while he told others that she passed out first and then fell in Martin told even another story to one of his daughters saying that Michelle had been fully submerged accept her feet. Aida who discovered her in the Daniels the neighboring couple disagreed according to all three of them. Michelle was on her back in the tub and she was slumped down in the water Martin amidst all the confusion did find time to text Gypsy his nursing school paramour the day of Michelle's death the two of them exchanged 15 text and they even had two phone calls one occurred early that morning 6:48 a.m. While the other occurred almost three hours later at 9:26 a.m. It seems that whatever Martin story was there was more to it than he was sharing Martin demanded an immediate medical examination following Michelle's death and according to his daughter Rachel. He was worried there would be a police investigation and that he'd be suspected if they didn't have the autopsy straight away. As Martin requested one autopsy was performed that day after Michelle's death the doctor believed after performing the autopsy that Michelle did die from natural cardiovascular disease after all there was no evidence available to take into consideration because the death was already being considered an accident Martin apparently had nothing to worry about the autopsy also included a toxicology panel reporting many drugs and Michelle system on the day she died. I'd drugs for anxiety and pain as well as sleep aid and a post-surgery sedative or found inside Michelle and the toxicologist present. Dr. Gary Dawson stated that this combination of Valium Percocet Finnegan and Ambien could have a range of side effects on the subject from mild impairment of her cognitive abilities to complete unconsciousness. The doctor then stated that it would be likely that the person would be obtained adore unable to respond constructively to their environment these results though showed that all the drugs were taken approximately an hour before she died that day. According to Alexis Michelle had stopped taking all of these medications. So why on that day was she taking Ambien a sleep aid in the morning? Something was amiss though. It wasn't clear yet what that was two days after the examination. Michelle's funeral was held at the Manila Stake Center on the grounds of the Mount Timpanogos Temple Martin spoke at the funeral mainly talking about himself and only mentioning Michelle and passing during his speech smiling widely. He found himself talking about how weird it was to be a bachelor. Once more Martin even joked about being single at the luncheon that followed the Wrong much to the Chagrin of his older daughter Rachel another strange Occurrence at the funeral was the presence of gypsy. Once again Martin and she had shared several text messages 22, in fact, but Gypsy even attended the funeral service itself and during the course of the funeral for of those texts were sent between the two of them. Incidentally for over a year following his wife's death Martin refuse to place a marker on her grave site. Only after a host of complaints did Martin fashion or marker himself out of concrete placing it a top Michelle's resting place the marker which was a six-foot tall concrete surfboard was considered a nice for by many visitors to the cemetery. However, only a week had passed since Michelle's death before Martin had apparently gathered himself enough to return to work. He began wearing a different wedding ring one that he said was an old ring that he hadn't worn in a while. While at work, he erased all of his emails and all of the searches a strange activity for someone who was not even under investigation for the supposed accidental death of his wife. But that wasn't all that changed for Martin in the coming weeks late April or May he began to attend the temple to pray apparently about getting a new nanny one day as he prayed Gypsy came to him outside the temple stating that she was a nursing student named Julian at this Martin took her phone number and considered her a candidate for the nanny job about which he had been praying while for people applied to be the nanny for Martin only Gypsy or Jillian received an interview and eventually was hired. She moved into Martin's basement and did no nanny duties while living at the McNeil house. Martin would cook in this new nanny simply watched him do so. The two of them would also wind up going away for days at a time. Whatever this woman was. She clearly was not meant to be the new nanny for the McNeil household. However, she was not the only one not doing what she was supposed to Martin himself had begun to act even more strangely than before on May 23rd Alexis. His daughter had been sleeping on the bed in the master bedroom while Martin had been on the couch when Alexis awoke though, she found her father feeling her up rubbing her buttocks inside of her underwear all while licking and kissing her hand Alexis shocked slap Martin's hand away and demanded to know what he was doing. Martin simply responded by saying he was sorry and he gave a flaccid excuse saying that he thought Alexis had been her late mother Michelle later that same day Martin made another comment. He told Alexis that he was glad it was her and not one of the younger kids because he would have gotten in trouble in that case Alexis for fear of her siblings did not wind up leaving after the incident and said she and the other older daughters in the house were kicked out in June after confronting Martin about their mother's death. They asked him whether he had killed her and why he had moved his mistress into the house with them. The girls had already figured out that so-called Jillian was actually Gypsy the known mistress. Michelle had discovered was seeing her husband before she died. Martin cowering under the pressure of the truth called the police to have the young women removed from the house Alexis upon getting kicked out feared even more for the young children trapped with their deviant father and she attempted to get on Martin's good side again to secure custody of the younger siblings what Alexis asked for custody though, Martin stated his intentions to send them off to a family friend that the siblings barely knew. This situation wasn't ideal for the children either. So Alexis threaten Martin telling him she would report him for sexual assault if he didn't relent and give up custody to her. Martin and Gypsy had made a lot of Headway in their Twisted new life together and Martin even proposed to her. Although Gypsy had gone engagement ring shopping months before shortly following Michelle's death. Martin had Rewritten his will to give each of his kids one dollar leaving the rest of his possessions to Gypsy under the false name. She had been hired with Martin and Gypsy even went as far as getting a marriage license, although they never actually sealed the deal it was during this time that Martin's adopted daughter Giselle left for the Ukraine to visit her biological sister. However, once she landed Martin stopped returning giselle's calls essentially straining her there for months while her family arranged for a translator that they had used years ago during her adoption. Giselle who had no money was living in squalor after her so-called father had begun ignoring her calls. It was truly a nefarious but it seemed as though Martin wanted to sell out of the way for a reason but more of Martin's plans Came Crashing Down around him as Alexis reported his sexual assault on September 1st 2007. As a result Martin was fired from his job as he was charged with one count of forcible sexual abuse and one count of witness tampering. In April of 2008 the charges were dropped on January 15 2009. The charges were brought forth again, but the witness tampering charge was later dropped. While the sexual abuse case was pending Martin was charged with the murder of Michelle McNeil. Upon this arraignment Martin asked for the sexual abuse trial to occur after the murder trial the court agreed and Martin's trial was set for July 2014. He was later found guilty of forcible sexual abuse, which is a second-degree felony. He was sentenced to 1 to 15 years on this account and Alexis eventually earned custody of the three adopted girls aiming to protect them from whatever harm Martin could do. After Martin's arrest Alexis also changed her last name to her mother's maiden name Summers. It was time to Mark the separation from her and her deranged sick father. However, Alexis was not the only one to have grievances against Martin Gypsy herself came forward in November claiming that she was a victim of domestic abuse Martin know when speaking with Gypsy and the presence of a notary public was able to get the complaint recanted and dismissed dominating the conversation as they went. In fact when the investigators looked at the dismissal they notice the misspelling of gypsies name causing them to instead believe that Martin was the one who wrote the dismissal. As for the murder of Michelle things first became a little more Lucid at the Utah County Attorney's Office in 2008 when Alexis and Michelle sister Linda convinced the police to look into the death, they wound up investigating it as a possible homicide and one investigator first uncovered a plan between Martin and Gypsy to steal the identity of Giselle the young adoptee that Martin had left stranded in the Ukraine for months. In the summer of 2008 one of the McNeil daughters went to Martin to discuss her struggle with drugs. Martin suggested she kill herself this and the newly started investigation spurred one more involvement from the medical examiner's and although the original examiner had recently passed away another doctor stepped in to review the autopsy report made over a year ago. Dr. Todd gray upon reviewing the autopsy report stated that he would not amend the cause of death since there was nothing in the report that conclusively pointed to homicide. It wasn't until October 2010 after hearing all the other evidence and circumstantial evidence against Martin that he amended the cause of death to include the possibility that the drugs in her system had played a significant part in Michelle's death that wasn't the last word on the medical condition. However, One more Doctor. Dr. Joshua / / reviewed the autopsy to determine that it was highly possible that Michelle died of drowning due to the amount of water. She had inhaled Dr. / / listed the cause of death as undetermined leaving the floor wide open for investigators to play out their scenarios of the day of Michelle's death. In 2009 the Paradigm shifted once more as January concluded in a document for nine counts on Martin's part and 11 on gypsies for identity theft it seems as if they had succeeded in using giselle's identity to create fake IDs to open bank accounts under the name Julian McNeil and to use Michelle's funeral date as the wedding date for their counterfeit marriage. Martin had even assumed the identity of Michelle's attorney to deed the house, which was in Michelle's name to himself in March of the same year Martin plead guilty to identity theft and he began serving his four-year sentence in August that September. He also pled guilty to State forgery and fraud charges earning a 3-year sentence that would run concurrently with his Federal sentence for identity theft. Following his three years. He was to have six years of probation that same month Gypsy was sentenced to 21 months in federal prison for the identity theft she committed. She was forced to start her sentence early as prosecutors had reason to believe she would flee the country if they didn't enforce it immediately. Gypsy also received a sentence of three years probation when she was charged with State fraud and December of the same year the following January Damien committed suicide by overdosing on prescription drugs and in 2011 Gypsy was released from federal prison and returned to Utah. Over a year later Martin returned to his home in Pleasant Grove from federal prison, but it wasn't a long respite by the time Martin had been released. The investigated team had gathered everything they needed to put Martin away for much much longer. On August 24th, 2012 police felt like they finally had enough evidence against Martin Martin was charged with the first-degree murder and obstruction of justice the trial began on October 17, 2013 and Provo Utah the prosecution theorized that Martin killed Michelle to take up a new life with another woman Martin drug Michelle with the post-surgery medication, then either left her in the bathtub to drown or he held her head underwater. Martin as a physician himself knew the combination of medications he gave Michelle would be hard to detect during an autopsy. It was an almost perfect murder, but Martin's erratic behavior on the day of Michelle's death and after was Dripping with motive, The defense told the jury that yes, Martin had an affair, but that didn't mean he killed Michelle. They argue that Michelle died of natural causes that she had a heart attack and fell head first into the bathtub. The defense also stated that Martin could not have been at home at the time of Michelle's death since he was at the Safety Fair. During the trial 5 jailhouse informants testified the first and foremost testified that Martin told him he gave Michelle some oxy and sleeping pills. Then got her in the bathtub where he held her head under the water Martin told the first informant that he killed Michelle because she was in the way. The second informant testified that when he asked Martin if the rumors of killing his wife were true Martin said no one could prove he murdered her. The third and format testified that when he asked Martin if he killed his wife Martin said no, but if he did there was no evidence. The fourth and format testified that when he asked Martin about how he killed his wife Martin said the bitch drowned. V and Foreman said Martin told him he was getting away with murdering his wife and that he was glad the bitch is dead. After deliberating for 11 hours, Martin was found guilty of murder and obstruction of justice on November 9th, 2013. He was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison for the murder and one to five years in prison for obstruction of justice. His first parole hearing was scheduled for 2052 in December of 2013 Martin tried to commit suicide with razors, but was interrupted on April 9th. 2017 60 year old Martin macneill was found dead in the prison yard. Of the Olympus facility the death was ruled a suicide. He had used a hose and natural gas line to kill himself in an area where no cameras could see what he was doing. It's often a dark notion to consider that death is around every corner you consider the likelihood of a car crash or an aneurysm. It's quite show-stopping to say the least but people in every Walk of Life know the cost of living. It's that no matter what you can stop living at any given time. When you realize that the same odds are allotted to all of us. It makes life much easier to live through being ignorant of the dangers out. There does not increase your quality of life. It simply makes your demise more likely. By knowing what to expect around the corner your life can be made much richer with this simple yet intelligent reasoning if it happens. It happens. There are things you can prepare for such as when you are taught to cross the street when done appropriately crossing the street the right way can save many people from getting killed by oncoming vehicles in the same way knowing that devilish characters. Wait on the other side of the door help someone way their decisions and prepare for the unexpected without any knowledge of the evils out there people can't act against it. The McNeil's learned of evil and saw the signs though. They weren't able to save Michelle. They Able to honor her memory by bringing her real killer to Justice before others were hurt more seriously in Martin's attempt to get the things he wanted. It's thanks to their knowledge that the McNeil children were able to survive and can live somewhat normal lives now. So remember there's strength and understanding you should learn all you can from the dangers around you so that you'll be able to fight back when the time comes for some it will come and you simply need to make sure you're well prepared. We would like to shout out our newest Patron Emily from Utah. Thank you so much for joining our patreon. Your donation means a lot to us. Also, I'd like to shout out a couple people that went to devil. We know podcast.com and hit the Donate button. That is gabo from Phoenix, Arizona. Thank you so much, gabo. Also Melissa from Canton, Ohio. Thank you so much for your donation. 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Real quick. I recommend listening to this show on Spotify where you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free without a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every imaginable topic plus you can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever and whenever and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. So if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for optimal living daily on Spotify or browse podcasts in the Your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me. So you never miss an episode of optimal living daily. This is optimal living daily episode 1447 the doormat and the control freak healing with Solitude by Veronica to galava of Ronica dot-org and I'm your very own personal narrator Justin moloch reading to you from some amazing blogs and books to help you optimize your life. I cover a personal development or self-help minimalism meditation mindfulness and a lot more we cover a bunch of other topics in the optimal living daily podcast Network which includes four other shows. Definitely subscribe to those if you like this one just search for optimal living daily, wherever you're hearing this to find them now, let's get right to it as we optimize your life. The doormat and the control freak healing with Solitude by Veronica to galava a Veronica dot-org. I grew up undervaluing Solitude as an only child with immigrant parents who were struggling to make ends meet as my own constant companion. I spent those hours by myself constructing elaborate dream worlds in my head. I made up songs. I danced I play teacher to my stuffed animals. I explored my body. I read I left out loud in my own jokes. I never thought I love being alone. But neither did I think my mom only it just was what it was as I grew up. A teenager I spent less and less time with myself my moments with other people were exciting passionate bubbly my moments with myself weren't like that at all Solitude was the Beloved stuffed animal that I adored took everywhere slept with each night, but eventually grew tired of shoved into a box and a bandit in the Attic when I forsook my alone time, it wasn't just my imagination that I left behind. It's incredibly difficult for me to think for myself around other people. Begin to notice this tendency a few years ago. And the more I notice it now the more I realize how much is controlled me in the past when other people are around I can't always clearly identify what I want what I think or what I feel as soon as I get myself alone. It gets better The more I've observed this pattern The more I've traced it to a tendency to see my needs and the needs of others as a binary system either I get what I want or someone else gets what they want either I get my A or you get yours so as a kid, I often swallowed and what I thought Felton wanted because it was inconsistent with what my parents thought felt and wanted I put others needs above my own as a teenager. I began to rebel I put my needs above those in my parents. I wanted to have my own way for once Rebellion liberating me in one way and limited me and another in order to always put myself first. I throttled my empathy. I told myself that in order to be happy I had To do what was right for me and forget everyone else as you can imagine either submissiveness and or rebellion, led me to happiness. One of the most important lessons. I've learned over the past few years. It's that I don't always have to sacrifice my needs for other people. They don't always have to sacrifice. There's for me. I've learned this through Solitude. I remember some time ago. I had a horrible tension headache from a strain neck muscle. I went to take a long bath. Jamie was downstairs cooking us dinner and you turn on a podcast. Here to the walls the sound made me feel irritated and overwhelmed all these thoughts rushed through my head. Does he know my head hurts? Why would he be so loud? It's so inconsiderate. I thought about going downstairs and asking him to turn it down. But with how angry I was anything I said would have rubbed my mood off onto him. I didn't want us both to be in a bad mood when just wanted some rest and some peace. I tried breathing deeply meditating and even some merging my head each tactic worked for a little While but soon enough the noise would trigger even more pain. I felt helpless tears welled up in my eyes as I looked around the room desperately. I noticed the switch for the bathroom fan. Sure silence would have been nice but white noise was a good option to relieve the turn on the fan. It's low hum drowned out all the sounds around me slowly. I relaxed when I came downstairs. Jamie had finished dinner. He asked me how I was feeling we talked. I told him what had happened. Of course. He had no idea I could His podcast me hugged me. We had a delicious dinner and a great conversation how differently that night would have gone if I had marched downstairs angry covered in soap and reminded him through gritted teeth that I had a headache or if I'd stayed in that tub angry than helpless stand and crying and emerged even more exhausted than I had gone in my sound like a silly little story. But to me this moment was pivotal when I chose to turn that fan on. I neither sacrificed my comfort for his Or trampled on his to make room for mine. That's the important part. I found a way to make my own Comfort regardless of his actions to this day. When I feel I have to choose between my own happiness in someone else's I try to look for the bathroom fan option. I asked myself if other people can have their way and I can have my own at this point in my life. I find this question difficult to ask in the presence of other people. Maybe I'll change over time. I'm learning slowly, but for now I try to create a safe solitary. Is for myself on a regular basis where I can return to who I am and what I want where I can return to a place of love for myself and others. It's a funny thing love we so often think it's something we feel only around other people, but for me my need to constantly detach myself from other people in order to feel love for them. I need to connect to the loving presence within my own body and mind so that I can bring that presence to my interactions with others when I'm alone. I could take the time to process through my oceans to remember what's important to me to figure out what I want to do to decipher between the resistance I should counter and the resistance I should honor Solitude makes me strong then I bring that strength to my relationships. I don't need to resist my desires or other people's wishes. I can accept the validity of everyone's Journeys including my own and I can choose to walk away from relationships where there's no room for both of us to be human. Am I good at this? I don't think so. But the most important thing in my eyes anyway, is that I'm trying I'm trying to formulate a bond with myself that strong enough to weather the influence of the outside world. It's hard, but I'm doing the work and that's enough for me. You just listen to The Post titled the doormat and the control freak healing with Solitude by Veronica to galava a Veronica dot-org a real quick. Thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast. 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Vironika Tugaleva shares her thoughts on healing with solitude. Episode 1447: The Doormat and the Control Freak: Healing With Solitude by Vironika Tugaleva on Choosing Happiness Vironika Tugaleva was born in Donetsk, Ukraine in 1988. Her early years as a misfit began her painful struggle with mental health. As she struggled with self-acceptance, anxiety, and identity, Vironika found solace in words and music. Her first book, The Love Mindset, won the Readers' Favorite silver medal for Best Self-Help book of 2013. Driven by an urge to spread light in the world, Vironika began to do life coaching, speaking, and writing in the personal growth field. In 2014, Vironika sold her things, left Toronto, and became a digital nomad. She launched her 2nd book in 2017, The Art of Talking to Yourself. Currently, Vironika is working on a poetry book, writing and peforming spoken word, and planning arts-related events. The original post is located here: https://www.vironika.org/doormat-control-freak-solitude/  Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

Hey, this is Jason overcome Redmond. Thanks for tuning into the Jr. Overcome show. If you love this show we would love for you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave a five-star review. Leave a comment and share with your friends. Everybody wants to be on top of the problem nowadays is people want to get dropped off at the top of the hill. I'm just that I overcome mindset that makes all the difference. Either way. We're taught is you're going to call going to scratch gonna bite. You're going to dig you're going to do whatever it takes to. Get to the top of that mountain bad unequivocally is how I have managed to keep myself moving forward and finding success to sealed One mission the Jr. Overcome show and welcome back to the chay-ara overcome show. This is episode 18 man. What a run dude I tell you why last week's episode our last episode episode 17 with Taya Kyle. I have had people blow me off right and left man. Yeah. It was a steamroller man. We are just crushing it at every Every week, I don't know how we do it. But we seem to out top the guess that we had the week prior and once every week I say we can't top this guest. It's true. It's true and I tell you what, this week's guest is pretty amazing. The story is absolutely incredible. But going back to teh. I mean people just wrote me laughing and just and and Ryan I got to tell you you suck at editing because you didn't tell any of my my game show your name edit out a single thing. I told you it was a total train wreck funny. Train wreck. The world's worst games video was going to work with it. And that's why I didn't edit it out. So well, it was dude. I listened to it and cringed although I will admit that we got to call this a certain things. I'm not even going to repeat them again. But yeah, the two words rock-hard you had so many people that texted me or were like you got to be kidding. It's so hot. I translate that the giant cock remember yeah conquer conquer. Yeah. She conquers she'll good. It was good stuff Ray. What do you got going, brother? Still working on the camps. I'm getting ready to head. Let's see. I'm heading down to Texas to do a little filming project. I'm then heading out to Chino Hills California with the man the myth the legend himself bedros. Keuilian s turquoise, then I'm going right out to go see. Mr. Josh all going to do a little one-on-one week training in Wisconsin. And then right after that, you know me and you've got some things coming up. Maybe you want to talk about that. Yeah, maybe the we got some we're working on some of the conquer and overcome Camp. So we're going to be putting some things together raise going to be bringing the Thunder to build you into highly motivated disciplined Elite performing teams, and I will be laying down some leadership teaching you how to get off the X and lead people through those life ambushes and we're putting all that together. It's going to be pretty amazing. So if you were on the edge of your seat right now and you're like, I want a little love My life it's coming. It's coming. So I got excited. I legitimately you welcome. I raised I raised the bar so to it. So I'm what am I doing? What are you doing Mom? I'm heading out tomorrow and I'm going to be with the man bedros his business partner Craig Ballantyne down in Florida, and he working with him at his Mastermind both learning and laying down the Thunder teaching people how to get past these life Ambush as micro. Minor and major life Ambush as we all encounter them. I encounter them you encounter them Ryan and counters. Mmm. Our Guest has encountered them. Yeah and more than more than his fair. Share. My God. Are you got the really speaking at this Mastermind? I am that's epic. That is the definition of speaking it at one of mr. Vallot. Yeah, that's insane. I just leave it on super honored. I'm super honored and I'm going to I'm going to spread some love and thunder and then from there. I'm heading to Las Vegas for a speaking event for a company RPS that does a lot of amazing. In drone work. So it's a lot of X Air Force guys ex military guys, and we're going to be talking about leadership and teamwork before I head home and then I'm out in Vegas. I'm sorry. I'm out in Chicago the 15 through like the 20th and doing an event doing several events. I'm going to be talking about mental health with the Chicago Police and Fire Department. Dude. They are struggling man. There are struggling we had to Law Enforcement Officers. Just last week who took their own lives. So we've Got to beat this epidemic man in the military and law enforcement are First Responders. This is not the answer if you were hurting right now and you're listening to this show, you got to reach out and got to get help man both Ray and I and so many other Tier 1 tier high-tier operators. It is not the answer no matter how dark you feel like it is brother. You are not alone. You are not alone. And that is not the answer. That's what we're going to be talking about on the 15th up in Chicago and then Brent Magnuson and I are doing an event wake up. Overcome at the VFW. So if you want to hear about a little bit of structure and discipline and how to get off the X we're going to be doing that and then I'm doing some more with the Chicago Police Department's out there. So that's what I got coming on over the next couple of weeks. You got me beat. Well, you know, we're both a we're both grind and grind and we are entrepreneurs we are making things happen and you know what it's going to catch fire this year. So it's good to go. So let's let's jump into the show. Let's do it. Are you ready? I'm ready bam. Let's do it. It I love it. I love it. So, you know the the individual that we have and last time we flip things up last time we flip things up and we did the introduction and then we got into the word of the day and I think we need to do that again. I like the flow of better that way. Yeah, it's load. Okay, let's flow let it flow. So I want to tell you guys about this individual. He reached out to me on social media and I'll be honest. I wasn't familiar with this story before he reached out to me and he wrote me and I read through and I Blown away I was so impressed and I forward it to my brother Ray cash care and I forwarded it to Ryan our producer and I said, what do you guys think about this and whether they were like, this is an amazing Story the jar overcomes show is about leadership and overcoming adversity and this story is just built on those foundational principles actly. So I want to tell you about our guest Our Guest was born in Iraq and in grew up under saddam's rule on and it just an oppressive just tyrannical Rule and from a young age. He just fell under this and ended up being a young man who went into one of the prisons in Iraq, and he was beaten almost every day in this prison and when American forces decided to come into Iraq to overthrow Saddam and provide freedom for the Iraqi people from that moment forward. He said I want to help I want to see my country free. I want to help the Americans who are trying to help us and from that day forward it changed his life. He joined the Iraqi Army. He was he saw some of the most intense fighting in the beginning of the war as a young Iraqi troop on one engagement and we're going to talk about this in the interview. He went in with 29 teammates at the end of that firefight at the end of that engagement only nine people. People came out alive and it was so devastating to his unit. He was provided a battlefield promotion and we don't see these things in the American Military that used to happen like in World War II and I know I'm Vietnam it still happened, but we haven't seen a battlefield promotion in a long time in the American Military and our guest was promoted at the age of 22 command sergeant major. This is a position that's reserved for individuals that have been in for like 30 years exactly. He was 19 years old. He is the youngest command sergeant major ever in the history of Iraq from there. He went on to become a Intel operative working heavily entrenched with American forces and became one of the most critically important assets working with the American government at that time during that period of history and he just made a tremendous impact he saved lives. He is directly credited with thwarting specific attack. X and from there it got so dangerous for him that he had to leave Iraq, and he came here to the United States. He has now an American citizen. He has written an incredible book called the terrorists Whisperer. He has an amazing documentary that is not out yet, but we got to see a sneak peek man's it is absolutely awesome. So it is my great honor to invite and welcome to the show. Mr. Sergeant major Hamada just seemed brother. Welcome to the show take you guys. It's really an honor to be here with you guys. Yo, man. We are glad to have you you have an absolutely amazing story. It is just incredible brother. I mean it is the foundation of what this shows about. You know, when when we try to select our guests and things like that, you know, we have a process, you know that we go through a process of elimination and you know, obviously I knew who you were ahead of time and soon as we you know, we Did the research it's like it was a no-brainer. We're like this guy is the epitome of overcoming conquering and doing things. I consider you the ultimate the ultimate servant because you really served not only your country but you serve the United States to you did what was boast both you did what was best for both Nations? So we both salute your brother. Thank you. It's an honor being here with you guys. And I think that I will be able to release why I wanted to be in this podcast and I think I'll be able to tell you this Secret. End of the show. Alright, man. We love it. Yeah, we love it. So as we do with every show we have the word of the day and we reach out to our guests and the show is built around that word and we reached out to Hominy and I said to him. Hey, man, what word describes you and describes your life. And I love some of our guests. It takes them a little while. It may be a day before they get back to me. They'll say hey, I need to think about it others of our guests. It's instant. And how many was one of our guests that it was absolutely instant he replied back. Immediately and he said my word is detailed. So, mr. Kerr would you do the honors? I would detailed it is to find it here. I want to make sure I use the right one giving a lot of information with many details, which I think specifically Defines who you are in which you did there's a couple different definitions of detailed. But what I try to do is find the right one, which would represent what you did when you started collecting data and information, but without further Ado sir, what is your definition and rep representation of the word detailed? Detail for me comes from attention to detail and attention to detail was literally everything for me during that time of War its intention to detail not only have saved American lives and during the war for me back then but it also has helped foil. A lot of attacks against American soldiers and Iraqis during that time. So in addition to detail it was truly the main key success. For me it during that era during that time and it was there truly the one weapon that was in my Austin area. That was keeping me going and keeping me Victorious during those tough times in Iraq. You know, it's funny when you were when I read this and I started thinking about it. Actually, you know, the SEAL Teams we talk about it all the time we talk about. Hey, man attention to detail it is those little details that will get you killed if you're not paying attention and it brought to mind a story. Three that actually happened to me because I had failed to pay attention to detail and it almost cost me my life. So when I was going through school through college, I still had to maintain my qualifications for jumping and shooting in order to maintain our special pays because I was still active duty. So I'd come back to the SEAL Teams comedy. Probably. I don't know once a year and I go jump with the team and I'd go shoot and I'd blow stuff up to keep my qualifications while I was still on active duty while I It's working towards getting my commission. So one night I came back and they were doing a nighttime water jump and I hadn't jumped in probably a year and jocked up with a platoon. I was the last guy out of the bird. It was late at night and the wind had picked up this night. We were probably right on the edge of what the what the winds were. They were probably blowing at least 18 knots and so I came down in the darkness and there's a sequence that you have to do in order to prepare to hit that that water so that you can immediately get out of your harness and I knew I needed to get out of it fast with these winds. I knew that the water was going to be whipping and I came down and I hit the water and I had forgot to release my chest strap. I totally forgot to release my chest trap. I had everything else ready, you know Reserve parachute belly band out of the way and I tell you what the wind caught my shoe and pulled me forward and started launching me across the water and I was planning on my back under the water. I could not I could not sit up and literally I was getting ready to drown when this little voice inside me was like dude reach up there, you know grab a line Pull It in Pocket cave. Well, yeah, and finally I managed to get it but dude, I was choking seawater. I mean I was like a few seconds away from blacking out and it was all because I'd failed to pay attention to detail. I had missed a step because I was Rusty. I had not done it in a long time. So how many I love you? Or word because it is critical that saves lives and obviously what you've done as save lives, you know, so you ready to dive into this. Let's get to it. You ready? All right, let's let's let's go. So tell us about the terrorist Whisperer what led you to write it and what part of the book stood out most to you and have the most impact while you were writing it, you know, according to your life truly that since I arrived in this country 2008. I was ready to walk away from that life as it remind me of A lot of lost a lot of losing my buddies. It was a very different world for me. So when I came to this country, I was really ready to start a new life and new family and just walk away from that life and live totally another life until about Isis started taking a rocky territories and I was watching the army that I fought for it to build was losing its the ground getting demolished by ISIS and I lost honestly the majority of my soldiers and majority. A of my teammates during this recent fight against Isis when they were losing I'm Barbara Province territory to Isis muzzle and all these events were happening. I was literally sitting home hearing every day. I would get a message. Why didn't wake up. This guy died. This guy. We lost him. This guy got captured a life. We don't know what happened to him and it was in a point where I wish I could have walked away from my life here. And got back to the fight and I would look into the face of my wife my kids and decided just really to release my anger by grabbing a pen and I wanted to do something to honor their service, you know, not just Iraq also to America a lot of them love this country. A lot of them loved the movies left the cowboy movies about this country. A lot of them believed in loved Americans that train them and we're thankful. For that and I wanted to do something that they would be remembered as through and that's when I really realized that I needed to release my story. There was always a security risk about releasing a story like mine, but I can't do the point is is that if my buddies were given their lives in the battle. I shouldn't be scared about giving my life here in this country. So I decided to release the story release talk to all the intelligent officers. I worked for back in the day got their opinion told him what I thought and all of them supported me. Not one of them have said don't do it. You know, you might get killed. Somebody might find you you're going to release this has been a mystery for them. They never knew who you were and now you're going to tell them that you're here you're alive because when I left in 2007, all of them thought that I was dead and I was announced dead and a hospital and when I grab that pen this is when I realized that you know, this is was a a way that was going to book me back in the fight with my buddies and it was the best decisions I ever made. I love it honey. You were talking about the Isis moving in and I got to tell you as a guy so I fought pretty heavily in 2007 in Al anbar. We were we were operating in Fallujah and in Carmen. I know you talked about karma in in your in the documentary and we were working with both the Iraqi Special Forces and some of the Iraqi National Police and I know for a fact And a lot of those guys were killed when Isis swept through al-anbar. I am always frustrated watching and seeing where we came because I knew when there was Talks Of Us pulling out in 2010 that that the Iraqi forces were not ready yet that that we weren't quite we hadn't reached a level at least that's what I felt. I was really worried about us pulling out too soon. What are your thoughts because you know you were there and you were leading. And it's just so frustrating for me. We lost teammates when we were there in 2007. We lost some of the Iraqis we were working with and to have given up this ground that we fought so hard for and really to see some stability in 2008-2009 into 2010 from a lot of the efforts at so many forces put in part of the surge you were contributing to that is it was really really hard for me to watch so for you? What what did you see? I mean, obviously you lost friends and you help you help build this level of stability before it imploded. This is actually a whole entire chapter in my book. And I beside this as I've been mentioned also in the book because I and the film as you saw I did not get into the political side of it. It's really pulling the troops out of Iraq back in 2012. It was one of the worst decisions that we ever made As Americans as a Iraqi soldier that I know there were projects in the ground that we are being built to have the American advisers being part of it walking us through as Iraqi soldiers and Iraqi leaders through these programs that were going to take years to establish the quality of military that we need the quality of soldier over Iraqi soldier that we were building at the time and these things were going to take years to have so our plans and the US of plans back then is to work together with the Americans as long as we can. To get these projects done and the Iraqi military. We're not anywhere near being ready to be left on its own. Unfortunately. What have happened. Is that our leaders in DC back then during President Obama administration have what we say is that they have bought they have bought the debt traps that the terrorist organization has set for them in Iraq. They have convinced them that Iraq want to be in its own and we need You guys to leave and pull out and within 45 days of the u.s. Troops have pulled out of Iraq. Most of these Isis Fighters that you saw that you fought in 2014 and 2013 were not actually coming from Syria to Iraq. That was actually not true media have been reporting about that. It was not accurate at all. These were the same Fighters that mean you'll have fought in 2005 during The Surge who actually escaped out of prison after 45 days. And one attack about 700 of them broke out of the Abu ghraib prison. So this was like a reset for a fighting game. Yeah. We just reset it. We love them out. They're all back there. Now they got out and they are more vicious more violent because they already knew who we are. They already seen the Americans they been in a u.s. Detaining facility and this is pretty secure and I know that for sure that when we was to get Terrace and locate him when they go to u.s. Detention, T that the possibility of them escaping out of that is very low but once the troops got pulled out they got transferred from these detaining facility. They almost went to a building that look like a high school in America and within 45 days, of course, they planned that tax from this side and they knew this was the time to get out. Yeah, it is frustrating and I think we could spend an entire show talking about this and we try you know that we never go political on this show. We want to focus. On leadership and overcoming but I feel your frustration. I watched it and was just I was angry to be perfectly honest and I thought about you know, what a travesty I want to I want to jump. I want to go back to a spawn point because you talked about the Abu ghraib prison and you spent time maybe not in that prison, but you spent time in Iraqi prison. I want to know about that. I think so many of our listeners want to know I mean our prisoners here in the United States of America are so So fortunate they're so fortunate because we have regulations we have you know, we have civil rights. So obviously we have to take care of our prisoners. They get fed. They get AC often times. They get TV and a five-star hotel can yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I went to the prison in Fallujah when I first got there my my commanding or my My Ground Force Commander and I went to the prison and we stepped. And and I've dude it was horrendous. So tell me about that time in the prison and how it built this overcome mindset within you that you wanted to drive forward and Conquer and and set you on this path that you went down and let me cut you off right there, sir. Let me ask you to add to this too. If that wouldn't happen to you at 12 years old. This is the question like when I watch the documentary and I've read everything is if you weren't imprisoned and you can get into all that do you think you would have still taken? In the same path because I always talk about it with my conquer mindset. There's a time when a man has to face reflection in there's those Pinnacle moments in a young man or a man's life this to me. Is that Define moment. Would you do you think you would have taken the same path? If you would have either given your money up and you can get in that story or that would have never happened on top of the prison. So just keep that in the back of the mind sure. I think to answer that question pretty fast. Is that absolutely not Because it's all until I walked into an Iraqi prison. I was a kid. I was just a 12 year old kid that refused to give his money to a corrupted member of the time of the police and when I went into that prison and I got treated the way it is is because I end up cursing that person and when I curse them this was a big deal in our culture. I got booed in prison. He wrote a false report put me there and when I got beat in that prison in a 12 year old kid, I was in a prison called I test for Rod which is inside of the rock. He Ministry of interior back then and I was being treated as an enemy of a state not as a child back. Then when I walked out of that place after my family have bait a ransom to the person there. And this was a common process back then if you have faith cash, you can delete all these reports and walk away. And the point was it is that for me not to face a trial and if I have faced a trial as a person that was doing something and yes this state it would have been Would have cost me my life and once you are considered an enemy of that regime or an enemy of movement, you're not going to be looked at as a child anymore. They going to look at you as An Enemy of the State and they can put you on execution immediately and my family have to pay to get me out a one. I walked out of that place. I was beaten I was tired and my personality has changed about a hundred and ninety percent and when I walked away from that sliding door of that prison to go. Go home. I didn't have shoes. I was in a very tough Scheib. I have not eaten. Well, I have not been to the bathroom and weeks and I just looked back and I looked at myself and I said one day I'm going to get an opportunity to kick your butts. And I don't know when I don't know how but if ever I come back to this opportunity to stop these guys from doing what they're doing. I will take it whatever it will take me and I'll Going to take the opportunity and my opportunity was right in front of my door in 2003 when I opened my door and I saw an American Soldier standing there. Amen, man. That is awesome, man. What a powerful story, you know so many people go their whole lives without I know it's crazy because pumps so many people go their whole lives without a pivotal moment like that and and and some are even when they're older they're in their 20s and 30s and they still don't know where they're going and one of the things I love about your story hominy and you even talked about it right there how you ended up in prison as you had somebody that was trying to take your money and you write about this in your bio on your website, you know, right or wrong and and everything for you was grounded in that principle and it goes back to that foundational moment that that puts you in prison and then launched you to become the leader and Warrior. You became yeah and what I think so amazing about this story is you know, obviously I don't want to bring up a lot of memories, but you know you were I think in prison for three weeks Four weeks four weeks. I apologize and I don't want to sell it short but I thought you went through traumatic events daily. We talked about this and wait wait wait, so okay because if it was three weeks I was getting ready to stop the I was getting ready to stop the interview. So now that I know it's for we children weeks three weeks. She does he know I was told it was four weeks when I got out. I never remember lose track of time exactly never when I went in. It was a later in the evening and I never even was able to To because of the trauma and the beating that I was going through and being hit in my head a lot. I was not I lost count on the day. So I would ask the prisoners after the first week and what what would day was and what time is it or any of this because I didn't have anything at the time not to mention. You're 12 years old. I'm not yeah mentally and physically ready. No one's really mentally and physically ready to be tortured let alone at 12 years old, but what I love and again, I'm going to use Jason's word versus mind is how you came. Out and you overcame a situate would have been so easy to cower down and just for the rest of your life. Just I've been beaten. I've been broken I give up and what I love about it and that's why we were like hell yes, as you changed you change lives not only your life and you started with your life, but you changed many lives you saved many lives in the thing is is you know, I know me and I speak for Jason me. We applaud you for that because there are people that we see and deal with you know, we do. A tional coaching and speaking that don't deal with a tenth of what you deal with and they're throwing their hands up gone. I won't quit. I'm done time down to 1% It's ridiculous. So then you know, I would love to next time. I do one of my coaching sessions. Have you come on and tell them what you went through for four weeks and then go, you know, maybe if you put in perspective the shit that you're going through isn't really that bad, you know, so thank you my pleasure. So how many from from there man that day that that Soldier was outside. Your door in 2003. How old were you at that point 2003? I was 17 years old. Okay 17 and you you went out and you wanted to join the Iraqi military at that point you did you joined and one of the first things that you had to do with fighting was really picking up and Haifa Street for those who don't know at that point in time was one of the most dangerous places in Iraq and you were instructed to go down and help recover the bodies of individuals. Who were Were trying to join the Iraqi military and I wasn't sure if it was accredited Al-Qaeda or the Insurgency. But either way it doesn't really matter. They these individuals who wanted to fight for the freedom of their country were mowed down and executed right there in the street and you had to go down there and help with that. I just want to know what was going through your mind. You've already been through some horrific instances, and now you've joined the Iraqi Army and now you're helping to Our bodies of individuals who all they were trying to do was join. They weren't even in uniform yet during that day. This was like I you know, these days are very memorable like member of days in my life because when I when I got out of prison, I was not a kid anymore and when I went to Haifa Street before I went to High Street, I was barely not a leader yet and I was just a young Mattoon sergeant that got cold. By his Commander to go Retreat these bodies. I was already defending their racket recruiting center, which is almost on the air for base to defending that place to get recruits in into the building to want to fill the paperwork and there was already so much explosions car bombs going on and when I got that call from my commander that day and he told me the location of the dead bodies of these Iraqi civilians something cold winds through my heart because I was already A mile and a half from - Street and I was already getting enough heat in my friend checkpoint. And now I was being told to go all the way down towards the end of it to retreat dead bodies to take them to Iraqi hospital where their families can pick them up. I knew that day something something terrible that was going to go down. So when me and my Batoon leader back then got on these trucks got on a pickup trucks and as you know, there were a key Army at the time was not equipped with The best quickness back then we didn't even have armored Humvees. We had pickup trucks are Soldiers the biggest gun that we ever owned was a pkc which is equal to an M249. And that's all we have and never realized what was going on that day. We drove through that road and it was not usual to see that road not busy and not crowded and something not right that you were smelling there. So when we realized as we drove in silence, That road that something doesn't look right. We have a drove in and the location where the bodies were placed. We knew something wasn't going to go down. All right that night and we got down. It was under the bridge that ended in the end of Haifa Street. The bodies were all piled up right under the bridge near the water and the fire fire started literally after three minutes of us walking down to the dead bodies and we realized once we walk down to them. This was an ambush. That was designed by a terrorist named say it hits him back. Then who is known as say it hits him who was a former Republican guard staff officer that was more of the designer of these kind of ambushes in Haifa Street and what this was the mind of Haifa Street. This was the guy that designed all these ambushes for the Iraqi soldiers for the ICBC back then and for the first American first Cavalry unit, so when we got there so homely, let me I gotta interrupt. Cause I think I was a little confused, you know, which happens sometimes I will be the first to admit it. But so when you went to go help recover the bodies is actually when that huge fire fight broke out. I thought those were two separate incidents, but that huge fire fight where 29 and you went in and only nine came out. It was the same. That was an ambush. I did not realize. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so please keep going and where order to pick up the bodies and just literally before we even touch the first body to put them in the pick up a truck. That's when an RPG flew into one of our pickup trucks and they were hiding behind the walls which faced the river and where we were located which put us at a disadvantage because they were much more in Higher Ground than we are. So there are potentially drove us to get there. They put the bodies there that day there are planning to capture an Iraqi soldier in uniform to but him on national TV, so that way there Rocky people stop joining the racket. Sorry, because their tactics of a blowing up there I can recording Center where I was working and protecting originally was not really working. Well, so they decided to figure out a way to capture and soldier in uniform and to put that on national TV. So that would put more fear and their Rocky people that are willing to join the Iraqi military and it truly it made such an impact because after we left I had never had a count of how many my soldiers still alive. I have lost contact. Act with my Batoon commander of the time who was a lieutenant and I did not see him until I walked out of that place escorted by an American Soldier an American medic and I saw his body was hanging right in the intersection of Haifa Street, and I realized that he was beheaded he had run out of ammo and they have captured him and cut his head and hang them right on the intersection on Haifa street. So I lost control of my guys. I didn't really realize how many people we lost it was the first day. My life to actually realize that the training with the opposite hand on how to use a gun at paid off that day because I end up as you can see closer in the camera. I have a cut here above my eye. Yeah shit shrapnel that I got hit so my eyes opened up and I was a bleeding so I lost sight with my right eye. So I end up switching my gun to the left side and our Marine Corps structures probably were the best people that that you know of that I should dedicate my whole life into because they taught me how to use my opposite and and it truly that was the day that I realized my left hand had as a use and I was able to switch my gun and used left side and I didn't even have to close my right eyes because was already shut down. So I was using my left eye and what I got out I was ordered before I got in the ambulance to count my guys and when I counted I realized that I only had a Eight people that was around me and looked back and I was asking for everybody else. I thought we got separated into different groups and I realized that everybody was gone. They had a sniper that's set in one of the buildings that was taken the high ground and he has a plow through our soldiers one after another and I lost one of my best buddies there that day that literally slumped and the bunk bed. That's right above me and came back to the unit. People were scared in my unit. They looked at me and looked at everybody and what happened to us. However our unit quit their jobs that day literally just took off the uniforms backed up their civilian clothes and realized that a hundred and fifty thousand Iraqi dinner, which is equal to about $100 a month. It wasn't going to be enough to lose your life and they walked out of the door and not only that but the repercussions that could happen to the family for the for the listeners in the Viewers are you know, whoever's listening to this is you know, there could have been so many repercussions for the family. I like I said when I watch the documentary, I knew that was going to happen. I mean literally like as I was watching it, I knew well that was her attack. Yes, you know 29 go in nine come out. It's just a matter of time before people sit around and go that's not going to be me. But the question I have with that is I mean that is thank goodness. You're still here. God bless you bless you and not as a hell of a a story obviously nothing but respect for your Fallen comrades, but how long after that you weren't a commands you you didn't get the feel promotion until after that event correct exact. So it was actually at that two days after so two days after so a couple questions I have with that, you know, there's a few things maybe the listeners don't know you are want the youngest field promoted sergeant majors in the history of Iraq. Can we all agree on that? 19 or 20? I mean you can I'll let you give the exact. Are the numbers on that and then correct me if I'm wrong when I was listening to it. You were number six, right? You are number six of the new Iraqi Army. Am I correct like you were you know, so that is like I got to have some fun here the OG of the new Iraqi Army. I mean that is huge. I mean that is your one of the founding fathers of the new Iraqi Army. How did you feel and how do you still feel about you know carrying that because when I was watching Watching the documentary the movie. Someone said in one word at 19 or 20 years old he has and I quote some sterile Burke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he has some serious street cred. So go ahead and expand on that if you and I got one thing I want to add just in this harmony is and I'd like to know if this was going through my I imagine it is because I mean so many people when we talk about leadership who get put into leadership positions unexpectedly nowhere near what you were a But unexpectedly or they get asked to move up and they feel like I'm not ready for this. Did you feel that because your man I don't want to show you her 19 year old kid because you'd live more than the vast majority of men who walked this planet at this point. But what were you thinking when they said hey, we're going to make you the command sergeant major after all that. I mean, it's incredible truly. This brings me back to a conversation. I was having the day right after this happened. We were getting the bodies of our soldiers. Bag we were trying to notify their families. Let them know to come pick them up and watching our soldiers walking out of them offend the aerofoil Airfield Base with their bags and just going home and quitting their jobs and remember that conversation with some of my team members and looked at each other and said, do you want to go home? If you go home? This is really what they want. They want you to take off this uniform and go home and that's exactly why they were killing you in the first place and I looked at everybody and I said, you know, I don't have anywhere to go if I go home most likely they'll put a nice is through my throat in my neighborhood and I said, you know, I already seen what a bullet feels like already felt with a strap and I'll go through your body. Like I said, you know if I was gonna die, I'm gonna die fighting them. So I decided to stay and I turned around and I went back to my room and I said I didn't want to watch anybody leaving and my commander came over and said, you know, they needed just tomorrow to be in the ministry of Defence to be rewarded. For all the battles that we dealt with through and he said the rocky Minister himself at the time has a Michelle on wants to meet us personally and I went there and there was an American Special Forces team. That was a present during that time. I was the only Rocky & Co that time that was the highest in CEO of that led that battles remained after my commander was killed so when I got there and I got promoted immediately the US Special Forces how requested me to be the command sergeant major for the Iraqi Ministry of defense and Was the day that actually transferred out of my unit and I brought my whole entire team with me to lead the Iraqi Ministry of Defense man. I tell you what and that is the day that changed your life because you stepped into the ministry of Defence and people need to understand this literally is the Hub of the Iraqi government at this time and the Iraqi military and man there were the Enemy Within all around because you had America forces that were working in there trying to establish how we were going to fight this war and how we were going to build our relationships and you had the Iraqi military that was in there and you know, we had the Insurgency there was so many different loyalties if you will and you started to see this and you saw an opportunity and your Allegiance was you basically picked right from the start. I'm going to help the Americans and this led you down a road truly to become a All collection officers what you really became you became an amazing asset to the United States of America. So tell me about that progression and then I want to talk a little bit about two specific incidents to attacks that you forwarded that would have cost. A lot of people their lives truly that event was very interesting because as I went to the recognition defense it was in order that I received like just like any other soldier in any military I even order to a commenda place and I went there and when I got to that building I kind of looked at my team and I said, you know, this is a probably easier Mission than what we're dealing with. So, hey, we're out of Haifa Street. This is a new Mission but probably won't be as violent as what we were in Haifa Street and I was wrong until about I walked into the building and I was being introduced by American counterparts telling me about the security of the building the checkpoint and about how many Iraqi employees that would be walking into the building and Something got my intention as I walked into the building that the Americans wanted me to protect the building from the outside and to secure the entry of their rackets. The employees are coming in every single day. But as I was looking at the faces of their Rockies that were working inside of the building and some of the generals that was working already or hired already in the ministry of Defence. It kind of like it made me take a seat and a corner and just laugh and my American counterpart Latin, you know, the time looked at me with a weird look and say Said you know why you're laughing and I said it's kind of interesting you wanted me to protect the building from the enemy and the outside while the enemy is already inside of it. And multicolored lights kind of like being in a hen house and then they want you to put up more fences, but they're the wolves are already sent any other I'm so I can their chops. Exactly. So what was interesting is that you know, we're secured the front of the check when we secure the building but then I look to the inside of the building and I'm like, well, this is not this is going to be very interesting. So I was a briefing my teens and we're looking the politically they recommend history of defense was changing based on the political. The situation and the Iraqi government things were getting divided based on your religious background. So the Sunni that she had everybody was taking Ministries based on that religious background. So it was pretty interesting because we had a shot minister of the time and all of a sudden things changed and shifted in the Iraqi government and were received as Sunni Minister from The ambar Province who is coming into the ministry of Defence and when we were watching the political shift at the time and it Very interesting moments while I was dealing with the car bombs that was blowing up every single day and the front checkpoint. I was also watching the changes that were happening inside and I think personally that until about that time. The Insurgency in Iraq were afraid of the Americans. They thought the Americans have some kind of magical glasses that they would see everything they would know everything until about that time. They realized that the Americas really didn't know who is who in Iraq. And they don't have to hide anymore. They don't have to be behind walls anymore. They can just come and form a political party and be part of the Iraqi government because under Saddam we only had the bath party which the Downs political party and now all of a sudden you have multi hundred parties coming through. So a lot of these terrorist organizations took advantage of that moment and kind of shifted themselves in into the Iraqi government, which gave them a place in the Rocky Ministry of Defense. So the Rocky Even though the Iraqi government was getting divided by the Iraqi Ministry of defense was it was getting caught like a piece of a cake and all of a sudden you had a groups were controlling the finance department the contract and debarment their Rocky joint of the chief of staff and you'll find yourself right in the middle of yeah all with different alliances. I got it was amazing, you know the colonel that you worked with he when he was talking about, you know, going out on smoke breaks with people and knowing That especially the individual who ended up you ended up forwarding the attack like he knew this guy was bad. But you know, it was just part of the life that you guys lived in the ministry of Defence. I mean, you know you had to I mean my God, it really was like this. I don't know Game of Thrones thing going on like you're you know having to be nice and interact with people but you never know when you're going to turn around and they're going to try and kill you truly and it was really hard keeping a track. On everything that was going on. I have deployed the best team that I have inside of the Iraqi Ministry of Defense called the PSD team. These are the same members that are graduated with in 2004 that was trained by Marine Corps instructors who are specialized in personal security detail and I have deployed specifically at Team inside of the ministry of defense and their job was to hold every corner of that building to be able to visualize everything that was happening in front of them and to start really get to know the groups and there are individuals that we are dealing with and what God thinks very interested is that we got a minister from The unbar Province and the time was so don't delay me and when he came usually in the Iraqi government when they take up positions like that, they usually let a family member or somebody another time. He brought his nephew from bombard problems who actually brought about 200 members of from I'll garma and I'm bar province. Charter members of his tribe as a as a bodyguards. So the minister showed up got into his office and there was 200 of these guys who just got body armors and AK-47s showed up in the building and one of my team members of the time was hitting me my bag and said take a look at these guys. And I when I looked around they all military age, they all had dark elbows and they all look beeble like from that area. Most likely have served in the special guard or the Republican guard are known to be pro-military Pro Saddam Hussein's of the time and I'm looking at the faces and we just looked at these guys who were like how many we have them in there? Like we have 200 of them and all of a sudden you have 200 of these guys deployed inside of the building things were very terrifying and and the most enjoyable moment for me. It was like we have about 45 American advisors that walk it from where job Petraeus has commanded what's called me? Dicky multinational Force Iraq to the rocky mod to lead the Iraqi Ministry of Defense to to build the infrastructure of every Department inside the Iraqi Ministry of defense and these Americans would walk in with just a 9-millimeter and their legs and that's all they have and the lowest-ranked we would have is a major going all the way up to a full bird colonel and it was interesting to look to see these guys watching American walk by himself and to the building and the building was not in the greatest. Shayzon, it was actually outside of the gray zone. So it was not concerted a US base. It was literally between the Red Zone and the green zone. So people are Iraqis that were in that building. We're not going through the proper background checks that they would do on any Iraqi that's entering the green zone. So this is where the enemy have taken advantage of that situation because it was the only ground in Iraq where you can actually put your hands on an American officer. Without being checked or cleared God because all we do in our checkpoint is check their ID cards for a key mod ID card let them in and it took them about I think about a few days for them to realize that we are struggling in the ambar province during these were obviously members of Al Qaeda. They have one of their leaders at the time named sebab delay me have Cayman requested if one of the towers get emptied near the river so His men can sleep in and of course as the command sergeant major I had a garden that Tower and I wouldn't let him anywhere near the tower do use or use the rooms and their the tower so raised a red flag for us. We knew this guy was looking for something and he was looking for an area within that specific wall because that wall right behind it as a road that leads straight to the Red Zone without being checked by any American or any Rocky so we knew this guy was some kind of a operative of some sort. You can tell he's a Former Intelligence officer. Somebody that is making his moves. And once we have their red flag, we were raising our security levels and they were watching every movement that the Americans were initiating that day and every American would leave the building around 4 p.m. After all the Rockies empty the building and leave to go home comedy, sir. Go ahead. Yeah, man and just because I tell you what we could spend literally probably days you you have So much so many experiences but you guys ended up forwarding the kidnapping of an American officer and American intelligence officer. That was their plan. They were going to take this American intelligence officer and there were going to torture him and use him as a propaganda tool and your efforts and your intelligence collection and your deep attention to detail. Yeah. There you go is what made the difference you ended up also thwarting a suicide bomber a double agent. That was right inside the In the innermost levels and and you were doing so much damage to these alliances that were occurring inside the building that it ended up costing you the life of one of your teammates who left and was killed and then you realize that you yourself were in grave danger and it was at that point. I believe in 2008. Yep that you left Iraq and headed to the United States of America and I really want to hear about that. And your journey because from 2008 obviously for nine years you made your way here in America this brand new land that you had been fighting for and in 2017. You got your citizenship and I think that's the most amazing story. I tell you what Ray and I have talked about it. My mom's a naturalized citizen. I think are naturalized citizens are some of the most patriotic people I know so I want to hear about that Journey leaving Iraq and coming here to America. Erica and what it what it meant to you for those of you who can't see how many right now has an amazing beautiful American flag behind him in the video. I mean and I've seen it man. They're just such Patriots. I want to hear your I want to hear about that journey and what it felt like to be an American obviously, I've Sarai, you know, when when I end up stopping that suicide belt and the rocky mod things were really got difficult for me. I couldn't be in the Iraqi mod anymore at the time. I was not not as secretive intelligence Source videos intelligent anymore. The enemy has already known who I am what exactly I do. So leaving the rocky mod was a must after I lost lost one of my teammates and of course, you know, these cowards would take advantage of any any situation and unfortunately, I didn't have kids and family back then so when one of my team members have left the building they were able to get him while going home to see his kids so leaving Iraq in It was definitely a must for me. I was going to cost my team members their lives if I have a state and continue to do what I did and in that country. I was being considered a traitor. I was being considered someone who who is just have caused damage to bigger to two of the biggest terrorist organizations and and Iraq at that time. We're in the world and they weren't going to let that go. So I was gonna continue to states of the last moment and cost us much damage is I can and and elaborating about that is that I enjoyed the fact that they realize it was just a kid who was a 20 year old that was stopping them on their track. And that is truly what I enjoyed the most is that I was watching the biggest terrorist organizations in the world having their face going on dirt and being able to be stopped and they couldn't kill me because I couldn't I didn't have a left the building. I was surrounded by my soldiers. I never went home. So fortunately after I lost one of my Team members I realized that they were going to get as vicious as possible to get me or get me out of there and I realized is there for the sake of my team members to leave. So I left in July 27th 2008. My paperwork was all done and I came to this country boom and it was it was looking back. So what's it feel? Like what's it feel like to be an American? Everything I think I enjoy being an American more than any other American in this country. You said everything and I think that I enjoy everything about being an American God. I enjoy being a free I enjoy speaking English without being hated on for speaking English. Hello. I enjoy a steak every Thursday. I enjoy saying my opinion without being afraid someone with the brother with it. How do you like your steak cooked medium good man. That's right. Are your one word you gave the right answer everything and I love that. So let's move on real quick as we're running out of time here. So I know you lost a lot of people friends you made it your documentary is made in memory of u.s. USMC major Meghan when make sure I say this right McClung, is that correct? The clock a clock? Okay, and there's a picture of you in Arlington at her grave site. Why did you dedicate the documentary to her? She was the first American to the first American the friend that I ever had like when I when I met her back in 2004. She was a civilian working as a civilian as a contractor and when I met her this was the first a friend that I met over lunch every single day in the defect and I think that she was the first person to reduce me to the American people because I was a person that grew up under a regime that All they taught me is about how to hate America. So I wasn't really sure about the American culture and this person had came out of her way to take her time every single day and have a lunch with a 17-year old Iraqi every single day to speak to me about American culture the American people the American democracy and I was so and uninformed about Americans that she was a redhead. I have never seen. A red hat in my life at that point. So I was even about I was even questioning her about the freckles that she had in her skin. I was even asking if this was real or this is a tattoo and should explain to me. This was just a natural part of her body, but she never laughs. She never made fun of me. She understood that was coming from a place that I didn't understand anything about America and she was pretty much more of a mentor educator sand and fortunately in 2006. She was the highest ranking. Marine female to be killed in combat by an idea and I'm Imani well brother, I think that's yeah. I mean, I think that's amazing that yeah, it is incredible to find those people that transcend race Creed color everything and welcome you into their arms and so many people in this country never see that in ever get to experience that and it is truly amazing. So we'll listen man. You are an absolutely incredible human being you weren't incredible America. In and Warrior where can people find you where can they get the terrorists Whisperer? We talked about the documentary. I know that's not out yet. But I tell you what, everybody needs to check that out. They need to read harmonies book how many you are getting out there and you're spreading your message of overcoming and attention to detail. So tell everybody where they can find you. Honestly, my books are available and every website, but if you want them autographed you just have to go to Ew, the terrorist Whisperer.com. This is what you can get the the book autographed or you can get it from Amazon or any other websites or Barnes and Noble and the hopefully the documentary is now being secreting all over the country and we've been doing private screening of it in a certain places for veterans. So if you guys ever want a private screening of it in your hometown, I would love to do that for you guys. And as I said towards the beginning of the show that there was a reason why I asked to be in this podcast, I as a person sometimes I would lose motivation I would fall and as I mentioned before I was recently diagnosed with a brain tumor and I myself needed the motivation one day to get up and go get the treatment and go face all this through my life. And for those who don't know that I was diagnosed with a brain tumor it due to the road radiation. I was exposed to in Iraq because my checkpoint and the rocky mod was a place that was air strike. during the liberation of Iraq in 2003 and many people have been diagnosed with illness recently who served in that place and I myself lost motivation and starting point and I was hurting and I was going through I thought this was the end of my life and I just looked at my phone that day and I saw right cash care was going live and I just listened to it nice and I felt you know, whatever Ray was saying that day it was talking to me Amen brother that day. I changed my clothes and I went to the doctor and and started getting ready for that battle. So that was the main reasons that I wanted to give back and I wanted to make sure the podcast get the right sponsors and get what it deserves because it made a made a change in my life brother that that is awesome, man. And everybody needs that push man. All of us everyone gets on the axe. Everybody needs a teammate to help get them off the So truly truly amazing. So terrorist whisper.com hamadi just seemed you guys. You need to check him out as story is incredible. So this has been the jar overcome Show episode 18 wouldn't incredible episode how many what we always do at the end is we do our two-minute. Well, actually our minute of motivation because everybody gets one minute and we talk about the word of the day we closed on why that word is so important and why this show Is on that word. So right you want to do the honors point, you know, take it off. I'm gonna start with attention to detail listen, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to be successful if you want to overcome, if you want to conquer you've got to learn attention to detail. It's the ability to achieve thoroughness and accuracy when accomplishing a task. All right, no matter how big or small that task is you have to have attention to detail take point of the Finer Things. Not just the big things. Okay. Don't look at the big picture. It's a lot of the little things that behind the scenes which make things happen, you know. Become a Navy SEAL to by just showing up and going to buds. It's the little finer points. It's the things that happen when social media is not there. It's about staying on the course. It's about staying focused saying staying mentally physically and emotionally ready for the fight. So guys attention to detail. Hang in there pay attention to what you're doing because sometimes it can save lives. Yeah, man, how many you want to take it? I might my advice for anybody that's listening. I wanted to what I did back. There is I lie. I was I was a commander and not a demander and at a 19 years old I wanted to do something different is that I went down to the personal lives of each of my soldiers and made sure that I was improving their lives to a positive way. So my advice would be to lead with love and be to be a commander. Not of demander. Wow, that is awesome to be a commander and not a demand of that hander ship. That's how we lead. I don't even think I'm going to close. I think I'm going to leave it at that trademark that shit or I'm going to steal it because I was out of my side like that how we should be speaking on that brother. Listen, that is awesome. And I'm not even going to weigh in man. I you get that final word. So Jay Jason overcome Redmond is going to just lock it Dan down. So listen, this has been an amazing. I show how many thank you. Once again, brother for everything you've done everything you've sacrificed your a brother of mine. You are a warrior and this has been the Jr. Overcomes Show episode 18. I am Jason overcome Redmond, and I'm raycast chair and we are out boom. Thanks for listening to the Jr. Overcome show tune in next time and please remember to subscribe on iTunes and SoundCloud please visit Jr. Overcome show.com. Hey. Hey, this is Ray cash care. Thanks for listening to Jay overcome show if you love the show, ladies and gentlemen, we would love for you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave a 5-star message. Leave a comment and share with your friends. Boom.

 JR Overcome Show - Episode 18 - The Terrorist Whisperer - Ray' Cash" Care and Jason "Overcome" Redman interview an incredible warrior, patriot, spy, leader and Overcomer, Hamody Jasim, Hamody gives an INCREDIBLE Interview about growing up in Iraq and being arrested and thrown in jail at the age of 12. After his family bought him out of prison, he vowed to do everything in his power to overthrow the Saddam regime. Five years later at the age of 17, In 2003, American Soldiers showed up at his doorstep and he immediately volunteered to serve in the new Iraqi Army. Within two years he saw some of the most intense fighting in Iraq and lost 20 of his 29 soldiers. He was meritoriously promoted to Command Sergeant Major at the age of nineteen, the youngest Command Sergeant Major in the history of the Iraqi Army. He went on to become an invaluable spy for American forces before the price on his life grew too high and he was brought to America. He earned his  American citizenship in 2017 and wrote an incredible book called, The Terrorist Whisperer chronicling his amazing story. Throughout the interview we come back to Hamody's word of the day - DETAILED - which Hamody credits as the key thing he focused on and enabled him to stay alive in the midst of death, chaos, and corruption. This was an AMAZING Episode and you will not want to miss It! As Always we close with 2 Minutes of motivation - shotgunning our views on the Overcome Mindset & the word of the day Time to get your Conquer & Overcome on! Email us at [email protected] for comments, questions or just to sing our Awesome praises!

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If I keep getting it wrong. I must have been getting that wrong the year. So, you know when I started out on this map this idea of embarking on this huge Journey. Not like that the 30-day challenge you want the first name that popped up because it's been great witnessing kind of the evolution of Jasmine's I first met you I think on a fever Barefoot shoe There Was You - we were going through teca's I know how you should stand. Yes for the perfect shot at running pose. So it just sits perfectly aligned with today on as I've just been finding that perfect pose for 20 miles for getting here. How did you just see me walking up the road you would never guess. But anyway back to that and then you remodeling right? And now you think of now you've moved right into what would be kind of one of those being voice of in sustainable fashion. I would say, okay. Yeah. Yeah, which has been great. I've loved watching that. So let's talk a little bit around that Journey what happened? What happened from that moment with the Little Bear for? A bit of modeling to the rise of I'm not going to say Wellness Guru because like you probably hate very like I do. I just don't like being labeled as that. So Wellness well-being external, isn't it? Yeah. Very good. Very good. When chosen? Yeah. It was really nice. I'm kind of jealous of your you'll be dead. You'll be chin resting this great it is I do it so that because I'm way to get there. So it's really annoys people to plaster it to my chin. It'll be jealous of a Jasmine. I don't think know I look a bit weird Wishful. Yeah. Well same will that be how do I get here? I guess I just began to not open just my eyes, but my other senses to the World Around Me bit more and also turning a bit more. So I just became a bit more aware of my actions and of my inner world, but this has all happened on a very very very slow snail pace. It's in many ways way because I didn't have an epiphany or I didn't have a didn't say anything about business plan fact. I kind of fall into a lot of things I do and it's only in retrospect. I realized that I had at one point kind of manifested or decided that this is an area that I saw myself in. Yeah, it's not like it's a complete rudderless ship. No no. No, you might think that would be watch me my today be my day to day but I'm a bit all over the place, but you know, we're not but I do get quite It's and I do Daydream. I do see myself not really knowing what my job is or calling it a particular action or title. It's more kind of feel where I want to be existing and and I think you know, I don't have that much to report from my teens and my childhood but you know, there are times when you feel a little bit like you don't really know. What's It's going on. It's all kind of happening and it's and and I would say anxiety was quite present or at least you know, I'm sorry mum dad. I was worried was part of my employees. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah always trying to think about was trying to think ahead always trying to you know, I live in the London memories. I guess. It's just that there's not much now in the future. There's not and now I realize you know, it's not something that I have to keep reminding myself that it's that gap between the memories of what's just happened our or days gone by and the unknown of the future and it's that Gap. That is the real place where I'm at. And how do I enjoy that Gap? How do I enjoy what I've got now or maybe not even enjoy it. How do I just experience it? And it really just started off I guess from wanting to eat better or really really kind of understanding that my mother's food made me feel great. And then there's this there's this idea of what healthy food was back in the time when I decided that my mom's food was what was making me feel great. So let's say the late 90s and suddenly Eatery started popping up and something I started earning money and I would go out and you know, Start to eat a different places and I kind of realize that food didn't make me feel nourish. And then I thought is it just Filipino food. My mom's Filipino. My dad's English. So I kind of realized earlier on I like I like work dinners and I also have a taste for green food and I was lucky that my mom put a little greens and my food growing up. So I like that bitter astringent taste but I also loved all males. I loved I loved culture. I loved trying different dishes, but I watch TV and watched chefs, you know, go around. And the world cooking things and you know, I didn't have access to any restaurants. The only way to to taste that flavor was to cook it myself. So I began to cook and then I enter the world of modeling and that's where you realize, you know, you start getting on the old got to be healthy got to be healthy and yeah back then it was about calories. It was about low-fat. It was about nothing definitely not wet food is about almost food being separated on your plate and suddenly looking at it in this kind of Teen fats and carbohydrates kind of way. Yeah dividing the play side of the plate. Yeah and first hand thumb. Yes, and then looking at the back of packets. Yeah kind of understanding things and I thought gosh, I just I just love my mom's stews a come out of the pot. That's what makes me feel really good. And so it's complicated. Yeah, that's complicated lots of comfort and the more I started to research into healthy eating and you know, and all these words came up vegan vegetarian paleo raw food different velocities are ayurveda kept coming up. So from my early twenties this philosophy of ayurveda, which only really started to talk about in a big way in the last couple of years has just been there. I didn't ya because I thought was quite recent. I wasn't sure what my relationship with ayurveda was really because I was implementing it bit by bit but it was so vast. It was such a different language to the one I was used to talking, you know, it's very, you know, Eastern philosophies are this holistic way of looking at life. I've been brought up. Very linear X Plus y equals Ed and so there's a lot to take on and luckily. My world around me change the same time and made that transition a lot easier. So, you know when I first came across it never heard her Mantra a chakra on any of those kind of ideas, but as I got more into it, I started to hear it there sit there sit there sit there here at there and all became a little bit more familiar know you don't know, you know to get behind the mic and pull out the tuning pool Dimension import session. Amazing. So I you know, if I'd seen that 20 years ago, I don't think I necessarily been swept up in it, but my journey has been steady and slow and so I've integrated what's made sense to me at the time and it's become a part of who I am today. And so a lot of well, I evaded and functional medicine. I was very interested in functional medicine went into the philosophy behind him is in Hemsley, and it's really it's a tried and tested stuff that I was doing on myself. And then as time has gone on and I've watched the functional medicine world really keep coming back. So I Aveda I've realized if I Aveda is the manual of nature the manual for life. It's directly translates as the science of life or the knowledge of life then is that not where we're headed? Is that not the big picture? Yeah, because I've always known the more I go down that path from the more investigate because I hope things that rewilding isn't it? Mmm and it's as if that's what it's in. Accents in a way Is a time I guess when it was dealing with the ills of what was becoming a civilization and farming and then returning people back to what would be that holistic balance again, which is introducing them to a natural way of living a yes. Yes that right. Absolutely. So so so I'm Ada is it's really understanding that you are nature and you are off nature. So there is you know to be able to kind of take a human say this is exactly what you should be eating doing thinking and saying, you know We are constantly evolving. We are in the only constant is change and rather than that making things more complicated at that. It's actually a much more simple and romantic way to look at life. You know that you are always changing. So stop holding on to everything go with the flow find your flow be flexible be water off a duck's back and remove the control move the control and the someone who had a lot of worry growing up control was I didn't know that. I was well holding on to that when I look back now. Realize, you know, I would I'd really beat myself up if I went over my credit card limit is an inherited mechanism. Absolutely absolutely and funny enough meeting Nick 16 years ago. You never beat himself up anything. I thought you going to say ramp things up things up and I was thinking gosh. He's so irresponsible. Yeah, and the more I look the more I thought you know, as long as he kind of learns and acknowledges and you know reflects a little bit. He's actually got it, right. Why am I beat myself up for something that's already quite painful, you know, so, I mean that the bank balance is a weird one. So kind of bring up as an example, but as an example of the kind of things, Spend your life worrying about rather than just go. You know what I've observed that. I've noticed I do that. Let's see if I can you know, it just a little for the next time and you know, see that bill coming or you know that type of thing. Yeah. Well then just leaving the fear of it. Yeah. Why did you do that kind because I have to say getting fined 25 quid or whatever. It was like then you're going a pound over your overdraft when you're a student, you know, and you are literally making a meal for a pound you could have got out for a slap-up dinner. That was a kind of chitchat that weren't used to go through. My head wow, and now I just think easy come easy goes, you know, I work easy for my money, you know, take a deep breath in take a deep breath out at go all those kind of, you know cliches that you start hearing in in and around Arsenal, you know written up on in cool trendy cafes. They're all there to help. They're all the little kind of nudge discuss your human being not a human doing. Well. It's like the, you know, if saying about that guy that came out to meet me on the run yesterday, you know, and he said he was in just a really dark space and Just breathing meditation and the simple things it's all for free. Yeah meditation breathwork cold bar simple stuff like that. It's managed to rescue him, you know, and he found you on social on social media with Technologies is the really good. I think let's talk about is because a lot a lot of people, you know who might going to rewilding Journey or a fact that you know, I have a as being read picked up traditional Chinese medicine they might Start shunning all technology, you know trying to hold on to the Past trying to be a drama queen exactly because that's where it was good or that's you know, they've romanticized, you know the old ways but you know times are always changing and we have technology is just about being aware of what the right amount of technology is for you at that moment. And what's in this conversation what sustainable and what sustainable so I'm loving watching the stories I start to do some stories today really really enjoyed it, but I can't do that. Everyday, it uses up too much of my energy my resources or as I grow that stuff. Yeah interest you are you know, that's how you speak to your community, you know, they feed back to you and they're getting to watch your journey something, you know, pretty terrific but you're doing right now and yeah, it's fueling you if you like because you know that you know, you're as I said on my social media post to you are leading by example, you're getting out there and doing what sounds completely impossible. Oil and I've had a look at your feet five days in and they were right not bleeding sums, which was a tissue to wipe the seed from the side of my mouth I guess is right. I had a lovely lady come out and meet me. Would you lend some ion? Instagram and she is from Taunton and she knew I was here and she just said to me as a he's a you know, a therapist herself. She said thats my book has helped her greatly to to keep you know, how energy going at a hundred percent so that she can carry on what she's doing beyond that wasn't it? My lady had a stroke right digestion was out is completely healed her digestion and as symptoms are just she's on the path to recovery. I that's Judy transformative. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I Aveda is. It's the balance that the delicate balance between mind body and spirit and it's not that you want to stay on that pivot and be absolutely rigid structured and controlled said it's a we've got to have some movement otherwise last night interesting so you can pivot this way pivot that way and smoothly keep coming back couple. Going up and down recover quickly. That's what you know by by keeping near the balance near the pivot point. You can recover quickly. That's a strange noise sure. It should be clarify what that is. Oh, yes. We're in wearing this amazing space. Is there a waste or less a litter? That's a little less of it and at lesser later on Instagram broken the follow and their refilling jars at the moment. No, John and his look, yeah. She's got a front and she's filling up a little cloth bag of coffee. So it sounds like someone's having a pee. I thought it was a tricky one. Okay. All right, we might that be okay. So when we talk about balance, so I met your guy. What's his name? Dr. Matthew? Yes. She told Matthew. Yeah, because up until that point. I always looked at digestion or looked at cellular stuff. And it was such a it was a different approach because it was now under saying my dough. Sure. Mmm, you know, yeah, I've been saying it was okay because there's certain stuff that was being flagged up for me through having a stool sample microbiome test and cellular work some blood work and there were certain food groups within that system then perfectly aligned with OSHA as well, which is quite interesting. Yeah, I think and we go into though. She's a bit because I find that stuff. Like just powerful sure for sure. I mean, I you know, the Science and Technology we have our fingertips now is immense but I still believe that it's the power of the person interpreting it still putting that together and building the big picture because you know, we can measure with Incredible accuracy certain things going on in the body. But again, everything is about the balance, you know, we will have E coli nobody it kinda sounds horrendous. The right amount is yeah symbiotic relationship. Exactly. Yes on every level. Yes could be microbiome in the mouth. It could be skiing and could be got to give you anything. Right? So I feel like you you know, we need the people to interpret those results and build a picture and and I also believe that we ourselves are the best person to kind of begin to understand ourselves. And that's what life's journey I think is really what about I'm with you on that. I honestly feel that part of this process for me has been like the reboot reconnect reward. Thing I talk about is about those innate abilities and getting back to that position. We're honestly think we would have been again moving through a landscape known exactly what we needed and part of growth now is to find the people along the route to help interpret that you become more skillful. And therefore we can return to being those innate while beings and then The younger years they inherit that new information and I mean so we have to go and do the work that way. I look at Jen's he's now they're just they're just completely, you know fashion brands for any Brands just don't even know these guys the Gen Z's James. These are like the ones in their twenties are they they're completely different. And the on the camera, it sounds very cool. It sounds like that Joy Jay-Z Jay-Z gen Z so the doshas. So anyone that knows or doesn't know about the about ayurveda. They have these I have a day uses descriptions to build a picture. So our senses are very much involved in building that full picture and the doshas are really the five elements in subgroups. So in ayurveda and traditional Chinese medicine, etc, etc. They have roughly five elements they differ or they're called but for me, it's ones French ones German, you know, we just thought telling the same poem about love but in a different language, so now evader. It's ether or space. It's a nothing happens unless there is a space for it to happen. Then you have are so we can talk about the wind the air that we breathe. You could look at it the sky imagine imagine a picture. The picture itself with me the space the air you could dispose you could interpret as like even universe right? Exactly. Okay, exactly. Nothing happened as a bang and in that spirit and then you have the then you have are which we can we can look at as just the sky then you've got fire which you can think of as a son or maybe you have a fire in front of you more fire. Maybe every you know, the fire in your belly or the fire in every cell in your body. That's transforming. Oh, Austin, Austin, Then you've got water which you can think of as the see in the picture and then you've got Earth which you could think of as the ground. So when I first started hearing about the five elements and I did I did form of Wing Chun that was, you know, five elements when I was younger. I loved it when I was doing it. I didn't really think I had any relevance to my life today and it was only when I was wearing big in Croatia camping and I looked out and there was my view and it was a sunsetting and there was space. The air of the sky the water at Li the the sun setting on the water and in the earth below and I thought that's the five elements. And what I Vader is saying is we can call looking users by the elements to describe everything in and around us. So we're sitting on reclaimed reclaimed wood wood Driftwood Driftwood so we could say this is very earthy. It's really earthy. It's solid as it's big In comparison to maybe a piece of plywood which would be more so this will be made of earth and water right earth and water if we try this out a bit more it would be much more Earth Blossom of it is water. So if we then we dunk this Driftwood in back into the sea where it drifted in from it would have more water than a piece of Driftwood sitting out in the sun. So it's just comparisons. It's not pigeonholing necessarily. It's just using it to compare the qualities. And us and so what I Bader has done is put those five elements into three doshas because it's five goes into 3 is not nice and exacting as we like it. It can be a bit confusing but let's say remove the control mechanism control mechanism. So we take the first two space and are combined to form Vallarta. Mmm. So varta Sanskrit word we can call it very roughly are but it's responsible for the any movement in the body and in messaging any the nervous system the breath going An ounce so movement within the body of I use is vodka and we have bitter so Pizza is the elements of fire and water. So it's hot liquid spreading oily and then we have kapha which is the Earth Earth and water so pizza and Catfish air and water as a shared element so that they can be quite sticky and it can be sticky. Mucus e Very grounded down-to-earth. It's solid think of it as sand and water together, you know, add a bit of pitting you baked it and you've got like a vessel add some water and that vessel slowly disintegrates a way back into you know space so it's about the relationship between everything but the brilliant thing is we can use that to kind of talk about people's personalities that their mental traits their physical traits. So you're quite a bitter person I can see from the red team. Ends in your skin the red in your beard the the dirt, you know the focus that you have and yeah, everyone is saying things like paying Kade. Yeah, but it doesn't mean that you won't have lots or attribute. So when you're thinking where can I take this? What can I do with this? I've got a message to to get out there. Oh, I could start doing this and I could start I could do this wrong. I could use a pizza cutter is that Creativity stimulation, you know and that's exactly my reading. But then it's also Catherine you is of course you are try on Watch Right OSHA. So it's just your predominant exactly a dominant or a dual dominant or you could be roughly all three equally split that would be tried. Oh sik so all the elements are in us because we are everything got it. That's so I was a bit catheter back there on my heating that you know, you just you drink the bitter drained and also you need that ground in this because varta Is cold and stimulated Pizza is hot and stimulated Cafe is Cooling and calm and grounded earthing, you know, Mother Earth. So although we say here when we're looking at this wood is very careful with some with some very Earth with some water but it's also got air in space in it squat. You can so you can see there's literally spacing in between, you know, the in between the pieces Russian some bits are drier than others. It's got a lot more of that the air so it's all in us. It's just what is your dominant? Those your type so much people say to you. What's your Dosha? They mean what's your dominant brochure in the mind body? And that's generally meaning what we born as so your prakruti so much. So we are all born with a kind of genetic Constitution and wine is order pizza, but because of the work I do and I live in London a very vital environment or Ivar to put environment actually, but it's He coming into Autumn, which is a vodka season cold dry rough. So you think about tree, you know, a they called or deciduous perennial or a tree that goes through, you know, the cycles of who is from the Fresh buds in Spring to the leafy abundance in summer and then drying up in the Autumn and becoming crisp and curling up and changing color and then falling away and becoming covered in snow. No and Soggy and you know, that's very Catholic. Yeah, so that happens to all our so as we move into Autumn actually the you know science is you know research shows that it's actually very anxiety-inducing time whether you put that down to the end of summer fun the light levels dropping that back to school feeling, you know, the dark and lights moving in. You know, I evaded would read it as that plus the idea that it's a varta season and therefore Vata plays a has an effect on a nerve System and and that's why there's this Collective feeling of a little bit more. Grumpy, the best words grumpy and irritable, you know, so so really being able to combine this stuff that we're discovering through science and the ancient wisdom, which is building an even better picture, you know, so I love that the talking about ayurveda in Parliament. I love that people are people can come and read about our Vader and take one two, three things and all of them will have a massive impact because when you go with I Vader you're going With nature and in parliament's what's happening there. They just you know, if you think about the NHS is struggling, you know, it's it's a disease management system. Well, I got suit, you know, my mom had pneumonia at Christmas, you know, it's Rusty and on I think Christmas Day and she had a good few weeks and I'm still in there doing an amazing job when they're in there, but it's just the worst environment for the work environment for healing and organism and the noise is side. Really really harsh lights overly hot Windows shots and talking about sustainability. My name out waste. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, and then and then people, you know are low energy low vibration around you. It's a place of you know, sickness as a place of sadness then obviously their new king the food. So this is food that satin storage for how long or you know come from somewhere else and then it's sitting around or it's been vacuum-packed then it's nuked. It's got no priors. No, it's not food, you know and you know the not enough Staffing it's a it's you know, my dad had cancer three times and so over 15 years, you know, we were in and out of hospital and it's it's a very difficult place to heal even though on a physical level they can do so much for you mentally and spiritually it's That was saying I voted coming in you think he's coming on. I think we were looking wider field when we're realizing that the we can't work in this way any longer and I think people are realizing through this well-being movement that's become huge that we have a responsibility to take care of ourselves and we responsibility to try and understand more about our needs to look at how people were doing things two generations ago and say what can I take from that? You know the me when I give talks They say what time do grunting Granddad eat people look under 5:30 6:00, 6:30 p.m. Yes. They did. You know, if you look at around a lot of colleges, they don't eat past Sunset or you might look at it as you know, stop eating three hours before sleep. So you can finish digesting and then go into a proper deep healing sling and for me that changed my life in my mid-twenties I'd say so I still eat about 8:30 at night. Yeah, there's lighting implications in that as well. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, so the light you know that we are you know, we go camping the Sun and in the darkness that follows that tells the body What's Happening Here melatonin being released being released and and so we know when we go camping if anyone has gone camping without your phones without artificial light without artificial stimulation, you know, you sit around that campfire and you start to feel ridiculously relaxed. Oh my goodness. I remember my first trip to Devon to visit mix mum and the fresh air hit me like a you know, it's and it's a sack of potatoes. Basically. I just I couldn't move I was so used to the adrenaline the energy bars of living in London the first time you met them when I when I yeah, I love is basically couldn't speak. She's alive and I'm doing a grand job of putting away and then you know, you're sitting out. The porch and I basically couldn't speak. I remember the wow is this is a proper holiday. We taking time off great. I'm going to hit you where it hurts. Let's let's get some downtime and and it was quite scary. At first. I was so used to being that Buzzy creative chatty person and I thought I'm just been stolen from me. But actually that was me on a that wasn't the real me. That's that's barter our control. Is it that kind of aggravated aggravate? Yeah control aggravated totally aggravated. I am Barta. I live in Nevada environment and I wasn't doing enough grounding or because you don't like increases like so I need to look to the Opposites to bring balance. Okay. So let's go to that. So Carter to guard to the aggravate aggravated balancing. What do we do? I need to look at the other elements ovata is space and are I need to look for fire water and Earth. So fire so vital is cold row rough fast erratic. You can tell by the way. I speak my hands are flying all over the Nice and look what I'm wearing your in a t-shirts and because you're a pizza. I've got, you know a cashmere top on her tracksuit bottoms. I've got my feet tucked into the creases of my of my legs to keep them warm. I'm sitting on a blanket because I like the comfort and I'm saying anything about an ice bath exactly exactly. So we're two people living, you know, the same reality and we want and need different things. So that's why it's not one rule for all that's why One size doesn't fit all you are constantly changing and as I'm getting Bossier and you know stepping into this role of maybe teaching and sharing right now. I'm like Michael is coming up is coming up. I'm warming up so when I walk out and do, you know Talks by the end of it. I have to take my jumper off because I'm so hot because my pictures come in to kind of be that drive that fire. And then I wound down and then I need to kind of get warm and comfy and cozy again interested in because it channeling at that moment as well as yes. Yes. Yes, so Kathy, what would you do for Kathryn Cather us? Okay apha. So if you're a Catholic person as a lot of water and fire you tend to have you know, physically you tend to have glossy hair glossy skin very moist skin. You're the kind of person that doesn't really need body lotion and the idea of someone pouring oil over you is like Because you're so Lush. Anyway be like you tend to be Lush Lush kafir. They tend to be the kind of person. Who are he missed the train? Oh, well, what's next you know or something happened didn't go quite you know, or someone says to you. What do you wanna watch the movies or where you want to go and you're like, yeah, whatever you think, you know, you're just you're not you're living in your body. You're more rooted and grounded. But if you're Catholic gets aggravated say you're doing a sedentary desk job. Bob eating very oily Foods, you're not getting enough of that kind of space are warmth. You're quite cold as well. They're quite cold to touch then you can get very Cafe aggravated and that might look like being a bit insula or a bit greedy a bit wanting to hold on to everything one loving their routine so much. They can't stay out of it, you know because Catherine is got a little Catherine. Yeah, or It could be you know that that catheter has to play a part because he's watching three children. That's like highly stimulating. You know, that's really in her brain. So she needs that routine because the opposite to the varta and she was as I've so good when you're around Tony because it just gives me this umph it comes in. It gives me the lift I need is well you come and bring a lot of pizza into the be interesting to see within relationships, right? I'll absolutely so so Nick is tried o Sheikh. He's obviously living in London, which is very Vata Pitta. Us those two could get aggravated because I'm so Vata Pitta also varta almost his kapha really comes in to be the opposite to to ground me down. And whenever I have a bit of a slump and I hit the kind of you know, because you can you can get so Vassar exhausted. You literally get pushed the other way course, and that's when you can't get out of bed. You feeling quite down or Melancholy. You don't remove off the sofa. You don't have any drive, you know, your you run out of steam then next varta kicks in is like Let's go to the park. Let's go and do that. I know what will make you nicer. He becomes the kind of the moving ideas Force there. Whereas normally, that's me. So definitely in a partnership or for example, I could hang out with another creative art a person and one of us will step back a bit because to doing the same job. What do you get? You don't you don't get Harmony Overkill? Why is it great to understand within mean every relationship isn't it could be in business anything to really understand that. Model of Independence we fantastic. Oh, man, we've been accompanied by Reiko. We're going to read it one dowshen understand what we doing. I mean if you look at Deepak Chopra, I think he's created Deepak has obviously or west of medical doctor and you know, indian-born Indian Heritage Revival has very much been part of his life and they've developed systems to kind of recognize your traits. And in fact, this was something I learned in the verdict of the dancers, which is kind of the end of knowledge. It was these classes. I was taking in India, the actual caste system in India was designed. Well not designed. It was initially it was to understand what your qualities were and therefore to do a job that suited those qualities, you know mean so if you are someone that liked routine like to just do a job go home and into the night switch off, you know didn't aspire to be the top of the world then why would you be pushed into a top of the world job, you know and it removes like competition and removes inadequacy you you get to do you know, what do they say in Instagram, you know if you do. What you love it doesn't feel like work and yet when we go to school or how exactly how I was how when I went to school if you weren't academic you were just left by the wayside, you know, and that was just focusing on one form. I know it will of intelligence, you know. Yeah, I think I can remember I think I cross stitched one bookmark. I think I made a pair of Bermuda shorts when I was 12 and I think I had to sit through. It was extremely painful at 14 how to how to how to cook. Rice, which I've been doing since I was 9, you know at school and then that was it that was that was what all you needed as far as life skills were so we will be releasing these these little adults into the world who really don't know how to cook how to grow anything or what their needs are what their needs are and that's a bit scary and I swear I love seeing these Forest school starting up. I love seeing my friend George lamb has created an educational program called grow. And they're doing the first Harvest Festival on Saturday and it's getting the children back on the land and skills, you know and all these things were seen a couple of decades ago as beneath some people or maybe not a good use of intelligence or maybe a little bit like a backwards. Yeah, which is a shame las Calles and Forest and part from today's in the brownies. Would you know what to do? Yeah. He's interesting. Is it because I mean we I mean if you look at the natural Beings of the world we get any test. I mean it's so sophisticated that depth of wisdom, you know, just think how many plants are on the plunking they have that identification of plan and then again would understand naturally ago. I guess not knowing the term Dosha but would understand those personalities and energy types. We were just you were just being naturally able to read it. You wouldn't know how exactly because this is. Yeah, and they know exactly again how to make the whole tribe grow rather than just have a tribe of Indians. Dependent people. Yes all way to be all one organism that we all work together. And again, it's not so what's the word it's not so pigeon-holed that you are the one that collects the sticks. And therefore you are only going to be collecting signatures. It's not that also a way I like to describe it as imagine. I don't know going for coffee or go to the shops with one of your mates and there's definitely between the two of you. There's the one that will check the road right before. Cross it and then think about going out with another mates. They also check the road or you the one that checks the road or when you got with your child. You're the one that checks the road here you take on different roles depending on the person that you're with don't just look right? Yeah and what their inadequacies are or where their strengths are you naturally feed into that. So even within your daughter's, you know, you know three girls raised almost, you know in the same way or they can't be the same parents all of them, but they come up with different strengths at different times and then within you know within the three girls when they play I bet Once More Lonely more bossy on average and then one day she is interesting to observe his they all go they all play out the characters so they will become the character one might be in it the day before. Yeah, but their own personality of course is driven within that character so you can really get to see it within again are independent. I don't know but independent again, yes, so we are making sure we are of nature. So it's We all thats we are the what you see now is that little products of what's going on around us or what's going on within us we are very we're seeing your so depending on you know, what tribe you're following Instagram but things like, you know, you your thoughts become your reality. Yeah, you know that's quite powerful stuff. He was about to be 20 years ago. It would have gone right over my head, but then you start to see it. Yeah, I think you know how I see the world it directly. Affects how people interact with me that day. One of my favorite sayings is you know, if someone's a dick to you, whatever breathe it off if everyone's a dick to you, you're the dick. Yeah, and that's really powerful because if you are having a shitty day you're wearing on your face people are going to be have a perception, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's perception morning rituals you until morning rituals absolutely was gone judging us as a varta. Yeah. The routine but I also can't be there the whole time. So last night was a good example Hemsley and MZ Supper Club. I ate a lot later and a lot heavier than I normally would so I slept in this morning and to seven o'clock when we have about five thirty six five ten years ago. I was not a morning person. Now, I realize I'm cashing in on that energy of the date. So for me working up as early as possible having had a good night's sleep is when I feel my most energized I get to do a bit of movement. Aunt I clean my tongue always first thing I shower first thing right tongues great. Yeah. It sucks great wine Jasmine's comes great little copper tongue scraper you can find on the website it's called again was awful. But then as soon as I kind of printed Tong Tong, you're in the bags and called it tongues and I googled something about it's okay. That's not good. Yeah, it's not much. So yeah Kenny my tongue or something that my Continue Gary guard told me exactly 10 years ago and totally changed my life to having that relationship with with your tongue is like a little window to what's going on. I can see even my food or my lifestyle choices. The last few days have been good for me or not. Depending on what's on my tongue isn't that nuts or this or that or the shape of my tongue all the color of my tongue again? Obvious, isn't it? Yes, absolutely. And obviously, you know people, you know about traditional Chinese medicine that's very important partner at all. So in ayurveda, but now I'm seeing a lot of practitioners say polka tongue out because you can see there as well as the eyes as well as the skin as well as the shape of the face as well as how you're holding your shoulders. We are just one big walking box of information and it's how someone reads it so interpret interpret it absolutely so I get up I clean my tongue I oil pull in the shower, right explain oil pulling oil pulling is so so easy Sometimes women who grew up when I When back in the day you would strip your face to cleanse it with all these things that took off. All the oil was bad. That was bad. Remember that was bad for the ultimate Dry. You are gonna dry you out exactly no oil allowed crispy skin up exam as you want to apply more of this and then you can buy more of that product moisturizer and now we're realizing the oil is actually the most nourishing way to restore and to remove dirt and toxins. So in the same way that oil cleansing the face has become very popular and oiling. The body with a massage while healing the mouth is a really good way of you know oil draws things out and also get sucked in to nourish. So you're kind of nourishing the mouse and pulling out the toxins that have kind of maybe making their way to the surface after a good night's sleep. And there's a great way instead of using those half Matt harsh mouthwashes, which I wouldn't recommend because exactly and you know, The microbiome in our mouth is directly related to our gut microbiome. And so when you're wiping out your mouth of this harsh mouthwashes at feel the feel fresh and zingy because that's what we're led to believe in my tongues burning. That's a good thing. No, gosh, you just wiped out a whole load of good bacteria. So yeah, oily wall kind of oil would you so traditional oil would be a pure sesame oil? Yeah, Nicole it ripened. So it's not so unprocessed that it could go. Rancid on you. It's just stabilized and you will then draw that in and around your mouth working. Your jaw muscles are very good for the face. And you'll pull that in and out of your teeth and people just have to lift Stones. It's nourishes into the gums. It pulls you know bad bacteria gets a chance to get washed out that way and then you spit out the toilet so try and do that for up to 20 minutes. But wow. Yes, as long as that. Yeah, I mean kind of it sure. Anything is good. Yeah. Anything is good. As long as you're going in that direction intention is everything I saw I learned I do it in the shower and then as I finish showering and I put oil on my body. E and put the kettle on I'm still doing it and then definitely split it down the toilet guys not down the others ninjas news to not having a conversation like that where we don't come back with a brilliant wine each other very much fun each other, but I don't sorry. I don't do every day because some days it's just not it's just not part of yeah, I'm not feeling it. That sounds great, but I do then I go downstairs and I'll start sipping hot water. And I'll do some movement. So having this time also helps me get a little pool on the Brew going. So it's a nice time to then gather little dump. Yeah, and that is very well moving going bowel movement. Yeah, because if I you know, let's talk about how I used to wake up. I used to wake up guys to recount that every minute that I could out of us lie because I go to bed too late. So I wake up to a blaring alarm my body like right Jasmine you've got this another day get on with it jump out of bed all know a couple of more minutes. Couple minutes. So you playing with yourself there then you and you finally get up and jump in the shower Smash down a coffee straight out the door. No time for bowel movements are regulated up regulated and and then my body just hold on to that ball movement from you know a to put in the time the rest of the day and even overnight again until I get a moment the next morning you feel relaxed and then you feel relaxed. Yeah. So for me having that time to just do all that and it only takes half an hour. I'm going to 10 minutes of movement 10 to 15 minutes of meditation. I see my hot water and that's done some I didn't want to extra half an hour and my day even if someone's listening they realize that what Jasmine saying they've even if you pulled half an hour back in the evening, yes, you gain that half an hour in the morning and it's the start the day with the right intent. Absolutely. They're not walking out the house completely friends exactly dressed out - I'll move yes on edge. Yes, which is that exact same Sensation that comes in with that alarm clock originally run and you know people listening to this especially young people who don't really like well, I don't really have that online because I'm a Ledge and you kind of heightened feeling exhausting. Yeah, so, you know think about kids at a birthday party having the time of their life by the end. They are smashed. They're overtired they series of all over stimulated and control exactly. Yeah. We had an owner stimulated to Ljubljana and we moved again, right so there are loads of change totally. I'm a rhythm and she was off her head all night. Yeah, which means we're all off. Forehead. Yeah, they can't they don't have kind of the they haven't managed the tools yet. So you really get to see the emotion of it of what it truly is? No, they haven't done down there. Yeah, and that's that conversation. So there's people out there going. I know I'm not stressed and two of them are pictures and they're very much the same there. Organized on it there at the hammering it at some hit class one minute. They're drinking. They're green smoothies. And in yoga the next they're partying but they're brilliant at work, you know, they're just the kind of person you want to employ and one of them text me of the day shift to check herself into a hospital with heart palpitations. Absolutely terrified terrified because I remember it was already 10 years ago and burnout started off started here it with people in their 30s and now we are we going to Advantage of burnout that's that's really highlighting something isn't yes, definitely in terms of sustainability. That is not sustainable. You can't sustain your energy if you are always in this Yang, you know using a Chinese term here at this young way of doing, you know, always doing so Yang think of as a masculine energy. It's the energy of being productive. It's something that we massively applaud here in the west because it means you're getting something done, you know earning money successful or you're out there getting on with it, but if If you don't balance that with the Yen, the feminine energy the calm and grounding cooling energy young is hot energy. You will literally burn now. That's where that term comes from and it's such an important conversation because you know, I mentioned this a lot and most podcasts are I'm on I am discussing is Peter cons term because I just bloody love it and it's called this environmental generation amnezia, right? Every generation that comes along they're born into their new Norm, right? So the lawyer Lawrence who 72, sorry, I just forgot that I think it was 72 we discuss his role as a lawyer when he first started. He would write the letter right he'd have seven days. He get a response to that letter they do their due diligence right there. Everything will be just so research every little detail in there as I know on my God read after write this whole thing out again. Yeah, we'd have to deal seven seven. Yes seven days, right this is that right hand written right saying that all this time and then the machine came and then it became like three days to add a response. Then he said the internet came and then to start with little bit slow and then the mobile phone with the internet came and then he said it's just literally but people aren't even doing the job properly anymore. Like they did when it was pen and paper. That's now I might he might have to deal with ten emails about that. One thing that that would have been dealt with one lesser previously. So we've now we think we're simplifying things that we've actually ramp things up. Yeah, and so if that's your new Norm, that's what you're born into you don't even recognize the length of time that Lawrence had all those years ago. So they had rest right? They had periods of rest are in my dad. Always saying I'll shut my eyes Lotus. I'm just resting my eyes and that was like meditation. Yes. So we need these tools now, right? Yes, the 20s and the Third Generation z z Jen Jen Jen Jen Jen zombie They also you know, they were up there also born not into that only into this world of technology. They're also born into a world where we are talking about well-being. Yeah. I was getting the two extremes. Here's a polarity. Yes. And then and if you look now yoga went very acrobatic, you know rocket Vikram standing on your head, but now we're seeing the rise of Hatha yin-yang creation. Yes. I do sound boards are people come and pay money to lie down and have a snooze if you have sounds about something. I've been to that yes fantastic and that's you know, that's we having to schedule that in because Society is not allowing us to live our the biological Norm as you call it, you know, so if you are surrounded by if you for example if you went to France where everyone apparently takes an hour for lunch that becomes your new Norm, you can consider London in the like, oh my God, I'm going to Justin, you know, or I didn't get to eat today, you know becomes a badge of honor. I didn't eat. I didn't sleep. I'm just trying to make that up. Asian in a matter of weeks. Yes, but then again if you're in a if you're in a new company and people, you know, give you a snide look because you left your desk or you were gone for half an hour, you know, you're going to feel very uncomfortable and I can understand that. So what we're doing effectively is bit by bit. We are beginning to tell society that this is the way that we want to do things, you know, and you watch now and big companies are bringing in gurus or advisors or well-being experts to because they realize You got to get so much more out of your flip your employees. If you a show them the love and be allow them to recuperate because otherwise they get a burn out and you got to replace them. And I hear you're going to replace it with yeah. Another one is the point that is exactly what I love. Is that that Yang is that masculine hot energy and What's the phrase we use for too much Yang burn out, you know and that is what I have a daughter is it talks about you know, when we say things like, oh man, I little spaced out or I or my heart's been very heavy earlier. Yeah, we personally yeah, I was tripping out drooling you when I was at me when I was trying to find him your stasis, you know, you're you're doing something quite extreme and your body's trying to make sense of it the whole time. So that rest is really important as you are seeing today you said day for you if you are on top of it, you're telling everyone I'm being my And the process and then become it never says sorry and then solution becomes white my sleeves out how to get this Dad. Yeah, and if you really feel it, I mean, you know Tony who is the most Nimble thing I've ever met was no it took 10 minutes to make his nest in this sit on this chair because he's aching and you know, the lactic acids building up and incredible process. So getting to know yourself in that way is Eautiful, it stops being that judgmental of all I'm an old man or a broken this or isn't going to work anymore solder, you know, it's actually called look at that. Look at that. Look how things add up and become this and now I just need to take some things away to become that and it just becomes this really wonderful fluid collection deposit deposit collection gather let go, you know easy in Easy Out flow flow. So of course have a book then he spoke. Do sometimes day? Yeah, it's Pilots really nice entry level, isn't it? Yes, it's just it's opening up the door so that yet you can become that process. I guess. Yeah, I need to sound about take from it what you want. That's the beauty of it. You know, it's not an exclusive Club. It's not some kind of diet where you have to follow the rules. It is the manual of living. So if you just decide, you know what I really resonate with this idea of going to bed a bit earlier. I'm going to try it brilliant, you know. Just being able to go to bed ignorance sleep just just ensuring that you're resting at the right time of the day and there is a right time and we're seeing that with shift working Etc. Tommy's just popped up. What about we kids? Yeah, what do you do? I mean, you know because I guess as you as you get older you can kind of you can work out for yourself almost. Yeah. I do identify it within your kids as in the doshas as in doshas. You can take a look for that. No, no. tool and it's so important children you get that right? Maggie had all your kids in Balance old time. It's a very much alike. So for example know me who works with me. We always laugh about this. She's very pizza. So she's in a summer dress as is my sister for most of the year and you know, we don't live in a hot country. They're in summer dresses most of the in they might put on a jacket when it rains so and if I never travel with Naomi, I'm in layers because I need to adjust my temperature. She's in this dress, but it didn't jacket for house. It really closely. Don't think those issues like you're too hot. Wait, yeah, she likes dryer food, you know because she's already got the water element in her. Yeah. I don't have the water element as much so I look for Soups and stews yet when she gets sick. She looks for the soups and stews. So we're and then and then you know, I love a good crack or fracture every now and again so you can really see how those play out. But remember you don't have to kind of totally identify your children. It just becomes you know, what I love about ayurveda is every time you cook a recipe with an ayurvedic intention or with the philosophy. So every time you kind of read a bit, you understand that bit more we don't have to suddenly figure things out. So to speak, you know, so you just recognize of caution. One of my kids has got a bit more of a temper than the other one, you know, that's that's the bitter but it won't be one does it like mealtime? Yeah, you know when people go through this process thinking are we what we've got to win the kids which I hate that process is really just they win themselves just put food out and they automatically will go for what they like. Yes rather than it being this stricto. Your child hasn't developed this skill. Yeah, that's mashed up. Yes, make the meat. Yeah. Well, I don't want to eat that by now. So I'll spit it out. No, you must have it keep putting in. I'm gonna be great process that yeah. I think I can fit parent could become skilled at just even that seeing what it is. They're picking up. Yes, absolutely. And then there are some just some basic kind of guidelines and I Vader as well. So we talked about the eating earlier eating lighter before bed and going to bed at the right time. So, you know different organs here at different. Times of the night and that's why between 10 and 6 the most important times to get rest, whether you're just lying there wide awake, you know, just being horizontal talking of Self in an advanced States in a dark space is very very very important and you want to be horizontal for at least five hours. Yeah things like getting up in the morning and showering before you meditate before you do. Yoga. People have lied you shower before yoga one. I don't do You have hot sweaty yoga and to you're cultivating a cheer of Prana in your body and it comes out in your skin. It's all around you. You don't want to wash it off. So wash the night off because that's what you've been doing a lot of kind of working through things start the day fresh you feel fresh. My mom's favorite thing whenever we've obviously down or upset or sick was go wash your hair. You don't go and go to a shower going because you just feel a bit more together clean, you know other things made me look at a Each time this works for most people. It could be the first meal of the day for a cafe. You might not necessarily need to eat breakfast, but for other people it might be a second meal. This should be the biggest meal because your digestive fire that ugly in your stomach follows that ugly which is the Sun. So when you wake up in the morning your fire isn't fully up and running. So to put on a massive breakfast is actually like sticking a huge log onto a gently until fire that's getting going. It's most people listening now sit. Come on Jazz. What's the Aggie? Mostly I can ideas fire. I know I'm getting all yeah, I can even spot in Sanskrit. And so if we're talking about the fire in US you can say the fire we know that the heat think of the acid in your stomach, you know, the stomach transforms food, which is essentially a poison until it's been transformed into this beautiful fights and vital juice. If you like that we use has to feed our mind body and spirit you think about it. You're not going to Flat Line. Another card. Oh, is that the right word Flatline? No, you're not that injects an avocado into veins, right? No, it's your main vein. Yeah, it's totally toxic. Right? Yeah, you're not going to put chlorella straight in there. You're not going to put up straight in there. No, you're my friends normal matter in the morning and your stomach has to transform it. So that's the fire. That's the change. That's the combustion. That's a metabolism. And so that's why they call it ugly. So the most important thing. Understand that I Vader is how is your digestion and what's happened in the world being welded moment all about digestion all about digestion. The East has been talking about if the thousands of years we the West with all that science. It's like we've just discovered as a gut. Yeah, and it's got brain and as it got brain, yeah, so we all right exactly. So while I love what we're doing in science, it doesn't tell you the whole picture the whole picture already exists now because there's reductionism within it, right? Yes, and finally we got the reductionism into the mic. The biome of the garbage is then I can use a bigger. This is an organism rather than sit there and try and calculate exactly what you're putting into the garden. Have you got the right amount of prebiotics and probiotics, etc. Etc. More think how digestible is as food. And how how what capacity is my ugly working right now am I simulating with the food? So my ugly is low because I have got indigestion because I'm tired because I'm stressed because I'm angry. Because I've just woken up if I go and take the most incredibly nutritious organic biodynamic meal and dump it in there without chewing and without being present. I'm going to call myself a bit of a disaster that food is not going to become that incredible neck to reduce that. We assume it is because it's made up of loads of great plant Foods just so I mean, yeah, I mean you can I mean you can just throw out the pH balance alone, right? Absolutely. You're just you're basically putting A big undigestible log onto a low burning fire and it's going to smolder and it's going to putrefy and it's not going to burn cleanly, but if your fire is up and it's roaring you just hiked Tony you just said just this morning I could if I could eat through my ears Jazz, you know, he is above one is again, one of these These are laddies loads. I'm actually fueling so you could eat what we might be going in that. He's watching away and she probably don't rush it. He might he's fire is burning. So brightly that if I gave you what we might consider as the most unusual richest junk food plate right. Now your body would still make great work of it. Your fire is on its going to burn through it, you know, and that's the difference. That's why you might be on holiday super relaxed having a great time. Like why does bread cheese and wine going down so well because Cause you're relaxed you're fires working you ate when you are hungry, you slept you took a nap in the afternoon because you were tired, you know, you had time to have a glass of water because you said I'm thirsty sounds wonderful. You had a relaxing P how many of us go to the toilet. This is a really good one. I knew I was I knew you know, I had to sort myself out when I stood literally push my pee through because I didn't have time. Pauline the opposite on the rungs because I nearly wet myself. Yeah, it's on. Oh my God. Oh my God, right. Well, I'm really waiting in the middle of a village. It's not that easy. Yeah, I do. Remember when you first asked me to do this. The last time I did a 5K run was a group parkrun and it was in Killington in Devon. Yeah, and everyone kind of took off and the pizzas the picture and me the competitive side. I used to run from high school kind of was like Why my 10 people people back on a bit the front I'm going to I'm going to do this and the adrenaline just took it out of me. I thought you were gonna dump crap myself and pee myself. It was it was exhausting and actually turned to lead before I even got halfway through it was like my legs were so heavy after that. It was a nightmare so many images from that we can put them up it was that I just kept the head of this one guy and girl and just the last like, you know, A couple of meters. They just went past me and I was gonna happen. But yeah, your you know, your body is just trying to lose its so focused on what it's doing. It just wants to dump anything that's getting in his way, you know and and dumping them it's all about who's doing what who's a lot but, you know you want to be able to dump it when it's ready to be dumped. Yes. I hold onto that hold on to that stuff and that's what of Life That's why and also don't push stuff. So we love you know, he's about a squat then yeah, mr. Video anyway. Jazz ripped her pants where James was just for those been showing off games. We were showing off in there. I was like totally it just ripped my new jeans. Yeah, but I was talking about pooping. Yes something and putting it would important position so about oh gosh 15 years ago. There was a girl a friend of mine. She's from Australia and she was very much into this, you know. Animalistic movement she should come and stay with me part of the time in the year and I see shoe marks on My Lou. I was like, what were you doing? She's an alarm squatting on the Louvre. It's a really bad accent. Yeah, Mom. I'm going to school and I look like I said why she said was much better if you think about it, you know, you're all in a lineman. You're not going to strain it gravity takes, you know, because I wasn't doing that. Well, I have to say 15 years ago and I took on I took on board and it's brilliant and now I've got a little kid store said it's you know, yeah. Well, I just saw Hit The Squatty Potty with The Squatty Potty. Really, yeah. But I have you know, I know I've utilized that the squatting on a loose eat on times when I've traveled and I'm not feeling like I'm you know, I need to go but it's not probably coming or it's not feeling like a full evacuation. Yeah, and also we can use that as a signal calmly. Yeah, so you can use the poop. Yes. Yes. Now I know I'm stressed now. I know I'm not regulated. Now. I know this because I like that though Chic breakdown of your poop going. Okay. So when vodka is aggravated, right you'll get Rabbit pellets. It's okay, you know the deer poop. So we've had those I don't think you have to have you. Okay, so I'm going to tell you next. Okay, so varsa will have a dryer remember there are we dry light erratic. So you'll get little rabbit pellet pops, you know, the pits are when it's aggravated and I think you're going to recognize this one. You get the rungs you get hot liquid. Remember a picture is hot liquid oily. So if your fire is 2 Hots you basically incinerating what you're putting in before you could use Lies, you're not burning its have you're burning through it rather than burning it steadily which then overfed and undernourished kind of exactly exactly you are not able to utilize absorb assimilate any of the goodness. So, you know, I know quite a few people who are very kind of active every out there and they're putting away a lot of food and you ask them very problems. Go to the toilet. No, go three four times a day. That's a sign what and then you look at the Bristol stool chart 1 2 3 4 5. Which one are you? You and then the extreme that the runs, you know, the Other Extreme is the dry pellets and lovely at number three is that nice smooth easy? Nothing on the tissue when you wipe, you know Hast brilliantly and you feel like complete you've got your completed that mission. Sorry if anyone is it works great food is remember its Earthly in its watery. So they tend to do very kind of large soft foods. No, and yeah, you can get quite constipated and sticky and Tory when they're aggravated. So it's a really nice indication of what's going on. So you could be a pizza type. I have a calf or aggravation. So don't again, hang on to what your greeting or your your Constitution is because your vicar T is really actually about where you are at. Yeah, so you might go and hang out with a whole load of pictures which you might aggravate your pizza. Hanging out with pictures but also might make you go. Oh God. I want to be here and you're in your in your inner. You know, you might feel very what's the word inadequate. So you might start shrinking into the other doshas kind of come into play. So it's you just a kid just a moving Feast. Basically, it's lovely to the get to know all three of the doshas and if you go to my website, you can do a three minute - your test and actually in answering it are my eyes flicky and Artie on my lashes longe and Lush. I'm like who's like this you get to actually understand through Website Jasmine Hemsley.com. There we go. Everyone to take a look at that. I think is it such a valuable tool? You know any age group so we talked about 20s, you know, this is anywhere. This is great for parents. You know my mum particularly. Yeah, you know if you talk about with your children or your child your child can articulate Mom. I'm feeling very hot. I need something cooling. You know, that's a natural way to bring balance and Mom. You know what I'm feeling under the weather. I think I need soup because it's pretty Super's predigested if you think about it, there's nothing wrong or to contend with their there's nothing hard to break down and the body when it's when it's sick. It needs the easiest fuel without expending energy in the wrong place for him. Sustainable balance gonna get some soup. Now, I'm going to I'm going to keep smashing these balls so allowed to reframe that smashing smashing balls. Yeah. I think we I think we can we talk about fashion. Yes, that's so important when we discuss their yeah, because we talk about sustainability is if it's reuse recycle with the rewilding Alex and I've got the refused we do. Use reuse recycle recover rots. That is the hierarchy of waste. There you go, but we need to know so like going back to Lawrence. The lawyer is what sustainable today as the human being. Yeah. So even when it comes to that chart up there is not to get so stressed on the refuse reduce, you know, do just do what you can is use or refuse refuse. Yes you refuse it. I think it's more dump it. I was it like refuse. Yeah, I think so. Oh, I thought it was like refusing things that someone says, oh here's a gift and it's plastic and I might go. No, I'm not having that. Yeah, so I tell people at Christmas and birthdays. I don't want anything I think weeklies. Yeah, you know, we can't compost or we can't burn we don't want it for the kids give you a toilet roll then. Yeah, but aren't you guys in my compost heap? Yeah. Yeah. It's Sustainability in fashion. So, you know I came right before I went into what I'm doing today. I was doing TV commercials, but my main line of work was e-commerce suddenly. There's this whole world of e-commerce and I started off doing you know used to do a shoot of maybe three outfits a day that was back in the kind of fashion days and everything took time like the look like Lawrence the lawyer you would take a Polaroid the lighting would take all day because there was no way to adjust this on a computer and No way to backtrack you got to get it right there. And then so take all these Polaroids that cost a lot of money by the way to check the lighting and then you would start shooting then a career would come collect the film one roll of film take it to be processed. I can feel James game really excited here. Why is he just he bought a camera film camera? Yeah. What do we call it? A film can be bought film camera. Yeah. It's a geek out about it the other day. Yeah, it's Nick. So a career would come and collect it take off to me process of the lab. And so everyone on the shoot. We didn't have a long lunch. Come back. Check the film. Are we good to go? Yes, well, we'll start using our so equator pop film lemons and shoot this guy. So that was what I shoot was and it turned into this digital age and I remember lots of obviously I'm not going there. I'm not going there not going there. They eventually had to had to move the time. So you have to move with the technology and then it Of to eight shots a day then 20 shots a day, then 30 shots first shots of the last changes changes changes. Okay. Yeah. So when I left I was doing about between 40 and 60 items of clothing in a day. What? Yeah, and I think of all right. Yeah, so I was watching all this kind of fashion as putting on so it was terrible ill-fitting cheap and you literally have the Mac operators there and they be station and they would literally be tucking They beat they'd be manipulating the image to make what was essentially a size 12 fit my frame, which is smaller and make it look neat and Polished and put together until we can together perfect basically campaign image on website and it felt a bit gross all this clothing coming in and me kind of knowing that it wasn't what it says on the tin or what we look like. Anyway, I was also a big shopper I hadn't really been somebody that you could buy clothes when I was younger. And so this is my Outlet Plus being a model you tend to hang around a lot in neither shops between castings and you go and buy something because honey fast fashion was a thing. You could literally pick up the top for a fiver. Yeah. Yeah fully in that world. Yeah, I was massively in that world. And and when you're a model you also self-employed side look at my receipts from you know, High Street stores at the end of the in a bit like 20 items. I bought all in one like top 499 are banned 199 trousers nickers pants pack of three socks another top another top, you know, I was thinking I don't even know what those things are. That's quite scary that's disconnected. And so and it was so so yeah, and so it became as I moved into food and realizing it's not just what you're eating. It's when you're eating it's how you're eating. I just became a lot more conscious of my environment and the actions I took and it by That's not to reflect in I remember 12 10 years ago sitting with my best deal and I'm going to start wearing pajamas and decided that I needed pajamas. I didn't know Nene I'm always wearing a t-shirt try to find an organic pair of pajamas. Nothing came up and I thought I live in London surely. Someone's doing organic cotton pajamas note bit by bit though more Brands more designers like to come up and do this and I thought you know what? I'm going to support them when I buy new I'm going to I'm going to look to these Guys first and have the same most of the time it wasn't my style wasn't my taste and also very expensive that time wasn't it? Very very expensive thing that usually comes up. So I was sent this is who they organic something organic company, right Inglot ya Goin. Oh, they're saving money is label this so it's so they sent in a night and they said old you mind putting up something on stores. I yeah perfectly fine doing it then some rich You kidding me. How much does a 95 pounds for a t-shirt maybe neck t-shirt and pair of pants? Yeah, so I responded I just said, well you have to understand that look we have to get behind companies like this because they have to go through that transitional phase. Yeah, and we have to respect the monetary cost of that. It's a huge expense. Yeah transform from a company that then look at the same will measures and how many units are they shifting, you know, exactly companies that literally make 5 p on Hurry Garmin or every product they sell but they're selling so many. How do you compete against those people? It's not true. It's also the packaging right? So it's it used to be on what every item would be in its own plastic wrap. Yes to say this would become his own plastic, right? So A friend of mine has a leggings business. You said it is side offer. I think five years ago, they're getting one pair of leggings. So this is nuts right. We got to stop this. Can we have this? Yeah, when are we don't have that yet. So that's correct. Whole thing, right man. So the mechanism has changed. Yes. The factories has changed and that was the biggest cost right? So that really reflected in how much you could charge for leggings. And that was at that stage to have 1010 leggings in one plastic wrap. And then once they have them they would individually wrap them all in paper and send them out. So then they just the hours alone. Yes, and if you think about it, you know when you look at maybe some designer some designer Brands the box. So the shoe comes in a shoe bag and Tony is moving. I've got a squad to find a new position this body squat now, that's something I can score that will do for now so good. So shoes will come in a shoe bag to protect the individual shoe, which would then come in a shoebox, but then the shoe box was also popular. Became part of the offering some the shoebox would then be protected by something else and it starts to become all this because you want everyone want something fresh and you you you know, I remember people I said work in a shoe shop and they didn't want the box that was a bit battered and I'm like it's the box is just a box box. You're going to go home you put that box in the bin. We've got some battered shoes or put them in a really nice boat and it's funny because it changes your mentality and now Now, you know we're sitting in this place called, you know lesser litter and there's a whole new, you know type of person coming in here who doesn't want the packaging it will want the packaging at all. So we're shifting. We are shifting and that's what's exciting. And this is where technology is brilliant. I only can It can it solve the problem of getting 10 leggings into a guy rather than just one it can also it can also spread the message. You know, I remember when I didn't want to have chemical-laden Beauty. Excuse me. I'd spent 15 years under braking Hot Lights with endocrine disruptive chemicals in cooking them into my skin but to stand up and you know it you know and say I don't want to my skin people look like are you off your rocker? What you want what you want cashmere wrap the lipstick, you know, that's what they think is like it's like and we just don't fully understand it and we also think that to be Free is to be a luxury rather than a requirement of hearing requirement want to say chemical-free, you know, everything's chemicals. I'm talking about, you know, disruptive chemicals exactly. What is it was harsh was harsh. And so yes, I basically started to put these companies and I've changed my stance a lot in many ways. One of the things I've always been is I've always been quite thrifty. My parents are very Thrifty. I love a secondhand. I love picking up furniture from the side of the road. I love fixing And mending things and I love vintage charity you name it hand-me-downs and that's part of my life. So I'm really trying to encourage people who are kind of freaked out by wearing other people's clothes or something. That's not new. I've got something on my website that helps you to you know, shift the energy of the of the of the person who previously wore it I also like a ceremony the ceremony lovely intention based or using Palace on toe or are you sound or giving thanks to the person. That's exactly and then saying it up. I'm hoping that right. Our energies leave it in. This is now it's new life with me. I think that's important and I think a lot of these rituals that we dismisses, you know, we were you are important because it brings us to the present moment. It defines our intentions. It's it's helps us to yeah to have the right energy in and around things and also, you know, I do a lot of kind of modeling if you like the free a lot of Brands who on the sustainable kind of track to highlight, you know highlight their existence to other people who are looking for, you know, a new t-shirts or a new pair of trainers or you know, like then some I said, do you know if you love these trainers I was wearing and she's wonderful summer and she didn't know you get a single pair of trainers, you know, that didn't use natural materials like wool didn't use his this harsh glue the center of and I know I'm very aware that yes when you're talking about a five pound vest And in comparison to an ethically bought 70 quid vest is going to rule a lot of people out it does but you know what my friends joke about this, but I bought I bought years ago twenty something years ago. I bought a mew mew jacket. Yeah. I bought a Vivienne Westwood coat. And I still haven't done their real classic. Yeah, and everyone just eating today stops you get that jacket, you know, and that's a different. Yes. I'm wearing underneath here. This is a brand called basic which has sustainable credentials, but I didn't know at the time. I bought it in Australia any basis for this is organic basis. So it's basic. Okay Dass I ke no. No, no basic Australian brand. Very well as its influence and it's frowned on and and I avoid exactly 10 years ago. I was in Australia exactly 10 years ago and I still wear it all the time. I can't promise that I wear all my wardrobe. I've got quite a big water. I'm gonna hold my hands up here. But a lot of it is second-hand a lot of his hand me downs and and I get gifted a lot as well from these designers because I do show things off but not everything is gifted. I sent it back and I just think Even I'm even a bit Kroger in washing to be honest because I love that. There are extremists out there that will take it apart of you say I'm organic and and biodynamic and you know plastic free and there are experts out there who will tear you down. Yeah, but of course, we in greenwashing we are making it a more of a language. I am interested in a vegan lipstick. I don't want my makeup to sort of animals. I don't want this crowd. I don't want love' I'll you know what blubbery my lipstick that was a Thing Once Upon a Time. And so it's changing the conversation. It's making us more aware and we're moving in that direction. And because it's a competitive market. That's the like that's the world. We live in brand will change we have to have to change so we are some faster than others. We're moving. We're moving the right direction. And I think that's what's important. Yes, if we individually make such some changes eventually that you know, there's more people getting that bubble. Definitely in whatever way it is. If if you're conscious about one of your 10 decisions that you make we are that's progress, that's brilliant. Yeah, and if you think you know, this is my favorite quote from that alarm over you think you're too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. All right, how's it going? You know, I think one of my room last night, I think we should I love her. It's such a good quote is beautiful. I think wondering what up more than the sound of that mosquito. That's when you have to practice really good meditation. Like just been Fab. Thank you. Thanks for watching the train all the way your body's exhausted. I'm mentally yes. Thanks. Thank you for all that. You're doing serious. I'm glad you're running this not me. Hey, you know will dinner be right? Absolutely Making Waves. Yeah super can't wait to see you on day 10. I really enjoyed that conversation Jasmine What a Beautiful Soul if you feel the need to find more balance, let's face it who doesn't then head over to www.skinnygainmuscle.com. Thanks for welcoming wisdom. I also highly recommend picking up a copy of Jasmine's book East and West it's a well-being Warriors must and a real favorite in the house riddle. If you like the conversation and please do show some love by spreading the message wide and far if you have in any way been inspired by my 3030 sustainable challenge, then please do make a donation to one or more of the sustainability and environmental organizations that I am fundraising for. You will find the justgiving page is in the links and remember peeps. We can't all live in nature, but that doesn't mean we can't live naturally.

I had the pleasure of getting behind the mic with my well-being sister the one and only Jasmine Hemsley. Jasmine Hemsley is a three-time best-selling author, the Founder of Hemsley + Hemsley and East by West,  a TV presenter with a show broadcast in over 25 countries, chef, food and health writer, restaurateur and nutrition & wellness expert. Jasmine believes that small, key changes in our everyday lives can create a profound, positive impact. Even in a hectic modern world, health, wellbeing and happiness are well within reach. She encourages people to take their health into their own hands, using great nutrition, mindfulness and balance as tools to build a strong, healthy and vital body." And we discuss exactly that. We discuss everything well-being- from; doshas to digestion, sustainable humans to sustainable fashion. Jasmine has a beautiful soul, and more simply put, just wants to help us all to be more human. I hope you enjoy the conversation.

Welcome to the women in sport and exercise academic Network podcast. I am your host doctor j keep aside and also co-founder of the network. The purpose of the women in sport and exercise academic network is to grow strengthen and promote research on women in sport and exercise with the ultimate goal of optimizing women's athletic success and their participation. With these podcasts we wish to bring you information from leading academics who are researching about women in sport in exercise and provide you with advice and support for the exercising female. Please remember our disclaimer that the opinions content and recommendations contained within our podcasts are for general information only and should not be substituted for medical advice treatment or diagnosis. In this episode. Dr. Lucy pigott talks about her PhD on gender equity in sport governance her advice. She has for organizations and individuals to Foster gender equality and also her current research projects and activities. Dr. Lucy Pickett is a research fellow at the University of Chester. She has recently completed a doctorate looking at gender equity. Take within English sport governance in her current role as research fellow Lucy is working with internal and external colleagues to develop research on women and Sport Lucy sits on the operational Management Group for the Anita White Foundation, which aims to combine scholarship and activism for women and Sport. She is also coordinator of the women's sport Leadership Academy which offers a residential for women's sport leaders. He's so that they can further develop their leadership confidence and competence. I've got Lucy pigott here today with me. I'm going to start talking with you Lucy about your work from your PhD. I know a little bit about it, but could you tell me a little bit more? Yeah, for sure. I fancy a thanks for having me and I supposed to start with the background for why I conducted This research essentially. It's because there's a continued lack of women with in leadership positions within English for governance, but also across the world. So my research really look too. The stand more at an in-depth level some of the gender power relations that are happening within sport organizations that continue to reproduce these gendered Trends where men are dominating with in decision-making positions in sport governance. So what I did was I conducted interviews with board members executive leaders middle managers within two national governing bodies England golf in the lawn tennis Association. So two large established. the governing bodies also conducted observations within their to headquarters and that was observing General organizational practice, but also key events such as board meeting strategic meetings departmental meetings and so on so that observation of element was actually really really useful not only for the observations that I saw and analyze but also to develop that Rapport and and you get General organizational knowledge, so I was really trying to And within the two organizations what the gender representation was how many men and women on the boards and executive leadership teams? And then what is happening within the organization's at different levels of organizational practice to understand why these Trends keep occurring and did those observations that were you were making did they match up what the individuals were saying or was sometimes there are a bit of a mismatch. Generally it did match up. I found that individual seem to be pretty honest with in their interviews, which did surprised me somewhat because some of them were quite hope high-profile individuals within the sport. I found that generally the male interviewee is because I interviewed both men and women which was really important to me because if men are those with in positions of power and that men are those that are dominant than obviously we need to understand their experiences and perspectives. So sometimes I found that the men seem to deem organizational culture in particular is being a More gender neutral or a bit more positive than the women suggested or observations suggested but generally it was aligned fairly. Well between the interviews and observations. Yeah, and have you been able to use any of these findings to provide recommendations for people? So that's where I'm at at the moment. I my PhD was officially signed off in April of this year. So I'm a few months down the line and I'm currently writing up reports for the the two organizations that are talking about the key findings, which I can talk about in a moment. So they're sort of accessible reports specific to the organization's. I'm also going to develop reports for sport England UK Sport and women in sport so that those organizations that are actually producing the governance code producing strategies and policy and so on that my research can be used there and I've also had a few organizations that have got in touch with me because they've heard about my research and they're in Should to see how I can essentially do a similar thing within their organization to improve gender Equity within leadership, but also organizational culture more widely. So I'm having some conversations with a couple of ndb's at the moment around that and you said you're going to talk about your findings what findings then did specifically you come up with that. We're insightful. Yeah. So there are three broad findings. I suppose that that I found in the first unfortunately was Unsurprising in that I found that sport governance does continue to privilege men and masculinity and it continues to normalize in naturalize men with in leadership positions and the second the second broad finding is that these privileging of men and male domination. It was very multi-layered. So it happened at all levels of organizational practice. I looked at firstly the macro structural level. So things like formal rules and processes such as Governance rules recruitment processes election processes and so on and found that they both directly and indirectly privilege men an example of that was England golf at the time of research. They had a rule where of the 13 board members 10 reflected from the council and of those ten elected directors six were always women. Sorry six were always men and four were always women and that was to reflect gender Trends in participation within the sports their Europe but if you're going to enforce rules where you've got six men and four women straightaway that creates a gender imbalance and so that's an example of quite a direct result of microstructures and then the mezzo cultural level. I found that there were informal organizational practices that reinforce this naturalization of men and masculinity with in leadership positions are examples of that was gendered language such as the position of chairman or the chair of the organization was referred to as Chairman and straight to a researchers suggested that if you're saying chairman someone automatically thinks man, another example of that was that at the lawn tennis Association when I was researching they were currently recruiting for a CEO at the time and in some meetings people were saying when the new CEO gets in he will do this and he will do that and there was absolutely no clue at that point who the CEO was going to be in that it was going to be a man so you can see that the gender language within the organization. Is just normalizing that leaders are or will be men and other things such as gender dress codes expectations around working practices and so on some of these informal practices and then at the micro individual level, I found that generally men had more opportunity to accumulate power through their cultural social and also physical beings and selves. So an example of this was that women leaders that I spoke to actually felt that they had Physical presence or authority and power as Leaders than their male counterparts and that could be through their physical stature being physically smaller in size than men which made them feel like they had less physical Authority across a room and also women spoke about their picture of their voice. So if the man has got a lower voice, which on average we know that men do have lower pitched voices, then it's generally seen as being more authoritative than a female voice which is on average higher pitch so you can see how That these issues they're not at any one level. There are actually occurring at all levels of organization or practice which means that when we're looking at strategies to change organizations to and to make them more gender writable. Then we also need to address. These are all of these different levels of practice and at the moment there's a lot of work being done at the structural level around governance codes quotas targets and at the individual level around the development of individual women leaders, but we're work really needs to be done is at that cultural level looking at Informal organization practices that's really yet. The next stage. Is that possible then to change that cultural perspective. So if you were a consultant for instance to a governing body within sport, how would you implement that change to ensure that change occurred in the cultural domain? Yeah. It's a really tough one and Coach is really tough to challenge because of its very deep-rooted nature and it's that old traditional thing of we've always done it this way and that's always really dangerous thinking and us as human beings don't like to change but I do think that there are ways in which we can start to change organizational culture and I think the first step in this is increased awareness and reflexivity to start with because not everybody within organizations is even aware of some of the problematic practices are not aware that some of it happens and secondly, they're not aware at times the problematic results or outcomes or votes. Distance so things such as the word chairman. It wasn't until I had these conversations with some of the individuals that they realize the impact that that could have informally and subconsciously. So I think that's the first stage and then the second stage I think is creating this organizational buy-in because essentially if we're going to change practice and change culture in organizations need to place higher value on alternative practices because if you don't value change more highly than what you're currently doing then you've got no, Motive or Reason to do something and I think two ways in which we can increase organizational by it to enable organizational cultural change is Lincoln gender Equitable practice and gender Equity within leadership with organizational targets values and performance because if we can evidence of a stronger link between gender equity and an organization that embodies the values that it wants to and also increases its performance and I think organizations going to have it. Much greater chance to and motivation to change what they're doing at the cultural level, you know often we kind of sit here as individuals though. And I know you said there are quite a few things that has been done at the individual level and it's a culture shift that's needed. But that is so hard. Like you said it Demands a lot of buy-in like you say, it depends everybody to be interested in making that change. So if you're sitting there in a company and you feel that you want want to sway somehow people's thoughts and feelings and opinion and culture. Is there anything that you can do if you're sitting there as somebody who's not a leader but working in an organization is anything you can do to shift that culture? I think a big thing and it comes hand in hand with culture is creating a safe space firstly for individuals to feel that they can make change and they can stand up for themselves and they can call things out because I think if we're going to is that thing with if you finish a meeting everyone needs their coffee cups, if you're the first person you'll make a fist and right. I'm going to pick up my coffee cup and I'm going to people then follow because they see what you're doing. They see. Oh, yeah, actually that is the right thing to do and they do do so, so it needs people to be the first people to pick up the coffee cup, but you also need a safe environment because some of the women that I spoke to saw the that feminism was in congress with popularity and Social Capital so they felt like it was a away at between either standing up for women and being actually unpopular and being seen as a bit of a pain in the backside or actually just putting that to one side not rocking the boat, which was the time that I heard quite a lot don't Bang the Drum don't The boat because the way that we can actually move forward is by women getting leadership positions and being Role Models. So I think for women they feel like they kind of have to pass that they can take so it's that feminists. I suppose the standing up fighting for right side of things or it's actually quietly getting on with their job doing the job well and then leading the way for other leader for other female leaders, so I think there's two ways that people can look at it and I think there's from what I have understood from the people are speaking to you there. Different opinions on on which is the most effective and I suppose I don't have the answer but I think we need a bit of both and you do some of this work as part of the women's sport Leadership Academy. Is that right? Just your research feed into that in terms of how you can promote better leadership competence within women. Yeah. I think I mean my research specifically, I mean this we had the women's Leadership Academy the week after that. Stram to it was the 16th to 21st of June and I conducted a session around my my research and some of the participants were interested in that but the the Woman's World Leadership Academy started way before I even did my PhD it first started in 2014, and we've had six residential week since and it's a program of the you need to wait Foundation, which is based here at the University of Chester. And it essentially the mission is to provide opportunities for women. Leaders to develop their confidence and competence As Leaders of sport and to step up and really make an impact essentially. So although I was coordinator of Whistler 2019 and I sit on the organizing committee and so on. So yeah, my research certainly has it has some impact but there's a big a much wider team around me of amazing women leaders themselves who are essentially leading the facilitation and the deliberate Over which that as we determine if people want to get involved with that either by attending one of the residential's or even by helping out maybe on delivering a session how would they be able to do that in terms of participation? We will send out the call for applications. I believe it would be September October of this year. So that will be going out and it's for any women that work within sport. Organizations and their in middle or senior leadership positions or management positions and we have certain criteria around that but that can all be found on the website for the women support Leadership Academy. So if you Google it, then you come to the website and more information can be found there in terms of delivering the sessions. We have a call facilitator team for each residential week and that's made up mostly of people who have actually graduated from the women's sport Leadership Academy than Outside the academy isn't just the residential week, but it's also facilitator training networking. So we've got a network now of 283 women from 52 countries that have graduated from Whistler, which is a statistic that we're really proud of and that's women both within Sport and Sport for development. So we've got a real growing network of these women leaders and generally the facilitators come through the program itself. So it's a further development opportunity because we see that the development of these women leaders doesn't stop them the program ends, but it keeps happening through CPD and networking and then the opportunity to be a facilitator so offering one of session it's not really something that we do if somebody's interested in being the facilitator of the whole week then we'd certainly be interested in having a conversation but it's really about developing relationships across the week between the facilitators and the participants within a really safe environment and we feel like if we have lots of people coming Different people throughout the week that that safe environment is potentially jeopardize the bit with the Anita White Foundation is that embedded up to Chester is that part of what the University of Chester is about or is it equally as outward-facing it's both so it's located within the university. It's part of the University within the Institute of sport and it's made up of essentially those that are on the operational Management Group myself. Dr. Jordan Matthews who's a senior lecturer at the university. The chair elects is dr. Susie heavily who's also a senior lecturer at the University and then dr. Anita White herself sits on your facial Management Group, and we also have a student action team. So we embed students within the work that we do they help with fundraising Social Media communication spreading the word across the student community. So on but really what we aim to do is combine scholarship and activism for women in sports. Obviously that scholarship element is really strongly linked to the university in some of the work that I'm doing as a research fellow some of the research we've got an archive that's based at the University. We need to wait Foundation archive that's basically documents the history of the women in sport movement and including the international working group Four Women in sport. So we hold a lot of documents around their history. The development of the women's sports Foundation now women in sport and we're very open for anybody interested in the women and Sport movement and women in sport activism to come and visit the archive and then we offer or is a secondary focus is education development of women leaders and Scholars. So the women's sport leadership is the key Flagship project to the you need to wait foundation. And then we've also got things such as Catalyst grants which we offer to graduates of the academy. And there's small grants for them to go off and develop their own programs to enhance the experiences of girls and women in sport in their own country or Zone organization. And then we have some other online projects that we're working on that link to the archive which are around preserving the heritage of women in sport. One of those is led by my colleague Jordan Matthews. It's a timeline for women in sport which documented the history of key events around hundreds of sports within hundreds of Trees. It's a really amazing resource. And then I've LED on the development of an online resource called the change makers which is celebrating the life and work of key women and Sport Scholars and activists in the field and Professor. Celia. Breckenridge was Arthur's changemaker that was celebrated. Are you going to add more to that then? Yeah, we're in talks at the moment with the international working group Four Women in sport around how we can further develop that and it's just looking at resources to do so both in terms of time. Time and financial rules Luther you speak so eloquently about these things. So I'm sure you'll be able to make a big hit in terms of working as a consultant for instance for businesses on leadership and gender equality because you just speak so naturally, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Thanks very much. And that's definitely something I think that most researchers want to try and create impact and apply their research and that's something I'm really passionate about. So thank you very much that there's much Appreciated well lovely speaking to you. Is there anything else that you would like to add that? We've not may be covered? No, I think that's everything. I think just for everybody to look out for for the call for applications for the next women's sport Leadership Academy, but other than that, I think we've covered everything excellent. Thanks very much. Thanks Jackie.

Dr Lucy Piggott is a Research Fellow at the University of Chichester. Both her research and applied activities are focused around women and sport. She has recently completed a doctorate looking at gender equity within English sport governance and used a multi-method approach of semi-structured interviews, participant observation, and an analysis of supporting documents to understand the workings of dominant gender power relations within two large English national governing bodies of sport: England Golf and the Lawn Tennis Association. Using Pierre Bourdieu’s theory of practice as a theoretical framework, she found evidence of simultaneous conservation and resistance of practices that privilege and profit male leaders. She recommends that resistance to male-dominated sport governance needs to occur at all levels of sport organisations (macro/structural, meso/cultural, and micro/individual) to enable sustainable change. She also suggests that gender equitable governance should be linked to organisational values and performance to provide motivation for organisations to make change. In her current role, Lucy is working with both internal and external colleagues on research ideas, proposals and bids across a range of topics. In addition to her research activities, Lucy sits on the Operational Management Group for the Anita White Foundation (AWF), which is a part of the University of Chichester and aims to combine scholarship and activism for women and sport. The AWF has three key areas of focus: the education and development of women leaders and scholars in sport, preserving the heritage of women and sport, and research and scholarship. The primary project of the AWF is the Women’s Sport Leadership Academy (WSLA), which has a its main component a residential week held at the University of Chichester for women working in middle to senior sport leadership to develop their confidence and competence across a range of leadership behaviours. Lucy was coordinator for the 2019 Women’s Sport Leadership Academy which saw 36 women from 19 countries attend the residential week. WSLA has also run programmes in Botswana and New Zealand. Excluding WSLA 2019 participants, WSLA has a global network of 228 women from 41 countries who have graduated from a WSLA programme. In this episode, Lucy talks about her PhD on gender equity in sport governance, her advice she has for organisations and individuals to foster gender equality and also her current research projects and activities.

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There's his brother to Nick's dad yelled at him. He did you guys think you're a Hardy boy. Yeah, my brother me. They call me is like dude. What the fuck? Ready, boys. They start is nobody's to work their way up. Like they were jobbers rights what they say In The Biz call guys put people over putting people over in the biz. So like someone else win one guy fought volkoff Nikolai volkoff one of the greats back in the juice. All right. I was like, oh my God, I mean, I know all rustlers not the the whole new thing. I'm getting onto that but he fought Nikolai volkoff gorgeous a long time ago long on the great thing is like Pat got their complete fucking Tory yeah, I tried that out tomorrow tomorrow's episode. I think it's pretty fucking hold on. I don't even give a fuck if you're in to sports entertainment that world or not. The it didn't matter. This was a great fucking interview with two guys that have a really cool story to tell you Brothers. Yeah, hell of a I mean this is a really entertaining interview and what happened in the office today. I'll let Pat lead the way on this cuz this hey I was expecting to have this much fun. I'll be honest. Okay, you know what? I mean, I mean either by the way, they blew me away and you had to set up perfectly. So go ahead and lead us through it. I don't know if it was set up perfectly. There's probably a couple things to conductor hindsight. You can always fix something but this relationship with WWE is turning into be awesome. Yeah and smackdowns in town last night and then the Annapolis by the way, shout out to Indianapolis for showing up and smack down and put on a great show the audience incredible. Yeah. I hope hope hope they were but they said hey, we're going to be in town on Tuesday. You mind if we bring a couple people over for you guys to do content with well, they got we love it. They're like, okay cool The Hardy Boys are coming. Like wait a minute the fucking Hardy Boys. They're like, yeah and I was like, two three days ago or whatever and obviously in this office, we do a lot of prep. Yep. Oh, yeah. So we thought about this as soon as they told us that The Hardy Boys are coming about how exactly how we're going to take advantage of everything the best we are the quest that conversation didn't start until yesterday afternoon. Fuck The Hardy Boys are coming in about 4 o'clock about 3:30 4 o'clock. What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? So obviously we get a trampoline a brand-new trampoline. Yep Tie a bunch of places had to go tie and Nick did a fool scour around the entire city to find it a shot at Dick's. Yeah. Yeah shout out dicks. Also shout-out to the fucking General Tso's you guys hate making us wait on Urban. Yeah. We're having chicken was actually delicious. Nick rolled out goes to a mall. He cannot pass up the food court. It's literally like his favorite thing about also took us. You know 45 minutes to get there. It was the traffic was bad as dinner time. We're just sitting here waiting everybody in the office was waiting for those to come back because they they said that they would go get the which is very nice. And we need a trampoline for The Hardy Boys are coming obviously party was coming down need a trampoline in the office samples that we have an office that you can jump in to. Oh, yeah. So we're waiting around for them to get a couple Archer. We didn't expect it to be two and two and a half three. We thought we were coming back. It was gonna be an all-nighter just tying. I put this The other day I sell to be 10 minutes to put together. Yeah, the reason why the reason why we said yes to the trampoline is because there were some people very confident the amount of time it would take to put together trampoline. Yeah. No problem. We are told an hour at best on one said tops now some things have changed. I said unless the technology for a trampoline has advanced you said yeah, I did say that turns out it turns out it did quite a bit. It was insane the boys you guys were awesome there. Seven of us and it was all we can handle like we got it. We pulled the old like it's halfway put together when like, oh, yeah, this is wrong and we had to take it all upon. Yeah, that's the car over again. Like finally take the screws out have to slam the screws in there because the holes weren't big enough for all the screws to fit not exaggerating it built for them in my lifetime. You know that myself on the back none of them. From a very blue-collar family or excuse yourself over there. Yeah gradually above ground pools the trampolines bro. That's what Plum does. Yeah ours was in ground. No big deal have those by the way. Yeah like pools but it's a trampoline Bill Gates had one it was one of the first things I ever saw as a little kid. Like wealthy people there was one of my first experiences seeing what wealthy people I was Bill Gates like a 60 Minutes interview or something and he had a trampoline floor in his house. Mmm. That's nice. All right, so you've built for your life. So we build them no big deal right half an hour 45 minutes, but these ones the net has to connect into the post on the legs are wearing little nuts and bolts and everything is just so meticulous. So he has three and a half three and a half hours. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much three three hours. It's a three two and a half your sandwich. Well, like the all these things you have to Together they give you those little fucking Allen wrenches, you're laying down you it takes you like 45 minutes per screw. I mean, it's just it's 30 sir. Yeah. It's and then we gave zero the instructions whenever you guys were gone for your three-hour trip to get that triply it was Couple of us still here. I asked you to I said, hey is the trampoline going to be a zero production. Are you going to be a party? See all y'all get Downer? You also asked me do things and take 30 minutes. I said no it's and take like three or four hours. Yeah. Well, I don't know if you said exactly two and a half hours, but I do remember you saying that it would take an extended amount of time. Oh, yeah, and I in my head I knew it was going to take a long ass time to I thought because I tried that Ikea fucking to drawer thing. Yeah. Nothing was nowhere near done after an hour and a trampoline much different. Yeah, but you guys Want to town made the make the world proud because that trampoline is sturdy. It is is firm in the office. And today when the Hardys came in we interviewed them. We obviously got face painting lessons and then we did a off the ladder challenge top rope challenge into said trampoline that you guys built and it held up perfectly taught even when off the fuck. Yeah, very nice. I was scared shitless. That was a big deal for me like a lie. When I got to the top I was like, I'm a bitch out here. I don't know. I might just totally just fucking bow out of this thing. Hey, but that would be too embarrassing way to face your fear Todd. Todd almost blew out his knee on his way down those going through his heart. He jumped though. He did jump though. Yeah, Connor face planted almost the whole trampoline. I don't know skim the the net top of the net flying squirrel. I'm a daredevil when I'm up there. I don't want to get a bunch of hair get down Hannah. Buzz Lightyear flying squirrels and you are all very similar just falling with style. So how the same time that showed some real promise on his jump. All right, he would look good in the actual fucking ring. Oppression hain't thank you. I think they recognize to they were like, you got to see it on their faces are like, well, he waited a real one. Don't give away the video. Yeah video don't you dare? Don't see you spoiler. Just know. It's a fucking. It's good. Yeah, it is there's even little climactic moment though. Oh, yeah, the frost dates did an incredible job holding a liar. No surprise here. I did not choose to jump. Hey you were in there for half a second. Oh, yeah first thing that was like, alright, we got our face painted now, we gotta jump and digs goes. Oh, we got our faces painted. We have to jump. There's nothing I am 0% afraid of heights. I actually like heights but no one has no one has known as less confidence in me than me. I understand. I haven't jumped the act of jumping. I haven't jumped about 331 probably eight years good. I have no idea if these legs or even possibly jumping and I wasn't about to find out on a 15 foot ladder. They there was a real chance of missing a trampoline though. Like you had to actually bridge the gap between the ladder and I blame which I didn't add up beautifully built just had to commit you had really go for it. Just had to commit some magical moment sire. I told my girlfriend the last thing she said before I left the house yesterday morning was promise me that you're not going to jump is like no problem. You know me better now. I'm not gonna do that here with my girl said she said how how long will it take before you jump off of that medicine? Literally soon as I get in the office soon as I get an office to nominate. That's what this morning as soon as I walked in the office. My dad's already in August Lee soon as I walk in the office. Goodbye little workout in I don't know if I can see the trampoline. I'm like, here we go, right up to the top and you could still see the video my face and it looks like I just woke up in my dad's like what are you doing? I'm like, I need your film at that. He's like you got it and then I start climbing over the banister. He's like, I don't want to film this. Going to happen then regardless, but yeah, I fucking love it. I love that. We have a trampoline in the office. That's pretty sweet. This is what I'm learning about the WWE guy and like there's a reason why they put on such a great show his these dudes nurse in ladies are smart Yep. They're athletes some of the best athletes on the planet and they're a good frickin timing. There's no way you can maintain the schedule they maintained if you weren't that type of personality. Do you agree? Yeah. I bet you're the kind of weeds. Doubt the all right, Darren, Tina. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh-huh. Yeah, like maybe me and foxy foxy. No, but we did that fast lane to raw and then Rod Orlando for Disney and Foxy and I were like by day three, we got to the point where we were so tired like our body was just going. Yeah and I feel like that's how they are every day of their life. Like I think Michael called might be like that every single day of his life, and I'm just that's mind-blowing to me. I'm a hustler. Michael Cole right now is thinking he fucking struck gold because I think this is what's going to happen is you're going to be the person who helps showcase how awesome these people are outside the ring, you know the name of it by the way, ho yeah, Matt Hardy Jeff Hardy really cool people are stores incredible, but I don't think they get humanized enough your yeah. That's the work. You don't get human eye and we live in a world where people can relate to people. They are more likely to be franzen's. Okay, and I think in the WWE, they've they've always Ways had the storylines right kayfabe and all this stuff. You never really got to meet the people because remember these are all humans. You never get to meet the humans in the spectacles of humans that are behind because there's some people lifting more weights in a WWE than I mean most of these world strongest man competition. Do you see people are posting it's just there's a lot of cool shit. And I think it'll be nice to have these conversations with these people and characters are so over the top. Yeah, that's like you can't relate with them, but then you get him in here and you talk to them. It's awesome here Jeff Hardy go. Like I was 16 years old. Yeah, holy shit. I was gonna say not even to mention like the travel and in the show they put on that night and everything, but then they like go out during the day and do stuff the toll that takes on the mental mentally and physically like the go to Children's Hospitals. They're going to do media spots all morning is probably the last thing you want to do when you get to a new challenges a bleep when we're just chilling out here. I was like, so after this you guys could go take a nap. He's like no, I got to fucking work out. We're just gonna push through till night and then are they potentially have to go out in front of like 10,000 11,000? People put on a death-defying show and then get in a car and probably drive somewhere for tomorrow and doing do it again. Do it all over again. It's insane. That's the thing the grind man like they don't let you down either it would be easier just to fade out, you know, like halfway through your calendar just be like, I'm fucking tired dude 20, we watch those shows. It's like the there only show that month every time. Yeah. That's the coolest thing I think about the WWE is what Hardy was saying to was how he does it for the fans. That's the reason he said he felt like he was gonna let down fans and he didn't jump off a ladders, which I think it goes back to your thing too about like kind of going after the fans in Louisiana. Like that's why those people I kind of have a responsibility to like these they need the juice from the crowd to like fucking get going. We've been on the road for so long like you need that extra adrenaline to make the show better you can as an audience you can literally make the show like whatever we are at the Pittsburgh one, even the refs were starting to give and take with us, right. It's just us something. It's like just a little bit of energy I know you may not like the way the storylines are going or whatever whatever whatever but you gotta respect the guys putting on a performance in the ring in the young. Ladies. Do they do a great job. Now you have vacation time if it's don't know if that's don't question or not. Oh what like a vacation time like anytime. I don't know like they get hurt. Like Jeff Hardy was mentioned in our interview that he got a surgery and he was out for six months. Yeah, and then sometimes guys will just kind of Fade Out of the storyline and then they just come back in. So I think there is an ability to be like, hey, is there any way and then it just extend your contract? So just like your whatever time you miss just stays on the back side whenever you're active, but I'm not sure because I transfer how about mr. Cole. I've never I don't think these guys ever taken a day off. That's insane. He can't though. He's he's literally the void WWE for to be there every time he's in he's an animal that Michael Cole guy. I love just whenever I know he's dead tired and in the middle of a meeting just sending an outrageous fucking text message to her probably sit in there like this. His phone and just think this fucking idiot. I'm a big fan of with how the WWE is treated us. Yeah, I am to this is really going to be a cool fucking thing. I do they travel with trainers. That's my question to you if you were playing in the NFL. Oh you say hey, I got a thigh. Something's not right. Oh, yeah, Dave Hammer Wally. There's hey you're out this week, bro. You're not playing. Oh, yeah, you got to be medically cleared for things but they have trainers traveling and shit like they do but they have medical clearance say you're not going on in. Yes that that happens in storylines in in real life too. So obviously, They use it as a storyline thing. Like right now they're doing with Becky Lynch. It was huge lead up to that is what you're not medically cleared. So you have to sign a waiver blah blah blah, but they have it in real life too, but they can they can they can show up if they inside the medical waiver and they'll say hey, I was part of the storyline. There was a part of the in real life though. They kept Daniel Bryan up for a year and a half. They they really do and I think that's much more prevalent now obviously than it was back in the day. I'm sure an 80s or something. They just showed up and they're like, I'm not getting paid if I'm not going in there. Ring I'm doing it but guys used to hear there's legendary stories of guys drinking from literally one show to the next one and just continuing to put on the show. So those dudes there was Zero Health thought zero Health not back in the day. But now it's very much like they treat themselves. Like they're professional athletes as they should but yeah, that's because they put on the athleticism since yeah, I'm just really digging this whole relationship. I guess. He's honest. Yeah when these guys come in, I mean, I'm I become the bigot big And again, you know and I was like growing up huge that was because that's all we had. The only thing other than news on TV. He was that pretty much autonomy. So is huge and now to get me involved with it's really cool and it's all because of the personal relationship. I'm yet to see, you know, because you what you're doing. Yeah, so I think that's going to help them bring in more casual observers of this of the sport. I'm all about let's go there's a Brinks truck ran right over there right Yak it up. We got a trampoline in here yesterday, but like three four months ago. We installed the Brinks truck ramp. Yes, you guys right there at the front door. Correct? Just want the money right there in the lobby right there. Yeah, and then shovel there it is. There it is backing up back there. That's so fucking weird the green face Ito Oh, that's an interesting question. I could do both. Yeah, I think that yeah me too Zito cannot to wink with either by going on one way. You can only do one see you know, which eye is it my right eye. You're right. I put my left eye and I could do it. You have to use your whole head like that. So, you know, you kind of just have to turn your head so that we can't see your right eye and then you can just blank look at that. Yeah is an art to Winking like some people can get you can close your eye and that's technically Ariel Vince Vaughn wink is by far. It looks terrible. Yeah, whenever he eats a hot dog. Oh, yeah, you using a lot knows itoh use that's what I use it for myself. It's my natural reaction. It's a mixed bag of reviews whenever I do it. We should recreate all are like fear gifts. What you coming up out of the casket? This is why you want to do you want me to buy damn casket respond bottom. We have a trampoline. We should buy a casket. Here we go. That's what we do here. Yeah. So you guys been in my house, you know, I have that Breezeway. That's what I call those rooms. I don't know. It's the room between the regular part of the house in the garage. It's in close. That's how we go out into the backyard brother. Yeah, let my dreams Barry better term so Trying to figure out now that Gators gone. We got two extra rooms in the house. So we're trying to utilize the space as best as possible. So right now the Dilemma is what's in there right now is just my weight stuff and then so exercise stuff and then dog bowls right and coats the Hang kind of walk. Okay. So trying to decide Marny wants to move the weight equipment into one of the extra bedroom. Okay? Okay, so it's out of the way you don't see it and initially She wanted to turn it into a dog room just fault. It's all about the dogs dog beds dog things that all goes there thinking the dogs were hanging out there. Yeah. Yeah. I want to put in a bar turns job on Deck. I think it's fair to her to not let me make the decision. I think we should put it to a vote here on the show. Whatever wins which way we got its good idea. Can I throw something else out whose name is on the house mine? Okay. Have you thought about a dog bar all now we might be onto something. Okay, so we combine the two together, correct? Yep. Everyone likes bars. Everyone likes dogs that would make sense to because I otherwise I don't know where else I would put the dog bowls for them to eat. Oh now we're talking I mean stammers maybe steam room turn into a steam room. I could use this to be nice. On the shower and I fell hard is it going to steam it on the toilet? It's pretty hard specific walls, right? Yep. You got insulator. So I'll be well insulated. Yeah and bacteria. You gotta clean it a lot lot of bacteria when its moist. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah guys will be the fucking jungle. Hey my Escalade the one I bought the like it directly after the draft day. I guess that's black mold all inside. I guess it's over. Yeah, the guy showed up with like wearing a fucking hazmat suit. We brought your your black Escalade back and I was like, why do you have gloves on the mask? You took others black molding with? No, they returned it to ya here. Take this back. Well, I had it sitting somewhere and then I didn't want to make a decision because I love that thing. Yeah, I want to make it a monster truck. Yeah, they told me no because there's black mold inside of it and they said do you want us to sell it for parts? And I was like, no bring that thing back to my house. You're not going to tear her apart animal doctor brings it back guys were in a hazmat suit. Screen tells me to stay away from it. So now she's back now. She's down by the barn like literally corn T. There's some people think about one in amount of it's only a matter of time before there's fucking trees growing up through it and shut us out of four parts while back turn into a trap. Just throwing this out there. What if we shoot it with the rocket launcher that a so myself apart so we could blow it up for Content. Yeah, which is better than part of the fungi wheresoever got to do that before. Well, there's not a lot of people have Enough people have died in it and shoot it with any sort of there a lake around here. We could drive it into. Oh, yeah, you are drowning thing. I mean, it seems only right cement it forever. How about a made with a can of bleach? Why don't we strip it? Does that happen? I mean, why not you need to get rid of the black vote? Let's say I get more back in the steam room. Can you get rid of the motorbike Motors it in everything. So well doctors on the scale. Where is black mold? Pretty bad pretty bad hazmat suit right after that black plague. Yes, correct. Here's what I like the lake idea. So we stripped the VIN number off. We stripped the plates off his trip anything that could link it back to us. We dumped in the lake and then we call the police and say that we found a car and we put like cadavers in it we go and buy and buy cadavers from a local. Yeah versus the black market. We just have the cops try to figure out what the fuck happened. Yeah, maybe we throw your gun in there too. Probably maybe by Gorman's house. Oh, yeah, right Marik. What do you jump? Buddy's gorm's different lakes and control Indiana thinks you're a serial killer. Oh, I know. Mr. Banks. Was it? Yeah. Mr. Brooke. Mr. Brooks. Yeah, watch your back. Dude. You're just to just to clean not to be your Dexter. Did I don't have to tell you know me. Am I? Yeah you I don't think there's a serial killer but you are too clean though. I mean, it's unbelievable. You just you every day. I've never seen a man look more professional. I've never seen a man. Just kind of kind of Whoopty doopty through life just kind of be-bopping around favorite everything in order has ever worn a t-shirt. I wasn't offended. I just want I want that question from like Christian Dior. Yeah or Massimo or somebody enough. You want Nick Moore old Massimo Massimo should the cells at Target. I love Boston designer. Awesome. Awesome. Look at me put the kid in the room team. Can I get a Core? Can I get like have to testify we're yourself? How am I Massimo character witness for Massimo Massimo still understands the Tank top so easily. We're trying to keep up with like we're trying to improve our store to have them but Massimo tank tops used to be still are my favorite thing out there. Well, they might be on sale soon. So you might better give him a real cheap. Hey, by the way, the girls can't go back to school because they said they've been bullied. It's too bad. I would think you'd be most profound than anybody else. I love the move by it Becky but I don't care about the children. I mean, I saw like a 30 second clip of the Guam girls saying she's not even going to go to school anyways, cuz we traveling to fucking France and bullshit like that to find. How about Todd forcing his kid the drop out of college various Witnesses ladies paying for half a million to get her kids like two months of school for free. It's like not You are wasting your time in our their Gator. I did all green. Yeah, let's be honest Aunt Becky though. It's like it's funny that she lost her Fame and had to resort to that is instead of just like oh, you know we want Brad Pitt's kid here, you know what I mean? Like, you know, I didn't think so when you it's funny that she's in that realm of celebrity where she still has to do that. If you would have thought Danny Tanner could have been pulling strings for yeah, but - well, I mean in every Target and every store in America he He's not a loophole sold out. I was wondering how Aunt Becky had all that goddamn money. Yeah, Massimo money on Netflix like with a reboot was she in it. I have no idea. He was in a she gets the full Mark shows. She had like a whole fucking thing lined up with. Yeah. There you go. I pulled a couple of them this homework doesn't pay that. Well, yes. Yeah. What were they about like a hundred bucks a movie? I think it's on there all the same. So on big girl holding off. Yeah. Absolutely. It's unbelievable house has a new puppy going. How's the puppy life? New puppy is good. Lily. Lily got get her to pee. She's peeing and pooping outside. Let's go. Alright already smart. Yeah crying still though. Yeah cuz days he's being a bitch to her. This is being a mom. But you know, that's just who she is other than that life is good with puppies. Just you know, I had to cancel a couple trips because you know, when you buy something kind of throw it out of it they don't do you don't do it at the right time and you spot responsibilities what you bought you a lot more? Possibility you bought at responsibility never heard of it never heard of but no it's like it's a whole it's I'm like waking up two hours earlier to play if it before working shit. Oh, really? Oh, yeah 6:00 a.m. Alarms. The last two days. Good Dad. Yeah, it's me. Good. Dad. I bought a house drunk one time first one. It didn't have to shit inside Iraq, but that was a decision that I made drunk and I later it was Compress with me I think you don't regret it. How did you miss it all here on it did piss inside when that pipe broke was different element is the first ourselves ourselves Dubrow Brownsburg house. This is from the first rounds workhouse. Second Brownsburg house was on a golf course was on a floodplain had to get out of there. And then this third one also on a flood plain, but it's it's ridiculous. Paul was the first Brownsburg house like it was just like your standard put his vanity was a McAfee punt away from the football facility. Well, that's a good move Molly why you did it? Yeah, that was cool one block away. I was at a bar near the facility, huh? And the guy that sold me the house was at the bar and we had a couple conversations drive over there. I guess I saw the place. I liked it. Let's sign the things got the house number how that place is decorated. Great. I wanted to hang Hammock in the living room. So I had a one hook and then I guess I lost my attention and it just had one hook in the middle of my living room ceiling like people had to walk in and look at that thing and just be like yo, what the fuck is this? Yeah. I had two palm trees inside the house and the living room. It was a ridiculous operation neighbors Nick Nick love the neighborhood. Nick loved the neighborhood Nick. Nick would come party there with the neighbors and I myself have a good time there. They got a great time. They're older attractive woman lived next door. Nick guys guys. You guys are crazy. I didn't cut though. I didn't cut the grass one time like the neighbors are trying to be so nice to me. You know? Yeah, there were like, I would like park outside and go to walk in and literally I'm I think I'm a good neighbor because you will never see me or hear me. I'm going right inside you like what's let's just keep it easier as I walk in my whenever they are you want me to cut that grass for you, man, and I was like, In my head. Oh my gosh probably be an adult here, you know, and I'm like no I got he's a okay next week or so. Maybe they are. Thanks and I didn't even think about it like as an adult. I was ruining the property value of everybody in that neighborhood. My house was the first one as soon as you turn in I think look like a fucking Safari and every I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. So I had to move out of this strictly for that reason. That was awkward. Let's get uncomfortable. Everybody hated me. Everybody's building fences like didn't see me. Me as a bad scene. I saw this online today and that jog my memory here is really good question to ask. When do you actually become an adult is the question that was posed online? Okay. So let me see study. Let's say people don't become adults until they're in their 30s. I don't think I think God I don't think I am it. I think maybe when you get engaged really he hates when it happens you have a kid, whatever comes first. I don't think it just depends everything in your life can cause like I feel like Pat became adult earlier than he probably should have or would have otherwise because he was you know Fortune to not forced but he got into a career. We had a lot of money and to manage a lot of shit. Hey that can make you grow up faster. It's funny you say that because like somebody will get into something and I think about like at their age like for instance Connor screaming into a fucking microphone. I was like, all right. Let me think back to Connors age when I was Connors H, and I was my God House two cars. Yeah parents are the payroll. Uh-huh. I think I could have just not yielded. No fucking way, but it is interesting to look back on that and I think yeah, I think maturity comes from experiences, right? I totally like whut yeah, like Bailey became like an adult way earlier. He was like 12 because his parents were shitty. He had to grow up faster. I mean, it's been I think it's individual Fair body for me. I think it's I had a kid and he Choice like Well, this thing's gonna die. If I don't jump in there she like I still I still in my like in my eyes have and I've still not been as old as I've ever like seen my parents even though like my parents had me like 23, but I stay seemed a lot older than I am you feel like you're not chasing adulthood. Yes still very much. So I think I'm there. I'm close. But remember whenever we were young and we're like how when we turn 25 like that's older when we turn ya ready. That's old now. I'm like 31. Like in my am I old I feel like I'm possibly old and then you look at what 50 year olds are doing nowadays and it's like I'm nowhere near hold a lot of time. It's a lot of time. Yep, I guess when you start making like all your own payments on everything, maybe always like when you own land wouldn't be in my land. So you buy a house and buy some land. I like that. I'll tell you that is not when you become an adult you experience it idea. I was not an adult when I had that house. I mean, but you paid for it. I remember it almost got fucking shot. For clothes like the first two months I was there as I want the Europe. I thought it seems an auto-pay bro. I'm so sorry not paying the next year in advance. So feel like you're an adult when you can't just drop everything and burn all the bridges and just start a new life somewhere. Maybe that's when you become an adult. Yeah. I don't know. I guess it's different for everybody. So you don't deal feel like yet. You're an adult, you know, like but your clothes should get your thing closing in on and on the verge. I'm on the verge of a dog or me. What about you? What do you think? You became an adult moving to Atlanta Georgia? I found a place that was next to a crack house. Yeah, and I said, wow, I'm have to live here for a while. Was that like him getting close to Stadium? Like I'll be close to work. Not really. Yeah, I think we need for who you know, could you move away from home? You had to go ahead already been there was a way that I was in state and I this is completely out of state like this place looks great. It was an absolute shit hole the place the fuck am I doing second day and I'm like I had to get out of here, you know. Yeah, uh-huh and life's decisions in front of me. Yeah. Yeah. Also what we do like doesn't help qualify you as an adult really adults can make mistakes though. Oh, yeah all the time. Like, I think that is something that all when I get older I won't fuck up. Much. I just think we're different fuck up. So I think part of it too is like how much do you rely on your parents to do shit for you anymore, you know like I'm not relying on my parents at all. So I feel like that's why this sort of a full-time job. Yeah and you have a place to live they pay for yourself consider that adulthood. Oh, yeah, I think so. I mean that doesn't like there are certain aspects like, you know, doing laundry and shit like that or you just let it sit there for like fucking a month and a half but too much but yeah, I would say I'm an adult and I think like it might be a good way to define it, you know. So financially reliant on anyone else other than yourself and you manage to you keep a job you show up you're on time other people can depend on you. Once you reach that level maybe an adult. I don't know sighs - I might take a picture and then I'll tweet it out tomorrow for the podcast if I go into my trunk and I open my trunk. There's 16 Tupperware containers and I just toss them in my trunk instead of just walking them inside. Yeah, putting them in the dishwasher. There's also an entire bag of road salt or so. Rock salt that spilled in my trunk, which is not going to be you shouldn't blame the guy that stole the gun out of all these things. I stole a gun left 16 company fucking asshole. I don't I always have to throw away because it takes so long to there's fucking black hole. Not at all. I am not an adult. I don't think you are either a full-time job. There's some points that there's some parts of me that I am mature in my life and some not. I mean, it's everyone thinks you don't you Italians man gifted in the facial hair Department. Gorham's you never have any facial hair? I did you shave every day. No, I didn't shave today. I can tell almost every day. We let her off a little bit so we can see it but I had a beer going yo, you have a good beard. I hear Italian I got a great beer. Yeah. The only problem is I got a little bit of gray at 0 clear on the sides, but this all goes great. Yeah, but that looks good to you. To me. I got to look in the mirror, you know, so all this is given we have to look at you all day every day. You're getting a more hands. So just the gun Tea Party Crasher. The entire thing is great. No, it's weird. This is all this all stays my color here Hulk Hogan all this awesome. It's so cool little salt and pepper look 80 though. That's the thing. I look immediately. Look you'll easy taking the shots at Hulk Hogan. He's a good guy. He looks like he's a while. He'll come fight you I'm not fighting anybody. I just get her. I graybeard. I don't want to be known as and that's what I figured by the way Italian Club t-shirt. Now on the store. Come on join the club in the club. Join a club. If you won't join the Italian Club, if you think you got what it takes go check out 23andMe has access to the data that gives us more personal insights into who we are. 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Sure, we could find I got pictures of me with the grey bear. Do you need an update in one thing for this about a trampoline assembly required? No, it'll be something awesome numerous gifts. It'll be cool tonight some during the show. We'll sit around in circle have a nice brainstorm session on what the gift should be something awesome. Maybe they get a half drink bottle of Fiji. Let's go. I got a couple things I sigh Veer towards you on this because I I'm all I hear these stories. So I need answers. Okay, and he had on the show before so doesn't know any of them. I don't know the city but this happened and it's really just if you want to comment on any one it's open to but I thought it was great into something. I could pull off this guy in unknown City walked into Subway wearing a t-shirt that said Subway on it. Hmm, and he said I'm all over from store 46 Wow, he goes in he brings up a couple customers He makes himself a sawbuck and then opens the till grabs a $20 bill and just as like I see you guys adios and they're like, oh that's weird. That guy came in for a half a minute and you know did his thing. He left nothing happened. I mean, they didn't do anything until afterwards they say so he just used some self 24 pulling it off. Yeah, but I'm saying like I don't endorse crime but when it's done, right I applaud it though. Yeah, that's something that I I could do in this city right here with everybody in this room other than you. I think that could work I could walk in with a partner and say hey, we're from corporate. I'm here. I want to take a look at the back. I'm going to go in the back walk-in freezer. Then I'm going to come out. I think I can pull it off. I think you can definitely thank you. Yeah, definitely think I could and then I try applauding that guy for doing it and left and by the way still out there on the lam now, he's probably doing it to a store 49 right now. So that was on my mind. I had to commend. Yeah, this is the one that move but this is the one Well is go ahead is $20 a misdemeanor like that. Is he is he smart enough that he kept it under 1500 something like how do you know to open like yeah, he's probably worked there. He's gonna get slapped on the wrist. But if they catch Mark, yeah if they catch him but Subway t-shirt, he's just say I'm here you guys I'm here. I'm sore from 40. So I'm posting Fogle what if he ends up becoming a new Subway like suppose press right? Like I well I would almost in Britain like if I'm mr. Subway, I don't know Subway Dave Subway. Yeah, Dave Subway, I would be like, you know, I bring the guy in I won't have a meeting. I don't think Dave Subways looking to endorse any crime is I think very much crying. 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Now put yourself in the batch wearing the badge in the blue. Yeah. You're in a squad car your solo. Let's go behind the bed behind the bed. You're just got. Are your soul but don't pull over a suspected glad your voice? No, I think it was a the guy who did it. Yeah, it's not like the planet again. It doesn't it doesn't seem like anyone behind the bag. Audio effects on their change. Okay, so you're in the car you're so low. So let's just say I don't know if you did that or not, but you have your own squad car you pull over a speeder. Okay their combat their mother. Fuck this I shoulda done this whatever. Okay, I'll tell you what, I'll do. I'll write you down from an 82 a7000 and she doesn't say thank you, and she says Hey fu And flips him off. Wow, and then takes off with her hand with a raised middle finger out the window. Yeah, he just said enough he put the gumball machine lights on again. Boom pulled her over again ripped up that ticket gave her the ticket for $80 give your ticket for 80 speeding at 80. Yep. Okay, and she's like no I'm taking you to court That's My First Amendment right? I can say a double jeopardy saying I do what I want. Yep fast long story longer. She won the court case. Wow. Saying you can flip off the fuzz. You can tell them the fu against the law and I'm saying has that ever happened to you. And what would you do in a situation like no, but seriously someone is flipping you off middle finger up and down screaming snatcher ticket tore it up Miss wearisome had to handwriting mouth how to go back write a little golf pen pal. Yay. Doing a little golf punches. Yeah, five copies, press hard five copies. They used to say that the carbons. Yeah. It's a fucking I hated writing tickets, but I'm like, well you kind of deserve it. So I gave me taken gone. But at least I know I tell you this is the craziest fucking thing someone that does that it's done soon as they leave it's done. You never have to hear from them again. Usually it's the ones that are now thank you so much officer. They will fucking complain on you. I had this lady like easiest stuff I had gave Her a fucking warning instead of a ticket. She was a most Pleasant stop. I'd had that day files a complaint with the post because that achoo in my mouth God and I'm like holding to get out of welcome for your fucking warning lady that even get my ticket. Oh, but those are the ones that can plane is the craziest thing. It's like well known among state troopers. Like it's the nice ones that will fly. I shot some police on the corner downtown and say Patty's day. Just standing out there. How you doing boys. Hey, how you doing? But if intern I said walk by with the Bird flipped out that both of them. Hey Fuck you both. Uh-huh. They can't do anything. No, I've been also good for you since you don't drink in Indiana the way the law is written. If you've had one sip of alcohol, you can be considered publicly intoxicated really that's kind of the way the law is written so them just trying to pin something on you directly after that on st. Patrick's day after you flip them off take this breathalyzer certain. You fucking passed it with flying colors. I would like to see their brain explode this so over guy just didn't our Lord. No reason. Yeah, you're that baffles me that you can do that to law enforcement and get away with I mean First Amendment rights is like I can't believe that gay. Is that a case where you guys find something to make sure they're in a little bit deeper water that's never really know. I never really got worked up about it. I'm like fucking that you ruin their day course, they're pissed off you're gonna mean but they got a ticket so fucking if you wanted to make it a war. I won some cost you $150. I mean, so I never really got too worked up about some guys would that's ego but it's all about those. I intend to be the guys who have a chip on their shoulder without an interesting little bit. Yeah, and they like to either get picked on when their kids or something. They have a chip on the shoulder. Have you got some of them some of them not all of them some of them? We appreciate the options. Of course. Thanks for the reminder. Of course the flip them off after you pay it. This is one thing I didn't like I stop this guy one time and Soon as I got up there he flipped this weird kind of looking badge ID thing out. I mean, it wasn't like a police a real police one and I'm looking at it's a real tiny badge in the thing and I'm like, what's that and he goes, I just want to let you know I'm a honorary sheriff's deputy and Mary coming in Jack and donated to the Sheriff's camp. And I got this he went obviously thought this is going to be my with ticket when everybody was so condescending and he had I could tell he had a lot of money I did not so I'm like, okay, whatever so I go back to my car and I can I bring my buddy means ticket told him he was getting thicker gave it to him and he goes fucking irate on me and he's like, so you're telling me that this fucking badge means nothing to you, and I don't know. It means a lot like your honorary man kind of shit. See you later. Shit, like don't pull my shit. I mean I got the I got the license plate that has the sheriff's badge on it just because I thought I would stop me from getting a ticket. That's not the case. I've had a bad idea to have just don't throw it up in their face like, you know, thanks for you know, and you if you're on if you're on the edge get a ticket or not, that would put you on the nut getting a ticket skill. Is that true? What Tony's talking about because I Senior license plate I ask you about that and they say I mean whatever Urban myth or whatever is you buy one of those license plates that you're giving money towards the sheriff's department or whether I think is what I live and die by this but every car I have you guys the car say, yeah, he's cool. He's got them. He's got that said always work for me. I mean if you were going a hundred and ten your mind, right? I didn't matter but if he like helmet, you know borderline speed to be a morning. I'm 63 and 50 and I fucking they gave me a ticket on a tough ticket Tha 6352 not having enough fun. No, no. You're not going fast enough to have enough Rush there and you're just not going slow enough 9u fine 10 your mind your 13 there at stop. I know local guy or stadiums local. Oh, I always thought it was bullshit Rich caramel fucks like you should be over over 15 was my thing when I get from 10 to 50 mile an hour over you got a warning I wouldn't stop you if you were under 10 10 to 15. You got a warning if you're over 15, you probably got that's I think that's a pretty good rule of thumb. Yeah. I thought not a bad look. All right, you retired I just got one little cherry on top. Yep. It just reminded me. I was going to a Colts function working for the Colts living out west and I'm hauling ass down Rockville Road. Okay, 20 miles over easily and I get towards the city. I go and towards downtown to try I'm buzzing saw this guy boom gumball machine in my rearview mirror didn't see him anywhere. I'm like fuck I am late to this thing and I ain't gonna I get out of The car what? Oh boy, that's not a good. Thank you. How do you reach in your pocket? No, no, I get out of the car and I was going oh, my you know, sorry I was that guy. You know, you're gonna be like the grandma grandpa thinking few said I'm so sorry about I got out of the vehicle. I look at him. He draws his gun is pointed down and looks like on your fucking knees and I'm wearing a jacket stuff like this and I'm like, what are you doing out of the car? And I'm like just to talk to you just to talk to you because I get it. Get up you dumbass on its head and he goes and I said, hey, I'm late for a breakfast lunch and down or a breakfast function downtown at a hotel. I'm trying to make up time totally. Mm. Right or your right eye was speeding. I like that. He's like don't ever and he was mad at me. Don't you ever get out of the fucking car? I didn't care about the ticket. He goes, I'm gonna give you a warning no ticket today. Stay the fuck in the car turns around and walks back and I am like yes or no, sir. Yes or no sir the whole time thing. Yeah, you're enjoying the face paying right guys. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like I'll go outside. Did it leave? I don't think so. I usually like in school. It would be cool to have these on your eyes. He's closer and I still do face painting in school on her sixth grade and under though, right? Yes. I'm saying let's bring up sixth grade above. Hey, no fair when I saw Fair the zoo, but I put a little more focus on the face painting in the world today, you know, you don't see anybody in middle school or high school doing anyway, I think you get arrested if you show up to school with your face. Yeah you do but if you add The little artistic features to it and make it kind of an Arts as mr. Hardy did and as Ito has today, maybe there's my girls can wear makeup everyday. Why can't we were faced? Thank you when that shit dries though. It is so much and I can't move your face at all like your pores though. I'd be miserable to sit in school all day with that. Allow. He's still doing your good look though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah our skin feel that's good. It's good good peanut. He also had the nice paint. It's very which makes a difference and I don't think yeah, Jeff Hardy's pink, right? It's personal. Our shitty ass paint. Yeah is permanently I can't get it. Yeah that none of us can do you can twist it in my beard man. You think it would ever be a thing in the future where that just becomes like a cool thing to do is just walk around. Yeah. So anyway apart every Friday because certain face on the side of your face. I think ICP ruin that forever. Yeah. It's like Hunger Games, right? It's a futuristic thing and then like the upper class people. They have their faces painted white have crazy hair style. Yes. Crazy colors. Yeah, could that do you mean like the wigs like George Washington like a reverse wig? So it's like more futuristic and crazy and pink. Yeah, but by what you have seen, what if it became a thing, I think we just we can see something stop it. You don't have to I don't like Kevin stuff on my face now. Yeah, it was like I was looking at houses. I'm going to put that on my face. I don't know why but it just bothers me. Yeah, I can feel it. Nobody likes it because it dries up and it feels fucking her. I know after like Kiss. Yeah, I think every performance and it wouldn't exist a few years because you're under the hot light is wedding. How many days do they performed like in their in their Heyday? They probably hit a gig but some are granite or you think once a month they perform like in their Heyday don't they know? They're well, I don't know just everything usually isn't it. Usually you want to or for like three months and doing like every weekend pretty much shows also their hidden once a week for like three months and then take the rest of our gentle. I don't know that they're hit. It once a week, I think they're doing right now. I think they're doing back in the day. They're doing midweek shows. And then of course the blowouts are Thursday Friday Saturday, right, you know, maybe a Tuesday night in there. That's like the big acts will go hard on the weekend and a one show in Monday through Friday typed or so, they'll do layers three or four shows a week, right? Yeah for three months. Yeah, but these guys have been doing it literally 50. Yeah freaking years. I'm surprised they all don't have skin problems. That's a very good point there while using Jeff Hardy paint. Yep, good makeup and might like Skin regimen they probably have yeah probably had people come to a cleanse or something to let after work after the show's you'd have to they're probably using the shit was that one that a proactive they're probably yeah, perhaps a jet guaranteed Chantix. What's up with you gator anything new? Not the tie. What's up with you? So Mike Trout today signed a 12-year deal for 430 million dollars. 12 year extension who's got I mean like that's just fucking absurd. How can I say how can a team of Ford to pay a guy 430 million dollars over the next 12 years. And is anyone else in any sport going to Eclipse that I was thinking about this more and more. I feel like California teams have to pay that much to account for the taxes, right? Because the taxes take away so much of it off. You might have just become an adult. Yeah County for taxi out of your - seriously though. I California sports teams have to do that especially after hearing about the you know million dollar bonus after you expect to get that full check. I mean, he's going to get how much of that 430 million of tax dollars in losses least half half. Yeah. Absolutely at least before he buys anything. That's the highest tax bracket right like 50% right around there. I think it's 52 52 52 is the highest it was that for me 47 and it got bumped up to 52. Yeah somewhere. They're right. Yeah, so I got a quick lesson whenever I got a million dollar signing bonus. Yes. It was awesome. What about meant a million dollar check to showed up at that house. Can't wait to open this million dollars Patrick might feel wow. This is fucking beautiful. Thank you Jim. Irsay. You're the man and I look to the right and it's just Uncle Sam taking away. Here's four hundred thousand dollars to the federal government. Okay, here's here's $68,000 to Marion County all very nice. We'll fix them streets. I'll be good. Here's one to the state of Indiana and it's just like holy shit. That was the only economics class I've ever taken in my entire life. I was looking at that fucking sexy. So if your Trotter you more pissed that you're losing that much money or do not give a fuck because you're making that much money fuck don't have to move. He stayed in the same city in comparison, Messi and Ronaldo both make 35 million a year. So making those three are probably the highest paid athletes who makes what are your that's before sponsored beforethe of those great, but tax charges, too. - yeah exactly those fuckers don't what's trash is making here is a 92 or 80 million a year or is it a hundred something Stearns at a hundred something a year right hundred a hundred mil. I don't yeah. I don't know if he has any more but judge dude, he's got to be close to a hundred million a year right till still. Yeah, so I'm not upset with Mike Trout at all. I'll go get it while you can if you didn't know no, he's worth every penny of it shrink what that's what people don't think about is like what they do for the cities and states. That they're in you need people that make that much money. First of all to make the economy work because those are the people that spend a lot of money they buy cars, you know, I mean, they feed the economy. I agree. They start businesses. Yes like that that way people like I would be nice if we had to order million dollars just to start a company the amount of people we employ the things like that that is true people that make money. Yes, because those people offer other opportunities other people absolutely sure as ever see Umbrella Academy. Yes, I did you watch it. I did is it good? I don't want to see it. It's kind of slow but it didn't stay with me never have bet in my entire life that you would watched it. I watched it the fucking super it's super hero Luther with a big guy looks like Elias. Yeah, I seen it but that guy very rich billionaire Solitude locked himself in his big ass house crash out this weekend a couple weekends ago. I reference Umbrella Academy last week. Nobody said anything. I felt pretty good about myself. I think I knocked it out this weekend. So I would have known I see because I think Connor knew what it was. My brother can't be a recommended by the way. Yeah, I like the story. I mean it's what's-her-name, it's June. Oh, yeah, I'll Engage The Girl is yeah don't become a different movie. It's on Netflix. That kind of billionaire goes into Solitude. I think it happens. By the way, whenever you get up there with a lot of most you need for. Yeah Howard Hughes mega. Yacht don't feel like a hundred million or so 50 million for that's Arthur Blank That's not fucked up. I just need a little help. Those are the guys though that just continue to make So much money and never stop working. Yeah, and I'm intrigued by those you their money's making money. Yeah, they're they're yeah, they're into the game. I think more so than they are the proceeds, you know, it's like always the that winning the constant winning like the stock market guys and people like that their decision to there are almost like addicted gamblers are going to get over on. Yeah on the game Elon Musk. Yeah. What's what's his face is name of the guy that are laundered all the cash. They made off the desk and watch some shit on Madoff on Netflix, I think. That guy had like I think Royal Family's investing with him royal families. I think he had entire government's investing with them and it was all just a shell game, but he had billions impressive. He had like five people in my government. I'm pretty sure it's going to him asking him for advice. Yes counsel to have fucking F whatever it is reserved in the back of your pocket. You got that thing that caught that little chip that says these guys are going to find out one fucking day. And this thing is crumbling. It's not a matter of if it's a matter. A matter of when and he's doing all those deals and taking this mound of money putting in this amount of money and then tell him straight to their face. I got you back in car. Yeah just at any given moment that thing can just Falk even they tried to get him one time. They did an entire audit of his shit in the people that were doing the audit. I think we're working with him. So they're like everything's good. Don't worry about it. We're all getting our money back. Yeah, and it all came crashing. There's a really good movie on HBO or De Niro plays Bernie Madoff is good. Really? Yeah. It's like right after. Like the his fall, it's awesome. Was it wasn't me? But did he dress up like Joe Paterno just a couple months ago. Didn't we see him walking Tina now, it's between oh, yeah, you get it say is that if we're coming, huh? Now it already there. Yeah we talked about it. Was that what was that? Yeah, the Irish to do Irish Island, the stilettos stiletto shoes. Yeah that's coming out near Old platform shoes ones that coming out probably like stepped out. It was supposed to be September, but I saw that it didn't get into some Film Festival. So maybe like November it is not course. Stacy can't get into a frog don't pass defense not done. That's again because we weren't allowed in the front. Right? Exactly. No, it's just not done yet. That's my safe. Me and Scorsese both can't get into a film Todd. I was just having this is open to the room The Hardy Boys here today. I was looking around and I was thinking to myself, you know, who would I tag team up with out of the Heartland crew. Holy am I and you know, I'll start I don don. While we were sitting here today it have to be typed because he would he would die up there. I think he had to I could you know, pick up his flail dead body and use it to my advantage. Yeah, I think that's what I would need in a partner. Yeah, I agree. I think I would go down and I'll put it all out there. This is about as simple as that. What was your quote before? You jumped off? The ladder said hey, if I snap my neck just throw my body in the dumpster out back commitment to do anything. What did they say? I got an easy answer and it would be Pat because he would do all the work and do all the talking and I would just be like I'd be like back an old wrestling the girl who came out with the Superstar and I just stood on the side of the Ring. Cheers you on the valet have some legs while you can't yeah, you're Paul Heyman, but don't talk. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. I got it. Yeah, it's kind of sweet. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just Luchador, you know set the bar low low. Shins and then you really just have to do like an average job and come through and everyone thinks you're right. Yeah, he would start talking like Otis as soon as he got there. Oh, yeah a mixture between Otis and Vader in a Luchador. Yeah number combination. Not a bad Superstar their CO2 goes pad that whenever he would like reach in the tag of no. No. No, you know what? I'm good on this side. I'm here to motivate you around screams shit pretty good in the shrimp felt pretty good in that trampoline today. Don't pretty good Bond. It's around this might be something for people at home to listen to answer. I automatically assume that every human that has ever in digs with me on this one Diggs and I go yeah, I'm same street by the way, so big big hill between me because we lived on Hills. That's probably why yeah. Yeah. Yeah flip up the hill. I assume everybody got on trampoline knew how to do a backflip. Not a front-flip. I think the front flip is harder than the backflip but everybody in the office is like no no front-flip always front-flip. You don't see your landing on the front flip on the trampoline and I Foxy literally got whiplash from trying to do a front flip on the trampoline know your feet are at you know, you just gotta know you just gotta be one with your body and know your feet are going to land where they need lent. I've never been good like in a diving board like one out of ten times. I can get all the way around. I don't know what it is if I just wanted to tell ya it's like you're golden. What do you do? If you don't get around he just I just got it's like a three-quarter Landing, you know, like I know there's something in my head about the act that Movement that is it gets in my head halfway through I don't get that's how I feel about backflips. Like I know my body is physically capable of doing it, but my mind won't let it happen. I just have this fear of landing on my head and snapping my neck right bails out every time. Yeah well in like you said with the drown mean I almost get like that when I try to do backflips, like I get like motion sickness as opposed to like front flips. It's right. Hey, that's also you know, you become an adult. Yeah, if you need Dramamine to jump on a trampoline probably about that. Yeah, probably about time and very quickly in the 30 seconds that I was doing and I don't ever remember. That it's a great workout. Great. I wasn't doing it there for a while for cardio you because your brain bounces around when you're jumping so it's just like, you know, it's just like you're in turbulence for the entire time. Yeah, and you're getting tired. Uh-huh Draven. It's an impressive thing though. I watch divers like and how easily they fucking nail for four and a half. That's like how in the fuck do you do that? Tuck them nice my own bothering them tucked in nice. I bet, you know, I watch the sink. - who's with was anybody here with me whenever I went to the diving the diving competition to send somebody to the Olympics. No, I remember you going but I was like, thank you. I yeah and IUPUI, I was like the honorary starter so they gave me a microphone at the top one. Yeah, Jesus the tie the platform five up top there. Yeah, and this was Olympic qualifying. So like there's a lot of diving here in Indiana. I don't know Team USA I think is based out of that. He'll I hear it for the diving team. Nationals down there all the time. Yeah, they had the Olympic qualifying and they gave me a microphone there like our thinking to do the announcement from the top thing and you get up there and boy it is very high. What is it a very high meters 30 meters something like that. I care about. Yeah, I think we should go quick go we do it. So it was an interesting thing. I had to leave I couldn't stick around for the whole thing. I'd come back at the end and give the person like their Olympic do nothing because you're not allowed to talk. It's like golf but very strict and then they blow a whistle when everybody has to shut up. And it's when the person is climbing up to the top and then you just sit there and complete silence for however long they do the bounce thing and then a flip Splash and then there's people cheering for their people and other people not cheering for their people, but they can't hear you because they're underwater. So then another cheer comes whenever they hit the fucking the surface. Yeah another chair and then a whistle blows and then you got to shut up because there's somebody else up there. It was fucking tiring. I couldn't I didn't know who to cheer for wouldn't you be able to cheer it would be more impressive if they were able to pull those dives off in that type of atmosphere it is So if Y no, no, no doubt that it's not impressive already. Well, I'd imagine though the focus is Paramount in that like you somebody hits that fucking air horn halfway through you'll see Plumbing come out of your slide. And but if you wanted to come the diver fire up the crowd. Oh, yeah job by the way climbing the ladder. We'll look at you giving the idea to the next United States time and that's all went over to the Olympics. Let's go go over wears an excellent pizza have no idea right question are postponed in Beijing or there's only a couple Bulldog in rayong Chang. Yeah, what's that would be winner there South Korea? I'm on it. I'm on it. I got the Google machine. Would you really do a jump off the high dive? Would you try to do a flip hat off their Tokyo's first time. I'm going to Tokyo first time. I'm going pencil. Yeah first time I'm doing pencil. I'm not a it's in Tokyo Tokyo 2020. Oh my God. That's a like a super polite Society over there to imagine an American diver staying on top of that that let's fucking. Let's fucking go back in the you. In 2028. Oh, I can't wait La I would do pencil first. Oh, yeah, then once I did it one time, oh not as bad as I thought I'm gonna go up there and probably do double back or something. Yeah, but I remember I had the hole in my eardrum. Yep for a long time. So I didn't jump that particular evening, but I would have I would have made a right out of college. I lived in a house. That was all right on the river and we had a fuck. What are those called here would appear right outside the house we would jump off that thing every fucking weekend. So what have one of my favorite things jumping off things in the water? Appears on fits good time Gators the Gators my favorite move by far. It's where you run into a back flip. Oh, that's a Gainer. Oh, yeah. I thought you said Gator amazing. No Gainer. I wouldn't like going into water. I can't see you know, what's underneath? Oh, no, you couldn't see dick. Yeah, that would be scary to me because well there's a new opportunity in there. That wasn't the night dark from the now from the 30 metre platform. I kind of want to that's what you do it buddy drunk tonight. Yeah, you do it at night always do the peer jumping was always at night because I don't think Eagle no, I don't know he did it for today a lot. But we did a drunk at night a lot to the only time I ever did the pier jumping and that same body infested water just dead bodies because I would never do that again never we're only got night because it was against the law so you can't see if you're doing it at night obviously used to sneak into our wave pool to and jump off the wall back side there now evil people. Yeah. Fuck the wave pool. Oh, yeah. You never wait. You don't know, you know, I know what a massive. Had a massive wave pool and next year house. Not next. I also was in Boise Park which is a statement piece. There'd be a big siren that go off in the waves are coming. Yeah, but the thing at night is because it's dark and you can't see the water. So you just would have to jump and just trust the water was there. Yeah, it was nothing. Yeah, because maybe they empty that pool. You would have no idea. We had the Fairlane rack and it's a been made little Lake right off the State by the way, so you just hear the traffic. I mean, you're right there off the interstate and there was a little like mobile home park connected to it where the vagrants pull out the cabins like a live there, but it was it was disgusting but we loved it. Yeah. I had a high dive out in the middle of the Watershed is swim out there. Oh, so in order to be certain age or before they would let you swim out there, but it was pretty hot pretty high. I remember my big moment. First time it is a ham and eggs ever do the ham and egg know so you you're on that and then you jump up you get a good bounce jump up you land on your ass on the diving board off into a dive. Oh you didn't there was a question. Somebody asked in the bar the other day, you know, Nick brought it up at the pub the other day. Oh, yeah, so I saw this girl st. Patty's Day. He pulled a bag of pretzel sticks out of her purse smart and I was thinking I was like if it were socially acceptable for men all of us to carry purses are hey 2019, what would you keep in your purse? Mmm. I'll go. Okay. I have Chapstick Tom's Xanex portable charger. Nice my LifeStraw a knife. Okay, my vitamin vape pen. Hmm. That's it. It sounds like a regular. The person it yeah, so my tampons, I mean cell phone wallet keys is General. I mean it would be nice to have first I think fanny pack. I think that's why our fanny pack is your right bring it back and got my fanny-pack. I like it. I want a big one though. So I were to carry a lot of shit. If I could I would keep a gun in their Leatherman Tool office tool, you know, the thing of folds out but if yeah, but it's got a screwdriver. It's got all this stuff. Yeah. We need it and then peanut M&Ms Jus got snacks Chinese throwing stars a bottle of water and assortment of gums. No, that's smart deodorant your bathroom attendant dog treats treats treats are cases here friendly dog, or whatever beef jerky for me. I feel so good when I have this weird usually don't carry but I have it. Are you a good fucking feeling I've never that guy. I was never the people asked all the time. If any I asked literally every single day if anyone an extra pen or some gum in school, I always wanted to be the person with a pen or gum never was how good do you think they felt whenever they handed handed us like a mechanical pet thing. I really don't know. I don't know. I think they got mad. Yeah the people who carried all the Uncle pencils they do not they never be handing those out that is are counting them every night before I Hannah you have to hand it back on. No, I always come back. What am I gonna do ask again in second period yeah, that's my pencil for the rest of the day if I have it again the next day. Maybe I'll give it back. Oh see I would always do it and then hand it back and say thank you guy. Well, yeah, I think it's we want to keep them on our side. Yeah, how you gonna get that pen tomorrow? Yeah. Sure. You might need the money. You asked a friend. You don't ask a stranger. I would definitely I give a pen and a lighter and the same instance. You know, I don't smoke but I know a lot of people do and it's gonna make their time a lot better if I have a lighter to give I might keep a pack of cigarettes in my purse just because in the off chance someone asks you for a cigarette and you have a cigarette you just made that there you go. Like someone takes me outside the office the other day and I felt really bad that I didn't have a cigarette like having wet wipes in there would be huge. Nice one hitter. Maybe I was thinking a rotisserie chicken from Boston, but you never know give him a lie, wasn't it? I know what that's for. It's not for him by. Yeah, I keep just an empty Ziploc bag in there just in case I ever need to take some food or some also to go. Yeah, and they don't have to go back to something. Yeah, or it's just not acceptable to ask for a to-go. I was even thinking maybe like a small flask of Listerine. You know what I'm saying? Poor man actually does do that. He turned to backpack. That's Anna's really well at all times. You never out of it time never out of him. Don't lie. You have it for you. I'm mature. Okay, that's not why you told me you said that the Habit started when you're on set because everyone always well I said I said I said that to you because we were going to do something on the film something I said, hey little trick of the trade. Once you give yourself a wash out of this before you go do a scene with an acting part. Yes, he does because whenever you're speaking directly in my face in their faith and trust me, there's people around here with some shit ass breath. He wasn't talking to green face. He's talking his eat face, but that's a reason is I think we covered it. Also good Move Ya self. Yeah. Well, what are you keep it in your purse? You keep me apprised. I guess I'm keeping mouthwash and I'm good idea to read. Oh maybe lots of socks bro. Just put some socks in. There may be some Armand Hammer some foot. Old some face paint. Oh, never know. Hey, Jeff Hardy was he drew an impressive face on your face like you baby powder. I never use it people do though people understand a lot when you played sports but not so much anymore. But you know, it's a quick cure for what he just keeps it right on the chelation. Yeah good thing to have maybe a bottle of water some lotion. I would if I had a never-ending never-ending supply of cold water. Yes'm I would do that forever. For letting a person has a cooling mechanism in it. Oh, here we go. Keep it cold. Oh, yeah a seat warmer, but do you have a home? Well, I'm just saying like if it's cold. Yeah just opposite. Yeah, why don't we have a seat coolers in cars? I don't mind us. They'd probably do too by the way. I used to have a backpack for beer that had a ice. Slot down about a half a half of it. Yeah half a pipe through and I had to go pick something up and I forgot she was like that and then she's dumped out directly on the living room. Tuck my shoelace in it just came flying. None of it hit my head waterfalls not it acts to leave offense. But I know these people I think we're looking for a reason to kick me out of here and I gave him one minute. They were like, come on. I was like I'm out that's on me. I only got kicked out one time and it was like, I apparently I was peeing in his basement like right in the middle there like digs your girl doing - I was like no no, no, it's fine. He told me it was okay and they went and got them and it wasn't, okay. My buddy had a basement with a little drain. There we go. This is carpeted. This wasn't the classic cross the garage straight. I mean, I would not have felt that this was carpeted. It's been a fun episode. Thanks for listening everybody. Make sure you get your bracket submitted. Hashtag McAfee. For-4 mnf you might have a chance to win something. Awesome. There. It is something awesome, but I'll tell you what, I don't know how many people have taken Texas Tech to the final four. You got to get in with that my brand good team. Yeah, you never know if I filled out the bracket yet know, how do I do? What do I got to do it on the site? Yeah. I sent you an Evite. So it's ready to go. Yep, everybody's fighting fighting for silver soon. As I figure this thing out. Will ya those doc? He's fucking tips exciting. Like he was really confident in the words. He was saying he was very very Yale. You know, what was weird about I was thinking about it because I wanted to listen to what he said memory. First of all he came in he goes, I don't know shit from Shinola about anything about this. Yeah, and then you ask about specific team say well, let me tell you about this sophomore. He'll content. Yeah, he's a heel commentator. He's your melodia. Yeah, every once in a while. He's gonna suck you in and you know, he's gonna do he's gonna put on the she said get out of here. Take it easy with talk to you Friday. Was that green faces eat or actual fission 11 Green those little evil. He's my evil side both sides. Old MacDonald like always

On today’s show, the guys discuss The Hardy Boys coming to the office and buying a trampoline for the occasion. They cover the death defying stunts they did off ladders onto the trampoline, Jeff Hardy teaching everyone how to paint their faces, and the setup process that it required. Pat also discusses a couple of his previous houses and the different things that forced him to move to different locations. They also chat about what age you become an adult, what the guys would keep in their purses if it were socially acceptable for men to carry them around, they chat about the NCAA tournament and the PMI bracket challenge on ESPN (#McAfeeForMNF), a man going into a Subway and acting like he worked for another store in order to make himself a sandwich and shorten the cash register and Gorms wonders if he could pull the same stunt. They also dive into whether or not you can get in hot water for flipping off a cop after receiving a ticket, at what age do you become an adult, and debate who the best tag team partner in the office would be. It’s a fun episode, come and have a good time with us. This episode features @toddmccomas, @PatMcAfeeShow, @Digz, @nickmaraldo, @tyschmit, @BostonConnr, @HeyGorman, @VivalaZito, and @baileymccomas and closes with a heater from Kid Cudi.

We know what you're lacking about 2 minutes and 50 seconds. Fitness Nation ready for some orange therapy. Welcome to week 10. My name is Christian leave your and I'm joined by re-entry a what's up guys? What happened sighs? I got him a little warmed up for you today people because we're they were on Tick-Tock. So if you're not familiar with Tick-Tock, I had to have my wife actually take it away from me for a day because me, and my kids were just stuck on it forever. Deep dive in Tick-Tock. If you get a chance go in there and just search for kids tripping up their parents. They just got educated Becky Masters few housekeeping notes. So we're dropping interviews from the back half of the show and will release them as separate episodes. So the good news is you're going to get orange therapy more often. We're going to basically make it like 30 to 40 minute episodes on Sundays and then we'll have an interview separately throughout the week as we get them have some really good ones coming up. Yep. See Breezy fit, right? That's the next one. Yeah, and then a little tease for a famous orange theory in at the end of the month, but I don't really like T's. Yes, you do. Well, you're gonna have to wait whatever. Somebody doesn't like you should do it all day. I mean, I'm just saying anyway when we started the show all of nine. The go. Can you believe we're in 10/10? Wow, the ends I would cut about that. You don't get to hear what I said. We're on two hands all the way. Just how tray likes it. Oh, yeah educated me before something like that. When we started Nine episodes ago, we've cut about 50% of the content just to get down to 30 minutes or concept and we've gotten so comfortable comfortable with each other that I'm hardly cutting ten. To 15% like last week's episode is 50 minutes before we got into the interview. There's just too much good stuff to cut. So in an effort to keep more of the content, that's why we're splitting up assets and I think some of y'all been whispering the it's been too long anyway, so whatever speaking of whatever on the soundcheck guys, I've given up. So everyone who hates the sound can go to hell. Yeah. I'm just kidding. I'll be Totes obvi the the feedback from The Sound has been all over the place even this morning. I got another piece of feedback at said Christian the sound was great before don't change it. I've had a few telling me that it was better most have said that they liked it and then of course, I'm sure there's a ton of people who don't say anything. So I'm going to go right back to where it is. And I'm going to treat it like the female orgasm which is 10 seconds 10 seconds. Damn. No, that doesn't work. It's not funny guys. You know what? We all work on this comedic timing not everything is about yours or goes here. So p 3 minutes. Yeah, like I get it. He didn't hear us last week what I was getting at. I didn't hear it. I would take the lead enjoying myself and it is Elusive and everyone's ideal for the female orgasm is all over the place and I can't control this shit. Well I'm going to do with that the way I deal with it, which is if it doesn't work out then I won't take it personally. But you can because this shit is bad ass. So even the podcast. Okay, that's right, really any thoughts on the sound he found out right? Yeah, like while we're at it. I mean we have headphones on and everything. You sound all right to me. I don't have anything to say I agree. Good. I'm glad we're through that if you want to reach the show and tell me the backup like back up just a touch. Yeah, when you say when we like to go swimming you want to treat it like your singing. So when you're singing if you're going to like really if you go to Project, yeah, you want to go back from the Mike not into the mic. It's almost like when you need me to take care of business, you don't go all the way in first you go back and in okay, let's move on. I don't do that anymore. If you want to reach the show and told me to f off or it's all re-entry how much you love them. It's triple five Triple Eight, please if you want to hit up how to hit go on. The grammar is crushing it. It's orange underscore therapy. Also what we're talking about really and her boobs. This episode is still sponsored by she fit for all I'm wearing one right now. Yes. Yes she is and if you use orange 10 as your code, you'll get 10% off at she fit.com real. I wasn't going to get into this but do you want to share what you did at the studio? Oh well over the weekend some of the girls in the class. They were like, oh girls who were in your in my orange theory class. Oh and now you're passing some of the most of them are my pasta salad very comfortable with them and what we were in the middle of the floor and we normally don't have time in between classes and over the weekend. We need to especially You're in the early class and you get an extra like 15 minutes before the next class comes in. So we just sort of hang out and chat and I had my my Sheaf it adjusted pretty tight because I had been running and so I was I was going to just free the girls let them breathe a little and so I just sort of took them down which you could do really easily from like because the straps are just really adjustable of friends. And so I did that like kind of unconsciously in the girls were like, oh Oh, you have your sheets it on and I was like, yeah, this is it I'm and so they are like, how is it like I'm interested to see it and I was like, oh, so I just pulled down my shirt and then I pulled up my shirt in the middle of the floor and I unzip the bra and everything. So this time I'm showing up last 13 or 14 and I said I found this secret tape like a put in the VCR. I'm going to leave it at that. So boys, I delivered a pizza to the studio. Discover that you don't like girls. I like I just got a nice Lisa. She would like what the discovered I like that I like boobs. I do like em, so you would so the point of all this is to go to shifa.com and from Poland as if you don't stay around and stretch after now you have a reason what's wrong with Jenna mately do wear them all the time. That is true. Mmm. So now I'm going to stay around after class every day. Yeah. Well, it's wear stripper that's right. Now just I'm actually I showered I chose to put it back on. Trey you have a hole in your craw. I have a hole in my crotch. It's right to escape. I need to free the Beast. What is your name? I actually have a hug my nephew's they're there to explain what's going on right now. Well, you haven't where I can't see I realize I had some additional are sleeping through my pants. So I looked down. I like her. Oh my God, that's a big hole there and Yeah, I might be talking with his plans or not know I could use some tips Batum. You're masturbating. I know Mia I can to masticate what's chill. That is correct. I'm so glad you know your English masticate the famous. So what's happening Larry listener feedback don't know what everybody's entertained out there. There's a lot of long commutes in our audience our audience size. Everybody is up to 290 for subscribers if you could help us get the Under by telling your friends that would be badass just to give you an idea of how strong you are doing. Most podcasts don't get past 50 subscribers or 200 downloads and total real how many how many downloads that we have? We're almost at 2400. Yeah, so y'all are kicking ass. I'm a nerd and I watch analytics like all the time. Well, I just drew. Someone finally slid into my DM. Oh, yeah. Oh, I remember. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. I don't know the story Courtney from Phoenix. Since Trey doesn't like to let him describe it. I'm gonna let you know what really describe it. Well, you know the Old Slip and Slide. Oh, yeah. This is a makeshift the redneck slip and slide, which is probably a good You better lock the trash bags or like a tarp and you put some some Crisco Dawn and a hose and then this guy is sliding in his tighty blackie blackie and probably like my pant about to split open they have skid marks for sure that's why he wears black and he's he's Sliding across the slip and slide. I'm like George Costanza in his garden seductions. That's right. Oh, so Courtney and Phoenix. I appreciate your humor if anybody else wants to say a little bit more. Are you going to try and catch up with Courtney Courtney? I will be in Phoenix. So let me know what Jim you go to so that I can go there to should totally do that. Yeah, I would do. It's time for the iTunes narration review Foghorn Leghorn says you were supposed to do a black man's voice last week. And you did Foghorn Leghorn when I found was be angry white man. And then it turned out to be like, oh, you're supposed to be a black guy you turned into an angry one minor correction is that if it said it said that y'all are a bunch of power Towers, but I think that was autocorrect and we read it as Towers were power rowers. I didn't catch Foghorn Leghorn. Can you read our iTunes review? Okay, wait, I'm supposed to be a black guy, right? Yeah, but myself okay hilariously funny. No who's this from but I'm trying to read Christian beat that person in class you would like I'm bleeding. Tucker 8 8 definitely a really fun show the cover a lot of view under East binary made up words, they cover a lot of the funny stuff that happened around on Stirrup witness. I have been bring Beijing episodes. I can't see that question. I'm getting old. I had been binging episode since I discovered a podcast and I cannot wait for more. Should I read this in a porn star for? Yeah, let's let's do that. Tucker 88 definitely a really fun show they cover a lot of the funny stuff that happens around Orangetheory Fitness. I have been going episodes. I have been binging episodes binging. Since I discovered this podcast and I cannot wait for more. Oh, neither can may we point a second next week? We're gonna have a Penthouse Letters segment. Andrea's going to read just for your enjoyment really sounds like if you if you And I will pay for it. What's my venmo? Oh my God. I am done such last week. You talked about 9/11 this week. We're going to talk about a soldier at Orangetheory Fitness. So he does Soldier the company water rower that makes the water hours at Orangetheory. They actually modify this one for a one-armed Army veteran who actually lives close to Birmingham in a place called Hoover, Alabama. Anyway, this is him on the cover of men's health. Yeah. Yes and work. Well who will have the link for you guys one arm and On one leg by the way. Mmm, and so basically what he does is he does the row at Orangetheory on a modified rower. I guess. Nobody takes his Roar card. He probably has it. Looks like it's like it's go backwards. It looks like it's luxury this Parable. Yeah, it's just at the bar here. Okay the bar. I did see on the news that water rower. They were celebrating like American run companies is couple months ago, but Rod water rower is like a hundred percent made in the USA. A company and so I mean I think it's pretty fitting that they support the troops and that way that's awesome because good in there. We should play both know that stain and trends. About two minutes and 50 seconds. It's when people give you the middle finger. I have the ultimate response. What's that? I'm not that good. You ready? I'm not that bored. And you're not that lucky and then when you do it, you have to go. You can't sit with us? Warren Rhode Island is where water roller is nice. Well, yeah, I was gonna ask you what you guys thought of that little one arm one leg because I think you know people have all sorts of issues that they deal with whether it's like injury so like right now nursing my poor knee and you modify and you make things, you know as you can but going in like it's hard enough to go in looking as like as you guys do right. But to go in and have confidence to do the whole thing. Like we kind of joke about. Oh, I hope we don't fall off the rower fall off whatever like imagine doing that with one leg and one arm right? It's nuts. But you know what it is. He's a reminder that it is human but us to always fight. And like persevere. Yes, and I think that is the beauty of being of the human race it never quits. Yeah. Well, he's badass and look at his body. Yes. It's never quitting. I have a comment on straight white male Prejudice again. God, so let's get back into my hard life so difficult. So Noel marks took this picture. And so I tried to request access. I got a copy of it and she won't accept my damn request so Kids see the one-armed man were not one leg Man's picture. Well, why don't you just say I hate you straight white girl, don't you just send Noel to either tray or meat and then we'll get it for you. We got you we got you boo. That's no it is called confident. So I would I want E30 is around the corner and then I can speak once more they treat you and I would I would I am her DM her and be like, hey girl. Hey. Give me a lunch anything. You are a bad bad person. That's that's what that's how it happened. When you say only those are so accurate. It makes me want to be gay because I'm like, oh wait that is really what they're thinking. Yeah, even the woman we interviewed hasn't accepted. Yeah, that's the ground yet. What's her name? She's adorable. I didn't say she wasn't adorable. Instagram is amazing. It is amazing. She tried some more or yeah. I'm so glad we have that probably. Can you just after we post your interview can just accept me for like a couple hours give me some proof and then you can reject me and block me and firms don't give your subjective. But the question is what do you look like that? You know, I look at your Instagram, but it's the picture on Instagram. I can't remember if I look so badass. Let me look. This is the same picture and everything. Oh, it's the one that's on LinkedIn and everything. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the problem MS2 professional. What do you want? I like that. It's very, you know, what pictures professional you know, where y'all tell you what audience if you have a look at my Instagram profile at clo UV I also have been Mo account. Well, tell me what you want me to be on that picture and I'll change his story to and will vote Yes. Yeah. Just tell me just give us Some ideas on crush and this is what you should look like and don't send any fat guy adjusts. So we saw saw this in the orange theory memes group. So already helped bracket is going to nine Studios and nine states and only seven days and he says say hi. If you're in class with me, he's driving from Raleigh to Dallas for the Dolphins game. He's been 286 OTF sand. Wow, 28 a half space crazy. The half is DC by the way, we should going to be him. So Trey really Question for you is I guess we can interview them. But my question is should we do this and what's the most that it was? Sorry. What's the least that it would take for us to get paid to where you would quit your job so we could just go visit Orangetheory. Well Christine. I'm going to give you another hint of our future interviewer. Okay here interviewee, and he does that for a living those. Oh, wow. He visits orange theories for a living really part of Being anyway, oh, he goes to lots of them. He'll be in Atlanta, you know everything. Just saying I was he is answer the question really stay on track area, you know, we don't get off track like to go down in salary if I move job said what's the minimum? I need three numbers a comma and three numbers. Figures it is awkward. Okay. So for me, you know, everything is long as this competitive pay you'll make a letter. Is advertising there Vegas Vegas get together like the first-ever Orangetheory meme Meetup. Yes. It's in July. So, you know. I mean William Vegas is always amazing and it's only like a hundred dollars from here to Atlanta. They're so cheap to go so we should totally go and we should set up. We like should do the show. Um, okay. Oh, it'll be so many people that love us. They're doing a class in Vegas. Yeah, you know, what's great about those mountains. What's your favorite Hotel chain? I am not ashamed to admit that I actually like the residents in thank you very much. Is that the Residence Inn by Marriott Residence Inn by Marriott. So that means you could go visit them. No, no. No, I don't sit stay on points in Vegas, I guess but I don't know about you but put it against a mafia. I am they all secrets like I was hanging out having the IHG, but of course, of course you do this. There is an IHG brand totale that is like a timeshare. It's close to the strip, but we would say on the Strip. Where do you stay in Vegas when you normally go you're gonna wear to Vegas. Yeah. I'm going to Week when I'm going to be honest, I don't yeah, I don't stay on the Strip. You don't know I stayed at I've got looked at my stuff back. I'm gay. I don't need to be around gay people. I'm gay myself. I'd rather be around. I'm straight. I'd rather be around that too. But like I don't specifically I mean what everywhere I just love that. Yeah. Oh really? Where do you stay when you go? Yeah. Babe's my favorite on the Strip is probably our area and say that to him I like it because I can I like Cosmo the general area but I don't like staying in Cosmo. So I like staying in our area like her and then right off the strip. I love Encore steveland sucker hotel that's on the Stratton it is but you know, it's not like tucked back. Let's talk back because it's weird Encore and Palazzo. Yeah at all like the ilithyia. Because you can't just walk there. You have to take a cab. Yeah, so I like the I like the Encore the pilasters like that really all the scenarios pretty cool. I've stated the Rio. I've stayed at the Palms the Luxor have stayed all sorts of stay there. That was the first time I went to Vegas. I stayed at the Palms when they were recording or no. No that was like the third time I went to Vegas so many memories, but they're reporting like real world Vegas. Wow. Good times. So we've been doing random thought of the week, but I think I'm going to switch this up to random words of the week because nobody understands things like Dana Moss. I'm gonna educate y'all fools. It's a hard word. So instead of doing the random thought we're going to do random word association if you like my English degree is going to come tumbling off of the wall crashed. So the old man The word association works if if this like this to this no, so I'm basically going to give you a word and you have to say the first word that comes to your mind. Let's do it. I don't see them. So this way you don't have to know vocabulary definitions. You just have to know what it makes it sound like okay. All right, you ready? Yeah, are you saying they'll just the word or in a sentence and ordered and you have to tell me the first word that comes to your mind, babe? Of the word I say so for instance, here's a for instance. If Trey said the word cat my first thought would be fur and I was saying I think doc we had the bosu ball nothing. Oh my God, and I was a little hungover and we had bosu ball today. I will never do and I started thinking about something like why do I always have bosu ball what I'm drinking and then I was like, well, maybe I'm drinking too much and it's just maybe I'm just drinking too much. You don't notice it until that let's go already. Yeah. We're number one. Country Bumpkin biscuit or number two ghost textures. Did you say what did you say down through? We're number three? lockbox money This is app. I have no idea. What a number for galactic center Star Wars word number five final word. Are you ready? Oh God sponge. We're going for sex fetish sex. I got like the last syllable. Oh, she heard that and she's like sex. I really I'm in my head. I had Visions. It's the other feather of color vision. I didn't mmm and the easiest word to get out quickly with sex. Oh, okay what you need another word or you want to go? No, I just mean all right, so we have sex some do it again. Try it. All right. How was that? I like that actually satisfied on that last one. Oh, Was it more than ten take a little longer than to have you experimented with that since last week? No, it's sad. All right, if y'all could send some do you like verbal things and some tips? Just try me any of them. Are y'all so things you also narrations of like Tick Tock videos or something that would really in the mood and I will select boy bands and and batteries. And cake cake cake cake cake cake cake speaking of clerk a plague. I saw that cake the smile differently. No I Centre of the glute God is a gluten-free cake is you know that those glutes are gonna see it. No, I need a straight person on the show with me. We know that Augustus. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Oh God switch. This is what we're talking about. She's gorgeous. I questioned the man's trust a shot. He put it out there. It's true. I have been banned from Snapchat 37 times because I screenshot girls. This was just kidding. Mr. Graham. It was on that is on iTunes. It was on the gram. No, I do I got stuck at work. Mmm, I told you a bitch parents are telling this kid. I did you work in HR I do not work in a jar. I just hold credentials. Remember telling this kid that worked for me for this summer. I came out of my office and he was on the Facebook and I was like, okay, so I was like, why are you doing that? Why are you not on MySpace? He's like no - it was and you could put songs on your profile. Go back. You can't tell me nothing, right? I don't know why that was awesome. Remember what my noise? Yes, probably a Kelly Clarkson song that was about the error for me. Okay, let's change the switch. I would wait until you want to show me another man's making a some trace phone just use your voice that was naked. He was covering and it was my phone laughs exactly. My phone is tucked away over at the way funny. Well next time you want to show me that on your phone narrator with your voice so I can like even it out. You got it. So I guarantee you said switch question round table. So last week was a bit of a CF in terms of Yells questions and so we're going to try again and this time we're going to start with try like my Posse question you like my past it gave us a good show intro it did trade you have a random question for I do have my us to fun people. Yes for you to what motivates you each day. And why yes, I went deep you don't but I prefer to go deep. Do you ever wonder if maybe you're not deep enough I've That's what motivates me. No, sir. I know Tre girls have two holes. No, no. No. Those are second hole in the hole. Anyway back to your question. So what motivates me is alcohol, so maybe that explains your issue on the bosu, but I like knowing that I can drink till 3 a.m. Look up for work out at 5:00. I'm tray for your dream Brown 800 calories calories and piss her off about it. It does things that I find interesting. I like to learn where Madonna can't you just changed that that's question. That's what interests me here. That's what was harder than I am so I can I like to go deep intellectual e that's your fetish. What is it called? Say po social or sapiosexual? What is sexual like it? What's the first word that comes to your mind? When you hear sapiosexual your big old brain, I think Haley and okay go when you're old. What do you think that your kiddos are going to ask you to tell stories about back in? Good ol Days when there was snow on the ground I used to walk to win. I'm yeah and your kids are older. Hmm. I think they're going to ask me how I work my way up to the third minute orgasm into my next question, which is specifically for trach. Oh God. Can you go over the steps of how to have the three minute orgasm the three minute orgasm and bashed Andrea thank and was way better than the allowable. It involves the ability to communicate Jesus Christ. I gotta talk now. I'm going to yes, you do because if you communicating, you know exactly what to say when to say it and communicating is also in the body. Alright 1982. I'm sorry, but we're going back to 11 seconds. Come back. No, but everybody else wants to know. Oh, so the way that you achieve that is one. It should not be about you and let that sink in. Okay, when it is to people and should be one not you trying to kill yourself. It should be both and when it worry more about the other person. Anyway, well like you should be normally I'm only worried about my reputation, you know. Try to change but look seriously, I believe that when you have relation hmm. Well you have Alicia. Are you 80 already? Go ahead. I'm freaking you know, I'm trying to make sure he's not speaking for the people. Yes on behalf of the people. Yes, when you have relations, you should make sure that it is a sharing of souls a sharing of souls. I am so serious. Okay. So here like legit Triple Three Triple Eight. Jamie Yeah, so basically what you're telling me is like to get to the three minutes the first three minutes have nothing to do with anything other than me feeling somebody's Soul so far you sucking better my opinion. Yes, he does. In a different way. Hmm. So is this enough to communicate is that it communicates something to become one or shut up go for 10 seconds because you know what the Spice Girls tried to tell y'all are. Yes, they did. But that song Just resonated with me now. I'm gonna go back to listen to it. They had down in the nineties Posh. You're so right baby. What's the other one? Athletic e very somebody in their car and I was like David him all yelling at the Posh Baby. What's happening one Jim spice Jim and not X2 Beck's. Yeah, yeah. Actually boys though. All right. Go ahead. Good Nick Kevin Kevin. No, you can't name them you to think about it and she had this cut. Oh, I don't go by how they sing mixings. Uh-huh. Then Brian things Brian and mix it in the same order. Yes, and then it depends because know Kevin is usually metal. I'm going to order of the singing you've named them all now. Thank I don't even know that that is Like a true find you and not a Backstreet Boys fan in every song they sing. Yeah order Nick starts off Brian better than Nick Brian. And then what the bad boy just got a name. I just forgot his name Define bad AJ. Yes, then AJ then. How is Kevin Define bad boy because I don't really get scared when I think about he has tattoos and everything on. Spotted his sixth make some bad because I picture him like West Side Story like snapping his fingers when I picture him in like Greece with John Travolta scaring the shit out of women. Oh my God, you just I'm not I'm not very worldly. I thought that he'd like to plays because he likes his what's the word pause Jamie Monde different chemistry. I hate the musical's it just go off on tangents to sing just the sounds. Like 520 I thought Jersey Boys didn't like turd boy that likes everybody likes there's boys. I don't like they like they like the Beat of the Music but like I always wonder this is one thing that's always bothered me is like always wonder like who was the first person that said? Hey, you know what? This is what people really sing when they want to talk like like let's make a whole play around. You know, I would love to have a day in a life where I just sing the whole day. I will say this though. I didn't know what to expect usually when I hear a lot of Of hype on big plays it's not that great. But if every history class was like Hamilton, I would remember every history. Yeah Team Hamilton. I don't think I want to see how much it's really good. This is a straight guy telling you those. Yeah, but why you know another dude who wrote it is one of the main actors in the new Mary Poppins Incorrect and that would be like really good dude. You even touch Mary Poppins believe me likes actually going up, you know. Yes she will. Any other thoughts turn up. You know what? No one touched Julie wait, Julie and Julie Andrews. I was about to lose some points for the mafia. Wow. I recovered back. That's a gay Mafia and the question. Why am I like in my head? I think I'm thinking of the movie Bedknobs and Broomsticks. That was a good one. That's why I'm thinking of instead of Mary Poppins right now. That's a different kind of kills. Wow, you don't need to know Angela for the gay Mafia going to talk about Murder She Wrote. So a longtime friend instagrammed her videos and photos of her going. She was in Venice with her kids. And one of the have y'all been to Venice I have enough on my list. Yes anyway, so she takes a picture and A mask shop. So like Carnival masks thing. So I wrote her back and I said we should have an Eyes Wide Shut theme party and she responded make sure I get an invite dot dot dot and some of my questions. He enlisted ellipses. That's another vocabulary word me that word. So my question for you guys is should we have an Eyes Wide Shut theme party and what would your ideal body look like underneath the mask? Yes, you should and ideal body for who for the other person or for yourself. Who would you like to look at under what kind of body would you like to look at under the mask at our eyes wide shut party what you boys have right now. Yes, girl. You better good. Make it awkward. Now. I feel I'm Clint. Yeah, right, whatever. I would love to see Double D's could you know, I don't see color I see boobs. I also would like to see who's my favorite actor my Mason Andrews at the answer Ryan Reynolds who I mean he's cute. But no Kevin Spacey. I can pie said this but no eyes. You know what Kevin Bacon? Oh, hey Jay spice Bethy. A spider a Jase my psycho. Oh, yes, we had that so you weren't Christian Bale would see what Christian Bale would double d boobs. That is the weirdest thing ever. I don't know about you know, what parties cancel. I don't like any of this, awkwardness. I'm trying to be more worldly an open mind. But what do you what is your ideas? I just need curse of confidence. Without Kristen Bell's Hub. Is he the Christian Bale or Christian movie Edward Norton Fight Club, Edward Norton or like well, that's when he said he'd be in touch about anywhere. That's I thought about Fight Club. Yeah anyone so you like Curves and Confidence got it. And you like Christian Bale American Psycho and I like them. 12 I got discovered as I got older as like I wasn't necessarily as picky about the curves as who's carrying the curve alone because like I've I don't like when I get to a situation I end up being like the only one asking questions and I'm getting like one word answers back and stuff like that when I was younger. I thought that was a product of me. Yeah, as I got older. I realize it's a product of a slow-burning. Yeah it is and you give me one and I can't have a three minute orgasm, but I need some commission. I need a little chemistry. I don't need to touch her soul. Whatever the fuck you're talking about, but I need to have a little case. I'm telling you for those of you listening, please you're not listening. Y'all texture of the wrong represent real what's your ideal under the mastitis? My ideal like legit under the mask? No. No, thank well because before I was like we have this we have this real we have this real orange theory. A Eyes Wide Shut party. I like a taller guy. Oh like taller what like good night. Well, I'm only 5 3 covid some girls like a full foot taller like 6 and above. Okay, and I'll places are just gave Trey the wink of the century. Yes. Yeah to be six foot taller and actually six that's just no that's good for me like this, but you're not sure like, you know, are you talking about that? I'm coming. Hey, what are you talking about? Oh, what about with six inches wide to she likes a square cock not a priority. Oh, not a priority. Okay. All right. So you need a 6-foot pencil dick with a six-inch more confidence to really yeah, he'll say that but I don't really I don't know. No, I think girls and correct me if I'm wrong. I know you don't speak for all girls, but I really think that girls really really like cocky man for sure and like a little challenge but there there still has to be some interests back or you're crying like you wouldn't you wouldn't want interest. You wouldn't want them to be like a total asshole. Yeah, you won't there be a thought everyone else. There's a lot of total assholes with kids. In fact, I can test all in class yesterday already for Zero Hero that do it. So this morning I heard one from Trace favorite person. So he said so from coach Zack here in Smyrna. Yeah. He said burn the ABS to get the ass 0 or anything that exact same. Hero, I like it. All right, three Heroes. I'm coach that Lauren SD is I guess sauce SOS. She says if you can talk to the person next to you, you're not working hard enough zero our hero I beg to differ if you can do choreography that working culture has got a zero real I'm gonna say that that's probably the right thing to say to yours truly. Ha ha ha. I'm like, what are you doing Lisa? I'm going here. Okay, honestly training should be working on whatever run backwards start doing the sideways. Yeah. I know. No thank you. This one is also for Trey. No, this is around the time you'd be walking out of Planet Fitness. And this is him Coach Juliana March in Sanford, Florida Orlando. Yep. So Giuliana hero, I will say this if you're a black card member, this is official. I'm reporting you. I like it. I like it. Do you like it here? Oh, oh, this is how I know you're listening. Okay guys intro music for the week and I'm going to change it up a little bit this week. Oh no, I want to know which song is your guilty pleasure and what I mean by that is you love it. But if you if somebody if somebody saw you sing it it but you would be like totally embarrassed. Wow, y'all two hundred percent Improvement in your previous record. You're giving me a really interesting with chair right now. I'll take it to the moon, which is a great segue of my song. Which is it is by be York and it is called Moon. That's is that stings alter ego and G8 the little like that war the it was a swine like years ago, but has a Grammy Moon. I'm societal Yahoo! This song it is so good. This is your guilty pleasure. What are you doing? It comes on and people in the room. Do you like are dance? I like going to a Zone. I thought taking off my shirt. Is it part of your three-minute secret? I have a three-minute secret that so this would be this could help if it was a playlist. Okay? Okay, so my true true guilty pleasure song On those are Tori Amos that's experienced anything Tori Amos comes on like even like weird one. They're all mr. Zebra is a weird song, but I still like it. We should share the story. The funny thing is Rhea and I we didn't know each other time, but we were both at that agreement. Yes and Florida here in Atlanta and I told him I was like 16 year old Rhea was very happy at the Tori Amos concert and he was like, oh my God, that's what Eugene Which is his husband also said yes at the time so Eugene and I are like it's also Souls connected. I was bored also, it was so fucking boring, but she is a good under the pink though. It's like you would like that. What does that mean under the pink? Anyway, any old Torino song would be a true guilty? That my current should wait. There's another one to change said okay. I said my old one, but my knew this would add this would go on my playlist. I three-minute playlist. Okay like yours. It's I'm Kiara feels Goodbye. See ya. Do you see? Copy on a copy on I can't remember what she did drag queen fact Hannah is on a RuPaul know as she's saying thank you. Oh she is. Thank you. I should adopt that think I just did. Hmm. Unfortunately. My guilty pleasure song is What Makes You Beautiful by One Direction? The first time I heard it was so is like picture patent red leather chairs and you know, just a lounge type situation. Don't go there. It's like after 12 or 12:30. I call it an adult problem because basically they're playing like all they're playing like prom type music but it's all women who are like 30 or above and really mostly guys with money who are on expense accounts or they have their own money and they're basically it like one big roofie colada in there, but I'll never forget the first time I heard the song I literally saw grown women crying because it was when One Direction first came out and they played this song and actually saw grown women crying and dancing on the floor which made me think about prom and then in slow motion a week later. I'm in New Orleans for Christmas break. Hmm and my at the time 12 or not, even that 11 year old niece her big Christmas present was One Direction tickets and she started she crying and the living room under the Christmas tree. I would it really clicked in my head. She was crying crying and screaming like anyway, so basically over a 15-day period I heard a lot of that song. I met ended up becoming a guilty plea name any singer in One Direction of the idea. I know there's the one hot one that broke away from the band because my niece was posted all over Instagram when it happened wait, but that's pretty much what hotties there's like five guys in that. Yeah, but like what don't want to fuck off first. I can't remember his name. But his song Goods Pillow Talk and it is good. I can team I can't I can't name one other Wonder Shane Harry. Well here are you dated Taytay? Yes, so it's Harry Styles and she has a song called style o i- go back to listen to the song is so it's a good thing that she's so yeah the paper airplane necklace around her neck. Google Google him in that's what Heroes there's all sorts of Taytay stuff. DOTA is so sad. She's so pretty. I love it. Maybe she's Paris fuck. She's awesome. But she does she makes million. I paid in this. Yes. She does. She's gonna go back and rerecord all her song. Yes, so that she would have to do it. The guy you want to know whose idea that was Kelly Clarkson. Oh, yeah tweeted it. Thanks killing and your little girl just Did you see 40 year old virgin? We gotta feel it. Yeah, they actually did that. I know and it was like totally impromptu. So on her she has a new show. I think it killed her on the very first show with Steve Carell. He was like welcome everybody. I'd like to introduce you to any closing thoughts for the week. So last week I said it was the 12-minute row or 12 minute run for distance oopsies. It was the only person who's ever again, please. Today, she said jammies to me. Guess who she described emmalin. Yeah. I was wearing Jamie you were wearing jammies yesterday. I said what stray doing? She says where Jerry's tray and he had on his jammies. Let me let me correct this so that I can continue to represent the mafia. 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It is Thursday January second 2020 20 almost want to say 2019 there, you know because it becomes a habit habitual just to say the year that you're in there. It's hard not to write 2019 for probably the next week or so. Probably the next two weeks. Imagine having to say it live on a microphone every day and not sounding stupid. It's inevitably going to happen. I mean I say dumb things all the time, but welcome to January 2nd 2020 2020 another decade has passed. Hope you all had the greatest decade of your entire life. I hope 2020 is going to be the year that you remember later on in your life. That was like boom pivotal change in my life. 2020 was when I decided. to insert name of cool thing here Maybe you are. Maybe you decide to get in shape. Maybe you stopped eating like two pizzas tonight. Maybe you stopped eating bread sticks with cheese and pizza and wings. And pancakes and cookies and brownies. Nope. This is this is strictly for a friend who might be dealing with this thing and having this idea. Maybe 2020 is the year that you get your life together. And yep. It's probably the year that I need to do the same. I'm getting married this year. I guess which is awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. Can't wait for that Forevers a long fucking time long fucking time, but I can't wait for that ride. Hey, hey put her there Today's Show is brought to you by seek seek is not only our presenting sponsor. It's a greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and don't anything else that was really allow don't email just need the tagline. Seeking scans all the other ticket buying platforms and make sure getting the best value for the tickets that you purchase. You're not going to get catfished either the ticket that you buys the ticket that you get and that's why seek is the greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and Little too loud. Okay. Okay. Now I'm allowed. Yep little bit too loud. 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It got there was a big like there was a massive Clump that came clear the throat we're ready to go. I wish I could have yelled with you in the people that were yelling, Indiana at Nick Marauder wearing a camouflage hoodie over there on the ones and twos. How was your New Year's Eve with big Walt pretty good ones about about 11 p.m. So, you know, yeah, that's a what the as we go on. We remember how hard it is. To spend New Year's at midnight together. It's hard. I looked at the clock like 7:30 8 o'clock. I'm like Whoa We got four more hours. My lady Knight about 9:30 were laying down. We're looking around with we still got two and a half more hours here lady. We got to make it we did by the way, we made it all the way to midnight, but it was it was a drag crawl to the finish line. And this is what happens when you get older you get hemorrhoids and things like that tone dates how I saw you and your family were enjoying beautiful new year. Steve last year, we went out to dinner because I knew if we just sit at home all night. We would not make it and he came home. He played a little rummy drink little champagne. Are you around me family? Yeah, me and Sam play every night. Really? Yeah. It's a good way to a couple's night tonight experience. I'll tell you what Sam and I went and played against Phil and his wife and rummy dominated. Yeah. I'm very good poem gamer away game for you, huh home gamer away. Well, it wasn't awakened because there was at their house, but they had people looking at my cards. Whoa. Yeah cells dad and feel Sister Lin Lang a my card. Yeah papa Mains is coming in like that. Good. See you give me a hug and a look at Philly like wink for an ace and I don't need that right now a plastic card, which you do Funyuns if onions chocolate milk, you know, we didn't do a thing house. 811. Yeah exactly. What did you watch I watch the Utah Texas game. Okay. So you watch Utah Texas game shoutout to Texas by the way, and also a fun thought Utah almost made it into the damn college football one win away in imagine. What? LSU would have done to them. I couldn't even fathom and Utah remember I don't want to drag you think for 2019 and I think I might even do it. I have to do it. Yeah, we refused on this show to talk about Utah because I didn't know anything about Utah and I felt like a bad person because I was a college football analyst I knew nothing about him and I didn't want to talk about him. So I get calls and you need to show more respect for the Utah Utes. You shall like, you know what you're right your honor certain, right? They get in the Pac-12 championship game play Oregon slaughtered then here they are against Texas slaughtered. I mean, I'll To have respect and appreciation for my her to mountains are beautiful that your people are great. But damn that team stuck. I don't know how they got to where they were. Let's assume they'll get better next that's two years in a row the Texas is taken advantage of a team that barely missed out on the playoffs and I think they're a little down for the meaningless bowl game in Texas has taken advantage of it is Tom Herman the Bill Belichick of bowl games that don't mean anything people are asking them for asking that I by the way Tom Herman he has a lot of I've heard a lot of interesting stories obviously about Tom Herman. And as we all have is he been an upgrade for Texas or not? Because I feel like Texas has not been relevant for a very long time almost like since Vince Young was there or Colt McCoy was their natural. I think they expected him to get back to where they were at with Mack Brown and he just hasn't done it at all. He was an upgrade over Chuck strong for sure. I met Chuck strong this week. Well, I started Chuck strong with Chuck Pagano. Correct? Charlie strongly believe is who you're yes friend, too. I got a chance to meet him this year. I think he got fired from his Yeah, I'll be excited to see what he does next but you could tell that the way he talked about Texas. It didn't go anywhere near how he thought or they thought it was going to go and it's almost like whenever the something like that happens. You can set back a program a long time and they can be hooking them all they want down there, but they ain't hooked in a damn thing except for these big Big Bowl victories over teams that aren't in bowls of matter. So you didn't watch any of the New Year's Eve shows. No, none of them. I've never been to New Year's Eve show guy. What does that mean? I just don't really care about it. I've never I've never accidentally floated over to NBC right ever. Accidentally. I'm over on HBO checking out the movies, you know, got it. Well you didn't miss much. I mean post Malone did a performance in a pink suit pretty good pretty good performance. Yeah, Paula Abdul lip-sync like four or five times but she's 70 years old and was dancing her ass off. So I have some respect for that. I always wonder is a lip-sync like always an option for a performer and they have to choose whether or not to do it like for instance when they go out there and they're performing rehearsing. Whatever and I assume in rehearsal, it's actual singing. Is there somebody that's like, you know, we can only is that what happens because it's not my only game I play now during Live Events is like are they lip-sync ego? Not like Neo for instance. There will be some times where Neo performs who still alive by the way, Neo still getting a lot of really good gigs. I've no idea how or why but he used to do that thing with the microphone stands. Pretty smooth. I think he probably wrote some songs, but Neil hasn't had a hit probably two decades. I don't know how he's doing 2020, but I respect it. But whenever he sings he has his hand like over his entire mouth like this and I'm like, I feel like I could be a singer if that's the way it goes. I wonder if that's an option every single time you prefer I think so and I think it's more like the people who dance primarily as opposed to sing do that because dancing and singing at the same time. Obviously very hard. You're going to get winded you going to run out of breath. Yeah. Also the dancers primarily do the lip sync and how nice is that though? Like how nice beautiful to know that? Okay. I make a banger DJ's just going to spin that thing. I just got I'm going to do my dance. That's all I got to do. And then I just got to word it. And then at the end, I feel like there's a deal that's made between the audio person in a person like a after the songs over turn it on so I can say thanks to everybody because there's always that completely different tone sound. It's like happy New Year. Sierra was dancing her ass off. I forgot how good of a dancer she is and I don't think she was lip-syncing this. Yeah, but that song wasn't a song you sing them. No. No, that's more like yeah, that's like why it's for so frustrating to see someone like Mariah Carey who's known only for a singing go out and do some lip syncing. You have a Mariah Carey what you make she made 60 million off of that one. So I want Christmas Christmas streaming rights may have a list here of like top 20 people who've lip sync. But Rascal Flatts is one of them, really? No. No, this is what girls I thought they caught though. No, can we please put a Preface on this that this is one person's opinion that Zito is really he I could see him losing his breath. You're telling me big buttery breath. Fella big buttery voice. Guy is going to lip-sync. All right, that's all he's got. That's all that guy's got Big Guy Fieri guy. He there's no way he's gonna he does look like Guy Fieri. Yeah with a buttery Soulful. Yes the concert they were here. I think last year we went to it stunk. So I mean, I don't manage it didn't save destroyed them. They were they open for them and Destroy. I want to finish a were lip-synching. You don't know. I don't know this to her good. I wish now if we were musicians and we were on tour. And everybody knows how my brain operates and I get bored. I would assume I would make a remix for every song and every city that we go to you know what I mean? You would do that 100% 100% customize the song for the city for the city that we're at that is a hundred percent when I get that is how you learn if the person is lip-syncing. Yes that is back on my toes in the water as in Indiana. You know what I mean? Like there's just something that you could change in the song so it's not obvious. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. Know how more people don't do that? I have no idea how more people every time I go to a concert and I'll hear them sing. I'm like not even one little just a little tip of the cap to like go the Indy 500 maybe Peyton Manning said you couldn't sneak that in I just think they're missing the boat, but it has to be because last night New Year's Eve might be lip. Sync City. Oh, yeah, everybody here. I don't think post was now he seemed like he was saying but his microphone is a full auto tune microphone, which I don't care you do what you got to do. It seems like it. Having having some money issues with his audio in his left ear as well. I think that's always the classic go to and everything on singing you do the lip sync things either. What'd you do last night? Take cocoa anyone? Yes, we went to a burger place downtown. It's owned by a big Steak House chain around here Saint Elmo's. I was about to say I thought we're doing no Pub there. I thought how'd it go? Did you get back home? Did you watch any the television? Yeah, so I actually didn't watch any television went home. Stop the talk show. It's actually right next to tots thing. It was like right next to I walked out. I was at that show. Nice tie. What'd you do last night anything? Sweet? No, not really. I fell asleep by about eight woke up at 11:30. So the ball drop went back to partly. Hi mastered New Year's Eve Fox SIU and the lady were out and about saw a photo shoot happen. That's good. I like that. Yes, sir. That's just classic. She's 23. So she's a part of the Instagram Arrow. So we got to take the photo shoot. I do that dinner drinks whole thing. I'm feeling 22. He says she 23 like he's some 40. What are you 24? 25. Oh man. I'm 40 speaking of a man who is for the clock. You had two shows last night how they go. How were the crowds I assumed they were pretty rambunctious. Yeah, the big difference between a first show and second show in the Years where show while older crowd they have dinner beforehand, you know, and then the party crowd Late Show the best part of it was I got to meet Zito's lady for the first time. Oh cough cough. She's quite awesome. Yeah. She's dating Xena. Yeah. And old Billy Billy Mc. Almost got a chance to drive home his dad last night after shows and star use dentist. Yeah, Billy didn't make it in here until about 4 minutes ago. And we're very thankful that he really is alive thrown over on YouTube later. I walk in I walk in the building this morning and all laughs. Ah, happy New Year. Happy New Year, and then it's like two three minutes. Like what are we gonna talk about? And then hey there's a real situation with Billy but chemistry. What happened do you get I said I thought was really he got arrested. Like I think Ty looked at me. He said you might be dead really becomes day. Nobody can get ahold of him. And here he met Lynn. Yeah, very very thankful for Billy happy. You all had a great New Year's. I hope the people that are listening had a great New Year's. Is there anything we should talk about before we get to break? What's any big news? Which talk about na na exhibit 3 Dorsey you did Dorsey. Dorsey yeah, Buddy Boy Buddy Boy John Dorsey of the Cleveland Browns the man who basically assembled the most talented roster in Cleveland Browns history potentially recent history least. I don't want to go back and act like he's history most talented roster and history that for some reason couldn't come together and play together for some reason couldn't get it all in a row John Dorsey GM fired the haslums shipped the responsibility of building this team. To a guy who's living in California in his basement John Dee podesta. Is that right? Yeah Moneyball guy. Yep. They just that guy was the guy from the previous regime that ruined the team more than anything. Let's get it back into that guy's hands this Haslam family. Now, I know that there's a lot of very bad franchises in all of sports. I'm sure there's even bad Esports owners, but this Haslem family firing the coach firing the GM putting it. Back in charge of the GM that you fired just two years ago. What an interesting move that will definitely go down in their legacy of sucking less far as owners of an NFL to it was like since the haslums of taken over and I saw the Tweet but I don't have it up right now. It's like the Steelers have had one head coach and one GM the Ravens have had one head coach and to GM's just because Ozzie Newsome retired. And then the Bangles have had one GM into coaches and then the Browns have had five GM's. Five coaches are think of seven coaches or something like that. So what is it the interview process? You know what they're not asking if you're a kitchen appliance, which kitchen appliances should be because that you are and everything. You need to learn about somebody right in that moment. I wonder what Freddy answered I'll be for it. How is this a spoon before us pork actually is a multi-faceted and you'd have to go Freddy. Well, that isn't well get more clients. That's a utensil. Well, you put a little drill on John. Dorsey at Ron Rivera in with the Redskins, I guess two nights ago. It was spotted in DC at some restaurant Dan Schneider was eating dinner with Ron Rivera and Barack Obama Barack Obama is now recruiting coaches to the Washington Redskins. I've no idea if that was a true report. I saw the Tweet get tweets that is a hilarious thing in the hilarious thought congrats around Rivera taking over another franchise that seems to be perpetually In success and I can't wait to see what he does with Duane Haskins who showed a lot of promise and he hired Jack Del Rio today is this defense coordinator? Okay couple 200 G's getting the road dogs back together and I'll just like Mike McCarthy has been doing in his barn. I'm excited to see where he ends up the more and more I think about it Mike McCarthy at the Browns or the Cowboys would be awesome. I think that would be a cool thing getting ins are in there get them now, by the way, awesome for the team. I'm not talking about for us. I think what we all would like is Uh Jones obviously make a hilarious decision so we can listen to Jerry have to talk about his decision because Jerry Jones isn't Electric Factory on a microphone, but I have no idea who's going to get what job I think now and bear with me here. This would be a lining a lot of stars, but I think there's a chance now Dan Schneider, I guess kind of bucks this trend. I think there was a conversation By the NFL to these teams are looking for coaches to tell them to draw it out a little bit. Take your time doing this. We can make stories out of this. We can make fodder out of this. Let's not just hire somebody immediately and then we have to answer a lot of questions. There's a lot of stories that are coming out from this own now right like Matt rules saying no to the Browns was a hilarious situation. Now the Browns want to look into this guy and this guy and this guy it seems like everybody's doing super due diligence what you Our fan you have to appreciate but it's not normally like this now normally hires have already been made. Normally there's already been decisions and thoughts already had I mean at this point we don't have a clue who's going to go anywhere in the people that we thought were going to go somewhere now are potentially not going to go anywhere. It's like Jason Garrett somehow has survived three meetings. Now Ari meetings are Jerry Jones. I don't know what else you got to talk about. I understand it's a family down there and that Jerry Jones says he runs at operation like a family every time you see his sweet. He's got his grandkids in there washing his glasses and his sons everything. Is it is a real family thing his family owns it it's a hundred percent ownership. They took no public money. So I understand that but yeah, this guy stinks as a head coach. It's only it's only a matter of time. You got to let him go and maybe he got stale and let him go but no, but nothing that we really thought was going to happen has happened yet and that to me is surprising and I think it might be a strategic business was I think there might be a little something to it because normally I think when the teams realized three or four weeks ago that they're getting a new coach they already start putting out their feelers to the potential coaches and then they kind of answer one of mine, but I think what Jason Garrett, and this is a this is a tale as old as time as something that works. I think he's crying in these meetings and like when you've tried to break up with girlfriends in the past and they start crying it is just impossible to do Jerry just send a text message and move on. I think he's crying. I think he's crying it. Did Jerry's like, alright. Well, we'll talk tomorrow. I mean, can we get some cleaner? So next time maybe Thursday Jerry just text him. Mm 6 mm. That's what that's what happened. It was like well, you can't break up over text. It's like have you ever seen Jason Garrett cry off the handle? What would you do if they just change the locks at the like the whole cobweb facility? They do that though. So you have like a fob to get into your building and as soon as you could cut your fob doesn't work anymore. There's guys that show up there fob doesn't work. It's like okay is this a tech tissue or am I no longer on the Rocks? All that happened the famous video the Jets guy, right? Yeah getting a lot of yeah. They walk you out. 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He was a second-round draft pick for the New England Patriots. He ended up at the Indianapolis Colts slot. Safety Corner. Ladies and gentlemen at Darius Jay Butler. Hey, what's the problem? What's the new podcast called? Everything DV because your name is Darius Butler Darius Butler, you know DP played every position in the backfield. So I'm just dropping Jim's talking ball, you know for all the people who are kind of want to learn more about the back end of the defense a lot of guys on TV don't know much about that, you know, coverages and secondaries and things like that. So I'm just trying to bring that to you know, social media. That's a real thing. By the way, I watch your videos and I feel like I'm actually learning and I've told this story before but Might have a lot of new listeners whenever you have a team meeting on Wednesday mornings. It's the whole team. Ho all hands on deck Chuck Pagano used to enjoy questioning the defense on who prepared who was ready going in there. So he would say like hey when they line up in this formation, what does that mean? And nobody would answer and then he would go Darius. What does that mean in DB would Darius will go. Well his the slots going to go onto the flat the Titans going to do this you do this in Chuckles. Like that's right, right. So like every single time that a question was Asked Dairy is Butler was the quarterback basically of the secondary one of the smartest humans. I think football-wise. I'm very very happy that you're finally deciding to use that and potentially make money off of that on the internet because I am learning stuff through your breakdown videos on your Twitter, which I love we just need to get you a red laser pointer because the green laser pointer can't see the damn thing. I got it man. I wouldn't God I got the red laser pointer you damn me like Right. What is what is something looking at? These wild card games Buffalo Houston, Tennessee New England, Minnesota New Orleans Seattle Philly. What is something from the DB standpoint that we should look forward to in this particular game? What get what team uses a nice system that should set them up for victory against another team that we aren't thinking about. Well right now I'm you know, everybody's knocking down the Patriots obviously taking a big loss to Miami obviously tom-toms not playing as well as we've seen him play over the years, but the secondary He's had a pretty good year Gilmore kind of I don't know what it was going into that game last week. But Parker got the best of them you saw him get hit with that deep that will move against the bills. I think it was driving around and went by and so I think he'll come in the playoffs with even a bigger chip on his shoulder and he's kind of that defense afraid of your conversation. You got Tannehill who's playing his first playoff game if I'm not mistaken, I think up in Foxboro. So I'm you know, I always thought I was how those go up against pounds. So I'm excited to see how the Patriots dbe's come out who else has books. So, how about Houston DeAndre Hopkins? They got all the weapons down there. And is she on Watson has been Hot Plate against his Buffalo Bills defense that has been stingy at times but they've had a couple games where they've let down a little bit. How do you feel that match? I could potentially go. Wow. Hopefully White follows follows Hopkins all over the field straight white. It's not a had an All-Pro years. Well tie for the lead him. Picks and he's been a dominant force in that secondary. They got great safety's a high and pour your they fly around make place still got Jerry Hughes coming off the edge former teammate. So I'm excited about that matchup Bill O'Brien, you know the Texas seem to find a way in every year and they compete and ID hop, you know, he's there for the big moment hasn't had a huge year this year. You know Watson hopefully makes a little more of a name for himself in the playoffs this year. So I'm excited to see the boys go at it man. Especially that defense. Actual Buffalo Hopkins has like five x hands. Yeah. Yeah. Is that something that you like as a DB you like? Alright, I'm going against a guy with little Mongoloid hands. Like is that something you have to think about? I mean, it just makes his catch radius even bigger and he hit me. He already says doesn't drop anything. He has those big any where's the red gloves and make them look even bigger but he's a beast man and I love to see him play. I let us here competing comes out. Their shows his best every week and same thing with a guy like Tre Whyte so I'm you love those type of matchups this point in the season. I have a question for you. I saw Tyrann Mathieu was wearing bright yellow gloves. The other team was wearing a dark color. I said that that was a message. He was sending that he doesn't care if they can see him holding his hands on it because normally an idea of a DB is to wear the same color glove as the other team because then your hands can kind of match in with the Jersey. Am I wrong in thinking that? Yeah. Some guys use that that method. I know Mike Adams a big proponent of that former pro bowl safety teammate. He always know who were playing the Tino's went away jersey will try to wear white gloves. But Matthews having a hell of a year this year man, and he's changed kind of the whole outlook on that that she's defense which makes them, you know want to practice second scariest team obviously seen in Wise I'm and AFC and I think that's the only team that can beat Baltimore this year on that side on that side. Of things so it's looking the arrows going up up up and I Kansas City man. I love I hat honey badger place. You just said the Patriots around. I heard Darius we're talking about Houston and and Hopkins so willful or is questionable how big of a difference is it when you have a wide receiver that can take the top off a defense versus if it's just Hopkins and you can potentially double him all day. How big of that is. This is the thing for the secondary has Ruby you saw Is it an issue? I think the last time I played the Colts for sure that's like Hopkins. I mean I have to Fuller's questionable every other week and it was a soft tissue injury or growing a hamstring or something. But he's definitely got it. You got to pay attention to you got to keep this the safety a deep safety has to know where he is because he can he can he jump or a 76-yard on any given time so that definitely changed a lot of things for the secondary just being aware of not only where Hopkins guy like Hopkins is who isn't really known for being a burner. He can kill you in a big flavors. He's he's breaking attack or doing something like that, but Fuller can you know one place he could take it to the house? Okay, let's talk about this New Orleans Saints Vikings game. Everybody just assumes that the Vikings are going to get buzzed sought out there. My question is deeper than the yeah, I did. So yeah, I think we all do how do you as a DB know that Michael Thomas is going to get 10 catches and let it happen. Is that all play design? Is that what is that? Why is he always open? It's tough. He's a big body and he has good good fee good hands he catches. Literally everything that Brees throws tomb it's nice that he can produce on that such on that high level. But you know, you have other matchups of the village has worry about like Jerry Cook. You can't just leave a linebacker on him or box safety on him Alva Camaro. You have to be aware of where he is coming out of the backfield. So you have to kind of put it's kind of like when a bee was in Pittsburgh, you know, he was a dominant receiver, but you still had to worry about Olivia. I was as far as the Run game you couldn't keep him. Linebacker on him to cover so that changes things up for because a lot of stress on the defense, but my time is I think he'll he'll he'll continue to put up those numbers but they will go down a little bit in the playoff because now it's one game seasons and now everybody see the Super Bowl with the Patriots in the rounds even a guy a as great as they are Donald like he was limiting at Super Bowl because coaches and players put so much more focused now stopping that you know that top dog. So I if Michael Thomas continues to have type of season he's had I mean, that's all I was told. That's insane what he's done. Let's talk about we got a couple minutes here. Will you stick around through the break to start to next hour with us? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, we got a couple minutes left here and then we'll just run right up to it. The has ever been a player that you played against her game plan for that. The idea was we need to eliminate this guy completely and how did you go about doing that? Wow, man, I don't like dropping noses of the one got it that comes to mind. First is crazy. Is it they told you a brown but I feel like he's still always killed us. Always and yeah, always and between the difference there was we had a guy like big being who would extend the play and kind of make not the original he can run a dick right on curl, right? He could be double team. But now when he's running three or four drops down the field, he just throws a ball that becomes very very difficult to stop another guy will be a guy like Hopkins like you got to take a guy like that how you know, he's gonna get, you know, 14 15 targets a game and if you limit that bill to production by that player You know the likelihood of you guys winning that game as it goes up with lat how much are they accurate on television with who was to blame for a blown coverage? I feel like there's a lot of guys. I feel like there's a lot of guys taking fire from commentators that don't always deserve it. They're probably about as accurate as little blame when it's a missed field goal is the holder sometimes the kicker sometimes the defensive player just makes a great play and change the trajectory of the ball. So it's almost that technical in the back here because even somebody who Play I play my ears and leave plate literally every position back there and I can't just look at it coverage and know for sure. You know how that player was coached up that week, you know, what adjustments is made to stop. So now I can get a pretty good idea and obviously the more familiar language system if I watch you know - Keys risk is or you know Chuck in Chicago. You can see the or New England. I can see a lot of similarities of the things. I was coached up on but for the most part it's really tough to get rid. That's why I like the PFF raised and things like that. I mean Eric kind of their good to add to watching film and analytics and all that stuff. But you kind of got to be in those meet rooms in a sense to really know whose fault it is to blame. I was always so intrigued by that because the commentators are like, well he was obviously passing the model was he supposed to do how do we know if he was supposed to do that? I've known as something that we used to give actually body language fine. So if I'm expecting Ramsey throw his rookie safety under the bus the other day five to see it got turned around like sometimes like hey bro, my bad bro around up. We're out. Hey, we just want right to a break right there where we just went right to her. Sorry for the interruption Zoom didn't invent video conferencing. They just made it better. Now Zoom is how business gets done Zoom ties. Gather all of your communication needs into one easy app for video conferencing phone calls group chat webinars and your conference rooms turn any work space into a modern easy to use zoom room. 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Commentators buried members of the secondary whether it's a safety was supposed to cover deep or the corner was supposed to supposed to run with them and all this stuff and I asked you how accurate those aren't you said? Nobody knows what the call actually was supposed to be unless you're in the meeting room and know who's doing what cuz coverages can change even a standard cover to can change team to team based. Then you mentioned something. It was very intriguing to me. It was a body language fine, which I absolutely love this because that is I think how the when taters decide whose fault it was who wouldn't yes, who is the most upset? They're obviously not in the wrong. It must be the other person. And you said you guys had an answer for that. Oh, yeah Deb guys guys definitely do that all the time. Now that was that was the fine because you don't ever want to want to throw in the throw one of you guys under the bus you good. Yeah. I'm good. You're okay. Yeah. I'm here. I'm trying to move you out from my behind me. It's kind of there's like 3D butts of a weird thing. It's book. Like bright, but yeah, so you never want to throw you guys under the bus man. Like I said at that de laranja when I saw that are really bothering me especially with it being a rookie, you know importers or whoever coming are actually same air. We got to watch the film check it out. Let booger figure it out. You know, let's whoever come up with their own analyst on whatever coverage is say what it is, but the overall coverage is cover 1 cover to cover three you can kind of identify those but like you said it's tweaks with and Free coverage depending on who you playing d-hop to find digs whoever's in the playoffs. You're gonna go to tweak certain things to make sure you take care of that guy and every coverage. Okay, whenever you watch games, I assume you had the same thing that I had. So when I retired I started watching games, I couldn't stand listening to the commentators talk about kicking and punting couldn't stand it. I mean, I was these people know nothing that's why I like the AP All Pro are a bunch of media people talking about punters and kickers. They have no idea what they're talking. Talking about it feels like there's zero defensive backs that really talk on television and my accurate and saying like who's the guy that speaks other than Deion Sanders who does his own show are there any defensive backs that are in the in the booth or anything like that? No, not now you I don't see any color guys, you know talking real play-by-play, you know, it's got you know, Ryan Clark obviously does a great job talking about you know, football Foxworth does a great job of talking about the whole thing. But as far as you know, getting into coverages and you know, who's Supposed to be wearing how do you coach up certain coverages and certain zone areas and things like that. I don't see anybody really digging into it besides everything TV show I guess out with me. Yeah. I'm not saying you should start diving into that at there's a real need for that because it's there's a lot going on in the back end where in one mistake could be a touchdown every single play. There's a lot of high pressure moments. Now, let's move forward past the DB. We have a great playoff run that's about to happen. The NFC is stacked the AFC runs through Baltimore. Everybody's excited. But Lamar Jackson and I Baltimore Ravens team for good reason, how do you see the playoffs panning out and who's your team that you're excited to watch? I mean Baltimore has been hot all year and they you know, when it comes to playoff football championship football this about, you know, running the ball and stopping the run and they do a good job of controlling the ball. So, you know when they're playing Dynamic offenses, they limit you know that quarterback and how many possessions get and then they're playing dominant on the defensive side as well and they got a ton of dbe's who want. You know, they got 12 pro bowlers, but a lot of those guys, you know, I actually deserve you know, Marlon Humphrey Peter says he's got over I've been on stop World Thomas, you know, one of the best safety this decade. So I'm a lot of guys over there deserve a lot of credit. So taking the Baltimore from the AFC side and it's a friend in San Fran from the NFC side man. They've been I feel like they've kind of slipped a little here and there but they've been consistently pretty dominant, especially on that all on the defensive side of the ball. What was it? It was an eighth of an inch. Yeah from losing to the yeah. I don't see Hawks the other an eighth of an inch, by the way. For losing to the Seattle Seahawks and it Russell Wilson team, which somehow end up in every game. I've no idea how that's yeah, but every game I've no clue. You got a baseball Fresh Off The College Turbo get the shot back in the league, man. And I mean I was going to I just want to see feasible just break off a 50-yard. I swear. I want to see even though it looked like you put onto solid 50-pound fresh off the couch, you know what he's been doing, but it was it was fun to see it man Russell once he's gone. Good game, but you know that by weak man getting that by week is huge this time of year. So I really depend I think you know, whoever won that game obviously see I was banged up but it will make their path a lot easier and Baltimore's had a ton of rest over these last three weeks. I play the Thursday night game a couple weeks ago. So they had that contend a break and then, you know arrested their starters the last week and then they got a bye week. So well that bill problem will rest. It'll be scary. Well two and a half week recipe problem or you think that's good for them. No, I don't think it would be a problem. And now are you playing one of those, you know, like a Peyton Manning type offense where it's a lot of timing and routes and you know here and there everything is kind of that two-week break and kind of hurt your little bit but the type of ball control offense that they play that their physicals brand of football that got the more rest of those physical guys get that old line those running backs those receivers block down for those tight ends. The more rest of those guys is defense the passwords to covers guys, man. Is more hell is going to be on those offenses. So it's like a golf swing like you don't want to take two weeks off. Whenever you're in the middle of golfing averagely well because you'll lose it and whenever you're on those timing routes as a quarterback, if you take two weeks off you can lose it because somebody might get faster or slower by the way, which the US everything off and you're saying in that style of offense. It's more of a feel. Anyways, it's Lamar Jackson making decisions rest can actually help because it's going to make him think faster think cleaner and everybody else do their job better. Yeah, absolutely. Lee I mean the more it does a lot of damage from the park and he does he does a great job of identifying things pre-snap identifying pressures, but he does a good job of knowing kind of just the area he's going to throw in. Why does that stop watching? Why don't they spy him with a slot was that? Well, they Supply him with like a slot. I mean you can do that but then out now my lawyers have been a box and you got you know, Mark Ingram climbing at fullback and three Titans with their fists always. Where do you put him in the right game? Then once he drops back to pass now. These guys are the disadvantage. So it's a tough. It's in the Something New England used to do and they were really good. I'll put two or three tight ends on the field. You think they're gonna run the ball and you know, the light up and empty and put Julian Edelman at you know, the number three and now you got a big ass linebacker on him. He does have a chance to stop them. So on they kind of the offense has the upper hand with that because they can dictate your personnel but on when it's obvious passing situation, you can put a smaller guy on them just to track him down. Down but the what he's been doing to these DVDs, I don't think it helped much bro. Hey, he's been married. He's been shaking people like their white guys. He's everybody everybody's a white guy in the bar Jackson's haha is not fair man. He's one of those guys. You gotta take a shot at me. He's got to take a shot. I hope somebody's holding their ass, you know, whether it's inside out outside in but there's no breaking down and wrapping that guy out one-on-one. All right, well everything DB the podcast. I can't wait to listen to it more and more of it. I Wait to watch you break down more Clips with a red laser. That's going to be good red laser Radley. Yeah, the green laser. I couldn't see it the red laser though. I think you'll get your point across because what you were saying there was magic and I can't wait for you to take the same path that orlovsky took that other people took because this is something that isn't talked about enough and every time I listen to you speak, I really learned something. So I appreciate you appreciate that my love. I love her and Dan talked to Matt Farah about everybody except Carson Wentz. I'm so tired. I'm sick of it. I can't wait until he plays the Seahawks they possess. Okay. So you got the Seahawks whooping Carson Wentz is ass you think the Saints are beating Vikings. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta say it's been Vikings Tennessee beating New England. No got New England where ass you might at least at least 10 who makes you think that they're gonna win by ten frames said he is office experience been in league for a while Tanner. I'm even though I was a Colts fan and I grew up, you know being very had a heartbeat on the Dolphins Adolphus Bagram live in South, Florida. So Tannehill, he does just enough to get you - enough to let you go annoying than that and Houston Buffalo you got oh, so that's a tough one because I really like Josh Ali really step his game up this year. That defense is tough Frankie job. I got it. I'm gonna go Houston. I'm gonna go to home field on this. That's just strictly because you knew Frank Gore was going to hear you pick the other team, so you had to sell a little bit there for Buffalo. I appreciate you ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Thank you TV, Happy New Year. Bob thank you, bro. Same to you. All right. Cheers. He he was breaking down film and he had a laser pointer, but it was a green laser pointer and it was like mixing in with the field a little bit and I didn't know who he was talking about. So I felt like an idiot not going to I was on some vitamin so I you know, I was listening to what he was saying was like who the hell is he talking - I saw like this little specks are going around like all there's a laser pointer out there and I immediately just sent a DM. I was like, I don't know if it's just me, but we need a red laser pointer and just make that happen stat. He's very That he was the smartest dude on her team for years and years and years. It was awesome to watch he talked about first time starters. There's three of them this weekend with Josh Allen Tannehill and then went as far as first-time playoff starters. They are 14 and 30 in the playoffs. First time starters are I wonder why Pressure it's just because you know how you say like from college to NFL it gets faster. And then everyone in the NFL says regular season two playoffs gets faster and then playoffs the Super Bowl is just like this insane jump from speed because there's nothing I think that's probably it I guess is everything is faster the pressure though like your first game in the NFL. That's probably the most pressure you feel like am I going to get rich or not off of this like, you know, what like the Eagles have had what six straight playoff game basically and this season. I mean, it's hard it's hard to I've tried to explain this. We're like, I think people when they have to shoot a beer pong and there's one cup left in the entire party is watching you that feeling of pressure that you have there like how much more can that get? You know what I mean? Like even if you're kicking off a Super Bowl if I'm sitting at a party like not granted. I've kicked off a Super Bowl. So I put into perspective a beer pong shot or something like that. And that's I'm in very rare to be able to do that and say that but if you've never Done that if you're only a beer pong player or you're not a professional athlete those moments of pressure like how much bigger can it really get? You know what I mean? And I think that's kind of how I've always thought about pressure. That's somebody who's almost been may be too relaxed in situations where I should have been a little bit hyped up. I think the pressure I don't think is the big deal. I think it might be like, what's that? Well pressure Ava knows all about that. Well exactly pressure those mixed with adrenaline adrenaline like I think the adrenaline maybe might be yeah, that's a good-ass. That's when the experience comes in though because you've been in the situation before, you know, how to handle yourself, you know, how to regulate your body and be like, okay. I need to calm down a little bit because if I get too amped I'm gonna I'm gonna overthrow this ball or I'm gonna overthink this situation. Yeah. It's interesting. I don't know but then you see some young quarterbacks. It just go in there and just light it up. I mean Ben Roethlisberger. Did it Tom Brady did it. I mean, it's very it's situations are situational the misquote of all time and place, but it actually plays I'll be excited to see what and he'll because this is almost like a rebirth for tail. Now obtaining was on dolphins who's gonna play in the playoffs. I would say. Yeah, he has no shot. But mostly because Dolphins would never be in the playoffs shout-out Gumpy, but now it feels like he almost has this like rebirth like he's just completely new figure. I'm excited to see what he does up there love that town. He's playing with more confidence than he ever has in his career. So what he also he has a he has a monster in the backfield we could just go ahead and do it. Hi six-foot-six. It's 250 pound running back. That's faster than the other team. That's a quite quite a little safety like it but it's the Patriots dude. Yeah, but 10 hell has played a lot in Gillette to it's not like this is his first time up there. He's been there but whatever one of them no, no, he's four and seven. But I think yeah every time they've won has been in Miami. The my Miracle is one of those for that was the last time they played the Patriots was ten Hills my a miracle and that was you were in the billdozer. Are you going to the game this weekend? No, no way smart. The team for the team. Yeah good redeemed in out to be there. I like the Vikings. I like the Texans. I don't love the Texans. I like the Texans. I love the Saints even though we're friends with some Vikings. I just think they're running into a little bit of a destiny thing down there with the Minneapolis Miracle with the ghost pass interference with all that. I think the I think the Saints are going to make a run at least to the NFC Championship. I think they are just because Sean Payton the boys, they've been there done that and they're good special teams wise. I think I might get the Titans. Is there kicking it? They're kicking a might get them. I think they're less than 500 kicking those that tightens at that time. Yeah, there's like for that record ten kicks or something like that. That could be tough. So if suck-up hasn't figured it out. I don't know who's going to do it the conversation there though. All right, right. Now we're about to do something that we have yet to do and it's in the spirit of 2020 which our spirit our soul our Mantra of 2020 is going to be laugh more hate less Work Hard Cash. X this decade is going to be one that we're going to have the time of our lives. We're going to make some money and we're going to enjoy it and in doing so what we're going to do is we're going to give back at a very rapid rate Zito and I are currently two days into our accountability bodies where we're adding 500 dollars into the kitty whenever we act in a proper fit fashion. Now, does that mean that we're always going to eat healthy? No, does that mean we're always going to work out though. Yes Zito and I have to work out every single day. Day and every single day that both of us as accountability buddies do so. We had five hundred dollars into a kitty into a pot into a bank that will accrue and then whenever we finally break and we both suck for a day. We're going to give that away through the cash app now. How do we earn more money towards that kitty towards that bank to give away? I think it's very simple. How about this? We have a kid named Evan fox in this office. He's a lanky white kid from Michigan. He shoots no less than 200 basketballs a day whenever he's at the office NBA threes all the way to free throws in layups the kid, I think could potentially play in the NBA, especially with the new style. He's a hundred and forty-five pounds would get busted in half he would have To eat all the steroids in town, but I think his jumper is one that could fit in the NBA currently right now. We are going to ask foxy and Connor to go out to the NBA three and if foxy drains and NBA three on his first shot, we will add $1,000. So it's currently at $1,000 in the kitty because either one I worked out two days in a row 0 hit some up-downs yesterday and a bike. I hit some up downs and little fast feet the day before Zito rode a bike all the Way through Paris. Oh, yeah, right halfway through the flight. He was Lance Armstrong. I did some squats in some running. So there's a thousand dollars in the kitty right now. And if Evan Fox can walk right outside the studio here grab a basketball in shoot a three and make you three will add another thousand. Let's go foxy. Good luck up. Here we go. Evan foxy a lot of pressure on it thousand bucks isn't have this type of pressure normally when he's shooting ever. Normally. He just gets a chance to just hang out and shoot around will cut the camera to him here in a second January 1st. 2011 fox has a chance to gain a thousand dollars for the listeners. He has a chance to gain a thousand dollars for the people that are sitting at home now. We can't see him yet. Now we can okay, hold on Evan Connor. Will you please ask Evan how he's feeling right now? Mr. Fox, how are you doing? That was not delicious. I can legitimately say my hands are sweating right now. I played basketball my entire life and this is the Good shot I've ever had. I've never had a shot worth $1000. I've never had a shot with this many eyes on. So here we go. Knees weak arms are heavy. Hmm following us sweater already mom's spaghetti. He's nervous, but on the surface, he looks calm and ready to drop bombs. Take a lap dog outside with the homeless next to the methadone clinic that was $1,000 shot. That didn't even hit Rim in front of the millions and millions of people not only did you let down the people not only did you let down Fayetteville sports book. Which as their logo all over you just you let down the entire state of Michigan. How can Michigan go down any further the Lions think the Pistons think the Tigers think the red wig stink now they have to know that their chosen son from Michigan State who has a great beard in a great jump shot with a thousand dollars on the line throws up a massive disgusting despicable. Air ball for nothing. I can't even lie guys. I don't have a lot but I do have a jumper it's on display was very embarrassing. You know, what I didn't account for though. I didn't account for the adrenaline a lot of the line here. My adrenaline just shove that ball through the backboard. Yeah, we saw it. All right. Well, it's probably lose a thousand. Yeah Evan Fox with that. Maybe there should be a little give and take their little bit of pressure. We didn't add that on man that Tough wasn't it? That was the worst shot I've ever seen him shoot in the history of this office without question. He held it up to do. You see him? Does it look good until he held that thing up. Wow. Hey, I was tough that's bad radio. But there was a chance for another thousand dollars to go into the kitty to give away to the listeners to the followers is subscribers you name it and they're guy Evan Fox which Everybody by all accounts. Everybody says is their favorite guy. Just let them all down. You guys saw me hold that thing off. I actually thought that was going it looked like it was straight at it. But like I said that adrenaline starts kick in you throw that thing through the backboard. Oh my God, that was embarrassing. All right come tomorrow. I just can't the state of Michigan doesn't deserve. This is a terrible way to start 2020. Yeah, not for us. No, no, no. No, we're we're Connor was with you so he but for you to yeah, I mean two-thirds of the pub you lose your house and your That's a bad way to start 2020. Well that money was going to go to a good cause so it doesn't only affect us. That's why I'm disappointed in myself way to be a hero. 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Athletic greens let's get some notable news with Nick by the way, the United States Army Soldiers could no longer use Tick-Tock on government-owned phones following a decision to ban the app the move comes as mixed among Warriors that the video a poem by beijing-based bite dance could compromise National Security. Yay. So we have a conspiracy theorist in our office that is heavy heavy in the conspiracy theory he want on a 45 minute rant about how is ultimately going to be the end of the American society and American civilization as we know it because all of those videos are going back to a Chinese server, which means that they can document track and keep everybody's information their movements their faces their sounds and create artificial intelligent human beings to send videos back and set people up to say bad things or do bad things and put those humans in hostage like situations and he he actually believes that Tick Tock will be the death of the America that we know today that was two weeks ago. He went on this rant. So last night digs found an article. He sent it to the group text that said the US Army is no longer allowing soldiers to use the tick tock because of everything that he said, I have never seen somebody feel more Vindicated in their entire life than our conspiracy theorist friend. And by the way, maybe he's onto something but I don't fully get how they can track your movements from Tik toks and recreate you and also effects the effects of scary. They said defects are going to be the death of everybody because they get a deep fake of digs saying or doing something that could cost him his entire job entire Jeopardy put him in a compromising position Bing Bang Boom. He's out who's next Zito boy, they can put Seto and I don't know. I don't know if they'll be able to get the accurate die, but I think yes, I guess defects are a problem. And if they're saving all those videos to their server, I guess that's what everybody sees as the problem. Yeah. It's basically out of our government's hands if something were to go wrong. No, but News man, I will say though they put prints on top of stage once after he passed away. Yeah, think about that Michael Jackson as well and Tupac Tupac. Yeah to pop them on him though. It might have been now it probably was just with the weird lighting around it. So look like by the way those mammograms hologram never more important than all groups. Your mammograms, but those Holograms are very impressive. Yeah, they talk about how expensive they are. I don't fully understand all that works, but I would love to get a mammogram somebody right here. Oh, yeah. I wish me and Steve Jobs. You just do a show together me and old Steve just up here standing walk around. You hate him. Let me look into it. Yeah, I looked into his you hate him any other notable name. Let's talk some New Year's news Gronk obviously last night with the spike of the Lego Steve Harvey head what you think about that people are saying saying he's the worst. Crocker Harvey people are saying that Gronk is the worst Hussein people who we've done the segment here. People are saying known on the internet. I didn't see a lot of people loved it. I thought except for Steve Harvey's party tonight. Why'd you do that man? Do we play it? Yeah. Yeah. We should have courtesy of fox obvious courtesy of fuckers your Fox but the Gronk the Steve Harvey Lego Gronk Spike was one that I don't think Steve Harvey Fully prepared for Steve Harvey's trying to be as professional as possible hosting his 50th show of the day and he saw this Lego set that was put together. Probably five six hours it took to put together just get slaughtered right on the floor in front of him. And he was at that moment. He said I'm working with him. Steve was definitely taken that Lego thing of him like home and putting it in his house for sure. We had a guy that wanted to build me has a Lego guy. This guy sent me. This guy sent me like six seven DM's on Instagram. Okay, he's Like Pat I think it would be awesome to build you as a Lego and I didn't open it or read it. Nothing like that sends me I was very persistent. I finals very good though. He's very very persistent. I guess he's talented. So Nick finally Nick finally Nick finally starts getting messages from this guy. And this guy starts messaging Nick. He's like I want to build pad is a Lego. I want to build patties Lego. We're like, all right. Damn. It. Just answer the guy will do it and we respond I'm like, okay. What do you need from us guys a $10,000 like So hold on, excuse me, sir hold how's this work? So I couldn't even fathom how much this Lego of Steve Harvey's head. That's Gronk just spiked on her at least. It's probably $10,000 which I respect even more by the way out of Gronk but there's some people that are saying like, why did you do that? And those people are Steve Harvey and Steve Harvey's family-run. This things eat. No sound. I hated it. He didn't tell us to me either at the New Year's there was a toast they did. Yeah, Steve Harvey did not toast drunk after that. I believe I'm drunk now you think Rock was drunk? No, I would I would assume I mean Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen they were on here whenever of them every second of that. I think yeah, I think there's definitely intoxication involved. It's New Years Eve, you're on television or celebrating the monks like 700 billion people that my issue was Was they had twitch from Ellen Degeneres Show on the NBC one? It was Carson Daly digs this guy and Julianne Hough hosting from like a stand and then twitch was down with the people. They would throw it down to him and he would talk to him. Yeah, we're excited. We're excited. Like just one time. I want somebody to be like, why are you here? Why in a million years would you go to that? Is there any anybody in this room that would ever think about going know I bet I never in a million years would I go? That thing it's it seems like everything that is a nightmare in society. You can't move you can't piss you can't see anything. It's raining it's cold and you have to fake laugh at things at all times. I don't fully get it. Have you got there at 7:00 a.m. To so I get your spot like people are waiting there all day to be in those positions. That's a special group of people. That's the parade people to yeah break people who I don't fully understand them. So if I ever got that gig, I think that's my first that's probably my first and only question throughout the entire night. Hi. What's your name? Mmmmmm. Oh, we're talking about a bath. Where you from, Iowa. Are you drove over my own? Yeah. Why why why did you do that? Oh, it's a tradition. You know, well, there's a lot of bad traditions that got broke their if you if you could drop me in at 11:50 p.m. There for sure would love to be there for the ball drop in Times Square really get elbowed and stuff like that. I was there for 10 minutes. Yeah, but then how about getting out? Oh, no. I said drop me and I'm definitely getting plucked out you want spell approach? Listen here. You want choppered in choppered out 10 minutes. Well, that's just not reasonable. I get to the shop but it is insane to me because they're all Fox was there ABC was there NBC was there CNN was there they're all in the same spots and I think they're I don't know. It's very very interest. Also, it's not like there's like catering or anything. How are these people eating and drinking all day Clif bars? A lot of cliffs mystery funders that has to be can even see the show though. Our can are they just had lawyer action the ball? That's what I'm saying. I don't know and they act as if watching. The ball is the big thing. It's like okay. Okay, I can see it at all until you should see it. I get a close-up view of yeah, you guys got binoculars because they have these cameras is zooming. I don't know that it's all very interesting. They should all be eviscerated soon as that ball drops. They should all just be right down. It's not a bad idea. There's no way you're allowed to say we while fireworks are synonymous with New Year's Eve noise and air pollution are leading some cities to experiment with drone light shows instead of the traditional fireworks. 2020 have you seen the drum displays a pretty cool I saw him at the Olympics and I believe Celine Dion has them in her concert performance. Wow, Sam sent me Sam want to Celine Dion whenever she was here in Indianapolis. She has a video These drones come out as if they're like her Posse and they like start dancing and then they surrounded her with like wings at one point the way they're able to control these drones pretty pretty sweet. The Olympic drone thing was awesome to back in the day and I guess I'm back in a couple years ago, but I don't know if that Does I mean they these are really really cool but like it takes out the thrill of like a possibility of blown your arm off and I mean, it's just not exciting. Yeah, there were some guns being fired off last night around my house. I very interesting because I've seen live PD. I don't know where those bullets come down. Do they know? Yeah. Everybody says what comes up must comes down, but thought that you shoot somebody when you showed up in there Todd you shot somebody no, no shoot anybody. I have shot up in the air before. I will admit you've done that that's pop. Yeah, but last time we despot couple filled pops. No - pops. There's a lot of Pops last night around my house. Yeah a lot. Probably the same guy that's driving my garbage cans into my room. Ironically also last night. There was a fire at a German Zoo, which killed more than 30 animals that was spoiled by their New Year's Eve celebrations break put music on that's not news Charles, Illinois to oh, yeah, Illinois notable news, Illinois. Marijuana's legal hour-and-a-half Drive left. So a lot of the state's surrounding us now are legal North East and West we go around Indiana getting squeezed that we got game will go live table games also in Indiana starting today you have fireworks. I got a very health into Jason Garrett still hanging around the Dallas Cowboys because although his contract does expire in a couple weeks. He could be given a heads up early that he's been relieved of his duties and will not be retained or brought back but that is yet to happen. Why digs I said that I think that Jason Garrett is going into these meetings and he's crying and and we've known we know from experience is very hard to break up with somebody when they're crying. We all these are possible factors. I'm excited to see who lands where I think today is going to be a big day when it comes to hiring and deciding situations around the National Football League speaking of big day in the first hour Evan Fox had a chance to make a thousand dollars to go into a kitty which will be rewarded to listeners and followers and subscribers and Swiper uppers and everything like that after Zito and I Our accountability buddy program accountabilibuddy Zito and I for every day that we work out this 2020 and continued to dominate this fit lifestyle. We will put 500 dollars into a kitty until we completely crash. We will then give all the money away via cassia. Apparently, there's a thousand dollars in there because we are two days for two days foxy had a chance in the first hour to gain another thousand dollars into that Kitty by making one very easy NBA 3-point shot AJ. Shot that foxy shoots, no less than a hundred and fifty times a day. And in the first hour, he are bald it now here. We are 11:45 first show of the brand new year and we're given foxy another shot from the same place for $500 this time to be added to the kitty 500 bucks on the line one shot. What are you going to do with it foxy? I'll tell you what my brains been in pretzel since that Miss. I haven't even focus on this show at all. I know we had dairies Butler on and Don't even know what he said. I'm sure he's great. But I just appreciate so much that you're giving me another opportunity because if you didn't I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I mean if I miss this I still won't be able to sleep at night. So hopefully it goes better. All right, five hundred dollars on the line foxy and Connor will head out to the NBA three-point range. We will take a call while handling this. Let's go to Jared and Phoenix Jared. What's going on? Pal Patrick? How's it going? Not bad. How are you Bub? I'm doing well. Hey, what are the Thank you for your hospitality cheese Bowl. I felt like I was I the only one representing the brand there. Thanks for taking a picture with me. Oh, hey great meeting you in person. You look damn good know the better looking version of you quote Patrick Maxie. He has he had sleeveless for the brand one right to my left. He has his good beard though. He's much more attractive than I he was great meeting you Jared. I digress I think you're much better looking but whatever either way I was going to I wanted to shout and Foxy at a great. Relation with him, but then he went and bricked it. I'm glad you're giving him a was he going to break by the way. It wasn't even a brick bodily Jared. It was a full embarrassing are ball one that the entire Arena if he was playing basketball would have chanted immediately an airball airball every time foxy got the ball for the rest of that game and any future games that crowd would have chanted airball airball foxy would have had to Go to bed with the sound of that chant ringing in his ears were rest 10 years of his life. And that's why we're giving him another shot Jared. But some people are saying not me. Some people are saying we're shot of the Decades. All right, let's get to it foxy. Are you out there? Hi boys. Like I said, I appreciate you giving me another opportunity. It literally can't get much worse than the first one pressure makes diamonds diamonds last forever lock in. Okay. That was Macho Scotty small as I don't know how he has anything to do with awake foxy. You're not just so just lining up and shoot and fox who's trying to get a quick drill off there, which is a bunch of BS foxy Jared and Phoenix, Arizona who's the different time zone in a different climate than us. You said that your shot was the worst shot of the decade in the decade just began and I mean, I'm about a hundred percent sure. He was right actually. Yeah. Jared was a hundred percent right Jared knows what bad shots look like because he has to watch the Phoenix Suns play all day. I don't think you could even get a job with the Phoenix Suns after that last shot excited to see what you do with this one though for $500. All right. Let's go Evan Fox hands the microphone back to Boston Connor. He's got Air Force Ones on and a hoodie and he lines up. He's walking. He's walking out the front door short left. Brick. Last time he went are ball far this time short left Brick. We're sorry listeners. We're sorry followers. We're sorry subscribers Zito and I are trying to do our best to raise money to give away to you and Evan Fox is just trying to ruin it at All stops that's unbelievable. Have you ever seen a kid? Shoot that terribly know what happened. Look outside the door. He's locked out take a lap. We'll see him tomorrow. Let's get to the phones Tanner and Columbia what's going on pal? Hey fat you talk about kickers needing that clutch Gene, you know after he gets bodied in Yankee Stadium and then all and Bricks the other I think Fox he's just missing the clutch Gmail Saturn South Carolina from the top rope from the top rope. Well, that's it for our first show of the 2020 Year. Hope you enjoyed it. Darius Butler was incredible good DB conversation. I hope you enjoyed the notable news learned a little bit about life. We talked about coaches a little bit, huh? It was a lot of fun for us. I hope you enjoyed it as well. Send us some tweets. I were still giving out gifts for they got engaged hashtag. They got engaged favorite thing that happened in 2019 send them in still rewarding people with, you know credit to our store some free merch stuff along that nature and also, Be sure to check out Pat McAfee professional baseball player, which is now free on our YouTube youtube.com forward slash the pat back fee show it's a throwback Thursday on our YouTube go check it out. All right Ty spread play some independent music.

On today's show, Pat and the boys discuss what they did on New Years Eve, and try to get to the bottom of the people who go to New York and stand in Times Square to see the ball drop live, and discuss whether or not Steve Harvey and Gronk hate each other. Pat also dives into the coaching carousel and starts to have some second thoughts on whether or not Jason Garrett will actually be let go by the Cowboys, after he's survived multiple meetings with Jerry Jones. Joining the show is former 2nd round pick of the New England Patriots, Defensive Back with the Indianapolis Colts, Pat's former teammate, one of the smoothest athletes to ever walk the planet and host of the Everything DB Show, Darius Butler. He and Pat chat about some of the different intricacies of playing defensive back in the NFL, including how infuriating it is when commentator's misidentify who blew a coverage, why certain DB's enjoy wearing certain color gloves, which WR's gave him the most trouble during his 9 year career, and Darius and Pat go through each NFL playoff game this weekend and give their thoughts on who they like and why (22:26-44:13). Also included is some notable news with Nick that covers the US Government banning soldiers from using Tik Tok, fireworks being replaced by drones for celebrations, and a few other news items that are making waves throughout the world. Lastly, the saga of Foxy trying to add some money to the 2020 accountability bank by hitting an NBA 3 during the show, and suffice to say, it did not go as expected. Come and laugh with us. Cheers.